April 25, 2025 • 57 mins
Join us in this thought-provoking episode as we dive into the intersection of science, faith, and global narratives. We explore the concept of evolution as a 'modern religion,' contrasting it with the beliefs of young Earth creationism. Along the way, we unravel theories surrounding the depopulation agenda and its implications for society. Whether you're a skeptic, a believer, or somewhere in between, this episode promises to challenge your perspectives and spark meaningful conversationsLinksemail:beyondtheparadigm@yahoo.comBeyond the Paradigm - YouTubeinstagram.com/paradigm1979twitter.com/paradigm_79(1) FacebookSupport The Showpatreon.com/BeyondTheParadigmbuymeacoffee.com/beyondthep5Guest Links
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M You're here because you know something. What you know
you can't explain, but you feel it. You felt it
your entire life. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The matrix?
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I had dreams that weren't just dreams. We accept the
reality of the world with which we're presented. It's as
simple as that. Billions of people just living out their
lives oblivious, they talks. You're good, Hey, do you believe
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their world?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You can deny all the things I've seen, all the
things I've discovered, not for once long, because too many
others know what's.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Happening on there, and no one.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
No government agency, has jurisdiction over the.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Truth beyond the paradigm. I'm your host, Paul Brakel. What
a pleasure it is to be back again off the
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Will leave all links in the show description, but the
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would be really appreciated. Now, my guest today is Dr
Kent Hovind. For those of you who aren't familiar with
Dr Hovind, he's a Baptist preacher. He is an apologist.
He's a researcher, he's an author. Many of his videos
have had a lot of views online, some into the millions.
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So some of you I know do know Dr Hovind,
and I actually want to apologize for the audio on
this episode. Particularly it's my audio, to be honest with you.
When I listened to it back when I was editing it,
it does sound for some reason very echoway. Don't know why.
I haven't moved my setup to another room. It was
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all set up as usual, but it sounds particularly echoway
like the acoustics in the room are poor. So I
do apologize for that, and hopefully it doesn't spoil your
enjoyment of the episode. I would say, though Dr Hoven's
audio is fine. When Dr Hoven is speaking, he does
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most of the speaking, his audio is fine. I'm just
not sure what happened with regards to my own audio.
Don't know whether I need a new microphone or not.
And secondly, what I want to say is about a
question that I asked Dr Hoven regarding flat Earth. Dr
Hoven's not a flat earther, and he says that it
can be easily proved. I would say that I'm not
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a flat earther, and I'm not a globe birther. I
do make a comment on the show saying that the
Bible doesn't teach the Earth is flat. If you've listened
to my Flat Earth Theory episode, which is the most
popular episode, I had a guest on there who was
a flat earther. I was just curious about it. I
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can't say dogmatically the Earth is flat, the Earth is round, whatever,
But the point is I don't believe the Bible teaches
a flat Earth, and it's not relevant to our salvation
whether I believe the Earth is flat or round or hollow.
So we need to make that very clear on this
show that it's not a selvivific issue whether you believe
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the Earth is flat or not.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I get the.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Impression from some people who are flat earthers that they
don't believe that someone is a Christian unless they believe
in flat earth. Well, let me tell you something. One
thing makes someone a genuine Christian, and that's believing in
Jesus Christ. You can believe in flat earth and go
to Hell, and you can believe in globirth and go
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to Heaven. And the only difference is is if the
glob Birther believes in Jesus and the flat earth doesn't.
That's the difference. But you can be a flat Earth
and go to Heaven and you can be a globe
birth and go to Hell. Because the flat Earth I
might believe in Jesus, the globe Birther might not. So
let's not get distracted with minor issues. And it is
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a minor issue in the grand scheme of thing what
shape the earth is, because you can believe, like I said,
whatever shape you believe it is, you can still go
to Hell if you reject Jesus Christ. So it is
a minor issue when comparing it to what you really
should be believing. Moving on from that, just want to
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make a comment about the death of the pope. As
people will know who have listened to my podcast for
some time, I've done a number of episodes regarding the
Roman Catholic Church with her previous guest Johnny Serrucci. Both
Johnny and I are ex Roman Catholics, and were ex
Roman Catholics for a reason, because there's no salvation in
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the Roman Catholic Church and the pope is not the
vicar of Christ. And the most recent pope who's now died.
Pope Francis now knows this for a fact. But we
shouldn't be gloating over the death of another human being.
But the Bible is clear regarding these deceivers. In two
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Timothy three thirteen, it says evil men and seducers shall
wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived. So make
no mistake about it. The Pope was a deceiver, but
he was also deceived. He was deceived by the lies
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of the devil, and he died under this deception outside
of the grace of God. Now, obviously you're going to
see the funeral if you have a television. I don't
bother when it comes on. If the television's on in
the background, I pay no attention whatsoever to what they're
saying about the pope, because they're talking about him being
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a great man, a man of God, a man of faith.
He's not a great man. He wasn't a great man.
He wasn't a man of faith. He was a man
who was leading an institution that he's leading millions. In fact,
more than millions, it's into the billions. Because I believe
that the population of Roman Catholics on the earth is
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something like one point three billion. So that's one point
three billion people who were being deceived by the Roman
Catholic Church. And for Christians who don't fully understand regarding
the Roman Catholic Church, just a quick explanation, it's not
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another denomination because I believe that a lot of so
called Protestants these days, Evangelical believers with emphasis on the jelly,
especially in these charismatic churches where it's like a disco
and there's lights and there's people on stage dancing around.
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These people don't understand because they're not being taught the Bible.
They think it's just another sort of denomination of Christianity.
Well it isn't. So for those of you who are
new to the faith. I can't emphasize this strongly enough.
The Roman Catholic Church is not Christian. It's anti Christian.
Just like Mormonism or the Jovis Witnesses, they're not Christian denominations.
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Neither is the Roman Catholic Church. Now that's enough for me.
What I would say about this episode days, I believe
it would be helpful to people who are maybe nervous
about sharing the faith. Are also people that are new
to the faith. Dr Hovind is an apologist and he
has had many debates with atheists over the years. His
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expertisees in debating atheists and teaching creationism. So hopefully you'll
pick up a few helpful tips from Dr Hovin do
on ways to answer atheist because we are in a
battle and a lot of people are atheists. I come
across from all the time living here in the UK,
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more atheists than believers by far.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Most people just.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Take the Big Bang theory has been a fact, or
evolution has been a fact, as in macro evolution. When
I'm talking about evolution, because there's different sorts of evolution,
but I'm speaking about macro evolution. They believe that a
species can basically become another species and they take this
in fact, they've never done any research, but that's what's
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on the television. And they believe that the Bible's a fairytale.
So hopefully this will be helpful to those of you
that come across atheists in your daily life and have
to deal with them on a daily basis. So that's
enough for me, and I'm now going to go and
bring Dr Kent Hovind onto the show.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well for the first time on Beyond the Paradigm. Dr
Kent Hovind, welcome.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Thank you for having me. It's honored to be with you.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It's a real pleasure to have you on.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And as I usually do with a guest who's only
been on for the first time, just quickly, could you
just tell us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Like I said to you, just a little bit. Are
faur there?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I am pretty certain a lot of people who listen
to this podcast are going to know who you are.
But just for those who possibly may not know who
you are, just tell us who you are and what
you do.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, Well, my name's Ken k and t like you
have a city over there and you're in England or
named Kent. I believe we have a name, yeah, yeah,
last name Hovin. I've been a Baptist preacher for fifty years.
I taught high school science in math for fifteen years,
and since nineteen eighty nine I've been a full time evangelist,
teaching on science and the Bible. I believe the Bible
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is absolutely scientifically accurate and evolution theory is the dumbest
and most dangerous religion ever fostered on mankind. There's nothing
but a religion. There's no evidence at all for this
dumb evolution idea. I've had three hundred and eighty seven
debates with atheists. I'll take on anybody you've got over there.
My most famous one, I was debating three at once
at every Riddle Aeronautical University, and one professor said, where
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did God come from? My two minute long answer as
nine hundred and fifteen million views. Watch that if you
want to see why they don't want to debate us.
Over here, we believe the Bible's true. We have a
camp in southern Alabama called Dinosaur Adventure Land. It's all free,
been open for nine years and five days. It's all
about science in the Bible. One hundred and forty eight
or seventeen lakes, twelve thousand square foot science center. You
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can see it. It's a phenomenal. God's really been good.
Some of God's kids drive me crazy, but God is good.
Come out over.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, I agree on that about some of God's children,
But there you go.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'm sure I've annoyed a few people over the years anyway.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So yeah, what what I wanted to do is sort
of this episode is one where I want to ask
some questions that are going to be helpful for younger
believers or believers who may be a little bit wary
about sharing the faith or intimidated. So in your obviously
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you've you've been doing this a long time, what would
you said the most powerful evidence is in your view
that supports a younger from sort of a scientific standpoint
and a scriptural standpoint.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, you can get my videos which cover all this,
I think see that on screen there doctordiino dot com.
Top left hand corner is my website. We've got thousands
of videos up there that teach all that you can
go for a long time. The Bible says that God
made everything in six days. That's in the Ten Commandments.
God wrote that on a rock with his finger in
six days. The Lord made heaven in earth, And that's
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the only way it works. The creation is so complex
with symbiotic relationships. Certain animals require certain plants, Certain plants
require certain animals to pollinate them, just back and forth.
There are literally probably millions of symbiotic relationships that cannot
be explained with slow gradual accumulation of new data. We
never see any animal produce anything other than it same kind.
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Cows always have baby cows every time. Now, if you
wish to imagine different in the past or someplace else where,
we can't see it. That's imagination. That's why evolution is
a religion. You have to believe it. The Bible dates
if you add them up. We've got a chart right here.
Let's see. We use for placemats to feature skeptic friends.
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Ups it. But the Bible dates if you add them up,
for it says Adam was one hundred and thirty when
Seth was born, and Seth was one hundred and five
when his son was born. If you add up all
the Bible dates, the Bible teaches the earth is about
six thousand years old, not millions, not billions, for sure.
And so the Bible clearly teaches a six day creation
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about six thousand years ago, which of course raises lots
of questions like what about dinosaurs? What about the ice age? Well,
how did the light from the stars get here? And
that's why my seminar series is eighteen hours long, talking
as fast as I can go. You can get the
whole thing for fifty bucks.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
When I first started my ministry thirty five years ago,
I made videos of what my teaching on creation. Now
I used to loan out the videos. I learned right away.
Christians don't steal, but they borrow and never return, don't.
We sell them for fifty bucks. When you're done, send
it back at your money back. Okay. But meanwhile, I
got the fifty bucks and you got the video. There's
eighteen hours and you can get that, and then it
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really strengthen your faith in the Word of God. I
tell people, if you watch a seminar, when you're done,
you're going to say, Wow, the Bible is true. And
then about a week later you're going to sit up
in bed in the middle of the night and say, oh, no,
the Bible's true. This changes everything. Yeah, it better change everything.
Our goal of our ministry here. If you're not saved,
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we want to get you saved. We're going to try
to get you converted. Okay. Secondly, if you're saved and
you have questions or doubts, we want to strengthen your
faith in the Word of God. You can count on it. See,
before the flood came, the people lived to be nine
hundred years old. Reptiles never stop going. What would happen
if a lizard could live to be nine hundred years old,
it would be a dinosaur. The dinosaurs were big lizards
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with Adam and Eve. They did not live millions of
years ago. They're part of the normal creation. And Thirdly,
if you're saved and you're not doing much for the Lord,
I'm going to try to make you uncomfortable. There's a
war going on. Soldier. If you're not going to shoot,
carry bullets, pay for the bullets, do something. Everybody should
do something for the Kingdom of God that they're like.
Quit getting distracted on stupid stuff like chasing Zel or
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whatever that is. Okay, we want to get people fired.
I'd be glad to debate any atheists or agnostics you've
got over there. You got a bunch in your country.
I'll take them all on same time. I get half
the time, one topic at a time. They began teaching
of two hundred years ago that the layers of the
Earth are different ages. They made up the geologic column.
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Did you know that geologic column does not exist any
place in the world. There is no geologic column. Doesn't exist.
I keep asking the guys. Okay, guys, you're telling me
if the top layer is younger, where did it come
from How can these layers be different ages? They can't
possibly be different ages. All the layers are the same age. Top,
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They're all a respect of dirt in the universe is
the same age. Whether six thousand or six trillion, they're
all the same age. But anyway, we have about fifty
thousand slides I use in my presentation to get everything documented.
Look it up. There's all kinds of ways to prove
the Earth simply cannot be billions of years old. The
Moon is going around the Earth. I think most people
agree with that. As the Moon goes around the Earth,
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the Moon's gradually getting farther away. Google receding Moon. The
Moon is leaving us an inch and a half every year. Okay,
well that would mean it used to be closer. How
close can you bring it before that starts causing problems
like higher tides, and eventually, like two magnets, you get
them too close, they snap together, called the inverse square law.
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They know they've done all the math on this. They
say one point two billion years ago, the Moon Earth
orbit would collapse one billion. Why are we telling the
kids in school it's four point six billion years old?
It can't be so I cover my video number one,
probably thirty different scientific ways to show this Earth is
not billions of years old. Video number two we talk
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about the Garden of Eden. Why did they live to
be nine hundred years old? What was different? What caused this?
This cannot be of water that used to be overhead.
The Bible says there was water above the firmament. Let's
see right here. People before the flood lived to be
nine hundred How do you do that? And then after
the flood it dropped off to four hundred, two hundred
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and one hundred from Genesis eleven. Now you add up
the dates, you're going to get about six thousand years
for the age of the earth. Adam lived long enough
to meet Noah's daddy. How much information could they pass on?
I mean the knowledge would have been phenomenal back then.
Adam came with a fully loaded computer. When God made him,
he could walk, talk, name the animals, and get married
first day. Then he walked with God for one hundred years,
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probably before they sin. God taught him all kinds of things,
and then he lived long enough to pass this on
to lay Mik Noah's daddy. So I think we get
this idea that people in the past were stupid and
we're smart, exactly the opposite. Okay, and Noah's sun Shm
lived long enough to meet Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But
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I think we really got a wrong idea about this prehistory.
They're consisting as prehistoric because history from day one. But
before the flood came, there was water above the firmament.
My video number two covers all this. I believe there
was a crystal canopy over the earth. That stuff on
here someplace. You need to watch the video series. It's
a little model we have here. If there was a
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crystal canopy above the earth, above the atmosphere. Read Genesis
one and two. God said there was water above the firmament.
And you keep reading it says the birds fly in
the firmament. Well, uh, that's the atmosphere. So there used
to be water above the atmosphere, probably a layer of ice.
The Jews have always taught there was a two or
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three finger thick layer of ice above the atmosphere when
God first made it. That would do several things. It
would squeeze all the air down into maybe ten miles.
Our air today goes out it's fifty miles. If you
squeezed all the air down into ten miles with a
crystal canopy overhead, it would increase air pressure, making it
breathing much easier. If you ever climb a really tall mountain,
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it's hard to breathe up there, they're too thin. But
if it's all squeezed down to ten miles, everybody would
have easier time breathing. They say, an eighty foot a patosaurus,
This guy have nostrils the same size as a horse.
How's he going to breathe? And real small lungs, small
lung small nostrils and an eighty foot animal. Well, that's
because they were breathing richer oxygen thirty five percent and
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compressed air. So we cover all this on video number two.
What happened That crystal canopy also would block out ultraviolet light.
UV light cannot penetrate ice very deeply. That means they
could have almost no carbon fourteen. In the time from
the creation up until the flood, there was probably almost
no carbon fourteen being formed. So we dig up the
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fossils that they find from that flood and we try
to date them with today's atmospheric percentage of see fourteen.
We're using the wrong ruler, it looks like, oh wow,
they're thousands or millions of years old when they're only
forty five hundred years old. Because they got the wrong ruler.
They're not allowing for the Bible says the scoffers in
the last days would be willingly ignorant of how God
made the heabuns plural. I cover that tonight on my show.
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If you go to doctor Dino dot com where we
took us off of YouTube again, around like seven or
eight other channels. They're all listed on Doctor Dino, go
to Rumble or Twitter one of those, and tonight at
seven o'clock Central time, they'll be covering Psalm chapter one
oh two and helping to talk about the heavens plural
in Genesis one to one. It's heaven singular. If your
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Bible says heavens plural, throw it away. You got the
wrong Bible. Okay, it's King James the where you want
to be. So the earth has six layers today, there
used to be a seventh layer of ice that would
increase their pressure that would also block out UV light,
explaining one of the reasons why they live to be
nine hundred and how dinosaurs could get so huge animals
are almost all kinds of animals are found in fossil
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form that are huge by today's standard. Two foot grasshoppers,
there's none of those around today. Three foot dragonflies, none
of those are. Eight foot b vers have been found fossilie.
So it was just a different world before the flood came.
That crystal canopy would block out UV light and it
could have been held up by either the erth magnetic field,
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because super cold ice is magnetic, or it could have
been held up like by air pressure, like a big
inflatable building. There are some really big building, but either way,
there was a canopy of ice overhead. So I cover
all that video number two and where So dinosaurs lived
with Adam and Eve. Then Noah took him on the arc.
People say dinosaurs on the arc they're kind of big.
I think, well, the big ones were big, but the
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little ones were little. And Noah was six hundred years
old when he built that boat. He's smart enough to
know I don't have to bring the biggest ones I find.
Bring two babies. Just be sure to get a penguin
out of blue one. There's all kinds of reasons for
bringing babies. They're smaller, they eat less, they poop less,
they weigh less, and they can sleep more. You're going
to go keep them on the boat for a year,
let them sleep, let hibernate. You know so, and plus
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after the flood, they would live longer to produce more babies.
And that's why you're bringing them like dou It's not
complicated to figure out. But anyway, I cover lots of
stuff on my video series, and one of my video,
number four or is one of my favorite lies in
the textbooks. You can get this part of the series
or get it by itself go on our website doctor
Dino dot com. But there are thirty, at least thirty
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basic lies. There's still teaching the kids to help them
believe in evolution. These lies have been proven wrong years ago.
They're still teaching them because that's all they've got. There
is no evidence for evolution. I do a show every
Thursday and Friday night to call in show seven o'clock Central.
I say evolution is a pagan the dumbest and most
dangerous pagan religious cult ever invented. Prove me wrong, tell
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them call in, show me where I'm wrong. Nothing but
a cult, nothing but a religion, you have to believe
in evolution. There's no science to back it up Anyway'm
sorry for Labrin. Your show go ahead. What else you
want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
No, it's fine.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
So I mean I'm a six day literal creation. It's
like yourself, but not all Christians are. What would you
say to Christians about six day creation? Like, why it's
important to believe in that?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well? For certainly, God said in the Ten Commandments Exodus
twenty and again in Exodus thirty one that he made
everything in six days? Well did he or didn't he?
Is he lying? Jesus said in Matthew nineteen four and
Mark ten to sixth that the creation of Adam was
the beginning? Well was it or wasn't? It was Jesus lying?
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Was he stupid? Or was he right? We've got so
many Christians trying to squeeze evolution in millions of years
into the Bible. Stop it doesn't fit. It's not The
earth is not millions of years old. You don't need
to squeeze it in. Don't compromise. Make it real clear.
The Bible is correct. God made everything in sixty eight.
The Bible says nothing died until Adam sin Man brought
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death into the world Romans five and Romans eight, Romans
five and First Corinthians fifteen. Well, evolution says, oh, millions
of things died before man even got here. It's exactly
the opposite of what the Bible teaches. So those Christians
are compromising with the devil, tell him knock it all.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's the devil inverting everything again.
And obviously there is Christians who do believe in evolution
as part of God's creative process. Unfortunately, in today's sort
of culture and the moral and scientific relative relativism of today,
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how can teaching creation sort of restore or help to
restore faith in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, I've asked atheists many many times, never get an answer.
I say, guys, if evolution is true, how do you
tell right from raw? Where's the standard for right and raw?
We have all kinds of standards. We have standards of
weights and measures, and you know, you guys use metric
system over there. We use English standard system. Here, where's
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the standard for right and wrong? See? Christians have a standard. Thus,
saith the Lord. We decide right and wrong based on
what God said is right and wrong. Atheists don't have that.
I ask him a simple question. I say, guys, would
it be wrong for you to go next door and
kill your neighbor's baby and eat it?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well the lion does it to the zebra all the time.
Is it wrong for the lion to go kill next
door and kill the zebra baby and eat it. I'll
tell you what if you think that's wrong, why don't
you go to Africa and hold up a sign in
front of the lion stop eating the zebra baby. I
will pay for the sign for you to go hold
it up. I want to watch that. Where's the standard
for right and wrong? See, when we teach our kids' evolution,
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people don't understand. You're removing all their moral foundation. How
do you tell right from wrong? They don't have that.
We need to get back to the Bible standard. And
I see, evolutions are religion, but it's a tax supported religion.
That's the only religion that receives tax support. Where all
the public schools teach that, and they get paid to
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teach another religion. You don't need any evolution to learn science.
Evolution is not part of science. I tried to science
for fifteen years. No doctor on the planet thinks about evolution.
When you're doing surgery on somebody, he better know his anatomy.
This is the deltroid, the biceps, the triceps, the humors,
the flexors, the extenders that you know, the carpal bones.
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You better know your anatomy. Evolution has got nothing to
do with it. It's not part of science. But it's
been mixed in with science for so long people think
it belongs. I tell people, you know, beer has been
sold at football games for a long time. Beer has
nothing to do with football. And beer does not become
athletic by association with football, okay, And evolution does not
become science because it's associated with science. It's stuck in
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our books. I know. I'm sorry. I'm trying to get
it out, but it's not part of science.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
No, it's one hundred percent not.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I mean I remember when I was in school quite
a few years ago. But yeah, it's just in the
It's just in the textbooks as fact. And the problem
is people don't question it because this authority figure is
put in front of these children and he's dirt teacher,
she's their teacher, or whoever, and they're the authority figure.
Therefore what they're saying must be true. And that's you know,
(28:07):
that's obviously part of the dissection, isn't it. And it's
not People don't use critical thinking skills unfortunately, and some people,
you know, obviously maybe frightened to question. But this is
what this podcast is all about, always telling people do
your own research, ask questions, use critical thinking skills. Now,
(28:29):
you actually mentioned this a little earlier, but it's it's
one of them questions that it has been asked multiple
times of you, I'm sure, and I've listened to a
debate where this question was asked, and you gave an
absolutely killer answer to this question. And in my opinion,
the question is obviously something a child would ask.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But I'm going to ask it you. Where did God
come from?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah? I was doing a debate with three professors at
the same time at every real aeronautical university, and he said,
did God come from? My two men? In answer has
nine hundred and fifty million views. You can get it
on YouTube and all kinds of channels. Okay, it came
from God, it didn't come from me. Well, the question
is invalid. If I was to ask you why our
elephants orange so I can't answer that question because they're
(29:17):
not orange. So the five words where did God come from?
Four of them do not apply to God. Where involves distance,
you mean God has to move someplace. God's already everywhere,
He's in everything did involve time, past, present, future. God's
not stuck in time. We are stuck in time. We
(29:38):
can't go back. And have you ever wished you could
go back in time just five seconds to undo the
dumb thing you just did? Yeah, we're stuck in time.
God's not stuck in time. This is not twenty twenty
five in heaven. He's right now standing at your funeral.
He sees it all, he knows it all. So the
question where did God come from? Is assuming a limited God,
(29:58):
there are three things and matter. They have to come
into existence in the right order. You have to have
time first, Then you have to have space. Then you
have to have matter. If you had matter and no space,
where would you put it? If you had matter and
no time, when would you put it? The Bible answers
that in ten words. In the beginning, they're time. God
created the heaven, their space, and the Earth matter, time, space,
(30:22):
matter in ten words, and each of those is also
a trinity. Time has past, present, future. You can't have
just one by itself. As soon as you create one,
you've got the other two. Space has three dimensions linked
with and hype. You cannot have just one. There no
sich thing as one or two dimensional space. I taught
geometry for years. You know we use symbols like a
(30:44):
circle and a square and a triangle. Theoretically they don't exist.
They're purely theoretical. Soon as you draw the circle on
your paper, the thickness of your ink now turned it
into a cylinder. So in reality, circles don't exist except
in the imagination. They're practical and handy. I understand that.
And then time, time, space, and matter comes in three
(31:05):
flavors solid liquid gas, a plasma justice the hotter gas
is all. So we have a trinity of trinities in
only ten words. And the God who created time, space
and matter is not limited by any of them. He's
outside of time, space, matter. I told the professor at
the university at the debate, I said, the guy that
made this computer is not in the computer running around
changing the numbers on the screen. He's not locked in
(31:27):
the computer. God is not locked into his creation we
are locked into his creation, not him. So the God
that I worship, if I could fit the infinite God
in my three pound brain, he wouldn't do with worship.
And that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
That's the problem. They have their own version of God
when they're asking you that question, they have their own
version of God. And a lot of the.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Time it comes from sort of, you know, paintings that
michelangel have done of some old man in the sky
with a white beard.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
They just that's what they're assuming, that it is an
old man in the sky. And obviously that's not the
God we worship because he is spirit. He's not as spirit.
He is spirit. Now, obviously you've got dinosaurs on your
desk there and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Where did they fit in the biblical timeline? In your view?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Well before the flood came, the people lived to be
nine hundred years old. Reptiles never stopped growing. The dinosaurs
are part of the norm creation. With Adam and Eve
in the Garden of Eden, they were all friendly. All
the animals were vegetarian. If you read Genesis chapter one
and two, God said, I've given all the animals, herbs, plants,
and seeds to eat. Then after the flood was over
(33:13):
in Genesis chapter nine, God said, Noah, now you can
eat meat, and the animals are going to be afraid
of you. The fear of you and the dread of
you shall be upon every beast of the earth. So
that changed at the flood for maybe several reasons we
cover on video number two. So dinosaurs short version. They
were big lizards that lived with Adam and Eve. Noah
took them on the arc, probably babies. After the flood,
(33:35):
they either died out in the new climate because that
crystal canopy that used to compress the air was now gone,
and maybe some of them could not even live long
enough to reach reproductive age, so they went extinct, or
people were hunting them. They called them dragons. See the
word dinosaur wasn't made up till eighteen forty one, so
for most of human history they called them dragons, and
many were extremitated Over there in Wales. Isn't the crest
(33:58):
of whales a dragon on a fly? Yeah? They yeah, yeah,
there are lots of stories of dragons and people killing dragons.
Bale Wolf slew a dragon, Prince George slew a dragon.
You know, I cover that on video number three all
about evidence of dinosaurs being killed off by man calling
some other name besides Dragon Leviathan Behemoth in Jobe chapter forty,
and there might be a few still alive smaller. There's
(34:20):
a swamp in Africa that's bigger than the whole state
of Alabama. Right I live one swamp called the Likawallas
Swamp in the middle of Africa, Congo, Africa. There have
been many expeditions into that swamp where they claim there
are still dinosaurs alive twenty foot long. If you show
this to the natives that live over there, they will say, oh,
that's vocally I'm bembi. Don't get close, he'll kill you
with his tail. They see them, they're still alive. No, no,
(34:43):
they're not eighty feet long, but they're still twenty feet long.
And it's the same animal, just the smaller versions. They've
adapted to the less oxygen. I guess so the eleven
thousand people swear they've seen the loch Ness Monster. If
eleven thousand people claim they've seen something, maybe they've seen
something regarding dinosaurs.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I mean, I've spoken to different people over the years
who don't believe they existed at all. I mean, because
I do know that if you go to the Natural
History Museum in London and you ask them regarding the
sort of dinosaur bones that they have on display, they
will admit that they're not sort of the original bones,
(35:24):
that they're the original bones are not the ones that
are on display. And when you ask them, well we're already.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
They go, oh, well, we've got them in the basement.
And you say, well have you ever seen them? And
they'll be like, well, no, I haven't seen them. So
there's a lot of skeptics who sort of say, well, yeah, there.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Might have been some of these big lizards about, and
obviously we know the word dinosaur, like you said eighteen.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Forty one, But in terms of the range of dinosaurs
that were told existed, I mean, how many are realistic?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Because they have this whole backstory, don't they regarding dinosaurs
and how they sounded and they moved, and what size
they were and how it was killed. I mean, in reality,
what what's your what's your view on the range of
dinosaurs that there is?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Would you say.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That it's not it's not a battle worth fighting? Let
them let them pick the make up all the names
you want, okay, Uh. The real battle worth fighting is
when did they live? As far as finding the bones
and putting them together, and did it look like that?
I don't know. I don't care. It doesn't matter when
they lived. I think it's important because the Bible says
nothing died till Adam sin. So I think sometimes they
(36:30):
put the real bones in the basement to protect them,
because they make a replica because in case somebody steals
other smashes that are herd set or something to them. See,
that's sacred to them. Have those fossils are supports to
represent ancestors. They make it. Keep talking in the debates
I do with them about the fossil record, I say, guys,
there is no fossil record. There are fossils by the trillions,
(36:50):
but there's no record. When you find bones in the dirt,
you should notice none of them talk, and none of
them have a date stamped on them. There's no fossil record.
There are fossils. When you find bones in the dirt,
all you really know is it died. You do not
know it had any children. You sure don't know it
had children that were different. No animal today can produce
(37:12):
anything other than their kind. Cows have baby cow, sheep
have baby sheep, Turtles have baby turtles. There are no exceptions, none.
Nobody's ever seen one exception to that. If you wish
to believe otherwise, great, you and SpongeBob have a wonderful time.
But it's nothing but imagination. So there is no fossil
record the dinosaur. What as far as what they look like,
did they put it together? Right? I don't care. That
matters to me. When they live, that's important. Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
No, you've expressed skepticism regarding climate change narrative, and I'm
skeptical as well. What do you think Why do you
think it's being pushed so hard this climate change?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, in any sport, basketball, football, doesn't matter that one team.
Each team has a goal. What are you trying to do?
Let's take basketball for instance. That the guy the player
wants to put the ball through that hoop behind me.
If I'm on defense, my job is to prevent him
from getting through that hoop to throw the ball through.
(38:12):
He might fake write, fake left, etc. But his goal
doesn't change. His goal is that hoop? Right? What is
Satan's goal in this world? When in the garden of Eden.
After Adam and Eve Sinn the Lord passed out their punishment.
He said to the serpent, you got to crawl on
your belly. Well, there's no curse to crawl on your
belly if you're already crawling on your belly. So he
(38:33):
must have had either legs or arms or wings or
maybe all three. I don't know. We'll find out heaven.
And he told the woman you're going to have pain
and child bearing. And he told man, you got to
work for a living now, okay. Then he told the
serpent though, he said, someday some seed of the woman
is going to bruise your head. So Ever, since that day,
Satan's goal has been to try to reduce the population
of the earth to zero. Kill everybody however you can do.
(38:56):
It doesn't matter. Start a war, it doesn't matter who wins.
People die, you know what I mean? Like the bankers
win every war. They loan money to the arms manufacturers
and they don't care when just please shoot up more bullets.
We're ruining your money. So Satan's goal is to reduce
the population, I think. But when Herod wanted to kill
baby Jesus in Bethlehem, what did he do killed all
(39:18):
the babies, right, doesn't care. He doesn't know who's going
to bruise his head, but he's trying to kill every
human being alive. His goal is to reduce the population
and this climate change, but loaning is is a big
part of that. Reduce the population anyway, you can't, whether
it be through the pharmaceutical method you know, or through wars,
or through abortion, or through euthanasia, or if you teach them,
(39:42):
you know, homosexuality, those guys don't reproduce, you know, all
these things are The goal is to reduce the population.
It's all satanic.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah. I thought it was a little bit about this
on the last episode, regarding the depopulation agenda, And obviously
it's multifaceted. And of abortion is a big deal because
abortion kills more human beings every year than World War two,
world War One put together.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
It's in the millions.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
And obviously, like you mentioned, the homosexuals can't reproduce. And
that's what I said, I said on my last episode,
I said, prove me wrong on this, but I'm saying
that two biological males or two biological females who were
together can't have children. No one's commented yet to prove
me wrong, So I'm not expecting anyone anytime soon to.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Do it either.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Now, what I wanted to talk to you about is obviously,
you know, we talked a lot about creation, and we
talk about dinosaurs and things, and that's like your area
of expertise, but you talk about other things as well,
and you have.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Opinions on other things.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
So with regards to one of the topics that we
do cover on this podcast, and I've had a number
of guests on is the UFO phenomena, what's your take.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
On Well, UFOs are unidentified flying objects, either their imaginary
people got too much vodka or something and they're seeing
something that doesn't exist, or they are top secret government
craft they've had for many years around airplane that flies
if the deep on my video number seven question answered
(41:20):
people ask somebody asked me that question, so I told
them what I know about it. Again, it's not a battle.
I think it's worth fighting. I think some of it's
probably demonic getting ready for the rapture because Satan knows
somebday the Lord's going to come down, blow a trumpet
and catch the Christians up, and Satan wants to have
a cover story. Oh, the UFOs came and got them.
People say, do hoping. Do you think there's intelligent life
on other planets? I say no. I taught high school
(41:42):
fifteen years. There's not much intelligent life on this planet.
But the Bible says eb is the mother of all living.
You can't get around that. Biblically, there's no intelligent life
anywhere else. Scientifically, there's no evidence for it. You can
believe whatever you want, but it's not there's no scientific
evidence for it at all. Right, let somebody else fight
(42:04):
that battle. I want to stick on evolution.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
What's your view of Flotster theory.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Well, I think that's a distraction. The Kansas is flat
and the rest of the world's round. Okay, I think
it's been proven. I think it's a distraction to make
Christians look stupid, and it's working. The Earth is round.
It's easy to prove that. You know. Sometimes the Moon
going around the Earth at a ten degree angle, so
it doesn't always go between us and the Sun because
(42:32):
of that ten degree angle. But occasionally the moon goes
between us and the Sun and the moon casts a
shadow on the Earth and it's eclipse. But sometimes the
Moon's on the other side, and we cast a shadow
on the moon the eclipse, lunar eclipse, and our shadow
on the moon is always round, no matter what time
of day it is, no matter what time of that
(42:54):
proves the Earth is round. Just that one fact proves
is round. It's not a battle worth fighting for me.
We have a book somebody else wrote, how to Prove
the Earth is Can you find that, Joseph. It's a book.
We sell it in our bookstore, Falling Flat. I know
they got in the bookstore. It's okay. Go to our
website doctor Diner dot com. The title is falling Flat.
(43:16):
It's about this thing, all the proof the Earth is
not flat. It's said. It's making a lot of Christians
look stupid. They think the Bible teaches that. The Bible
does not teach that.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
I have done an actual episode on it, and it
was actually and still is my number one episode.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I had someone on who was a flat Earth for
And I was.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Saying, I was just asking the questions, and I actually
said on that podcast that the Bible doesn't teach the
Earth is flat. I said, it doesn't really teach. It
doesn't teach what shape it is. But like you said that.
You know, they are adamant that the Bible does teach
that the earth is flat, and a lot of them
believe that. If you don't believe it is flat, then
(44:01):
you're probably not even a Christian, which is just absolutely.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know, it's just way out there as far as
I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Bible says God sits on the circle of the Europe.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah you is, Isaiah, Yeah, ok. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Now you've questioned sort of mainstream narratives around the COVID
nineteen vaccinations.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
So what concerns do you have about medical or the
political response to that plan. Well, well, we'll not call
it pandemic, but the plandemic, What do you think went
on there? What's your view of the whole sort of
scenario and what do you think the endgame was for them?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well, again, the goal of the same reduced the population
and it worked. People die. I tell people, if a
doctor says that one of vaccinature baby, you see, doctor,
how much do you weigh twenty My baby weighs, you know,
ten pounds. You weigh twenty two times more than my baby.
You take twenty two of these shots. Right now. I'll
(45:05):
come back, and I'll come back in two weeks and
if you're still kicking, you can give my baby the shot.
That would be fair, wouldn't it. That'd be a realistic
scientific Testee. If the Bible is true, then God wants
everybody to have a lot of kids. He told Adam
any first thing, go have a bunch of kids. And
but say Satan wants the opposite. So I ask people
(45:27):
this question. Do you think the gas companies want everybody
to have cars they get five hundred miles to the gallop?
Would you like to have a car that got five
hundred miles to the gallopy? Yeah? Yeah? Do the gas
companies want you to have a car like that?
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Not a chance?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
No? Okay, they have a financial interest in this. Okay.
Do the do the Ford and Chevy and General Motors
and your British car makers over there. Do they want
cars to last five hundred thousand miles? No, they want
you to buy a new one every couple of years. Right.
Does the doctor want everybody to be healthy? What if
(46:05):
everybody in the world was perfectly healthy, they'd be out
of work with me. Yeah. So now I think they're
highly trained, and many are very sincere dedicated. I'm not
anti doctor. Okay, but I think they got to stop
and look, what's your motive here? Do you really want
people to be healthy? Does if you see, if you
have a pain, if you went to a mechanic and said, wow,
my car's making a funny noise. He listens to your
(46:28):
car and she said, oh, here, put these headphones on.
You won't hear it anymore. Excuse me. I don't want
you to fix the noise. I want you to fix
the cause of the noise. Right, So, if you go
to your doctor, I got a pain, he's here to
take to take this pill, the panel go away? Yeah,
but what's causing the pain? So they're treating the symptom,
not the cause. And I think there's a totally different
philosophy of medicine. And hell, you treat the cause, not
(46:52):
the symptoms. Most drugs are to treat a symptom. And
sometimes that's necessary. I take aspron want to get something wrong.
Sometimes you don't, but that's there's not treating the cards.
You're treating is the symptom.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, absolutely, I listen. I listen quite often. You're probably
familiar with this person and he's dead now. He died
in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
But Dr Martin Lloyd Jones, and he talks, He talks
a lot about how they're treating. You know, they used
to treat symptoms, but not not the root cause. And
obviously that's that's what's going on in wider society when
you know they've got gun crime, knife crime and all
these types of things going on, but they're not treating
(47:35):
the root cause of the matter.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's just the symptoms. Again. I know, obviously you've got.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
The issues over there with gun control whatever, whatever the
argument is, but people don't realize that the heart of
the matter is that the problem is the heart with man. Now,
what's your view regarding sort of the rise of artificial intelligence?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
That's what a college degree is anymore, artificial intelligence. That's
all it is. I was just looking for my book
I wrote called The Kennel about the dog Kennel about
the prison system. In God's Law, if you read the Bible,
God doesn't authorize prisons. You find them, beat them, or
(48:21):
kill them. Three options. If somebody steals your sheep, you
pay back four sheep. Everybody goes home happy. I got
four sheep, Now come steal another one. Now, if you
steal my sheep, you get arrested, go to jail for
five years, and I got to pay for your groceries
in jail for five years, plus pay for your family's
welfare for five years. And I don't get my sheep back.
It doesn't work. Find them or beat them. When I
(48:43):
was in prison unjustly. Go to my February first broadcast
I did on our show. Go to doctor diner dot com.
Book up any of our channels, whatever you use. Rumble.
I did an open letter to Donald Trump about them
putting me in prison for no crime whatsoever. While I
was there, I wrote a book about the prison system
called The Kennel, and I interviewed a thousand guys. I
(49:03):
asked him a simple question. If you committed a crime,
there's no question you're guilty. And the judge said, you
have an option. You want five years in prison or
twenty lashes. Would you lay down and take twenty lashes?
Right here in the Bible, you can never get more
than forty stripes. And the judge has to see it happen.
Judge has to watch what his sentence does to you.
(49:27):
So now the judge passes out five years, ten years,
twenty years, doesn't matter. You know they don't see the
result that that does to those people. And judges and
congressmen are allowed to own stock in the prison system,
so the longer they lock you up, the more money
they make. It's an evil system. You should find them,
beat them or kill them. For certain crimes, they should
(49:47):
be executed, not locked up for life. If someone breaks
into your house and rapes your daughter, you don't want her, No,
when he's in prison for twenty years going to get
out someday, you want her to see him get hung
or electrocuted and go spit on this great emotionally. If
we would follow the Bible find on beating mckillum, it
closed down nearly all the prisons. I'm all down. I
(50:08):
think I got off topic from your question there. But
that's a humble opinion on the topic.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Well, actually it rings a bell with me because I
was actually a prison officer.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
That was my job I had a few years ago.
I worked. I worked in two different prisons.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I worked in a category A prison as well, the
probably the most notorious prison in England, the prison.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Called Strange Ways.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
I worked there, and I agree with your prisons not
a biblical punishment, and it doesn't work either, and it's absolute,
especially for the people that work in prisons and the
way they've made it at the moment. I mean, there's
there's just been a recent incident in one of our
prisons over here. It was a horrific crime. The brother
(50:50):
of a guy who bombed the Manchester Evening News Arena. Obviously,
the guy who bombed it died because he was a
suicide bomber a number of years ago or an Arianna
Grande concert, but his brother, who was implicated in helping him,
he's in prison.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
He's just thrown boiling hot oil on three.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
Prison officers and stab them and they're all in hospital.
So these people have been locked away, and then there's
other people who, because they need to work, are working
in these places and they're suffering at the hands of
these people.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yeah, well, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Agree with him. They certain people should just be executed.
Then you can use them for fertilizer. There's plenty of
room in the graveyard, plenty of room.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Oh yeah, definitely need.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
To build more prisons, build more cemetery.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
What what would you what advice would you give to
sort of either.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
A young Christian or someone who is nervous about sharing
the faith.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
What first of all, what resources would you point them to?
And then what sort of arguments would you say that sort.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Of three arguments you would use.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
To counteract atheist or you'd use against atheists. Do say
that you know there's no God, there was a big
bang and we evolved.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Well, if I told you nobody made this ink pen,
you'd say, that's crazy. It's obviously designed for a purpose.
So I think the evidence from design is overwhelming. There
has to be a designer of the universe, of our
one cell in your body, one cell is more complex
(52:37):
than the space shuttle, and you have one hundred trillion
cells in your body, and you really think nobody made them.
That's insane. You'd have to go to college for years
to be that stupid to believe nobody made the cell
in your body. If I said nobody made this inkpen,
you would right away say that's crazy. It's designed for
a purpose. If I said, well, this inkpen is fifty
(53:00):
thousand years old, you'd see wait, wait, wait, it's a
ballpoint pin. Ballpoints weren't invented until eighteen eighty eight. Just
that one fact proved my fifty thousand year claim wrong. Okay,
then you'd say it's made of plastic. Plastics weren't invented
until nineteen oh seven. You just proved my claim wrong again.
Then you'd say it's made by Bit. Well, Bit wasn't
(53:22):
even a company until nineteen forty six, after World War Two.
So three simple facts. It's a ballpoint, it's plastic, and
it's bick. You just proved my fifty thousand year claim wrong.
I don't know when it was made. I don't care, actually,
but I know it was made after nineteen forty six.
You can't have it before that. I don't know. I
can't prove when the Earth was made, but I know
it's not millions of years ago. The Earth is spinning
(53:45):
and the Earth is slowing down. They know that slows
down one thousand of a second every day. Okay, but
that can't be billions of years old because it would
have stopped or it would have been going so fast
and the passion fling everything right off a billion years ago,
blew them off, the flung them off the earth. That's
what happened to me. I've only got a few more minutes, brother,
(54:06):
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formed in one big flood. It will really strengthen your faith.
And you're welcome to make all the copies you want
and give them away. Don't sell them. Okay, it's my
electro property, but I give you permission to copy it
and give it away. Tried to win a war, not
build a castle.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
No, absolutely, well, guys, Doseohovin that's been doing this for
a long time, and like I mentioned, I've seen a
number of his videos and the are good resources. And
for those of you who are it sort of well,
let's say you haven't got the knowledge or you haven't
got the confidence, definitely go and check out Dr Hovin's resources.
There are other resources available online. I'll post some links
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to them in the show description, but obviously I'll be
putting Dr Hovin's links in the show description. And for
those of you who are watching on video, you can
see where you can get older Dr Hovin there. He's
got various where you can get older in Twitter, Rumble,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
So, Doctor Hovin, it has been a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
I know you're a very very busy man and you've
got another show to do after this, so thank you
for your time. I'd love to get you back on
at some point with probably go through some questions that
are going to specific ones that maybe people get asked
on a daily basis from atheists and whatever, or questions
you know that every day people ask Christians and know
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you're the guy sort of we can come to because you've,
like you said, you've done all these debates.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
You've debated you know many different people, so you've got
the experience and you've got the knowledge. So yeah, guys,
Dr Hovind go on his website. I've a look at
his resources. He's got books, he's got DVDs available, and
he's been doing this a long time and he does
a lot of research. And as always I get guests
on that do a lot of research, and I encourage
people to do their wrong research. So thanks for your
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time tonight, Dodr Hovind. I'm PIL and this is beyond
the paradigm.
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would be really appreciated. Now, my guest today is Dr
Kent Hovind. For those of you who aren't familiar with
Dr Hovind, he's a Baptist preacher. He is an apologist.
He's a researcher, he's an author. Many of his videos
have had a lot of views online, some into the millions.
(02:57):
So some of you I know do know Dr Hovind,
and I actually want to apologize for the audio on
this episode. Particularly it's my audio, to be honest with you.
When I listened to it back when I was editing it,
it does sound for some reason very echoway. Don't know why.
I haven't moved my setup to another room. It was
(03:18):
all set up as usual, but it sounds particularly echoway
like the acoustics in the room are poor. So I
do apologize for that, and hopefully it doesn't spoil your
enjoyment of the episode. I would say, though Dr Hoven's
audio is fine. When Dr Hoven is speaking, he does
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most of the speaking, his audio is fine. I'm just
not sure what happened with regards to my own audio.
Don't know whether I need a new microphone or not.
And secondly, what I want to say is about a
question that I asked Dr Hoven regarding flat Earth. Dr
Hoven's not a flat earther, and he says that it
can be easily proved. I would say that I'm not
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a flat earther, and I'm not a globe birther. I
do make a comment on the show saying that the
Bible doesn't teach the Earth is flat. If you've listened
to my Flat Earth Theory episode, which is the most
popular episode, I had a guest on there who was
a flat earther. I was just curious about it. I
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can't say dogmatically the Earth is flat, the Earth is round, whatever,
But the point is I don't believe the Bible teaches
a flat Earth, and it's not relevant to our salvation
whether I believe the Earth is flat or round or hollow.
So we need to make that very clear on this
show that it's not a selvivific issue whether you believe
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the Earth is flat or not.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I get the.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Impression from some people who are flat earthers that they
don't believe that someone is a Christian unless they believe
in flat earth. Well, let me tell you something. One
thing makes someone a genuine Christian, and that's believing in
Jesus Christ. You can believe in flat earth and go
to Hell, and you can believe in globirth and go
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to Heaven. And the only difference is is if the
glob Birther believes in Jesus and the flat earth doesn't.
That's the difference. But you can be a flat Earth
and go to Heaven and you can be a globe
birth and go to Hell. Because the flat Earth I
might believe in Jesus, the globe Birther might not. So
let's not get distracted with minor issues. And it is
(05:32):
a minor issue in the grand scheme of thing what
shape the earth is, because you can believe, like I said,
whatever shape you believe it is, you can still go
to Hell if you reject Jesus Christ. So it is
a minor issue when comparing it to what you really
should be believing. Moving on from that, just want to
(05:53):
make a comment about the death of the pope. As
people will know who have listened to my podcast for
some time, I've done a number of episodes regarding the
Roman Catholic Church with her previous guest Johnny Serrucci. Both
Johnny and I are ex Roman Catholics, and were ex
Roman Catholics for a reason, because there's no salvation in
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the Roman Catholic Church and the pope is not the
vicar of Christ. And the most recent pope who's now died.
Pope Francis now knows this for a fact. But we
shouldn't be gloating over the death of another human being.
But the Bible is clear regarding these deceivers. In two
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Timothy three thirteen, it says evil men and seducers shall
wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived. So make
no mistake about it. The Pope was a deceiver, but
he was also deceived. He was deceived by the lies
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of the devil, and he died under this deception outside
of the grace of God. Now, obviously you're going to
see the funeral if you have a television. I don't
bother when it comes on. If the television's on in
the background, I pay no attention whatsoever to what they're
saying about the pope, because they're talking about him being
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a great man, a man of God, a man of faith.
He's not a great man. He wasn't a great man.
He wasn't a man of faith. He was a man
who was leading an institution that he's leading millions. In fact,
more than millions, it's into the billions. Because I believe
that the population of Roman Catholics on the earth is
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something like one point three billion. So that's one point
three billion people who were being deceived by the Roman
Catholic Church. And for Christians who don't fully understand regarding
the Roman Catholic Church, just a quick explanation, it's not
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another denomination because I believe that a lot of so
called Protestants these days, Evangelical believers with emphasis on the jelly,
especially in these charismatic churches where it's like a disco
and there's lights and there's people on stage dancing around.
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These people don't understand because they're not being taught the Bible.
They think it's just another sort of denomination of Christianity.
Well it isn't. So for those of you who are
new to the faith. I can't emphasize this strongly enough.
The Roman Catholic Church is not Christian. It's anti Christian.
Just like Mormonism or the Jovis Witnesses, they're not Christian denominations.
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Neither is the Roman Catholic Church. Now that's enough for me.
What I would say about this episode days, I believe
it would be helpful to people who are maybe nervous
about sharing the faith. Are also people that are new
to the faith. Dr Hovind is an apologist and he
has had many debates with atheists over the years. His
(09:17):
expertisees in debating atheists and teaching creationism. So hopefully you'll
pick up a few helpful tips from Dr Hovin do
on ways to answer atheist because we are in a
battle and a lot of people are atheists. I come
across from all the time living here in the UK,
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more atheists than believers by far.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Most people just.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Take the Big Bang theory has been a fact, or
evolution has been a fact, as in macro evolution. When
I'm talking about evolution, because there's different sorts of evolution,
but I'm speaking about macro evolution. They believe that a
species can basically become another species and they take this
in fact, they've never done any research, but that's what's
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on the television. And they believe that the Bible's a fairytale.
So hopefully this will be helpful to those of you
that come across atheists in your daily life and have
to deal with them on a daily basis. So that's
enough for me, and I'm now going to go and
bring Dr Kent Hovind onto the show.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well for the first time on Beyond the Paradigm. Dr
Kent Hovind, welcome.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Thank you for having me. It's honored to be with you.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It's a real pleasure to have you on.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And as I usually do with a guest who's only
been on for the first time, just quickly, could you
just tell us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Like I said to you, just a little bit. Are
faur there?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I am pretty certain a lot of people who listen
to this podcast are going to know who you are.
But just for those who possibly may not know who
you are, just tell us who you are and what
you do.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, Well, my name's Ken k and t like you
have a city over there and you're in England or
named Kent. I believe we have a name, yeah, yeah,
last name Hovin. I've been a Baptist preacher for fifty years.
I taught high school science in math for fifteen years,
and since nineteen eighty nine I've been a full time evangelist,
teaching on science and the Bible. I believe the Bible
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is absolutely scientifically accurate and evolution theory is the dumbest
and most dangerous religion ever fostered on mankind. There's nothing
but a religion. There's no evidence at all for this
dumb evolution idea. I've had three hundred and eighty seven
debates with atheists. I'll take on anybody you've got over there.
My most famous one, I was debating three at once
at every Riddle Aeronautical University, and one professor said, where
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did God come from? My two minute long answer as
nine hundred and fifteen million views. Watch that if you
want to see why they don't want to debate us.
Over here, we believe the Bible's true. We have a
camp in southern Alabama called Dinosaur Adventure Land. It's all free,
been open for nine years and five days. It's all
about science in the Bible. One hundred and forty eight
or seventeen lakes, twelve thousand square foot science center. You
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can see it. It's a phenomenal. God's really been good.
Some of God's kids drive me crazy, but God is good.
Come out over.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, I agree on that about some of God's children,
But there you go.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'm sure I've annoyed a few people over the years anyway.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So yeah, what what I wanted to do is sort
of this episode is one where I want to ask
some questions that are going to be helpful for younger
believers or believers who may be a little bit wary
about sharing the faith or intimidated. So in your obviously
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you've you've been doing this a long time, what would
you said the most powerful evidence is in your view
that supports a younger from sort of a scientific standpoint
and a scriptural standpoint.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, you can get my videos which cover all this,
I think see that on screen there doctordiino dot com.
Top left hand corner is my website. We've got thousands
of videos up there that teach all that you can
go for a long time. The Bible says that God
made everything in six days. That's in the Ten Commandments.
God wrote that on a rock with his finger in
six days. The Lord made heaven in earth, And that's
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the only way it works. The creation is so complex
with symbiotic relationships. Certain animals require certain plants, Certain plants
require certain animals to pollinate them, just back and forth.
There are literally probably millions of symbiotic relationships that cannot
be explained with slow gradual accumulation of new data. We
never see any animal produce anything other than it same kind.
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Cows always have baby cows every time. Now, if you
wish to imagine different in the past or someplace else where,
we can't see it. That's imagination. That's why evolution is
a religion. You have to believe it. The Bible dates
if you add them up. We've got a chart right here.
Let's see. We use for placemats to feature skeptic friends.
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Ups it. But the Bible dates if you add them up,
for it says Adam was one hundred and thirty when
Seth was born, and Seth was one hundred and five
when his son was born. If you add up all
the Bible dates, the Bible teaches the earth is about
six thousand years old, not millions, not billions, for sure.
And so the Bible clearly teaches a six day creation
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about six thousand years ago, which of course raises lots
of questions like what about dinosaurs? What about the ice age? Well,
how did the light from the stars get here? And
that's why my seminar series is eighteen hours long, talking
as fast as I can go. You can get the
whole thing for fifty bucks.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
When I first started my ministry thirty five years ago,
I made videos of what my teaching on creation. Now
I used to loan out the videos. I learned right away.
Christians don't steal, but they borrow and never return, don't.
We sell them for fifty bucks. When you're done, send
it back at your money back. Okay. But meanwhile, I
got the fifty bucks and you got the video. There's
eighteen hours and you can get that, and then it
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really strengthen your faith in the Word of God. I
tell people, if you watch a seminar, when you're done,
you're going to say, Wow, the Bible is true. And
then about a week later you're going to sit up
in bed in the middle of the night and say, oh, no,
the Bible's true. This changes everything. Yeah, it better change everything.
Our goal of our ministry here. If you're not saved,
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we want to get you saved. We're going to try
to get you converted. Okay. Secondly, if you're saved and
you have questions or doubts, we want to strengthen your
faith in the Word of God. You can count on it. See,
before the flood came, the people lived to be nine
hundred years old. Reptiles never stop going. What would happen
if a lizard could live to be nine hundred years old,
it would be a dinosaur. The dinosaurs were big lizards
(15:38):
with Adam and Eve. They did not live millions of
years ago. They're part of the normal creation. And Thirdly,
if you're saved and you're not doing much for the Lord,
I'm going to try to make you uncomfortable. There's a
war going on. Soldier. If you're not going to shoot,
carry bullets, pay for the bullets, do something. Everybody should
do something for the Kingdom of God that they're like.
Quit getting distracted on stupid stuff like chasing Zel or
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whatever that is. Okay, we want to get people fired.
I'd be glad to debate any atheists or agnostics you've
got over there. You got a bunch in your country.
I'll take them all on same time. I get half
the time, one topic at a time. They began teaching
of two hundred years ago that the layers of the
Earth are different ages. They made up the geologic column.
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Did you know that geologic column does not exist any
place in the world. There is no geologic column. Doesn't exist.
I keep asking the guys. Okay, guys, you're telling me
if the top layer is younger, where did it come
from How can these layers be different ages? They can't
possibly be different ages. All the layers are the same age. Top,
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They're all a respect of dirt in the universe is
the same age. Whether six thousand or six trillion, they're
all the same age. But anyway, we have about fifty
thousand slides I use in my presentation to get everything documented.
Look it up. There's all kinds of ways to prove
the Earth simply cannot be billions of years old. The
Moon is going around the Earth. I think most people
agree with that. As the Moon goes around the Earth,
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the Moon's gradually getting farther away. Google receding Moon. The
Moon is leaving us an inch and a half every year. Okay,
well that would mean it used to be closer. How
close can you bring it before that starts causing problems
like higher tides, and eventually, like two magnets, you get
them too close, they snap together, called the inverse square law.
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They know they've done all the math on this. They
say one point two billion years ago, the Moon Earth
orbit would collapse one billion. Why are we telling the
kids in school it's four point six billion years old?
It can't be so I cover my video number one,
probably thirty different scientific ways to show this Earth is
not billions of years old. Video number two we talk
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about the Garden of Eden. Why did they live to
be nine hundred years old? What was different? What caused this?
This cannot be of water that used to be overhead.
The Bible says there was water above the firmament. Let's
see right here. People before the flood lived to be
nine hundred How do you do that? And then after
the flood it dropped off to four hundred, two hundred
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and one hundred from Genesis eleven. Now you add up
the dates, you're going to get about six thousand years
for the age of the earth. Adam lived long enough
to meet Noah's daddy. How much information could they pass on?
I mean the knowledge would have been phenomenal back then.
Adam came with a fully loaded computer. When God made him,
he could walk, talk, name the animals, and get married
first day. Then he walked with God for one hundred years,
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probably before they sin. God taught him all kinds of things,
and then he lived long enough to pass this on
to lay Mik Noah's daddy. So I think we get
this idea that people in the past were stupid and
we're smart, exactly the opposite. Okay, and Noah's sun Shm
lived long enough to meet Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But
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I think we really got a wrong idea about this prehistory.
They're consisting as prehistoric because history from day one. But
before the flood came, there was water above the firmament.
My video number two covers all this. I believe there
was a crystal canopy over the earth. That stuff on
here someplace. You need to watch the video series. It's
a little model we have here. If there was a
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crystal canopy above the earth, above the atmosphere. Read Genesis
one and two. God said there was water above the firmament.
And you keep reading it says the birds fly in
the firmament. Well, uh, that's the atmosphere. So there used
to be water above the atmosphere, probably a layer of ice.
The Jews have always taught there was a two or
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three finger thick layer of ice above the atmosphere when
God first made it. That would do several things. It
would squeeze all the air down into maybe ten miles.
Our air today goes out it's fifty miles. If you
squeezed all the air down into ten miles with a
crystal canopy overhead, it would increase air pressure, making it
breathing much easier. If you ever climb a really tall mountain,
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it's hard to breathe up there, they're too thin. But
if it's all squeezed down to ten miles, everybody would
have easier time breathing. They say, an eighty foot a patosaurus,
This guy have nostrils the same size as a horse.
How's he going to breathe? And real small lungs, small
lung small nostrils and an eighty foot animal. Well, that's
because they were breathing richer oxygen thirty five percent and
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compressed air. So we cover all this on video number two.
What happened That crystal canopy also would block out ultraviolet light.
UV light cannot penetrate ice very deeply. That means they
could have almost no carbon fourteen. In the time from
the creation up until the flood, there was probably almost
no carbon fourteen being formed. So we dig up the
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fossils that they find from that flood and we try
to date them with today's atmospheric percentage of see fourteen.
We're using the wrong ruler, it looks like, oh wow,
they're thousands or millions of years old when they're only
forty five hundred years old. Because they got the wrong ruler.
They're not allowing for the Bible says the scoffers in
the last days would be willingly ignorant of how God
made the heabuns plural. I cover that tonight on my show.
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If you go to doctor Dino dot com where we
took us off of YouTube again, around like seven or
eight other channels. They're all listed on Doctor Dino, go
to Rumble or Twitter one of those, and tonight at
seven o'clock Central time, they'll be covering Psalm chapter one
oh two and helping to talk about the heavens plural
in Genesis one to one. It's heaven singular. If your
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Bible says heavens plural, throw it away. You got the
wrong Bible. Okay, it's King James the where you want
to be. So the earth has six layers today, there
used to be a seventh layer of ice that would
increase their pressure that would also block out UV light,
explaining one of the reasons why they live to be
nine hundred and how dinosaurs could get so huge animals
are almost all kinds of animals are found in fossil
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form that are huge by today's standard. Two foot grasshoppers,
there's none of those around today. Three foot dragonflies, none
of those are. Eight foot b vers have been found fossilie.
So it was just a different world before the flood came.
That crystal canopy would block out UV light and it
could have been held up by either the erth magnetic field,
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because super cold ice is magnetic, or it could have
been held up like by air pressure, like a big
inflatable building. There are some really big building, but either way,
there was a canopy of ice overhead. So I cover
all that video number two and where So dinosaurs lived
with Adam and Eve. Then Noah took him on the arc.
People say dinosaurs on the arc they're kind of big.
I think, well, the big ones were big, but the
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little ones were little. And Noah was six hundred years
old when he built that boat. He's smart enough to
know I don't have to bring the biggest ones I find.
Bring two babies. Just be sure to get a penguin
out of blue one. There's all kinds of reasons for
bringing babies. They're smaller, they eat less, they poop less,
they weigh less, and they can sleep more. You're going
to go keep them on the boat for a year,
let them sleep, let hibernate. You know so, and plus
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after the flood, they would live longer to produce more babies.
And that's why you're bringing them like dou It's not
complicated to figure out. But anyway, I cover lots of
stuff on my video series, and one of my video,
number four or is one of my favorite lies in
the textbooks. You can get this part of the series
or get it by itself go on our website doctor
Dino dot com. But there are thirty, at least thirty
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basic lies. There's still teaching the kids to help them
believe in evolution. These lies have been proven wrong years ago.
They're still teaching them because that's all they've got. There
is no evidence for evolution. I do a show every
Thursday and Friday night to call in show seven o'clock Central.
I say evolution is a pagan the dumbest and most
dangerous pagan religious cult ever invented. Prove me wrong, tell
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them call in, show me where I'm wrong. Nothing but
a cult, nothing but a religion, you have to believe
in evolution. There's no science to back it up Anyway'm
sorry for Labrin. Your show go ahead. What else you
want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
No, it's fine.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
So I mean I'm a six day literal creation. It's
like yourself, but not all Christians are. What would you
say to Christians about six day creation? Like, why it's
important to believe in that?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well? For certainly, God said in the Ten Commandments Exodus
twenty and again in Exodus thirty one that he made
everything in six days? Well did he or didn't he?
Is he lying? Jesus said in Matthew nineteen four and
Mark ten to sixth that the creation of Adam was
the beginning? Well was it or wasn't? It was Jesus lying?
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Was he stupid? Or was he right? We've got so
many Christians trying to squeeze evolution in millions of years
into the Bible. Stop it doesn't fit. It's not The
earth is not millions of years old. You don't need
to squeeze it in. Don't compromise. Make it real clear.
The Bible is correct. God made everything in sixty eight.
The Bible says nothing died until Adam sin Man brought
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death into the world Romans five and Romans eight, Romans
five and First Corinthians fifteen. Well, evolution says, oh, millions
of things died before man even got here. It's exactly
the opposite of what the Bible teaches. So those Christians
are compromising with the devil, tell him knock it all.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's the devil inverting everything again.
And obviously there is Christians who do believe in evolution
as part of God's creative process. Unfortunately, in today's sort
of culture and the moral and scientific relative relativism of today,
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how can teaching creation sort of restore or help to
restore faith in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, I've asked atheists many many times, never get an answer.
I say, guys, if evolution is true, how do you
tell right from raw? Where's the standard for right and raw?
We have all kinds of standards. We have standards of
weights and measures, and you know, you guys use metric
system over there. We use English standard system. Here, where's
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the standard for right and wrong? See? Christians have a standard. Thus,
saith the Lord. We decide right and wrong based on
what God said is right and wrong. Atheists don't have that.
I ask him a simple question. I say, guys, would
it be wrong for you to go next door and
kill your neighbor's baby and eat it?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well the lion does it to the zebra all the time.
Is it wrong for the lion to go kill next
door and kill the zebra baby and eat it. I'll
tell you what if you think that's wrong, why don't
you go to Africa and hold up a sign in
front of the lion stop eating the zebra baby. I
will pay for the sign for you to go hold
it up. I want to watch that. Where's the standard
for right and wrong? See, when we teach our kids' evolution,
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people don't understand. You're removing all their moral foundation. How
do you tell right from wrong? They don't have that.
We need to get back to the Bible standard. And
I see, evolutions are religion, but it's a tax supported religion.
That's the only religion that receives tax support. Where all
the public schools teach that, and they get paid to
(26:54):
teach another religion. You don't need any evolution to learn science.
Evolution is not part of science. I tried to science
for fifteen years. No doctor on the planet thinks about evolution.
When you're doing surgery on somebody, he better know his anatomy.
This is the deltroid, the biceps, the triceps, the humors,
the flexors, the extenders that you know, the carpal bones.
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You better know your anatomy. Evolution has got nothing to
do with it. It's not part of science. But it's
been mixed in with science for so long people think
it belongs. I tell people, you know, beer has been
sold at football games for a long time. Beer has
nothing to do with football. And beer does not become
athletic by association with football, okay, And evolution does not
become science because it's associated with science. It's stuck in
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our books. I know. I'm sorry. I'm trying to get
it out, but it's not part of science.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
No, it's one hundred percent not.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I mean I remember when I was in school quite
a few years ago. But yeah, it's just in the
It's just in the textbooks as fact. And the problem
is people don't question it because this authority figure is
put in front of these children and he's dirt teacher,
she's their teacher, or whoever, and they're the authority figure.
Therefore what they're saying must be true. And that's you know,
(28:07):
that's obviously part of the dissection, isn't it. And it's
not People don't use critical thinking skills unfortunately, and some people,
you know, obviously maybe frightened to question. But this is
what this podcast is all about, always telling people do
your own research, ask questions, use critical thinking skills. Now,
(28:29):
you actually mentioned this a little earlier, but it's it's
one of them questions that it has been asked multiple
times of you, I'm sure, and I've listened to a
debate where this question was asked, and you gave an
absolutely killer answer to this question. And in my opinion,
the question is obviously something a child would ask.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But I'm going to ask it you. Where did God
come from?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah? I was doing a debate with three professors at
the same time at every real aeronautical university, and he said,
did God come from? My two men? In answer has
nine hundred and fifty million views. You can get it
on YouTube and all kinds of channels. Okay, it came
from God, it didn't come from me. Well, the question
is invalid. If I was to ask you why our
elephants orange so I can't answer that question because they're
(29:17):
not orange. So the five words where did God come from?
Four of them do not apply to God. Where involves distance,
you mean God has to move someplace. God's already everywhere,
He's in everything did involve time, past, present, future. God's
not stuck in time. We are stuck in time. We
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can't go back. And have you ever wished you could
go back in time just five seconds to undo the
dumb thing you just did? Yeah, we're stuck in time.
God's not stuck in time. This is not twenty twenty
five in heaven. He's right now standing at your funeral.
He sees it all, he knows it all. So the
question where did God come from? Is assuming a limited God,
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there are three things and matter. They have to come
into existence in the right order. You have to have
time first, Then you have to have space. Then you
have to have matter. If you had matter and no space,
where would you put it? If you had matter and
no time, when would you put it? The Bible answers
that in ten words. In the beginning, they're time. God
created the heaven, their space, and the Earth matter, time, space,
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matter in ten words, and each of those is also
a trinity. Time has past, present, future. You can't have
just one by itself. As soon as you create one,
you've got the other two. Space has three dimensions linked
with and hype. You cannot have just one. There no
sich thing as one or two dimensional space. I taught
geometry for years. You know we use symbols like a
(30:44):
circle and a square and a triangle. Theoretically they don't exist.
They're purely theoretical. Soon as you draw the circle on
your paper, the thickness of your ink now turned it
into a cylinder. So in reality, circles don't exist except
in the imagination. They're practical and handy. I understand that.
And then time, time, space, and matter comes in three
(31:05):
flavors solid liquid gas, a plasma justice the hotter gas
is all. So we have a trinity of trinities in
only ten words. And the God who created time, space
and matter is not limited by any of them. He's
outside of time, space, matter. I told the professor at
the university at the debate, I said, the guy that
made this computer is not in the computer running around
changing the numbers on the screen. He's not locked in
(31:27):
the computer. God is not locked into his creation we
are locked into his creation, not him. So the God
that I worship, if I could fit the infinite God
in my three pound brain, he wouldn't do with worship.
And that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
That's the problem. They have their own version of God
when they're asking you that question, they have their own
version of God. And a lot of the.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Time it comes from sort of, you know, paintings that
michelangel have done of some old man in the sky
with a white beard.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
They just that's what they're assuming, that it is an
old man in the sky. And obviously that's not the
God we worship because he is spirit. He's not as spirit.
He is spirit. Now, obviously you've got dinosaurs on your
desk there and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Where did they fit in the biblical timeline? In your view?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Well before the flood came, the people lived to be
nine hundred years old. Reptiles never stopped growing. The dinosaurs
are part of the norm creation. With Adam and Eve
in the Garden of Eden, they were all friendly. All
the animals were vegetarian. If you read Genesis chapter one
and two, God said, I've given all the animals, herbs, plants,
and seeds to eat. Then after the flood was over
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in Genesis chapter nine, God said, Noah, now you can
eat meat, and the animals are going to be afraid
of you. The fear of you and the dread of
you shall be upon every beast of the earth. So
that changed at the flood for maybe several reasons we
cover on video number two. So dinosaurs short version. They
were big lizards that lived with Adam and Eve. Noah
took them on the arc, probably babies. After the flood,
(33:35):
they either died out in the new climate because that
crystal canopy that used to compress the air was now gone,
and maybe some of them could not even live long
enough to reach reproductive age, so they went extinct, or
people were hunting them. They called them dragons. See the
word dinosaur wasn't made up till eighteen forty one, so
for most of human history they called them dragons, and
many were extremitated Over there in Wales. Isn't the crest
(33:58):
of whales a dragon on a fly? Yeah? They yeah, yeah,
there are lots of stories of dragons and people killing dragons.
Bale Wolf slew a dragon, Prince George slew a dragon.
You know, I cover that on video number three all
about evidence of dinosaurs being killed off by man calling
some other name besides Dragon Leviathan Behemoth in Jobe chapter forty,
and there might be a few still alive smaller. There's
(34:20):
a swamp in Africa that's bigger than the whole state
of Alabama. Right I live one swamp called the Likawallas
Swamp in the middle of Africa, Congo, Africa. There have
been many expeditions into that swamp where they claim there
are still dinosaurs alive twenty foot long. If you show
this to the natives that live over there, they will say, oh,
that's vocally I'm bembi. Don't get close, he'll kill you
with his tail. They see them, they're still alive. No, no,
(34:43):
they're not eighty feet long, but they're still twenty feet long.
And it's the same animal, just the smaller versions. They've
adapted to the less oxygen. I guess so the eleven
thousand people swear they've seen the loch Ness Monster. If
eleven thousand people claim they've seen something, maybe they've seen
something regarding dinosaurs.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I mean, I've spoken to different people over the years
who don't believe they existed at all. I mean, because
I do know that if you go to the Natural
History Museum in London and you ask them regarding the
sort of dinosaur bones that they have on display, they
will admit that they're not sort of the original bones,
(35:24):
that they're the original bones are not the ones that
are on display. And when you ask them, well we're already.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
They go, oh, well, we've got them in the basement.
And you say, well have you ever seen them? And
they'll be like, well, no, I haven't seen them. So
there's a lot of skeptics who sort of say, well, yeah, there.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Might have been some of these big lizards about, and
obviously we know the word dinosaur, like you said eighteen.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Forty one, But in terms of the range of dinosaurs
that were told existed, I mean, how many are realistic?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Because they have this whole backstory, don't they regarding dinosaurs
and how they sounded and they moved, and what size
they were and how it was killed. I mean, in reality,
what what's your what's your view on the range of
dinosaurs that there is?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Would you say.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That it's not it's not a battle worth fighting? Let
them let them pick the make up all the names
you want, okay, Uh. The real battle worth fighting is
when did they live? As far as finding the bones
and putting them together, and did it look like that?
I don't know. I don't care. It doesn't matter when
they lived. I think it's important because the Bible says
nothing died till Adam sin. So I think sometimes they
(36:30):
put the real bones in the basement to protect them,
because they make a replica because in case somebody steals
other smashes that are herd set or something to them. See,
that's sacred to them. Have those fossils are supports to
represent ancestors. They make it. Keep talking in the debates
I do with them about the fossil record, I say, guys,
there is no fossil record. There are fossils by the trillions,
(36:50):
but there's no record. When you find bones in the dirt,
you should notice none of them talk, and none of
them have a date stamped on them. There's no fossil record.
There are fossils. When you find bones in the dirt,
all you really know is it died. You do not
know it had any children. You sure don't know it
had children that were different. No animal today can produce
(37:12):
anything other than their kind. Cows have baby cow, sheep
have baby sheep, Turtles have baby turtles. There are no exceptions, none.
Nobody's ever seen one exception to that. If you wish
to believe otherwise, great, you and SpongeBob have a wonderful time.
But it's nothing but imagination. So there is no fossil
record the dinosaur. What as far as what they look like,
did they put it together? Right? I don't care. That
matters to me. When they live, that's important. Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
No, you've expressed skepticism regarding climate change narrative, and I'm
skeptical as well. What do you think Why do you
think it's being pushed so hard this climate change?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, in any sport, basketball, football, doesn't matter that one team.
Each team has a goal. What are you trying to do?
Let's take basketball for instance. That the guy the player
wants to put the ball through that hoop behind me.
If I'm on defense, my job is to prevent him
from getting through that hoop to throw the ball through.
(38:12):
He might fake write, fake left, etc. But his goal
doesn't change. His goal is that hoop? Right? What is
Satan's goal in this world? When in the garden of Eden.
After Adam and Eve Sinn the Lord passed out their punishment.
He said to the serpent, you got to crawl on
your belly. Well, there's no curse to crawl on your
belly if you're already crawling on your belly. So he
(38:33):
must have had either legs or arms or wings or
maybe all three. I don't know. We'll find out heaven.
And he told the woman you're going to have pain
and child bearing. And he told man, you got to
work for a living now, okay. Then he told the
serpent though, he said, someday some seed of the woman
is going to bruise your head. So Ever, since that day,
Satan's goal has been to try to reduce the population
of the earth to zero. Kill everybody however you can do.
(38:56):
It doesn't matter. Start a war, it doesn't matter who wins.
People die, you know what I mean? Like the bankers
win every war. They loan money to the arms manufacturers
and they don't care when just please shoot up more bullets.
We're ruining your money. So Satan's goal is to reduce
the population, I think. But when Herod wanted to kill
baby Jesus in Bethlehem, what did he do killed all
(39:18):
the babies, right, doesn't care. He doesn't know who's going
to bruise his head, but he's trying to kill every
human being alive. His goal is to reduce the population
and this climate change, but loaning is is a big
part of that. Reduce the population anyway, you can't, whether
it be through the pharmaceutical method you know, or through wars,
or through abortion, or through euthanasia, or if you teach them,
(39:42):
you know, homosexuality, those guys don't reproduce, you know, all
these things are The goal is to reduce the population.
It's all satanic.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah. I thought it was a little bit about this
on the last episode, regarding the depopulation agenda, And obviously
it's multifaceted. And of abortion is a big deal because
abortion kills more human beings every year than World War two,
world War One put together.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
It's in the millions.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
And obviously, like you mentioned, the homosexuals can't reproduce. And
that's what I said, I said on my last episode,
I said, prove me wrong on this, but I'm saying
that two biological males or two biological females who were
together can't have children. No one's commented yet to prove
me wrong, So I'm not expecting anyone anytime soon to.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Do it either.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Now, what I wanted to talk to you about is obviously,
you know, we talked a lot about creation, and we
talk about dinosaurs and things, and that's like your area
of expertise, but you talk about other things as well,
and you have.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Opinions on other things.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
So with regards to one of the topics that we
do cover on this podcast, and I've had a number
of guests on is the UFO phenomena, what's your take.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
On Well, UFOs are unidentified flying objects, either their imaginary
people got too much vodka or something and they're seeing
something that doesn't exist, or they are top secret government
craft they've had for many years around airplane that flies
if the deep on my video number seven question answered
(41:20):
people ask somebody asked me that question, so I told
them what I know about it. Again, it's not a battle.
I think it's worth fighting. I think some of it's
probably demonic getting ready for the rapture because Satan knows
somebday the Lord's going to come down, blow a trumpet
and catch the Christians up, and Satan wants to have
a cover story. Oh, the UFOs came and got them.
People say, do hoping. Do you think there's intelligent life
on other planets? I say no. I taught high school
(41:42):
fifteen years. There's not much intelligent life on this planet.
But the Bible says eb is the mother of all living.
You can't get around that. Biblically, there's no intelligent life
anywhere else. Scientifically, there's no evidence for it. You can
believe whatever you want, but it's not there's no scientific
evidence for it at all. Right, let somebody else fight
(42:04):
that battle. I want to stick on evolution.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
What's your view of Flotster theory.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Well, I think that's a distraction. The Kansas is flat
and the rest of the world's round. Okay, I think
it's been proven. I think it's a distraction to make
Christians look stupid, and it's working. The Earth is round.
It's easy to prove that. You know. Sometimes the Moon
going around the Earth at a ten degree angle, so
it doesn't always go between us and the Sun because
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of that ten degree angle. But occasionally the moon goes
between us and the Sun and the moon casts a
shadow on the Earth and it's eclipse. But sometimes the
Moon's on the other side, and we cast a shadow
on the moon the eclipse, lunar eclipse, and our shadow
on the moon is always round, no matter what time
of day it is, no matter what time of that
(42:54):
proves the Earth is round. Just that one fact proves
is round. It's not a battle worth fighting for me.
We have a book somebody else wrote, how to Prove
the Earth is Can you find that, Joseph. It's a book.
We sell it in our bookstore, Falling Flat. I know
they got in the bookstore. It's okay. Go to our
website doctor Diner dot com. The title is falling Flat.
(43:16):
It's about this thing, all the proof the Earth is
not flat. It's said. It's making a lot of Christians
look stupid. They think the Bible teaches that. The Bible
does not teach that.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
I have done an actual episode on it, and it
was actually and still is my number one episode.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I had someone on who was a flat Earth for
And I was.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Saying, I was just asking the questions, and I actually
said on that podcast that the Bible doesn't teach the
Earth is flat. I said, it doesn't really teach. It
doesn't teach what shape it is. But like you said that.
You know, they are adamant that the Bible does teach
that the earth is flat, and a lot of them
believe that. If you don't believe it is flat, then
(44:01):
you're probably not even a Christian, which is just absolutely.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know, it's just way out there as far as
I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Bible says God sits on the circle of the Europe.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah you is, Isaiah, Yeah, ok. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Now you've questioned sort of mainstream narratives around the COVID
nineteen vaccinations.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
So what concerns do you have about medical or the
political response to that plan. Well, well, we'll not call
it pandemic, but the plandemic, What do you think went
on there? What's your view of the whole sort of
scenario and what do you think the endgame was for them?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well, again, the goal of the same reduced the population
and it worked. People die. I tell people, if a
doctor says that one of vaccinature baby, you see, doctor,
how much do you weigh twenty My baby weighs, you know,
ten pounds. You weigh twenty two times more than my baby.
You take twenty two of these shots. Right now. I'll
(45:05):
come back, and I'll come back in two weeks and
if you're still kicking, you can give my baby the shot.
That would be fair, wouldn't it. That'd be a realistic
scientific Testee. If the Bible is true, then God wants
everybody to have a lot of kids. He told Adam
any first thing, go have a bunch of kids. And
but say Satan wants the opposite. So I ask people
(45:27):
this question. Do you think the gas companies want everybody
to have cars they get five hundred miles to the gallop?
Would you like to have a car that got five
hundred miles to the gallopy? Yeah? Yeah? Do the gas
companies want you to have a car like that?
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Not a chance?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
No? Okay, they have a financial interest in this. Okay.
Do the do the Ford and Chevy and General Motors
and your British car makers over there. Do they want
cars to last five hundred thousand miles? No, they want
you to buy a new one every couple of years. Right.
Does the doctor want everybody to be healthy? What if
(46:05):
everybody in the world was perfectly healthy, they'd be out
of work with me. Yeah. So now I think they're
highly trained, and many are very sincere dedicated. I'm not
anti doctor. Okay, but I think they got to stop
and look, what's your motive here? Do you really want
people to be healthy? Does if you see, if you
have a pain, if you went to a mechanic and said, wow,
my car's making a funny noise. He listens to your
(46:28):
car and she said, oh, here, put these headphones on.
You won't hear it anymore. Excuse me. I don't want
you to fix the noise. I want you to fix
the cause of the noise. Right, So, if you go
to your doctor, I got a pain, he's here to
take to take this pill, the panel go away? Yeah,
but what's causing the pain? So they're treating the symptom,
not the cause. And I think there's a totally different
philosophy of medicine. And hell, you treat the cause, not
(46:52):
the symptoms. Most drugs are to treat a symptom. And
sometimes that's necessary. I take aspron want to get something wrong.
Sometimes you don't, but that's there's not treating the cards.
You're treating is the symptom.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, absolutely, I listen. I listen quite often. You're probably
familiar with this person and he's dead now. He died
in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
But Dr Martin Lloyd Jones, and he talks, He talks
a lot about how they're treating. You know, they used
to treat symptoms, but not not the root cause. And
obviously that's that's what's going on in wider society when
you know they've got gun crime, knife crime and all
these types of things going on, but they're not treating
(47:35):
the root cause of the matter.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's just the symptoms. Again. I know, obviously you've got.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
The issues over there with gun control whatever, whatever the
argument is, but people don't realize that the heart of
the matter is that the problem is the heart with man. Now,
what's your view regarding sort of the rise of artificial intelligence?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
That's what a college degree is anymore, artificial intelligence. That's
all it is. I was just looking for my book
I wrote called The Kennel about the dog Kennel about
the prison system. In God's Law, if you read the Bible,
God doesn't authorize prisons. You find them, beat them, or
(48:21):
kill them. Three options. If somebody steals your sheep, you
pay back four sheep. Everybody goes home happy. I got
four sheep, Now come steal another one. Now, if you
steal my sheep, you get arrested, go to jail for
five years, and I got to pay for your groceries
in jail for five years, plus pay for your family's
welfare for five years. And I don't get my sheep back.
It doesn't work. Find them or beat them. When I
(48:43):
was in prison unjustly. Go to my February first broadcast
I did on our show. Go to doctor diner dot com.
Book up any of our channels, whatever you use. Rumble.
I did an open letter to Donald Trump about them
putting me in prison for no crime whatsoever. While I
was there, I wrote a book about the prison system
called The Kennel, and I interviewed a thousand guys. I
(49:03):
asked him a simple question. If you committed a crime,
there's no question you're guilty. And the judge said, you
have an option. You want five years in prison or
twenty lashes. Would you lay down and take twenty lashes?
Right here in the Bible, you can never get more
than forty stripes. And the judge has to see it happen.
Judge has to watch what his sentence does to you.
(49:27):
So now the judge passes out five years, ten years,
twenty years, doesn't matter. You know they don't see the
result that that does to those people. And judges and
congressmen are allowed to own stock in the prison system,
so the longer they lock you up, the more money
they make. It's an evil system. You should find them,
beat them or kill them. For certain crimes, they should
(49:47):
be executed, not locked up for life. If someone breaks
into your house and rapes your daughter, you don't want her, No,
when he's in prison for twenty years going to get
out someday, you want her to see him get hung
or electrocuted and go spit on this great emotionally. If
we would follow the Bible find on beating mckillum, it
closed down nearly all the prisons. I'm all down. I
(50:08):
think I got off topic from your question there. But
that's a humble opinion on the topic.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Well, actually it rings a bell with me because I
was actually a prison officer.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
That was my job I had a few years ago.
I worked. I worked in two different prisons.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I worked in a category A prison as well, the
probably the most notorious prison in England, the prison.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Called Strange Ways.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
I worked there, and I agree with your prisons not
a biblical punishment, and it doesn't work either, and it's absolute,
especially for the people that work in prisons and the
way they've made it at the moment. I mean, there's
there's just been a recent incident in one of our
prisons over here. It was a horrific crime. The brother
(50:50):
of a guy who bombed the Manchester Evening News Arena. Obviously,
the guy who bombed it died because he was a
suicide bomber a number of years ago or an Arianna
Grande concert, but his brother, who was implicated in helping him,
he's in prison.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
He's just thrown boiling hot oil on three.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
Prison officers and stab them and they're all in hospital.
So these people have been locked away, and then there's
other people who, because they need to work, are working
in these places and they're suffering at the hands of
these people.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yeah, well, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Agree with him. They certain people should just be executed.
Then you can use them for fertilizer. There's plenty of
room in the graveyard, plenty of room.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Oh yeah, definitely need.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
To build more prisons, build more cemetery.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
What what would you what advice would you give to
sort of either.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
A young Christian or someone who is nervous about sharing
the faith.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
What first of all, what resources would you point them to?
And then what sort of arguments would you say that sort.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Of three arguments you would use.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
To counteract atheist or you'd use against atheists. Do say
that you know there's no God, there was a big
bang and we evolved.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Well, if I told you nobody made this ink pen,
you'd say, that's crazy. It's obviously designed for a purpose.
So I think the evidence from design is overwhelming. There
has to be a designer of the universe, of our
one cell in your body, one cell is more complex
(52:37):
than the space shuttle, and you have one hundred trillion
cells in your body, and you really think nobody made them.
That's insane. You'd have to go to college for years
to be that stupid to believe nobody made the cell
in your body. If I said nobody made this inkpen,
you would right away say that's crazy. It's designed for
a purpose. If I said, well, this inkpen is fifty
(53:00):
thousand years old, you'd see wait, wait, wait, it's a
ballpoint pin. Ballpoints weren't invented until eighteen eighty eight. Just
that one fact proved my fifty thousand year claim wrong. Okay,
then you'd say it's made of plastic. Plastics weren't invented
until nineteen oh seven. You just proved my claim wrong again.
Then you'd say it's made by Bit. Well, Bit wasn't
(53:22):
even a company until nineteen forty six, after World War Two.
So three simple facts. It's a ballpoint, it's plastic, and
it's bick. You just proved my fifty thousand year claim wrong.
I don't know when it was made. I don't care, actually,
but I know it was made after nineteen forty six.
You can't have it before that. I don't know. I
can't prove when the Earth was made, but I know
it's not millions of years ago. The Earth is spinning
(53:45):
and the Earth is slowing down. They know that slows
down one thousand of a second every day. Okay, but
that can't be billions of years old because it would
have stopped or it would have been going so fast
and the passion fling everything right off a billion years ago,
blew them off, the flung them off the earth. That's
what happened to me. I've only got a few more minutes, brother,
(54:06):
But yeah, that's I would say. Asked about resources, we
tried to on our website doctor Diner dot com or
you can call us eighty five Big Dino. I'm Extension
three if you want to talk to me. But we
try to offer all kinds of things that will help
strengthen your faith in every area. My eighteen hour seminar
is a good place to start. Fifty bucks eighteen hours
(54:27):
covering all kinds of stuff. Where did the water from
the flood go? Where did it come from? What did
that flood do? How the layers of the earth all
formed in one big flood. It will really strengthen your faith.
And you're welcome to make all the copies you want
and give them away. Don't sell them. Okay, it's my
electro property, but I give you permission to copy it
and give it away. Tried to win a war, not
build a castle.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
No, absolutely, well, guys, Doseohovin that's been doing this for
a long time, and like I mentioned, I've seen a
number of his videos and the are good resources. And
for those of you who are it sort of well,
let's say you haven't got the knowledge or you haven't
got the confidence, definitely go and check out Dr Hovin's resources.
There are other resources available online. I'll post some links
(55:11):
to them in the show description, but obviously I'll be
putting Dr Hovin's links in the show description. And for
those of you who are watching on video, you can
see where you can get older Dr Hovin there. He's
got various where you can get older in Twitter, Rumble,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
So, Doctor Hovin, it has been a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
I know you're a very very busy man and you've
got another show to do after this, so thank you
for your time. I'd love to get you back on
at some point with probably go through some questions that
are going to specific ones that maybe people get asked
on a daily basis from atheists and whatever, or questions
you know that every day people ask Christians and know
(55:54):
you're the guy sort of we can come to because you've,
like you said, you've done all these debates.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
You've debated you know many different people, so you've got
the experience and you've got the knowledge. So yeah, guys,
Dr Hovind go on his website. I've a look at
his resources. He's got books, he's got DVDs available, and
he's been doing this a long time and he does
a lot of research. And as always I get guests
on that do a lot of research, and I encourage
people to do their wrong research. So thanks for your
(56:21):
time tonight, Dodr Hovind. I'm PIL and this is beyond
the paradigm.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
My crazy. We don't use that word in here. S
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