May 5, 2025 • 70 mins
In this gripping episode, we sit down with Bill Schnoebelen—former white witch, occultist, and insider of secret esoteric traditions—to discuss his journey through the dark corridors of the occult. Bill shares first-hand accounts of the allure and power he encountered while practicing white witchcraft, and how what appeared to be light ultimately masked deeper deception. We explore the hidden dangers of spiritual pride, self-deception, and the subtle seduction of occult practices that promise enlightenment but often deliver bondage. But the most dangerous lies are the ones we tell ourselves. Whether you're curious about the mystical or seeking truth in a confusing spiritual landscape, this conversation offers powerful insights and hard-won wisdom from someone who’s been on the inside—and made it out, by the Grace of God.Linksemail:beyondtheparadigm@yahoo.comBeyond the Paradigm - YouTubeinstagram.com/paradigm1979twitter.com/paradigm_79(1) FacebookSupport The Show patreon.com/BeyondTheParadigm buymeacoffee.com/beyondthep5
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M You're here because you know something. What you know
you can't explain, but you feel it. You felt it
your entire life. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The matrix?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I had dreams that weren't just dreams.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
We accept the reality of the world with which we're presented.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Billions of people just living out their lives.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oblivious, they talks. You're good, Hey, do you believe their world?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You can deny all the things I've seen, all the
things I've discovered, not for once long because too many
others know what's happening. And then and no one, no
government agency, has jurisdiction over the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Hello, and welcome to Beyond the Paradigm. I'm your host,
Paul Brakel. Welcome back to all my regular listeners, and
if you are a new listener, what can you expect
from this podcast, Well, you can definitely expect to have
your worldview challenged. My worldview has been challenged many times
on here. This is episode one hundred and two, so
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there's plenty of episodes in the back catalog for you
to go into and have a listen to. If this
is the first time that you've listened to this podcast,
and the podcast today is an interview and it's a
fascinating interview with a fascinating guest. And this guest, Bill Schneblin,
he has a fascinating testimony. Many of you may be
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familiar with him because he does have his own YouTube channel,
and he's wrote a number of books, including Blood on
the Door Posts, which is an advanced course in spiritual
warfare Lucifer D Throned, which is Bill's testimony wrote down
in the book for him. And he's also got one
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regarding his time in freemasonry, and he exposes that in
a book called Masonry Beyond the Light. But this episode
today we look a little bit at the occult and
the power in the occult, but in particular in Bill's
time as a white witch and white witchcraft basically the
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light side of witchcraft, although it's not good. The problem
with it is it's such a great deception because it
masks the darker realities of witchcraft in general, and in particular,
what I would say regarding this interview is take note
in particular what Bill says about a Catholic priest in
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this interview. And for those of you who have listened
to a lot of my episodes, including the one where
I've interviewed Johnny Siruchin. We've talked about the Vatigan and
the Jesuits and the Roman Catholic Church in general. You'll
not be surprised by what Bill says. But just some
housekeeping now before we get into this episode. What I
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want to do is, first of all, welcome two new
members to my Patreon. So the first member is Jackie
Campbell and the second member is David Bresino. I hope
that's your name pronounced correctly. David Jacket and David signed
up to be basic members, so thank you for your support.
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And thank you to all you guys who have contributed
on buying me a coffee. There's been a lot of
people donated and it's really really appreciated so many kind
people out there, so God bless you all for helping
me out on this podcast that are run completely on
my own and like I have mentioned before, there are
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monthly costs incurred to keeping this podcast on air, so
it's really really appreciated all the support you guys are
giving me, so thank you. And the links to the
Patreon and buy Me a Coffee page are in the
show notes as usual, the links are all in there.
But the number one way and I always say this,
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and it is the number one way, And the reason
why it's the number one way is because following the
show and rating the show help with the algorithms. Basically,
they make the show more visible because there are many
many podcasts out there, as you can imagine, wouldn't even
like to hazard a guest. There'll be thousands probably, so
it just helps the show become more visible. So when
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people are looking for particular topic, the podcast will appear
higher up in the list. Therefore it's easier for people
to find because if it appears on something like page
ten of a search, no one's really gonna scroll through
all the pages to go that far. But generally if
it appears on the first page, sometimes second page, some
people do have a look through. So it just makes
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it much more visible.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So that is the.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Number one way and it's extremely helpful. And if you
haven't yet followed the show or rated the show, please
could you do that? And if you have followed the
show and haven't rated it, please leave it a rating,
because I have looked and the amount of followers does
not correspond anywhere near to the amount of ratings I've got.
There's like probably ten times as many followers as what
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there is ratings. So if you can go on there
and leave me a five star rating, that really would
be appreciated, as long as you think I've earned the
five star rating that is. Also, I'm active on social
media Twitter, Facebook, in particular on Instagram, I do post
a lot of short videos on there, and the videos
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that go on Instagram are link to the Facebook page.
So if you don't have Instagram, but you have Facebook,
find me on Facebook and you'll see the videos on
there as well. So in this episode with Bill, you're
gonna hear something that are definitely going to challenge your worldview.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But what I.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Wanted to do just before bringing Bill onto the show
is just to read a couple of scriptures just to
get people sort of in the mold that what we're
talking about. We're talking about obviously the occult, the forces
of darkness, that there actually is power in the dark side,
and no one's saying there isn't. But the point is
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you need to stay away from it. So Ephesians chapter six,
verse twelve before we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
So there is power, there's these rulers, there's this hierarchy,
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there's these principalities, and it's of the darkness of this world,
and they're in these high places. So we need to
remember that when listening to this interview, and also this
scripture from Acts twenty six, verse eighteen.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
This is basically talking.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
About the Gospel and the preaching of the Gospel and
what the preaching of the Gospel is about. Sort of
the aim of the Gospel is this. So it's chapter
twenty six of Acts, verse eighteen, and it says to
open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to light
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and from the power of Satan unto God, that they
may receive the forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them
which are sanctified by faith.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
That is in me.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
So also there it talks about the power of Satan.
And we know, or we should know by now, that
indeed he does have power. But fortunately for us all
believers should know he's not omnipotent. He has limited power.
Although his power is beyond any human power whatsoever, it
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is limited because God is all powerful. So some of
the things that Bill and I talk about, some of
you may think, oh, this is a little far fetched.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But the reality is that these.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Fallen angels, that Satan does have power, and you know,
it can easily levitake people, or make people invisible, or
transform them into animals or whatever. And yeah, you might
think this is this is ridiculous, this, but it's not.
It's happening. And there's people out there giving testimony that
they've seen these things and also been part of these things.
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And Bill today is going to say some things that
are probably going to blow your mind. So that's enough
talking from me, and without further ado, I'm now going
to bring Bill onto the show. Well, doctor Bill Sneblin
for the first time, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Thank you, it's great to be here. Brother.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well, as as usual with the show, when I have
a guest on for the first time, I always ask
them just to sort of briefly introduce the selves. So
if you could just tell us a little bit about
yourself and sort of what you're doing at this moment.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well right now, we are and have been since nineteen
ninety two, even involved with with one accured church ministries,
and basically we're we have outreaches, an area of apologetics,
defending the faith. We do charitable outreach with our Living
Waters Ministry, and we speak, we write, you know, I
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do all sorts of podcasts and whatnot. We have eight
books out and I don't even know, something like thirty
different DVD teachings and a YouTube channel. We're trying to
educate the bar body of Christ because what we keep
hearing over and over again is that people aren't getting
this kind of material in their churches. Whether it's here
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in America, I'm mean, it's probably the same thing all
over the English speaking world. So we're trying to fill
a void and equip the saints. Now, in terms of
me personally, in my background, I was raised Catholic from birth,
very devout family, and then I ended up, you know,
getting involved in the cult when I was in my
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late teens. I don't know how much time you want
to spend on this, but I was let into it
by a Catholic priest because I wanted to be a
priest and from the time. I was a little kid,
and he told me that this guy was a professor
at the minor seminary, and he told me that the
Christ had gone like to India to study with gurus
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and to Tibet. You know, you probably heard this song
and dance before, but this was brand new to me.
I mean I was a kid that was nineteen sixty eight.
I was like eighteen years old. What did I know?
And he was a priest, and back in those days
in the Catholic Church, the priest was like God. I mean,
if he said something, you wouldn't dare question it. So
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I went off and studied the occult, and by the
time I was a senior, I had become a witch.
And in fact it was an English witch named Alexanders.
I contacted him and his wife responded told me to
go to a coven here in the Midwest and get
initiated as a witch. I became a witch high priest.
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I became a druid. I was speeding through this kind
of fast. But along the way, I was studying with
this guy who was like the Grand Master Druid of
North America down in the state of Arkansas, and he
told me that something I probably should look into doing.
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Was become a Freemason. Now, this fella was an older gentleman.
He was a thirty third degree Mason in addition to
being this high level of druid. And I assume you're
listeners since you're over there in England. You know what
druids are. You know, you know they're kind of your
native pagan what's so indigenous people from before before Christianity
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came to the British Isles. So anyway, so you know,
I joined the Masonic Lodge, I got into the Blue Lodge.
I was in a Master Mason. I went through the
York right then I went through the Scottish Rite and
I went to the Shrine, which I think that's not
in Europe but it's in America, and totally got immersed
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in that stuff. Found out a lot of creepy things
which we can go into, but basically it was very Luciferian.
All you have to do is read the books. You
know that you're in the Masonic library to find that out.
So anyway, from there, I had a friend who was
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running in a cult bookstore. This is all in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
and he told me to read this the Satanic Bible,
and of course, which is I was a quote quote
unquote white witch, and we don't believe in the devil.
Why would I read the Satanic Bible. Well, he said,
it's got a lot of good ideas in it, so
I did read it. It's a very hateful book. I mean,
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if you've ever you know, had a misfortune of reading it,
it's just appalling stuff. And but you know, by that time,
I was full of demons, you know, because you mess
around with the occult, you get infested with the demonic realm.
So I was led into that. I became a member
of the Church of Satan. I studied something wanted me
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to study, and I became a second degree warlock in
the Church of Sayatan. And then from there I got
involved in hardcore Satanism and very very dark stuff. And
along the way, this is where it gets kind of bizarre.
I had sent a check every year to the Church
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of Satan in San Francisco to pay my dues to
get this newsletter they would send out. And one year,
I think it was nineteen eighty, I got to check
back from the bank and some lady from the bank
had written on it, I'll be praying for you in
the name of Jesus. Now, of course, at this time
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I was just totally messed up. I thought Jesus was
the son of Satan, so you know, I was totally
screwed up. I just laughed and threw it in a
drawer and forgot about it. Well, anyway, the next day
it felt like someone would run over me with a
freight train. I lost all my occult power. And believe me,
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the power in the occult is real, but it doesn't
come within you. It comes from demons. And people need
to understand that, because every now and then someone will
say to me, well, you know, I did a magic
spell and it worked, or I, you know, went to
a fortune teller and she told me the truth. Yeah,
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but it comes from the demonic realm. And especially if
you go to fortune tellers, they're going to misleading.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The old saying is the devil will tell you ten
true things to get one lie across the plate, and
that's what all these different occult groups will do. So anyway,
I lost all that occult power. I didn't know what
to do, and by this time I'd sold my soul
to the devil. So I was supposed to be really
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doing well and I wasn't. And so I went upstairs.
We had this and they added this temple. It was
entirely painted black, with the big statue of Pan and
all of that. I prayed. I asked Lucifer for a sign,
what's going on? Because I did everything you told me
to do and life, I had lost my job. I
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felt sick, and I don't understand this is coming from
this lady praying for me. So anyhow, even though I
was praying to Lucifer, the Almighty came on the line
and answered my prayer. And literally within the next day,
I got a phone call from these two Satanic witches
that were in Chicago. Now Chicago was just a short
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drive south of Milwaukee. They wanted to come up and
see me and give me a gift, and I thought, well, okay,
they knew I was a Satanic priest and blah blah.
So they came up and they were a couple of like,
you know, teenagers, and they gave me these Christian comics
from Chick Publications. I don't you know about Chick Publications,
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sill and anyway, I just thought they were stupid. They
gave them to me because they said they were funny,
they were so stupid, and I agreed. I threw them
in a drawer and forgot about them. So that was
the Lord, because that explained something. We lived in this
big house on Michigan Avenue in downtown Milwaukee, and no
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Christian ever came to our door. Even Jobah witnesses were
afraid to come to our door. I mean, it was
like kind of living in the Adams family house because
there was you know, I mean, we'd be out in
the backyard wearing black robes and chanting and lighting candles
and all this. And the funny thing is, well, it's
not funny, it's kind of sad. But a Methodist church
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built a brand new building that literally was on the
same block as us. I mean the back of their
property butted up against the back of our property. So
I mean I could have thrown a rock and hit
their church. They never came to the door to invite
me to church and talk to me about you know,
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faith or the gospel. Nothing. And I thought part of that, well,
this is because we have this reputation in the neighborhood,
like if you knock on our door, he might eat
you or something. So anyway, the next day, after these
two kids living in these comics, there was another knock
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on a door, and it was Mormon missionaries. And now
we had been told years earlier by this Grandmaster Druid
that if we ever got into spiritual trouble, which I
thought I was at this time, we should join the
Mormon Church. Because the Mormon Church was started by witches
for witches. And we can elaborate on that if you
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want to, but historically that is a fact. Joseph Smith,
the founder of the Mormon Church, practice sorcery. He practiced witchcraft,
he practiced the cromency. And in fact, when he was murdered,
and how much you know about the history of Mormonism,
but in eighteen forty four he was murdered in Carthage
Jail in Carthage, Illinois, where he had been arrested for
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causing a riot, and he was shot by a mob,
fell out the window of the second story of this jail,
and when they took his body to you know, prepare
it for burial, to discover that in his pocket was
a Jupiter talisman. Now a talisman is an adult object,
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and a Jupiter this predicatar one I mean, you can
actually see a picture of this talisman. It's an historical
fact and it's designed for two things. On one side,
it's a magical spell to help you be successful with girls.
And of course at this time when he was shot,
Joseph Smith had twenty seven wives, so obviously that part worked.
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And the other side was a thing to gain political power.
And he had this on his person when he was killed,
so obviously he was into the occult. So anyway, we
joined the Mormon Church and this guy that's druid Grandmaster
told me I had to go to the temples. So
we went to the Mormon Temple, went through in Salt
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Lake City, went through all the ordinances, married time and eternity,
all that, and it is all very Luciferian, if you understand.
I mean, if you're just your typical nice Mormon or
even a Christian convert to Mormonism that doesn't know much
of anything about the occult, it's only going to seem
a little weird. But it's going to seem weird. Even
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the clothing you wear is weird. But beyond that, if
you know anything about the occult or freemasonry, you're going
to find out that the Mormon temple ceremony is basically
a Masonic ritual overladen with Luciferianism. So that was where
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I was, and as a Mormon, I was called the
higher and higher positions. I became an elders Quorum president,
which sounds more impressive than it is. But anyhow, I
read through the entire Bible for the first time in
my life, because the Mormons used the King James Bible.
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And I discovered from reading the New Testament that there's
no way Paul could have been a Mormon. So basically
I studied my way out of the Mormon Church by
reading the New Testament, especially you know, Paul's epistles. And
in nineteen eighty four I went to a we had
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to move because my wife wanted to go to a
nursing school in a different city, and we had to
move from Milwaukee to the buciw which is where we
are now. And this is on the Mississippi River in
the Midwest. And I saw an ad for a prophecy seminar,
and this thing was being promoted. I went to see
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it because I thought, well, I belonged to a church
that's run by a living prophet, so maybe I can
dazzle these people with my prophetic knowledgement. Instead, there was
this evangelist running the show, and he shot me down
every time I had a question, because I never really
if you will cross swords with a Christian that knew
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their stuff, and this guy did. And finally I threw
the one question at him that Mormons used when they're
dealing with Protestants. It's the question of authority. Where do
you get the authority to do what you're doing? And
because of course the Mormon Church teaches that there's only
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two possible churches, either the Catholic Church, which of course says,
you know, claims to have this Apostolic succession all the
way back to Peter the Apostle, and because the Protestant
churches all broke away from that, and so they're like
branches that fell off the trees, so they have no authority.
And of course the Mormons believe that Joseph Smith got
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authority from God to Father and God the Son, and
then later from John the Baptist who came down and
laid hands on him. And I think it was al
Rah Cowdrey his associate to start the Mormon Church. So
they believe that's it. And this I said. I said
to this fellow, where do you get the authority to
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baptize people so they can be saved? And he said,
you know, it says in Acts sixteen thirty one, believe
in the Lord Jesus Christ and he will be saved.
And that's the verse that God had for me. Even
though I'd read that verse. You know how the Bible is,
sometimes you have to read it through several times or
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more before start to kind of metabolize themselves into your system.
So that's what happened. I went home and I fasted
and I prayed. I just couldn't. I couldn't believe it
because I invested five years of my life in the Mormonism.
But finally, I remember the comic book. I dragged it
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out of the closet. I knew there was a prayer
in the back, you know, how to become a born
again Christian. And I prayed the prayer, and I, you know,
got honestly saved. That was Dune twenty second, nineteen eighty four.
A couple of years later, I got called into the ministry.
So that's a very short version of my story.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Wow, there's a lot in there.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
I mean, the first thing I would say is when
you said of saying a Roman Catholic priest got you
into the occohol, I'm not surprised. I'm an ext Roman
Catholic myself, So as soon as you said that, I
was like, I'm not surprised. Here done quite a few
episodes recently with a gush. We've been talking about different
aspects of Roman Catholicism and now it's not Christian and
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I mean, basically, I think it's the devil's greatest deception
is the Roman Catholic Church. It's you know, false Christianity,
about one point three billion adherents around the world, all
being deceived. But it talks about witchcraft and from where
I I'm from originally in the northwest of England. The
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county I'm from. When I was in the Scouts and
the Cubs, our badge on the side of our left
arm because we was in the east of the county
and it's represented by witches, so we had a witch
on a broom on our left arm.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
This was our Cub and Scout group.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
What was the name of the county, mate, I ask, Lancashire,
Oh yeah, yeah, that's notorious for witches.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, so it's not.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, So whenever someone talks about witchcraft sort of I
want to get deeper into it because there's the Pendle
Witches and there's a lot of witchcraft in the area,
like and it's a very dark place as in spiritually,
and there's a lot of issues that. I mean, I've
moved now and I live in Wales, which has a
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has a big druid community. So you mentioned druids as well.
I mean there's there's still a lot of practice in
druids in Wales.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
You said that you contacted like a must have been
like a high priest witch in England.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Why was it someone in England you had to contact?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, you got to realize this was nineteen you know,
like nineteen sixty seven, no Internet, precious few books about
this subject. And I found this one book called King
of the Witches, and it was a biography of Alex Sanders,
who's the genre I was alluding to, claimed to be
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speaking of Wales, a direct descendant from Owen Glendawmer, who's
a famous Welsh leader and supposedly a witch high priest
and anyway, he claimed to be the King of the
Witches and he he had quite a following in the
late sixties and early seventies. I mean he's long now deceased,
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but he and his wife were running the show. And
she's the one that wrote a letter to me because
I had no way of knowing where a covenant of
witches in America would be. I mean, now you can
just get on the internet, but back then, you know,
So she told me about this covenant was in a
nearby city, and I went there, I got initiated, and
later on was made a high priest. I had to
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fly all the way to Boston to do that, but
got it done.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
So what what so, what's the process that you contacted
this guy? And then obviously there's some kind of initiation
like what what what you have to do to become one?
I'm assuming some kind of rituals or you know.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Oh yeah, Well here's the funny thing. Now, the kind
of in nowadays, there's like as many witchcraft groups, if
you will, sects of witchcraft, like the Protestant Church. You know,
there's dozens of them, and they just fractured and fractured
and fractured. And the one that I was in was
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called the Alexandrium Wicken right from Alexander's name and in
that and then the other one that was big back
in those days was a Gardenerian. And both of these
came out of England. England is more or less the
fountain head of all the witchcraft in America. You know,
we're just like we got your culture, you know, from
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being the colony, we got the witches and anyway, in
that group, those two groups are pretty similar. You go
through this ceremony, you have to be naked, you're tied up,
you've got your hands tied behind your back, and you're
blindfolded and you're letting. It's very similar except for the attire.
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It's very similar to the Masonic ritual of initiation. Because
you're challenged by a pointed object pressed to your breast.
You're made to swear an oath of secrecy. You the
Masons don't do this, but you are flogged on your
bear behind to be blunt and you're you're you're made
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to swear this oath. And here's the funny thing. The
oath that you swear as a witch in this tradition
is much more benign than the oath that you swear
as a first degree Mason. In other words, the witches
have a nicer oath than the Freemasons. Dude, make make
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sense of that, you know. But so in the when
they give you, after you you swear this oath, your
blindfold is taken off, and they give you your ritual tool,
which is like a dagger. It's called an athami. And
then you're given three sets of chords red, white, and blue.
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And that doesn't have anything to do with either the
Union jack or the United States flag. It has to
do with supposedly three currents of magic that came out
of Atlantis, power, wisdom, and love. But anyway, so that's
basically it. Then they send you on your way. You're
a first degree witch. You're a priest of witchcraft. And
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then later on they have higher level degrees. And in
the Alexandrian write, the third degree involves sexual magic, where
they believe that by having intercore and all this is done.
Back then, it was very heteronormative. It was always done
male to female, and in fact, the idea of being
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a gay person in a witch coven was unthinkable. Now
it's of course commonplace, and back then it wasn't. And
it's believed that the power is transferred by you as
a new high priest having intercourse with the high priestess.
So it's you know, it's kind of like masonry, and
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it's also kind of like Mormonism, but it's more kinky
because of course you're naked, and it's more overtly sexual
and all of that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
So you said that like you was a white witch.
Now I'm guessing that they believe that the sort of
God because all of a sudd there's black witches. I
would imagine what I mean, what's the view of these
white witches.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Uh, well, they in the Book of Shadows, which is
the Gardenerian and the Alexandrian Bible, if you will, of witchcraft,
it says there's kind of like, you know, we have
the Golden Rule in Christianity. Well they have. It's called
the wick and read r E D E and it's
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eight words the wick and read fulfill and you harm none,
do what you will. And the word end is just
an old English word. It means if you don't harm anybody,
do whatever you want. So that's the ethic of a
white witch. You can do magic for benevolent purposes like
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we would do healing magic. We would do love magic,
like to help some man or woman find their partner.
You know, we would do magic for getting money or
having someone get a job, you know, relatively benevolent things.
We would never curse anybody as a white witch now
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Satanists or if you will, and again these are not
racial terms, but a black witch or a Satanist would
have no trouble cursing somebody. And later on, when I
got into Satanism, I was cursing people and it can
be really dangerous. I mean, the story is told, I
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assume you know who Anton Levey was the head of
the Church of Satan. Well, one of his most prominent disciples,
and this is back in the sixties, was Jane Mansfield,
who was kind of a sex goddess. She wasn't as
well known as Marilyn Monroe, which she was kind of
a similar thing in Hollywood. She was very well endowed,
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she had platinum blonde hair. You know. In fact, oddly enough,
her daughter is now a star and it's one of
the police procedurals here in America, Mariska Haggerty. That's her daughter. Well, anyway,
she got involved with the Church of Satan, became very
prominently involved. She had publicity pictures taken of her kneeling
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before Anton Levy, drinking out of a chalice, you know,
holding a dagger, doing all of it. And she never
was naked or anything, but you know, doing this kind
of and this was the sixties. This is pretty kinky stuff. Well, anyway,
her agent, whose name escapes me, he said, you got
to stop doing this, Jane. It's looking bad in the press.
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You're getting bad, you know, pressed and said, well, no,
even Satanism, I'm not going to do what you say.
So anyhow, Levy contacted this guy and said, stop messing
with Jane Mansfield and telling her not to be a
part of our church, or I'm going to curse you.
I'm going to do a spell of destruction on you.
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And he said, well, I don't even believe in this hokum.
Do whatever you want. So anyhow, if you go to
the Satanic Bible, you'll see they have, among other things,
a ritual of destruction. And he did that. So this
is the story. He did that against this agent, and
he warned Jane Mansfield to stay away from him, because
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he said, throwing a curse is kind of like throwing
a lightning bolt. You never know where exactly it's going
to hit or when it's going to hit. So anyhow,
they were out driving together. She ignored his warning and
they got hit head on with a semi Jane Mansfield
and her agent, and both of them were decavity. Know,
(36:00):
the hood of the car went right back through like
a guillotine and they were both instantly decavitated. Wow, that
was a curse. So you know, this stuff is real.
But again it's the demonic. So that's a difference between
a white witch and a black wich. White witch would
never have done that. Mhmm.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I mean with regards to magic, I mean, I know
it's real. I mean we know from reading the scriptures
in exs of Things that chapter seven Moses against the
two magicians when the casting the staffs down and obviously
the snakes both of them, Moses can changes into a snake,
the magicians change those into a snake. What sort of like,
(36:41):
what sort of things have you witnessed over your time?
Like what's the most sort of I don't know where
I don't know whether to use the word spectacular, but
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, you know, I mean, you know, one of the
things that always comes to mind is when I was
first into witchcraft. I was a high school teacher. Doesn't
it make you feel good? Maybe your high school teacher
be a witch. Well, anyhow, I love ridding my bike.
It was like eleven miles to the school because we
were out in the country, and whenever it was rainy
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out in the morning, I look out the window and
I do a magic spell and the weather would change
so I could go and you know, not have to
worry about getting wet. That would be one example. I mean,
we would we you know, we would do things like that,
and you know, and of course the devil does that.
He throws you a bone. He'll let you do it
because then you put your faith in magic instead of
(37:37):
in God. You think. Because kind of the under and
again different different occultists have different views, but kind of
a broad underpinning belief is an Ultimately, you're your own God.
You have godlike power within you. All you have to
do is either through meditation or doing rituals or doing drugs,
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which I did a lot of in the seventies, you
can unleash this inner power and use it to control
your life. And they're kind of preaching the same gospel
to this very day, you know, whether it's the New
Age people or you know, even Oprah Winfrey, and you know,
all these different people that are you know, walking around
(38:22):
preaching the fake gospel of occultism. So yeah, it's real.
Another thing is I was I was doing an initiation,
a very high level Satanic initiation for this woman who
is kneeling before me to sell her soul to the devil.
And as we were in this black room that I
(38:43):
referenced earlier, kneeling before the statue of pan which is
the symbol of the devil, and all of a sudden,
out of thin air, this bronze coin drops from the
celium lands at her feet and it had on the
person an old sigil which is a kind of insignia
of Lucifer right there. And she thought this was this great,
(39:08):
and I gave it to her as kind of a token.
And then this is a really this is like an
omen And the sad part of that is is later on,
when I got born again, I went to visit her
and try and talk her into you know, getting saved,
and she was just you know, crazy as a fruit loop,
(39:30):
and she threw us out of the house. She was
frothing at the mouse. She tried to strangle me, you know.
And of course I was a baby Christian. I didn't
really understand spiritual warfare or anything like that, and so
it was kind of a route. But it's I feel
sad for that lady because I don't even know if
she's still alive. But so, yeah, real things can happen.
(39:52):
But I will tell you and your listeners this, The
miracles that I have seen since coming to Christ so
far outstrip these petty little power tricks the devil can
do that. It's not even you know, comprehensible. So people
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generally get into the occult either because they want power
or they want secret wisdom. And of course wisdom is
found in God. Wisdom is found in His word, the
Holy Bible. And obviously power comes from God, because I
tell people, you know, Matthew twenty eight is sure. Jesus
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said all power on heaven and earth is given unto me.
So if he has all power, how much power does
the devil have? None except what we stupid human beings
choose to give him and to have rain in our lives,
you know, our ei n not well either way. Really, yeah,
(40:58):
that's the fact. So it's all an illusion.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah, I mean the greatest miracle is that anyone saved.
That's the greatest miracle because that lasts for eternity, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
So I mean people, you know, God can heal people,
but they're gonna die again.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Like Lazarus, he was raised from the dead, but he died.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
So the greatest miracle is being born again because that's
permanent and that lasts for eternity.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I mean, over the years, I've.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Spoken to people who've been sort of missionaries out in Africa,
and I've spoken to people at my church who who
knew a gentle one who was the guy's name slips
my mind, but there was a particular gentleman who came
up against which is numerous times now a couple of
things that I don't know whether you've ever seen these
(41:53):
types of things before or heard of him, But the
guys who I've spoke to who have been out to Africa,
they said they witness like witch doctors basically transform it
into it like animals.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Oh yeah, absolutely. In fact, we've had a few encounter.
It's called theomorphic magic, coming from the Greek word thereon
meaning beast and morphic meaning shape. You know, the werewolf
is the best known one. Here in America, we had
what are called skin walkers, which is a Native American thing,
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and yeah, it happens. It's not common, but it does happen.
And I'll tell you I was down in Jamaica ministering
down there a couple of times, and the bishop down there,
who happened to be a native Nigerian that he migrated
to the Caribbean, he told me that he in his
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village when he was a boy in Nigeria, they had
what they called an obia man and obia if you've
heard that term, but it's a form of African magic
that is kind of the root of voodoo. Okay, and
this guy would come into the village and demand like
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a chicken or some tribute, you know, kind of like
today in America we have the mob coming and saying, okay,
pass some money or we're going to break up your store. Well,
this guy would do that, and if you would refuse
to give him your chicken or your pig or whatever
it happened to be, he would point at that. He
had this stick that he would carry and he'd point
(43:33):
a stick at the person and they'd fallward dead just
like that. And you know, that's real power and it's
from the demonic and of course part of the problem
is and he would tell me that all these people
believe in that, and if the people in the village
believe it, it's kind of like a placebo effect, or
(43:54):
actually to call it a no sebo effect, but it is.
It is very real. And you know, he said, even
in in Kingston, Jamaica where we were, he said he
still struggles with some of his flock, you know, the
people in his church that are that are born again Christians,
(44:15):
but they'll still go to an obiate person if they
want to get their kid into the right school. I mean,
it's like it's almost like looking at you know, in
the historical books of the Bible, you have how Israel
is called to the Torah to these you know, wonderful
commandments of God that they keep backsliding, they keep going
(44:37):
and you know, worshiping the bales or the golden calves
or whatever. And even to this day there are Christians
that don't understand you should not be doing this stuff
if you claim to follow Christ.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yeah, definitely, I mean the voodoo think I've sort of
witnessed some of it first. And I was in the
Dominican Republic a number of years ago, just over twenty
year years ago, and went on a tour and they
actually took us. We were still within the Dominican Republic,
but a lot of the Haitians lived there and work
in the cane fields. And they took us to this
(45:11):
Haitian village and they did this like ritual dance, and
they brought these kids out and they were dressed up
like chicken, like chickens, and they were dancing, but they
were all in a trance, and I just was I
didn't like it at all. We were just sort of
stood there, but you could sense a presence there. There
was definitely something there. And I was looking at these
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kids and there was completely gone their eyes, and I
just thought that this is, you know, serious, We're talking
serious evil here.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
I mentioned as well about a particular guy whod been
like I said, his name slips my mind, but someone
who's been spoken about in my church, but he'd come
up against, which is numerous times. This fellow is an
old preacher. But he said that some of the ones
he came up against could basically make themselves invisible.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, I could see that. I mean, I don't know
what's hard to turn into a werewol for make yourself invisible.
But again it's fueled by the demonic I mean, if
the person has got enough demonic power behind them, they
can do what appear to be miracles, but of course
they can. Let me tell you a different story here
(46:24):
that I think illustrates. We were me and the guy
who initiated me into high level Satanism, if you want
to call it that. We were hired by this fellow
to put a curse on his ex wife because she
had custody of his children and they were divorced. And
(46:45):
he figured if we could kill him, kill the wife,
then he'd get the children and would have to pay
child support or you know, go through all the legal hassles.
So we said fine. You know, he paid us five
hundred dollars, which back then a lot of money, and
we started cursing this woman and we did this, and
(47:06):
we did that. I mean, we unloaded the whole dump
truck of curses. We got out the Black pullet and
the Greater Key of Solomon and the Satanic Bible, did
all these rituals and nothing worked, and in fact, the
demons that we'd sent against this woman come back and
beat us up. And finally we did kind of a
(47:30):
seance kind of thing and said why are you coming
back and beating us up? And the demons told us,
they said, why do you keep sending us against this woman?
She's a follower of the Nazarene and she has these
angels around her and we can't get near her to
damage her or herder. And at the time, if I
(47:51):
hadn't been so arrogant and egotistical right then and there,
I would have become a Christian. But I was just deceived.
I didn't put two and two it again, and that
that would take a few years later.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Wow, I mean, I've heard, like, I can't remember who
the guy were, but it was a I'd seen it
on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
I think it were. Who was?
Speaker 5 (48:12):
He's an American chap and he was talking about when
he used to Astro project and he'd go around casting spells.
But he said Christian there was this particular church and
he said they must have been having a prayer meeting
or whatever, and he said it was like there was
like a ring of fire around the church. You couldn't
(48:33):
go near it. Obviously, you couldn't see it physically, but
in the sort of astro world, spiritual world, he said,
that's what he could see.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, oh yeah. You get that kind of testimony a
lot of it. It's a real if it's a real,
solid Bible believing church, it's very hard, you know, for
the enemy to get in there, either whether with a
human being or with a demon. And and that's why
we have a book called Blood on the Doorpost, which
(49:04):
is kind of a spiritual warfare graduate course, and you
can get it off our website with one accord dot org.
And in there we talk about how they'll do all
sorts of things to break through the defenses of a church,
Like they'll they'll put cursed odds, they'll come to the
church as a visitor and they'll put cursed objects around,
(49:28):
or they'll write, you know, some weird graffiti and the
hymn book, you know, just stuff like that. I mean,
you know, I don't want to spend too much time
on it, but they will try, you know, and open
up a doorway so that because if you're pastor and
his flock are really doing damage to the Kingdom of darkness.
They're going to do everything they can to take out
(49:49):
that church.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
Yeah, well it's a war, isn't it. So yeah, and
Christians needs understand that because I think sometimes they forget this,
and I'm my I think I've probably said this before
on here, but it's a war that doesn't end until
you're dead, as simple as that. It's every day, every
moment of every day. And it's not just what we're
(50:13):
talking about, like you know, which is flying around and
casting spells and all this type of stuff, but warfare,
a lot of it's in the mind from the moment
you wake up. There can be fiery dort's being thrown
in there, because a lot of the time when youre
are people talking about spiritual warfare, it's all this really
sort of you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
All dead like exciting.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
You know, we're battling with the forces of darkness, but
the reality is much more mundane. On a daily basis,
you're battling the world, the flesh and the devil, and
it's a battle that goes.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
On and on and on and only I mean.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Unless obviously, like you've lived a life like you have
where you was in that you've seen a lot of
that stuff and then come out of it. Your average
Christian isn't going to really come up against probably a
war warlock or someone from the church, you say, and
they might have a debate with a Jovias witness or
a moment, which is also spiritual warfare because they're propagating
(51:10):
lies and you're trying to obviously spread the truth. And
evangelism's a form of spiritual warfare because we're attacking the
kingdom of darkness, and obviously you're praying daily and things
like that. Because you get people going, no, I need
to learn spiritual warfare. Well, spiritual warfare is first of all,
being right with God, praying, being in the scriptures every
(51:32):
single day, being disciplined. Being in the scriptures. You get
people going, yeah, well I'm not religious. I like to
sort of go with the flow. Well you need I
find that you need discipline. I pray in the morning,
I pray in the evening. I read the scriptures twice
a day because I find that that is the way
I keep sort of on the straight and narrow. Because
(51:53):
whatever you're putting in, it's got to be you know
what I mean, You're going to get out if you're
put in garbage and filth in it's not going to
be long before you're drifting away from the Lord. So
like I have people contactly sometimes sending a new Christian
and things like that, and that's my sort of advice
to them that we're talking about some really dark stuff
and stuff that people think, oh, your it's really exciting this.
(52:15):
But the reality is spiritual warfare is every time you
wake up, you're in a spiritual battle because you're battling
with your own old nature is the number one battle.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
I think, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, And you're right. I
mean it's about discipline. I mean I tell people, you know,
if you're like in the military, I mean the same
way over in England. You know, you go through boot camp,
there's a discipline, and we're in the Lord's Army and
(52:46):
you can't just I call them pew potatoes. You know,
they just sit in the pew and get their pabble
and fed to them and they don't ever do anything else.
And they think somehow they're you know, they need to
have a spiritual discipline. You know, I totally agree with you.
You need to pray, you need to read your Bible
and you know, meditate on the word, absolutely do it
(53:10):
every day.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
That's definitely a thing that people need to do more
because we live in this busy world and we're always
like doing something. But sitting and thinking and meditating is
definitely an important part of your Christian walk, not not
just praying and not just reading the Bible, but meditating
(54:02):
on it and also taking stock of your own self,
as in, well a am I deceiving myself? Because deception
is obviously we know the devil subtle. It says it's
more subtle than all beasts of the field. But not
only that, it says the heart is deceitful above all
things and desperately wicked. So number one, I'm myself deceiving
(54:23):
or is the devil deceiving? Is the things that I
believe that aren't right. Go back to the scriptures and
find out, do you know what I mean? These are
things that I challenge myself with all the time because.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
You get people.
Speaker 5 (54:33):
I speak to a lot of people, and I find
it's like a cultural Christianity. I think there's more of
it over where you are than over here, because in
terms of being post Christian, I think we're fifty years.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Ahead of you guys. We're really bad over here.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
But you speak to people un there's this sort of
cultural Christianity and I think to myself, do they have
the reality?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Though?
Speaker 5 (54:57):
Is it just words? But what's the reality of it?
Because you get people going, well, I asked Jesus into
my heart. Well, I've said to people in past, well
that's not in the Bible, that's not biblical, you know
what I mean. So deceptions like a massive thing. And
that was actually following on to one of my next questions. Actually,
what sort of rituals or events that like stand out
(55:20):
to you as being like especially dangerous or deceptive.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Well, I mean, frankly, any kind of occult thing is
very very dangerous. I mean, you know, and of course
the darker it is, the worst it is. And the
problem is is that a lot of this stuff seems
kind of denign It seems kind of white light, you know,
(55:45):
or whatever. But I mean, the same thing is true
life with Freemason people, the men you know, and of
course women are in it too, that that are Freemasons
don't understand that they have put their foot into a
snake pit. Masonry is a spiritual snake pit. It's bail worship.
(56:06):
And even though it looks very benevolent, and they have
all these charitable things they do, you know, the whole thing.
But most of the stuff that's really spiritually dangerous is
kind of camouflaged. I mean, you have to be kind
of a special sort of stupid to read the Satanic Bible.
I was, you know, because it's so overtly nasty. But
(56:32):
if you you know, you look at the Masonic Lodge
or you look at the Mormon Church from the outside,
they look really nice, really benevolent, and yet they're as
spiritually dangerous as the occult, because to a degree, they
are the occult. And so I mean in terms of
(56:53):
what obviously, if you sell your soul of the devil,
which I did, that's extremely dan dangerous. If you participate
in seances, that's extremely dangerous. If you use a Wiji board,
you know, even as witches, we were worn by our
teachers as witches, never used a Wigi board because it's
(57:16):
the easiest way to get demon possessed if you use
a Wigi board. And of course, back in the day,
you know, the Exorcist movie came out, and it was
nineteen seventy three, and the whole premise of that was
at the little girl in the movie found a wigi
board in the attic and started playing with it, and
(57:37):
this Captain Howdie was talking to her through the wigi board.
Before you knew it, her head was spinning around and
you know, she was demon possessed. So that's another example.
I mean, Unfortunately, there's all sorts of traps that the
devil lays for you. And you know, even even like
doing things like getting involved in gambling, getting involved in
(57:59):
drug there's an alcohol getting involved with pornography, which is
so pernicious nowadays, all those things can be open doorways
to the demonic, even though they're not overtly occultic, but
yet they open up a doorway the devil can't come
in and attack you. Yeah, like you say, garbage in,
(58:21):
garbage out. If you put filth like pornography stuff into
your head, that's what's gonna be festering in your heart
instead of reading the Bible or playing Christian worship music
or whatever. You know, you're gonna start falling fast.
Speaker 5 (58:39):
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, because we're constantly bombarded with filth. Really,
I mean, if you I tell people at the time,
if you've got television to turn it off because because
it's just it's just that all the time, it's just
I mean I've noticed even like on I don't know,
simple adverts to do with, but a broadband provider for example,
(59:05):
you know it'll have some random advert and there'll be
two men on it.
Speaker 3 (59:10):
Who were clearly you know, partners. Like it's there all.
Speaker 5 (59:16):
The time and it's subtle, and they're breaking people down
because they're making like these things acceptable. So people do
need to be i mean, extremely careful on what they're watching.
And I don't think people understand the level of evil
now that's overtly in our faces because people have become
(59:38):
desensitized to it.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, you're right. I mean it's like you know the
old proverb about putting a frog in the lukewarm water
and turning it up gradually. I mean, if people, like
when I was a child in the nineteen fifties, if
you were to show somebody the things that are now
on primetime TV, they would have shot the TV and
the bits with an AX. They would have been so horrified.
(01:00:05):
And yet now, I mean I can remember they used
to have what they call the Family Hour in America,
at least for like from seven o'clock to eight o'clock
our time zone. You know, you had to have programming
that was clean. They didn't have bad language or allusions
to improper sex. That's gone totally out the window because
(01:00:28):
of course now we have twenty four to seven cable
and kids can watch anything anytime anywhere.
Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Yeah, it's like I remember, like because obviously we've been
talking about witchcraft and I thing I think I remember,
like when the Harry Potter series began lose first like
the books and then the films, and you know, people
even Christians has going, oh it's almost fun than things
like that. But there has been people sucked into that
(01:00:57):
world that you was in just through that them books,
them films.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yes, yeah, I mean people dismissed the power of culture.
They don't understand that if you let your child read
like Harry Potter or some of these you know, spin
off books that are related to it, it's going to
corrupt that child's worldview, just like you know, I tell
(01:01:25):
the story. When I was in college, I'm a big
s sci fi science fiction fan, and I got ahold
of a book Stranger and as Strange Land by Robert Heinland. Now,
if you've ever heard of him or of the book,
but he was like one of the Golden Age science
fiction masters, along with Asimov and Arthur C. Clark And anyhow,
(01:01:46):
this book was about a guy that was raised on
Mars when he was human, and he came to Earth
and he started a sex cult which was basically like Wicca.
And I read this book at the same time I
was being told by this priest to become an occultist.
And the devil took that book and meshed it together
(01:02:07):
with the advice of this priest, and off I went
and I started studying the occult. So, yeah, you need
to be careful. Even people say, well it's fiction, Well
it might be fiction, but we I am a colleague
of mine, Wendell Elmstitz. We did a presentation of a
big spiritual warfare conference like twenty years ago. It was
(01:02:29):
called to Harry or Not to Harry, and you can
get We have it as a video, and I think
we also have a Vimeo to download. And anyway, it's
like we listed like forty different things in the Harry
Potter books that are authentic witchcraft practices. I mean some
(01:02:50):
of it's fictitious. Obviously, people aren't flying around on brooms
playing quidditch, but much of it is authentic witchcraft and
kids are drawn into it from there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Yeah, it's very dangerous, and I was shocked at some
people's attitudes within the so called Christian church.
Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I was like, oh, you're going over the top. Like
I've been told you're going over the top.
Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
It's not that dangerous, but obviously they don't know the
reality of the things like that you've seen and everything. Well,
I mean, Bill, I've got like loads more questions for you,
but I don't want to like gloss over them, and
I find it better to do sort of an in
depth like we've done.
Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
We've touched on one topic there.
Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
There's multiple things we can talk about, but I think
that we're better off wrapping it up because I'd really
love to get you back on I mean, you've got
so many interesting things to talk about and helpful things
for Christians, because that's what it's all about at the
end of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
We want to help people.
Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
We want to steer them away from the darkness and
point them to the light. So just before we go,
could you tell people were like, you've obviously you've got
the website, so tell us about the website and like
your YouTube some of the books you've reatt.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, well, we do have. Our website is with one
accord dot org and we have all of my books
are on there and all the DVDs and we're we
got our website kind of got attacked and we're working.
We had a lot of free resources on it. We're
trying to get those back up and running. But it's
kind of a process, an expensive one at that. But
(01:04:27):
the books I've written Blood in the Door post i mentioned,
it's about spiritual warfare and deliverance. We have Masonry Beyond
the Light, you know, which obviously is about freemasonry. We
have eluciferty Throned, which is my auto biography, and then
we have Wicca Satan's Little White Lie, which is about
white witchcraft. And additionally we have Romancing Death, which was
(01:04:54):
written about the whole upsurge of the whole vampire thing
that you know happened then the early you know, part
of the last decade, you know, with Twilight and Interview
with a Vampire and all that kind of garbage. So
we have all of that, and then we have lots
of DVDs on a wide variety of topics everything from
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you know, spiritual warfare to Hanukkah to deliverance. Stuff on Catholicism,
you probably enjoy it. We have a thing on the
Catholic Church called The Church on Haunted Hill that's a DVD.
And you know, because I was raised Catholic, I was
in a Catholic seminary, I know all the dirt. You know,
(01:05:38):
I can bring the receipts as they're saying nowadays, so
very very powerful video teaching. And we have Mormonism's Temple
of Doom, which is about the Mormon Church obviously, and
so there's a lot of stuff out there. We have
our YouTube channel which is going on three hundred videos
that goes in a wide range of stuff. We also
(01:06:00):
have a Rumble channel. It's lions Den doctor William Sneblin
on Rumble because there's a lot of stuff we do
that's just too hot for YouTube, if you know what
I mean. And we also have a lot of our
people like you that are over and across the pond
or down in Australia or wherever. Because the post it
(01:06:21):
is so expensive, we've started putting as many of our
videos as we possibly can onto Vimeo. So people can
just download them for modest fee. Like there was this
one poor fellow he ordered one DVD from US and
he was in Sydney, Australia. The DVD costs fifteen ninety five.
The postage costs like thirty five dollars. You know, it's
(01:06:44):
like twice the cost of the actual product. But you
know that's the reality nowadays. So we have all of that,
and you know, we try to have as much resources
out there as we possibly can, as you say, to
help Christian come to terms of the reality of the spiritual
realm and also to understand how they can have victory
(01:07:09):
because a lot of believers are struggling with various things
because they don't understand the dynamic of how they can.
You know, they might very well have something like a
generational sin problem, like a lot of people will have
Masons in their ancestry and that brags them down spiritually,
that kind of thing. So we try to get that
(01:07:31):
information out there.
Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
No, it sounds like a great, you know, set of
resources there, and unfortunately, I think in a lot of churches,
a lot of the stuff we've talked about, it's definitely
never addressed. And then when the people are faced with it,
they just don't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
And you know, the devils.
Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Are powerful for but we know he's limited and that's
you know, the Lord's all powerful, so we need.
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
To remember that.
Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
I think one of the things that I will just
close with is just people need to read the Book
of Job really, just even just the first couple of
chapters and just take no that Satan presents himself before
the Lord with the other sons of God, and the
Lord gives him instruction what he can and can't do.
So we need to remember that that he's not all powerful. Yeah,
(01:08:20):
God's gonna let him do certain things, but ultimately the
Lord wins. Well, Bill, it's been fantastic talking to you.
Like I said, I could talk to you about you know,
more stuff, but I think it's better to just wrap
it up now and get you back on sometimes.
Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
So thanks for your time tonight. Bill.
Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, I'd be happy to do this anytime, certainly.
Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
No, it's been it's been brilliant.
Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
So guys, Yeah, Bill's stuff there. He's told you about
the website. We've talked about some dark stuff, but it's
real stuff. I've heard other things over the years. Bill's
witness things firsthand, all I would say is pray, read
your Bible, walk with God, and guys, I'll be back
next week with a new guest. Bill will be back
(01:09:08):
on here. There's a number of topics that I want
to address with Bill. Fascinating stuff, but thanks again Bill.
So guys, I'll be back next week. I'm Paul, and
this is beyond the paradigm.
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
My crazy. We don't use that word in here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
S
M You're here because you know something. What you know
you can't explain, but you feel it. You felt it
your entire life. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The matrix?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I had dreams that weren't just dreams.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
We accept the reality of the world with which we're presented.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Billions of people just living out their lives.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oblivious, they talks. You're good, Hey, do you believe their world?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You can deny all the things I've seen, all the
things I've discovered, not for once long because too many
others know what's happening. And then and no one, no
government agency, has jurisdiction over the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Hello, and welcome to Beyond the Paradigm. I'm your host,
Paul Brakel. Welcome back to all my regular listeners, and
if you are a new listener, what can you expect
from this podcast, Well, you can definitely expect to have
your worldview challenged. My worldview has been challenged many times
on here. This is episode one hundred and two, so
(01:28):
there's plenty of episodes in the back catalog for you
to go into and have a listen to. If this
is the first time that you've listened to this podcast,
and the podcast today is an interview and it's a
fascinating interview with a fascinating guest. And this guest, Bill Schneblin,
he has a fascinating testimony. Many of you may be
(01:49):
familiar with him because he does have his own YouTube channel,
and he's wrote a number of books, including Blood on
the Door Posts, which is an advanced course in spiritual
warfare Lucifer D Throned, which is Bill's testimony wrote down
in the book for him. And he's also got one
(02:11):
regarding his time in freemasonry, and he exposes that in
a book called Masonry Beyond the Light. But this episode
today we look a little bit at the occult and
the power in the occult, but in particular in Bill's
time as a white witch and white witchcraft basically the
(02:33):
light side of witchcraft, although it's not good. The problem
with it is it's such a great deception because it
masks the darker realities of witchcraft in general, and in particular,
what I would say regarding this interview is take note
in particular what Bill says about a Catholic priest in
(02:53):
this interview. And for those of you who have listened
to a lot of my episodes, including the one where
I've interviewed Johnny Siruchin. We've talked about the Vatigan and
the Jesuits and the Roman Catholic Church in general. You'll
not be surprised by what Bill says. But just some
housekeeping now before we get into this episode. What I
(03:15):
want to do is, first of all, welcome two new
members to my Patreon. So the first member is Jackie
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And thank you to all you guys who have contributed
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people donated and it's really really appreciated so many kind
people out there, so God bless you all for helping
me out on this podcast that are run completely on
my own and like I have mentioned before, there are
(03:57):
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it's really really appreciated all the support you guys are
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But the number one way and I always say this,
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and it is the number one way, And the reason
why it's the number one way is because following the
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it just helps the show become more visible. So when
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people are looking for particular topic, the podcast will appear
higher up in the list. Therefore it's easier for people
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people do have a look through. So it just makes
(05:00):
it much more visible.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So that is the.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Number one way and it's extremely helpful. And if you
haven't yet followed the show or rated the show, please
could you do that? And if you have followed the
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There's like probably ten times as many followers as what
(05:25):
there is ratings. So if you can go on there
and leave me a five star rating, that really would
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a lot of short videos on there, and the videos
(05:46):
that go on Instagram are link to the Facebook page.
So if you don't have Instagram, but you have Facebook,
find me on Facebook and you'll see the videos on
there as well. So in this episode with Bill, you're
gonna hear something that are definitely going to challenge your worldview.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But what I.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Wanted to do just before bringing Bill onto the show
is just to read a couple of scriptures just to
get people sort of in the mold that what we're
talking about. We're talking about obviously the occult, the forces
of darkness, that there actually is power in the dark side,
and no one's saying there isn't. But the point is
(06:25):
you need to stay away from it. So Ephesians chapter six,
verse twelve before we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
So there is power, there's these rulers, there's this hierarchy,
(06:50):
there's these principalities, and it's of the darkness of this world,
and they're in these high places. So we need to
remember that when listening to this interview, and also this
scripture from Acts twenty six, verse eighteen.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
This is basically talking.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
About the Gospel and the preaching of the Gospel and
what the preaching of the Gospel is about. Sort of
the aim of the Gospel is this. So it's chapter
twenty six of Acts, verse eighteen, and it says to
open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to light
(07:30):
and from the power of Satan unto God, that they
may receive the forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them
which are sanctified by faith.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
That is in me.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
So also there it talks about the power of Satan.
And we know, or we should know by now, that
indeed he does have power. But fortunately for us all
believers should know he's not omnipotent. He has limited power.
Although his power is beyond any human power whatsoever, it
(08:10):
is limited because God is all powerful. So some of
the things that Bill and I talk about, some of
you may think, oh, this is a little far fetched.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But the reality is that these.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Fallen angels, that Satan does have power, and you know,
it can easily levitake people, or make people invisible, or
transform them into animals or whatever. And yeah, you might
think this is this is ridiculous, this, but it's not.
It's happening. And there's people out there giving testimony that
they've seen these things and also been part of these things.
(08:45):
And Bill today is going to say some things that
are probably going to blow your mind. So that's enough
talking from me, and without further ado, I'm now going
to bring Bill onto the show. Well, doctor Bill Sneblin
for the first time, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Thank you, it's great to be here. Brother.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well, as as usual with the show, when I have
a guest on for the first time, I always ask
them just to sort of briefly introduce the selves. So
if you could just tell us a little bit about
yourself and sort of what you're doing at this moment.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well right now, we are and have been since nineteen
ninety two, even involved with with one accured church ministries,
and basically we're we have outreaches, an area of apologetics,
defending the faith. We do charitable outreach with our Living
Waters Ministry, and we speak, we write, you know, I
(09:46):
do all sorts of podcasts and whatnot. We have eight
books out and I don't even know, something like thirty
different DVD teachings and a YouTube channel. We're trying to
educate the bar body of Christ because what we keep
hearing over and over again is that people aren't getting
this kind of material in their churches. Whether it's here
(10:10):
in America, I'm mean, it's probably the same thing all
over the English speaking world. So we're trying to fill
a void and equip the saints. Now, in terms of
me personally, in my background, I was raised Catholic from birth,
very devout family, and then I ended up, you know,
getting involved in the cult when I was in my
(10:32):
late teens. I don't know how much time you want
to spend on this, but I was let into it
by a Catholic priest because I wanted to be a
priest and from the time. I was a little kid,
and he told me that this guy was a professor
at the minor seminary, and he told me that the
Christ had gone like to India to study with gurus
(10:57):
and to Tibet. You know, you probably heard this song
and dance before, but this was brand new to me.
I mean I was a kid that was nineteen sixty eight.
I was like eighteen years old. What did I know?
And he was a priest, and back in those days
in the Catholic Church, the priest was like God. I mean,
if he said something, you wouldn't dare question it. So
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I went off and studied the occult, and by the
time I was a senior, I had become a witch.
And in fact it was an English witch named Alexanders.
I contacted him and his wife responded told me to
go to a coven here in the Midwest and get
initiated as a witch. I became a witch high priest.
(11:42):
I became a druid. I was speeding through this kind
of fast. But along the way, I was studying with
this guy who was like the Grand Master Druid of
North America down in the state of Arkansas, and he
told me that something I probably should look into doing.
(12:03):
Was become a Freemason. Now, this fella was an older gentleman.
He was a thirty third degree Mason in addition to
being this high level of druid. And I assume you're
listeners since you're over there in England. You know what
druids are. You know, you know they're kind of your
native pagan what's so indigenous people from before before Christianity
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came to the British Isles. So anyway, so you know,
I joined the Masonic Lodge, I got into the Blue Lodge.
I was in a Master Mason. I went through the
York right then I went through the Scottish Rite and
I went to the Shrine, which I think that's not
in Europe but it's in America, and totally got immersed
(12:49):
in that stuff. Found out a lot of creepy things
which we can go into, but basically it was very Luciferian.
All you have to do is read the books. You
know that you're in the Masonic library to find that out.
So anyway, from there, I had a friend who was
(13:10):
running in a cult bookstore. This is all in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
and he told me to read this the Satanic Bible,
and of course, which is I was a quote quote
unquote white witch, and we don't believe in the devil.
Why would I read the Satanic Bible. Well, he said,
it's got a lot of good ideas in it, so
I did read it. It's a very hateful book. I mean,
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if you've ever you know, had a misfortune of reading it,
it's just appalling stuff. And but you know, by that time,
I was full of demons, you know, because you mess
around with the occult, you get infested with the demonic realm.
So I was led into that. I became a member
of the Church of Satan. I studied something wanted me
(13:55):
to study, and I became a second degree warlock in
the Church of Sayatan. And then from there I got
involved in hardcore Satanism and very very dark stuff. And
along the way, this is where it gets kind of bizarre.
I had sent a check every year to the Church
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of Satan in San Francisco to pay my dues to
get this newsletter they would send out. And one year,
I think it was nineteen eighty, I got to check
back from the bank and some lady from the bank
had written on it, I'll be praying for you in
the name of Jesus. Now, of course, at this time
(14:40):
I was just totally messed up. I thought Jesus was
the son of Satan, so you know, I was totally
screwed up. I just laughed and threw it in a
drawer and forgot about it. Well, anyway, the next day
it felt like someone would run over me with a
freight train. I lost all my occult power. And believe me,
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the power in the occult is real, but it doesn't
come within you. It comes from demons. And people need
to understand that, because every now and then someone will
say to me, well, you know, I did a magic
spell and it worked, or I, you know, went to
a fortune teller and she told me the truth. Yeah,
(15:20):
but it comes from the demonic realm. And especially if
you go to fortune tellers, they're going to misleading.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The old saying is the devil will tell you ten
true things to get one lie across the plate, and
that's what all these different occult groups will do. So anyway,
I lost all that occult power. I didn't know what
to do, and by this time I'd sold my soul
to the devil. So I was supposed to be really
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doing well and I wasn't. And so I went upstairs.
We had this and they added this temple. It was
entirely painted black, with the big statue of Pan and
all of that. I prayed. I asked Lucifer for a sign,
what's going on? Because I did everything you told me
to do and life, I had lost my job. I
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felt sick, and I don't understand this is coming from
this lady praying for me. So anyhow, even though I
was praying to Lucifer, the Almighty came on the line
and answered my prayer. And literally within the next day,
I got a phone call from these two Satanic witches
that were in Chicago. Now Chicago was just a short
(16:32):
drive south of Milwaukee. They wanted to come up and
see me and give me a gift, and I thought, well, okay,
they knew I was a Satanic priest and blah blah.
So they came up and they were a couple of like,
you know, teenagers, and they gave me these Christian comics
from Chick Publications. I don't you know about Chick Publications,
(16:55):
sill and anyway, I just thought they were stupid. They
gave them to me because they said they were funny,
they were so stupid, and I agreed. I threw them
in a drawer and forgot about them. So that was
the Lord, because that explained something. We lived in this
big house on Michigan Avenue in downtown Milwaukee, and no
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Christian ever came to our door. Even Jobah witnesses were
afraid to come to our door. I mean, it was
like kind of living in the Adams family house because
there was you know, I mean, we'd be out in
the backyard wearing black robes and chanting and lighting candles
and all this. And the funny thing is, well, it's
not funny, it's kind of sad. But a Methodist church
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built a brand new building that literally was on the
same block as us. I mean the back of their
property butted up against the back of our property. So
I mean I could have thrown a rock and hit
their church. They never came to the door to invite
me to church and talk to me about you know,
(18:04):
faith or the gospel. Nothing. And I thought part of that, well,
this is because we have this reputation in the neighborhood,
like if you knock on our door, he might eat
you or something. So anyway, the next day, after these
two kids living in these comics, there was another knock
(18:25):
on a door, and it was Mormon missionaries. And now
we had been told years earlier by this Grandmaster Druid
that if we ever got into spiritual trouble, which I
thought I was at this time, we should join the
Mormon Church. Because the Mormon Church was started by witches
for witches. And we can elaborate on that if you
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want to, but historically that is a fact. Joseph Smith,
the founder of the Mormon Church, practice sorcery. He practiced witchcraft,
he practiced the cromency. And in fact, when he was murdered,
and how much you know about the history of Mormonism,
but in eighteen forty four he was murdered in Carthage
Jail in Carthage, Illinois, where he had been arrested for
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causing a riot, and he was shot by a mob,
fell out the window of the second story of this jail,
and when they took his body to you know, prepare
it for burial, to discover that in his pocket was
a Jupiter talisman. Now a talisman is an adult object,
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and a Jupiter this predicatar one I mean, you can
actually see a picture of this talisman. It's an historical
fact and it's designed for two things. On one side,
it's a magical spell to help you be successful with girls.
And of course at this time when he was shot,
Joseph Smith had twenty seven wives, so obviously that part worked.
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And the other side was a thing to gain political power.
And he had this on his person when he was killed,
so obviously he was into the occult. So anyway, we
joined the Mormon Church and this guy that's druid Grandmaster
told me I had to go to the temples. So
we went to the Mormon Temple, went through in Salt
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Lake City, went through all the ordinances, married time and eternity,
all that, and it is all very Luciferian, if you understand.
I mean, if you're just your typical nice Mormon or
even a Christian convert to Mormonism that doesn't know much
of anything about the occult, it's only going to seem
a little weird. But it's going to seem weird. Even
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the clothing you wear is weird. But beyond that, if
you know anything about the occult or freemasonry, you're going
to find out that the Mormon temple ceremony is basically
a Masonic ritual overladen with Luciferianism. So that was where
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I was, and as a Mormon, I was called the
higher and higher positions. I became an elders Quorum president,
which sounds more impressive than it is. But anyhow, I
read through the entire Bible for the first time in
my life, because the Mormons used the King James Bible.
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And I discovered from reading the New Testament that there's
no way Paul could have been a Mormon. So basically
I studied my way out of the Mormon Church by
reading the New Testament, especially you know, Paul's epistles. And
in nineteen eighty four I went to a we had
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to move because my wife wanted to go to a
nursing school in a different city, and we had to
move from Milwaukee to the buciw which is where we
are now. And this is on the Mississippi River in
the Midwest. And I saw an ad for a prophecy seminar,
and this thing was being promoted. I went to see
(22:11):
it because I thought, well, I belonged to a church
that's run by a living prophet, so maybe I can
dazzle these people with my prophetic knowledgement. Instead, there was
this evangelist running the show, and he shot me down
every time I had a question, because I never really
if you will cross swords with a Christian that knew
(22:34):
their stuff, and this guy did. And finally I threw
the one question at him that Mormons used when they're
dealing with Protestants. It's the question of authority. Where do
you get the authority to do what you're doing? And
because of course the Mormon Church teaches that there's only
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two possible churches, either the Catholic Church, which of course says,
you know, claims to have this Apostolic succession all the
way back to Peter the Apostle, and because the Protestant
churches all broke away from that, and so they're like
branches that fell off the trees, so they have no authority.
And of course the Mormons believe that Joseph Smith got
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authority from God to Father and God the Son, and
then later from John the Baptist who came down and
laid hands on him. And I think it was al
Rah Cowdrey his associate to start the Mormon Church. So
they believe that's it. And this I said. I said
to this fellow, where do you get the authority to
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baptize people so they can be saved? And he said,
you know, it says in Acts sixteen thirty one, believe
in the Lord Jesus Christ and he will be saved.
And that's the verse that God had for me. Even
though I'd read that verse. You know how the Bible is,
sometimes you have to read it through several times or
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more before start to kind of metabolize themselves into your system.
So that's what happened. I went home and I fasted
and I prayed. I just couldn't. I couldn't believe it
because I invested five years of my life in the Mormonism.
But finally, I remember the comic book. I dragged it
(24:18):
out of the closet. I knew there was a prayer
in the back, you know, how to become a born
again Christian. And I prayed the prayer, and I, you know,
got honestly saved. That was Dune twenty second, nineteen eighty four.
A couple of years later, I got called into the ministry.
So that's a very short version of my story.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Wow, there's a lot in there.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
I mean, the first thing I would say is when
you said of saying a Roman Catholic priest got you
into the occohol, I'm not surprised. I'm an ext Roman
Catholic myself, So as soon as you said that, I
was like, I'm not surprised. Here done quite a few
episodes recently with a gush. We've been talking about different
aspects of Roman Catholicism and now it's not Christian and
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I mean, basically, I think it's the devil's greatest deception
is the Roman Catholic Church. It's you know, false Christianity,
about one point three billion adherents around the world, all
being deceived. But it talks about witchcraft and from where
I I'm from originally in the northwest of England. The
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county I'm from. When I was in the Scouts and
the Cubs, our badge on the side of our left
arm because we was in the east of the county
and it's represented by witches, so we had a witch
on a broom on our left arm.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
This was our Cub and Scout group.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
What was the name of the county, mate, I ask, Lancashire,
Oh yeah, yeah, that's notorious for witches.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, so it's not.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, So whenever someone talks about witchcraft sort of I
want to get deeper into it because there's the Pendle
Witches and there's a lot of witchcraft in the area,
like and it's a very dark place as in spiritually,
and there's a lot of issues that. I mean, I've
moved now and I live in Wales, which has a
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has a big druid community. So you mentioned druids as well.
I mean there's there's still a lot of practice in
druids in Wales.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
You said that you contacted like a must have been
like a high priest witch in England.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Why was it someone in England you had to contact?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, you got to realize this was nineteen you know,
like nineteen sixty seven, no Internet, precious few books about
this subject. And I found this one book called King
of the Witches, and it was a biography of Alex Sanders,
who's the genre I was alluding to, claimed to be
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speaking of Wales, a direct descendant from Owen Glendawmer, who's
a famous Welsh leader and supposedly a witch high priest
and anyway, he claimed to be the King of the
Witches and he he had quite a following in the
late sixties and early seventies. I mean he's long now deceased,
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but he and his wife were running the show. And
she's the one that wrote a letter to me because
I had no way of knowing where a covenant of
witches in America would be. I mean, now you can
just get on the internet, but back then, you know,
So she told me about this covenant was in a
nearby city, and I went there, I got initiated, and
later on was made a high priest. I had to
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fly all the way to Boston to do that, but
got it done.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
So what what so, what's the process that you contacted
this guy? And then obviously there's some kind of initiation
like what what what you have to do to become one?
I'm assuming some kind of rituals or you know.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Oh yeah, Well here's the funny thing. Now, the kind
of in nowadays, there's like as many witchcraft groups, if
you will, sects of witchcraft, like the Protestant Church. You know,
there's dozens of them, and they just fractured and fractured
and fractured. And the one that I was in was
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called the Alexandrium Wicken right from Alexander's name and in
that and then the other one that was big back
in those days was a Gardenerian. And both of these
came out of England. England is more or less the
fountain head of all the witchcraft in America. You know,
we're just like we got your culture, you know, from
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being the colony, we got the witches and anyway, in
that group, those two groups are pretty similar. You go
through this ceremony, you have to be naked, you're tied up,
you've got your hands tied behind your back, and you're
blindfolded and you're letting. It's very similar except for the attire.
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It's very similar to the Masonic ritual of initiation. Because
you're challenged by a pointed object pressed to your breast.
You're made to swear an oath of secrecy. You the
Masons don't do this, but you are flogged on your
bear behind to be blunt and you're you're you're made
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to swear this oath. And here's the funny thing. The
oath that you swear as a witch in this tradition
is much more benign than the oath that you swear
as a first degree Mason. In other words, the witches
have a nicer oath than the Freemasons. Dude, make make
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sense of that, you know. But so in the when
they give you, after you you swear this oath, your
blindfold is taken off, and they give you your ritual tool,
which is like a dagger. It's called an athami. And
then you're given three sets of chords red, white, and blue.
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And that doesn't have anything to do with either the
Union jack or the United States flag. It has to
do with supposedly three currents of magic that came out
of Atlantis, power, wisdom, and love. But anyway, so that's
basically it. Then they send you on your way. You're
a first degree witch. You're a priest of witchcraft. And
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then later on they have higher level degrees. And in
the Alexandrian write, the third degree involves sexual magic, where
they believe that by having intercore and all this is done.
Back then, it was very heteronormative. It was always done
male to female, and in fact, the idea of being
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a gay person in a witch coven was unthinkable. Now
it's of course commonplace, and back then it wasn't. And
it's believed that the power is transferred by you as
a new high priest having intercourse with the high priestess.
So it's you know, it's kind of like masonry, and
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it's also kind of like Mormonism, but it's more kinky
because of course you're naked, and it's more overtly sexual
and all of that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
So you said that like you was a white witch.
Now I'm guessing that they believe that the sort of
God because all of a sudd there's black witches. I
would imagine what I mean, what's the view of these
white witches.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Uh, well, they in the Book of Shadows, which is
the Gardenerian and the Alexandrian Bible, if you will, of witchcraft,
it says there's kind of like, you know, we have
the Golden Rule in Christianity. Well they have. It's called
the wick and read r E D E and it's
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eight words the wick and read fulfill and you harm none,
do what you will. And the word end is just
an old English word. It means if you don't harm anybody,
do whatever you want. So that's the ethic of a
white witch. You can do magic for benevolent purposes like
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we would do healing magic. We would do love magic,
like to help some man or woman find their partner.
You know, we would do magic for getting money or
having someone get a job, you know, relatively benevolent things.
We would never curse anybody as a white witch now
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Satanists or if you will, and again these are not
racial terms, but a black witch or a Satanist would
have no trouble cursing somebody. And later on, when I
got into Satanism, I was cursing people and it can
be really dangerous. I mean, the story is told, I
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assume you know who Anton Levey was the head of
the Church of Satan. Well, one of his most prominent disciples,
and this is back in the sixties, was Jane Mansfield,
who was kind of a sex goddess. She wasn't as
well known as Marilyn Monroe, which she was kind of
a similar thing in Hollywood. She was very well endowed,
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she had platinum blonde hair. You know. In fact, oddly enough,
her daughter is now a star and it's one of
the police procedurals here in America, Mariska Haggerty. That's her daughter. Well, anyway,
she got involved with the Church of Satan, became very
prominently involved. She had publicity pictures taken of her kneeling
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before Anton Levy, drinking out of a chalice, you know,
holding a dagger, doing all of it. And she never
was naked or anything, but you know, doing this kind
of and this was the sixties. This is pretty kinky stuff. Well, anyway,
her agent, whose name escapes me, he said, you got
to stop doing this, Jane. It's looking bad in the press.
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You're getting bad, you know, pressed and said, well, no,
even Satanism, I'm not going to do what you say.
So anyhow, Levy contacted this guy and said, stop messing
with Jane Mansfield and telling her not to be a
part of our church, or I'm going to curse you.
I'm going to do a spell of destruction on you.
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And he said, well, I don't even believe in this hokum.
Do whatever you want. So anyhow, if you go to
the Satanic Bible, you'll see they have, among other things,
a ritual of destruction. And he did that. So this
is the story. He did that against this agent, and
he warned Jane Mansfield to stay away from him, because
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he said, throwing a curse is kind of like throwing
a lightning bolt. You never know where exactly it's going
to hit or when it's going to hit. So anyhow,
they were out driving together. She ignored his warning and
they got hit head on with a semi Jane Mansfield
and her agent, and both of them were decavity. Know,
(36:00):
the hood of the car went right back through like
a guillotine and they were both instantly decavitated. Wow, that
was a curse. So you know, this stuff is real.
But again it's the demonic. So that's a difference between
a white witch and a black wich. White witch would
never have done that. Mhmm.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I mean with regards to magic, I mean, I know
it's real. I mean we know from reading the scriptures
in exs of Things that chapter seven Moses against the
two magicians when the casting the staffs down and obviously
the snakes both of them, Moses can changes into a snake,
the magicians change those into a snake. What sort of like,
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what sort of things have you witnessed over your time?
Like what's the most sort of I don't know where
I don't know whether to use the word spectacular, but
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, you know, I mean, you know, one of the
things that always comes to mind is when I was
first into witchcraft. I was a high school teacher. Doesn't
it make you feel good? Maybe your high school teacher
be a witch. Well, anyhow, I love ridding my bike.
It was like eleven miles to the school because we
were out in the country, and whenever it was rainy
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out in the morning, I look out the window and
I do a magic spell and the weather would change
so I could go and you know, not have to
worry about getting wet. That would be one example. I mean,
we would we you know, we would do things like that,
and you know, and of course the devil does that.
He throws you a bone. He'll let you do it
because then you put your faith in magic instead of
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in God. You think. Because kind of the under and
again different different occultists have different views, but kind of
a broad underpinning belief is an Ultimately, you're your own God.
You have godlike power within you. All you have to
do is either through meditation or doing rituals or doing drugs,
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which I did a lot of in the seventies, you
can unleash this inner power and use it to control
your life. And they're kind of preaching the same gospel
to this very day, you know, whether it's the New
Age people or you know, even Oprah Winfrey, and you know,
all these different people that are you know, walking around
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preaching the fake gospel of occultism. So yeah, it's real.
Another thing is I was I was doing an initiation,
a very high level Satanic initiation for this woman who
is kneeling before me to sell her soul to the devil.
And as we were in this black room that I
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referenced earlier, kneeling before the statue of pan which is
the symbol of the devil, and all of a sudden,
out of thin air, this bronze coin drops from the
celium lands at her feet and it had on the
person an old sigil which is a kind of insignia
of Lucifer right there. And she thought this was this great,
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and I gave it to her as kind of a token.
And then this is a really this is like an
omen And the sad part of that is is later on,
when I got born again, I went to visit her
and try and talk her into you know, getting saved,
and she was just you know, crazy as a fruit loop,
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and she threw us out of the house. She was
frothing at the mouse. She tried to strangle me, you know.
And of course I was a baby Christian. I didn't
really understand spiritual warfare or anything like that, and so
it was kind of a route. But it's I feel
sad for that lady because I don't even know if
she's still alive. But so, yeah, real things can happen.
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But I will tell you and your listeners this, The
miracles that I have seen since coming to Christ so
far outstrip these petty little power tricks the devil can
do that. It's not even you know, comprehensible. So people
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generally get into the occult either because they want power
or they want secret wisdom. And of course wisdom is
found in God. Wisdom is found in His word, the
Holy Bible. And obviously power comes from God, because I
tell people, you know, Matthew twenty eight is sure. Jesus
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said all power on heaven and earth is given unto me.
So if he has all power, how much power does
the devil have? None except what we stupid human beings
choose to give him and to have rain in our lives,
you know, our ei n not well either way. Really, yeah,
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that's the fact. So it's all an illusion.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah, I mean the greatest miracle is that anyone saved.
That's the greatest miracle because that lasts for eternity, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
So I mean people, you know, God can heal people,
but they're gonna die again.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Like Lazarus, he was raised from the dead, but he died.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
So the greatest miracle is being born again because that's
permanent and that lasts for eternity.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I mean, over the years, I've.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Spoken to people who've been sort of missionaries out in Africa,
and I've spoken to people at my church who who
knew a gentle one who was the guy's name slips
my mind, but there was a particular gentleman who came
up against which is numerous times now a couple of
things that I don't know whether you've ever seen these
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types of things before or heard of him, But the
guys who I've spoke to who have been out to Africa,
they said they witness like witch doctors basically transform it
into it like animals.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Oh yeah, absolutely. In fact, we've had a few encounter.
It's called theomorphic magic, coming from the Greek word thereon
meaning beast and morphic meaning shape. You know, the werewolf
is the best known one. Here in America, we had
what are called skin walkers, which is a Native American thing,
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and yeah, it happens. It's not common, but it does happen.
And I'll tell you I was down in Jamaica ministering
down there a couple of times, and the bishop down there,
who happened to be a native Nigerian that he migrated
to the Caribbean, he told me that he in his
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village when he was a boy in Nigeria, they had
what they called an obia man and obia if you've
heard that term, but it's a form of African magic
that is kind of the root of voodoo. Okay, and
this guy would come into the village and demand like
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a chicken or some tribute, you know, kind of like
today in America we have the mob coming and saying, okay,
pass some money or we're going to break up your store. Well,
this guy would do that, and if you would refuse
to give him your chicken or your pig or whatever
it happened to be, he would point at that. He
had this stick that he would carry and he'd point
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a stick at the person and they'd fallward dead just
like that. And you know, that's real power and it's
from the demonic and of course part of the problem
is and he would tell me that all these people
believe in that, and if the people in the village
believe it, it's kind of like a placebo effect, or
(43:54):
actually to call it a no sebo effect, but it is.
It is very real. And you know, he said, even
in in Kingston, Jamaica where we were, he said he
still struggles with some of his flock, you know, the
people in his church that are that are born again Christians,
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but they'll still go to an obiate person if they
want to get their kid into the right school. I mean,
it's like it's almost like looking at you know, in
the historical books of the Bible, you have how Israel
is called to the Torah to these you know, wonderful
commandments of God that they keep backsliding, they keep going
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and you know, worshiping the bales or the golden calves
or whatever. And even to this day there are Christians
that don't understand you should not be doing this stuff
if you claim to follow Christ.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yeah, definitely, I mean the voodoo think I've sort of
witnessed some of it first. And I was in the
Dominican Republic a number of years ago, just over twenty
year years ago, and went on a tour and they
actually took us. We were still within the Dominican Republic,
but a lot of the Haitians lived there and work
in the cane fields. And they took us to this
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Haitian village and they did this like ritual dance, and
they brought these kids out and they were dressed up
like chicken, like chickens, and they were dancing, but they
were all in a trance, and I just was I
didn't like it at all. We were just sort of
stood there, but you could sense a presence there. There
was definitely something there. And I was looking at these
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kids and there was completely gone their eyes, and I
just thought that this is, you know, serious, We're talking
serious evil here.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
I mentioned as well about a particular guy whod been
like I said, his name slips my mind, but someone
who's been spoken about in my church, but he'd come
up against, which is numerous times. This fellow is an
old preacher. But he said that some of the ones
he came up against could basically make themselves invisible.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, I could see that. I mean, I don't know
what's hard to turn into a werewol for make yourself invisible.
But again it's fueled by the demonic I mean, if
the person has got enough demonic power behind them, they
can do what appear to be miracles, but of course
they can. Let me tell you a different story here
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that I think illustrates. We were me and the guy
who initiated me into high level Satanism, if you want
to call it that. We were hired by this fellow
to put a curse on his ex wife because she
had custody of his children and they were divorced. And
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he figured if we could kill him, kill the wife,
then he'd get the children and would have to pay
child support or you know, go through all the legal hassles.
So we said fine. You know, he paid us five
hundred dollars, which back then a lot of money, and
we started cursing this woman and we did this, and
(47:06):
we did that. I mean, we unloaded the whole dump
truck of curses. We got out the Black pullet and
the Greater Key of Solomon and the Satanic Bible, did
all these rituals and nothing worked, and in fact, the
demons that we'd sent against this woman come back and
beat us up. And finally we did kind of a
(47:30):
seance kind of thing and said why are you coming
back and beating us up? And the demons told us,
they said, why do you keep sending us against this woman?
She's a follower of the Nazarene and she has these
angels around her and we can't get near her to
damage her or herder. And at the time, if I
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hadn't been so arrogant and egotistical right then and there,
I would have become a Christian. But I was just deceived.
I didn't put two and two it again, and that
that would take a few years later.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Wow, I mean, I've heard, like, I can't remember who
the guy were, but it was a I'd seen it
on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
I think it were. Who was?
Speaker 5 (48:12):
He's an American chap and he was talking about when
he used to Astro project and he'd go around casting spells.
But he said Christian there was this particular church and
he said they must have been having a prayer meeting
or whatever, and he said it was like there was
like a ring of fire around the church. You couldn't
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go near it. Obviously, you couldn't see it physically, but
in the sort of astro world, spiritual world, he said,
that's what he could see.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, oh yeah. You get that kind of testimony a
lot of it. It's a real if it's a real,
solid Bible believing church, it's very hard, you know, for
the enemy to get in there, either whether with a
human being or with a demon. And and that's why
we have a book called Blood on the Doorpost, which
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is kind of a spiritual warfare graduate course, and you
can get it off our website with one accord dot org.
And in there we talk about how they'll do all
sorts of things to break through the defenses of a church,
Like they'll they'll put cursed odds, they'll come to the
church as a visitor and they'll put cursed objects around,
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or they'll write, you know, some weird graffiti and the
hymn book, you know, just stuff like that. I mean,
you know, I don't want to spend too much time
on it, but they will try, you know, and open
up a doorway so that because if you're pastor and
his flock are really doing damage to the Kingdom of darkness.
They're going to do everything they can to take out
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that church.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
Yeah, well it's a war, isn't it. So yeah, and
Christians needs understand that because I think sometimes they forget this,
and I'm my I think I've probably said this before
on here, but it's a war that doesn't end until
you're dead, as simple as that. It's every day, every
moment of every day. And it's not just what we're
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talking about, like you know, which is flying around and
casting spells and all this type of stuff, but warfare,
a lot of it's in the mind from the moment
you wake up. There can be fiery dort's being thrown
in there, because a lot of the time when youre
are people talking about spiritual warfare, it's all this really
sort of you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
All dead like exciting.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
You know, we're battling with the forces of darkness, but
the reality is much more mundane. On a daily basis,
you're battling the world, the flesh and the devil, and
it's a battle that goes.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
On and on and on and only I mean.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Unless obviously, like you've lived a life like you have
where you was in that you've seen a lot of
that stuff and then come out of it. Your average
Christian isn't going to really come up against probably a
war warlock or someone from the church, you say, and
they might have a debate with a Jovias witness or
a moment, which is also spiritual warfare because they're propagating
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lies and you're trying to obviously spread the truth. And
evangelism's a form of spiritual warfare because we're attacking the
kingdom of darkness, and obviously you're praying daily and things
like that. Because you get people going, no, I need
to learn spiritual warfare. Well, spiritual warfare is first of all,
being right with God, praying, being in the scriptures every
(51:32):
single day, being disciplined. Being in the scriptures. You get
people going, yeah, well I'm not religious. I like to
sort of go with the flow. Well you need I
find that you need discipline. I pray in the morning,
I pray in the evening. I read the scriptures twice
a day because I find that that is the way
I keep sort of on the straight and narrow. Because
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whatever you're putting in, it's got to be you know
what I mean, You're going to get out if you're
put in garbage and filth in it's not going to
be long before you're drifting away from the Lord. So
like I have people contactly sometimes sending a new Christian
and things like that, and that's my sort of advice
to them that we're talking about some really dark stuff
and stuff that people think, oh, your it's really exciting this.
(52:15):
But the reality is spiritual warfare is every time you
wake up, you're in a spiritual battle because you're battling
with your own old nature is the number one battle.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
I think, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, And you're right. I
mean it's about discipline. I mean I tell people, you know,
if you're like in the military, I mean the same
way over in England. You know, you go through boot camp,
there's a discipline, and we're in the Lord's Army and
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you can't just I call them pew potatoes. You know,
they just sit in the pew and get their pabble
and fed to them and they don't ever do anything else.
And they think somehow they're you know, they need to
have a spiritual discipline. You know, I totally agree with you.
You need to pray, you need to read your Bible
and you know, meditate on the word, absolutely do it
(53:10):
every day.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
That's definitely a thing that people need to do more
because we live in this busy world and we're always
like doing something. But sitting and thinking and meditating is
definitely an important part of your Christian walk, not not
just praying and not just reading the Bible, but meditating
(54:02):
on it and also taking stock of your own self,
as in, well a am I deceiving myself? Because deception
is obviously we know the devil subtle. It says it's
more subtle than all beasts of the field. But not
only that, it says the heart is deceitful above all
things and desperately wicked. So number one, I'm myself deceiving
(54:23):
or is the devil deceiving? Is the things that I
believe that aren't right. Go back to the scriptures and
find out, do you know what I mean? These are
things that I challenge myself with all the time because.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
You get people.
Speaker 5 (54:33):
I speak to a lot of people, and I find
it's like a cultural Christianity. I think there's more of
it over where you are than over here, because in
terms of being post Christian, I think we're fifty years.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Ahead of you guys. We're really bad over here.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
But you speak to people un there's this sort of
cultural Christianity and I think to myself, do they have
the reality?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Though?
Speaker 5 (54:57):
Is it just words? But what's the reality of it?
Because you get people going, well, I asked Jesus into
my heart. Well, I've said to people in past, well
that's not in the Bible, that's not biblical, you know
what I mean. So deceptions like a massive thing. And
that was actually following on to one of my next questions. Actually,
what sort of rituals or events that like stand out
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to you as being like especially dangerous or deceptive.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Well, I mean, frankly, any kind of occult thing is
very very dangerous. I mean, you know, and of course
the darker it is, the worst it is. And the
problem is is that a lot of this stuff seems
kind of denign It seems kind of white light, you know,
(55:45):
or whatever. But I mean, the same thing is true
life with Freemason people, the men you know, and of
course women are in it too, that that are Freemasons
don't understand that they have put their foot into a
snake pit. Masonry is a spiritual snake pit. It's bail worship.
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And even though it looks very benevolent, and they have
all these charitable things they do, you know, the whole thing.
But most of the stuff that's really spiritually dangerous is
kind of camouflaged. I mean, you have to be kind
of a special sort of stupid to read the Satanic Bible.
I was, you know, because it's so overtly nasty. But
(56:32):
if you you know, you look at the Masonic Lodge
or you look at the Mormon Church from the outside,
they look really nice, really benevolent, and yet they're as
spiritually dangerous as the occult, because to a degree, they
are the occult. And so I mean in terms of
(56:53):
what obviously, if you sell your soul of the devil,
which I did, that's extremely dan dangerous. If you participate
in seances, that's extremely dangerous. If you use a Wiji board,
you know, even as witches, we were worn by our
teachers as witches, never used a Wigi board because it's
(57:16):
the easiest way to get demon possessed if you use
a Wigi board. And of course, back in the day,
you know, the Exorcist movie came out, and it was
nineteen seventy three, and the whole premise of that was
at the little girl in the movie found a wigi
board in the attic and started playing with it, and
(57:37):
this Captain Howdie was talking to her through the wigi board.
Before you knew it, her head was spinning around and
you know, she was demon possessed. So that's another example.
I mean, Unfortunately, there's all sorts of traps that the
devil lays for you. And you know, even even like
doing things like getting involved in gambling, getting involved in
(57:59):
drug there's an alcohol getting involved with pornography, which is
so pernicious nowadays, all those things can be open doorways
to the demonic, even though they're not overtly occultic, but
yet they open up a doorway the devil can't come
in and attack you. Yeah, like you say, garbage in,
(58:21):
garbage out. If you put filth like pornography stuff into
your head, that's what's gonna be festering in your heart
instead of reading the Bible or playing Christian worship music
or whatever. You know, you're gonna start falling fast.
Speaker 5 (58:39):
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, because we're constantly bombarded with filth. Really,
I mean, if you I tell people at the time,
if you've got television to turn it off because because
it's just it's just that all the time, it's just
I mean I've noticed even like on I don't know,
simple adverts to do with, but a broadband provider for example,
(59:05):
you know it'll have some random advert and there'll be
two men on it.
Speaker 3 (59:10):
Who were clearly you know, partners. Like it's there all.
Speaker 5 (59:16):
The time and it's subtle, and they're breaking people down
because they're making like these things acceptable. So people do
need to be i mean, extremely careful on what they're watching.
And I don't think people understand the level of evil
now that's overtly in our faces because people have become
(59:38):
desensitized to it.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, you're right. I mean it's like you know the
old proverb about putting a frog in the lukewarm water
and turning it up gradually. I mean, if people, like
when I was a child in the nineteen fifties, if
you were to show somebody the things that are now
on primetime TV, they would have shot the TV and
the bits with an AX. They would have been so horrified.
(01:00:05):
And yet now, I mean I can remember they used
to have what they call the Family Hour in America,
at least for like from seven o'clock to eight o'clock
our time zone. You know, you had to have programming
that was clean. They didn't have bad language or allusions
to improper sex. That's gone totally out the window because
(01:00:28):
of course now we have twenty four to seven cable
and kids can watch anything anytime anywhere.
Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Yeah, it's like I remember, like because obviously we've been
talking about witchcraft and I thing I think I remember,
like when the Harry Potter series began lose first like
the books and then the films, and you know, people
even Christians has going, oh it's almost fun than things
like that. But there has been people sucked into that
(01:00:57):
world that you was in just through that them books,
them films.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yes, yeah, I mean people dismissed the power of culture.
They don't understand that if you let your child read
like Harry Potter or some of these you know, spin
off books that are related to it, it's going to
corrupt that child's worldview, just like you know, I tell
(01:01:25):
the story. When I was in college, I'm a big
s sci fi science fiction fan, and I got ahold
of a book Stranger and as Strange Land by Robert Heinland. Now,
if you've ever heard of him or of the book,
but he was like one of the Golden Age science
fiction masters, along with Asimov and Arthur C. Clark And anyhow,
(01:01:46):
this book was about a guy that was raised on
Mars when he was human, and he came to Earth
and he started a sex cult which was basically like Wicca.
And I read this book at the same time I
was being told by this priest to become an occultist.
And the devil took that book and meshed it together
(01:02:07):
with the advice of this priest, and off I went
and I started studying the occult. So, yeah, you need
to be careful. Even people say, well it's fiction, Well
it might be fiction, but we I am a colleague
of mine, Wendell Elmstitz. We did a presentation of a
big spiritual warfare conference like twenty years ago. It was
(01:02:29):
called to Harry or Not to Harry, and you can
get We have it as a video, and I think
we also have a Vimeo to download. And anyway, it's
like we listed like forty different things in the Harry
Potter books that are authentic witchcraft practices. I mean some
(01:02:50):
of it's fictitious. Obviously, people aren't flying around on brooms
playing quidditch, but much of it is authentic witchcraft and
kids are drawn into it from there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Yeah, it's very dangerous, and I was shocked at some
people's attitudes within the so called Christian church.
Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I was like, oh, you're going over the top. Like
I've been told you're going over the top.
Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
It's not that dangerous, but obviously they don't know the
reality of the things like that you've seen and everything. Well,
I mean, Bill, I've got like loads more questions for you,
but I don't want to like gloss over them, and
I find it better to do sort of an in
depth like we've done.
Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
We've touched on one topic there.
Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
There's multiple things we can talk about, but I think
that we're better off wrapping it up because I'd really
love to get you back on I mean, you've got
so many interesting things to talk about and helpful things
for Christians, because that's what it's all about at the
end of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
We want to help people.
Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
We want to steer them away from the darkness and
point them to the light. So just before we go,
could you tell people were like, you've obviously you've got
the website, so tell us about the website and like
your YouTube some of the books you've reatt.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, well, we do have. Our website is with one
accord dot org and we have all of my books
are on there and all the DVDs and we're we
got our website kind of got attacked and we're working.
We had a lot of free resources on it. We're
trying to get those back up and running. But it's
kind of a process, an expensive one at that. But
(01:04:27):
the books I've written Blood in the Door post i mentioned,
it's about spiritual warfare and deliverance. We have Masonry Beyond
the Light, you know, which obviously is about freemasonry. We
have eluciferty Throned, which is my auto biography, and then
we have Wicca Satan's Little White Lie, which is about
white witchcraft. And additionally we have Romancing Death, which was
(01:04:54):
written about the whole upsurge of the whole vampire thing
that you know happened then the early you know, part
of the last decade, you know, with Twilight and Interview
with a Vampire and all that kind of garbage. So
we have all of that, and then we have lots
of DVDs on a wide variety of topics everything from
(01:05:16):
you know, spiritual warfare to Hanukkah to deliverance. Stuff on Catholicism,
you probably enjoy it. We have a thing on the
Catholic Church called The Church on Haunted Hill that's a DVD.
And you know, because I was raised Catholic, I was
in a Catholic seminary, I know all the dirt. You know,
(01:05:38):
I can bring the receipts as they're saying nowadays, so
very very powerful video teaching. And we have Mormonism's Temple
of Doom, which is about the Mormon Church obviously, and
so there's a lot of stuff out there. We have
our YouTube channel which is going on three hundred videos
that goes in a wide range of stuff. We also
(01:06:00):
have a Rumble channel. It's lions Den doctor William Sneblin
on Rumble because there's a lot of stuff we do
that's just too hot for YouTube, if you know what
I mean. And we also have a lot of our
people like you that are over and across the pond
or down in Australia or wherever. Because the post it
(01:06:21):
is so expensive, we've started putting as many of our
videos as we possibly can onto Vimeo. So people can
just download them for modest fee. Like there was this
one poor fellow he ordered one DVD from US and
he was in Sydney, Australia. The DVD costs fifteen ninety five.
The postage costs like thirty five dollars. You know, it's
(01:06:44):
like twice the cost of the actual product. But you
know that's the reality nowadays. So we have all of that,
and you know, we try to have as much resources
out there as we possibly can, as you say, to
help Christian come to terms of the reality of the spiritual
realm and also to understand how they can have victory
(01:07:09):
because a lot of believers are struggling with various things
because they don't understand the dynamic of how they can.
You know, they might very well have something like a
generational sin problem, like a lot of people will have
Masons in their ancestry and that brags them down spiritually,
that kind of thing. So we try to get that
(01:07:31):
information out there.
Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
No, it sounds like a great, you know, set of
resources there, and unfortunately, I think in a lot of churches,
a lot of the stuff we've talked about, it's definitely
never addressed. And then when the people are faced with it,
they just don't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
And you know, the devils.
Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Are powerful for but we know he's limited and that's
you know, the Lord's all powerful, so we need.
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
To remember that.
Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
I think one of the things that I will just
close with is just people need to read the Book
of Job really, just even just the first couple of
chapters and just take no that Satan presents himself before
the Lord with the other sons of God, and the
Lord gives him instruction what he can and can't do.
So we need to remember that that he's not all powerful. Yeah,
(01:08:20):
God's gonna let him do certain things, but ultimately the
Lord wins. Well, Bill, it's been fantastic talking to you.
Like I said, I could talk to you about you know,
more stuff, but I think it's better to just wrap
it up now and get you back on sometimes.
Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
So thanks for your time tonight. Bill.
Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, I'd be happy to do this anytime, certainly.
Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
No, it's been it's been brilliant.
Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
So guys, Yeah, Bill's stuff there. He's told you about
the website. We've talked about some dark stuff, but it's
real stuff. I've heard other things over the years. Bill's
witness things firsthand, all I would say is pray, read
your Bible, walk with God, and guys, I'll be back
next week with a new guest. Bill will be back
(01:09:08):
on here. There's a number of topics that I want
to address with Bill. Fascinating stuff, but thanks again Bill.
So guys, I'll be back next week. I'm Paul, and
this is beyond the paradigm.
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
My crazy. We don't use that word in here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
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