The Playback #25---Monday Night Football Classics---Minnesota Vikings at Green Bay Packers---2000

The Improbable Bobble took place in November of 2000, as the Green Bay Packers hosted the rival Minnesota Vikings.  Classic Monday Night Football rolls on The Playback!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is a production of the Pulse podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In this edition of the Playback, Jay Dog and c
J look back on the Improbable Babo. The Minnesota Vikings
battled the Green Bay Packers on November sixth, two thousand
from lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
We had a rivalry the week before this, not geographically though,
because I know again the Cowboys and the Eagles they
do play in the same division. However, though, if you're
going from a geographical standpoint, you don't have that. You
have that here. You have Green Bay, Wisconsin and Minneapolis, Minnesota.
They're basically neighboring states.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, they're pretty much neighboring cities. It feels like they're
right next to each other. The two teams have a
historic rivalry, obviously leaning more towards the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
The Packers number one rivals the Bears because they've played longest. Yeah,
but the Vikings and the Lions are right up there.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yes, I feel like the NFC North and correct me
if I'm wrong. You're an NFC North North fan, But
in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
East, I wrou for a team in the NFC North.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
The NFC East has rivalries all throughout. But I feel
like the Cowboys rivalry is so intense that it kind
of drains out the other ones, Like Eagles fans. If
you ask them, most of them would probably say it's
the Cowboys. Some of them would probably say the Giants.
But then it's like, do we even consider the Commanders

(02:00):
to be a rival at this point? It hasn't really
been competitive until right until as of recent and I
feel like even with the Packers dominating for the you know,
past twenty years, essentially we've had a couple of years
here and here and here and there, excuse me, where
the Bears stepped up and you know made the super

(02:21):
Bowl that one year against the Colts.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
In the two thousand and six season. Yeah, and that
was kind of a geographic if you think about Indianapolis, Chicago,
both Midwestern cities.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
But so basically, I feel like the the thing I'm
trying to get at is the NFC North. It doesn't
matter what two teams are playing. I feel like it's
always competitive in this division. It's not like that in
like an AFC South, where it's like, you know, thes
aren't bad. Yeah, like you're not watching the Titans and
Texans where it's two teams that are struggling to just
get through the game. The NFC North is legacy football,

(02:54):
great teams all the time. Even when the Lions were
at their own sixteen lowest two thousand and eight, when
they were when they were performing at their worst, it
was still competitive games between the Packers.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Maybe not the Packers and the Lions that way.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
But I believe to your point, I believe, Actually I
believe because I was Aaron Rodgers first year as a
starter was eight, right, I believe it actually was competitive
because again, Rogers was essentially a rookie. I'm putting that
in quotation marchin.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, he was like what his third year, this third
year in as a similar to.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Just sitting behind and right. So and with that, the
Lions didn't lose. Again, they lost every game, but they
were not routed every game. No, there were competitive I
believe in Green Bay that was a competitive I've got
to look back on that, yes, but I've got a yeah.
And you've got Dennis Miller wearing a Monday night football hat.
He's repping the team. I guess it's a rainy night

(03:49):
in lambeau Field. In November of two thousand siege And
you know what, I missed this game.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Did you? I did.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I had a test to take and I was super
nervous about it. At Conquered High School the next day,
I took the test fresh as a daisy, not knowing
if the Vikings were going to beat the Packers or
it was going to end in a tie.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Dennis Miller pulling out a puppet here. I was excited
for this one. Even as a child. I wasn't allowed
to stay up for it. But yeah, love football. One
of my first jerseys I've told you before. I think
like the first jersey I ever got, Yeah, from like
a Kmart back in the day or something beast when
Kmart was around was a It was an Antonio Freeman. Yeah,

(04:28):
Jersey Green Bay Packer who we're going to see more.
You're gonna you're gonna hear about him, for sure, Yes,
Brett Farv. I'm excited to see him sling it today.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
This is two thousand. The Packers barely missed the playoffs.
I was really starting to believe in them because they
had missed the playoffs in ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Talk about competitiveness, like in the in the competition between
these two teams, John Jahn Randall on defense, uh.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
The and there's Antonio Freeman making the Cats.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Antonio Freeman. He's not a Hall of Famer. Oh yeah,
I was gonna say not a big enough career.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
No far made you. You know, Ammon Green became a
Packers legend. He became I still he might be the
all time leading rusher in Packers history. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
He might be. Is that is that Bubba Franks?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Bubba Franks? You know your Packers?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I do know a lot of the Packers were in
primetime a lot TV all the time. Yeah. When Farv
was at the Helm, it was Monday night football was
Farre's thing.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
It felt like.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Or just five I mean yeah, prime time for real.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Because in two thousand the main Fox team was Pat
Summerl and John Madden. So this is the first year
of Dan of L, Michaels, Dan Fouts, and Dennis Miller
one of only two years. Dante Culpepper is the starter
for the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
And this is Randy Moss.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yes on the team, Carter, this is that was that
was really the The offense was just pretty much those
three the running back puma.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
There you go wearing a pumager.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
That's why the running back for Minnesota. I forget who
it was at the time, but Robert.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Smith the Ohio State University.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
He was He was good. You know, I've consistent. He
was consistent, right, I was gonna say, he's not anything crazy.
The real offense was Chris Carter and Randy Moss, Dante
Culpepper two. Dante could Sling the rock at the time. Yeah,
he was cover of two thousand and one Madden NFL.
I believe was he Yeah, this was before the career.

(06:29):
It was no, I think it was two two. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
They didn't do well that year, oh two.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, so it was it was the Madden curse, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Could Pepper was drafted out.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Of Randy Moss laterals it to Chris Carter. Wow, I'm
not sure Central Florida really. By the way, can I
just say something real quick? Yeah, I love these Vikings uniforms,
you know, like the current ones. No, I don't like
the matt of the helmet. I like the way these

(07:04):
helmets look specific. I feel like the Viking horns look
really good on this like deeper purple, like it's almost
like a lighter purple because it's matt now, like just
the way the sheene almost hits it.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I hate the white pants. I hate them.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I don't really care.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I'm not maybe I should put in purple pants, which
can't my state. Nice statement. It's not really the uniform,
just the helmets. The helmets look really good here. I
really like these, like older style helmets. Chris Carter still
in his prime, so incredible. I often forgot about how
like because he was behind Randy Moss the guy.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Then Randy Moss comes along, it was still like.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Randy stole that like shine kind of if.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
You're catching three balls for one hundred and twenty five yards,
you're gonna get the lime last.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Okay, well that that first play they threw it out
to Randy on that slant or whatever. Not first play,
but the first catch that Randy got it looked like
that famous catch she has when he was at Marshall. Yeah,
when he hits that lock, he like hurdles that one
guy and runs the Vikings field.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
By the way, it's funny you mentioned that that video
that you that you were talking about the Vikings saw
then and said, let's make sure he doesn't go to
the Cowboys, And he didn't. The Cowboys looks like they
were gonna they were going to get him. The Cowboys
were gonna Getrandy Moss in nineteen ninety eight Straft. They didn't.
He falls to the Vikings and Minnesota. The career is made.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, his time in Minnesota was was something else but
video game numbers. What do you think was better? Obviously
he broke records in New England. Yeah, do you think
New England Randy's better or Minnesota? Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Because you're seeing him as that raw and again he
was mister consistency the Patriots. Him going over there was
just having a guy like Tom Brady throw it to him. Yeah,
he was just because again his career with the Raiders.
But he was still impressive in New England. Like he
he could cook defenders in New England again, but he
also had aterback who could lay it in his hand. Yes, yeah,
Whereas in Minnesota, his first year he has Randall Cunningham,

(09:05):
his second year he as Jeff George. This year he
has Dante Culpepper, and he has Culpeper through pretty much
the rest of his.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Minnesota Minnesota ten.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well, he does come back later on when Brett Farv
becomes the quarterback for I saw him. I saw Randy
Moss and the Minnesota Vikings in twenty ten with Brett
Farv against the New England Patriots with the Windshill on
Halloween of twenty ten. The game that I went to
in Halloween of twenty ten was colder flag is throwne

(09:37):
as Culpepper.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
He takes it to the house by the way, pending
the flag. Hate that the bug, like the bike's pack.
Come on men, GBP or gb okay. I like gb
I don't like GBP, I like I like, I like
just grim Bay Dennis Green. We are what we thought.
He it's a great one, a great sound by that's one.

(09:59):
Of course, that's when he co the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah,
because I believe is he fired in a one? I
think he is for Mike Tice, he's not fired after
this season because the Vikings actually get to the NFC
title game, they get routed by the Giants. There's that

(10:20):
infamous who was it, Todd Stucy.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
There's a famous Culpeper is like chewing out or like
is either chewing out Chris Carter or Randy Moss or
he's sitting in between them and is like and again
this is before memes. Yeah, it could be a meme.
I you know what I oh he was he was
lashing out. He's freaking out of That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
You know what I love about Dante Culpeper. One of
my favorite, like fun facts I learned about him. So
he played basketball? Where do you said, Florida? What UCF?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I'm assuming?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, yep, so he played basketball, yes, at UCF. And
his famous touchdown celebration where he rolls his hands that
is actually like the same thing as a travel call
in basketball, because when he played basketball, he got called
in like a championship game one time for a travel

(11:14):
yes and mocking it. Yeah, he mocked it and made
it his like touchdown celebration.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Gary Anderson one of the great kickers in the NFL history,
right down the middle. And this is what week? What
week ten?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, this is November of two thousand.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
So the uh Gary Anderson? I want to bring him
back up because we were just talking about him. Wasn't
he the all time points leader before Vinitari?

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Or wasn't he like the there was a record he
held like maybe it was like oldest kicker ever something
like that or oldest player ever.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Okay. There was some sort of record he broke back
in the day when he played for Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Most points in the season.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Maybe no.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
I also didn't know, but I believe I'm looking him
up right now.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Dwayne Rudd went to Alabama. He made the stop on
Farv and he got hurt in the process.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Did you know Gary Anderson was South African? Yes, I
didn't know that. Yep.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Let me see if I can find.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Farv gets up, Rudd doesn't. Rudd takes him down, but
Rudd's the one that gets the damage. That's a Mississippi
Alabama rivalry right there, Farv being from southern southern misssip.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
He Gary Anderson when he retired this is AI, so
take it with a grain.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Of absolutely wait till they refine AI.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
So it says Gary Anderson when he retired was the
all time leading scorer. He was the first or He's
known for having the record for the first perfect season
as a kicker, okay, where he went thirty five for
thirty five on field goals and fifty nine for fifty
nine pats.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That was in ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Oh you know what, Okay, funny you mentioned that. No, No,
you are correct because you know what happened in the
NFC title game, right, he missed one. Correct, the Falcons
got to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, and it was like it was like it was
like a under twenty yard kick or something. It was
like chip shot.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah. And yeah because the.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Bill Schrader, the announcer, that call is so that call
is so good when he misses the field goal because
he like misses it, and the announcer of the commentator,
he's just like, you can't do that. You can't do
you can't miss that.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
The radio call, yeah, because Matt Madden wouldn't have said that. No,
I forget because it was Madden that some are all
on Madden call.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Radio call is so good.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I think it was Paul al Uh Yeah for k
fan in Minneapolis.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
You can't miss that. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Amon Green becomes the running back because Doors gets hurt.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Gary Anderson, by the way, a couple more records. Yeah,
he held the record or I think holds the record
still for most consecutive games with a point of one
hundred and twenty two games, and then he finished his
career with five hundred and thirty eight field goals and
had a field goal percentage of eighty percent.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
This Minnesota Vikings defense is not not getting it done,
no so, and that's what really is that whole era
of the Vikings, that whole not dominance, but that.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Whole it was John Randall and no one else.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Randall McDaniel, Well, Randall McDaniel's offensive line. So like, yeah,
you're right, No, you're right.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
It was really John Randall on the Vikings defense and
they didn't really have anyone else to live up to it.
And again that's a lot of the time in the
NFL you see that with these top heavy offensive teams.
Look at the Cowboys this current season twenty twenty five,
right now, they have the number one offense, but they
also have.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
The number one defense, thirty second ranked defense, the number
one one to stop anybody.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, and that's like a lot of these times you
see teams. Coweys are a great example. You pay top
heavy offensive guys and you just leave the defensive side
wide open.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well they could have paid Micah Parsons.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yes, yes, but the Vices, I'm glad, Yes, of course,
I bet you are. The Eagles. There was like a
rumor that came out the Eagles tried to reach out
and make a deal, but it's like, there's no way
even if I was Howie or what do you expect
Jerry Jones to say when you call and be like, hey,

(15:33):
would you be willing to trade your number one defensive
player to your number one rival? No?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Okay, Philly is not Dallas's number one rival.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's not no problem. You're living in recency bias. Their
number one you know who their number one rival is?
San Francisco is not San Francisco. You can say Washington
is Washington.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
No, Washington doesn't have any rides followed.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
By the Giants than the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
So yes, in recent I am living in.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Going by recency buying, I know I am, But that's
still the Eagles have two Super Bowls in the past.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
They got less than ten years.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
They got to do this for twenty more years for
that to happen, and it's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, but I'm saying the Eagles have been beating the
Cowboys for twenty five years now.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
There's a few games where they've I mean, it's not
been twenty five years we've been it's been the Eagles
they've had. I remember in two thousands, look at Freeman,
look at this.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Oh yeah, uh, I remember in two thousand and six,
and we may do this next year, just get ready,
or no, actually we won't do that. One two thousand
and six, the Eagles had a chance to go to
the playoffs on Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
And they lost.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
And they lost to the Cowboys on Christmas, I believe,
or it was that that week of I'm sure you remember.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Wasn't it like a goal line? Like the line I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
If we're gonna get set?

Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, No, I just got so confused for a second. Yeah,
there's a ticker on the bottom of this feed that
we're watching.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Shout out to coach.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Coups by the way, coach cost the YouTube we're we're
checking in with today, it has like information on the
ticker on the bottom that is not concurrent with Like
I thought this was like two thousand's news. And then
I saw like number two overall pick cardson and I
was like, wait, what we're getting?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know we're getting again this happened in two thousand.
We're getting NFL network feed on it. Because this is
a classic game. Yeah, and a Monday Night Football Game
Classic MNF rolls on in two thousand again Dennis Miller's
first year. Dan Fouts's first year too on as Monday
Night Football. He did announcing before, but for Monday Night Football.
This is the first year with Al Michaels in two

(17:51):
thousand with these three guys. Yes, there's Mike Sherman, always
a what was it? What's that adage? Always a dollar short,
never a day late, but a dollar short was Mike Sherman.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
What do they say, isn't it like always the bridesmaid,
never the bride kind of deal.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, Sherman was a good coach, not a great coach.
Not a great coach.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, no, you guys, like the the Packers would wind
up getting some incredible coaches after Sherman, Like they would
get like Holgroom before, Yeah, but they would get like
they would have whole Groom then Ray Rhodes Roads was
only for one year, but they would I'm and then Sherman.

(18:31):
I'm just saying general, they would have like home Groom
as like one of their great legendary coaches, Sherman, and
then they would still wind up with Mike McCarthy and
then and like it's Lafleur out of all of those, honestly,
probably one of the worst. And it's not like he's bad,
it's just the other guys are very talented, better.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Than Sherman though his play callings better than Sherman.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, But did Sherman have better results than Lafleur?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Like, what has Maddie done?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
As has Matt Lafleur reached the NFC Championship yet? Yeah?
Three times? So yeah, hasn't.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Gotten there, hasn't gotten to the big game?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Correct? Sherm got there?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I think?

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Hold on?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Was he the coach in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
No, this is his first year.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Oh so he just missed the Super Bowl against the
Pats like a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Mike Sherman was a coordinator someplace else, so no, so again.
Ninety nine was Ray Rhodes. Yes, first African currently only
African American head coach in Green Bay Packers sister he
also coached your Philadelphia Eagles. So uh he got fired
after one year. NAACP sued by the way Sherham got

(19:51):
to Mike Sheran Again, Mike Sherman got to the NFC
Championship game. I want to say, let's see Oh no,
was that hold on?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
It was?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
It was the second round? Right, Yes, that was lost
to the second round. Okay, I'm just going by years here.
He never actually know what.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, I was gonna say, did he ever make the
Super Bowl or anything like that? Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Like, he never made that, never made to the NFC
Championship game. He got fired out better than German. Okay,
he got fired. He got fired after the I want
to say, oh, either O five season or oh six season.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
And you said Rhodes took over after him? No, like
you went right to McCarthy. Yeah, McCarthy was a good coach.
I don't care what anyone says.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
That's something you can get on board with.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Right, that might be me. That might be me holding
that sign up. You don't know that's you.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, Yeah, a little kid in Green Bay was coming.
You got to a Packers game before I did.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yeah, I already knew about this game.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Stub Hub. You got the stub hub. They had stub
Hub in two thousand.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
I found a scalper outside.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
No, you got a time machine, didn't she?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Marty.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I need you to we've gotta we've got to get
back to the DeLorean. We've gotta get to two thousand. Yeah,
go to a Packers game, Marty. We've got to get
to two thousand. Brett Favre's gonna put on an incredible
show in Green Bay. Lombo, I've got tickets.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Monday Night football.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
I don't know, Doc, I mean, I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Good. I can't do it, Marty. Yeah, one jigawatts what
he's like, Doc, I mean I don't I don't know, Doc.
I can't do it good, Marty, I'm gonna just embarrass
myself far of trying to thread the needle.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
There was it happening? Then see the night I love
this Nike on the on the jersey. This was the
final year, this two thousand season. Ryan long Well, there's
another blast from the past. Not long on here?

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Who is your kicker? After Longweller? Like what was your
oh well? Well, well, so.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
This must have been right before voting day.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
It looks like this before the election.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like right before everyone was voting. Yeah,
the cameraman, Hey, can we get out of this found footage?

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Like camera style here? Can we get on?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
They messed up on that they that they were going.
They were like producers like let's try an artistic look at.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
The game to are you scorse?

Speaker 3 (22:38):
So who is your Who is the Packers kicker? Oh?
Who is the Packers kicker?

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Not long well? But there was a long time.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Kicker you guys had for a while, the Packers Chris Jackie.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
It was after long well.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Greg Hendrick was the punter.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
So I need a cup Mason Crosby that, Yeah, I'm
thinking of Crosby.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
This is this is before Was Crosby after longwell?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Like the next case, I believe he was, because again,
the Rogers era is about ready to start in the
next few years. Of course mister Brett Lorenzo farre doesn't
know that. Yeah, despite trying to retire every year.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I know that was talk about memes didn't exist, that
would have been that's the meme is he was? He
was the invention of the meme pretty.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Much every single year of starting in ninety nine, he
was essentially saying, I may retire after this.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
He pretty much did that to get out of going
to training camp. It feels like like, is it a touchback? No,
it looks like it's a defensive touchdown. It is.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Russell Maryland. I have his starting lineup when he played
for the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Were those cheese puppet like hand puppets. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Did you. I'm surprised you didn't score a cheesehead when
you were out there.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I've never been to Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Oh that's right, went to you went to clean I'm clueless.
You got to get out to a game. We need
you to get I agree, we need to get you
in a cheesehead.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
No, what we need is we need to go to
New York. Right, we need to go to New York.
We need to talk to Tony Shellub. We need to say Tony,
you and me. You know, Jade Dogg and mister Monk
go to a Packers game. You're from there, you're a
season ticket holder. You visit family there often.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (24:39):
They did not rule it a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
They reversed the call. They called him a sack. They
called it a sack. See, this is tempers flaring. There's
one Viking with thirteen Packers.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
They're all they're all ganging up on them.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Hey shouts out to Randy for getting in there and
like helping his boy out.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Where Where did Russell Maryland go to college?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
The you with the Rock.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Where did Chris Carter go to college? Did you already
say that? Yes?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
No, I believe he went to the Ohio State University?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Really? Was he in the class with like? Uh, didn't
Terry Glenn go to the Ohio State?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Carter was way before that, was he?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yes? Yeah? When did Carter get drafted? Me? Look?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Okay, here we go. Yeah, who's gonna who's gonna take
the brunt of this penalty?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Mm?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Hm Green Bay a geinst the penalty?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Maybe not?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, the Ohio State University eighty four to eighty six.
Was drafted by the Eagles in eighty seven, So there
to eighty nine, and the Vikings from ninety to two
thousand and one, and the Dolphins in two thousand and two.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Gross the Dolphins to end your career.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, not with Dan Marino. Marino was gone by that.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
So who was the quarterback in two thousand and two?
Chad Pennington or no that he was just still with
the Jets.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
It might have been Brock, he word.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Brock?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Who it wasn't Jay Fiedler. You know where Jay Fieeddler
went to college?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
No, Dartmouth really yep, Miami Dolphins in two thousand and two. Ready,
what a gross team nine and seven. They kind of
had those seasons back then. Not too bad but not
too good.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
In two thousand and two. Yeah, I'm trying to think
of any that would have been on that team. It's
pre Ricky Williams. It's pre is Jason Taylor on that team. Yep,
Zach tail or j Yeah, Jason Taylor and Zach Taylor,
Jay Fiedler, Ray Lucas and Sage Rosenfels.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Sage rosen Fells.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Feedler started eleven games, Jay Lucas, Ray rather, Ray Lucas.
Excuse me, Ray Lucas started seven games. Six he started
six by the way, I Sange Rosenfels got to play,
he got garbage time, he got picked off. Uh, he
went oh for three on this So Sage Rosenfelts didn't
start any games.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Not to cut you off, God real quick. We forgot
to update. It's already the second quarter. We're kind of
flying through three to three. A little update on the score.
Mikes and packs continue, Vikes and packs, huh, Mikes and
pack the packs the packs yeah six packet Yeah, the
Old sixer one of my favorite movies at.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
The Ohio State Guy, the Ohio rob Smith, I have
a starting lineup.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Have I ever told you one of my favorite movies
is Dazed and Confused? Yes, And I love the scene
when they're at like the pool hall and one of
the guys walks up to the other. He walks up
to Mitch, the main character, who's like underage, and he's like,
He's like, Hey, we're going to the emporty.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I'm gonna grab.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
A couple of six ers. What do you think you
want to swing on through? And ever since then, just
the term sixers. Yeah, it's one of my favorite things
in the world. Grab sixer. You're gonna go grab a
pack a sixer? Flags coming in? What do you think
it's gonna be? Offense? Yeah, it's coming back.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Dolphins went three and oh to start two thousand and two,
beat the Lions, the Colts, the Jets lost to the
Chiefs in Kansas City beat the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I had someone tell me recently that the Chiefs were garbage.
Were when I was growing up, like the early two thousands,
and I I don't know about that. Trent Green he
was good, Priest Holmes was good.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Dante Hall their defense that's yeah, I guess so in
a way, Yeah, I guess Gunther Cunningham was the head
coach of the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, gun he.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Replaced he replaced already Schottenheimer, and then Gunther Cunningham right
then Dick vermil Then Herm Edwards.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Had some good coaches in Kansas City. Andy Reid is
now obviously the head coach. Some some good coaches on
the fork c Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Herm Edwards had clock management issues.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Though, Yeah, I still like her though.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Oh I thought he was you play to win the game.
I love that you play to win the game. Randy
Moss literally looks like he defied physics for his se He.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Did, he did he This is okay. So after that
they lost to no, let's see that yet the Dolphins. Right,
they beat the Broncos, lost to the Bills, by lost
at the Packers, at the Jets, they lost, beat the Ravens,
beat the Chargers, lost at the Bills, beat the Bears,

(30:11):
beat the Raiders, lost at the Vikings, and then lost
at the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
This is the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, two thousand and two. So yeah, with the Poudy Dolphin,
I hated the Powdy Dolphin.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I like the I like the newer jerseys they released
this year. What are they the rivalry jerseys? Oh you
mean the Miami Vice ones?

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah? Those are.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
They win in those? I know, maybe maybe they're onto something. Well,
of course you can't face the Jets every week. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I I'm not gonna jump the gun or anything. We're
gonna have categories in the aftermath. Chris Carter was amazing.
That was pretty good. It's you know, a player is
really good. Yeah. Like I said, I don't want to
jump the gun, but I'm just so excited to watch
this playback. This is one of the the most anticipated

(31:08):
playbacks for me that we've done so far. Okay, just
because you're seeing the talent I got to I grew
up watching this. This is no but this is like
when I was getting into like the peak of me
getting into football was football. This is almost like when
I became like when I grew a conscience. Like you know, when,

(31:30):
like they say, children like just become like self aware
one day.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Like that's kind of like it was around this time.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I became self aware and could actually remember things and
and appreciate stuff. And it's nice to watch some of
these football players that I forgot existed, like Red not
even forgot existed, but it's just like, who doesn't want
to watch Randy Moss highlights? Like he's so fun to

(31:58):
watch and think about. Try to think about one of
the most boring games you've ever watched, right, Like it
just just a boring game. Yeah, you don't have to
like describe it specifically, but the number one thing that's
always boring about certain games, like and not to target
the Browns. I know you are kind of down, so

(32:20):
I don't want to target the Browns. But they've had,
you know, bad teams throughout the years, the Lions, things
like that, Like, yeah, you would never want to watch
those oh and sixteen Lions take on the one in
fifteen Browns, you know, or whatever their record was, you know,
like it there was some talent on those teams, but
not enough to I don't know, be showstopping and watching

(32:43):
a game like this with talent like Chris Carter and
Randy Moss on one side and then on the other side. Yeah,
Antonio Freeman might not be like the greatest White. He's
not a Randy Moss, He's not even a Chris Carter,
but he's their guy. He's a great He's still good
wide receiver and farv is a Hall of Famer on
the other side. So it's like where there's a lot

(33:05):
of Hall of like a lot of Hall of Fame
level or caliber football being played here, and that's like
making it an exciting.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Rewatch for me.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
So just excited to rewatch this. He was highly into space.
If you thought football was it now, football was it
back then? It's it. It's it.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I mean at times a million now right where they
want utter dominance, it was it then.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Oh Freeman, yep, he was so good, Like for he.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Wasn't even the number one wide receiver until Rob Brooks
got hurt on Monday Night Football, I believe against the
forty nine Ers. He tore his knee Ligham and this
was the ninety six and the sports media is like, well, Farve,
he's screwed.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Oh he's not well. Also too, Freeman, I will say
this too. He does have Aman Green is a great
running back. Yeah, and he's also got Bubba Franks. Bubba
Franks was an exceptional sh should not be slept on.
He would great him and had a great like Franks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, Speaking of which, Yeah, Dennis Erickson was Yeah, the
longest tenured in the Air other than Bill Cower. Yeah,
there's Melissa Stark before again this is where she started
on Monday night football.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
On the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, it was crazy. So we were talking about Franks,
let me do my uh, let me do my Tracy Morgan, you.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Cook me the the other the other tight end. I'm
trying to think of. When does your Michael Finley come
into the pictures later later? Is that like the Rogers
era near? No, it's a couple of Yeah, it's it's
the transition, it's.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
The bridge between Far to Rogers. He's in that, Yeah,
because I know that's another Don Driver comes in a
little bit later and becomes like far absolutely. Greg Jennings
is what.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, the of them together was and Far or not
FARV Rodgers would end up getting obviously I think played
a little bit with Driver, Yes, and then he had
Greg Jennings for.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Oh my gosh, that's a flag.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yep. Freeman just is able to like almost freeze time
when the ball comes in, like he can almost contort
his body to catch it.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Anyway, And when he went to Baltimore, it was never
the same. No coldpep remember remember remember our Dante Culpepper
later went.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, he went to Baltimore, but didn't go to my
or No, he went to Miami, Miami.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
He's never the same, So damn. The Vikings had that
love boat scandal, if you remember.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I don't look that up. The thing I was going
to mention, you know who I always think of who
just doesn't get enough credit as a as a Vikings
lead ten to three, by the way, as a green
Bay player. Just there's so much talent in green Bay history.
There's so many green Bay legends right like you can

(36:05):
get kind of buried. But Jordy Nelson, the connection between
Jordy Nelson and Rogers. He made one of the.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Most important catches in green Bay Packers Super Bowl history,
which catch.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
It was one of those.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Catches on third down because he kept dropping him and
he didn't give up on Jordy, and Jordy pretty much
came up to the line and said, you throw it
to me, I'll catch it throat to someone else.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
He was so good.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
He was no throat to Randall Cobb.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, well, I was gonna say Rogers also had.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
And that's the thing is an embarrassment of riches is
not a bad thing always.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
It just feels like the Packers I will say this.
I don't know if it's the underhanded the underhanded throat.
Oh my gosh, yeah, flag. They talk about far being
mark conservative, Yeah, right, the gunslinger Brett being concerned.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
As the years went on, well, this mid part and
it's on the it's on the Yeah, it's on the Vikings.
His gunslinger mentality was gone after ninety five, from ninety
five to like oh four, around that time, he wasn't
the gunslinger anymore.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
When did he retire? O?

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Damn?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
By the way, I saw Randy Moss's last game as
a Viking. He got traded, actually got put on waivers
in twenty ten, he got put on waivers.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Did he who do you retire with? Was it the Niners? Yes?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I believe it was. But you know who he else
got traded to? He got put actually no?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Oh well, are you talking about when he went to
the Raiders?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
No, No, he was traded. I was traded from Minnesota
to the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
This was his last game in Minnesota. You said direct
it was in Foxboro.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I saw it because uh, Brad Childress and him didn't
get along, and because I remember that oh nine team
got to the Super Bowl. That twenty ten team was
a shell of itself. Farv got hurt a lot. Yeah,
I saw Farv get taken out in the hospital on
a in an ambulance when I was at the Patriots
Vikings game.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Ric Flair on a gurney one of my favorite scenes.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
And also, yeah, Farv didn't come Yeah, he came back
the following week. But now again, this was Halloween of
twenty ten. It was colder then than the Packers Patriots
game I went to in December. Wish I had a
real fee of forty six. That's crazy, even though I
was bundled up, like you don't need to bundle up,
take some of your clothes up? What take some of
my clothes off?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Wait? Ho?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Who there's a family venue here? Anyway, with that, he
got he was I think he was put on waivers
and you know, picked him up the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I do remember that.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Do you remember Randy Moss and a Tennessee Titans You
know to remember that. It didn't last long, but he
was in a Tennessee Titans uniform. Well, next time, do
not refer to Eric Dickerson as ED. Please don't do that.
Please don't do that. Please don't do that.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
That's the real reason they had to get rid of
Eric Dickerson. That's right. I think he wanted a Viagra sponsorship.
He didn't get it, so they were just throwing the
abbreviation around too much and he wasn't getting paid enough
for it.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, don't do that. Please, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
So did you look up the love boat scandal?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I did?

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I didn't look up too much. Oh, culpeper off.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Culpeper gives an arm punt back to Green Bay as
the linebacker for Green Bays trying to hold his teammate.
That was that might have been an illegal forward pass.
I I don't know if it really matters. It wasn't
really a pass. He like here, Yeah, like handed it off.
Pickoff happened, Yes, yes, yeah, that's that was happening. The
handoff should not have happened. You have to be back

(39:54):
for that, not forward. So what what did you think
about the love boat scandal for the Vikings? Just said,
I didn't look too much into it, but it doesn't
look good now again.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I I'm a Packers guy. I do not hate the Vikings.
There's only one team in the division I hate you
know who?

Speaker 3 (40:13):
That is? Correct?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I don't hate the Vikings because it's really not really
a rivalry if you've never really won anything. Same for
the Detroit Lions. I get it because Detroit and green
Bay are you know, you know, they're relatively near each other.
But again I don't really I don't hate Detroit.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
So what is the closest city to Green Bay out
of all of the other teams.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
From a geography standpoint? Is it?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Chicago?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Got to be Chicago? Right?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I don't know? Right there? Seeing yep, okay, no such
thing as a lateral. I don't know if that's correct.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe these guys two thousand right, yeah,
maybe the maybe these commentators might know more than me. Nope, Tyrone,

(41:08):
no hands is going to be sitting on the bench.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Tyrone Davis was kind of a bit of a disappointment
in Green Bag a bit.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Dude's got square blocks for hands. That's a tailor made
first down and he dropped it FARV couldn't have walked
over to him and handed it any better than that
perfect spiral though on the run. Oh my gosh, that
is the type of play. Oh my gosh, no one

(41:38):
hit him, there was no one coming. He just let
go what are we doing? Nothing irritates me more than
bad football. Sling it Nope, Well you don't need to
sling it to the guy five feet away. You can
underhand it to him. There.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
So the love Party scandal, right lakeman Atonka, seventeen members
of the Vikings football team, including Dante Culpepper. It's far
airs it out. You can't drop it. You didn't drop it.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Fire Men just comes up out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Look what I caught. Yeah, but it's coming back.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Oh my gosh, Fred Smoot, Mewelde Moore, Pat Williams, Bryant McKinney,
Nate Burrelson, Ralph Brown, Jermaine Wiggins, Troy Williamson, Travis Taylor,
Kevin Williams, Lance Johnstone, Boe Williams, and Willie offered. Two
house boats were rented in some but not all, of
the players performed acts in front of the crew members.

(42:39):
Workers of that variety from Atlanta and Florida were flown
for the in for the party.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Of that variety.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
He says there were at least ninety people on the
two boats, and Smoot later estimated that there were one
hundred women present. An anonymous former player of the Vikings
claimed that this is not the first time that such
an incident had happened. There's Frankie Bag of Donuts, Frankie Winners.
That's his nickname, Frankie Bag of Donuts.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
There's Frankie bagg of Donut. Yeah, that's yeah, and I'm
Boom he's got donuts. No, the weirdest the dropped it.
Frankie Winners, Frankie Bag of Donuts. He pulled. He looked
like a tight end going for an out route. I
don't know how he wasn't called for a legal man
downfield because he ran like five yards down the field

(43:28):
and then did an out route to get ready for
the screen block. Yes, but like obviously the pass was dropped.
I've never seen that, like the center or what was he?
Is he a guard or center guard. I've just never
seen the guard pull forward like when you're a guard.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Frankie Bag of Donuts. I'm pretty sure was a center.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
When you're even if you're a center and you're pulling,
you'll always pull you usually like you drop step and
pull back behind the line to mask where you're going
or where the run's going. Yep, he pulled dog. He
pulled out of the like he went forward like he
was running a route and then ran like a five
yard out. Yeah, from the center position. I've never seen

(44:07):
that before in my life. I played center right.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Allegedly, photographs were taken at the party showing people engaging
in acts. Four of the players were charged with misdemeanors
related to events. Later commentators pointed to the scandal as
a key event in the history of the team, leading
to the firing of head coach Mike Tice, who was
replaced by Brad Childress.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
So there you go, so a key a key role
in the pretty much the demolition of the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
The crumble of their team.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
If you yes, this is where it essentially ended. Ziggi
Wilf the owner, right.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I'm assuming that party, by the way, is a little
different than the Halloween party that Randy had with the Patriots,
the famous one where Bill dressed up.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I don't know, we're gonna there was really nothing has
been in terms of this, nothing has really been kind
of disputed, and you know you know what I mean. Yeah,
ten to ten. By the way, Packers and Vikings are
four man tied with four oh two to go. To
be exact, four oh two should be four oh nine.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
You know, she's real fine.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Anyway, Ziggi Wilf said he was the owner of the
Viking still as lack of at press time, Chris Carter,
he's midfield.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Now, Oh, that might have been a block in the back.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Ziggy Vikings owner Ziggi Wilf stated that quote lack of
discipline will no longer be tolerated at any level. The
events of the past week are unacceptable. It was any
if there were any sense that we would look at
the other way regarding this type of behavior. I want
to make it extremely clear that this behavior will never
be tolerated again. Closed quote. And a lot of changes

(45:52):
got made, as we mentioned, Mike Tice got fired. Yeah,
Brad Childress didn't last very long, by the way, as
the head coach of the Vikings. I think that two
ten season that disastrous as they were trying to get
back to where they were in nine. And I'm pretty
sure he got fired.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
So is this Garrison Hurst?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
No? Is that later?

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Is that is that later in the Viking color?

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Who is who is number?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Who am I thinking of?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Or number forty for the Vikings?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Yeah, or maybe I'm thinking of someone else? Maybe I'm
thinking of.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Like Hunter Hurst, no HELMSL.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I'm thinking of Toby Gerhart, but I don't know if
he played for the Vikings. He did play for the Vikings.
I was thinking of Toby Gerhart, Okay, but it was
in he played in ten or twenty ten? Yeah? Oh ten?
What am I saying? Yeah? He played in twenty ten
for Minnesota from twenty ten to twenty thirteen, and then

(46:51):
he played for the Jags from fourteen to fifteen. I'm
pretty sure I used to have a Toby Gerhart like
Jags T shirt and on an interception, Darren ha shat
Darren Sharper yep, one of the hot is hitting safeties
in the league.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Have you ever seen that video? If you haven't seen it,
I'll have to show it to you.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Have you seen it? It's a gentleman playing Madden and
he's like he's playing Madden or whatever, and he's playing
as the Packers and Greg Jennings breaks his leg in
the beginning of the game, and then somehow Greg Jennings
gets subbed back into the game with a broken leg
and makes the game winning touchdown on like an eighty
yard run with a broken leg, Like in the game,

(47:37):
the characters running with a broken leg and if you
know you know this video, I'm assuming Jay Dog hasn't
seen it, but Darren Sharper was playing for the Saints
at the time, and in the video, the guy goes
like he's like replaying the video in slow mo. And
then as Darren Sharper comes on screen, he goes, Darren
shap one of the hottest hitting sifties in the least.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Who's he trying to imitate you?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
No one, He's literally it's just how this dude talks.
It sounds like Steven. It sounds like Steve, Yeah, you
got an I'll show it to you after we're after
we'd Yeah, it is very Lakers in five. It's very
Lakers at five.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Randy miked up.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
West Virginia.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
One time.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I saw an old clip of Randy earlier this week
actually where uh.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Bill Schrader made the catch for the first down.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
It was Randy talking about He's like, uh, Randy's like,
He's like, you know, on game date eight four, don't stretch,
you know, I don't stretch on game date Randy. Randy's
just one of my favorite football personalities of all time,
and in an era when we had some of the
loudest personality on the field, you know, with people like

(49:04):
Keishawn Johnson, Shannon Sharp, Chad Ocho, Senko, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss,
Joe Horn is like Joe Horn. I'm just trying to
think of people who tried to do like flashy very
show voting fred X fred X. I guess, but Freddy
wasn't as like compared to those guys. Yeah, he wasn't
as vocal. I should say.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
That's what the Vikings are wearing, by the way, on
their uniforms for two thousand, nice fortieth anniversary, So they're
not wrong actually because you usually think it nineteen sixty one,
two thousand one, but again and a verser you're going
by again forty seasons of the franchise. This would be
their fortieth.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
So but the Randy Moss just has to be one
of my favorite personalities. He just he runs his mouth
but can back it up and he's respectful about it.
Like maybe not in his his younger years, you know,
when he was with Minnesota he was maybe a little

(50:04):
more disrespectful, but he seems for the most part respectful.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
When he went to New England, they obviously that was.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
That was the storyline with Randy was you know, when
he went to the Raiders, it was about he has
an attitude problem. Attitude problem, can no one can deal
with Randy or whatever. But then he went to New
England and they cleaned that up.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Well, I'm not sure if they clean well again. He
had to he had to be on his p's and
cues because Belichick wasn't going to allow.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Like day, the Patriots kind of locked down that kind
of attitude, like they were like, we don't need that here.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
M it's a good punt.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Again, a rainy night in Green Bay. It's not the
frozen tundra at lambeau Field. It's the wet tundra at
lambeau Field.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
And this is again a solid game so far.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
To again two rival, two competitive teams. I just I
hate watching games that are. You know, if if you're
listening to this, go check out. We did the beatdown
in Philly one of our previous playbacks, and there's court
again and that was that was the Eagles and they
the Eagles won.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
You know about that, right? What the Corey Stringer situation. No, Okay,
Summer of two thousand and one. He dies of heat stroke.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So the the playback I was discussing a second ago,
the Eagles, the beat down, the thing that I didn't
like about it, And if you go back and listen
to the aftermath, you can hear all my thoughts on it.
But I don't like I want a competitive game, and
I'm glad that this has been competitive football so far.

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I'd like a little more offense. Maybe, well it's raining too. Yeah,
I know I'm not saying that. I'm not I'm not complaining.
I'm that's just me picking knits. You know that I'm
being nitpicky. But yeah, maybe a little more offense, like
a couple more scores here before the half, at least
get one in maybe Minnesota or Green Bay. He's got

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all the time in the world, I mean, what do
you do? And that's Darren Sharper on him. Their their top,
the top defender pretty much for Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Because Leroy Butler was still there, but he was kind
of nearing the end of his prime or pretty much
I don't want to say past this spread, but awfully close.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
When was uh when was Darren Sharper a rookie? Did
we know it?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Wasn't two thousand daring chap Yeah, some say the the

(53:10):
the Vikings there go ahead.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Uh. Darren Sharper nineteen ninety seven NFL Draft, second round
draft pick by the Packers.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
The Packers, yes, because he ended up going to.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
The He played for Minnesota and the Saints. Yes, yes
see right there. See Randy had better stats than Jerry,
but he just the time in Oakland.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
He didn't really only spent two years with the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, I know, but that's the point is he didn't
really produce in those two years, and Jerry never took
a year off, you know what I mean? Like Jerry
produced every year there were there? What did What has
Jerry got that Moss never got? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I mean he came close.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
I know that Patriots team.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I think he came closer with the forty nine Ers
than he did because if you remember that forty nine
Ers Ravens Super Bowl, there were several missed calls that
should have gone Santa Francisco's way, but they didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
So yeah, I mean, I I the Harbowl, the Harbor Bowl,
the Uh that was a good super Bowl too.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I would have liked it a lot better if it
went Santa Francisco's way.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Yeah, I'm assuming the see but I still think that
that Patriots team that Randy was on, that's yeah, it
doesn't matter if they want or not. That's gotta be
one of the top five greatest teams ever assembled on paper,
I mean championship. It's like, you can't you can't deny

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the greatness that the Bills had in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Four years in a row. But again, that's like never
been done that, Like, no, they're not. By the way,
they are not the first team to lose four Super Bowls.
They are the first team to lose four Super Bowls
in a row. Who was the first team to lose
four Super Bowls?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Was it? Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Minnesota Vikings went to four Super Bowls in the nineteen seventies,
not consecutively, but they went to four Super Bowls and
they lost them all.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
That's heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
They lost them all. And guess who one of the
teams was they lost to in the Super Bowl John
Madden's Oakland Raiders. Really Yep, they lost to the Steelers.

(55:40):
They lost to the Dolphins as well. And we need
one more team who they lost to hold on sue
what Culpepper does.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Almost picked off. See I need a little more eye.
I wanted more offense here, like go to the end zone.
You mean it's too far now? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Who was the fourth team that the Vikings lost to
in the Super Bowl? So he said the Steelers?

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Said the Raiders? Right said the Dolphins?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Right?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yes, okay, so there's one more?

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Was that Dolphins?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
The doll the Chiefs? Was that Dolphins Super Bowl? Was
that the perfect season?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
That was against Washington.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Anderson and.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Got it? From forty eight they're like on edge, they're
like and it's good from forty eight.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yards thirteen to ten, Minnesota leading Green Bay at the half.
This two thousand game here from Monday Night Football. It's
the playback and football class or Monday Night Football Classics.
Roll on here on the playback and seeg not getting
all kinds of off right now in the rain in
Green Bay.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
No, but I still think it's a good game. I'm
excited about the the direction it's moving.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah. I'd rather it be competitive and defensive than an
offensive blowout from one team. You know, I want to
watch a good game. So what are your thoughts on
the game so far?

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I missed this. This is what I missed right here.
You know, I probably will. What I probably would have
done is I probably would have switched between this and
Monday Night Raw, So yeah, and maybe Monday Night tro
Although w WCW was doing really, really poor in November
of two thousand and the end was almost near because
they had their final show in two thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
So the big difference on the stats after the half
is the penalty yards by the Vikings. Moe Williams love
boat mow. It's good thing I told you about that. Huh.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah, I think honestly, the the Vikings really they were
broken when the Cory Stringer death happened.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, well, that type of stuff can affect, you know,
people in general in certain ways when things like that,
But when it's like a team and you're I had
a coach pass away one time in the middle of
a season when I was in high school, and it
was not that my high school hockey team was good,
but it was tough to go out and just play

(58:33):
the next game. And it doesn't get any easier every game.
It's like, it doesn't get any easier, right, It's it's
definitely something that can crumble an organization, especially when you've
got scandal and you've got tragedy all mixed into one,
and you can't seem to catch a break almost. It

(58:54):
feels like at some point you need to just reset.
And that's what the Vikings did. They would get rid
of Randy, Chris Carter would move on, Dante Culpepper would
move on, and it would be a new era for Minnesota,
one that I honestly think is better, Like it is
great of a player is Randy Moss and Chris Carter
are like as great of players as they are. The

(59:18):
Adrian Peterson era might be the best like Vikings era
in this millennium, like since the year two thousand.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Wow, because again these guys went to more NFC title
games than Adrian Peterson did. Its got to one.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
I still think that.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
As a whole, the Minnesota Vikings were better, but the
competition also was better back then too, Like when when
Adrian Peterson was at his Look at Moss. I know,
four catches one hundred yards, Chris Carter's no slouch either.
Four catches fifty five yards and a touchdown is good
touchdown Moss does, that's a good day still. And that's

(59:57):
the thing about Randy that was different from him and too.
If you eliminate Jerry Rice from the leader boards essentially
because no one's going to touch him.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Or his record. I mean like eventually someone might.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
But when Randy Moss was playing, yep, if you kind
of took Jerry out of the equation, and it was
if you put him up next to t O, t
O and him were very similar except to had the
touchdowns and Randy was all about the yards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Cory Stringer, by the way, went to the Ohio State University.
So he died August first, two thousand and one, man Cato, Minnesota,
at the age of twenty seven. It's awful because again
heat stroke, you know, complicated, and there's a sack right there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
I was wrong by the way I had it backwards.
Terrell Owens had the yards, Randy had the touchdowns. Terrell
Owens has more yards than Randy, but I think Randy
has more touchdowns. I still can't believe that Larry Fitz
has more receiving yards than to and Randy Moss. Larry
fits first ballot Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
So Stringer again suffered from heat stroke on the second
day of Vikings two thousand and one preseason training camp. Right,
he died from the complication.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
And it was so it was in like the team
was working out together like it wasn't like it was
at home. No, yeah, this was like at the facility.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
He was able to complete complete the first practice practice
session held the morning of July thirtieth due to exhaustion,
and did not participate in the day's afternoon session, but
he vowed to return the next day to complete the
morning session, which was conducted in full pads. Although he
had puked three times. He did complete the morning practice
session on July thirty first, which lasted two and a

(01:01:47):
half hours, but walked to an air conditioned shelter after
the session, where he became weak and dizzy. Offensive line
coach later head coach Mike Tice stated that he had
not witnessed Stringer puking, but said that's Stringer did not
exhibit any symptoms of heat related illness. At eleven thirty am,
when practice ended, the heat index reached ninety nine degrees.

(01:02:08):
The heat index peaked later that day at one hundred
and ten degrees, with a high temperature of ninety degrees.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
This is in Minnesota, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
When he was taken to the hospital, his body temperature
was one hundred and eight degrees Oh my gosh. Upon arrival.
He was unconscious from the time he was meted until
his death at one fifty am on August first, two
thousand and one, and autompsy confirmed that Stringer died from
organ failure resulting from heat stroke wild The Minnesota Occupational
Safety and Health Administration investigated his death and cleared the

(01:02:40):
Vikings of responsibility on November one, two thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I was going to say, it doesn't sound like and
it's intercepted. I think that's call Pepper's third or fourth interception.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
DFI and McKenzie with getting that one. Now, how let's see.
The vice president of the Vikings at the time, Mike Kelly,
met with the officials, along the team's athletic trainer and
equipment manager. However, under the governing labor laws, the Vikings
would only be held liable if it was proven they
were negligent or had inflicted intentional harm. Although the autopsy

(01:03:12):
confirmed that Stringer was not taking supplements, the Vikings began
preparing a defense to a planned lawsuit in November two
thousand and one by announcing that Stringer Locker was full
of dietary supplements, including some that Stringer's wife filed. A
widow filed the wrongful death lawsuit against the team and

(01:03:33):
trainers in February of two thousand and two.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Did she win? Does it say?

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
The athletic trainers were granted summary judgment for immunity, which
was upheld on initial appeal. Now they're closer to the
end zone the packers are, which, as well as the
second appeal to the Supreme Court of Minnesota, parts of
her lawsuit were later thrown out. Another suit against the
NFL was filed in July two thousand and three and
settled in January two thousand and nine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
The only disclosed term of the settlement that the NFL
will support efforts to create a heat illness prevention program.
His wido also brought a lawsuit against Riddell Incorporated, the
manufacturer of Stringer's pads and helmet. In July two thousand
and nine, a federal judge determined that Riddell had a
duty to inform Stringer that their equipment could contribute to

(01:04:20):
heat injuries. A district court then ordered a jury trial
regarding the matter. Stringer's death brought about major changes regarding
heat stroke prevention throughout the NFL. His death also addressed
complications of pressuring players to bulk up to well over
three hundred pounds. Stringer at the time was six foot

(01:04:41):
four and weighed three hundred and thirty five pounds woo,
the lowest weight he had ever been in his pro career.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
The lowest weight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yes, but again, as.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
You know, when you lose weight and gain weight, yeah,
it's not good for your mink, not good for your organs, yeah,
which can speed up the process to something to this magnet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yes, of being one hundred and something degrees.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
It's crazy that you bring that up and we're talking
about it now because no, because the there's a player
for the Buccaneers. I think he's on their practice squad
now or on their on the pup list currently as
we do this at press time. Yes, Desmond Watson is

(01:05:28):
his name. He was over four hundred pounds. He was
drafted or he was he went undrafted in the draft
this year, yes, from the agent. Yes, and they put
him on the physically unfit list because he was too heavy,
which at first I was like, yeah, I guess that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I mean, I get it. You want him to be
in shape. Or whatever. But I was like, you know,
I've seen Warren sapp play.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Vita Va is huge, you know, like some of these
guys are huge, But when you put it into perspective
like that, with like the heat index and the damage
that it can do to your body and stuff like that,
and especially Desmond Watson being in Tampa, Florida where it's humid.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Where was I last month?

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Tampa?

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I was in Tampa and the real feel was like
one hundred and two. Yes, this was in September, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
It makes sense like why the Buccaneers now would kind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Of many professional football teams now train in light color uniforms,
water and shade are made readily available, and a team
doctor is at practice sessions at all times.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
That I can't believe that wasn't a thing before.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
That. That is wild that they didn't have, like a
an NFL organization. How do you not have a facility
doctor like on hand ready to like like, I'm surprised
there isn't a whole like bullpen of athletic trainers ready
to roll.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Well, as you know in high school, there's no more
to a days, right, there's anymore two a days?

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
And I didn't know that I did two A days
when I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Was in Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, I do, like there's two A days anymore, to
A days not tua like to day.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yeah, And I used to hate two A days.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
During the summer, we'd have two days and you'd have to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Do practice, go home, come back to practice, and usually
in between there we were doing like a blitz where
we were trying to go fundraise, going door to door
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I didn't have to do that two A days. Yes,
I didn't mind the too. You know what, I didn't
mind the two A days. I was losing weight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
So yeah, I I'm a lot better at being physically
fit when someone's telling me what to do.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
I was in the military.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
It's really easy for me to just all right, you
want me to do something, okay, and just shut my
brain off and just do it. So I love doing
like organized organized sports and stuff like that, and like
doing like I didn't mind two A days, but I
hated I hate the heat. It's like if we did
two days in hockey, like we would do during hockey season,

(01:08:01):
we would do runs behind the ice rink. We would
run like a mile and a half in the snow
and then run back a mile and a half and
then we would do like we would snake the bleachers
or something like go up and down the stairs or
something like that. And like, I don't mind doing two
days in hockey because it's cool in the rink, it's

(01:08:22):
cool outside during the winter time when it's snowy out
and stuff like that. I don't want to be running
in the heat. That sucks. Yeah, like that, they just.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Get being hot in general sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I hate being hot. Like I moved back to New
Hampshire from Georgia because it was hot. Yes, I don't
want to be in the heat. I like the cold weather.
I'm a skier. I played hockey. The hot weather sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Thirteen thirteen, seven nineteen to go. In the third quarter
of this Packers Vikings game and classic Monday Night Football
rolls on the playback coach Kose want to thank him
for the video here via YouTube And is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
This the ref wearing this?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
I think I asked this on a previous playback.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yes, because two thousand was because we had watched the
Bucks and the Rams the Revenge game also Monday Night
Football in two thousand when Jesse the Body Ventura was governor.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Yeah, the that po V cam or that like almost
like the helmet cam. Yeah, the ref camf Yeah they
I might have brought this up last time we discussed it,
but yeah, in I'm a big video game nerd.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
For another song I hate by the Way Centerfold by
the Jay Giles Band, I'll give you. I'll tell that
story later.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Go ahead. The playbackers that know me know that I'm
a big video game nerd or the betheads.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Whether it's the betheads or the playbackers, now they know.
If they don't know, now now they know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
I used to I used to play a lot of
ESPN back when before EA had exclusive rights to like
football games, basically to the NFL and football games. ESPN
used to make football games. It was like ESPN NFL
two k five. Yes, had like to O and his
Eagles uniform on the cover. They used to do advertisements

(01:10:20):
for it, and they had a first person mode where
you could play in first person and for two thousand
and five, Yeah, it was very innovative being able to
play in first person. Like so as I handed off
the ball, this like toy Dante culpeper graphic they've got going.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
They should have just made like a starting lineup. Yah, Yeah,
I do have a story his starting life action. They
got the number wrong, they did. Yeah, he's wearing number twelve.
Was at a number eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
That's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Yeah, he's like, that's a that's a collector's item.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Doing that, he's like doing He's like doing this while
he's trying to throw it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
So do you have it in the package?

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
No? I was gonna say, no, why would I do that? Boy?

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Centerfold Jay Giles Band? Okay, used to like that song? No,
why I hated it? Why went to a friend's house?
Back in nineteen ninety eight, We're watching VH one. We're
watching pop up video. Remember pop up video.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
It might be before my time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Okay, videos would air and they would pop up facts
and things of that song. Cool, like a blurb. Yeah,
and you hear a like every time. Yeah, so okay,
Centerfold was one of them. Okay, so okay. Then the
top ten songs of nineteen eighty two on VH one,
guess what the Centerfold by Jay Giles Band are Okay?

(01:11:44):
The next hour, Top videos of the nineteen eighties, and
guess what One of them was Centerfold by the Jay Guys.
I say, I hate this I'm done with.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
It, get this song out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Yes, I gotta get a cheesehead. I know packerbacker since
nineteen ninety three, and I still don't have a cheesehead.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
We got tow against the law, should that be? We
need you, We need to get you a cheesehead for
the for the desk, for your like producer desk. I
don't know about that. You don't want to have a
little cheesehead on the on the desk that's not mine.
I would still, I would still throw a cheesehead on there.

(01:12:23):
Do they have them fitted? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
That's the thing. That's what I've always wondered.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Maybe some some of those things though, like like hats
like that, or like the novelty hats have like a
snap feature inside or like a velcrow feature inside to
like tighten and loosen it. I have a whoa Rob Smith?
Is he going all the way? He's going all the way.
He barely made any moves. It looked like he ran

(01:12:49):
straight and he still was able to. He just stopped
and started and stopped and started to kind of like
shake off the defenders. There.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
M Rob Smith forty five yard touchdown reception.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
That's one of those Oh you were talking crap about me,
CJ kind of touchdowns right there. I got a starting
lineup and you don't. He said, Oh, you think this
is Randy and Chris's team? Who well, he mainly he's

(01:13:31):
a running back, so.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Yeah, al Michael's his commentary is so good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Yeah, the way he likes holiday now coming off the field,
the way he al Michael's like, that's his first receiving
touchdown in two years.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Like, the way he delivers his lines are very good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Do you believe in running backs catching touchdowns every two years?

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yes, because he mainly again is a running back. He'll
punch it in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
And also, if you're catching the football, it's Randy Moss,
it's Jake Reid, well before Jake Reid was gone, and
Chris Carter.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Right, oh, Gary Anderson just barely got close shave there
with the upright, that's gonna make it. What is it
a twenty to thirteen game? Now going into the fourth,
I think, let's see do they still have the cheese
puppet had hand puppets? We need to get you one

(01:14:33):
of those two. Bring back the block of kr the
block of cheese hand puppet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Hy two k y two k hand puppets.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
I remember I have a.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Oh, well, wha wha, wha, wha wha, whoa, whoa, whoa
whoa guess what?

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Oh that was a block in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Oh no, he almost hit paid her. Oh get this
man in the oxygen? Where's the O two?

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
I can't believe he was caught.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Check it out. What a good run, some good blocks
and not what the Vikings wanted. No, not after scoring.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Feeder and bounds. Yeah, feeder and bounds. He gets out
of the danger zone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
How does he catch him?

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
All?

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
This dude caught it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
It was the dude that ran out of bounds.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Oh my gosh, no way, Kenny Wright, I think they
said was his name? Oh my gosh, right here watch
him keep your eyes on twenty yep. Never gives up
on the play. That's the most important thing they teach
you in football. Never give up on the play.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
Chases him down.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
And if you watch who was the return man for
Green Bay? Do you know? Yeah? It was? Uh? Because
this is pre Desmond Howard or no, not the pro
it's post Desmon Howard.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Excuse me, because he went to the Raiders and he
was never the same.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
The anyways, the return man there, whoever it was, he
like as he looked to his left, he like looked
over his shoulder to look at his teammate, and as
that happened, that's when he got tackled.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
That's why they tell you never never look.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
At it, just go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Rawsom That's what was Yet, Brett.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Farv got some great starting field position here. He's gonna
start off.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
At Rossam's getting auxited, looks.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
You want to know the first thing I think of
when I think of Brett Farv. One of the first things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
And I'm on green, is he in? He's in touchdown?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
That should tie it up following the pat What do
you think the first thing I think of when I
think of Brett Farv or one of the things I
remember he's got one snap on his helmet. Rogers is
the same way too. Yeah. Yeah, when I grew up,
like I had two buckles or two snaps on both sides,

(01:17:10):
and you would like loosen them up so you could
slide your helmet off and yes, tighten them back on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
When farre started he had the holes in the chin. Yeah,
I had that for my helmet as well. Not that
was an imitat I want. I wanted the double double
strap chint like the Peyton Manning ones. Those were tough
to those were those were tough to get a football player.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
I liked the double ones because like the one button
or the one snap makes me nervous. It's like that
thing could slip off, and then that whole helmet is
just it. It's like wearing a bicycle helmet, like with
a face mask.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Twenty twenty in the year two thousand, sege.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Just a little bit of time left here in the
third quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Yeah, that's not what the Vikings wanted. No, not how
special teams affected that. Not after the great drive they had,
they killed a lot of time in the third quarter.
They drove down the field, had a great offensive touchdown
and Kenny Wright was able to make a stop. But
he was also the causation. That's he rolled.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Over Kenny right, he was like, hold on, let me
stand my ground. Rob Smith having a having a quiet,
quiet me down type of game. It's getting ready to
shut me up. You should what we I know, I
need to have more respect for There's Vonnie Holliday the nineties,

(01:18:34):
just in the nineties and the Green Bay Packers uniforms.
If we had to pick one uniform, maybe this will
be a new category moving forward to if you had
to pick one uniform, like who won the uniform matchup? Yeah,
it's easily Green Bay, I said earlier. I like the
Vikings helmets, which I do, and I like their horns here.
But like the defensive players that played for Green Bay

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in the early two thousands just all looked like they
could just eat a bowl of nails, like they just
they look like they could just take a bite out
of an airplane, like I just there's not a Green
Bay packer on the defensive side of the ball that
doesn't look like they could break me in half. Like
it's not I must break you, I will break you.

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And we got another packer down. Not good, John Thory.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
There's your scout. The scoring so far, h Moss has
yet to catch a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Yeah, no, forty five yard touchdown reception from Rob Smith.
And they still chewed clock off like I said, like
even after that big rot like receiving touchdown, they still
killed a lot of clock on that last drive. Just
bounce right back up perfectly, fine, Okay, good to go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
It was not paralyzed when the waist down. So yeah,
didn't tear anything.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Right, doesn't look like it. Walking on his own power.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
It's also a big man, Yes, might need some assistance
if he was going to walk off with anyone. He
looked like he towered the trainer by at least a foot.
Trainer walks out there, he's my height, he's like five six.
He's like, all right, put your arm around my shoulder.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
I'll carry you, okay. So what the Vikings can do
with two four to go in the third quarter?

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Rob Smith have a second half?

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Very underrated running back though, and he retired on his
own terms in terms of he didn't have any massive
injuries you know what I mean, Almost like a Barry Sanders,
except where his Barry Sanders retire and frustration, whereas Rob
Smith retired due to because he.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Just felt, now's the time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
I don't have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Any concussions, I don't have any tour and anything.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Go out on top kind of like go out not
maybe not as a Super Bowl champ, but maybe your
health is a better trophy than that. Yep, you know
you don't have to go out and be I mean,
look at some of the greatest athletes ever looked at
Uhammad Ali. You know, look at.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Farv'm boxings Parkinson's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Yeah, it's like you don't have to destroy your body
for a game like this. That's you know, a big
topic in the NFL nowadays is the whole Twist situation. Yes,
and stuff like that. And people were concerned for his health.
And he took a late shot last night or not
last night, but the last week last week, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Against the Jets on Monday night football.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Yes, when they were the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Reason why you said last time, because you're in Monday
night football moment.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
That's all the Jets games he took. He took a
hit as he slid, and it was pretty nerve wracking.
A lot of I know, a lot of fans were concerned.
The Packers return team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
It's gonna be on the Packers. Yeah, Rossam's it's like
I may I may never breathe again.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Just get this man a plant to keep on keeping
his pocket or something. Get a flower to pin to
his chest so he gets a little free oxygen. Mm hmm.
He needs a canopy. Yeah, I'm not directing. I thought

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someone was assaulting me. First down.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Let's go, let's get them out like it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
I like this shot. Into the press box. I also
liked that the they said station Zebra. That's funny for
anyone who doesn't know Station Zebra is. Where is it,
Jady Dogg? I could be wrong. Is it in Antarctica
or something like that. Believe it is in Antarctica, Station Zebra.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I was gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
I was just about to say, is the press box
always open like that for in Green Bay at that time?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yes, I think it's changed a little bit. They've had to,
as you know, as the years have gone on, these
older stadiums have had to make improvements. Yes, because there's
more of a crew, right so, because this is ABC,
and then NBC came along to get Sunday Night Football
and they added more cameras, they added more of a
production value.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
I never thought about that, even though I work in
media and broadcasting and things like that. I never thought that,
like the camera wells and like the cameras. Yeah, like
the different like camera spots in the stadium here. I
didn't even think that they would have to add like
an extra booth almost for extra coverages and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Yep, Mitch Berger. By the way, Mitch Berger I saw this.
This is when he played for the Vikings right, the punter.
He would put a Snickers in his sneaker for home games.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Just so he could eat it on the bench direct again.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
He would put a Snickers.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
See that's weird, eat.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Some of it, put it back in there, stick it
back in it, save it zone for later. Yeah, John, Yeah, John,
that's a fumble incomplete. Again, this is before the tuck
rule that today yea in all probability.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Yeah, that's a fumble. Yeah anyway, John Madden. That's how
I was able to know. That's how I was a because.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Mitch Burger he takes the Snickers heat. I brought the
back of his shoe and them boom treat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
I'm sorry. I think you know what you know. I
think I think Madden was trying to get a Snickers deal.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Yeah, you know, no more boom tough acting to acting.
You know, Boom, have a snicker.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
Here, John, have a Snickers. You're not yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I was having Milky Three Musketeers, yeah, and then boom,
I'm John Madden.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
I had a snicker and then boom Snickers. Nope, nobody home. Oh.
I can sense it though, I can feel it. I
could feel it in the air. The play is coming,
the one we're all waiting for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
You can feel it coming in the air tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Yes, some some Phil Collins type stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
By the way, this is not a popular opinion. I'm
gonna say it anyway. That drum part is overrated. It
got overplayed. Okay, Well to me, the bridge to Easy
Lover is a lot better than that that drum part
of And that's a fumble and guess what did he

(01:26:16):
And that's the Packers ball special teams once again. Yeah,
dooming the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
It's the special teams for the Packers that I wouldn't
even say. I mean, obviously that one Minnesota fumbling, but
the Packers on that one, I don't want to say
it's Minnesota choking it. It's more Green Bay Special Teams
is living up to the hype because you got the
kick return. Even that punt return that was called back
was a great punk Vikings or not. Watch. Yeah, dude,

(01:26:43):
you can't can't do that. Number sixty the long snapper,
I believe. Oh oof, wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
We're in the fourth quarter now, by the way, yes,
fourteen minutes, it's tied at twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
I don't want to tie. What about you. No, I
hate ties, and this is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
And back then if you remember, the first team to
score wins, yes it whereas now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
I also don't like the way they do it now either.
I think it's stupid. Like I don't like that both
teams get a chance like college they college football did. Well,
here's the thing. I like the college football idea. Yeah,
you gotta do one or the other, though, like you
can't have ties, so you gotta either someone's gotta win.
You gotta either don't do overtime like it like you

(01:27:47):
do at all. Yeah, and just do it like they
do in college where you start at what the thirty
or the thirty five and work your way towards the
red zone far far.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Of getting slammed.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Sawyer with the sack there for the vikings.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
You either do it the way college football does it,
and you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Have to start on like the twenty five or the
thirty or the thirty five and just give teams you know,
they have to either score kick a field goal and
if they don't, goes to the other team, right, or
you do it like hockey in a sense, like you
just have unlimited overtime. You just don't run out don't

(01:28:31):
let it end in a tie. Yeah, but you make
it so the first team to score wins. That's how
it is. That's how it was, doesn't. I'm sorry about
your bad luck that you didn't get the ball in overtime.
Guess what, don't go to overtime? Be better. My dad
always told me when I was growing up, don't blame
the game on the refs or blame the situation that
you put yourself in because of someone else. Your team

(01:28:54):
performed the way it performed to get to that point.
Like if you don't get the ball in overtime, but
you should have won the game before it got to overtime,
plain and simple, or you wouldn't be complaining about overtime
if you won in regulation. Little false start there from Minnesota. Yep,
sorry to go on a little ramp, but just hate

(01:29:15):
the way the new overtimes are because it's like, not
only do both teams get a shot to score, but
even when they do, it still ends in a tie.
And it's like sick staying up for what. I'm staying
up till one in the morning on the East Coast
for what to watch? These teams end in a tie?

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
To watch? Yeah, to not even go for the win,
to watch football kiss at sister.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
To not even go for the win is really frustrating
to not that like. And it's the understandable like if
because ties are a thing. In that tie that we
had between the Packers recently and the Cowboys, one second
left on the clock and the Packers kick a field
goal because they're they're just we'd rather get a tie

(01:29:57):
instead of a loss. And it's like, if you just
eliminate the tie, then even if you if you eliminate
the tie, at least we get to see them be competitive,
try and win the game instead of just taking the
tie as a cop out. It's just whack. I don't
like it. Minnesota and green Bay trying to avoid overtime

(01:30:20):
in the playback here, Culpepper's in the danger zone right now. Well,
he's backed up into his own half of the field.
They've got thirty passing yards in the second half. Minnesota
has turned the ball over four times. I will say

(01:30:41):
though green Bay has only scored three points off those
four turnovers. They couldn't score one touchdown off those turnovers.
That's sometimes that happens, that's backbreaking that happens. But that's
how like you end up with one of the I
use it as a reference the Boys beating the Bills
on Monday Night Football one year and Tony Romo threw

(01:31:04):
five picks in one It's like you rarely ever see it.
But this is a case where the Vikings are I
was gonna say, this is a case where the Vikings
are on the brink of winning the game after turning
the ball over four times. Yeah, it's impressive by their
defense to say the least. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
But also it just shows you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
You said Antonio Freeman became the number one guy in
this offense because Rob Brooks broke his leg. Was that
this season ninety six? So I mean the Packers, their
offense is lacking talent. When Antonio Freeman's your best guy,
Antonio Freeman's probably a good Like in today's football, Antonio Freeman,
I'd put him at like a good two, maybe like

(01:31:48):
a three, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Like he's not a starter, He's not the number one.
I know I'm not saying.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
You're talking about today's NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Yeah, Like if he was in today's NFL, I wouldn't
he wouldn't be a number one wide receiver and even
and then it even though he was the number one
almost picked off again, even though he was the number
one wide receiver for the Packers, Yeah, ninety two, he's
not really a number one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
I don't know about that, Like you'd have to go
back in time he was.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
I'm not saying he's He obviously played the number one
spot and he was good. And I I I'm telling
you right now, I'm a big Antonio Freeman fan, but
he's not the same level as Randy Moss, who is
He's not the same level.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
As and is anybody in today's game on the same
level as Randy Moss Right now, Justin Jefferson is probably
the closest another Viking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Yeah, and and good for the vit. I know you
you probably don't want to hear it, but I was
gonna say, did he fair catch it or not? I'd
probably say Justin Jefferson is the best wide receiver in
the league. I mean, you could probably Chase. I was Gonnay,
you could probably argue with Jamar Chase, but Jamar has

(01:32:54):
a better quarterback. Well he did he did?

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, now right now, but.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
He'll say there with the Vikings, the Vikings have some
issues right now too, y, but both in the same
kind of yeah. And McCarthy's played how many games to
his entire career in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
For what.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Yes, yes, so an invalid fair catch.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
So it's almost like delay of game.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
I was gonna say, I would have. I thought they
were gonna just call a delay a game on him.
I had never heard of an invalid fair catch. I
had just assumed that they were. It was just delay
of game. I got a delay a game in hockey
one time because I played goalie and I covered the
puck up and forced the reft to blow the whistle,

(01:33:54):
and he gave me a delay a game for it
because there was like no one near me when I
took the whistle. But I wanted my eyes to get
like a shift change or something like that. The Vikings
have allowed one fourth quarter touchdown and each of their

(01:34:15):
I think last few games. I missed the end of
that graphic there far of off his back foot.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Nope, that's gonna be a flag though.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
That's the other thing too.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
The the defensive pass interference. Pass interference is different nowadays.
You see a lot more offensive now, I feel like
than you used to when on a play like this,
back when you're sitting in front of the TV watching this,
you see this flag get thrown, you're like, oh, it's DPI.
You're like, I know that's defensive pass. I mean you

(01:34:52):
could tell anyways. But nowadays you see you see a
flag get thrown and you're like, is it offensive? Is
it holding? Back in the day, you saw this flag,
You're like, that is DPI. Now, let me ask you.

(01:35:13):
College does DPI differently yes, than the NFL does. Yes,
where they don't do it's not fifteen yards from the foul, right,
it's just fifteen yards in a first down? Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
Do you think the NFL should switch to that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
No? You like the fifteen yards from from the spot
of the fowl. Yes. I'm just curious because it say
it's like the hail Mary. Okay, final play of the game. Yeah,
and there's a DPI on the one yard and now
I can just run it in.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
You think that that should be fair?

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
I do? You don't think that it should just move
me up fifteen yards and I should have to try
the hail Mary?

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Well, if again, if it's a one yard or you
know what they're gonna try to do. They're gonna touch
push or no, they're gonna try. Well, I'm gonna say
I they're down the by like a point, they're gonna
try a field goal?

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Oh yeah, well but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
It's like, oh my gosh, just out of his fingertips,
straighter two plays in a row. Can't can't reel in
the past. FIREV knows it too. That was the one
look at the rain. You can see rain on the camera. Now,

(01:36:28):
we were talking about drops this camera angle earlier. Yeah,
it's a little more stable. Now this is not the
same shot. But yeah, that camera angle where you saw
those rain drops. We kind of talked crap about it
earlier when the cameraman was fumbling the camera. But that
camera angle is what's going to help create the great shot.

(01:36:48):
We're gonna get to see here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Bad snap, so he wasn't gonna run with it in
the rain.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
So wait they did he punt it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
He punted it because it was a bad snap. So
instead of right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
But it went into the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Anyways, Yeah, so instead of it being a disaster.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
But where where were Where was the field goal from?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I think it was like the thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I guess it worked out, Yeah, because it moved it
up to the twenty. Yeah. I was gonna say, like,
wouldn't have been better just to miss the field goal
and stay at the thirty. That's what I was wondering.
I wanted to like, I didn't or I didn't know
if they were closer than the twenty or something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Well, again, he's a kicker, he's not a punter. Yeah,
so he had to improvise if it was. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
If if the low snap happens what you did, and
he kicks it to like the ten yard line.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
That's well, yeah, if he like punts it and it
probably flip field position.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Problem is when you got a leg like that, good
chance you're going to kick it into the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
Yeah, especially when you're not practicing. Yeah, you're designing stuff
like that. You're not a punter. Yeah, that's why you
have punter. That's why he got a punter as opposed
to a kicker.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
That's why it's not one guy doing it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Right, in high school, yes, usually kickers and punters.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Sometimes even then, though I think we had a different
punter from our kicker in high school.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
He played did he played other positions of course he had.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Yeah, yes, yes, our kickers and punters both played in
high school. They you play like pretty much both ways.
But I don't know if our kicker was our punter,
because I think we had our one of our offensive
linemen was our punter because he was huge.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
I think I've talked about this friend of mine before.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
His name was Rage. He played offensive line. He started
on our varsity team freshman year. Very very talented athlete,
very large guy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
Huge in Rage.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
We called him twinkle Toes in middle school because he
was like our kicker in middle school, and then I
think he did some punting in high school as like
a little nickname ankle Toes, just because he was so big.
It was like a play on it. Standing, it's crazy
Green Bays three and five year. Also, it's annoying that
Tampa's even in this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Tampa Bay five and four, Detroit five and four, Minnesota
seven and one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Tampa Bay in the NFC Central Central. Yes, that's ugly.
And who was in the last place as usual?

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
The Lions?

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
No, oh really, the Chicago Bears really seven two and
seven and two thousand at this time. Not surprised, right, Bears.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Eight and a half time ticking down as.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Chris boomer Berman used to do it, used to tick
tick tick tick tick. I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Three hundred and sixty yards to the Packers two hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
I mean, stretch the field out essentially, make sure you
have Gary Anderson try to kick, even though it's in
the rain, game winning field goal. So you're just going
to stretch the field own.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
What's Gary Anderson's limit? Fifty yards they praised him for
that forty eight yard or early.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
If you have Smith running again, if he's running three
three yards here, seven yards.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Yeah, if he's averaging at least four yards to carry here,
you can really see all that rain.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Look at that, huh yeah, next week, the Raiders and
the Broncos not here on the plane.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Look at this graphic a brick wall. Yeah, they've like
spray painted the Raiders and the Broncos on this brick wall.
And this weird ESPN office wall material. I don't even
know what to call that, like a cubicle material that
they put the ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
It was probably you know what, Office duput I probably
sponsored Office Depot.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Terrell Davis and Tyrone Wheatley. Yeah, having two games on
a Sunday is this pre horse caller. Yes, I feel
like it's got a horse caller. That not that that
was why.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Andreida Owens was four.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Yeah. Wow, Chris Carter, Randy Moss, no, no Lewis in
the second half, sherm Lewis.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Time is tick tick tick tick? Six thirty down.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Now it's a first down though, first catch for Chris
Carter in the second half.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Six twenty five to go with the game tied at twenty.
It's twenty twenty from the year to oh oh oh,
I'm talking about practice. Chris Carter is talking about Rack

(01:42:05):
Woo the Metrodome.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Dude's got hands. That was Carter's thing was he didn't
have crazy numbers, but he had glue for hands. He
had good numbers. I'm not saying he didn't, but in
terms of he didn't like he didn't have video game numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Yeah, not like Randy not like to three catches one
hundred and twenty five yards and touched up.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
What but you threw the ball towards Chris Carter, it
was like a ninety nine point nine percent chance he
was catching it. You had a better chance of Chris
Carter had a better chance of catching the ball than
you do of catching a cold every year.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Chris Carter looks at me right when I'm the sniffles.
Those are cheerleaders, by the way, not cheerleaders, but of
the cheering section.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Essentially the only wide receiver I can think of that
would have maybe better hands than Chris Carter. Obviously Jerry Rice,
but Larry Fitzgerald. It's one of those guys that just
never dropped the ball. Get a neck, Yeah, yep. Some
Sometimes you don't need all the statistics to five minutes

(01:43:10):
to go to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Define your career.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
If you can have like a statistic like a you know,
one hundred like what was it didn't DeAndre Hopkins go
like one hundred and ten catches for one hundred and
ten catches and it's like didn't have a drop or
something like, I forget what it was. But having a
like a season like that, you don't necessarily need to

(01:43:33):
have like the best statistics, Like you don't need to
be the number one receiving yard leader if you catch
every ball that's thrown to you, like if you have
one hundred percent you know, catch rate, ooh, almost picked off.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Stops the clock.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Roy Butler, the inventor of the Lambeau.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Leap for twenty two the inventor. Wow. They didn't leap before, Nope,
picked off.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
It was either a pick six or a pickoff against
the last Los Angeles Raiders in nineteen ninety three, and
he jumped into the into the into the stands. He
had the Lambeau leap.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Mitch Berger probably got a milky way in his uh
hish his cleats. Although you know what, I think he
only did that when he had shoes, because back then
you could wear shoes, you didn't. You didn't wear cleats
and domed stadiums. So they played in the Metrodome, right,
you essentially.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Wore like turf shoes or turf track tracks, track sneakers almost, yeah,
some some sort of like soccer cleat almost kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
Yeah, because you couldn't wear the spikes because you couldn't
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Hmm oh for seven five in his last seven past attempts.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
To Antonio Freeman, No, I was wrong. DeAndre Hopkins does
not have one hundred catch rate like or like he
didn't have one one season, gotcha? Maybe it was Larry
that I was thinking of. Antonio Freeman. Such a good player,
such an underrated player, he's a I saw a video

(01:45:26):
recently that was like it was obviously tailored to the Eagles.
I'm an Eagles fan, and it was like, who's one
Eagles player that every who's like one deep cut Eagles
player that every Eagles fan should John Randall right, And
there was like a bunch of different answers that people said,
you know, Todd Pinkston for the Eagles, or I remember

(01:45:49):
that name in agent. That's what I'm saying, like some
some deep cut names. Right. If you as a Green
Bay Packers fan, who is if you had to pick
one player that was like a deep cut player, not
a star like Rogers or or far whatever. If you
had to pick one deep cut player that every Packers
fan should know, who would you say? It's tough, right,

(01:46:13):
there's so many. The Packers have had a lot of talent,
because even a player like a J Hawk nowadays is
a big enough name. But he was, you know, like,
that's a deep cut player for the Packers.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
The kids do know who he is because he talks
about his playing days on the Pat McAfee show. Yes,
so there's no issue with that. Clay Matthews another guy.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
So Clay is one that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
I think should be a Hall of Famer, but I
don't know if he if he will maybe, but I
think Clay is a He's almost like not a deep
cut to me, Like if you watch football in the
twenty tens, like you knew Clay Matthews, Like, yeah, you couldn't.
You can't tell the story of the Packers in the
twenty tens without talking about Clay Matthews. Like if I

(01:46:57):
had to pick like a deep cut Packers player, like
the only reason I asked, thinking like Antonio Freeman's a
good one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
That like, that's not that's not a deep cut.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Though most Packers fans should know who Antonio Freeman is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
That's not a deep cut.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
You think kids nowadays know who Antonio Freeman is like
young Packers fans.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
Yes, okay, I'm not gonna argue with you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
I trust you. You better not. No, I was just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
A deep cut for the Packers again, doesn't have to
be offensive defense, right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
No, anyone?

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Okay? All right? And if it's better almost if I
don't know them, because then it's a good deep cut,
you know what I mean? You know some Yeah, no,
I know I know a lot of players, Like even
if I know them. I'm not going to say it's
not a deep cut. I'm just saying, like there, you
probably know a lot more Packers players than I do, like.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
I would hope.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
So I've been watching them since nineteen ninety three, right Freeman,
it's just Freeman's drive right now. Just get on the line,
on the line, just shut up and hike the ball.

(01:48:06):
The offensive lineman, Denny Green throw the flag. Denny Green
throws the flag to forty one. The offensive lineman having
a conversation with FIV. It's like, dude, shut up and
get on the line. I don't care who you block
or what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Get on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
We're hiking the ball. We don't want them to throw
the flag.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
The here it is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
I think it's a catch. It looked good from in
like real time. No, actually it was not. That was
definitely an incomplete bit. Immediately was like Dan Felts, shut
you down. Yeah, we'll watch. It goes right through his hands,
right off the ground. Definitely not a catch on the

(01:49:00):
turf as they say. Yeah, I was trying to defend
my guy, but can't.

Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
Can't on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
A deep cut for the Packers. Andre Rising didn't last
very long with the Packers. Took his Super Bowl ringing
through it in the river, which was stupid because he
thought he was going to win a whole bunch more
he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
The Andre bad Moon Rising, that's a good one. I'd
take that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
He made a catch in the Super Bowl anything. He
got a touchdown in the Super Bowl, I believe against
the Patriots. When you watched the first five minutes of
the of green Bay's offense, it was going to be
a long night the.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Patriots. I like it like a deep cut for the Eagles,
Like I would even say, like fred X, fred X
is a deep cut. I mean, if you watched her,
like I think every Eagles fan, no one in that video,
by the way, says fred X okay that like Todd's
Todd Pinkston was a good one that I was like,

(01:50:08):
like I heard, No, I wouldn't say he's a deep cut.
Shady's too good. He's too good to be a deep
cut Hall of Fame, you know, I don't know if
I don't think he's gonna get in. As much as
I love Shady and he's he's probably one of the
more unique players. Yeah, yeah, Shady's one of the more

(01:50:31):
unique players I've ever seen play football. Like the way
he held the football was unique, Yes, like one hand out,
like gripping it like a loaf of bread going.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Through the grocery. I don't advise that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
No, Shady very lucky the way he played, but also
very talent. Excuse me, very talented.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Did you ever see the Eagles uh city Philadelphia city flag?
You remember those, right? I don't know if the city
flag uniforms they wore.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Oh wait, are you talking about the blue and yeah ones? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
the ugly, ugly ones. They only wore them. I think
I think I've only seen them wear them like maybe once,
or I think they wore them twice a don of
McNab McNabb was. I think they wore them once with
McNabb and maybe once with Shady and Vic. I can't
remember if they were if Vic warrehm, I remember I

(01:51:20):
remember Vic wearing the uh, the Kelly's, the Kelly Yeah,
Kelly Kelly greens. Yeah, the Kelly Blue books, Kelly Kelly
blue book value.

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
No, I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
I remember where Vic wearing the Kelly greens, but the
blue and yellows. It was like Brian Westbrook McNabb and.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
They're already telling you the overtime rules should they get.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
There, No replay challenges ends in a tie. So stupid
football has been around for so long? Yeah, why has
ever has anyone been like the tie is good?

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Competition Committee probably voted on it's so stupid. Like, just remember, folks,
there's thirty one NFL owners, not thirty two, because the
Green Bay Packers are essentially individually owned. Now they have
a president and everything like that, but in terms of
a governing body as an owner, they do not have
one season ticket holders are essentially.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
Next time the shares are open, yeah, I'll be buying one.
I've already made that publicly clear.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Yes, for a while, which will be a conflict of interest,
but you don't care what.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
A conflict of interest for For whenever the Packers face
the Eagles, Yeah, I'll still support the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
But I mean, if the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
Packers this is why this generation is cooked. If the
pack hearing you say the word cooked is crazy. Uh,
the your generation is checked. I'm just gonna go the Uh.
I want to be a shareholder. I want to. I
want to, even if it's I get a goodie bag

(01:52:55):
once a year.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
Like, I don't care. I want to be a shareholder
of an NFL team.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
Because the only team you can do that right now
is the Packers is the Green Bay Packers. They're an
overtime now, folks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Green fumbled the ball, but it looked like the lineman
got on it, or they might say he was down.
I'm on Green talented running back? Who did they have
running the ball after he left? Because he was a
round for a while. I feel like he was look
at him on Green. There he is.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
Twenty twenty touches for six sixty yards.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Excuse me, only three yards of carry, which is not
that good. The Packers offense hasn't really done anything this
entire game. It's been Minnesota all night, even though Moss
has You have to get a touchdown? Yeah, I know,
first down, you missed the dial of down? What do

(01:53:47):
you mean like that? Yeah? That way or no. We've
got the tech dology now to No, not necessarily because
I think it as long as it's.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
Accurate to me, it just prolongs the game.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
What the chain? Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like
I don't mind the electronic yeah, because as long as
it's accurate, Like yes, if now, if for some reason
a study comes out that the you know, like change
the virtual chain gang whatever you want to call it,
the electronic chain gang. If it comes out that like

(01:54:22):
it's statistically inaccurate, like maybe then I would say, like
go back to the physical chain gang. But I mean,
it's like you said, it prolongs the game. It's just
getting them to walk out. They're getting them to get better.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
You've got them, said, I've got ABS starting next year
in baseball, And we saw that during the Major League
Baseball All Stair Game, which you can catch on the
playback because we did the first ever instant classic and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Incomplete no, it's incomplete.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
Uh, Abs. It seemed to work. So and we've seen
it in minor league ballparks. It's the up are still
gonna be there, folks. Okay, there's this belief that ABS
is going to wipe out the umpire. It's like no, no, no, no, no, no,
it's kind of correct.

Speaker 4 (01:55:10):
Yes, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Yeah, it's like tennis. There's still officials in tennis. Yes,
And that's the thing that that's the thing that I've
had I've been hearing a lot of recently, is why
in tennis, I hit a ball, right, If I look
up to you and I say, hey, can I get
that checked? It hits the line or whatever, it takes

(01:55:34):
half a second for like fifty five cameras to It
takes like half a second for like fifty five cameras
to gather all the information and like triangulate one angle
to show you, yep, it hit the line. It takes
like half a second for that to happen. Why can't
we do that in all these other sports? In football,
in baseball, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
In the NBA, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Like why does it take so long long for reviews
and things like why isn't it like why why don't
we just have more cameras at all these events? Like
look at it, it's pouring. Yeah, I know the rain
has started to come down. Like you can't really tell
here when they're just showing the wide angle broadcasts yep,

(01:56:19):
But when they cut to the sidelines or when you
see the cameras, you can see the rain like coming down. Yeah,
over time. Vikes twenty pack twenty fikes. I was reading
the bug I know, Vikes is so is that an

(01:56:40):
ick for you? No?

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
I just I would expect that, like in the preseason,
not the regular season on a national broadcast.

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
You know, like Vikes and Pack. Have you ever called
them the pack?

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
Like do you do you just go pack go? Yeah,
I'm just gonna say, like, you don't have a problem
with the pack, not at all. You just want GB
and men. Yeah, third and four, that's all. Yeah, playing

(01:57:17):
almost like a metal linebacker. Third and four.

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
Look at this formation, a little wipe job on a football.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Make sure they're not they're not, you know, to inflate right.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
Yeah, fire throws it up here comes.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
Where it is, and the Green Bay Packers stunned the
Minnesota Vikings in overtime the improbable babble.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
They walk it off on an Antonio Freeman top play,
one of the.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
One of the greatest football players of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Yeah, I've seen that on so many top towns, so
many top one hundred, like greatest NFL plays like Dennis Miller.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
And Brett.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
Just Brett was rushed immediately, like he threw that up immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
You've seen this image so many times.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
This was the camp. Yeah, this is the camera angle
I was talking about, this found footage type camera angle.
It makes the shot more iconic because you you get
such a great.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
Angle of him laying on the ground and catching it.

Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, h.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
Wow, what a Monday Night football. What a playback?

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
Hey, good thing they dried the ball off. Yes, good
thing they dried the ball off. The fans. You can
hear the fans there, they're going insane, folks.

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
This one fan losing it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
This was the eve of the election, by the way,
crazy the eve of the two thousand presidential election right here.

Speaker 4 (02:00:40):
Wow, what a game? Not impossible, improbable.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
The Improbable Babble twenty six to twenty the final. The
Minnesota Vikings are stunned. They are stunned in Green Bay,
Boys and Girls. The Green Bay Packers get the win
in overtime with the Improbable Bobble over the Minnesota Vikings.
Classic Monday Night Football from two thousand.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
You're listening to the playback with Jay Dog and CJ.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
On the Pulse podcast Network.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
The aftermath of one of the most breath taking games
you've ever seen. I guess that's one way to put
it siege is see the Improbable Bobble between the Green
Bay Packers and the Minnesota Vikings back in the eve
of Election Day two thousand. The penultimately the day before
election days. So basically November of two thousand and overtime win,

(02:01:38):
the Green Bay Packers defeating the Minnesota Vikings in overtime,
and we're gonna start off with the best bet award.
If you were betting back then, what would the money
line have looked like? Talk about the odds and you
know how risky it would have been, and what's it
looking like.

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
So our bookie, CJ, that's me here thrown on the
sports betting Cap, did some diving the money line for
this game going into it. The Packers minus one seventy
the Vikings plus one and forty five, Packers favorites at
home in a tight division, even though the Vikings had
a better record. As we saw, the Vikings had a
better record and the Packers were struggling at this moment

(02:02:18):
in time, they were what three and five I think
at the at the time that they played this game.

Speaker 1 (02:02:23):
So three it was either three and five or three
and six.

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
No, I think it was three and five, but I
think the Vikings only had like one loss at the time.
Two now two Now, obviously, the Vikings money line probably
would have looked appetizing if you were a better because
you're like plus one forty five for Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (02:02:40):
It's really nice.

Speaker 3 (02:02:42):
Yeah, but I think the Packers minus one seventy was
a solid money line as well.

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
So Vikings were what Vikings.

Speaker 3 (02:02:48):
Were plus one forty five minus one seven spread? The
spread was three and a half points. Packers were minus
three and a half, Vikings plus three and a half. Okay,
got it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
Both of those were minus one ten on the odds.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
What was the points?

Speaker 4 (02:03:03):
The over under for total points was forty four and
a half.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
So we didn't wouldn't have gotten that one, right or yes,
would have? Oh, yes, would have because what was it
twenty twenty six to twenty? Was it twenty? Yeah, so
we wouldn't have gotten it by a point and a half.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
Yeah, And the over was minus one fifteen, so the
over under of points was forty forty four and a
half a half. Yeah, The actual points scored was forty
six points. Your best bet here, I think would have
been to take the Packers on the spread, Okay, at
twenty six to twenty What was it twenty six to

(02:03:41):
twenty was final score? Yeah? Yeah, so three and a
half points the Packers would have covered the spread minus
one ten is your best odds anywhere because the over
was minus one fifteen. The Packers were minus one seventy
on the money line, So the spread Packers winning by
minus three and a half at minus one ten would
have been your bet. It would have been the closest

(02:04:01):
to plus money that would have won Jada. Going into
the game, you obviously would have taken the Packers. What
would you have.

Speaker 4 (02:04:07):
Gone with the money line?

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
Probably money line?

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel.

Speaker 3 (02:04:10):
Like the money line would have been up your ally,
So JADAG would have taken the money line. But your
best bet for this playback was the Packers at minus
three and a half. Hon. Yes, the fact that they
covered the spread was incredible on a game that I
didn't think that. I didn't think that it would end
that way. Obviously I knew this play, but I don't

(02:04:31):
think it. I don't think anyone expected it to in
that way.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Correct. We again, wetball, wet game. It really started to
pour in the second half. Was calming down a little
bit when they after the first quarter are getting into
halftime second half.

Speaker 4 (02:04:46):
Oh yeah, is pouring at the at the end of
the game, it was pouring.

Speaker 1 (02:04:49):
It was the wet tundra at lambeau Field, not the
frozen tundra at lambeau Field in early November of two thousand.
Worst Athletic Moment Award. What went terribly? Was it a
choke collapse or just playing bad luck? I'm going to
go back to the second quarter and the Tyrone Davis drop,
perfect spiral from Brett Favre, an easy catch. You can

(02:05:11):
catch a cold as good as you can catch that football.

Speaker 3 (02:05:14):
Yeah you could. I mean, dude drops habits like he
has a tougher time dropping habits than he did that football.
Yeah what I mean like.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
Farv could have easily just handed him the ball, that
is how easy it was, and Davis dropped it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
I'm gonna go not with one specific moment, the Davis moment.

Speaker 4 (02:05:30):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (02:05:31):
I wasn't thinking about that, But I'm gonna go with
the Dante Culpepper turnovers. I think that really cost the
team because I think that Vikings offense was cooking.

Speaker 1 (02:05:39):
You know, you got Randy Moss did not get a
touchdown in this game.

Speaker 4 (02:05:43):
Yeah, that's or even even better.

Speaker 3 (02:05:45):
You know, I'm gonna put Culpeper's picks, Yeah, but I'm
also gonna put Randy Moss not getting the ball in
the second half, no catch up.

Speaker 1 (02:05:52):
That's a coach you know what that is. That's a
coaching thing right there. Yeah, Dennis Green was not don't
know what was going on there.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Danny Green and even even Chris Carter didn't get a
catch until the fourth quarter like in the second half.
They both had catches in the first half, but the
Packers even shut them down. And again that's a coaching thing. Though,
that's not worst athletic moments, so.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
You've got to make adjustments for that to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:06:16):
I don't think that necessarily fits worst athletic moments, so
I'll still give it to Culpeper's picks. But yeah, I
do want to mention Randy not getting a catch. That's
that's so obscene.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
I do have an honorable mention about worst athletic moment. Okay,
the Vikings special teams imploded.

Speaker 3 (02:06:31):
Oh yeah, the whoever I don't know the returner's name,
but the gentleman that returned for the punts for Minnesota
who fumbled it. Yes, that was costly. Yeah, that was huge.

Speaker 4 (02:06:43):
So yeah, honorable mentioned special teams for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
The Peak Physical Specimen Award who looked like the ultimate athlete.
You know, we're talking physique and durrance dominance. Randy Moss. Yeah,
he makes these freak catches that no one else can make.
There's not even Justin Jefferson, No, Randy, there's only one Moss. Yes,
well there's two. You got the one that was doing
horse racing on NBC back in the day when he
had the ponytail. Well, there's only one that plays football.

Speaker 4 (02:07:09):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
I think Randy is probably the peak physical specimen that
prime the way he contwarts his body. And we keep
saying it over and over again. The video game numbers, Yeah,
it was like what three catches, four catches, one hundred
and like twenty receiving yards or something. Yeah, he had

(02:07:30):
no touchdowns, but it's like it doesn't matter. He catches
open field and he's gone. Randy was truly one of
the You're you're lucky if you lived during the period
that Randy Moss played football. You're you're a lucky human
being to be able to witness that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
Randy Moss.

Speaker 3 (02:07:45):
Yes, yeah, Hall of Famer, that's yeah, that's my picks.
She got the ring, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:07:50):
In Sana Francisco.

Speaker 3 (02:07:52):
I wish he got it in New England. Not that
I really care about New England or whatever. I'm glad
my dad's a Giants fan. I bet he doesn't want that,
oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
But you remember those t shirts?

Speaker 3 (02:08:01):
Right, Oh, my dad's got the bumper sticker on his truck.
I'll say he's Oh, he's got like the what the
eighteen and one? I'm pretty sure my dad's got like the.

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
You know what it says, right, what one giant loss.

Speaker 3 (02:08:13):
Oh, my dad's got one of those like peeing cartoon characters.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
Oh, Calvin and Hobbes.

Speaker 3 (02:08:20):
Yeah, like peeing on the It's like an eighteen or
like a nineteen nineteen record.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
Yeah, you know what. By the way, he needs to
see a urologist. He's just you're everything, dude. Okay, how
much soda have you had?

Speaker 3 (02:08:37):
It's a little dark too. You need some water, buddy, Yeah, hydrate?
Much soda have you had? How much gatorade does a
guy need?

Speaker 1 (02:08:47):
My goodness? Okay, best sports nickname? Who had the most
legendary nickname and uh perfectly fitting hilarious all the above,
Frankie Bag of Doughnuts winter winters.

Speaker 3 (02:08:59):
I'll give to Frankie bagadonas I didn't have one because
there's not really nicknames being tossed around here, you know,
in this all honorable mention Darren Sharper the hardest hitting
safety in the lead. It's not a in the league,
it's not a nickname. But wasn't he the Sharper Image?

Speaker 4 (02:09:16):
Oh, sharper Image.

Speaker 3 (02:09:18):
He was the Sharper Image when he was in New Orleans.
I'm pretty sure he was the Sharper Image. That's a
good nickname. I'll go with Frankie bagadonuts though, I got
to show you that, uh, Greg Guinness, I gotta show
you that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
But best Mike work, who talked the talk, best interviews,
trash talk or sound bites? Now we had, you had
Randy Moss miked up. I didn't really say anything.

Speaker 4 (02:09:39):
No, I do think that you can.

Speaker 3 (02:09:41):
I think it's an honorable mention to mention it, though,
Like I like the micd up part he did at.

Speaker 4 (02:09:45):
The beginning, but it was literally like a ten second
sound bite.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
Best Mike is obviously Al Michaels.

Speaker 3 (02:09:51):
The go he did what I know, I touched down.
Literally all I have on my paper is he did
what That's one of the greatest calls that catch and
if you listen again Michaels, Yeah, he uh.

Speaker 4 (02:10:05):
He calls it incomplete at first.

Speaker 3 (02:10:08):
He does. He doesn't know what's going on. You, No,
he sees it. He's like, and that's an incomplete pass.
Oh wait, it looks like Freeman's gonna he's gonna make
the catch. He did. What It's such a good call.
Al Michaels, of course, my favorite, my idol in the
broadcasting world, and absolutely killed it there. One of the
best soundbites in me again history.

Speaker 1 (02:10:30):
We talked about this with Dan Fouts and Dennis Miller.
They complimented each other. Well, oh, I.

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
Thought that whole group was entertaining.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
We talked about this during the revenge game between the
Tampa Bay Bucks and the Saint Louis Rams. That was
the first time that you had seen or heard Al
Michaels with Dan Fouts and Dennis Miller again. Only went
for two seasons. Yes, oh one.

Speaker 3 (02:10:52):
I like the three person crew, though I sometimes wonder,
not that this has anything to do with with or
anything like that, but a lot of like the shows
or podcasts that I tune into, we'll just say a
lot of them have like a larger cast doesn't make

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sense like the Pat McAfee show.

Speaker 1 (02:11:16):
He has a cast of characters.

Speaker 3 (02:11:18):
Same with the Dan LeBatard Show and the Dan Patrick Show.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Yes, like they have a cast of that. You have
the Dan Nettes, right, you have the shipping container for
the Dan Lebotard Show. Right, you have a cast of characters.

Speaker 3 (02:11:28):
Right, and not that I think like me and you
could even benefit having like a third person and not
maybe not all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:11:34):
I want a live studio audience. I want the peoples. Okay,
I want medicated Pete over there. That's from the Howard
Stern Show.

Speaker 3 (02:11:42):
So basically what I'm saying, I like that they have
three people in the booth, and maybe they need to
go back in that direction with some of these football
games nowadays, like bring back Get two, like analysts in
there have like one color comment in two analysts or Well.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
The problem with that is that this was back in
the late two thousand, in the two thousands into the
twenty tens, there was a research group that did what why,
what works and what doesn't, and these networks basically went
along with that because there was a time where you
had three person booths like you did on Monday Night football.

Speaker 3 (02:12:22):
Well, I mean I get fiscally, it's probably easier to
just have to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:27):
The way the NFL's throw up making money and throwing
money around. It's like who cares like you could you
could easily get because do you I'll see if you
remember this. Okay, do you remember who Joe Buck's broadcast
partner after with UH with Trey Aikman was, No, before
it became a two man booth. No, it was Chris

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collins Worth. Oh so it was. Yeah, you had the
quarterback perspective, you had the wide receiver perspective. This was
back in the two thousands.

Speaker 3 (02:12:57):
Yeah, but I don't I don't need to listen to
collins Worth already, and I already don't really want to
listen to Aikman. I've been enjoying Aikman more this season
at press time.

Speaker 1 (02:13:06):
That he does Monday night football at ESPN with Joebo.

Speaker 3 (02:13:08):
Not even not even because he's on Monday. He's just
been way more efficient. No, it's not the word I'm
looking for. It's more like he's Troy has just been
unfiltered almost where he's just like doesn't care about calling
out the refs. I think he's starting to just you know,

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have less care kind of but not in an UNPC way,
like he's still he's acceptable to be on TV and stuff,
but he's just unfiltered in the sense that like he's
not going to hold back against making comments about the
refs or bad football essentially, like he's gonna call it
how he sees it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:50):
So especially what was it? Uh it was last week
the Broncos and the Bengals. Wolf. Yeah they called that game. Yeah,
coolest Moment award, the absolute chillest's sickest moment. Could this
be a celebration of walk off or icy stare down?
This is a walk off, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (02:14:09):
Yeah, this is a walk off.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
The improbable bobble.

Speaker 3 (02:14:11):
Yeah, it's got to be the catch the I mean,
there isn't a play. I talked about it at the
beginning or at like halftime during the playback is like
it's good football here, it's competitive football. The score stays
getting Yeah, but there's no there's no like big plays
before that final catch.

Speaker 4 (02:14:32):
It's it's that's the play of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
Yes, the improbable bobble, it's there for a reason, folks.

Speaker 4 (02:14:37):
Yes, yeah, so, I mean it's literally the name of
the game.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
Yes, And al Michael saying you couldn't if you filmed
the Hollywood movie, you couldn't get that on.

Speaker 3 (02:14:46):
Those I know that is a good one. I'm glad
you brought that up. I wanted to mention that for
best mic work.

Speaker 1 (02:14:51):
Okay, did it age well? Looking back? Does it hold
up any context changes changes? Or does it feel cringey?

Speaker 3 (02:14:57):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
This holds up. You know why it does Why because
you see it in highlight reels. You still see this
to this day. It was twenty five years ago. Yeah,
and you're doing the history of the NFL and they're
showing sick catches and great throws, this that and the other,
and great sat you know, great quarterback sacks and great
runs and great anything. When you tell the history of
the NFL and turns and when it comes to unpredictable

(02:15:18):
great plays, it's on there. This game is a really
is because of that.

Speaker 3 (02:15:22):
Yes, when I uh, you know, I caught this game
growing up. But even like not like it doesn't even
matter if I watch the game or not. I've heard
Al Michael say he did what. I've heard that clip
a million times. I've seen Antonio Freeman make that catch
so many times because it's such an amazing play on

(02:15:46):
Monday Night Football nonetheless, like on on the biggest stage
of you know, the regular scenes. At the time, it
was yes, you know network television on ABC. Yeah, like,
but but Monday night Football is prime time.

Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
Yes, that's they were kicking the game with games off
at nine pm Eastern at the time.

Speaker 3 (02:16:02):
Yeah, so it was like everyone in America and not everyone,
but most people in America were probably tuned in and
got to see that amazing play. And as far as
does it hold up, yeah, I always go back to it.
If we brought an alien here and showed them football,
they would be impressed.

Speaker 4 (02:16:18):
That would that was impressive.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
They wouldn't say, take me to your leader.

Speaker 3 (02:16:22):
Probably not right now they They probably wouldn't say that
right now.

Speaker 1 (02:16:27):
No, you're onto something when you when you go yes, absolutely,
but yeah, I think you're something.

Speaker 3 (02:16:32):
I think it does age well. And it was only
twenty five years only twenty five years ago.

Speaker 4 (02:16:37):
Yeah, I know you say only in my back.

Speaker 3 (02:16:39):
Hurts, but yeah, I think my knees creaked when I
said it was only twenty five years ago. This is
an incredible game. Antonio Freeman, incredible player and a tight
one that that's what makes it if it was a blowout,
we wouldn't have watched. Yeah, well, if he makes this
catch at in the first quarter and it's the Packers

(02:17:00):
go on to win thirty to nothing, it's like.

Speaker 1 (02:17:02):
It's a seminal moment in the sense that that's why
one of the reasons why they want but it's not
the reason.

Speaker 3 (02:17:06):
And even then, it's not like this happened in over
You wouldn't you wouldn't even want to watch the game
after that. I mean maybe a Packers fan would want
to catch, but not right. Yeah, this though, to win
the game, to walk it off definitely holds up and
definitely age as well. I'd have to say.

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
Us, okay, before we end this this broadcast, right before
we end this podcast, what I mean by ending it
this edition? Correct, Okay, this is the one of the
greatest catches I've ever seen. You know what another underrated
catch was and we may do this down the line,
who knows, I know if you remember this or not.
I think it was the catch of the decade in
my mind. Packers bears back in I want to say

(02:17:45):
twenty thirteen. It was a fourth down, a fourth and
long in Chicago. Aaron Rodgers throws this miracle pass to
Randall Cobb. You probably remember it, but because it was
a season saving catch too, because the Packers ended up
going to the playoffs and I think making it all
the way to the either second round. Let's see, this

(02:18:06):
was the thirteen season, so they got i think to
the second round against the Seahawks. I'm pretty sure, because
the Seahawks won it all that year, that thirteen season
into fourteen. Yes, so I'll show that to you at
some point. But there you have it, folks. The Improbable
Babble is classic Monday Night Football rolls on from two thousand.
We want to give a special thanks to coach Coups
on YouTube. He was, of course using the NFL network

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feed from Monday Night Football, which was on ABC back
in two thousand and more additions of Monday Night Football
roll on seage. We're just again, We're just getting started. Yeah,
I know, we're barely We're into October now, we're barely
scraping the surface.

Speaker 3 (02:18:43):
We've got a ton of playbacks on the way, including baseball.

Speaker 1 (02:18:46):
Yeah, we've got all six games of the World Series
from nineteen ninety five feature in Cleveland and Atlanta. Because
this guy likes to take the knife and stick it
in and twist it. That's what he likes to do.

Speaker 3 (02:18:56):
It's like a voodoo doll in Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom. Believe Jay Dog's Doom. Now, well, it
will be on playback. Somebody on the Dan Levatard Show
who said, you know what they should cut when? When
when Indiana Jones which is of course Dan Jones, right,
and the Colts when they go to Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
You know what they should call it? But Indiana Jones
in the Temple of Duvau. How about that skin?

Speaker 3 (02:19:19):
That was pretty good. When I saw it, I was like,
oh that, I gotta use that.

Speaker 1 (02:19:22):
And I'm not gonna steal We're gonna take it and
put it on this on this podcast. Well, anyway, Siege
Johnson his last match will be. It is official. It
will be on December thirteenth, on Saturday Night's main event,
which will be on Peacock Right, Yes, that's on a Saturday.
We don't know who it's against, but I have picked
out what match we're gonna use. You want to, I

(02:19:44):
can tell we can talk about it now.

Speaker 3 (02:19:45):
Yeah, go say it, Okay, drop it on us, now,
drop it on the on the playbackers.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
Drop it like it's hot.

Speaker 3 (02:19:50):
Yep. Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:19:52):
The match that I picked was his match in twenty
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Texas for the WWE Championship against the phenomenal A J Styles. Okay,
it's actually pretty good. So we're gonna have that one
for you on December thirteenth. We're gonna have that launched

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the day of. We're gonna put that on in December.

Speaker 4 (02:20:16):
As like a warm up for you before John Cena
takes the ring. One line.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
Correct, We did that with Goldberg, remember, Yeah, Goldberg versus
Hollywood Hogan before Goldberg took on Goonther on Saturday Nights
made event in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (02:20:27):
What was it his one hundredth like win in a
row or something like that, Goldberg against Hogan.

Speaker 1 (02:20:32):
Yeah, is one hundred and eighth.

Speaker 4 (02:20:33):
That's what it was, one hundred and eighth.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:20:36):
I remember your favorite line was your careers on the Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was Bobby the brain heating your careers on the line.

Speaker 3 (02:20:42):
Yeah, that's so good.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
Anyway, we're gonna have more wrastling. We're gonna have boxing
we're gonna have the Miracle on ice.

Speaker 4 (02:20:49):
Hockey coming up.

Speaker 1 (02:20:49):
I was just nineteen eighty. Yeah, we're gonna have that
for you. We're gonna have nineteen seventy five World Series
Game six, the day of which will be October twenty first.
It'll be fifty years to the date. We're gonna have
that for you. More Monday Night football and the Thanksgiving
game between the Dallas Cowboys hosting the Minnesota Vikings little
known receiver named Randy Moss. Essentially not as coming out party,

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but you knew who he was his rookie year and
that game alone, you knew something was very special with
this guy.

Speaker 4 (02:21:21):
Yeah, the one and only Randy Moss.

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