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Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is Beyond the Big Screen Podcast with your host
Steve Guerra. Yeah, I mean urban planning.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I don't know when that became a thing, but I
think probably in the forties and fifties in LA Whether
they called it that or not, somebody had to be
doing it because it was a necessity. I mean, that
kind of growth. And you know, the growth happens across
the entirety of the culture. Right, so while the government
(00:37):
is growing, it's becoming a larger entity, and the population
is growing, well, crime is growing too. I mean at
the very beginning of the movie, in the opening narration,
they talk about Mickey Cohen, the kind of the local
mob boss, getting arrested and leaving a power vacuum. And
then we learned that these guys are being taken out
(00:59):
to the dry Hotel and kindly asked to return home and.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Not apply their trade there in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
These you know, that's because the there's growth and expansion,
and that's going to attract people of all types. You know,
you're you're entrepreneurs of all kinds, including the criminal ones.
And so when I first saw this, I actually, uh,
you know, I saw it while I was still on
the job and and uh and had.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Like some wish fulfillment going on at parts of it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
When when Dudley Smith and those guys were telling these gangsters,
you know, this is a city of angels and you
don't have any wings, you know, go back to Cleveland,
go back to Jersey. You know, I was like, Wow,
that's a great way to handle crime. Of course, then
I find out the reason they're doing it, so that
they can take over, and then I was like, ah,
all the all the although air came out of my balloon.
But you know, obviously that's not something you would really do.
(01:54):
But you know, I mean, here, I am a working cop,
and I'm I'm emotionally sympathetic to what they're doing, because
why are they doing it?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Trying to make their city a better place, right, They're.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Trying to keep a bunch of you know, career criminals
that organize crime and from you know, getting a foothold
in their city. And yeah, they're taking extraordinary means to
do that, but maybe the means are justified by the end.
And had that and it would have been an interesting
question within the framework of the movie if Dudley Smith
(02:30):
had not been you know, if he didn't have an
ulterior motive, and if he wasn't actually trying to become
a crime boss himself, essentially, that's unfortunate obviously. But if
if that hadn't happened, then then a larger question that
would come out of this movie would be how do
you feel about that? You know, a known criminal comes
(02:51):
to town and the cops find out about it, and
they grab him and they take him out to a
secluded place and they smack crap out of him and
tell him to go home. You there's a lot of
Los Angelinos that would say.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, you know, I'm not on I feel about.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know, they would have equivocated, right, And and again
that's that's a form of corruption for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But you know, we we don't.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Live in a perfect world, and so people, all different
kinds of people have all different kinds of thresholds for
what they consider corrupt. And like you and I may
differ on certain topics if we sat down and you know,
is this too much? Is that too much for whatever
profession you want to talk about? And and so it's
just just really interesting to me. Again, you have the
(03:40):
larger culture of Los Angeles and what their needs and
desires are, particularly with this quickly expanding city that you mentioned,
that are dictating to a degree the culture within the
police department. Now, how they're responding maybe isn't directly how
the larger culture instructed them to respond, but it's still
(04:02):
a direct response
This is Beyond the Big Screen Podcast with your host
Steve Guerra. Yeah, I mean urban planning.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I don't know when that became a thing, but I
think probably in the forties and fifties in LA Whether
they called it that or not, somebody had to be
doing it because it was a necessity. I mean, that
kind of growth. And you know, the growth happens across
the entirety of the culture. Right, so while the government
(00:37):
is growing, it's becoming a larger entity, and the population
is growing, well, crime is growing too. I mean at
the very beginning of the movie, in the opening narration,
they talk about Mickey Cohen, the kind of the local
mob boss, getting arrested and leaving a power vacuum. And
then we learned that these guys are being taken out
(00:59):
to the dry Hotel and kindly asked to return home and.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Not apply their trade there in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
These you know, that's because the there's growth and expansion,
and that's going to attract people of all types. You know,
you're you're entrepreneurs of all kinds, including the criminal ones.
And so when I first saw this, I actually, uh,
you know, I saw it while I was still on
the job and and uh and had.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Like some wish fulfillment going on at parts of it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
When when Dudley Smith and those guys were telling these gangsters,
you know, this is a city of angels and you
don't have any wings, you know, go back to Cleveland,
go back to Jersey. You know, I was like, Wow,
that's a great way to handle crime. Of course, then
I find out the reason they're doing it, so that
they can take over, and then I was like, ah,
all the all the although air came out of my balloon.
But you know, obviously that's not something you would really do.
(01:54):
But you know, I mean, here, I am a working cop,
and I'm I'm emotionally sympathetic to what they're doing, because
why are they doing it?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Trying to make their city a better place, right, They're.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Trying to keep a bunch of you know, career criminals
that organize crime and from you know, getting a foothold
in their city. And yeah, they're taking extraordinary means to
do that, but maybe the means are justified by the end.
And had that and it would have been an interesting
question within the framework of the movie if Dudley Smith
(02:30):
had not been you know, if he didn't have an
ulterior motive, and if he wasn't actually trying to become
a crime boss himself, essentially, that's unfortunate obviously. But if
if that hadn't happened, then then a larger question that
would come out of this movie would be how do
you feel about that? You know, a known criminal comes
(02:51):
to town and the cops find out about it, and
they grab him and they take him out to a
secluded place and they smack crap out of him and
tell him to go home. You there's a lot of
Los Angelinos that would say.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, you know, I'm not on I feel about.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know, they would have equivocated, right, And and again
that's that's a form of corruption for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But you know, we we don't.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Live in a perfect world, and so people, all different
kinds of people have all different kinds of thresholds for
what they consider corrupt. And like you and I may
differ on certain topics if we sat down and you know,
is this too much? Is that too much for whatever
profession you want to talk about? And and so it's
just just really interesting to me. Again, you have the
(03:40):
larger culture of Los Angeles and what their needs and
desires are, particularly with this quickly expanding city that you mentioned,
that are dictating to a degree the culture within the
police department. Now, how they're responding maybe isn't directly how
the larger culture instructed them to respond, but it's still
(04:02):
a direct response
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