The Playback #28---Monday Night Football Classics---Los Angeles Raiders at Seattle Seahawks---1987

Bo knew Primetime!  In this classic edition of Monday Night Football, Jay Dawg & CJ look back on the LA Raiders taking on the Seattle Seahawks in the Emerald City from 1987.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is a production of the Pulse podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In this edition of the Playback, J Dogg and CJ
look back on the Bo Jackson game. The Los Angeles
Raiders based the Seattle Seahawks on November thirtieth, nineteen eighty seven,
from the Kingdome in Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
At one time, these two teams were rivals siege, the
Seahawks and the Raiders. Not anymore because the Seahawks moved
on to the end. See there's Tom Flora's Super Bowl
winning head coach for the Los Angeles Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's wild in my lifetime. Yes, I don't think, correct
me if I'm wrong. Maybe I don't remember when they
moved back to Oakland ninety five.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I was gonna say so.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I guess one year they were the Los Angeles Ragers.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
In my Los Angeles the Seahawks hat hold on when
you get the shot on it. Look at this. Look
at the TV numbers too. It just wore these recently. Yes,
I was gonna say that hat. Yeah, Seattle Seahawks. No logo,
just words.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
And it's not even like those those like snapbacks that
say like in the small letters like Los Angeles and then.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Big letters charge.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
It just it literally just looks like a generic hat
that just Seattle and then Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
The TV numbers of the Seahawks, they don't look like
this anymore. The retro uniforms. They shrunk the numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, and the uh there's Dave Blitz Craig the stadium
here by the way, big shout out to the stadium,
the King, don't Yeah, former home of the Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
And the Seattle Seahawks. Yeah they Yeah, Kurt Warnon, not that,
Kurt Warner, Mike Tice, eventual Minnesota Vikings head coach, right,
Steve Largent. Yeah, the Hall of Famer at one time,
the greatest Seattle Seahawks of them all, who do you
think passes? I think it's us now, yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
You don't think it's any of those defending Seattle Seahawks
players like a Sherman or Cam Chancellor, Bobby Wagner.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Maybe not a big no. Okay, they were great, don't
get me wrong. And some of those guys are right
into the Hall of Fame. Speaking of Hall of Fame,
Howie Long, right, Yeah, there we go, yep. Matt Millen, Howie.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Long, one of my favorite Raiders of all time. His son, Yeah,
won a Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Van McElroy, Mike Haynes. This nineteen eighty seven Raiders team, again,
this was a strike shortened season. Anyway, weren't all that good.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, at the in the pregame before we hopped on
the mic when we were getting the video started, they
talked about what the I think they said like the
Raiders were like I'd lost seven.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
In a row or something like that. So Dave blitz Craig,
he was the longtime Seattle Seahawks quarterback, and his starting
lineup action figure, they screwed up his he doesn't have
facial air. They gave him Dan Fouts as a head
for facial air. The first year of starting lineup in
nineteen eighty eight, they gave him essentially Dan Feuts's head

(03:36):
because they didn't have a Dan Feuts figure because he
had retired I think prior to the nineteen eighty eight
NFL season, so they had to essentially improvise. So Van
McElroy actually one of the tough one of the tougher
starting lineup action figures to find now very expensive.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I love the classic look of the Raiders. It's timeless.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
This is not the silver and black because they're not home.
So essentially it's the road which you get the gray
and you get the you get black on the jersey.
In terms of in terms of the numbers, it's the
white and black today essentially white and silver. Yes, Ruben Rodriguez.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
What whatever happened to people naming people Ruben? Like it
became it became a sandwich and then they just they're like,
we can't name people.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
People after sandwiches like Herb. Herb. Now, yeah, I know
that ball took a bounce. My teacher said, Herb's a guy.
You date. Herbs are what you take. I was back
in the nineties, Yeah, the swinging nineties, back in the
swinging ninety about that. Speaking of another tough starting line

(04:43):
of action, figure to find Mark Wilson is damn near impossible. Really, Yeah,
for a quarterback, it's the crouching position. I love that.
I love that Poe's look at the rookie bow Jets,
look at the one to of course you have Todd Christian's,
I have his starting line, James Jimmy Lofton.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Marcus Allen also, yeah, yeah, yeah, little did they know
that these would be two of the greatest running backs
of all time. Bo would bow could have been. It's
just always what could have been? Not so that the bar,
that's the bass. Brian Bosworth when an legendary defender, one
of the Seattle greats. I feel like he's probably fallen

(05:23):
down on the list of grades a lot because of
the talented defenses they've had in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
The BA is a rookie. Yeah, yep. Where did he
go to college? I don't know. Oklahoma? Oh, okay, can
he easily? Okay? I think it is a Hall of Famer.
If I'm not mistaken, I'll double check real quick, pretty

(05:48):
sure that he is. Was it complete? Yeah? Okay, that's right. Yeah.
I think it was posthumously put in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
He's a five time pro bowler, three time All Pro.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
No, I think Ken Riley was put in posthumously. I
think easily still alive, says he's sixty six. Okay, gotcha
at press time? Yeah, Dokie Williams out of UCLA. Nobody's
naming their kids. Do about to say, what happened to
people naming their kids? Dokie? I've never heard that name
before in my life. Better than Dukie. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
True, I wouldn't want to be named Dukie.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Unless you went to Duke, right, yeah, Dukie. P Marcus Allen.
Super Bowl MVP Marcus Allen back in January of nineteen
eighty four against Washington.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Now, you you always and you almost corrected me, not
corrected me, but like said something to me earlier. But
I know you're not as high on bo Jackson as
everyone else just because his career was This.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Man cannot get through a broadcast without saying the word
e folks. You see what I got to put up
with here. Okay, you were saying with bow.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, you're you're not as high as most people with
Bo Jackson because I know that his.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Career didn't have much of a career, right right, right?
Do you? I I honestly think that I liked him
playing baseball more than I did football. I think Marcus Allen.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
What my point I'm trying to make is I feel
like he's one of the most underrated running backs ever
because of all the hype that Bo Jackson steals from
that era of the Raiders. Like, I'm not saying that
it's deserving. I'm saying I think Marcus Allen's underrated. I
think that.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Bow's rated properly now as the years have gone on.
Bow's image in that sense is isn't as much as
it's It's because you know where I went to college, right, bo, Yeah,
not of Auburn. I did know that. Actually, yeah, yeah,
I have a starting lineup with the Raiders and with Auburn,
and I have him with the Kansas City Royals and

(07:54):
the Chicago White Sox.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Oh damn yeah, I didn't even know he played for
the White Sox. I thought he only played.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
For the Royal. Nope, he played for the Royals, the Angels,
the White Sox. Let's see it both finally fumbled. Are
they gonna say he's down?

Speaker 3 (08:13):
No, now they're giving it to cut fumble. Wow, the
struggling Raiders struggle on. Also, I gotta say love that
Howie Long wears number seventy five. I was kind of
off when I was younger on like the seventies, being
on defense, like on the defensive line. But the more

(08:34):
I watch older games, watch people like see he kind
of looked like he was down there.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
And in this in today's day and age, I think
he would have been down. But again, this was nineteen
eighty seven. You don't get the benefit of the down.
There's Kirk. Is that Kurt Warner? Not that Kurt Warner.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
But the thing I was saying is, as I watch
older games, a lot of these defensive linemen, Howie Long,
people like Bruce Smith, they wore like a seven number
seity love that kind of like how he Long rocks
seventy five.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like I wouldn't couldn't any other I couldn't imagine wearing
number ninety five.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, like a ninety six or something like or like
a even like a fifty five.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
It just wouldn't look the same, right like his acting career,
who just wouldn't how uh? How do you feel about
how he has like a not a broadcaster but a
h studio analyst.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, I think he's pretty good in the studio. I
think he's a lot better than TB. Like Bradshaw. I
think that he's passed.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
His Terry Bradshaw probably after this year has gotta he's
got to hang it up. I probably.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I feel like TB was better when I was young,
But like it's it's just.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
E B twelve. There's already a TV twelve. Yeah, he's
the original TV twelve the og TB. Yeah, OGTB.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, look at this stadium. It's arena. I don't know
what I should STUDI stadium.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, they don't have arenas in football unless you play
arena football.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, it seems like it's like a it's like almost
like an arena. That the turf here, it's not even
it's like carpet. It just looks like a mate they
laid down pretty much.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's what it is. That's what astro turf is. Do
you like that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
The long Seahawks right there on the sideline, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know the set Seahawks logos model after a mask? Right?
Is that from?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Is that like the like the plague masks that they
used to have or I think so.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
I didn't know that, but in ancient times it looks
just like it too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well now that you say something, I can. That's why
I was able to pick it up right now.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Not a happy looking Seahawks, No, no ah, what is is?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I've never even seen is our Seahawks only like West Coast?

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Like, do we have Seahawks? We have sea goals here? Yes, Well,
the cheerleaders are called the Sea Gals. That's funny. I
love that. That's funny.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Kurt Warner with a c little did he know he's
gonna he wasn't gonna be able to google himself anymore.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
You have to put Kurt Warner with a sea and
put Seahawks. Yeah, because Kurt Warner, the quarterback did not play.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Even I feel like even if I type in Kurt
Warner with a Sea, it's still going to come up
with like it all be like, did you mean so
it's nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, it's a November game later
in the season, shortly after Thanksgiving or strike over Yeah,

(11:34):
no more strike across his body across the field.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Dave Blitz Craig, Oh, I have John Williams John L.
Williams his starting lineup as well. I like that.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I like that it says John L. Williams. Is there
another John Williams on the I.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Think he just wants to differentiate from the conductor. Yes,
even back then, Star Wars just dropped a couple of years. Well, no,
the Star Wars, Star Wars dropping with.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
The eight of the Well he was doing other stuff,
well John Williams, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, dude does everything
I know.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I actually got sick of these uniforms for the Seahawks
in the late nineties, they started to look like junior varsity.
Well yeah, they almost looked like they look like compared
to the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Especially, they've got like that like see through mesh where
it's like almost like a high school jersey.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's like very almost low. This is fine for its
time because it was the eighties. Yeah, they had the
TV numbers, you know what they call them TV numbers
because they're bigger, right, because the Jets they perfected the
TV numbers. What they're they're back to that. Oh that
was a nice.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Past to turner, that one from the Blitz Greig.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
You know. But as as I said, as the years
went on in the late nineties and like can you
guys change this man? And they did they did. So
what did you think of that origin change? Because you
remember the original, the the Sean Alexander Seahawks, like that
coming like like the dark navy blue, yeah till yeah,
like with yeah, yeah, it's almost like a steel blue. Yeah.

(13:11):
Because they wore those home uniforms in the Super Bowl
against the Steelers. Those I liked.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Those I got old of real quick, like, but like
I couldn't picture russ in a in a in that uniform.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, they were going to do that, then they decided
to switch it up what they were now, which is
few to me. It looks futuristic.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I like their new stuff. Yeah, and I like the
retro jerseys that they like.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Like we said, they they just against Tampa Bay. They
did that because the Tampa Bay Bucks are wearing the white. Yeah,
they were their creamsicles. I wish they wouldn't call them
creamsicles when it's away. When it's away, but you could
call them like the Sherbets or something like that. Creamsicle
I think is when they were like the entire orange. Yeah. Yeah,

(13:56):
they're not going to do that in twenty twenty five.
It's like it's like a diet sun kissed jersey. Yeah,
so you go from creamsicle to sun kiss yeah, diet
sun kiss yeah. Yeah, don't wear the diet sunkissed where
the creamsicle.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I like the Seattle throwbacks though that they wear now.
But it's I don't like the color rush ones they wore.
We were talking about this really the neon, the neon
like highlighter green. I'm not a fan of those at all,
Like the I almost I associate them with like a
Tyler Lockett, Doug Baldwin, like those like kind of that

(14:31):
era of the Seahawks, back when they had Golden Tate,
who I forget played for the Seahawks that.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
We saw Golden Tate with a controversial catch if you remember.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yes, in the Seahawks uniform, not in this uniform. No, Yeah,
I missed these shots these like.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well remember if this is nine pm, this is what
six pm in Seattle right in November. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
I like this this camera angle though, this like almost
like weird panoramic fish eye lens where it's like peering
up from the corner of the stadium.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh yeah, this is I miss those day.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I feel like they don't have those shots in like
today's games nowadays.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Like I feel like we don't get to see that.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
That's like an early two thousands is when it kind
of phased out. Slamming headphones around here. Excuse me, we're
getting some live footage here from.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
The Seattle game.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
It looked like they were this is someone It seems
like it's someone sitting in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
It like changed lenses for a second. Now if you notice,
if you, yeah, they're having technical issues. Yeah, if you noticed,
the Seahawks no longer have that line. Yeah, it's again,
it's a regular silver there's it's it's well, it's it
matches the helmet. The silver stripe. There's no like color

(15:58):
to it. It's just the silver stripe on today's helmets.
They don't have that anymore because they have kind of
the open holes for.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
The Yeah, the way the helmets are designed with like
the the breathe, like the breathe ability to the helmet
and stuff like that, and they're just different designs and stuff.
Do you have like a favorite helmet like that you've
ever seen, or like a you have like someone that
sticks out like I know, like Brian Burns a couple
of years ago for the Giants when he was on
the Panthers, he had like a Spider Man face mask

(16:28):
or something. Fletcher Cox one of my favorite players. He uh,
he wore like a cool d lineman, you know, bunch
of like a cool face mask. Is there like a
helmet that sticks out to you in time or anything
like that?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Nothing to me, leave it alone, don't add anything to it.
You're not You're just a man of simple taste. You
just you don't need you don't need much jayd Dogg
wants the simplicity in life. Too much, too much stuff
muddies the waters. Just don't overdo it. Yeah, that's all.
That's all I asked, don't overdo it? Do you know?

(17:02):
Bo Jackson was drafted by no, the Tampa Bay Bucks.
Really it was a supplemental draft.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
So supplemental, like you mean like the same thing that
like Terrell Pryor was drafted in.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
What was it? So?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
What was it like an additional pick that the Raiders
got or why wasn't I.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Believe it was a money issue. And Hugh culver House said, Okay,
what do you mean like a money issue? Like there
was like a a salary cap issue or something spright,
So what do you mean like a money issue? They
wanted he wanted wanted money, lots of it.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Really, Yeah, And so no one would draft him in
the regular draft.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
No. When I'm saying no, when he was drafted by
the Tampa Bay Bucks, it was you know, you got
to pay me all. He had these terms and conditions
that Hugh culver House was in no no position to
agree to. So he's just like, we're gonna draft this guy.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
And then He's like, yeah, you're gonna have to pay
me the entire salary, and they're like, we don't want
this guy anymore.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
We'll get someone else's trade to the Los Angeles Raiders.
I'll play baseball, Okay, play baseball? Then, no, what are
we doing? Bo knows how to drop the ball. Apparently
in Kansas City that would be an E seven. Now,

(18:28):
Michael's just said, that's great. In kids a city, that
would be an E seven. That is so good.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
That's one of the best lines I've heard on the
playback so far.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
That's great. That's that's great because he was playing for
the Kansas City Royals as well. That's wild too, that
he played for Deon Sanders did it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
But Dion played for Atlanta and Atlanta, didn't he? Yes,
he played for like the Braves and the filt played
he played for more than Yeah, I know, but he
played for two teams at the like in the same spot, right,
like playing for LA and then playing for Kansas City.
What do you have two homes? I mean, yeah, not
like Bo can't afford it. I'm assuming, especially when you're

(19:14):
a professional athlete in two different sports, you're probably making
a good amount of money.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Plus he was one of the endorsers of Oh he.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Was big Nike you got oh yeah, And he was
part of the tech Moobil. Wasn't he like wasn't he
like the mascot in the like? Was it the Techmobil
or like some some masscot Like wasn't he like the
face of like some like game.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, maybe it wasn't Techmobile, but it was like some
football game that looked like a helmet to helmet nineteen
eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
No one had a clue what concussions are. I was like,
is he concussed or you know, he just tripped? Can
you get up? Because look at it? Look at this hit.
Dokie Williams got watch.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
It wasn't helmet to helmet, but he got like pulled
down at a weird angle.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
He's fine though, Okay, he did not get no jacked up. Okay,
it's common. Someone's catching one, someone's getting Oh my gosh,
what a dart. Lofton's a Hall of Famer for a reason, folks.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
No, not Kenny Lofton. That's a different Lofting, Jimmy Lofton. Yeah,
pretty much playing center field out there.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Like Kenny laston the Green Bay Packers years for Lofton
in the early eighties. You know Ja Dog reminiscences Raiders, Packers, bills,
James Lofton. They weren't.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
They weren't giving him the Jimmy on the is wow
wide open? Yeah cooked the I think the safety.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Right down the middle. Seven to seven now, first quarter,
so some highest scoring offense here, a little octane going on.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Two minutes thirty three sevens left in the first I
forgot Seattle went down and scored already.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
They did it well like Craig had the.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, they did it so quickly. Yeah, both of the
teams moving fast. This is uh interesting the broadcast here,
it's like there's no commercials, but they're keeping.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
The footage roll feed.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, so they just cut the audio and there's no commercials.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
We know to thank for that.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, thank you to YouTube channel Raider Rob aka the
Raider Tapes.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yes, Raider Rob has all sorts of Raiders games through
seventies eighties, not he's got as much as you know
he doesn't. Hopefully Raider Rob does again in trouble for
that because there are crackdowns every now and then from
the leagues and or partners that will. We've had that
happen one time where we had a video ready to

(22:10):
go for cal Ripkens uh three, and then right as
we went to go through it and thirty first.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, when we went to go watch the video was gone. Yeah,
they got it. So we were able to bad boys
bad boys do when they Raider tapes. Yeah, the Lost
Raiders of the Lost Tapes.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yes, whether they be Los Angeles, Oakland or Las Vegas,
I'm go ahead. They were the Los Angeles Raiders the
eighties all the way until nineteen ninety five. They played
at the Coliseum. That's cool. Yeah, I want to go
to the Coliseum so bad. I have a lot of

(22:54):
college football teams. I'm a big fan of you know.
I've watched college football my whole life, even though I
didn't really get into it as much as I am
until I moved down south. But my sister's.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
A Georgia Bulldog, so I root for Georgia. I was
in the Navy, so I root for Navy. But growing up,
I was a big fan of UCLA. I always thought
it was really cool, and I love the Colisseum. I
think it's such a cool stadium.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
As you know, UCLA does not play in the Colisseum.
They No, No, it's a USC plays in the Coliseum.
I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
UCLA plays at the Rose Bowl, correct, is what I
was thinking of. I'm getting the Colosseum in the Rose
Bowl mixed up.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
The Rose Bowl is just that's the stadium that I
was thinking of. The Colosseum is still a great I.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like the Colisseum, yeah, road, but the Rose Bull is
the stadium I was thinking, because you.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Know what what's great about it is you've probably seen
it in pictures. Right when they take that wide shot,
you can see like a snow capped mountain way on
the back. I don't you don't get that at the Colisseum.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I like the Coliseum, but yeah, the Rose Bull is
what I was thinking of. I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
So the Raiders played at the Colisseum, Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
And as did the Rams. The game that we're going
to do to end the season, yes, the highest scoring
game in Monday Night football history. Yeah, a little sneak
peak there. Yeah, it's not going to be for Yeah
we're in what October? Now, that's not until December.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, we still got a while, but that'll be a
good one. I'm excited and that game is really good
and the Coliseum's just a fun stadium still, like I said,
but yeah, I was getting it mixed up with the.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Rose Bowl, the rose Buls, how dare you? I know?

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, I like the Rose Bowl because I got to
watch it growing up, like back when the Rose Bowl
was a game, you know, when the was a bowl game.
So the Rose Bowl out in Pasadena is one of
my favorites. But the Coliseum's also on my you know list.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
You can get one hundred and ten thousand people at
the Coliseum, one hundred thousand. It's crazy to me that
college football can somehow get more seats and like stadiums
are bigger for college football than they are for some
of these NFL states. Well, the NFL essentially the owners
own the stadium, whereas the community owns. Yes, so they can.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, it's like the NFL owners have to like front
that money essentially for their.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Flores is eight and eight versus Seattle, that's crazy. They
play at the time, they played twice a year, Yeah,
because they were division rivals. It is crazy to me
that the Seahawks were AFC. There was a time, Yeah,
and they weren't very good.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
If you had to pick two teams to move to
the AFC, say we get two teams in the NFL
and they want to put both of them in the NFC. Yeah,
what two teams would you move to the AFC? And
you can tell me where you think these new teams
are going to. I think we've discussed it before. I
think Portland is one of the big landing spots for

(25:45):
a potential NFL team in the future and creating a
rivalry with like the Seahawks and stuff like that, like Portland, Oregon.
But where would you what teams would you move to
the AFC if you had to pick.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Two had to move to the AFC.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, Like, imagine we're relocating. You got to realign the
league they're gonna put. I would probably treat it like baseball.
What you think you would move the teams back that
we're already there, Like you think the Seahawks should go
back to the AFC if they have to move one.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
So that means the Tampa Bay Rays as well, Because.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
So you think the Bucks should go back to the
AFC or go to the AFC. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, Okay,
that'd be weird seeing the Bucks in the AFC. I
feel like the Seahawks I could.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I believe Actually the first year the Bucks were in
the AFC and the Seahawks were in the NFC, and
then they switched. Really, I think so you might want
to check on that. Nineteen seventy six, I think, yeah,
well it's Craig Nope, hold on, I'm looking it up.

(27:00):
Al Davis hated the Seahawks. No, why why? Because they
wore silver. Davis felt the only team that should wear
silver is the correct.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Is there any other teams that wear silver?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Now? The Carolina Panthers who've been sued by the Raiders
for wearing silver because they've w weren silver and black.
Oh really yeah? And only one team should wear silver
and black. You know there's different shades of silver. Al.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
You know, Al only had the twelve twelve grand box
growing up. They didn't they had eight grands.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
He didn't he didn't have the sixty four grand box
with the built in cran.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
There are a lot of teams that were Fusia and marigold.
How about this? Look at this college basketball.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Premieer Notre Dame versus Louisville, Indiana versus Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
You didn't know ABC did college basketball, did you No?
But I I, well, I guess I always thought CBS
did college basketball.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Like I feel like they have had like March madness
in like a.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, they've well, they've had stranglehold, they've had all they've
had March badness since I want to say the at
least the nineties and eighties. Oh, I was gonna say, yeah,
at least you know, where was it before that? You know, no,
Nbay was it? NBC. CBS has had it for a

(28:31):
long time, by the way.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, in nineteen seventy six, the Buccaneers did start in
the AFC West.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
AFC West, Yes.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
And then the Seahawks were in the NFC West. Then
for the nineteen seventy seven season, the Seahawks moved to
the AFC West and the Bucks moved to the NFC Central.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, okay, yep, that's crazy. Tampa Bay Bucks playing in
the a f C West one year.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Only I wonder if there's like gear that says like
Bucks AFC West or something like.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Stuff like that's going to go for a lot. What's
their schedule in seventy six? Check that out. The Tampa
Bay Bucks first quarter is over. They're tied at seven.
Look at this Taco time. I gotta go there.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I could eat some taco time right now. It's about
to be taco time when I'm done with the playback.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
But it's not Taco Tuesday. It's Monday.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
That's true, that's true. Maybe I'll have to wait. We'll
have to extend taco time until tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
For Taco Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, the nineteen seventy six Bucks schedule.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, here we go. Look at this. The scoreboard guy's like, now,
let's take it off. Now, let's put it back on.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
The technical difficulties here in nineteen eighty seven are not good. No,
ABC having some coverage issues. And we've seen older Monday
night footballs than this that had better coverage or better,
not better coverage, but better like no tecto issues.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, better production. Maybe this is why they don't go
to Seattle as much. The Kingdom couldn't handle it. I love.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
By the way, there's a giant Marlborough sign. It's as
it's bigger than the Jumbo Tron. They're like these smoke cigarettes.
Here's the game, like smoke cigarettes first, then here's football.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Then go to Texico. Yeah, fill up. Then then taco time.
Fill up, smoke up and have some tacos.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Oh did you know this before you had me look
up the schedule for nineteen seventy six, you already knew
about the Bucks.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
They went over fourteen. Yeah, they were, they were. They
were the Yuccaneers. Yeah, I didn't know that was that year,
the Tampa Bay Yuccaneers their expansion year. Yeah, oh good.
What did they play?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
They played Houston, San Diego, Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincy, Seattle. They
played Seattle and lost thirteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Okay, so an expansion team beat an expansion team. They
lost to Miami.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Damn when they got They got outscored in the first
two weeks in the actually, in the first three weeks
they got outscored fifty seven to nine. They scored seventeen
points in week four, but their opponents scored forty two.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Wow. What else do they play? Miami?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
What is Kate andna her cant kay and I it's
k A N my I somehow developed developed dyslexia. In
the last like ten seconds. They lost to Denver. They
got shellacked by the Jets thirty four to nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
They lost it right here, bo bow animal.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
They yeah, got shut out by the Jets. Lost of
the Browns lost to Oakland. When did they move to Vegas?
I believe no or not? When did they move to
Los Angeles?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Eighty two or eighty three? Okay, so they were Oakland
at the time. Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
They lost forty two to nothing to Pittsburgh. And New
England's abbreviation is nwe.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yes, which is stupid. If you're gonna do it, make
it ne ep.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Why wouldn't you just do N E W for new
for New England?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Why would what? It doesn't make any sense. Oh that
that's gonna be illegal. You can't play football these jacked

(33:01):
that's gonna be illegal. You can't play You can't play
football and be allowed to hit the catcher. That has
to be illegal. Look at they're showing his baseball statistics.
That's cool. That is cool.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Do you think we'll see another two sport athlete in
our lifetime?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
We almost had Kyler Murray because he was drafted by
the A's. Same with Russ, and we had Russ play
spring training games.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
So we technically had like we had t Bow try
out for baseball.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
You made it to Triple A. He didn't playing two
sports at the same time. Right, that was after he
had retired from from the NFL.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, and Jordan played baseball, but again only made it
to like double A triple A. Like, never made it
to the majors. So it's not like too professional, like
he was a minor leaguer. He was like a I
technically you're if you're a minor leagueer, you're still a
professional athlete. You're getting paid to be You're getting paid
to play. But it's not like the majors. It's not

(33:58):
pro level. You're not pulling a Yeah. There is a
game where Dion Enbow Yankees Royals play each other. Yeah,
oh cool, Yeah, I think they both hit two home
runs in the game. That's cool, like inside the park
for Dion and then Bow didn't need to do no
inside the park. You know you've seen you've seen Bow
hit home runs, right, I've seen No, I don't know

(34:21):
if I've actually seen like really any I've seen for
baseball footage. I've seen like him when he runs up
the wall, and then I've seen him snap the bat. Yeah, yeah,
when he snaps the bat over his head. That that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
When he played for the Angels, Yeah, that's he doesn't
even it's little effort. He's literally just and just that's
how strong he was. I know, well it's bow knows waits.
It's so unfortunate, like the injuries that like hip injury
the football. The hip injury ended his football career as
the years went on. It also ended his baseball.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Career well because he had like a doesn't he have
like uh, he had like something that was like a
digit initative bone disease or something. Yeah, that's so unfortunate. Yeah,
that is like the one thing. It's like, you never
wish for an injury on anyone. As the Raiders are
carrying off one of their own as we speak, you
never wish for an injury. And it's just really unfortunate

(35:15):
to watch like some of the most talented athletes in
the world that like just lose their career to such
unfortunate things, like Derek Rose as a good athlete, that
comes to mind when you think of a career ruined
by injuries.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Obviously d Rose, you.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Know, went on to he was an the youngest MVP
ever in NBA history and had such a promising future
and then lost it in bo Jackson.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Where do you go to college Derek Rose.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, he went to Memphis. Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Steveeve Smith not that and Steve Smith, I saw son.
He's gonna have to isolate. Yeah, rookie Steve Smith for
the Raiders here in eighty seven. Do you love the
graphic of the football with the number? I like that.
I do like that. This should Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
It reminds me of like, I don't know if you
you know backyard football. Yeah, I played that growing up,
and they that game. Yeah, and it's uh making a
comeback actually right now. The they it's they had similar
graphics in the game that were like that, with like
the football and the numbers on it and stuff like that.
So that that's cool. It's like nostalgic almost. I wonder
if they like maybe stole, like the idea for that

(36:25):
inspire Yeah, not stole, but like its.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Inspired by the idea of Monday Night Football in the
late eighties.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, just because that game came out in like the
early nineties. Yesh, uh, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
So do you like these Raider uniforms better than their
silver nut You've seen those, right, No, I like the
silver ones. I think the silver are cool.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
I'm talking about right, yeah, yeah, there's silver with the
black numbers instead of being white silver numbers.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, they're like they're like.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
The Raiders color rush almost, but it's not a color
rush direct.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah. Yeah. The Saints the same, you know.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, like the I like the Raiders one better than
the Saints.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I think that the Raiders uniforms they haven't changed that
much throughout time. I like those like silver on silver,
like silver on white almost, like, yeah, those are cool.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
They're they're like the classic AFL uniforms.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Right, that's what they are, yes, what they're going forward
because that's what that was actually, those Raiders colors in
the sixties.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
It was the like AFL anniversary uniforms. When what year
was that that the AFL started. No, like, well, they
did like a anniversary for it in like the early
two thousand, two.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Thousand and nine was nine, it was nineteen, it was
the seasons of it. Nineteen sixty was the first. Were
essentially doing like fifty fifty years of the the AFL.
Now the AFL doesn't exist anymore, right, It merged with
the NFL in nineteen seventy one, I believe, or seventy
into seventy one. That's why it wasn't called the Super Bowl.
It was called the AFL NFL Championship.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, that's why people like the Eagles only have two
Super Bowl wins because they were champions.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Four Feld champions. Yeah, they still are counted as NFL champions, right,
but it's not a super Bowl. There's a Super Bowl champ.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Raiders knocking on the door. Bo out from the backfield.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
We're trying, oh.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
The touchdown out of the backfield.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Bow nos catching.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
When I when I was in high school, I worked
at Nike and we had T shirts that said bow
nose even then, well it said like bow.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Knows best and yeah that was when he was well retired.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I was in That was probably like twenty ten
to twenty eleven, when I worked at early two thousands,
when I worked at night, early two tens. Yeah, in
the in the early aughts, as they say, I know
they're there, Yes, they're in the early twenty tens.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, the Oughts are oh oda, yeah before we're not British.
Knock it off, not you, I'm saying when they call
him the naughty addies, like no, they don't shut up,
shut up, shut up. Brett shut.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And the Raiders take the lead. I need to figure
out this ref's name. He's been in like every game.
He is literally like the Monday Night football ref in
the eighties. Yeah, eighties all the way up into like
early nineties.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeh, he's the guy.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
He's the gene sterotor of that time. Jean Jeans gene
I don't know, Jean Jim, Jean Jean.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Jim. Yeah, that's so good. Fourteen seven second quarter bo
getting in the end zone catching.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, big receiving touchdown there from a guy that isn't
necessarily known for being a.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Receiver only when he catches the ball the baseball. Yeah,
that's cool that they they had his stats up there.
So yeah. Do you think we'll ever see another two
way athlete? Well, if sho he wants to play football.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Well there's discussions about like someone like Anthony Edwards playing
football like basketball players. Do you think there could be
a basketball player to ever play.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
No, I'll tell you why they can't. They can't do that.
Why the injury risk is just too much. Baseball is
a safer sport. Play baseball, Play baseball.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Do you think that we'll ever see like a basketball
athlete play baseball, Like, like, what do you if someone's
gonna play two sports? If like, do you think we'll
see an athlete from basketball play two sports football?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Like do you think it'll be like a Michael Jordan situation. No,
we'll have the baseball We're gonna have the baseball football model,
like the Bo Jackson model or the Dion Yeah, we'll
have that. I don't again and foot basketball into baseball,
that's fine, but basketball into football? No, Like do you
think we could see Yeah, you don't.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
You don't think that, Like, I mean, there's a lot
of football players that like come from basketball.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Back Donovan McNabb played basketball at Syracuse. Antonio, Uh, Antonio Gates. Yes,
I was gonna say Gibson, but yes, Antonio Gates is
what I was trying to think of. Antonio, Tony Gonzalez, Yeah,
another played basketball at cal Berkeley another one, and Julius
Peppers at North Carolina. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
So I mean there's a lot of a lot of
those guys are d ns or like tight ends. Yeah, bigger,
bigger guys, you know, and and people forget that basketball
players are bigger than football players.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Denzel Washington said the best basketball players are athletes like
baseball players. Some are athletes for the most part. Yeah
what baseball players?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
You got people like Prince Fielder and David Ortiz.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
You know they're not They're not playing football. Don't get
me wrong. I love David Artist. I'm a huge Red Sox.
Feel like Prince Fielder too, and I like Prince field
But those guys aren't getting out on the football field.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
There's no way it's not happening. There was in the
World Baseball Classic.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
That's cool. A little shot here for next week. Next week,
we're not doing Jets Dolphins, by the way, just to
give you the hell. Oh come on, Actually we are
doing Jets Dolphins, but from two thousand. Oh okay, I'm
excited for that one. We are doing Jets Dolphins, but
not then, not the nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, does when
Prince Fielder, I remember when he would hit all home

(42:33):
run Remember I used to do, what does Prince Fielder
work at the home depot? Because he just brought out
the lumber.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I feel like, I don't know, I feel like we
could see like a you don't think you could see.
You don't think a football player would go and play
basketball like you don't think there's a good enough like.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
The next Lebron. No football want they want football players
breaking their legs in football, not basketball. Okay, okay, I'm.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Just saying I feel like because Lebron could play football,
but at the same time, like.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Lebron could do everything but hit a baseball. Yeah, I
saw him do wiffleball.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Well, I mean I think I as we're talking about it,
you know, there's Steve Largent finally getting a catch as
we're talking about it. It is funny that not all
baseball players are athletes. Some of them are athletes, like
you just said, but probably one of the hardest things
to do in professional sports is to hit a baseball. Yes,

(43:40):
like an MLB pitcher's pitch, like probably one of the hardest.
You could have a hundred chances, and you probably would
strike out at least ninety nine times.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
You might get one hit like maybe, but third eleven
for the might have a friend that calls him the
Sea chickens.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Chickens stepping up and stepping out is.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Is Craig Dave Blitz, Craig, I'm.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Just gonna eat it and get better field position. They
need to get in too largent more. That's their problem.
The obvious answer, get the ball into your best offensive
player's hands.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Steve Largent, see if Chris is out of the woods,
here we go. See supplemental draft from Auburn. Ye like
and was picked by Tampa Bay. Yeah, him and bow
are former teammates from Auburn's current teammates. Ruben like the sandwich,

(44:45):
getting ready to punt it? Did he fall? What a punt?
Yep at the five yard line? What a punt? The sandwich?
With the punt a sandwich, you're going to column the sandwich.

(45:10):
Be careful what you wish for, though, Seattle, be careful
what you wish for.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Ry bet Rye Bred Ruben run with the kick. Oh
my gosh, gave him the old punter Nickel.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'm sorry I had to. I couldn't resist. Oh that
was good. That was good, punter Nickel. Ruben with the
punter Nickel. Uh.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Last night totally off topic, but last night my wife
said some joke to me.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I can't even remember what it is.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
It is honestly not funny, but I couldn't stop laughing,
like an hour and a half. I had the giggles,
and I feel like that right now. Dude, that was
a good joke. That one got me cracked up. Sometimes
it's just nice to make yourself laugh.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
You just got cracked Oh that's good.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Seattle had an incredible punt there. I saw something today. Actually,
another off topic thing. I'm big into fantasy football. The
bet heeads know about the fantasy football. Uh, you play
backers should know about fantasy football. If if yeah, if
you don't, now it's uh, we'll talk about it real quick.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
But there's I saw a league.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
That's punters only, so you just draft punters and it's
just about getting.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I'm not going to be in that league me neither.
It is crazy though.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
There's the special teams in the NFL and the current
season has just been incredible and crazy. Colts kicker got
hurt earlier in the season. Raiders punter got hurt earlier
in the season.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Uh so record sixty three yard punt the sandwich with
an absolute leg. Okay, Raiders have work to do.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Sixty three yard punt. Have you seen the uh the
punt from Randall Cunningham. He had like a ninety one
yard punt.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Like a pooch punk.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, oh my gosh, right into the basket out of bounce.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Oh come on, hum hm, that's classic Raider football, is
that Dan that's said?

Speaker 1 (47:46):
That is? Yeah, dwarf, he had enough arm. He just.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
You mean, he put it right where he needed to
it just a little too much out side seven for
nine only a second in completion from Mark Wilson already
one hundred and thirty four yards and two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Mark with a C.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
That's a great stat line.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
So they're out of the danger zone now.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, but it's still not a comfortable spot. The gray cup, Yeah, true,
the gray Cup. I've never really tuned into college or

(48:37):
Canadian football college football.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
You've never seen a college football you never You've never
seen a Canadian college football game?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (48:43):
No, yeah, I really haven't seen any Canadian college.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Football, Canadian football the CFL. BO gets it. I guess what.
Oh yeah, you're gonna love this. Ready.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
He just ran by a Smokane Yep, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
He went into the tunnel. Yeah, he was flying, he
was it was like not yeah, I think I was
like ninety or ninety one yards. So I said, Seattle,
be careful what you wish for, because that could happen,
and it did.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
No flags, BO absolutely take it off from the nine
yard line. Yeah, watch this right here, his legs. Look
at his legs. He's just cooking.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
He could go all the way to the tunnel. Look
look it up and the Raiders was Now this is
before my time. Was Bo that guy in college? Like

(50:10):
he was that.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Previou It's not like people didn't know Bo was going
to be that guy, right, Like it's almost like a
gent situation or not that Gent has lived up to
correct the bow hype, even how minimal that is.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
But he's not out of the oils. He's not out
of the end zone or he's not he's not Loo
if you look at it, he's not even close to
like the the you just cooking, untouchable. Get him oxygen.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yeah, it's like the third or fourth time they've played
the replay.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
It's mm hmm. Yeah. Shout out to Marcus Allen.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
This is my this is why this is my favorite
formation in football, the two back formation, like split back,
having a split back formation just because like you can
have if you have two good running backs, it's so
nice to be able to like utilize them both. And
if you have two big full or two big running
backs like Bo and Marcus Allen, Marcus Allen being the

(51:14):
more agile, less power guy. But even then, Raiders record
ninety one yards a Raiders record, I'm pretty sure that would.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I don't know when that got broken. Was it was.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
It Terrell Pryor who broke that record?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Did he?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I'm pretty sure Terrell Pryor broke like the I think
it was like the longest quarterback run in NFL history,
and I think it was like ninety nine yards or something.
Let me let me look it up. It was like
one of his like only good plays he had with
the Raiders, his short stint that he has.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Gonna say, I don't think there's greatest plays in in
Terrell prior Raiders history. I don't think there's like an
hour long tape. What's your opinion on Terrell? Yeah, just just.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Because I'm curious. He's Ohio State guys. I know I
played for Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
He just again, a lot of a lot of the
Ohio State university guys don't pan out. They don't pan
out in the NFL for some reason. C J. Stroud
is starting to look like that, isn't he.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, I'm not as confident as a lot of people
are in him.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
And I thought you would he has your name.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, doesn't can't say it doesn't matter,
can't back it up.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
CJ sucks. I didn't say that prior.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I don't know if he I don't know if someone
else had broken this record from Bow.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
But I'm trying to look.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It was the longest touchdown run ever by a quarterback wrecked.
It was longer than Bow's run too, But I don't
know if there was another, Like, I don't know if
somebody was prior. Prior ran for ninety three yards.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I don't say so, I don't again, I don't think
it's so he ran for ninety two. Well, I don't know, right,
but I don't know if someone else had, like Tice.
I don't know if there's a head coach.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I don't know if there's a longer rush. Let me
look up.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Mike Tye is a big dude.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Longest running Raiders history. It was Terrelle Pryor. Yeah, and
then Bo Jackson actually ran for ninety two yards in
eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Okay, so he ended up breaking his own record. Look
at the total yardage. I missed it. What was you
seventy three to like seventy something for the Raiders Seahawks.
The Seahawks look good too in the fair quarter. They
have a two headed running attack as well with Kurt
Waterer and John L. Williams.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
But again, I feel like they got to get large
and involved, get the wide receiver involved. They're doing a
good job at passing the ball.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I think you get your Hall of Fame wide receiver
in motion. I think that Craig is like running the
offense good. It's just they can't punt.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
They gotta They gotta get down and score some points
nowhere else it's gonna get out of hand.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Especially because a lot of these are. Two of the
plays that the Raiders had are just two big plays.
Like it's not like the Raiders are killing clock.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
The Seahawks have enough time to get back in this,
but they got to do it now. They can't. They
can't wait anymore. That's not gonna help. That's definitely not
gonna help.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
It's a fumble, Rooski, it's still Seattle's ball. But I can't.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I can't with the Kurt Warner, change your name.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
He was the he was the for East. I don't care.
Kurt L. Warner, Yeah, yeah, make it. John L. Williams,
Kurt L. Warner. I don't know, John, I don't know
Kurt Warner's middle name. I don't either, I'll look it up.
Kurt Warner the quarterback I think is Kurt David Kurt Warner,

(55:07):
Kurt Edward Warner. So Kurt E Warner? Yeah, Okay, Kurty
curty Kurt ass. Oh you get fumbled again? Yep? And
it's the Raiders ball.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Who's got it? I was hoping it was Howie.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I have Greg Townsend starting lineup too. By the way,
when he played for the Raiders in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Well that's not good if you're a Seattle fan.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
The first two starting a lot of action figures I
ever got for Christmas was in nineteen ninety three. Christmas
of ninety three Steve Young of the San Francisco forty
nine ers and Cornelius Biscuit Bennett of the Buffalo Bills.
This man's name was what Biscuit? Cornelia's biscuit? M What

(56:04):
have we done? What is this society? I'm done with
the I'm done with the internet today. Now you're not.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Oh my gosh, Biscuit Bennett.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
See if it was the nineties, it would if it
was the two thout biz kit. It's just one of
those days or as I used to call them, as
you remember, I used to call them, what Limp carcass
or lymp triscuts generation lymp trisc It's that trisket is

(56:40):
not moving. It's it must be Limp. The boz Bos
game a movie star, you know, really, Yeah, he reminds
me of.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Who's the Raiders and Broncos linebacker, the guy that played
for the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Bill Romanowski. He played for the Niners too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Boss reminds me of Romanowski, Like same kind of like stature,
big menacing lineback.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, Romanowski was whenever I watch like The Longest Yard,
you know, the guy who like he's in a lot
of like, uh Sandler Productions, whatever they're there, are they
Happy Madison or whatever?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, the dude who always.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Has like his eyes crossed and he looks like Romanowski
almost and acts like a meathead in the.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
In the movies.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
When he's like he's in like grown ups and stuff
like that guy. That's who whenever I think of Bell Romanowski,
that's like the first thing I think of as like
that guy, Like I always think that's who Bell Romanowski is.
And then I'm like, oh, wait, that's not actually him.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
No, but that's because Bill.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Romanowski was kind of a meathead. Yes, and that's kind
of just associate that.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Penalty on the Seahawks offense moving him back or no, Yeah,
Seahawks offense. Right.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, the Raiders are good once they get in the
ten yard line, but this season they haven't really been
able to do that. Losing seven straight.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Is they're looking good though in this game? Yeah, I know,
whether it's ninety one yards or yeah, that passed the
loft in two is nothing to overlook. Marcus Wilson or
Mark Wilson excuse me, Mark with a C. Yeah, Marcus
Allen Mark to Mark, Yeah, another mark Er is down.

(58:59):
See it was a hold on the Raiders, not the Seahawks.
That's why I thought it.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
I got confused because they said on the offense, but
then they showed the Seahawks and the defender they showed
was wearing number seventy nine. I'm getting confused because there
I was just talking about how much.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I love the seventies on defense.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Look at how small these Raiders logos are on the helmets.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
They're very tiny. So what is it?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
First and twenty first and goal.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Is that what he said?

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, first and goal from the twenty five yard line. Oh,
it's crazy, how just.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Menacing. Some players were back and the like.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
You could see this dude was already on the ground
and players would still just dive bomb, give up their
whole body just to try.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And fl like pain on someone like I don't care
what happens to me. Yeah. The bonds of him just
right into the bile. Different mentality. Yeah, well, it's it's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I saw a clip recently of Michael Irvin, the wide receiver,
and he's being he's doing like a podcast or something,
and someone was like, Michael, you must be fearless to
go out there and play football, right Like, you must
have no fear.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
You act like you have no fear. And he was like,
that ain't true. I'm scared as hell. He's like, I
gotta go up against I gotta run a slot or
I gotta run a slant against Ronnie Lott. Yeah, I'm scared.
He's like that dude cut his finger off to go
back into the game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
He's like, I'm scared to run a slant across Ronnie
lot Third and goal. Football was just different back then, Yeah,
third and goal. Here they got Marcus Allen in the
backfield with Lofton in motion.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
This formation's weird, but it kind of works. I dropped it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
They like have Marcus Allen in the backfield, but he's
like offset, yes, and they're just using him as a blocker.
So it's like almost like telling the defense like, hey,
we're rolling out that way. But like it still works
because it gives it gives Wilson enough protection to get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
The ball out. Is that Matt Barr Christmas Barr? Yeah,
Bahar yep, And he's got the one Bahar, He's got
the one bar? Yeah? Yeah? Is he George Blanda and

(01:01:52):
right down the middle. That's gonna make it? What twenty
four to seven? Nice? Twenty four to seven, which is
what I am. Second quarter with three forty to go,
three forty two to go in the first half, second quarter,

(01:02:13):
first half, Raiders leading the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
In the Kingdome. Look at that Look at that shot.
Look at all the lights up top. Now there was
no smoking allowed in this place? Right, Like, oh there
was was there?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah? Wow? That's crazy. Like times are so crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Because I know we talked about it. I think maybe
it was when we did Hagler Hearns. Yeah, but the
old those old camera photos they have, like the you
can see the lights differently because of the smoke in
the stadium and stuff like that. I didn't know if
eighty seven that was still going on or not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Was it could Yeah that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Well I know, I know, like when I was a
kid in the nineties, you could still smoke in like
some restaurants.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Yeah, which is crazy. If you've you've probably seen file
old file photos at McDonald's, right, yeah, yeah, there's there's
the mcash tray. Make cash is crazy. It's just again
a little silver that's crazy, y'all. Take a ten piece
McChicken and a mcash tray. See they would have silver ones,

(01:03:22):
but you guess will take home what they come with,
the happy meal, unhappy meal. That's crazy. Yeah, you could
take home like porcelain, you know. Yeah, that's crazy. Oh
he didn't step out, Oh no he did. Yeah he did, psich.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
That's crazy that you could still smoke in and McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
The mac ash tray. You imagine if you did that today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
You want to hear a story, Okay, I don't know
if I've ever told you this one before A great story.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
I love this. When I was in the Navy, I
was I lived in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Obviously I've said that before if you didn't know, I
used to live in Georgia when I was in the
Navy and I had like a day off or something,
and I love I'm a simple man. And I've said
this before on the playback as well, but people always
joke around. My wife's got a really fine palette when
it comes to foods. You score made food. I have

(01:04:23):
a kid cuisine palette. So I like simple, simple food.
I don't really I don't need the finer things in
life all the time. And so I love Applebee's boneless wings, OK,
just because the buffalo sauce, like the flavor of it,
just like it. And I'm a big boneless guy. Love wings.
Any type of wing in general my favorite food. But

(01:04:44):
boneless wings are real, easy, not messy. So I order
some takeout boneless wings from apple Bee's one time. It's
my day off when I lived in Georgia. It's nighttime,
like seven pm, eight pm. Maybe I go to Applebee's.
I stop at the gas station first, right next door,
go inside. I'm like, hey, I placed an order for takeout.

(01:05:06):
Can you just see if it's ready out back?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah? Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
So I sit down at the bar. It's taking a
minute for my order. They're like, it'll just be a minute, okay.
So I pay and I'm just sitting at the bar waiting.
There's a woman sitting across from me, hammered. I'm talking hammered,
like blackout drunk at Applebe's at like eight pm on
a Tuesday, sitting at the bar, lights up a cigarette

(01:05:29):
inside the Applebee's at the bar, which whatever some bars
down like bars down South, like when I was living
down there, you could still smoke in some bars, especially
in that area in the town I lived in with Yeah,
I know, wow, three hundred and eight yards to seventy seven.

(01:05:49):
So this woman lights up a cigarette at the bar
right the way. The bartender comes over and goes, excuse me, ma'am,
you can't smoke that in here. You have to put
that out. You can smoke outside. And she goes, oh
my bad, I wasn't even thinking. Just spaced out, puts it,
puts it away, like puts it out in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Her drink or something. Not even thirty seconds later, takes
a cigarette out and lights up another one at the
bar right in the same seat just immediately. She was like,
just start smoking, look right at the bar, just immediately,
and the bartender goes, ma'am, you can't smoke cigarettes in here.

(01:06:24):
You could She's like, oh my god, I wasn't even thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
I totally spaced out, put it out, goes to light
up another one, and her friend was like, stop, need
to leave, and the one like the bartenders like, yeah,
you're cut off, no more for you and it but
and I'm not doing it justice because she when she
put it out, she was like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Oh s I And then totally my mind wasn't even think.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, just absolutely hammered smoking inside an Applebee's and like
this was like twenty seventeen, twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Sixteen seventies, blazing up at just at the bar, just
eating good in the neighbor Watch this. Do they have
this hit right here? Hang on all right here? Oh

(01:07:15):
that dude got jacked up. Kurt Warner taking out Kurt
Warner got Jack taking a licking. See if he keeps
on ticking.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Seahawks hoping to get break the hundred yard mark. They
tried to get it to largent. Maybe maybe they're trying
to get into larger and he's just been locked down.
Well Van McElroy, Yeah, I need to look up Van McIlroy.
I had never heard of him before this game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
They are doing everything they can to make sure that
that's not a safety. So yeah, no, they tried to
say he got pushed. No way the Sandwich making his
making another appearance. Ruben Rodriguez could hear the pads colliding

(01:08:22):
on that one didn't even make it to the fifty.
McElroy Van mclroy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
He had nine year career played for the Raiders and
then played for Seattle. In his final season in nineteen ninety,
he had thirty one career interceptions in eighty eight games played.
That's pretty good on a seventeen game average. He averaged

(01:08:52):
like five picks a year, so that's in like that's
in today's like league. And then trying to see he had.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Bo seven rushes one hundred and twenty three yards.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Nikes, that's video game bo nice underhand Marcus Allen Mark
to Marcus.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Right, did was uh? Forward? Progress wasn't a thing back then?
Was it? No? Right? Right? Trying to see two minute

(01:09:43):
warning twenty four to seven the Raiders the Los Angeles
Raiders leading the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
With a minute fifty eight. Yeah, warning, yeah, this is
a good one. I'm I'm enjoying. This is a little
more exciting than the the first Monday Night football but still,
you know, an older this is an exciting older game.
Sometimes when you watch those older games, they don't they

(01:10:13):
don't live up to the hype, or, as we like
to ask, they don't age well, which you'll hear in
the aftermath when Jade Dog and I break down this
nineteen eighty seven Monday Night football game between the Raiders
and the Seahawks and the Kingdome.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
I wish they still played at the Kingdome.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Not the Seahawks, but I wish like the Kingdome still
existed as a what like I I don't know, it'd
be cool. I'd be cool with either the Seahawks or
the Mariners still playing there. But I like this like stadium,
I like the I like T Mobile Park. Don't get
me wrong, they're gonna They're not gonna trade I know,
I know they're not gonna go back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
They're not gonna trade T Mobile Park for the Kingdome.
They were trying to get the hell out of the
Kingdome in the nineties, I know, but I think it's cool.
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
I like the astro turf, you know, almost like a
reminds me of the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Mercedes No not Mercedes Benz. What it the Georgia Dome.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
No, not the Georgia Dome, the where the Saints play.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Oh, the that would be the Caesar's Super Dome, the
Caesars Super one time. Of course it was the Mercedes
Benz right, right, but Mercedes the is it Georgia? Is
that the Mercedes Benz Mercedes Benz Stadium? Right? It's gonna say,
how confusing. I know. First, I was back when you

(01:11:35):
had a colpost in the George Blanda. Ye again, like
you were you give a little shout out. Lady was
trying to get to George Blanda's age. He couldn't do it.
How old was he when he reached forty seven? I think,
look at it, Yeah he was old?

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Yeah, yeah, Well at this point Kalaias Campbell's uh on
the way to passing that or Mercedes Lewis another one,
Mercedes He's Lewis still plays and he's like forty one
forty two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
So Flora is one as a player Kansas City and
as an assistant and as a head coach with the Raiders.
I believe it was the first Latino born Latino to
uh win a championship as well for win a Super Bowl.
So George Blanda play, Yeah, if you want to look
at how long George bland to play or how many
what age he was? Apparently I'm wrong, by the way

(01:12:26):
forward progress has been in football since nineteen oh six.
This is nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
See, but I thought they adjusted the the rule.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Weird seeing Marcus Allen ware Puma, that is weird. And
who was I looking up? Who did you just say? George? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
George Blanda passed away in twenty ten. Yeah he was
born in twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Yeah, in nineteen twenty seven. Yeah, how many.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Years he was a quarterback and a kicker he played
for who?

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Twenty six years? Okay? Yeah, no one's getting into that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
He played in three hundred and forty games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Yeah, he started one hundred and six, which is still incredible. Yeah,
and he was a kicker and a quarterback he wasn't
I wonder how many?

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Also what it says George Blanda played from forty nine
to fifty eight, and then in fifty eight or in
fifty nine he didn't play. He retired, then came out
of retirement to play in sixty all the way until
seventy five.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
This dude, what he retired. He played.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
He played for ten years and then he was like
I'm going to retire. Played one season or took one
year off, and then he's like, no, I could do
another twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
He probably got injured and then like it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Well, oh okay, like retired and then yeah, it was like,
oh I can't play, Okay, maybe still damn.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
He had.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Seventy five field goals attempted or actually hold on what like, yeah,
all right here he had six hundred and forty one
field goals attempted and three hundred and thirty five field
goals made.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Yeah, and he was a quarterback forty seven yards and
he got good twenty seven seven. The Seahawks can't do anything.

(01:15:04):
It's a shellacking. Yeah, a shellacking in Seattle. By the way,
I didn't know this, did you know?

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
George Blanda is the career the all time leader in
extra points attempted and extra points made. Yes, I didn't
know that. And he's got a ninety eight percent extra
point percentage. It's pretty good. His field goal percentage is
less than desirable. It's at fifty two for.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
His career field goal percent a lot better than some
What is Venetaries, I want to is slightly bad. His
is better.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
I mean, yeah, it's gonna be His is definitely going
to be better, just because he's literally only kicking well, yeah,
it's eighty three per Yeah, and Venitaries the all time
leader in field goals attempted and made. Yes, but still
George Blanda.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Damn. He had.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Two hundred and thirty six passing touchdowns. He had two
hundred and thirty six passing touchdowns twenty seven thousand, just
under twenty seven thousand passing yards.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
He averaged. See this isn't good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
George Blanda averaged in a seventeen game season, he would
average twelve touchdowns in today's day in age and fourteen interceptions.
Not that great of a ratio. But of course it's
a little different in nineteen forty nine than it is
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yes, thirty five seconds to go, see leg you got
to do something, Yeah, they have.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
To do something before halftime they have to get a
few old goal at least to. Oh my gosh, scancy,
I don't even know who you are, but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Who look at this? Oh my god, what are we doing?
Like if you've got to get a few out to,
it's a largent Yeah, they have to sixty six passing yards. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
The Seattle offense needs to get something moving, even if
they don't score points here, you've got to You've got
to gain some confidence back before halftime, before you go
back to that locker room and you're just getting smoked.

(01:18:02):
It's already third down. They have moved the ball maybe
five yards. Normally he's so noisy, and right now no
one's making a noise, almost whisper quiet. Yeah, yeah, no
noise being made at all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You could hear a yellow pen drop. Get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
He gets the first down twenty seconds, twenty two seconds
on the clock.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
See, gals, that's funny. I think they call the wait
do they call the Bills cheerleaders the Jills? I have
no clue. Well, you know what they call the Raiders ones, right,
but the raider rats? Really? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Should they call the Cowboys cheerleaders the cow girls?

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
I thought that that's what they were, or and they're
just the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, isn't that their name? Should they be the Cowgirls? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Well, some people associate that with the football team, So.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
It depends on you asked. What's the ruling.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
I think they gave him the first down out of bounds,
Jim Plunkett, Raider legend.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Out of I don't Stanford, that's right. We just talked
about him drafted by the Bears the Patriots. Oh really, yeah,
I didn't know that his Patriots career was a bust.
So he goes to the Raiders and he becomes a legend.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Did he play for the Bears or I'm thinking of McMahon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Oh, he got jacked up for sure. Who just delivered
that monstrous hit? Trane? Yeah, Trann Tran.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Hungry like our raider on that play. Look how big
Howie Long is? He is an animal? He's he's so
much bigger than Chris Long.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
His son, like, he is so much bigger than Chris Long.
I think is what's his other son? Is it Kyle Long?
The I think there's like three of them. I'm looking
up how We Long real quick. I want to see
how many children he has because I know he has.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
At least two scancy got Jack big time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
I guess he only has two Chris and Kyle. Yeah,
there was a Jake Long in the NFL. Is he
not related to how he's he's related because Jake Long
was like a gets it out to largent. Oh and
they're saying they're saying he's at in bounds.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Good for a largent to do that, because if yeah,
large AND's yelling at the ref was there Dave Craig
is now getting on the refs?

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
When was the challenge brought in again? When was like
the challenge introduced in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Instant replay first started in nineteen ninety one. Well, again,
it wasn't that it was different in how you could challenge, Right,
there's no like they brought it in nineteen ninety nine.
It's been there ever since ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
So, but here there's no way for them to be like, hey,
he was out of bound essentially, and the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Frees would essentially have to return their own call. Yeah,
but if you do that, it looks like you're being persuaded, Yeah,
by the opposite one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
He should have been out. His knee goes down out
of bounds.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yes, okay, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Seattle gets their time out back. But it doesn't matter.
I guess Al's right. It doesn't really matter either way
because you're not I mean, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Kicking it, yes, Norm Johnson, by Norm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Thank goodness, he didn't have an E before his name.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Fifty four yards?

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Can you get it in eighty seven? Probably not, it's
gonna have to get all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Nope, nope, nope. Seattle goes to the locker room missing
a field goal. Yeah, and the Raiders are gonna walk
into the locker room twenty seven to seven. These these

(01:23:19):
shots of they're all pictures of bow They're all bow yeah,
bow Nos photos. Yeah, apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
That's funny, bow Nos photos. Seattle kicking off to start
the second half. Los Angeles. I almost said Oakland, Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
The Oakland, Los Angeles Las Vegas Raiders. Can you remeasure
if they had to play all in three of those venues,
Like one week you play in Las Vegas, the next
week you play in Oakland, the next week you play
in the calls Wild. If they like rotated travel, yeah,
nightmare logistically yeah, whoa almost got stopped real short there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
That was a good return for eighty seven, getting into
the twenty five yard line, the touchbacks of twenty so
anything past.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
That was considered a success. Yeah, even the twenty two
yard line. Yeah, it was more than twenty. Thanks Al.
They can tell you the sponsors, but you can't see them.
I know what is this production? And is this? Did
we they're sleepless in Seattle? Did we discuss as this ABC?

(01:24:45):
Of course it's ABC. What else would it be? Well,
that's what I thought it was ABC. But it's like, man,
I feel like Jade Dog with a.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
The ABC team I always thought, I don't know, I
thought highly of them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
This is like the worst production I've ever seen. All again,
they're sleepless in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Yeah, apparently, and and we've seen older broadcasts on football
that didn't have as much mistakes. Marcus Allen nine carries
for thirty six yards, still averaging four yards of carry.
A little counter with bo oh my gosh, he's huge.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
His shoulder pads alone. I know his shoulder pads make
him look bigger. And I discussed this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
I think it was in the last playback we did.
But I would if I had bigger shoulder pads, I'd
be more likely to run someone like. It blows my
mind that nowadays, like Derek Henry has to use such
small shoulder pads, because I feel like if he had
bigger shoulder pads, he would be more equipped to run
people over.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
He doesn't want to run people over, He just wants
to run. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Christian Dakoye, the Nigerian Nightmare for the Kansas City Chiefs,
had massive and look at this there goes Bo.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Is he going to gone again? My gosh, I think
you could have ran by him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Bo knows first downs.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Yeah, apparently they're gonna have to put a handicap on him. Yeah,
put a governor on this guy. Governor, wherever Bo lands
take five yards back? That's your handicap.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
That should be a wrestler's name. The governor hit someone
with a teapot, it wouldn't be British, it would probably
be you know, this is from the South, the governor.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Yeah, this Raiders offense is stacked. Those they're just pads
are massive too. They're just feeding the rock to Bow
and Marcus Allen and this running back crew.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
One hundred and seventy he has nine rushes one hundred
and seventy one yards for a touchdown rushing. He has
one receiving as well, but he's averaging nineteen yards. I
forgot he got that receiving. This is Techmobile numbers right here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Have you ever seen that Family Guy skit where they
they play Techmobile. It's like a small, like thirty second
clip and they basically show off how bo Jackson was
like a cheat code and you could literally run all
the way back to your end zone and run all
the way back like his character or whatever that was
in Techmobile.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Very funny.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Well that's crazy, No, that's crazy because there have been discussions,
especially this year in NFL about players going back to
college and playing again and what that would mean, like
whether or not a team would own their rights. Like
when Judkins was dealing with all of his off field
stuff at the beginning of the season, there was talk

(01:28:18):
that he was going to go back and then they
were like, well, would the Browns still own the rights
to him and stuff like that, and uh, same with
the Bengals lineman they signed they drafted, should not Shadur Sanders.
It's a schmar Stewart is the name he was talking
about going back, and you know, if he.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Doesn't sign the deal with the Bengals own his rights
and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
So the Bucks drafted him, he said, no, I'm going
back to school or did he just say he just said, no, don't,
I'm going to play baseball. But then then when they
were like, all right, well then we don't want you,
and then he just that made him draftable.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Again. I don't understand that because he was an underclassmen too,
whereas if you're your senior year, you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Don't you can't like technically go oh. So technically he
just kind of like worked the system. Like Bo kind
of was like, do you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Roger Clemens was drafted by originally his junior year of college,
the New York Mets really, but he went back to
Texas and his senior year, who was he drafted by
the Boston Red Sox. Barry Bonds was originally drafted by
his hometown San Francisco Giants during his junior year junior
year at Arizona State, but then went back and drafted

(01:29:38):
by the Pittsburgh Pirates and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Like it mattered though, he ended up in San Francisco anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Yeah, just a little little stop in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Yeah, yeah, just so people could see what you look
like before and after your time in San Francisco. I
don't know why they would want to do that, but
they could see, you know, whether or not you got
extremely jacked in San Francisco and if you were smaller
when you were played in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
They told him, kid, they're not going to offer you
a contract in Pittsburgh. In fact, Jimmie Leland told him that. So, yeah,
that was that worked out.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Yeah, Pittsburgh's great, right, they've won a ton since then.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Boy, if you thought they were bad in the two
in the twenty twenties, you should have saw them in
the nineties. I bet yeah. That was a They let
Bobby Benia go. They had Tim Wakefield. They let Wakefield go. Well,
they turned him into the pitcher. They didn't know what
he was. Yeah he was. They let bond go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
What was Wakefield? Wasn't he like a first basement before
he became a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
SERI He was a starting He was a starting pitcher
at a first pick. Yeah? So, and guess what Bo
with another one? Bo was in Bow Knows Touchdowns, Bow
Knows Monday Night Football.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Yeah, apparently Monday Night Bo. It's funny you said, by
the way, Wakefield just embarrassed Wakefield a starting a starting pitcher,
and a a first baseman.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Show Hey who show who? Yeah? Exactly? Uh yeah, bo
running over the boss here. Boz was never looked at
the same because of that. Why by the way, he
was never looked upon the same. This game right here
was Okay, this guy is a fraud. He's Madonna. What

(01:31:27):
was it? Rick Riley called him Madonna with shoulder pads.
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Madonna with shoulder pads is crazy. He looks like the
villain from Rocky Just.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Say, it looks like well he used to get they
they used to call him Drago and that's funny. Yeah,
or Dolf, that's funny. It looks like he looks like
Drago thirty four to seven. So do you know any
of Brian Bosworth or Boz's movies. No, he played a
biker name. It was called stone Cold, So yeah, that's wild.

(01:32:00):
Uh uh whatever. As the years went on, right when
there would be a scene where he entered a uh
it was a convenience store. Just the scene ten rushes
one hundred and seventy two yards. By the way, it's
two touchdowns for for bo Jackson. There's a scene right
after he enters, and I would just Stone gold Stone,

(01:32:20):
gold Stone only because of course, yeah, you got to
queue up the glass shatter next night. Well, well there
is glass that shatters and there you throw throws the
guy at the convenience store. He throws it, doesn't doesn't
he doesn't throw him out the door. He throws him
out the wind the lot. Yeah, and that's the bottom line,

(01:32:46):
just watching Boz go in there and just yell Stone
cold Stone because that was the name of the movie.
So that's funny. I did that of course after yeah,
they yeah, yeah, I'm not that creative.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Six one nine, Yes, stone Cold.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
You know you know where he had he how he
got the name stone Cold? Right? He was different, He
had a different name before that. He was Stunning. Yeah,
it was the ring Master, Yeah yeah, But how he
got the name name? Wait, and didn't he have like hair, yeah,
like before he became that's weird. That's weird. I can't
picture that guy with hair. What what he's got? What?

(01:33:40):
So you know how he got the nickname stone Cold? Right?
He was having uh, I think he was having tea
with his wife. His wife is British. His wife is
British at the time his first wife. Go ahead. The
stone cold is just like no, he's just pinky up
having not having the pinky And that's the bottom line.

(01:34:02):
Stone is stone cold. T time, go ahead. Uh, he
was having tea with his wife, something along the lines
with this tea is was the tea is too hot
or something like that. He just well what he wanted
to be stone cold. So and then he's thunner. Here's

(01:34:25):
a divorce, stone cold. That's right, Yeah, that's funny. Say
they're already talking about marketing. Yeah, you would never hear
you know, seventeen point two yards for one hundred and
seventy two yards. Again, these are techmobile numbers. You know

(01:34:49):
what I used to do with Joe Montana during Techmobil.
But I would have him run all the way back,
have him on the one yard line, just when he's
already be tackled. Just chuck at to Jerry Rice for
a one hundred yard touchdown. Nice. So I'd have a
thousand receiving yards by halftime. There's Mike Tice, future Minnesota

(01:35:09):
Vikings head of coach, and there you go. Bo does
what Bo wants. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
You know what's funny is he sounds like Dion.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
He's pre Dion.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Yeah, it sounds like he's got that same Dion mentality
you know Primetime baby sounds like unk two league's a five.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
How well they're getting into it. That was like that
was like some fist fighting attitude.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
There his hat and there's your lid as my as
my my Pops calls it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
The brain bucket is your brain bucket back, here's your
brain bucket. Brain. I've never heard that before.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Oh all the time when I like when I was
a kid, if I didn't have my mouthguard in or
my my chin strapped strapped, my dad would always be.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Like, you better strap up that brain bucket. That thing's
protecting your brain. You better not let it get smacked around.
Stuff like that, like always hit me with the brain bucket.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Like if I forgot my helmet'd be like, CJ, you
better have that brain bucket in the back of the car.
If I don't see it there, you're gonna be running
laps when we get to practice.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
One. That only happened one time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
I forgot gear, like a couple of times, but never
like really one time I forgot all my gear. We
got to practice and I so you just wanted to
practice naked what no, like I I wore Oh, and
it's picked.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Van McElroy. Van McElroy with the pick No.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
I played in Franklin for a couple of years when
I lived in Laconia, yep, and my dad was my coach,
and we'd have to pick up other kids and my
cousin on the way to practice. Like so it was
me and then we would go pick up my cousin,
and then we would pick up two kids in Belmont,
and then we would pick up a kid in like
Tilton on our way to Franklin, and then we all

(01:37:16):
would play in Franklin. Then my dad would give everyone
to ride home at the end of the day, at
the end of practice or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Here's the reverse single. Watch see had it not been
for trying to attempt to.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Get yeah, if he just let it go, it probably
wouldn't be well, actually maybe not. He probably would have
still caught it. But that was a heck of a
dive by McElroy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
But yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
So one time my dad brings us to practice and
we wore our pants and cleats in the car, like
wore my pants and my shoes. So we get out
and open up the back of the car and there's
no uppers like my my helmet. My helmet was in
my shoulder pads sitting in the driveway at home. I
left it in the driveway forgot to put it in

(01:37:59):
the car, and I was like, all right, well, I
have to go back to Laconi and get your pads.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
So start running and just lapse all night. Discipline. Yeah,
just until he gets back.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
And of course even when he got back, it's just
laps all night.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Nothing else. It's not a fun day. I was so
giddy about practice one time in nineteen ninety seven that
I put on all my gear and walked from the
house to the football field, like it, don't you don't
need to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
I I didn't have to do that. I got lucky.
We had nice lockers and Laconi. I could leave my
stuff at school usually or my parents would hook it
up and give me a ride. I only had to
walk home when I lived like across the street from
the field when I was like in middle school, so
I was able to just like walk to and from practice.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
That was easy. My dad used to walk our iguana
when I played. When I had practice across the field.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
We had a pet iguana when I was a kid, wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Big or no. Yeah, he was probably like uh three
four feet long, Yeah, pretty decent size.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
He was a vegetarian, only eight fruits, and only eight
fruits and veggies, no bugs, just chilled. He had a
broken claw when he was born, so it was like
kind of deformed. But other than that, he would just
like we had this like chicken wied coop that like
was in our basement with a heat lamp, and he
would hang on and stuff. His name was Iggy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
He was the I could I can I could have
I could just see. I'm picturing Jeff Goldbloom doing the
voice of the iguana. Yes, well I have a couple
of those frankfurtersts.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Right, I'm a vegetarian, you know what I'm actually I'm
big on the veggies and the fruits. Do you have
any fruit salad mixed green something I could dive into.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
And you know, just before, because you was, I can't
even look at you. Just because you could doesn't mean
you should.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Iguanas always find a way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
That's funny. So it was gonna say the I can
actually also see I could see a restaurant being called
you know the veget like the vegetarian iguanas or something
that sounds like a band. Yeah, the vegetarian. Yeah, and
he pictures a big year.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
No, no, it was a long time ago. I was
like middle school.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
How long did you How long do you live? He was.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
So we got him from my grandmother's neighbor and he
actually ended up dying a little young because his heat
lamp blue in the middle of winter one year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
It was brutal. I like, it was, actually, this is
a really bad story. I I I had, like I
love my iguana. Don't get me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
It was my dad's iguana, but it was our family family, right, Like,
I love my iguana.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
I am begging my wife to this day to get
another reptilefled another iguana.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
I like the iguanas, but.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
My I love my iguana. So I used to brag
about it all the time. And I was at school
one day and I had like ten of my friends.
I was like, you guys want to come over and
see the iguana today. They were like, yeah, that sounds dope,
that sounds cool, and so like gathered up like ten
of my friends walk them into the basement, like in
the iggy's room.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Turn on the light, his heat lamp blue. He's dead.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
All my friends are just all my friends are there
like oh I'm and I'm like, oh no. And I
had to call my dad and my dad. If you're
hearing this, Chris love my dad. My dad has been
in some He has a checkered past. He's a different
person now, but he has a checkered past. If you

(01:41:45):
know me, I could tell you some stories offline. But so,
my dad's a pretty tough guy. This is the first
time I ever heard my dad like tear up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
I could.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
I called him on the phone and I was like, hey, Dad,
Iggy's heat lamp blue.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
I have to tell you he's dead. And my was
like just leave it. When I get home, and I
was like, are you okay, It's like yeah, just leave
me alone, and like I was like, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
When I graduated boot camp and when my iguana died.
Are the only two times I've ever seen my father
get emotional. Yeah in my life, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Only two times. I've had some good moments too. Dad
never never shed one tear, never got Those are the
only two things that I've ever seen shake him to
his core.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
So the heat limp. Okay the heat let because you
said this was winter, right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
Yeah, it was winter. He had like a it was
in the basement. We had like this little back room
that was like insulated kind of, but the it was
like an open cage. It wasn't like a tank like.
It was like I said, chicken fence or chicken wiring
like bo again, Yeah, Bo is in right now. Gosh,
he looks a little stunned.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
No, he's good. This is nineteen eighty seven. No one's stunned.
Just get him.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Some smelling salts were good. But yeah, he had like
a chicken chicken wire like cage. So it wasn't like
a tank where it was like the heat was inside
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
It was like open. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
So and it wasn't like we had him for years too.
It wasn't like he couldn't live down there. He'd be fine.
It just no one noticed the heat lamp blue in
the middle of the night. And like the next day
I went to go down and like check on him
and literally.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Brought my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Ten of my friends literally standing behind me like, oh,
this is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Like stand by me. You guys want to see a
dead body for real, You guys want to ad Iguana
the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
And my friends knew Iggy too, because like, like I said,
my dad would bring him to football practice, like he
would walk him, like there was like he when we
got him from my grandmother's neighbor, he had like a
harness and a leash like they were like, yeah, he
loves going for walks. You just put him down in
the grass and he just slap his little feet around and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Just go to town.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
And he he only bit one person ever, and it
was my dad because he was sticking his finger in
his mouth trying to trying to prove to someone. He's like, hey,
he's never bitten any buddy, and then my dad's literally
poking him in the mouth and he bit him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
It's the only time ever, by the way, we've.

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
Been no, yeah, right, this is my this is my
my boy Iggy. All right, he's clean. Uh we missed it.
But Marcus Allen passed the Raiders all time rushing record.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Back in eighty seven. I mean yeah, it's not now, Yeah,
he's not doesn't play anymore. He'd played ten more years,
you know. Yeah. He had a good, good career in
Kansas City too. It's on the Raiders anyway. So, but yeah,
I can't do that. Thanks for the updates, Dan, Thanks Frank, Frank,

(01:44:40):
Dan just can't do that. When you said, want to
see my iguana, it's not no, it's not a uphim
as well, it says what they're doing nowadays. Yeah, is
that what the kids come? Yeah? Yeah to a girl,
want to see what and he's dead. It's like choose
your own ending. Yeah, page eighty eight and he's dead. Yeah,

(01:45:02):
what would happened in page eighty nine? He had his
own reality TV show on VH one for fifteen years.
Dang it if I only gone to page eighty nine,
dang it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Yeah, I'm still to this day. I'm begging my wife
all the time. My wife likes like the rodents. My
wife wants like a she likes we're we have dogs.
We don't have any crazy pets. My wife likes rodents,
like rats and stuff like mice or gerbils, hamsters, things
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
I two hundred and two yards for bowing twelve rushes.
I want the reptiles. Turtle I've talked about getting. The
turtles are cool because they live for a long time. Say,
I know, and like that's kind of the thing with
like pets. It's like it's tough having a pet and
like not having the longevity that you run to have. Obviously,

(01:45:55):
turtles and horses they last for those things run forever.
They're like Toyota. Well with baby turtles, make sure you
don't have any ooze because they become teenage mutant ninja turtles.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Yeah, and then you're gonna be paying a fortune in pizza.
I was gonna say, cowwa bunga bar coming out for
another field goal attempt here?

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Yeah, okay, so biscuit, Yeah, biscuit versus bow.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Yeah, biscuit versus bow. And the bas is uh is
looking truly defeated.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Like Madonna in pads and a thirty seven seven, thirty
seven to seven in the third quarter, five twenty nine
to go. They've got a whole nother quarter in six
minutes or five and a half minutes excuse me, still
to play. They've got essentially twenty five and a half
minutes to go here, thirty seven to seven. This is
a beat down. This isn't fair Seattle fans. I would

(01:47:00):
just leave, Well, seagals can't. They've got you know, seagals
have to keep dancing away.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Ah, it's brutal. It's like purgatory, just stuck in a
perpetual just.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
In the Kingdome, of all places where the tiles fall. Yeah,
well they weren't falling in nineteen eighty seven, not yet
but right, not yet the Kingdome. You know why it's
called that, right? Why? Because I believe this is King County. Okay, Yeah,
that's cool. It's a cool name. Anyways. I just I

(01:47:34):
think it's like a cool name. Cool, like they were
going to be the Seattle Kings originally. Really yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
They're kind of like the Kings of the Sea, the Mariners,
you know, the kind of it's not necessarily Kings of.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
The Sea, but uh, but the Kraken would be. Yeah,
I guess they are.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
I don't know, maybe like a well, I think like
Kings of the Sea because they, like the Mariners have,
like their trident is like they're things. So it's like
they're almost like Poseidon esque or like tried and esque,
like King Trident.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
There if you saw you remember the Mariner's original logo.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
Yeah, it's like the isn't it the upside down Trident?

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Right now? Yeah? Didn't they bring that back this year?
As like a have as an alternative. Yeah, I was
gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
The Seagals cheering on their disappointing team.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
They're down by thirty points.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
And when I was in the Navy, we would uh
by the way playbackers and uh bat heads. If you
haven't noticed yet, a lot of my stories are when
I was in the Navy. So there's an ongoing joke
between a lot of my friends and me. Whenever I
say that, they'll go, wait, you were in the Navy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
I've never said that one.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
No, you haven't, but a lot of other people say
that to me. Yeah, when I was in the Navy, we.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
Look something Beavis would say. We were uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
We'd play a lot of like two K like basketball
when I was in the Navy, me and my roommates.
And if you were down by thirty, you were you
had to quit. It was automatic loss. It was like
worse you we'd call it thirty burger. If you got
hit with a thirty burger, it's an automatic l.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
This isn't horses is Clydesdale. You're dune pal, you're glue.
Now what.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
Illegal use of the body? Oh he tried to trip him?
What what do we do with as a kicker? Why
would you use your leg to try and trip someone.
You're literal like money maker. You don't see Sebastian Janakowski
doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Oh my gosh, that was a helmet to helmet. It's crazy.
That is the number one thing to like look back
and watch people go helmet to It is crazy. Nineteen
eighty seven. This is the viciousness of some of these
like hits, and this dude just staying in there. They're there.

(01:50:18):
I don't know. I can't believe he got up.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
There are so many hits I took in football, and
I wasn't even as as you call like a skill
position player, but like I played D line and O line.
You know, I didn't I didn't play, I didn't get
the ball, I wasn't holding the rock rot. But there
were I still got like four concussions in my time

(01:50:42):
playing football, And it's.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Like being a skill position. That dude took a beating
and I was.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
I was playing Little League, I was playing Pop Warner,
you know, Like I'm not talking like I played in
high school and stuff too, But I don't think I
got any concussions in high school. A lot of my
concussions that I got when I was I got concussions
in other sports in high school.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
I think I got one in lacrosse.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
One time, but most of them, most of the concussions
I got were when I was like younger, playing like
Pop Warner, not even taking like, yeah, I'm taking a
big hit, but it's from someone my side. Like these
guys are moving like twenty miles an hour, like they're
the bogie.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
The game was fast then, not anywhere near compared to
today's game, right, because again, as the years go on,
the athletes are faster and stronger than ever. And that's
not we've not plateaued in that regard. No, I don't
think we're ever going to. No, Well, in terms of bigger,
you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Genetically, they'll only be able to get so big. And
the other thing too, it's like we're not going to
see eight foot tall line back. Yes, we're not going
to see that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
And the other thing too, is is like you know,
depending on your position, you don't necessarily want to be
the biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Like a big topic in the media for this year's
NFL season coming into it. Marvin Harrison June your I
don't know if you heard about this at all, but
he was his he gained like I forget what it was.
I'm probably way off, but it was like ten pounds
in muscle or twenty pounds in muscle. His arms got huge,
And it's like, as a wide receiver, do you need

(01:52:15):
big arms?

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
Howie along wo the stop nice.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
It's like, as a wide receiver, do you need big
arms or should you try and cut weight and get faster?
And it depends on the situation. I'm just saying that's
a good example of like, you don't necessarily need to
be the biggest either.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Right where he had him right where he wanted to
know how he all over that one? He owes out
of Villanova. I believe he was born in mass By the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
Way, I didn't know you went to Villanova either. I Uh,
that was one school I was looking at when I
was in high school.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
You could have been a Philly boy potentially going to Well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
I wanted to go to Villanova just because I knew
it was in the Philly area and Craig throwing it,
no one's there to catch it. Yeah, I wanted to
go to Villanova because Brian Westbrook went to Village and
I was a big Westbrook fan obviously growing up as
an Eagles fan, So that's how I knew about Villanova.

(01:53:16):
And then I think it was like junior or senior year.
We took a trip to U n H for like
a career day kind of thing where it was like
a college fair and Villanova was there and I was
talking to them for a while. That was like where
I was really leaning to but never ended up. I
didn't end up applying to like really any schools. The
only school I applied to was Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
And Wales, which is not in Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
No, and I didn't get into Johnson and Wales because
I was a big slacker in high school. I did
not try and my guidance counselor was like, yeah, you're
not getting in to any school.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Pretty much, not even community college. Well I got into.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
I got into LRCC and which is Lakes Region Community College.
I went there for a semester and then I was like,
this is closer to my house than my high school.
I was like that I want to I was like,
I can't go here. I got to drop out, and
so I dropped out and joined that. Well, I had
a buddy come home from the Marine Corps and was
basically like, yeah, I went swimming in the ocean in

(01:54:16):
November because he was living in like San Diego. Yeah,
and I was like, I've got to leave New Hampshire.
I've got to get out of here. And I joined
the Navy and that's how that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
Well, I look at it like this, people are just
so obsessed when they turn a certain age seventeen, eighteen
or nineteen, they want to get out as fast as
humanly possible, whether that be this state or not distamped
it a state that they're in, or just like the
region alone.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Right Like I like, don't get me wrong, I love
and now that I when I moved away, I like
realized how much I love New England, New Hampshire specifically,
like I'm born and bred here. This is my bread
and butter. Love New Love New Hampshire. But I needed
like for me. It was like I want like a
story to tell. Was kind of like, I'm I'm a storyteller.

(01:55:07):
That's that's my That's that should be my you, that
should be my like LinkedIn profile is like professional storyteller.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
That's literally the number one thing I do.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
That's why I went to schools because I wanted to
figure out how to get paid to tell people stories
and just talk to people.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
And look at that boat.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Two touchdowns on the ground, one on the air. Even
though it's one catch, still.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
It hit pay dirt yep. But yeah, I wanted to
go to Villanova big time. Love villindn't have the grades though,
no I was. I didn't have the money either, right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
No, yeah, my parents wanted me to go to like
in state, but that wasn't really I guess that wasn't
really too much of the problem. My sister went to Uga,
you know what I mean, Like, my sister went very
far away from school.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
No, no New England discount there. You know, you know,
if you're a resident in the state of North Carolina,
right for more than six months, they pay for your schooling. Really,
I didn't know that. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
A lot of stuff, A lot of states still do,
like a a lot like New Hampshire's like a Yellow
Ribbon state, so with like the veterans program and stuff
like that. If like you want, if I wanted to
go to like if I got into Dartmouth, we'll say,
and I wanted to go to Dartmouth. I don't know
if necessarily they're part of it, but it's like, if
you want to go to a private school, yellow ribbon
states will pay for whatever the GI bill won't.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
They'll cover the other hand. Yeah, I don't think that
works for Dartmouth. Yeah, it's well, it's it's different for
private schools in like Ivy League and stuff like.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
I I don't know exactly. I don't think it works
for Dartmouth, but like I think you and.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
H It'smouth state state. Yeah, although those are.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Those are public, That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't
know if it's like private only. I don't remember exactly
how it works, but it's basically like they cover whatever
the GI bill doesn't stuff like that. So I think
technically I have time left on my GI bill, but
it's been more than I think ten years now, so
I don't know if it's like expired because if you like,
if you serve one term or one if you do

(01:57:18):
one enlistment, yes, you only get like ten years to
use it and then it expires essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
But if you serve like four years, yeah, like eight
years or whatever, Like, if you serve two enlistments, then
I think you get it for like an extra like
fifteen years or something it's like every enlistment you get
like a bass five or ten years to like utilize.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
Your gi bill before it expires. Yeah, it's too late
for bos though. I mean people have already written him off.
It's it's done though. And did he really even sack him?
That looks like a straighth On Brett favresack. There's Drago himself, Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Boss third sack this season. That's good, that's good. I
mean his starting line his starting his starting lineup action
figure is actually on the cover of People magazine nineteen
eighty eight fall preview. You see, you know where it's

(01:58:13):
his people. You see an action figure, I like on
the top of the in fact, and let me see,
hold on, I have the figure, by the way, And
they did they actually did a really good job. They
had his his rat tail review call it. They did
a really good job of the flat top of the
nice Actually they really did. The detail of that was
not was not too shabby. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
College Basketball Live, two pm Eastern Saturday, nineteen eighty seven,
if you can get back and watch that, Bobby Knight,
they had just.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
What well, they had won the national title in nineteen
eighty seven. I believe so this is them as the
reigning defending undisputed champs. Yeah, I was gonna say that
was PI there. They have one sence from mackelroy.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
I'm a big Parks and Rec guy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
They got a Bobby Knight photo in like the first
episode of Parks and Rec. Yeah, you've ever seen the show.
I've seen bits and pieces in.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
The first episode they have I think it's like the
first maybe two episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
It's either just the first one or the first two.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
But they have a Bobby Knight photo in the office
of Ron Swanson played by Nick Offerman. And because like
the show takes place in Indiana, that's like the whole
like bit is there like a Parks and Rec thing
in Indiana And here's the People magazine.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
Oh, I see it up top and oh so you
got Boz right, yeah, and you got Oz you got
Boss and Oz Ozzie Smith because of the preview was
music Movies TV. And also because that was the first
year of starting lineup Action Figures as well, in nineteen
eighty eight. So there. I love that. The how strategically

(02:00:06):
they have Boz yeah placed on top. That's cool. So
can you name can you name any of these people
on here? For this this fall preview.

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
Let me see, you can't know I was trying to
get it over that court. I'm I don't need to
pull it any further. Okay, Is this is this Celine Dion?

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
That's no, that's Lisa Bonette. That's Zoe Kravitz's mom. Okay, okay,
this well, I know that's Arnold. That's Danny, that's right.
Tweens queens yep, this is eighty one, eighty eight eighty eight. Yeah.

(02:00:49):
Is this Eddie Vedder? No, it's Bono. Oh you two? Okay, okay,
we're really dating myself here. I have no clue. Is this?

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Don't don't tell me? Is this Lisa Manelli? That's what's
her name?

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
No? What's uh?

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
What's that be Midler?

Speaker 3 (02:01:10):
That's Ben Midler, damn no way, Okay, I wouldn't have
recognized her.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
This is Is this the Saint Molly Ringwald? Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
This is Bill Murray that day? No, yeah, that's uh Scrooged,
oh Scrooge. Okay, And then I have no clue. I
wouldn't have never gotten that. None of those I got,
I went I.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
Went over.

Speaker 3 (02:01:38):
I I I I should have been should have been
Groundhog's day. It should have been because I went for
the gopher, the over gopher.

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
That was that was bad.

Speaker 3 (02:01:48):
I don't know any of those people. I'm I'm gonna
stick to sports. I know some sports people.

Speaker 1 (02:01:54):
You know. Obviously the two toys right there, I knew that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
Yeah, I could have figured out Oz before you said anything,
and then Boz. I maybe would have gotten Boz wrong,
just because I wouldn't have been thinking about it, but
because we're discussing it, obviously I would have thought about it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
Starting. I love that starting lineup made the made the
I made the cover of People magazine. I can't believe
I didn't know one person. You knew Bill murt You
know you knew? Oh yeah, I knew Bill and Arnold
and Dan. Do you know any of the women though, no,
not even close. Trust me, Bette Midler doesn't dress like
that all.

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
No, I know, I wouldn't have even but still I
wouldn't have even been able to recognize.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
Who was it? It was Bete Midler and I said
it was Liza mine. I'm an EIGHTI that was. I
couldn't have been more farther from like the correct answer.
I feel like that's wild, of course, hang on see
if he gets it, Greg's going to pass it in
touchdown to Mike Tice. Right, yep, wow, yep, Seattle finally

(02:02:55):
gets on the board again. So basically you got the Penguin,
mister Freeze, and Catwoman. Oh okay, I guess years later, first,
not all together? Actually Batman returns return was Catwoman in that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
When Batman returns? Was Danny Defito as the penguin and
Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman? I thought, are you sure she
wasn't poison ivy? No, she was not poison ivy. In
the movies and Batman and Robin you had Earl Schwartz Andegrees,
mister frees, and you had Uma Thurman as Ice. Poison
ivy seahawk is in the stadium. A Seattle Seahawk is

(02:03:36):
in the stadium. It looked like it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
Yeah, there's eleven of them, eleven of them on special
teams right now.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
No, in the air, I fly, you know, fly fly
Robin fly, No, fly Seahawk fly. Did they lose it? Oh?
There it is, mhm Seattle yew.

Speaker 3 (02:04:02):
The Raiders have been looking for the Seahawks for three quarters. Yeah,
for real, with you have I told you the story

(02:04:29):
I probably have when the crow landed on my coworker's shoulder.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
When I was in the Navy, we were.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
Going home one time, like we were leaving work and
we had to get picked up for work, and then
they would give us a ride back to the barracks.
I lived in an apartment, but like they would give
us a ride back to the barracks and I would
park at the barracks and then drive back to my
apartment after work or whatever. This kid gets done with work,
a crow lands on his shoulder as he's getting on

(02:04:57):
the bus to leave work, right on his shoulder on
the bus, he goes into the armory, downloads his weapon,
like unloads his weapon, turns in all of his stuff.
Crow is still on his shoulder the whole time gets
back on the bus they bring him back to the barracks.
The crow is still on his shoulder, stays on for
like an hour and a half, and like throughout the

(02:05:19):
shoulder to cry and it's the shoulder to sit on.
Throughout this whole process, this crow is like roosting on
his shoulder. And then right as he gets back to
his like barracks room, he just looks at his shoulder,
looks at the crow and goes, you're free now, and
the crow just flies away dead.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
Seriously, the Shawshank Redemption Shore.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
Percent just said that, like the crow just was waiting
for him to give him permission to leave.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
Is there the weirdest thing I've ever seen? It's just
like Jack Nicholson where the raven will talk to him,
won't talk to anyone else, but nice to see you here.
I'm doing my best because there are there then the raven,
uh the sixties or the raven. Well, he gets in,
he gets trapped thirty fourteen, end of Three Raiders leading

(02:06:02):
the Seahawks. Anyway, the what what the hell is that? Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
That was great?

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
What was that mascot?

Speaker 3 (02:06:17):
It looked like an otter with a helmet. It didn't
even look like a Seahawk. It looked like an otter
with a helmet playing saxophone. Yeah, that was funny.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
Anyway, what happened is Nicholson would be not trapped, but
or he would be sent to you know, like a
prison down below the gaalley essentially right, and he'd be
tied up and in comes this raven that would talk
to him, just goes through the window and say bears
on the window and that's how he saves him. So

(02:06:45):
what movie is that? I think it's called again, I
think it was called The Raven. I gotta look it up, yeah,
because I've never heard of that. And that's a horror
movie too, But again I'm talking campy horror film, not blood.
Then he guts or you know, yeah, like a thriller. More. Yeah,
you know, where is the Seahawk going? How'd he get in?

(02:07:05):
Somebody opened the door and said, you know, seahawks.

Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
Are us the rave in nineteen sixty three, Yeah, with
Vincent Price, Yes, Peter lore Laurie, Peter Laurie, excuse me,
the legendary Boris karlov yep okay, and then Jack Nichols
and Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
I always get him in Jack Nicholas, I'm not the
Golden Bear. Yeah, I know, I'm not the Golden Bear.
I play golf, but I'm not the Golden Bear. Wendy Darling,
love of my Life. I'm not going to hurt you.

Speaker 3 (02:07:48):
It's one of my favorite movies, This Mechanical Bird. It
looked like it had like a streamer off of its like.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
It's you're not gonna it's like, you're not gonna do
the conspiracy theory that birds aren't real? Are you? No?
But I love that. I hate that's so much. Birds
aren't real? Jackson Dart says that the moon landing never happened.
Actually his He says his favorite conspiracy theory is that
the moon landing never happened. My favorite one. Great I uh,

(02:08:23):
I used to think. I used to, Oh, got kicked
in the got kicked, got slammed you never, You're never
gonna You're never gonna live that down, are you? Madonna
and shoulder pads. That's so good. I didn't come up

(02:08:46):
with that. I love that. That's so good.

Speaker 3 (02:08:48):
Madonna and shoulder pads so good.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
We only got four minutes to win the game. You
gotta go back, and I gotta go eighties. You gotta
go eighties with Yeah, I know, yeah, not not not
not two thousands, I don't know, not exactly. Madonna's best decade, Well,
this decade actually is at Madonna's best decade she's had
as a press time she's had. She has not had
a top forty in this decade.

Speaker 3 (02:09:15):
How many in the twenties in the twenty twenties, Yeah,
has shed how many tracks have she dropped? Didn't she
drop a new album she had?

Speaker 1 (02:09:22):
Like she's dropped like three albums in this decade. Really like, no,
we're done with you, even though you're the queen of pop. Yeah,
but that was what forty years ago? Oh she's been all. Well,
here's the thing, like her prime was what like forty
thirty years ago? Well essentially nineties, I said, maybe maybe
even early two thousands was her prime. Okay, Okay, here's

(02:09:46):
the thing. I think And look at the Rushing Yards
three hundred and nine by the Raiders, total thirty seven. Yeah, dang, yeah,
I think when it's all said and done, there's a
chance Tailor Swift is going to be the biggest pop
star of all time. Oh yeah, I mean men, woman,
it does not matter.

Speaker 3 (02:10:06):
Well, I guess the other thing too, is well that's
the That's one thing is like I feel like Madonna.

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
Maybe maybe I don't know all.

Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
The statistics, like I'm obviously just making up stuff like
I'm not like I don't have any like resourceful information.
It's like an opinion. But maybe Madonna didn't reach men
like Taylor.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
Swift, Like I mean, Madonna had mass appeal. So yeah,
I'm Swift has the same thing. Swift has mass appeal.
But I feel like.

Speaker 3 (02:10:40):
The other thing that's going to help Taylor be a
bigger star than Madonna is just the platform. Like there's
more ways to hear like Taylor's music now than there
were for Madonna in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (02:10:53):
The times we live in right now as well. You
also have to remember Madonna is now what sixty seven? Yeah,
okaybably somewhere around there. She's sixty seven. She was born
in August of nineteen fifty eight. Okay, so she's sixty
seven at press time, she's sixty seven years of age, right,
How difficult is it for someone at that age to

(02:11:14):
stay relevant? Yeah, popular music, let alone anything else like
television like streaming and or novels and or just in general.
And how often do you hear Madonna tracks play?

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:11:28):
You're not gonna hear Madonna played on like a today's
top hits, No, you know what I mean, because she
doesn't have top hits. So it's the younger generation unless
they know, unless they're trying to listen to, like older.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
People know who Madonna is. Yeah, they're aware of Madonna.

Speaker 3 (02:11:43):
They're just Madonna like this younger like the younger generation,
they know from from word of mouth, you know, like
they might they might hear her music. But even then,
it's not like Madonna is so like popular to that point, yeah,
where she's still like everyone just knows auditdically that's Madonna.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
Like it's it's more of seventeen rushes, two d and
twenty one yards thirteen yards of carry, two touchdowns. It's
more of it was getting the player of the game here,
Yeah for real, Yeah, it's more.

Speaker 3 (02:12:12):
It's more of just again, more people can just hear
Taylor's music easier.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
There's more.

Speaker 3 (02:12:20):
There's more people in the world nowadays than there were
in the eighties anyways, Like there's the population's bigger. The
like technology has improved the even from when even from
when Madonna was in if you want to call her prime,
even the early two thousands, the technology from then to
now is vastly different. Like people illegally streaming your music

(02:12:43):
was huge in the early two thousands and nowadays, like
you can't really do that as much like criminal scum.
I mean, there probably are ways that I don't do
or know of or whatever. But it's like it's called YouTube,
yeah exactly, Like it's but even then it's like artists
still get pay that and it's oh.

Speaker 1 (02:13:01):
Here's the thing about that. If it's on the official
channel of whatever channel, yeah, correct. If they have the
song though, and it's just someone posting that song and
like to pictures of said individual or individuals, that's different.

Speaker 3 (02:13:17):
Yeah, but that's also how you get like you can
get like videos, dcmaid and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
Yes, you know, copyright strike stuff like that. Especially you
know who's notorious for that, Warner Music.

Speaker 3 (02:13:29):
Yeah, I know, Well they had a big thing with
didn't they have like a big like not a lawsuit
or maybe I'm thinking of Universal. It's like someone had
like a big like uh battle with TikTok or something
I think at like last year or something like that. Yeah,
and like basically being like you can't use our music
on your platform or something.

Speaker 1 (02:13:48):
The Eagles were notorious for that as well. Oh, I
know they're huge for it. People.

Speaker 3 (02:13:53):
There was a hip hop artist I liked, or an
R and B artist I like, Frank Ocean if you
know who Franks Goshen.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
Is Frank Cake by the Ocean and he uh.

Speaker 3 (02:14:04):
He had a like a mixtape in the like twenty
ten's yeah, that had a I forget it was called
an American Wedding is the name of the track.

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
You can probably look it up.

Speaker 3 (02:14:16):
But I think he had to take it down because
it was like over the It was him singing R
and B over like Hotel California or something like that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
So the Eagles, and the Eagles shut that down.

Speaker 3 (02:14:26):
They were like no, no, no, no, no, yeah, because
he used to perform it live, I think, like at
concerts and do that live.

Speaker 1 (02:14:33):
But and then they trot a profit off of it
without their permission.

Speaker 3 (02:14:37):
Right, They heard that he was performing it live, and
then they found out that he had it like on
streaming or something and shut it down.

Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Boz with another sack. The way the relevancy though for
Taylor Swift as a posed to uh Madonna as well
in terms of the relevancy, yeah yeah, oh well the

(02:15:06):
way she's been able to market as well, stay up
to date in market and stuff like that. Yeah, one hundred.
I mean like.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
When she first started, she was like a country artist,
and she's been able to be more now she's full fledged. Also,
you can't you can't make a billion dollars in country, No,
you can't. You have to switch you have to switch genres.

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
You have to. You're not going to make a billion
dollars again country again. You can only plateau so much
in that in that industry. So going to pop and
also saving the pop genre, I think again, I think
she did.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
Yeah, but I think that it would have been I
think pop would have still been saved. I mean there
would have been like Lady Gaga, I feel like, had
a good like movement with pop, not like not like Tailor,
And Lady Gaga's music is a totally different almost john
what did.

Speaker 1 (02:16:13):
They call her a copycat of? I don't know her
cousin Madonna Lady Gaga.

Speaker 3 (02:16:19):
Yeah, maybe I feel like Lady Gaga was more like
and I again, I don't know Madonna that well, but
do you want to like Lady Gaga was like almost
like gothic with her music. It was like it was pop,
but like stuff like bad Romance and songs like that

(02:16:40):
make it feel like it's more like a darker pop
as opposed to like Madonna is like Vogue, you know,
like I don't more than just Vogue, right, I'm just
saying like Madonna was more of like to me, like.

Speaker 1 (02:16:55):
She's not like I don't I don't want to describe it,
like I don't want to be rude or have people yelling.

Speaker 3 (02:17:02):
At me through the through the, through the But it's
like I think when I think of Madonna, I think
of like like I think of I think of Breakfast
at Tiffany's type of female, like I think of like
not Audrey Hepburn, But like when I think of Madonna,

(02:17:24):
I think of the eighties, like Audrey Heppern's not eighties,
but I think of like, well, right, I'm I think
of like shopping malls, like like Stranger Things esque time frame.
Not that, not that I'm trying to say that, but
what I'm trying to say is like I think of
Madonna as like a shopping girl, and I think of

(02:17:45):
Lady Gaga.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
As a material girl. Yes, exactly, Like I think of
Lady Gaga as the jobs first interview on nightline following
Monday night football, no, following your late local news. Excuse me.
I think of like Lady Gaga as like uh uh,
dark and twisted is like she had to because because
she was trying to be like her cousin.

Speaker 3 (02:18:07):
Yes, because well, like poker faces, like her first hit was,
like that's more like Madonna. That's not like as dark
as like Bad Romance or Papa Razzi.

Speaker 1 (02:18:19):
Do you know what her? You know her? You know her?
Her real name is, right, Lady Gaga. No, not off
the top. Stephanie Germanata. Sorry, that's not gonna it's not
gonna sell. Sorry, it's a no for me, Doug.

Speaker 3 (02:18:30):
That's not gonna sell records. Stephanie Germanata, Stephanie German Nah,
that's a that's a. That's a Germanada for me, Doug.

Speaker 1 (02:18:40):
Yep. Bobby Joe Edmunds, son of Bobby Joe Edmunds Senior,
did that late in the Old Ages, old as opposed
to the New one.

Speaker 3 (02:18:53):
Yeah, back when the Pacers were actually winning championships and
the A, B A not the NBA.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
They came close though, Oh that could have been. That
was scary. Yeah, that was actually scary. That could have
been like horrific to watch eight forty four to go
at is thirty seven to fourteen Raiders leading Seattle is

(02:19:20):
bos wearing Franklin gloves. I think he is. I didn't
get to see football frank. I think he's wearing Franklin
because I think if the cameraman could hold the step no, nope,
And now we've got yeah nope.

Speaker 3 (02:19:32):
Now we're behind the bench. Why are we getting a
first person action walk through? You know what, I'm starting
to wonder what our YouTube boy, Raider Rob Yeah, with
the Raider tapes?

Speaker 1 (02:19:47):
Yeah? Is he the cameraman additional footage provided?

Speaker 3 (02:19:53):
I'm genuinely wondering, is Raider Rob working for the production
team at the Kingdome or for the Raiders because again,
we saw we saw al or we heard al Yeah
talk about a sponsor earlier, but we didn't see it correct.
And every time they cut to a commercial, we stay
on the field. There's no commercials like and we just
lose the audio. I'm wondering if Raider Rob had something

(02:20:16):
to do with one of the production teams back in
nineteen eighty seven. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say
anything to the NFL, but it sounds like Raider Rob
just look over your shoulder. The NFL might be coming
for the tapes. You gotta hide the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (02:20:29):
Now now see now you've tipped them off. See I
don't wanna, I don't want to tip them off, but
I feel like I feel like Raider Rob might be
doing something sketchy he is. He's there. We go. Okay,
so now you got the big three here, Dan, Frank
and Al. Look how young Al looks? Yeah, wow, you
have Al, Frank and Dan. I wonder how young Al

(02:20:51):
Michaels looked at the at the nineteen eighty winner Olympics.
You've never seen photos? No, because this is from eighty seven. Yeah,
I mean he's young.

Speaker 3 (02:21:00):
He don't get me wrong, but he's probably a baby
during the Olympics. Also, look how huge Dan Dierdorf is, Like,
I mean, there, he looks bigger because he's closer to
the camera than everyone else.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
But he is huge. Like his hands are huge. He
looks like he could crush a cinderblock with one hand.
Oh yeah, right, Greg Townsend, Craig has just been Craig's

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gonna be looking in the in the the classifies. He's
gonna be looking for He's gonna be looking for a
new job after this. Not because they're firing him. He's
just gonna be like, I need out, I need I
need a desk job. I've been getting salacked for four
quarters a long time though. Yeah, probably needed an ice

(02:22:02):
bath after this game. I don't think they did that
back then, No, he probably went to the locker room smoke,
Probably smoked a cigarette. Oh oh, here we go. Probably
had a cigarette in the locker room, Probably had a mudweiser.
He had a mcash tray. Yeah, at the locker.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
He's had he had probably one of those like built
in car lighters that are in the like car car
outlet or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:22:30):
He's got one of those. At the locker. He just
gets the locker, pushes it and he's like, I need
a marb read from my mcash tray. Sports medicine has
evolved since then.

Speaker 3 (02:22:42):
Yeah, back in the day, they're like, ah, you got
you got a torn achilles, all right, smoke a pack
of cart and smoke a carton.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
Of mar Reads and then we'll be good. Just hit
a hit, a sniff and salt and you'll be good.
Terror achilles. No, you'll never walk again. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:22:59):
Back then they were like, we're gonna have to take
your leg. Yeah, we don't know how to fix it,
so we're gonna remove it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:05):
Robocops gonna shoot your leg and we're gonna take it
off that way, just like yeah, sorry, bite the belt. No,
that was eighteen eighty seven, not nineteen eighty seven. Or
seventeen eighty seven. They still they had football back then,

(02:23:28):
but no forward progress. There was a lot of things
that have a lot of forward progress back then. Oh
that's great, that's gread. I don't think it was that great.
I don't think it was that great. If you were there,
were you there, it wasn't that great. Yeah, some might

(02:23:50):
argue it wasn't great at all. No, d the lack
of form progress is crazy. Oh that's great. Thirty seven
fourteen Raiders Seahawks. The playback Monday Night football classics were
in October. It's still going to be doing these all
the way to the end of December. We got some

(02:24:11):
more classics on the way again from the seventies, the eighties,
the nineties, and the two thousands and the twenty tens,
just not the twenty twenties.

Speaker 3 (02:24:21):
Don't want to go up to the current decade. We
want to do some the play back, not the play yesterday.

Speaker 1 (02:24:27):
Right, That's why they call them instant classics, right. Eight
fifteen to go. John L.

Speaker 3 (02:24:41):
Williams trying to conduct a symphony of offense down the field.
I see what you did there, Yeah, play the Imperial March.
Seattle's trying to Imperial march their way down the field.

Speaker 1 (02:24:56):
Okay, all right, I'm sorry, don't don't shut up, don't
overdoal with.

Speaker 3 (02:25:11):
Eighteen twelve overdone.

Speaker 1 (02:25:14):
Well, seventeen eighty seven over time.

Speaker 3 (02:25:23):
Yeah, it's all garbage time from here pretty much. I
don't think there's enough time for Seattle to get anything
really going.

Speaker 1 (02:25:35):
Was Jake Green in this game? Or no, you don't remember.
I don't know. I haven't heard his name. I don't
think that was crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:25:44):
The center snapped the ball and turned around and looked
at the quarterback like he like I played center. Not
once in my career did I snap the ball and
turn around and look at the quarterback after I hiked it?

Speaker 1 (02:25:56):
Was that picked? No, I's out. See that's what Dave
Craig see. He's got Dan fouts. Oh I see the yeah, yeah,
yeah right there. I say this with Jake Green because
I do have that one. By the way, I think
he's smiling. I think it's yeah. I think he's like
doing this. I don't think. I don't think yeah, because

(02:26:18):
I've got bases, so I've got I've got bass, I've
got Jake Green. Boss looks like he's throwing a football
where he's like doing a rip move like a think
he's like ripping through the line almost. That's the idea
that that's the pose, you know. So this is not

(02:26:40):
going to be a fun way to be a Seattle Seahawk.
Oh my gosh. Yah, I gotta say, we haven't talked

(02:27:06):
much about the booth. Yeah, other than like.

Speaker 3 (02:27:10):
End of the third quarter really when we saw Dan
on the on the screen a couple of minutes ago,
and uh really at the beginning of the game. But
great crew, And I feel like al Al's killing it.
I mean he's Al Michaels, yes, and we both can
become the guy. Yeah, we both consider him like one
of the I mean, I don't want to speak for you,

(02:27:32):
but I feel like we both consider him like top
five commentator all time or broadcaster for sports commentators.

Speaker 1 (02:27:39):
And still going on at press time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:27:45):
Well, I I think Alice is just putting on an
incredible performance though, like on the mic tonight. Yeah, Like
I feel like he's the with the Kansas City Royal,
the E seven legendary that's a legendary call again, the

(02:28:09):
Raiders uniforms and I already said this too, but they
just are so clean they're they're timeless. They're just always
look clean. The simple black, white, the black, silver, silver
and black, silver and black, however you want to word it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:25):
Yeah, well the home uniforms are silver and black, whereas
the road uniforms the white has the silver and black.

Speaker 3 (02:28:34):
But I just think that even today, like today's day
and age, I think the Raiders use it works.

Speaker 1 (02:28:41):
There's Steve Largent right there.

Speaker 3 (02:28:44):
Yeah, very unhappy. He's had a they've had him bottled up.
I think he's had like two catches.

Speaker 1 (02:28:51):
And even then you considered one of the I think
at one time he actually was considered the greatest wide
receiver of all time? Really? Yeah, like pre right? Correct?
Okay again, where is he? Where's he on all time
receiving yards? Oh, he's got to be He's got to
be way way down there now. Yeah. The wide receiver
position has changed very much so since then.

Speaker 3 (02:29:14):
And we've had some incredible talent since then too, like
Randy Moss too. Where's Largen though?

Speaker 1 (02:29:22):
Two catches twenty five yards? Damn, I didn't realize this.
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (02:29:28):
Number twelve is on the all time Chris Carter's number thirteen? Yeah, uh,
Chris Carter's number thirteen all time on receiving yards. Andre
Johnson's number eleven, number twelve. Yeah, James Lofton, Yeah, has
more yards than Steve Largent, right there. Largent second on

(02:29:52):
the NFL all time eleven thousand. When did he play till?

Speaker 1 (02:30:01):
Probably it was this wasn't his last year, was it?
He's twentieth all time? Okay he No, he finished with
thirteen thousand. Okay, so he probably played until like eighty nine, Right,
I'm looking eighty nine. Okay, Yeah, there's that damn Seahawks.
Look at it's perched.

Speaker 3 (02:30:20):
Also, this is weird. Did he did he get hurt
a lot? Or wait, never mind, I was looking at
the wrong thing. Yeah, he played till eighty nine. Eighty
nine was his last year. He played ten games. It's
a good career, Steve Large. I mean, he's obviously a
Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (02:30:41):
But it's just it. Sports are weird, man, Yes they are.

Speaker 3 (02:30:44):
Like DeAndre Hawkins has more yards than Steve Large, and
Steve Large it's a super is a Hall of famer,
But you don't think DeAndre Hawkins will finish in the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (02:30:57):
See It's like stuff like that that makes me like,
how does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (02:31:05):
You know, Like are people like Terry Bradshaw who has
like Super Bowl trophies and stuff, which I get why
that's why he's in the hall. But it's like Terry
Bradshaw's in the Hall of Fame and his passing stats
are awful.

Speaker 1 (02:31:18):
They are a lot of them were back then, right,
And I guess that's a little different.

Speaker 3 (02:31:23):
But it's just like if Largent makes it in, then
why is the nineteen people above him not in the
Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 (02:31:29):
Like what separates all pros impact on the game?

Speaker 3 (02:31:37):
Like Reggie Wayne's top ten all time receiving yards. Yeah,
do you think Reggie Wayne is a Hall of Famer?

Speaker 1 (02:31:44):
He should be.

Speaker 3 (02:31:49):
Larry Fitzgerald, He's definitely making it into the hall. Steve Smith,
do you think he's a Hall of Famer?

Speaker 1 (02:31:53):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:31:54):
And he's he's eight all time receiving yards.

Speaker 1 (02:31:57):
What about touchdowns and everything else?

Speaker 3 (02:31:59):
Right, I don't know how many, Like I don't know
where he is on that list, but he is. He
has eighty one career touchdowns receiving. He has two rushing
touchdowns in his career.

Speaker 1 (02:32:15):
No, I'm talking receiving. No, I know, but I'm just saying,
like He also had two rushing touchdowns. He had.

Speaker 3 (02:32:24):
Fourteen thousand yards one thousand catches. Like, what is the
benchmark in football? If we consider it like three thousand
strikeouts and three thousand hits like a benchmark in baseball
to like you get that you're going to the hall. Yeah,
what do you think is like a what should be
like the benchmark for there is no Like that's the
thing about football is there's no benchmarkts just like are

(02:32:46):
you better than the last guy?

Speaker 1 (02:32:48):
Kind of with wide receivers it's different, whereas with quarterbacks,
you know, four hundred touchdowns, five hundred touchdowns, six hundred
touchdown that would be different.

Speaker 3 (02:32:59):
Okay, yeah, so you think like if you hit like
four hundred touchdowns, you could be considered or you should
be considered.

Speaker 1 (02:33:07):
Well, I mean nothing's guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (02:33:10):
I'm just saying, like, do you think that would put
you up for consideration if you had that many like
passing touchdowns?

Speaker 1 (02:33:17):
Four hundred touchdowns or something? What is the like let
me see the All right, let's change it up real quick.
Three minutes to go, let's do passing touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (02:33:40):
See, yeah, that's tough because only eight quarterbacks ever have
hit four hundred touchdowns. Two of them are active, right,
or well, actually one of them's active. Matt Stafford's just
under four hundred.

Speaker 1 (02:33:55):
He'll hit it. Rogers is at he's at five eleven,
five eleven, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:33:59):
He's he's a guaranteed. Yes, I mean he's three time
MVP or four time?

Speaker 1 (02:34:05):
Yeah, four time. Oh, it's gonna take me to the
two minute warning. San Diego not anymore? Yeah, I know,

(02:34:27):
two minute warning.

Speaker 3 (02:34:29):
The Raiders would give up their spot to let San
Diego slide in. It would only take them what like
thirty five years to pretty much make that happen somewhere
around there.

Speaker 1 (02:34:41):
Thirty seven to fourteen a blowout here in Seattle. Well,
we'll get a football team first, Oakland or San Diego.
Like again, yeah, I don't know it would be San
Diego you think so? Yes, you don't think Oakland would
get a team. Oakland is never getting a professional sports
team ever again. Really, that city is just so. They

(02:35:04):
lost Oracle, they lost, they lost the Warriors, they lost
the A's, they lost the Raiders. How do you come
back from that? You can lose one, you lose where
do the what is the Niners Stadium? Now?

Speaker 3 (02:35:19):
It's not Santa Clara, right, candle Stick was that in
San Francisco? Yes, I didn't know if that was like,
oh it was. I didn't know if that was across
the bay in Oakland at all.

Speaker 1 (02:35:29):
No, No, it was. It was in San Francisco. That's
what I thought. And nobody liked Candlestick Park, nobody, That's
what I've heard. Yes, it's freezing in July. Yeah, I
feel like you don't want to go to a place
where it's freezing in July. Yeah, I'm sorry. You know,
doesn't even get cold in NorCal like that, like, like

(02:35:50):
what is like the their falls are essentially winter apparently really, Yeah,
so when I go there in February, I'll let you
know how cold it is or isn't. Thanks. I think
it's not as cold in late February, so their winters
are earlier kind of. Yeah. In Georgia we had winter

(02:36:13):
for a month.

Speaker 3 (02:36:16):
December, it'd be winter for I think it was, like
I guess actually it was winter from like December to February.

Speaker 1 (02:36:25):
That was really. But then even then the winters are
like the feel of it, Yeah, the feel is like
it's still like sixty degrees like maybe at night it
would get to like forty or fifty. That was like
the coldest. Hm.

Speaker 3 (02:36:36):
It snowed one time when I lived in Georgia one time,
and it was so hot still that like the snow
would hit the ground and just instantly melted it.

Speaker 1 (02:36:44):
I was gonna say, is like in Denver, Colorado, it'll
it'll snow or it'll snow right, You'll have this big
snow storm. The next day it's ninety six degrees like
it never happened yep, so nothing would stick.

Speaker 3 (02:36:56):
My sister she got a week off from school once
because they got an inch of snow in Georgia. Like
cause Sheila Athens is like North Georgia. It's like, yes,
closer to the Appalachian yep, like trail, so like they
get they get snow very rarely still, but they're more
likely to get it than where I lived. I lived
on like the coast by the ocean. It was humid

(02:37:18):
and warm all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:37:21):
Third and goal for the raiders.

Speaker 3 (02:37:23):
There were days where I would just pray to get
heat strokes, so someone would bring me inside so I
could cool down because it was just so hot some days,
just like I have to stand outside if I if
I just collapse. Someone will bring me somewhere with an
ac please just bring me inside.

Speaker 1 (02:37:39):
It's so cool. It's so hot. It would be like one.

Speaker 3 (02:37:41):
Hundred and ten degrees with like one hundred percent humidity.

Speaker 1 (02:37:43):
Feels like you're in the Middle East Abu Dhabi, Georgia. Yeah,
pretty much. I don't mind. Again, I don't mind. I
don't mind hot weather a song. It's not brutally oppressive heat.

Speaker 3 (02:38:02):
Well, that's the thing, is like that Florida, Georgia, Like
humidity is awful. The humidity makes it so like you
go outside and you feel like you can't breathe, or
like as soon as you step outside, you're like, wow,
I'm sweating, like immediately, like when I lived in Texas.

Speaker 1 (02:38:16):
Texas is nice because it's a dry heat. Oh my gosh,
is he in? Is he out cold? Is he alive?
In Pittsburgh? He still ish walked into that one. I
just have one question. Will they get this in Cleveland? Well,

(02:38:40):
it'll be on I don't they'll get it. Look at
this hit he takes Boom, he got jacked up. Oh
my gosh, yeah, you didn't get in here, scop and
then boom, he's not in Boom dead yeah, crash, boom bang.

Speaker 3 (02:39:02):
I'm waiting for the ref to walk over and call
it six twenty seven pm something like.

Speaker 1 (02:39:08):
That fourth and goal play game. No one will ever
accuse the Raiders of running up the score. No, they
sure won't. No, they won't.

Speaker 3 (02:39:27):
Yeah, wait till the Dolphins get a hold of the
Broncos twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three, whenever.

Speaker 1 (02:39:34):
Talk about running the score up. Yeah, but who hasn't
been the same since that happened? How the how the
mighty have fallen? How the roles have reversed? Actually, okay,
fourth and goal, it's not going to get in. No, Nope,

(02:39:58):
Muller does not get in, not Muell or mule Er.
Is Seattle just gonna kneel it? And is that Davis? Right? There?

Speaker 3 (02:40:08):
Was that Al Davis on the sideline right there where
he was? He was standing next to Flores on the
Raiders sideline. I think probably at least he's not the
owner's box. I hate those shots, by the way, what
the camera shots of the owners every every NFL game now,
it's always some Well.

Speaker 1 (02:40:26):
It's because Jerry Jerry, like.

Speaker 3 (02:40:30):
I feel like he just draws so much attention they
want to like, especially this year, I feel like Jerry
Jones has been I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:40:38):
John saying, well, every NFL, every NFL owner. Now, I
know it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:40:41):
I feel like it started with Jerry, but now it's
maybe that's the.

Speaker 1 (02:40:44):
Thing where Jerry Rice. Now Jerry Jones says, put the
camera on one of the owners. Yeah, maybe burdered for that.
I don't know all exactly. I thought he, oh my gosh,
that will do it.

Speaker 3 (02:41:03):
I thought he was just gonna spike it into the
offensive lineman like it looked like or not like it
looked like Craig was just literally trying to get rid
of it and he was throwing it like that. Yeah,
and the Seahawks, we saw the standings. If they had
won this game, they would have been tied with the

(02:41:25):
San Diego Chargers at the top of the AFC West
and not gonna happen. Nope, Raiders are going to be
five and seven after this.

Speaker 1 (02:41:44):
No, no, no, no, no. I'm pretty sure it was out.

Speaker 3 (02:41:47):
He was wearing glasses and he looked like he had
like a like a almost like a black eye.

Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
Okay, yeah, it probably was. Yeah bo Bono's prime time
I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:42:01):
Yeah, Bono's Monday Night here in nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:42:05):
Los Angeles Raiders thirty seven, Seattle Seahawks fourteen in Puget Sound.

Speaker 3 (02:42:11):
The Seahawks losing the Kingdome. That was a fun one, dog.
It's good for bo Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:42:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:42:18):
Fun if you're a Raiders fan, Yeah, very much. So,
not so much if you're a Seattle fan.

Speaker 1 (02:42:22):
No, they needed this one and they could not get it.
La Raiders all over there, one time division rival in Seattle.
And there's bos Bos and bow Ye cut from the
same cloth in terms of being drafted. Yeah, both rookies here,
both rookies. Yeah, great showcase of two great rookies. And

(02:42:46):
it seems like they're having a good chat I assuming it.
They're having a good chat here.

Speaker 3 (02:42:50):
It looks like they're they have some respect for one
another as great athletes.

Speaker 1 (02:42:55):
Yeah, and Boz by the way, Franklin gloves house. Yeah,
there you go. Monday Night football. Oh, we'll do the
Jets and the Dolphins, just not from nineteen eighty seven
and not from Miami. So the future as stands. And

(02:43:15):
look at the old ABC Sports logo. I like it.
How about that? Huh? Yeah? Raiders thirty seven Seattle fourteen.
This is back when they were the La Raiders and
all eyes on bow. You're listening to the playback with
Jay Dog and CJ on the Pulse podcast network. The
aftermath of Bo essentially knowing prime time as the Raiders

(02:43:40):
were able to defeat the Seattle Seahawks, one time rivals
in the AFC West Division and Bo Jackson was just
everywhere in this game and the best bet award. If
you were betting back then, what would the money line
have looked like? The odds? How sure are risky? This
would have been what it looked like.

Speaker 3 (02:43:58):
So going into it and let me put on the book.
Of course the money line, the Seahawks were the favorites.
We heard in the pregame the Raiders were on a
seven game losing streak, so Seattle was minus one forty
at home in the Kingdome to beat the Raiders. Seattle
in second place in the AFC West at the time.
The Raiders were plus one twenty on the money line.

(02:44:21):
The spread was two and a half points, so minus
two and a half for Seattle plus two and a
half for the Raiders, both of those at minus one
ten and then the over under for your total points
was forty one points.

Speaker 1 (02:44:36):
That did hit. They did hit, it did hit, it
was over.

Speaker 3 (02:44:39):
So that was minus one fifteen for the over, minus
one oh five for the under for forty one points total.

Speaker 1 (02:44:46):
The best bet here, uh, the.

Speaker 3 (02:44:50):
Over is the overhit the Raiders on plus two and
a half hit, and then the Raiders money line are
the three bets that hit out of that, the best
money would be Raiders money line at plus one twenty,
you would you're in the plus money. The other two
bets are minus, so you'd make more money if you

(02:45:10):
just bet on the Raiders' money line going into this dog.

Speaker 1 (02:45:14):
What would you have done? You know yourself, who would
you have kind of leaned towards on this game? For sure,
the Seahawks, because they're at home, They've got an opportunity
to essentially bury the Raiders here, which is a division
rival on Monday night football here in nineteen eighty seven.
Do it in prime time, bury them and not even
give them a second opportunity to breathe and get them

(02:45:37):
during prime time and then work and focus on San
Diego and Denver.

Speaker 3 (02:45:41):
I was about to say, on top of that, Seattle
with a win here would have tied the lead with
San Diego, so that was huge for them going into
this game. But of course we know the Raiders ended
up winning it. So again, your best bet would have
been Raiders' money line. Jade Dog would have taken Seattle.
I probably would have done the same thing going into it.
I don't think I would have taken the upset even
though both Jackson, how he long some of those players.

(02:46:02):
I mean, they still had Steve Largent and the Bosh
on Seattle.

Speaker 1 (02:46:05):
So, speaking of which worst Athletic Moment award, what went
terribly wrong? Was it a choke, a collapse, or just
playing bad luck? We saw bos get exposed in this game.

Speaker 3 (02:46:14):
Yeah, I was about to say the truck over the
bas in the end zone is the It's like the
nail in his career, and it's he's a rookie, you know,
like it kind of just like you said, it shaped
his career differently. If he stops bo Jackson at the
line there, people probably look at him as a different
type of player and it could shape out differently for

(02:46:36):
his you know, his whole career. But he gets run over,
people probably are like, I don't know if I trust
this guy on the goal line. To be the big
backer that everyone's expecting him to be. So I said
it again, you're going to be You're gonna be a
millionaire by the time we're done with the show.

Speaker 1 (02:46:52):
No, you're going to be riding my limousine. So Boz
gets exposed. What was yours? That same thing? Okay, the
truck of bos the trucking of the bass is it's
sad too because you know, yeah, it's it's raw athlete. Yeah,
look at him at Oklahoma, you.

Speaker 3 (02:47:08):
Know, but it's just he can't live again. I heard
this this weekend. Some when you get to the NFL.

Speaker 1 (02:47:16):
He used defining moments and that was one of the
defining moments.

Speaker 3 (02:47:19):
Was like some careers either flounder or explode off of
certain moments, and that was not good.

Speaker 1 (02:47:25):
The Peak Physical Specimen Award who looked like the ultimate
athlete physique and durrance dominance. Bo Jackson is just incredible
in this game.

Speaker 3 (02:47:34):
Yeah, he is the definition of peak physical specimen. I
mean the he had over two hundred rushing yards he
on on what like twelve carries too.

Speaker 1 (02:47:44):
He hit a whole new fitness. He hit like two
hundred yards with like twelve carries.

Speaker 3 (02:47:47):
Only it didn't even take that much and he had
a rushing or he had two rushing touchdowns and a
receiving touchdown. Yeah, incredible stat line for Bow and no
one looked even close to him now, not even Marcus
Allen looked like he was on the same level as
Bow in this game. So it was definitely Bow's game.
This was his almost his like coming out party.

Speaker 1 (02:48:08):
And then the best sports nickname? Who had the most
legendary nickname? Hilarious, perfectly fitting or all of the above?
What do you like better? You like Bos or do
you like blitz Craig. I like Bos, I like blitz
Craig as well. I'll say Dave blitz Craigs. I'd probably
say blitz Craig as well, even though the Bos like
the Wizard of Bos would have been cool something like that,

(02:48:30):
But I like just the Boss.

Speaker 3 (02:48:31):
But I think blitz Craig is one I didn't know,
like I knew who Bos was. And it's not it's
a nickname, but it's like his name, you know what
I mean? Like blitz Craig is his name too, but
it's it's like another word in there, so it's more
more playful, more funny.

Speaker 1 (02:48:45):
Here's what I understand. His name is blitz Craig, but
he's not like a linebacker, you know what I mean.
I think he's getting blitz Craig. He absolutely would be. Yes.
Do you know who the great quarterbacks of the Seattle
Seahawks were before oh no, clue for before Russ? Before Russ? Yeah,
I know, like Maddie hassel Beck who got the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (02:49:06):
I know, Hasselback and Dilford, or like the two Seahawks
quarterbacks I know.

Speaker 1 (02:49:11):
Called Dilfer a great quarterback in Seattle. Okay, Dave blitz
Craig and Jim Zorna. Okay, Yeah, that's it. Damn. That's
a short list. That's a very short list.

Speaker 3 (02:49:24):
Yeah, okay, you don't wait, you don't want to throw
Maddy Flynn on there, I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:49:32):
I almost got you at that or Sam Darnold A
long way to go before that happens.

Speaker 3 (02:49:36):
Also honorable mentioned to the Sandwich to Ruben Rodriguez, the punter.

Speaker 1 (02:49:41):
You called him that? I know, that's that's that's my
nickname for him. He's the Sandwich. Best Mike Work a
uh bite, Best Mike Work Award, who talked the Talk,
Best interviews, trash talker sound bites Al Michaels once again
with Frank Gifford and Dan Dierdorf. Al Frank and Dan
and I.

Speaker 3 (02:50:00):
I have to give it to Al als the winner,
but all three of them are great together.

Speaker 1 (02:50:03):
Go ahead, what was your I know you're oh yeah line,
go ahead? The in baseball in Kansas City, that'd be
an East seven. That's so good. You didn't mean Kansas
City against the Chiefs, No, he meant playing baseball because
Bo Jackson was playing baseball with the Kansas City Royals
as well. That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (02:50:20):
That was That's my favorite mic work so far out
of any playback we've done.

Speaker 1 (02:50:25):
That one's really good. I love that line in Kansas
City that'd be an East seven. That's so good. Al
Michaels a great sound right yeah, the wib right there. Yes,
Coolest Moment Award, the absolute chillest, sickest moment. Could be
a celebration, walk off, or an icy stare down. It's
going into the tunnel.

Speaker 3 (02:50:44):
Yeah, I was about to. I'm writing it down right now.
Running up the tunnel is Bono's Tunnels. Yeah, that's that's
easily the uh the play right there is running up
the tunnel and on top of it, I want to
give a shout out again some great mic where Dan
dear door.

Speaker 1 (02:51:01):
It was either Dan or Frank, but yeah, he just
ran by Spokane Tacoma. Yeah that so they know Washington
state apparently. Yeah, that's a big state. Yeah, that was
a That was great mic work.

Speaker 3 (02:51:13):
And honestly the whole play, Like when you see Bo
hit the corner and hit the edge there and take
off the speed, you can see his legs look like
they get faster as he starts to run.

Speaker 1 (02:51:25):
When he hits that corner. It's like like he picks
up momentum, like almost like he's running down hill. It
was impressive. Did it age well looking back? Does it
hold up any context changes or does it feel cringey? Now?
It absolutely holds up because Bo Jackson again didn't get
to go. He's not going to the Pro Football Hall
of Fame. Hell of an athlete had a hip injury.

(02:51:46):
It was never really the same played baseball was never
the same. And that run though, that run, that ninety
one yard run is still used in NFL films in
terms of just peak physical performance and also humor as well,
beccause how many times do you see football players run
into the tunnel ya for.

Speaker 3 (02:52:04):
Real, Like it's not something they typically do. It's not
like when like you see it in basketball. Sometimes when
like they like a like a buzzer beater, especially at
like halftime, they'll just go straight to the locker room
like not even you know, like their teammates will freak out,
but they'll just like, get off me, go straight to
the locker room, like bline.

Speaker 1 (02:52:21):
It almost like don't let them see me.

Speaker 3 (02:52:23):
And the only time you ever see something like this
is it's almost like that Jose Altov home run, you
know when he went to the dugout.

Speaker 1 (02:52:30):
Yeah, something like that. But yeah, don't don't, don't. We
don't talk about Jose. We don't know. Don't don't touch me, don't.
I got a new tattoo, Yeah, exactly, exact a buzzer
call tattoos now.

Speaker 3 (02:52:44):
But yeah, I think that it is a legendary game
and a legendary moment like that. That's a that's an
iconic moment that I had seen, but I had never
seen this game before. And and that right there is
a great example of why it lives up and tells
the it stands at the test of time.

Speaker 1 (02:53:00):
And this is a strike here in the NFL too,
especially the.

Speaker 3 (02:53:02):
Fact that Bo Jackson is one of the most iconic
athletes that isn't a Hall of Famer. Yeah, you know
what I mean, You know what I mean, Like he
is put on such a great performance for his short
time in the league that like to this day, people
still know who Bo is.

Speaker 1 (02:53:22):
Maybe not as much.

Speaker 3 (02:53:23):
We talked about it at the beginning of the playback,
the hype has died down.

Speaker 1 (02:53:27):
In recent He's doing everything. They kind of keep it.

Speaker 3 (02:53:30):
Yeah, they're gonna to this day, they're gonna make their
money off of it, oh for sure. But I think
that it is legendary. It lives up to the moment,
and that's why, Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:53:37):
It ages well. Raiders win the game though, so Raider
Rob the Raider tapes in parentheses special thanks to him
from this November thirtieth, nineteen eighty seven game between the
Los Angeles Raiders and the Seattle Seahawks. That does it
for this edition of the playback. We've got more classic

(02:53:58):
Monday night football than on the Pike Siege. We are
only in October. We've got November and December to go.
I know, we've got John Cena's last matchup we're going
to do or his last match will be in December,
but the classic match we're going to have as him
against the phenomenal aj Styles who had the WWE Championship
at the time from Royal Rumble twenty seventeen from San Antonio, Texas.

(02:54:19):
That's we're going to do that. We've got the World
Series continuing on with the Game six of the nineteen
seventy five World Series, which will premiere at noon on
on October twenty first, because it's going to fifty years
to the day when it happened. Also, Games one through
six of the nineteen ninety five World Series doesn't look

(02:54:40):
like we're actually going to get those on those same
exact dates unfortunately, but we will get them. Also in November,
the Imperfect Game, the Armando Galleaga, what was supposed to
be a perfect game did not. An absolute shame. Absolutely.
And also we are going to do the nineteen eighty

(02:55:01):
Miracle on ice game between Team USA for men's hockey
against the Soviets USSR. We're going to have that for
you in December. Because it's been forty five years since
it happened, we want to do it before the year
twenty twenty five comes to a close, and we will, and.

Speaker 3 (02:55:17):
We also want to do it before the Winter Olympics
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (02:55:20):
We're kind of it's kind of a little well, we're
gonna do it in twenty twenty five, right, right, but
I'm saying like, yeah, the Winter Olympics are coming up. Yes,
it's essentially like a two months before that previous.

Speaker 3 (02:55:28):
Yeah, it's like a little like kickstart for your Winter Olympics.

Speaker 1 (02:55:31):
And also we also have we're going to do the
Muhammad Ali versus the Bayone Bleeder Chuck Webner fight, which
was the template for Rocky Sylvester Stallone watched that fight
and I think it was March of nineteen seventy five,
and had hatched the idea of, you know what, maybe
this guy's a boxer. He's not a street thug guy.
He's a boxer. And with boxing, boxing movies have been

(02:55:55):
around since I think Buster Keaton back at the Silent era. Yeah,
so that's always been the sport essentially where you can
frame a story around, and that's that's how that came
to be. But the fight we're gonna watch it between
Chuck Webner and Muhammad Ali the greatest of all time. Yes,
and also more editions of the playback, new playbackers and

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you were in Bora but banished to Bora, Bora. Yeah,
so we're gonna We're gonna roll out of here. Dog.
It's been a good playback. This is a good one. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm excited. Only have a few more, only a few. No,
we got to We still have the rest of October,

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all of November, and all of December. We got them all.
We got them all mapped out. We got classic Sunday
night football in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (02:57:42):
Yeah, Jay, Dog's already got the twenty twenty six Sunday
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Speaker 1 (02:57:46):
Eighteen straight weeks Sunday night games. Again, that's not gonna
start until football season of twenty twenty six. We want
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