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Beyond the Ballot with Ryan Gurcharn andNoka duck Ru and welcome to the final
time. I will say that toBeyond the Ballot, this is the last
show just before elect live election theycoverage. Noka and I will have hopefully
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summarized everything for you know what youneed and if you don't, we have
a great panel standing by to helpsummarize this entire election for you, so
you know who you're voting for onMonday, have not voted already, Noka,
last show, How are you feeling. I'm sad, Ryan, I'm
going to miss us okay so much. No, especially No, I'm going
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to miss Beyond the Ballot. I'mgoing to miss you know, our banter.
I'm going to miss you know,the conversations and the rich discussions we've
had. We interviewed all the topfive candidates, so cool we did.
We had really good conversations and wetalked about the future of our city and
like so many cool stuff. Andnow now we are leaving it up to
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the voters. They are going tovote. Yeah, they have to tenth.
Okay, let's do a final summary. What happened this week in the
world of the mayoral election. Well, there's there's lots going on. There's
there's there's I don't think that thereweren't any more debates this week, not
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that I know of. There werefew. There was some. I saw
dippic Up put something out on youknow, Alvin and his his tax freeze
and how that's going to you know, essentially raid the reserves of the city
and how you know that that wouldbe a terrible thing. That's interesting tactic
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because she was usually attacking Carolyn,You attack the front runner. Well,
isn't that interesting? What's happening?Why do you switch the channel? What's
going on? Well, the reasonis because of the polling. The polling
is changing. What polling did yousee was the last when you saw so
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I saw something you know, byMain Street that had them all within the
margin of error, and they wereall, you know, a couple of
points behind Carolyn. So it lookslike it might be anybody's race. Sorry,
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you're going to have to repeat that. They're all within the margin of
ara of era of Carolyn, butthey're all a couple of points behind Carolyn.
Carolyn's lost her lead quite quite abit, so Alvin's still third,
But but they're all very close.They're all very very close among decided voters.
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Does that include Steve Vasco? Dascois a little bit behind, but
not that behind either, No,because I thought I thought for sure his
voter share would increase because he's gota lot of seniors in the Port Credit
area. Well, you know what, the polls are saying different things.
I've seen polls that are saying differentthings. So we don't really know,
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honestly, all that this is theonly thing that has been consistent is that
Carolyn has maintained a lead. Right, whether she wins by you know,
forty of the vote, or whethershe wins by you know, two percent
of the vote, A wins awin, right, or whether she wins
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at all. Whether someone manages tobreak through, we don't know. I
think we might have an exciting interestingnight on Monday. I'm not ready to
make a prediction of who I thinkis going to win. I might make
it on Monday night, but I'mnot really sure if I'm going to do
that just yet. But we'll see. I'm ready to go. You're ready
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to predict Hazel, Hazel wins.It takes it, Sam, I have
her names of her name appears onthe ballot and just happens people write it
in they do. Oh my god, can you imagine with that? Let's
get to the panel. So let'stake a quick break. When we come
back, the panel will be hereand let's break down, summarize, analyze,
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and you know, get ready forthis election. So stay tuned right
here on news STOCKSAGA. I'm sixtyam stream us live at SAGA nine sixty
am dot C. You're listening toBeyond the Ballot with Ryan Gurcharn and Noka
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Duck rub And welcome back to thebest panel ever to wrap things up on
this Merril campaign or election that we'regoing through right now. You see signs
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everywhere, You're hearing rumors of Idon't know, some fun election stuff happening.
And here to help me introduce ourpanel is my co host's usual Nokah
that crew. Hello Ryan and helloeveryone. I am so glad to have
you all here, I'm actually goingto do something a little bit different.
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I'm, you know, going toslightly introduce you, but I'm actually going
to allow you to introduce yourselves alittle bit more. We have Bill McBain
and Nour Jerved from the Toronto Star, as well as Nicole de Nasty.
Do you guys want to just saya couple of you know things about yourselves
to our listeners so they get toknow you a little bit more. And
maybe you know your favorite flavor ofice cream so that they feel like they
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know you or something like that greentea ice cream. Oh, very good,
very good, love green tea icecream. And that was Bill McBain.
He's a professor shared in college andsorry missed that Seneca College. Seneca,
I said the other s word isBill McBain. He is a professor
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at Seneca College. And he hasdone any campaigns across Ontario and he's also
worked at Canada. I forgot you'rebigger than just a province. Bill,
Yes, I'm seeing I'm hoping it. Zepic will help with that, but
anyway, and he's also done You'vebeen a staffer at Queen's Park so many
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moons ago. Yes, oh Ottawa, look at that. I'm always learning
new things about you. Bill,that's what you said last time. I'm
just feeling back and what you wroteabout me last time. So there you
go, and Nicole tell us alittle bit about yourself. Yes, hello,
Hello, I'm very happy to beon this panel, loving the energy,
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especially for the grand finale of theseries. So really excited to be
here. I'm going to hold aneasy and I live in word three.
I've lived in Mississauga my entire life. Born in Mississauga, went to elementary
high schoo Well in university, Iwent to UFT Mississauga, all in Mississauga,
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and I've been really tapped in interms of who is running for the
election and really looking forward to seewhere the city goes. We're dealing with
a lot of really big challenges andI know we'll get into that. And
I first met you, Nicole along time ago when you started Mississauga Gives,
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which is a charity that encourages givingtwo other charities. Yes, I'm
pretty involved in the in the charitablesector. So and I didn't answer my
question when it came to ice cream, but probably oreo all the way awesome
and last, but definitely not leaseis more. You've worked with the Toronto
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Star. I've read your stuff manytimes. We've talked about how horribly articles
right now I'm joking a centerpiece.I especially appreciate the coverage you've been doing,
Appel. We haven't been getting enoughcoverage. Anybody in people will tell
you that. But could you tellus a little bit about yourself? Sure?
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Hi, thanks for having me.My name is Newer. I'm a
journalist. I work at the TorontoStar. I've been there almost twenty years,
which is crazy hard for me tobelieve. I cover municipal politics for
the suburbs, so not only Mississauga, but really anywhere, whether it's a
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scandal or an election. And andyeah, so for the last few weeks
months, I've been covering the Mississaugaelection. Not probably as closely as I'm
sure you guys would want, butfor for you know, a size city
the size of the Guta, Iguess pretty closely trying to touch upon at
least the major issues that have comeup. So yeah, it's been I
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think it'll be an interesting election dayon Monday, so yeah, for sure.
So I actually, you know,realized this yesterday this is the first
election where no one is selling well, first mayoral election where no one's telling
us who to vote for. It'susually Hazel will endorse someone and everybody will
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just vote for whoever Hazel endorses,or not everybody, but a lot of
people would. But it's so interestingbecause Bonnie decided not to endorse, and
now you know, we've got thislandscape of candidates who you know, many
of them. Apparently it's going tobe a close one, so we'll see.
According to some recent polling that I'veseen. Nor you've been covering this
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for a while, what stood outto you so far? Yeah, So
I think what you've said is actuallyone of the most interesting things about this
election is that it's kind of aIt's the first election where there's not an
incumbent and the first election where there'sactually a real race, I think in
at least five decades in Mississauga.So I mean that alone makes it unique.
You know, because as we know, his own mccallian was here for
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a long time and then Bonde Crombiekind of followed in her footsteps. So
I think that alone makes it interesting. Also, the candidates are all they're
all like all them. There's twentyof them obviously, but there's four or
five of them which are who arewell known in the community, who are
currently on council. So the factthat there, you know, it's actually
a competitive race makes it really interestingas well. And then you know,
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I've read quite a bit about howMississauga is at this like really interesting juncture
where it's you know, always beenthis suburb of Toronto, but now it's
really kind of become a city andit's really struggling with its identity. Is
if it's a suburb, if it'sa city, and all of the infrastructure
issues and challenges that come with that. And so I think and the first
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article that I wrote about the electionkind of you know, tried to cover
this off that this is this couldbe one of the most important elections for
Mississaga in a long time, becauseit will kind of whoever is elected now
and then you know, the nextelection, it was only two years away,
will really shape I think Mississauga's rolenot only in Ontario but across the
country. And I think that's whythis election, I think is probably one
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of the most important ones for youknow, the last few years at least.
Yeah, absolutely I completely agree withyou on that, Bill. What
are your thoughts so far on therace? We had you on our first
episode. Bill helped us, youknow, start the show. You know,
you know, things have changed sincethen significantly. I think, I
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don't know, maybe they have theychanged? Have they not changed? I
have no idea, Bill, whatdo you think? Well, there are
more candidates who have a shot atthe at the at the at the ring.
Now there's been quite a shift inthe polls. Carolyn Parrish has dropped
quite a bit, and others have, particularly Demrila and Alvin Toyjo have come
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up, Ted Joe have come uppardon me, Alban. But I mean
the issues haven't changed a whole lot, and that's maybe worrisome. Continually talking
about housing, housing, transportation andnot enough. I don't think about the
nature of housing they're talking about.We're more or less using provincial talking points,
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provincial government talking points about the needfor more housing, whatever that means.
But the real problem is affordability asmuch as it is housing, and
just simply building more houses and moreunits does not seem to be impacting the
market. And I have not seenmuch discussion out in the open about affordability
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and non market options, although Ihave spoken to a number of candidates privately
who've talked about the need for nonmarket options such as used to be the
case in this country up to nineteenninety one. So for me, the
big issues haven't changed. What's therelationship to the province. We had a
cabinet shuffle today in the province.But I mean one of the things that
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GTA municipalities face is how much independencedo they have to govern, how much
of a mandate do they have anyon anything around development in the face of
the provincial government, And what istheir relationship to Peel more broadly and how
development happens there? And buying thatall together, because they're all related,
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is how do we integrate an effectivepublic transportation system in the middle of this?
And I think those issues of otherlevels of government are sitting over the
campaign like a ghost, as maybeHazel mckellian is, and they're not being
talked about out in the open bythe candidates, but again in more private
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conversations they do acknowledge this is areal problem. Nicole, what do you
think what stood out to you sofar? It's been a number of months
that all these candidates have been canpainting what stood out to well, it's
been very interesting to watch. Ithink one of the things that everyone sort
of so to speak, cheered aboutin the first weekend of advanced polling was
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the fact that pulling advanced polling resultsin the turnout when it comes to that
had increased a bit. And thenwhen it came to the second weekend,
when we add up the two weekendstogether, the actual total individuals, you
know, voters going out to thevote in that advanced polling has actually decreased
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compared to the last election. Sothe fact that it's such a competitive race
and it's so important, and we'vealso had so many debates, so many
debates, how I'm really curious tosee what the turnout is on June tenth,
and that is one of the thingsthat I'm really concerned about. And
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we can talk about accessibility and voterturnout and all the different things that get
people to the polls, but I'mreally watching for June tenth. I'm one
of those voters that have actually I'mkind of going between two candidates right now,
and I even personally trying to makea decision, and I'll be voting
on the tenth, but I'm alittle bit concerned seeing the advanced pools pool
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numbers over. I've talked to seven, I've interviewed. I've talked to more
candidates than that, but I've interviewedseven candidates at length, and I've made
up my mind. But I hadthe opportunity to talk to them at length,
and the voters, for the mostpart, don't do it. I
think this is an election for avery few people who follow this sort of
thing. There is no We've talkedabout this before, and it's good to
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have Newer here visiting us from thecity of Toronto, but the fact is
there's no media here. We dependon CBC and the Global Mail and CP
twenty four and the Star to throwus a bone every now and then,
and I think they've all been prettygood through this election, but it's not
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the full on coverage you would expectfrom a local newspaper or a local radio
station. This show in my showaccepted. I don't know if Brian Crombie
show counts in this case he's acandidate, but I think this is a
huge problem. And we talked aboutNewer talked about making that break and look
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at how the nature of Mississauga andhow we perceive ourselves is changing. We
are still a city of neighborhoods.Unless we have something that ties us together,
and we do not have the coverageto do. We do not know
about each other in the way acity like this should. City of Toronto
has lots of media print, localmedia, large, large newspapers, radio,
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all kinds of it, as wellas online and television. Mississauga,
the sixth largest city in Canada.Peel, the third largest municipality in Canada,
has nothing relatively one single English languageradio station. Uh that's that's based
in Mississauga, and it has nonews department. It just has us And
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overall, I'm not criticizing the stationdirectly for that, but we have an
environment that is not is not tenableon the long in the long run to
maintain a healthy community in a healthydemocracy. And I completely agree with you,
Bill, And this is why Ryanand I did this show. This
is exactly why we actually decided todo this show. This is really interesting.
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Actually, you bring up a reallyinteresting point. I have a theory
that if this race did not getthe media coverage that it was getting,
and I mean the CP twenty fourdebates, the Star articles, the the
you know, even there was aCBC debate debate, yeah, all these
yeah, all these opportunities. Ifthese things didn't happen, I don't think
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we would have seen the shifts inthe polls and the changing in voter intention
that we're seeing. What do youguys think? Nor what do you think?
I mean? I think the challengewith municipal politics, and as someone
who's covered you know, many electionsnow, is that it's very difficult to
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for the average person to look atwhat's happening at an election time and really
understand, you know, the broaderpicture. Because so many people have asked
me like, well, I seewhat you know, Carolin Parrish is saying
now, or Alvin Tegio saying now, or you know, Steve Dasco is
saying now, But what has therecord been, like how have they voted
on this issue in the past?How have they voted on housing? Have
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they voted on transit? Have theyvoted on biplines? And so I think
that's the challenge, right, likewe don't have a local media covering these
votes, the day to day votes, right, and so when it's election
time, candidates can say anything theywant, right and we know that,
like governments make big promises and youknow, during election time, and we
know how that usually works out,which is that doesn't work out. So
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I think it's it is you know, it's an interesting point. That's not
just a Mississauga issue. It's abroader issue, definitely outside of the Toronto
area, and I think it makesmunicipal elections very very difficult for people to
engage in for people to understand whothey're voting for. I have to say,
though, as someone as an outsider, outsider who came in to cover
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Mississauga, I have been really,actually, really impressed by the level of
engagement. You know, we oftenlook at people in Toronto and say,
Wow, they're so engaged and what'shappening in their city and each bike lane
and each you know, subway stop, and but you know, like compared
to other parts of the GTA,I have to say, when I was
calling around and trying to talk topeople about different issues, like people really
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care about the issues, People reallycare about their communities, people really want
to see Mississauga get better. AndI was for my first feature, I
talked to people over a range ofages and you know, ethnic backgrounds and
demographics. And I was really impressedby the level of engagement. I remember
there was an event that the Cityof miss Laga did with a planner from
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Vancouver and they sold out. Theyhad eight hundred people register for this event.
I mean that does not happen inlike AJAX No Offense AJAX, right,
But it doesn't happen in other places. It's not happening where I live
in York Region. So that levelof engagement is something that I hope stays
in Mississaga. And I think,you know, it might not maybe reflect
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be reflected in the election numbers onMonday, but I do think it's still
means something and I think it's it'sreally positive. And Nicole, what you've
got something to say? But Ijust say, question, what do you
think of the media coverage the stracehas gotten particularly, but also how do
you think that it's going to impactvoter turnout? Look twenty twenty two,
I ran for city council. Voterturnout was what twenty one percent. I
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was devastated. I was, youknow, miserable for months on end,
and you know, is this goingto be different? Well? I sure
hope so that's what I'll start offby saying. But when I drive down
my street, for example, therewas there's not one sign right now for
any mayoral candidate. The adjacent streetto where I live, there's one sign
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from what I've seen so far.So that is a little alarming to me
because typically during the regular, soto speak, election cycle, there are
certainly more signs, and are signsan indicator of engagement. I don't know.
You can make your own decision whenit comes to that. Bill is
shaking his head for the listeners.But I think in terms of you know,
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I wrote an op ed in theToronto Star that was published around active
citizenship and the need to vote inthe June tenth election, and I think
we need to I hear you Neweringin terms of that there is a spark
and miss of saga where there areresidents engaged, and I totally agree with
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you on that. It's really niceto see that. But I think we
need to push the envelope for furtherand get more individuals engaged. And I
think that we really see people showup at City Council, for example,
when a building is going up intheir neighborhood and they have something to say
about it, or if they disagreewholeheartedly on an issue and feel very passionately
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about it. And I think residentsreally need to be reminded and this is
not a new concept that municipal politicsaffects your every single day life, and
provincial and federal have their place andare important as well, But we really
need to remind Canadians and you know, Misszaga residents and beyond of that concept.
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So I hope that's top of mindvery much. So we're going to
take a quick break before we go. Bill, did you want to respond
to that or is that a Imean, I largely agree. I had
the experience I had in twenty twentytwo as a school board candidates, I
knocked on thousands of doors as anonpartisan, and I had I was very
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pleasantly surprised by the thoughtfulness of thepeople I spoke to and how willing people
were to talk for the most part, and enjoyed that part of the campaign
thoroughly. It didn't lead to a, you know, overall in the city,
a great turnout, but it showedthat the interest was there. We
just need to give people more opportunitiesto find information that's relevant to their neighborhoods
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and to the city. That givesthem a sense of the broader city.
And I have more opportunities to speakthe city Hall, which is which is
difficult. One of the differences inMississauga compared to members of counselors in Toronto.
Toronto councilors have community offices. There'snone here in Mississauga. And the
wards are very, very big.Okay, I just want to weigh that,
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NICOLEA. You're talking about War three. You said, I'm in Ward
five, and I've been seeing tonsof scigns because we have on top of
the mayoral race, we got counselorthat we're all selecting, and there's signs
everywhere. There's a lot of andI think for the advanced polling we've increased
and Ward five lowest out of allthe wards to vote like in advanced polls
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and regular e day, but Ithink they've increased by forty two percent.
So it's something's happening in Ward five, I think. So I think some
people are excited about that. I'mgoing to explain the excitement. We're going
to talk a bit more about thatafter the break, So stay tuned.
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Stream is live on SAGA nine sixtyam dot C. You're listening to Beyond
the Ballot with Ryan Gurcharn and NokaDuck Rube and welcome back to Beyond the
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Ballot. I'm here with Noka myco host, and we have an incredible
panel breaking down this entire campaign thatwe've seen here in Mississauga for the new
mayor of Mississauga. We have Nicole, Nora and Bill and Bill earlier just
before we took a break, Ibelieve you were talking about not enough media
coverage and because we don't have likeour own television station here in uh,
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you know, in Rogers Aid,Brampton and in Mississauga. But c rt
C RTC reinterpreted their responsibilities as theydid and because of that, a lot
of folks I think, like Nicolehas been saying that, uh, it
doesn't really look like there's an electionhappening. I am curious and I think
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I'll start off with Nora with this. You've mentioned debates, uh happened?
Do you think that the debates becausethere's a lack of having our own,
you know, media outlets here.Aside from, of course, this wonderful
station. There were other debates though, I think a lot of debates.
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Every association in Mississauga hosted a debate, every CBC had one mentioned. Do
you think the debates will impact anythingat all? I mean, it's a
good question. I think one ofthe challenges, obviously was that one of
the main candidates, Carolyn Parrish,wasn't participating in any debates, right,
So I don't think the debates reallylike I think you definitely got to hear
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what the other few candidates positions were, but I don't think that kind of
real face off that you would expectamong you know, some of the front
runners took place because Carolyn Parish didn'tparticipate, so I think they probably were
informative for the people who showed up, but I don't know if they would
actually really impact I think that,you know, the outcome of the election.
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I do think, you know,obviously, the decision for Carolyn Parish
to not participate any debate in itselfprobably has had many people change their minds
or at least think twice about whetherthey want a candidate like that. I
know that's not like an unusual positionA lot of front runners and you know,
other provincial party members and others oftendo that well, they don't participate
in debates. Is not a newthing, unfortunately. But I do think
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that people who are looking for transparencyand openness and they can't that it might
be turned off by the fact thatshe can participate. So I think that
might you know, affect someone's decisionmore than maybe what was actually discussed at
the debate. I think some ofthe bigger issues around housing, like if
you're a person who's really interested inhousing and more, you know, more
housing, then probably you would beattracted to that candidate who is pushing for
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more housing, right if you're lookingyou know, I think depending on what
you're looking for. Obviously, youknow, dipicate de Merla went with a
kind of, you know, veryinteresting position on bike lanes, and that
kind of became I think, butsomething if you're if you even following even
a high level, you'll remember,okay, well, she's a candidates the
one of bike lanes on any majorarterial street to replace carlanes. So I
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think they've kind of, uh,the way I see it is that they
kind of have all taken on acertain position policy wise, and I think
if anyone is following it at all, it might be those little snippets that
will stay with them when they goto vote. Bill I'm curious this strategy
didn't more mentioned the front runner notparticipating, not rocking the vote? Does
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that work in local politics? Whatdo you think of the strategy? Well,
now, it's correct. It certainlyhas been used in recent years by
certain candidates. I think that leanthat strategy leans a tad more to the
Conservative Party overall than it does someof the others, but and not universally.
To be fair, I think thereare a couple of problems here.
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They had a Carron Parrish's people lookedat her having a big lead, she
said something terribly unfortunate, and theirdecision was to withdraw from candidates, probably
withdraw from debates. And the problemis that the way it was explained to
the public didn't help. The debateswere one of the few environments where outside
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media had a chance to focus onthe city in a meaningful way. So
yeah, the people in the roommay not have been impacted, but it
was an operating for CBCC P twentyfour in other units to have something to
talk about and that there were someinteresting issues that came up, and the
fact that Carolyn made that decision anddidn't necessarily sell it well has done her
profound harm. And I don't I'mno, you know, I don't have
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to be any great pundit to orhave particular insight to see that she dropped
like a stone in the polls,and not for no reason. Now it
may turn out that that that itworks. At the end of the day,
I still think she's got money behindher and influences in her. She's
easily the most visible of the candidatein terms of advertising and presence. But
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it's it's it's being spoken at you, it's static, it's her picture,
it's her name, and she's nothaving a conversation with anybody. Now.
I don't care who the candidate is, at what level of government. I
find that in a democracy offensive,that having a conversation with your voters is
what it's all about. And I'mtroubled by any environment where politicians feel it's
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okay to talk at people but notwith people. And it's one of the
great weaknesses in our in our currentenvironment, that this seems to be okay.
Now, I don't and I kindof like Carolyn as a as a
person. Over the years I've knownCarolyn, I think she's fine. But
her campaign and whoever advised her Ithink dropped the ball on this one fairly
significantly. But she may still prevail. I don't. I don't disagree with
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that. I think you know,they've they've made some interesting choices, and
perhaps, you know, some ofthese choices were made with specific assumptions about
how this choice would play out,and perhaps things changed drastically and those assumptions
didn't didn't I didn't turn out tobe the case, Nicole, What do
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you think of you know, someof the comments that you know Carolyn has
made. I mean, she's onlymade a couple at one particular debate and
then stopped going to debates. Doyou think that has that has had an
impact on the way she's perceived oreven you know, the the the changes
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that we're seeing in the polls,or do you think the changes in the
polls are just more likely that youknow, what, she started off as
being the front runner because that's thebiggest name that everybody knew, and just
over time, with media coverage,with the campaign unfolding, people got to
know other people, and they're kindof like, well, you know,
I like that guy better, ormight like this person, or you know,
I want to give this person achance. What do you think,
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Nicole? Talk about an easy questionyou just gave me there. I don't
think we'll really ever know the impactand answer when it comes to that.
What I will say is when II'm pretty politically sort of in tune,
if you want to say, Ioften listen to general counsel. I can't
say many of my friends and familydo that, but that's okay. They
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they're active citizens in different ways.But I think a lot of the conversations
that I've had people are just pointblank asking me, Nicole, who do
I vote for? Because there areso many candidates out there, they have
been having a bit of a hardtime differentiating between them, So, you
know, noka to answer your question. I don't know at the end of
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the day if those comments impacted theelection or the candidates who chose to attend
the debate, But I will saythat listening to a lot of the debates
has sort of helped me understand whoelse is on the you know, what
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are the other ideas that are outthere? And I think though, at
the end of the day, alot of residents are still just not sure
who to vote for because there's justso many candidates on that piece of paper
we're going to get on June tenth, if you haven't voted already. Just
through a little small thing about thedebates. Carolyn may have decided not to
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attend debates, but a number ofthe organizers of these debates were certainly interesting
in the way they calculated who wouldbe invited to the debate or not.
I think of the housing debate inparticular at UFT, where three candidates only
where invited, one of them wasn'teven an incumbent counselor, and then Carolyn
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didn't show, so you had aroom full of people and a whole lot
of media talking to two people.It was Dipica in Alvin, but that
wasn't the only one. And Iunderstand it's difficult with twenty candidates, but
I think the calculus in some ofthese meetings about who would come and who
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wasn't was surprising. I guess isthe nicest thing I could say about it.
There's also a lot of them.I felt bad for the candidates,
Like if you're trying a campaign,and you know, you don't have a
whole lot of time. I've beenthere, and everybody wants you to go
to a debate every day or sometimesdo three debates every day. When are
you going to really talk to voters? Right? So, you know,
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I love debates, we all lovedebates, but you know you can't have
them every day. You can't youcan't make them debate every day, nor
what democracy like. There's actually aI noticed like there is a notable difference
between you know, the social mediaof Carolyn Parrish and you know Alvin Tedjoe
and and I was just I wrotea feature of running this weekend, so
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I'm not going to give away allof it. But one of the things
that I did write about in ita setup for the election, is that,
you know, you see that whenCarolyn Parish made the decision not to
like engage in the policy discussions,she kind of took on a tactic which
a lot of GGA mayors do,which I don't know if the right term
is identity politics. But when yougo through her you know, Twitter or
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ex account, you can see thatyou know, she's going to this church
or this mosque or this community group. And you know she's not the only
one that does this. I mean, Patrick Brownton is you know, notorious
for this, Mark Frank Scriptitian Markhamis also quite well known to do this
because your communities are so diverse,right, and so you can you see
that in her in her Twitter accountthat she know she is really engaged.
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And she said this to me too, that that you know, I've been
going to five events a day.I'm meeting people you know where they are,
I'm going to their homes, I'mgoing to their you know, community
groups and community spaces, and soit is also a strategy, right.
So it's interesting, right because whenI expert that I spoke to, which
will I guess I give you acheaser for the story, is that you
know she's she's created it's a frontrunner tactic in a way to kind of
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engage in these safe, controlled spaceswhere you're not really challenged, you're not
really questioned, and you know thatyou know at least five people there are
supporters, right, no one's goingto heckle you or call you out,
and so you know, it isa tactic that I guess that she's decided
was something she wanted to use insteadof actually engaging in the policy discussions,
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which I think people like yourself,Nicole and others, I think we're kind
of hoping for. Yeah, youbring up a great point about the social
media uh strategies of the different candidates, and they are very different. They're
very very different. I was watchingthat too, and you could see,
you know, Carolyn's style and Alvinstyle very very different. Dipica very confrontational,
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lots of attacks, you know,towards different candidates and uh and Asco
not not didn't put out very much, you know, because I had been
sharing stuff so that you try tokeep it interesting and I had a hard
time finding stuff to share for Dasco. But but yeah, it's so interesting.
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What do you guys think of theyou know, overall platform ideas,
Like what what has really stood out? You know? Nor you mentioned Dippica
is she's kind of in a waybeen branded the no bike planes on Bloor
candidate and that kind of took alife of its own for a little while.
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But what what really stood out toyou guys in terms of policy ideas
from each of the major candidates.And we'll start with with norm So definitely
I think for Dibica, you know, the bike lanes kind of, like
you said, took on a lifeof its own. And then she kind
of doubled down a couple of daysago and said, I'm not just talking
about blurr, I'm talking about anyarterial streets. So that would be I
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think an interesting Uh, that'll beinteresting to see how that goes if she's
elected mayor. I think Alvin hasbeen I think for what stood out to
me was both his like very aggressivehousing policy, which you know, he
also told me that it was kindof applauded by Jennifer keys Matt, who
was well known for her kind ofplanning experience in the city of Toronto.
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And I think also his big pusharound affordability and not raising taxes. I
think has stood out from his side. And I think I'll leave it there
because I can't. For Carolyn Parrish. I know that she whenever I've asked
her about her policy, she hasgiven me several different kind of positions and
platforms. Talked a lot about herexperience as well and her successes. But
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trying to think about what has reallystood out, and I think, you
know, like I think, ifyou look at her history. I guess
I look at her history in termsof her voting record. She has been
really progressive on housing compared to theother candidates. She has been a great
ally to a lot of communities thatare like kind of you know, concerned
about things happening in the Middle East. You know. She has been pretty
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open minded on the bike lanes,although she voted no on the bike on
the Blue Street one. She Idon't think she said that. When I
talked to her, She's like shewould not reopen it or use strong mirror
powers to do something like that.So I think those are all kind of
I would say, like pretty progressivepositions given the candidates. I think nor
did a great job sort of outliningeach of the candidates. So I'll take
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a bit of a different approach interms of responding. But I think it
is really clear that in this election, we're celebrating our fiftieth anniversary in Mississauga
this year, and I think thereis a bit of a collision that's happening
where there's this suburban idea or mindsetof what Mississauga has been and this newer
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outlook on the city and meeting theneeds in terms of densification and what does
that mean for those homes that areused to really big homes and big lots
and typically having cars in the drivewayor you know, you'd have to drive
everywhere for example. But the bikelane topic has really really brought up a
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conversation about where we are headed asa city, I think in terms of
building for the future. And Ithink Mississauga, if I sort of put
it in, we're sort of inour teen years in a way, even
though we are turning fifty, becausewe are having a you know, really
looking at our identity as a city. And we've always been known as this
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sleepy suburban community where you hop onthe Go train or drive downtown to go
to work, but then you comehome and you know you live in Mississauga.
So I think that is being flippedon its head a bit, and
I think it is hard perhaps forsome individuals that you know, change is
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hard. So I think this isan election that will bring change regardless whoever
is elected, and I think thatis sort of where the city is headed.
Well, I think I'm going tothrow in a little bit from Stephen
Dasco since I think he's been alittle underrepresented in their discussion here and again
I had a chance to sit downwith him for about half an hour and
have a more fullsome discussion. Hehad I think a better or a more
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fleshed out vision in that discussion ofwhat a downtown Mississauga would look like,
and that there's really no there thereat the moment. And it had to
do with with ability for people towalk with neighborhoods reflecting themselves, but all
these big buildings and more of astreet life at street level, more commercial
activity, more opportunities for people toengage, and I think I think that
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was a good vision. But helinked it very nicely to a fairly broad
vision of public transportation and what thatwould be, and I think that's that
was very important, and I again, to really get a deep dive on
some of these policies, you haveto spend more time with them. In
terms of the bike lane issue,I think it's I think it's been misrepresented
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to a certain degree. I don'tthink it's an argument between cars and bikes.
I think it is how do weadapt to a changing world where we're
moving away from cars but there's stilla lot of people driving cars to more
efficient other forms of transportation, andplaces like Vancouver, for instance, have
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faced this and they've started to movebike lanes off the main road simply to
secondary roads that run parallel and nearbyto avoid the traffic. And that's what
the debate has become elsewhere. Victoriais another place. I think BC's ahead
of a lot of this stuff.But I think that Nicole's point is a
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very good one too. Yes,we've been around for fifty years, but
we've been a city that essentially livedin a nineteen fifties dream for a long
time that it was all about thecar and all about neighborhoods. And now,
for a whole lot of reasons,we're being forced to change. And
because this vision wasn't there at thebeginning or for decades, as we filled
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in, it's going to be alot more disruptive and a lot more expensive,
but also a lot more necessary tochange the nature of our nature of
our neighborhoods. I'll well finally addthat again. In this broader conversation I
had with Dippica, she said verybluntly to me about housing, that the
federal government has to get into socialhousing like it was prior to nineteen ninety
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one and it had to be nonmarket housing to really have an impact on
the nature and affordability of housing inthe region. And I think that was
very, very important. Other thanthat, the other thing is that nobody
has been talking about their responsibility asPEEL members and what that means for wild
areas, for farmland and for developmentand for water quality and species at risk
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in the north of the region andthat real and that's a big part of
the relationship with the province that reallyhas been missing as part of the discussion.
Okay, And with that, Iwant to thank the panel that we've
rent out at a time like sofast and there's just so many more questions
I wanted to ask. But anyquestions you listeners still have, there's still
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this last weekend before Monday. Askthose candidates as they come to your door,
so when they come knocking, askthem these questions. I think Bill
had a great point there nothing abouttheir region Appeal responsibilities. So with that,
I want to thank you Nicole,thank you Nora, and thank you
Bill. We're going to take aquick break and when we come back,
Noka and I will wrap things upfor you. Just before we end off
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the Beyond the Ballot. This isthe end of the show. We'll stay
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Gurcharn and Nokah Duck Rube And welcomeback to the final segment of the final
show. Noka, this is it. We're done. Your mind's made up
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on who you're voting for. Mymind's made up. I already voted.
I voted in advance, fools,because I believe I believe in voting early.
I think it's important, you know, to take that opportunity. And
usually election days are on a weekday, which I tend to be a little
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bit busier. So I like togo on the weekend when good for you.
I like the hustle and bustle ofE day. I like to get
in there busy, list stressful.I thrive on stress. Oh okay,
well I'm not like that. Ijust like, okay, I'm gonna get
my I'm going to get some tea, I'm gonna go vote, and then
I'm going to get some groceries.That's basically what I did. Oh no,
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no, No, I'm gonna I'mgoing in there. I'm gonna,
you know, just see everybody goingto vote. Rush in there. I'm
going to It's just there's a rushfrom voting. I loved that being a
part of it, and waiting forthe last minute to vote so important.
Then the conversations you hear, Sowhat do you think? One last question
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for you before we wrap it up? What do you think of Bondy?
Probably not endorsing what she's saying.Well, I know you said that earlier
today, but I do want tosay she did endorse the counselor candidate she
did in Ward five. She did. She stayed out of the mayor race,
but she definitely dipped her toes intothe Ward five seat where she used
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to hold. Yeah, and CarolynHolds and Carolyn held And I do want
to say that she endorsed, Uh, somebody who organizes her to Liberal Party,
so it's in her best interest asleader of the Liberal Party to endorsement.
I don't know. If I wereadvising her, I would have told
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too, and not nothing against Natalie. I think I think she's wonderful.
But if I were to just youknow, pull back and just think from
from a perspective of what's in thebest interest of the leader, I would
say it's probably not in the bestinterest of a leader to endorse a candidate
in a war election for many differentreasons. One, you kind of piss
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a lot of people off by doingthat, And if you are the leader
of a third party that doesn't havea lot of seats and you really need
to win every seat you could possiblywin, you probably don't want to be
going around pissing off people who youknow, have a lot of volunteers and
resources and they know a lot ofpeople in the community. So that's one.
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The other thing is I find itso interesting and I find it quite
brave that she would do that becauseyou know, maybe Natalie is really ahead
and polling, because what if sheloses in the endorsement, doesn't Carrie,
What do you think the PCs willdo with that? I don't know.
That's very but the first to yourfirst point, I don't because she was
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a well liked counselor. She neverI think her approval ratings like as a
counselor, people loved her in thecommunity. I don't think people would be
against like, if anything, thisreally puts if Natalie was the front runner
or was not, she's definitely goingto be now because I think that that
she's the Hazel voice in word five. Okay, right, yeah, more
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than Carolyn though, Yeah, Ithink so, because Bonnie held office hours
in Malton. Carolyn go over tothat and Bonnie was there a bit more
to my knowledge, like visibly right, and local policy is all about showing
up, like that's something Bonnie alwaystold me. It's all about showing up,
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showing up, showing up. Andshe was there. Not that Carolyn
didn't show up, she does,but like if you wanted to talk to
the council every Thursday at four o'clock, you knew that you could go there
right in the community center. Soshe has she's done a great job and
all the positions. She's healthy forsure. Yeah, And I think people
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were supporting her bid for mayor,so it was like it's like part of
our communities now, part of themirror. So that's how they were seeing
it, I think. So.I don't think it was bad blood.
I think what more happened across Mississauga. A lot of people were disappointed she
left the mayor to run for theLiberal party leader and that's where maybe,
but that's across Mississauga, not somuch just word five. But with that
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I'm really excited about And you're right, she nobody endorsed a mayor mayor old
candidate, and I'm really excited tosee how that trends. Like I am
so excited, Mississaugans are making uptheir own minds well, and we'll find
out more so. If you wantto hear the results live, tune in
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Beyond the Ballot with Ryan Gurcharn andNoka duck Ru and welcome to the final
time. I will say that toBeyond the Ballot, this is the last
show just before elect live election theycoverage. Noka and I will have hopefully
(00:48):
summarized everything for you know what youneed and if you don't, we have
a great panel standing by to helpsummarize this entire election for you, so
you know who you're voting for onMonday, have not voted already, Noka,
last show, How are you feeling. I'm sad, Ryan, I'm
going to miss us okay so much. No, especially No, I'm going
(01:12):
to miss Beyond the Ballot. I'mgoing to miss you know, our banter.
I'm going to miss you know,the conversations and the rich discussions we've
had. We interviewed all the topfive candidates, so cool we did.
We had really good conversations and wetalked about the future of our city and
like so many cool stuff. Andnow now we are leaving it up to
(01:34):
the voters. They are going tovote. Yeah, they have to tenth.
Okay, let's do a final summary. What happened this week in the
world of the mayoral election. Well, there's there's lots going on. There's
there's there's I don't think that thereweren't any more debates this week, not
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that I know of. There werefew. There was some. I saw
dippic Up put something out on youknow, Alvin and his his tax freeze
and how that's going to you know, essentially raid the reserves of the city
and how you know that that wouldbe a terrible thing. That's interesting tactic
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because she was usually attacking Carolyn,You attack the front runner. Well,
isn't that interesting? What's happening?Why do you switch the channel? What's
going on? Well, the reasonis because of the polling. The polling
is changing. What polling did yousee was the last when you saw so
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I saw something you know, byMain Street that had them all within the
margin of error, and they wereall, you know, a couple of
points behind Carolyn. So it lookslike it might be anybody's race. Sorry,
(03:01):
you're going to have to repeat that. They're all within the margin of
ara of era of Carolyn, butthey're all a couple of points behind Carolyn.
Carolyn's lost her lead quite quite abit, so Alvin's still third,
But but they're all very close.They're all very very close among decided voters.
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Does that include Steve Vasco? Dascois a little bit behind, but
not that behind either, No,because I thought I thought for sure his
voter share would increase because he's gota lot of seniors in the Port Credit
area. Well, you know what, the polls are saying different things.
I've seen polls that are saying differentthings. So we don't really know,
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honestly, all that this is theonly thing that has been consistent is that
Carolyn has maintained a lead. Right, whether she wins by you know,
forty of the vote, or whethershe wins by you know, two percent
of the vote, A wins awin, right, or whether she wins
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at all. Whether someone manages tobreak through, we don't know. I
think we might have an exciting interestingnight on Monday. I'm not ready to
make a prediction of who I thinkis going to win. I might make
it on Monday night, but I'mnot really sure if I'm going to do
that just yet. But we'll see. I'm ready to go. You're ready
(04:36):
to predict Hazel, Hazel wins.It takes it, Sam, I have
her names of her name appears onthe ballot and just happens people write it
in they do. Oh my god, can you imagine with that? Let's
get to the panel. So let'stake a quick break. When we come
back, the panel will be hereand let's break down, summarize, analyze,
(05:00):
and you know, get ready forthis election. So stay tuned right
here on news STOCKSAGA. I'm sixtyam stream us live at SAGA nine sixty
am dot C. You're listening toBeyond the Ballot with Ryan Gurcharn and Noka
(05:27):
Duck rub And welcome back to thebest panel ever to wrap things up on
this Merril campaign or election that we'regoing through right now. You see signs
(05:50):
everywhere, You're hearing rumors of Idon't know, some fun election stuff happening.
And here to help me introduce ourpanel is my co host's usual Nokah
that crew. Hello Ryan and helloeveryone. I am so glad to have
you all here, I'm actually goingto do something a little bit different.
(06:11):
I'm, you know, going toslightly introduce you, but I'm actually going
to allow you to introduce yourselves alittle bit more. We have Bill McBain
and Nour Jerved from the Toronto Star, as well as Nicole de Nasty.
Do you guys want to just saya couple of you know things about yourselves
to our listeners so they get toknow you a little bit more. And
maybe you know your favorite flavor ofice cream so that they feel like they
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know you or something like that greentea ice cream. Oh, very good,
very good, love green tea icecream. And that was Bill McBain.
He's a professor shared in college andsorry missed that Seneca College. Seneca,
I said the other s word isBill McBain. He is a professor
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at Seneca College. And he hasdone any campaigns across Ontario and he's also
worked at Canada. I forgot you'rebigger than just a province. Bill,
Yes, I'm seeing I'm hoping it. Zepic will help with that, but
anyway, and he's also done You'vebeen a staffer at Queen's Park so many
(07:19):
moons ago. Yes, oh Ottawa, look at that. I'm always learning
new things about you. Bill,that's what you said last time. I'm
just feeling back and what you wroteabout me last time. So there you
go, and Nicole tell us alittle bit about yourself. Yes, hello,
Hello, I'm very happy to beon this panel, loving the energy,
(07:43):
especially for the grand finale of theseries. So really excited to be
here. I'm going to hold aneasy and I live in word three.
I've lived in Mississauga my entire life. Born in Mississauga, went to elementary
high schoo Well in university, Iwent to UFT Mississauga, all in Mississauga,
(08:05):
and I've been really tapped in interms of who is running for the
election and really looking forward to seewhere the city goes. We're dealing with
a lot of really big challenges andI know we'll get into that. And
I first met you, Nicole along time ago when you started Mississauga Gives,
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which is a charity that encourages givingtwo other charities. Yes, I'm
pretty involved in the in the charitablesector. So and I didn't answer my
question when it came to ice cream, but probably oreo all the way awesome
and last, but definitely not leaseis more. You've worked with the Toronto
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Star. I've read your stuff manytimes. We've talked about how horribly articles
right now I'm joking a centerpiece.I especially appreciate the coverage you've been doing,
Appel. We haven't been getting enoughcoverage. Anybody in people will tell
you that. But could you tellus a little bit about yourself? Sure?
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Hi, thanks for having me.My name is Newer. I'm a
journalist. I work at the TorontoStar. I've been there almost twenty years,
which is crazy hard for me tobelieve. I cover municipal politics for
the suburbs, so not only Mississauga, but really anywhere, whether it's a
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scandal or an election. And andyeah, so for the last few weeks
months, I've been covering the Mississaugaelection. Not probably as closely as I'm
sure you guys would want, butfor for you know, a size city
the size of the Guta, Iguess pretty closely trying to touch upon at
least the major issues that have comeup. So yeah, it's been I
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think it'll be an interesting election dayon Monday, so yeah, for sure.
So I actually, you know,realized this yesterday this is the first
election where no one is selling well, first mayoral election where no one's telling
us who to vote for. It'susually Hazel will endorse someone and everybody will
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just vote for whoever Hazel endorses,or not everybody, but a lot of
people would. But it's so interestingbecause Bonnie decided not to endorse, and
now you know, we've got thislandscape of candidates who you know, many
of them. Apparently it's going tobe a close one, so we'll see.
According to some recent polling that I'veseen. Nor you've been covering this
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for a while, what stood outto you so far? Yeah, So
I think what you've said is actuallyone of the most interesting things about this
election is that it's kind of aIt's the first election where there's not an
incumbent and the first election where there'sactually a real race, I think in
at least five decades in Mississauga.So I mean that alone makes it unique.
You know, because as we know, his own mccallian was here for
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a long time and then Bonde Crombiekind of followed in her footsteps. So
I think that alone makes it interesting. Also, the candidates are all they're
all like all them. There's twentyof them obviously, but there's four or
five of them which are who arewell known in the community, who are
currently on council. So the factthat there, you know, it's actually
a competitive race makes it really interestingas well. And then you know,
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I've read quite a bit about howMississauga is at this like really interesting juncture
where it's you know, always beenthis suburb of Toronto, but now it's
really kind of become a city andit's really struggling with its identity. Is
if it's a suburb, if it'sa city, and all of the infrastructure
issues and challenges that come with that. And so I think and the first
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article that I wrote about the electionkind of you know, tried to cover
this off that this is this couldbe one of the most important elections for
Mississaga in a long time, becauseit will kind of whoever is elected now
and then you know, the nextelection, it was only two years away,
will really shape I think Mississauga's rolenot only in Ontario but across the
country. And I think that's whythis election, I think is probably one
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of the most important ones for youknow, the last few years at least.
Yeah, absolutely I completely agree withyou on that, Bill. What
are your thoughts so far on therace? We had you on our first
episode. Bill helped us, youknow, start the show. You know,
you know, things have changed sincethen significantly. I think, I
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don't know, maybe they have theychanged? Have they not changed? I
have no idea, Bill, whatdo you think? Well, there are
more candidates who have a shot atthe at the at the at the ring.
Now there's been quite a shift inthe polls. Carolyn Parrish has dropped
quite a bit, and others have, particularly Demrila and Alvin Toyjo have come
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up, Ted Joe have come uppardon me, Alban. But I mean
the issues haven't changed a whole lot, and that's maybe worrisome. Continually talking
about housing, housing, transportation andnot enough. I don't think about the
nature of housing they're talking about.We're more or less using provincial talking points,
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provincial government talking points about the needfor more housing, whatever that means.
But the real problem is affordability asmuch as it is housing, and
just simply building more houses and moreunits does not seem to be impacting the
market. And I have not seenmuch discussion out in the open about affordability
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and non market options, although Ihave spoken to a number of candidates privately
who've talked about the need for nonmarket options such as used to be the
case in this country up to nineteenninety one. So for me, the
big issues haven't changed. What's therelationship to the province. We had a
cabinet shuffle today in the province.But I mean one of the things that
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GTA municipalities face is how much independencedo they have to govern, how much
of a mandate do they have anyon anything around development in the face of
the provincial government, And what istheir relationship to Peel more broadly and how
development happens there? And buying thatall together, because they're all related,
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is how do we integrate an effectivepublic transportation system in the middle of this?
And I think those issues of otherlevels of government are sitting over the
campaign like a ghost, as maybeHazel mckellian is, and they're not being
talked about out in the open bythe candidates, but again in more private
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conversations they do acknowledge this is areal problem. Nicole, what do you
think what stood out to you sofar? It's been a number of months
that all these candidates have been canpainting what stood out to well, it's
been very interesting to watch. Ithink one of the things that everyone sort
of so to speak, cheered aboutin the first weekend of advanced polling was
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the fact that pulling advanced polling resultsin the turnout when it comes to that
had increased a bit. And thenwhen it came to the second weekend,
when we add up the two weekendstogether, the actual total individuals, you
know, voters going out to thevote in that advanced polling has actually decreased
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compared to the last election. Sothe fact that it's such a competitive race
and it's so important, and we'vealso had so many debates, so many
debates, how I'm really curious tosee what the turnout is on June tenth,
and that is one of the thingsthat I'm really concerned about. And
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we can talk about accessibility and voterturnout and all the different things that get
people to the polls, but I'mreally watching for June tenth. I'm one
of those voters that have actually I'mkind of going between two candidates right now,
and I even personally trying to makea decision, and I'll be voting
on the tenth, but I'm alittle bit concerned seeing the advanced pools pool
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numbers over. I've talked to seven, I've interviewed. I've talked to more
candidates than that, but I've interviewedseven candidates at length, and I've made
up my mind. But I hadthe opportunity to talk to them at length,
and the voters, for the mostpart, don't do it. I
think this is an election for avery few people who follow this sort of
thing. There is no We've talkedabout this before, and it's good to
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have Newer here visiting us from thecity of Toronto, but the fact is
there's no media here. We dependon CBC and the Global Mail and CP
twenty four and the Star to throwus a bone every now and then,
and I think they've all been prettygood through this election, but it's not
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the full on coverage you would expectfrom a local newspaper or a local radio
station. This show in my showaccepted. I don't know if Brian Crombie
show counts in this case he's acandidate, but I think this is a
huge problem. And we talked aboutNewer talked about making that break and look
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at how the nature of Mississauga andhow we perceive ourselves is changing. We
are still a city of neighborhoods.Unless we have something that ties us together,
and we do not have the coverageto do. We do not know
about each other in the way acity like this should. City of Toronto
has lots of media print, localmedia, large, large newspapers, radio,
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all kinds of it, as wellas online and television. Mississauga,
the sixth largest city in Canada.Peel, the third largest municipality in Canada,
has nothing relatively one single English languageradio station. Uh that's that's based
in Mississauga, and it has nonews department. It just has us And
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overall, I'm not criticizing the stationdirectly for that, but we have an
environment that is not is not tenableon the long in the long run to
maintain a healthy community in a healthydemocracy. And I completely agree with you,
Bill, And this is why Ryanand I did this show. This
is exactly why we actually decided todo this show. This is really interesting.
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Actually, you bring up a reallyinteresting point. I have a theory
that if this race did not getthe media coverage that it was getting,
and I mean the CP twenty fourdebates, the Star articles, the the
you know, even there was aCBC debate debate, yeah, all these
yeah, all these opportunities. Ifthese things didn't happen, I don't think
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we would have seen the shifts inthe polls and the changing in voter intention
that we're seeing. What do youguys think? Nor what do you think?
I mean? I think the challengewith municipal politics, and as someone
who's covered you know, many electionsnow, is that it's very difficult to
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for the average person to look atwhat's happening at an election time and really
understand, you know, the broaderpicture. Because so many people have asked
me like, well, I seewhat you know, Carolin Parrish is saying
now, or Alvin Tegio saying now, or you know, Steve Dasco is
saying now, But what has therecord been, like how have they voted
on this issue in the past?How have they voted on housing? Have
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they voted on transit? Have theyvoted on biplines? And so I think
that's the challenge, right, likewe don't have a local media covering these
votes, the day to day votes, right, and so when it's election
time, candidates can say anything theywant, right and we know that,
like governments make big promises and youknow, during election time, and we
know how that usually works out,which is that doesn't work out. So
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I think it's it is you know, it's an interesting point. That's not
just a Mississauga issue. It's abroader issue, definitely outside of the Toronto
area, and I think it makesmunicipal elections very very difficult for people to
engage in for people to understand whothey're voting for. I have to say,
though, as someone as an outsider, outsider who came in to cover
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Mississauga, I have been really,actually, really impressed by the level of
engagement. You know, we oftenlook at people in Toronto and say,
Wow, they're so engaged and what'shappening in their city and each bike lane
and each you know, subway stop, and but you know, like compared
to other parts of the GTA,I have to say, when I was
calling around and trying to talk topeople about different issues, like people really
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care about the issues, People reallycare about their communities, people really want
to see Mississauga get better. AndI was for my first feature, I
talked to people over a range ofages and you know, ethnic backgrounds and
demographics. And I was really impressedby the level of engagement. I remember
there was an event that the Cityof miss Laga did with a planner from
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Vancouver and they sold out. Theyhad eight hundred people register for this event.
I mean that does not happen inlike AJAX No Offense AJAX, right,
But it doesn't happen in other places. It's not happening where I live
in York Region. So that levelof engagement is something that I hope stays
in Mississaga. And I think,you know, it might not maybe reflect
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be reflected in the election numbers onMonday, but I do think it's still
means something and I think it's it'sreally positive. And Nicole, what you've
got something to say? But Ijust say, question, what do you
think of the media coverage the stracehas gotten particularly, but also how do
you think that it's going to impactvoter turnout? Look twenty twenty two,
I ran for city council. Voterturnout was what twenty one percent. I
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was devastated. I was, youknow, miserable for months on end,
and you know, is this goingto be different? Well? I sure
hope so that's what I'll start offby saying. But when I drive down
my street, for example, therewas there's not one sign right now for
any mayoral candidate. The adjacent streetto where I live, there's one sign
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from what I've seen so far.So that is a little alarming to me
because typically during the regular, soto speak, election cycle, there are
certainly more signs, and are signsan indicator of engagement. I don't know.
You can make your own decision whenit comes to that. Bill is
shaking his head for the listeners.But I think in terms of you know,
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I wrote an op ed in theToronto Star that was published around active
citizenship and the need to vote inthe June tenth election, and I think
we need to I hear you Neweringin terms of that there is a spark
and miss of saga where there areresidents engaged, and I totally agree with
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you on that. It's really niceto see that. But I think we
need to push the envelope for furtherand get more individuals engaged. And I
think that we really see people showup at City Council, for example,
when a building is going up intheir neighborhood and they have something to say
about it, or if they disagreewholeheartedly on an issue and feel very passionately
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about it. And I think residentsreally need to be reminded and this is
not a new concept that municipal politicsaffects your every single day life, and
provincial and federal have their place andare important as well, But we really
need to remind Canadians and you know, Misszaga residents and beyond of that concept.
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So I hope that's top of mindvery much. So we're going to
take a quick break before we go. Bill, did you want to respond
to that or is that a Imean, I largely agree. I had
the experience I had in twenty twentytwo as a school board candidates, I
knocked on thousands of doors as anonpartisan, and I had I was very
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pleasantly surprised by the thoughtfulness of thepeople I spoke to and how willing people
were to talk for the most part, and enjoyed that part of the campaign
thoroughly. It didn't lead to a, you know, overall in the city,
a great turnout, but it showedthat the interest was there. We
just need to give people more opportunitiesto find information that's relevant to their neighborhoods
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and to the city. That givesthem a sense of the broader city.
And I have more opportunities to speakthe city Hall, which is which is
difficult. One of the differences inMississauga compared to members of counselors in Toronto.
Toronto councilors have community offices. There'snone here in Mississauga. And the
wards are very, very big.Okay, I just want to weigh that,
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NICOLEA. You're talking about War three. You said, I'm in Ward
five, and I've been seeing tonsof scigns because we have on top of
the mayoral race, we got counselorthat we're all selecting, and there's signs
everywhere. There's a lot of andI think for the advanced polling we've increased
and Ward five lowest out of allthe wards to vote like in advanced polls
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and regular e day, but Ithink they've increased by forty two percent.
So it's something's happening in Ward five, I think. So I think some
people are excited about that. I'mgoing to explain the excitement. We're going
to talk a bit more about thatafter the break, So stay tuned.
Right here on u Stoksaga nine sixtyAm, No Radio, No Problem.
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Stream is live on SAGA nine sixtyam dot C. You're listening to Beyond
the Ballot with Ryan Gurcharn and NokaDuck Rube and welcome back to Beyond the
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Ballot. I'm here with Noka myco host, and we have an incredible
panel breaking down this entire campaign thatwe've seen here in Mississauga for the new
mayor of Mississauga. We have Nicole, Nora and Bill and Bill earlier just
before we took a break, Ibelieve you were talking about not enough media
coverage and because we don't have likeour own television station here in uh,
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you know, in Rogers Aid,Brampton and in Mississauga. But c rt
C RTC reinterpreted their responsibilities as theydid and because of that, a lot
of folks I think, like Nicolehas been saying that, uh, it
doesn't really look like there's an electionhappening. I am curious and I think
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I'll start off with Nora with this. You've mentioned debates, uh happened?
Do you think that the debates becausethere's a lack of having our own,
you know, media outlets here.Aside from, of course, this wonderful
station. There were other debates though, I think a lot of debates.
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Every association in Mississauga hosted a debate, every CBC had one mentioned. Do
you think the debates will impact anythingat all? I mean, it's a
good question. I think one ofthe challenges, obviously was that one of
the main candidates, Carolyn Parrish,wasn't participating in any debates, right,
So I don't think the debates reallylike I think you definitely got to hear
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what the other few candidates positions were, but I don't think that kind of
real face off that you would expectamong you know, some of the front
runners took place because Carolyn Parish didn'tparticipate, so I think they probably were
informative for the people who showed up, but I don't know if they would
actually really impact I think that,you know, the outcome of the election.
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I do think, you know,obviously, the decision for Carolyn Parish
to not participate any debate in itselfprobably has had many people change their minds
or at least think twice about whetherthey want a candidate like that. I
know that's not like an unusual positionA lot of front runners and you know,
other provincial party members and others oftendo that well, they don't participate
in debates. Is not a newthing, unfortunately. But I do think
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that people who are looking for transparencyand openness and they can't that it might
be turned off by the fact thatshe can participate. So I think that
might you know, affect someone's decisionmore than maybe what was actually discussed at
the debate. I think some ofthe bigger issues around housing, like if
you're a person who's really interested inhousing and more, you know, more
housing, then probably you would beattracted to that candidate who is pushing for
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more housing, right if you're lookingyou know, I think depending on what
you're looking for. Obviously, youknow, dipicate de Merla went with a
kind of, you know, veryinteresting position on bike lanes, and that
kind of became I think, butsomething if you're if you even following even
a high level, you'll remember,okay, well, she's a candidates the
one of bike lanes on any majorarterial street to replace carlanes. So I
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think they've kind of, uh,the way I see it is that they
kind of have all taken on acertain position policy wise, and I think
if anyone is following it at all, it might be those little snippets that
will stay with them when they goto vote. Bill I'm curious this strategy
didn't more mentioned the front runner notparticipating, not rocking the vote? Does
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that work in local politics? Whatdo you think of the strategy? Well,
now, it's correct. It certainlyhas been used in recent years by
certain candidates. I think that leanthat strategy leans a tad more to the
Conservative Party overall than it does someof the others, but and not universally.
To be fair, I think thereare a couple of problems here.
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They had a Carron Parrish's people lookedat her having a big lead, she
said something terribly unfortunate, and theirdecision was to withdraw from candidates, probably
withdraw from debates. And the problemis that the way it was explained to
the public didn't help. The debateswere one of the few environments where outside
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media had a chance to focus onthe city in a meaningful way. So
yeah, the people in the roommay not have been impacted, but it
was an operating for CBCC P twentyfour in other units to have something to
talk about and that there were someinteresting issues that came up, and the
fact that Carolyn made that decision anddidn't necessarily sell it well has done her
profound harm. And I don't I'mno, you know, I don't have
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to be any great pundit to orhave particular insight to see that she dropped
like a stone in the polls,and not for no reason. Now it
may turn out that that that itworks. At the end of the day,
I still think she's got money behindher and influences in her. She's
easily the most visible of the candidatein terms of advertising and presence. But
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it's it's it's being spoken at you, it's static, it's her picture,
it's her name, and she's nothaving a conversation with anybody. Now.
I don't care who the candidate is, at what level of government. I
find that in a democracy offensive,that having a conversation with your voters is
what it's all about. And I'mtroubled by any environment where politicians feel it's
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okay to talk at people but notwith people. And it's one of the
great weaknesses in our in our currentenvironment, that this seems to be okay.
Now, I don't and I kindof like Carolyn as a as a
person. Over the years I've knownCarolyn, I think she's fine. But
her campaign and whoever advised her Ithink dropped the ball on this one fairly
significantly. But she may still prevail. I don't. I don't disagree with
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that. I think you know,they've they've made some interesting choices, and
perhaps, you know, some ofthese choices were made with specific assumptions about
how this choice would play out,and perhaps things changed drastically and those assumptions
didn't didn't I didn't turn out tobe the case, Nicole, What do
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you think of you know, someof the comments that you know Carolyn has
made. I mean, she's onlymade a couple at one particular debate and
then stopped going to debates. Doyou think that has that has had an
impact on the way she's perceived oreven you know, the the the changes
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that we're seeing in the polls,or do you think the changes in the
polls are just more likely that youknow, what, she started off as
being the front runner because that's thebiggest name that everybody knew, and just
over time, with media coverage,with the campaign unfolding, people got to
know other people, and they're kindof like, well, you know,
I like that guy better, ormight like this person, or you know,
I want to give this person achance. What do you think,
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Nicole? Talk about an easy questionyou just gave me there. I don't
think we'll really ever know the impactand answer when it comes to that.
What I will say is when II'm pretty politically sort of in tune,
if you want to say, Ioften listen to general counsel. I can't
say many of my friends and familydo that, but that's okay. They
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they're active citizens in different ways.But I think a lot of the conversations
that I've had people are just pointblank asking me, Nicole, who do
I vote for? Because there areso many candidates out there, they have
been having a bit of a hardtime differentiating between them, So, you
know, noka to answer your question. I don't know at the end of
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the day if those comments impacted theelection or the candidates who chose to attend
the debate, But I will saythat listening to a lot of the debates
has sort of helped me understand whoelse is on the you know, what
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are the other ideas that are outthere? And I think though, at
the end of the day, alot of residents are still just not sure
who to vote for because there's justso many candidates on that piece of paper
we're going to get on June tenth, if you haven't voted already. Just
through a little small thing about thedebates. Carolyn may have decided not to
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attend debates, but a number ofthe organizers of these debates were certainly interesting
in the way they calculated who wouldbe invited to the debate or not.
I think of the housing debate inparticular at UFT, where three candidates only
where invited, one of them wasn'teven an incumbent counselor, and then Carolyn
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didn't show, so you had aroom full of people and a whole lot
of media talking to two people.It was Dipica in Alvin, but that
wasn't the only one. And Iunderstand it's difficult with twenty candidates, but
I think the calculus in some ofthese meetings about who would come and who
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wasn't was surprising. I guess isthe nicest thing I could say about it.
There's also a lot of them.I felt bad for the candidates,
Like if you're trying a campaign,and you know, you don't have a
whole lot of time. I've beenthere, and everybody wants you to go
to a debate every day or sometimesdo three debates every day. When are
you going to really talk to voters? Right? So, you know,
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I love debates, we all lovedebates, but you know you can't have
them every day. You can't youcan't make them debate every day, nor
what democracy like. There's actually aI noticed like there is a notable difference
between you know, the social mediaof Carolyn Parrish and you know Alvin Tedjoe
and and I was just I wrotea feature of running this weekend, so
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I'm not going to give away allof it. But one of the things
that I did write about in ita setup for the election, is that,
you know, you see that whenCarolyn Parish made the decision not to
like engage in the policy discussions,she kind of took on a tactic which
a lot of GGA mayors do,which I don't know if the right term
is identity politics. But when yougo through her you know, Twitter or
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ex account, you can see thatyou know, she's going to this church
or this mosque or this community group. And you know she's not the only
one that does this. I mean, Patrick Brownton is you know, notorious
for this, Mark Frank Scriptitian Markhamis also quite well known to do this
because your communities are so diverse,right, and so you can you see
that in her in her Twitter accountthat she know she is really engaged.
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And she said this to me too, that that you know, I've been
going to five events a day.I'm meeting people you know where they are,
I'm going to their homes, I'mgoing to their you know, community
groups and community spaces, and soit is also a strategy, right.
So it's interesting, right because whenI expert that I spoke to, which
will I guess I give you acheaser for the story, is that you
know she's she's created it's a frontrunner tactic in a way to kind of
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engage in these safe, controlled spaceswhere you're not really challenged, you're not
really questioned, and you know thatyou know at least five people there are
supporters, right, no one's goingto heckle you or call you out,
and so you know, it isa tactic that I guess that she's decided
was something she wanted to use insteadof actually engaging in the policy discussions,
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which I think people like yourself,Nicole and others, I think we're kind
of hoping for. Yeah, youbring up a great point about the social
media uh strategies of the different candidates, and they are very different. They're
very very different. I was watchingthat too, and you could see,
you know, Carolyn's style and Alvinstyle very very different. Dipica very confrontational,
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lots of attacks, you know,towards different candidates and uh and Asco
not not didn't put out very much, you know, because I had been
sharing stuff so that you try tokeep it interesting and I had a hard
time finding stuff to share for Dasco. But but yeah, it's so interesting.
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What do you guys think of theyou know, overall platform ideas,
Like what what has really stood out? You know? Nor you mentioned Dippica
is she's kind of in a waybeen branded the no bike planes on Bloor
candidate and that kind of took alife of its own for a little while.
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But what what really stood out toyou guys in terms of policy ideas
from each of the major candidates.And we'll start with with norm So definitely
I think for Dibica, you know, the bike lanes kind of, like
you said, took on a lifeof its own. And then she kind
of doubled down a couple of daysago and said, I'm not just talking
about blurr, I'm talking about anyarterial streets. So that would be I
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think an interesting Uh, that'll beinteresting to see how that goes if she's
elected mayor. I think Alvin hasbeen I think for what stood out to
me was both his like very aggressivehousing policy, which you know, he
also told me that it was kindof applauded by Jennifer keys Matt, who
was well known for her kind ofplanning experience in the city of Toronto.
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And I think also his big pusharound affordability and not raising taxes. I
think has stood out from his side. And I think I'll leave it there
because I can't. For Carolyn Parrish. I know that she whenever I've asked
her about her policy, she hasgiven me several different kind of positions and
platforms. Talked a lot about herexperience as well and her successes. But
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trying to think about what has reallystood out, and I think, you
know, like I think, ifyou look at her history. I guess
I look at her history in termsof her voting record. She has been
really progressive on housing compared to theother candidates. She has been a great
ally to a lot of communities thatare like kind of you know, concerned
about things happening in the Middle East. You know. She has been pretty
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open minded on the bike lanes,although she voted no on the bike on
the Blue Street one. She Idon't think she said that. When I
talked to her, She's like shewould not reopen it or use strong mirror
powers to do something like that.So I think those are all kind of
I would say, like pretty progressivepositions given the candidates. I think nor
did a great job sort of outliningeach of the candidates. So I'll take
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a bit of a different approach interms of responding. But I think it
is really clear that in this election, we're celebrating our fiftieth anniversary in Mississauga
this year, and I think thereis a bit of a collision that's happening
where there's this suburban idea or mindsetof what Mississauga has been and this newer
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outlook on the city and meeting theneeds in terms of densification and what does
that mean for those homes that areused to really big homes and big lots
and typically having cars in the drivewayor you know, you'd have to drive
everywhere for example. But the bikelane topic has really really brought up a
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conversation about where we are headed asa city, I think in terms of
building for the future. And Ithink Mississauga, if I sort of put
it in, we're sort of inour teen years in a way, even
though we are turning fifty, becausewe are having a you know, really
looking at our identity as a city. And we've always been known as this
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sleepy suburban community where you hop onthe Go train or drive downtown to go
to work, but then you comehome and you know you live in Mississauga.
So I think that is being flippedon its head a bit, and
I think it is hard perhaps forsome individuals that you know, change is
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hard. So I think this isan election that will bring change regardless whoever
is elected, and I think thatis sort of where the city is headed.
Well, I think I'm going tothrow in a little bit from Stephen
Dasco since I think he's been alittle underrepresented in their discussion here and again
I had a chance to sit downwith him for about half an hour and
have a more fullsome discussion. Hehad I think a better or a more
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fleshed out vision in that discussion ofwhat a downtown Mississauga would look like,
and that there's really no there thereat the moment. And it had to
do with with ability for people towalk with neighborhoods reflecting themselves, but all
these big buildings and more of astreet life at street level, more commercial
activity, more opportunities for people toengage, and I think I think that
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was a good vision. But helinked it very nicely to a fairly broad
vision of public transportation and what thatwould be, and I think that's that
was very important, and I again, to really get a deep dive on
some of these policies, you haveto spend more time with them. In
terms of the bike lane issue,I think it's I think it's been misrepresented
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to a certain degree. I don'tthink it's an argument between cars and bikes.
I think it is how do weadapt to a changing world where we're
moving away from cars but there's stilla lot of people driving cars to more
efficient other forms of transportation, andplaces like Vancouver, for instance, have
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faced this and they've started to movebike lanes off the main road simply to
secondary roads that run parallel and nearbyto avoid the traffic. And that's what
the debate has become elsewhere. Victoriais another place. I think BC's ahead
of a lot of this stuff.But I think that Nicole's point is a
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very good one too. Yes,we've been around for fifty years, but
we've been a city that essentially livedin a nineteen fifties dream for a long
time that it was all about thecar and all about neighborhoods. And now,
for a whole lot of reasons,we're being forced to change. And
because this vision wasn't there at thebeginning or for decades, as we filled
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in, it's going to be alot more disruptive and a lot more expensive,
but also a lot more necessary tochange the nature of our nature of
our neighborhoods. I'll well finally addthat again. In this broader conversation I
had with Dippica, she said verybluntly to me about housing, that the
federal government has to get into socialhousing like it was prior to nineteen ninety
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one and it had to be nonmarket housing to really have an impact on
the nature and affordability of housing inthe region. And I think that was
very, very important. Other thanthat, the other thing is that nobody
has been talking about their responsibility asPEEL members and what that means for wild
areas, for farmland and for developmentand for water quality and species at risk
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in the north of the region andthat real and that's a big part of
the relationship with the province that reallyhas been missing as part of the discussion.
Okay, And with that, Iwant to thank the panel that we've
rent out at a time like sofast and there's just so many more questions
I wanted to ask. But anyquestions you listeners still have, there's still
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this last weekend before Monday. Askthose candidates as they come to your door,
so when they come knocking, askthem these questions. I think Bill
had a great point there nothing abouttheir region Appeal responsibilities. So with that,
I want to thank you Nicole,thank you Nora, and thank you
Bill. We're going to take aquick break and when we come back,
Noka and I will wrap things upfor you. Just before we end off
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the Beyond the Ballot. This isthe end of the show. We'll stay
tuned right here on News Talk SAGAnine sixty Am, stream us live at
SAGA nine sixty am dot CA.You're listening to Beyond the Ballot with Ryan
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Gurcharn and Nokah Duck Rube And welcomeback to the final segment of the final
show. Noka, this is it. We're done. Your mind's made up
(47:06):
on who you're voting for. Mymind's made up. I already voted.
I voted in advance, fools,because I believe I believe in voting early.
I think it's important, you know, to take that opportunity. And
usually election days are on a weekday, which I tend to be a little
(47:27):
bit busier. So I like togo on the weekend when good for you.
I like the hustle and bustle ofE day. I like to get
in there busy, list stressful.I thrive on stress. Oh okay,
well I'm not like that. Ijust like, okay, I'm gonna get
my I'm going to get some tea, I'm gonna go vote, and then
I'm going to get some groceries.That's basically what I did. Oh no,
(47:49):
no, No, I'm gonna I'mgoing in there. I'm gonna,
you know, just see everybody goingto vote. Rush in there. I'm
going to It's just there's a rushfrom voting. I loved that being a
part of it, and waiting forthe last minute to vote so important.
Then the conversations you hear, Sowhat do you think? One last question
(48:15):
for you before we wrap it up? What do you think of Bondy?
Probably not endorsing what she's saying.Well, I know you said that earlier
today, but I do want tosay she did endorse the counselor candidate she
did in Ward five. She did. She stayed out of the mayor race,
but she definitely dipped her toes intothe Ward five seat where she used
(48:36):
to hold. Yeah, and CarolynHolds and Carolyn held And I do want
to say that she endorsed, Uh, somebody who organizes her to Liberal Party,
so it's in her best interest asleader of the Liberal Party to endorsement.
I don't know. If I wereadvising her, I would have told
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too, and not nothing against Natalie. I think I think she's wonderful.
But if I were to just youknow, pull back and just think from
from a perspective of what's in thebest interest of the leader, I would
say it's probably not in the bestinterest of a leader to endorse a candidate
in a war election for many differentreasons. One, you kind of piss
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a lot of people off by doingthat, And if you are the leader
of a third party that doesn't havea lot of seats and you really need
to win every seat you could possiblywin, you probably don't want to be
going around pissing off people who youknow, have a lot of volunteers and
resources and they know a lot ofpeople in the community. So that's one.
(49:44):
The other thing is I find itso interesting and I find it quite
brave that she would do that becauseyou know, maybe Natalie is really ahead
and polling, because what if sheloses in the endorsement, doesn't Carrie,
What do you think the PCs willdo with that? I don't know.
That's very but the first to yourfirst point, I don't because she was
(50:07):
a well liked counselor. She neverI think her approval ratings like as a
counselor, people loved her in thecommunity. I don't think people would be
against like, if anything, thisreally puts if Natalie was the front runner
or was not, she's definitely goingto be now because I think that that
she's the Hazel voice in word five. Okay, right, yeah, more
(50:30):
than Carolyn though, Yeah, Ithink so, because Bonnie held office hours
in Malton. Carolyn go over tothat and Bonnie was there a bit more
to my knowledge, like visibly right, and local policy is all about showing
up, like that's something Bonnie alwaystold me. It's all about showing up,
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showing up, showing up. Andshe was there. Not that Carolyn
didn't show up, she does,but like if you wanted to talk to
the council every Thursday at four o'clock, you knew that you could go there
right in the community center. Soshe has she's done a great job and
all the positions. She's healthy forsure. Yeah, And I think people
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were supporting her bid for mayor,so it was like it's like part of
our communities now, part of themirror. So that's how they were seeing
it, I think. So.I don't think it was bad blood.
I think what more happened across Mississauga. A lot of people were disappointed she
left the mayor to run for theLiberal party leader and that's where maybe,
but that's across Mississauga, not somuch just word five. But with that
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I'm really excited about And you're right, she nobody endorsed a mayor mayor old
candidate, and I'm really excited tosee how that trends. Like I am
so excited, Mississaugans are making uptheir own minds well, and we'll find
out more so. If you wantto hear the results live, tune in
Monday eight pm live right here onnew Stokshagen I sixty am, live streaming
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online or turn on the radio ninesixty am and we will go over.
We'll call in the votes, We'llhave experts talking about the results, we'll
talk to candidates, campaign managers.It will be your real life local coverage
of what's happening. And with that, you got to say goodbye, no
(52:21):
good this is it. We're done, this is it, goodbye, goodbye.
We are going to miss you verymuch to our listeners. And this
has been wonderful. Thank you somuch for tuning in. And with that,
until next time, stay safe,no radio, no problem. Stream
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