Sean McNamara Reveals the TRUTH About Out-of-Body Experiences, Psychic Abilities & Consciousness

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm going to leave my body and what's out there,
you know. And also something that triggered fear from time
to time would be the physical and auditory symptoms that
I'm about to separate. Different people have different experiences, but
it's pretty common. Some people try and evoke what's called
a vibrational state. We really try and create this sense
of energy flowing and sizzling through the body. But you

(00:23):
could also experience what sounds like a gunshot going off
next to your head. It could sound like a freight
train is blowing through your living room, or like you're
standing next to a jet engine, or strange whistles. You
could hear someone calling out your voice. Sometimes you could
feel footsteps. I mean, and I'm saying you could, but
that's what I experienced. These different types of things, and

(00:44):
the tricky part about them is they can be scary,
but also they're distracting, and you really need to be
focused in a relaxed state, at least with the techniques
that I used.

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(02:48):
and we're going to dive right into this. Today's guest
is Sean McNamara. Sean, how are you today?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Doing great? Thanks for having me on todays suser, not
our problem.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
So you are in Colorado, Denver?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
What's the weather like over because I'm in Florida right
right now.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's beautiful. It's kind of a little gray right now,
but this is late springtime in Denver, and this is typical.
There'll be a beautiful thunderstorm and then it'll blow through
and beautiful sunset later on. So it's just gorgeous right now.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Wonderful. I've always I was in I was in the
military before, and I always was hoping that one day
I would get stationed in Colorado, because you guys have
all four seasons, right I think I think I've been
here in Florida for a while, but eventually, at some
point I'm probably probably gonna move to Colorado. It's either
Colorado or Arizona. One of those two is my it's

(03:42):
my jam. So we'll see how that, how that goes.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Come in the fall for a visit. It's the most
beautiful time.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're gonna. I think
my family and I are probably gonna do a Colorado
trip within the next three years. Get a cabin, you know,
do the whole thing that you see on the on
the TV and on the brochures, and kind of get
a little appetizer what's to come. Yeah, that's great, that's
the idea. So Sean wy, don't you tell the folks

(04:10):
are listening and watching if they don't know who you
are already a little bit about yourself, about who you
are today and what kind of things do you do.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sure you know, I'm on the show as the guy
behind Mind Possible, And that's just a name I came
up with years ago when I started exploring the possibilities
of the mind, specifically paranormal type of abilities. I'm a
guy who I mean, I'm going to shorten my story
really small here. I grew up as a Catholic that

(04:38):
I was not satisfied with belief systems, so I started
studying other traditions, specifically Buddhism, spend a lot of time
training in that, and after a while, I realized any
religion has its limitations, and my desires for discovery went
beyond what any religion allowed inside its box. Right, So

(05:00):
I need to look outside the box. So I left religion.
And I was really driven by a fear of death
because as a kid, I something happened. I got sick
and I almost died and realized at age seven, my mortality.
And I wanted to find out that something really happen
after death. Is there really an afterlife? And none of
the religions I had trained in or studied with could

(05:22):
really give me evidence for that. They told me what
to believe. But I wanted an experience that I could
be confident in, and so I started learning how to
have body out of body experiences because I thought, if
I can do that, if I can experience anything, if
I can just be me outside of my body, that'll
give me some confidence. And after months and months of
training just by reading books, and I say that because

(05:44):
I didn't have to ask permission from anyone, I didn't
have to give my personal power away. I didn't have
to go on retreat for a few years. I didn't
have to, you know, give anything away. I just had
to go on my own energy. Following instructions. I succeeded,
and in that first out about experience, I relieved myself

(06:04):
with that fear of death. And from that point on,
I continued studying other experiences of the mind, such as
telekinesis or psychokinesis, clairvoyance, and telepathy.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I love that, Sean, That's amazing. And let's pep back
a little bit into what you just mentioned. So first,
I guess to clarify, so you are not. So if
you're not religious, then what do you consider yourself? Just
to kind of give a baseline here for those that
are listening.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I mean I certainly have a spiritual side, So
you know, I guess, like I said, I'm spiritual but
out religious. I'm anti dogma. That's what I am. I
like breaking rules. I like helping people empower themselves, whereas
a lot of organizations and religions like to disempower the
individual and put the power in someone else's hand. I'm

(06:55):
the opposite, and so that's why I taught everything I've experienced,
teach it to others so they can empower themselves. And
I really don't like people trying to turn me into
their teacher either. I put up my books and my
online courses, but that's so that they can have the information.
They don't have to give any power to me. They
just take the information and run with it and do

(07:16):
their best, which I really.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Love, Sean. That is exactly why you're on this show,
because that's what we do here on this show. We
try to have conversations with people like yourself, like minded,
to just share what you know. It's something that we
all know, like our true selves, not our human not
our meat suits, but our true selves. We know all

(07:38):
of this. We just forgot. And by having these conversations
with you today, hopefully the listeners and those are watching this,
it'll put them in a state of remembrance to remember
what they forgot because they've always known how to do this.
They just they came here right and they forgot, you know,
in order to have this full experience. So let's before

(08:00):
we go into what you do today and what you teach,
let me ask you one more question. You talked about
that you had your first outer body experience. Now, the
reason I want to ask you about this, and actually,
do you mind talking about this? I don't know. I
happy too perfect because my last episode and you guys
can check up here on the corner of your screen.
I just had two individuals who talked about their outer

(08:23):
body experiences and their process and everything that they have experienced.
So but I like to get different perspectives because we
all try this, right, we all try these different things,
but we all have different experiences. So I'm curious, just
like those are waiting for here to hear from you,

(08:44):
is what was your first first experience like? And can
you touch base on where you scared going into it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, I'll start there. Because fear is such a such
a thing. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone training to
how this experience has to jump to that hurdle of
fear along the way. And it was definitely an issue
for me during the time I was training, So I
would train at least twice a day. I had a
job where I could come home in the afternoon and
I do a meditation visualization, and then I would also

(09:16):
train late at night before bedtime, and often I'd get
up in the middle of the night around three in
the morning, leave the bed, go to the living room,
which was my training area, lay on the floor or
on the couch and do my training again. And there
is I mean a few similar to when we're kids
and we think there's a monster under the bed, you know.
I experienced that, like, I'm what am I about to

(09:40):
experience here? I'm going to leave my body and what's
out there? You know? And also something that triggered fear
from time to time would be the physical and auditory
symptoms that I'm about to separate. Different people have different experiences,
but it's pretty common. Some people try and evoke what's
called a vibrational state. We really try and create this

(10:03):
sense of energy flowing and sizzling through the body. That
you could also experience what sounds like a gunshot going
off next to your head. It could sound like a
freight train is blowing through your living room, or like
you're standing next to a jet engine, or strange whistles.
You could hear someone calling out your voice. Sometimes you

(10:23):
could feel footsteps. I mean, and I'm saying you could,
but that's what I experienced. These different types of things,
and the tricky part about them is they can be scary.
But also they're distracting, and you really need to be
focused in a relaxed state, at least with the techniques
that I used. And the best way I found to
work with fear in this paradigm is to train so

(10:48):
much and get scared every time until you get bored
and find out I get scared every time, but nothing
bad ever happens. You know, nothing's happening here, and realize
saying all these experiences are largely, if not entirely, hallucinations
occurring in the brain because the brain is experiencing something
that's not used to that I'm consciously separating myself from

(11:12):
my physical body. That's unusual for the brain, and I'm
doing trying to provoke this experience. My brain is probably
trying to figure out, how do we do this? How
do I experience self? You know, the brain's number one
job is to keep us alive and maintain identity and
the act of leaving the body or disidentifying from the body.

(11:34):
Because there's a whole other conversation, but are we actually
leaving the body or are we actually ever in our body?
But that's a much bigger conversation. But you know, we're
changing the experience of selfhood, which really goes against what
the brain is designed to do. And so maybe that's
what's causing these hallucinatory experiences along the way. But so

(11:56):
getting bored through training over and over and over again,
I get bored of these experiences instead of scared of them.
And when the boredom sets in, that's a really good sign,
and then I could really relax and then the experience unfolded.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Sean Staff, But you mentioned that you did training and
you read books and things like that. After you read
all these books, did you modify the process or did
you to this day you still stick to that same
method that you've learned by reading said books.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I know, I eventually I modified them. I even
developed some of my own techniques. But really there's really
nothing new under the sun, I think in terms of
out about experiences and lucid dreaming, people have been doing
this for a very long time, and at the base,
they all boil down to the same thing, relaxing while
staying alert, body of sleep, mind awake. That's a quote

(12:46):
from Robert Monroe, who developed them in Rowe Institute. You know,
he made he brought the autobout experience out into the public.
He made it really popular, at least in the United States.
So his thing was let the body fall asleep on
the is awake that relaxation, focus, setting, intention, staying alert

(13:07):
balanced with relaxation and just being open and surrendering. Any
good technique will have those as the core component. And
then it's really about what kind of visualization do you
want to use. Do you want to imagine that you're
a bird flying through the sky. Do you want to
imagine that you're floating on the ocean gently and you
can feel the motion of the ocean moving your body.

(13:27):
Where do you direct your attention as a way to
pull your attention away from the body. So these things
can shift, but at the core, it's about surrender, focus, relaxation, intention.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Son, And thank you for that. You mentioned intention. Is
intention the key that trigger to kind of like to
just get you out of your body or before you
go and do outer body that evening or whatever, are
you preparing the entire day and what's your mindset? Like, Yeah,

(14:00):
I'll go with that.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, And so my answer will probably be different from
other people's answer because I am not the kind of
person who can say I want to go out of
my body tonight and then I just do it that night.
And I'm pretty sure that kind of person is rare,
But for me, I decide I want to leave my
body again, So I start training, training, training every day,
a couple times a day, training, training, training, until I'm successful,

(14:25):
which typically if I want to have one's going to
be a matter of weeks. I mean, I haven't done
it in a while, actually, so it could be faster now.
I don't know. Depends on what's going on in life,
what stress are you under, what else are you focused on?
How much do you really want it? And I find
that that's the case with any tychicability, but especially with
the out of body experience. Do you really want this?

(14:46):
Do you really want to leave your body? Because you're
gonna have to train hard, be persistent, and at the
same time let go. And that's where the intention is.
It's not just tonight I'm going to have the intention
and leave. It's the intention is there every time I train.
I'm building up the expectation, the desire. You know, there's
got to be this burning desire I really want to

(15:07):
have this, which is how I felt when I had
my first one. I trained for months without giving up
until I succeeded. And that's why I succeeded, because I
didn't give up, because I had that burning desire. I
was pissed off at some spiritual teachers I had worked
with who were quite abusive actually, and I needed I
was like, I need this. I need this for myself.

(15:27):
I need this to free myself and to get my
personal power back. I need this badly. And so the
intention has rolled into that too. It's not just an
idea like, oh, I intend to leave my body. It's
I want it, and I'm going to have it, and
I'm going to work really hard until I have it.
That kind of intention is at play. So it's a
consistent intention. For some people. They could trigger it out

(15:48):
about experience just by being interested in it and reading
about it a lot, and then because their mind is
mulling over it over and over again, they might even
start dreaming about having an out of buddy, it's not
about experience or even having looser dreams. These are all
getting closer and closer to the experience. So really wanting
it is probably a better description than just intention.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like you for a while you
demanded it, you know, you said I'm going to do this,
you know, and until you until you got it and
you achieved it. So I know it's been a while
since you've had the outer body experience, Sean, and I
don't want to like hover too much on this, but
I just to make sure for those that are listening,
I feel like intually they want me to ask this question.

(16:32):
Can you describe what that felt like for you when
you first were disconnecting from your physical into your I
don't know what you call it, your energetic body.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Now. I know there's a lot of theories out there,
a lot of descriptions. People still sometimes talk about the
silver cord and or I never experienced that. That could
be in the out of body experience for two things.
Or it could be an objective reality and still a
subjective reality where our beliefs play into what's experienced. Along
the way, they get into your question, what's it actually
like when you So I'll describe my first one. So

(17:06):
this happened. If I remember, right around three in the morning,
I'm on the couch in my training area and an
apartment we lived in a long time ago. Lights off,
I'm laying there trying to be very still and I
don't remember the exact visualization I was using, but I
had to do with motion, feeling motion while I'm relaxing.

(17:26):
And for me, typically most of the time, when I
have an out about experience, I'll go from doing the
visualization to relaxing and then blacking out for a split second,
and then the separation begins, like there's a moment of
blackness and then awareness and something else is happening. So
I did my technique, let myself drift into unconsciousness, and

(17:50):
the next thing I know, I'm aware and there is
this buzzing electrical and I can feel it in my
body head to toad like that. And I trained for this,
so I expected it and I sort of started to
experience it already in previous training. So as you train,
you'll start these little experiences will come and you're getting

(18:11):
closer and closer, and it's usually the fear that shuts
it down. But this time I was bored. I was like,
I've heard this sound before, I felt this before. Now
I know what to do. I'm going to put my
attention at the doorway, and that that didn't mean me
opening my eyes of looking that just my attention was
at the doorway, and I knew that that was a

(18:32):
way to magnetize my sense of self away from body.
But then the weird, weird thing happened, because that's not
what happened. What happened is I actually like rolled off
the couch. My body didn't that my sense of self did,
and I found myself sort of floating right over the
carpet across the room. And at first I couldn't see,

(18:56):
but then I could start to perceive things because remember
I don't have physical eyes in this, and I'm so
used to seeing that. So sometimes in the autobody experience
you don't actually see the way you do with eyes.
But in this case, I was so conditioned. I was like,
eventually I had a sense of sight, and it was
like I was stretched out across the floor and it
felt like from there my waist down, I was still

(19:17):
in my body.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Like I was stretched out, it's still connected. And that's
as far as I got the first time. But so
it sort of those initial sensations. But then when I
separated those sensations subside, it was just silence and I'm
out and feeling free. That stuck at the same time,
and it was just a few moments and the excitement ended.

(19:41):
It I was back in the body, eyes opened, wide awake.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
You said, excitement mean like you realize. You were like
you realize what was happening, and you were like you
were like, oh shit, this is awesome, you.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Know, yeah, like I did it. I did it. And
that's the thing is, this is not a dreamy state.
This is not a half conscious state having an out
about experience. When it's a proper one, it's like walking
from one room through a doorway into the other and
turning around and seeing your body you left it in
the other room that you are clearly conscious and awake. However,

(20:14):
it is difficult to concentrate. It's difficult to maintain focus
the way we are when a wheel wake, everything happens
much faster. We're driven by emotion, much easier. You have
to have a very good trained mind to stay stable
mentally in that state. So we're very like a ship
in a storm, very easily blown by the wind of

(20:36):
our emotions and our lack of concentration. So it's really
hard to stabilize the experience. A lot of people are afraid,
like if I leave my body, will I be able
to come back in or will I be stuck. Well,
the actual problem is the opposite. How can I stay
out longer? Because as soon as we get excited speak
about myself. As soon as I get excited, boom, I'm

(20:58):
back in. I keep a cool head while I'm out there,
which is hard because what if I have extremely interesting
or inspiring experiences where I see beautiful things, I'm filled
with limitless love excitement at the success, which was in
this case, I was so excited and so happy. It's

(21:19):
like I did it. I don't know to be afraid
of that boom, I'm back in the body. The other
things can happen, like I need this to last longer,
and with practice, so I'm sure anyone can make it
last longer. Am I am due to get to last longer,
but still not very long. Overall that you don't need
to be out very long anyway to have the realization
that we are more than our physical bodies. Against Robert Lenrodes,

(21:42):
we are more than our physical bodies.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's beautiful. I like the I like the fact that
you in your story you mentioned that you you were
let me see, you were aware of what happened, and
then you were just like I did it. Like that's
a that's a mortal meat suit reaction, you know. But
you're able to do that as a energetic thing being
outside of your body, which we don't normally do that

(22:08):
in our dream state, Like we don't even you know,
by the time we realize that we're dreaming, we're like
waking up, you know, Oh that was a dream, you know.
But the fact that you reacted that way, the reaction,
that's what's like really separates from like I'm out of
body or I'm dreaming, which is very cool.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, and that's a feature of this too, is when
the autobod experience is over, eyes open and still conscious
as if I was just started, because I was just start.
There's no like waking up later on and oh I
think I had. It's not like that. It's like crystal clear,
I was there and now I'm here inside. No breaking
consciousness on the return.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's instant. Yeah. I appreciate you clarifying that. Wow. Yeah,
and uh and let's do a quick little cheap plug
plug in here. Do you have books out there? Well,
you know, a website, contact information. Let's thro that out
there for folks that you know. Even though you're still
listening and watching, you might want to start going around
and see who Sean mcnamary is.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
It's mind Possible Altogether dot com. I have a several sites,
So a newer one is Pathofthgolden Teacher dot com and
that has to do with meditation and psychedelics. I don't
know if you want to talk about that today, but
I barely promote that one. But most of my stuff
they can find through mind Possible. And you know, I've

(23:27):
been doing this for at least fourteen or fifteen years,
so I've got at least seven or eight books out
there and six or seven online courses with all the
information that people need to have these experiences. So I'm
a bad I'm a slow learner, and I think that's
what makes me a pretty decent teacher that I know
all the routes a person shouldn't take that go nowhere,

(23:50):
and I know what does work because I had to
struggle every single time with every single thing I've learned,
and so I try and approach my teaching activity that
way that I can really resonate with the people who
struggle the most. I know those challenges.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, a lot of us are slow learners,
you know, and it's that's okay, you know. I mean,
if you're a fast learner, I think you just missed
out on all the good stuff, you know, because a
lot of people that learn things quickly they get bored
and then move on to the next thing stuff, So
they're really not they're really less prep in the present.
And yeah, folks all have obviously his information the description

(24:26):
of the videos, so just go down and scroll down
and check it out there too. Sean. That's also so
interesting with the whole hour body stuff. But let's talk
about what you do today. So you and I were
talking offline and you mentioned that you now do telepathy.
That's your jam right right now. So I guess my
question to you is going to be why telepathy?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I think it was just a natural result following
everything else that I had experienced in top people, you know,
went from the autobody experience to tell a cane, and
then some are more viewing, and some mindsight and then telepathy.
Because what I what I realize is all of these

(25:11):
really they all at the core have the same thing,
this communication of consciousness and the interconnectedness of all of us.
At some level, we are all already connected. The connection
doesn't have to be made, it is made on some
profound level. We are one very deep deeper than this

(25:33):
part of the brain can cognize, right, And when I
teach theme I try to get across is the good
lessons like patience, kindness, love, interconnection. And there's no better
lesson for interconnection in our interdependence with each other than telepathy.
That we can perceive what's happening in each other's minds.

(25:54):
I think it's just such a beautiful message. And so
I've been working more on telepathy for the last couple
of years, and I know now it's getting to be
even more of a hot topic because of the telepathy tapes.
I don't know any autistic children in the area, so
I don't work with those types of people. I work
with non autistic individuals. So at the type of telepathy

(26:14):
that a regular person can do, which is not at
the level that the autistic children can do, that they
can do one hundred percent, whereas what we can do
is much weaker. And that's okay, But it's just enough
to know the way A teacher gives enough evidence, and
that's important for me that there's evidence that this is real,
not just woo who I'm going to tell you your

(26:35):
fortune for two years from now, I won't be around
for you to tell me if I'm right or wrong. No,
with this is in the moment, you get to see
if you're accurate or not. So the measurement is important,
but to give some of the evidence we are interconnected.
You do have this capacity, and it's beautiful, it's inspiring.
I often get people in my classes who are already
energy workers, healers, psychics, medium like that, and sometimes they

(27:01):
show up just because they know they're doing good work,
but they would like to just see for themselves a
different way that they're headed in the right direction, that
what they are doing is real. And just in two
hours we do some telepathy work and like, yeah, okay,
it's there's no doubt that I'm the work I'm doing
is legit. So thanks for the verification. And then they

(27:25):
go back to their lives. And I really love that.
I want to It's fine with me to inspire people
to do what they're already doing with just a little
bit of different sorts of evidence. It's just one of
the funner it's one of the more fun classes to
teach too, because it's the group energy is great. We
can share the evidence with each other, people learn from

(27:46):
each other, everyone encourages each other. So their whole scene
becomes very loving and really the sense of warmth and
kindness between people actually strengthens the ability, which is really
nice to see.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah. Absolutely facts And you mentioned the telepathy tape Sean, folks,
you'll see also in the corner all throw in a
link as well. I did interview Laura hirsh her and
her son Trevor Uh he's he's a non verbal autistic
and they also were on the Telepathy tape, so they

(28:19):
talk about their story. So check that video out as
well if you want to know about more about that.
But what what what was your thought? What was your
takeaway from watching or from listening to the Telepathy tape?
Because I heard also see the whole Was it two
seasons right?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
One season? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
And they might I think they started adding bonus episodes
at this point.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard the whole season one. And
a friend of mine, she she's a channeler, and Jenna
Tuttle shout out to you. She went ahead and was like, Caesar,
this is your jam. Check this out and I was like,
all right, I went for a walk, put it on,
couldn't stop. So what was your takeaway from from.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, I've listened to it twice. A second time I
was on a road trip with my wife because I
wanted her to listen to We heard the whole thing
straight through, driving back and forth to Nebraska. And you know,
I think, I like to think I've seen a lot
in terms of the consciousness field, and it takes a
lot for me to feel touched. I mean, by episode ten,
I mean tears were coming out. It's because people started

(29:21):
and I started thinking, oh, this will be a program
about telepathy and autistic children. By the end, it is
so much more than that, so much the spiritual vision
is incredible, the inspiration, the fundamental notes about love and
how to be with each other. We can learn so
much from the relationships the autistic children have with their

(29:42):
primary caregivers and their teachers and how they affect each other,
because we affect each other too all the time, that
we can learn lessons from them. And I've already learned
a lesson from listening to this program with There's some
people in my life and I'm shifting the way I'm
present with them because I really lives It's more than
just what we say to each other. It's more than

(30:03):
just a look on our face. There's something else happening.
And if I can, if I can work on myself
on the inside, it will directly benefit that other person
vice versa. But it's just the most inspiring, love filled,
beautiful thing that's come out in a long time.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Long time, especially now, right, you know, like we're we're
so used to the show wasn't anything too complicated to
listen to. It was just stories, just people being their
authentic self with integrity that is missing from shows like
there's you know, like they call it reality shows bullshit, right,

(30:44):
you know, it's not reality, you know. And it's no
Ted talk. You're not in here, You're not listening to
this process. It's just folks telling you, like, look, we're
like how you said, we're connected. It's not trying to
get connected. We are connected. We just forget how to
tune in be aware that we are connected. But yeah,

(31:04):
I took away from that just the one thing love
like love seems to be like the key to all
of it, you know, whether it's the telepathy tapes, whether
it's the Andy you know stories, everything's about love. So
I'm glad that you touched based on that because it's
something that we keep on repeating also on the show.

(31:26):
Love Love, Love Love, like put in front of everything else.
I want to mention to folks how I found you.
We both have a mutual friend named Wendy Gallant, and
I'll put the link up here as well, gentlemen and
ladies for the episode that she was on talking about
Bigfoot and all her experiences which are just amazing. But
so yeah, so you and I both know Wendy. How

(31:47):
did you run into Wendy? And how are you working
with her now these days?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Gosh, I don't remember how we met, and we've never
met in person, so we're just sort of like online
friends and we've zoomed. Gosh, I don't know. Now there's
something she's worked with in the past, Rob and so
I've met him in person once at a program a

(32:13):
few years ago. How do I know Whendy? I don't
remember how we met. Then, I'm pretty sure, like if
someone looks at both of our Facebook profiles, we have
probably one hundred people on the same friends list. It's
kind of a small world at the end of the
day in this field. So but yeah, we've been in touch.
And I mentioned her in my book Mindsight because I

(32:38):
read about training blindfolded at the intuitive level. But she's
teaching people that she literally see through the mask, which
is next level stuff. But I wrote in my preface
to the book or the introduction her story and that
she and her teaching she gives so freely, which was
so inspiring to me. Even today she's doing I mean,

(33:00):
she's teaching, she's spending a lot of time with people
one on one and in groups and just giving her
over herself so much. And she's put so much information
out on Facebook and YouTube, and I you know, when
I'd left religion, I'd come from a situation where I'd
come from a tradition where the secrets, you know, you

(33:20):
had to climb levels, you had to pay money, you
had to really give your personal power away to get
the good stuff, to get to really good teachings and
the secret stuff that would really take you all the
way to enlightenments or whatever. And I'm generalizing, but that's
what the kind of culture that I'd come out of.
And here's Wendy and people like Wendy, who are the
exact opposite, just putting it out there. And so I found,

(33:46):
you know, as like, here's a friend in kind, you know,
run the same wavelength here, and I really admire her work.
And she's certainly got so many experiences out there, like
the Bigfoot one and others. I don't want to speak
for her, but she's boy, she's you know, you know
her story. She's an amazing human being. And so, you know,

(34:08):
we stay connected and we have started talking about the
possibility of doing something together in the future. It's too soon.
I don't want to say anything publicly, sure, you know
for sure, but that I just think she's fantastic and
everybody listening to the show should go google Wendy Goland
and check into what she's doing because it's it's well

(34:28):
worth it.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, it's amazing, and I'm so glad that, you know,
people like yourself are kind of connecting with people like
Wendy and stuff because she's on the right track. She
has a great heart. You seem to have a great
heart from what I can tell from you. Oh, you know,
more power to both of you guys, right, Hopefully you
guys changed the game so to speak, I know, and

(34:53):
I'll put a link up here. You know, you guys
know I've also done interviews with Rob as well, I
mean his students, so you guys can check that out
here as well. So I know he's you know, leaning
towards the helping the blind see, which is I mean
game changer, right, And I think now he's also working
on trying to get the depth to hear through that

(35:15):
whole concept as well though, So I hope you guys
find what you're doing and then you know, again, continue
to change the game and help people remember what they
already know, you know, they just forgot right. So Sean,
let's let's talk about you. So you dabbled in being
a psychic, but offline you mentioned to me that you

(35:38):
no longer do the whole psychic thing. Why did you?
Why were you interested in? Then at some point you
just said, nah, I'm good. Do you just get bored
or what?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, well it was you know, I was referring to
me using my psychic abilities. You know, It's funny, I'm
teaching this stuff so people might assume that I'm super
psychic or something. And in the beginning, when especially when
I was practicing telekinesis, you know, mind over matter stuff,
feeling this pressure to do more and move heavier things,
and all that, and and that and all these other

(36:09):
things I've experienced. You know, they there is a natural
limit to these abilities for each person. Anyone can learn
how to play tennis, but not everyone's going to go
to Wimbledon. But more than that, I've worked with a
lot of people, and I've also seen a lot of
people out there doing these things. And I realized a
couple of things. These abilities can make an unhealthy ego

(36:32):
more unhealthy. These abilities do not fix regular life issues.
They do not fix personality disorders. They can make personality
disorder like narcissism, even worse. And I've seen it happen.
And I realized that, you know, I put myself in
this situation by writing these books and putting on this
persona of like, I know stuff, you know, But then

(36:54):
that means I have to take on this pressure to
make sure I'm performing all the time or that I'm
maintaining my like. But I'm so many other things here.
I'm a husband, I'm a therapist, I'm a son, I'm
a friend, And these things I realize matter to me
more than spending hours a day training my psychic abilities.

(37:17):
One thing is too that I think it goes back
to having those auto body experiences that reminded me it's
not over when I die. The other thing, too, is
you know, because I do. I'm involved with psychedelics also,
and journey after journey with the mushroom reminds me that, yeah,
we are more than our physical bodies. But also the

(37:38):
point of all that, if I put it, boil it
all down, is the point of being alive is to
be alive, to have this human body with all its failings,
including the personality failings, the lack of you know, the learning,
the imperfection. I'll speak for myself, allie. That's why I'm
here to be regular old sean to feel with my skin,

(38:00):
to taste, to smell, to listen, to see with my
eyes my physical eyes, to touch the earth and be
here and experience youth, middle age as much as it sucks,
and then older age. If I get to be so lucky,
I'm going to have this experience once everything else, all
the psychic stuff, the consciousness stuff that'll be waiting for

(38:22):
me after this body is dead. So why not be
here and experience, the human experience. Maybe this is the
primary spiritual lesson, is just to be alive in this
body and that it is enough. But I have to
be careful with that because I don't want to make
people who are pursuing their psychic abilities feel bad because

(38:42):
I still teach psychic abilities. Why do I do that
because it brings me closer to people. I get to
see the aha moment on people's faces. It inspires me,
it makes me happy. And so people are building their
psychic abilities, that's fine too, because maybe that's part of
their human experience. So I don't mean to shoot that
down for anybody else, but for me, I got to
have all my experiences and maybe I'll have more for sure,

(39:07):
but I have to remember to not be afraid to
live this ordinary life and to really do it as
full as I can. So I'm not concerned about being
psychic at all. I mean, we're all a little bit psychic.
My talent is not in being psychic, is in teaching.
You know, I'm a good teacher, and that's a skill

(39:29):
that I have to work on. So I'm developing that.
That's part of my human experience. So that's why I'm
not so interested in myself becoming super psychic or anything.
But I'll cheer anyone on who wants to be. I'll
train them, I'll work with them because I want to
see that smile on their face and i want to
see the self empowerment inside of them. It sets people
free when they discover that they are more than just

(39:51):
this meat suit.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah. No, I appreciate you explaining that, Sean, because as
you were explained that, I was thinking, like, I was
going to ask you a question, but you kind of
answered it. I was going to ask you if, like,
if you don't do these abilities, So, if you're not
trying to hone these abilities, then what makes you and
with all the respect, what makes it qualified to teach them?
And then as you were explaining that, I'm thinking, you

(40:15):
know what, it's the same reason why a coach coaches
like they don't have to be out on the field
to be a good coach to you know, to to
help those players become greater, to become the goat, you know,
of whatever it is that they're doing. So you answer
my question, let's call it. I don't know if it's
telepathy or whatever the case is, but you answer it

(40:37):
before I before I asked it, because it makes sense
to me, like you've dabbled into it, you said, Okay,
I realized where my I'm gonna stay in my lane,
and my lane is just to coach and teach, see
the joy and see people remember and smile and that
that's beautiful, Sean, That's an amazing thing.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And I'm experiencing this in a new way right now
because over the past almost a year and now I've
been training the first group of teachers of mind possible teachers,
training them to teach the exact same things I teach
and I tell them, and some of them have come
to me saying I'm afraid because I'm not very psychic.
I'm like, that's not it. And I you know, you

(41:20):
can get some of the instructions on a one piece
of paper. Here's how you do telepathy, or here's how
you do remote viewing or whatever, but I'm not training
you to do that. You know. When I work with them,
I'm training them and how to be present, how to
be observant, how to be loving to the students. And
I'm not talking about in a romantic way. I'm talking

(41:41):
about in a almost a spiritual way, how to be encouraging,
how to see people's blind spots, how to see people's
limitations and lifts them up out of them, how to
help people develop their own insights, how to be encouraging.
So training these teachers is not about teaching them to

(42:03):
be psychic. It's teaching them how to bring out the
very best of their heart and to offer it to
their students. That's what it is to be a teacher,
at least the way I define it, And that's very
That is so much more worthwhile than being able to
remote view a picture and an envelope somewhere. This is

(42:24):
on a whole other level, but it just doesn't have
the pizaze, right that some psychic abilities bring.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, I love that, Sean. Hearing you speak
something compells me to ask you, what do you think
consciousness is?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, so I think about that a lot. Sometimes. I
wonder if it's not a natural force in the universe,
just like gravity and time, which are relative, you know,
they're not a fixed They're not chexed objective. In a
certain sense, consciousness might be something that already pervades the
whole universe, and it can take different forms, but almost

(43:01):
like a field. But of course there are many reasons
scientifically speaking, way it might not be a field. It
might be on the whole other level. But it might
be something that's been around forever and it just pervades everywhere,
and right now it's just localized. A little bit of
it is localized in this body, a little bit over
there in Caesar's body, you know, like a vast ocean

(43:22):
that pervades the whole universe that it transcends space, time
and gravity too at the same time, and it can
play with it can play with. So somehow I think
there's something about consciousness and about these physical forms. At
some point they have to go like this. They have
to intersect. The physical world has to intersect with a

(43:46):
non physical reality. And I don't know if that's dark
matter or whatever else. I'm not a scientists, so I
don't know for sure. But at some level there is
an intersection, an adjoining, and then a separation. But I
think I think it's much bigger than I keep coming
back to our physical brain. Right it's it's a beautiful

(44:07):
it's probably the most complex computer in the universe, the
human brain, or at least in the Solar system. That
it has its limitations, and what's really going on is
probably beyond what this part of the brain can perceive.
So it's something beyond words. You know. Sometimes with psychedelics,
I can I can have the experience of what that is.

(44:27):
But then when the when the journey is over, the
brain thinks differently again. It comes back to normal everyday
functioning and it just can't proceed it out of the memory.
But it takes a whole other level of functioning in
the brain to even touch the tip of what is
consciousness really. Meditation can help, psychedelics can help. Sometimes trauma

(44:49):
can help. Near death experiences can help. But whatever I
think it is, I'm sure I'm dead wrong, and it's
much bigger and much different.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, and that's the bes of apart just just trying
to figure it out, you know, that's the fun part.
I mean, Sean, I thought about I mean think we
all we all have at least if you're in this space,
you know, spirituality and things like that. We've all thought
about that. And two scenarios come to mind. I want
to get your thoughts on. First scenario is when you

(45:19):
stop breathing right, you cover your mouth, you cover your nose.
What do you lose consciousness, right, you lose consciousness, but
your body doesn't die. You pass out. You know, your
body's still functioning. So I'm like, wait a minute, is
air consciousness? Let me stop there. What do you think

(45:40):
about that comment?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, you know many traditions talk about prana rachi and
they say it's not the same thing as oxygen, that
the air we breathe is the conductor of this life force.
So maybe there's something too that you know, we pass
out when we don't breathe, and there's a cessation of
the movement of prana and the body, And that's why
their yoga techniques to do that, where yogis hold their

(46:05):
breath for a very long period of time and the
brain functions differently. But for most regular people when they
fall asleep at night, they go unconscious for at least
four first four hours during delta sleep, that's when the
brain does most of it's healing and clean up work.
We black out totally. The people who are trained in
dream and sleep, especially in like the Tibetan Buddhist traditions

(46:28):
the Bajiyana, there are techniques that they train in to
maintain consciousness even in deep sleep. There's a practice called
the clear light practice, where you become conscious in the
much deeper levels of awareness that are fundamental to us
as living beings. That most people aren't trained in that,
and don't they just they train to black out and

(46:51):
fall asleep until they have dreams that there are ways
where you can explore the deeper levels of consciousness while
your body is just blacked out. But it takes a
lot of training, and I'm afraid in the modern world,
especially in technological societies like ours, most people aren't interested
in that kind of development.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Now everybody, everybody wants the right now quit boom boom
boom boom boom, next thing. You know, nobody wants to
nobody nobody wants to really live that organic life. I
don't know. Everybody just wants that fast track stuff. I
don't I don't get it. But yeah, so yeah, just
to wrap up that, that statement, they're regarding air possibly

(47:31):
being consciousness or pron or where a case is because
when you're born, babies take that first breath, you know,
and then when you die, the air goes out. So
I'm like, dang it, could it be that? And then
also the other scenario was like people with Alzheimer's right,
Like you know, some people identify consciousness as your identity,

(47:53):
as who you are, so like you know, you know
somebody for sixty seventy eighty years and they run into
the Alzheimer's stuff and then their body's still moving around,
they're still, but they're not there. It's like what The
question that I will ask you and that's in there
is what left right?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
And where did it go? And what's interesting with Alzheimer's
patients is there's this phenomenon called terminal lucidity where often
or sometimes near the very end of their life, suddenly
they come back and they come back better than ever.
There clearly there, they know exactly what's happening, and they
have a few minutes where they talk and they say
what they're going through the room, you know, and then

(48:34):
they're gone again. So terminal lucidity can occur. So where
were they in between? There are so many stories and
accounts of people who will have a traumatic brain injury
like physical trauma, and their personalities are changed forever. Where
they used to be a very nice person, they become
a real jerk for the rest of their life. Like

(48:55):
personality changes like this, So what does that mean about
this the self? What is the cell? And I think
it is largely a combination of the conditioning and the
physical brain from birth onward, from how we're raised in
all our life experiences and our genetics. But also what
are we bringing in from let's say, our non physical self,

(49:18):
maybe from past life conditioning, maybe if we come with
the mission. That's where these two come together. So if
you have Alzheimer's, yeah, your sense of self has changed
from the perspective of the physical brain. But on the
I'll use this term loosely, but on the soul level,
maybe there's no change there. The radio isn't working right,

(49:40):
but the radio signal is still pure. It's just that
the radio's shifted right because of the traumatic injury. And
so someone's personality has changed. The personality as long as
we're live in this physical body is very malleable. You know,
trauma can change it. I'm also a certified imatist, you know,
just tapping into the subconscious you can change people's behaviors

(50:02):
very easily, actually, with certain techniques. So we're not as
the self isn't a real thing. It's just a it
is an illusion. It just seems to be constant throughout
someone's life that it is not. And a lot of
people don't like that either, because what does that mean?
What are we? If I'm not who I think I
am and I'm you know, one knock on the head

(50:23):
and I could have a totally different personality, What is
there to hang on to? Nothing? We have to let go.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I love I love Sean that you touch base. I
love that you touch base on that because, yeah, like
our you know, I've talked about this in other shows,
that our identity is just a collection of our experiences,
you know, like you know, the way I look, the
clothes that I wear, the way that I speak, the

(50:51):
way that I move, you know, all of these things
is just something that that I maybe I saw, I
just you know, latched onto and then I sell, okay,
i'm gonna take this. I'm gonna take that, I'm gonna
take this, and then all of that becomes my identity,
you know. So it's like if you strip all of
that down and offer you again, who are you? And

(51:14):
no one ever takes the time to do that. We
just keep on adding more, adding more, a new haircut
in a new way where your your facial hair or
you know, whatever, whatever the case is. So, man, it's wild.
It's wild to try to figure out, you know, who
you are, and and then where about those people that
are that their identity is their jobs? Then when they

(51:37):
lose a job, that our dandy goes with the job
and now they're like, who am I Like, I'm not
the bank manager anymore? Well you never were, you know,
So it's not so much because we hold on Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's yeah, it's it's wild. Said that last part again,
because that cuts you off there.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Sure, I was just saying we suffer so much because
we hold on so tightly.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Well said, well said, well said, Well, Sean, I have
a thousand questions for you, but again, to respect your time,
let's go into my last questions here and then we'll
wrap things up. All right. So my first question, oh,
actually you know what do you have a moment to
see if you could test me on some esp sure?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Now, do you want to see the result or do
you want to leave a link on the channel so
people can also do this test?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Let's do Hey, what's what do you suggest?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Well?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
But yeah, let's do a link? I mean I want people.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah, So, do you have a piece of paper and
a pen that you can because I'm going to give
you the instructions and you can do it now, but
I won't show you. I'll just give you the link
so you can see later on how well you did,
and then your listeners will be able to see. And
I'll just give you some basic instructions.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Okay, and I'll send you the paper and I got pens.
So what should I do?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Okay? Yeah, so I'm just going.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So, so are you're going to send me the link
and then I'll then I'll have an put it on here.
So what am I doing with this now?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah? So right now on the top of the page,
I'm going to give you a coordinate. This is six digits,
six numbers that all together represent the target. So you're
trying to perceive the target, which could be a place
or an event somewhere, and I'm not going to give
you any more details, so you're going to let your
mind fill it in. So the coordinate, so this is remobiling,

(53:25):
is three zero eight six two seven, three zero eight.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
And one line right across.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, just six numbers in a row. It's your coordinate
three zero eight six seven. I wrote it down, and
what you can let you decide if you want to
do it now or after we wrap up. What are
you going to do is just set your intention? Okay, well,
do you're in a You're going to set your intention.
I want to perceive information about this target, whether it's

(53:56):
a place, an event, a person you don't know, and
you might just interview yourself, you know what comes to
your mind? That's surprising, that's different.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Are you indoors? Are you outdoors? Is this a natural?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Like? Like now, sure, if you want, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
I'm gonna I'm gonna interview you. Is this indoors or outdoors?
What comes to mind?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
All right, I'm trying to ignore the camera and the
lights right now and everything, but what comes to mind is, man,
is that I feel like I'm indoors looking outwards for
some reason.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Okay, so we're just gonna we're never gonna we're never
gonna label what we see. We're just gonna describe. So
you said indoors, you're describing the experienced indoors and great,
is this something? Is this something natural or man made?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Man made? Okay?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
What colors are coming to.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Like? Because you would see on a on a regular
wall like a like a plain beige or something beige
or like a white I'm not sure the color is,
but like a plain wall. Okay, nothing fluorescent, just.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Okay, any sounds no, I don't think, so okay, So
pretty quiet? Yeah okay? And if you were there, what's
surrounding you? What does it feel like? What's surrounding people? Things? Nothing? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
And it's just a weird angle that I'm looking out.
I feel like I'm looking out of a window. But
but okay, so I.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Know people like, yeah, okay, no people around pretty shell okay.
And then I think we can leave it at that.
I think, I think. And I'm not gonna say if
you did well or not, because other people are going
to do this experiment, and I don't want them to
write the same stuff that you just said because it

(56:04):
might be different, right, I don't want to spoil it
for them.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah you know what you tell me like offline?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, I'll tell you offline. We'll watch the link together,
because actually the link, when people click on it, they'll
be taken to a three hundred and sixty degree YouTube video,
so they can click and drag on the screen as
if they're actually at that location and they can look
around and see what the target was. So you and

(56:30):
I can do that now when we're all finding out
and you'll see you'll see if you had any hits
or and this is on your transcript well, which was
our interview.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
So that's so what what was that? That's something that
you're teaching your book.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
In one of my books that Signal and Noise focuses
primarily on remote viewing, and this is I teach a
very organic basic form of remote viewing. And this is
a remote viewing. This is related to the stuff done
from the seventies to the nineties in the military CIA
with the Stargate program. Probably still done in some government agencies,

(57:08):
but now it's there's the International Remote Viewing Association. Learn
about them at ERVA dot org, so people around the
world are learning to do this. It's basically clairvoyance with
a protocol. In one of the parts of the protocols
the six digits I gave you that represent the target,
you cet your intention to perceive information about the target,

(57:30):
and normally people will write down what they get you
and I did an interview style which is totally valid
and now here it's recorded. So when people click on
the link and see the target. And that's called feedback,
and you'll see your feedback. You'll see how well you did.
And feedback is the other another really important aspect. So
folks actually, yeah, they'll be able to click on the link.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
So folks that had hurt me, yeah, okay, wow. Yeah,
So you guys can also see if if I got something,
you know, that'd be interesting. But I want to know
what you guys get. So so you guys do the
same exercise, go to the link, all that good stuff,
comment below, like start blowing it up, Start telling me
where you went, what you saw, things like that. Give

(58:13):
me some descriptions as well. So I kind of follow
along and say, oh yeah, you got it right, you know,
send me a video. You guys got my got my
website in social media, so let's interact. That was fun.
I appreciate it, Sean, So okay, so let's get back
to to on track because I want to make sure
that I did that because I was curious how you
do that? So that was that was fun. I like that.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
That was probably the fast steps I've ever done that.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. It wasn't like
anything like you know, it wasn't anything like quiet and patient.
We're in front of I'm in front of a camera,
things like that. I got earphone, so probably wasn't the
best thing. So I probably took you guys somewhere else.
But again it was fine, guys. Yeah, we'll see all right, Sean.
So beyond all the knowledge and experiences that you've gained

(59:00):
thus far, with everything that you've done, what still leaves
you in awe or makes you question everything?

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Boy? Um, this might not be the kind of answer
you're expecting that. Every time I do a psychedelic journey
reminds me that I don't know anything, and it's always
an experience that leaves me in awe because I see
something new about the nature of reality, at least from
the perspective of a brain that has suddenly opened up

(59:28):
and is functioning differently. Reality is not how we perceive
it in a conscious state on a day to day basis.
We're just seeing a filtered version with our brain. So
psychedelics and meditation that mostly psychedelics, tear that reality away
and say, what's really out there is very different than

(59:48):
how we translate it through our eyes and our brains.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Dam that's so again, there is no right or wrong answer,
but I was not expecting that. That's very cool, and
this is why I like to keep the questions the
same for everybody, everybody always giving me something different. That
was cool. That's probably one of the best ones. Damn,
I wanted to ask you a thousand questions on that,
but maybe for another time. All right. Second question, Sean,

(01:00:12):
what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Learn how? And that means loving ourselves especially we're so
trained to be down on ourselves, to see ourselves as
evil or sinful or broken from the very beginning. We're
programmed that way, largely in this society, largely because of
religious conditioning, but it's everywhere that we're not good enough.

(01:00:37):
We have to learn that that is not true, and
we have to learn that other people are just as
sacred and lovable and forgivable as we are. And I
think it's the limitations of having a human body and
a certain timeframe from zero to one hundred years that's
usually more closely zero to eighty years. We have that
much time to learn how to open our hearts. Yeah, perspective,

(01:01:03):
and that has nothing to do with psychic functioning. Psychic
functioning not required to learn how to love.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, it just you Just by you saying that regarding
the between zero to eighty at least on average, just
made me think that some of these folks get to
that age and they're still trying to figure things out.
They're still trying to figure it out. They you know,
and it's like, I don't know, we label folks and

(01:01:31):
say like, oh, you've been around for a while, you
must know a lot of things, do they? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Anyways, Yeah, it could be an unreachable goal, you know.
Maybe it's just about the journey of trying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, I love that. Which is what you're doing, and
this is what I'm doing exploring through podcasting. Sean. The
next question is what is your definition of God?

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah, that's a dicey term for some based on my experience.
So this is not faith based. This is experience based.
I think it's the same thing as that universal consciousness
I was describing earlier, that it's more of something that
throughout the universe somewhere it's some part of the fabric

(01:02:15):
of reality, and it's sentient, like it reacts a response.
It knows that beyond that, I don't know what God
is and I really don't like falling into faith based
perspectives or Santa Claus based perspectives, you know what I mean,
like turning God into my security blanket. I don't like

(01:02:37):
that personally, so I you know, I'd refer to whatever
that is as the great mystery, which leads me very
little to hold on to. It's not going to serve
my ego. But I know there's got to be something
bigger than me out there. I know that because what
is it that's allowing mine? I think it's possibly the
same thing as what I was describing earlier, that consciousness

(01:03:00):
could be something that's throughout the universe, sort of almost
like gravity, space, time, something like that intrinsic to this reality,
but of course more than the physical reality, maybe even
more than what we know as the non physical reality.
I don't like thinking of God as a figure or
something that I can create a belief sism and turn

(01:03:22):
it into my security blanket or use something to divide people.
That's the tricky thing about the word God is that
because it's so subtle, The experience of God is so
subtle that you can develop any kind of belief system
around it to turn it into your version of it,
to use for egoic purposes, so try and stay away

(01:03:44):
from that. So and I really think again, with the
prefrontal cortex of the brain, it's not equipped to understand
what's more fundamental than the brain itself, you know, to
really understand that level of reality. I don't think we can.
Can God or consciousness reveal it self tell us in
different ways, I think. So I think that might be
I mean, just being alive in this body could be

(01:04:06):
an expression of that. Of course, being a sentient being
could just be the experience of God, you know. And
I think that might be the case that it could
be much bigger than that too. So what is God?
I don't know, but I think it's not the way
most human beings use that term. And that's probably gonna
have some set a few people that that's just where

(01:04:26):
I'm coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Again, there's no right or wrong answer to that. I mean,
if Sean Magnamara could answer what is God, then that
would be that would be outstanding, right, So there's no
expectation for you to know. It's just more of it's
more of, like, you know, everything that you've experienced up
to now, your current understanding, what is your definition of God?

(01:04:49):
And then everybody kind of has their own understanding of it.
Some people call it source right, or somebody call it
shishna or whatever. Everybody has a different way of doing it.
You know. I even if folks, you you guys know me.
You know, on my show and everything, I've mentioned that
I'm not guy with the capo G. I'm I'm a
god with the lower case G. Because of like how

(01:05:09):
you've had your experience when you left your body, that's
God like right there. And you know, I mean, who
knows if you explore that even more, the abilities that
you have, the places that that you can go, there's
nothing limited to you, you know, in that state of
form of beings, since you've proven to yourself that that

(01:05:32):
is your true state that you that Sean continues on
like that hands down or you're you're a lower case
G god, you know, you know in that sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Sure, And something about that statement too, Like one thing
I realized too when I had the autobout experiences was
that not all of me goes over there, and when
we die, this gray matter is not going over there either,
So are we entirely the same? On the other side,
I sort of tend to think we might not be.
And I know there are a lot of experiences out

(01:06:05):
there that say that we pretty much are the same personality.
I wonder if that's a temporary continuation or if it's permanent.
I don't know. I have doubts about it because right now, well,
we're live accommodation of what's operating in the brain and
non physical. But when we're dead, the brain is dead too,
and all the neural connections they don't go with us.

(01:06:26):
What you know, something doesn't go along, not everything goes along.
But I'm going off track. I know you're trying to
wrap it up, and I keep us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Going yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's that's that's beautiful. And though because people do ask
that question, there are people that say, even the guys
that just interviewed on my last episode, they believe that
they there from their own words, you are still the
same person. But the one factor that you just introduce
is for how long? That's a good question. I mean,

(01:06:56):
when you leave your body in the immediate area, whatever
that radius is, your Toronto feel, whatever the case is, Yeah,
you you you just left your body. So yeah, there's
a lot of you that is like your your your
meat suit. But then once you start going into like
dimensions or realms or getting far away from that meat suit,
that meet to becomes irrelevant. So damn, Sean, why do

(01:07:20):
you have to do that? Okay, that's for different Yeah, yeah, no,
I'm going to ponder on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
going to ponder on that. Out of all this, I'm
pondering just that, Sean. What is love?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
What is love?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
You know, clearly there are different definitions of it, but
I think we're talking about the big love. The big
love is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
How about this, Sean, Sean, I'm looking at more like
I'm looking at more like to your in your understanding
right now, whether it's higher consciousness or or Sean, the
meat suit and everything from as of right now where
you sit. You think love is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Love is the awareness beyond the self. So what that
really means is being able to honor everyone, every single
person's position in their life and their role in their life,
and our role. We have to be able to step
outside of ourselves. Like maybe I have beliefs and preferences

(01:08:21):
and prejudices, and love as a verb is how can
I get beyond those limitations and accept other people, in fact,
accept reality exactly as it is with an open, full heart,
instead of rejecting the people who don't fit my little
box of how people should be, rejecting societies, rejecting other

(01:08:44):
people's lifestyle preferences, instead of wishing the world would fit
in my little box. Can I step out of my box?
Can I burn the box and see that it's all sacred?
Everything in reality, everything on this planet is sacred just
as it is. And it's when we get into a
little tight selves, like with our beliefs and preferences and religions,

(01:09:06):
and this is this person's good, this person's bad, and
that lifestyle is bad, or and this one's better and
all that stuff. That's a tight little box. Love is
burning the box and seeing that the universe is pretty
perfect as it is. Live and let live man. Otherwise
you're rejecting reality itself. And that's a small minded way

(01:09:27):
to live life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
That's beautiful and it's well said as well said. Wow,
I'm just processing it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I mean to keep it on. Like we use the
word God earlier, there's that phrase God does not make mistakes.
Usually people use that term to criticize other people. I'm
using this term to help people, let go to help people,
let go, don't judge, accept love.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, I love it when people I love it when
people like can take common phrases that are used like
for a long time and then give a different spend
to it. You know, not a lot of people do that.
Not a lot of people. You know, just like you know,
like stuff like in the Bible verses and things like that,

(01:10:09):
you read it one way when you first read it,
and then you take that mindset throughout your entire life.
Have you ever not thought about you know, requestioning it again?
You know, after all your experiences, Like, isn't there a
new thought? So because you because you just said it,
you just said the only thing constant is changed. So yeah, okay,

(01:10:30):
And Sean, my last question to you is if you
could go back to little Sean and talk to him,
what would you tell him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. I've lived so much
life through fear, from childhood on to today even you know,
just want to encourage them, don't be afraid. Just go
for it, take a chance, do what you really want
to do, now what other people want you to do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
There's too many people doing that right now a lot
of what what mainstream calls people pleasers, right, yeah, I
know that there's a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Yeah, still working projects there, Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Yeah, we all are. We all are this in this
short time frame that we are having this. I always
tell folks, you know, we're we're spiritual beings having a
human experience, not the other way around. Everyone thinks, oh,
we're humans trying to get to a spirit. No no, no, no, no,
we were something else before we were this. That's that's
what you that's what you should recognize. I don't know

(01:11:25):
if I should say should but I did say it,
so we'll keep it in Sean. And before you go,
what where can people find you one more time?

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah? Mind possible? Trying the mailing list guy? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah absolutely. And Sean, is there a last
message that you want to tell the audience before I
go to my outro?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
No, just be yourself, be open, change happens, you know,
be optimistic, stay true to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Simple as that. Yeah. I love it. And folks, if
you if you enjoyed the show, if you were listening
or watching, if you're watching, subscribe, hit me with the
like and share with your friends, talk about it. At work,
talk about it, you know, with your family, friends, whatever.
And if you are listening to it again, you guys

(01:12:12):
can find me on Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, Deezer Spreaker,
whatever you name me. I'm on all the platforms and everything.
Just rate the show. That's what I want you to do.
Rate the show. Take your time right now, pull over
if you have to rate this show, because when you
rate the show, it helps the algorithm get this conversation

(01:12:35):
out of here and farther across the globe and even
beyond the frequency. Right, So just go ahead and just
keep this conversation going. Engage. Make comments. If you agree
or disagree to anything that was said in this conversation,
whether it was from me or from Sean, throw in
the comments. Let's talk about it. That's the whole point.
It's not about who's right and who's wrong. It's about

(01:12:56):
that we are engaging with each other, having a conversation
and if you have a better thought, hey, let's do
it right, let's talk about it. So with that being said, Sean, again,
I want to thank you for your time. I know
your time is valuable. You've gifted me, you gifted us
your time with your words, your experiences, your knowledge, your perspectives,
and we are all humbled and grateful for us. So again,

(01:13:19):
thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Sean. Well, thanks for having me on the show. I
really appreciate you to up sharing to talk to you
and your audience, and you're a great host. I had
so much fun and you're really good to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
So thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I love it. I absorb all that and I take
that into the next one. And with that being said, folks,
as a reminder, I love you, I see you, I
hear you, I am you. Continue to ask questions and
don't be afraid to pull back that current and take
a deeper look, always reaching beyond the frequency. Hey, folks,
before we leave the show, something that was not mentioned

(01:13:52):
during the recording of the ESP test was that I
mentioned to Sean offline that I kept seeing mountains out
of a window. I felt very confident about this, so
Sean was gracious enough to go to the targeted location
and send me the following recording. Disclaimer do now watch

(01:14:12):
this next video if you don't want a spoiler of
the ESP tests on the show. Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Hey Caesar at some point during our interview or after
you told me that the word mountain came to you
when you were working at remote viewing target that I
gave you that coordinate for. Well, here I am at
the location where I filmed the target, and it's at
Wings Over the Rockies, the Air, Air and Space Museum.
And what's crucial here is the word Rockies, which is

(01:14:40):
short for rocky mountains. So it's no surprise to me
that the word mountain came to you during the remo
viewing experiment. But also as I walk out here onto
the main street in front of the museum, it's a
cloudy day and I don't know if you can see
it from here, but all the way back there you
can start to see the foot hills to the mountains. Now,

(01:15:01):
today's kind of cloudy, so it's tough, but on a
clear day you'd be able to see the mountains from here. Anyway,
I want to congratulate you, Caesar, on doing a great
job with a remote viewing Take care,

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