The Playback #30---1995 World Series-Game 2

Game 2 of the 1995 World Series on this edition of The Playback, as Atlanta leads Cleveland 1 games to none. Jay Dawg and CJ look back. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is a production of the Pulse podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In this edition of the Playback, Jadag and CJ look
back on Game two of the nineteen ninety five World
Series as the Cleveland Indians faced the Atlanta Brains on
October twenty second, nineteen ninety five from Atlanta Fulton County
Stadium in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Georgia, segueing from ABC to NBC, Game two of the

(00:54):
nineteen ninety five World Series, And look who's thrown out
the ceremonial first pitch. It's Hank Hammer and at the
time the senior vice president of the Atlanta Braves. He
would have other roles as the years went on. If
you remember, I told you it would be un ambassador
when I was when he was supposed to be in
a Baseball Hall of Fame, but he was in Puerto Rico.
Couldn't miss out, You couldn't watch Ripket and Quinn get inducted.

(01:16):
Maybe he doesn't like the Padres and the Orioles. Yeah,
then maybe that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Maybe he had a like a grudge against those two teams.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't see how. Yeah, but okay, all right, so
now instead of al Michaels, Jim Palmer and Tim McCarver.
It's Bob Costas, Joe Morgan and Bob Yucker mister Baseball,
and Tom Glavin on the mound Bill a Rica Mass's
own Tom Glavin on the mound for the Atlanta Braves

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taking on El Presidente Dennis Martinez.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I am excited for this one. Yeah, El Presidente, yep.
And Tom Glavin, someone who I remember from my youth. Yes, anyways,
even though Tom Glavin didn't it's to create like too
far into my my young baseball career or whatever. Oh
to your teams, Yeah, I guess, but his prime was

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these days.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, this is this is like his prime.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then I'm excited to see another essentially ace on
the mound here for the Braves. I know that. I'm
excited to see if the the Cleveland team here can
live up to it and try and get a win
here after losing Game one. I want to see if
they can bounce back.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
N Yeah, the first major league the president El president
He's not the only, but he was the first. There
haven't been many Nicaraguan baseball players to break through in
the major leagues. It's not like the Dominican.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
The pipeline and the Dominican Republic just continues to go
on and on and on. Colombia too, Edgar, Edgar, this
space for rent area was is from Colombia?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
What about the uh? How how is Venezuelan's pipeline is? Yeah?
What's a cooney?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Is Akunya? I believe believe it Rona Kunya is the
Atlanta Braves. I believe he is vetis Wayne, That's what
I thought.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I know that his brother's now or not his brother,
but his uh or is it his brother? The is
his brother? Is his cousin that plays for the Mets
cousin I believe is it his cousin? Believe? I don't
think it's his brother.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
A little change in catching this time, Tony pain you now?
So instead of Sandy Alomar still got Kenny Lofton out
there beating off?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Why not? Right?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, he's the guy. He was the guy.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah in game one for Cleveland and first pitch ball,
I'm excited to uh hopefully we can hopefully we can
get some action going that action last time, I know.
But I want to.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
See You want to see a ten eight game, don't you?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah? I want to see a high scoring game, or
I want to see exciting defensive plays. At least we
had more of a pitching duel for a while there with.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Mortal Hirschei's are a Greg Maddocks.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, with oral on the mound, he actually was amazing.
And then of course Greg Maddocks lights out, yes, you know,
several lights out in the posts, right, So that was
obviously an iconic game for him specifically, but a pitching duel,
if you will, for both teams having their aces on
the mound. The difference here though, is I'm not and

(04:21):
I'm not gonna take anything away from Cleveland. They're a
grea team. They're in the World Series. But Atlanta's just
got three aces in their starting rotation, three Hall of
Fame aces.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Pretty much with they're all three in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, Greg Maddox, Tom Glavin, and then we're gonna see
John Schmoltz, John Smoltz's Game three at some point. Yeah,
John Smoltz's Game three in Cleveland, so.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
We'll see him next game.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
But uh, I'm excited to see Glavin.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
So Lofton does not get on base this time?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Now, sat down quick, what two pitches.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Several Tom Glavin drafted by in the NHL by drafted
by in the NHL, Yes, by who the Los Angeles Kings.
Really yeah, he's wearing bill Areca mass So the two
top sports in Massachusetts are what I mean, hockey and baseball.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy because you and I had
a discussion recently about two like sport athletes, and imagine
seeing Tom Glavin playing hockey and baseball. Is baseball the
easiest sport for professional athletes to step into? It just

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seems like like anyone can just play baseball Apparently, not
like anyone.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Like, I'm not I'm not even gonna pretend like I
could be a pro baseball player.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
So you're gonna set well again, you are you segueing
from hockey to baseball or baseball to hockey. It's probably
comes naturally for these kind of athletes, right. There's a
card of Tom Glavin in his Brave uniform on skates.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Really.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, that's cool if you actually want to look it up. Yeah, again,
this is before Atlanta got hockey. Well, Atlanta had hockey
in the seventies with the Atlanta Flames. Yeah, and then
they flamed out. No, they went to Calgary and they
got reignited, and then of course the Atlanta Thrashers. Now
the Thrashers are at or now the Winnipeg Jets.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yes, and my sister. Funny story, so my sister's a
Georgia bulldog. She moved down to Georgia when she went
to school. This is the photo, by the.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Way, isn't that awesome?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, Carlos by Erga. And if you see his ankle,
he's got like a little shielding on it. Now it's
all swollen.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
So my sister went to Uga and she was excited
to go down there because she was like, oh, I'll
get to catch like, you know, hockey games down at
the Thrashers or whatever. In the year she like moved.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Down there, they moved. Yeah, there might they might be
coming back. You heard about that, right, I heard what
NHLs looking to.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
They want to expand. Yes, yeah, and the Thrashers are
a potential.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
The Thrashers would come back too, because the Jets make
no money off the likeness of the threat.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why would they, right, that would be that'd be sick. Actually,
I was a big fan of like.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I have the threat, I have the Thrashers. Uh there
their white jirt you know when they first came out.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
I have that.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I have their inaugural puck.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I have, Yeah, I have all kinds of Yeah, he's
called the Thrashies. I like, I was a big fan
of and no not on it was.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Covial Chuk. That was his name.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
He was wicked awesome. Yeah, looks like it's gonna be
a one two three inning.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Glavin sits him down, lining them up, bowing them down.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Now it's time for it feels like it's going to
be another pitching duel here.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean, you know, I don't think we're getting a
ten eight game here for no.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I I do feel like it's just tough Glavin and Glavin,
Greg Maddox and and and Smoltz. I keep wanting to say, Schmaltz.
Yeah yeah, uh Smoltz is like the all three of
them Hall of famers. What are you gonna do? All?
What are you? What are you gonna do? As an
opposing team? You have to go. I mean, you've got
great talent here, Chipper Jones, Fred McGriff, David Justice, all

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in all in like.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
In order, Hoavey Lopez now the catcher. Keep that name
in mind.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Okay, how is Glavin You think he's a better batter
than Maddox.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
They're about the same, are they. Yeah, they're in that
Nike commercial, so that's true. Chicks dig the long ball, well,
not chicks dig analytics. They have no choice because that's
all they have now. I actually argued with somebody that
they said Kevin Cash was not a good manager of
the Tampa Bay Rays. He is a great manager, but
he's hampered by the same problem. A lot of teams

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are analytics. The management tells them what to do.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
It's not The Rays have had such a good like there's.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
El Presidente stats two point thirty three, y are a
one and one. He would pitch the clincher in Seattle
for Game six. He was talking about analytics.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, the the Rays specifically have had such a great
farm system like in in for years. Yeah, the way
they manage their team, like this year, at one point
they had a chance to sneak into the playoffs like
they were. They were not sneak into the playoffs, I guess.
But when I I think it was like August or so.
They were.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
They were on a hot when I was when I
was in Tampa for the Guardians and the Rays. The
Rays had the last wild card. Yeah, exactly, that series.
They never looked. They were never the same after that series.
They lost three out of four to Cleveland in Tampa,
and they.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean, it doesn't help. Obviously, Boston went on a
hot streak.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
And Boston took two out of three from the Rays
in Tampa as well. Yeah, later on in that series, right,
So the Toronto Blue Jays they couldn't beat the Jays.
Jays were jaysus, Yeah, clinching that.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
So Marquis Grissom there he is. Look at that batting
average in the postseason, three eighty six. You think he'd
be loften.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, three eighty six is crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Is Manny going to get it?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
He is?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Man I forgot Manny.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I always forget Manny's on the.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, he played right field.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
That's also weird because I grew up watching him play
left my whole life.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
He actually did justin in his first year he was
in right field. Yeah, but they moved him to left field.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
The majority of his career.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
They moved him to left field in two thousand and
two because they felt he could play the wall better
as opposed to which he did.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
He I mean many played the wall interestingly.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, yeah, for sure he would have played you know,
I think he played it a lot better than what
he would have been. Right field, I have had fits, right.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I always think of that that video of him, the
clip of him when he when he jumps the cutoff throw.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
That's all they talk about is that. It's like it's
Mark Lumkey had the dish. That's all they talk about.
Is either him relieving himself. If you remember the wall
in the wall, well there's a yeah, he wasn't, folks,
he didn't expose himself.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
No, he was. He was the door where you can
he was in the scoreboard. He was, Yeah, in the wall, Yes,
he was in the wall. That's right. Not piss on
the wall. That's a song by h Jay gilesband. By
the way, that's so funny. That's I just I still
I can't stop think about him jumping back. That is
so good.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
He puts inside highlights like baseball bloopers. Not really a blooper,
but okay, do you think Unky.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Walks Obviously, Manny has had some lapses.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
What is the word.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'm like, he's had some like incidences.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yes, you know, he's had many instances.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, that are negative. Do you think he deserves to
be in the Hall of Fame if you like, like
ignore all that. Do you think stats wise so hard
to ignore? Well, I know, I'm just saying stats wise.
Do you think he stats wise deserves to be there?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't think he'll ever make it. He was his
own worst enemy. It did not help towards the end
of his career. Yes, I know, I for sure that
beginning part or that middle to the trajectory was like surefire,
absolutely first ballot Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
No.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Chipper Jones a Hall of Famer at the Dish three
sixty eight post seeding season, batting.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Apps with three home runs as a rookie. As a rookie, Yeah,
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
You have guys, you have a veteran clubhouse, you're gonna
you're gonna assimilate quick. And you know, Fred McGriff is
the kind of guy that is probably gonna be like, yeah,
you can't be. He made a lot of errors though
at third base.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Well.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
The other thing too, is Chipper is just a talented
guy too. Like it's not like it's easy for him
to slide into that that team because he's so talented. Too.
You know, it's not like it's everyone coaching him, but
I mean it is. It's he's got oh off the
wall over head.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
This man cannot have a broadcast without saying the E word.
He cannot. Sorry, we're gonna start charging one hundred dollars
per You're gonna get that real quick, aren't you? Doc
next week's paycheck? Damn man, He couldn't have played that. No, Now,

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that was a good hit. I thought it was gone.
It was a wall ball.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I thought it was gone.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Honestly at Turner Field, that would be gone at Fulton
County Stadium. That's a double. Shouldn't have looked at it though.
Again he's a rookie.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah again following the ball again, it fought he could
have like he could have probably, I mean, well, I
don't think he would have gotten a triple anyway, So
it's not like it really made a difference.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
But you got runners at second and third with one out.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, l presidente off to a rough start, is that
McGriff it's.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
The crime dog.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Three seventy eight. Yeah, he's betten better than dang ship
same amount of homers. Yeah, and he's I was about
to say he's coming off that home run in Game one.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yes, that's gonna off of Oral herscheiz.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
It's a I don't know when you when you hit
a home run in the postseason, it feels like it
can just spark a hot streak.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Good good play on and Dennis Martinez because he looked back, yeah,
instead of the force out right, So because lem Key,
that was.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
A wicked good play.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Actually, yeah, both guys wearing Wilson gloves by the way
Lemkey Lemkey got halfway down the baseline, right, Good on
Tony Payne as well, saying no, no, and to first.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
And I'm a good play by Martinez to still make
the out at first. Like if McGriff was like hustle
hustling like or if it was like a different batter,
he wouldn't have had enough time to really make a decision.
Could have loaded the bases that way. Yeah, because if
you make that indecision, right, that's what I'm saying. If
he doesn't get the out at first, then it's like,

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what were you doing? You should have just thrown it
to first. The guy at first could have thrown at
home or something, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yep, Eddie steady eddies at first, by the way. Yeah,
that was a good playing for Cleveland. That was a
good play though by Jim. Tony's at third. Remember he
goes to first a few years later. So Dave Justice,
who has good numbers against El Presidente.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
The like these three in a row, Chipper McGriff, David Justice.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Forget the batting average.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, I know it looks it looks ugly right now,
but we all most If you know baseball, if you
know David Justice, you know he could he could hit
the ball.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, two down, ball outside. Tony Payana the game one
hero in the American League Division Series against the Red
Sox and extra innings.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Bob Costas, oh man, oh man, El Presidente trying to
get out of a gym. Here he's got two outs.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
And runners at second and third. This is the pressure
cooker strike.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Oh, let's go. That was kind of a generous call.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
It was a bit out. Yeah, that was a bit out. Yeah, Watt,
now you're going to see it, Rady. It was a
little generous. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
That's part of the that's part of the game. No
no abs back then, that's baseball. That's baseball. No abs
back then. I uh as as you know, as many
no I love I'm a big video game nerd. Love
the game numbers, love MLB, the show yep. And when
you get like in the show, you have this thing

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called your PCI. It's basically you this thing you move around.
When the pitch comes in, you have to line it
up and then hit the swing button at the same time.
If you hit a you can hit a perfect perfect
and it makes like this like perfect noise. Yeah, And
there's like this old saying like you hit a perfect
perfect And sometimes you'll hit one and it'll go right

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into the glove of like the third basement or something,
and every time someone will just be like, that's that's baseball.
Doesn't matter how hard you hit it. Like you'll hear
the announcer in the game just be like, and that's baseball.
Sometimes you gotta just walk back to the dugout and
be like, couldn't have done anything different?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Justice as a three ten average against El Puresidente.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
That's not good for Cleveland. Look at this TV in
like right next all there. This isn't like the it
was in like the press box. Yeah, oh dang, And
Bob Bucker said that was John Denver. It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yuke mister baseball. Oh miss him?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Oh yeah, Harry Doyle. Yeah, I think they want him
to be Harry Doyle, but no, he's Bob Buker, He's
mister baseball.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Mmm.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I like Costas doing baseball.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
This is his first World Series. It's funny. This is
Al Michael's last World Series. This is Bob Costas in
his first World series. One on ABC, one on NBC.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Of course, the whole controversy with the strike season, with.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
The Baseball network having to share coverage, that's never gonna
happen again.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Never, never.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Full count.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Now you're more likely to see like two independent like
content creators calling a game before you see.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Instagram for the w NBA Finals and like, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
What I mean, Like that'd be interesting. Honestly, I've never
thought of that. But like a like a streamer, like
a large person, large name, like a Kai Sunat or
something like that. Like not that I'm like suggesting that, No,
you just you just put it out there.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Ricky, Bobby, he walked them, Wow, Braves loads them up.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
That last play was key because if it's bases loaded, Yeah,
you know he's doing the radio call on this. Vin
Scully yep for w's I believe it was either Westwood
Won or w CB. No, it was for CBS Radio. Yes,

(19:58):
so Vin Scully, you say, Vince Scullys saying oral, Hey,
shy again since he hadn't said it since nineteen ninety
four when he left the Dogs, when he was traded
to Cleveland. No dog jays in this world series, folks.
And that's a good thing now, Ryan Klusko at the dish.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Ooh mm, there's a almost I almost would prefer to walk.
Look at Clasco four sixty two with career bases loaded.
Yeah maybe never never mind, maybe I wouldn't have wanted
to walk.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
David justin What do you do now? You got to
pitch to him, right, you don't have a choice. You
got to pitch to Clusco.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
You got to challenge him. Yeah, yeah, that's what that's
what I do. Just what's what's l Presidente's fastball? Like?
What was his like fastball?

Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know, probably early you know, early nineties, maybe mid
early to mid nineties, kind of like this this decade,
mid nineties.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Just because I'm like, maybe you just give him three
heaters and just try and burn burn one, buy him.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
The sinker maybe, Yeah, what does he have for a
repertoire sinker slider, curve, change up, fastball, split finger fastball,
but he's laboring.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, definitely give him a sinker. You want to, you
want to try and get him to well, now you
just go for the strikeout. Now you kind of got
him in a blender. I feel like there's another Yeah,
because he's laying down these change ups in the dirt.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Good for pain on that.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Now you know he's now you know, Yeah, that was
a nice snag.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, takes the mit right, good block that's essentially scoop
it up and he would have Yeah that good block,
ball gets away. That's a run scorers Yeah, M two two,

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which doesn't happen. By the way, Clesco gets traded to
the San Diego Padres. Really they keep McGriff only, of course,
to put him on the expansion draft of the Tampa
Bay Devil Rays. A few years later. They lose both
of them, and guess what, they still go to the
World Series in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
The Braves team, like this nineties Braves run was just incredible.
It's it's got to be one of the greatest like
super teams in baseball history.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
The Kansas City Royals kind of had a similar thing
in the twenty tens where they cashed in?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Would they was that when they did they have Greenky
on the team? No, that was before the Greenky era.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, No, Greenky was gone by then. He is already gone.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, because they won and what like fifteen they got
there in fourteen?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
It won it all in fifteen.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
But didn't they win in like twenty ten or something
like that was the Giants? They didn't win? They what
they only won? How many? How many series did they win?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
One?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Just one?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I mean in the entire history of the franchise, well.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Like in the in this in this millennium, like they've
only won, we got the one. I thought they won
more than that, or I thought they won like earlier.
I knew they won in twenty fifteen, but I thought
they won like earlier when they had like did they
have Damon on that team?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
No, Damon was the nineties?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
No, like Johnny. I thought that Johnny Damon was was nineties.
I thought they had Damon. I thought Damon went to
New York after he played for Boston. Yes, and then he.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Won a World Series in nine with the Yankees. And
then I thought he went to Kansas City again. No
to that, he went to several teams popped it up. Oh,
let's go get out of there.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
That tell me, yep, nice, get out of there unscathed.
Pretend it never happened long first though, he only gave
up one hit, but it was like, that's still not good,
and that means you walked what two?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Walked two and got a mighty generous call on justice
on that one pitch.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, but it didn't even matter because he walked him anymore,
walked him anyway. And it's like Tom Glavin threw like
what six pitches.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
It felt like economical with his pitches. So yeah, neither
Yuker or Morgan are with us anymore. Uker passing away
earlier this year in twenty twenty five, and or is
it I think it was either at the end of
twenty twenty four at the beginning of twenty twenty five,
and Joe Morgan passing away in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Legendary parts of baseball mm hmm calling a legendary series
here so far right, Yeah, we need to see if Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Can you get something going.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, the pitching wasn't reassuring. El Presidente.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Not it's those two. It's those two Chuck Naggy and
I think chad Oj, although I think chad Oj might
have been Bullpen at the time. Yeah, but it's really
Herscheizer and and El Presidente.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah. That's the difference is the pitching in this series.
It feels like, well, how many pitch how many teams
are gonna have a Glavin, Maddocks and Smoltz in the
last I know, that's crazy. The Yankees didn't even have that,
did they did all three of those guys?

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Like did they come up with Atlanta? Was Maddox? Levin's
the only one?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Maddox FROMBS. Yeah, I was gonna say from Chicago, right, Well,
like he played with Chicago.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I mean he came from Chicago, and I'm rather John
Smoltz was supposed to play for his hometown Tigers, but
was traded for Doyle Alexander in the eighties for the
stretch run for Detroit, which worked for them they got
to the nineteen eighty seven at ALCS.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
But.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Sends one the other way. Let's go hit for Albert Bell.
So Doyle Alexander helps the Tigers, But in the long run,
did he really where does John Smoltz go yeah for real, Yeah,
because John Smoltz, I believe it was from dearborn Michigan.
So who would have pitched for his that was his dream?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
That's like who drafted him was the Tigers?

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, he was in the minor league system.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yep. So Glavin's the only one that was like homegrown,
homegrown for Atlanta here yep.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Because Maddox played for the Cubs then went to the Braves.
Was going to go to the Yankees, by the way,
but the Braves swooped in and gave him like five
million more.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Good thing. Good thing they did. I mean talk about
a super team. Oh that's crushed, rushed steady. Eddie he
knew as soon as he hit it too. He just
dropped about and was like, yep, that's gone, Eddie drinking
b Murray Yep. Where do you rank Eddie Murray on

(27:24):
the list of like switch hitters? Do you think he's
like a top ten all time hit talked about? I know,
it's weird he never gets talked about. Is he's a right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, three thousand hits, five hundred home runs, and I
think two hundred or three hundred steals.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Is correct me if I'm wrong. Did Edgar Martinez play
first or only third for the Mariners? Do you think
he was first? Was he third? Then first? I'm just
trying to think of some other first baseman. I'm trying
to think of some other switch hit Like where would
you rank him against some other switch hitters?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Like who is the top switch hitter all time? Is
it Mickey Mantle? Probably the Mick? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Where would you? Is cal Raley better than Eddie Murray? No,
he's obviously very young in his career. Yeah, he had, well,
he had one of the greatest.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yes, let's not. I know, let's pump the brakes.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I gotta ask, I gotta ask.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Cal Rawley's not even on the list right now. He's
got a long way to go. You got you got
a long way to go.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Let me look up some switch hitters here, Chipper Jones's
switch hitter, that's true. Is Eddie Murray better than Chipper Jones? Oh?
He might be? You think so that? That's crazy? Is
Eddie Murray better than Pete Rose? No? Okay, what about

(28:47):
Carlos beltran.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Ooh mmm, raw talent? Probably beltran Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
What about what about one of my favorite Montreal expos ever?
Tim Rain's Rock Rock Ran Yeah, I think he's better
than rock Rain. Rock Rains was more of a stolen
bases guy. Okay, I mean you can get on bass again.
You're you're you're asking me. All these different players, they
all fit that. There's a different bill that they How
about this one?

Speaker 1 (29:13):
This is a better one?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, two Cleveland players. Okay, who's better? Eddie Murray or
Jose Ramirez?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh, oh, don't do this to me.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
That's time. Don't do this to me. Oh no, Oh?
Is Jose hall of Fame worthy yet?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yes, he's getting a statue in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
So you think he's gonna make the hall? What what
is Jose stats? Right now? Look at him? They're pretty good.
I need to they're Hall of Fame worthy. I'm not
I'm not doubting you. I just want to. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
If you look at hits batting average, he's he's going.
He's going to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
He's got one and sixty eight hits, two hundred and
eighty five home runs, and he's got a two to
seventy nine career batting average. He's played for thirteen years
so far. Yeah, but the three thousand hits is like
the mark or anymore, isn't You don't You don't think so.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
No, it's not. What about because no one's gonna get
to three thousand hits anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
You don't think so.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, because it's all about the long ball now.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Not for everyone. We've still got, like you know, Luisa
Rise like hitters. You don't think he's gonna get three thousand.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
He's gonna be out of the league in five years.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
No way.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, he is such a great batter, No way. What
about vlad Vlad's Lad's led the league in hits for
numerous years.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
He's gonna hit more. He's going to put more emphasis
on home runs. So I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
If he hasn't done it yet, then.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
He already you know he has. They're gonna as the
years go on, he's going to be depended on as
a slugger more than anything.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Jim Tolmy as a switch hitter. I didn't know he
was a switch hitter, right, No, he's no. I was
about to they're saying versus left handed pictures. I was like, no,
I was gonna say what No. Vlad has played seven
seasons in the majors and he has. I don't know

(31:18):
if that's his major's career. He has a thousand. He's
six hundred hits behind behind Jose, and he's played like
probably six seasons less, so that checks out. I'd say
they're probably on the same pace, like Vlad and Jose.

(31:39):
Jose's just played like Vlad's a better slugger six years. Yeah,
but Jose still has like one hundred home runs on Vlad.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well, it's not gonna last long because again, well, yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Vlad hits like thirty home runs, forty home runs.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Forty to fifty home runs.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, Glavin's just letting the defense do the work here,
rolling through the.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Second with that other other than that mistake pitch. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
So do you do you think Eddie Murray's better than
Jose at the moment? Yes?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Okay, at the moment that may change.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
What about Ted Simmons? Oh, the Simba, the Simba that's
a good name. Uh No, he's not, but he's better
than Ted Simmons. What about switch hitting catcher to the
Blizzard of Oz.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yes, because Ozzie Ozzie Smith was more about fielding than
he was hitting. Okay, yeah, yeah he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Again, I'm not gonna. He's still a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to do the all glove
and no hit, but he's awfully close.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
He had like a two twenty batting average one year.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I forgot, I forget what what the the statistic is,
but it's like it took him like four hundred and
twenty at bats to hit a home run a left
hand side or something like that. That's four hundred and
twenty at bats left handed Tony Payne at the dish,
not not in total, like just from the left hand side. Like,
so he he had been in the league for a

(33:12):
while because he had taken probably the you know, roughly
the same amount from the other side, Tony Payne a
first pitch swinging.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
And that ends.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, but Eddie Murray puts him on top.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yep, Cleveland has the lead.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Ziony hy Drinks, Thanks, Bob. I'm trying to I can't
really think of another. What about like Chili Davis.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
No, it's not better than ChIL No, he is better
than Chilie David. I was like, what, Yeah, Lance Berkman, No,
he's better than Lance Berkman.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, none of these other names really. Bernie Williams. Maybe
that's that's definitely more more rings. Maybe, But again, Bernie
Williams isn't in the Hall of Fame. I don't think
he's getting there either. Do you think when it's all
said and done, cal Rawley will make it the make
the Hall of Fame? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I would say no right now, Okay he doesn't. Again,
I'm just asking he has to continue this.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
This is not easy to do. No, I know.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's not like you know, Javey Lopez at the Dish.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
It's different with like Aaron Judge and Show Heya. Well yeah,
but I'm saying like they're more likely to hit fifty
home runs every year because they're huge, like they're they're
physically gifted human beings. Aaron Judge and Show Hey are
both like what like Aaron just like six seven, what

(34:45):
Show Hay six four? Maybe? Yeah? Still huge like their
swing yeah, I love the bloo bloom Yeah, the uh
their swing path is huge, Like they cover so much
area on the plate. Yeah, and they're just physically talented
batters and with that, they're they're more likely because it's

(35:06):
almost like if you watch Hockey's the Dane o'chara when
he was with the Bruins, he had he had one
of the hardest slap shots in the ah WoT a
lot of ground to cover too, barely got that. But
if you watch Zadaneo Chara in the NHL, he had
one of the hardest slap shots because that's just how

(35:29):
science works. Like his stick was longer and he could
make like I'm I'm probably not saying the right scientific
terms here, but he had like a specific folk rum
point or whatever where he could, you know, bend the
stick to get more generate more force, essentially to help
him get a harder shot. And with Aaron Judge and

(35:50):
show hey, they can do the same thing with a
bat and with cal Rawley. I don't know if he
can do the same thing that they can. I don't
know how consistent he'll be hitting fifty home run, sixty
home runs whatever, you know, Like, I don't know how
consistent he'll be doing that for the rest of his career.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Got Tom Glavin. Look at those gloves, Nike gloves, Nike
batting gloves.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
I want to see him crush one in nineteen ninety's,
two twenty two.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
He's not crushing one. I want to see him crush one. Well,
watch another game. He's not crushing it.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Here, take l Presidente yard. Come on, he's not doing
that in this ballpark. Pal, he's gonna No, he's getting
a hit here though, I could feel it.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
And he strikes out no one more.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
He's got one.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
More Nike batting gloves in nineteen ninety five, seed, that
wasn't happening now of course. Yeah, well he's trying to
hit the long ball that he didn't get that commercial
till later. But again that that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Look how look look how like they look new? Well
not look how they're big in terms of they That
was another generous call, but a lot closer than the
last one. Yes, getting a nice throwback ad here from

(37:10):
the unit.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, this was for for Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
O Welcome to the show. Didn't you say this was
the first year they used that line? Yes, they like
had it on the logo, right, doesn't it say welcome

(37:36):
to the show?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yes, that's on the World Series past.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, that's cool. Did they did they ever refer to
when did when did baseball become the show? Seventies? Was
it like like a term they like used.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Look at this, look at this? You just heard the dung.
But that's that's how ESP they copied the they were
and they model it after NBC. The first year of
the Saint Louis Rams here, it's always the Miami and
the Jets.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Have you noticed that? You always notice that the Jets
are losing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, same as it ever was.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Jacksonville and Cleveland. First year of the Jags.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Ah, the Tom Coughlin.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Era, nineteen ninety five. And then look at.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
This Carolina, New Orleans, Kansas City seven and one?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
They went thirteen and three that year.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Wow? Is that Who's who's the Who's the uh?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Quarterback for Kansas City? St Bono? It was their defense
Steve Bono, Yeah, it was there.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Who No, no Montana.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
No, Montana retired. No, this is pre Trent Green. This
is yeah? Did they did?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
They have rich and at some point too they did?
Was this pre rich Gannon? No Gannon?

Speaker 1 (39:04):
It was it was quarterback competition between him and Gannon.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
And this dude beat rich Gannon. Yeah, the former MVP. No,
the eventual MVP. Eventual this dude what and they went
thirteen and three?

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Who is this?

Speaker 1 (39:22):
They had a great defense, so what a snag? The
crime dog playing fetch Chicago, Illinois, six oh six, five
to two. You remember those.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Commercials, right, I don't know if I crime dog.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
It was the ad Council.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Oh yea ya yah, yeah, yea yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Six yeah, Chicago, Illinois, six oh six, five two. And
he would later play for a team in Chicago, Illinois
and the Cubs, so the crime dog would end up
going to Chicago to meet the crime dog. I think
there's actually a picture of Fred McGriffin the crime I
think there is. I'm like, okay, oh, I feel like

(40:05):
Danny Martinez wright his arm right now. Yeah, Kenny Lofton
at the dish.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I don't see one because it's just pictures of Fred
McGriff's crime dog.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yep, right, Ti lem key.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
See there's the crime dog. But I don't have any
there's nothing like with them together. Yeah, you'll have to
find it. What you doing?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, what's the crime dog doing on a baseball field anyway?
It doesn't he have crooks to catch.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Don't people? Don't people know? This is no pets allowed.
We've got a game going on, that's.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Right, Get off the field, my dog. That's an over
me dog, wolf A Marti v Scale Now this strike

(41:17):
zone is generous. Yeah, you should see the nineteen ninety
seven National League Championship Series between the Marlins and the Braves.
Did they did they levon here and Andez had a
strike zone that's bigger than this room.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Did they keep the same umpire staff for the entire
World Series? Or did they change them out each game?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I think they switched. They think they swapped them, or
they swapped positions.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah. Yeah, like one night, one one guy's behind the
plate and the next time he gets a different person. Yeah.
I feel like nowadays you would want to like keep
the same unit together, you know, almost like a team,

(42:03):
a team of umpires pretty much.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, that's the nineties for you. Yeah, the wild times. Yeah,
the nineties, folks were wild. I gotta tell you, I
was first decade I lived from one end of it
all the way to the end. I'm an eighties child
born in eighty three, but this was the first decade
that I got to from start to finish experience. And
the nineties were a wild time. They really weren't, some

(42:26):
say the last great decade.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah. As a child, I miss I miss a lot
of my childhood. My childhood was amazing, Like not that
my whole life was amazing. I'm not going to sit
here and be like.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Like adulting is hard.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, I just miss all the nostalgic things from my childhood.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
The nineties were awesome, Chipper in fel Territory. Much like
Manny Ramirez, what a catch the nineties for you were? Again,
you didn't get to really experience the entire decade of
the nineties whereas I did. Yeah, Yeah, but I miss,
like there's some certain elements of the night.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, I miss I miss the simplicity. I've been thinking
about it lately. I feel like we've got too many
options for things. You talk about the NFL and like
I'm always for like expansion and stuff like that. And
I've been thinking lately about your philosophy. Yeah, your philosophy,

(43:30):
but applying it to media. Like I think just we have.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Too much, like like options, says the guy that has
every streaming service known to man.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
I do. I do have every streaming service, But I
sometimes I think like we have too many options because
like I don't get to appreciate all of them.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Harold Ramis, who's since passed on, was on the Groundhog
Day DVD track and said, we have more entertainment options. Again,
this was back in the two thousands. Like again early
probably early to mid two thousands. Right, we have more
entertainment options than we've ever had. And he goes, I
can't imagine how it's going to expand. Well, little did

(44:06):
he know?

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, well, because now think about like just on your phone,
Like I can look up YouTube on my phone. I
can watch people on Instagram, TikTok, whatever. Like I don't
even have to watch TV anymore. I could just watch content.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Which back in nineteen ninety five, if someone said I'm
gonna have a phone and I'm going to watch a game,
that you would have been taken out on a gurny
mental institution.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
The thing is like in the nineties it made things
like this more special where it's like now if I
and don't get me wrong, I watch the World Series
and the Super Bowl and all these big sporting events. Yeah,
I work in sports media and love sports, so it
only makes sense that I would do that. But you know,

(44:56):
some people, if they don't want to watch the World Series,
they can literally just watch it on their phone after
it's done. Yeah, And like in the nineties, you couldn't
do that. You had to like watch it, and even
when you watched it on like Sports Center and stuff,
it didn't have the same You could.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Barely get pictures on the internet of the World Series, right,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
So it's I don't know that I missed the simplicity
of the nineties. You know, plunks him el Presidente pitches
inside on. Who is that bell? Yeah, Grissom leading off
for the Braves here. Yeah, definitely not his intention, because

(45:38):
he's got the heart of the lineup coming right behind him.
That almost looked like a knuckleball. It looked like that
didn't have any spin on it, off right off the elbow. Yeah,
my friend, this is this is a dumb story, dumb
high school stuff. But my friend used to purposely punch

(46:02):
like he used to like sneak up and punch you
in the funny bone just to try and be funny.
And nothing hurts worse than getting punched in the funny bones.
Nothing funny about the Yeah, no, it was wicked irritating.
But your arm would be numb if he hit it
just right, so you couldn't even punch him back. You'd
be like, oh my god, my arm hurts.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Is he trying to be like Rocky Marciano. Rocky Martziano
used to hit people when he he would punch them
in the right there so they couldn't lift their arms up. Yeah,
he cooks that way there. If you can't lift your
arms up, you can't protect your face. You can't protect
your face, you can't protect your body, you can't go
like this. Yeah, so very wise strategy of of the
Brockton rock.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, my friend Tito, he just did it just to
do it, just because he thought it was funny.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
You do that to the wrong person and you might
not be able to punch anything ever. Again, just saying
just same Mark Lemke at the dish with Mrquis Grissom
being plunked essentially and they got them not intentionally.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Pretty sure they have a chipper on deck.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
It drops in, yeaph.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Not even the speedy lofting could catch that one. Those
are the hardest hits to field in baseball, is the bloops.
I know people always go up and say, why don't
you go get that?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, those bluep hits, And it's not like when they
drop in like a quail, right, and it's not like
the second basement. It's easier to run to it than
it is to back. Yes, Like, it's not like the shortstop,
and it's a harder play for the shortstop to turn
around and try and make that play, or the second
basement or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Wise person once told me. Not everything is catchable. Yes,
ground ball is not catchable. It's rolling, it's not.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
You.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
You try to get it, but it's not catchable in
that regard. Chipper Jones now the rookie at the dish.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
No outs, bottom of the third. Yeah, El presidente, he's
starting to labor a little bit. He's been laboring. He
had a rough first. He's he got through the second
pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
But he's got to get out of this.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Not not a good start.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
And it's literally the same thing that he did in
the first inning.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Hitters count now to one. Oh h h ball ricocheted
off the wall. That would that would suck. I don't

(48:40):
think that's gonna happen to us anytime soon. No pause,
I don't hope. I don't think so. I've never actually
stepped into a batting cage. Oh, I've never taken you're
missing out. I've never taken like BP. You got him.
They threw it away. Oh my gosh, funny because he's

(49:09):
got a two nothing lead.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
So but he's playing like if it like it's the
ball got away.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Did Bierga just fake the tag to try and keep
him there. Yeah, like he wasn't even close, so he
was just I mean, good on him.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, that's a good, good play.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Anyways.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I think he was probably taught that with the Maurers.
He's what he was playing for back in the before
he went to Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Because sometimes if you don't have the ball, like you
can just tricking the even if it's just for a second,
you can like slow him down for you know, your
outfielder to try and make a play, like Kenny Lofton
could have had to throw a third if he kept
him there for another second. Yeah, but that's going to
drive on.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
To score a run. The lead's now cut in half.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Not good.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
At least they got one out, but not good. Did
do they still have a runner on first?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
They didn't that that other runner didn't advance when a
tag up hold on.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
But look how young Chipper Jones looks here too. He
looks like a ten year old in this, Like at
bat now he Now he really McGriff did that hit Martinez?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Got him? That was close?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Did that hit Martinez or did it hit his glove?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I'm gonna find out. Are we come on camera?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Guy get hit him?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yeah, that's tough for Vierga to try and make that
play him. Yeah, no, he did just barely. Yeah, another
step and he wouldn't have. But it's tough for him
to make that play because of his ankle. They have to,
like he has to push off with that ankle that's swollen.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yes, one of the sponsors, as you see there, But
was it?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
I couldn't see it? So one of Chipper's favorite restaurants. Nice? Yeah? Justice?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Two one now bottom third? Run around second? Who is
that is that?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Who is that? It was before Chipper? It was uh,
it was Mark Lemke right now? Is that lem Key? Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (51:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Is Grissom on second or on third? Grisom score?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Was that? That was chrism that.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Scored on the sackfly? Remember the ball got away a third.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
So Lemke is the only runner on base right now
on second?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Two outs?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Two outs? Yeah yeah, David Justice, despite being one of
the bigger bats in the lineup, struggling.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
And where would he later play for after this?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
He would go to the Angels?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
No, Cleveland? Oh really yeah? It was part of the
ninety seventeam.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
He played for the Angels, eventually.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Played for the Yankees, and then he played for the A's.
Really yeah, he never played for the Angels. Who am
I thinking of? Am I thinking of?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
We got a No?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
We got a tie game? Now, I thought we were
going to get a play at the plate.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
How did the outfielder not get there?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Manny Ramirez?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, well, actually that makes sense. It's Manny, Manny being Manny. Yeah,
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Tie game. Now, Mark Wiley, the pitching coach coming out,
mm hmm. Ell Presidente is struggling. It's not good.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
He's been struggling since the first inning. I don't see mhm.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I'll tell you why off air or off the podcast.
Why it's Chipper's favorite restaurant.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I can just take a guess. The Braves tie it up.
Old Presidente. If he can't get an out on this
next app bat, I pull him. Who do you? Who?
Do you want to have someone warming up now? Like
you've got to be making a call by now.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Forty six He's nearing fifty pitches in the three innings. Yeah,
not good. If he can get through this batter, Ryan Klusko,
I think she did the last time around.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Right, And I think he'll be fine if he can
get through this this that bat, because the he he
ran through the second half of the lineup, it's that
it's that front half.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Like he's got to get it. He's got to get
through Clusco. Yep, as it is man happens.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah, because if he gets through this that bat, he
can get through probably one more inning and then they
can pull him before the fifth.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Cleveland had all did he did?

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I hear that right? Cleveland has all right handed starters
for like pictures. That's very interesting. Yeah, that's also. Yeah,
sometimes that happens where you don't have a rotation. I
was gonna say, you want to have like at least
one like laughing. Yeah, I don't think he's available, so

(55:30):
don't think. Don't think they can get him right now,
so preoccupied, busy.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah, we'll call you back. Do you know the only
other team that Glavin played for? Of course?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Who? The New York Mets. Really yep, I got us
threatened with victory on Sunday Night base We are going
to do that at some point. Tom Glavins, I actually
watched that game. It was it was Cubs Mets at
Wrigley Field in two thousand and seven, invited his whole
family at the oldest ballpark in the National League to
watch his three hundred victory.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Was that that wasn't city, that was Shay Still No,
regularly they went they went to excuse me, Yes, it was.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Sunday Night baseball. Toe, that's cool, John Miller and Joe Morgan,
that's cool your Sunday Night telecasters.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Three hundred wins is wild, that's wild. Who are the
active win leaders? It's got to be like, yeah, and
it's about it Kershaw probably, But I mean he's this

(56:39):
is less, this.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Is this is this is it for Clayton Shaw?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Yeah, this is active leaders. Verlander has two sixty six,
Kershaw has two thirty. Two twenty three. Excuse me, Scursier,
sure's her? Sures her has sure he has sure's her.
That's what I said, Okay, go ahead, two twenty one. Ye.
Then after that it's Garrett Cole. It's a big fall
off one fifty three.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, he didn't pitch this year.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, even if he did. It's like that the most
he's gonna be one seventy three. Yeah, so he's he's
way behind Charlie Morton's behind him.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Morton's retired already.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Chris sale Is uh truck him out.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
He got Clusco again.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Nice, he needed that.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
He did Bierraga, Bell and Steady Eddie at the dish nop. Well,
it's uh too too.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Zach Wheeler's on here, he's at one thirteen and I
pitch again blood clots Yeah, not good.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
No.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And there's Patrick Corbin is fourteenth on active win leaters.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
That is that is bumb Corbin.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Everyone below that it is either young or is a bomb.
Bum Corbin is as a as a Nats fan, he
is bomb a bomb.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
He did get them a world series.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Though.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
He helped, I'll say that. You know he was part
Yeah he was a world series.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah he didn't I won't say he he got them
the world series. M Steven Strasburg literally threw his career
away for that world series. My army. Yeah, he's pretty
much just like this is gonna be it. I'm I'm
just gonna go all out right.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Hasn't changed, right, Nah, you don't hear about sharp much anymore?
There another tagament.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Boom now for Hartburn.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Look at that. Look you love that shot, don't you?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I do. I love the I love the shape of
the stadium like it's almost like a perfect.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Circle cookie cutter stadium.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
So well not, it just looks like it's It looks
nice for holding like a large amount of fans. It
looks good like a good stadium for a World Series
two forty two. For Bell, he did get a single
in the first ending and scored a run, So he's
got two home runs in the postseason two.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
He should have a lot more. This is m Bell
would later play for the Chicago White Sox. Him and
Frank Thomas would put up big video game numbers and
then he would cash in with the Baltimore Orioles. And
because of that, that's why his career and his hip

(59:47):
that he would put all the weight. If you can
see that's that's the swing. That he puts all of
his weight on that side of his hip. And that's
why he got degenerate of hip disease. And who was
his manager in Baltimore, I don't know who. Mike Hargrove,
the human rein delay, the manager currently of Cleveland at

(01:00:08):
this time of Cleveland, Mike Hargrove, Mo Vaughn and jose
Canseco Boston Red Sox.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Huh, that's weird, weird to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Who did you hit him?

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
See. Also it's funny when you're watching it, you're like,
just get hit by the ball, take the base. But
then also it's like your natural reaction is to be like,
don't hit me, you know, like I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Don't have armor, do not hit me. Worst bonds he
has all this armor on him, like hit me here, here, here,
and here, and nothing would happen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Hit earlier. Grisham, Markis Grissom, Yeah, Grissom. He took it
right the elbow, no elbow pan, he ne an elbow guard.
Oh my gosh, that's he'll feel that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
In the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah. Ah. I'm very clumsy. I don't know if you've
ever noticed how clumsy I am. I'm very clumsy. My
parents used to say to me all the time growing up.
You're the only person I know that can trip going
up the stairs. That's what they'd say to me all
the time. Bell whiffs h and I bruised my elbow recently.

(01:01:26):
I hit it walking through a doorway. I was like
going down to the garage in my house or something,
and I turned around to grab the door handle behind
me and like pull it behind me as I walked
through the doorframeep. But as I turned around, I slammed
my elbow on the doorframe. And I bruised my elbow

(01:01:50):
so bad that for like three weeks, every time I
put my arm down on anything, I like couldn't put
my elbow down on anything, like on my computer chair
at work, yep, nothing because my elbow was so bruised
and you couldn't see it, but like I could feel it.
And all I keep thinking is Grissom is not gonna
be able to put his elbow on anything for like

(01:02:10):
a month. He took a fastball from like Tom Glavid
to the elbow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
There's noney Martinez.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah, oh yes, I'm yes, I'm an idiot. Martinez hit
him with the hit him with the fast.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Not an idiot. You just fall upstairs too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Much, might have had one or two, many too many concussions.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Couldn't even get the line out there. My brain was Madden. Yeah,
my brain's bruised.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Boom, need a mouth piece, Boom. Now we're talking heartburn.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
They're like, Okay, John Rambles boom heartburn to Duccan, You're
gonna get You're gonna get heartburn from Turduccin.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Yeah, for real, probably Steady Eddie back up to the plate. Oh,
I don't like that. Moms don't like that. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
He doesn't like that either. Steady Eddie didn't like that either.
By the way, I have his starting lineup in uh
in this in the his ninety six he went to
the Orioles in that jersey in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
The in the Cleveland in the blue.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah, doing this his swing swing for the fences, walked him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Like his I said this in Game one. The bats
look longer, like the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
The players are smaller. Yeah, the players are smaller, but
the bats are bigger. So Steady Eddie would go from
there's Jimmy Williams, future manager of the Boston Red Sox,
Carl Leffett's favorite manager in all the world. No I
was gonna say, was what was I going to say?

(01:03:58):
Steady Eddie, Yes, sorry, goes from Baltimore to I believe
La then the Mets.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
What do you play with the Angels or the Auditorioles.
You know I'm saying, But like I say, La, I
think you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yeah, the dodge Ers, and then he would play for
the Mets.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Then Cleveland, many up to bat by the Way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Then Baltimore and then that was it. He came home.
So that's a base hit and that's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I was about to say, Manny Batton only one eighty
six in the postseason with only two RBIs, and uh,
weird seeing him in the Tampa Bay Ray's uniform, wasn't
it gross?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
It did? Didn't even again, I like the Rays, but
even seeing Manny Ramirors with these dreadlocks that are gross
taller than the state of Florida that some of the palm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Tries still I will still never forget. They like, try
to suspend this man. Yes, and then he was like, well,
I'm going to retire and they're like, okay, well you're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Still suspending to back. No, you're not. When you come back.
You got to serve an eighty game suspension.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
And he's like, what damn, well, I guess I'm just
gonna retire.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Well I got, I got. I still have those checks
in the glove compartment when I played for the Red Sox, so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I uh, a little little off topic here, Yep, just funny.
I thought about I thought about this just now talking
about Manny and how he kind of fell off. He
was obviously a great player, but uh, please tell me
I sent this. Maybe I didn't. I don't know if
I have this saved. Something Jim told me at the dish.

(01:05:33):
I'm not gonna I'm I don't have it saved anywhere.
I don't know where it is. But I saw something recently,
Jade Oggen. It was like it was it was Aaron Boone.
It was Aaron Boone and a Savannah, a Savannah Banana's jersey,
and it was if Aaron bo Aaron Boone if he
didn't hit one home run in like the Alcs one

(01:05:56):
time or something like that. And it was Aaron Boone
and a Savannah Banana's uniform.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
And it just made me think. I feel like, because Manny.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Retired, like I feel like he could have he could
be one of those celebrity guests that plays in the
Savannah Banna time, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
The dreadlocks and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I feel like I feel like Manny Manny Banani
could many Banani could be Manny Banana Savannah Banana for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
No lip syncing here, folks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
The picture had me dying though of course Aaron Boone
and it was like an AI generated Aaron Boone in
a Savana Savannah Banana's uniform and it just had me
die And I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
That was so funny. He's not too far away saying,
you never know, You just never know. There's Glavin.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Switch switching up bats. Here is Tomy Tom the bat broke.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yeah, well, yeah, I don't think they're worried about Eddie
at first base taking a big lead off. I don't
think that's gonna happen. That's some of my favorite stolen
bases are when the big guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Like they got a shot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like when they just
like sometimes like if you're a big guy, you have
a chance at stealing a bag, just because everyone is
just like there's no way. How many how many stolen
bases do you think Eddie Murray had in his career
it didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Wow, I'm pretty sure Steady Eddie had three hundred stolen bases.
I'm pretty sure again earlier in his career.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Right, I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Jim Gray talking to the legend Hammer and Hank.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
There he is is Hammer and Hank your home run king? No, you,
Barry Bonds is the home.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Running Okay, baseball if no one became their own worst
enemy than major League Baseball for that whole thing, They've
got no one to blame but themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
So it's one of the I think it'll forever be
one of the greatest sports debates. It's it's out there
with like Jordan and Lebron.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Well, I think it is because a lot of people
don't consider Barry Bonds the home run king.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Well, they're idiots. I seven sixty two is greater than
seven hundred and fifty five.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
True, But a lot of people put in like the
and you know a lot of people put the asterisk there, and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
The asterisk didn't happen. Major League Baseball had a chance,
they didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
So so that's the official number. That's the number. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Nothing you can do about it. But they won't. He's
not in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
I'll never Yeah, he'll never make the whole I don't
know if the but never say never. I don't like
he'll I guess now with the whole Pete Rose situation,
and him potentially if they do change.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
It to a like to bottom of the fourth in it,
if they.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Start changing it to a lifetime ban where it's like once.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Your Bonds isn't banned though.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
No I know, but like maybe not a lifetime ban,
I guess. But oh boy, oh Bell makes it. He
made the cat nice against the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Oh Bob costas with Bob went Boomer. Bob is a Boomer.
By the way, Oh that didn't look it. That looked
like that was belted all the way to to Marrietta.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Joe Morgan's one of my I gotta say something real quick.
Joe Morgan is one of my favorite player broadcasters. Yeah.
I think he's got like a great voice for baseball,
all right, Stolen bases for Eddie Steady Eddie? Where we looking.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
After we debated about Barry Bonds. So they all want
him in the Hall of Fame now all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
One hundred and ten stolen the three hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
So no, I mean, he's a first basement, not many
first base he was when he was younger, he was speedier,
but he was more about I know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
I'm just saying there's still a first basement there though,
Like dh or Yeah, how many first basement? How many
first Which former Yankee is the only pitcher to lose
three games?

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
And it was George Fraser. I want to say it
was George Fraser. It was it was George Fraser nineteen
eighty one. They lost, They lost to the Dodge Jo.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
So yeah, J Dogg knows everything apparently. Yeah, how many
first basemen have three hundred stolen bases or like or
how many? Tough one?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I was gonna say, Tom Glavin with those Nike gloves
you want the was, don't you? With those retros? These
were the first, I think the first player to wear
Nike batting gloves in baseball. It was either Tory Hunter
or Dion Sanderson. Yeah, Tom Glavino for one with a strikeout? Yeah.

(01:11:19):
Hank Aaron, the late great.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I did a I wish I saw him at the
Hall of Fame. Man. I did a report on Hank
Aaron when I was in school on like his time
with the Negro leagues and like him playing with.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
The Indianapolis Clowns. Yes, and it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
It was like just it was a one minute like
package or something I had to put together.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
And you didn't have to use chat GPT for it
because you didn't have chat GPT, you actually had to
do actual research.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Yeah, it was cool, it was It was fun to
learn about Hank and his time with the Does he
have his own locker there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Still still still at Fulton County Stadium? They they still
have it, they still Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Yeah, let's he what's he eating there?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
You think it's popcorn? Popcorn?

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
You don't think he's a cracker jack kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I saw a little thing of popcorn, So I think
he was a vegetarian towards like the last thirty or
so years of his life.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Really, So that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
I you know where he's where he was from?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Is he He's not from Atlanta?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
No? No, No, I don't know if I do know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I believe he's from He was from Mobile, Alabama, That's
what it was. Willie Mays was from Alabama as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Did Willy Mays play in the Negro Leagues?

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yes, hey, he played for the I believe he played
for the Birmingham Black Barons.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Okay, yea.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
The last two Negro leaguers that were you know, in
the league or well going into like the sixties into
the seventies. I believe was Hank and Willie Mays.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yep. I know Satchel Page played in the League two
later on, but I think that was before Hankin.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Oh, Satcha's first team was in the Majors.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Was it Cleveland?

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
It was Cleveland. He was part of the nineteen forty
eight World Series championship.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Back when he didn't really have the heat that he
had when he was with the Negro Leagues.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
But he played for the Saint Louis Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
That's crazy that he played like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
He played for the Kansas City Athletics.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
It's crazy that he played for like the Negro leagues
because what was Satchel the first Negro league player to
be brought into like the majors or something like that. No,
was that Jackie broke the color bearer? Yes, and he
played for the Negro League.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah, he did. He played for Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Well, there's like something that said he was like the
first Negro League U or something that was like brought
in or something like that. I don't know exactly what
it was. I'll have to look it up, but he uh,
it's just crazy, like the length of his career. He
played until he was like in his forty. No, keep
going in his fifties, keep going in his sixties. Yeah,

(01:14:05):
what I need to look up some I thought this
was Jake Jillenhall for a second, like the actor.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I was like, it's Tom Clapham.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Satchel Page, Yeah, satch Leroy, Satchel Page.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Why does he have two? See? This is cool they
have I think this is is this just his.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
What they would give him a rocking chair in the bullpen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Bridley That's crazy. It says here he played until he
was fifty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Okay, well all right, but close enough.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
I mean that's one of the oldest athletes, like the
oldest professional athletes I've ever seen, bud Sea Seali.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yeah again, his mother wasn't the commissioner of baseball. He
was the interim commissioner of baseball. He didn't become the
actual commissioner until nineteen ninety eight. Really, so they went
for almost five years without a sitting commissioner. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
That's got to be one of the first times since
like they created the position.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
You mean, like when baseball started, they.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Because they didn't have a commissioner, correct, Yeah, until after
the like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
The Black Sox scandal. Kennesaw mountain Landers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Because Supreme Court like ruled that they had to have
a commission that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
A great name. What was it Kennesaw mountain landis.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
That's why some of the like names, like people think
it's crazy what we named people now, Ulysses and stuff
like that. But like some of the names back in
the day, Josevelt, not even that. Like there's like, there
are some names back in the day that are some wild,
wild names.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Like let me look up like the give me a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Let's look up the nineteen twenty seven Black Barons, just
just for reference. Let's look up some names on this
point Dexter Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
It is the top name point Dexter point Dexter. Yeah,
Geechee Meredith.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Yeah. Let me see here we have Chuffy Alexander.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Yeah, that might be a nickname though.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Clarence Palm, Clarence Clarence, I guess is a not a
And again, if you have one of these names, we're
not making funny you. Clarence he is, I'm Clarence is
omit flowers please, I guess a new Clarence, I guess,
isn't that that old? Let me let me look up
another name here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Kenny lofton. Oh for to so far in this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Game, Williams, what kind of name is nish? I think
it's niche and is h I guess it could be niche,
say me on Chips, I was about to say, that's

(01:17:15):
that's what you right there? You were, You called that
out already, You called out Chippers struggling at at third.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
He made a lot of errors that year. Do you
know any errors Derek Jeter made in the minor leagues
one year? No, like seventy six? Really yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
At shortstop, well, he wasn't known just for he wasn't
known as like the best defensive shortstop in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
They thought he was like this, like.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Well, it's because he hit those jumping those those huge
like side arm throws that were always on TV, you know.
And that's the other thing too, is New York's got
the media. So it's like you always see the highlights
from the Yankees, or maybe not as much nowadays just
because it it's easier for media to get coverage of

(01:18:02):
everything else, but especially this time, Yeah, the New York
media like had a big stranglehold on like you could
they could control like what the masses were seeing essentially,
and if they want to paint the narrative that Jeter
is a good fielder, they can. They can just be like,
look at how many sidearm jumping throws that Jeter's made

(01:18:25):
in the year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
It's three, And then you'd see people taking pictures of
him making errors like I don't think so, yeah, we
got it on camera. We got it on the film. No,
AI hear pill.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Ball chippers grabbing the rosin. Couldn't grip the ball on
that on that ground, or so he's like, hey, let
me get the rocks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Let me get a feel for it. He's copping a
feel on the rosin bag. Rookie move what was that?
I've never seen that before. I've never seen a field
or walk up and be like I need some I
think talking to the you know, the pitch bub Glavin's
probably like, get the hell away.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
From what are you doing over here? Rook see this mine?
Rosin bag?

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Mine?

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Why would you want to why would you want to
get the rosin? If you're I just don't. I don't know.
We'll have to ask him. Yeah, oh, here goes Lofton.
Is he in money? It's Kenny Lofton.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
You knew that was gonna happen. Eventually. It happened twice
in Game one money not even Hovey Lopez, a different catcher,
and Game one was Charlie O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
It doesn't matter who they are behind the dish. Yeah, animal,
what a steal. And nowadays the bags are bigger, so
it's easier to steal, ask Elie de la Cruz. Yeah,
look at like Acunya. Ball gets away. Talk about braves

(01:20:21):
Acunya not necessarily now, like the pre acl injury.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
He yeah, the forty seven, they're gonna they're gonna not
want him to steal bases anymore. No, no, No, he's
one knee injury away from it, like not being over
but being like a big slugger. Yeah, he's one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
He's one knee injury away from.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Dhing dhing and being like a two forty hitter. Yeah,
with nowhere near the power he had. Javey Lopez, if
you throw that away and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Break the chippers, just sitting there like eat it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I'm getting the signals.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I know. Baseball is just so wild.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Carlos one f by c two f by treasure three.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
It's so wild to like the catcher's like shoulder shoulder,
Knie knee, shoulders, nose, nose, ear, ear, shoulder. What was
he doing? That's all for like one pitch? All right, boys?
Which one is that again? Can you start over? I blinked.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Time, Yeah, Mike car Grove, the human rain delay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
The uh. I was watching a game in the playoffs
with my wife recently, Yeah, and she didn't know what
the pitch colm was and I had to like explain
to her signals and stuff like that, and how they
used to do all these signals, which they still do
to an extent, Like the manager can still give signals,

(01:22:05):
but you don't want like you don't want to give
away your signals necessarily. Like it's easier for the catcher
and the pitcher to communicate. Now, yes, yeah, m Glavin
a little bit here in the sending, kind of laboring
a little Yeah, Well, Kenny Lofton, anytime he gets on base,

(01:22:27):
it puts that pressure on the on the pitcher, especially
a lefty like Glavin. Now he's got loft into his back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Right at third, because you have Carlos bayerg at first.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Right, So he's got Lofton. Yeah, Lofton's gonna sit here
and just Lofton's gonna pressure him, and a lot of
time when you have like a speedy runner like that, Yeah,
the pitcher wants to throw a fastball or a heater
in there, and it kind of makes it easier for
the batter sometimes because the pictures throwing heat in there

(01:23:01):
because he's worried about the runner coming home. He wants
to get the ball in quick, just in case or
in case someone wants, like if that guy wants to
steal second, then the catcher. He wants the catcher to
get the ball quick to get the throw off as well.
So it just makes the app that even harder for
the pitcher because now the batter knows you're trying to
throw in heat, but you got to. He's got a

(01:23:21):
pinpoint it. It just makes it easier for the batter,
harder for the pitcher, and Glavin, who's already struggling, is
in a tough tough spot here, tied it too. Yeah,
two outs though, full count runners going connection and catch Manny, No,

(01:23:43):
not Manny, that's the Braves' justice. Yeah, it's David Justice
hm close.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
M okay, nice snag by Justice. Now, Bob Bucker was
talking about Bud ceiling, right, Yeah, because the Brewers were
set to debut a new ballpark. Of course, that ballpark
would not open until two thousand. This was nineteen ninety five.
Wasn't there like a crane accident.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Instruction accident killed someone? Yeah, and I was that wicked
bad Yeah? Yeah, Miller Park now American Family Field. Yes,
and the Brewers had changed their logo to that barley
leaf with the M. You remember that one with the M,
the Curse of M with the barley leaf. Yes, yeah,
I actually missed that, but I understand why they went
back to the the mitt the because you know the
you know what the MIT spells, right, It's like it's

(01:24:37):
got the M and then the beginning in the minute
Milwaukee Brewers. Yeah, yeap.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Unsolved Mysteries, Hey, Costas is not canceling these shows, unlike
Joe Buck no TV Graveyard for nineteen ninety five for
Unsolved Mysteries, Dyline NBC and Homicide Life on the Streets.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Were you a big fan of any of these shows
back in the day you watched Unsolved Mysteries?

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
I never no choice to watch. I had again, Mama,
Joe had the TV or Dad had the TV. And
guess what you're watching? Unsolved Mysteries? With Robert Stack.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
I never watched it, but I've heard it was a
very very popular show back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
He'd be in a trench coat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
He disappeared fifteen years ago when the UFO picked him
up from Poise, Idaho. He was from Milford, Connecticut. He
never returned. That's good Tonight. Unsolved Mysteries fifty million dollars

(01:25:46):
went missing in a bank in Dallas, Texas, only to
return in Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Didn't you see the one thing? I remember? Didn't he
like try to solve a mystery live or something? Wasn't
there like a big no no.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Now you're talking Heralda Rivera and the al Capone's vault.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Yes, yes, yes, what.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Would be in the vote would be there be suits, cigars,
open it up, nothing, We'll see you tomorrow night Falls
close the vault. That was nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
I wan us, Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. Was that Unsolved Mysteries?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Well, that was just a Haraldo Rivera special.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
It was just a special.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Yeah, it was just a special. But the network there
was an I think it was maybe NBC, A network
like bought it and its like yeah, we got we
gotta do this. We're gonna have cameras in there. It's
gonna be great. There's gonna there's gonna be money, there's
gonna be suits, there could be dead bodies in there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Open it up, nothing, nothing, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Maybe maybe a gas can.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
I don't know, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
You know what the conspiracy theory is, right, What relatives
of those criminals in Chicago went in there like way
before the camera crew was going to check everything out
or open the vault, and took the stuff and took
everything out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
I wouldn't be surprised because there were footsteps. Really, so,
oh dang, sounds like a mission for Unsolved. I'm gonna why.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Didn't Unsolved Mysteries to al Capone's vault instead?

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
That's good, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Should have a revolver Hurraldo Rivera do that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Back in the eighties, Heraldo Rivera opened al Capone's vault,
but there was nothing in it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Tonight, we try to open it up again. We're onto you,
al Capone's relatives. That's crazy. We got you on tax evasion.
We'll get you again. McGriff at the dish, that's crazy.
Nineteen eighty seven, Robert Tanier portrayed al Capone he would

(01:27:55):
never portray him ever again. This on Unsolved Mystery, What happened.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
To the role of a lifetime Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
In nineteen ninety five, Dennis Martinez of Nicaragua pitched for
the Cleveland Indians in the nineteen ninety five World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
He would never pitch in the World Series for the
Cleveland Indians.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
You would play for the Atlanta Braves and never be
seen from ever again until tonight on Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah,
Martinez laboring not looking good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Bobby Cox looking on as I like that Bobby Cox jacket.
The two tone the dugout Major League Baseball in ninety
four ninety five, well it was ninety four they were
every team had a two tone jacket for the team colors.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
They did that with Cleveland as well. I think Oral
Hirschneiser is wearing it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Aaron and I have one of those like dugout jackets,
like for the Red Sox. We like when we got one,
not like a not like an authentic like one book. Uh,
we bought one the first game we went to or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
I have two Cleveland jackets for the dugout, the official
Dugout collection. I have to get a new one for
the Navy Blue because the pockets ripped. Are they throwbacks?
Are they guardians?

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Like? Oh, like they're like throwback? Yeah, this is two.
There you go, got him out of it? Four? Six, three, Belle,
Murray and Ramirez.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
We're done after what five?

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Rolling through on this one? Define define rolling through?

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
No, Yeah, it is tied. I should we This could
go on for a while. I gotta be careful. It
is tied right now. Martinez is forty. Yeah. Baseball is
the most wild sport in the world. Like it's Baseball's

(01:29:50):
the one sport. Yeah, you could be like, I don't know,
three hundred and fifty four hundred maybe not four hundre pouds.
You could be three hundred fifty pou Yeah, probably still
play baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Be like a first place two tone jacket. See yeah
for Cleveland. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
You could be like a bigger guy. We we've discussed
this on the playback before. You could be like a
different I don't know, like in baseball not what is
the term? Not every baseball player is an athlete, but
like in other sports like football, every football.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Player is an athlete.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Essentially, basketball, basketball, stuff, hockey players.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Different shapes and sizes in baseball, right, Bazoil Tyron Judge, Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
So in It's Just Crazy Baseball, you could be eighteen
and being the majors. You could be fifty eight and
being the majors. You know, you could be forty pitching
in the World Series against someone in the World Series. Correct,
and same thing like you could be you know it

(01:30:57):
in the what was it the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
World Baseball Classic?

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Yes, a couple of years ago, there was like a
plumber from like Croatia that struck out show Hao Toni.
It's like, what is baseball? What is this game?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
On this edition of Unsolved Mysteries, a plumber from Croatia
struck out Japan's show Hao Tani and was never seen
again until tonight on Unsolved Mysteries. So crazy, you've created
a monster. Now, I'm not going to shut up about it. No,
Unsolved Mysteries. They brought it back, I think, and then

(01:31:32):
it just yeah, how it is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Yeah a term that someone told me one time, like
a saying, and you don't smoke cigarettes, so you wouldn't
know this. I used to I used to smoke in
my younger days. Yes, a ReLit cigarette never taste as
good as the first time you laid it. It's a
saying someone taught me one time. If you put a

(01:31:54):
cigarette out and then you smoke it again, it's not
going to be as good as the first time you
smoke that cigarette.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
In nineteen seventy seven, a cigarette.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Went unlit until tonight where we re light the fire and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Al Capone's vault only on Unsolved Mysteries, but they's like
stuck on that Graldo.

Speaker 6 (01:32:20):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Oldest players that hit a home run in the World Series,
you knows Country Slaughter Joe Morgan. Joe Morgan, that's crazy
he didn't. I was still playing when I was forty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
On tonight's edition of Unsolved Mysteries, Joe Morgan forgets he
played baseball into his forties.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
The uh you know what he wanted to do there?

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Yeah, he wanted to hit that to Savannah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Yeah, he's trying to hit that one all the way
to Athens. Savannah's further than Athens from Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
I've only been to the airport Atlanta. I've never really
been anywhere in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
I can't stand that airport. That's like one of my
least favorite airports.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Big airport. I know it's a pain to get through.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
It wasn't for me. The TSA is long, the airport's huge.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Well, I haven't been there since twenty fifteen, so maybe
it's changed.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
It was like getting renovated last time I went in
late two, in the late twenty tens. No, it was
it was okay, like this decade, Yeah, graduated. It's probably like, yeah,
twenty twenty one, twenty two, like right after the pandemic
or something. I think maybe it was right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Before Albert Bell at first.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
By the way, my sister's schooling was weird because she
graduated like twice because she's a doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
She had to like go back back. Yeah, that's that's
that's how they do it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
But Heraldo Rivera was a big deal in the eighties
because he had a syndicated talk show on the next
Heraldo Transsexual Nazi Eskimos Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
The uh So, what do you think we could do?
You think do you think like Howard Stern could do
like a like a special like Coiraldo.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Do you think he I think he parodied that one
time real well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
I could see that, yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Right right, haydo in his Heyday, by the way, nineteen
ninety five, it's Howard Stern's Heyday. You know who Howard
Stern's biggest fan is Game Ones announcer Al Michael's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Really Yeah what yep. Al's a big Howard Yep, big sterner. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
I'm waiting for alve just to go hay now, I'm
just waiting one day, just one day, hate to do that.
I got the term of that what I said about,
you know, the Eskimos. I got that from Weird Al's
I can't watch This, which is a parody of you
can't Touch This by mc hammer. And what is he
talking about? Those weird talk shows about transsexual Nazi eskimos.

(01:34:58):
They're rude, crude and vile.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Yeah, we've already quote, we have quoted weird Al's I
can't watch this several times now with Cosby Show and Roseanne.
Think I've taken about as much as I can.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Yeah, I've told you before. I don't know if I've
said it on the playback before. But I got to
meet weird Al. Yes, we both, we both have met. Yeah,
I got to meet him when I did security at
Bank of New Hampshire Pavilion.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
It was back when it was back when it was
probably the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
I think it was BNHP still at the time, Okay,
I think because it was Live Nation.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
It was like their first year. So it's been everything.
It's been US Cellular Pavilion, it's been.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Yeah, I don't know what the name specifically was, but
it was like something like that or it was like actually,
when did it become Bank of New Hampshire?

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
I think was it still?

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
When was it twenty twenties? When was it Laconia Savings Bank?
Was that? When did they change it from that to
Bank of New.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Hampshire late to late twenty ten's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Okay, yeah, so yeah, it was probably Banker New Hampshire
Pavilion or something like that or yep. But anyways, when
I worked there, I got to man, he wanted to
hit that one too. Weird Al came into town and
he uh, Cairo, Georgia. I had to do like the
backstage security. I was head of backstage security.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
I remember, yeah, remember telling me this is a great story.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Keep going. I got to like go, I had to
go down to the there's like a pool area. You're
getting some insider exclusive information. Yes, uh for the backstage
area at this venue, there's like a pool with like
a bar backstage and like a mini golf course, and
weird Al was down by the pool with like one
of his band members or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
I don't know who it was specifically, but there was
like two of.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Them down there, and that guy was talking to me
because I just had to, I like would walk around
and patrol the whole backstage area.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
Yeah, I know, well, I've met Steve Jay as bassist
and Jim Kimo West is guitarist because he also has
Steve Bermuda Schwartz his drummer, and Ruben Valtierra his keyboardist.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
So I don't know who it was specifically, but one
of the band members was talking to me, and weird
Al was in the pool with them, and like he
he kind of you could tell he kind of didn't
want me there, like I was kind of crowding them.
But this guy was talking to me, and we're supposed
to be polite obviously to not you're you're a human,
so are you? So I was just chatting up all

(01:37:17):
the next and weird Al like chimed in and chatted
with me or whatever and talked to me a little bit,
another big hack from Manny and uh. And then later
on at the end of the night, weird Al did
meet and greets, yes, and I ran the security for
the meet and greets backstage, everything finished, everyone leaves, and
then at the end of the night, as I'm patrolling

(01:37:39):
the like the meet and greet area, someone had gotten
an autograph like folder from weird Al and they left
it behind. So I just have a random autographed folder
that says like my very best wish is Steve and
then it's like from weird Al or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
I showed you, Remember I showed you the autograph from
two thousand eleven when I met him the Capital Center
for the Arts and conquered because at the time Pedro
Barbone Junior. Now remember folks, Pedro Barbone Senior pitched for
the Cincinnati Reds in the nineteen seventy five World Series
that we just did, which was fifty years to the

(01:38:19):
date on October twenty first, we just did that one. Yeah,
that's crazy. Yeah, So his Pedro Barbone or Junior rather
pitching for Atlanta Baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Such a like family it is. Yeah, but you were
saying you met weird Alan concor I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Was living across the street from the Capitol Center for
the Arts. It was the first time he had ever
played there. Because my brother and I both went there
twenty eleven, we're able to get tickets.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
So that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Yeah, yeah, weird. How is still right across the street
from the Capital Center for there? I don't any more, folks,
so stop stoking. Manny strikes out. Oh can you get
your two thousand and seven self in this game?

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Please?

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
We're hitting, trying to hit anything it becomes. And if
that was two thousand and seven, he would have taken
that out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Yep. Ask me how I know. Oh, it was a
big hack. Manny misses on three big strokes, like the
three big swings. M we're already into the sixth and

(01:39:29):
then in two outs Jim Tomay with a foul tip
to get his at bats Serta.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
I went to Jim Tony as you. I've told you
this right. I went to Jim Tony weekend in Cleveland,
the first time I had ever. Yes, yes, twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
They took three, two out of three from the Orioles.
It's always the Orioles.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
See, I'm jealous. You always go to like series like
you you've I was gonna say not always, but I
feel like that's like more entertaining watching a whole series
and like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Well I've never had to pay for a series, so
it's always been on someone else's dime.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Right, It's the that's always the best. Love them perks,
Yeah for real.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Twenty eighteen radio stud Jade Dog went with his best
friend of Cleveland. They'd go years later on someone else's dime.
Who's dime? Find out on the next Unsolved Mysteries?

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I uh, yeah, I've only been to like single games
because it's always like is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
That on a bucket list though, that you've wanted to do?
You want to go to a series? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
I want to witness like baseball and sports, and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
You've never been to a series?

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
No, I want to. I want to witness like baseball
and like all sports and their totality, Like I want
to see all stadiums. I want to, like I have
a goal of you know, like that's like the bucket
list is to hit as many stadiums as possible, see
as many live sporting events, like I've been to the
four major American sports, Like I've been to a live
I've been to a Bruins game. I've been to as

(01:41:00):
I I've been to a Celtics game. I've only been
to one Celtics game. I've been to an NBA game,
but I've never going to a Celtics game. I went
to a Celtics game when I was in the Navy,
and I got tickets for like twenty five bucks at
the Garden and my back was on the wall. That's
how high up I was. I was on the top row.
I was back against the wall, on the top of
the of the stadium. But it was a great game.

(01:41:21):
It was the year Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double
for the first time and won the MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
How it was a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Yeah, And Isaiah Thomas was the stottom of the.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
Six too too Cleveland and Atlanta and Game two of
the nineteen ninety five World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Here on the playback, Isaiah Thomas was the starting point
guard for the Celtics at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
It four is not the other Isaiah the Hall of Fame, right, Yeah?
Who's been in this building though?

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
But yeah, I've been to, you know, football games, but
I want to see all the stadiums I want to
go to all the baseball stadiums. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Yeah, since I was a kid, I've had two of
my other friends that we've wanted. We may try to
do that in twenty twenty seven. We're going to try
to hit like because we're dry like travel essentially. Well,
I can't. We gonna have to space it out between years. Yeah,
I can't do it all at once.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Yeah. So that's why I don't know if I'm going
to be able to this upcoming season. But I do
want to talk. I want I've told you I want
to go to that the Red Sox opener out in
Cincinnati because I just want to try and see as
many stadiums as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
I have a friend that's been to Great American. They
call it Great American Small Park.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Yeah, I know. Well that's like one of the best
home run hitting parks. It's crazy that the Reds had
no thirty home run hitters this year this year and
they have one of the best, like or one of
the like easiest parks to hit a home run in.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
They don't have again that they're sluggers, aren't They don't
have enough slug that's them.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
They need a big bat. They need like a you know,
a name that you know we'll have dwarves or I
was thinking like Castianos, even like someone like he already
played for the Reds.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did. But I'm just saying
like or.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
I don't know. They need a bigger bat though. In Cincinnati,
for sure, they need like a couple of big bats.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Yes, they got money to spend. Yeah, so that's why
I think Schwarbs could be the guy. Yeah he would
rake there, Oh he would rake.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
It'd be unfair.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Oh not thirty five balls forty six strikes for a
total of eighty one pitches.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
For but also right up in the same like same
spot as Oh, oh come on, oh he had it.
What would have been a single turns into a double.
That should be an error. Yep, fourth postseason error for

(01:43:51):
Albert Bell.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
That's wild. That is unacceptable. I remember at a game
at Fenway in nineteen ninety six. Ah, that's unacceptable. That's
definitely an error. Yeah, game in nineteen ninety six. A
ball gets hit or foul ball gets hit. I think
it was a file foul ball, right, and I guess
somebody Fenway, he's gonna try to throw someone he threw.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Over the wall instead over the monster. Yeah. Can you
imagine you're just walking down like Ryan Klesco, You're just
walking down lands down and just bunk, just a ball
banks you on the head.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
It's a good thing you weren't going trick or treating.
Of course we know about that story. What yes, yeah, yeah,
just be thankful you weren't trick or treating and that
should be on Unsolved mysteries.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Keep that man off the road.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
He did get him barely.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Yeah, he probably got that kid with his car too. Ouch,
but seeing the sorry he did get him. Yeah, No,
it was a good defensive play. Bi Erga's playing great
for having that swollen ankle. Martinez has to come out.

(01:45:15):
I'd i'd get him out already.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Do they have anyone loosening? I don't think they do. No,
just braves.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
The braves are the only people that have. The braves
had too warming up right, that's close. Mm hmm. Are
they doing the chop song like the f s U
same same like fight song kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Okay, well they okay, Martinez stays in. They go, we
go Eric Plunk and Alan Embree you know Alan Embrie. Yes,
not a great name Eric plunk. Yeah for a picture.
I had to plunk him. I gotta live up to

(01:46:18):
the name. Bell's gotta is that? Are those Nike batting
gloves too?

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
They look like it. W Clavin's got the whole team
stocked up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
Javey Lopez.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
That was a good, good road. I can't believe he Yeah,
it was a wicked good pitch. I don't know how
he got a hold of that. That looked like a
lefty swing, you know, like lefties like it down and
inside A lot of them. That looked like a left
hander swing. The way he's able to like get down
and inside on that about on that ball, and he
was early too, you can tell like he was early.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Drove it to the foul side. Mm hmm. Justice on third?
Who's on second? Who was on second? Not leme key?

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Is it Griff? Because he's he's before Justice Presidente And
another tough spot he's been in. He's been in tough

(01:47:47):
spots this whole game. Painya with another great grab too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
That could have been a disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
He's been dancing behind the blade. Yes, goofy h. I
mean it's fitting with with the the team's playing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
It's gonna be loud in there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
When I was in high school, there was this kid
that played goalie for my hockey team. I went to
Laconia High School and there was a kid that played hockey.
He came from Belmont Guildford, which is like a combined Yam,
and he.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
He was a junior when he came over to Laconia.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
I was a freshman and his first name was Nolan,
and we played Belmont Guildford and our coach started him
against Belmont Guildford. We had we had two junior goalies
and they were both probably same talent. I'd probably say
no one was better than the other kid, but Nolan
was like new to the team, so he's technically the backup,
but we would rotate them. Guess what, No way, David,

(01:49:14):
just no, no, who Lobby Lopez, Bobby Lopez.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
I'll get him out of here. Impeach el Presidente.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Yeah, I told you to pull him after like the fifth.
I said that they should have pulled him in the fifth.
It should it should have been billionaire ted. And there's Jane.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
It should have been billionaire ted.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
He should have been pulled after.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
The fifth by the not you all man in the huckster.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
The man in the huckster, the human reign to lay.
I think let El Presidente stay in there too. Long ago.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Yeah, you were saying, what was it junior goalies?

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Oh yeah, So this kid Nolan, first game that he
plays against Belmont Guildford, A bunch of kids from his
a bunch of kids from his school, like from Belmont Guildford,
like that knew him.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
We're in the stands and the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
The other thing too is if you don't know Laconia
and then Big or Belmont Guildford, the two teams plus
molten Borough and Interlakes their team all three of us,
Like all three of those teams shared a rink, so
like BEG and Laconia games were like very very big

(01:50:33):
rivalry games. One Laconia's rivals are Belmont and Guildford and everything, Yes,
but we share a rink, so like their fans like
it's like a home home game for their fans, and
it was a home game for our fans. Anyways, Nolan's
playing and we go down like three nothing, right, and
then second intermission or second period, we go down like

(01:50:54):
two more goals. It's like five nothing, and the fans
start chanting Nolan's name from the crowd. Like while we're
in the middle of the game, they're just going no
Land no for like over and over and over and
over again. And uh. So we go into the locker

(01:51:15):
room and the coach starts to give him a hard
time and Nolan just packed up his bag and quit
in the middle of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Never saw him again.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
No, I ended. You want to know a crazy story.
So I wasn't really that close with Nolan in high school.
He was kind of mean to me, like where we
didn't really get along. Yeah, and uh and then after
high school when I joined the Navy, I went down
to the recruiting office and the recruiter was like, oh,
there's another kid from Laconia, from your hometown who's joining,

(01:51:42):
and you guys can probably carpool and stuff Nolan and
then my work MC I I've never heard of that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
Essentially, they were trying to mix phone and internet word.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Yeah, back then, Nolan, Nolan and I used to ride
to the to like our Navy smith our Navy meetings
together every week and we became good friends after that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
But at the time, yeah, in high school.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
We were not cool because I was the third string
goaligue and neither of the junior.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Yeah, I know, all over him. Jane Fonda hugging Ted,
billionaire Ted.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
I wonder why I'll buy whatever he bought.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
The Nacho man and the Huckster, I mean the macho
man and the Hulkster. Excuse me, the Natcho man of
the hucks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Yeah, nutchos yeah, processed cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
YEA call me brother, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
I thought I thought he had that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
I think he did too.

Speaker 7 (01:52:55):
It's coming undone mm hmm. Get El Presidente out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Yeah, right down Main Street. He almost had that too,
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Is he going to be able to finish the inning?
It looks like he's going to finish the inning.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
At this point. It feels like they're not doing anything.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Yep, So I think this might be it for him.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
They probably left him in for the righty on righty matchup.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
Okay, yep, pinch it for him, so yep.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Man. That See, that's an other thing that having the
pitcher's bat changes the game, because yeah, because now they
have they're like, well, we don't want to take out
Dennis Martinez and then put in Embry just to have
him go for one one at he's.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Not gonna gonna he's not gonna bat.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Right for one at bat and then pinch hit him
to put in another picture. They want to just they
want Martinez to get them out of here. But it's like,
at what point do you do you pull the man? Ye?
At what point do you say, Like, if he gives
up a two run home run right here, there's no
point in It doesn't matter who's bat next anyways, you know,

(01:54:36):
like you gotta like runs now, Yeah, just pull him,
Like if he if he gives up another home run
right here, it's game mmmm. Runners on the corners now.

(01:54:57):
And it's like right back where you were two set
seconds ago. If he gives up one more run, you
got to give him out. You got get him out
of it. Yeah, they're they're pulling him. There's no way.
It's just tough because I get it, you don't wanna. Yeah,

(01:55:28):
it's a rough it's a rough outing for Martinez. I mean,
it was good until he gave up that home run,
and not not even really, I mean it's secretly, not
even secretly, it's it hasn't been pretty the whole game.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
It hasn't been pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
He's done a good job at controlling the damage. But
it's falling apart now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Yeah, it was a very nineties tie on Bob Uker.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
These sets are huge. Yeah, I need more Bob Buker
in the in the broadcast here? Who would you rather have?
Bob Yuker, Bob Costas well?

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Again it's Bob Bob Costas is play by play, I know.
So actually analysts would be Bob Buker and Joe Morgan.
So would you rather have?

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Yeah? But I feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
I'm not taking my favorite out, you know that Robert
Quinland Costas. I feel like I would Alan Embrae.

Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
I don't know. We need more Bob Uker in the broadcast.
He's got a great voice.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Well, he was the voice of the Milwaukee Brewers all
those years.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
Yeah, h mm hmm, Man on first, Man on third,
and yeah, now think about that Albert Bell like error error. Yeah,

(01:57:09):
I mean he gives up the home run anyways, but
it's like that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Error just maybe just doesn't make errors errors just.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
They compile, like if you if you make an error
in baseball, you're just you're asking to lose.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
You mean, the Red Sox won that game six right, Buckner, Right,
We're doing that next year?

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
Whoah, because next year will be forty years.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Lofton's gonna get it. Yeah, get us out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Okay, because now, yeah, Glavin pitched his six right, so
now you're going to have seven, eight and nine. The
idea is to have.

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
They've had who they have up in the pen. Bourbon
Borbone junior.

Speaker 6 (01:58:00):
Yeah, Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
I don't know if Elvis was a Braves fan, do
you yet? No, no insight there.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
I don't think he was. I think he was at
Denver Broncos. But at first that's football.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
What do you think he was a Rockies fan?

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
Then they didn't have the Rockies back in those days.
He died in the seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
When did the Rockies come about?

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
In nineteen ninety three?

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Who do you think was his team? Then?

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Probably the Yankees. It's always the Yankees, right.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
It's always the Yankees. So they brought McMichael.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Instead of Greig McMichael. Bourbon Barbone would be the other bone.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
Yeah, I keep mispronouncing bone junior, Bourbone not Bourbon. I know.
It's like, that's all what I want to say. I
want to be like Bourbon. It's bourb Bond, it's Bourbon.
That's like, that's how my brain works bourbon. It's like,
what was there not bourbon? Okay, all right, I'm not

(01:59:12):
a big bourbon guy. Anyways, you're a bourbone guy. I'm an.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Can he get it?

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
Wow? Who's that running?

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
He's slid?

Speaker 3 (01:59:33):
I know. I thought Lemke caught it, honestly not watch
Oh yeah, bounced.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
Okay, nice snag though, hm hmm yeah, replay this. I
need to see if I need to see this dive
onto the bag again.

Speaker 3 (01:59:59):
He's that was close. That was close.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
You know, used to slide at first and it always
used to It always used to worry me. Kenny Lofton,
I think he actually broke his shoulder sliding to first.
I tore a hammy sliding into first.

Speaker 3 (02:00:15):
One time. I didn't tear it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
I pulled. I pulled my hold.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
I was like, in t ball, what are you doing
in t ball? Yeah? That videos. It was like one
of the first times I, like.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
Wayne Kirby at the dish.

Speaker 3 (02:00:29):
One of the first times I had ever like played
baseball at all. It was like one of the like
my first season in T ball, and it was like
my first at bat, I like walked, I hit a
ball and then I like tried to slide into first,
and my dad pulled me aside and was like, don't
ever slide into first. Don't ever do that again. Yes,
And you never did, no, never again. I wasn't a

(02:00:51):
big sliding kind of kind of baseball player anyways.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
Pull now in the pullpen for Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
I didn't play baseball for long. Like when I was
a kid, I played. I played up until like I
played all the way through middle school. I didn't play
in high school. I ended up playing like lacrosse my
last year of middle school. But when I was younger, like,
so I don't I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
I'm assuming it's the same and conquered.

Speaker 3 (02:01:20):
But in the little league in Laconia there's like a
major's and a miners is how we called it. So
there would be like the miners was just like you
would sign up to play baseball.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
The majors Urby Whiffs.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
Had like a bigger field that you played on. You
had to get drafted for that, and you had to
go to tryouts and stuff from majors like the miners.
If you didn't go to tryouts, would automatically just get
put on a team. And I never went to tryouts,
so I never played in the majors in little league baseball.
So I just demolished the miners, like I was like

(02:01:58):
Bobby Dlback hitting like five hundred foot home.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
There's a blast from the past.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
I was like, I was like C. J. Cron in
the minor leagues out here.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Raking c There's another another one. Kenny Lofton base hit.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
Nice, easily the best player on the on Cleveland without
a doubt. Kenny Lofton.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Sure it's not Albert Bell.

Speaker 3 (02:02:21):
Well, no, it's it's between him and Eddie Murray. To me,
steady Eddie, eat drink and be Murray.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
But I would. I would rake in the minor league.

Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
Dog I would, so I never had to slide because
I would always just hit home runs. There was no
fence around the field in the minor leagues. And if
you've been to you ever been to Laconia like baseball
or the Laconia like track, you know where that is
no Peachey Park. Yeah, yeah, so there's never been on Wait,
I've set up equipment on the track.

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
I've never actually been like you know, you know the
baseball fields are right next to it, Robby Mills Field, right, No,
the Robbie.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Mills is like a different one, uh little, it's like
outside of the city almost so at Opeachee, they had
four minor league fields that face into each other.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
Yes, like the outfields all.

Speaker 3 (02:03:07):
Connect, there's no fences or anything. And I would hit
it from one minor league field into another one in
the middle of games while other teams were playing. And
my like all the kids that played with me were
like two years younger than me, or three years younger
than me. I was like eleven or twelve, playing with
like ten year olds, nine year olds, and just absolutely

(02:03:30):
like they would lob me meatballs and I would just
absolutely nuke these baseballs to like another field. Like one
time there's a softball game going on and the outfielder
had to go into the middle of their play like
while they were trying to turn two to get the
baseball that I hit, and I had already hit like
an inside the park home run. Kenny Lofton was stolen base?
Is that is like third or fourth stolen base in

(02:03:52):
this game in the series game?

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
Two bags in two games. That's crazy, four bags in
two games.

Speaker 3 (02:04:02):
What is the record for like most he might have
it most stolen bases in a world.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
O Markhi scale is an ninety eight average in the postseason.

Speaker 3 (02:04:21):
Most stolen bases in a World series. Mhmm, so the
do you know what the record is? Is it? What
is it?

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Five?

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
Six, six in a single World series? It's not Ny, No,
it's not. One player has done it twice and he
did it in back to back years, was it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
Ricky Henderson?

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
No? Is it a Hall of famer?

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
I don't know. I think so, but I don't know.
Was it in our lifetime? No?

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
Is it Joe Morgan? No, so it's not that that's
a Hall of famer.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
Of course, I'm trying to see. Let me look up
this guy and see if he's up. He missed it?
No way, how about this. It's not over yet, Mike Devereux,
So this guy is a Hall of Famer?

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
Okay, It's just it wasn't in our lifetime.

Speaker 3 (02:05:31):
Right, No? Oh, it was it? Uh?

Speaker 7 (02:05:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
I actually was off. I think it's so. I was off.
It's not six either, it's seven stolen base. Watch right here,
Devereaux overstepped it. Wow, seven stolen bases.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
Seven stolen bases. It's not Ricky Henderson in a single
world guy, is it?

Speaker 3 (02:05:54):
Lou Brock, it is, okay, seven stolen bases.

Speaker 1 (02:05:59):
He did in sixty seven, right.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
And sixty eight back to back World series, he had
seven stolen.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Bases, one, one lost, one won the sixty seven lost,
the sixty eight world series. That's crazy seven in each
World series.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
Yeah, wow, only and no other players ever had six.
That's what the the stat says here other players or no,
it says other players have stolen six bases in a
World series, but no other player has reached seven. Okay,
and e seven.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Four three now top of the seventh The two outs
Carlos Bierga at the dish.

Speaker 3 (02:06:42):
And Kenny Lofton is sixth all time for World Series
stolen crosses. Lou Brock is first with yeah, team obviously.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
How about Ricky Henderson, do you not steal a lot
of basses in the World series?

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
Seven? Okay, seven careers, seven careers, all right, because he did,
playing a lot of World series with the A's and
the Blue Jays.

Speaker 3 (02:07:02):
So this I don't know who this person, Eddie Collins.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Oh, that's way before that's way before our grandparents' time.

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
He is the only other person with fourteen stolen bases
in a World series, like in like Career World series,
and then the second like the next most behind that Eddie.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
Collins with the Colombia. If I'm not mistaken, how do
you know that?

Speaker 3 (02:07:24):
How do you even know who this guy is? I
looked up that. I'm going to look it up. But
the fact that you even.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
Know who this guy is, I'm jade dog.

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
What are you doing? This dude played baseball in nineteen
oh six?

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
Yeah, okay, I know my history.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
Where did you think he went to school?

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
I think it was a Columbia Did he he did
go to Columbia? Go, oh, it's starting unravel for the Bravos.

Speaker 3 (02:07:56):
Yeah, they should have kept glaving in. It looked like
he I guess he was kind of laboring.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
But Bobby Cox is going to make a pitching change.

Speaker 3 (02:08:10):
Edward Trowbridge Collins. Trowbridge is his middle name.

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
You're not naming your middle You're not giving your kid
that middle name.

Speaker 3 (02:08:19):
For a second, I thought this said his hometown was
Lynnwood Cemetery, Western mass And nope, I would I would
hope not. No, that's where he is. That unsolved mysteries
right there, stole fourteen bases in the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (02:08:35):
In the early nineteen early nineteen hundreds. Was never seen
until tonight when we opened the vault with Heraldo Raverio. No,
I think we're gonna have Jerry Springer open the vault
this time. Jerry or Phil Donahue. Where was Phil Donahue from?

(02:08:59):
Was it Cleveland? Phil Donahue was from Cleveland?

Speaker 3 (02:09:01):
Yep. The scariest thing is a catcher.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
You don't know where it is?

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
Your daily number? You're daily three or five, seven and four? Folks?

Speaker 1 (02:09:16):
Great?

Speaker 3 (02:09:16):
Yeah, what okay? Yeah, that is the scariest thing as
a catcher though, And then you're Fantasy five.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Yeah, two six, nineteen twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (02:09:28):
Thirty six. Slap it down on a lotto number, Go
buy a ticket tonight, Jade Fantasy five.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
Selena Gomez, Oh not, oh no, okay, I got you?

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
Sorry?

Speaker 8 (02:09:38):
You?

Speaker 3 (02:09:39):
Uh you ever watch Friends? Were you a fan of
Friends back in the day?

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Hated that show, really hated that show, really.

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
Because I know you're a big Seinfeld guy, and that's
like Seinfeld is like a they're in the same universe.

Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
I'm pretty sure, like.

Speaker 3 (02:09:51):
I think they know technically they they exist in the
same universe.

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
People think Seinfeld was a Friends was a copycat of Seinfeld.

Speaker 3 (02:10:02):
I mean maybe, okay, maybe it's it's a show about nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:10:08):
No, the Friends was the whitest show in the history
of ever. Okay, yeah, but Seinfeld the only thing black,
and that was the coffee.

Speaker 8 (02:10:19):
Sign.

Speaker 3 (02:10:19):
Friends.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
Friend's a good show, all right. No, they didn't have
a show called Enemies after it, just like the show lost.
You know what they should have had found exactly what
are we doing to hear folks come on NBC and ABC?

Speaker 3 (02:10:33):
You like that didn't? Yeah, that's a good one. Other
than the coffee joke. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:10:42):
I forget where I was even going.

Speaker 3 (02:10:43):
Go ahead, I forget where I was even going with it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
You were going to say something about friends.

Speaker 3 (02:10:47):
Yeah, but I'm trying to remember why why I brought
it up. What were we talking about before that? I
can't even remember the catcher being the toughest position, like
the ball getting past scary. Remember, there's too much going
on in this game for me to think about friends
or enemies. Yeah, it's these two teams are for enemies

(02:11:09):
right now.

Speaker 1 (02:11:11):
Nineteen forty eight World Series rematch. Can Albert Bell atone?

Speaker 3 (02:11:16):
Nope? Oh my gosh too.

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
Albert Bell hitting fifty home runs in the regular season,
not doing crap in the World Series.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
Fifty home runs in ninety five Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
In one hundred and forty something games, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:11:44):
You could probably he probably would have hit sixty in
a full season.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
One hundred and sixty two game season, right, yeah, probably
hit sixty.

Speaker 3 (02:11:56):
This thing is a coliseum for your modern day glassators.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
That's what they were modeled after.

Speaker 3 (02:12:02):
Right, Yeah, me too, Bob.

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
I think you'll have a better chance than than than
Bob Buker will know. So, blimps are wild.

Speaker 3 (02:12:18):
They just I jim Pool. Now. I feel like being
in a blimp would be cool, but that's just all
I think about is like the Hindenberg, And I'm like, yeah, no,
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
I don't want to say you want to? You want
you want to? You want to fall up the Hindenburg. No,
Like I'm not trying.

Speaker 3 (02:12:34):
I don't want that to happen. You want to be
a dead Zeppelin? I want to know. I want to
be I want to be like a passenger on a blimp,
but I don't want it to be a situation like that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
That always scares me.

Speaker 3 (02:12:50):
Plus, blimps are just weird, Like what are you? Are
you a car?

Speaker 1 (02:12:54):
Are you a plane? Are you a balloon? Tares and
Paul Austin Mocker. There was the game one essentially, that's right, yep,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:13:10):
Oh he had him, No.

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
Jose Mason getting loose there he is.

Speaker 3 (02:13:23):
Fifty five times? Yeah, m hm, forty eight save situation. Yeah.
Do you know what the record is for most saves
in a single sea? Yes? What is it?

Speaker 1 (02:13:36):
K Rod did it back in two thousand and I
think eight. I think he saved it like close to
sixty games, sixty, Yeah, because I think Bobby Thigpen had
the record for the White Sox Fred McGriff, the crime
dog at the dish, k Rod had fifty two or.

Speaker 3 (02:13:58):
Excuse me, sixty two, yeah, in two thousand and eight. Yeah,
Edwin Dyas has the second most in a single season
with fifty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
Bobby Thigpenn had the record, Yeah, he said that in
nine in nineteen ninety, right, fifty eight.

Speaker 3 (02:14:18):
He had fifty seven in nineteen ninety yeah, Edwin Diaz
tied him in and twenty eighteen, but at that point.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Already had the record.

Speaker 3 (02:14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:14:26):
And how did Krod do against the Red Sox in
the American League Division Series that year? In eight he
flamed out. The Angels were always losing to the Red
Sox in the postseason. You notice that except for two
thousand and nine, but other than that eighty six four
I think five, noh uh, eighth, seven and eight oh seven.

Speaker 3 (02:14:49):
Yeah. I the Red Sox in those those early two
thousands years, like after they broke the curse, like that
second mid delay.

Speaker 1 (02:14:58):
Yes, because early they weren't breaking nothing. Well no, yeah, yeah.
How about this justice for Barbara the breeders cup. This
is this is pre Barbara. If you know, justice for Barbara.

Speaker 3 (02:15:10):
Where's your shirt? By the way on that, I'm waiting
for a playbacker to get me one. Oh, they have
to pay for it. I get it. I get to
go to free ball games and you want free T shirts.
I need justice for Barbara.

Speaker 1 (02:15:23):
We need we need an Unsolved Mysteries edition on Barbara.

Speaker 3 (02:15:28):
The horse was told to look at the flowers until
it went missing until tonight. On Unsolved Mystery.

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
And al Capone's Vault. There's just a horse.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
There, you go. That's a huge horse. There we go
talking about Barbara. David Justice. I'm wondering if they were
calling him a horse.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
He they were calling a lot of things halle Berry's X.

Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
I like that. That's funny, Like a wizard. He's trying
to let him know I didn't swing drops his bat
right where it was. But he's also struggling. David Justice
hasn't really he's been taking walks. He's been getting walked.
But that's not really on him. That was more on
Martinez just he was not able to locate the ball

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from from the first inning.

Speaker 1 (02:16:22):
Four to three, bottom seventh, Atlanta leading Cleveland, Game two,
nineteen ninety five World Series. There is this the bottom
of the one, the eighth, now right seventh.

Speaker 3 (02:16:32):
I think he was bottom of the seventh, seventh.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
Oka, yeah, bottom of the seventh.

Speaker 3 (02:16:38):
Okay, at least the i'm's consistent again whenever we're whenever.
If you're gonna if you're gonna have bad calls, just
be consistent about having bad calls. If your strike zone
is gonna be three feet to the left and that's

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where it is, well okay, then.

Speaker 1 (02:17:02):
You know what I say to the amps A B. S.
Whoo man, he's there.

Speaker 3 (02:17:12):
That's going to bring us to the eighth. YEP. Murray
Ramirez and Tony my homie.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Jim Tomy is my homie.

Speaker 3 (02:17:25):
Who's your favorite player all time? Have I ever asked
you that for the for Cleveland or yeah, in general?
Do you have a favorite player even if they're not
for Cleveland?

Speaker 1 (02:17:34):
Well, who's my favorite baseball player of all time?

Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
I don't I don't know that is it? Will? I
feel like, Yeah, we talked about, Yes, who's your favorite
Guardian or or Indian or.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
Nap or Blues or Bronco. They've they've been different names. Yeah,
it's going to be Jose Ramirez Gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:17:59):
I know I was about to say, I know it's Jose.
I didn't need you to.

Speaker 1 (02:18:02):
Tell currently j Yeah, but all time? Probably either Jim Tomy.

Speaker 3 (02:18:09):
Or Kenny Lofton. Maybe, No, he's up there. It was
going to be Grady size More. Oh it was.

Speaker 1 (02:18:20):
It was going to be, Yeah, there's cheese, there's Paul Serrano.

Speaker 3 (02:18:27):
Cheese. Let's see Jim Tomy.

Speaker 1 (02:18:36):
Victor Martinez Vic he's up.

Speaker 3 (02:18:38):
There, Jim Tomy over Grady size More. I mean who
meant more?

Speaker 1 (02:18:43):
Yeah, Joel Grady Sizemore got hurt too, don't forget that.
And so what could have been? Yeah, Travis Haffner, Prunk,
Herb Perry.

Speaker 3 (02:18:57):
Where's Kwan on your list. How do you feel about Kwan?
I like, I like Kwani, but yeah he's not like a.
I think he's gonna get traded the soft season. See,
but if they let him go. It's just crazy that
Cleveland made the postseason and they were like selling almost.

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
Well they sold Bebes right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:19:19):
Like they were selling at the deadline and they still
made the postseason.

Speaker 1 (02:19:21):
They didn't have an offer for Kwani.

Speaker 3 (02:19:23):
No, I know, well they did, but it not a
good one.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
Yeah, if the price is right.

Speaker 3 (02:19:32):
Yeah, I think the only person that's off the limits
for the for the Guards is jose Correct.

Speaker 1 (02:19:39):
I feel like he'll he'll die in Cleveland. He's already
got a field named after Hi, He's already got a
street named after him. He's going to get a statue.
Manny was up there at one time, so he took
the Manny and run.

Speaker 3 (02:19:54):
Yeah yeah, well and two Like, I also try to
think like you know, when you're talking like your favorite,
you can you can still have guess have like a
favorite you know, Cleveland player. But when you think of
like Manny, like I always think of the player in
their bust, like if Manny was was in the Hall
of Fame, or if he ever had a bust, he

(02:20:14):
would be in a Red Sox uniform. No hat, Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like he would be in
a Red Sox hat, like it wouldn't be Cleveland. Well,
they wouldn't put that on the no, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (02:20:26):
Not anymore. In fact, Jim Tomy his Hall of Fame
plaque was the blocks C that he wore maybe three
times in his career. Really, yeah, he was very I'm
not I'll go to the Hall of Fame, but if
I'm were in a Cleveland cap, you can't.

Speaker 3 (02:20:43):
It's cool that he's got Cleveland on there. It's cool
that they they like did that instead of just making
it like a White Sox like it, because it would have.

Speaker 1 (02:20:52):
Probably been easy for Twins for another uniform on it.
Played for the Orioles too, he didn't play very long.
He played for La, played for the Dodge Erys.

Speaker 3 (02:21:02):
Yeah, but I feel like it's two prominent teams are
like Cleveland and Chicago, not Philly. No, And I think
at Jim I well maybe I guess you could say Philly,
but I think at the White Sox Jim Tomy, not Twins, No, definitely,
not Twins or Dodgers Twins tweens. That was cool. Is
that new? The pitch speed bug? I feel like we

(02:21:23):
haven't seen that the whole game.

Speaker 1 (02:21:25):
That's new.

Speaker 3 (02:21:29):
Well, the thing I'm forgetting too, there's two different broadcasts
because I was like, they we didn't see that last game.

Speaker 1 (02:21:35):
It's still the Baseball Network. So the bugs are the
same inste Yes, Yeah, the graphics are all the se
You didn't notice that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:42):
I guess now that you mentioned it. I hadn't really
thought about it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
But well, there was an ABC logo last time. Yeah,
now there's an NBC logo, right, I was right.

Speaker 3 (02:21:52):
That's why I didn't really think about it, because I
just saw the logo and just assumed it was different.
But now that you mentioned it, the graphics are the same,
like the lower third and stuff like that. Yeah, here
he is, speak of the devil.

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Well used to kill the royals.

Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
Wilson gloves on.

Speaker 1 (02:22:15):
He used to kill the Kansas City Royals. As soon as.

Speaker 3 (02:22:19):
Reebok he's now he's got Wilson gloves.

Speaker 8 (02:22:22):
On on his feet.

Speaker 3 (02:22:34):
Eddie Matthews, Detroit Tiger, Milwaukee Braves, Milwaukee. Oh, you're right.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
Boston Braves, Milwaukee Braves.

Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
I know I've seen his Boston Braves card mm hmm,
who am I I'm thinking of? What is it Christy
Matthewson or something.

Speaker 1 (02:22:56):
Like that for the Giant in New York Giants. Didn't
he play for the Tigers too, though? No, Tigers weren't
in existence when he played, really actually know they were,
But no, they know he never played for the Tigers.

Speaker 3 (02:23:06):
Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (02:23:06):
Yes, a guy named Christy? How about that?

Speaker 3 (02:23:10):
Uh? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:23:13):
Ball.

Speaker 3 (02:23:23):
Yeah, he played for the Giants whole career. Yeah, except
for last season he played for the Tigers, the nineteen
sixteen Cincinnati Reds. Okay, I don't know who I was
thinking of then, Denny McLain. No, I don't know who the.

Speaker 1 (02:23:40):
Last thirty game winner in baseball.

Speaker 3 (02:23:41):
I know who Eddie Matthews is, but I was thinking
of someone else.

Speaker 1 (02:23:48):
Denny Matthews, the voice of the Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (02:23:50):
Royals, those same Royals that Jim Tomey used to demolish. Yes,
used to own.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
Yep, Like when Friends was on, I would change the chat,
I would own Friends, I would change the chance.

Speaker 3 (02:24:05):
He was. He was like Patrick Mahomes, part part owner
of the Kansas City Royals.

Speaker 1 (02:24:12):
He doesn't have the deed Mahomes has the deed, told
me didn't have the deed. Like Aaron Rodgers and the Bears. Yeah,
own you, that's wild.

Speaker 3 (02:24:24):
Aaron Rodgers and his relationship with the Bears, that whole
situation as wild. That's crazy. He even says it like,
I know, squirts a touchdown, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (02:24:36):
Own you, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:24:55):
Wait, it's nice to win, No way.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
That's unsolved. That's gonna be on unsolved mysteries as well.
If it's nice to win or not. I'll probably get
Sally Jesse Rafael to do to uncover that.

Speaker 3 (02:25:09):
Someone. Get the Red Sox on the phone. We need
to let them know, update them on the new information
we've got. Yeah, I wonder if he's pulling the ball
hit it to the right field sixty one times, left
field twenty six times. This is pre shift though there's

(02:25:29):
no like correct Yeah, where there rules against the shift
are just people didn't do it right.

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
So the strategy just didn't add up back there right.

Speaker 3 (02:25:36):
Like Yeah, Like I was gonna say, I don't think
there was a rule that prevented it, but no one
was paying.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
It there forward think enough.

Speaker 3 (02:25:43):
Yeah, Well the other thing is is like no one's
got oh yeah, he's way far off the bag. Okay,
was that Manny? Manny being Manny. That is awful. That
was that was that was awful. That was one of

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the that's a terrible base running decision. He's so far
off the back. Just run while you're yeah, yeah, yep,
right on his hand. Yeah. Oh that's that was textbook
by Atlanta, textbook on pickoff. Great play by the by

(02:26:31):
the catcher.

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
And he walked him, he walked him.

Speaker 3 (02:26:35):
If Manny had just not gotten so aggressive, they could
have had two runners on base with one out.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
If Manny hadn't been Manny.

Speaker 3 (02:26:45):
Yeah, at that point, you're right, you should just go like.

Speaker 1 (02:26:55):
That was a perfect and a look at hert Grove.
You can't do that. No, you cannot let that happen.

Speaker 3 (02:27:03):
And it doesn't matter if your team has the lead
now or not, because well your team doesn't have the lead.

Speaker 1 (02:27:09):
You're down by one, right, you need that run.

Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
That is.

Speaker 1 (02:27:17):
You see what you see my pain?

Speaker 3 (02:27:19):
Now? Do you see my pain? Do you see a
twelve year old.

Speaker 1 (02:27:23):
Boy with a root canal that's frustrating the Pink Power
ranger leaving. She would just celebrated I think fifty fifth
birthday not too long ago.

Speaker 3 (02:27:34):
By the way, the pink power range.

Speaker 1 (02:27:35):
Yeah, Amy Joe Johnson, cape Cod's owned, by the way,
the New Englander. It all comes back to New England.
Always weekend in New England. Barry Manilow.

Speaker 3 (02:27:47):
Yeah, they just pulled Devereaux. They put a new outfielder
out there.

Speaker 1 (02:27:55):
Painty is out.

Speaker 3 (02:28:01):
Here comes the cheese, say cheese. I can't believe man,
he got thrown out. I can that's crazy too.

Speaker 1 (02:28:16):
Out in the eighth, Mark Wohler's their closer is trying
to get a save, and the eighth and the eighth
we're going.

Speaker 4 (02:28:26):
Four four out save. What a throw.

Speaker 1 (02:28:39):
And again it wasn't down in the middle. It didn't
have to be. He framed it.

Speaker 3 (02:28:43):
What a yeah, what a switch to like a great
transition from the glove the mitt.

Speaker 1 (02:28:51):
Mitt to mitt right there, Catcher's mitt to first Baseman's mitt.

Speaker 3 (02:28:56):
If you just run, just run.

Speaker 1 (02:28:59):
You're so far away. Why are you? Why are you
taking a lead that big?

Speaker 3 (02:29:15):
That's so so frustrating. Picked off four runners in the.

Speaker 1 (02:29:25):
Playoffs just in nineteen ninety in the season. Yeah, it
said nineteen ninety five. That's not that good. They didn't
have again, picked off not caught steel. Oh Okay, okay,
you don't have that. You you don't get Plus he
wasn't an everyday catcher and you don't get those opportunities
all the time. Anyway, No, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:29:44):
I was thinking that it was like the same as
Cott steel basically Piazza.

Speaker 1 (02:29:48):
Yeah you know that, right, Yeah, Piazza's percentage for cot
stealing was not Mark Wohlers now the closer for the
Atlanta Braves coming in, that's a strike. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:30:13):
That's the one thing that's changed about baseball. The speed
of the game. The speed of all sports is always
getting faster, always, but the ninety nine and they're like,
oh my gosh, it's approaching triple digits. It's like, do
you know how many relievers can throw triple digits nowadays?

Speaker 1 (02:30:34):
It's crazy or all just Chapman throws like one hundred
and seven, Like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:30:39):
Like a hundred, one hundred and five is like so
many pitchers can reach that now. Yeah, that's the one
thing that's different. Like when whenever people talk about the
success that Babe Ruth had and how crazy like talented
a player he was, it's like, yeah, well, the curveball
didn't exist when Babe Ruth was playing baseball.

Speaker 1 (02:31:01):
Neither did other minorities, like yeah, like game, the game
has changed, like of course, it's just.

Speaker 3 (02:31:09):
Like, can you imagine Babe Ruth going out and trying
to play baseball today? The type of player he would be,
He would, Babe would be a double a player.

Speaker 1 (02:31:19):
Pulli and Tavares in for Cleveland now, top of the
ninth inning, especially with his diet bottom of the eighth.
Excuse me, that's right, We're on the bottom of the eighth,
not the top of the ninth, bottom of the bottom
of the eighth in Atlanta. Excuse me. So Sandy Alomar

(02:31:41):
Junior now is catching.

Speaker 3 (02:31:43):
He caught Game one right, mm hmm.

Speaker 9 (02:31:49):
Mike Devereaux at the dish seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (02:32:08):
So you don't remember Juli and Tavares.

Speaker 3 (02:32:09):
Huh the name kind of rings a bell, but not
really pop up to Manny out in the right field.

Speaker 1 (02:32:20):
Don't drop it.

Speaker 3 (02:32:23):
You assume it's going to be routine. But after watching
some of the plays tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:32:28):
It's many Ramirez.

Speaker 3 (02:32:29):
Yeah, yeah, that that was. Getting caught stealing is just
or picked off. Yeah, getting picked off, that's even worse.
I'd rather you get caught stealing at least you're making
a run getting picked off is just that it's more
like lazy or or uh.

Speaker 1 (02:32:53):
Not, like oblivious. I had him, who was that?

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
Chipper? Was it chippery? No, No, it's hobby. It's hobby. Yeah,
it's hard to tell because Chipper is a switch hitter.
It's hard to tell when he when they walk up
and a couple of these guys have have like the
turtle neck look on like Chipper does.

Speaker 1 (02:33:16):
It's fall.

Speaker 3 (02:33:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33:17):
In Atlanta nineteen ninety five, Pat Corralis, the first base
coach for Atlanta, was a former Cleveland manager. He's no
longer with us.

Speaker 3 (02:33:29):
In the eighties he was you know, the oohoo that
was disgusting. Yeah, that was a good pitch. Raffi Belliard

(02:33:50):
one forty three. He doesn't play much anyway. No, I
was gonna say he's he's pinch hitting for No, he's
the short stop. I thought he was pinched it. Oh
two beautiful, Yeah, beautiful textbook double play Tavares. What was that?

Speaker 1 (02:34:15):
Six four three? By the way, Yeah, didn't have to pitch,
but didn't have to didn't have to throw too much, right,
I always.

Speaker 3 (02:34:20):
Get the numbers when i'm Yeah, no, Tavar is easy,
easy inning. If only every inning could have been that easy.

Speaker 1 (02:34:29):
Not how it works, folks. Yeah, sorry, I.

Speaker 3 (02:34:32):
Always forget the numbers on the on the field it
pitchers one, catches two, and then it's first three, second, four, third, five, short, six,
seven eight nine.

Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (02:34:48):
And No.

Speaker 1 (02:34:49):
Number ten is not d.

Speaker 3 (02:34:50):
H in softball? Don't designated player? Don't they have like
an extra fielder in softball or something like that? Am
I wrong?

Speaker 1 (02:35:01):
They have the designated player? Ruben Amaro, you know that name.
He was an affiliate the Philadelphia Phillies GM back a
few years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:35:16):
We'll see how he how he stands up against Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (02:35:20):
Mark Wohlers. We're in the top of the ninth now
in Atlanta, Cleveland leading or other Atlanta leading Cleveland four
to three, Game two, nineteen ninety five World.

Speaker 3 (02:35:30):
Series, Cleveland looking to it's something going something here, already
down one games to none. I know the statistics on

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teams that fall to and zero in playoffs, in in
extended series in baseball and others. In the World Series,
it's just not good. You never want to put yourself in.
You don't want to dig yourself too deep of a
hole that you can't climb out of Put that on a.

Speaker 1 (02:36:08):
Pillow, pillow and sleep on it.

Speaker 3 (02:36:11):
Yeah, dream about it, dream about it. Yeah, right down
the middle. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (02:36:20):
It's a great pitch, like tomorrow can catch up to it.
That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (02:36:23):
Yeah, mm hmm, Uker, that's to see. I feel like
I haven't heard Yukre all night.

Speaker 1 (02:36:44):
You have, We've just been talking about uh al Capone's vault.

Speaker 3 (02:36:51):
In al Capone's vault, we open it up, Bob Uker?

Speaker 1 (02:36:57):
Is he in there? We find out?

Speaker 3 (02:36:59):
Then I I think he's at the Brewers game. Ah wow,
not good, not good.

Speaker 1 (02:37:19):
This is a Sunday, by the way.

Speaker 3 (02:37:23):
So there's probably a ton of eyes on the game.

Speaker 1 (02:37:26):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (02:37:39):
Chipper not messing around that time.

Speaker 1 (02:37:41):
He was inside too. He Oh he was playing close
to the place, yes, but there's billionaire Ted and James.

Speaker 3 (02:37:47):
He was playing close last time, but Kenny hit it
right to him and and Chipper couldn't handle the ball.
It was what like third inning or something, way long
time ago. But it's a very similar situation. Tripper makes
the makes the play this time without.

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
He essentially cheated inside and again it's not cheating, no,
they call it that Almard h SkELL last chance for Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (02:38:15):
Hitless just means he's due, right, hopefully, one would hope
rewrite history somehow, one would hope.

Speaker 1 (02:38:28):
So you know why we call him billionaire ted right?
Why is that because they were calling him that in
the w w F because he was buying all the talent,
because they.

Speaker 3 (02:38:37):
Go to w c W get through. Okay, all right,
getting the start. Let's just not get picked off at
first base this time.

Speaker 1 (02:38:50):
Well, I don't think the scale will have that issue.
A little more, a little more headstrong, yeahs than many Ramira's.

Speaker 3 (02:38:59):
That's crazy, just out of the finger reached your fingertip reach.

Speaker 1 (02:39:04):
You gotta be careful on that.

Speaker 3 (02:39:05):
Yeah, not done yet. Yeah, if Wollers could have got that, that
would have been a I don't even know if he
would have made the play necessarily.

Speaker 1 (02:39:19):
But you can't call it a web gem because it
wasn't in the web of his glove. I've seen web
gems or they do the one hand and I'm like,
that's not a web gem. You gotta use the glove.

Speaker 3 (02:39:35):
MHM way outside one if by sea, two, if by two,
if by land.

Speaker 1 (02:39:46):
By treasure two of by treasure, yeah three if by er. Yeah,
he would go to the Mets and he would never return.

Speaker 3 (02:40:03):
I'm glad that unsolved mystery graphic popped up. Yeah, that
really drove the rest of this playback.

Speaker 1 (02:40:14):
And future additions. Boys and Girls.

Speaker 3 (02:40:18):
Tonight taking a taking a step off, Eddie Murray going
to town on some sunflower.

Speaker 1 (02:40:37):
Seeds chow down? Did we did we figure out?

Speaker 3 (02:40:47):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (02:40:47):
What? Two?

Speaker 3 (02:40:48):
Three? Two? Is the the series? They're so they're on
to Cleveland after this one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:40:55):
For three? Should they get there?

Speaker 3 (02:41:00):
H go throw?

Speaker 1 (02:41:15):
Yep? Single?

Speaker 3 (02:41:16):
That's crazy. Yeah, that was a really good, really good steal.

Speaker 1 (02:41:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:41:45):
Did they give him a strike on that? Was that
a swing or they call that a ball ball? It's
a good check. Good good to hold back another check from.

Speaker 1 (02:41:55):
Bierga three and one?

Speaker 3 (02:41:58):
Yep. So they brought Devereux out? Excuse me? Who was
out there before and left? Who made the error earlier?
Was that?

Speaker 1 (02:42:15):
I thought they took Devereux out. I thought that they
did what I'm saying they did. He had made that
error before that.

Speaker 3 (02:42:22):
So who's in left field now?

Speaker 1 (02:42:27):
Who is in left field for the for the Braves?

Speaker 3 (02:42:29):
Yeah? Who is in left field?

Speaker 1 (02:42:31):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:42:32):
I thought they took Devereue out, but they just made
it sound like he was still out there.

Speaker 1 (02:42:35):
I don't know they moved him to right, did they?

Speaker 3 (02:42:37):
Yes? Get something through on the ground here, Warren Burner
through the gap, just driving the run. That's it. You
gotta worry about one run, come on, come on, two outs,

(02:43:00):
bottom of the ninth, four to three. Braves have the
lead man on second, full count runners going, any fouls
went off. Yep, it's crazy again. Baseball is such a
crazy sport. Baseball is the most unique sport. It's why

(02:43:21):
it's yeah, it's my sport.

Speaker 1 (02:43:22):
Huh, not football, not hockey, not basketball. I love those sports,
don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:43:27):
It's crazy when like, in a situation like this, full count,
like you can feel the energy build up, and then
on a foul ball, it's just like and then everyone
else and then as soon as they all line up again,
it's just the whole the whole crowd is just uh like,
you can just feel it. Our presidente struggling in this game.

(02:44:06):
It's a good matchup, though it's definitely more offensive than
the previous game. One up, Chippers got it waving off
and that's game to nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:44:20):
Lead Now in the World Series for the Atlanta Braves
over Cleveland and another one run game, another close one.

Speaker 2 (02:44:28):
Yeah, you're listening to the playback with Jaye Dogg and
CJ on the Pulse podcast Network.

Speaker 1 (02:44:34):
The aftermath of Game two of the nineteen ninety five
World Series Siege, and we're gonna dive right into the
Best Bet Award with the betting back then, money line
would have looked like the odds you have Cleveland, Atlanta.
The Bravos win the second game of this best of
seven series. They've got a two games to none lead.

(02:44:54):
Now in the Fall Classic in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (02:44:57):
Yes, it's a good here, of course though the Braves
taking the win here, I think there's things that we're
gonna break down here in the aftermath. But still in
a tight series, Yeah, I think overall.

Speaker 1 (02:45:11):
I think it's not a ten to two games.

Speaker 3 (02:45:14):
I think the Braves just keep edging out the the
Indians there. So let's break down the Best Bet Award.
The sports bookie putting on my cap.

Speaker 1 (02:45:25):
You got to get that half, I know.

Speaker 3 (02:45:27):
Uh So we're gonna go with the three typical stats
we here, we got here, the three typical bets. The
money line opened up at minus one forty for the
Braves and plus one twenty for Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (02:45:40):
So plus one twenty for Cleveland and minus what one
forty for Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (02:45:44):
Okay, yep, that's the money line the run line minus
one and a half for both teams, Atlanta being minus
one ten, Cleveland being plus one hundred, So not not
too far. Like I said, it's a pretty even, uh,
pretty even money line. They're pretty even run line too,
so it's it's not like Cleveland's too far into the

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plus money, but they are plus and then the over
under was eight total runs. Uh, the over being minus
one oh five. The under was minus one fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:46:16):
So the favorite overall was Atlanta. Yes, in game two, Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:46:20):
It's it's it's in Atlanta, or it's at like it's
in Atlanta. It's in Atlanta. It's not in Turner Field
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:46:26):
It's in the Olden County Stadium. Yes, the as you
call the cathedral. Yes, it's essentially shaped like one. Yes,
this is what they did back in the days, folks.
Is they shaped these these these the Colisseum or something
they shaped they they they molded all these stadiums after
you know, cathedrals of the.

Speaker 3 (02:46:44):
The great Roman gladiators, Greek gladiators.

Speaker 1 (02:46:48):
Yes, and if you look at it and you compare, oh,
they did they and those that's design.

Speaker 3 (02:46:53):
Those blimp shots definitely like create.

Speaker 1 (02:46:56):
A skyline of the city. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:46:58):
So the best bet here, j dog, where where would
you have put your money going into? I mean you
would have you would and and uh and and Dennis
Martinez was the pitching matchup, so you can think over
under I would have taken the run line, so you
over under I should say over under for the eight
eight runs. So what would you have done under under?
The under would have assumed. Yeah, it's a duel between

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two great pitchers. Of course, obviously the the the runs
didn't get two out of hand here, but Martinez, it's
just we'll talk about that. Yeah, I think the best
bet here would have probably been the I don't know,
would it have been the over under under? What was

(02:47:40):
the final.

Speaker 1 (02:47:41):
Score, wasn't it? Uh? Was it four to two?

Speaker 3 (02:47:45):
Yeah, so it would have been under, so that's minus
one fifteen. I think technically then the run line did
it was four to two? Is that what we said?

Speaker 1 (02:47:55):
Yeah, so I.

Speaker 3 (02:47:56):
Think the run line would have covered, so Atlanta would
have covered the final score here with minus one and
a half. Like runs, Atlanta would have won by two
runs in theory, and that would have been minus won ten.
But I think the under on the total runs might
have been the the actual best bet. Jade Ogg is

(02:48:19):
going to try and just recap the final score for
us real quick catch, a quick glimpse. I want to
make sure we're giving you the right statistics on this
best bet here it's the best bet.

Speaker 1 (02:48:28):
We want to make sure.

Speaker 3 (02:48:29):
We want to make sure we're keeping it, you know,
accurate and consistent. Here we go give us a second here,
folks stay with us playbackers for three for threes the
final score, so the run line wouldn't have covered. It
would have been the under. So best bet would have

(02:48:51):
been taking under on total eight runs, because you get
more money there than if you take the actual like
Braves money lines.

Speaker 1 (02:49:00):
Worst Athletic Moment Award. What went terribly wrong? Was it
a choke, a collapse, or just playing bad luck? You
could say the Albert Bell error was pretty bad. Getting
picked off is worse. Oh, manny being manny and a
key situation. I just picked off at first. I feel
like that's unforgivable.

Speaker 3 (02:49:21):
In the World Series. Yeah, in the like that is
truly like on all stages, you can't.

Speaker 1 (02:49:25):
You can't do that, Like.

Speaker 3 (02:49:26):
You just can't late in the late stages of the game,
down one run, like, you can't do that. You can't
getting caught stealing. It's one thing if you're getting caught stealing.
Getting picked off is oh there off the catcher, which
is even crazier. It's not even like the picture turned
and snapped. You were so far off the bag that

(02:49:49):
the the catcher had enough time to pop snap and
throw it. It wasn't a.

Speaker 1 (02:49:53):
Perfect throw down the line.

Speaker 3 (02:49:54):
It was a way oh yeah, no that he was.
Manny was so far off the bag he was asking
it he should have just gone. If he had ran it,
I feel like he would have actually been safe. But yeah,
many getting picked off. I think the Bell play does
need to be mentioned though, because that is Yeah, that
is not a good play either.

Speaker 1 (02:50:13):
I think the thing is why. I think Manny again,
this was in Kiosk, a key situation, and Manny Ramirez
all he had to do was not do that.

Speaker 3 (02:50:20):
Yeah. I also want to mention I think El Presidente,
like him loading the bases in the first inning.

Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
He labored the entire game. Yeah, like or I.

Speaker 3 (02:50:27):
Don't he loaded him in the first inning, right or yeah? Yeah,
the fact that he did that, it was just like
off to such a bad start. I just want to
throw that out there. That was like one of my
most disappointing things and in this matchup was seeing him
kind of flounder. And uh, they didn't score as many
runs as you would think they would have as considering
if you look at how many base runners they have. Yeah,

(02:50:48):
but the fact that he just gave up that many
base runners in general is just not good.

Speaker 1 (02:50:52):
So he didn't put them in a position to win.

Speaker 3 (02:50:54):
No, he no, not at all. The Peak Physical Specimen
Award who looked like the ultimate athlete physique, endurance, dominance,
Tom Glavin, you're going with Tom Tom Glavin? Okay, Uh, yeah,
I again, I'm talking endurance. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51:08):
And and and you know he's a young kid at
the time.

Speaker 3 (02:51:11):
All right, they don't have to be like ripped. I
picked what did I pick Reggie White for one of
our Yeah he was not ripped Monday Night footballs. But
it's not necessarily about being ripped. It's about like being
the best physical athlete on the field or on whatever,
the ice, the court, whatever at that time, in the ring,
whatever it is, it's not necessarily who's more ripped. It's

(02:51:32):
who's performing the best physically, right, And Tom Glavin's a
good answer. I like that. I'm gonna go with Chipper.
I feel like Chipper had a really good game. He
did have one error early in the game, but then
he re he corrects it later on in the game,
like later later in the like more tense situation, tense innings,

(02:51:53):
down the stage, down the line. However, he cheats inside
the right and he makes he makes up and makes
the play in that same spot where he made the
error in the beginning of the game. So I think that,
and plus with his hitting, I think that Chipper just
needs to be included. But that's gonna be mine.

Speaker 1 (02:52:08):
Chipper Jones Okay, best sports nickname, who had the most
legendary nickname, hilarious, perfectly fitting or all. El Presidente. Yeah,
because if Dennis Martinez were to ever run for president
of Nicaragua, he.

Speaker 3 (02:52:20):
Would get in. I like El Presidente Dennis Martinez. I
still like the crime Dog, but I think I'm gonna
give it to Presidente because we're gonna see a lot
of these players play throughout the whole series, so the
positional players are gonna be right, Like the nicknames aren't
gonna change. So like the presidente, you know, like throwing
it out there for a picture, ye, making it, uh,
making it like special for this one game.

Speaker 1 (02:52:42):
Best Mike Work Award, Who talked the talk, Best interviews,
trash talk or soundbites. This is your first glimpse siege
of Bob Costas in the World Series. Costas, Joe Morgan
and Bob Yuker, two of what you're no longer with us.
Those two are not Morgan and Yuker, but that's your first.
This is your first foray into hearing miss Baseball next
to Bob Costas in his first World Series as play

(02:53:04):
by play and Joe Morgan.

Speaker 3 (02:53:06):
I am gonna give it to. So who you giving
it to? Did you? It's the booth that eNB this.
You're giving it to all of them. That's also my
pick is I'm giving it to all three because I
think they were all incredible. It's one of the first
times I've thought, like all, like this whole broadcast is amazing. Yeah,

(02:53:27):
and since we've started doing the playback anyways, there have
been other games that I've seen in my lifetime where
both broadcasters. Usually I say both because usually it's only two,
but in this situation, there's three. Yeah, And the fact
that all three of them hit it out of the
park and just absolutely are blacking out on the mic,
like just give it batting a thousand, all of them,

(02:53:49):
Like I can't put it in enough terms, like they're
all three give a great insight without overshadowing the product
on the field, and they share great moments with each other,
and I think it's just a great broadcast overall. NBC
always killing it.

Speaker 1 (02:54:03):
Yeah, and that's because we had Game one on ABC.
Game two was on NBC. Can you guess who's got
Game three?

Speaker 6 (02:54:11):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (02:54:13):
It's ABC?

Speaker 1 (02:54:14):
No, if you saw they were promoting Game three, So
NBC will get Game three in Cleveland. Interesting that, which
would lead you to believe that Game four will probably
be ABC as well as Game five five. So the
coolest moment of war, the absolute chilliest, sickest moment, could
be a celebration, walk off, or icy stare down. It's

(02:54:36):
not what happened in the game, it's what happened before
the game. Hank Aaron throwing out the ceremonial first pitch.

Speaker 3 (02:54:44):
Oh that's cool. I like that. I like that idea. Yeah,
coolest moment, Uh, I feel like what you got. I
don't know, Hank, Aaron's a good one.

Speaker 1 (02:54:58):
Don't you be looking at my lemonade? I'm not.

Speaker 3 (02:55:00):
I don't know. It's tough. I feel like just the
the pitching matchup, but I mean El Presidente didn't really
live up to it. I'm trying to think. I think
coolest moment and you're not gonna like this. I think
it's tied with the worst athletic moment, and I think
the popcatch and throw from the catcher on the pickoff
on Manny what Yeah Lopez with the throw, it was

(02:55:25):
such an incredible like play as a catcher. I know
how difficult that is. It's not like to the just
the transfer alone from the glove to the.

Speaker 1 (02:55:36):
Hand, mitt to the hand.

Speaker 3 (02:55:39):
Is got to be a seamless transition. And on top
of that, you have to have a cannon for an
arm and throw it accurately, which you even alluded to.
He didn't throw it like super accurately, but just still
an amazing play from the Braves, like as much of
an unathletic moment.

Speaker 1 (02:55:56):
It was for Manny.

Speaker 3 (02:55:57):
I think in the other side of it, like the
flip side, I think it was such a good play
by the Braves to be able to recognize, Hey, this
guy's that far off the bag. Give the pitcher the sign.
You know, as soon as I catch this, throw this
where I need it. And that's the other thing Tom like,
I don't know if it was Glavin in at that point, No, don't.

Speaker 1 (02:56:14):
I forget it was a reliever.

Speaker 3 (02:56:16):
Yeah, I forget who was on the mountain.

Speaker 1 (02:56:17):
It might have been bor Bones, whoever was.

Speaker 3 (02:56:19):
On the mount The placement of the pitch was perfect
for the transition from mitt to mid to hand, like
when he when the catcher transitioned like it was perfect
where the picture where the catcher needed it. The catcher
threw it where the first baseman needed it, and overall
it was an incredible play. So Lopez picking off Man
did it a jewell.

Speaker 1 (02:56:38):
Looking back, does it hold up any context changes? It
feel cringey? Now this action one does hold up because
you've got the pitching matchup, which wasn't as good as
Game one, but you have Denny Martinez who was all
lights out of Montreal comes to Cleveland, has a relatively
good career, but you've got Tom Glavin. Yeah, so keep
that name in mind, by the way, as we move
along in this series. I'll leave it at that. Yeah,

(02:57:00):
this one does AGE well because again, you have look
what you have going on here. You have a relatively
tight pitching matchup now again Denny Martinezel Presidente was essentially
was impeached.

Speaker 3 (02:57:11):
Yeah, yea for real.

Speaker 1 (02:57:12):
But it holds up because you have a tight game.
You have Kenny Lofton doing what Kenny Lofton does. He
stole two more bases, by the.

Speaker 3 (02:57:20):
Way, yes, so, and he's you know the fact that
he's what did we say, He's got four stoles.

Speaker 1 (02:57:26):
Stolen bases in two games already, and they're heading back
to Cleveland down to Love. So that and also the
fact this had so much going on. It had home
run with Hovey Lopez, right, he made that quick work
of Manny Ramirez on the base paths, right. Yes, you
had some good defensive plays, you had some errors. So yeah,

(02:57:47):
this game, too, I think AGE is a little bit well,
a little bit better than Game one does.

Speaker 3 (02:57:52):
I like this game and I'm saying, yes, this Age
is well because I like the matchup is never a blowout.
There's never at one point even though I know the
results of the series. And again my old Presidente did
not have the best of game, but again the score
was close, yes, was enough to keep them in the game.

Speaker 1 (02:58:09):
That's my point is I think that.

Speaker 3 (02:58:11):
The the matchup's never a blowout, so it's never like
there's never a point where I'm like, oh, Cleveland's not
coming back.

Speaker 1 (02:58:18):
Correct, It's not a ten to eleven to two games, right, it's.

Speaker 3 (02:58:23):
I know the results of the whole series, like ahead
of time already, but I never know at what point
what's going to happen because this game keeps me on
the edge of my seat. The matchup is a good
enough matchup where again I never feel like Cleveland's fully
out of it. I feel like they can come back
at any time. Yes, And that's what makes this a
great playback specifically this series is you know, even if

(02:58:46):
you know the results, it feels like you're watching an
incredible matchup.

Speaker 1 (02:58:51):
Of two great pitchers.

Speaker 3 (02:58:53):
Despite Martinez not having the best outing, he still keeps
it under wraps. He's able to get out of so
it's almost more impressed if how good he is at
getting out of tight situations. He gives up a couple
runs here and there, but never let's it. It doesn't
fly off the handling. It looked like it was going to. Yeah,
it didn't though, kept him in the game, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:59:13):
Game three will be Chuck Naggy and John Smoltz another
pitching match, this time going back to the land. It
will be the first time since Cleveland hosted a World
Series or a postseason game for that Matt Well, a
World Series. Excuse me because they hosted a ninety five postseason,
but I should say first time hosting at Jacobs Field,
only at second season in now Progressive Field, and the

(02:59:34):
first time in thirty forty one years hosting a World
Series game. Whereas, as you know, in Atlanta for the
most of the nineties, you know, ninety one ninety two, the.

Speaker 3 (02:59:43):
World Series never left. It's pretty much just hung out essentially.
I just left the banners there and ninety one and
ninety two. Yeah, we'll see you guys there next year.

Speaker 1 (02:59:51):
Just repaint the numbers. Yeah yeah. So we'll have that
for you on the playback Game three, and we'll have
more editions of the playback in the not two distant
Future as well as Bet this yep.

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Speaker 3 (03:01:31):
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Speaker 1 (03:01:35):
Yeah for real, I think that does it. Dog great
special thanks to Luigi y Aguilera for Game two of
the nineteen ninety five World Series. Game three coming up
on the playback, and we'll have games four, five, and six,
And that's it for now and then again. Classic Monday
Night Football continues on every Monday of the month of
the December.

Speaker 3 (03:01:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:01:56):
Also this December, John Cena's final match is going to
be coming in Saturday Night. Its main event. The rumors
he's facing Goonther. Like Goonther retiring Goldberg, he may be
retiring the greatest of all time in w WNST. That'd
be interesting that father in his cap he'd have.

Speaker 3 (03:02:10):
I was about to say, that'd be a good like
trivia moment almost for you big Goonther fans out there.

Speaker 1 (03:02:16):
We'll have the We're not gonna have that match. We're
gonna have his match against the phenomenal aj Styles at
the time was the WWE champion going into the Royal
Rumble in twenty seventeen. We're gonna do that one that
just before seen his retirement that day in December thirteenth
in Washington, d C. The nineteen eighty gold Medal, not
gold medal, the medal game, Medal round game between Team

(03:02:37):
USA and you know US or Soviet.

Speaker 3 (03:02:40):
I should say yes, the US, the USSR USSR that's right.
And also we'll do that Thanksgiving game coming up between
the Cowboys and the Vikings from nineteen ninety eight, you know,
the one where Randy Moss wants to eat all the
turducket in the world and John Madden is more than
happy to oblige. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (03:02:59):
I'm excited. Did Yeah, that's coming down the pike though, Yes,
as well as Muhammad Ali versus Chuck Wepner, the Bayone Bleeder.
That's a great nickname, by the way, because he was
from Bayone, New Jersey and was I feel like boxing's
got some of the best nicknames. That's where it all
came from. Boxing started with those nicknames and they just
kind of went onto wrestling went onto football, baseball.

Speaker 3 (03:03:19):
You ever seen You've ever seen? F is for family.
It's like a show on I think Netflix originally I've
heard of Bill Burrs like you. There's there's like a
in one of the first episodes, they get like a
color TV I've told you about, You've told you but
there's a there's a there's a fight.

Speaker 1 (03:03:36):
The reason he gets the TV because there's a boxing
He wants to see a boxing match, right.

Speaker 3 (03:03:40):
But at the end they announced the names and the
nicknames are like Charlie the Drunk Irish like or something.

Speaker 1 (03:03:44):
They're like drunk, yeah, something like.

Speaker 3 (03:03:46):
It's a comedy show, so it's like the nicknames are wicked.

Speaker 1 (03:03:49):
Funny, ridiculously parodying the nicknames of boxers. Yeah, which you're
funny because most boxers have ridiculous nicknames, but they stick, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (03:03:59):
Smoke and Joe for it sticks.

Speaker 1 (03:04:00):
Yeah, you know. So we'll have all versus Chuck Webner
that'll be coming up in December, and keep tuned to
that and take us out.

Speaker 3 (03:04:09):
All right, Hey bet heeads. That does it for today.
If you're gonna bet, bet this and we'll catch you
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