The Playback #21---Monday Night Football Classics---Green Bay Packers at Seattle Seahawks---2012

The Fail Mary game from 2012 is this week's classic MNF on The Playback, as the Green Bay Packers take on the Seattle Seahawks from Seattle. A stressful memory for Jay Dawg, a Packer Backer since 1993. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is a production of the Pulse podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In this edition of the Playback, Jay Dog and CJ
look back on the fail Mary. The Green Bay Packers
battled the Seattle Seahawks on September twenty fourth, twenty twelve,
from Century Linkfield in Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Welcome to the twenty first century for Monday Night football siege.
You saw this game back in twenty twelve the ESPN
era the Packers and the Seahawks the twelfth Man, Seeattle Washington,
the futuristic city that it is.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I yes, I saw this one live. I had a
buddy over. It was like Monday Night Theola Wings. This
is one of my most memorable Monday Night games. There
are some that stick out more than others. Yes, one
in particular I'll never forget is the Dallas Cowboys coming

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back and beating the Bills on Monday Night after Tony
Romo through five interceptions. It's like, I don't remember the
exact date, but I'll I'll look it up in a second.
But it was I remember because my dad and like
the announcer had said something around halftime, and I was
watching the game with my dad and someone was like
it was either the announcer or my dad was like,

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you cannot win after throwing five picks, That's impossible. And
then the Cowboys came back and did it. And I
was just as an Eagles fan so mad. I was
just so mad, and I despised Tony Romo for so long.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Here we go. Yeah, but this game, Sean Lynch, there
he is. You've got Golden Tate, You've got Zach Miller
the tight end. This is I think this is Russ's rookie,
Max Hunger. This is his rookie year. Yeah, this was
It was supposed to be Matty Flynn that was supposed
to have from Green Bay. Yeah. Yeah, and he saw
Matty Flynn play against the Patriots. Really he figured out

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that that def because of the member of the Patriots
had the best record I believe in either the NFL
or the AFC. No, it was the NFL and the
Super Bowl was going to go through there until the
Jets beat them in the second round of the playoffs. Yes, folks,
the New York Football Jets figured them out. In January
of twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Do you know what happened to Matt Flynn after Russ
beat him out for this job because I know that.
I remember that was the headline. Matt Flynn was like
the guy yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
And then Russ was draft out of Wisconsin. He was
impressed in camp. He just round was Russ? Was he
like a third or fifth rounder? I know he well,
I don't know that. He impressed the hell out of
Pete Carroll the head coach now the last Vegas Raiders
head coach. And a flag on the play already, where again,
this is the first twenty first century game on Monday

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Night Football for the MNF Classics on the playback. Granted
we're only in the second week.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Of eighteen of this funny we have a flag already.
I don't know if we've we're gonna lead into that.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I was gonna say, I don't know if they discussed that.
The reason why this game is classic is maybe because
it depends on the side of the aisle you're on.
Is it because it's because you're a Packers or Seahawks
or no or referees because this was the time back
in twenty twelve where there were replacement refs because the

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referee Union was not budging, and as a result, you're
going to get replacement refs now replacement refs probably aren't
as good as the real thing, and like replacement players
probably not as good as the real thing.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
And there's gonna be Clay Matthews over there's some iconic
calls that thes Arenna. There's gonna be these refs are
going to be immortalized in time like they'll be.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
They're certainly immortalized here on the playback. And this is
why we're picking this game. By the way, folks, we
will not be Okay, I actually got asked about this.
We're not actually gonna have the Brett Favre after his
Fama passed away game against the Oakland Raiders. We're not
gonna do that in the one year. We may do
it next year. Iconic money. I watched that game because

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it was on ABC pay. I remember that was one
of the first I ever watched Mike Tarrico and John
Gruden on the call. Here Aaron Rodgers when he was
a Green Bay Packer, not a Pittsburgh Steeler.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I know lots of controversy off the field in recent
years with him, but.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, these are not at the time. These are some
of his best yet. It is number twelve in the
year twenty twelve. By the way, Russ I looked it up.
Third rounder, third rounder out of sconsin. Yeah, and remember
he was playing baseball too. He was drafted by the
Texas Rangers. I remember watching a spring training game with him,
and this was after the Super Bowl. That's crazy. He
got a standing ovation. He struck out swinging, but it's

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like he hit a home runs. It was a great
ovation for him. He ended up playing for the Yankees
there after. He struck out swinging and guess what, he
got a standing ovation. He's a likable guy. Yeah, that's
what I like about Russ Wilson. He's a likable guy.
And I love Aaron Rodgers just sliding in for the
first down at the fifty yard line there, and this
is what his absolute prime right here. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers

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in his absolute positive prime, where the Packers were going
to win Super Bowl after super Bowl after Super Bowl,
or at least be in the hunt. Right in comes
the Seattle Seahawks to show them a thing or two.
Because the Seahawks essentially became a thorn in the Packers
side and vice versa. There have been times where the
Seahawks have been looked upon as a credible threat in

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the NFC, in the Packers, they've each gotten in each
other's way.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
The rivalry and the talent that went on during this
time period from probably like two thousand, from twelve to
like twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Twenty twenty, even twenty ten.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, I mean you could say all the way to
twenty twenty, but from twenty twelve to twenty, like sixteen
twenty twenty ish, the Packers, the Niners, and the Seahawks
all kind of bounced around. The Niners would fall off
eventually here and there they came back towards twenty twenty, and.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Like Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jremichael, I'm I'm crying. Okay,
this is you know, not Jef Saturday. Jeff Saturday. Saturday
on a Was this the year.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
That was Jeff Saturday? The same center for who's the
center for the Colts? Not Jeff Saturday.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Right later on he would be was it was it Saturday?
He would be.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Later But didn't he play with Peyton? Yes, so he's
still like he played with Peyton in within India. Yeah, yeah, okay,
I couldn't remember if that was the same center. I
thought it was But then I was like, wasn't there
a different center that Green Bay had during like Farv's era, Yes,
who was who was that? Do you know off the
top of your Frankie bag of donuts winners? Let me,

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I don't know. I'm just trying to think because I
know that they've had some iconic centers here in Green Bay.
But I know obviously that Saturday was huge.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And calm him down, your last name is at Largents.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Take the jersey off this Seahawks defense. That was the
other thing is this was kind of the start of
the legion of boom.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Like it was absolutely.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
It wasn't even it wasn't even just Russell Wilson on
the offense. Like I mean, obviously he had talent around him,
but he kind of kickstarted that offense and like got
them to that that championship.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
He was the guy that could throw the ball and
run it.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, I mean because even before him, like the last
good quarterback they had was what Trent Dilfer, And when
he played, it wasn't like he was.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Or yeah, Maddie Hasselback got to his ruld body unraveled
against the Steelers in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
But Hassleback even then wasn't like an outstanding.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Super Bowl he was. He was the greatest. He was
like he was the greatest Seahawks quarterback until Russell Wilson.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
But they had like Seawan Alexander that was like he was, Yeah,
he was like the big focal point of that offense.
Was like Shawn Alexander during his time in Seattle was incredible.
That was back with the what Mike Holgrim days. Michael
also coach. He left green Bay to be wanted all
the power and he got it. It's crazy actually, now

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that we're sitting here, like I hadn't never thought about it,
but the connections between both teams, between Seattle and green.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Bay are very obvious and like abundant.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
It seems like there's like a lot of like underlying
connections that keep popping up and.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Stuff like that. The twelve there it is, Yeah, the
twelve man. Yep, and you see women with the twelfth man, Yeah,
number twelve.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
The this stadium is definitely on my bucket list.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I feel like he's going to Seattle on your bucket list. Well, yeah,
Seattle's Mobile Park.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Seattle is one of my honestly, like one of the
cities I've always wanted. I've always been attracted to I
love like rainy days and stuff like that. My wife
is the same way. In Seattle obviously notorious for rain.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
And it's just funny because their baseball facility has a
retractable roof, right when don't you think that their football
does not? So they leave the King Dome and they
go into at the time it was Seahawks Stadium in
two thousand and two, when they moved in with the
logo change, and.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Then I don't I don't understand why they made the
roof retractable. I mean, I guess I like it, but
at the same time, like that was no retractable roof
for no, not for the Seahawks but for the Mariners. Yes,
but like I don't know why they just wouldn't make
it another dome because it's like you're playing where it
rains all the time, and in a sport like baseball
where the game can literally be delayed to the rain.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Why would you even leave an opportunity When they signed
at the time Safeco Field breaking ground, they had said
this will not be a dome.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay, is it? Because the King Dome was.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
The Kingdome was falling apart two, there were tiles falling
This was ninety four, during the before the baseball strike.
There were tiles literally falling down. Wow, So that became
an issue.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
See like, I don't I don't mind not having a
roof here because it's football. I like when I think
of football, I mean, I understand you want the game.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
You're all about.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
The like just players playing and letting it be like
the talent essentially.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I like football.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I like the different things like weather making a difference
because as a football player growing up, like I love
playing in the snow, in the mud, in the dirt.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
There are two places I care about the snow in
the NFL. Two places can you guess them? Buffalo for all?
What's the first one? Oh, I don't know, Oh green Bay,
Green Bay. And what's the second one? You just said Buffalo?
Actually three say Cleveland too, But that's Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
They got a good snow game last years, Winston doing
the Snow Angels against the hated Pittsburgh Steelers when him
and Jerry Judy went on the hottest run of any
quarterback duo like quarterback wide receiver duo ever apparently yeah,
I mean they were they were on fire.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
For a little bit there.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Jerry Judy should have gone to New York to to
try and pair up with Jamie or James.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Reason is not gonna be the starter. No, I know,
I'm not he needs to stick with James. I mean
that was the best. He's gonna that's the best. He's
a j.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Hawk, a fixture now on on the old Pat McAfee show. No,
don't you do that?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
What did you know? Don't you what what we're doing
right here? Don't you do that?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I love h They got Tone diggs on on the
Pat McAfee show, one of the one of the how.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Much you want to bet? That was not a false start?

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I don't know, it's it's I I'm not sure. I'm sorry.
I went quiet there because I wanted to hear John Gruden.
We have Cruden and Mike Trico in the booth here,
but I wanted to hear their take on it.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
We're definitely gonna see a lot of bad calls here.
This is gonna be one of the most interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
This is, folks. We replaced a seminal Brettfaarv moment for this.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, but this is okay. I have a moment in
NFL history. Not that not that that wasn't either.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
And I think that for me it got my blood
pressure raised about five hundred points. Yeah, I know, I
was thinking I was a twenty nine year old back
in twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
As we were watching like the intro to this, I
was sitting there thinking, like I forgot that this is
and Jada upset.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's gonna lose it beast mode. We'll have to make
it up. We'll have to watch like, oh, we'll do
it in the future. We'll have to watch like an
Eagles losing game or something. Oh stop that, stop that,
stop that.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
But no, we'll have to we'll do the far in
the future.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
That game. Definitely we'll get done. Oh absolutely, like that
one is for sure. Where are we going?

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Where are we going? When we're going to Seattle? We're
not going to Seattle.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I mean, if someone wants to pay for me to
go to Seattle, guy, is.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
That a passengers? Not? But guess what, guess why guess what?
Guess what they're gonna do? Was that Sidney Rice? Is
that who that is? I think it is they had
some talent. I love these uniforms. This is yeah, it
wasn't a pass interfere Okay, the ball bounced.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, but he didn't give him past interference. I was
holding on twenty one Charles Woodson, he is still playing
for the pack back then.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Got his ring.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Oh and that's a I don't know, that's a pretty
it's ticky tag. Yeah, that is ticky tack tick by
the way, Yeah, Gruden and Tarico in the booth, how
do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Lets let's not talk so much about Gruden with I
understand what's going on. I get that. But Turrico, do
you where do you rank him? He's gonna be calling
the Super Bowl this year? You know that, right? I
didn't know that for NBC. He had an excity. He's
the league announcer for NBC. I didn't realize it was
on NBC this year. I hadn't sixty. Where the Packers
are going to, Where the Packers are going to play.

(13:57):
The Packers are going to play the charge Juris. So
put some money on that, folks, Packers, Chargers. That's your
Super Bowl sixty. Don't even you don't even need to
need to watch the rest of the football season. No,
don't even watch it. Just get ready for a mid
February where the Green Bay Packers are taking on the
Los Angeles Chigers. It's Harbaugh versus versus Maddie Lafleur. Yeah, yeah,

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who's been not on the hot seat? By the way,
you know who's on the hot seat in the NFL.
There are two coaches on the hot seat in the NFL.
We're only two weeks into the season. Two coaches on
the hot seat. Can you name them?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I I don't know who you thinking?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Not thinking? Who I think is going to be the
worst team in the NFL in Mike McDaniel and the
Miami Dolphins. Definitely on the hot seat. He definitely on
the hot seat. Remember two years ago he was like
the camp miss guru.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Who was when they put seventy points up on Denver.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, they've never been the same since. I know Russ
Wilson and the Denver Broncos. By the way, I know
that was five years ago. I still can't believe.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I mean, I guess it worked out for Sean Payton
getting bow Nicks, but I just still can't believe, like
how that all went down with Russ and Peyton. But
who's the other coach you got on the hot seat.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Oh, it's not my hot seats. The hot seat. So
you've got right, you've got you've got McDaniel, McDaniel, Mike McDaniel, right,
and one more on the hot seat. Although I don't
think he's on the hot seat, Bryan Dabel, I tell
you why. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Well, if if, if the future looks promising here, then
I think that he could stick around, like like, it
depends on how he approaches the Jackson Dart situation.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
No, that's why. That's why he's gonna stay, because he's
gonna want he wants to be part of the rebuild
with Jackson dark That's why they drafted him so high
in the first round because he wasn't going to be
a first round pick. Well, he was going to be
a second or third round pick. That's why the Giants
signed him. They wanted to get him for the Saints
did That's why.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
The Giants signed Like Dabel.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Is people they want to be part of the rebuild.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, what he did with Josh Allen is like he
he was the guy who took Josh Allen from being like, uh,
what punt on the one yard line? Great special teams
worked there by Seattle. But he was the one who
took Josh Allen and basically helped him evolve from that
bad quarterback. He wasn't the first, you know, two years

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or so to what Josh Allen is now aka MVP status.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
So he's the reigning MVP in the right.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
And obviously he wasn't there to help coach him last year,
but he kind of helped Josh get to where he
is now and they're the I think the hopes are
that he could do that with Jackson Dart.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So like if the Giants have the faith to do it,
it depends on how the future does the family. Does
the Merra family have the patience and I know I
think they do this time, it will it.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
It just has to look promising that if they if
they if they lose like seven games in the first
eight weeks, then if they're two and six fifteen on
the season, yeah no, no, but I don't think they
will be I think.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
The I think the Giants are actually going to be sneaky.
I think they're good breakup. I think that going to
be sneaky.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well yeah, it The problem is their schedule is easy,
but the problem is is their division is.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Their division is a tough division. You've got Philadelphia, the reigning,
defending and disputed Super Bowl champs, h Washington, Washington who
were in the NFC Championship game against said Eagles.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
The Cowboy if the Cowboys, if the Cowboys click, then
they can be good.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
But if But that's the other thing.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
They also had like a lot of injuries last year,
so you know, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
It, and they've got a new head coach, a lot
of a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Of media outlets and and people who cover the the
league always say that there's one team that bounces back
or surprises you and makes a deep run, and it's
like the Cowboys could definitely be that team.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
This year.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
They went what four what they have like four wins
last year five wins.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Let me look it up real quick. Mm hmm. The
Packers they got out of that dangers.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
The Cowboys had seven wins. That's more than I thought.
But all they'd have to do to you know, kind
of getting the mix is go from seven wins to
like eleven, and Washington is gonna I think underperform where where.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Like don't tell the NFL that they want Washington to
be No, I think that I do well they don't
want you know that they don't want the Jade and Daniels.
They don't want the Jade and Daniels sophomore slump.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, it's not that I think there's gonna be a
sophomore slump. I think it's just that they have the
toughest schedule in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
They have a tough schedule and they're trying to do
better than an NFC Championship appearance, which nobody saw coming, right,
that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And their talent didn't really get like that much better.
Like they went out and got Debo. I'm not a
huge fan of Debo. I think that he's well, that
opens up mclauren. So because, as you know, the mclaura
was the extension, right, I knew he was gonna do.
I did too, Like I knew that they were gonna
cave and signed.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
It was the Cowboys. They always cave.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
That looked like an Achilles problem right there. But no, yeah,
that was a little or are you foreshadowing foreshadowing though?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
H what eleven years later? Yeah? You know, that honestly
looked worse than ohahas and conspiracy theories at the time.
So he's okay, but the and Bulok who he was
wearing at the time. They just so this was before No,
this was before he signed his big deal with Adidas.
Look what he was wearing was Nike. He learned, he

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was learning at the time. That's right, there's Mike McCarthy.
I love how the Cowboys thought he was just gonna
be like, no, he'll resign with USA. No, I think
I'm gonna walk And he did. He walked. You're a walked.
You're a Packers I'm a Packer backer, So you're a
Packers fan.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Packerbacker. It's nineteen ninety three. Who is your biggest rival?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Who do you think the biggest rude?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I mean, I feel like it's the Bears, right, it's
the ship Bears. But is that Are they really your
biggest rival?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
When was the last time the Bears really? Like the
when I was growing up, the giants in the Eagles
games were way more competitive than they are.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
They were both competitive at the time.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Right, the Bears haven't been competitive with the Packers in.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
A very last year? Have them last year? Yeah? I
guess it's the start of something new. But there's a
flag on the play.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I didn't know if like you viewed like the Lions,
maybe because they've been really good recently.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Because I know the Lions are going to come back
down to earth at some point. And the Vikings, the
vikingss not a rivalry. One of the Minnesota Vikings ever
won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
The only time it was a rivalry was when Brett
Favre was quarterback for the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
And even for that brief two years.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, like you know what I mean, like because that
was the only time the Vikings have ever been like
really really significant. I mean, well, yeah, that's before my time.
I guess the nineties, I don't think so well. I
guess late nineties when they had Randy Moss. But even
even then, they weren't really like it was just Randy
Moss and Dante Culpepper, Chris Carter and then John Randall.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
John Randall was a beast man, yeah, but not a
nineyl mc daniel defensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Not enough to do anything though they didn't. They didn't
they didn't win anything. They got well you know what
I mean, Like.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Again, this was okay, you're talking, this is the ninety
eight season. We're gonna We're gonna go back in time.
Boys and girls, nineteen ninety eight Minnesota Vikings. We're the
best team by far in the NFL. Okay, fifteen and one,
fifteen and one. Randall Cunningham leaves the forty nine Ers

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for the Not that he leaves the Eagles for the Vikings. Okay,
he becomes this awesome quarterback to get the ball to
Randy Moss and Chris Carter and Jake Reid.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
See, I see you're talking pre Dante culpeper eras Okay,
forget culpeper Okay, yeah, you're talking the.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
NFC Championship game against the Atlanta Falcons, the fourteen win
Atlanta Falcons. Was this Mike Vick No, this was Chris
Carter and the dirty Bird, this Jamal Anderson and they
beat I don't think he was Yeah, here we go.
This is where were.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Jade Dog's upset Green Bays getting targeted with calls in
this game?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
He's all over him, He's mugging, He's got his wallet
in his hands.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
He's mugging this guy wallet. Anyway, they get to that
NFC Championship they host, okay, where the decibel levels were
illegally legally, illegally uh upped? Oh really?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
What they like pumped in crowd noise.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
No, it was the decibel level for noise, and everything
was illegal in terms of the sound system, in terms
of yeah, they got they got that could that was close.
I was close to helmet to helmet. So anyway, they
get there and the field goal kicker I think it was,

(22:56):
was it Morton Anderson? He misses a field goal? Yes,
And it ends up being the Denver Broadcos taking on
the Atlanta Falcons, and the Falcons get routed in the
Big Game, Super Bowl thirty three, and Randall Cunningham becomes expendable,

(23:17):
becomes he becomes ineffective, so it ends up being Jeff
George to be the quarterback. In nineteen ninety nine, they
get the Vikings to the playoffs and Rogers takes the sack.
Uh So Jeff George becomes the quarterback. He's got an arm,
he's got a rocket for an arm. He's got a

(23:38):
million dollar arm, but a ten cent head. The Vikings
lose to the Rams in the second round of the playoffs. Again,
no one saw that coming. No one saw the Falcons
of the Rams going to the Super Bowl back to back,
and then Dante Culpepper and company go to the NFC
title game, but get routed by the New York Football
Giants and they would lose to the Ravens right that year,

(23:59):
and they got routed by the Ravens. So the Vikings
pretty much well, so Willpepper was able to throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
What's your take on the far Viking era, Like in
that whole Sean Payton situation, Like, do you think if
the far if farv in the Vikings had do you
think if there wasn't targeting and they weren't like trying
to injure far the Vikings could have won.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Colts Vikings in the Super Bowl Manning versus farv.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Oh, imagine that match up. I mean we got we
got Breeze and far or Breeze and Manning, but that
was you know, that's still two legends. Drew Brees is
a legend, but I feel like Farv and Manning are
more of.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Like that's the nineties, that's the nineties right there.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
They're more like the entire that encapsulates the entire nineteen nineties.
I don't want to say like Breeze isn't a gunslinger
because he was, what's the number two all time for
passing yards?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
You know, like he can do it. Well, we were
just getting to know the legend of Drew Brees, right.
And also remember New Orleans was still recovering from the
Hurricane Katrina, which hard to believe. We just had it,
what twenty years ago? No? No, no, what, No August it was.
We're in September now, but no, it was uh man, Yeah,
that whole situation was crazy too. By the way, that

(25:17):
one of my favorite end zones in the history of
the Super Bowl was that rusted gold end zone for
the Saints in Miami. Oh, it looks so good. It
looked so good. And remember the Colts were wearing the
blue uniforms and I don't think they've ever won a
Super Bowl wearing blue.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Now because they won in white against Chicago.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Correct in Miami, by the way. So it was one
of those I don't know what it is. Here's the thing, right,
this is what's It can go either way like return engagements.
The Patriots their first two Super Bowl appearances were in
New Orleans against the Bears and the Packers, and it
didn't end well either way. Then against the Rams again

(25:57):
the round I should say, they go back right, Okay,
So that's the House of Horrors. Not that time. Right
then the Patriots and the Giants was in Arizona, so
they faced the Seahawks in Arizona Super Bowl forty nine.
So I guess I said, it can go the way

(26:19):
these these return engagements, they can go either way coming back,
Like the Colts probably thought that, you know, going to
going back to Miami would be like it was back
in two thousand and seven. So that's all was the Rockies,
the Rockies, it was. He didn't He ends up playing
for the Rangers though, So I mean he what an athlete?

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yes, like do you I mean, I don't want to,
like I feel like Russ's kind of corny is like
his thing, Like a lot of people say he's kind
of like cheesy with like all his quips that he does,
like the Broncos country that's rad or like you don't
think it's genuine, right, like some people think it's just
like a little like yeah, fake or like played up.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
He's the greatest, by the way, he is the greatest
player in Seattle Seahawks history. Russell Carrington Wilson, do you
think he's like greatest player, Yeah, the greatest. He's surpassed
Steve Largent.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
You think he's better than you think Steve Largent's better
than Shawn Alexander.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Again, Shawn Alexander ran out of gas. He ran out
of gas, whereas Russ was able to. I mean, Russ
got a Super Bowl like one, we got a Super
Bowl too. He became the most consistent quarterback in Seattle
Seahawks history. And one of the franchises that's not been
consistent with their quarterback play has been the Seattle Seahawks.
How many rings does the franchise have? Is it just

(27:44):
the one one? Wow? I didn't even realize the appearances
one ring.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's still pretty impressive, though appearance appearances have to.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
The Jacksonville Jaguars have yet to get to a Super Bowl. Yeah.
The Carolina Panthers have been to two Super Bowls and they.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
They got shall lacked by Peyton Manning.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And it wasn't Peyton no, I mean, it was Von Miller,
It was Von Miller, it was Andre Ware, it was
the the Denver Broncos defense. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Manning was actually like a shell of of him shelf that.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
He managed the game not to lose, right, Yeah, that's
what it was. That was like, remember at the time,
the defending MVP was Cam Newton and he that was
the fifteen and one season. It was yeah, yeah, yeah, yep,
third and seven now for the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
First quarter almost over already. Yeah, it's been kind of
a defensive battle. It's i mean wireless right now.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Nothing, nothing.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
This has to be one of your favorite Packers defenses ever.
I mean it's in my lifetime. This has to be
one of the best Packers defenses that they had. That
aj Hawk, that Malay Matthews.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
This dude wasn't. This dude was an animal. He almost
riched like Woodson.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
He pretty much retired early because of the I mean,
obviously he played a long career, but it felt like
Clay Matthews got kind of like forced out of the
league when all those like quarterback protection penalties were coming
in because he was getting called for he.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Got injured, he got injured. He just wasn't the same. No,
I know that he didn't.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
He end up going to l A like in his
final year or something like that. L though he went
to the Rams. Yeah he came home. Yeah, because I
was gonna say, he's like he's from Cali.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
He's a USC boy.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, yeah, but he it just felt like I know
he got hurt, but it felt like he was being
targeted with those penalties, like the league was kind of
using him as like a like scapegoat or an example
to be like don't do what no.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
If anything, if anything, they if you if you remember
Tom Brady's injury in two thousand and eight, wasn't it
wasn't a defensive tackle. I believe it was this either
I think it was a cornerback or a safety. So
that's what really was, which is funny because I know
that that's safety. Safety. You can't even glance at the
quarterback now, Yeah, that's what was geared towards more. No,

(30:05):
I know, I just I feel like, forget the beef
three hundred pound guys. The BFI three hundred pound guys
are the beef three hundred pound guys for a reason.
He just felt like they were. He was getting called
with it. How's that not a penalty?

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, well that's what growed in his time.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
That not a penalty. You gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
The the refs are are not the best here. It's
it's almost as if they're replaceable. This is like the
this is like the B list b Yeah, and that's No,
this is the this.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Is the g list is in g Let's get the
real guys back. And you know what, I'm not for
the referee. I'm for the technology replacing the referees. And
that's what's going to happen eventually.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, like the robo refs. Yes, this is this is
like peak football right here.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
This is to me to you, this is when the
purists would like to have to have, like to have
a well, this.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Is when there's like a good amount of passing the
Nicky Sherman good running backs still in the league, like,
and we still have talent in the league today.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'm just saying every if the emphasis on running backs
wasn't uh wasn't phased out like it is now.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Right, and and Saquon did a good job. Saquon and
Derrick Henry you know, are still doing a good.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Job at troubles the exceptions to the right. They're trying
to recreate the running back. Do you think or uh, genteeble,
you think gent is going to be the beasts? Give
me the new He's give me the new beast mode.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I think his future looks great, Like I'm really excited
about what he can do. I I know he had
like some shaky moments in preseason or whatever, but it's I.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Mean, other than that, why a regular season.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I know, I'm saying, like his future other than those
shaky moments in preseason, Like, I think his future overall
looks great.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Like I think he'll have a great career. I'm not.
I don't know about running backs anymore. I really don't. Well,
I'm an Eagles fan.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I got on you know, the team I follow, and
I think that, like after after last year, I'm I'm
all in on running backs again. I think it's you know,
I'm all for the run game. I'm like, bring the
triple option Navy running playbook to the NFL.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
It's not sexy, yeah, but it doesn't have to be
the touch bush, isn't it gets touched down. At some
point it's gonna be out lawed because they almost did.
And by the way, the Packers were revolutionary and saying,
let's get rid of these rugby scrums.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, I know the Packers are the ones. They're openly admitted.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
They don't like it. And at some point it's gonna
happen where there's no more rugby scrum seeds. You're gonna
have to You're gonna have to run the ball, you
have to throw the ball. You're gonna have to go
for it on fourth like a man. I mean, say
what you will.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
We're still champs until someone beats us, until someone takes
the trophy away.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I think that I understand. The next We're not doing
this one. By the way, is this real Cutler? Yeah,
fell or Jay Cutler?

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Jay Cutler getting ready to smoke a cigarette on the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Jay Cutler. Yeah, he couldn't do that. Yeah in the lockero,
Yeah that he couldn't do that on the on the sidelines.
Cutler's diabetic too. How does that work? How does that work?
That dude's crazy. You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Him and Bortles are like top two cigarette smoking quarterbacks
of the twenty first century. Great, they hold that that category.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Much an old wi omeal cream pies. While you're at
it till you know cheez. Have you ever watched the league?
The like uh Fantasy Football? No?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Like comedy show? Jay Cutler makes a cameo on there.
They They have a lot of NFL players make like appearances.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Usually at the beginning when they.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Do their draft. They'll like have a player show up
to their draft or something. But Jay Cutler because the
show takes place in like Chicago, and it was like
during the timeframe when Cutler was quarterbacks. Like this, there's
like this whole episode where, uh, one of the main characters,

(34:17):
his child goes to daycare with Jay Cutler's child and
they basically try to There's a whole storyline. I don't
want to go too much into it, but please don't.
It's Cutler makes an appearance. It's a very good episode.
You should check it out. We're into the second quarter, Jay, doctor.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
We are which started that is still scoreless in Seattle,
not sleepless scoreless in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
This uh again just looking at this talent. We're scoreless
because the Packers defense is incredible, and of course we
have the Legion of Boom on the Seattle.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Starting to emerge as a Super Bowl winning defense. And
do you remember the three members of the Legion of Boom.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, it's We've got Richard Sherman, Cam Chancellor two and
the third one, which Earl Thomas. I don't know why
I almost forgot him. I knew it was like the
other safety, but I couldn't think of his name for
a second.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
But the the talent on both sides of the ball. Again,
this is why to me, this is this just my opinion.
It feels like this was like the peak time for football.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
It is just your opinion, I know, obviously coming from
a guy that was born.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
What would be your peak time watching football or like football?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
To you? What would you know? There's no? You don't
think there's no. Look at the ratings.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I mean, well, no I'm not. I'm not saying it's
down right now.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Look at the ratings. I know there's no. They've not.
They have yet to peak. They thought they plateaued in
the twenty tens, and they didn't. This thing's bigger than
bigger than it's ever been. Who's returning for the pack
Who is that great punt?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
And of course the Packers muffed the return? Who is
this eighteen?

Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's Randall Cobb?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Oh is that cob?

Speaker 1 (36:06):
That's right? I forgot corn not on the cob there.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Do you have a favorite packer of all time?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Do I have one of all time?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Geez? You mean while I've heard during my tenure from
nineteen ninety three on, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Oh boy, I mean you could pick anyone from all time,
like if you wanted, like, you could say.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Like all time would be Bart Starr, right like or
Vince Lombardi. Well, yeah, don't does it be a player
or a coach?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I mean you could say Vince Lombardi too.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But again that wasn't in my lifetime, right what about Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
What about your lifetime? I hope you're not gonna say,
like Eddie Lacy? No, No, is that Randall Cobb out
of the backfield?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yep? Oh nice?

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Randall Cobb walked so Debo could run as like the
first like gadget player.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Let me think, oh boy, not far it was. It's
not now. I was gonna say, do you was Rogers
not Rogers? Who who did you like? More? Rogers? Are
far Rogers? Because again he follow eighty three? Or I
was gonna be the guy that replaced far so I
got I got it halfway right? Yeah, I got it
half I was halfway right because a guy from nineteen

(37:19):
eighty three did that. So favorite of all time? It
could be either Antonio Freeman.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I was a big One of the first jerseys I
ever owned was an Antonio Freeman jersey. My parents got
it on like sale at Greg Jennings. As you just
saw one of Donald Driver. I was about to say,
you say you're seeing wide receivers. I was about to
say the wide receivers, Like if you you can't bring
up Greg Jennings without bringing up Donald Driver. Like I
think of those two like at the same time, like

(37:47):
they were together, Dy Nelson, Jordy Nelson. I always think
of Randall Cobb, like those two elays together. Antonio Freeman
was kind of in the Greg Jennings.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Uh, Juggie White is up there, Donald Driver, Reggie White,
I forgot played for the Minister of Defense. He is
his bust? Is it? Do they do that in the NFL?
Like does he have is it Eagles or is it packed?
They don't go a bus. It's the bust of the
person's face. It's not But they don't have what they
wore a hat or anything, right, It doesn't have like
a no, not like it is in baseball, Like Andre

(38:18):
Dawson wants his Montreal Expos hat removed so he can
put a Chicago Cubs hat on there. Really yes, because
the original owners of the Expos, Brooke promises so yeah. So,
by the way, do you know how Reggie White came
to Green Bay? No, Okay, he was going to resign

(38:39):
with the Eagles, and then another team came in and
then so he's known as the Minister of Defense, right, yeah,
and religious right. So Mike Holngren, who was the head
coach of the Green Bay Packers, said, Reggie, this is
God come to green Bay. And that's how he was
able to go to Green Bay. That's a great story. Yeah,

(39:02):
what a pitch. That's great. Ye, So you had. Do
you know how many Mikes the Packers have had his
head coaches in my lifetime? I'm assuming a lot. Mike Holmgren,
Mike Sherman, Mike McCarthy. It's three already, Yes, three mics.
They're miked up. That's three mics right there. That's crazy, Yeah,

(39:23):
because it goes well, take another set, no, whoa, Okay,
well there's a flag on.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
If McDaniels gets fired and then you know, something happens
to Lafleur, you guys could end up with a fourth
Mike miked up.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, you could be miked up, yeah, Mike mc Yeah, Mike, Mike,
what try that again? He's never going to be the
coach of the Green Bay Packers, you don't think so? No, No,
let's see, Okay, Mike Holme Grim when I started, right, Yeah,
he left for Seattle. Ray Rhodes was the head coach

(39:58):
for one year. He's a former Eagles head coach. Mike
Sherman and then Mike McCarthy and now yeah, so that's
still m still Yeah, it's still m but it's not
not Mike anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
So did you decide between those four names you gave
me on who your favorite packer is?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Is it one of those four? Is it Reggie White?
How do you feel about?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Like, uh, what's I'm I don't wanna, I don't want
to butcher it.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
But what is his name? KGB?

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Is it Kamire Gabajabia Milla?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah? Oh he's so fun. Him and Vonnie Holliday are
forgotten packers legends.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Oh I think I think about KGB all the time.
That guy was goaded. That was one of like when
I when I was a kid, I used to play
NFL Street and he was one of the playoff characters
and he was he was so good.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Me and my friend used to you ever sing taking
it to the streets whenever you would play NFL Street.
Get him with the wheels, got him gives him a
little shimmy. Here's a flat Yeah, that's probably going back.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
And then who was this was it? What was this
guy's name? Is it Rogie Davis, bj Davis or something?
What was the or was it bj Raji? You guys like,
who's this nose guard number ninety that keeps popping up
by the way.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Hold on, let's see what the flag is. No, it's
it is coming back, Yep, it is bj Raj.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, that's another like packer legend that I think about
Gilbert Brown.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
But Gilbert Brown had big max stacks of big backs
in his locker. He ate himself out of the league. Yeah,
it sounds like Eddie Lacy. Eddie Lacy was having weight
issues the minute he got to the NFL. That's what
I'm saying. No, they Brown always had weight issues. Cortez
Kennedy had weight issues. They called Eddie Racy Seahawks Cortez Kennedy.
They called Eddie Lacy cheeseburger Eddie like he literally like

(41:57):
she's burger and paradise. Leather and Lacey. Do you like
that song, by the way, Leather and Lace by Stevie
Nicks and Don Henley.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's not not my favorite Steve song.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
But it's your favorite Stevie Nick song.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
I mean it's got to be like one wing Dove right.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Oh, Edge of seventeen. Yeah, that's what it is. Yes,
white winged. You're giving these rappers all kinds of opportunities
to sample, so don't don't don't do that. No, remember
who sampled that? Who sampled that that song? No, it
was Booty Delicious by Destiny's Child.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
That's crazy that you know the sample for Booty Delicious
from Destiny's Child?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well, it was from it was from Edge of seventeen.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
It's just crazy that you knew that off the top
of your head.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Was Stevie Nick's nickname? Uh, Wichie woman, I don't know
Stevie New York Knicks got it. Yes, Hakeem New York Knicks. Yep,
Marshawn Lynch. Where does he rank for greatest? He's top five,

(43:04):
He's top five. He's got to be say, big area, big,
big bag of skittles. Remember is what his endorsement deal
was after Skittles?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
No, but did he do I was gonna say, did
he do it? Taste the Rainbow commercial?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
He did? Yeah? After that he got a freedo let
he got he got Las Potato Chips as a as
a sponsor. I think he's still as to the I
think Pepsi and Friedo still sponsor him. Eat your heart out,
jay Leno, go ahead, you're gonna want to do it anyway.
Who's cheesy? That's good cheeseeese? Who push us in these ice? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Remember though, during the Monica Lewinsky thing is there's a
guy he's gonna there's they said you could uh, there
was a guy who can't off you could got off
Scott Freeze.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
He goes, who's Scott free That's an actual joke that
Jay Leno told during the Lewinsky scandal back in the nineties.
Do you guys hear about this shit? You hear about this?
Let me tell you about this?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, when the late night shows, when like late night
hosts do that, they'll be like, do you hear this?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
You hear this? Yeah, you're righty for this, you're ready
for this?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
How about that today in the news, I heard about this?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
You know what? You know what I wish? I really
wish and here comes Russell running move. Yeah. I wish
that Regis Philban would do late night and then more
he would do you know he could do both? He
of course that's not an option anymore. Well, he's been
gone since twenty twenty. But I'm saying, can you imagine
if someone did that Late Night with Regis Philbin and

(44:37):
then you know, the morning show with you know or
because of course it was.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Just like six hours straight of Regis?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Are you watching? Are you watching this? Is that your
final answer? Yeah? Are you looking at this? Have you?
Are you singing this?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Are you a fan of How I Met Your Mother?
Have you ever seen that show?

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I saw an alternate U Regis. I know I saw
an alternate version of How I Met You. Well, we
can't talk about it.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
On Regis Is. In an episode of How I Met
Your Mother?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
You know where I'm going.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Where they like Chase down like the best Burger in
New York or something, and he is so funny. They
they like make it look like he's like huge, basically
like they have it. They cut to him working out
in a gym and he's got like a like one
hundred pound dumbbell and he's just doing curls with one
hundred pound dumbell. When they call him, they're like, hey, Regis,

(45:28):
we think we got the best burger joined. I think
we found it, and he's like he just throws the
dumbbell like through the wall pretty much and he's just.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Like, well tell me the address. I need to come
down and get the burger. Like it's just so funny.
Rest in peace to Regis reag So do you know
where Regis Wolman went to He want where he went
to college? Nowhere?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
No tra Dame really oh yeah, big fighting Irish.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I remember when one of our radio stations had No
Dame football on Westwood one and the one they had
home games, Read would be there and he would just
talk to to the broadcasters. Really, yeah, that's cool. Yep,
he's airing it out and Golden.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Tate Yeah, well see And was that over Woodson? Yeah
not a good look.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Well Woodson was nearing the end of Yeah where does
he rank on like for Packers?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
For you?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I love that he he because the Packers weren't really
known for signing free agents towards the end of the
fire of Era, so having him come back it was
to go leave the Raiders and go to it was fine.
And he was not a factor in the Super Bowl
because he got hurt. He hurt his arm so the
fact that they won the Super Bowl against the Steelers
without him kind of mate right there. But if Nick

(46:55):
picked six Collins was there, it would have been different.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I was gonna say, do you would you rather have
like uh JayR Alexander over no Packers Woodson or no?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Are you done with Alexander? No? No? I just I
know the years go on. Yeah, you know there's gonna
be forgettable Packers. There's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Like because you guys, you guys are I feel like
you're more of a not as much of a D
back team and more of like like the Packers sign
more legendary front line and line.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I mean it's hard to it's hard the magnitude of
a guy like Herb adterally one of the all time greats.
That's a tough act to follow. So he's already in
the discussion and that.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, just random punch. I'm not sure they cut away
too quick. I wasn't able to see the but the
Packers have had like some good d backs like in
their time. I just feel like it's more like look
at like the linebacker corps here is incredible with a J.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Hawk and and.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Clay Matthews, like those two alone together could be potentially
Hall of famers, you know, like they had the chance
to be hauled, but they're not going to the Hall
of Fame. But even then, it's just like they didn't.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
They had the Hawk kind of ran out of gas.
He was just playing for He was just there to
kind of plug the line a little bit. Yeah, he's
he never seemed like the guy no at one point,
but then he just seemed like he was under Clay's shadow.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Not that like it was a bad It was just
Clay you're going to be Yeah, like Clay was better
than a.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
AJ was bad. He was faster, he was bigger, he
was stronger.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
What do you do you know off the top of
your head, what year AJ was drafted?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I want to say six? Was he so?

Speaker 3 (48:43):
But he wasn't on the Was he on the Ohio
state team that went to the national championship?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I believe he was. He was a freshman. They lost
to Florida or did they beat No? This was the
five six, so I think he was on the two thousand.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
He wasn't on like the Troy Smith Ohio state team, I.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Don't think so. You can check though, most points per
start Rogers at the top. That's Rivers, that's Brady, that's
Auto Graham and the Packers trying to get something going
here with what five thirty five to go in the half,

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they're down seven to nothing. Back in twenty twelve. This
was week three of twenty twelve, in late September of
twenty twelve. The Seahawks are the Packers from the Space
Needle City, the Satellite City, Seattle, Washington. The Emerald City,
by the way, the Emerald City, Emerald City, Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
The Wizard. We're off to see the Wizard, the Whiz.
Ajhawk doesn't look like he won. They weren't on that
national championship team.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Not that they won.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
They didn't even Ohio State lost. I was actually rooting
for Ohio State that year.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Ohio State. I was a big Troy Smith fan.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I was pulling for him to have a better career.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
But he's just so short, he was so small. It
wasn't a Jhawk's sister married to Brady Quinn. I think
was that a thing I believe or either in Gatewell,
because I remember when Ohio State, when the Ohio State
took on Notre Dame in one of the Bowl games.
Right his girlfriend was wearing a half Buckeyes half fighting
Irish jersey. Really is Brady Quinn was the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, Brady Quinn before he was drafted by Cleveland Cleveland Brown.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Who else?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Right? Yeah, and he went deep in the draft too,
like he like.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yes he was. Brown said that this guy was going
to replace Derrick Anderson and he did yeah, and he
wasn't good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
He Just because just because you can do something doesn't
always mean you should.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
That's that's my philosophy in life. Yeah, just because just
because you can doesn't mean you should.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, just because you just because you can draft Brady
Quinn replaced Derrick Anderson with.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Him, doesn't mean you should. Yeah. Fifteen yard pedal? Now,
was it a face mask or the referees just acting
all replaceable or replacement? You notice they don't do wins
a bout. Yeah, he almost poked his eye out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
You know what's really funny is when people do stuff
like that. Yeah, and like this dude immediately went and celebrated.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
After, like he was like, yeah, I sacked.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Aaron Rodgers did this whole like belly roll dance, and
then immediately the rest of jelly roll not belly go ahead,
but then of course the refs immediately hit him with
the flag.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I hate the taunted enough. Just do Okay, you did
a say, Okay, you didn't win the Super Bowl. You
sacked the guy.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Okay, yes, and now against the Packers when I was
sacked the guy in September, Okay, calm now.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
When I was in high school and.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
When I was in Jeff Saturday, when I was in
high school, Monday, the Jeff Saturday on a Monday is good.
When I was in high school, our coach used to
like prohibit taunting and like show but like we weren't
allowed to taunt or showboat, just about making plays or whatever.
And only one time in the four and well, actually

(52:31):
I only played high school football for two years and
then I stopped playing. But in the four years I
was in high school, for the two years I played
and then the two years I didn't play, there's only
one time I watched someone on our team get called
or not get called but like showboat or taunt. And

(52:53):
it was one of our running backs.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
His name was Jake.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I won't use his last name, but Jake ran into
the end zone on like a thirty or forty yard
rushing touchdown with his arms wide out like he was
like walking in with arms wide open into the end zone,
essentially Creed STYLEEP. And on Monday at practice, Jake had
to do laps all practice long with his arms wide out,

(53:19):
just like he went into the end zone. Our coach
was like, you want to hold your arms out when
you score a touchdown, We'll make you do laps with
your arms out all day.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Good.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
And that was the last time Jake ever did that.
And that was the last time anyone on our team.
I had never seen anyone showboat or celebrate on their
way into the end zone after that.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the showboating.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Or seven times already Rogers has been sacked most of
this game in a first half in an NFL career. Yeah,
that's crazy, history.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Being made for all the round. I didn't even remember that.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I listened to this game on the radio back in
twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
How do you feel about football on the radio?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Do you? If I don't have it on TV, I
guess I can get on the radio.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I don't mind football on the radio. I prefer baseball,
like out of all, yeah, baseball so you can paint
the picture.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
It's so nice. It's with baseball, it's a slow paced
game anyway, whereas with football, and football is necessary on
the radio like any other sport. But I know what
you mean to your point, Baseball is the first sport
they ever did on the radio. I think was baseball, right, I.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Think football is the second best sport on the radio
because like, if you think about, like, I would never
listen to a hockey game or a basketball game. I
feel like it's just too fast paced and you can't
quite picture it.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I gotta have the eyes for it, right.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
The announcer would have to be really good at like
you know, like dishes it out like whatever. Oh my gosh,
can Rogers get some help?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Here?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Are there any offensive lineman for the Green Bay Packers?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
There are? They're just not Are you sure? Those on
five revolving doors in front of him? Saturday on a Monday,
and I think Saturday. I think Jeff Saturday thinks it's Saturday.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, Jeff Saturday has got a day off. He's not
sure what day it is. I was on a sweat
second and twenty seven, Oh my god. And like seeing
Tanbo Bull, you can throw it.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Also, maybe it's not like I will say, he doesn't
have a lot of time to get rid of the ball.
Reaction time is but where where are what are these
wide receivers doing?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Can you get open? Someone making legion of boom? They're
all over them third and twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Now like they're only rushing three and he's still getting
He's still getting slammed?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Is that coon? Yeah, helmet came off to another. Uh
in my.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Opinion, a Green Bay legend one of the didn't they
have another fullback?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
That was?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
They had for a little bit that I what was
his name? He had, like a big name. It was
like Ripkowski or something like that.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
It wasn't that but rip Kowski. Yeah, it wasn't that
on your fantasy team. I got it. Rip Kowski. Give
me a second mark, Exceptchinsky was a baseball player. Bay
Packers Cedric Benson. He's not in the pantheon of Packer legends.
Who are you thinking I'm trying to find? Not Dorsey

(56:12):
Levins because he was a running back, Not Edgar Bennett.
He was a running back, not him on green he
was a running back. So I could go on my
Green Bay Packers legendary running backs that I got to
see through all the years. Now, where is it Green

(56:36):
Bay Packers historical starting lineups? What are you making him up? No?

Speaker 3 (56:41):
No, no, I'm not making him up.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Oh I think that was Aaron Rodgers' leg. They're gonna
have to punt it away with two twenty two left
to go in the first half at the one they got.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Him there you go another punt on the one. So
good special teams here. It's very nice to watch, like
every facet of the game like being performed. Well, it's
frustrating when one team, like I hate watching football, that's
just like one team dominating.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I want it to be a you have the haves
and the have nots. I know you had teams that
are great and teams are not.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I just like to watch.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I enjoy more. That's what happens when you have a
seventeen game NFL season, and when you have an eighteen
game it's gonna be even more watered down. Yeah. Hey,
NFL owners, you want to try for twenty your quarterbacks.
You're gonna have a quarterback rotation moving forward.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Quarterback rotation that is gonna be something. Yeah, yeah, it's
gonna end up being like a bullpen well.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
That's gonna be. Mahomes is gonna start one game, and
then someone else is gonna start the next game, and
then someone else is gonna start the next game. Then
you have Mahomes. It's good. It's gonna be a three
to four man rotation.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
See, but then it's gonna just if it ends up
going to twenty games. I mean, I don't know if
it'll work like a rotation, but it's gonna end up
being like just because either a player will be like, well,
I'm gonna take two games off in the middle of
the season to save it.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Not them, it's gonna be it's gonna be coach's decision.
The coaches are going to have the talent pool to
do that. The two minute warning the Seattle Seahawks leading
the Green Bay Packers seven to nothing on the playback
from twenty twelve as Monday Night Football classics. We're gonna
continue this seed er only in the second week. We
got sixteen more of these babies to go. And look

(58:27):
at RG three, not only not only RG three's year,
his only year. Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah, he played like the next season, Well, he got hurt.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
He got hurt. That's because the FedEx Field turf was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, I'll never forget. I was in the airport going
to catch a flight.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
The Death of Steve Sable NFL film zoom Ye love
Steve Sable. Yeah for real. I got into football because
watching Steve Sable on ESPN two back when I was
growing up. They would just air NFL films because this
is before and the network.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yes, I remember, because on like Super Bowl Sundays, before
the Super Bowl, on like ESPN two, before NFL network,
they would replay all the old Super Bowls like before
the game.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I remember.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
That was one of my favorite things growing up. And
Steve Sable was the voice of the NFL network essentially
before it was even the NFL network, but even when
it became the NFL network, it was you know, his voice.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Now all owned of course by ESPN. Yeah, of course,
now full circle. Yeah go ahead.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
You were saying, I'm trying to find this fullback. I
can't find it. I'm trying to find like this category
contains all the articles about all fullbacks.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
John Coon. Yeah, not find in the lists. Of course.
He never played for the Packers. Mike, You're in good
hands with all Stott Tampa Bay Bucks one of the
By the way, yes, this one Revas got injured for
the Jets. He was out for the season. That's right
right there at the bottom. Latest on replacement officials. Yeah,

(01:00:06):
the this was the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
This was the like, honestly the turning point in that
in like the refs getting We'll talk more about that. Yeah,
I know, as the time goes on, it's just z
Rellworthy down. Of course, crazy to me that they are, well,
we're not worthy. It's crazy to me that they even
let this happen. But again, we'll get.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
To that moment in time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, for real, for real, a moment in time. I
am still looking for this running back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
So this is our first twenty first century game on
the playback for Monday Night Football, our first ESPN era
of Monday Night Football on the playback. We've got many
more of these things I was talking about, Mike, You're
in good hands with all Stott. Funny we mentioned Mike
Alstott because there's gonna be a couple of Tampa Bay
Bucks games are going to have with Mike al Stott
on the playback.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I was right, it's Aaron Ripkowski was the fallback I
was thinking of, but he only played for them for
like a couple of seasons, not as long as I
thought he did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Not as what game are you watching?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Not as big of a not as big of an
impact impact as John Kuhn did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
No, Kuhn was essentially the third down guy you wanted,
the chew up the yardage kind of guy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
This is the type of offense I love. Like the
way the Packers are playing right now with like incorporating
Kuhn into their like past game as like that check
down guy, like he's Rogers has him right there in
his pocket the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
You know he's a Heisman Trophy winner. Right. Woodson was Yes,
out of Michigan. Ye, not the number one pick though.
Who was the number one pick in the nineteen ninety
eight NFL draft? Was it Peyton Manning? It was Peyton
Manning of the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Yes, out of the University of Tennessee. Yes, that's the
first half. Held scoreless in the first half only once
in last season?

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Yep, against Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Was this the Alex No, Alex Smith was still on
the Niners here, correct? So who was Kansas City's quarterback
in twenty twelve?

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
In twenty twelve yeah, twenty twelve, it was if you
wanted love to look on it. Now, I'm looking at up.
Let's let's look that up. Twenty twelve it was I
was trying to think of the top of my head.
Wasn't Trent Green, because Trent Green was? I think he
retired before then. If I'm not mistaken, twenty twelve, Kansas City,

(01:02:32):
what are you looking at?

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I'm trying to find them right here? They went two
and fourteen and twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
In twenty twelve, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
And that's crazy that they got held out by the
two and twelve Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Previously it was Matt Castle, Matdie Castle. That's right, Yes,
Mattie Castle, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Guess who the backup was or the other quarterback that
started eight games?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Matt Castle started eight the Trent Green. No, it was
Brady Quinn, of course it was. Yeah, of course. It's
all full circle, isn't it. Yeah, Monday Night football here
on the playback siege. We're now in the second half
of the Seahawks and the Packers the Fail Marry game.
We haven't gotten to that point yet, and I really
don't want to get to that point. There's Lisa Salters,

(01:03:16):
by the way, Lisa passed the Salters, and it's a
seven nothing lead for the Seahawks, or the as Chris
Berman calls the Sea Bags, Sea Bags. They lead seven
nothing over the Packers. In this twenty twelve Week three showdown,
we're in week two of the classic Monday Night football games.
We've only scratched the surface siege.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Yes, I know there's a lot of Monday Night football
that we obviously, you know, we were talking earlier about
how we're not going to end up doing the FARV
game this year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Correct, But there's so we might have to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Rerun this, this experiment, this what do you want to
call it? This little mini series that we're doing for
Monday Night football. We might have to just repeat it
again next year with eighteen other What are.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
You doing to me? What are you doing to me?
It's bad enough. I've got to go to Progressive Field
in twenty twenty six, right and watch the Cubs take
on the Guardians to open up the twenty twenty six season. Well,
Cleveland's going to be in Seattle first then, but you
get what I'm yeah, they're trying to play off that
ten year kind of thing going on. Yeah, anyway, enough

(01:04:22):
of baseball. We want to thank coach Tom Yshinsky.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Thanks coach, Thanks coach.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
There you go. Thanks coach for this YouTube channel. For
watching this. That's what we're doing. You're listening to it,
we're watching it. We're painting the picture as it were,
as best we can. I mean, this is a podcast medium,
after all, and Monday Night Football rolls on for week
two at least classic Monday Night Football games. This is

(01:04:48):
only the second one we've done so far. We've got
sixteen more to go. Can you handle it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
This is I can't tell you. I've been waiting for
this for a long time. We've been talking about this project.
It's been coming up, and I'm excited to get into
the heart, like the meat and cheese of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
You know. Well, Monday Night Football, as you know, they're
on six decades now, right, we're doing the first five decades,
and there's there's a lot of games. Yes, there really is.
I mean when you said that, I was I was thinking, yeah,
maybe we could probably do this again in twenty twenty six.
We'll see, yep, we'll see. However, though that we've already
got one we can put in the pin for twenty

(01:05:26):
twenty six with the Brett Favre game against the Oakland Raiders. Yes,
at the time they were the Oakland Raiders. Now they're
the last Vegas Raiders and they're still not very good.
Are there?

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I'm trying to think of, not like maybe the greatest
Monday night football games, but are there any Monday night
football games that stand out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
To you specifically?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I know earlier we talked about the one that I
always remember, the Bills versus Cowboys, Tony Rummel throwing five.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
During the first half. Yes, that's that's in the ESPN era.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Is there any that stick out to you that you
know we might not get to this season other than
the far of one that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yes? Remember I started getting into sports when I was ten,
late ten, almost near the age of eleven. Right, so,
Monday Night football in nineteen ninety four. I remember at
my dad's house that this house doesn't exist anymore. That's
how long ago it was. The house got torn down. Wow,
it was the opener. I believe it was the Raiders

(01:06:24):
and the forty nine ers to open up the ninety
four season. Oh, go check on that. This is when
they were the Los Angeles Raiders. Oh dang, yeah, this
was nineteen ninety four. That was Is that the Al
Davis there? It was out still around Oh yeah, I
was like writing the deaf. Yeah, he made you know,
he was His presence was felt. Yeah. And then he

(01:06:45):
screws over LA and goes back to Oakland, then screws
over the A's when they build Mount Davis. You know
what Mount Davis was, right, I've heard of it, but
I saw that they built for more seating for the Raiders.
Oh yes, yes, I took away the nice skyline for
the A's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Yes, so, yes, because I remember they were. That was
back when they were playing at the at the Call
of CS.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah. Yes, if you as I know, you remember old
photos of Ricky Henderson and like the skyline in the outfield.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Yes, yeah, I remember. I actually learned about this. What
did you call it Mount Davis?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yes, they called yeah, the media called it Mount Davis
because he put all the retired number or what. Yeah. Well,
the A's, by the way, agreed to it on the
basis that they would take their numbers retire like Reggie
Jackson and Catfish Hunter and put it on on top
of it. They said you can do it, but we
have to have our imprint on it as well, so
as since he acquiesced al Davis did at the time,

(01:07:39):
So that the A's are just as as guilty in
that because they were like grew it. Yeah, they went
along with it. They shouldn't have, but they went along
with it. Also, another classic on Monday night football game
I remember from nineteen ninety four. I believe, I know
we've got one of them coming for the Chiefs and

(01:08:00):
the Broadcos. That's Montana versus l Way one last time. Yes,
we've got that down the pike. Now another was it
a ninety four game? Ninety four? Hold on, hold on? Oh,
I remember in nineteen ninety five. It was the first
time in a long time because the ABC didn't like
going to Foxboro Stadium the Patriots and the Bills on

(01:08:20):
Monday Night football in ninety five. And that's funny. I
saw they would be on the road for most but
they wouldn't be at Foxboro Stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Did I ever tell you I went to It wasn't
Monday Night, but I went to a Bill's Patriots Sunday
night football game. No call, Yeah, I know. That is
obviously the focal point of this now getting late hit yeah,
hold on, yeah, they gave it to him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
But they did the SpongeBob three years late. There.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I got to go to a Bill's Patriots Sunday night
football game when I was a kid, very exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
How old were you when that happened? Do you remember?
Was the NBC era? I was nine or ten?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
It was probably like four or five. Somewhere in that timeframe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Was this Teddy Bruski's return or no?

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Uh, he was on the team. I have this sign. Actually,
it's still in my parents' house in my old bedroom.
I went to like my parents were out of town
earlier this year, and I had to go check on
the cat and I saw my old room grab some
stuff from my parents' house, and uh, I have this
sign on the wall that says how many sacks will
Bledsoe get?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Are you counting?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Or how many sacks will Bruskie get? Are you counting?

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Blood so?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
And then I have the tickets, like the physical so
tickets still stable?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Was it you said you were? How young? You said?

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I was probably like I was in like fifth grade,
so I was probably like nine or ten years old.
I think I turned ten after fifth grade, like in
the summer. I'm a summer baby, hold on, So it
was probably.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Like five, No, it was It probably was all four
because at five was he in Dallas. I believe he
was in Dawba, So it was probably four. It was four, yeah,
because he was getting replaced by JP Lossman. Yeah, I was.
I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
It was probably like the fall of four going into
the five year is what I was thinking. So it's
probably like that fall because I had I'm pretty sure
I was in fifth grade because I had to go
to school the next day and we got home at
like four in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
It was because we like, I know this, No.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
This was ESPN. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this wasn't because
NBC didn't get Sunday Night Football until two thousand and six. No,
this was definitely the ESPN Sunday Night Football that no
no no no no no no. If you remember that theme.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, but I I I prefer the NBC era of SI.
But I do like I think Monday Night.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Football it hasn't been the same since it's gone to
the four Letter Network.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I still like it on the four letter but it
depends on who's calling the game. They've had a lot
of theme. They have had so many bad commentators.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
And who was the bad commentator?

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Well, I mean they had Booger. I'm not a big
fan of Booger.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
We're going to be hearing from Booger mcfarthie the highest
scoring game and Monday Night. I know. Okay, but the
other half of that booth is good. Okay. Like I
like Joe Testitur. Yeah, he's stuffing the beads. Don't see
him punk's throat. Someone has to stop this Jo how
about I was pretty good? Okay, thank you? Yeah, I

(01:11:17):
like I like now of course the SmackDown announcer on
w w E Friday nights.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
I'm a big fan of Joe Testatur. I like the
show that he did with Rob Riggle.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Holy moly. Yes, I don't know if you want I
remember because that was during summer reruns on ABC when
they needed programming that wasn't necessarily reruns. They wanted to
air something new there. John Cena did he did one
as well? Right he did? Did he do splash wipe out?
He did wipe out? Right? Yeah, he did wipe out? Yeah?
And Aaron Rodgers about to wipe.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Out Yeah, Aaron Rodgers wiping out on this handoff, Cedric
Benson can't find any running room. The Packers honestly look
like they're struggling. But at the same time, I want
to say that the refs aren't really helping them out here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Well, they're not supposed to help. No, I know, I'm
just saying, like, what are you what are you getting it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Well, I'm saying the refs are making some bad calls,
specifically against the Packers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
So we went from Benson and Hedges one of the
commercials last week, to Cedric Benson. We're gonna have that
next week, an amalgamation of each.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Yes, some sort of Benson and Benson Law firm, something like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
That Benson from Law and Order SVU. But I was
gonna sorry, but another classic game. I remember Halloween ninety four,
the Packers and the Bears. If you remember in ninety four,
they had the seventy five anniversary patch on there. Both
teams were wearing retro uniform. That's cool. So I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
One one of my favorites that sticks out. I think
it's another I think it's like a Halloween one or
like yeah around. I think it was like an October game.
I could be wrong. I'll double check in a second.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Well, was all this time Aaron Rodgers has.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And what First off, the fact that Donald Driver let
that slip out of his fingers. He never lets that
have time, very very uncommon for Donald. But also the
effort at the end to try and catch it. Wasn't
I thought Jordan Nelson's right there. I thought he caught that,

(01:13:08):
like I thought that Donald Driver ended up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Catching Watch here it is again, Yep, here's Driver. Oh
he's out of bounce. That That wasn't Driver, No, I
think that is that Finley? Yeah was that? Yeah? Kick
us up and Mason Crosby, of course, right, one of
the greats, one of the Packer greats. I'm not a
field goal kicker, guys, you know Mason Crosby was there

(01:13:30):
for a long time. Yeah, he was a fixture. Here
it is in and out Packers dugo get on the board,
which she was eight o seven ago in the third
quarter seven to three, now Seattle leading that That was
close though, Yeah, he made that. That could have been
one of the greatest catches of the decade.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
I don't think it was this. There's a commercial on
the screen right now. For Madden thirteen. I think it
was either Madden thirteen or Madden twelve. Yeah, I went
to the midnight real for that game. Yes, and me
and my friend, my friend Casey went with me. Shout
out to guy. We've brought him up on I think
bet this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Or we should get him on the show at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
He will probably get him on. He did plays fantasy
football with me. Big sports guy. He's actually in the
same like profession as us. He's an audio engineer I believe,
like in the same like media round. But he uh,
what a guy. Casey anyways, went with me to the
midnight release and we were hyping it up. He's not

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he doesn't even play sports video games like I do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I'm a nerd.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
I like sports video games, but he doesn't even play
sports video games like that. He agreed to go to
the midnight release with me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
We hyped it up.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
We brought lawn chairs, got chips, got a twelve pack
of soda, was doritos, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
And we show up. We show up.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
We're the only two people there all night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
No one else showed up.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
We sat outside and it was one of the It
was I think the last midnight release that like I
ever went to was that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
The first and the last.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Was that meant that Madden one was one of the
last in front of the Wally World. It was at
uh it was in front of the city. Well, it
was in front of a game stop. It was close
to a wall. Okay, games, Okay, there you go. You
know what, I don't think that's a bad thing. You
know why I look at it this way. You beat
all the rest of the punch Oh yeah, you were
the first two and the last two.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
You know what, didn't matter. The rest of the world
did not get to experience that Back in the day too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
This was like nowadays games are all everything's digital and
like at midnight you just get it. The physical releases
right there aren't There aren't midnight releases anymore because no
one buys physical things like physical coscause why they don't
make it physically available. Yeah, most of the time now
it's just digitally available. But the flag looked like Ruscott

(01:15:45):
smoked at the end of that, even though the play
got Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
He did, he did.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
But yeah, it was cool because like we got the
game at midnight and literally no one else had it
in our area anyways, Like obviously other people around the
world at it, but no one where we were had
it because we were the only two that got it
at midnight and like you couldn't get it online at
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Kid from the Simpsons, Yeah for real, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
A little fun story, little uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Russ Wilson got jacked up. Oh it was a holding
on Seattle anyway, So they're taking it back. Yeah, I know,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Like there, Oh, if I was a coach, nothing frustrates
me more. You're gonna get a holding call. Like, for
first off, there's holding on every on every play. I
don't know if you know this, Jay Dog, there's so
much there's holding on every play. It just you might
not it might not get called correct. Yeah, but the
linemen are holding.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
They gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
They're doing what they can to protect their quarterback. But
nothing frustrates me more. If you get a holding call
or like a false start or something and you still
let your quarter get your quarterback get smacked, It's like, bro,
I'm pulling you out of the game immediately. You're not
even good. You can't even hold the guy good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
That sounds something like coach something Coach Tom uh Shin
Shinsky would do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, we need coach Tom Yoshinsky would automatically have pulled
him out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Yeah, thank you, to get out of my game.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
You're not you're not protecting the quarterback good enough. Oh
Russ got him. That's a rookie mistake there. That's the
type of play that. Yeah, that was a good sack,
but the ve quarterback like Rogers, probably gets rid of that. Damn.
I can't believe Roger's got sacks seven times in the
first half. Yeah, the ticker just popped up on the
bottom with eight sacks. Eight sacks for Seattle where that

(01:17:28):
was first a green bay. That's crazy. But that was
a bad play by Russ. Like he's trying to make
a play and he's trying to boot it out right,
but you got to throw it away.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
It's a rook he would he would as you know
as the ears went on, he wasn't doing that. It's
a rookie mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
It's just thinking, Perry, it's just thinking you can make
something happen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Nick firework, Perry. I think you know where I got
that from. Flag Nicky Perry, Nicky. You know what her
real name is? Uh? What Kathleen Hudson there's already a
Kate Hudson. So I think she took her mother's maiden name.

(01:18:08):
I think Perry was her mother's maiden name. So Katie
Refrigerator Perry.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I know that you're your name like you have like
almost like a it's not a stage name, it's like
a nickname, like Jade Doug is your nickname. Mine's like
c J. You ever thought of having like like when
you were like breaking into this career, Yeah, you ever
thought about changing your name, like or not changing your name,
but like having like a like a pen name, an alias,

(01:18:35):
a stage name of some sort.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
No, now, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Always been Ja. Have you always been Jade Dogg?

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
No? Uh? Oh, you don't know how the story of Jada.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
That's crazy actually that I've never asked.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Okay, all right, here we go, folks. See my mom
and my dad one night in nineteen eighty two, decided
to have some fun. Well nine months later here, oh
you're oh you mean how Jade? Oh the nickname jade
ah gotcha? Okay, sorry about that, all right, folks. Let's
let's see how John Ryan gets this punt off. He's
been really good to this this game in punts by

(01:19:07):
the way and looks like it's another good one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Yeah, Ryan had a leg leg Oh my gosh, yes,
flip in the field. Oh what is this guy doing it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Randall Cobb, what are you doing? Corn on the cob?
Oh my gosh. Yeah, okay. Baseball tryouts in nineteen ninety
nine for Conquered High School at run Middle schools Field. Though.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Wait, you didn't. You weren't called Jay Dog until ninety nine. Yeah,
that's crazy. You went sixteen years being called Jade.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Huh, that's crazy. Sixteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
You can finish the story. I'm interested, and I'm shagging
fly balls.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
I'm going I'm going after the ball, I guess like
a rabbit dog. And all of a sudden, Ryan Robers,
one of the listeners, by the way, on the Pulse
podcast network, ro version or are you buddy? Uh? He goes,
how you be J Dog? Who I played football with
him two years prior to that? So how you beat

(01:20:07):
J Doug? And that's hell? Yeah that's where it came from.
You go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
I Uh, my nickname is obviously CJ is not my
legal name, my government.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Hand government Yeah, your government issued name. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Uh, I got cjya about two seconds after I was
born when I was born, Yeah, it was Christopher Junior
and after that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
It was cjh who first called you Siege.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
No, people have been calling me Siege forever. It might
be my friend Casey, it might be, but I don't
know because I've always been CJ. So like it's something
that like people always just say, like they're just like,
what's good?

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Siege?

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Yeah, you know like that obviously, you know you say
it all the time. Every day I get to work,
it's J Dog Ja Dog will come up to my
office and be like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Sege doing it's going on, going on stage? Don't don't
you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
I I have, like my friends called me j when
I was in high school, like short for CJ. Yeah, no,
just just Jay. Like that was only towards the end
of high school too, people started calling me ja yeah,
just to kind of shorten.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Not all kinds of time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Third and five, Oh my gosh, yeah, there he is.
Do Michael Finley speak of speak of the devil earlier?
Not many quarterbacks can do that. Well, that was what
makes Aaron Rodgers. I was about to say, that was
like Aaron Charles Rogers. That was the like textbook Aaron
Rodgers type of play. If you if you googled an

(01:21:47):
Aaron Rodgers pass, this is the type of pass.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
You would find.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
He is notorious for that roll out to his left
pause like gun sling out to the like gun sling out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Why is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the
history of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Like hitting that was incredible. That was a great Again,
many could do that. You've seen that a million times. Yeah,
on his hail mary's that he throws, yes, like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
And they're accurate. They're not. No, he just missed it.
It's well he knows where to place that football exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
That's the thing is like people are like, oh, well,
hail mary's are just you know, all luck. Roger just
gets lucky with it. It's like, it's not just lucky.
You don't get three or four hail Mary's in your
life and it's just luck. You kind of have an
idea of what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Another classic Monday night football game that I remember, the
Patriots and the Packers Super Bowl rematch in the ninety
seven right after in Foxborough. Oh really, remember I'm starting
this is my freshman year, and remember I've been a
Packers guy since nineteen ninety three, so all throughout elementary school,
in the middle school to high school was kind of hell,

(01:22:56):
especially if the Packers were playing the Patriots. Yet, okay,
I'm just saying, trust me. Whenever Cleveland would play the
Red Sox, it was always, you know, trust me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
I you know, I'm a I'm a Red Sox fan,
and I'm a Celtics fan. But I grew up like
originally when I was like watching hockey, I grew up
a Capital's fan because I am a Yoger fan essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
That's like my favorite hockey player. Ever.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
When I started watching him, he was playing for the Caps,
and then he moved to uh he he was switched,
he switched to the Rangers, and then the first time
he left the NHL, he was playing for the Rangers.
So I stayed a Rangers fan. But regardless, I was
a Rangers fan growing up. And I was an Eagles
fan from pretty much like eight years old on, like

(01:23:42):
my pretty much my whole life, I've been an Eagles fan.
The Patriots won their first Super Bowl, and I was
a big Drew Bloodsof fan. I think I've said this
on the playback, or at least don't bet this, but
I was a huge Bloods fan, and when the Patriots
benched him and then basically the next season announced we're
gonna be sticking with Tom Yeah, I was like, well,
I hate this team now. So ever since then, I

(01:24:04):
was an Eagles fan, and people at least the Packers
won super Bowls in their lifetime, like not in maybe
your lifetime at the time, or they did win.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Three going on fourteen and ninety seven, right, they won
in ninety seven in twenty eleven, shortly thereafter with my
dad's passing. So but I had never, like until twenty
ten into eleven, until twenty eighteen, you had to experience.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Every year people would be like and it wouldn't even
they wouldn't even like try to poke fun. They would
just be like, oh, who do you like And I'd
be like, oh, I'm an Eagles fan.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
They go, man, that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Must suck, yeah, and I just be like, it does.
It's it's miserable.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Until obviously, the Eagles have won as many super Bowls
in our lifetime, two each.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Until recently, it wasn't that fun being an Eagles fan,
but never give up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Obviously funny because the first one that I had with
the Packers was kind of a route against the Patriot. Yeah,
covered the spread the fourteen points. The second one that
they won, they just barely wanted over the Steelers. The
Patriots and the Eagles for the first the second time
when they meet, and then the first Super Bowl went
the Eagles barely won that one. Yes, and then this
past year Super Bowl routed them out. Yes, blowout that Yees,

(01:25:14):
that was wild.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
I wanted to ask you who was the guy who
returned the kick return Desmond in the in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
For the Packers. Yeah. Yes, Oh, I didn't really Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I didn't realize that was Desmond House. When I was
growing up, the news outlet said Dawson Howard. Like no,
when I was growing up, I Dawson's Creek.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Maybe not Dawson.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
I remember hearing about that. Obviously. That was before I
really started watching football, was like three, although my first
word I ever said was touchdown. I remember you said that. Yeah.
I have been watching football since I was in the womb.
I've been watching football since before I had eyeballs, but
I didn't really appreciate it until obviously I got old enough.

(01:26:00):
But I remember reading about Desmond Howard returning that kick
return because he talked about he looked up at the
jumbo tron to see how far behind him. Yes, the
guy chasing him was and I thought that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Was Terry was the one that kicked it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
So yeah, that's crazy too. I always forget that, like
Vinnie played.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Adam Vanna, Terry played for the Patriots before he played
for the Colts. He ended up being well, I knew
that tenured more, which is hard to believe. He actually
played for more years with the Colts than he did
the Patriots. We played a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
I remember that he played for the Colts obviously, or
the Patriots before the Colts, But I forget that, like
he played in the nineties, because I just remember him
in like oh one when they won, Like that's like,
oh yeah, yeah, that's as far back as like my
almost my football memory goes is like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Sceneson. Did you ever see the original Super Bowl thirty
six logo before they changed it to the American one? No,
I I'll show it to.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Well because that was that was two thousand and one, correct, like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Show yeah, it happened in the game self happened to
know two. I will show it to you in just
a moment. Okay. The reason why I remember it because
is here we go? Right, let's see it? Here we
go ready, man? This is yeah, it was no catch.

(01:27:24):
That was good d by Sherman.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Richard Sherman, one of the probably twenty best cornerbacks of
all time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Ten you'd taste up town ten.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
He's I only said twenty just because he's a zone guy,
not really a mando man, like he's his man to
man defense. Isn't like Mason Crosby. And guess what right
down there's a one point game. Now it's seven to six,
Seattle leading Green Bay with a buck fourteen to go.
Did you see Bobby Wagner jumping did for the center?

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
That was crazy? I remember what the Super Bowl logo
originally for Super Bowl thirty six Shaws. The place on
Fort Eddy Road doesn't exist anymore, that Shaw's location. Yep,
had paraphernalia out because you know what they like to
do with I think it was Miller light or bud
light or you know how it is. They like to
have the paraphernalia of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Oh, like the big display at the front of the
store kind of thing. Well where the beat, you know,
where where the drinks were? Yeah, yeah, you know how
that you know how that is, Like you'll see NASCAR posters, yeah,
where you'll see a bruin.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Well that's why I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Like at the the Shaws that I grew up going to,
they would they would have it by the front door,
like a big like cardboard cutout of like an upright
with like beer around it or something like a beer tower.
I know what you're talking about though, Like they would
have a big display basically saying like super Bowl coming
up whatever, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
I'll show it to you. And also before I too,
I do that though, I remember remember you know what
IgA is, right, yeah, the idea?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Yes, okay, my parents, well yeah, my parents bring it
up all the time. I think it was before my
time because where I live, Yeah, there's a or I
grew up there was a Vista, but before it was Vista,
it was I G I G A or is I
G A what market basket is? No, yeah, that's why,
so it was Vista. I'm pretty sure oka Vista became

(01:29:12):
or yeah I GA became Vista, or I GA bought
it or you mean Vista bought I G A or whatever, Okay,
because it's Vista now, but it used to be I GA.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
I don't think I GA is a thing anymore. No,
it's still in Canada, it is, oh is it? Yeah?
When I went to Montreal in uh last year, it
was uh there was an IgA. There was there was
an IgA. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I uh yeah. My parents talk about it all the time.
They always bring it up. They'll they'll always be like, yeah, wait,
I got to run down to IgA and get like
like a twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Pack or something of soda whatever. There it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
I do remember that. I do remember seeing that before
they changed it. Why'd they change it? Because of like
everything that happened with correct nine to eleven and stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Got its upgrade.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
By the way, Oh I do too, This looked way better.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
This almost like launched the branding or the marketing forward.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
I don't mind it. I don't mind this logo that
you're looking at right here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
No, but this is the past, like this is the
right future.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
The way I see it is this. They probably could
have used this logo for another Super Bowl. They never did,
of course, because now they all have the same Lombardi
Trophy silver. I hate that. Yeah, Okay, anyway, I GA uh,
Like when I was living on Downing Street and conquered.
There was a you would go up the hill and
where the right aid just currently closed. There there was

(01:30:35):
an IgA there in the on what do you call it?
On South Street? Right, Yeah, we would go to the
IgA and there was this big cardboard cutout video box
of stallone and Rambo three, and the sun would beat
down on it and they wouldn't take it down for years,
for years, for years, and you just see like, you know,

(01:30:57):
this nice chiseled body now all like faded, faded because
the sun due, my dude, is paper white, just faded.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Yeah, you've seen the Rambo three poster, right, I don't
know if I have you show me here we go.
I just started laughing though, because I just pictured Jy
Dog saying like, yeah, they used to have this, I
g A in the late eighties or whatever, and I
just picture I just wanted to be like what your
parents send you down there to go get a pack
of smokes? Like that's what that's what my dad every

(01:31:27):
time my dad talks about going to the corner store.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
This was the posting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Yeah, oh and it got torched, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Say my dad for years again, for years, they didn't just.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Like stallone turned into leather pretty much from the sun bathing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
I have a buddy speaking of like old things like that.
I have a buddy who is in like the uh,
janitorial business or like like cleaning. But he's also he's
like becoming an engineer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
I guess with fourth quarter Now it's Seattle eating Green
Bay seven to six.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
And he found an episode like a Star Wars episode
one PEPSI can when he was like cleaning out dorms
at the school he works at or whatever and like
for the summer, and he like sent me a picture
of it, and I was like, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Save that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
I was like, someone will pay money for that, bro,
Like they will first year for anything with Star Wars on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
It, especially, Well, here's the thing, especially in what in
like twenty twenty seven when well oh yeah, yeah, because
that's the thing too. They're bringing that back in theaters
in twenty twenty seven episode six. Well that's the thing too,
is like four four excuse me a new hope.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Like I collect sports cards, right yeah, but I don't
open a lot of the boxes I get because the
idea is letting it sit like things like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
That, like gain and value.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Yeah, like especially when it's something that is only like
a one time thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
So that's what agitated me about starting lineup. These are
toys in the pigs were hundreds of No, they're toys, yeah,
like they're meant to be played with. They're meant to
be played with. Okay, I'm excess rizing my toys. I do.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
Like there's a difference between like a like nowadays, like
I would probably treat him as like more collectibles. But
that's also just me. It also depends on the person.
And it's also like if I had like a ninety
six Michael Jordan, you know, starting lineup action figure or.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Not for Jordan to go Here's okay. They did Jordan
all the way from eighty eight to ninety three because
he had signed with Upper Deck, okay, and that was
an issue for Kenner Slash Hasbro at the time, so
they made Space Gem figures of him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
But like if say I had another company, Say I
had an eighty eight like a rookie year okay, like Jordan,
you know, and and I kept it in the package.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Yes for in good condition, right for like twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
I could sell it and someone like you might want
to open it just to use it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
But like that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
It's like it's all about just like there's you got
to find the buyer. That's another thing too, Yep, But yeah,
I collect cards. I don't open a lot of them
because it's all about like trying to gain value. So
a lot of the cards I have I have boxes
of like twenty twenty four draft picks, like chances of
pulling like a Jayden Daniel's rookie card.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Or something like that. What we're gonna find out down
the line, aren't we. Yeah, you're not going to do
that anytime soon.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
No, no, no, no, I want to at least like
five years per box. Essentially, like ooh, Rogers just took.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Oh Aaron Rodgers got jacked. Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
That's the other thing too, is like people used to
take almost more brutal hits, but they would bounce back quicker.
I feel like nowadays people get hit, but it's just
the game is evolving so much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
That like faster.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
I was about to say, the defensive players are faster, stronger,
Like they're hitting like you think this hit hurt? Imagine oh,
like imagine how fast that gentleman right there? Ninety nine
on the Seahawks I wonder what his forty time was
and compare that to like Jalen Carter or Jordan Davis,
like these guys who were as just as big, but

(01:35:00):
they run probably a whole second faster on their forty
you know what I mean. Like defensive linemen nowadays run
speeds that are as fast as what some corners might
used to be. Like Night Train Lane probably ran the
same forty as like Jalen Carter.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Dick Knight train Lane. There's a blast from the past,
like you know what I mean, Like maybe he didn't. Yeah,
I don't know, and I don't even know the white
Shoes Johnson, I don't think ran a That's another thing too.
They were fast, but compared to today, No.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Let me see, let me see, maybe they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Even have the time of what Dick Knight train Lane.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
I want to see what Jalen Carter's forty times because
they don't have that all. He's a good Jalen Carter
did not participate in the forty Just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
He ran there goes your little I know, I didn't
realize experiment.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
He ran a five to one five in high school,
but he definitely is faster than a five to one five.
Let me find another fast like right here, Jordan Davis,
another Eagle's roll out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Look at this, Oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Gosh, dogs relive in the game like it's fresh, like
it's live.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Remember I was hearing it on the radio. I have
access to steal it on cable like the rest of us.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
So Jordan Davis became the fastest player for any player
weighing over three hundred and thirty pounds. He ran a
four point seven eight and he weighs three hundred and
forty one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
His heart was going like quadruple overtime when that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
So four point seven eight, right, that's we'll use that
as our benchmark.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Yeah, Jimmy Johnson did when he was head coach of
the Miami Dolphins. He would tell, you know, big beefy
linebackers would run, you know, record breaking paces. So like
Zach Thomas and Jason he didn't have a specific for
Thomas Jason Taylor. Excuse me, Zach Thomas and Jason and Taylor.

(01:37:01):
How did those guys not win anything? Huh? Zach Thomas,
Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor that dominant You know that
they were stalwarts for the Miami Dolphins all those years.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
I know, and they they went they were they on
the winless Dolphins?

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
No, they weren't on those times. This this proceeded. This
is the Dan Marino like Jay Fiedler. No, I know,
but I know that winless. No, the winless Dolphins didn't
go winless? Didn't he won one game?

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Oh against? Was it the Lions? Or was it the
Titans or something? Who did they beat in that one
in that season that they won one game? They won
on like a walk off on like the at the
end of the game or something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
I feel like, was it two thousand and seven? Yes,
you think you're all right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
I was looking up something else.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
But now, let me didn't go winless? The Browns went winless.
The Lions went winless. Oh eight, Lions went winless. I
think Rod Marinelli was the head coach then at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Did Miami Dolphins had a one win season in two
thousand and seven?

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Seven? Yes? Do you know who they beat? Was it
the Jaguars?

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Was it the Falcons? Was it an a Was it
a No? Was it a riot? Was? No? It wasn't.
Was it the Raiders?

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
You're not gonna get it. It's the Ravens. Okay, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't have gotten that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Well, the Ravens weren't really all that good and seven
so quote quote the Ravens balt to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Score the bulta score. I'm trying to see. They won
thirteen to ten in overtime. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure
it was like pretty much a walk off. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Who was the head coach? Was it Chris Chancellor? No?
Who was it? Ready? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
I never even heard of this guy's Cam Cam Cameron.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Yes, okay, Cam Cameron was one and done. They had
think they fired him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
I think mid season they had one Pro bowler on
that team.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Who was it? Jason Jason Taylor? Yeah, so Jason Taylor
was a part of that, maybe Zach Thomas.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
And Zach Thomas was probably off the team by gone
by them. Yeah, uh, let me, can I see the
roster of the few bright spots was defensive end Jason Taylor.
He had forty seven tackles eleven sacks that season.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Yeah. Yeah, that was not a That was not a
good season. That seven season. I remember the Patriots running
up the scoreboard in both games. Remember this was the
unbeaten Patriots, so we could have had a season had
the Dolphins not done their job and lose to the Ravens,
we could have had a season where you had undefeated,
defeated and defeated. Yeah, that would have never had Yeah,

(01:39:31):
like a winless yep.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
But both teams ended up having one on the other
side of the the record books there the Dolphins got
one win and the Patriots ended up getting one loss.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Isn't isn't that? Remember these Remember what Berman used to
do every year whenever a team would be would have
a defeat. But I don't I don't know if I remember. Okay,
on on NFL Prime Time, he would whenever the let's
say that the Dolphins love that that a team went
the last team to go undefeated gets defeated. You would

(01:40:03):
hear the sound of a champagne bottle opening up. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Yeah, yeah, the seventy two Dolphins are celebrating again.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Well, that's what this article that I'm reading was just
talking about. It was comparing the day. It was like,
the Dolphins have one of the worst teams in NFL
history with the one win team, and then they have
one of the greatest teams ever with the undefeated team. Yes,
which is funny, like that franchise is just stricken with
just a roller coaster ride forever.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
I guess some of the players.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
On this on this one win Dolphins team, you want
to hear some of them?

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Yeah, go ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Quarterbacks listed, Yeah, Number seventeen Kleo.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Lemon, yep, Cleo Lemon.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Yeah, what a name? Number nine John Beck?

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Is that a quarterback? Or yeah? They were still doing quarterbacks? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Number ten the starting quarterback Trent Green. Yes, Trent Green
was the starting quarterback for the one in fifteen Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
That's had better success in to Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Yeah, you don't say they had Ronnie Brown on this team.
He's pretty good. Marty Booker, Chris Chambers, pretty good. Ted
Gen Junior was on that team. I forgot about him.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
He was he might have been a rookie that year
or no, it was either a rookie or in his
second year.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Yeah, I was gonna say either his first or second year.
He doesn't say here. But he was really good in
Ohio State guy the Ohio State University. He was a
big return man early in his NFL career, but even
in college he was like he was like Devin Hester
Light almost.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Never panned out though in the NFL when it came
to being the next to Devon Hester. No, there was
only one Devin Hester, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
But I mean there's been other good return like returners,
Like you know, Cleveland's got Josh Cribbs is like one
of the best returners you know in NFL history.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Who else I'm trying to think like that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
You know, Dante Hall, the X factor out in Kansas City,
Troy Brown and New England. And I was gonna say
Antoine Randall l but I wouldn't put him in that
returner category. He's more of like a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
He threw a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl. Oh,
that's right, he did. Yeah, that wasn't the Cardinals the Seahawks.
I was going to say, uh, we got fighting going
as that's a flag. Another classic Monday night football game.
The Packers were to set the record for most home

(01:42:27):
wins until Randy Moss, a rookie. Randy Moss and the
Minnesota Vikings had other plans on Monday night football. Siege
that made it worse, That made it hurt worse. Do
you think that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
We should have Monday night football in the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
They already have a Monday night game during the wild
card game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Yeah, but do you think like instead of having like
a Saturday and a Sunday as he gets down to
like the divisional and into like the championship games, like,
do you think those should be like on primetime like
Sunday night and Monday night instead of like a Saturday
and Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
You're giving you realize you're giving the NFL ideas now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
I just thought about it. You're giving them ideas now,
like they're gonna strip it away and put it on
pay per view and they're gonna put it on like
a Wednesday night, like I feel like a Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
I don't know because when you watch, when you watch,
like the National Championship is usually on like a Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
It's on a Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Yeah, So it's like if they can play that on
a Monday, how do the ratings do for the National Championship?

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
You know, it's the last game of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
It's pretty good, right, you know college football? Why wouldn't
Monday night, Like, why wouldn't a Monday night playoff game?

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Do? Like do good or get good reviews?

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Doesn't matter that it's ratings. Yeah, it doesn't matter that
it's a Monday night.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
It's like it would be more rest for the players too.
That'd be in an additional three days or two days. Yeah,
and then you could get it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
I mean it all depends on it's TV broadcasting rights
and who gets the right side.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Well that is. It's a little different on ESPN though,
as it was for ABC because ABC once let's go
back in time, once Monday Night football was over, they
would have other programming for that Monday night. Yeah, so
was NYPD Nude on there? I think it was on Mondays?
Or is that Thursdays? I don't remember NYPD Nude.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
It is still seven six, nine thirty eight left on
the clock Monday Night Football.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
The fail Mary twenty twelve. This is the second week
of eighteen in a row. Siege. I hope you can uh,
how do I put this? Hope you can handle it?
Can you dig it? Sucker? I will be able to
handle it. I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
This is gonna be a good run.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Every week. We're doing this every week until the end
of December. This is vacation. You know you're gonna have
to tell the folks, non I have to tell the
house of the mouse. I'm gonna have to tell no, No,
I'm doing. I'm doing Monday football, the playback. I'm helping
out a touchdown. I'm helping out to coach unbelievable, helping
out coaches Shremsky this week. No, yeah, Shinskiski baseball. What

(01:45:00):
he's doing. No, it's coaches ships balls. Packers score twelve
to seven. Let's go yep.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Greg Jennings contorting his body like Harry Houdini to get
out of a straight jacket into the end zone.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
Where was Harry Houdini from? I don't know Wisconsin? Is
he I didn't know that. That's very interesting. Look at this,
he said school. Oh is he down? Now? He was out?

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
His foot slid out over here on let's see watch
it's not that he's down.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
He goes out in the short of the goal.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Yeah, it's a fur Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
I think it's a first. That's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
These refs are like, hey, buddy, it's my first day
on the job. Could you not make it as hard
as pown up?

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Please? Could you please? Not? Ye? Could you make this
just like throw it, you know, thirty five yards?

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Can you just walk into the middle the end zone? Untouched,
so we know that it's a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Please. Budapest, Hungary is where Harry Houdini original I was
originally where he was born, but he lived in Wiscon, Wisconsin.
Or Ja Dogs just Mas Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
O Jade Dog's over here telling fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Tell he's spitting facts. Don't you do that? Coach Tom
Yashinsky his YouTube channel. Here we go, here's the verdict. Okay,
is that the one? There's a motorcycle in the background.

(01:46:44):
I guess. So they're all revped up with no place
to go, like meat loaf dog rest his soul.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
They're all revveed up and ready to go like the
Ramones moving on the backstreet one yard line. Let's see
if the Packers can actually get this offense moving. They've
been cooking in the second half here, but they still
can't score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
They've got the Seahawks quasi figured out. Quasi, I mean
by certain defensive packages they've found a way to to
kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Yeah, the defense has stepped it up on that. The
offense just needs to find that groove and get it going.
It's weird watching one, and he's, oh, it's weird watching
football and watching a team on the one yard line,
not do a touch push like it's it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Remember we're not we're although we're in twenty twenty five
for this game, we're in twenty twelve. Yeah, I know, so,
mm hmm. Rogers trying to just to reach over, reach

(01:47:58):
over and do that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Yeah, why didn't they just hand it off?

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
Not good play call? It was not a good play call.
They're short, Okay, go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
How much do you think chain gangs get paid? I mean,
now they're doing the I think that was virtual. I
was gonna say they're trying out the virtual, but they
still have the chain gang there.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
As a backup just in case in case it goes Hey,
why right?

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
But they have to pay them to be there? How
much do you think they get paid?

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Not much? The grounds crew is You don't think they're
on salary. I don't think so. I don't think so.
Let me see. They're not making Aaron Rodgers type money.
I can tell you that much. Okay, he's going to

(01:48:53):
challenge it now. This is exactly what the referees didn't
want either a referee to challenge them.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Yeah, I know they're like, they're like, dude, come on,
I just can we wrap up the game and go home?
It says NFL chain gang members. Yeah, this is an
AI answer from Google.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
This is that doesn't necessarily mean that it's accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
I know this is That's why I'm saying that. This
is Gemini telling me this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
Yes, it says chain.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Gang members make a relatively low wage for their work
within one source, indicating compensation is closer to minimum wage
than high salary of referees. Some reports from twenty twenty
suggesting payments between seventy five to one hundred dollars per game.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Okay, but so take that with a grain of salt though. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
But at the same time, it says the whole point
is to be on the field, yes, which that Yeah,
you're on field operations. You're not getting paid to like
you're not going You're not taking that job because you're
looking for money. You're taking that job because you want
to get out on the NFL, like on the football
field during the game.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Okay, rolling on the field first and ten, So they've
got up to four chances to punch this in to
take the lead Packers down by one?

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Are they going for one or they didn't score yet.
I'm an idiot spaced out. They got the first. That
was a good stretch by Rogers, and.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Again his knee might have been down though. That's another thing.
The referees didn't this. This referee crew is not getting
it done. I can tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
They're not going to be putting this on their highlight tape.
This isn't going on the package.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
Where's your higher, where's your higher?

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Your your higher? Your resume?

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
I might dog ate it when these when these refs
build a p kg to send in on the resume,
it's not gonna have footage from this game.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Better not let someone who decides to insert in their
touchdown packers. Thanks Gruden. Another review. Huh, this last eight.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
Minutes is going to be the longest portion of this game,
this video for those listening for if you're out there
listening to the playback right now, Yeah, uh, there's still
a good amount of time left on this video. And
there's only eight minutes left in this game. And this
video is absent of commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Yes, so in game commercials they've got plenty.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
This is going to be a lot of reviews coming
up here soon. Is the feeling I'm getting.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
He looked at right at me when he said that
they're going for two.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
By the way, they should. It's a good call. Should
always go for two. Forget the field goal kicking it
stop that be a man. Go for it on fourth,
fourth and one hundred. I don't care throw it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Well, they Packers take the lead. The Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
I don't think they've scored since the second quarter? Was
it the second? Oh? Twelve seven? Now Packers lead.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Seattle has minus one yard on six plays in the
second half.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
Yeah, the he.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Said the Seahawks are gonna need to find some skittles
to feed Marshawn Lynch beast mode.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
That's my best grudent impression.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
The Seahawks are gonna need to find some skittles for
that running back. They got their number two four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
This guy, yeah, that's all. That's all. That's all would
do during the draft when he would do draft coverage.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Let me tell you this guy, this guy right here,
this guy he's almost got like his Like when Caliendo
does his impression of him, it's almost like it's almost
Trump esque the face that he makes, like when he's
when he's when Caliendo's doing that that you know what

(01:53:23):
I'm talking about it's almost like a yeah, it's like
a very similar face.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
That's like Gruden does a Russ Wilson. Oh what an innercept?
What a look at this guy? Oh that was great interception.
There's a flagg what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Take your off, pack your bag, go pack up the locker.
You're going home this dude. I'm so glad they caught
this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
That was the greatest, Kevin Green, that suns. That's Hall
of Famer Kevin Green, the late great.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
I'm so glad they caught him on film pointing like
that for the interception, all for it to offer it
to get called back, that's wild. It was a pick.
It would have been an interception. That was kind of
a ticky taky call. That's a terrible call. Jay Doug

(01:54:33):
is already and minus he doesn't even use the word
tiki tacky anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
It's just terrible call.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
That was a pretty rough call that was that's brutal
for Packers fans. That probably changes the game right there.
If Green Bay gets the ball with no yard like
they were on like Seattle's like thirty, Oh that's heartbreaking.
Where would you put Marshawn? Did I already bring it? Up.

(01:55:01):
Where would you put him on greatest running Backs all time?
Top thirty, top thirty. He doesn't even crack the top twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
No, there's been so many, so many better running backs
than Marshawn Lynch. Really on his own team, Sean Alexander
was a better running back than Marshawn Lynch was. Lynch
gets the benefit of the doubt because he was a
character anyone a Super Bowl. That's it. Not stats wise,
not impact wise.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Yeah, but the impact he made in the game. Like
if it's almost like Derrick Henry, I think him and
Derrick Henry are. It's probably like the closest like comp
to Marshawn Lynch. Derek Henry's probably got more speed and
he's maybe a little taller.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Priest Holmes might be better than he just did the De Niro.
He just did the de Niro.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
Priest Holmes, Oh Russ let Russ Cook, you think Priest
Holmes is like more comparable to Marshaan.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Or do you think he might be better?

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
I would probably say Priest Homes is probably better. Pricetme
is a good running back. I'm not saying that he's not,
but I just think I don't know marsha.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
A Koye the Nigerian Nightmare. Well, yeah, he's a Hall
of Famer. No he's not, he's not. No, No, he
flamed out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
I thought he was a Hall of Fame. No, he's
basically same as Barry Foster. Well, he basically is like
a fullback like that, like a Koyeko had.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
The pads of a fullback.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Well, that's what I'm saying. He's basically a fullback. Another flag. Oh,
I'm gonna make my bed real quick because we're gonna
be here all night.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
I'm not spending the night with you. I'm not doing that.
How many?

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
How much do you think do you think Pete Carroll
has authritis in his jaw?

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Well the gum chewing, Yeah, No, he's getting there though,
Like he's getting to that point though.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Do you think does he still chew gum?

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
Yeah? Like when he's on guy.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
No, I know he's the oldest coach in NFL history
this season?

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
What was the call?

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
I was too busy looking at Pete Carroll chewing gum.
Dude's gonna Dude's gonna have a like he's gonna have Lockjawn,
you're gonna do they.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
Gum and another flag.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
There's Pat McAfee's own a J Hawk helmet helmetless. That's
what he's known for, not for playing football or going
to Ohio State, just for being on the Pat McFee
show smoking stogies, right, yeah, for real every time he
comes on.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Did you ever see burning stage.

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Last year's at like some point he uh last year,
at some point he I think his kid like hit
him in the eye with something or and he had
to wear an eye patch on the show for like
a yeek.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
I remember watching the Brutal and.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
I think he was still smoking a stogie with the
eye patch on. I wouldn't be surprised smoking some sage. Yeah,
he Honestly, I love when they compare him to I've
seen like people compare him to like Stonehedge, like one
of the big like or the Easter Islands or whatever
they got, like those big leg uh rocks out there.
That always cracks me up. It's a good show, Russ

(01:58:31):
airing it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
Out and a flag on the play.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
Oh my gosh, that's like six plays in a row
with a flag.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Let them play. You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
I'm getting frustrated. I requested this on our list. I
told jaydagg I wanted to watch this, he obviously wouldn't
have wanted to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
In the words of Al Michaels, be careful what you
wish for. Yeah, they just get it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
It's like now, I'm like, this game's annoying.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
It's like, just let the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Guys play football. He almost caught that too, he did. Yeah,
Sidney Rice, I used to really like his game, like
when when he went to I think he went to
Minnesota and played with Farv there, right, who did Sidney

(01:59:20):
Rice did? He let me double check, But I really
liked him.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
I think that he played for Minnesota thirty two yard
penalty and now they're moving up on So it's crazy.
We've got what six ten to go in regulation in
Green Bay leading Seattle twelve to seven.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
He played with Minnesota before he played with Seattle. With
Farv Okay, he was the I'm pretty sure you remember that.
It's like a I think it's like a playoff game.
I think it was a playoff game. Like Farv rolled
out and threw this like fifty yard dart to Sidney Rice,
like running on the back line of the end zone,

(02:00:05):
and he got like a toe tap and it was
like game winner as time expired.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
That was like the number one that was against the Niners.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yes, that was Sidney Rice. Yeah,
that was like probably his Apex mountain right there is
his peak.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
All downhill from there. Yeah, for real. This is the
first year of these uniforms. By the way, this twenty
twelve of the Seahawks. Love these uniforms. Oh yeah, what
they're sotistic.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
In twenty eleven eleven they used the like Sean Alexander ones.

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
When they move. Yeah, the you know which ones?

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
Yeah, the like the navy blue with like the light
blue I think on parts of it or something like that.
All here, let me look it up. Yeah, because I
know which ones you're talking about. Yes, I can't like
it doesn't it doesn't have the green in it?

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
Correct? Yes, yes, still had the mean looking Seahawks though,
Like this jersey, why is it pulling up like new jerseys?
We we want the old ones. I know this one.

(02:01:18):
I didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:20):
I guess it does have some green in it, but
not like Yeah, this is like the matt.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
Hasselback Yeah, number eight, Mattie Hasselback.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
I like these ones. I like their like updated nineties
version jerseys.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
Or those nineties. What are these eighties? Were? They weren't
eighties either, What are these seventies? Yes? Oh really, they
wore those for far too long. I was glad when
the Seahawks moved to their new stadium with a new
every new Yeah, how do you?

Speaker 3 (02:01:53):
I'm jus So we're talking about Seahawks jerseys right now,
like all time jerseys for the Seahawks, and uh, this
one just popped up, Jade Dog and it says, whatever
happened to these god awful jerseys? And it's the bright
lime green.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Lime green like mark highlight highlighter.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
Yeah, it's like the hassleback jersey, but instead of being
like navy blue, it's lime green with the sleeves still
like navy blue. I'm pretty sure this is hassleback right
here in this photo. Now it's not, oh no more
number eight.

Speaker 1 (02:02:23):
Yeah, you're right. His face looked like hastlebacks for a second.
Was that the Nike era or is that the Rebock era?
This is Rebox Okay? Actually yep, the Rebox jerseys. Not
a big fan. I like they were baggy, Yeah, they just.

Speaker 3 (02:02:40):
I like the newer like I like the way the
jerseys feel.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Today he took a pop three twenty nine to go
in regulation still twelve seven.

Speaker 3 (02:02:52):
Yep, the uh was that Clay coming out of the
game helmet off?

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
Not good?

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
The tight end position, I think if I like, out
of all positions, I feel like they take the worst
beating out of everyone, so that you were like, out
of all positions, I feel like, oh, I feel like
the tight ends just take a beating.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
Of course they do. They've got a block and attempt
to make a catch. Wide receivers just have to just
go see.

Speaker 3 (02:03:29):
But you I don't know, you'd imagine like because they're bigger,
they like can handle more of a beating. But I
just feel like tight ends take a beating like they
just like out of all the players. Like look at
gron Like Gronk looks fine now he's on TV and stuff,
but when he was playing time, Yeah, like when he
was playing, like, think about how many injuries he had.
He had, like that big brace on his elbow he

(02:03:52):
wore for like most of his career and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
Had a knee brace as well for a long time
because he had a knee injury.

Speaker 3 (02:04:00):
Olden Tate Tate gonna be sixteen to go in regulation
and Tate's about three yards short, maybe two yards short.
They're gonna take it down.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
They're gonna go to the two minute warning, something we
did not have last week. Yes, because Monday Night football
when it started in nineteen seventy the two minute warning.
And he also had the high school slash college for
a foot.

Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
Also the crazy like think about just again, the fans
in that stadium were sitting in the end zone pretty much.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
Yeah, that doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (02:04:32):
Very hippys ay by the way, yes, shouts out to
the late great Stuart Scott. Yeah, you know what they're
doing sideline reporting, I know. No, oh well, they're prepping
the shameless yes plugging sports lug.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
For Sports Central. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
Yeah, which has not been the same for a long time,
probably around since, like Stuart Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
Since these little things that I hold in my hand
have made news and sports clip shows irrelevant. And that's
just the way it is. Baby.

Speaker 3 (02:05:06):
You can get everything in the palm of your hand now.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
So yep, instant gratification. We used to pine the next
day at school. What's the score? No, the Packers take over?

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
Oh my gosh, no, no way they didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
Just that was Don Caper's the defensive coordinator who was
the original Carolina Panthers head coach by the way, John Capers.
He could have ran that in and you know what,
that could have been a penalty too if you look

(02:05:53):
at it on the Seahawks. No on the package. Yeah,
wasn't called.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
That's the whole point of this special playback editions.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
Not a special edition. This is not this, it's each
This is anything buck special. Okay, Dan, that could have
easily been wasn't called. Green Bay takes over with a
minute fifty to go. They fumbled.

Speaker 3 (02:06:21):
Oh they got it. I think the packers got it.
I'm surprised there's no laundry yet.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Just wait, yeah, yeah, I know there's been lingry for
other play Look.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
At this that thirty nine by the way, Benson, good,
good job staying up like good acrobatic moves and shouts
out to Jeff's Saturday recovering the fumble Saturday on a
Monday centers. Oh, Bobby Wagner looked like he got hurt
there at the end. Took a little stinger. Bobby Wagner

(02:07:03):
might be going to the Hall of Fame. You think
so he's been I mean I would probably say so.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
He was one of the top players. Here's the thing.
He was just vastly underrated. He was not talked about
among his peers. Now, I think because he's been able
to last all these years, the longevity longer than Aaron Donald. Yep,
Aaron Donald was a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (02:07:23):
He retired so early, like he could have he could
have played for at least, you know, another five years
if he wanted to. Yeah, if he if he wanted to,
I mean, obviously, Like the big thing with football players
is like, you know, the pain that they deal with
day in and day I'll like, look at Jason Kelsey.
Everyone I thought he could have played. I thought that
he could have played longer.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
You know, most of.

Speaker 3 (02:07:46):
Most football fans out there probably assumed that he could
have played longer. Two more years maybe, yeah, But when
you I don't know if you watched the was it
called Kelsey the documentary that was about him. I forget
what it was called, but there was a document that
I think Prime did, and it went into like Jason
Kelsey's life. He talked about like his decision making and

(02:08:08):
it was basically his final season. They filmed him during
the season all the way up until like they what
did they did they lose in the Super Bowl when
he when he retired, right, he lost to Travis and
then retired.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
No, they they lost to Tampa Bay. Oh that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:08:28):
They on the They went on like a six game
losing shit.

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
And remember yeah, yeah, the coach was on borrowed time. Yes,
or at least the media thought he was on borrowed time. Yes,
the psych yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:08:41):
But again, Jason Kelsey, they thought he could have You
know that most people in the media thought that he
couldn't last longer. He could have played more, but the
physical toll just becomes too much, and it's like these
people are still human.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
Not to some people in the NFL. You're a piece
of meat, livestock.

Speaker 3 (02:08:59):
But that's what makes Hall of Famers Hall of famers
is that ability to be injury prone and to make
your career a long lasting one, you know, like to
be able to have that longevity and to make it
all the way to the Hall is something that Bobby.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
Wagner is on pace for right now.

Speaker 3 (02:09:23):
He's a Super Bowl champion, one of the top tackling
linebackers in the league still like still one of the
leaders in tackles every single season, he might not lead
in those categories that you read for you know, DPOY.

Speaker 1 (02:09:39):
And stuff like that. Sacks, well, sas is the only
stat that people sacks and interceptions Like That's what I'm saying.
Like that seems to get right.

Speaker 3 (02:09:47):
He doesn't get those sacks. He's not going to get
a lot of interceptions, even though linebackers can. But Bobby
Wagner is just a solid Like if I wanted to
show someone how to play linebacker or how to make
form tackle, like, I would show him footage of Bobby Wagner.

Speaker 1 (02:10:03):
He's very textbook.

Speaker 3 (02:10:06):
Or as you as you like to say, and in
videos that we've done in the past on our on
the playback when we did like wrestling and stuff like
that videos Wagner And yeah, I said videos when we watched.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
What videos are you watching?

Speaker 3 (02:10:22):
You like to talk about like wrestlers that you like,
you like technical wrestlers. I think Bobby Wagner is.

Speaker 1 (02:10:27):
A say technical football yes, yes, right, it looks like
the Seahawks are at the ball back.

Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
Right, Yeah, it looks like the well the Niners or
the Niners the Packers are trying to.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Well could go wrong here, Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (02:10:41):
Packers are trying to essentially just get him to force
their timeouts and make the rookie, you make a two
minut drill.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
He's got niners on the brain, because eventually we will
have that classic matchup, the highest rated Monday night football
game ever. I believe at the time it still actually
might be. Nineteen ninety the battle of the two best
teams in the NFL was the Giants and the forty
nine Ers in San Francisco. Yes, that was in December

(02:11:08):
of nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (02:11:11):
The punter tried to flop there and make it look
like it was a running into the punter.

Speaker 1 (02:11:16):
What are you doing? What are we doing?

Speaker 3 (02:11:22):
Like? I know the result, but it's just frustrating to
watch people.

Speaker 1 (02:11:25):
You have to play bad You have to go through this.
We have to go through this. Okay, you go through it,
I go through it. We're both going through it. Okay,
we're going through something.

Speaker 3 (02:11:34):
I just hate watching people play bad football.

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
Forty six seconds left, Uh yeah, forty six seconds left.

Speaker 3 (02:11:49):
About at least almost twenty minutes left on this YouTube video.
And don't forget stick around because we've got the aftermath
coming up.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
Afterwards.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
We're gonna have categories away awards the Best bet Award,
Worst Athletic Moment. We'll have things like best sports nickname,
that's our newest category, even best mic work. So make
sure you stick around the aftermath on the way here.
On the playback, forty five seconds left, Russ yep throwing
the ball up.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
Is it going to be called?

Speaker 3 (02:12:19):
No call? No call there, but Russ wants a call.

Speaker 1 (02:12:23):
No call there.

Speaker 3 (02:12:24):
But I've seen worst calls in this game, like the
tiki taki, like roughing the passer. I mean he kind
of was man handling there him there. But the Zebras
might be given one of the pack since they've been
giving him a lot of penalties tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
To even it out.

Speaker 3 (02:12:47):
Yeah, they're trying to trying to make up for it.

Speaker 4 (02:12:49):
Yeah you got it. Yeah, I remember they have no
time out. Yeah out of times have two.

Speaker 1 (02:13:02):
They're already at the twenty one. He's gonna snap the ball,
stop the clock or no, he was gonna that's why
he was in the shot, so nope. Stops the clock though,
so which is essentially the equivalent to spiking the ball, Yep.
It just shaved off more seconds though.

Speaker 3 (02:13:20):
It just gave them a chance, Like I'm okay with that.
Play sometime if you've when you're on the sidelines, the
coach is probably I don't know, giving Russ like two
or three plays like right here, he's probably like telling Russ, hey,
you got this. If you get up to the line,
either spike it or do this. You know, like they

(02:13:41):
have options in their head.

Speaker 1 (02:13:49):
Eighteen seconds left to go in the game. This is
green Invade twelve, Seattle seven.

Speaker 3 (02:13:57):
And an absolute duck. Find that one on the pond.
Give it some breadcrumbs.

Speaker 1 (02:14:03):
Quack quack. Aaron Rodgers could do nothing right now. I know.
He just has to sit. He has to stand and
watch this happen. They're just banking on.

Speaker 3 (02:14:15):
These vets on the Packers defense to try and get
the job done. They need Raji to get in there,
try and make some noise. But it's just the Seahawks
offensive line is Russ.

Speaker 1 (02:14:26):
Is too quick and again he's only a rookie.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
They can't get their hands.

Speaker 1 (02:14:29):
This is his first year in the NFL, I know,
and he's already played for what four teams already?

Speaker 3 (02:14:38):
Oh what are you gonna do there? Like, even if
he catches that, what are you gonna do? The Packers
aren't letting him go out. There's three guys there. They're
gonna hold him in bounds.

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
Seahawks, Broad Coast, Steelers, Giant. Yeah, four teams. So for Russ, Yeah,
I think he's a Hall of Famer. I I know
there was a time where people were like, you played
himself out of the Hall of Fame. Feel like that
With the way he played last year in Pittsburgh, it
feels like he started off well.

Speaker 3 (02:15:05):
Yeah, he was bombed at the end of the season
and he I think he had a good season with
Denver other than Sean Payton literally trying to ruin his career.

Speaker 1 (02:15:15):
Yes, well that's because they want to pay him all
that money. Then why did you sign him. Here we go,
it's the play. The ball's up. No, it's not caught.
Tate doesn't have that ball. Tate doesn't have that ball
in his hand. No, Golden Tate does not have that

(02:15:37):
football in his hands. No, unbelievable. You have to be
kidding me. They're still fighting. They're still fighting over the ball.

Speaker 3 (02:15:49):
This cameraman's closer to the football than the ref is. Yes,
there's coaches here, there's players, the ref loss has had.
It's total chaos in the end zone.

Speaker 1 (02:15:57):
Pandemonium in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (02:15:58):
Golden Tate at the bottom of the pile, no football
in his hand?

Speaker 1 (02:16:01):
Correct, No, why because he didn't catch it. That's why.

Speaker 3 (02:16:08):
He pushed off too. That's one thing I always saw
is like, even if Tate Junnings has the ball in
his hands, even if Tate catches this right, watch at
the beginning he pushes.

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
I saw the push off. We're gonna see it again
and again.

Speaker 3 (02:16:22):
This is the most iconic shot ever.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
That's so crazy. I wouldn't say not ever, but of
this game, of this maybe of this.

Speaker 3 (02:16:29):
Of the decade, one of the most like just in
sports history, ball is not in Golden Tate's hands. The
biggest w what are we doing TF situation in football history.
These two running up clueless, not talking to each other.
They got no clue what's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
They just look at it just like it's almost as
if they're not referees. Yeah, Jerry Austin, by the way,
is the referee commentating alongside Bike to Rico and John Gruden.
That's they would bring him up, much like the uh
Jeene sterotory for CBS and for who else on Fox?

(02:17:09):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (02:17:11):
I don't remember because the only one Mike Perrera.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
It's Mike Perera.

Speaker 3 (02:17:14):
I always think of Gene when I think of the
because of Tony.

Speaker 1 (02:17:17):
What do you think, Gene? I don't know, Jean. Why
don't you tell me? What do you think? Jean? Here
we go now? Don't know, Jean, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:17:30):
He It looks like it could have been in either
of their hands.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
Jeane. This one's up in the air. Jim, I mean,
it's it's Closeim, Jim, come on, Rogers isn't talking to
anybody right now?

Speaker 3 (02:17:43):
Pushed the camera away from his face. That's frustrating.

Speaker 1 (02:17:50):
I just.

Speaker 3 (02:17:54):
I just don't know how you mess this up. And
like I get the rule is like the tie, like
if both of these players catch push off, Tate pushes
off right here, Watch right there as that guy goes
to Jones as Jennings, Yeah not Jennings shields.

Speaker 1 (02:18:12):
Yeah, it's a Jennings interception. Yes, Jennings has the ball
in his hand. What are they not seeing?

Speaker 3 (02:18:30):
Yeah, like Jennings has possession.

Speaker 1 (02:18:32):
The I get.

Speaker 3 (02:18:33):
The whole thing is like if it's a tie, the
catch goes to the receiver, like the ball goes or
like the like the the tie goes to the receiver.
Almost like in baseball, the like the tie goes to
the runner, you know what I mean. Like, I get
that ruling, but it's not a tie here. Like, just
because he has his hands on it doesn't mean that

(02:18:54):
he caught the ball. Like it's pressed against jennings chest.
Like Jennings definitely intercepted it. I went to work the
next day, this dude said. I went to work the
next day.

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
I went on a rant. I wish we had an
air check for that day. You sure to segment the
tape segment? Yeah, and guess who show it was on.
That's crazy. Guess who show it was on. Yeah, this
is back when he had an afternoon show. That's crazy. So, yes,
this was twenty twelve. Yeah, they're interviewing Russ Wilson. He's

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talking about being a Here we go.

Speaker 3 (02:19:36):
It's they're talking about they're interviewing Russ and the game's
not even over. You.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
No, the games that they have to get back on
the field to kick the extra point. That's part of
the rule. But here's the thing, folks, Golden Tate never
had the ball in his hands. Yep, Okay, Jennings did.
It's an interception. It's an interception at the end of
the game, Packers win until this, until this is the
refs its touchdown Giants. You saw that meme right, yeah,

(02:20:08):
where it's just like touchdown Giants Giants. Yeah, they don't
know where they are, they don't know who's playing, they
don't know what the hell's going on here.

Speaker 3 (02:20:19):
It's a home run for the New Jersey Devils. Yeah,
Giants win the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:20:24):
They don't know. They don't know anything. Gryffindor wins. They
don't know anything. I guess I said, they don't know
what the hell they're doing. They don't know where the
hell they are.

Speaker 3 (02:20:35):
Let me ask you this, and I know that this
is still especially after rewatching this game, it's a sensitive
see what you want, I know what you get. Where
would you rank this for Russell Wilson's greatest game of
all time? Like, where does this rank for his greatest
games of all time?

Speaker 1 (02:20:51):
No, it doesn't rank up there.

Speaker 3 (02:20:52):
You wouldn't put this even though it's a win. Technically
he's a comedy of errors. Okay, but this kind of
launched his career Like this was like rookie season. This
was one of the biggest wins of the season.

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
For him. So the Packers they're walking off, right. I
remember there was a time. I remember there was a time.
It was the Patriots and the Dolphins in two thousand.
Dave Wanstet was the head coach. I remember, go ahead
the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (02:21:22):
I forget exactly what happened, but the Dolphins ended up
walking off the field and the Patriots still had to
kick the extra point.

Speaker 1 (02:21:28):
No, it was the other way around, Dolphins. Dolphins won
the game. I thought there was a had to get
back on the field.

Speaker 3 (02:21:35):
Yeah, but wasn't there a time when the Patriots That
happened to the Patriots too. I'm pretty sure they just
walked into the end zone like they gave Adham Vanitarry
the ball and he walked in.

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
That was against Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (02:21:45):
Oh, so I was thinking of the wrong game. I
don't know the game you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:21:51):
Then Dave won in two thousand. The Dolphins had to
get back on the field because they had won a game, right,
but I guess they had to kick the extra of
Dave wan Stett had to get all his guy because
they were all taking to take all their all their
their clothes off. I was like, no, please keep your
clothes on.

Speaker 3 (02:22:09):
Okay, just put anybody out there and hike the ball and.

Speaker 1 (02:22:14):
Just get it. Yeah, get it over with. And that's
why it's called the fail Mary.

Speaker 3 (02:22:26):
So now Gruden's going into depth on all the bad calls,
not even just that.

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
Yep, I can't do it, tragic, Well, I don't know
about that. Again, Tate pushes off. Yeah, that's a penalty
rate there, so that's pass interference. And also he doesn't
have the ball in his hands. What are we doing?

(02:22:57):
It's so obvious too, as Jerry Austin comes back in
to talk to Mike Trico about the ordeal here twenty twelve, right, yes,
week three.

Speaker 3 (02:23:08):
This, Yeah, before this, Yeah, touchdowns weren't reviewed. I'm pretty
sure like nowadays, when you score, every touchdown is reviewed. Yes,
I'm pretty sure. At this time that wasn't a thing.
And I think this was one of the reasons why
that happened. Why they changed that rule was because after

(02:23:29):
this they were like, it doesn't matter if you have
a challenge or not. All touchdowns will be reviewed, all
scoring plays.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
Now, Pete Carroll, this is we're not going to see
this again. You know when we do the rest of
these playback games. The Halloween Horse Bowl between the Colts
and the Broncos Halloween nineteen eighty eight. I think or seven.
We're not seeing this.

Speaker 3 (02:23:53):
No, this is a one, a once in a lifetime NFL. Yes,
because the NFL will never let this happen again. It'll
it'll never happen again.

Speaker 1 (02:24:04):
How many weeks later do they all come together and
say no, no, come back on the field. I actually
wanted a Seahawks mask. I want to know how long
that's actually funny? Look at this? What does the Seahawks logos?
What's his name? Anyway? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (02:24:19):
No, I don't screech. Hold on, I'll find out. Fail
Mery the Seahawks mascot.

Speaker 1 (02:24:25):
Yeah, the Seattle Seahawks. Yeah, Oh my gosh. And yet again,
sideline reporting continues to be useless. This one stings siege.
I don't ever want to relive it ever again. But
there you have it, folks. The fail Mary game from

(02:24:48):
twenty twelve Week three. Back in September of twenty twelve,
the Green Bay Packers controversially lose to the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
And it says, this is again Google AI just giving
me a quick response. The NFL used replacement officials for
the first three weeks of the season in twenty twelve
before the deal reached an end. The referee lockout ended
on September twenty six, twenty twenty twelve. Yeah, twenty twelve,

(02:25:18):
thank you, a labor dispute that lasted about three months.
The inexperienced replacement officials, poor performance and controversial calls, most
notably in the Fail Mary game, ultimately led to increasing
public criticism and the pressure to finalize an agreement. So
this was the final game with replacement refs. Yes, because
it's the end of week three. This is Monday night football.

Speaker 1 (02:25:39):
Yes, this ended it before Thursday Night football.

Speaker 3 (02:25:41):
So this was the final game that they had before
the refs came back. Like, the NFL saw this and
they were like, what if we done there?

Speaker 1 (02:25:51):
Back then you had social media see everything.

Speaker 3 (02:25:55):
Oh yeah, this was like the not the start of
social media, but this was like when it was getting
into like the animal it is now. It was evolved
to the next level essentially, And I just it's it's
crazy because think about if you're a ref, like one
of the regular refs, like a geen sterritor, Yeah, who

(02:26:17):
was reffing at the time, You're probably loving this, like
Jean's territor probably has.

Speaker 1 (02:26:23):
There's a lot of meat on There's a lot of
meat on the bone.

Speaker 3 (02:26:25):
He's probably got the fail Mary like saved on tape
because he's like, that was the day I got paid.

Speaker 1 (02:26:29):
I think former President Obama did too, because again he's
a Bears guy, so watching the Packers go through this
was probably very satisfying his maryor he was president at
the time in twenty twelve. Yes, if you want to
check the Seahawks mascot.

Speaker 3 (02:26:41):
Oh, yes, I'll look it up. Sorry, I was looking
up the.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
Even though I think he has a share. If you
remember when when the Packers won the Super Bowl over
the Steelers, Aaron Rodgers personally gave President Obama at the
time a packer's share, or at least a paper of
a packer's share. So this is.

Speaker 3 (02:26:59):
Like the new mascot. His name, I think it's the
same bird, but it's like an updated. Look, his name
is Blitz. Okay, but they also have a live aguar
hawk ye who's named Tod Todd. Let me see Tim

(02:27:19):
Tayama like they have time, Timo, they have all actual
Blitz debut in nineteen ninety eight, it's a blue and
green bird character, so it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:29):
Is the same. It's blitz. Okay, okay, word that does it.
That's unbelievable, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (02:27:37):
The fail Mary one of the most interesting games in
sports history.

Speaker 1 (02:27:41):
Jennings had the ball, the playback. We're looking back on
the controversial ending, the whole game essentially of that twenty
twelve fail Mary Monday night football game between the Green
Bay Packers and the Seattle Seahawks, controversially won by the
Seahawks fourteen to what twelve?

Speaker 3 (02:28:01):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
Yes, fourteen to twelve and the best bet award here.
Now that we're on the aftermath, you're gonna look at
your bookie hat and what do you got?

Speaker 3 (02:28:11):
So yeah, I'm thrown on the book he hat. I
dug up the betting lines from twenty twelve. I was
able to find them for you. So going into this,
the Packers were NFC contenders, but because Seattle was home,
it kind of swayed the lines a little. So let
me start you off with the money line the Packer
going The Packers going into this were favorites. They were
minus one sixty Seahawks at plus one thirty five, So

(02:28:34):
definitely some underdogs. I think people still unsure about Russell
Wilson at the time. Mattie Flynn was supposed to be
the starter, and then of course Russell Wilson comes.

Speaker 1 (02:28:43):
In steals the job in training camp.

Speaker 3 (02:28:45):
By the way, not a lot of people were sure
what they were gonna get yet with Russell Wilson. So
obviously Aaron Rodgers, this is what we were saying. It's
prime Rogers, yes, like compare like how he looks in
this to now. It's like big difference.

Speaker 1 (02:29:01):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:29:01):
So Packers obviously were the favorites here minus one sixty
for green Bay, plus one thirty five for the Seahawks.
On the spread, I've got minus three for green Bay
at minus one ten, and then I've got the Seahawks
at plus three for minus one ten.

Speaker 1 (02:29:20):
So they just needed to win within three or what
was the over under for points?

Speaker 3 (02:29:24):
The over under for points was forty four and a half.

Speaker 1 (02:29:27):
Yeah, you weren't going to get.

Speaker 3 (02:29:28):
Not even yeah, So the over was minus one oh
five and the under was minus one fifteen. The under
would obviously be the guarantee there, but looking.

Speaker 1 (02:29:39):
At all of it over under again, the.

Speaker 3 (02:29:41):
Over under forty four and a half points it was
minus one oh five for the over, minus one fifteen
for the under. The guarante, Like, the best bet, let's
just get right to it, would be the Seahawks money
line plus one thirty five.

Speaker 1 (02:29:57):
Now, did the Seahawks really win this game? Right? Won
the game? Right? So?

Speaker 3 (02:30:03):
I think I think in theory, yes, the money line
would be the best bet, But I think your safest
bet would have been the under.

Speaker 1 (02:30:12):
What are you thinking?

Speaker 3 (02:30:13):
Where would you have put your money here? Probably just
going into it blind. I had the Packers obviously, so
you would have taken the pack But would you have
felt more comfortable going with the under on the points,
like instead of putting money on the money line, because
I feel like that's like, yeah, like we it's a
very defensive game going into this, like and you don't

(02:30:33):
know if Russ is going to be uh, you know,
slinging the ball that much, like you don't know how
the gold. But they've got Marshaan, you know, like they're running.

Speaker 1 (02:30:45):
It's a running game. It's a running team.

Speaker 3 (02:30:47):
Both of these teams, though, were like the Packers were
good on both sides of the ball, but the Seahawks
here were really dominant on the defensive side.

Speaker 1 (02:30:57):
Coming into their own as the legion of Booms.

Speaker 3 (02:30:59):
So like, I think this would have been like you
would have expected it to have been a defensive game
going into it, So that would have been my best bet,
would have been the under on the points.

Speaker 1 (02:31:06):
I think you agreed. Yes, the worst athletic moment, what
went terribly wrong, a choke, a collapse, or just playing
bad luck. Russ's rollouts were not the smoothest.

Speaker 3 (02:31:14):
I thought you were gonna say the interception would.

Speaker 1 (02:31:16):
Have been the h That's not an athletic moment, you
know what I mean. I mean, I get it, but
we're just looking at the game itself. Yeah, Russ's rollouts
were not the smoothest. Now, it took a couple of
years for him to really kind of get a feel
for that. And again he was a rookie, I get that.
And he won the job out in training camp, not
the games, training camp. Being drafted by out of Wisconsin,

(02:31:40):
he had played for North Carolina State earlier. At the
time it was drafted by the Colorado Rockies. He had
a chance to play baseball and ended up playing, of
course in North Carolina for State for a couple of years,
then going out to Wisconsin. This is pre transfer portal,
by the way, folks. But Russ's rollouts were not the
smoothest and at times it would show because he would

(02:32:00):
end up getting sacked or hurried as well with some
not great throws. Especially in the second half, the Packers
looked like they had figured him out.

Speaker 3 (02:32:08):
Yes, well, that's the thing is like the pack the
pack had like a good defense. That's what was shocking
at the beginning of the game is you know you
had Woodson who was on that defense, a j Hawk,
Clay Matthews.

Speaker 1 (02:32:19):
We talked about it.

Speaker 3 (02:32:20):
They had bj Raji, they had a ton of help
on that defense, and it's like where were they in
the first half. And then by the second half it
felt like Russ couldn't get anything going and it seemed
like they had finally locked down that offense. But my
worst athletic moment, this one was huge, is Donald Driver
dropping a touchdown, like a wide open touchdown like no

(02:32:45):
one Like a tree could have fallen in the woods
and the only person that would have known would have
been Donald Driver because.

Speaker 1 (02:32:51):
That's settle all places Timber.

Speaker 3 (02:32:53):
That's how alone he was in the end zone and
he made a great effort trying to catch it afterwards,
But you think back, like he misses that catch, right,
they go for three instead of kicking seven. The Packers
end up losing this game. If they make that touchdown,
there's a good chance they win. It doesn't even matter
if Russ gets that Hail Mary opportunity or not. And

(02:33:14):
it's just frustrating with a player like Donald Driver. Like
if I was a Packers fan, I would have been like, man,
what are you doing? Like it was supposed to be
one of the most reliable guys in the league.

Speaker 1 (02:33:23):
Donald Driver.

Speaker 3 (02:33:25):
Obviously, I was about to say on the back half
of his career because he made his name with FARV.
But you know, it's not like Aaron Rodgers isn't a
good quarterback right or not putting it in the spot
where it needed to be.

Speaker 1 (02:33:37):
It was right in his hands.

Speaker 3 (02:33:38):
So I just thought that was very uncharacteristic of Driver.

Speaker 1 (02:33:41):
The peak physical Specimen award who looked like the ultimate
athlete and physique and endurance dominance. Who you got?

Speaker 3 (02:33:47):
I got Aaron Rodgers. This is peak Aaron Rodgers. So
I feel like, without a doubt, it has to be him.
I mean, yeah, Russ looks good, here, But like you said,
he got sacked. Obviously, Rodgers gets sacked seven times in
the first time, but that's not necessarily his fault. Like
a lot of those plays. Think about that, you know,
we're just talking about the worst athletic moment. Think about

(02:34:08):
that rollout that he had that he threw to Jermichael
Finley on like a third and like fifteen, Like what
a play that was to keep the drive going. And
that's the type of athleticism that we don't see from
Rogers now. And that's not to be yeah, not to
take anything off of him, you know, like he was.

Speaker 1 (02:34:24):
He's going to be my age this December.

Speaker 3 (02:34:26):
He's a three time MVP, you know, like he's one
of the greatest quarterbacks, a guaranteed Hall of Famer, Like
he will go to the Hall of Fame no.

Speaker 1 (02:34:32):
Matter how much conspiracy theories in Hyahuasca. He's consumed, right, it's.

Speaker 3 (02:34:36):
Not like he's never he's never done anything necessarily like
to tarnish his name, regardless of you know, how the
media paints him now, it's like he hasn't done any
twenty twenty. But even then, it's not he hasn't done anything,
like you know that could get him canceled essentially, is
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:34:54):
He kind of did and when he was on Joe
Rogan's podcast, But it's not going to hurt his Hall
of Fame chance. That's what I'm saying. It's not anything like.

Speaker 3 (02:35:02):
I don't want to even bring up negative news, but like, uh,
what happened with like Roberto what is it Roberto Alama?

Speaker 1 (02:35:08):
Robbie Alamo?

Speaker 3 (02:35:09):
Yeah, like in that whole situation that came out after
it obviously he's already in the Hall.

Speaker 1 (02:35:13):
But that's that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:35:15):
Though, Rogers doesn't have that type of situation where it
would like, oh, like the writers would basically be like,
we're not going to vote this guy in correct, He's
gonna make the.

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
Hall of Fame. He's gonna have voters, He's going to
have his detractors. Yeah, don't get me wrong, He's gonna
have his detractors. But again, when we look at the
Baseball Hall of Fame voting as opposed to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame voting, which one do we look
at way more than the other? Baseball? Ye? Sure, yes,
we talked about each euro being one vote short of unanimous.
Do we ever say that in football, No, we never do.

Speaker 3 (02:35:45):
No one cares how many people you vote. It's like
you either make it or you don't.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
Kind of in football, it's just totally different. Yeah, different things,
totally different. But this is Yeah. So to get to
the point, Rogers is the peak, same year, a rod
in his prime. Right here, Aaron Rodgers number twelve, getting
it done until the refs had other plans. They stole
the game. Yeah that's right. Best sports nickname? Who the
most legendary nickname?

Speaker 3 (02:36:08):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (02:36:09):
All the above? Was it awesome? Hilarious, perfect, perfectly fitting?
You know what mine is? Right? Beast mode?

Speaker 3 (02:36:15):
Okay, you're going with beast mode. I thought you were
gonna do Lisa past the Saltaries. Please, No, it's got
to be beast mode. Or I don't think Russ had
like a nickname at the moment other than mister Wilson, Like, yeah,
he wouldn't become like what's his he's got? Like what
did he become like mister incredible?

Speaker 1 (02:36:32):
Is like?

Speaker 3 (02:36:32):
Or didn't he come out give himself like a nickname
when he went to New York or something? I forget,
Like he did like a commercial and I thought he
called himself, like you know, mister perfect or mister incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:36:43):
Or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:36:44):
It wasn't like, uh, you know, full of himself kind
of moment. But it's just like it was almost like
one of those Shack nicknames whenever Shack would go to Shactice, Yeah,
or like shacka Chusetts.

Speaker 1 (02:36:55):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, like, yes, nobody remembers the Shack.
No that was people don't want to remember. Well they don't.
That's another thing they don't want to.

Speaker 3 (02:37:01):
But no, it's got to go probably to beast Mode.
I'm the dude is known as beast Yes, like he
that he created an.

Speaker 1 (02:37:10):
Earthquake he did when against the Saints. Yes, absolutely, like
that earth literally shook, Yeah, like he. I felt it,
and that was three thousand miles away. It was a
beast quake. And yes, it was only only beast Mode
could creep. I felt it. Like whenever Shane Bieber pitched
for the for Cleveland, it was Bieber Fever. Yes, exactly,
not anyone else. Best Mike work Award who talked to talk, interviews,

(02:37:32):
trash talk or sound bites. Mike Turrico is the best.
Yeah now and he's going to be calling the super
Bowl this year for NBC. I'm very this is when
he played for, this is what played for. This is
when he was with ESPN. Remember he was with es
ME for a long time.

Speaker 3 (02:37:45):
I know, I so, I obviously went to school for sportscasting.

Speaker 1 (02:37:49):
I like to Dan Patrick show not too long ago,
you saw it hurt on on on BET this.

Speaker 3 (02:37:56):
I like to you know, I have commentators that I
like to support and follow, you know, every every every
edition of the playback, I always talk about al Michaels
essentially try to compare, well.

Speaker 1 (02:38:09):
Who replaced al Michaels Mike t Rico on Monday Night Football.
Al Michaels was traded from esp or ABC for Disney
to NBC for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. Yeah, yeah, fun fact,
there it is, and al Michaels called NBC. Here's the thing,
this is the great this is what I Urico's literally

(02:38:31):
just trailing al Michaels. He just replaces al Michaels and everything. Yeah,
he replaced him on Monday Night Football because Sunday Night
Football and NBC would be Michaels and Madden for a time,
Michaels and then Chris Collinsworth for a time who replaces
Al Michaels on Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 3 (02:38:50):
Mike Terrico, Mike ta Rico. I like, I like Mike Terico. He,
by the way, when I was in school, out of
all the industry professionals reached out and like sent us
videos or gave us tips. Yeah, we got more like
videos from Mike Turrico, and he talked about like he's
just more of a down to earth like not that

(02:39:11):
almost all the people that gave tips to us in school,
Mike Turrico, Scott van Pelt, people like that. Like those
two specifically are very down to earth and like gave
some of the best like tips for someone wanting to
break into the industry. Huge respect for both sv pople

(02:39:32):
and Mike.

Speaker 1 (02:39:32):
Where does Mike Rico go to college? Was he A?
He wasn't a Syracuse guy was Syracuse? And where DIDs
you know? We're SVP? He never stops shutting up about it.

Speaker 3 (02:39:42):
I don't know if I MA, I was gonna say,
I know, he's a he's like a what is the
term for people there, it's the the d M V
the Yeah, he's like a d M.

Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
Delaware, Maryland, Virginia. The d M v Yeah, District or. Yeah,
he's like a DC guy. I know, he's a well
he's he's Baltimore. Yeah, like he's like the don't call
him at Baltimore on I don't want you to do that. No, no, no,
I have too much respect for SVP. But he called
Ripkin of Baltimore on Billy Ripkin. I keel kidding, just kidding.

Speaker 3 (02:40:10):
But yeah, Tarrico and SVP, great guys, Turco great here.

Speaker 1 (02:40:15):
I loved a couple of years ago he did the
Olympics for NBC. Yeah, NBC's had the Olympics since nineteen
ninety two.

Speaker 3 (02:40:21):
I want to say, and I'm glad that he's with
NBCNBC honestly, out of a lot of the broadcasts that
are on the air, ABC, NBC, all those three letter networks,
four letter networks whatever they are now.

Speaker 1 (02:40:32):
Well, at this time, he was four letter network and
he was their long tenured. He was there in the
nineties during the Sports Center at its peak era, trying
to get NBA, trying to get NFL had Major League Baseball,
but he had no part of that, right, so but
he had an end.

Speaker 3 (02:40:47):
Yeah, he broke into into football and now he's just
like I said Olympics, all sports.

Speaker 1 (02:40:51):
And college football as well before that, NBA before that,
but Mike Turico getting it done there for Monday Night Football,
Monday Night Mike essentially, Yes, coolest Moment Award, the absolute chillest,
sickest moment. Uh, there's no there is no cool moment.
There's no cool moment here. Okay, those replacement referees robbed

(02:41:13):
the joy of a cool moment. You know. The cool
moment would have been a pickoff from Jennings the game. Uh,
this is tough. The coolest moment, I'm putting it in
big letters. None, zero, zilch, nada. The coolest moment for
me A lot of times I've had a girl zero.
It's tough. I've I don't know if there really is one.

(02:41:36):
I mean other than like, I don't know, it's tough.
The mascot from the bird, I feel like he's doing
the mascot's doing the.

Speaker 3 (02:41:48):
The coolest moment might be the interception that never was.
That's not a cool mind, I know, That's what I'm saying.
I feel like everything got robbed by it. Not just
like because I'm not a I'm not a Seahawks or
a Packers fan, like I had no skin in the game, Like,
I don't really care that the Packers lost. I don't
care that the Seahawks won. Like, but it's frustrating because, yes,

(02:42:10):
the final if this happened to the Eagles, oh, I
would have been obviously frustrated, you know, like I would
have felt differently.

Speaker 1 (02:42:15):
But obviously the final play was a sham. It was
a joke. Whatever the reason why the referees got back
to the game, it's not even that.

Speaker 3 (02:42:22):
It's like every other good play got called back.

Speaker 1 (02:42:25):
Tons of flags. Yeah, like it wasn't just you were
like swall the whistles boys. Yeah, let them play play
the game. Yes, see, they're not replacement players. They need
this game more than you do. I'm gonna go to
a replacement officials. I'm gonna go none as well. Okay.
I feel like.

Speaker 3 (02:42:41):
The interception that I'm thinking of when Ruscott, like there
was a roughing the passer called or whatever on him.

Speaker 1 (02:42:46):
Yes, and like the third or fourth quarter, in the
third quarter.

Speaker 3 (02:42:48):
Yeah, when it because that would have changed the game.
If the Packers got that they had just gone down
and scored. Yeah, they could have had another chance to
go down and score. They were on like the thirty
yard line by where that interception was like thirty or
thirty five, and it's all gone to waste just because
the refs through a ticki taki call?

Speaker 1 (02:43:04):
Does it? Did it age well? Looking back? Does it
hold up? It does? Know why? Why? This is what
referees should not do. This is a tutorial right here.
This is of what you don't do as a football refereence.

Speaker 3 (02:43:16):
What do they call it those industry films or whatever,
like when like it's an instructional video.

Speaker 1 (02:43:22):
It's an instructural video of what not to do for refs.

Speaker 3 (02:43:25):
It's like today we're going to learn how to call
a football game and it just cuts to a ref
like imitating the ref touchdown giants.

Speaker 1 (02:43:34):
No, I see, I agree that you.

Speaker 3 (02:43:37):
I like that you said that because I was gonna
say no, because obviously this is what football should never be.

Speaker 1 (02:43:43):
Meme culture essentially in sports progressed because of this game.

Speaker 3 (02:43:47):
Yeah, so it's I get that. I originally want to
say no, but I'll go with yes.

Speaker 1 (02:43:52):
I like your take.

Speaker 3 (02:43:53):
I think that it is an instructional way on how
football should not be played. I think it's a great
example on not how football should not be played, But
how refs should call games, not just for football either, but.

Speaker 1 (02:44:06):
For all sports. What not to do as a ref?

Speaker 3 (02:44:09):
Yeah, like if you're an umpire in baseball or ref
and basketball or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (02:44:14):
With the technology that we have today, the ability with
this is twenty twelve, the technology is even better. Right,
hard to believe, right.

Speaker 3 (02:44:23):
But it's just you know, the ability with instant replay,
being able to go back and look.

Speaker 1 (02:44:28):
At things like make the right call.

Speaker 3 (02:44:31):
Like nowadays, like umps, refs whatever they are, like they
know to like wait a second before you make a decision.

Speaker 1 (02:44:37):
In the NBA. Yeah, like you, especially in the NBA, like.

Speaker 3 (02:44:40):
You want to like like take as much time as
you need. I understand that fans will get upset, but
just take your time because you want to make the
right call, because if you don't, you'll be remembered more
for making the wrong call than the right one. Yeah,
And not to transition, but I think it's a good
spot to transition. This is the playback the aftermath that
pretty much wraps it up. I know this is where

(02:45:02):
Jay Dog normally would wrap it up, and I'm still
gonna let him do that. But we're talking about uh,
textbook of what not to do. We got playbacks on
the way in the future we're going to be potentially
doing the imperfect game at some point we are in
MLB uh, you know, down the down the slate.

Speaker 1 (02:45:17):
But no, we will. We're nearing that in either September
or October week.

Speaker 3 (02:45:21):
I just thought that was a good a good transition,
you know, a good talk about bad Jim Joyce, some
bad call, that's that's gonna be a bad call.

Speaker 1 (02:45:28):
Referees names no, because it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant Jim Joyce
pretty relevant since he was a long tenured umpire or
much like Angel Hernandez or a who else, Oh, Joe
West Country, Joe I forgot about Joe West. West was
never the best. No, and he knows that. Yeah, I
think he knows I used to.

Speaker 3 (02:45:47):
I honestly, everyone complained about Angel her like like all
of the MLB world complains about Angel Hernandez every.

Speaker 1 (02:45:56):
Like all players. Yeah, there's not a time where like, no, he.

Speaker 3 (02:45:59):
Was good, but Joe like honestly, like I never, like
all my friends complained about Angel Hernandez, but I always
think about Joe West.

Speaker 1 (02:46:05):
But I'm thinking about Bad Country. Joe West thought people
came to see him. He used to frustrate me. You
weren't the only one.

Speaker 3 (02:46:15):
But yeah, dog, what do we got on in store
for everyone down the down the pace?

Speaker 1 (02:46:19):
He said the word again, slap your wrist. Okay, that
was your hand, but that's close enough. Don't slap your
slap your hand. There you go. Oh we have classic
Monday night football games continuing, not controversial as this, and
that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:46:38):
Yes, I don't think we'll ever have another playback as
controversial as this, but we'll see.

Speaker 1 (02:46:42):
Because there there are some big ones. There's some big
ones down the line. The Improbable Bobbles coming to a
uh A podcast near you. The two thousand game between
the Packers and the Viking. He said, the Babble. That's
a great name that was, That's what it was called.

Speaker 3 (02:46:56):
That might get he did what that might get the
best nick name award just for the name of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:47:01):
The name of the game.

Speaker 3 (02:47:02):
Honestly, while we're at it, By the way.

Speaker 1 (02:47:04):
I want to call the fail Mary the best I
might instead of the beast Mode.

Speaker 3 (02:47:07):
Yeah, because Phil, I'll tell Marshawn Lynch that fail Mary
is like, there's only one fail Mary. There's only one
beastmo too, but direct there could be future Beast modes.
I guess there could be only one Marshawn Lynn. There's
only one fail Mary right now. Like that's that's a
very iconic. Let's keep it that way exactly. I'd like
to keep it that way.

Speaker 1 (02:47:26):
We've got six games of the nineteen ninety five World
Series knife clearly right into my heart, except the games
Cleveland wins, which is only two. Also nineteen seventy five
Game six World Series, the Cincinnati Reads the Boston Red Sox.
If it stays fair home run, we're going to have
that for you right on October twenty first, by the way,

(02:47:49):
which will mark fifty years to the day that had happened.
We're going to have that for you. John Cena's last
match is approaching in December, and we're going to have
one of his classic matches as we say Ovoa to
mister John Cena. We can't see him, but we're gonna
try to remember him as she calls it quits after
a storied wrestling career. That's gonna be coming up in December.

(02:48:12):
We've got the imperfect game coming and folks, I'm a
little closer I want you to hear this. Okay, we're
going to have the the elimination game between Team USA
and USSR from nineteen eighty one of the We're gonna

(02:48:33):
have that in December. One of the greatest sports, the
Miracle on Ice. We're gonna have the Miracle on Ice
for you. We're gonna have that for you. We're still
looking for Caitlin Clark's first game. She's got a new
logo for Nike that you saw at the end of August. YEP,
that's great for her. The new line is going to
be coming out. That's great for her. I bet the
Fever are excited that she's branding out.

Speaker 3 (02:48:54):
They're gonna maybe she can bring in some revenue, get
her get more fans into the stadium.

Speaker 1 (02:48:59):
Here's the thing about that. Revenue is up as are
as are again. Attendants is up in the WNBA. No,
I know, the ratings on the other hand, not so much.
They've got to address that in twenty twenty five, twenty
twenty well, they've got to address that for twenty twenty six.
You know what else they have to address. They've got
a potential lockout coming when the season comes to a close.

Speaker 3 (02:49:20):
Yeah, they're not the only ones too. In the future
on the horizon with a lockout.

Speaker 1 (02:49:24):
We'll keep that in mind as the time approaches for siege.
I'm jayog that does it. I'm gonna I guess I'll
take us home.

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Speaker 3 (02:50:39):
It's been a good one. I'm excited. Lots of playback
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