The Playback #26---Monday Night Football Classics---Kansas City Chiefs at Denver Broncos---1994

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is a production of the Pulse podcast network.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In this edition of the Playback, Jay Dog and ce
J look back on the Final Showdown Joe Montana versus
John Elway. The Kansas City Chiefs battled to Denver Broncos
on October seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, from Mile High Stadium
in Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Night football classics continue here on the Playback and Siege.
I didn't watch this game. I just want to give
you the heads up on that. This was in October
of nineteen ninety four, and let's see my mother's house.
We were probably watching Monday Night Raw at the time,
if I have to now, what was supposed to be happening.
Of course is getting close, if not to the nineteen

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ninety four World Series, which was supposed to be on ABC.
I believe, however, the baseball strike made sure that that
wasn't going to happen. And this is very exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm I'm actually like over the moon excited just because
well we've.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Done these before. You get just keep getting more excited because.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Any anytime we get the mac dude, Yeah, anytime we
get to do football anything, football is my favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Lynn Elliot, the kicker for the Chiefs. Right when you
would miss kicks, it would call him Lynn idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
You want to know something, by the way, Yeah, I've
probably already mentioned it before, but I missed the kickoff,
the OG kickoff. I miss it, like what a I
I understand the game is trying to update and be
more safe for the players, which is understandable as someone
who's played football. You know, growing up, I played football

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all the way through high school. I didn't play after
high school, but took a number of shots to the head,
had some documented concussions, and it's brutal. It's not fun
to have and the after effects of what it feels
like on your brain is brutal. So I understand the
safety precautions and I'm for it, of course, though I
do want to see the game played.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Seventy fifth anniversary of the NFL right here, So the
Broncos and the Chiefs. They're not wearing retro uniforms at
the time it was retro. And there's Shannon Sharp yes
whatever happened to him, John Elway and Joe Montana. This
is a classic. Last time these two guys meet up
because the Chiefs play the Broncos again later on in
the season, however, Joe Montana, I think he's injured or

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just takes a game off because the Chiefs are in
the playoffs. So Steve Bono becomes the quarterback, the starter
for Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
And then what Montana would leave after the season, Yeah, yep,
because obviously Elway stayed in Denver.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
His whole career. Correct, You would play five more years, go.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
On to win four more years ago, go on to
win what two more Super Bowls?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
You mean two more? You only had two?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, yeah, but I'm saying did he win He hadn't
won one at this Montana.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
By the way, one of the biggest routes in history
was like fifty five to ten. Four years before that,
San Francisco versus Denver fifty five to ten. There's Wade Phillips,
the Wade Phillips's coach of the Denver Broncos at the time,
Marty Schottenheimer, the late Great he was the head coach
of the Kansas City Chiefs. He never could win the
big one, whether it was Cleveland against John Ellwi and company.

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You know, the drive of the fumble, right, whether it
would be Kansas City, whether it would be at the
time San Diego. He just never could win the big one.
Elway could gun it. Yeah, that looked like a good
as just a little off target. Uh.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Two impressive coaches. Wade Phillips definitely slept on. I mean
he cows you in the UFL. Now he kind of
fell I don't want to say fell off. That's not
the right word. But he lost some credibility during his
time in Dallas. Yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
There's Marty Schottenheimer.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yep, the late great Marty Schottenheimer. I like these starter jackets.
By the way, I missed the starter its Apex won
Oh okay, it looks like same thing as like that
starter material that windbreaker.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
One of my best pal Vin is he where I
bought him an Apex old school Tampa Bay Bucks, the
orange and cream back. It's a nineteen ninety two hat.
And Elway gets sacked and.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
The whole Chiefe defense is surrounding him. No offensive lineman
can't get it. He got sacked and.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
There was a whole there was a penalty. Yeah, do
we know the number on that.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I need to get that man's number, get that man
out of the If I'm a coach, can't be taken to.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Good penalties like that. Discipline.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
That's the number one reason why teams lose in the
NFL every single year.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, because it's four down.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, but I mean it doesn't matter you're gonna if
you're gonna hold. First off, if you're gonna hold my quarterback,
better not be getting hit at all. The fact that
he gets held here and they still sack him, it's like,
come on, man.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was nowhere near field goal coverage. So as a result,
it's punk time from the Denver broadcos Danan Hughes. Now,
that was close to being roughing the kicker. That was
close to almost being blocked too. That was a good dive.
I got the It was again it was a Tampa
Bay Bucks hat and the anticipation of seeing WrestleMania in

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twenty twenty in Tampa, but the pandemic happened, so they
of course ended up moving it to the following year,
twenty twenty one. So I was able to give him
the hat. So he still has it.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
So wait, did you go down to Raymond James Stadium?
Oh word, I didn't know that you went to I
didn't know you saw that at Raymond James. Marcus Allen
Hall of Famer starting running back here, very exciting. John
Alt is that the father of Joe.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
All it might be.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Let me double check that real quick on and Will Shields.
I'm pretty sure another Hall of Famer there. Let me
look up John Alt.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, when both that. That was the first wrestle Manni
I went to. It was in Tampa, So that was
in twenty twenty one. That was the first live two nights,
so a limited capacity because the pandemic was still going on.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
So Alt's son Joe was selected fifth overall in the
twenty twenty four draft by the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Cool Willie Davis, What uniforms do you like better?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Right here? I feel like the Chiefs are just generic
Chiefs uniforms. The Broncos those white pants are not working
for the Chiefs. I hate it when they wear and
they still wear those to this day. So sometimes look how.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Big John Alt is. Sorry to get a big boy. Yeah,
I keep getting distracted, understandable. I think I.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Might like the Chiefs uniform still though, just because like
they haven't changed him. The Broncos uniforms here kind of gross,
Like I like.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
The It's funny you mentioned that because a lot of
people actually like these I do.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I don't mind him, but I like the I like
the T D uniforms. Like I grew up in the
Terrell Davis era, so like I I liked those.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Like ninety seven was there?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
They changed it that like a dark navy blue.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah they changed it. Yeah, they got the helmet scheme
and everything. A more mean looking broadco.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Like this is. This is too close to almost like the.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Simon Fletcher as one of the most rarest starting lineup
action figures of all time. But guess what I got it.
Carl Mecklenberger Berg as well. Uh.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Also Steve Atwater. Steve Attwater, I'm pretty sure he's a
Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I believe he is.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I'll double check real quick. Yeah, Steve Atwater probably the
main piece on this defense here.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
For the secondary Carl Mecklenberg, I'm not sure if he's
in the Hall of Fame or not. At press time, again,
this is what ABC had Monday Night football. Marcus Allen,
who used to run rough shot over the broadcast when
he was with the Raiders, doing the same now as
a member of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
One of the greatest running backs in all of the.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Super Bowl MVP I believe that he was the first
roll MVP of the day. Well not the year, but
the Super Bowl in eighty three doesn't count for me
because I was not born until after that Super So
the one in eighty four between Washington and the LA
Raiders in Tampa in January of eighty four is the
first one of my lifetime. And he ran rough shot
all over Washington.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh nice, Yeah, I love to hear that anytime Washington
gets absolute least.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
A third and one Now for their Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
At Water by the way, is a Hall of Famer.
He was elected during twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
So eight time Pro bowler Montana dropping back. Nope, what
was that supposed to be? Joe Montana?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
This is Joe Montana towards the end, so.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
It looks like he's Joe flated deflated.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, remember it's not over. It's over.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, we're just starting. Yeah, but it hit That just
doesn't look like.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Simpler time sage. You had ABC having Monday Night Football.
It was on at nine pm. This was the thirty
fifth anniversary of MNF, the thirty fifth season, if you will.
In nineteen ninety four, this sport was becoming America's national
passion because the other sport, you know, the one that
has a baseball and a baseball bat, took its ball
and went home from August, well, August twelfth of nineteen

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ninety four, all the way until spring training of nineteen
ninety five.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Prior to the World Series being canceled, or like.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, it was canceled for the first time since nineteen
oh four.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Like prior to the World Series being canceled, like obviously
in twenty twenty five, football is everything. It's the most
popular sport this year, this year of nineteen ninety four.
Is this the reason for this?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's the turning of the page?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Like before that you think baseball was more popular?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Was it got double the ratings? Wow? The only time,
the only time the ratings ever mattered for football was
one game and one game only, the Super Bowl. That
was it.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now it's every game they play every day. Off is
is football content?

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Football content? And also this was a sixteen game season. Also,
concussions were not as looked upon observed, right people, Yeah,
they didn't think anything of it. Also, remember information super
highway back then there was no barely any Internet. You
had to be really privileged to get it. It really

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wasn't available to the masses until like ninety five ninety
six in terms of.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
And the thing is, even if you had the Internet,
it was like dial up.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
It was like it was dial up and you couldn't
do much with it in terms of you know, you
could chat with friends, you couldn't. There was no there
was no purchasing thing that well, no you speak of
unless you had a hobby shop you knew about. And
again that was very limited, very niche limited, very niche.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yes, I grew up playing like backyard football on the
computer and backyard like sports and stuff like that. I
had like all of them. And one of my the
fondest memories is like I remember playing like backyard football
and I was crushing it. One day I was like
five six years old and we had a computer in
like the front mud room of the house and I'm
on I'm on the computer like throwing a bomb with

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like Drew Bledsoe, and all I hear in the background
is my mom, get off the computer.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I gotta use the fun like l Way playing without
an ACL for most of his career. By the way,
at MCL, I believe really yeah, neligament that is brutal
ran for the first down. Yeah, that's why he would
always look like he was limping when he would when
he would run, or whenever, whenever, whenever he would move,
he didn't have a He played without a ligament for

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most of his career.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I think who was it. Not that I'm a big
fan of this guy, but Deshaun Watson. I think it
was like in college he played with like no a
cl for his final year of college.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Speaking of Orange, because when he played for clums And, yeah,
essentially clums and uniform he's looked like.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
The Clemson uniforms big time. He might have stepped out
a little early, but.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
You still got the first down. Yeah, super elusive John Elway.
Derek Thomas had to sit out this game. The late
great because it was a disciplined reason. So real Hall
of Famer Derek Thomas.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, that's unfortunate for the Chiefs. One of these he's
coming back in. He's only gonna Oh it's not a
full game, he's not a full game suspension. I believe
it's a first quarter or first half suspension. So it
was just disciplinary, disciplinarian, Yes, when not that he was
late for a team meeting of some kind. Not that
teams like are very vocal about like discipline, disciplining their players,

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like they usually.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Keep that stuff in house.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes, but I feel like you don't hear about that
stuff at all anymore, as opposed to like back in
the day, like if you were a deal, yeah, if
you were, I don't know, most coaches would make it
public and be like, listen, you want to be a
wise mouth, a smart mouth, or like do something stupid,
like I'll make it a public and let people know
that you're being an idiot.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
And like no Internet back then, and so the only
way it would be a league to be radio and
or TV and or radio reporters, right, and that was
limited to you didn't have unlimited resources to do that. Again,
the NFL, it was the number two sport in America
up until Major League Baseball would would do its thing.

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But again, you've got Al Michaels, You've got Frank Giffert,
the late great Frank Gifford, and Dan Deeredorf Dan Deredworf
Hall of Famer as well. And this was the Monday
Night Football crew from I want to say, the mid
nineteen eighties all the way until ninety seven. I want
to say the ninety seven season. I'm assuming that's when
our boy. No mad was still there until two thousand.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
And two and no, well, that's what I'm saying. He
when did he step into Monday.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Two two season? So it was Dan Deer, it was
Al Michaels, and I want to say Boomers siasin for
several seasons, Boomer Boomer sioson okay that it was Al Michaels,
Dennis Miller, yes, the comedian Dennis Miller, and Dan Fouts
for two years, and then it was Al Michaels and

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John Madden from two thousand and two all the way
to the end of the two thousand and five season.
But they would later go to NBC for Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
And then Madam would obviously Madden ended up leaving Sunday
Night Football.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Retired at Yeah, he retire all forty three in two
thousand and nine Steelers and Cardinals. Did he did he
call that? Yeah? Oh, that's cool. It was Michael's and
Madden on the call in two thousand and nine for
that Super Bowl game. That was a good game.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
The San Antonios yep, yeah, yep, and the the unforgettable
James Harrison hundred yard interception like the one hundred yard
pick six at halftime. I was I think it was
a fumble. It wasn't a pick six. R Maybe it
was a FuMB.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah. I remember watching it at an establishment, calling my mother,
who's a Pittsburgh Steelers Diar, We've never we've seen one
super Bowl, the Steelers gather. We've seen one roll of
the Steelers have played in together.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Was it the the Big Bend the Bill Cowers last
super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
No? Oh really, no, nope. It was Super Bowl thirty
Dallas and Pittsburgh and they lost that game.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
So I said, you know what, Mom, maybe maybe I
should not be around when the Steelers played the Super
Bowl with you? Okay? So I called her. I got
he gets sacked again, alloys sacked again? He's I go
Neil Smith, who would later join the Denver Broadcos several
seasons later. Anyway, I called he's in because it was

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on a big screen projector we were watching it.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Are you talking about the San Antonio one? Are you
talking about the James Harrison Harrison?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah? Because I didn't. I didn't call her the rest
of the rest of the game because I didn't want to.
I just wanted to make that point because she was
watching it too. So Okay, before that, Mike Murphy on
the it was called the bud Light Sports Light. It
was a radio show that we did. Right, let the
light shine down on you anyway. I actually had the

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Arizona Cardinals, who were nine and seven that year and
had gotten routed by the Patriots in really really bad
weather to go to the Super Bowl, and people thought
I was nuts. Sure enough they did, right. Mike Murphy
on the air said, Jade Doug, if the Arizona Cardinals
win the Super Bowl, I will carry you on my

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back from conquered New Hampshire to Glendale, Arizona. And when
Larry Fitzgerald scored that touchdown, he got a little nervous.
That's funny. I had the Steelers winning it anyway. Yeah,
but no, I had.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I think I had the Steelers that season because if
I remember right, I think the year before that was
my first year playing fantasy football, and I ended up winning.
My first season ever playing fantasy football, I was in
eighth grade. It was two thousand and eight, and I
ended up picking up like if you know about fantasy

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football and how to play, you have to pick players
up on waivers, like you drop players and pick up
players every week to try and make sure you have
the best lineup, Like you could draft someone who gets
no points or touches or whatever, so you want to
pick up someone. Anyways, that whole season, I had a
new roster every team. I would pick up like a
whole new roster. Every week. I would grab just new guys.

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And because I didn't know what I was doing, and
I just kept getting lucky and winning because I was
just noticing all the best free agents in our league,
and one of them happened to be Santonio Holmes, and
he basically won me that that championship.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
The championship. Now, as you can see Joe Montana playing
the short game, the Bronco secondary was way out there
thinking that he was going to air it out. He
didn't have to.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well, it looks like again Montana's you can tell he's
kind of at the end of his career here. It's
not like the gun that he had when he was
with Jair Rice and Bill Walsh and San Francisco. It's
that much more like, like I said, that first pass
he threw wasn't even close, and I'm not saying that
he's he's washed, He's Joe Montana.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
He's getting to that point though, right.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Brady looked like that towards the end of his career too,
Not like I mean, Brady still won a Super Bowl
in his forties, but you can tell after a certain
point they kind of just like lose a little bit
of rhythm.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Maybe Brady.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Maybe Brady's not the best example because he didn't lose
a ton of rhythm.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Aaron Rodgers this year, yeah, or yeah, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I mean even look at like someone like Ben Roethlisberger
on the end of his career. I mean, he stayed
with Pittsburgh, but you could tell, like at the end
of his career he was not as good as he
once was. Even even look at even look at look
at Manning. Manning went to Denver. Speak of Denver, Peyton
Manning went to Denver and was just.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
A game manager. No, he was his last year, That's
what I'm saying. Yeah, his last year. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
But also brock Oswaller was a big part of that
Super Bowl. It was like he not like of the
Super Bowl, but he helped them that season because Peyton
was out a lot that Super Bowl season with he
became that injury, he became a game manager, right, right,
But you could tell that the whole point is like,
just like Montana, he kind of lost a little oomph.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
You well again. Montana got injured in the nineteen ninety
af NFC Championship game. He got hurt the Giants he
lost that he had to leave the game and the
Steve young Ear had to come in. Because it was
a devastating injury that happened to Montana. He missed an
entire season the nineteen ninety one season, he was out.

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What was it?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
What was the injury here?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
It was either a back I think it was a
back injury or back I look it up. And he
plays in nineteen ninety two briefly to come back and
then gets traded at the end of the season to
Kansas City. Montana mad yep.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Bruce Sternham Bruce stomach, cracked ribs and a broken hand.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, the Giants weren't messing around.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
This injury forced him to miss the remainder of the
season and significantly impacted his career with the forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
He was, yeah, he would get traded after the ninety
two season.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
He missed the entire nineteen ninety one season and most
of the ninety two season. Wow, it doesn't even sound
like the injury was that bad. Like a Bruce Sternum.
I've I've had a Bruce Sternham before I've had I
haven't had cracked ribs. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying
that it's nothing that probably sucked, but like I've seen
people take some pretty vicious hits on a football field

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and return like the next season.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
I think his rehab schedule and everything was not.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Also, medical stuff is definitely more advanced than it was.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yep, fourth and inches for the Chiefs. Can they get it?
Remember Montana's never won a game? Is that John Alt?
They shifted? Yeah, they're just wasting gather.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm sorry, Marty. These are two good coaches here. That's
That's one thing that I love about football is like
I mean, in I know football better than all all
other sports. I just know more about football specifically, not
that I don't.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Know other sports. I don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I the thing about football is like I feel like
coaching matters more in football than it does in most
other sports because it's one play at a time.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Like management, clock management, that not that.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Like every manager and coach has a role in a
job to do when they all do it. But like,
think about basketball, it's a sorry, there was a crack
back block on someone there.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
That looked like it hurt.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
But like think about basketball, right, Like there are stoppages
in play, but the coach isn't able to be like,
all right, as soon as we inbound the ball on
this stoppage, we're gonna do X, Y and Z. You know,
they go over scenarios in practice and during timeouts they
can call up plays that they want to get to
and try and run. But in football they I don't know, coaches,

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it's like one play at a time, so it's like
a mind game almost. Also want to mention catch right
there elway through a bullet a rule that does not
exist anymore in the NFL. The push out rule. Very interesting.
I totally forget. I know, I totally forgot.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
This was a thing. Tony Miller right here ready.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
So Miller catches it, doesn't get he doesn't get any
feet in, but because he was pushed out of bounds,
he gets the benefit of the doubt and the catch stands.
I forgot that was a rule and how crazy it is.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
This was the first year of the two point conversion.
Really also, no instant replay really yeah, no red flags,
no challenge. That didn't happen. In nineteen ninety nine. They
tried a system and I think ninety one and ninety
two of it they got really the owner's meetings, they
got rid of it. It was a lot different than
what it is now. But no, nineteen ninety nine was

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the first year that they and they've had replay ever since.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
What's your what's your take on? I mean, obviously instant
replay is necessary, but the out of all sports, football
does it like the slowest and the most.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Do you think that they need to.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Oh what a what a jump by Shannon Sharp, Oh
my gosh, the Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Legas E five that wasn't by Steve Smith?

Speaker 3 (23:54):
The instant replay? Like, do you think that they should
review every touchdown?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Now I see that.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Close of a game of inches and it's a touchdown
or it's not a touchdown. Let's like, that's just one thing.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I'm just I'm just curious, Like, do you think that
the NFL should sort of follow suit of like some
of these other sports like baseball? Baseball doesn't. They do replays,
but not nearly as much, and I feel like.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
They don't get as much challenges as right, That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Like, do you think that they should like limit the
challenges or do you think that the way the replay
system works as good fun?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I like it. Throw the red flag yep, Well not now,
because this is nineteen ninety four. You don't get to
do that.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Let me ask you. Let me ask you another thing.
Do you think that penalties should be reviewable? I know
that that's kind of like a hot topic. Or it
was a couple of years ago with like the past
interference stuff, and then they ended up getting rid of
that rule. What is your take on that? Like, do
you think if, like you're you, you challenge that you
get a first down, right, like you want you challenge

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the spot, Yeah, but then during the challenge you see
that your guy gets face masked. Do you think that
penalties should be reviewable because right now they're not.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Uh, well yes, because again, the referees need to be
held accountable too, because they're the reason why there is
an instant replay system. We will look back at some
of the nineteen ninety eight games that had happened. They
screwed up a coin toss. They screwed up a.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Oh oh oh, I think I know the game you're talking.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, Vetta Steelers Lions. They screwed that up.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
He calls it out and then they're like, it's tails.
And he's like, we said tails, and he's like, no,
it's tails.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
They're getting the ball. Basically. Yeah, it again this old
Mile High Stadium. So this was the two years the
Colorado Rockies spent were at Mile High seam, so they
were able to get seventy thousand for crowds.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Wait, so the Rockies, Wait are they playing at the
The Rockies were playing at Mile High? This is like
mile High that they still playing Mile High?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Okay, a different stadium. This myle Eye Stadium has been gone.
So okay. It was in Vesco Field or whatever whatever
it's called there, right, I just known it, Yes, Authority
Field at Mile whatever. Yeah, in Power Field whatever it is.
Yeses no that that that came out and I want
to say two thousand maybe so.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
But the so the Rockies played here for two years.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
This Corse Field was still being built. I missed that
they could get crowds of seventy thousand.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I missed that baseball football Lookie Cutter, Ye like the Marlins,
the Yeah, the Marlins, the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I don't miss it.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I do a little bit, not not necessarily, but I
don't know. I just I'm I'm a nostalgia I'm a
nineties baby. I love nostalgia. I love the way things were.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Lynn Swan, Look look at Lynn Swan. Look look at
the guys wearing behind.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Cleveland baseball jacket, the former.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah icon on What's what's he doing there? Just foreshadowing?
That is funny. The only baseball you're going to see
on this to guy, we're in a Cleveland jack. Yeah,
that's it. Guy, were in a Cleveland coat.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Look at that thumb taped up to the max. I
used to rock these uh pads when I played JA Dog.
I was so I was center on offense and I
played outside linebacker and d ND on defense like my
whole life, and I wore these pads on my I

(27:33):
had four arm pads.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
They they don't even make them anymore.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
You would like slip your fingers through like you were
doing like a Spock logo, so like you're you're you're
left in your pinky and ring finger would go in
like one hole, and your index finger and your middle
finger would go in another, and then you had like
a thumb hole and it was like a pad on
the top of your like the back of your hand,
and all the way up to your elbow, like it

(27:56):
was like a full four arm pad.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Love the way lay would drop back.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
El Wait, guns it he got Jack, He's back up
some good. He was okay back then, by the way,
I'm sorry the way helmet.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like helmet was okay those days, that's so good.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Meanwhile, back when helmet to helmet was.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Someone said, I sound like Bernie the Purple Dinosaur when
I laughed like that. No, that that's what that sounds like.
Whereas you know, Ted Meanwhile the back Hall of Justice
and Tom Ruined, the punter for the Denver Broncos. So
we have no score right now. Yeah, no one remotely

(28:49):
within field goal ring.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
No one's even coming close. What is this guy's name,
Tom Ruined, Tom Rowan, Tom Ruined, Tom Ruined, ruining my
night hunting the ball every five seconds?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Wait, Wade Phillips, Uh.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
They just take a delay a game.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Rocking a Denver Broadco sweater.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, Crewnick.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, Crewnick, the say right there. Marty Schottenheimer.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Career record at Mile High owen six regular season, yeah, postseason.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
So he's owing seven in total, yep. Can't win the
Big One, can't win in Denver, Yeah, can't win it.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
At a mile High.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, that's also not a good way to keep your job.
Oh yeah, our Indivision rival, Yeah, I'm owing seven against them.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
He got the benefit of the doubt. Schottenheimer was coached
for a while in Kansas City. Where did he coach
before that? Cleveland? Oh he was touching the end zone.
That's a touchback yep. Yeah, so Cleveland. Yeah, he coached
Cleveland where they would lose to Denver in heartbreaking fashion.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
So this dude just cannot beat Denver at all, and then.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Comes to Kansas City, couldn't win the Big One, and
then take some time off and then coaches the San
Diego Chargers.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Look at the Special Teams coach here, look at that sweater.
That thing looked fancy as hell.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
They ran into each other. If they didn't run into
each other, they might have had that.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yep. Ruin didn't ruin anything. Who was the Special Teams
that ruined that. So now at the twenty yard line,
you've got Joe Montana with what twenty two seconds to
go in the first quarter. Cool, Joe, Joe, Cool.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
It's picked off by a d lineman. No way.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
By the way, do you know what do you know
what the shoes again? The cleats and or shoes? Do
you know what Montana was wearing? La gear? What that
was a brand? Who that was a brand in the
eighties and the nineties, La Gear? La Gear? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
That sounds like football's version of and one. Yeah am
I am I that far. I will not protect this house.
We will go chapter eleven. We will go chapter eleven.
We will we will not protect this house. We will
be renting.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Because back then in ninety four, you could wear Nike,
you could wear Reebok. What would you did you play
football at all? Or yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
What position? Do you play? Offensive lineman and then defensive lineman?
I'll never played a game though. So hurt, Oh hurt
my groin muscle, tried to tough it out and everything. Oh.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
I I was a big Nike guy. I am a
big Nike guy. If you didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think I brought Nike baseball cleats to practice and
I'm like, yeah, you can't do that. I didn't I
didn't know. So they gave me. They gave me APEX one.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
He just said, you can't do I'm not doing that.
They go steal a bag somewhere else, buddy.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Long sport, but you need to helmet steal a base. No.
End of the first quarter, scoreless in the Mile High City,
and there's Elsie.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Again, almost a late shot at the end show nothing
would have happened, no call, nope, And now they're getting
though shoving match.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Now if getting the shoving matches in the world, and
there's still.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
No call, there's still no flags being throwned.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
If there's more of it, then it will because it's
just it'll be considered unsportsmanlike.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
It's just funny how different things are nowadays. By the way,
this formation and Denver scores yeap, just like that, Just
like that, yep, Russell literally walks.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
It into the end zone.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I was just about to say, that's if I ever
get the chance to coach football, I do. I do
someday want to coach, whether it's like my future children
or uh just going back and helping coach like my
old high school team. I'd love to coach football. I
love I have like a very offensive mind. I grew
up my dad is like very defensive minded. Yeah. That

(33:00):
formation that they're running, the split back formation, my favorite
offensive formation of all time.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Wade Phillips. The sweater that he's wearing is Starter, by
the way, it is a start yep. So again, Nike
didn't get into this the appair little apparel bidness for
a few more years.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Well, in the nineties, Starter was like pretty everywhere or Wilson, Yeah, yep,
and not all in this. Again, some teams like would
have different apparel at the time. The ninety four Green
Bay Packers were Starter. The best part about the playback
and getting to watch these old games, Wilson is seeing

(33:37):
the haircuts that some of these fans had in the nineties. Yeah,
the high mom tucked in like the high mom tucked
in jeans with the crew nextwater in the mom mulleteh look.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Going on everywhere. Oh, no way, Dickerson, Ron Dickerson is
looking like Eric Dickerson.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Oh he got it to out the thirty five on
Denver side of the field on.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
The special Teams special.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, you got to you gotta compete and play at
a high level on all three aspects of the game, offense,
special teams, and defense.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
To win. You can't.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
You can't do one and win. You got to play
high level at all three. Look at that block, Look
at that lane. That lane you can put a mac
truck through there. I uh, one time, when I was
a little kid at practice, we used to do I'm
sure you've heard of it. It's called the They call
it the Oklahoma Drill and like videos and stuff, but

(34:37):
we used to call it West Point.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
So basically, you'd lay on your back.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
One person has a football and the other person tries
to tackle the guy with a football. But you lay
on your back helmet to helmet, and then you both
he's coming in Derek Thomas getting getting taped up on
his way into the game, yep. But you lay back
to back, helmet to helmet, and you try and stand up,
and the guy with the football tries and runs through
the guy tackling him, and then vice versa, the guy

(35:02):
trying to tackle him tries to tackle him.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
This kid, who is younger than me, I will never forget.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
One day he went up against like the biggest kid
on our team and he was like two years like
the little kid was like two years younger than him.
Got absolutely smoked. And when he stood up, he said
he was like, I think I just got hit by
a mack truck and then fell to the ground and
was like knocked out. It was like, oh my gosh,
he got jacked. Yeah, he was like seven and the

(35:32):
other guy was like ten. And I was like, I
was like eight years old, and I I even knew.
I was like, oh, that is not good. That dude
got smoked. He got flattened like a steamroller. Not a
good run there. Watch now Kansas City's offense tripped up.
What a good one armed tackle? Yeah, one arm tackle

(35:52):
is usually not the go to. You want to two arm.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
It around eleven.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
See if Joe can do anything nice little check down
on a third and eleven. It's gonna be probably like
five six yards. It's probably gonna be about five six
yards short.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Do you go for it or is he coming back
to the side.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Forty five yard field goal attempt back then? It's pretty long.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, it's gonna well, that's what.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm saying, Like a forty five yard field goal back
then is a pretty long field goal.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
They might go for it. It depends on how they are.
They're going for it. It's fourth and four. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I mean well, back then kickers weren't as good as they.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Are, Trust Elliott. I guess a little slant and it's
broken up. Yep. M hmm.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I feel like this Chiefs offense can't do anything. Montana
can't get can't get anything going. They just need a
little momentum.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
But it's like, right there, four of eight thirty five
yards and a pick turn in the second quarter.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, through the through at least one. So Derek Thomas
coming in, he's going to right, He's going to be
coming into the game. This could be a huge difference
for the Chiefs. They need Derek Thomas in there.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Derek Thomas and Neil Smith just created all kinds of
trouble for a reverse for offenses when they were in
their absolute prime.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Derek Thomas is a problem. Lots of rushing. Obviously, back then,
passing game wasn't what it is today.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
The West Coast offense a little, a little.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
What was I going to say, A little fun fact
I learned recently. Do you know Tom Brady had more
passing yards in his forties than he did in his twenties. Yes,
isn't that crazy to think about?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Well, the offense was opened up a lot more too
back then. Yeah, and it's rules had certainly changed from
when Tom Brady started in two thousand as opposed to
where he was in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Just think about the push rule or like that, that
rule we were talking about earlier. Look, who's coming in
is Derek thomasin finally Thomas. But they the push rule
changed the passing game in the way that teams have
to pass, like thinking about like passing to the sidelines
is different because you can't you got to make sure
you get two feet in and stuff like that. So
just made wide receivers work harder and stuff like that.

(38:18):
And they didn't practice that either back then, the push
out or the totap.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, they didn't practice that back then. They didn't. It
was either athlete.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Well, I thought that was picked. I ain't even gonna lie.
I thought that was picked.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
L way.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
And the Denver offense definitely.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Slightly right now. It's definitely got a.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Little more, uh, a little more behind their plays, a
little more uh motivation. It feels like it looks like
when the Chiefs are out there on offense anyways, they're
they just can't get anything going. M hm. This Denver
offense looks like they're ready to play. They're at home,

(39:02):
they've got that home field advantage, that the mile high
that's a big different there. That's a big thing too.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
If you're on blood thinners, you can't play.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, what was the Ryan Clark I believe it was
that like every time the Steelers would go to Denver,
he couldn't play.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
He can't even travel with the team.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Because he had like a he has like a blood
condition he can't or he has like sickle cell or something. Yeah,
so like basically he like can't play at that altitude.
He I think he could go to the game, but
he can't like be physically active.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Which is astonishing because if let's say the Broncos and
the Steelers hook up in the AFC title game or
they have the.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Super b right, Like, what are you gonna do if
you have to play in Denver for the title game?
It's like you're just gonna be out one of your
best corners. Jim Fossil Jim Fossil, New York Football Giants. Yeah,
I know, Jim foss teams going to the playoffs. My
my dad, my dad's a big oh l way fell. Yeah,
that's a sack.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
My dad smith again have to do that baseball swing
that he did. Yep.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I remember when Jim Fossil was in New York before
he was pre Tom Coughlin, right, like that was.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
The yes, the coach right before when he said this
team's making the playoffs. They got to the super Bowl?
Or was that against Baltimore? I was gonna say, was
that what not? One? Was it two thousand? Well the
two thousand season. The game happened in two.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Thousand, right, the one super Bowl is the Patriots super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That was the season, right.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yes, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying, like the
O one season.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Don't ruin it, Tom ruin and it's a good kick. Okay.
See if Montana's got any magic in.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Him, I know he's starting on the Denver off like
the Denver sideline, the other thing, Denver side.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Of the field.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Excuse me getting some new tips in there.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
His rebought cleats.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
They got a little drill for the tips. I had
to screw my tips in by hand.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I didn't have no drill starter coat that he's got on.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, I need one of those. I need to get
me some old school.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Started to go to the eBay sell the other.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Have you seen uh is it Kyle Juice Check's wife. Yes,
she does like custom apparel in the NFL and uh
she'll take like jerseys and piece. I've seen jackets and stuff.
It's pretty cool. I have I Yeah, I need some
stuff like that. I need to get more. I want
more jersey.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
You want old school? I want you know, yes, your name, well,
your last name is not Montana.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
I want more jerseys. I want to basically have a
jersey for every day of the year.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money.
Money is no object. Well it is.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I want people to start calling me Jersey J.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
That's what jersey J.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, okay, like three six mafia jersey JA.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, J is not your yet.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
My friends call me Ja. My friends used to call
me ja back in the day because it's c J.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Did they not graduate on time? But do they not spell?

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, no, it's just they hyphenated it shorten it.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Just call me Jay.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
It's better than Junior not see no no.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Sea Bear and Jamal. Yeah, they're echin closer. So they
are that thirty five yards? Oh yeah, Montana, what are
we doing? He's getting buying? Yeah, he just he just got.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Hurried instantly ran back like ten yards and then then
he was hurt.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Don't take the sack, you take the sack. Lost year. Yeah,
So the Chiefs, right, thirty five years as a franchise
and the seventy five patch.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Why haven't they been giving the ball to Marcus Allen?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I feel like we saw him and he's been in
and out.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I feel like we saw him in the first quarter's
been and he like hasn't really had any big play since.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
No, he's been in and out. That was the package
that they would have run. I know.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
But I'm just saying they that's your that's your guy
that I'd be trying to get the ball to right
now because Montana's passing game ain't working.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
It's not getting the job done.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Speak of the devil. There's Marcus Allen right up the
middle down to the thirty one yard line, as Al
Michaels lets us know, should be in field goal range.
As long as Montana doesn't make any more mistakes here,
they should be able to at least walk.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Away with three. No, they can continue to I mean,
I drive down the field.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I'm saying like they should at least get three here,
they're in field goal range. They should be at least
able to leave with some points on the board, because
you don't want to take another trip onto your opponent's
side of the field and leave with nothing.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Again, this was the last year the Raiders were known
as the Los Angeles Raiders. When would they move to Oakland?
The next year's back Kimball Andrews there, They'd go to
Oakland to ninety five, much to the athletics dismay. Also,
the Phoenix Cardinals would be the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I remember that, Yeah, when I was I believe I
remember hearing about it. Anyways, obviously I would have been
very young.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
This was the last year of the Los Angeles ram
before they would go to Saint Louis. They played at
Angel Stadium.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Really yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, everyone just playing in a
baseballium Anaheim Rams.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's so weird. The Los Angeles Rams of Anaheim.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, the Los Angeles Rams of Anaheim is crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And you had the Seahawks in the AFC playing in
the Kingdome. No way, they were not in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Wait, they played in the Kingdome. Yeah, no way, you
didn't know that. No, I never knew that.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I did not know that. And I didn't know that
they were in the AFC either. But that's not as shocking.
I know, realignment happens and stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
But a future edition of the playback will have those
Raiders taking on those Seahawks who were division rivals back
in nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Oh, that's so weird.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
On Monday Night football, I'll be down the line on
the playback. You're gonna see that. I'm excited. I cookie
Cutter facility.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
We've got a lot of playback to go. We've done
a lot of playback any football. I'm excited about.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
See.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Look the Chiefs are making since I said something, they've
handed the ball off three times in a row and
it's been like thirty yards gained since.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
This is to stretch the field out for Montana.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Touchdown percentage on drives inside the ten yard line Kansas
City has the lowest in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, this Kansas City team sounds awful. They're not awful.
They were one game away from going to the Super
Bowl this season before that, really, Yeah, Montana Magic. What's
the problem here?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
It feels like in week seven they've got one hold
but even though not even not even this game specifically, just.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Like danned touchdown Kansas City Marcus Allen drives it in
let's go Hall of Famer Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
But what I'm saying is, like, it's week seven, why
are they the lowest at scoring?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Still trying again, still trying to get a hold of things.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
This player down one of the linebackers for Denver.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Keith Burns, whole open form to go right in right there?
I think you took a stand bang. And by the way,
if you had one knee down, you were not down?
What not? Back then? What the NFL has changed since
this time? Yeah? What kind of game are they playing?

(46:33):
Some say that's the way the game should be. Watch
if he had one if his knee was down, he'd
still be able to How are you down then?

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Like backled? Like yeah, but what qualifies that? Like two
knees down? Like two points of contact like you whenever
you're stopped? Like that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
John Riggins, he was tied for the great John Riggins. Damn?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Where's John Riggins today? On the all time touchdown list.
I'm curious, let me look it up real quick.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
At press time. At press time, Lynn Elliott and as
I said, when he would miss things or he would
they'd call him Lynn idiot.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Lynn idiot is cruel af that's brutal.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Six fifty one to go in the second quarter. Who
would go to the super Bowl that year? San Diego? Yeah? Really,
I feel like I didn't even know they've ever been
to a super Bowl. They have the only I wish
they didn't because they got routed by the forty nine
ers in Miami. Oh, the Steve Young forty nine ers.
You got a super Bowl twenty nine on ABC. I

(47:53):
do I did watch that.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
At press time. This is just all time touchdowns, not
like rushing touchdowns. John Riggins is tied for fourteen, yeah
with Antonio Gates, Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Who just got inducted into the Hall of Fame this
past summer.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
They have one hundred and sixteen, right behind Larry Fitzgeral.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
There's your big three right there. Fitzgerald will make the
Hall of Fame next year. Oh yeah, he is a
first ballot. El Michaels, Frank Gifford, and Dan Deardorf.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Look at these headsets. Oh yeah, a throwback with the
technology here. This was hot stuff back in nineteen ninety four.
This is a good That was a good look though.
I like that, like Al's not like like Al and
Frank Gifford are looking forward and Dan's kind of looking
at us, because it almost was like we're just peering
into what they're doing, Like they don't even notice that

(48:42):
we're looking. They're just they're like like Al was still
locked into like the game kind of, which is cool
because that's what That's one thing that I love about broadcasting,
sportscasting in general is just like, one thing that got
me to the field is Lint Swan by the way

(49:04):
back on the sidelines, Lint Swan getting some good mic
time here he was the sideline he's doing He's showing
the difference in these tips on the cleats. Yes, very cool,
this cool little sideline report. I'm all for it, which
I know nothing is nothing fascinating as far as I'm concerned.

(49:27):
The hold on l way on loads Yep, nice catch.
I've already lost my train of thought. I just got distracted.
Football's on. I can't help it. Great I quarterback dropped back,

(49:50):
throw ball ball caught football.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
That's my caveman brain.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Right now. The Broncos look like they're outmatching the Chiefs here,
but of course, like you said, it's not over until
it's over.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
You've got two king come back You've got two comeback
kings in John Elway and Joe Montana.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
So I'm just saying, no, I know, I yet when
those guys were Montana or Elway is like the the
greatest two minute drive ever?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Is that what they call it or whatever?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
He had like the greatest two minute drill of all
time where he like drove down. It was like one
of the first two minute drills.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
The drive.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, the drive, that's what that's what they call it.
Thank you, let's not I'm just saying, let's ignore that
for now.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Well, like he that shows that he's good at coming back.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
We have people in Cleveland that are listening to this,
let's not do that. Well, they get this in Cleveland,
they'll get it. I don't know, well, it'll be on
I don't they'll get it. That's old joke.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
By the way, I have heard you used that one before.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
I'm pretty sure Mike Douglas, I guess the Mike Douglas
Show on ABC one night, and he would take audience
questions and the guy who goes, yeah, well they get
this in Cleveland, and then Mike Douglas, Yeah, it'll be on.
I don't know if they'll get it. So yeah, that's
so good. Well they get this in Cleveland. No, it's

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blacked out. Yes, they'll get it in Cleveland, just like
they'll get it in Santa Clara. Come on, really, third
and one for Denver and he gets it. Yep.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
That split back offensive line like rushing formation, yep, so solid,
especially they have a fullback here. The most important piece
to the offense in the nineties, not today, but even
before the nineties, the fall back one of the like

(51:59):
most important pieces of offensive history.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yeah, John, you're in good hands with all Stott, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I miss All Star, I miss Deryl Moose, Johnston, Lorenzo O'Neill.
Lorenzo O'Neil. Another one the Patriots used to have this guy,
Patrick pass Pass.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yep. He was one of my favorite.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Podcast Absolute dime. Yeah over an extending defender. John Elway.
He had a canon, didn't he looking good?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
He had a canon? Now? How old is Elway? Here?
He is? I want to say, he's like thirty three,
thirty two, thirty three and Montana, uh close to forty.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
You can tell that's what I'm saying, Like you can
tell Elwa look at this zip little pump, fake little yeah, yeap,
look at that right over the fender, perfect spiral. Couldn't
have he couldn't have handed it to him in a
better spot.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Do you know who he played? Was gonna play baseball for? No?

Speaker 3 (52:58):
The Yankees? Oh, I thank god that never happened, or
the Royals?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Or is that Dan Marino? Okay, you know the situation
with Elway right, he was drafted by the Baltimore Colts. Yes,
in nineteen eighty three. He was the original Eli Manning.
He was gonna say, yeah his day, it was his
dad that drove it. Yeah, I'm not playing for the
Baltimore Colts. He gets traded to the Denver Broncos because
he wants to play baseball. He's gonna he'd rather play baseball.

(53:26):
I think he was. I think he was drafted by
the Yankees. Really yeah, because I believe Dan Marino was
drafted by the Kansas City Royals. Boy, that would have
been something. George Brett and Dan Marino.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa this return.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Man George Brett and Dan Marino.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
What position did or? Let me look up? I want
to see what position Dan Reno played in baseball.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I think he was an outfielder. He wasn't. I don't
think he was a pitcher. The greatest Denver Bronco of
all time. You're looking at him. It's John Elway. Oh yeah,
John Well.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Is he better than Manning as a Bronco?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yes, he played more years? Is he better than Terrell Davis? Davis?
That injury did it? Did it in for him? Is
he better than Shannon Sharp? Yes? Because who was the
guy that was thrown to Shannon Sharp? True? Who went
through all the.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
But without Shannon Sharp? As John Elway as good as
he is.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yes, because he had other guys. Okay, because again he
got to Super Bowls before Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Okay, yeah. Dan Marino played pitcher and shortstop for the
Kansas City while he was well. He was also he
was drafted by the Kansas.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
City, whereas Elway.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Oh actually yeah, he was drafted as a potential third
basement and an outfielder.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
It says, I don't know why, it says Pitts. He
wasn't going to be outfield. Who wasn't gonna be third
base because that was George Brett right so who later
moved to first and then d.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
H imagine Dan Marino with a cannon from outfield.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
He he could throw the football. There's a flag anyway.
I think that's on Denver John or John Joe Montana.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Joe Montana cannot hit a pass.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Nice it was on Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, man, this Chiefs team is absolutely bat in a
thousand right now.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
The opposite of bet in a thousand? What's the opposite
of that? In a thousand?

Speaker 3 (55:25):
They could throw a rock at the ground and miss
right now.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Couldn't fall was it, couldn't couldn't find sand if they
fell off a camel, that's good. Couldn't find water if
they fell off a boat, couldn't at the broadside of
a barn.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Montana, he needs to get it going. I don't know
what he's doing. Almost just got shrucked over by his
own guy in the huddle.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I'm saying it. It looks like they're ont of sink
right now. Yeah, something's going on here and Schottenheimer needs
needs to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
That halftime locker room discussion is going to be probably
an intense one and one that needs to get some.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
H and again, how will tell them it hit not
not illegal? He didn't.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I mean, I don't even know if that would have
been called today because it's like you got to like
protect yourself a little like it was. It was almost
like a bang bang play. But it's like, dude, like
catch the ball or get down like one of the
two put it right in his hands. He said, nah,
I don't want that. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Kansas City?

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Come on? You know something you won't hear me say
too often? Well not today? Yeah, this is back then
if you third down, third and nine, they need to
do something here because they're back. Who is your favorite
player at this time when you were a kid, Not

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a kid, but like when you.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Were younger, think green Bay Packers? What are you like
a five guy?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I you know, one of the first jerseys I ever
owned was a Green Bay Packers jersey. Can you guess who?
It wasn't Brett Fire, but it was from that farv Era.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Was it Reggie White? No, it wasn't. It was it
was it a hold on? Was it Antonio Freeman? It
was Antonio Freeman. Good, guess well, we're gonna do the
Improbable Bobble from two thousand.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
The Improbable Bobble.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
What a name.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I know what you're talking about, but i'd never heard
what I had never al Michael, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's one of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Uh That like watching that replay over and over again
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I have a story about that game, which I will
tell you when we do that. That road we crossed.
Let me pull a Duran Durant. I'll cross that bridge
when I find it. The reflex right there, fleck flex
flat flat flex, first down. So now they're in motion,
but the two minute warning is approaching.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Wide open.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, nobody there. Where's the defense? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I us. I grew up playing I'm a big video
game guy, and I grew up playing NFL Street and
there was like this you would if you had like
a big play on offense, it would do this cut
scene sometimes where it cut to your guy being like,
where's the defense? I can't see no? D Like after
you make a big play. Yeah, i'd hit that, trash talk.
I'd hit that in football, like me and me and

(58:22):
my boys, we'd hit like a big play on offense
in high school and where's the defense?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I can't see no d now if by the way,
if you do, if you Simon Fletcher never made a
Pro Bowl. By the way, was a really good player,
but he never was all Pro. Is he related to London?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
I don't think so. You'll have to find out. You
were saying, Uh, now, would this just be football jersey
every day? Or it wouldn't matter? Are you talking about
me like Jersey J? If I became Jersey J my
alternate ideaity catch it would be not any any sport
doesn't have to be any sports.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
How many do you have on the top of your head.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I'm getting rid of one. I have one that's like
too small. I just went through recently.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I got uh, I have.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
A Yee Julienne or no, how do you say the
Chinese basketball player. It's uh, it's like Yee Julienne or
something like that, or Julian Yee.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
When I was in high school, Yeah, I folded like
a launch. That would have been a penalty penalty.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Now, yes, yes, I'm getting rid of the the Yee
jersey because it doesn't fit me anymore. But I got
I got it for like three dollars. We got like
a random shipment when I worked at Nike in high
school of these Nike China basketball jerseys, and with my discount,
it was like literally like three dollars for this random

(59:51):
Chinese basketball player, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Screw it, I'll grab it. How many you have do
you think.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Getting rid of that one? If I'm not including that,
I have more than ten, I probably have like closer
to fifteen, maybe maybe twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
So Simon Fletcher London Fletcher, is there a connection? One
and again one of the rare starting lineup action figures
to get. It's in the package and it's worth a
lot of money. Apparently I was able to snag one
and I open it up, So that's right. I play
with my toys. Nope, throze it out of there buys

(01:00:28):
time though.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
So yeah, well that's the one thing I will say
is he's doing a good job at game management. Yeah,
not getting rid of the ball correct, Like, he's not
th fumbling. It did get picked off, but that was
also on the freaking pickoff. Yeah, it was tipped on
the line. I don't see anything. I don't think they
are I'm looking one more time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Dan Dierdorf. Who became a Hall of Famer for what team?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
No, Simon Fletcher and London Fletcher are not second and goal.
Who did Dan Deardorff play for?

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
He played for the Cardinals. Not a lot of As
you know, the Cardinals has a franchise in the NFL.
They're not known for winning, and they're not known for
having a ton of players being Hall of Famers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Right, So I don't even I'm trying to think of
some Kurt Warner. Yeah, but when you think of Kurt Warner,
do you think of the Cardinals as like if among
on his gun to Super Bowl on his bust, what
team would it be?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Like? What team?

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
They don't they don't do that. But I know what
you mean, and like, yeah, it would be the Ram
of course. But no, like, yeah, technically he's a Hall
of Fame Cardinal. It's just not like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Larry Fitzgerald is going to be the greatest. He will
be a time, right, Dan Dedworf is great, don't get
me wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
But I'm trying to think of other ones, though I can't.
It's hard to think of some. There's not a lot
of Cardinals players that were.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Like Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, didwell, Armre Cherry McGuire. I know, I'm I'm an idiot.
I realized that after I said it. I was like, Rod,
did well, why do I know that name? Show me
the money, Show me the money I saw, as you know,

(01:02:14):
I'm a big Dan Patrick fan. Dan, I know Dan,
and the Dan nets.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Not much longer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
And the they do the clips in between commercials, like
the old clips from the show, and one that pops
up all the time is Dan talking to Michael Irvin.
Finally Montana puts one in the end zon look like
the first completed pass he through.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
That's the way. That's not Tony Gonzalez, but it's JJ Burden.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah, they had Michael Irvin on and they talked to
Michael Irvin because he's in Jerry maguire, Like highlights of
Michael Irvin are in the movie, but they don't like
you can't see him or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Right here, look at how it opened. Burden was wide open. Wait,
he leaps and gets it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Didn't even didn't even have to leap really, but it's whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Do a lipa, Yeah, he's levitating the Dan levitat show. Yeah,
Tony Gonzalez has that number now he did. Yeah, it's
later on. No one has it anymore. I don't think.
I don't know. I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure
it's retired. I wish he got the ring. He can't. Yeah,
ring if he had stayed a few more years. Well,

(01:03:27):
I remember he ended up going to Atlanta and will
that work out?

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Didn't He wasn't on the super Bowl team, right, like
they made the playoffs when he went to Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Correct, that was the Herm Edwards Dick vermil years of
Kansas City, which were a dollar short. Yeah, dollar short?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
So wait, was he there when Alex Smith was the quarterback? No,
he left before that, right, he was in Atlanta when
Alex Smith was the quarterback. I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I'm pretty sure, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Because I think the I remember when Alex Smith was
in Santa Francisco. No, when Alex Smith was in the city. Yeah,
they had like Miles Austin on their team. Yes, I
love that. That's right there, touchdown Joe Montown good extension.
They're talking about his celebration here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah he has busted ribs so here yeah again yeah still.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Yeah fourteen all with a minute twelve to go? Can
we get this dude? An iron flak jacket, Like, how
does he have rib injuries? Still? He was out for
two years pretty much with Willies. He before the scene
he had gotten you know. That's what I'm saying though,
Like he was out ninety one with rib injuries all yeah,
ninety two most of it h rib injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
He got hurt in ninety three as well with what
rib injuries? Ribbon knee injury?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah, what do we do? We get this dude an
iron coat?

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
What are we doing? He didn't play every Yeah, I
remember he didn't play every game for uh, for for
Kansas City in ninety three or ninety four.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
So that's crazy too because that's like it's sixteen game
season two, right, it's a shorter season.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, no Thursday night games. No Thursday night games.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
And back in the nineties, like nowadays, players get hurt
all the time, and like teams are more cautious about
their players and their future. That's why players are more
likely to sit out or come out. Whatever. Monday Night
football was, this was it, This was this was Marquee,
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
No Internet, no, yeah, they'd get twenty million viewers a week.
Yeah like that. Now why did he even catch that? Oh? Wait,
did he catch Did he catch it? Did catch? I
was gonna say, did they say it got knocked out?

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Couldn't really tell the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
What is it tied?

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah? Fourteen? All fourteen minutes ago before the half.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
L wait, trying to make a make a drive here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Neil Smith doing a jpp impersonation. Yeah, except j Neil
wasn't playing with fireworks. Yeah, so yeah, about a minute
seven ago. So yeah, but near from their own twenty yep.
No good defense, yeah, good defense on the line. Neil
Smith is everywhere tonight. He hit that with his bad thumb.

(01:06:17):
He's everywhere in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
This nose tape is crazy too. He's got like a
red and white nose tape going on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
You know who did that, right the You know the
the nasal strips? You know who really made those popular?
Right who? Jerry Rice? Really?

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
I didn't know Jerry even wore nasal strips when I
think of him being from New England. Even though I'm
an Eagles fan, I grew up watching the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
I think of what was was it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Antoine Smith, the running back? He was like the guy
I would associate like nasal strips.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
With a lot flag. Yeah, free play encroachment, Give me
the ball. You know who's running after Lway? Right? Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Derek? No, Neil is ever, Neil is everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Well, it looked like it was from the other side
of the line. Neil's been on the bottom half. I thought,
like the closer sideline.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
To us offense again, Yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
They called the offense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Well, another rule that we haven't discussed yet that is
not the same anymore is back in the day on defense,
not that it happened here, but like on defense, you
could try and make the offense jump off sides.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Like you could.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
You could literally sit there and like try and make
them flinch, and if they moved, it would be a
penalty on the offense. That doesn't that rule isn't the
same anymore. If you're on defense and you try and
get the offense to jump off sides, it'll be encroachment
or like defensive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
False start third and fifteen and look at this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yeah Lway goes down and Kansas City Yes, yeah, Derek Thomason,
and I'm pretty sure was Smith in there too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah. Yeah, Look, they are swarming this offensive for the
Denver Broadcoast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
The Dynamic Duo and as I was saying, as jadaug
eluded it's fourteen fourteen Chiefs are about to call a
time out, I'm pretty sure, and drive right back down
the field with a chance to go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Score right there half sack.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Derek Thomas and Smith driving home.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Not, guys, I want to It's weird the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
The Chiefs got a lot better on defense as soon
as Derrek Thomas won in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I don't know. I wonder why that is. Yeah, I
don't know why that happened. Poor Wade Phillips. You know
whose dad was, right? No, bumb bum Phillips. Bumb Phillips.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Never heard of him?

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Houston Oilers, Oh okay, I think he wore a cowboy
hat on the sideline. I feel like I have heard
of him. Actually nobody, you know, do you think what
do you think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
If the league expands they'll bring back the Oilers?

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Have two teams in Houston? Why would they do that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
They have two teams in New York and two teams
in in LA.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
They wanted to two teams in Chicago. To them, like, yeah,
that's not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Where would you if you expanded the league, where would
you put them?

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Like? Two new teams? Two new teams in the NFL. Wow,
san Antonio, Okay, yep, I think San Antonio would be
a good spot, San Antonio, and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
And they could just play at the Alamo Dome exactly. Well,
that's what's built for. Yeah, the like the UTSA road Runners,
I think they are.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
They played Alamo and Royal Rumbles at the at the
Alamo Dome.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
That place holds like I think it's like sixty seventy people.
It's a big stadium are for a time? No, it's
a stadium for a time. The San Antonio Spurs played
there during the like the nineties. Oh really during the
during the uh what's his face? Not Tim Duncan, but
Thedavid Robins, David rob David Robinson. Yes, during the during

(01:10:04):
those days. Yes, that was still pop, right was he
was that pre pop? Pre pop pop pop? And also
the second place I would have to play, Kansas City
already has the ball and on the Denver thirty five,
I think they got out of bounds too. Portland, Oregon,

(01:10:24):
see Oregon's getting all these I don't know, there's talks
of baseball getting a team in Oregon and and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
I've never been out there. I've heard it's pretty nice.
I've got a buddy that lives out there. But is
it the right place for like a football yes city
or football town? What about like what about like somewhere
like Oklahoma City? No, no, you don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I think, by the way, I think that's actually the
Dallas Cowboys have territorial rights. I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
What to the like TV rights in Oklahoma and Arkansas?

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
So I don't think you can really.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Okay, so what if you what about a team in
like Utah the Mammoth just got a hockey team there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
No, no NFL now right now?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Right now? Well what what state? What state is Nike
headquartered in? It's in Oregon, I understand. I just how
many how many machinations of the Oregon Ducks do you
see with uniforms? Did you actually every single week is
a different uniform they they're doing like a tight I uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I heard this year.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Third and one. By the way, is it enough? Yep,
he's got it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
They got a time out though, they got to call
a timeout they I don't think they have any They.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Got to run to the line. They got to spike
the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Not I yeah, they are spiking it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Ye see, nowadays a lot of teams won't spike it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
They'll try and run two or three plays like they'll
have like a couple of places lines, hurry up offense. Yeah,
how did that work for Chicago last year? The Bears
and the Commanders? The was it? It wasn't Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Was it? Yes? Was it Thanksgiving? Detroit? Yeah? And was
that was that Matt Naggi's last game? No?

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Yeah, they went from Matt Naggy to Matty Eberflus, so
they held a bunch of you know, but that was Matt.
But that was Matt Eberflus's last game. I believe for
the stuck he doesn't make that, he didn't make the catch,
it still stops the clock.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Montana knows the system on how to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Yeah, well the thing is too like he's not. You
don't have to get too aggressive here. You're in field
goal range. It's a tie game. You can go into
halftime with the lead or as long as you don't
give away.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
The ball or it just stays tied.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Yeah. But what I'm saying is like if Montana doesn't
like throw a pick here or create a turnover, if
he just plays it, conservatively, they have the field goal
in their back pocket right now. It's like, don't take
a sack. You gotta get up and spike it. Now
you get to the line, what are we doing? Every

(01:13:13):
one of the line said the E word. They're not
spiking it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
It's over that. What are we doing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
That? He'd missed it anyways, it didn't count, didn't get
the snap off. These guys on the field running off
still yeah, nice, Literally, time expired, all tied up in
the Mile High City siege.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
You get two legends right now and Joe Montana taking
on John Elway, and it's kind of evenly matched in
the sense that's the score. However, I think Lway statistically
right now playing a little bit better than Montana, although
Montana is starting to really kind of get a groove
on the offensive line. Yes, the well that was the
problem is it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
It looked like the Kansas City offense until the end
of the first half couldn't really get anything going. Yeah,
so I'd say, right now, statistically it's probably Elway's game.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
But you got cool Joe on the other side, Yes,
you do, Number nineteen not number sixteen. I know. It's weird.
The reason why because lond Dawson's number sixteen was retired
to Kansas City, although the late great lond Dawson at
the time he offered Montana to take number sixteen, but
Montana refused. That's that was a cool highlight. Not to
interrupt you real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
They showed a replay of the field goal right before
the half. Yeah, and Montana was going to take a
snap from the field goal kickers, like from the snapper.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, not the center, but the long snapper. That was funny.
Like the one of the linemen had to shove Joe
off the field.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
He was like, get off.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah, Monday night football back when it would air at
nine Eastern and they didn't have a lot of competition
back then. And as you can see.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
His ribs, Yeah, man is his ribs are there? Are
his ribs made of glass?

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Different times back then. In terms of sports medicine, I
just feel it. Yeah, he's not recovering at all. He
doesn't need to recover. He just needs to make sure
he makes the throws and gets them out to his.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Yeah, as long as I could throw the ball, it's fine.
I could be broken in half.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
And yeah, how's you're going to do a good old Jr.
He's broken in half. Oh my gosh, he's broken and
he's broken. That man has a family.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Nice catch here on the sidelines. The Denver defense, I
don't know what's happening. It seems like they're fading away. Yeah,
like the energy they had in the first half was
a lot better. Steve Atwater leading the defense. The secondary
needs to needs to make something happen here. And Mark,

(01:15:58):
I mean, what a what a layer. It's he's almost
like the Is it weird for me to try and
compare him to Steve Young, Like, think about it, Like
Marcus Allen was like the predecessor to Steve Young, I know,
but what I'm saying is, like Mark Young, Marcus Allen
was the predecessor to like bo Jackson, Like he was

(01:16:21):
like his Protec teammates at one time, you know what
I mean. Like he was he was like the Steve
Young to Bo Jackson, how Steve Young was to Joe
Montana and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Well Bo Jackson, of course it didn't know, it didn't
It didn't turn out so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Well for him, No, but he was an incredible player,
maybe not to the same extent of Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
But I kind of got blasted again by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Carl Mecklenberg, Mecklenburg. You see a name like that, that's
like such an eighties nineties name for football player, Mecklenburg.
And then they cut to him and you know his
you know his helmet. He's going to have the most
vicious face mask right there, and all the weight down
on the quarterback after You want to talk about something
that wouldn't fly today, correct, that would not putting your

(01:17:05):
weight on you talk about you can't, you can't even
you can barely touch the quarterback, let alone putting all
your weight down on him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
And that's the first down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Marcus Allen or an.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
He is going to be short.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
They're gonna go for it. Yes, yeah, maybe not as
the dirty laundry hits the field. The white cap here,
this dude's been all over the place. He's who is
he yelling at earlier? I forget, but this dude is

(01:17:50):
coming back. This dude's got some good mic work the
ref He's getting a lot of action.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
I'm never giving up. I am never giving the referee
the mic work. Ever, that is an insult to oh broadcasters,
Yeah and your favorite by the.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Way, Oh no, I wasn't saying he's gonna win it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
He's gonna give it to him. I'm telling he's gonna
insult al Michaels. Never.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, you mean the al Michaels Michael Ward, which won't
go to al Michaels. That's what we're naming it after.
It's the al Michaels Michael Ward.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Third and fourteen. Can they get out of this? Yes?
They can? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Yeah, Marcus Allen is that guy that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Could have been a disaster because you're at third and fourteen,
and if they don't, you've got Montana with bad ribs.
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Well, that's why the checkdown they worked out, you know,
checkdown was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Marcus Allen's gonna have to be the hero here. I
feel like Joe is kind of this is this has
definitely washed Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Like I just feel like they washed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Wouldn't say like he knows how to play football, but
physically I don't know if he can hang anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
You know what? That makes me?

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
That reminds me of what two of our our two
team games playing there's a very famous play that was
a long conversion. I don't know if you know of
the play. It was an it's an Eagles legendary play
before we won any Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
They you mean, yes, before I talk, you're talking in
the early two thousands, correct, Yeah, I do know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
The fourth and twenty six. Yes, Yeah, that was one
of my favorite plays of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
That was the Donovan McNabb Philadelphia Eagle.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
My my favorite wide receiver growing up. Fred X, the
People's Champ, Freddie Mitch, fred X, that was he was
one of my favorites. Fred X the People's Chance. He
used to before Aaron Rodgers did the discount double check.
Fred X used to hit the championship belt. I remember,
what an awful drop there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Joe's face, He's just like, can you come? Yeah. I
have Carl Mecklenberg's starting lineup as well. So the uniforms.
So when I have Simon Fletcher and Carl Mecklenberg and
those these home uniforms for the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
If I want to play with my toys, the collectibles,
the collectibles, that's right. I'm a big fan of the collectibles.
I I used to have like a lot of the
Action figures, but mine were a lot of hockey. I
had like Yarmir, Yager and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Now, did you have starting lineup or did you have McFarlane.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I think I had McFarlane. I don't know if I
had starting starting lineup.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Because yeah, they well, if they had, they didn't have
some of the kid as a as a figure for
starting lineup because they were done after starting lineup with
the for hockey was done after two thousand. So yeah,
they came back briefly for NBA in twenty twenty two,
I want to say twenty twenty three, but it didn't
sell well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
And what it did fold instantly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Yeah, they've discontinued. So because they lost the NFL, they
were supposed to get NFL in Major League Baseball and
the rest, and they couldn't get the licensing in time,
so it became NBA. What a past. Maybe I'm wrong,
you are wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Joe don't look washed right there first down as they
would say, that was dirty. Yeah, nasty throw by Joe.
That's why he don't look washed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
He doesn't. Don't discount Joe Montana now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
I I can't. I mean, I it sucks. I didn't
get to grow up really watching Joe. I mean I
started watching football his first year at Kansas City in
nineteen ninety three, so I didn't really know too much.
I'm trying to still learn the history of the game
at this point at the age of ten, and again
no internet, so you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Had to you had to. It was all lower and
lean on people periodically touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Way the offensive lineman Joe Valario the edge of the eligible.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Jackal? Is that Joe to Joe? Yeah, that was uh yeah,
Joe Valio. I believe it was. Wow, he is an
eligibel receiver in that respect.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
That's some Dan Campbell type play right there. I wasn't
expecting that in this one. I wasn't expecting to see.
I was not expecting that one two receptions, two touchdowns.
I heard a statistic Mike vrabel has I think it's

(01:22:25):
like twelve catches in his career for like twelve touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Yeah, because he would have a lot of those in the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
In the goal line the goal line, Yeah, but it
wasn't like there's some that are in I think he's
like five for five in the Super Bowl or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
In the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
No, he has like a couple of touchdowns in the
Super Bowl when he played for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
I don't know if it's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Five though, it might be less than that five, it
might be like three for three or something.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
But he uh, he.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Has like a couple of Super Bowl touchdowns like he.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Does have that, I know he has. He did it
for the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
And for the for the Patriots, which is it's just
funny because I heard someone comparing him to Travis Hunter
or something like they're.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Like two way player. Iron man, Yeah, ironman football.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Mike Rabel knows all about being a two way play.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Concrete Charley, Yeah, Chuck bed Nerrick and now Denver's got
to play from behind.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Yes, Denver is going to have to get this offense
going if obviously the script is flipped again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Montana has never won at Mile High Stadium. He's zero
and three coming into this game on Monday Night football
back in nineteen ninety four. And what isn't Dick for Meal?

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Like over nine? Did we say, what was the graphic
early for Meal or not? Dick Marney Schoenheimer. I don't
know why is that Dick for Meal?

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Because he used to coach the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Oh, that's right, he did. He retired only to unretire Schottenheimer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Yeah, Marty Schottenheimer's never won at Mile High stadium. Was
it was it over nine? It was yeah, because it
was playoffs and regular season. Yeah, when he was with
Cleveland and Kansas City because they played each other a
lot being rivals. Yes, and they still do. They could.
They could meet up to three times a year. Still,
I wish they wouldn't. I don't like them meeting twice.

(01:24:11):
I like the meeting once. Like college football, I think
that's going to be down the line.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
By the way, Well, you think that they're going to
switch it up in no more division.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Correct, there's gonna meet one time a year because there's
gonna be more games in the NFL. Well, I don't
think that'll happen. But I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
When they add more teams maybe, like when they add
enough teams, like if they expand, Like obviously, I know
your your take on expansion and stuff is you don't
want it to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Get watered down. And I two teams right now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
I know I'm but I'm thinking like, say, and this
is this is a stretch and a long ways down
the road. But say they had like forty teams, right
instead of thirty two.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
I don't know if that's gonna happen in our lifetimes,
but imagine they have forty teams.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Right then I could see them playing once a season
against each other because there'd be enough opponents that you
wouldn't play the same schedule every season. Like and I
get what you're saying too, Like right now, if they
did it once per season, say they had twenty games,
there's thirty two teams, Like, you're not gonna play every team.
But if there's twenty games a season and you only

(01:25:15):
play one team once, you're gonna play twenty of those
thirty two teams. So that means next season you're gonna
play some of the teams again, Like you'll play some
of the same teams over again. There's gonna be which
will be division rivals and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
But the way I see it is this, the NFL
wants the Major League Baseball model. If they want every
team playing every team, if they're gonna find a way
to make it possible one time each they'll do it.
They'll do it. See.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
But I think they can do that just by adding
more games.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
That's what I mean is that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
But I don't think that they'll take away division games,
like I think they'll still have two division games, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
The players will not agree to that if they say
that we want more games, but only if we're you
know again the travel as well. No, I know, I know,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
That's why I mean, speaking of travel, that's why they
don't have a your team.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Not yet. Yeah. I don't think a European team is
going to happen either, because I don't think it would work.
It doesn't work because you have to reroute your entire face,
you have to read your entire family, You have to
some route and move there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
And some players wouldn't be able to go correct, imagine.
And this is not a dig at the NFL. Thank
you to the NFL, I believe for providing this video.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Is this the NFL's YouTube No, I.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Think this one is NFL. Hold on one second old,
please talk amongst yourselves. It is NFL Okay special.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Thanks to the NFL YouTube channel. So this is not
a dig at the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
But there are there's a history of some players having
some poor choice moves that regard legal action, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Well, it is their fault, the concussions at it's getting to.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Them if you have legal actions against you, Like yeah,
someone I don't know, Rashid Rice maybe like is he
allowed to leave the country, Like technically he's on probation
and he has to serve still, I think like some
jail time and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Would there be a visa of some kind?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Is there? Yeah, Like that's in and that's not a
dig at him or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
The situation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Oh, Kansas City fumbles the ball, Denver had punted the
ball away, Kansas City got it back and it looks
like Denver had it. But they're going to say Kansas
City was down.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Sorry, go ahead, the uh.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
But like if in Rice's situation, would he be allowed
to go overseas if they had to play a team
in London or whatever or.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
This thing, they keep him here and he doesn't get
to go to London for.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
That week, right, I mean, and that could happen too.
But it's just like, imagine if there's ten players on
your team that all have a background. The Raiders, I
mean of Cleveland's got some negative history too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
I mean, every team has some dirty laundry. It's what
teams though, What team is known for having like the most,
It's the Raiders. It's the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
It is it's the I mean nowadays too because it's
in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Yeah, it's like, get that too.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Yeah, that doesn't really help. It's crazy they're showing the
replay by the way, real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
He was not down. That ball came out, he was not.
Guess what, no instant replay back in nineteen ninety four,
So play on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
That's that's crazy that the announcers are just like, well,
too bad.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Yeah, play on second down, play on playoffs? Oh bloody
oh blah d life goes on? Good defense? Here is
that going to be a flag? Oh it looks like it. Yep.
Ronnie Bradford the bad boy on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
The Uh yeah, I do like the Crush Jerseys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
I take back what I said earlier. Well, they haven't
effect brought them back.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Yeah, well I think that's why I like them. I
think I like them on today's team. Okay, I mean
like I like these the more refined orange now than
it was then, and the way the way the pads
sit nowadays and stuff too like back then, Like look
at this dude. Look at this dude's pads. This dude's
got a neck roll going up to the top of
his head. He could wear it like a hat.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Yeah, okay, here's the oh Alexander holding him. Yeah he
was no, he was. He grabbed him by his right arm. So, yeah,
you can't be doing that as a linebacker. It's even
back then in nineteen ninety four, you couldn't do that. Yeah,
as a linebacker.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
I played, so I played outside linebacker and football, and
I played center.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I played a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Of like guard too, like I could pull, but it's
mostly the center my whole life. And then outside linebacker. Yeah,
it's hard when you're short and slow and not as
fast as these wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
It's hard to keep up. And now it's going to
be on offense now coming.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Back, Kansas City just wants to shoot themselves in the foot.
Apparently the momentum is on their side right now though. Yeah,
but the Chiefs that right now have the momentum going.
That's a drive killer holding penalty, especially like my dad
coached me when I was younger, and that was the

(01:30:08):
number one thing he would drill into my head was like,
you get a penalty, you're coming out of the game.
I'm not putting up with it. It's disciplined, yeah, Like
it's you're gonna kill the momentum when you do something
like that. Denver's giving you a free play. With the
past interference. Obviously they still got pretty good like yardage
out of it, like moving up yep, But that holding
penalty moves in back ten yards. So it's like now

(01:30:31):
it's even though you got a free first down, now
it's first and twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Yes, and by the way, they have a first down.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Now, another penalty coming in three plays in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Okay, what's the penalty here? No score? Bug?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
By the way, I know that is bothering me. I
can't tell what quarter in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
And you're as you where there wasn't a score, I know,
So you're used to that. There was a time where
you just saw what was on TV and hopefully it
would pop up. NBC was very guilty of that, especially
during the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Yeah, they were just uh, we did one of the
playbacks when we did.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
The nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals Game six.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
So no penalty, no foul, nop Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
The chiefs roll on, yes on players.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
But yeah, I think a European I humored the idea
of the European division. Whoa did he?

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
No? He didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Wow, It's like I humor the idea of a European division.
But it seems unfeasible. Now do you think that they'll
expand to like Mexico and Canada in.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Terms of NFL teams, Yeah, Canada for sure. Actually no, wait,
hold on, no, not now, no, No, they'll go to Canada,
but they won't have a team there. The Bills were
going to move to Toronto. I feel like that would work.
They were going to be well, the Bills were having
issues because this is the last year of their current stadium, right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Yeah, well they just building the new one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
I know, high Mark feet right. Yeah. They were having
problems with it because it was falling apart in Orchard
Park and Marcus Allen halfway yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Yeah, making some moves, losing, shaking some people. It's a flag,
another penalty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
So they were going to be the Toronto Bills because
they had played games there and it's coming back. This
is the problem, That's what I'm saying. Sean Heimer doesn't
know what's going on. Get them out of there, Schottenheimer,
Come on, what are we doing? What is that jacket?
Apex won Apex. I was trying to look at the
logo and Apex one. They didn't lst. They didn't last

(01:32:47):
very long in the I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
I was going to say that looks like I think
there was an Wasn't there another company called like Fleer
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Or Fleet or was it Fleer Fleer.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
No, it's like something like that, right, No, it was
like fl It was like f l e e T
or f l e e R or something like that,
like Fleet Fleer Fleer. There was a card company. Yeah,
but I thought they did jackets two like like almost
like those old wind Breakers. No, so, yeah, Fleer is

(01:33:17):
the card company.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Yes, f L e e R. Right, I remember collecting
those back in the day, Fleer baseball cards.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Willie Davis is coming out of the game. Yep, hmm,
third and twelve for Kansas City. Nope, couldn't make the catch. Uh,
I can't find anything Willie Davis. That's a big deal

(01:33:47):
because that's one of the whiteouts, one of the top
whiteouts for for Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
There was a jacket company, I was it was like
a It was like Fleet Street or like Fleet company.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
Hold on punting it away? No, maybe I'm wrong, Well,
of course you're wrong. No, just kidding. All he did
drop the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
You want to talk about scary living be a punt
returner in the NFL Back in this day, not a
guarantee you're going to catch that ball. Back in this
day too. Not only forget catching the ball, think about them.
You have to immediately get ready to start running because
you know you got eleven people barreling down on you

(01:34:42):
full speed with your head up like you've got your
head up in the sky, and they're all they're doing
and all they're thinking about is I am going to
evaporate this man.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Make sure that you get jackedmore.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
But yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Back in this day,
in those days in the nineties, blow them up. Yeah,
I would not pay You couldn't pay me enough to
be a special teamer back then. And that's the other thing, Like,
I I love sports. I love how it updates and
changes and it's new all the time and things stay
fresh and the way.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
The world works or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
But these guys are getting paid pennies compared to what
people get paid now. Yeah, and they're getting they're getting
hit twice as hard as people get hit nowadays, which
is just crazy to me. Like they were just like, yeah,
screw it, I'm gonna I'm gonna get smoked. But at
least I'm making like one hundred thousand dollars, and it's
like nowadays they're like, I'm not I'm not lacing up

(01:35:39):
my cleats for less than twenty million guaranteed, not that much,
but you know what I'm saying, And a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Those contracts in the NFL are not guaranteed. I know
prices were different back then, too, find I know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
I know that were obviously inflation and everything in the
way the world works. I'm just saying, it's crazy that
these guys, like these folks, these players, whatever you want
to call them.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
If you made thirty five thousand dollars a year in
nineteen ninety four, you could afford an apartment. You could,
You could do that. It was it was totally feasible.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Now it's like you need half a million dollars to
be able to live for a month.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
She doesn't stretch the way it does. Lynn Swann, reporting
from the sidelines, wish you wouldn't. I'm not again. I
I don't like dugout reporters. I don't like Sideline Report.
It offers nothing for me. It doesn't do anything for me.
So Aaron Andrews, I'm sorry, but guess.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
What, see, but you don't like the the update, like
like there that guy got hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
The commentators don't know what's going on. Well, someone can
relay it and they can get a walkie talkie or something.
You'd rather just here al give us the news. Correct
this just in Willie Davis has a bad back. Okay,
thank you. Does Armin Katayan really need to go on
TV and say, well, we just talked to the coaching
staff and no, see.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
But I liked that they didn't put sw Lynn Swan
on these heard Swane's voice, right. I like that because
we still got to see the action. They just they're like, oh,
Lyn Swan's got an update.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
I prefer Lynn Swan catching footballs with the greatest of
ease in the Super Bowl over the Dallas Cowboys and
the Pittsburgh Steelers. That what a catch. See even even again,
that game was before both of us were born, and
we know that catch.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Did he catch it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
You got it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
I think he got it, got it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
I'm just there's a lot Are you talking about Franco Harris?

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
I am thinking of Franco Okay, Lynchwan had the immaculate
reception though, didn't he No, that's Franco Harris.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Had Lynn Swan made the sick catch in the Super
Bowl that they play in slow motion during NFL film.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
But what was it, Greate? Wasn't there like a play?

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
No, because it's not the catch, because you know, I
was thinking of Franco Harris Lynn Swan's catch, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Getting my Steelers mixed up? Right, Yes you are, let's
say Swan. I was like, now I had Now I
got a double check. Lyn Swan played for the Steelers, right,
damn right he did. I do know the catcher or
I do I know the play? You're talking about the
slow motion where he jumps up like almost like an
air Jordan. Oh, you're talking about the one where he

(01:38:13):
almost like air Jordan poses over two cowboys right like
as like he like falls in between him almost right there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Yeah, yep, like he trips over him almost right here.
He does, well, he falls right into one of the
it was, he falls right into like the pads, the
chest pad. That's how he was able to able to
get make the catch.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Essentially, who's a better Steeler, Lynd Swan or Franco Harris.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Franco. I love Linda, I love Swan, he don't get
me wrong, But man, that was actually that was. That
was Super Bowl ten at the Orange Bowl in Miami.
Lynn Swan does it again right there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Kneeling on top of the Cowboys player. This is like
imagine being that guy. We don't even know that dude's name.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
I'll get it, I'll get imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Imagine how long did that dude stay with the Cowboys?
Do you think after Lynn Swan knelt on his career
right there, most wins Montana currently at the at this game,
he was third most wins of all time. And Elway
I think is one shy of fifth or around there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Mark Washington I believe was the the cowboy. So who
Lynn Swan retired?

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
That man?

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Elway was a catch. Jerry Evans.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
You hear the excitement and it's Jerry Evans in the
touch now.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Ye love it? It's coming back? Is it coming back
the defense? It's on the defense touchdown stands.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
You never see offensive pass interference and back then, I
imagine even less than you do today. Yeah. Watch, it's
a bullet to watch. Nicely thrown ball by Yeah, put
it in a bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Boom. Yeah. Jerry Evans absolute catch and Jason Elam I
remember him, Yes, this was when he essentially started out.
I was just to say, is this his rookie year.
I don't think it's his rookie might have been ninety
two or ninety three.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
He uh, he held the record for a long time.
We're tied, yeah, tied with I think it was twenty
one twenty one. It was I think twenty seven seconds
left in the third. Yeah, so we're getting down to
crunch time. Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't Elam hold
the record for longest field goal for a long time?
Like he had like a sixty yard or a sixty one?

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Did he did something like that? Did I think it
was sixty three yards or something? Let me double check.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Yeah, because he had it for a long time, because
obviously mile high can get a little extra float on
the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
No, you don't say. And now the momentum is back
on the Broncos. You could feel it in the crow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
The crowd is a love Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Love one of the guys. We're in the forty nine
ers jacket because obviously you must be a big Joe
Montana guy.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
How was he able to make it out of there alive?
Because you know, the Niners routed the Broncos in the
Super Bowl fifty five to ten. Yeah, but I feel
like more than more back than third quarter ends. Back then, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
More people are just like, hey, buddy, are you lost?

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
You need a map? Well, if you were in a
Red Sox at at the Yankee Stadium back in the
early nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
That's different. That's different. The Red Sox and the Yankees arrivals.
The Niners in the Broncos. Yeah, the Niners beat them
in the Super Bowl, but they're not really rivals.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
It's not like the Chiefs and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
The Broncos or the Raiders in the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Who do you think is the bigger rival, by the way,
for the Broncos, the Chiefs were the Raiders. I think
it's the Raiders. I think the Raiders are like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
A lot of rivals, I mean modern day the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
But as it stands, yeah, just because the success that
the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
The first down have had compared to the success that
the Chiefs have had in recent years, Like clearly the
Chiefs have been the more competitive team and the team
that probably is given the Broncos a little more struggle.
But I don't know, actually, because the Raiders have upset
the Chiefs as well. The Raiders have upset the Broncos.

(01:42:37):
I think the Broncos have up The Broncos have actually
been decent against the Chiefs in recent years. Like back
when Russell Wilson was there, they beat the Chiefs. Russe Wilson, Yeah,
Russell Wilson the quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
He wasn't there for very long.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
No, But I'm saying, like, so the Broncos have beaten
the Chiefs more often, I feel like than the Chiefs
have beaten them recently.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Well, now, of course you got bon Nicks.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Yeah, exactly, So I feel like the Broncos maybe they're
more like, Oh, the Raiders are an all an all
time rival.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
But the Raiders, man, I think, Well, the Raiders I
think are just it's just everyone's rival. Let's said the
E word. Well, I don't like, here we go? Is
he gonna run? It's a good throw.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
I mean it was kind of like a duck, but
it was a good catch and it was a bullet.
It was only wobbly because he threw it as hard
as he did on this one off his foot. Yeah,
that was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
Wearing LA gear again.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Fitting goes from California.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
To Kansas City. Well, he wore Mazzuno as well, but
he ended up signing a deal with La La Gear.
Never wore Nike. Joe Montanan tom Brady's first what tom
Brady's rookie year he wore Adidas, but from one rosh
nine he wore Nike and then under armor of the
rest of his career and abs loot missile. No, that

(01:44:04):
was actually a beautiful throw. You know who would have
caught that? You know who? Joe?

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
You know what Joe Montana's thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
As soon as you let that go, He's like, Jerry,
where's Jerry? Yeah, Jerry would have caught Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry,
Jerry Kerry. He's got double coverage too. Look at this.
I got Stein Runner in my office. I need help, Jerry,
Uncle Leo.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Yeah, Joe's probably like, man, I'm missing him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Well, he ain't coming to Kansas City. They got Wow,
it's a delay games, A delay game, Yeah, they're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
You want to know what's nice is they're actually calling
that because nowadays I feel like that same thing happens
every single game and the refs just let go. Not
like they still call delay of games, but like if
they snap it right when.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
It like right there are penalties for yardage Kansas.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Oh yeah, remember when I said that's gonna that's gonna
ruin their game. Yeah, remember when I said that, seventy
six yards on penalties? Seventy six yards?

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
Where are they right now on the field? Are they
at the twenty five yard line?

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
They're past that. They'd be at the end zone if
you toast at the end zone. Kimball. Anders did not
get that one done. Mecklenberg with the tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Mecklenberg an absolute animal. This dude looks like he could
be kept in a zoo.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
He's right there. Say look at him out of Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Yeah, this dude looks like he could wrestle at Grizzly Bear.
He's wearing number seventy seven and he's standing up off
the line.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Yeah. Animal.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
He reminds me of another what's what's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Bruce Smith, the legendary the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, yeah, number
seventy nine.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Seventy eight was it? It might have been seventy eight.
That sounds right, yep. Hall of Famer Bruce Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
Defensive players wearing seventy is weird to me, but I
like it. It feels like you look more like I
don't know, an animal like aggressive, like a number seventy eight,
number seventy What was Mecklenberg wearing seven seven.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
Yeah, that's a tough look and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
With the big like face mask and he has the
big shoulder pads. So yeah, he's not to be messed with. No.
I used to wear I used to have a cowboy collar.
I used to wear like a collar on my neck.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
In football, I had a neck injury when I was younger,
and I like strained my neck. I like need my
I was doing like a drill and I ended up
like getting thrown off this dude as he was running.
They fumbled another punt up and the broncoas have the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
No, the chiefs do. It's the chief Oh wow, yep.
Talking about the neck injury, I.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Had a neck injury. I had to be like carted
away in an ambulance.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
I was like straight board, You're scared. Yeah, I was,
like I was like eight years old. I was, and
my my mom had a ride with me. And it
was nice though, because the the E M t Or.
There was a kid who was our quarterback on our
team when I was like a little kid, and his
dad was an EMT and he like ran over when
it happened, but while the ambulance was on the way,
he like calmed me down and just talked to me

(01:47:22):
and stuff, which I know that's the second time to
two puns.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
In a row. It's a good way to get cut. Yeah,
especially if you're a special teams player.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
You don't have a lot like your your role is
probably not that big, so you gotta take advantage of
it while you can not not this was a tie game,
squander it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
But yeah, I had the neck injury.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
So after that I wore a cowboy caller for the
rest of my career and and I say career, but
the rest of my football playing career to One of
my favorite players was Brian Cox if you remember him play,
he wore Chicago Bears. He had the biggest like he
had board. That was what I wanted when I was

(01:48:04):
growing up as a washboard.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
But I had a cowboy j j. I'll never be
your beast of burden. Beast of burden? Who's singing that? Anyway?

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Yeah, I thought you were gonna hit me with the
little joke, the one where it's like who sings that?

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
And let's keep it that way. That's Mick Jagger and
the Rolling Stones, you sir, Or no Mick Jagger or
the Rolling Stones. No lerenchin closer to the end zone though. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
After that, Lucky Special Teams blunder by the Broncos. I mean,
I don't understand. That's two punts in a row. Get
someone else out there. I bet that guy is not
out there. The next punt return fired by eleven o'clock. Yeah,
in the fourth and it's all tied up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
I hate these chiefs white pants, by the way, I
hate them, and I'm match the helmet. I I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Both of these uniforms are mid to me, like mid tier.
They're not like in school. We would if if something
was mid it was it was not like crazy or
it wasn't bad, like if it was just whatever, we'd
give it a seven.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
People are clamoring it's a seven. A lot of people
are clamoring for these Broncos old school and again they
do wear them. They do special.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
I think the new I think nowadays they look better
because they're updated. The sheen on the jerseys a little
more a little more saturated.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
But also maybe it's just the broadcast. Maybe that's like
I bet in real life, like in person these.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
He missed it. No, Leanne Elliott missed it. That was
like only like a fifteen yard field goal. And what
do they call Ann Elliot when he miss his field goals?
I don't know, Lynn idiot. Oh that's a tough look.
That's a tough look.

Speaker 3 (01:49:59):
Lynn l i n by the way, not Lynn like
Lynn swan l y n n. It's like insanity, the
original insanity. Yeah, yeah, that's what the Chiefs had. They
were lindsaying in the membrane.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Here it is ready, Okay, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
Bat hold?

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
And that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
The holder never takes you know, you never see the
holder getting called out on the broadcast. Well, if it
was up to me as a coach, guess who's never
going to see the light of day that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
No the field, Yeah, no, this is foot. I know
it's called football, but it's more like handball. As I said,
field goal kicker, this is your job. Paint my house,
Get me a snickers. That's okay, you're a bat boy,
that's all okay. Put the fries in the bag and
give me the mad Put the money in the bag.
Put the money in the bag, go paint my house,

(01:50:58):
get me a snickers, and then that's it. You got it.
You have no use of me. I have no use
to you. Okay, see sixty five year yardfield goal to
win the game. No, I'm gonna have my quarterback a
man throw the ball right on the field. That's what
you're paid to do.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
See. I like the kickers just because I like the
long field goals, but I don't like you like rugby
rugby scrums too, So I mean, hey, whatever, Oh and
another flags coming down?

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
How much? How much you want to bet that it is?
It's on Kansas City? Oh yeah. I love when.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Players just walk up to the refs while they're the
refs are like discussing everything. Del carter yep, not a
pass interference so it's not like spot foul. Correct, But
you know you used to do that all the time.
Tom Brady, oh like nuts with that. He's the Jordan.

(01:51:58):
He's the Jordan of focus to do that, you know
what I mean? Like you ever seen that clip of
Michael Jordan. He walks up to the ref and he's
like he's holding me, man, Like I'm telling you he's
been holding me all night and he's like, well, I
didn't see it, Michael, but if you say so, I'll
call it. And then immediately the rest like the rest
like holding on whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
He's like, I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
I trust you, Michael, I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I don't want to. I don't want to see players
come up to a fishal I don't either. I hate
it so much.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Tom Brady's the same way.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Do you see Mike Trout come up to the umpire like, yeah,
I think that was a ball no happening? Yeah, well
I'm I mean, not Mike Trout, but Mike Mike Trout
ten years ago. Mike Trout ten years ago, not Mike
Trout now. I feel like, I don't know, It's pointless.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
The refs are gonna like whatever you go over there
and say or do, you're not going to convince them
of anything unless you're Michael Jordan or Tom Brady. I
saw that coming from a mile away. You saw that
defensive end like rat.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Neil Smith again.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
You see him RAPI yeah, he saw him wrap off
the screen like go around the edge, and then you
just lost him for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
And as soon as Elway broke.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Out of the pocket, I was like, oh yeah, that
dude's gonna come barreling down on his back.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
He's limping. Did you watch? Didn't you say he has
no like what ms? I believe he has no right
mcl usually Elway hangs onto that football too, but he
did in that time. Good thing that the Broncos were able.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
To recover it though, Yes, but now they got a
third and twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Third and twelve? Can they get out of this?

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
That's a nice little graphic. The little down marker. Elway
takes an absolutely smoking shot.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
He is John Elway got jacked.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Yeah, Elway, he's got those cartoon stars floating around his head.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Yeah, he doesn't even He's not even talking to anybody
right now. But his mouth was moving.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
There's no one there listening. He's just talking that lips
are moving. By meg trainor you want to hear his story,
I won't good.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
I thought you were gonna sing no, shut up and
sing no, just shut up. I got a good story this.
This person will remain nameless, ruined a punted again? Will
he ruin it?

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
But they we were facing John Stark in middle school,
I believe, and short game by Kansas City there on
the return.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
They got to work from the thirty yard line, so
we had their own thirty yard line.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
We had this tall quarterback in middle school. He got
smoked one time, like a blind side hit on and
it was like third or fourth down when he got hit,
and then we ended up turning the ball over. And
he played on defense too. He was like, I think
he was our safety on defense or our cornerback.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
And he.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
We'll say, his name is Carl. Okay, Carl, it's not
that funny. It's it was pretty serious. But he was quarterback, right,
so we got to turnover on downs. He had gotten
smoked like two or three plays before that. We switch
over to defense and he spoke. He stays out on
the field because he's supposed to be there, and he
gets up behind the nose guard and goes to take

(01:55:12):
the snap from the noseguard, thinking that we were still
on offense. And the nose guard instantly jumped up and
was like, hey, oh, get your hands out of there, please, buddy.
He's like, we're not on offense. The coach had to
like call a time out and get off the field.
Obviously he was jacked up, if I could say the least.
The nose guard's reaction, though, prices. Oh no, getting loose

(01:55:36):
a little checkdown from Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Yep. Man, it's so it's so happy. I'm so happy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
It's so nice to have football season back.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
I'm just excited we've had football season back. For I
just I just love football. I love being in the
middle of it. You're you're just so immersed in that.
I know, I understand that this is a week seven,
by the way, October of nineteen ninety four, where they
were supposed to be playing the World Series, but that
didn't happen. The baseball strike made sure of that. That
probably boosted football, right, yeah, absolutely did. Yeah, America's national

(01:56:11):
passion sports illustrated and I'm calling it now America's national pastime.
So I don't know if that's the thing. I mean,
maybe it is the natural. It's not the past time
because kids don't are The thing is to me a
pastime like a father son thing. And you're not seeing
that anymore. You're seeing that in bait. You still see
that in baseball. You don't see that around football. Rarely

(01:56:33):
do you see it in football, right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Well, I don't know nowadays. I mean in baseball you
see it like look at all the look at the
family heritage. There is in baseball stars like Vladdie, Fernando,
Bobashet and Cavin Beagio. I mean there's numerous more that that,

(01:56:55):
you know, I don't even know about off the top
of my head. Like it it's Baseball is definitely a
family thing. But football, I feel like you're you're seeing
it not It used to be more siblings, Yes, lots
of twins, like every twin you know, like tweens the
barber like the Barber twins, Ron Day and and Tiki
and then you know the mccordy twins, things like.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
That, Jason and now you met them, right, I did
meet them. That was a training camp earlier this year
for the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
One of my favorite things I got to do in
the off season.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
It's funny because you know, sweltering hot, you were there.
I wasn't, but you were able to see you know,
scrimmage and or practice and you were able to see
two guys like that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
It was the joint practice between the Commanders and the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
Yeah, it was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
And they and then the McCarty twins ended up calling
that game that weekend too, so uh they gave me
a little like, uh we chatted it up a little
while they had given me the autograph and discuss some
players to keep an eye out for and stuff first
and goal Montana last second. That was impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Yeah, but the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
The it's not twins or brothers anymore. It feels like
now it's like Ed McCaffrey was like in the in
the NFL, and now you was played for the Denver
Broncos and now you got Christian and Luke McCaffrey, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
Like, so now I feel like it is kind of
maybe maybe that is Matthews family is notorious for you know,
Clay Matthews, the Watts. Yeah, like the I mean, but
that was more again brothers, but John I think that's
Joe Montana's wife, not John Elway's wife. And that I

(01:58:42):
feel Hilliard made the stop. I feel like there's more.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
Yeah, father son combos not like at the same time,
but not if you're seeing it through families.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
It's not pasted down. I mean, do you know what
I mean? I think watching football and spending time with
your dad is more of a passed down thing, whereas
baseball is a pastoral thing. I get what you're saying.
Dad has to give the glove and the ball to
the kid.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
I get what you're saying. And there with baseball, there's more.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
Like they got to catch this one in because Linn
Elliott is not.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
Joe Ram's bootlegg and there's a hole that's got to
be a hold.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
And he didn't even catch it. Anyways, Do you go
for it on fourth?

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
Look at this ref pointing at the football right in
front of the chief's face. He's right in front of
the wide receiver, just pointing right at the football on
the ground. I feel like you gotta go for it,
because what's the worst that happened to leave it a
yard short and your defense.

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
You just got to force Denver to hold it at
the one, have them play from behind, from from like
their own end zone. Score. But in terms of the.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Yeah, yeah, called that. That was obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Obvious. Shottenheimer can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:59):
They're gonna, I guarante they show a replay of it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Here. I guess there's not an eligible receiver this time.
Oh you're not even seeing the hold. Oh that's what
it was.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
Yeah, I know, but they didn't show the hold. They
showed the drop. The penalty was declined.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
Okay, they're kicking it. Are you sure you want to
do this? Go for a fake? You might have to? Okay,
all right, nineteen yarder.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
If I'm the holder, yeah, I'm just taking the snap
and running right up the middle. Like if I'm the holder, Yeah,
why not just run right up the middle? You get
the hold and then just stand up and run right
at the center.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (02:00:40):
All you gotta do is fall forward like two yards.
There's Montana on the on the headset, on the headset, Yeah,
to the great ones here. You know. Have you heard
the story about when he used to call his wife
from the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
On he was with the forty nine ers. Yeah, yeah,
that's a funny story. Joe Montana, Joe Namath, I think
used to call the offense the offensive coordinator up in
the booth say what's up? I'm not talking on TV
game winning drives Marino l A Montana, Steve de Berg,
Boomerisiasin and Jaws? What Ron Jawarski of your Philadelphia Eagles

(02:01:17):
shout out to Jaws?

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
Yep, you know Steve de Berg, right, I don't know
that he's the only name on the list of.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Burg was Tampa Bay and Kansas City. In fact, I
believe he replaced Montana, replaced de Burg when he went
to Tampa. When No, when he went to Kansas City. Oh,
I'm saying, like, did de Burg retire? No, I think
he became a backup, then he retired, then became a backup.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
A name that we haven't been saying a lot tonight,
Shannon Sharp makes a play there, lazer. Uh. The clock
has about three minutes forty seconds on it shouts out
to some Vanah State Go Tigers.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
You know Savannah State.

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
Yeah, yeah, it's an HBCU school.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
It is absolutely Did Sterling go there as well or not?

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
I don't know if Sterling went there. I know I
think Shannon Sharp's the only player I know from there,
but I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
Know they're bothams. Yeah, first brother duo yep, won a
tight end, won a wide receiver, and at one point,
at one point, Sterling was the better one.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
Oh yeah, when the first player like talk about lore,
I used to like collect cards and stuff. And the
first player my dad ever told me about, like really
that wasn't either a Patriot player or a Giants player,
an Eagles player like one that I would know about. Essentially,
the first player yeah, I know, ninety one yards for Kansas.

(02:02:52):
The first player my dad ever told me about was
Sterling Sharp and I had like a Pro Bowl card
to his and my dad was like, this guy would
have been the greatest wide receiver want.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
All the time. I don't think he would have been
the great He went to South Carolina, so went to
an SEC school.

Speaker 3 (02:03:04):
So away pointing at the block. Let's go good blocking downfield,
Broncos moving. It's what's interesting about that graphic they showed
for most like play or what was it?

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
Comeback wins? Yes, come from yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Who was
Who was number one? Again? It was? Uh? It was
Dan Marino, Dan Marino. John Elway did not have a
fully functioning anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee for
his entire NFL career. Despite this, he played without it
and did not have it surgically repaired. He also experienced

(02:03:45):
knee problems later in his career, including knee replacements after retirements. Yeah, okay,
go ahead with the with Morino real quick.

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
Yeah, you're gonna get knee replacements when you don't get
your knee fixed when it needs to.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
Be fixed pretty much anyways. Dustin Rhodes has knee replacements already. Well,
if I don't know if you saw this. This was
a couple months ago during a wrestling match at a
e W he had screwdriver right into his Yeah, right
into his knee, like the open wound and everything. Oh
my god. Yeah, so he's yeah, he says he's not retired,

(02:04:19):
so as Dustin Rose, Dusty Rose's kid, and Cody Rhoad's
big brother. So anyway, the gold Dust the third and ten.

Speaker 3 (02:04:29):
Think about the graphic that they showed that was interesting
to me. Is yet Elway has not been in the
league as long as Montana, Right, Like Marino and Elway
both started in eighty three. When did Montana start.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Seventy seventy eight, seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (02:04:46):
Maybe, so Elway is hasn't been in as long as Montana,
but he has it as many come back Montana.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
They well, actually, yeah, now, Montana's injuries and he was
not the starter immediately. Also played for Santa Francisco out
of out Dame.

Speaker 3 (02:05:00):
Also, on top of that, I doubt Montana had as
many come from behind opportunities as because the Niners were
so dominant, right, I didn't have to worry about It's like,
how many times. Did Tom Brady have a comeback win? Like,
I mean, he probably had like a good amount, but
it's like the Patriots most part. Yeah, the Patriots were dominant,
so he probably didn't have as many as like, Oh,

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that's that's definitely a fumble. That was definitely a fumble.
I do not think he was down. Jeez, no way,
he was not down.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
Uh oh.

Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
Yeah wow, first down for the Chiefs. Yeah, Shannon Sharp
is it looks like he's either hurt or no. He's
just very distressed to Jerry's dejected.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
What a punch out. Yeah, however, in today's game, he
would be down. Yeah, because his first knee his knee
hit the ground. Damn Yeah. George Jamison got it the
Kansas City Chiefs. Again, he's not injured, he's just dejected
because of.

Speaker 3 (02:06:15):
The I can't believe. Of all people, we're literally just saying,
haven't heard from Shannon Sharp the whole game pretty much.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
There's a reason for this.

Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
Yeah, wow, that's crazy. Did he give the game away
two minutes forty five seconds? It's if they can get
a couple first downs here, it's it's over, no way balls.
The Broncos got the ball back the next play. El
Wait didn't even have his helmet off all the way. Yep,

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what is going on? It's Meckleburg, Mecklenburg, whatever his name is, Mecklenburg.
The excitement is getting me too worked up. A young
fan in a Rockies hat going wild on the in
the crowd.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
Colorado Rockies in their second year officially when this happened.

Speaker 3 (02:07:03):
Mecklenburg.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Watch Marcus Allen No, yeap.

Speaker 3 (02:07:10):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
I can't believe the back and forth going on. The
Chiefs giving the game away. Look at the.

Speaker 3 (02:07:18):
Time, now they might have en. They're on their side
of the field. Correct, Al Michaels Al, Michael's absolutely killing
it right now, getting everything in. Was that? Uh? I
didn't mean to snap, but that was snap?

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
What are you snapping at me?

Speaker 4 (02:07:38):
For?

Speaker 3 (02:07:39):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
Was that snap at me? What was that?

Speaker 3 (02:07:41):
That looked like Bill Cower? That couldn't have been Bill
cow He was coaching Pittsburgh?

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Was he? I was gonna say? Was he already the
head coach? Was his first year?

Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
Yeah, here's a ball?

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
WHOA what I get? Get a great camera work from
the ABC crew here.

Speaker 3 (02:08:00):
I was gonna mention the instant replay, even though it's
an older technology still looks pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
Two minute warning. Lway still has a twenty four twenty
one Kansas City leading Denver, and they're still looking at
the sad huh, look.

Speaker 3 (02:08:13):
At his eyes. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
What a good shot.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
Oh that was great.

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:08:21):
The realization that the ball is about to hit him
in the face. It's like an inch away, and he's like,
oh no, yeah, that's when in the movies you they
pause it and they go, I bet you're wondering how
I got myself into this mess and that's how I
met your mother. And it's going to be extra yardage
because nope, yeah, here comes a fight. The ref getting pushed. Okay, See,

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nowadays the refs are in there when they blow the whistle.
H they don't mess around. They get right into the
action to make sure no players get hit. Safety is
so big of like such a big deal nowadays. Yep,
I'm wondering what happened. They get him on a hard

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count because Derek Thomas just blew through the line. He
must have thought someone jumped, especially because Derek Thomas is
one of the stars of this defense. Yes, maybe some
time sitting on the sideline at the beginning of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Just the reverse angle right here. Watch.

Speaker 3 (02:09:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say, did did his teammates set
him off? The little flinch's teammate did.

Speaker 1 (02:09:40):
Yeah, that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
Yeah, three timeouts each under two minutes to go big
hit after he went out of bounds. Yeah, penalty came
in rough. I was about to say he was going
out bounds.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:10:00):
I was thinking maybe they wouldn't call it because it's
a little more, little more.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
And more old to call personal foul roughness. Yep, half
the distance to the goal. You know what I'm gonna
have to bring in.

Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
By the way, I got some old ref cards, like
I got trading cards for of referees. Oh yeah. They
came in old packs of football cards and there was
refs and then on the back it would give you
like their calls, like it would show you like two
different calls per card or something like that. It would
give like a little biography on the the ref and
then like it would be like this is a safety

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and this is like a touchdown or something like that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
What the what the handigal hands signals are? Yeah? One
to go in the game, and again Denver's down by three, split.

Speaker 3 (02:10:49):
Back formation wide on first and goal and they hand
it to the running back. See but if you're Denver here,
you got to let the clock run.

Speaker 1 (02:10:59):
Correct, You want to milk that clock for as long
as humanly possible. And look, one hundred and one yards
by the Chiefs is crazy. I think Elan was a
lot better field goal kicker than Lynn Elliott. Now again,
I not a big field goal going to begin with.
You get the idea. So so Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (02:11:20):
Now that it's first in goal, Kansas City can actually
use their timeouts and force Denver to.

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
Like basically either number kick it. This was the opener
against No Way yep, and then against the Bills on
Monday Night football. Wow, the Bronco's wearing what was that?
That was their first uniform. Because this is the seventy

(02:11:48):
five years of the NFL, they would use different uniforms.
That was. Yeah, that was a weird looking uniform. That
horse very cartoonish.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
It was like a white uniform too. It brought those
the sleeves had like.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
They brought those back with Jay Cutler against the Patriots
back in like two thousand and nine or ten.

Speaker 3 (02:12:08):
Oh, wasn't that the anniversary of the AFL.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
Yeah, because the Broadcos and the Chiefs are both AFL franchises.

Speaker 3 (02:12:13):
See, but I remember the AFL jerseys they used, I thought,
because wasn't that around the Josh McDaniels time. Yes, when
he was like there he coaches, they had like Brandon
Marshall on their team.

Speaker 1 (02:12:23):
I think yep, pre Tim pre Tip, pre Tim Tebow. Yeah. So,
and also, do you know who the Kidsas City Chiefs
were originally? Weren't they the Texasus? They were the Dallas Texans.

Speaker 3 (02:12:36):
That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
I knew it was like Texas something. Did he get it?

Speaker 3 (02:12:40):
Yes? He did, bought a catch, and I honestly think
he got two feet down too. I mean he was
pushed out anyways, it would have been it would have
counted anyways, but it looked like he got two feet down.

Speaker 1 (02:12:55):
Wow, they're saying no, Chiefs saying no.

Speaker 3 (02:13:00):
I mean, it doesn't matter. You're not going to change
his mind. The calls made. This dude is upset that
defender is letting them have it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
It's still being discussed. One.

Speaker 3 (02:13:17):
Oh, he didn't get that second foot down, but he
was pushed out.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
So he the That's right, that's how that rule worked.
I forgot.

Speaker 3 (02:13:33):
You had to catch it, like you had to be
able to catch it, yes, for the push off rule
to go into effect. And they're calling it no touchdown. Okay,
let's hear it from it's the verdict. Come on, this
is this is about the time nowadays when they cut

(02:13:54):
to Applebee's they cut to an Applee's.

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
Arect Okay, so it's not a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (02:14:10):
So the Broncos went from being on cloud nine to
a loss of down and a loss of yards for
the illegal touching all that they till how do we
not have footage of him going out of bounds? Okay,
never mind, thank you, Al Michaels, get right to it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:29):
The ABC cameras.

Speaker 3 (02:14:33):
Tilman down low. Yeah he does go out of bound. Yeah,
yeah he does out in out. You have to be
in then out.

Speaker 1 (02:14:45):
What a great call. Elway's trying to have it explained
to him. Howls Now, he's now he's livid. L Way. Yeah,
Elway is who Elway is.

Speaker 3 (02:14:59):
Lived he did telling him use your head, blah blah blah.
I'm surprised he doesn't get a personal foul. That Rockies
fan in the stands not losing it anymore. The temperature
has gone cold, here in Denver. Then, I mean it

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looked like he was pushed out. But it doesn't matter
because like right here, once you're out of bounds, you
cannot write, you can't come back, you can't be the
first person to touch it. No, like if it got tipped,
like say you go out of bounds here it is. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. It looked like he pulled him,

(02:15:42):
pushes him out. He was out of bounds. And normally
when you're pushed out of bounds, you're allowed to come
back in like on like a punt return or whatever,
but you have to immediately come back in. Yes, And
it looked like he kind of I think that's why
the call went Kansas City's way, because it looks like
he kind of like danced on the back line for

(02:16:02):
a minute and then got open to make the catch.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
One thirty three to go in the game, Kansas City
leading Denver twenty four to twenty one. Shannon Sharp third
and goal. They got to get this and always going
to run it in and he's got it touchdown.

Speaker 3 (02:16:22):
They scored with ten.

Speaker 1 (02:16:28):
And it's coming back. Shannon Sharp is going to lose it.
See back then you could have your helmet off. Now
you have to have you hear Yeah, if you take
your helmet off on the field. Look, Schottenheimer's say, not
out run.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
This game is crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:16:47):
It is, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (02:16:49):
Imagine sitting at home on a Monday night. You've got
a TV dinner in front of you, Monday night football on.

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
You got that little.

Speaker 3 (02:16:57):
Brownie in the corner with the apple sauce on the
other side, some corn.

Speaker 1 (02:17:00):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (02:17:02):
Hungry man.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
This has been This is about the time.

Speaker 3 (02:17:09):
I'm like, hey, I'm going to the freezer. You need
an ice cream?

Speaker 1 (02:17:14):
No, okay, they it's a touchdown. They call it a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (02:17:23):
Now they ran the play with only ten players, but
you need seven people on the line.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
Yeah, Neil Smith is incensed. Now they're explaining it to
Marty Schottenheimer.

Speaker 3 (02:17:39):
Why did that camera shot just look so high definition?

Speaker 1 (02:17:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:17:44):
What was that? That one camera angle looked like it
was like two seconds of added in footage.

Speaker 1 (02:17:50):
From twenty fifteen? What was that? Ad? Aliens? You know
that means right, Aliens Lakers and five A and five.

Speaker 3 (02:18:07):
It was lway in five yards for the touchdown there
and eat them coming out to put them up four points.
I believe.

Speaker 1 (02:18:16):
One nine to go.

Speaker 3 (02:18:19):
Are we gonna finally be able to go one play without.

Speaker 1 (02:18:21):
A stoppage based on what we're seeing right now. No,
it feels like the refs are the highlight of the
game at this point. It's gonna be Super Bowl sixty
by the time this game gets over with.

Speaker 3 (02:18:33):
For real, I feel like, what are we doing? Okay,
you want to know something? Yeah, you can see like
stuff moving on the edge here of the screen. I
think they're just overlaying the replay on top of the

(02:18:53):
live feed.

Speaker 1 (02:18:55):
That's the overhead camera shot.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
Like, I think they're gonna win. This re play cuts away. Yeah, look,
it's just the live feeds still.

Speaker 1 (02:19:02):
In the background.

Speaker 3 (02:19:03):
They never stopped the feed. It's interesting how production worked
back in back in the day.

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
This is nineteen ninety four, so this is as good
as it got right there was Oh yeah, yeah, they
weren't behind the times. This was advanced as advanced, and
we didn't think it was going to get any better.
It did though. Yeah, twenty eight to twenty four, Denver
now leading with a buck twenty nine to go in
the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (02:19:24):
Look at the clock shaking from the stadium.

Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
People are like undulating, Yeah, look at the camera the
camera is undulating it's a Colorado Avalanche. Sounds like a
good name for a hockey team. Wuln't that great? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
Yeah, they could probably use that. Yeah, was it the
Avalanche that used to be the Nordiaks?

Speaker 1 (02:19:47):
Correct? The Quebeca New Die. You saw the Nordiaks with
their uniform was going to look like had they stayed
in Quebec, right.

Speaker 3 (02:19:54):
I don't know, you'd have to. You might have to
going to be a wolf? Really, yeah, I see, I
don't know if I like that.

Speaker 1 (02:19:59):
I like the Igloo. Look the Igloo was I think
they just got Yeah again, this was the nineties. Yeah, yeah,
you were trying different things here.

Speaker 3 (02:20:07):
No way, Denver got the ball back. No no, no,
no one of the one of the defenders ran off screaming.
I thought that there was another turnover. I was like, dude,
right there there it is on one at Mile High
I think he was what I think it was like,
oh for nine. I can't remember what the graphic was
at the beginning of the game, but it's like right there,

(02:20:30):
Joe Montana oh for three at Mile High Only stadium,
in which he has three starts but has not won.

Speaker 1 (02:20:36):
Three plus starts yeah, has not one. Wow, he's one
everywhere except here at Kansas City. Marcus Allen gets the ball.
That's good, right out of bounds. Yep, stop the clock,
and I think they used.

Speaker 3 (02:20:50):
I don't know how many timeouts that Kansas City still has,
but they I know they used at least one. When
two when I think they still have two? But I
could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:20:59):
Okay, yep, yeah, see you two and two asking you
shall receive.

Speaker 3 (02:21:04):
I feel like every time I say something, the graphics
broadcast is right there. I wonder if they're listening, like
Google ads, aliens, aliens, Marcus Allen for a run. Honestly,
I like the call, get up to the line, speed
it up, one.

Speaker 1 (02:21:23):
Seven to go in the game? Want to wait? So
they took a time out?

Speaker 3 (02:21:27):
No it, they did take it. I saw a Denver
player sitting on the ground.

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:21:31):
Back in the day, there's another rule that doesn't exist anymore.
But back in the day, if you were hurt, they
took a time out. They're still I know, but they
changed the rule in the early two thousands, so it
would cost your team a timeout.

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
Back in the day, it didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:21:46):
So like, say you're out of timeouts and you know
the other teams moving down the field pretty quick. You
you tell one of your safeties before they go out
on the field. You're like, hey, we need you to
go and like if they get ty yards in the
next like thirty seconds, we need you to pretend like
you're hurt. So the player would lay down on the
field like possum. Yeah, play possume, and then they would

(02:22:07):
blow the like blow the clock, stop.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
The clock and logo athletic. By the way, that's the
hat that John Elway's wearing. Maybe that's logo Athletic. Yeah,
maybe that was the I have tried to get a
Saint Louis Stallion's logo Athletic hat with that little the
shark hat thing, you know what I'm talking about, the
shark hat right where they have the shark kind of design. Yes, yeah, yeah,
it's three hundred dollars. Really it's so rare too. It's

(02:22:29):
like one of the few Stallions hats I don't have.
Out out of bounds again, yep, stops the clock, which
is your own time out essentially whenever. That's that's that's
what they say you essentially Saint logo Athletics.

Speaker 3 (02:22:44):
See that I think is the logo I was thinking
of earlier, the logo Athletic. Yes, because my right there
say like the Shark, look right there, Yeah, a Saint
Louis Stallions one in purple with the gold Stallion.

Speaker 1 (02:22:57):
It's it's I think it's the only Stallion's hat I
don't have. If I've got starter, I've got all kinds
of Saint Louis Stallion's hats. Because the Stallions were going
to be an NFL franchise, so they weren't same with
the Baltimore Bombers.

Speaker 3 (02:23:11):
Baltimore Bombers. Yeah, not a mascot name you'll hear anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (02:23:16):
It was guaranteed that Baltimore and Saint Louis we're going
to get franchises. Who got him instead? Carolina and Jacksonville. Oh,
wealthy dropped the ball thirty six seconds. That hat that

(02:23:40):
always wearing it is tough to get. Now. Those things
are selling on the eBay for like hundreds, if not
thousands of dollars.

Speaker 3 (02:23:47):
I'm pretty sure my dad has a Giants not like
the Shark. It might not be the Shark design, but
I think it's that brand. The loco athletic. I used
to wear it to school when I was a kid.
I yeah, I'd steal it and wear it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
Used to get beat up.

Speaker 3 (02:23:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:24:01):
I get Montana's stats though, throwing the ball fifty times. Yeah,
look at the.

Speaker 3 (02:24:05):
Three hundred and forty some odd passing yards, which is
crazy for the nineties. Get out of bounds nice the
first hour that was yeah. Wow, Wade Phillips supposed to
be a defensive coach playing.

Speaker 1 (02:24:21):
Over the top, let feeling it. Yeah, the stress is
starting to But.

Speaker 3 (02:24:26):
The thing is that you can do that. I think
that's the smart move. You play over the top, don't
give anything over your head.

Speaker 1 (02:24:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:24:32):
And then they have to score a touchdown. It'd be
different if they only needed a field goal. But they're down,
the Broncos are down, and the Broncos are up. Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
Four points on the Chiefs. How much do you think
that hat costs back in ninety four? Of that it's
on always head, probably like twenty bucks. Yeah, how much
is it?

Speaker 3 (02:24:48):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
Here we go on the pump fig what what? What?
Cameraman at Emily faked out? That didn't do its job
on that?

Speaker 3 (02:25:01):
Yeah, yep, looked like Joe hit a statue of liberty
to the tight end. There somehow. I'm just I'm just
glad to be here. Me too, shouts out, dude, aren't
we all the high far end zone? Nice shot there, Well,

(02:25:25):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
Glad to be here. Oh time out? Yep. Nice thirteen
seconds left, Joe, you kick a field goal. You're down
by one.

Speaker 3 (02:25:39):
This looks like a very famous San Francisco play setting
up here?

Speaker 1 (02:25:42):
Is it that the catch?

Speaker 3 (02:25:45):
It looks like the Are you talking about the back
of the end zone to Dwight Clark, Yes, I don't
know about that. Look at their setting up for it.
Thirteen seconds left, right at the end zone or the
red zone.

Speaker 1 (02:25:58):
We're going to get that, requested, I bet oh, I
guarantee you know who's at that game, Tom Brady. Really
it was at the nineteen eighty one and an NFC
championship game Santa Francisco, the Dallas Cowboys and the Santa
Francisco forty nine ers. Vince Scully on the call for CBS,
by the way, calling one game one of your favorites.

(02:26:18):
That's right, he called football.

Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
He called, well, San Francisco, welcome to Candlestick Pike bag
Dad by the Bay, bag Dad by the Bay. First
time in career he had fifty plus passes consecutive games. Yeah,
talk about not washed. I guess yeah, out here throwing
the ball more than he's ever thrown. I'm going to

(02:26:40):
take my football advice from you anymore. Dynamite analysis. Joe
Montana is good at football. There's just just in he's good. Okay,
breaking news. We got thirteen seconds to go down by four?
Kansas tight end in motion? Can they go a seven

(02:27:03):
yard line? Joe to the corner?

Speaker 1 (02:27:06):
He got me got it? Willie Davis, Wow, yep, I
was wrong. There it is. There's the call. Lord. You
can take me now, I've seen it all. Dan Deardorf, Wow,
what a game? Still eight seconds left? But what a game?

(02:27:36):
Willie Davis? Watch? What a catch out in out? Wat
to catch in that?

Speaker 3 (02:27:45):
That little we used to call it tapioca Elam got
the extra point, not Lynn Elliott or n Elliot excuse
me right here, like a little side step little boot. Yeah,
we called that Happyoka. We would do like a little
like crossover drill where we'd like sidestep and crossover.

Speaker 1 (02:28:10):
They called Kansas City and Santa Francisco in the Super
Bowl the first time they met, the Joe Montana Bowl
because he played for both, Yes Santa Francisco to Kansas City.
L Way. It's just like sick reminds me of Joe
Burrow in his twenty twenty four season.

Speaker 3 (02:28:33):
The whole year he would just have an amazing game,
go off just throwing darts, Jamar Chase t Higgins and
then lose because the defense was awful. Yes, it was,
and that's probably how the Broncos are feeling at the moment.
It's like, how did you just let the Chiefs come
back from so far down? They were down fourteen in

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the first half, came back and tied it up right
before halftime, and then you're gonna let them just walk
away with it. They Denver's been almost behind the whole
second half.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
Yeah, eight seconds, little squib.

Speaker 3 (02:29:12):
Fair catches it on the twenty five. Pretty much a
modern day touchback.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
You got seven seconds is Jersey number seven.

Speaker 3 (02:29:22):
If anyone can do it, though, Elway could be that guy, right.

Speaker 1 (02:29:25):
Can Montana Magic beclipsed by Elway?

Speaker 3 (02:29:30):
Elway's got the drive, He's got the arm. Yeah again,
Elways still in his prime here.

Speaker 1 (02:29:35):
Can we hold onto the ball? Though? That's the question
too the offensive line. Can they not have guys like
Neil Smith and Derek Thomas go in and absolutely get
into the or can they make a play here?

Speaker 3 (02:29:49):
They do have a good kicker and they're only down three.
All they need to do. All they need to do
is get into field goal range. And I think they
have timeouts too. I don't think they used any of
their time out ounce here it is time out, time out.

Speaker 1 (02:30:13):
One second.

Speaker 3 (02:30:21):
The power of the foul is one of the greatest
lines I've ever heard. They're looking for the power of
the Frank Gifford, great call there, power of the foul.

Speaker 1 (02:30:33):
Mm hmm. We need like a hooking ladder here, I
think are a few years before that. You got one

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second left mm hmm. Solway two seconds, two seconds, it
didn't matter. Yeah, you could have left it out on
You've got to run it. So I always got to
find where he can.

Speaker 3 (02:31:08):
He's already I was gonna say, he's already getting ready
to backpedal.

Speaker 1 (02:31:12):
Yep, look alive, John, It's fumbled. That's it. Wow. Von Booker,
the Booker Man.

Speaker 3 (02:31:25):
Yep, what a thriller on Monday night here nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 1 (02:31:29):
Unbelievable, isn't it. Montana Magic thirty one, twenty eight The Final,
the last time these two guys would ever meet. Joe
Montana and John Elway a Monday Night football classic back
in week seven at October of nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (02:31:46):
You're listening to the playback with Jay Dog and CJ
on the Pulse Podcast Network.

Speaker 1 (02:31:52):
The Playback and the aftermath of a classic Monday Night
football showdown back on week seven in October of nineteen
ninety four, Denver Broadcos Kansas City Chiefs rivals already in
the AFC West and continue to this day, as Joe
Montana and John Elway would duke it out one last time.
And what a game this was?

Speaker 3 (02:32:13):
Huh Yeah, I mean one that I never got to
see growing up.

Speaker 1 (02:32:18):
I didn't get to see it either. Remember I was
probably watching Monday Night Football or The Nanny. Yeah, mom
had the TV. I don't want to hear any franch
treasher person. Yeah, home May that's my worst friend. Is
that Gomer Pyle? She had like a really funny last
Yes she did.

Speaker 3 (02:32:38):
I'm trying to think of, like, uh, the intro, because
my wife and I have rewatched The Nanny.

Speaker 1 (02:32:45):
Yeah, well I was, yeah, you know, so what network?
By the way, The Nanny. Yeah, I'm not sure, CBS. Really,
it seems essentially was the competition for Monday night football.
So she became the nanny. That's how it was. I remember,
I shouldn't have said anything.

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up the nanny a lot more.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:33:01):
That's good, great, the but the game it was incredible. Uh,
the final matchup between Montana and Elway. Both of them
tied for fourth quarter comebacks at that point at twenty six,
only behind Dan Marino in NFL history.

Speaker 1 (02:33:16):
And believe me, Elways surpassed Marino as the years went on.

Speaker 3 (02:33:19):
Well that's what quarter I mentioned it during that during
the playback, like during the commentary itself, is that I
know Elway for being a come from behind quarterback like
he was notorious for. That gives me a lot of
like Matt Stafford vibes. They're two different quarterbacks. But like Stafford,
the way he played in Detroit, a lot had to
come from behind a lot well exactly. And and but

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Stafford was I think he would go on to break
the record for like most comeback wins or more most
fourth quarter wins, like for his age, like by a
certain age or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:33:53):
Now we're doing age groups now, well, no, but.

Speaker 3 (02:33:55):
Matt Stafford is younger than a lot of the quarterbacks
that he competed with at the time, and he was
break records for how young he was. He Matt Stafford
hall of Famer. I think he's a Hall of Famer guy.

Speaker 1 (02:34:06):
He's got one or two more years before that happens.

Speaker 3 (02:34:08):
But I think that Elway looks like a nineties version
of Stafford, where it's like just gun it, you know,
getting hit all the time, walking around with like a limp.
Stafford always was hurt when he was in Detroit, and
I feel like Elway was.

Speaker 1 (02:34:22):
Very similar to that.

Speaker 3 (02:34:23):
So it was cool to see both of the two
legends go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:34:25):
Well, the best bet Award if you were betting back
then what would the money line would have looked like?
The odds and anything like that go ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:34:33):
So this week interesting because sometimes we have to, you know,
I have to put on the book he had, yeah,
and find the odds myself. Basically this week didn't have
to do that, right, football has had you know.

Speaker 1 (02:34:48):
Football is the sport to beat on, as we've mentioned
in the past editions of the Playback when it comes
to classic Monday night football games.

Speaker 3 (02:34:55):
Yes, and so the the bet money line. The odds
here I could actually find, which is interesting. So the
first one I'm gonna start off with was the point spread.
The Chiefs were actually underdogs going into this Gay basically
projected to lose by four points was the line. So
it was three and plus three and a half for

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the Chiefs, meaning they had to lose by three points
or less, and the Broncos had to win by four
points which was three and that were both minus one ten.
Both were the same odds, but because of the point
spread being there, obviously favored it in Bronco. The Broncos
like having to win ry four more points. That is

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what makes Kansas City the underdog there. Of course, though
you can also tell by who has the money line,
and Denver was minus one seventy on the money line,
Kansas City was plus one forty five, So being in
plus money makes Kansas City the underdog on the money.

Speaker 1 (02:35:52):
Okay, so hold on plus three for Kansas City, right
it was it was for the spread the spread was
was three and a half, so spread was three and
a half.

Speaker 3 (02:36:01):
So is plus three for plus three and a half
for Kansas City, minus three and a half for Denver.

Speaker 1 (02:36:06):
Three three and a half right, yep okay for case yep,
minus three and a half for Denver. Those are both
one ten okay, minus one ten minus one ten okay.
And the point spread overall.

Speaker 3 (02:36:19):
The point total point total was forty and a half
points forty and a half. Yes, the over on that
was minus one oh five.

Speaker 1 (02:36:27):
Minus one oh five for the over under. Oh the under, well,
the under was minus one fifteen. Minus one fifteen was
the under okay, got it okay?

Speaker 3 (02:36:36):
So here the money line again is plus one forty
five for Kansas City Denver minus one seventy Denver the
favorite going into this, Kansas City being the underdog. However,
Joe Montana is Joe Montana. You now, you said that
you wouldn't have seen there. You didn't see this live.

Speaker 1 (02:36:53):
I didn't see it alive.

Speaker 3 (02:36:54):
No, but you knew about this game, Yes, you knew.
It was one of their final, their final Matt.

Speaker 1 (02:37:00):
We didn't know that at the time because Montane either
I don't recall if you if either sat or was
injured and or resting. Steve Bono became the starter. When
Kansas City hosted Denver. They won that game too. By
the way, the broadcast Broadcoast did seven to nine in
nineteen ninety four, so when the draft came along, they
were able to get a guy like Terrell Davis.

Speaker 3 (02:37:20):
I'm excited because I know that sometimes we've done things
in the playback that are either uh, you know, Guardians
baseball or things that one of us kind of has
a bias to. And I'm excited because I know that
you don't really have a tie into this at all.
So looking at this, imagine yourself. You're ten years old,
you get eleven, you get five bucks at the time,

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and someone's like, you can put your five dollars on
one of these bets.

Speaker 1 (02:37:46):
Which one of these bets would you put your mind?
Ten year old degenerate gamble ten eleven year old degenerate gambling? Yeah, terrific.
You gotta start him young, right, You.

Speaker 3 (02:37:54):
Just all you need is a photo of me from
elementary school and probably would have put on the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (02:37:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:37:59):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I would have put
it on the Broncos too, especially because I, like I said,
I know, Elway has to come from behind. Guy, even
though Joe has just as many knows Joe right, he
has just as many come from behind wins. He has
the rings, whereas Elway at this time did not. Right,
But I feel like Elway again, it's that Stafford thing.
Stafford didn't have the rings, like he has a ring

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now he does.

Speaker 1 (02:38:20):
Press time. Yeah, but like at press time, we're in
football season. They're not going to play the Super Bowl. No,
I'm just the middle of the seat of this season.

Speaker 3 (02:38:28):
I'm just saying, like he has one ring.

Speaker 1 (02:38:30):
Current of the year twenty twenty five. Yes, we're not
in twenty twenty six yet, Yes, we're getting there, so
closer to twenty twenty six than we are twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (02:38:41):
I would have put my money on Elway essentially to
get to the I think that, like I said, Stafford
won a lot of threw my pen there, excuse me.
Stafford won a lot of games, and he even though
he didn't win the championships in Detroit, he won a
lot of regular season games coming from behind. Like I said,
Elway gave me that same vibe. I would put my
money on l Way, but obviously I would have lost.

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So the best bet would have probably been the money
line on Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (02:39:06):
Don't bet against Joe Montana right exactly of the story smoking,
Joe smoke.

Speaker 3 (02:39:12):
It would have been it would have been plus one
for Kids City Joe So Joe cool, Joe cool, Joe cool.
He would have won you some money there on the
money line. So that's your best bet, is the money
line at plus oney forty five?

Speaker 1 (02:39:26):
Yes for Casey. I'm done rambling the worst athletic moment award.
What went terribly wrong? Was it a choke collapse or
just playing bad luck? I'm going to give this, Okay,
worst athletic moment award. I'm going to give this to
the lack of conditioning for the Denver Broncos towards the end.
Their defense was a massive letdown in this game. Now

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that's not to say that the Kansas City Chiefs didn't
have their faults. They did. They had a lot of
penalties for a lot of yards.

Speaker 3 (02:39:58):
I was just about to say, I think the penalties
might be my athletic like my worst athletic moment, but
just basic it's like, you gotta be able to lock
it up.

Speaker 1 (02:40:04):
Denver's defense choked this away. Oh yeah, that's what that
that they let a lot of big plays happen.

Speaker 3 (02:40:10):
I think that makes it like my my worst athletic
moment I think makes your worst athletic moment the worst
athletic moment.

Speaker 1 (02:40:18):
They choked this away.

Speaker 3 (02:40:19):
Like it not only did Denver choke it away, Yeah,
but like, look at how many penalties Kansas City committed
in the yards that they gave up to the penalties
and Denver choked it away on top of that, It's like,
what are we doing. They're giving you the game and
you're still gonna lose. Like, I mean, there's an abundance
of worst athletic moments here that you can choose from.

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From the fifty thousand fumbles that happened in this game
to this was not a.

Speaker 1 (02:40:45):
Perfect game by any stretch of the imagination. You had.
You had turnovers, you had field goal issue snafus mainly
Kansas City. Of course, you had fumble As I said,
you had turnovers, you had fumble Rooskies on both sides
that you had penalties on both sides, the vainly Kansas
City had more.

Speaker 3 (02:41:05):
The missed field goal by Elliott. Yeah, that is an
honorable mention.

Speaker 1 (02:41:10):
I will say, write it down. I will say that is, well,
what was your worst athletic moment? To you?

Speaker 3 (02:41:15):
It had to be the penalties from the Chiefs all combined.
I feel like the penalties over one hundred yards and
penalties and I told you I was wrong, But I
told you at the beginning of the game that was
a drive killer. It's going to ruin your game doing
stuff like that. Of course, Joe Montana bails out the
Chiefs here, but if that was any other quarterback, that
wouldn't happened.

Speaker 1 (02:41:36):
Yeah. So the next category Physical Specimen award who looked
like the ultimate athlete physique, endurance, dominance to me, Neil
Smith was everywhere in this game. He was all up
in the Denver offensive line and John Elway. He was
He was an absolute beast. Neil Smith of Kansas City

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was everywhere in this game. He had the stamina, he
had the physique, he had the endurance. He was just
Him and Derek Thomas were just unbelievable as a one
two combination. They should have won championships together. Neil Smith
did get us ring with the Broncos, by the way,
Derek Thomas never did.

Speaker 3 (02:42:18):
So I am going to give peak physical specimen to
mechl Mecklenburg, Carl mechl Uh, Carl meckle Carl, Carl Macklamore,
I want to go three of shopping, would would Carl Mecklenberg.
I'm going to give it to Mecklenburg because I I

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I mean, I know Denver loses, and I gave my
worst athletic moment to the Chiefs and my peak physical
specimen to a Bronco, even though it's the other way
around in the scoreboard. But I think Mecklenburg he was
all over the place, nonsense, he was like not like
Neil Smith though, No, he was the highlight of the
Denver defense, though he was making plays constantly. That's the

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only reason why he stood out to me is because
on the Chiefs defense. First off, the Chiefs defense was
slow to start, and then Derek Thomas sat out the
first what quarter or first half, I think it was
the quarter.

Speaker 1 (02:43:16):
It was a disciplined thing.

Speaker 3 (02:43:17):
Right, but obviously once he came in it stepped up.
But I feel like hint, Smith and Thomas together were
really good. Smith obviously was all over the Smith was
all over the field. Regardless, I think Mecklenburg was the
only guy all over the field for the Broncos. That's
why I think he kind of I'm going to give
my award to him is because he stood out to
me more. When Denver was on defense, it was like
only him making tackles. Steve Atwater, the legend Hall of Famer,

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almost invisible. You barely heard from him all night, saying
Shannon Sharp kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (02:43:44):
Yep, your best sports nickname? Who had the most legendary nickname?
All Let's see, I'm going to say, and we just
you were singing. I was JJ, I'll never be your
beast of bird.

Speaker 3 (02:43:56):
I was about to say, it's got to go beast
of Burden for sure. That's got to be mine as well.

Speaker 1 (02:44:01):
Eric Burden of the Animals, I give that nickname too. Eric,
I'll never be your beast of burden. So but this
is b I R D E N Burden. So JJ,
I'm gonna write it down ready, JJ, I'll never be
your beast of Burden, So I'll never be all right.

Speaker 3 (02:44:19):
I'm gonna give mine also to JJ Burden. That nickname
is too good. I'm trying to think of any of
the other ones that, like, I mean, cool Joe, that's
a typical one.

Speaker 1 (02:44:30):
No, cool, yeah, Joe, Joe cool yeah, yeah. I'll never
be your beast of And then I'll put Burden, Yeah,
all right, hold on, write that down. So JJ Burden
and best Mike work who talked to talk, you know,
play by play at Al Michaels, who had Frank Gifford
and Dan Dierdorf all in their absolute prime. Yes, even

(02:44:51):
Frank Gifford, believe it or not, who's in last I
think the last year or two of Monday night football.
He was really struggling and they had the plus he
had the fair controversy because he was cheating on Kathy
Lee Gifford, that's who he was married to. So but uh,
Dan Deardorf, Lord take me, I've seen it all. That
is a good call. The touchdown happened. Uh from Joe

(02:45:13):
Montana to Willie Davis, that acro, that athletic.

Speaker 3 (02:45:16):
He said, Lord, take me, I've seen it all.

Speaker 1 (02:45:18):
Or take me now, I've seen it all. That's crazy.
Dan Deardorf, Yeah, great.

Speaker 3 (02:45:23):
In the booth, what did I There was one line
that Gifford said that I can't I can't remember off
the top of my head, but that Gifford had a
couple of good ones in there.

Speaker 1 (02:45:30):
I gotta give it to Al Michaels. You're gonna give
it to Al Michaels. It's the al Michaels. I believe
in comebacks. Yes, al Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:45:37):
They had Al Chucklin in the booth, and I feel
like he was just he's a solid football like commentator.

Speaker 1 (02:45:43):
He loved. The thing is love these two guys because
you know, Al Michaels was supposed to believe call the
World Series that year for ABC, so alongside because he
was already doing Monday Night Football to begin with. So
you had Al Michaels, Tim McCarver, and Jim for baseball
for Jim Palmer, the Orioles pitcher. Yes, that was their

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three man booth. They had that in the eighties and
they brought it back with the Baseball Network, came back
with ABC. But back to Monday Night Football from the
late eighties on, you had Al Michaels, Frank Gifford, and
Dan Dierdorf. You had those three guys up until after
the ninety seventh season.

Speaker 3 (02:46:22):
So now let me ask you a quick question before
we move on. How do you feel about the uh?
How do you feel about the three man team because
nowadays I feel like it's more of a two man team, yes,
with like a guest or a color commentator maybe getting
thrown in there. Action analysts, an analyst, yes, yes, an
action analyst, yes, like the Jim Nantz, Tony Romo.

Speaker 4 (02:46:43):
I don't know, Jim, who can we add on the broadcast?
I mean, Jim, Jim, m Jim. We could probably throw
in another guy here, Jim, but I don't know Jim.
I think Jeens Sterotor might be the add on because
he's the referee. Yeah, what do you think, Jean?

Speaker 3 (02:47:01):
What do you think? I follow a fantasy football podcast
and they talk about how they don't like the ref
and the booth because it's always the ref on the
field making a call yes, and then the ref and
the booth going what do you think? I don't agree
with that, car, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:47:17):
Like Joe, Jean Sterotur is notorious for that.

Speaker 3 (02:47:19):
Yeah, they always go against whatever the ref saying on
the field, and it's like, then, why are you here? Jim, Jean, Jim, Jean, Yeah, Jim, Jean.
I mean, I don't know, guys. Pretty incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:47:32):
Can you imagine if John Madden was with us today
still and would have had to lean on someone like
Jean Sterotur.

Speaker 3 (02:47:38):
Imagine if we had a gene I imagine if we
had a three man booth of Collinsworth, Romo and John Madden,
the type of just does the.

Speaker 1 (02:47:48):
Play by play, then that's a it's a fore man booth.
If it's if it's.

Speaker 3 (02:47:51):
Yeah, I know we would need al Michael. Just throw
it to al Michael button, let the other three go
at it. No offense to Kirk herbst eat because that's
his broadcasts. That's al Michael's broadcast partner on Amazon Prime Video.

Speaker 1 (02:48:05):
Yes, there's a pecking order for that, you know. I
like Herbie with college football. I love him on college
Chris Fowler and Herbie. That's that's abs right there ABC,
or he has but right, but I also like what
something's missing on.

Speaker 3 (02:48:21):
What's the dude's name? It's is it Gus Johnson does
college football?

Speaker 1 (02:48:25):
He's really good to Chris Johnson. Yeah. The Coolest Moment
Award the absolute chillest, sickest moment or slickest moment celebration
of walk off, icy stare down. It's the touchdown that
Joe Montana with time not much time remaining to Willie Davis,
and give Willie Davis credit for that too. That catch
was incredible. The catch had to be in and then

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had out then in it was he he was so yeah,
so Willie so the Joe Montana to Willie Davis, So
Montana to Willie Davis to win the game for the
Kansas City Chiefs, the walkoff for it wasn't a walk off,

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but for the score, the comeback.

Speaker 3 (02:49:10):
I'm trying to think of my coolest moment, like trying
to think of something other than the touchdown, just to
give like a different answer.

Speaker 1 (02:49:17):
But what do you think? It's tough. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:49:19):
I feel like it's got to be the touchdown to
Willy Davis because it's the big play.

Speaker 1 (02:49:23):
But maybe it's one of the last turnovers. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:49:29):
Maybe maybe it's the I don't know. I feel like
it's got to be the Montana touchdown to Willy Davis.
There isn't really anything that is.

Speaker 1 (02:49:37):
That big Maybelway touchdown.

Speaker 3 (02:49:39):
Maybe I was thinking that Lway touchdown, but maybe it's
the drive leading up to the Willy Davis touchdown. They
had a minute in like what twenty or thirty seconds
to go, and they drove down the field scored with
eight seconds left and they only had I think two
timeouts to work with. I think the drive in general,
the drive that Montana put together was incredible. They and
to think they started off drive right like at their

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own we'll say twenty or twenty five or something like that.
The first play was a screen pass that got out
of bounds, and then the second play they handed it
off with under two minutes left and they only had
like two timeouts, so.

Speaker 1 (02:50:12):
It's Montana had been here before, he knows this rodeo.

Speaker 3 (02:50:16):
It was an impressive it like, it's uncommon to run
the ball with under two minutes left, especially if you
don't have all three of your timeouts, because you're putting
yourself at risk of running the clock racked longer than
you want to, and they were able to pull off
an incredible drive and throw a run in like that
and just no mistakes. It was a perfect final drive.
So I'm gonna go with the final drive and a

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little little honorable man. You don't really get to see it,
but Schottenheimer getting his first win in Mile.

Speaker 1 (02:50:43):
High and Montana's first as well. Well.

Speaker 3 (02:50:45):
Yeah, so it's a little cool moment there for them personally,
But I'm gonna give it to the final drive.

Speaker 1 (02:50:51):
Okay, did it age?

Speaker 3 (02:50:52):
Well?

Speaker 1 (02:50:52):
Looking back, does it still hold up any context changes
or does it feel cringey?

Speaker 3 (02:50:57):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:50:57):
This absolutely holds up because of the way it ended,
and also you have Joe Montana and John Elway.

Speaker 3 (02:51:04):
Is this would be like the perfect time for something
like this is Monday Night football like that, Like this
is like Monday Night football, you know what I mean?
Like this is a perfect Like this isn't some throwaway game, Yes,
this is This is Marquis matchup right here. I remember,
I'm gonna I'm not gonna remember the year, but there
was one year there was a Monday Night Football and

(02:51:26):
it was like Booger McFarland.

Speaker 1 (02:51:27):
So you're talking to the ESPTMZ, I think it's.

Speaker 3 (02:51:30):
Like our more recent time, and it was like Booger
McFarland commentating like a Jets versus Dolphins Monday night football game.
And no offense to Jets and Dolphins fans out there,
but no one's tuning in to watching Jets Dolphins on
Monday night foot.

Speaker 1 (02:51:42):
Well they are, but they here's it. They are, but
they aren't. Here's what I mean by that. You have
to remember you didn't have an eighteen or seventeen game
schedule back then. You didn't have the internet? Really? Back then,
Monday Night Football was the Marquis matchup games. They got
it when Sunday Night Football happened to to NBC because
TNT and ESPN would share it. First few weeks would

(02:52:04):
be TNT, next few weeks would be esp That was
back in the day. Okay, this is about Okay, Sunday
Night Football became the Marquee thing. That's why they had
flex scheduling. You could take a game that was marquee
and put it on there, and take a game that
you had previously scheduled, take it off the schedule and
put it on CBS or Fox. Right, yes, so Monday

(02:52:28):
Night Football is not the big deal it used to
be because not just because well no, it's it's on
esp right, So it's not the it's not the marquee
game anymore, right, I mean Sunday Night Football when Al
Michaels and John Madden came to NBC in two thousand
and six, and then flex scheduling came along a few
years later. Actually I think it came like a year later.

Speaker 3 (02:52:50):
Can I ask you something? So, what do you watch
when you watch Monday Night Football? Which broadcast do you watch?
Do you watch the regular broadcast or do you try
to watch Manning cast. I watched the Manning cast.

Speaker 1 (02:53:00):
Here's the thing about that, I think unfortunately, and this
is as we're both broadcasters, we've done play by play,
you still want to do play by play. I think
that's the future, unfortunately, is like Manning cast and stuff
like when Joe Buck and Tim and Treigman's contracts are up,
I could envision just no, think about this the less.

Speaker 3 (02:53:25):
And you're going to understand it because you were both
from a broadcasting background. Yes, it costs probably less money
to broadcast from Peyton, Manning and Eli's house like correct
or wherever they're.

Speaker 1 (02:53:36):
At, like you Omaha, I think of the Omaha Production
Company is a partnership with them to do that. So
that means that means there's not as much cost involved.

Speaker 3 (02:53:45):
Yes, and so they can be produced from their house
very much. They don't have to like Joe Buck and
Troy Aikman have to be sent to the game. They
have to pay for them to fly out there and
talk to them.

Speaker 1 (02:53:58):
And they have set and again they have salaries contracted
with the network. Yep, Joe Buck's contract as him doing
and I bet and Troy Aikman's contract as him doing
that as well.

Speaker 3 (02:54:07):
Yes, and I bet that Peyton, I bet his contract
is not as like not as steep as Joe Bucks, correct,
because they you know, Buck has like a longer broadcasting
career and background. I feel like, like Peyton and Eli,
they're probably not bringing in as much money yet, or
they probably are bringing in as much money, but they're

(02:54:29):
not taking as much away from a salary standpoint, so
it's like easier for them to do that kind of
broadcast and then they'll keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:54:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:54:36):
Burton Tarassi is another one that they do for the WNBA.
It's like a similar game cast style of casting. I
think it works.

Speaker 1 (02:54:43):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (02:54:44):
I enjoy the Manning cast. I mean that's more of
the personality that I enjoy. But I also like it
because they bring in like celebrities and players and whomever
every week. You know, they bring in all these different
like personalities to come talk sports.

Speaker 1 (02:55:03):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:55:03):
I know that you probably don't like that. I don't,
but I think it's it's a cool spin on it.
I honestly don't think they should stop the regular broadcast either.
I don't really watch it. I'm not gonna sit here
and pretend like I do. I watch the Manning cast
if I have the opportunity to. But I think that
they should offer both. Why I don't because I because
I know there's people like you that don't want to

(02:55:25):
hear the Manning brothers go over how big Peyton Manning's foreheads.

Speaker 1 (02:55:28):
Think about that though you're watching I'm not watching either game.
Who's it gonna benefit the person that's actually watching the game.

Speaker 3 (02:55:36):
Yeah, that's true, and I think that it is leaning
the way that I think it's leaning towards the Manning cast.
I remembers like that.

Speaker 1 (02:55:43):
Remember the a Ro You don't remember? You remember the
Sunday Night Baseball cat Remember what was called k Rod?
It was Michael Kay and a the k Rod Cast.
So really they would have Sunday Night Baseball on the
network and then the next channel, the ESPN two or
went right, it would be the k Rod Tell. Why
did I not? I never heard of that? Okay, oh

(02:56:03):
they did that for him, So huh, that's interesting. Like
I said, I kind of like the Manning cast. That's
how big Peyton Manning is now the Manning Cast. I know?
How about that?

Speaker 3 (02:56:13):
What's crazy? You were saying? Earlier that Omaha Productions does
part of that production stuff. They have a partnership with them, right,
So he's Peyton and Peyton's kind of like double dipping
too because they pay ESPN pays Omaha Productions to do
the production, which goes to Peyton Manning, Yes, and then
they and then they pay Peyton Manning and Eli to

(02:56:35):
be talent on the show. Isn't So they're double dipping.
They're paying them twice. Peyton's still doing like Papa John's
right maybe. I mean I think he's got like a
lifetime agreement, so he does. I wouldn't be surprised he's
also got like a lifetime agreement.

Speaker 1 (02:56:46):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (02:56:47):
Like he's got like a huge deal with Buick too,
doesn't he doesn't he Ewick?

Speaker 1 (02:56:50):
And I think bud Light No, yeah, yeah, bud Light. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:56:55):
He's in the commercial with he did the one with
the post MALONEA and Shane Gillis.

Speaker 1 (02:56:58):
Got to have my bud Yeah yeah, that's but yes,
the sheriff. The Sheriff's making.

Speaker 3 (02:57:03):
Bank manet age as well. This is a great game
two legends. It will never go down or change its
value at all. This is a legendary game.

Speaker 1 (02:57:11):
And again, you were only a few months into this
world when this happened, and I was an eleven year
old kid.

Speaker 3 (02:57:16):
I was like, probably not even four months old yet.

Speaker 1 (02:57:18):
Let's see, this was what this was like October I
think nineteenth, I believe nineteen ninety four. You were born
in what July? Rightly August September, So no, you were
I was three months old, no, not even.

Speaker 3 (02:57:29):
No, because again oh yeah yeah, yah yah yeah right,
even if you're going by the egag, yeah yeah, you're right, right, yeah,
because this is supposed to be again, the World Series
I believe, was supposed to start or come close at
that time and didn't happen, so because the baseball strike.

Speaker 1 (02:57:42):
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football classics, the classics as you've been hearing, or they're
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(02:58:04):
that and make.

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No requests for Monday night football. No, we've already got
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We're going to let you know on that. You'll be
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(02:59:10):
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Speaker 1 (02:59:32):
We're all set with more Monday Night football here, We're
gonna do that. We are going to do, by the way,
we are going to do a Thanksgiving Classic. We're going
to do the nineteen ninety eight game between the Dallas
Cowboys and the Minnesota Vikings as Randy Moss ran roughshod
essentially single handedly over the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (02:59:54):
Here.

Speaker 1 (02:59:55):
That was John Madden was Pat summer All and John
Madden on the Fox broadcast. So Thanksgiving that's when it's
going to launch. Thanksgiving of this year of twenty twenty five,
a special edition of the Playback, that edition of.

Speaker 3 (03:00:09):
Little a little extra Giving Thanksgiving Football for you on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (03:00:12):
That's right. If you want to watch football, you can
do that. If you want to listen to football, you
can do that. But you know what you also do,
you can listen to the playback the special Thanksgiving edition
back in nineteen ninety eight between the Cowboys and the
Vikings Boom reducting. Oh, the traduction was out there for sure.
Have you seen that game or no?

Speaker 3 (03:00:32):
I think I know the one you're talking about, but
I'd have to revisit it.

Speaker 1 (03:00:34):
Okay, I do think I know the one I'm talking about.
That it was again Randy Moss. Yeah, that's all you
got to pretty much, that's all you need to say.
Yeah again rookie year Randy Moss.

Speaker 3 (03:00:42):
Yeah, all you gotta say, the lanky Randy Moss coming
out of Marshall putting the whip into the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (03:00:47):
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