The Playback #27---1995 World Series-Game 1

There was no Fall Classic in 1994 due to the players strike.  You better believe there was a 1995 World Series! Cleveland faces Atlanta in a rematch of the 1948 World Series in Game 1. Jay Dawg and CJ look back on this game from 30 years ago! 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is a production of the Pulse podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In this edition of the Playback, Jade Dog and CJ
look back on Game one of the nineteen ninety five
World Series as the Cleveland Indians faced the Atlanta Braves
on October twenty first, nineteen ninety five, from Atlanta Fulton
County Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Nineteen ninety five World Series. You know how I've ruined this,
folks two reasons because there wasn't one in nineteen ninety four. No,
this guy right here, right next to next to torture
me Cleveland and Atlanta the World Series I think you
would have gotten in ninety four. By the way, I
know the Expos were six and a half games up
on the Atlanta Braves in the division, but I a

(01:18):
potential September swoon might have happened for Montreal. I just
don't I Whenever I see these nineteen ninety four World
Series champ I cringe.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm like, no, no, So.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
How about this siege Al Michaels, Jim Palmer, and Tim McCarver.
So you got l Tim and Jim, or Al Jim
and Tim.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
A slim, Jim Al and Tim ohe.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
And Lofton's already on base.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah wow, yeah, I'm I had the shortstop bobbled it Ullyard, Yeah,
shortstop bobbled it there and we bobbled time. You're not
no chance, Nope.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Jim Palmer Hall of Famer and the late great Tim McCarver,
Hall of famer. And who did Tim McCarver play for
the Cardinals Phillies. He was essentially he was Bob Gibson's backstop.
Oh battery mate, I know. Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Jim Palmer, big Orioles guy.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Greatest, one of the greatest Baltimore Orioles of all time,
still does broadcasting with the Orioles. Al Michaels, this is
his favorite. This is his favorite broadcast tandem right.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Here, Jim, Tim and now like the.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Al Michael said to what is his favorite? There's olmard
Y SkELL for Cleveland, one of the greatest short fielding
shortstops of all time. Uh, al Michaels had said that
that's his favorite ever. You know, he loved John Madden,
don't get me wrong, and he loved you know, Dan
Dierdorf and Frank Gifford. But this was this because these

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guys they became broadcasters in the in the mid to
late eighties, ABC having coverage only because of the baseball strike.
They were supposed to have the nineteen ninety four World Series.
NBC was supposed to have the ninety five World Series,
but the Baseball Network messed it up with a baseball strike.
So they're sharing.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Coverage, which is crazy. That doesn't he.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Would never see that in today? No, No, can you
imagine that in the NBA Finals, Like a few games
are on ABC and then NBC.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Picks up a couple. It's so weird, you'd never see that.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
No.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Greg Maddox, of.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Course, legendary pitcher. Legendary pitcher was not great in the postseason,
by the way, No, but still one of the greatest,
greatest feeling pitchers too. Yeah, of course. I think we've
discussed it in a previous playback. But isn't it something
like seventeen or seventeen or eighteen? Yeah? He I think
he has the most gold gloves. There goes Loften and

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guess what I think? Nope, feld Off of I think
Maddox has the most gold gloves out of anyone in baseball.
I think for a pitcher. Well, I think he has
more than Brooks Robinson. I think Brooks Robinson has like,
what's sixteen gold gloves third base. Yeah, and I think
Maddox has like seventeen technically, but he's a pitcher. Of course,

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he's not fielding as much. It's in the competition isn't
as strong as Rawlings. Hated to give it to Maddocks
really because he wore Wilson. They don't.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
They don't have to unless they absolutely need to. There's
the crime Dog, Fred McGriff I know you love that name. Yeah,
Tampa's own. There's Kenny Lofton, He's going.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's a good matchup. He's going, you should just eat it.
Catcher should have just eaten it.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
There's Charlie O'Brien. What's the point Hobby Lopez was the
primary catcher, though I saw the personal catcher for Maddix
I believe was O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
What was Kenny Lofton's career steals all of fame worthy,
But again, he became a journeyman. So oh, you know
the first team he played for, by the way, the
Houston Astros. He was traded from the Astros to Cleveland.
Kurt Schilling was first team I believe was either Baltimore
or Houston, and they traded him. So so Lofton's already

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on at second base with an out best nickname ready
Carlos one f by Seat two, f by Treasure three
f by Erga. I think you know who came up
with that name and had to be Berman. It sounds
like a schwam.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Carlos Bierga almost ran me over in twenty twenty one
in Cleveland. Really, yes, his Orange Dodge Dart. He was
going way too fast, even though you know I had
the right of way because he was at the Browns
Bears game and I was at the Cleveland Chicago game.
And this was in September of twenty twenty one, so

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I almost got ran.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Oh. Yeah, it looked like he was close. Yeah, I
was close.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I think he beat the tag again, just barely. There's
Mark Lemke who didn't work out in Boston in nineteen
ninety eight.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Lofton. Lofton should have been out there, yep. Woh.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
If he had got him on the rear, he would
have got him. He got him on the.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Leg if where would you guess? Kenny Lofton is for
all time career steals, like for all players is he
in the top ten? No, okay, he's top twenty, top twenty. Okay,
he's fifteenth all time in steels. He has six hundred
and twenty two stolen bags. Okay, it's pretty good for

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a lot of teams. Yeah, the there's only one player
with over a thousands goes and wow, Chipper Jones cannot
believe that call. It looked like he it looked like
he might have gotten the watch.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
You'll watch watch the rep. He's so fast. There's Jim Tomy,
a slim younger, younger, Jim Tomy. Watch short hot.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
By the time, Oh, he pulled back the left hand
there a little nice yep.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
By the time, see his hand was already on the back.
So by the time.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
So the teams that Loten played for Houston, Cleveland, the
White Sox, the Texas Rangers, the San Francisco Giants, the
Pittsburgh Pirates. Am I missing anybody? The Cubs, the Cubs.
He did play for the Cubs. That's right, he did
play for the Yanks. He played for the Dodgers as well.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
The Philly the Phillies yep, the Rangers, yep.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Scores the run Cleveland's already up one to nothing. There's
the Baseball Network logo, the ill fated Baseball Network.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Do you know about the Baseball network? I know of
the MLB network. I know nothing of the Baseball Network,
the baseball am I miss? Did I miss anybody else?
For Lofton?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
For teams or no?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
No? Okay, But that's that's why he's not getting in. Unfortunately,
what just because he's a journeyman. I don't think that
should exclude you.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Funny because Gaylord Perry was a journeyman and a cheater
and he's in.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think being a journeyman should
exclude you and some in some regards, I feel like
being a journeyman almost as.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Like, look at Albert Bell's numbers is impressive and forty
games played. Wow, and he didn't get the al MVP.
That's crazy. Mo Vaughn of your Boston Red Sox got
the al MVP. What was Vaughan's stat Nowhere near that?
Because Bell was not kind to the media.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Three fourteen with fifty home run is crazy. One hundred
and forty games, by the way, that's crazy. Mike Hargrove
managing Cleveland and Bobby Cox managing the Braves, the legendary
Bobby Cox, the Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
We've got Hall of famers here Siege. So we were
talking about there's Tom because you've got Tom Glavin and
Steve Avery.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
They're going to pitch for the Braves.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
This is only Game one, folks of the nineteen ninety
five World Series. The Baseball Strike pretty much said, no,
we're not going to have a We're going to deprive
cj of his first ever World Series belly arts A
busy inning it is, yeah, yeah, So Cleveland leads one
to nothing heading to the bottom of the first inning
at old Fulton County Stadium, a place that no longer exists.

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Look how spacious that ballpark is.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, I know. Some clever base running there from Kenny
Lofton really gave Cleveland a chance to put some runs
up on the board.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oral Hersheizer, who was traded in nineteen ninety four from
the Dodge Jos to Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
So look at this lineup. Chipper Jones Rookie of the
Year in nineteen ninety five, Fred mcgribb, climb Dog Justice, Ryan.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Clesco Justice was the nineteen ninety National League Rookie of
the Year.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
And they're in Baltimore or not. Why Why did I
say Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
As you saw Cal Ripken throw the ceremonial.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well I meant, I'm I meant. They're in Atlanta. They're
playing at the Braves Home Stadium here, so we're going
to get to see Greg Maddock's bat which is also
something that I'm always excited about.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
They made a starting line of action figure of him batting,
by the way, really yeah, because Maddix was actually a
pretty good contact hitter.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Well, that's why that's why I miss.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Marquise Grifsson would be traded for Kenny Lofton in nineteen
ninety seven from Atlanta to Cleveland. That's why I missed
the Lofton play for Atlanta as well.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Sorry, but that's why I missed the pitchers batting is
because I miss certain pictures like Greg Maddox that, like
our decent contact pictures that could like do some damage
at the play at least drive in a run, just
changes up the game. I miss it. This is Atlanta,
this nineties Atlanta team, and this is pre Andrew Jones.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Like right he would arrive one year later, Like.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
They don't even have Andrew Jones yet, Like this This
Braves team is so good.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
This is before Turner Field, this is before Joan the
other Jones.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
What did you say this stadium was.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Called Atlanta Fulton County.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Stadium, Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. It looks huge, It's massive. Yeah, yeah,
the old mudwise. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
For the sponsoring the nineteen ninety six United States Olympic team,
because we're in nineteen ninety five. Yeah, which, of course
the city you're looking at right now would host those
summer games. And Cleveland getting their first World Series since
nineteen fifty four. They hadn't made the postseason since then
because back then only two teams made it to the

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World Series. You didn't have expanded postseason. And even back
then Cleveland was at times not very good, whereas the
Atlanta Braves had changed their fortunes. In the nineties, Ted
Turner opened his wallet Farm System TBS, the superstation, the
cable TV deal.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
They ran, They ran the nineties, it.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Was they did until that team from the Bronx in
the late nineties had other ideas. Steady Eddie Murray at
first base. By the way, Dave Winfield not playing for Cleveland,
he got left off the roster.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
So but he is.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
You'll see You're gonna see him in the dugout. So
Dave Winfield played his end of his career with with
Cleveland Steady Eddie Eddie Murray at first base and Chipper
Jones getting a stand. That was his rookie stats right there.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
His debut in the World Series. Chipper Jones, What a
great batter? Like? What a great baseball player?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Nineteen ninety nine National League MVPE switch hitter. His favorite
place to play? Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Uh no, but I know you've told me Ooh no,
where Shay Stadium?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Really they would call him Larry, Larry his birth name,
and he hit a tape measure shit. So yeah, I
think he named one of his kids Shay. That's funny.
The bulldog oral Herscheizer.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Where did he get the nickname Chipper because I think
it was a chip off the block or something like that.
As a kid and something up in Florida, they just
called him Chipper. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, maybe had a chipper disposition. Maybe his dad was
into wood shipping.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I don't know. Well, you don't want to me put
in a wood ship.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You don't want no, no, no, no, this is not Fargo. Yeah,
which came out in nineteen ninety six. By the way,
it's all about the nineties here, folks. I'm getting a
nineties vibe here. I was twelve years of age rooting
for Cleveland as a punk kid from forty four Downing
Street in conquered New Hampshire. And these two teams met
up in the nineteen forty eight World Series originally when

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they were the Boston Braves.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I don't think Chipper was on the team then.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
No, he was not. None of them were. Well, Bobby
Cox I think was still alive back then. He was there,
but he was alive, but he wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
He was there, but he didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, well they get this in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
It'll be on. I don't know if they'll get it.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Remember, this is ABC having the World Series for the
first time since nineteen eighty nine. CBS had gotten baseball
coverage in nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety two,
and nineteen ninety three. They would share coverage with NBC
in nineteen ninety four with the Baseball Network. So because
of the issues of the baseball strike and the Baseball

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Network had Fox ended up getting baseball in nineteen ninety
six and have had it, you know ever since.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
You know, what's crazy to just think about as we
watch this, the fact that there's no pitch calm, there's
no you know, like it's this is much a much
simpler time in the baseball world. What a snag. And
he's double.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Double play two a double play. Wow, the Venezuelan vacuum.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I wonder what the what the exit Vilo was on
that chipper. Absolutely, yeah, we're gonna see it again. Ready,
Also forgotten Manny was on this team. Manny was not
being Manny back then. No, here we go, and oh,
what a snag. He knew what it's like a magnet,
he knew where it was. I played shortstop for like

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one season when I was like seven, and I I
played against one of my best friends. He was on
like the other like local youth team. He was on
a different team or whatever, and I was talking trash
from shortstop. I was like seven years old, and Eddie.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Murray got a three thousandth heit with the with Cleveland
in Minnesota, by.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
The way, and the umpire like stopped the game. The
umpire behind home plate stopped the game and called me
out and said if I kept talking trash. He was
gonna throw me out of the game. I was like
seven years old, Like, yeah, it's like.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
You're at Kevin Garnett when we do it. Speaking of which,
I think his rookie year was ninety five, ninety six.
Here we see it all.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
It's all nineties. It's all nineties, baby, It's like boomerang.
It's all coming back to you.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Celine Dione, the greatest singer in zy world. It's all
coming back to me. Now, nineteen ninety six, you almost
got there. You go, steady, Eddie. So he got a
Hall of Famer, pitching to another Hall of Famer, and.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Each team with their own great switch hitter.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Got him hit like a dribbler essentially. So Pete O'Brien,
Charlie O'Brien, excuse me, not Pete O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Eddie Murray, I know, see, I know Eddie Murray from
his time with the Orioles.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yes, nineteen eighty three World Series.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
How was his time with that almost was foul? Yep?
How was this time with Cleveland?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, he had he had his moments, but he came
back to Baltimore in ninety six. Tita's five hundredth home
run and another Hall of Famer Jim Tomy at the dish.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Here's a Cleveland legend.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I saw him at two home runs off Haddayo Nomo
at Fenway Park in September of nineteen ninety five, two
thousand and one. Excuse me, September fourth, two thousand and one.
Jim Tomy. If they called him the wade Bogs with
a batting average with a with a whether they called
the wade Bogs in the minor leagues wade Bogs with power.
Of course, he never really became. This is one of

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the few seasons he became a three hundred hitter. He
ended up becoming a two sixty hitter because he was
hitting hitting home runs. Yeah, and he bulked up a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I was gonna say he from what I remember of
Jim Tony's career, he was a power swinger, a big outfielder.
Look at the way he stands over the plate.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yes, like he's probably Yeah, Jim Tomy is my homie.
There's El Presidente, Dennis Martinez, the cat he could run through,
President of Nicker Roguin Win go ahead, the pitcher who was.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
A broken bat, the crime dog. Never mind, I was
gonna say it doesn't seem like Maddox wants to pitch
to Toey. Really they were like pitching him outside. But
then as I said, that got pitched in side. Jimmed up.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
This is before Tomy became like the guy. Yeah, this
is like like ninety seven ninety around that time he
became the hard hat wearing home run hitt and go.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Big guy, the big the guy in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yes, yeah, well they wanted to market towards Manny, but
Manny were mirrors, you know, decided.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
To Manny is Manny. That's the best way to put it.
That's that's one way of put it. As a Red
Sox fan, Manny is Manny, I will say, though, you
know in sports.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
There he is speaking of which look at those numbers, three.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Eight thirty one home runs, one hundred and seven RBIs
I will say, the in sports you have like I
don't want to call it Manny a diva, but like
you have like large personalities. Yeah, it's a good way
to put it. Larger than life. And you know, even

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man he almost even even a foul ball, it was crushed. Yeah,
some people, even sometimes he can put up with the
larger than life personality if they can if they can
back it up.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
He wore out his welcome in Boston with Terry friend Coney,
he wore out as welcome in Boston, so.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, yeah no, and then look at his career after
he left Boston. You know, he couldn't back up the
talk as much anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
That time in l A. Towards the end, well towards
the end of the season, he was fantastic, and then after.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
That it just Yeah, when like his time with Tampa
when he oh, when he tried to, he tried to
like they were they were gonna suspend him, and then
he was like, well, I'm just going to retire, and
they're like, okay, well if you come back, you're still suspended.
And then he was like, uh damn, okay, yeah, let

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me quite while I'm ahead.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Now. Back in nineteen ninety four, during the O. J.
Simpson Chase, right the Cleveland had a player named Chad
oj og E A Many. Ramirez goes to the bathroom,
Chase is going on and they're talking about Oj.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
He goes, what happened to Chad?

Speaker 1 (21:25):
So he thought that Chad oj was being chased chased
even though they're on the same so.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Many being manny correct, it's the best way to put it.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Remember do you remember when he got stopped by the cops.
He had like game checks, like big, like for lots
of compartment.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
He just wasn't like cashing game checks. Oh boy, is
that the crime dog.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
That's the crime dog?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
That wash That one could have had two layovers. That
one was a long distance flight.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Can the Tampa Bay Devil Rays start now? Not nineteen
ninety eight? Can they start now?

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Wow? Well, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
The Devil Rays and the Diamondbacks were named as teams
in nineteen ninety five with the nicknames, but they wouldn't
begin play until nineteen ninety eight because you have to
have the expansion draft in ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
I can I just say, yeah, the atmosphere for this
World Series, for this game, Yeah, the stadium. We need
more stadiums like this.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's funny because Atlanta fans you know this, right, but
as a fan base, the fan base for Atlanta as
a city always gets trashed, always because the nineteen ninety
nine World Series was not a sellout in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
See I feel like this stadium, Yeah, but they what'd
you say Turner Field was after this in ninety six
or not.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, it's like that nice seven ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I feel like either way, yeah, go ahead, I feel like, yeah,
the ninety nine World Series wasn't a sellout, and it's like,
I don't know, we need more stadiums like this, Like
as a younger baseball fan, younger than you anyways, like
you got to see the World Series throughout the nineties
and stuff like that. Yes, tempers are getting heated here

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as David Justice tosses his bat for a second. Anyways,
these stadiums are if in the nineties you watch like
some of these older World Series games like the Blue Jays,
some of the older indoor stadiums, and the way that,
like you said when we turned on this playback, that

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there's more room on the field. It feels like, you
know what I mean, like it's not congested like a
lot of these fields or stadiums that a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Of these ballparks are smaller for a reason because.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
They want the home run, the short porch whatever.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Also, as you said, if the attendance isn't good, they
at least you know, yeah, there's canopy in that record.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
So well.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
The thing is, as you know, Turner Field was was
owned by the city of Atlanta designated for the Olympics. Yes,
so they essentially were given a stadium. Yes, yes, which
makes sense obviously, but I.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Didn't have to build it. I like the way like
these like this stadium, And maybe it's because the way
the world advanced and now people can just have entertainment
at their fingertips all the time or.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, but it's like too many entertainment choices.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
There was less things to do in the nineties, you know,
that was starting to kind of yeah, but you didn't
have a cell phone that was in your hand all
the time, you know what I mean. Like, I don't
think that's a bad thing. People were more interested in
stuff going on. And this stadium looks like a colosseum.
When they do that blimp shot, it looks like a
huge colisseum. And the like the home run that mcgriffid,

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it looked like it soared forever. It looked like it
was going. You know what I mean is the stadium
just has a different vibe than some of these fields today.
Like even watching the All Star Game and watching them
hit on top of the chop house and stuff, it's
not the same as like that home run McGriff hit
just now where it looked like the ball was floating forever.
And the stadium's almost like a perfect circle. There's people

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and every every seat of the house can see the
action almost in the stadium, and it feels like every
seat is sold out. I just wanted to say, the
atmosphere feels amazing here. I wish we had more of
these like Colisseum like stadiums. I think I agree with you.
I think that I don't like how condensed they are
just because they want to cover the fact that this

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was designed for football for the Atlanta Falcons. So see,
and I you know, as a kid, and we've discussed
it before, but as a kid, like I used to
hate watching the football on the baseball field, like you know,
the dirt or whatever. But now I kind of miss it.
And I'm so sick of turf and all the injuries
that that brings. And it's like I'd rather go back

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to grass have like, you know, maybe we need one
baseball field. And then right on the fall field, there
are three ten twenty three home runs sor right, there's
a lot of batters in this World Series. Batten over
three hundred broke his bat.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Or five years later, you remember that happened with Mike
Piazza and Roger Clemens. And Clemens would throw the barrel
of the right at Piazza, saying he thought it.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Was the ball. No, no, when that doesn't even make
why would you throw the ball at him?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Anyways, he had concussed Piazza months before that, right on
the Mets logo helmet.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, seems like they just didn't get along.
It's funny because the men, well, you're gonna watch it.
At some point the two thousand and four Major League
Baseball All Star Game for the National League, Roger Clemens
got to start for his hometown Astros. Guess who his
catcher was. That's funny.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
And by the way, Roger Clemens on one of his
worst starts in the history of So that's funny. I
think I think Piazza calling the game might have had something.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
To do with that.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Maybe I wouldn't put it past them.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, throw it here, many roomiers won't hit them. He
hits it all the way to Arlington.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
He's just looking at the card. It's like, yeah, many
many hates it. Right down the middle, don't throw you
just throw it right there. Many right down the middle.
Many won't touch it.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
You had Alfonso Sriano as a teammate, right, he's not
going to hit that curve balls.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Oh you look at that something, that's a Washington d c.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Alfonso Sorriano hits that ball so hard he split it
into two atoms.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
This one's headed to Jupiter. Tied at one, bottom of
the second inning. Now, MLB Network didn't didn't become something
until two thousand and nine, So now the Baseball Network
had nothing to do with MLB Net because MLB network's
its own channel.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Right, That's what That's what I'm saying. That's all I know.
I didn't know anything about, like the Baseball Network. It
was controversial if you read about it because seasonal regional
regional coverage, like you know, you couldn't really get a
lot of Braves games because they were on TBS. There's

(28:31):
a scale that does it, and that ends the top
of the second, bottom.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Of the second, Atlanta tied at one, heading to the
third inning.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Hersheiser out here pitching a good one so far.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
God Iss ring with the nineteen eighty eight Los Angeles Dodgers.
Well as Sandy Alomar is a catcher, so he's not
gonna He's not gonna be as speedy as Kenny Lofton.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, what do you think of these Cleveland jerseys?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
They always were these all these blue alternate tops. They
always wore them in the World Series, whether it was
ninety five or ninety seven, and it drove me nuts.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Maybe they need to change it up. Maybe, I mean,
I mean, obviously they have different uniforms now correct in
a different name. Yeah, what do you think of the
new uniforms? Do you like the new look?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't like two things. I don't like cursive on
a I don't like. I understand it's tradition, but no,
just there's so much.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I like the new see that the Cleveland team uses.
Not not that one on your hat, Ja dog has
a hat here, Not the one on your hat, but
like the one that's like, uh, maybe if I can
find it, it's like this almost yeah, Like what are
you talking about? Like it looks like that almost Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
You're talking about the seventies.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
They it's like an alternate that they use or something.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
They don't use that as an alternate.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
I've seen they don't. They still wear those.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
They have warned those since the seventies.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Man hold on, let me look up some unies here.
You're talking like the Dennis Eckersley Rick Manning days. Yeah,
but I thought they still wore those as like an alternate.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
No Earl Hrscheizer, the Bulldog.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I wanted to mention. I forgot yea Earl Hrscheizer, Arl Hirscheiser.
His brother was my one of my professors at school
when I went to college.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
What was his name, Gordy?

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Gordy.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Thank you, we're going to be seeing Gordion not this
what broadcast but a future one in the world series.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Oh really, yes, interesting Gordy. Yeah, he's a sportscaster, is
why I got to study under him, and he was
honestly one of my favorite teachers I had, like the
entire time I was going to college. He was probably
like top three professors I studied under, just because he

(31:13):
was pretty harsh. But in a media like field or
media industry, you want that harsh. He's not like harsh
in a mean way, but like very good at giving.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
You Like he's essentially the boxing referee. He's fair, but
he's firm.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Right, very good at giving you corrective criticism. I still
got to like. I graduated with a three point nine
to four GPA. I had a good grade in his class.
He you know, didn't fail me or anything, but made
me work a little harder. Is that Jeff fox.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Because the Jeff Foxworthy Show was premiering on ABC. What
in the world is showing self promotion?

Speaker 3 (31:54):
And then we got is that who is that?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
That's Jim Kelly.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
For some reason, I thought that was John and I
was looking and I was like, it doesn't say Broncos
anywhere here, Jim Kelly. Wow, I told you about this game.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Remember on the previous playback, I said one of the
it was the first time the Patriots had hosted Monday
night football and a long time.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
So yeah, it's it.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Buddy Bell. That is Buddy Bell, There's Mike Hargrove, Buddy Bell.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
The the amount of just talent and I don't even
know what to the amount.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Of just like the human reiin delay Mike Hargrove.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I guess talent is the word I'm looking for. But
just between both of these organizations, like the list of
people that are in both dugouts is just incredible. Wow. Hersheiser,
I never got to see him pitch like growing up,
and I've heard how like great of a pitcher he

(32:58):
was in the eighties. Yeah, well that's what I hear,
because I obviously it's ninety five here. You know, I
was born, but I wasn't watching this.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
You were alive, but you know, yeah he was, it
was on.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
I wasn't getting it.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Oh boy. But you know where the Hirscheizers are from, right?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Are there? It's not New England, is it. No, they're
from California. No where, Buffalo, New York. Really Yeah, at
least oral Herscheizer was born. I know that Gordy did
a lot of sports casting in New England. Yeah, used
to work up in Maine or for the University of
Maine or something like that, and then did some stuff

(33:42):
in Massachusetts too.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
And there he is, Gregory Allen Maddox.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'd love to see him just crush one here. Not
that I want to see that's not going to happen.
Not that I want to see Cleveland. That's not going
to happen. One fifty three not that bad for a picture.
So the Braves have two patches on in this world series.
What are they wearing?

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Thirty years as a franchise, Well, thirty years in Atlanta,
thirty seasons in Atlanta, right, because they moved there, and
I think nineteen sixty six, right, so thirty seasons and
the nineteen ninety five World Series patch, which, by the way,
if you look really close, it says welcome to the show. Really,
it was the first time ever they had other writing that,
you know, a slogan other than like World Series, nineteen.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Ninety five World Series and that's it. No, it would
say welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
So so I think they were just trying to they
were trying to hone in on Dan Patrick and Keith Olberman,
Welcome to the Big Show on sports Center. That's funny,
back when sports Center was relevant. Game one, nineteen ninety
five World Series, the first time Cleveland was in the
World Series since nineteen fifty four, first time Atlanta was

(34:52):
in the World Series since nineteen ninety two. Jim Tomy
was moved from third base to first base to accommodate
Matt Williams being there.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
So probably a good move, not that Tommy's an incredible
fielder or something, but also he obviously is gonna bulk up,
as we discussed earlier in First Base Big Sluggers. Yeah,
first base is probably a better spot for the.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
First base and if injured d H Yeah, hersh Eizer.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I think pitching a great game out here, other than
that bomb he gave up to McGriff four fifteen.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Grissom's mat r Keith Grissom in the postseason four fifteen.
That ABC logo, when's the last time you saw EBC
and baseball like this in the World Series?

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Been a while? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, you haven't. This is how what you're seeing right now.
Because you got Al Michaels, Jim Palmer and Tim McCarver.
Or if you want to do Al Michaels, Tim McCarver
and Jim Palmer, you have Al Tim and Jim, or
Al Jim.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
And Tim are Jim Jim Tim. Al Al's the first
because he's played by play. Okay, so right, because it
was Al Frank and Dan right for Monday Night Football,
and then you had what Al Al Dan and Dennis
and then Alan John and then Alan Chris Chris Collinsworth.

(36:27):
Of course, yes, not one of your favorites, is he? No?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
This guy.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Laurelersizer he throwing baseball. I mean, I'm seeing baseball's meets
their own.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
This was Tony Romo meets Chris Collinsworth.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Or Tommy Chong Orerseuser. He can throw baseball, but he's
no Patrick Maroons. You know.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes was pitching in the
majors back then at Pat Mahomes at this time of
the nineties. Themes with at the time ninety five, either
the Twins of the Mets, maybe the Rangers. Again, this
is pre interleague. The only time you had interleague was
spring training, the All Star Game, and the World Series.

(37:16):
So you didn't You didn't have that luxury of interleague
all the time where all the teams play each other.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
You didn't have that.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
So the Bulldog girl Hersheze, he's out so three in
the books, it's all tied up at one one one
top of the fourth inning. Here in the playback the
nineteen ninety five World Series, Jaye Dog big Cleveland die

(37:47):
hard and CJ not a Cleveland die hard and wants
to see the Atlanta Braves win a World Series. So
you know what, Pal, you gotta wait for that to happen.
Nineteen ninety five was not a good year for me.
I'll tell you why why. It all started pretty much
after I had graduated from Rumford Elementary School, which I loved.

(38:09):
I loved elementary school, loved it, you know, the same.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Got to go outside and play, you know, I got
to play kickball, you know, got to go outside and
have fun.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
You know, recess. Recess was a lot of fun, you know.
And I was really starting to get into sports in
nineteen ninety three when I was ten, you know, got
into football and the other sports as well, and getting
into that new kind of thing with middle school. Middle
school was not was not working for me. I got
a root I had to get a root canal.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, O J.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Simpson thing was going on. Yeah, Kimberly the Pink Power
Ranger left Mighty morphin Power Rangers Rugged nineteen.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I cried too when that happened.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
So it's like that meme when it's like, I don't
know if you see it, the ones that are like
when they ask if everything's okay, you just have to
lie and say everything's fine when it's not, Like, I'll
have to show you the memes. It's like a sad filter.
It's like a TikTok thing.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Is it this where it's the same two people, ones
on the bus looking sad and yeah, the other ones. Yeah, yeah,
kind of looking. Yeah, this one's okay, this one is
not or is it the the dog that has the
coffee and the house is on fire?

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Everything is fine, everything.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Maddox again, gold glover you know.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, what did we say earlier? I need to look
it up. I think most gold because.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Jim Cott, I think, had the record for most gold
gloves by a picture until Greg Maddocks surpassed him. You know,
kitty caught as they called Jim Cott the Hall of
Famer Jim Cot by the way, let me.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
See, Greg Maddox has eighteen. Jim Cott had sixteen. Brooks
Robinson has sixteen. So yeah, gloves and history of gold
gloves is Greg Maddox. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's funny because Greg Maddocks as a picture and you
know this did not throw overpowering stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
No. He was more of a bending, like breaking ball
kind of picture.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Location location location.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
He would paint the corners essentially. He had five career
home runs. Is that postseason Rodgers all together? It's probably
all together, right, I think it was all together. Yeah,
I don't think he hit a home run the postseason.
Where's his batting? His playoff batting? He had no, no, no,

(40:52):
hold on, where's his batting? Come on, I don't see it.
What his postseason bad? Yeah, I don't think he did.

(41:18):
McGriff what a name, the crime Crime Dog? Yeah, what
a name? I mean, eighteen gold gloves. What an absolute,
like you're doing something right, what an absolute career? Four
time cy Young, eighteen time Gold Glove, eight time All Star,

(41:42):
four time eer A title winner. I mean, one of
the greatest pictures. And then on top of that, they
had Tom Glavin too. Yeah, he was no slouch. No,
It's like they had Tom Glavin and Greg Maddox at
the same time.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
John Smoltz and Steve Avery.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Smolts I forgot about that, and.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Steve Avery and Pete Smith.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Oh my gosh, Smoltz was Smolts, Glavin and Maddox are
almost three Hall of Fame careers right there. I mean, yeah,
like Smolts, his career was a little he winded down
at the end. When he did he went from starting
pitcher to like relief pitcher, closer or whatever. He did that.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
He did that to build his arm back up, which
he did right, became the closer for a few years
in Atlanta. To build his arm back up. Which he
did came back as a starter.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, but I he just didn't. He wasn't as good
as Glavin and Maddox and that like starting pitchers.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
When when he left Atlanta he goes to Boston, that
definitely doesn't work out.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah exactly. Well that's what That's what I always are thinking.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Okay, he goes to Saint Louis, they make the post season,
he is no good in it, and that's it for him.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah exactly, So that's what I'm saying, Like it kind
of felt like after he left Atlanta, it was he
wasn't the same guy anymore. But I mean he didn't
have to be in Atlanta. They were dominant and they
had again Maddox, Glavin, he didn't even have to be
that good in Atlanta and he still was great. It
just sucked that again, the end of his career kind

(43:20):
of flamed out, so did Maddox. Yeah, and it happens, Yeah,
it happens everywhere, not all, not all.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yes, special thanks to Luigi Aguilera YouTube channel for this
first game of the nineteen ninety five World Series. We
got five more to go, because this guy right here,
he loves the he loves the the he loves torture.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
What did you say the other day? Loves to stick
the knife in it toisted that's right, and then he
looks the knife butt though no more. I'm uh yeah,
I'm excited. This is going to be a good series.
We've got postseason baseball going on, so.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I were doing it. We're in we're in World series mode,
and you know, we're, as I said, world series mode
and watching baseball on ABC because this year was the
looks like the final the year for it, when the
Cubs took on the San Diego Padres in the America
and the National League Wildcard Round, which is funny because
the last time those two teams had taken on each

(44:26):
other was the nineteen eighty four National League Championship Series,
which was also on ABC. Interesting all the parallels.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Right, Yes, it is crazy how everything just rolls right
back to the nineties. Somehow that was it. Well, the
NLCS eighty four was Cubs and I know, but I'm
just saying, like we're talking nineties, it's ABC and somehow
ABC Baseball, It's all connected.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Twenty Baseball wasn't on. This was the last year ABC
would have baseball until twenty twenty. Only because only because
ESPN had a log jam of games and they couldn't
put it on like ESPN U. You know that wouldn't
make any sense putting it on ESPN News. You wouldn't
get a big audience that way.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, ESPN News never I feel like had anyone tuning
into it. I for sure wasn't. The only time I
tuned into like ESPN News was when Sports Center was
over on ESPN News because there's a game on ESPN. Yeah,
I'm probably watching whatever games on ESPN over watching Sports
Center at the time anyways, because I can catch Sports

(45:30):
Center whatever. You got Sports Central on your phone now exactly?
You know, no, you don't need it anymore. Nah, I
am the sc one one.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
This is what it's all about, you know not. You know,
thirteen to nothing? Now, when does that ever happen? To
the World Series? By the way, thirteen to nothing? Very rarely,
if not ever.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah, that is one thing that is nice about baseball
is like you don't really ever see a blowout in
these high stakes games like the World Series or even
and even when you think of just regular playoff series,
you know, you think of I think of like the

(46:21):
Red Sox and O four. Even when there is a blowout,
like the Yankees blew out the Red Sox. Red Sox
did it the next day too, right back to them.
It's like, even when you see a blowout in in baseball,
oftentimes the team that flounders the night before comes bounces
back twice as strong the next day. Almost. It's Baseball

(46:44):
has a funny way of having its ebbs and flows,
and you see the true team who should win usually wins.
You know, ball, the ball don't lie, as they say,
especially in baseball. It feels like baseball, don't you see
some You see the true team that should win and
win ninety percent of the time. I'll say there are
there are probably some teams that have one that probably

(47:07):
weren't as good as the other team. I'm a big
nat I'm a big Natties guy, Like I love the
Red Sox, I'm a Red Sox guy. But my favorite
NL team is the Nats and.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
The twenty nineteen World Series trip.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I don't know if yeah, I don't know if necessarily
they were better than those Astros that they beat, but
they ended up winning the.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Most bizarre World Series of all time.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
It was very strange. I don't know how the Nationals
even made it there like it like if you look back,
if you look at where the Nationals are now, the
Mighty have fallowen. Yeah, and they weren't that crazy before
that either. They had good years, but they were well.
But they had just given up Harper.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Bryce Harper had left as a free agent right to
go to the rival Philadelphia Phillies. Right son Soto was
about to leave right, or at least betrayed it. He
wouldn't leave right in the sense of I'm add here
it would be well.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, they were, they were selling they the other I
think not to.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
He wanted a half a million, half a billion dollar
contract in Washington.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
He wasn't gonna get no. And I not to talk
about the Nats World Series too much, but we are
talking World Series. I think a big reason why that
Nationals team ended up selling was like that was almost
like Ryan Zimmerman's last hurrah. Not that he was the
focal point of the team, but he was, like, yeah

(48:29):
he was. He was one of the one of the
first players. He was drafted by the Nationals, I believe, right,
like the first player. And uh so when he retired,
it was almost like now's a good time to sell,
Like they got rid of Trey Turner, they got rid
of well, they knew they would get a lot in return, exactly.

(48:52):
I think they realized it, now's a good time to flip.
It's not going to be one of these was just
gonna be ready. These guys for the sake of no no,
no no's they had, they had good talent, and they
wanted to, you know, get their value for it. Like
they didn't want to let Wan Soto go.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
If he well, if he wasn't going to sign, if
he wasn't going to sign what we wanted him to sign,
which was four hundred million dollars, then we need to
get something for him. We need to get something in
return for him. That's why he got traded to the
San Diego Padre.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Right not let him walk, essentially, And I think that
if you look at a lot of what the Nationals
have done, you know, moving forward, they look like they
have the one of the best like youth or youthful
teams or farm systems you know, recently, there's a reason
for that. Like some of the young talent they have

(49:42):
is incredible. They got Dylan Cruz out there, Jimmy Wood
is probably James Woods is so good, what is going
to be the Rookie of the year. He is so good.
I really like him. I think also they have C. J. Abrams.
That's the big piece they got in that Wan Soto trade.
And people don't, you know, give Abrams enough credit for

(50:03):
the talent that he brings to that team. I think
the problem with Washington though, is they they lost I'm
mispronounce his name, I always do. They lost shres Her,
you got it, they lost They lost Strasburg.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
We retired, I know, but that you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Like, I think that's where they are lacking now, is
they don't have the pitching to back up the talent
they have in the field, because they have some good
batters they have uh if I correct me if I'm wrong,
they have you know, Paul Deyong. I think still they
have uh C. J. Abrams, Like I said, James Woods,
Dylan Cruz, Like, They've got some decent talent out there.

(50:41):
Keibert Ruiz, their catcher is a pretty good catcher. They
just the only pitcher they have is Mackenzie Gore. They
have no one else they had that they who is
the guy they had? He was an All Star last year,
wasn't Pat Corbyn? Right? No, no, no, no, no, Pat
Corbyn is the garbage And well you actually Pat Corbyn
had a good year this year. I think with the Rangers,

(51:05):
I could be wrong, but I think you staw a
losing record, did he? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. No,
they had a young guy who was the All Star
last year in twenty twenty four. Right, yeah, I'm looking
it up.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
The picture for the Nationals in twenty twenty four. You
said he was an All stair so a starter, right,
not a reliever?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, starting pitcher. I don't know if he was. Hold on,
where is it? National League.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Sandy Alomar Junior coming to the plate one of the
more clutch home runs in League Division Series history in
nineteen ninety seven over the at the time. Maybe reigning
defending a disputed World Series champ, New York, Yank You
maybe it was two years ago, okay, so twenty twenty three. Yeah,
I'm looking I'm looking back. Josiah Gray is who I'm

(52:07):
thinking of.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
It was two years ago, okay, so twenty twenty three. Yeah,
Josiah Gray was good. I don't know if they still
have him but he didn't really If they did have
him this year, he didn't really perform. The only picture
they really had was Mackenzie Gore.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
World Series nineteen ninety five. This is you know, Al Michaels,
Jim al Michael's, Jim Palmer, Tim McCarver, and uh one one.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
See, so we got a tight one here. Yeah, I know,
Like I said, exciting ball is always the thing we want,
we want, you know, would the aliens be impressed with
this game? If I was showing someone from out of
this world? Would they be impressed? Scenario and snail By,
They'd be scared. Eddie Murray, steady, Eddie one of the

(53:03):
better talents here, I feel, and is Eddie Murray Hall
of Famer. Yes, he's part of the five hundred home
run three thousand night club, one of the I saw
him in the Hall of Fame. One of the better
bats here. But he actually has one of the worst.
Oh I was about say worst averages. I think he's
about in like two thirty nine. Again, he's at the
end of his career. Yeah, so just shows that's again

(53:28):
how much talent is on both these teams. Eddie Murray's
your worst hitter. It's like I'll take that all day,
or Candy Elmer Junior. Yeah, man, look at the crowd,
the camera shots here, the I love this stadium not

(53:48):
in existence anymore, I know. Yeah, I love the look
of this though.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I love the Falcons would go to the Georgia Dome
and the Braves would leave this for Turner Field.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
So when they played football, right, yeah, would they I
just don't understand the dimensions because it's almost like a circle, right, like, yeah,
this is the stadium they're in when they played football,
would they play like that? Yes, like they would play

(54:18):
like just so all the people in these seats are
just like way out there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
If you look at pictures back in like nineteen ninety
or ninety one, w Deon Sanders was playing for the
Falcons at the time, because those were the final two
years of the of playing there before they had they
moved into the Georgia Dome in nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
It's like, that's the only thing that sucks about having
a football stadium and a baseball stadium shared is like
the seating is never going to be personal different sports.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yeah, so you're not going to get the same dimensions obviously.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
No, but now that and that kind of goes into
what I was saying though about, like the way baseball
stadiums are built now, and tell me puts one opposite
field for his first hit of the World Series. He's

(55:14):
a board there, he said. They just said it. Maddox nose,
Glavin nose, small nose. Literally three of the three of
the greatest pictures of all time happened to be on
the same team at once. It's just crazy, Like I
just can't get over that. When the Red Sox won

(55:35):
the World Series in eighteen, yeah twy, he means, yeah,
And he wasn't alive in nineteen eighteen. You, okay, I
mean my beard. Maybe I have I have really good
dying stuff to dye my beard.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
So you were you know, you weren't alive, but you
were there. Yeah, it was on, he was It was on,
but he didn't get it. Twenty eighteen Red Sox, right.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Yeah, Like their pitching staff was not awful. They had
Chris Saale, who was obviously a big part of the
reason of the Red Sox winning the World Series that year.
But you know, one of our our like number two
pitcher was David Price. Their number two pitches Yeah, David Price,

(56:24):
a little little uh, a free tip, you know, free this.
You can take this one to the bank. David Price
isn't making the Hall of Fame. He's not going to
make the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
He was on the he was on the path. He
was on the path, and then did all it all
fell apart in Boston for him.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, he had a great postseason run in eighteen. That
was Honestly, I have a David Price jersey. I thought
he should have been. I thought he should have been
the World Series MVP over Steve Peers, just because I
thought his performance throughout out the playoffs in total work.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Now, if this was hockey, Price would have gotten because
they judge you from the first game of the Stanley
Cup Finals all the way to the potential last clinching
game of the Stanley Cup Final. Doesn't work that way
in baseball. You get a small sample of it. And
Manny Ramirez strikes out looking not swinging.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Mad dog strikes again. What a nasty pitch paint of
the corner? Yeah, break on that. What's Manny's supposed to do? Oh?
I mean that was kind of a bad call.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
But ABS would have fixed that, right.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, But also, I mean also, if the UMP's calling
that all game, like, you gotta know as a hitter
like you gotta make the adjust Yeah yeah, yeah, like
you know he's gonna call that a strike. You gotta
stand a little more over the plate, reach out a
little further something. Maddex looks good. Still want one cruising

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through this. Justice Klusco and O'Brien do up for the Bravos.
The I had lost my train of thought. I got Maddox.
What were we talking about, Maddox in terms of the abs,
you know the yeah, but I'm before that, I was

(58:22):
saying something else. But yeah, the framing the like I
I A B S is nice, But you know if
the it's more about the umpire being consistent. That's not
what I was talking about. But just to get back
on topic of something, the the A B S is nice.

(58:43):
I like consistency. I know you're all about consistency, but
I like the authent what's the word I'm looking for?
Like authentic feel authenticity of like having an umpire a
human error.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I don't want them making errors. I want them to
get it right. That's what I want. Same with officiating,
I do I want it. I want it corrected. I
do not want I do not want them making mistakes.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
This is if this is the batter's box. My phone
is the batter's box, right, yep. And it's the same size,
Like I can't change the size of this phone, right,
But if I move it from here, if I move
it from here and I move it to here, m hm,

(59:28):
that's still the same size strike box. But it's just
over you know what I mean. That's what I'm saying,
Like I'm not worried about that. If the umpire's calling
a good game and he's got like a consistent striking.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Box, inconsistent and glaringly obvious, yes that's a problem. Also
or you know, like you know, a safe or out call.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
That's well yes, yes, yes, okay, I want I don't
I want corrections on those because it's like, if he's out,
he's out, just make the right call. But I'm saying
with like umpires behind the plate calling game with like
their their strike zone. I don't mind that. It's part
of baseball. That's why the umpires are there. They call

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the game. I think that having a batter's box, as
long as they're consistent, like you said, like it once
you become inconsistent or if you're just calling stuff that's
way blatantly like wrong, then you know, that's when it
becomes a problem. But yes, I think having umpires create

(01:00:28):
the strake, like I don't need like an electric strike
zone where it has to be directly over the plate
like or whatever. Like. I like having that almost slight
human error or the human part of it where it's
like the umpire's calling the game, he's calling the strike zone,
the pitcher's working with that, the batter's working with it,
everyone understands it. So it's like a fair game. Still

(01:00:51):
it's not. It's not where one side's getting favored. If
that happens, that's where the problem comes in. On the take.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Yeah, we don't want to go there. Anyone who that
was coverage of the nineteen nineteen World Series between the
White Sox and the Reds, please, by all means send
it to us.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Yeah, we're gonna have to get a time machine and
go back for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Speaking of which, if you remember in Back to the
Future where Doc Emmitt Brown says, you know, traveling from
nineteen eighty five, he wants to see what did he
say the next twenty or thirty World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Do you remember that line? Maybe I kind of remember it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Okay, well, you're gonna be disappointed. In nineteen ninety four
Doc You're Gonna be Disappointed. Also, there was a there
was a movie called a Civil Action.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Do you know what that's about?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
No, if you remember back in the I think it
was the eighties, seventies into the eighties, there was a Wooburn,
Massachusetts drinking water scandal essentially where the cat there was
a chemical plant that was essentially putting poison.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Into the water or putting chemical chemicals, whether it was
not intentionally trying to poison people, but just liuting non correct,
non edible.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
As tompounds essentially in the water. Yeah, poisoning the well
essentially in Wooburn, Massachusetts, and it was essentially giving people cancer,
killing them. Right, So they made a movie about it, right,
What was it? Called a Civil Action? Tony Shelloeub is
in the movie, John Travolta is in the movie. Howie
Carr is in the movie. Yes, so, Robert Duval, John

(01:02:39):
Lithgower in the movie. John Lithgow plays the judge.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
John Lithgow's in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
He plays the judge. Okay, Robert Duval because it takes
place in the greater Boston area. Right, John Lithgow, this
was in nineteen, I think eighty six, and you know
what was going on in nineteen eighty six with the
Red Sox. Correct the movie?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Are the movie? Well, the movie came out in nineteen
ninety eight. Yes, but it takes place in ninety six. No, no,
in the mid eighties, I said, nineteen eighty six. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
So John Lithgow, this is during trial, asks asks Robert
Duval how he's doing, and he goes, I'm doing fine, Judge.
Roger Clemens is the answer to my pitching prayers. Now,
I watched that movie in health class in nineteen ninety nine, right,
and I said this out loud, lights are off, curtains

(01:03:35):
are clo right, we're watching the movie. He says that
line again. We were watching this movie in nineteen ninety nine,
as Clusco CA's I said, boy, are you gonna be disappointed?
And then I got ready. I had three people who
were diehard Boston red Sott give me the dirtiest of looks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
They were all guys. But yeah, that's so good. Because
of course, nineteen eighty six yes, not a not a
good time for Red Sox fans.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I know people for some bizarre reason, can you explain
this to me, some bizarre reason that still hate the
Mets for that? What have the Mets done since? And nothing? Okay,
what have the Red Sox done?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Did the Mets win one World Series? Did they have?
They made a World series? Since? They made?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
They made two World Series since? They lost in two
thousand to the Yankees and twenty fifteen to the Royals. Yeah,
they had both in five games, by the way, so
not even close.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Was the was David right on that twenty fifteen team?
The twenty fifteen team was David was Dave right? Yeah? Yeah,
And they had like Jose Reyis and no, that was
this was ten years ago. You want me to go back,
This was here you This was Maddy Harvey, right, you
start looking up, start giving me names. I'm gonna I'm

(01:04:56):
gonna look up the twenty fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
World Series Mets, right, yeah, Maddy Harvey right, the Dark
Knight they had Thor they had and Thor on that deal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Yeah they had Again, this was the the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Pitching rich New York Mets, who were who were more
pitching rich than the Harvey. Yeah, Matt the Dark Knight.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
They had one of my favorite pictures. They had bar
Big Sexy. Yeah. They had Bartolo cologne. They had uh
center Guard. They had Steven Mattz. They had New York Mets. Yeah,
I'm trying to see like some other names that are
like big name players here for pictures. They had a
Flaherty uh hanz el Roblaze they got for hitters. They

(01:05:48):
had right on for hitters. Yeah. Uh, this is in
order of their jersey number. Not they had or actually
this might be their starting starting eight. They had Kevin
PLAWICKI name I haven't heard a little. There's a blast
of the past. Lucas Dudah, Yeah, I've never heard that

(01:06:09):
guy's name before. I dud They had Daniel Murphy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Oh yeah, Danny boy was the He was really good.
He was raking it in the the NLCS against the Cubs.
He I've got a contract because of that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
When I went to the Nats stadium one time I
went to the Nats game, I got a Daniel Murphy
like T shirt jersey for like because he was trying
on the Nation. I went big Danny Murphy fans.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Oh, Brian Whiffs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
They had Wilmer Flores was there starting short stop. They
had Eric Campbell, Michael Cuttery.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Was Kadier on that team? Yeah, he was on that team.
That's a Conforto I think was on that team too.
I'm pretty sure Mike Confordo was on on that he was. Okay,
I remember that's twenty fifteen squad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Juan Juan Lagerizagarez. Curtis Granderson was on that team. He was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
That's right, the Grandee Man ain't life Granderson.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
They had Travis Darnaud, Jonas Cespatis Davids.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
That's right, Yeah, it was on that team, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah, okay, right, right, that's really it. The rest of
the names are kind of really low, no name players.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
I had them winning that World Series too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Against the Royals. That Royals team was good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Well, remember the Royals had lost the World Series the
year before that in seven games to the Giants with
mad Bomb if you remember that game seven in Kansas City,
by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, but they still had they had an impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
They had Osmer, they had Alex Gordon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
They had they had Salve at the time, they had Salere,
they had they had they had the Greek Freak. They
had Mike Mustakis, the Moose, the Moose. They had Alex Gordon.
You said, Lorenzo Kine they did have they had Locane Yep,
they had Uh, Johnny Gomes was on that team.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yep, he was, No Johnny come lately. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Their bench was pretty thin. It was really no. I
was really the starters. And then for pitching they had.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Some Chris Young ro they had some nobody and Chris Young. Right,
I'm pretty sure Chris Young was on that two thousand Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
They had Edison Volcaz Adventura. They had Jeremy Gouthiery.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
No, Jeremy Guthrie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Guthrie, thank you, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
The nickname was going Green because he used to bike
to the ballpark.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Really, they had Franklin Morales, excuse me, Maris Medlin, Kelvin Herrera,
Kelvin Kelvin Herrera. It's some all right team that Mets
team should have won. That Mets team should have won.
I told you, I told you YEA.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
By the way, funny story about that, right, As you know,
around the parts, we like to have our awards ceremonies
the granite mics, right, I came to that ceremony or that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
That that what do you call it that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Uh that that shin dig wearing a Mets tie like
colored orange blue. I looked like a billion dollars man
ten years ago three again. Had the had the dress shirt,
had this, had the sport coat, had the slacks, had
the shoes, had this like orange Mets bluish kind of tie?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I looked. I looked. I look great. I'm a big
got them. I'm a big bow tie guy. When I
when I when I dress up, I'm a big bow
tie guy. I usually like to wear a bow tie
to events.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
You know it likes bow ties. Serial killers. No, I'm
just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. That was
a nice play by uh Carlos by Erga.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
What you big? If j Dog goes missing, I was
wearing a bow tie. Nice snag.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
If if Jane Dowk is missing, we both find him.
Lexus diamond Dust, you're ever gonna have that as a
trivia question?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Casey Stengele won more World Series games than any other manager.
He had thirty seven World Series games wins. That's crazy. Well,
you only played in the World Series back then, those
you know, for the Yankees. So yeah, man, that's stupid.
That's not crazy. That statistics. To me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
This is why whenever somebody, you know, lodds about the
Yankees World Series titles, half of them it was just
two teams that played in the World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
It's not that impressive. It's just literally, you only played
one team.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah, give me from the when baseball started or the
World Series nineteen oh three. Give me a while card
format then, and then we'll see how many World Series
they won back then, because if that was the case,
you know, many World Series the Yankees would have as
collectively as a franchise, like five. I was gonna say,

(01:11:11):
they're probably like maybe seven.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, if that not thirty, twenty some odd whatever whatever,
twenty seven time champ, Yeah right, not those in half.
All those people that say that too, Yeah, how many
of those were you alive for? He who said how
many did you get to witness?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Maybe three?

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, exactly twenty nine? Word seat get that out of Yeah,
who cares? Were you there for the first one? That
was a parallel universe at this point, that was so
long ago that dinosaurs were closer to the Yankees first world.
So we're shaving with sandpaper, sandpaper, Okay, all right, shut up, people,

(01:11:54):
wore suits to the games back then, just to tell
you the difference in time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Which I'm okay with that. I'd rather see them wear.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Suits then some of the stuff they wear now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Well, you know it depends. Well, women didn't wear suits
to the Act, you know they did. Actually, no spring
dresses and the like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
No like this, see a jade Dogg's a a dapper
fan wants to have everyone all dressed to the nines.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
No what I I want them wearing jerseys that are
customed with their their own name on the back of them,
not somebody else's. I'm sorry, your last name's not Ramirez?

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Probably not? What a what is Mark Lemkey? What a pick?
So you had?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
There is billionaire Ted and there's Jane Jane Fonda. You
want me to my Ted Turner. We're gonna pull out
all the stalps, Come buy the Braves, gome buy the
Hawks if we buy a hockey team, and I'll call
the Tycoons. You know where Ted Turner is from.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
It's not Atlanta, isn't he remember we have talked about
this before. I don't remember though, where it's from. No,
where from? Yeah, excuse me, he's from Cincinnati. Original, that's right. Yes, yes,
because wasn't he like trying to buy the Browns or
like buy an organization like the Was he trying to
buy Cleveland? No?

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
No, that was George Steinbrenner, who was Yes, Steinbrenner was
from Cleveland and wanted to buy the team from Vernon Stofer. Yes,
who said we're not for sale. And guess what those
were the stupidest words I had ever heard of somebody's mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Imagine if Steinbrenner had run the the for Cleveland, Yeah,
run the Cleveland organization might have been a little different, Yes,
it would have. Yeah, but I also don't know it.
You never know what I've hated them as much though
the Yankees Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
If let's say Cleveland becomes the Yankees, they become the
most hated team in baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Yeah, but you would have been a fan, Dude, I
don't know about that. Is that what drove you away
from the Yankees in the first place is well, I
was never a Yankees got Well that's what Yeah, but
that's what I'm saying, Like, you've always been a Cleveland guy, right, yes,
So it's like you would have still been a Cleveland
guy if.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
You no the reason why, Well, I stumbled on to
Cleveland because they had these emerging superstars like the Young
the Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I thought your family members were like Cleveland fans, Like,
didn't you have a family member that was a Cleveland fan.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Mama Joe's Cincinnati Reds Minnesota Twins. Yes, the Reds and Twins. Yes,
between their head will explode if those two ever meet
in the World Series. By the way, good early nineties
for Mama Joe. Nineteen ninety Cincinnati Reds World Series champs,
following year nineteen ninety one Minnesota Twins World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Convenient. That's very wish I had that happen to me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Does that mean the Blues have to win the Stanley
Cup one year and then the Blue Jackets.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Have to win it the next Yeah, pretty much. There
is John McGraw quick draw McGraw New York Giants by
the way, Yes, I hate that they were the New
York Giants. It's so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Well, there wasn't any New York Giants other than those
guys at the time. I like filled the football, filled
the void. I know that was New England's first team.
By the way, did you know that what the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
New York Giants Yeah, but that's not New England.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
No New England. There was no regional team in the
NFL at the time before nineteen sixties AFL Boston Patriots. Right,
so New England rooted for one team only at the time,
the New York the New York Giants in football.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
That makes sense why we have so many New York fans.
I mean New York and Boston are geographically right next
to each other. Yeah, Murray made that catch, right, Yeah,
that was incredible. Look at the foul territory. This is
Oakland A's back when they played missed it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
He did miss it? Okay, Steady Eddie, They.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Said, what sixteen years ago, he probably would have got
that ball. Jim Palmer was a teammate of Steady, Yeah,
when they both played for the O's. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
You know what they call the Orioles when they're no good, right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
The Orioles the oh's, uh ohs, the ohs is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I didn't come up with that, so I'm not that creative.
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Duval is a lot
more creative. I didn't come up with that either, as
we alluded to. Yes, so creepy uh Mrquise Grissom at

(01:16:52):
the dish. Hershei's are still out there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Six innings, no harm, no foul. That's my that's an issue.
You make an error like that or you miss it,
it could cost you. Yeah, so they could launch it.
Look at this shot. That's the shot I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
It can filt the entire World series logo and the
logo Texico Mexico.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
That's crazy. There's some magam HB. I've never heard of tagament.
The HB stands for heartburn. Now for heartburn. That's what
it said on the screen. Boom h Then you got
Jacobin HB and then Tougher acting in director. Then boom,
you got no more heartburd no more heartburd no more
fire on your feet. The fires are extinguished. You know

(01:17:36):
who did that? Brett farre Brett far See here we
got a circle. I love, uh Brett kelliendo Yeah as
John impression. Yeah, he's gonna go over there and broom
there they're no more terrorists. He'll do like circles of
random stuff just starting.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
See here the reference throwing the flag, which usually indicates
that there's going to be a penalty on the play
and that's going to result in either a loss for
the offense or the defense on yardage like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Stuff like that. That's going to be a touchdown. That's
so good. Hersheizer looking like he's starting to lose it
a little. Look at these two most ground outs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
They used to record ground out and Dennis Martinez is
pitching for Cleveland at the time, and so four and
thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
So that's crazy. I didn't know they even kept that
as a stat You don't see it as much. That's
a good status because a lot of pictures like Stanny
Martinez right there, Presidente, aren't like strikeout pictures per se.
You know, a lot of the strikeout pictures you see

(01:18:58):
are like the those flamethrower arms. Yes, you know, like
obviously the Brandon Johnson's things like that, but not every
good picture is a strikeout pitcher, and you can have
like a low e. I guess maybe groundouts aren't looked
at because era can kind of represent that you're not

(01:19:19):
letting people on base or uh, you know, like you
can find other ways to see if someone's a good picture.
But I mean, Martinez is almost like what five thousand groundouts,
that's almost like five thousand strikeouts. Essentially, it's it's pretty
much the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
And what team did he throw no hitter with?

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
I don't know, the Montreal Expos Really El Presidente that's
what they called him because he could run for president
and Nicaragua's home country.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
He would later play for the Braves.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
That's that's a crazy statistic. The most groundouts el.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
It's a great nickname. Yeah, it El Presidente.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Duran. Duran has a song called meet El Presidente, so
maybe that's what they're talking about. Tim McCarver, little did
he know that he'd be calling a whole lot more
World series because this is ninety five. This is his
first World Series since I want to say, I think
ninety three, if not ninety two with CBS, right, So

(01:20:29):
of course Joe Buck would become the guy with Fox. Yes,
they had the ninety six World Series base Hit, the
ninety eight World Series, the two thousand World Series, and
they've had the World Series every year since consecutively since
two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
I think I've talked to you about it. But one
of my favorite things have you ever seen the like
a mashup or a compilation of Joe Buck announcing all
these TV shows that get canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
We've talked about this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Yeah, he always during the World Series. They always like
because it's fall time, they're always coming out with new
shows sweeps. Yeah, and so they always run the sweeps
during the World Series. And it's that you can find
like a big mash up. There's a television graveyard and
Joe Buck's name is all over literally every show he announces.
It just canceled, canceled, canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Don't let Joe Buck out season. Don't let Joe Buck
announce your show. Joe Bucks kind of get canced.

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Joe Bucks, stay away from bet this, leave leave us alone.
Do not do not, do not do that live read
that's crazy. Do not answer that phone call.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
There's Chipper at the dish again. He was the nineteen
ninety five National League Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
He's getting his first taste here of the world of
October baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
He is. Chipper is one of the greatest players I've
ever seen play baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Hitting a switch hitting third baseman. You don't see that
a lot either. No, And we saw his flow his
hair during the two thousand All Stair Game. It was
one of the first editions of the playback we did
for all you playbackers out there. Check that out. We've got,
we've had, We've done so much in so little time

(01:22:14):
if you think about it, seege, we've only done this
since what the summer?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yeah, playback is like a new series. Yes, and we
still do bet this of course. It's all on the
Pulse Podcast Network under the bet this umbrella. Chipper foul Yep,
just foul Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
He's lucky because Eddie was on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
That steady Eddie Eddie eat drinking Bee Murray. Yes, the
schwam came.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Up with that, Eat drink and be murdy. That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Bobby Cox never got a nickname.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
I don't know why. Mm.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
There you go, earl hersch eyes are getting it done.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
He got out of that. I just can't with you sometimes.
Chipper Jones taking the walk of shame back to the dugout.
He's only a rookie. It's all right. He had he
had a big chew in. Yeah he did, didn't I
watched him. He spit a huge thing at cheering gum,
was it?

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
No, there's Carlos one f by c two by Treasure
three f by erga. Look at those reboughk gloves. He's
about to rip this or take a hacket.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Yeah, betting three forty one in the postseason, but oho
for two on the night.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
So him and Lemke are pretty much the same in
terms of fielding. They both have actually fielded their position
pretty well in this game, one of the nineteen ninety
five World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
You know what's interesting to me is watching an older
baseball game is trying to see the difference and wrung
them up just backwards. Yeah, Maddox is just painting as
artists tend to do. Siege and Maddox. He had three
thousand strikeouts, right, he's not a big strikeout guy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Did he have three you know what, you might want
to check on that. I know he had three hundred wins.
I'm pretty sure he had three three thousand strikeouts. But
he wasn't really as you mentioned, he wasn't. He wasn't
really the master of the of the k No, he
could get you. But he was also the master you
know what else. He was the master of the two
hour and like forty five minute ball game. If he
was dealing, you were going home early.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
So which is nice back then? Oh yeah, some it
It is crazy to see how baseball has evolved. The
pitch clock is such a great invention.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Because some remember the purists were like, this is going
to ruin the game of baseball?

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Yeah, what is it ruin?

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Yeah? Then I get to go home and do my
taxes two and a half hours earlier than I was
supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I can catch a good night's sleep and not have
to stay up and watch a guy like I can
do my laundry and go to a party. Like literally,
before baseball was just two people staring at each other,
trying to intimidate each other until one person got the
better of the other.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
I could meet a pretty girl at the pier, just
as long as you know I don't fall off the pier, right,
no peer pressure?

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
He where is his where's his strikeouts? Why can't I find?
Doesn't have it on there? Does have his cats? Gotcha? Yeah?
It says three thousand and seventy one, gotcha? Okay, that
was in the majors. It has his miners' stats here too. Oh,

(01:25:51):
I don't want to know, but it Yeah, in the
majors he has three thousand, three hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Let me do my Who cares about his minor league stats?
He doesn't have to pay polimony. Albert Bell read one
of the things about Albert Bell that's not savory. Seriously,
to put Albert Bell in a vehicle, put that, search

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for that and then read it, and then then you'll
tell you why he didn't win the nineteen ninety five
American League MVP. When you search it, then read, just
read it to the read it to the playbackers. You'll
get a first class ticket or a first class seat
as to why Albert Bell did not win the American

(01:26:36):
League MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Hold on, I just tried to hold on. I just
saw it. Okay, where you're not going on dirty sites?
Are you? No, there's a sports show. What are you doing? No?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
No, no, steady Eddy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
There he is in October of nineteen ninety five, so
right about this time. Yeah, Bell's house in Ohio was
egged by teenagers after he turned away trigger treaters on Halloween.

(01:27:12):
Bell then chased one of the trigger treaters in his car. Yes,
Bell was fined one hundred dollars for reckless operation of
a vehicle. The guardian of the teenager later sued Bell
for eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars, contending that Bell's
car had bumped into the teenager. The lawsuit was settled
in ninety seven when.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
He played for the Chicago White Sox. So whew, yeah,
and that's why you're not getting ail MVP PLL. He
tried to run over trigger treater egged his house. He said, okay,
little brat, are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
That's crazy? No candy, that doesn't work for me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
You want to know something, I bet no one ever
threw exsitt his house again.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
The first and last time. It would be one of these.
And no one egged Albert Bell's house ever again. That's
one of those. Did you have that in school? By
the way, choose your own ending?

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Oh like the little are you talking about the little
like thing? Or you read a book oh yea yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Where you turned a chapter? Turn to page fifty five,
A dragon eats and kills you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
I've got my finger still on page three. I didn't
flip all the way. I didn't choose that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
I didn't you all get dysentery and die in the end.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
And what are we playing the Oregon Trail?

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
What was the next page? You win a billion dollars
and buy a baseball team? Oh, it's leave it to
the leave it to page fifty five, right, damn page
fifty five. There's Paul Austin Mocker, Julian Tavares. You remember
Julian and Tavares. He was he played for every team.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
I just am amazed at how quick you are able
to just spout out some of these names. What was
that picture's name? Oh, Paul, Orville Austen Mocker. Paul Austen Mocker.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's what they call They call them Orville,
you know, Orville Reddenbacker, Orville austen Macher.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
That's kidd again.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Didn't come up with that one, Actually, No, I did
come up with that one. I did come up with
that one. Mike Thriller Jackson later closer for Cleveland in
the late nineties. It's one to one, bottom of the
seventh in Atlanta. Cleveland and Atlanta in the nineteen ninety

(01:29:28):
five World Series, a rematch of the nineteen forty eight
World Series. By the way, when Cleveland won the World
Series in nineteen forty eight Game six in Boston, they
clinched it at a place that still exists today.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
It's not Fenway.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
They had to beat the Red Sox in a one
game playoff to get to the World Series to win
the American League Pennant. They won it at Boston University's
Nickerson Fieldhouse. Really, it still exists to.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
This day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
At press time. Yeah, Hersheiser starting to labor a little
bit here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
You could see it lasting, starting to throw a little outside,
but he's been able to hang in there. I mean,
this is a pitching matchup. This two aces going at it, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
One trying to win a World Series and one that's
already one that already has a World Series ring. And
he walked. Fred McGriff, the crime dog walks not a
threat on the base paths. By the way, although he's
in really good shape. McGriff is in good shape. He's
a slim you know. And you saw that home run.
He obviously can do that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Well that's why it's almost I'm wondering maybe they're not
too worried about walking in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
There's no easy out in this lineup, maybe the bottom
part of it. But look, justice is true.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Yeah, you let you let McGriff go, and it's you
got justice right behind Him's no point in intentionally walking him.
But at the same time, McGriff already laced one a
center field. I don't know if Harsheizer's too worried about
letting him go just because he already he's kind of
already got a feel for him. It's like now they
can try and force at least to get Justice to

(01:31:08):
bunter take a strike or something.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Who was David Justice married to at the time. I
don't know Cleveland's own halle Berry. Really, I think he
when they divorced, I think he got her. I think
he give her a box of snakes or something, or
a snake. Yikes, it's better than snakes on a plane?

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
What? What?

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
What? Was the uh? I'm sick of these monkey fighting
snakes on this Monday to Friday plane. See if if
Samuel L.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Jackson used those words in that in the in the
in the actual movie, I actually would have gone and
saw that movie. I would have It's so good, of
course he His first words as a child were probably
that this right, Yeah, we're mother, mother Hubbard. My first
words the baby, as you well know, as we've said
this before, I know yours was touchdown. Mine was actually

(01:32:04):
the F word because watching Excalibur, Sir Lancelot falls on
the sword and I went, oh, my parents went looked at.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
They said the same thing. No.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Mother looked at father, did you say that no? And
then she goes, did you say that no? And then
they both looked at me. As justice walks, I can
pretty much say it, Oh no, no, no, no. They
both looked at me, and I had this like impish
little smile like this. They're like, this one's gonna be

(01:32:39):
a hassle. Let's make two more.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Yeah, it looks like that might be the end of
Herscheiser's night. He's in his ear. He's like, give me
the baseball, buddy. That's the pitching coach. So yeah, he's
give me the baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
No, Hargrove is the one that's gonna pull him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
It's like, what are we doing here, come on, get
it together.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
At the time, you had unlimited mountain visits.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Yeah. And also they're wondering, why, oh, Austin Mocker's coming in.
See I told you they're pulling him. Why would a
pitching coach going He's sitting there, he's saying, he's in
his ear. He's saying, give me the baseball, and her
size was like, no, no, I'm good. It's cool. He's like,

(01:33:37):
give me the baseball. There you go. What a cool shot.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Al, Jim and Tim, two of which are still with
us at press time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Al never eating a broccoli. I still don't buy that
Al Brussels sprout, Michaels.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
You mean yeah, you mean to tell me his mom
wouldn't say Al eat your you know, Alvin eat your vegetables.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Aloisious. Do you believe in kurnivorous children?

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Al each you know her size is not happy. Well
he's a bulldog, right, Yeah, you don't want to be
taken out. There is Paul orvil Asenmacher.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Well, it's almost like I said, it was like a
duel between the pitchers. Yeah, you don't want to be
the one to fold first, you know, right, if Maddox
stays in, it's almost like I won up to you.
I got you, Yeah, I got you. He's got thekel zones.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
There's Mike Devereux. So you had two top closers in
the game at the time, Mark Bowler's right for the
Braves and Jose Mesa for Cleveland. Again, this is only
Game one of the nineteen ninety five World Series, and
I want to say this was a Saturday night in

(01:35:04):
nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
I want to say it was a Saturday. The How
did the series go back then? Was it every other
game they traveled? Was it two three two two three two?
Because I didn't know if they did like a two
three or two.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
To two one one one. Yeah, hbah like the NBA
and the NHL. No, this was it's still it's to
this day press time, it's still two three two. I
don't like, did you prefer to one?

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
I like that two two one one. Yeah. I think
it's a travel thing. Yeah, but I who cares? Who cares?
You're getting paid all this money. I don't care if
you have to travel. Make it fair for the fans.
And it's also it's annoying because like say, say Cleveland
wins one, Say Cleveland wins game.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Two, Yeah, like it's still a game in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Yeah, Atlanta wins the first game, yeah, right, Like they
win game one, but then game two Atlanta loses at home. Yeah.
That means Cleveland's three three offered three games straight at
home with home field advantages, which it makes a difference
in sports. I don't care. How many games have you
seen end in five?

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Right and and and become a home field advantage for
the home You know what I mean? You still you
steal a game. You either win game one, lose game two,
or you win lose game one, win game two. Then
it's almost like a four game swite essentially. That's it
becomes a gentleman's sweep.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Yeah, it's just that's why I like the two to
two one one one because it's like say two two
one one one style. Cleveland wins game two, well, then
they even if they win both of their home games,
it still gives the better team that had the outright

(01:36:53):
home field advantage a chance, a chance, a chance to
win at home again because you get game six.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Yeah, and then if necessary game seven. You know what
series aggravated me?

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Three? You know hers is about to or no, it's
not her. It's awesome, awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
You know what series aggravated me? What a first round
NBA series back in the two thousands, and there might
have been the twenty tens between the Dallas Mavericks and
the Houston Rockets. It stretched, it lasts. It's a seven
game series, right, it lasted almost three weeks?

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
What how.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Houston and Dallas aren't very far right? Are they walking?
Did he want he walked him, He walked Devereaux.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
And the bases are load.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Bases are full of bravos. Get out of this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
It's about to be the chop shop here. I don't
even know if he has any outs, no outs.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Yeah, we're in the danger zone now, boys and girl rolls.
We look at the nineteen ninety five calendar. Hargrove's gonna
pull him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
I was about to say, is also there was no
there's no rule here right for Yeah, there's no rule
for minimum like at bats right like nowadays a pitcher
has to do three batters at minimum right Well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Did not apply back then. Yeah, so you was just
an effect. Yeah, he's gonna heart grubs going to the
bullpen right there the point. Look at the camera shot.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
That camera shot was good. He just the full. Austin
Macher came in for one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
At bat and he didn't get it done. You're you're out,
You're out, Jerry.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
See. But that's you talk about why baseball games lasted
so long. Let's let's warm this picture up. Let him
come in throw thirty you know, warm up pitches with
the catcher to get in sync. He's gonna go, He's
gonna face one batter and then we're gonna pull him
and do this all over again. Let's cut to another commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
There's Paul Sorrento, by the way, they call him cheddar
Cheddar Sorrento. Paul Sorrento, July and Tavares, as I said,
had been everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Four point five e r A in the postseason. It's
not good played for your Red Sox. You remember him
with the Red Sox, right or no? Not really good?
Or what? What this was?

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
This was?

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
This was a.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Saturday in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Yeah? And my snack. I remember the snack like it
was yesterday. It caused my root by having me getting
a root canal Halloween oreos.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
That'll they'll probably do it, right, some chocolate cookie.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
No Halloween oreos and soda that will probably yeah, at
the of twelve and frosted plates for breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
That'll do it. You're getting a root canal, kid?

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Yeah, I was intensely I was your teeth got jacked?

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Well, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Intensely afraid of dentists because of Isaac Yankom d DS.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Was that your dentists?

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
No, the wrestler. There was a wrestler named Isaac Yankom.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
D ds, Isaac, I'm an idiot, Isaac Yankum, look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Louise Polonia now at the dish, bases full of braves,
no outs, bottom of the seventh inning in Atlanta's Fulton
County Stadium. Julian Tavares pitching for Cleveland. Not a good
era in the postseason is as siegen Eliteed alluded to
four point fifty era. This is the danger zone, folks.

(01:40:53):
Cleveland has to get out of this, can they?

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Is it just Caine? It was before Cain became my guy,
Isaac Yankam, bro talk about Yankum. Where's this dude's teeth? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
He was, and you know where is love? Where he
was from? He was from Decatur, Illinois.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
That's so on the nose. Oh was that a now?

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Or was that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Ahhh Okay, that's a blunder. Now, Bobby Cox is coming
out to talk to the Umps. Jimmy Williams, by the way,
the bench coach would later manage the Boston Red Sox.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Bobby Cox is gonna lose it here.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Well, there's no replay challenge back then, so you're arguing
over nothing right here here it is watch viscll okays
is he got he got him? Okay, good, but he
dropped the ball. Oh, okay, I got you, Oh gotcha?

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
He was trying to get it up to Bierga, but
Bierga was already covering the bag.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
Oh, he didn't have the ball when he touched the bag. Oh,
it was our it was way out. Oh, Bobby Cox
is gonna freak.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Bobby. It's not Bobby Cox. But I we talked about
it before the minor league Braves. Uh, I'm manager. He
had that one of the biggest explosions ever.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
He knew the cameras were on.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
He did that intention. Every time I think of managers
getting ejected, I think of that specific one he used
to was that the one when he took the rosen
bag and he pretended that it was a grenade. He like,
army crawled on the crad that's so good. Hamburger Hill,

(01:43:08):
Hamburger Hill, that's a game call. Put down the damn
rosen back and back into the clubhouse. You degenerate. They've
got tunnels in the like. Yeah, you're still ejected, Bud. Great,

(01:43:34):
great theatrics. Get out, get off my feet. Oh that's good.
See the dugout. You're not in that dugout anymore, clubhouse.
I watched a video recently of what was it? It

(01:43:54):
was It was a football player. It was an old
Cowboys player. He got ejected from a game. And it
was the too game when or like there's the bunt
uh any one?

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah? Two outs now, but it is three to one.
So do you remember the Cowboys player that got ejected
or no, no, I don't remember the player that got ejected.
It was the game when t O stood on the
the star. The Star was played for the forty nine ers, right, yeah,
I want to say that was George Tige, Yes, but
he was the second player ejected. There was a player
ejected before him. Okay, it was like Tigue was ejected

(01:44:30):
for hitting t O. Yes, I remember that. But the
play before that, okay, the there was a cornerback or
something that was he was getting in a fight with
another player and then he was already frustrated because they
were getting stomped by the Niners that game, and.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
So he said he would later play for the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
He he ended up like the Cowboys player ended up
like shoving the ref and getting ejected. Oh h yes. Oh,
and and the inning is finally over. Wow, three to one.
You have Maddox now staked out to a two run
lead going to the eighth inning. Now, ye at home,
Jim Tomey, Manny Ramirez and Sandy Olamar. You got some

(01:45:13):
big bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
We got big bats coming up though.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
But yeah, so the Cowboys player the video, The whole
point of it was they got ejected both like he
got it. The first one got ejected, Yeah, Tigue didn't.
And then the next minute, like Tigue, the next guy
or whatever came into the locker room right behind him,
and he was like the next next guy came in
right behind him, and he was just like what did
you even do? And he was like I don't even
want to talk about him, man, I'm so angry. And

(01:45:37):
they just both left the stadium. That was like the
whole point of the videos. They were like, we didn't realize.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Like that was Texas Stadium at the time. They were like,
devrou now goes to left field.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
We didn't realize we were supposed to stay until after
the game. And like they were like, we got ejected,
so we weren't allowed to be on the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
We just love you Lopez. Now the catcher. You remember
Howvey Lopez.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Wait, no, I'm I'm I got confused for a second
to Taveres. Yea is I for some reason was like, wait,
Taveres is catching now? He said Lopez. I'm Hovey Lopez. Yes, yes,
not Julian Tavares. Yes, I know I got their names
mixed up for a second. I was like, wait, wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait Julian Hovey Hovey Julian.

(01:46:18):
I don't even think you. I don't think you could
go from pitcher to catcher anyways. I think when you
get pulled from pictuer, you're done. It's over. Yeah, not
anymore like now that show haze a thing. They obviously
changed the rules. The adages as old as dirt. Al

(01:46:40):
Michael's first sport was baseball, by the way, See yeah
that always surprised It was the voice of the Cincinnati Reds. Yeah,
before he got to ABC. See he's so good with
football though, Oh, I.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Know he's synonymous with football because ABC essentially, you know not.
They didn't again, they didn't screw them over. They screwed
the cut tree over by not having baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
I know that they put broadcasters in sports hall of fames,
like baseball, football, stuff like that. Is there a broadcasters
Hall of Fame in baseball? No, just like in like
its own thing, not like a sports Hall of Fame,
but like, is there, like there's a radio Hall of Fame.
That's kind of what I'm looking at. I don't think
there's a I didn't know because I'm just like, is

(01:47:22):
al Michael's going to be in the NFL Hall of
Fame Pro Football Hall of Fame? I would assume he's
already in if you want to check, and is he
Like do you think he would make the baseball hall.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
I think he's already in the baseball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
That was roped.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
I'm pretty sure he's in the baseball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
And it's like, I feel like he deserves to be
in the hockey Hall of.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
Fame too because of the miracle.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Yeah, that's one of the most legendary calls ever. It's like,
so that was my question or That's where I was
kind of going with it, is like, is he in
three different hall of fames? I'd be in the basketball
Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Who knows he called NBA finals, you know for ABC
in the two thousands. Really, yeah, I didn't know that.
One of the great calls, actually one of the more
underrated calls. It was Lakers Timberwolves in two thousand and
four in the Conference finals.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Al is eighty years old.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Yeah, Tommy is out, much to my dismay, Jim Tomy
is my homie.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
Throws him the dead fish. Mm hmm. Hall of Fame
star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I didn't know
that either was a California boy in Brooklyn though. The
NSMA Hall of Fame inductee, TV Television Academy Hall of

(01:48:44):
Fame inductee. That's kind of what I was was looking for.
I guess, Manny to Maddox. See, but how do you
get into the Television Hall of Fame Academy Hall of Fame?
Like is it like does it have to be sports related?

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
It's just television in general.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Like regis you know Reage, he's got uh Television and
Radio Award for football. Yes, he's in the Baseball Hall
of Fame in the what did you just say? Watch
your mouth?

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
Ford C. Frick Wing Hall of Fame. And then as
is Bob Costas.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
The football field at his alma mater, high school and
then they changed that to California or New York and
Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
Okay, because yeah, he was born in Brooklyn, but he
moved later on to California. That's why he was able
to go to college in California.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Or do you go to Hawaii for college? He went
to a SU. That's right, he did go to a SU. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Then I think he went to Hawaii to do broadcasting.
There's actually if you want to look up Hawaii five. Oh,
I think there's al Michaels. I think al Michaels was
was an extra in Hawaii five.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Oh. That TV show you've heard of? Hawaii five? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Right, iconic theme and everything I've heard heard that? Yeah,
book them Dan. Oh if you look up al Michaels
Hawaii five. Oh, I think I'm pretty sure there's a
picture of him. So right, So right, Cleveland's a one

(01:50:29):
hit wonder right now?

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Is this al Michaels? Yes? Wow, that's crazy. That is crazy.
What was that? What was that show we were talking
about recently? Coach? Yeah, what was the team name?

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
The Minnesota Screaming Eagles?

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Was that the college? Yes? What was the NFL team?

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
The Orlando Breakers?

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Orlando Breakers. We gotta get we gotta get our Breakers stuff. Yeah,
I know, we gotta we gotta bring the Breakers back.
That's right. Yeah, you gotta wear that to Disney World,
the Orlando Breakers. I know I need to get some
I need to get some Breakers gear. I feel like
we could get like a Breakers fan base here on

(01:51:20):
h on the playback and bet this we could get
the bet heads and the playbackers too. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
The last decade I had the Saint Louis Stallions. I've
got all kinds of Saint Louis Stallion stuff in storage.
Should I saying that ten times fast?

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
I bet me and you could we could get like
almost like a Coach rerun started, if we tried hard enough,
a reboot. Yeah. I don't know if Kraig te Nelson
wants to do that again. No, no, no, Me and
you will be the new Coach. We'll be the new Forest.

(01:51:53):
We'll bring back the Orlando Breakers. What's some of the
merch that you are looking for? Because I can name
you if they have it or not for Breakers gear? Yeah. Oh,
I mean if I could cop a jersey, I'd obviously
cop it. You mention that you know what worth point is, right,
I don't know if I've heard of it. They're like
an auctioneer of some kind. They auction sports memorabilia stuff

(01:52:16):
that's not sports memorabilia, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
Right, they're old. Do you know the colors of the Breakers?
If you wasn't it like blue and yellow like black?

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
It was? It was? Yeah, it was black, black, yellow
and green. Green was the other color. One of the
auction they.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
When the show wrapped up in the nineties, right, they
had mementos that they wanted to sell. There's a pennant,
there's a helmet, there's a jacket.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
And there's a jersey, damn and a hat.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
So yeah, yep, in fact, I'll show you right, Okay,
Hooly and Tavara is still in the game. The first
thing that pops up is the per oh okay, and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
What was the college Minnesota screaming Eagles? The Minnesota State
screaming Eagles. That's crazy. See, the Windbreaker is so tough.
The jersey's tough too. It's like a mix between like
the Jags and like the Packers colors almost it's like
the black of the Jaguars but the green and gold

(01:53:33):
of the Packers. I think it's unique. And different. Yeah, No,
it's like a nice mixture of all. It's like, I
like the way the black jersey looks like it reminds
me of the black Jags jerseys, is what I'm like
thinking of the away would probably be what it would
probably be white, and then they would have the numbers

(01:53:54):
would probably be just black. They'd probably flip them. Now
that I look at this, do you know what the
sexuary reminds me of? What these colors? And I think
maybe they did this on purpose because you know where
coach took place originally? Right, Well, didn't you say it
was Minnesota's correct? Ye?

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
What was the NHL hockey team at the time or
the north Stars Minnesota north Stars or were their colors?

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
They were those same colors. It's true, just saying when
did they become the Dallas Stars nineteen ninety three? Were
they in Dallas before they became the Dallas Stars, Like,
did they have like another name or something.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
No, they just dropped the North right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
I didn't know if they were like the Dallas like
all Stars or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
No, they just dropped. They just dropped North because it
would make no sense. Yeah, the Dallas north Stars.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Yeah, down here in Texas. Little did Al No, Little
did Al know that the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
We're going to Alan Embry and Eric Plunk now in
the bullpen for Cleveland. Alan Embry you know that name. Yeah,
that's a solid, solid release. There's Dave Winfield.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Sunflower Seeds.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
When nineteen twenty and nineteen forty eight? Do you know
who they beat in nineteen twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
M the Yankees know. I literally have no clue.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
The Brooklyn Robins, who you now know as the Orioles,
the Lost, No, the Brooklyn Robins, Oh what are they?

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
The Dodgers?

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
They are the Los Angeles Dodgers because they were named
after Wilton. Wilton Robinson, the manager.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
I didn't know if Robin Robbins became like Orioles, no,
like birds, like the Saint Louis Browns became the Baltimore Orioles,
the gross Saint Louis Brown's. Yeah, Saint Louis had two teams. Yeah,
they were the Cards, weren't they have the.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Cards in the National League right, But then they had
the Browns in the American League.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
Check out the Saint Louis Browns. I've seen their uniforms.
They're similar to the Cleveland brown uniforms, like they're brown
and orange, aren't they like in gray? I think that's
the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Satchel Page played for them. Yeah, the Saint Louis Browns.
Saint Louis each had two teams, one in the American League,
one in the National League. The logo that was one
of the logos they had.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
Yeah, wow wow, right four hundred and fifty feet out
in center field there Willie Mays, Mike Hargrove. I think
he's going to make a pitching change. The nickname the Brownies, yep,

(01:57:05):
Brownie the elf. Also, is this the same owner literally
their mascot?

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
Might you know the Paul Brown owned the Cleveland Browns
or yeah, Tavares is.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Out dang, just a little shout out. We lost the
last two remaining players from the Saint Louis Browns this year.

(01:57:41):
Ed Michelson and Billy Hunter died six days apart this year.
In twenty twenty five. They were the last and they
were the last surviving Saint Louis Brown's.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Yeah, yep, yep, Well, we had two teams in Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
Hold that thought. After the nineteen fifty three season, the
team moved to Baltimore. Baltimore Maryland where it became the
Baltimore Orioles. Yes, so they did become the Orioles. I
just said I told you that. Oh wait, you're talking
about Oh yes, I'm getting confused. Yes, I the team
we were talking about before was the Robbins, the Brooklyn Robbins.

(01:58:21):
Excuse me, we did. Yeah, you just said that the
Orioles were the Browns. I'm getting confused. I was like,
wait a minute, Jay Dogg just told me something wrong. No,
I'm just wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
See you're Saint Louis right here. And then they're gonna
and then both moved to Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
They're gonna probably gonna make Flower run move there like
the Colts. And then right, you're in a baseball team
and you started in nineteen fifty four.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
They're going to Pioneer all the way to Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
They always moved to Baltimore. If they're the Browns, aren't
they apparent?

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
Damn apparently that's what? What What are the odds that
like two browns, their mascots were the same too, Browns
Brownie the Elf. It was the name of the mascot.
I'm kidding me. What how is that?

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
How did that happen the Browns Saint Louis moved to Baltimore, Cleveland.
The Browns moved to Saint Louis. Well they came from
Saint Louis and the Cleveland Browns. Well yeah, but they
say the Cleveland Browns they moved to Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
Well technically they didn't if you remember. Well, yeah, that's
the thing is, like they were supposed to go to
weren't they supposed to go to Saint Louis?

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
But then they split?

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
One team went to Baltimore, but they weren't allowed to
take the Browns. History split. It was the Browns. The
Browns were going to Baltimore. Yeah, you could call, but
like the franchise couldn't go to the Like the Browns
couldn't go to Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Right, the players could and the coaching management, this, that
and the other. Right, yes, but the team name, the
Colors and the records all stayed in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
Yeah. Weren't they supposed to go to Saint Louis too
or something?

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Or no? That was the Patriots. Oh okay, yes, yes,
because the orth Whine family wanted to move them to
Saint Louis to become the either the Saint Louis Americans
or the Saint Louis Stallions. I would have loved that. Nah,
I like the the Saint Louis Stallions, I would have had.

Speaker 3 (02:00:26):
I like the XFL team. I like the Saint Louis
Battle battle Hawk.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
Well, I had this thing going with the Stallions, right,
I was going to buy them, right, I wasn't gonna
buy the team, was gonna buy. Yeah, the Stallion's stable
in Saint Louis was going to be this like seventy
thousand seat stadium. And I had this. I had a
Jekyl and Hyde kind of complex. Act like Steinbrenner when
I owned Cleveland the baseball team, but act like Jerry Jones,

(02:00:50):
and everything's a party with the Stallions. You fly right
there there, look at that billionaire Ted, and there's oh yeah,
go and buy them Gon pull out all the ops
stalls billionaire Ted. Okay, So, as I said, be as
stressful as humanly possible, right with owning a baseball team.

(02:01:13):
But see, with a baseball team, you buy a private jet.
When you buy a football team, you got the Jay
Dog Cruiser, baby nade of electric. We're partying. It's a party. Atmosphere.
Got the Hawaiian T shirt and you got the LUA right.

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
Welcome to the Stallion Stables Stadium here sponsored by Tommy Bahama.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
Or Monday Night Football.

Speaker 3 (02:01:43):
That's right, it's the top of the ninth by the way. Yep,
Atlanta's still up three to one. Game one, nineteen ninety
five World Series. Fewest hits aloud in a World Series game.

Speaker 1 (02:01:54):
Of course, you had Don Larson's perfect game from nineteen
fifty six, Jim Lonborg nineteen sixty.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
This is a little bit before. Who not Cole handles
the Roy Holiday?

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Roy Holliday?

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
Yeah, he threw a no hitter as well. Not in
the World Series, now in the postseason. You're right, not
in the World Series. I thought he threw the bat.
It was a broken bat. It looked like he who
I thought it was the ball? No, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
The ball is white.

Speaker 3 (02:02:25):
The bat is not.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
The Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:02:30):
That was the slogan back then? What was it?

Speaker 6 (02:02:32):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
Have you had your break today? Have you had your
break today? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
You're not loving it? Are you whack?

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
See what I did there? Folks, they've had that slogan.
I'm loving it for over twenty years now.

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
It's good. I disagree. What do you think they need
to change it. Yes, I like the you know what
I miss? I missed like the old I'm not that
this was the slogan. I missed the dollar minionnaires. I
miss being a dollar minionaire. I miss being a lot
of people miss being a dollar. You're not the only one.
I miss being able to roll up and be like,

(02:03:06):
give me a mc chicken and a small fry, and
it's two dollars, and I could count out the sense
that you've already got the two dollars and sixteen cents.
Here you go, two one six Cleveland to sixteen. There
you go. Kenny Lofton at the dish, one out already,
Greg Maddox only giving up one one hit wonder and

(02:03:29):
Hersheiser pitched a good game, he did, But again Cleveland, yep, Hersheiser,
Who would you? I know you're a Guardian's fan.

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
Yeah, you know, he's a two whitt Wonder. Lofton gets
a board.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
You're a Guardians fan. But who's the better pitcher, Hersheiser
or Mat Maddicks prime Maddix is in the Hall of Fame, Like, yeah,
but so is Hirscheizer, isn't he Herscheiser is not in
the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
Really he ran out of gas.

Speaker 3 (02:03:58):
Yep, Kenny lofton animal I was gonna say, I mean
Greg Maddox with the golden gloves and stuff. He's probably
one of the where would you put him in? Top ten?

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:04:12):
All time? Top five?

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
Oh, top ten, top ten, top ten. Definitely not in
the postseason though, this is a rarity.

Speaker 3 (02:04:18):
Well, yeah, they showed right now, they showed he had
the highest RA of the all time in the postseason,
I believe. And on the other side, Herscheiser had one
of like the lowest ras in the postseason of all time.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Viscal trying to bunt.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
Did you see the step off the mound that Maddox had, Yeah,
talk him. I wonder why he's a gold glover. Look
how quick he got off the mound. That was what
you've seen to ask ready to snag the bunt as
it was coming in, of course, pulled back by the batter.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
So it's Steve Avery and Mark Wohler is the closer
in the bullpen.

Speaker 3 (02:05:03):
Mh. You knew Kenny was going. I mean he didn't
even try to hide it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
Ball got away way It's a three to two game.

Speaker 3 (02:05:16):
Now, wow, that's true. Yeah, if Kenny Lofton had got
thrown out the fact that he went for a third
on a on a route.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
I actually disagree with that. Babe Ruth got caught stealing
to end a World series, to end the world like
a game seven or something, the game six or games. Yeah,
he got caught stealing, Babe Ruth. I think it would
have beat you have little girl legs. I think it
would have beat him in there too, Like I think
that throw would.

Speaker 3 (02:05:50):
Have beat him to the bag. I don't know. Wow, See,
and they were just saying, they were just saying they
would trade two outs for one run, yes, as they
were talking about Yeah, I don't think that's how they

(02:06:11):
thought that was gonna go down.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Though Mike Devereux doesn't have a play.

Speaker 3 (02:06:28):
Who nail Bier here? Truly? Nothing like once the once
it turns October J Doug, Yeah, nothing like October baseball.
I agree, it is nothing like October baseball. I I
have to admit I fell off of baseball for a
while when I was younger. I played lacrosse. Yeah, and

(02:06:51):
I have any playbacker or bethead if they didn't yeah,
if they if the betheads and the playbackers didn't know
I'm wicked badly with add and ADHD and I growing up,
I was like a short attention span and the game
was so slow back then, and I lacrosse with such

(02:07:11):
a fast paced sport. I fell off with baseball for
a while, like Wow. But no matter how many, no
matter what sport I was playing, how old I was,
October baseball. Nothing ever beat October baseball, whether it's a
wild card, wild card round, division series, league championship series,

(02:07:35):
or the World Series, or back in the day, a
one game playoff. Nothing better. And it's for crowds like this,
like the atmosphere out of baseball stadium during especially because
there's no time limit, there's no that's a nope. He
got a hold of that. He got a hold of it.
That looked like some that looked like some Vlad senior stuff. Yeap, yeah,

(02:07:58):
by Aerga. Looks like he swung out of his shoes almost,
and he might have injured himself.

Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
Playing Rebok.

Speaker 3 (02:08:10):
Not a big fan of the bug that they keep
popping up and the.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
Bottom gone up, gone yep, manny doing the.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
Need some change. Nah, Okay, he got lucky with that one.
I would have probably would have if I'm swinging that bad.
It's getting wrung up. I'm not getting the same call
he made the contact. Yeah, I was like, I was like, yeah,
he fully swung on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
He made contact. You look at the rebok. It doesn't
look like he is, does it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
Jones the rookie to end game one? Is that was
that the third out? Yeah? That's game one? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
The Atlanta Braves defeat Cleveland three to two in Game
one of the nineteen ninety five World Series. Greg Maddox
goes the distance.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
That's crazy and only let's up two hits. Yeah, he's
a two hit wonder how about that? Uh, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
Fireworks pyro Technics going off in Hotlanta at Old Fulton
County Stadium as Atlanta defeats Cleveland three to two in
Game one of the nineteen ninety five World Series.

Speaker 2 (02:09:25):
You're listening to the playback with Jaye Dogg and CJ
on the Pulse Podcast Network the.

Speaker 1 (02:09:30):
Aftermath of Game one of the nineteen ninety five World
Series between Cleveland and Atlanta, with Atlanta winning the first game,
and we're gonna go on to the Best Bet Award.
If you're betting back in those days, way back when
thirty years ago, what would the money line have looked like,
you know, the odds risky, Well, what are we looking at.

Speaker 3 (02:09:49):
Siege putting on my booky cap. I need one of
those like poker hats when we get Yeah, you should.
I noticed you You never seem to wear that. I
know I need to get one, especially during the video portion.
I know, well, I'll get a little bookie hat from
when we do the best too much. No, no, no,
they're they're probably like pennies to the dollar kind of.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
Right as oppose this hat that I'm wearing, which I
I'm not going to say it was triple digits, but
I'm not going to deny that it was.

Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
No, So we're gonna get We're gonna get right into
the Best Bet Award Sports Bookie CJ on the case
your money line. Going into this game, the Braves were
definitely favored at minus one fifty five Cleveland on a
draft of sorts. In championships, of course, they won what

(02:10:35):
was it in forty eight, nineteen forty eight, Yeah, it
was the last time they'd won, so that can weigh
into the odds a little. The talent the Braves have,
obviously is incredible. Rookie of the Year Chipper Jones. Cleveland's
no slow ge. No, I'm not trying to say they
are the best record entire game of baseball that year. Right,
it's still the World Series. It's just they're in Atlanta.

(02:10:56):
Atlanta's going to be favored. Game one, So Brave Braves
were minus one fifty five. Cleveland was plus one thirty
five the run line. The difference was minus one and
a half for the Braves, plus one and a half
for the Indian the Indians or the Guardians. No, they
were what they were at the time, Yes, so the Guardians.

(02:11:21):
Then Cleveland was plus one and a half. Braves were
minus one and a half and the Braves were minus
one twenty on the money line. No, on the run line,
and the Cleveland Indians were plus one hundred okay. And
then the total runs was eight.

Speaker 7 (02:11:35):
And a half.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
The over was minus one ten under minus one was
minus one ten as well was Cleveland's money line. Cleveland's
money line was plus one thirty five. Okay. Yeah, so
Cleveland loses Game one, yep, close game. I guess technically
the run line for the Braves would have hit the
three to two right. Oh actually, yeah, you're right, So no,

(02:11:58):
it wouldn't have it because they would have needed to
win by two your rank, Yes, so the money the
run line wouldn't have hit. Technically, you could have taken
Cleveland on the run line to cover the spread essentially, yeah,
and you would have that's probably your best bet because
that's plus one hundred yep, that's plus money and obviously

(02:12:20):
the total runs didn't go over. The under was minus
one ten. If you took the Braves money line, that's
minus one fifty five. So I think Cleveland to cover
the run line at one and a half and that
was plus one hundred plus money. That's your best bet
right there. Going into this, you would have probably just
done Cleveland money line, I'm assuming, yes, Yeah, that's I mean,

(02:12:42):
that's Jadegg's favorite team. Watching him in the World Series.
He's not taking anything else the run line. Usually. I'm
the same way, like if when the Eagles were in
the Super Bowl, I didn't put money down on them
during the Super Bowl because I didn't want to jinx
anything correct, but when they were you know, if I
had put on money on them, it would have been
the money line. I don't care about spress. I want

(02:13:03):
them to win.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
Kind of right, Okay, so that's the best bet a
war there. Yes, And now worst athletic moment. What went
terribly wrong? Was it a choke collapse or just playing
bad luck? That blunder in the ninth inning which could
have taken Maddox out of the game if it's a
one run game, all of a sudden he had one.
He allowed one hit one a Jim Tomey single.

Speaker 3 (02:13:23):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:23):
Yes, because the error was on u for the shortstop
for a bellyard for Atlanta and Kenny Lofton got on
base to lead off the first inning.

Speaker 3 (02:13:32):
I think my worst athletic because the ball got away
from Chipper. It was a it was what it was.

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
Fred McGriff right, Yes, yes, yes, here he is hits
a tape measure home run at Fulton County Stadium to
put the Braves on top and then nearly costs them
in the end. Yes, Fred McGriff with that blunder in
the ninth inning which didn't ruin the Maddox masterpiece, it
almost did those.

Speaker 3 (02:13:58):
Yes, I I think I'm gonna ge of my worst
athletic moment to Oral Hirscheiser. He just ran out of steam.

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
Towards the end of the seventh inning, and.

Speaker 3 (02:14:06):
That kind of let the game get away. I think
he still pitched a good gem. However, it's just not
good enough. Well, it was the it was the reliever,
the relief pitching for Cleveland, spit the bit. You know
what I am gonna. I'm gonna I'm gonna charge it
to the bullpen. Yeah, I think I'm gonna do that.
I like that, Jada.

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
And why is the pitching coach taking a bulldog like
Arrol Hirscheiser out?

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
Yeah, especially like we said, it was a back and
forth battle. Yeah, I mean he was starting to You
could see he was losing command. He couldn't he couldn't
pinpoint it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:37):
Make heart have Hartgrove, you know, the manager of the team,
have him make that ball, not the pitching coach.

Speaker 3 (02:14:43):
What are you doing? Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:14:45):
The Peak Physical Specimen Award who looked like the ultimate
athlete physike, endurance and dominance Kenny Lofton. By the time
al Michaels was done saying that he goes after he
was already on base.

Speaker 3 (02:14:56):
Yeah, Kenny Lofton is one of the most incredible base
runners of all time. Where did we say he was
he top ten, top fifteen, was he fifteen? Yeah, and
steals of all time? I mean, an incredible athlete, definitely
in peak physical form. I am gonna I'm gonna try
and just pick something different because I don't want to

(02:15:16):
copy you. I like Kenny Lofton and I probably would
have chose him. Yeah, but I think on goal two
bags though, I think I'm gonna pick Greg Maddox, Okay,
just because what a dominating performance he has and he's
known not getting it done in the post. Yeah, he
went in there with here. He is the highest era
in the postseason Game one.

Speaker 1 (02:15:34):
He's about to win the sign Award again by the way,
ninety five yep, about it right? And again what was
the thing on him Kenny Win in October?

Speaker 3 (02:15:43):
Well, it's very As a Red Sox fan, it's very
similar to that David Price twenty eighteen year, and I
talked about.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
Price had made a lot of money but didn't really
produce when it mattered. Most he was and then he
finally did.

Speaker 3 (02:15:56):
He was known for choking in the postseason and he
struggled at the beginning of that post.

Speaker 1 (02:16:01):
The only time he had a good post season was
one year with Tampa Bay when they got to the
World Series in two thousand and eight and the Tigers
in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (02:16:09):
But that was it only time and that eighteen well yeah,
and yes, the eighteen run with Boston. Yes, the eighteen
run was where he like reversed his luck though, correct,
And Maddox because he made made all that money. Yeah,
and Maddox did h Maddox had an incredible game and
what we said, you know, known for not getting it

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done in October. Yeah, so it is. I think I'm
going to give it to him for peak physical performance
just because he put on a show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
By the way, he wasn't good, but he knows he's
in a Nike commercial. He was a really good athlete.
Him and Tom Glavin were in a Nike commercial for
Heather Locklear was looking at chicks dig the long ball
because Mark McGuire was hitting the long ball right, and
then it was Mark McGuire or was it was. It's
a funny commercial. Maddox and Glevin are trying to work

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out to kind of get better, bulk up a little
bit and hit home run because their national league is
essentially right, because they are pitchers and back then in
the National League.

Speaker 3 (02:17:05):
Right, yes, So it's it's funny because they go in
the steam room.

Speaker 1 (02:17:09):
Uh yeah, Uh, they go to the ballpark and then
Heather Locklear goes, Hey, Tom, have you guys seen Mark?

Speaker 3 (02:17:16):
And then Tom Gliming goes, have you ain't seen Mark?
Have you seen Mark? It's great? Well, the whole chicks
dig the long ball. That's where they got that. That's funny.
So how about that? Huh? Thanks thanks to the thanks
to the thanks to the spoosh for that one.

Speaker 1 (02:17:27):
Yeah, for real, best sports nickname? Who had the most
legendary nickname? Hilarious, perfect, perfectly fitting or all of the above?

Speaker 3 (02:17:35):
What what what stood up to you? I'm trying to think.
I don't know what was Uh what's his name?

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
Carlos bi Ergo two? If by Treasure three? If y
Erga's got to be my my go to, it's got
to be Carlos Vierga, Right.

Speaker 3 (02:17:52):
I also like mad Dog, but that's a simple one.
Like Greg Maddox they call him too easy. Yeah, that's
a that's a simple one. Jim to too many people.
Have you know mad Dog or whatever? Mad Bomb?

Speaker 1 (02:18:03):
Like, oh, yeah, the crime you got the crime dog?

Speaker 3 (02:18:05):
The crime Dog. Actually Fred McGriff is the crime dog.
You want that one? Yeah, I'll take Fred McGriff. I'll
let you take one by Land.

Speaker 1 (02:18:13):
Two, by Treasure three, if by ever.

Speaker 3 (02:18:14):
Yeah, yeah, it was. That's a great name.

Speaker 1 (02:18:17):
It is, you know it's another great nickname. Was the
human raindeler, Mike Hargrove, the human rain manager of course
of Cleveland. No nicknames for Bobby Cox. We're not going
there anyway.

Speaker 4 (02:18:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:18:29):
I want to thank Luigi Aguilera for the feed from
YouTube on the channel for that.

Speaker 3 (02:18:35):
Mario's brother is a genie in a bottle. We gotta
let them out.

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
Best Michaelwoar, Mike work Award who talked the talk, best
interviews and uh trash talk sound bites, Al Michaels, Tim McCarver,
Jim Palmer.

Speaker 3 (02:18:49):
I think they all did great. I want to include
all of them. Yeah, Uh, I obviously biased. Love Al
Owl's my.

Speaker 1 (02:18:57):
Al Michael's pretty much do Monday night football on the
play back for you playbackers out there, right, why not
do the World Series? This is his first World Series
game since Game four of the nineteen eighty nine World Series.
I think that they when the Giants clinched over the
or the Ace clinched over the Giants in Sana Francisco.

Speaker 3 (02:19:12):
I think that the whole crew did a great job.
I'm excited for the change up in the broadcast throughout
this entire World series that we're going to be covering.
The ninety five World Series. The ABC crew is obviously great,
but I'm excited to see what NBCA and BC is
Game two, by the way, I see, I'm excited to
see the differences. And now, yes we're not just watching

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two teams compete, but two broadcasts correct exactly, which is unique.
That's not going to happen ever. Again, do you know
what the crew on that was?

Speaker 1 (02:19:41):
No Bob Costas, Joe Morgan and mister Baseball Bob Uker.

Speaker 3 (02:19:45):
Wow, they're bringing out all the stops. Imagine see imagine
if we could just like come together and get Bob
and al to do the World Series together.

Speaker 1 (02:19:53):
Well, I don't know if you know so not Back
in the twenty tens on MLB Network they did a
Giants game together.

Speaker 3 (02:19:59):
Really maybe we could pull that up next year for
the play back if we can find that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:03):
If I can find it, there's only a clip of it,
but if I can find the full game, because they
alternate back and forth innings.

Speaker 3 (02:20:09):
That's crazy. Yeah, that's cool, awesome, that's cool. Yeah, you
only hear stuff like that. I feel like on radio radio,
Like again, everything, I try to not be biased, but
I hear in the industry, I hear what I hear.
We're in the audio industry, were not so I get
to uh, you know, I'm a big Socks fan. I
listen to the Socks on the radio, and they bring

(02:20:30):
in Joe Castiglione still all the time, and he's retired.

Speaker 1 (02:20:34):
But somebody he's now semi retired. Right, they said he
was retired, and then they walk it back and go
semi retire.

Speaker 3 (02:20:40):
Right, He's allowed to still hop in the booth essentially
whenever he.

Speaker 1 (02:20:44):
Did the last couple of weeks of the season.

Speaker 3 (02:20:45):
Yeah, I was listening. I was, And that's what I'm saying. Like,
I feel like you'll hear like more random announcers. I
don't want to say random, and Bob Costas and al
Michaels aren't random. No, you'll hear like more uh, celebrity
fill ins, you know what I mean, like a celebrity
shot and if you're if you've ever played, uh you know,

(02:21:07):
bay Rue is what we called it in school or pong.
But like if you can have like a celebrity shot,
have someone step in for you. It's kind of what
happens on the radio. You'll have like a celebrity guest,
but it's not like a celebrity, it's just another commentator.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
Yes, Coolest Moment Award, the absolute chillest, sickest moment celebration.

Speaker 3 (02:21:25):
Walk off Icy stared out, what do you got? I
liked Fred McGriff's home run at the beginning of the game.
I thought that was a big shot and one of
the one of the bigger hits. But off the top
of my head, I'd probably say that just because it
kind of kickstarts the World Series. It's a big, loud bang,
and it was a defensive game, so it was you know, again,

(02:21:47):
I'm not Jay Dog likes to joke and say that.
I like to like twist the knife, you know, stick
and twist it and try and you know, make this
as painful as possible. But I think this is a
great game. I think that Cleveland played incredible and their
team is a lot more stacked than I thought. You know,

(02:22:07):
I didn't realize Steady Eddie was at first base. I
didn't realize all the talent that they had, yea, so.

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Most of some of it? How many Ramira's homegrown? Yeah,
Jim Tomy homegrown, Chuck Naggy homegrown. So let's see Naggy
in the World Series. So yeah, Aggie wasn't in this
game though.

Speaker 3 (02:22:23):
I like Cleveland, but I just like the home run
to kind of kickstart the World Series the.

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
Coolest Moment Award. I'm a twelve year old boy rooting
for this team, knowing how far they could go. They're
in the World Series. This is the first time in
my lifetime and my parents' lifetime that they're in the
World Series. If you study the entire franchise history of
this organization, and you'll see a lot of grief and misery. Okay,

(02:22:50):
this is this is a big deal here as a
twelve year old boy's rooting for a team that's not
from this area, which there's a lot of consternation of
out that even to this day, I know, as a
man of my forties now at press time, I'm still
controversial in that regard.

Speaker 3 (02:23:07):
I'm an Eagles fan. I've been hearing it my whole life.
I trust Matt Feelia you're going through hell right now. Yeah,
payback is hell brother three minutes of play time. You're
not going nowhere boone, So it's real. It's bone. So
did it a duell? Looking back?

Speaker 1 (02:23:26):
Does it hold up any context changes or does it
feel cringey? Now? Game one of the nineteen ninety five
World Series does not hold up.

Speaker 3 (02:23:35):
Wow, that was not what I was expecting.

Speaker 1 (02:23:37):
From It's great to see Cleveland in the World Series.
Greg Maddox doing his thing for somehow, some reason, even
though it's Game one. See to me, I love It's
not in the pantheon of great World Series games when.

Speaker 3 (02:23:52):
You talk about it. I love this, though I think
it could be. I think it's just maybe forgotten to
the history of time, especially because of the strike ninety four,
the shortened season in ninety five, the controversy that just
goes on around in that era. Yeah, you know, in
a lot of these people that were watching baseball in
that time probably you know you talked about it during

(02:24:15):
the playback, is a lot of these like Expo fans
probably don't consider this like fair real.

Speaker 1 (02:24:22):
World side, even though we're not in it. Yeah, and
as you know, the expos of ninety five, the bloom
was off the road right. The end was near a
decade later, but you could feel there was something right.

Speaker 3 (02:24:32):
And that's the thing is like I feel like, so
there's just controversy and drama that goes on with it,
But I still think that if you look past that,
if you're just a baseball fan, someone like myself who's
not involved with either of these teams, it feels like,
how could you not like this game?

Speaker 7 (02:24:45):
It was?

Speaker 3 (02:24:45):
It was a good game. There was there was the
long ball, there's you know, hits, there's stealing bases, there's defensiveness, stealing.

Speaker 1 (02:24:53):
Basic defensive miscues.

Speaker 3 (02:24:55):
Yeah, everything in this game that you could want, you
get it all, and you get a great broadcraft broadcast
with it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
So I just thought, I think it ages well. I
I say, El Michael's, Jim Palmer and Tim McCarver. So
you got Al, Tim and Jim and Tim. I also El,
Jim and Tim. I forgot to mention I want to
do Al, Tim and Jim. I wanted to give a
couple of honorable mentions for some categories. I forgot chillis moment.
Forgot to mention the blimp shot shot. I'm always upsetting

(02:25:22):
it looks like a by the way, because these ballparks,
these stadiums, you know what they're modeled after. They're modeled
after coliseums from a bygone era of the the ancient
Greece time.

Speaker 3 (02:25:33):
And well, that's what sports is, essentially, that's what it is.
We're the spectators who are paying to see these essentially
gladiators duel it out like the best of the best
at what they do. And that's what it was back
in these Greek and Roman times. I only have one question,
are you not entertained for real? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (02:25:54):
You know where I was going with that. The game
one of the nineteen ninety five World Series goes Atlanta's way,
We're gonna have games two, three, four, five, and six.

Speaker 3 (02:26:02):
You can change, you can what is it we talked
about the what choose.

Speaker 1 (02:26:06):
Your own ending?

Speaker 3 (02:26:07):
Yeah, chew, you can choose your own.

Speaker 1 (02:26:08):
Ending and see how that went. Anyway, We're gonna have
more editions of this on the playback. And for by
the way, this does not air the day of the
nineteen ninety five or thirty years to the date, because
we already had or we already have the We have
this coming early because on the twenty first of October,

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which is a.

Speaker 3 (02:26:31):
More days away.

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
We have the fiftieth anniversary of Game six of the
nineteen seventy five World Series between the Boston Red Sox
and the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 3 (02:26:42):
That one's gonna be exciting, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
And then we've got Games two, three, four, or five
and six of the World Series for nineteen ninety five.
We also have Classic Monday Night Football every single Monday
in the entire duration of the NFL season. We're still
it's it's I love doing that. We're doing that all
the way until the end of December. We've got that
Thanksgiving game between Randy Moss and the Minnesota Vikings and

(02:27:06):
Emmitt Smith and the Dallas Cowboys of nineteen ninety eight
where Randy Moss wants to talk to John Badden.

Speaker 3 (02:27:12):
Oh he does that, well, Randy, that game is incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:27:16):
We're gonna have that one on Thanksgiving Day, by the way.
And also we've got the Muhammad Ali versus Chuck Webner fight,
the template for Rocky essentially, that's going to be coming
on the playback in December. Also, the Miracle on Ice
nineteen eighty. It was the greatest say versus USSR.

Speaker 3 (02:27:36):
Honestly, if we did bet this like poll, yeah, or
a playback playa call you playbackers out there. I feel
like the nineteen eighty miracle on ice call might might
be like the greatest sports call of all time. Like
if we gave people like a write in, like give
us your best sports call ever, that one's probably number one.

(02:27:58):
That'd probably get the most demand. I mean American broadcasting
in general. I mean, yes, it doesn't. It doesn't get
like any better than that, so that one will be exciting.
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