July 4, 2025 • 65 mins
In this explosive episode of Beyond the Paradigm, we sit down with filmmaker Mike OTT, director of McVeigh, to dig deep into the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing — a pivotal moment in American history. Was Timothy McVeigh truly a lone wolf, or does the official story leave too many questions unanswered?We explore the film’s bold take on McVeigh’s motives, the shadowy figure known as “John Doe #2,” and the controversial theory that federal agencies may have had prior knowledge of the attack. We also touch on alleged links to the Clinton administration, the murky world of informants and provocateurs, and how crisis actor theories continue to shape public distrust in the media.Zooming out, we question how culture itself shapes our worldview — and how government narratives, media portrayals, and national trauma rewire our collective sense of reality. This episode challenges listeners to ask: What do we believe, and who taught us to believe it?Linksemail:beyondtheparadigm@yahoo.comBeyond the Paradigm - YouTubeinstagram.com/paradigm1979twitter.com/paradigm_79(1) FacebookSupport The Showpatreon.com/BeyondTheParadigmbuymeacoffee.com/beyondthep5Guest LinksWatch McVeigh | Prime Video
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links in the show description. Now, the main thrust of
this episode today is the Oklahoma City bombing. And for
those of you that don't know what the Oklahoma City
bombing is, it was basically the official story is that
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it was an act of domestic terrorism. It was a
truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murray Federal Building in
Oklahoma City in the United States on April nineteenth, nineteen
ninety five, carried out by a former ar Enforces veteran
Timothy McVeigh, and my guest today is Mike Ott. Mike
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is an independent filmmaker and he is the director and
core screenwriter of a new film entitled McVeigh, which is
a psychological thriller which depicts the deadliest acts of terrorism
in US history, the Oklahoma City bombing. And I want
to give a little shout out to Mike's wife, is He,
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because is He got in contact with me because Mike
and is He both listened to this podcast, so they're
actually listeners of the show, and she contacted me and
told me about Mike's film McVeigh and whether I would
be interested in an actual interview with Mike, which I
said absolutely I would because I have had listeners on
here requesting that I cover the Oklahoma City bombing. So
(04:46):
this is the episode in which I cover it. Mike
and I also talk about a few other things as well,
but what I want to say with regards to any
kind of act of terrorism. So I live over here
in the UK, originally from England, now live in Wales.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But England has suffered much.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Terrorism over the years at the hands of the IRA
There has been Muslim sort of terrorism as well, but
a lot of these when you look into them, particularly
the seven seven bombings in London, the official story is
not true. And what I would say, the official story,
it's never true. Whatever they come out with straight away,
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it's not true. Just like the story regarding nine to eleven.
You know, nineteen Arab hijackers, indestructible passports and all this
type of stuff. It's not true. And all it takes
to expose these narratives is research, guys, is your own
independent research, Be methodical, question things, and you will actually
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be shocked at how fake everything is, how many lies
are told that you actually cannot believe your eyes. When
you are watching television. One of the questions is you've
got to ask yourself when you're watching sort of the news.
If you do watch the mainstream news, I would highly
recommend not watching it. But if you're watching it, you
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want to ask yourself the question, why are they actually
covering this story? Who's behind the camera, who's talking, what
are the motives? A camera angle can actually change the
whole story because it shapes your perception of what is
actually going on. I may have mentioned this before on here,
but I have posted this I think on a video
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on Instagram and it shows a journalist and behind him
is what looks like a large crowd. So looking down
the camera from there, it's sort of like tunnel vision
type thing. The guy's doing his little report that looks
like there's a large crowd behind him with flags, and
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it looks like there's some kind of protest going on,
and it looks like it's a very large protest. However,
there is another camera angle taken from above, and what
you actually see is there's only a handful of people
behind him, and all around people are just getting on
with the lives. There's cars driving up the road, there's
people walking down the street with shopping and everything. So
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that camera angle has shaped what you think's going on
because you think there's some huge process going on, and
in reality, it was just a handful of people. So
beware of the mainstream media. They're not here to inform you.
They're here to misinform you, to deceive you, and to
push the narrative of the controllers, the ones in the
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background who run things. And it's not the politicians, they
are just the puppets. And before we get into this episode,
I would say that I'm not an expert on the
Oklahoma City bombing. I know far more about the nine
to eleven attack in America. I do remember it. There's
people who possibly wan't from other countries, but in the
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United States, you are going to know about the Oklahoma
City bombing. So without further ado, I'm now gonna go
and bring Mike onto the show.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well for the.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
First time, Mike, I'd really like to welcome you to
the show. And just for everyone that is listening, Mike
is actually a listener of the show as well, So
this is a real pleasure for me to welcome an
actual listener for the first time on an interview to
the show.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So welcome Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Thanks man, am I the first one.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
You are the first one who who I know for
a fact listens to the show who's now speaking to me.
So that's awesome, man, it's brilliant. So, as I usually
do with all my guests when they've been on for
the first time, can you just tell us a little
bit about yourself, So your background, because you do you
don't have a regular job like a lot of people,
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but you have a really interesting job, So tell us
about what you do.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Well. I went to art school at Keler Art's up
the Hill, Caliverrine's to do the arts. I got my
master's degree and I got out of film school kind
of thinking I was like going to get into the
industry and you know, and so I went on I
was going on these meetings to meet producers and stuff.
And one day I went to drive to LA from
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where I live. It's like it takes like two hours
with traffic probably, and I drove one morning to meet
this producer and like two hours in traffic. And he
got there and he was like, oh, I forgot my notes,
Like let's meet again next week. And I was like
a son of a bitch man, I just drove two hours,
you know what I mean. And I was just kind
of done. At that point, I realized it was like
this is not going anywhere. So I kind of started
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making my own films with my friends, you know, like
five people, and I made like a series of films
out in the desert. And then I got the idea
for the McVeigh film, and it took forever to get
funding for it, and I think it's also my last film.
I think film is dead. I think the film industry
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is dead. Most like boring people in the world. I
want nothing to do with them. And don't get me wrong, like,
I'm really glad I got to make this movie. I'm
happy with the movie, but just being around these people
is miserable. I don't it's just that fan life is
too short.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I think absolutely, life's too short.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
It is and I say it a lot on this
You've probably heard me say it about time and how
time is so important you can't get it back, and
a lot of us, let's face it, waste our time.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I'm guilty of that certainly.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
So yeah, So you're an independent filmmaker and what we're
going to talk about today is something particularly that will
be remembered in the United States. But like I told you,
I remember it. So it's the Oklahoma City bomb in
the film that you made was called McVeigh. So what
was your initial inspiration to sort of create this film?
(10:54):
They was there like a moment or a piece of
evidence that sport your interest.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I had watched that this that documentary bout John Ronson.
He did this BBC like four part series. He did
one on David I, he did another one on Ruby Ridge,
and he did one to open the City. And I mean,
he's kind of annoying. But I think part of that
was interesting is that he kind of goes of all
the conspiracies, which I didn't know there were so many
(11:22):
conspiracies about it, you know, growing up, I kind of
just had heard like the mainstream kind of narrative, and
then once I realized what a rabbit hole it was,
I was just like obsessed with it, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, I mean, like I am familiar with a few
of the sort of theories surrounding it.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Like which ones? Which ones are you familiar with? Over
that caeriod?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
One of the ones that I've heard, I don't know
whether this is probably one that's more fringies to do
with the Clintons. Yeah, you know which, Well, we can
touch on that in a little bit more detail. But
have you faced any resistance or censorship while making it
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or releasing it?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's funny you asked that, man, because like, uh, I
mean we in April. This last April was the thirty
year anniversary, right, and I don't know what's going on
with my distributor my producers, but there was like not
one piece of press on the movie which would come
out a month before that, like nothing, which is kind
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of impossible unless you're like purposely trying to silence it
and something where it's going on. And I don't want
to sound like I'm so important, but there's something very
strange going on with the movie. Like they did like
no press for the movie. They set up these interviews
for the actors on these like podcasts with like and whatever.
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They're like a bunch of famous people in the movie.
And the whole reason you have famous people just like
to use their fane to promote the movie. Thought, I
thought it was the first time I've ever worked with
famous people, right, And they were putting them on podcasts
with like a guy who had like two hundred subscribers.
One of the ones they went on, dude has forty
six views after two months. That's embarrassing. Yeah, So it's
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either one thing. It's either like, well, you're terrible at
your job or there's something going on. And it's like,
I find it impossible to think that, like you know,
like Alfie Allen and Ashley Benson, all these people who
have I mean there's there's YouTube clips of grass growing
that as were views.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Like what happened. I know, at a certain point they
wanted me to take this media training to talk about
my movie, and I said, like, that's absurd. And they
kind of wanted me to talk about like January sixth
and all this stuff, and I was like absolutely that man,
you know, and there's I mean kind of predictable things
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that you know, kind of lived hard to talk about,
you know what they're worries, which they're not really worrying.
You know, they all live in mansions and have nice lives.
They're you know, suddenly really worried about January sixth. So
I don't know, I don't know what happened, but something
very strange happened, and a shift in promoting the movie,
which is nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
So this podcast goes out around one hundred and forty
six countries.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That's where my listeners span across.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
So you're gonna get some coverage as long as, for
some reason it don't end up Shadow Band.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You're gonna get more than forty six one hundred and
forty six Yeah awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
So so so then obviously a lot of people in
US listen to me. Sure, they're probably like sixty percent
of my audience, but then the forty percent is spread
across the variety of countries. So for those people that
aren't sort of really familiar with it, just give us
a real break down of the Oklahoma City bombing sort
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of the narrative behind it.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Well, I guess the mainstream narrative is that there was
this guy, Timothy McVeigh, and he was with another guy
from the military named Terry Nichols, and they built this bomb,
which neither one of them really had bomb making skills,
but supposedly they built this bomb and they pulled it
up in front of the Alfred Hemur Building on the
April nineteenth, which was the anniversary of Waco, the two
(15:29):
aunniversary of the Waco siege, and supposed that they blew
it up. Actually, well, Terry didn't go, but Tim tim
did it. So that's kind of like the mainstream narrative.
And as soon as you start like looking into it,
obviously the main the mainstream narrative is also Tim's narrative, right,
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so like which I find very odd that the government
and his narrative are like in line.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Tell us about mc veigh because he's got a bit
of a background in the military, hasn't what she's and
what else about him relevant?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Well, I think what's weird about him is that, you know,
he succeeded in the military really well. Supposedly he was
like got a bunch of metals and was known for
I guess one time shooting like two guys in the
head with one bullet or something. He was like this
kind of famous guy in the military, and supposedly, you know,
this dude who's very pro America and you know, nationalistic,
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went over there and had like an awakening that he
didn't like how the Iraqi people were being treated and
then supposed like came back and wanted to like take
vengeance on the on the government, which I just find
very it doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, there's there's a lot that doesn't make sense for this.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I mean you mentioned like the bomb like and the
bomb making skills that that's the first thing that struck me.
When you see this building that's been damaged, I mean,
it's horrific damage. Is it something like and I believe
was it something like one hundred and me was my
figures one hundred and sixty eight people killed and six
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hundred and eighty four injured. I mean, we've suffered at
the hands of terrorism over here for years. We had
the Irraar bombings and you know a lot of them
were quite big bombs, did some damage, but probably not
the size of that thing. And for this one guy
to do that, I find it hard to believe that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Well. Also, you know, there was this police officer who
was one of the first people in the staines, this
guy Terrenceikei, and he went in there and as soon
as he came out, he called his wife and he said, like,
it's not what they're saying that it is. And he
turned up dead a month later or whatever. But there's
something super odd about it. And you know, the day
that he was driving into town, there was twenty four
(18:02):
witnesses that saw him in the van with somebody else.
So when he went to trial, they didn't bring one
witness to testify against him because they coudn't find one
witness that saw him alone. Everyone saw him with two people,
which they say there wasn't John the number two. So
whenever it is, and I don't you know, I don't
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pretend to know exactly what it is, but uh, it's off.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Yeah, you mentioned John Dawn number two that I was
going to sort of mention ask you about that, and
obviously the clairemates that there was a second or possible
third suspect, same with McVeigh, and the lads were allegedly
dropped towards that, weren't they like they didn't follow it up.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also very odd that, you know,
like when he his getaway car had no license plate
when he got pulled over, he had all of this
militia pamphlets like basically saying like I'm a racist, you
know what I mean. It's like, why would he have
that stuff? Also, if I remember correctly, he parked this
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getaway car, you know, a couple of blocks away, and
although he was going to use it on April nineteenth,
he said, like he put a note on it so
it didn't get towed, and he said please don't toe
will be gone by April twenty third or something, I
think April twenty third, which I also find very odd
that he would put a later date if he was
going to leave earlier, which is also his birthday April
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twenty third. And also I just trund it hard to
believe that he would be driving with no license plate
get pulled over. There's also video camera footage of like
the car, like him being pulled over and the car
getting towed away, which I don't even know if they
had that kind of stuff back then or if they did,
like why they would put it on some guy who's
just getting pulled over, Like they didn't know at the
time when they pulled them over that it was to
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mc bay. And there's something about having all these pamphlets
about white power and the AAR and all this stuff.
I'm trying super assessed fact.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
That that's like a common thing that they do.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
That you have obviously the passport that the indestructible passport
on nine to eleven, Yeah, the indestructible passport. And then
you've got the one now with the perfect copy of
mine Camp that the IDF found in some Hamas terrorist house.
(20:24):
It's a perfect copy. This house has been destroyed, by
the way, but it looks like he's literally just took
delivery of it from Amazon that day and his house
is completely destroyed. And they're saying, yeah, and he's got
the copy of mine. Countter doing an interview and he's
holding this copy up and you're like, this thing's in
pristine condition. Clearly it's made out the same thing as
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the passport on nine to eleven was made out of
it's indestructible.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Did they have on this and on the thing with
the UK with the seven seven seven guys? Was there too?
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Oh yeah, well the the seven to seven bombing. The
thing about that is is that there. So they claimed
that they came to London on a particular train and
some of them traveled down from Leeds actually, but the
train that they said they were on was actually canceled
and the one after it was canceled, So they could
have never have been in London at the correct time
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that they said. Whoa, it's impossible, like they couldn't have
been there.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They weren't there.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
And then you've got all the thing to do with
crisis actors, which is so they had.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So so the bus that you've probably seen.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The bus that was ripped open, the double decker.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Boss incidentally at Tavistock Square, that's that's relevant if you
know about the Tavistock Institute and you've listened to my
episode on that. So at Tavastock Square, and then there
was a white van that was part behind it, and
the company of the the owned the white van was
a pyrotechnics company and the van that sorry the bus
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was written to open. Someone took a picture of people
stood on the top the top of deck talking to
each other and.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Having a smoke and everything.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So they were clearly crisis actors, which is which is
a thing like the Boston Marathon bombing. Crisis actors were
identified in that. There was one particular guy who was
I remember seeing him in a wheelchair and he's apparently
just had his leg blown off and you look at
it and it's looked so fake anyway, but it turns
(22:29):
out he had had his leg blown off, but that
was in the First Gulf War when that happened. He
got it blown off at the Gulf War. And obviously
they was using amputee as you know, crisis actors, which
is something they actually do, I mean iMX forces, which
unfortunately but there you go. And we used to do
casualty simulations in the army and it was for training purposes,
(22:53):
but there was people trained in the Army that could
make people look like they were really wounded, that like
you would have on a film set. Basically they could
they could do the makeup in such a way that
it looked real like stomach's hanging out and all this
type of stuff, and these these firms do. There's different firms.
You can look them up, crisis actors and they supply
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crisis actors for things.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So so the.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Seven seven bombings is another one that's a false flag
operation and you.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Have to do one on that.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Man, I would loaded no more about that. I had
no idea that all that stuff. That's incredible.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, there's there's a guy over here called Richard D.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Hall.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
He's got a website. He's done a massive deep dive
on that. He does one on quite a few different ones.
But that's definitely an interesting one to look into the
fact that they couldn't have been there after the time
that they said because of the train cancelations, because you
can find out when trains are canceled. That's so easy
to find that out, and that can't be disputed. The train,
the one they said they was on, was canceled and
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didn't run to London, so they weren't there.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
So funny. Yeah, yeah, we were watching this. Dame McGowan
who did Program to Kill the book. Uh, he wrote
incredible book. He did a like a Thaver special about
the Boston bombing, about the crisis actors and everything, and
so its old and I were thinking about it, and
we were watching this footage of Okay, see like after
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people are kind of coming out in this chaos and
the camera moves aren't insane, like just watching it as
a filmmaker, right, So it's like one of the women
who's two sons died in the bombing, like it's this
like perfectly kind of like three sixty spin around her head,
you know, and not that that those were all crisis actors,
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but I was like, this is really weird, man, Like,
how is it a perfect camera move? And also what
kind of cameraman in like the sense of like things
blowing up is doing some like three sixty pan around
this woman and you know, catching all the chaos. No, No,
just got me thinking about that. And at this point, man,
I don't know what to believe.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Well, you certainly can't believe your eyes. I've seen some
footage earlier from sky News of an apparent bombing that
the Russians are done on a church in Odessa, and
the footage is being played on sky News. The guy's
doing the commentary, but there's two women are clearing rubble away, right,
(25:22):
one of them picks up this block of concrete that
is probably it must weigh two hundred pounds, right, if
it's real. She picks it up one hand. No, it's
clearly polystyrene, but they've made it look real. And there's
another one puts one under her arm and they walk
away one ass like two walking away in one hand. Now,
(25:43):
unless she's the she Hulk, there is no way that
that's real.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Absolutely, And this is on like obviously mainstream media over
here in the.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
UK, which I tell people all the time, it's not
there to inform you, it's there to distract you and
miss him for and people people actually don't realize how
fake things are because, as you'll know, camera angles can
change everything about how a story is told.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
A simple camera angle.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Also you start thinking about like when the camera is
somewhere before something's happening, or you know what I mean,
those kind of things that like when the camera arrives.
I was also thinking, whatever remind me of we were
watching like something, and sometimes we're watching something on the
news where I all of a said, like Russia and
(26:33):
Ukraine were fighting and they just showed this burning building
and it's like, how do you know that's in Ukraine?
I mean, there's nothing that describes like it's just a house.
It could be anywhere. It could be like somewhere over there,
somewhere over here. And I was just thinking, like the
stuff that you just take for granted, you just assume
that that's what it is. And also it didn't look
(26:55):
that crazy either, But I was just thinking it was
like there's also once you started like poking at it,
like everything kind of unravels.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Yeah, some things aren't going to stand up to interrogation.
Once you start interrogating them, they just fall apart. But
relying on people not questioning things, and certainly television, film,
whatever is a powerful medium because you know, you've got sounds,
you've got visuals, all that sort of stuff, and images
are powerful and they know that, and most people won't
(27:28):
question the things that they've seen. But do you stop
do you stop footage all the time. It's like during
the so called pandemic, there was you know, showing you've
coffins lined up in different places, and I remember one
of them. I think it was supposedly in Spain, and
it turns out it was from some earthquake in Brazil
(27:52):
from years ago, and that's where the coffins were, but
they were saying, yeah, this is like COVID nineteen, so
you really can't believe anything, and straight away the official story,
I'd never believe it ever, And same with this, this
is definitely what they've said is not true.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well, they may ask you this thing. I'm curious as
when did the people on the left or maybe they've
always been like this and I just didn't know, like
when did they become so unquestioning of like the media
or anything. I mean, like they're like pro big business,
pro war, pro believe the news, pro believe the government.
And I don't know if maybe like the idea of
(28:31):
this like sixties radicals, I don't even know if that's real, right.
I think maybe they were just some people who were
like slumming it for the weekend, you know, and they're
all like working at corporations now. But I'm just wondering,
was it always like that.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Well, your boomer generation is a big problem. They they
will without question trust the mainstream media because when they
were growing up, that's all there was. They didn't have
alternatives like we have. There was no podcast, there was
no internet, obviously. I mean, I grew up in the
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world without an Internet. I was, you know, late teens.
I kind of remember when we got the internet, but
I first half of my life we didn't have internet anyway.
So then you have the Boomer generation I'm Gen X
or Boomer generation after the war, and they're a big problem.
There are hindrance to a lot of narratives actually being exposed,
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and that's because they've been brainwashed. And I think a
lot of it really is distraction, and people are laziers
and selfish. They're only interested in what's going on in
their own little world. They don't want to spend any
time on doing any research, and they just think, well,
it's on the news, therefore it must be true.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Because they've journalists. They won't lie to us.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
They must look into it and they ask people questions
and it's so naive.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The Boomer generation is like, what is the people that
grew up like in the fifties.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Yeah, So basically the Burman generation is from like so
after the Second World War ended, kids that started probably
being born from the end of the Second World War
into the sixties, probably early, very very early sixties, that
would be your Burman generation. And they're they're they're a
big problem. In the sense that they only trust mainstream.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I think so too, But I also would say this, like,
we've lost just a ton of friends that are like,
you know, in the thirties, who like are voting for
Camala Harris Man and Tampon Tim. It's like wild you know,
people that you know, we had our friends. This woman
who is French, who were She came out to our
town and we went to this kind of small dive
(30:44):
bar that we go to and there's two people talking
about how they didn't get vaccinated, and she was so
mad and acting like they were like these raging racists.
And I was like, I thought the French were like
some kind of radicals, man. I mean like she was
treating these people like trash. And I mean, now some
in inscts even wilder that she was acting like that.
But I just think there's like so many of these
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people I can't really talk to anymore.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Mainstream media is powerful and that's why it's used. And unfortunately,
usually the first story that somebody hears is the one
that they believe like anything, so they know, for example,
this Oklahoma City bombing, get the story out, get the
official story out straight away, and then same with nine
to eleven. There's still people in the world, loads of
(31:58):
them that still believe it was nineteen Arab hijackers. And
the reason is they were told that, and that's the
first impression they got.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Therefore that's true.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Everything else is a conspiracy theory, and that is a
CIA syop as well, turning conspiracy theory upside down because
once over, if you were a conspiracy theorist, it meant
you was a critical thinker. It was positive to be
a conspiracy theorist. And the reality is conspiracies happen all
the time. There's clearly a conspiracy over what this Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Bombing nine to eleven. You know, we can go on
and on and.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
On, but people are so simple and they get the
first story in there. So the same with the pandemic.
There's some crazy, crazy people over that. I know, some
lunatics who still are crazy on it. They're getting the boosters.
The ones that are still here, they're getting the boosters.
I mean, I've had people look at me like I've
(32:52):
got two heads for saying that it's not even real,
like it was a syo. You say syop to them.
They don't know what that is. They have no critical
thinking skills whatsoever. Most people are too bothered about going
out like over here, especially going out drinking.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know, just just they go to work, they come.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
Home tired, they drink the wine on a weekend, they
go out have a blowout every weekend, and that's their life,
just over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And they don't want to be bothered. And this is
the problem.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
But it is an information war and you need to
just get it out there. You will lose friends. I mean,
I've got people that think I'm absolutely insane and it
doesn't I'm not bothered because I've been a Christian since
two thousand and one. And when I initially became a Christian,
trust me, I have so many friends.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I had family.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Millias saying all kinds of things about.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Me and with a terrible thing to be a Christian.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, I know what's insane.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I mean, it's also the thing having some morals.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Yeah, like Jesus taught you to love your enemies, Like
is that bad to actually help the poor people?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
To love man?
Speaker 6 (33:59):
And when we're talk about love, we don't mean like
the love that a man asked for his wife. That's
a different form of love. We're talking about like a
filial love because there's five types of love. We love
is a word banded around these days, and it's misused
and it's always you know, you see these stupid talent shows.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Oh I love you, I love that is.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
You don't even know what the word means, like it's
lost all its meaning?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
What happened? What happened in your life to change you?
There in two thousand and one? What happened.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
And supernatural intervention by God? Just term I already I
sort of I sort of knew so so initially, Like
you might have heard from some of my previous podcasts
that I was born into a Roman Well, my dad
was a Roman Catholic. My mum wasn't a Roman Catholic.
She was a Methodist, not practicing the work Christians. My
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dad sort of, you know, was a proud Roman Catholic
because his mum were Roman Catholic. His dad wasn't really
wrong anything. He was ex forces guy, didn't believe in anything.
He liked watching football, that was it. He watched Liverpool.
But Mi Nana, she was a devout Roman Catholic, used
to go to lords and everything, you know, get the
Holy water and all this type of stuff. So I
(35:12):
was prisoning the Roman Catholic and then my mum became
a Christian when I was like eight, So then I
used to go to Sunday School. But then when I
got to about eleven, they said to me, do you
still want to go? And I was like no, So
then I went off and did my own thing then
up to being twenty one years old, and then the
Lord intervened in my life.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
But he always had that sense.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I knew I was lost, and he had that sense,
and it became real to me, the fact that when
I died, I would go to Hell. That was a reality.
It wasn't It wasn't. This wasn't something that was made up.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I knew it was real.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
And that was the Holy Spirit that convicted me, and
I ended up going back to church. I met a
guy who I was friends with for a couple of
years before that, and then he talked about going to
church one day because he apparently used to be a Christian.
But he was of tragic story and he ended up.
(36:13):
He came for a few weeks and then disappeared off
the face of the earth, and then the next thing I.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Know, he was dead.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Which was tragic, but yeah, and then my life is
as it is now. I've gone on ups and downs,
ended up in Afghanistan and all kinds of things, and
now I'm doing this. But this is like hopefully my
ministry because you know, I have a regular job. I
(36:39):
used to do a lot of preaching on the streets
things that I don't do that anymore, just through circumstances,
and I don't live in the same area that I
live in now that I'm originally from, and then I
so I go to a different church and everything.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
But yeah, this is like sort.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Of I wanted to away to reach out to people
who wouldn't necessarily ever walk into a church, but we're
asking questions and then they've seen things that are going
on in the world and know that there's something off.
So I wanted to meet people where they were are
(37:15):
and address them situations and it can be anything even
like this, and show people that the world is not
what they think it is, that it is an empire
lives we're being constantly lied to, and the reason for
that is is that there is a real entity called Satan,
who is the god of this world, and he is
the father allies and that's the reason why we're constantly
(37:38):
lied to and this this matrix. What like you've got
the film the Matrix he has. The Devil's constructed this matrix,
this world. So we're born into it. And culture is
a big thing because you're born into a particular culture
and you just think that that's how it is. It's
like there was an ex there was an experiment done.
(37:58):
Forgot the name of the guy who did it, but
basically they put I'll just make it very simple. He
had five monkeys in a cage, and they put bananas
at the top of the cage, and they put like
a little sort of ladder that they could go up
and down. And when the first monkey went up, they
threw ice cold water on all the monkeys. So every
(38:18):
time they went for a banana, the freu ice called
water on the monkeys until they eventually stopped. So they
had these five monkeys, they wuldn't go and touch the
bananas no more. But then what they did they took
one monkey out and put a new one in, and
then the new one he starts climbing up, did then
throw water on him again ice called water. So the
(38:40):
four that was in initially they give this other monkey
a beating to stop it. So then that monkey then
doesn't go for the bananas, and one by one they
take out the monkeys. So then you're left with five
monkeys that never touched the bananas, but they've never had
water for on them, but they still don't go for
(39:01):
the bananas because that's how it's always been, and that's culture.
So people are born into this world because that and
they're born into a particular culture and that's how it's
always been, and they take everything for granted. So and
that's and the television has shaped people's cultureLike and I
was saying about the boomer generation, and it is relevant
(39:23):
to all generations, but I particularly pick them out. But
that that's the culture. And that's like an illustration of
how culture operates. So you're saturated and you don't even
know why you why things are like that. So, like
there's a big thing over here at the minute, there's
a lot of Muslim immigration to this country and people are,
(39:44):
you know, saying, oh, like they're against British values and
British culture. Well, actually, what does that even mean? Because
the culture that they're speaking about, I can't stand it.
What they mean is going out getting drunk, fornicating, smoking dope,
going to the football matches, having nothing to do with God, blaspheming, swearing.
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All these things that are contrary to the Bible constray
to the things I believe in. So I think, well,
if that's the culture you're protecting, that culture can die
for all I care because it's not my culture. But people,
that's just how it is. Yeah, that's why people never
question anything. And then you get someone like me who
comes along who is completely different. I mean even in
(40:27):
the sense of the church as well. I have people
at church who they wore masks, they went and got vaccinated,
and when you tell them, listen, there was no pandemic.
It was all a psychological operation. They just won't they
won't have it.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Iry. So there's even Christians like.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
That, a lot of them, unfortunately. So I'm sort of
in a real niche as in I'm a believer.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But I also look.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
At conspiracies because conspiracies are real, they happen all the time.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Also, only againspiracually is really only has to be two people.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
I've said it before, I said it can be as
I've said this performed quite a few of my episodes.
It can be something so simple as one of my
work colleagues says to me, Right, I'm gonna get off
an hour early. You cover for me, and then you
do it tomorrow and I'll cover few. It can be
really that simple, And that is a little bit of it.
That's a conspiracy. Yeah, Okay, no one's gonna die or anything,
(41:27):
but that's still a conspiracy. And it's just that there's
larger ones that go on and some people can't wrap
their heads around it, like this, this Oklahoma City bombing.
Like we talked like obviously we talked about the Clinton's right,
So yeah, and the claim is that the Clintons had
a vested interest, indn't they in in silencing certain militia groups,
(41:53):
let's say, And they claim they had a vested interest
because of this, there was a tension on Whay call
Ruby Ridge. So during your research, do you do you
see anything like that sort of maybe an involvement from
them to divert people or not.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Well, for one, I don't think like from where I lived,
like militias weren't on the map yet, right, Like I
didn't really know about them. So like when that happened,
suddenly militias were enemy number one, right they went from
And also I think they implemented a bunch of new
gun laws after this kind of thing after Oblama City, right, so,
(42:35):
which I think was the same thing. One of them
I think expired and they redid it with Sandy Hook
strangely enough, but yeah, I think, like, well, isn't there
also something with the Clintons. There's another conspiracy about like
something with one of their Watergate was the other one
(42:59):
that they did that their files were there and that's
why they build it.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Up that Yeah, yeah, they destroyed it because there's some
files that were linked to some something that could have
exposed them.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Why've And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
I was also always wondering why people like, growing up,
people had this like people on the right had like
a disdain for the Clinton's like a hatred, and I,
you know, not until I got older, I started to
kind of understand it, but like, I mean, they are evil, yeah,
you know, but I like I didn't really understand like
why people just hated them so much like when I
was younger, and there's just uh, something very dubious about it.
(43:41):
And I don't know, like at a certain point, It's like,
how like you actually have to be a conspiracy theorist
to think that, like there's not something going on.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Like it's a bigger conspiracy to like ignore like all
these things and think that like all these people just
happened to be pedophiles and they're all hanging out together. Yeah,
you know what I mean. And like you're conspiracy theory
if you think that there's something going honest, like that's
wild man.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Mm hm, Well, the world I've said this to people.
I've said, the world does not operate how you think
it does. It's very very different. But you like, sometimes
you think to yourself, how do I how do I
get in here? What do I start with? And obviously
you don't start with listen, the world run by satanic pedophiles.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
You can't say that to people, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 6 (44:31):
That you'll you'll lose them and they just won't they
won't listen to you. But I mean, you know, maybe
like sometimes I think to myself, something comes up and
I'll just ask a question or well, you know, nine
to eleven, for example, what do you think happened?
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Well, well, I don't really believe what they said.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
So then you then you see a little chink.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
Then you think, well, the question is something at least
at least the question in something.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (44:58):
Yeah, and everyone I think that everyone I've had I've
had family members say to me, oh, I'm not a
conspiracy theorist. But I knew this particular family member didn't
believe with landing on the moon. So I said to him,
all right, I said, so you don't, like obviously believe
in conspiracies. I said, so did we land on the moon? No,
(45:19):
of course not, I said, you do know that that's
not the official narrative, therefore it's a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
It's different that it's always different when it's something there.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yes, it's also funny that people have such a version
to it. Also, like you also just have to say,
like who cares that I don't really care about some things?
And also that somehow they like if you're believe in
a conspiracy theorists on how you're like a a racist
and you know what I mean, like like the way
they've kind of a coupled all these things I found.
Speaker 6 (45:52):
Are, Yeah, it's well, yeah, because it's to kill the conversation. Basically,
it's to kill any descent whatsoever. So you throw the
racist label out, the anti semitic, that then is meant
to shut you down. And you know, for a fact,
if you're having them them labels put on you, you're
probably over the target. You're probably close.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So I mean, we're obviously we're talking about theories.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
So there's a few theories.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
Apparently regarding the Oklahoma City or city bombing.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
There's the multiple bomb.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
Theory basically because when you look at it, there was
a lot of destruction, and we're supposed to believe that
it's this fertilizer Was it like something like nearly five
thousand pounds fertilizer bomb in a truck?
Speaker 4 (46:37):
M h yeah, yeah. And also I think the way
like they've had people dissected experts about how the bomb
and how the columns are, that's suppose they wouldn't do
that kind of damage. And also I don't I don't
really know it. It's one of those odd things where
like someone percent it is and someone else is against it,
so you don't really know what to believe. But I
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kind of hardly believe that it would do that much damage,
especially when it was like at the forty year his
house and he was showing how he was going to
build the bomb, and like I suppose it was telling
that he had a bunch of Campbell soups cans and
he put them on a road. It's like, I mean,
that doesn't mean you know how to build a bomb.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
Well, I mean one of the theories is that the
government had fore knowledge or they were actually involved in it.
That basically the bombing was a false flag by US
government or all the intelligence services, and it was used
apparently to increase surveillance and new anti terrorism legislation or
distract from other scandals i e.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
WAC or Ruby Ridge.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
And apparently the evidence that cited for this theory is
that they obviously golf war veteran and then some alleged he.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Was part of the mk ultra program.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
Strange strange behavior of federal agents in the lead up
to the bombings, such as ATF agents not being in
the building that day, and then reports of government informants
inside militia groups tied to McVay. Another I mean, there's
a few, Well, there was.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
The two guys that like the two atf agents that
they try to say we're in the elevator because they
couldn't place anyone, so they said, all these you guys
are in the elevator. And the guy the elevator repair
mount came and looked at it and he said, like,
there's no way they could have been in there. And
he's just some dude, you know what I mean, Like
he's just some dude in the swifties, like some mall dude.
And John Ronson asked him, he was like, so what
do you think. He goes, well, apparently I'm a conspiracy
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theorist now because like I said that these two guys
couldn't be in there. Yeah, And then you know there's
all these like odd people at Eloheim City that were there,
like Strausmeyer and Carol Howe. And then you realize that
there's so many people that were informants at Eloheim City.
You're like, how many people were actually yow Eloheim's Yeah,
you know what I mean. Like at a certain point
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where you know, it was like that is it whitmore
the woman who was getting kidnapped by some militia, the
person in I don't know, see Michigan or Minnesota or
something like the people that were going to do it,
like the militia was like out of fourteen people, like
twelve of them were FEDS. Yeah, you know what I mean.
And so you start wondering, it's like, well, like how
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much of this is just completely constructed? And I guess
also at the time, supposedly there was like something like
forty percent of the people that were in the gun
show circuit were FEDS. So also what a weird paranoia
kind of situation where you're thinking almost like every other
person you meet is undercover, and then you start wondering,
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it's like, well, is there really a militia movement?
Speaker 6 (50:16):
It's slightly suppressed evidence as well, didn't they Apparently key
evidence and witness testimonies were suppressed to maintain obviously the
official narrative, which is something they always do. But apparently
some there was some surveillance from the buildings near the
blast site and.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
That they took. They took all the surveillance.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, it was never Releasia.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
And then apparently some of the witnesses who apparently saw
more than one person in the truck, they were Yeah,
they just discredited them more ignored them.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Know. What they did is when he went to trial,
they didn't bring any witnesses to testify that they saw
him that day because they couldn't find one that saw
him alone. Mm hmm, right, So I mean the first
thing you would do is bring someone and say like, yeah,
I sampulled the truck up. They didn't bring anyone to
testify because they couldn't find any of that sign without
somebody else in the truck. So and you don't know
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it also like I don't know, maybe it's nothing, maybe
it's just some some do I don't know, but like
the idea, like the how far they go to cover
it up. It's very odd to me. And the thing that,
like you, which I also find artist, you can like
present someone this evidence and they would still be like,
that's conspiracy.
Speaker 6 (51:26):
M hm, well it's yeah, cognitive dissonance. They you can
present the alternative, but because they're so invested in the
story what they believe from the like I said, the
first story, it doesn't matter now what you're going to
tell them. It doesn't matter how much evidence. They don't
(51:48):
they're not interested because because one of the things is
they'd have to admit they were wrong, and people don't
like admitting they're wrong. And it's the same thing regarding
christian It's not anything to do with evidence, because there's
so much evidence.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
I could just real evidence.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
So if you can talk about archaeology, you can talk
about all kinds of things, but it's nothing to do
with evidence. It's a moral issue, and a lot of
it is to do with they don't want to admit
that there was wrong, that they've been living a line,
the things how they're living is wrong, do you know
what I mean? And that everything they've ever believed is wrong,
(52:28):
and that is a reality. It's like the Apostle Paul.
I remember listening to a sermon a number of years ago.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
So the Apostle Paul, before he was called Paul, was
called Saul.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
And he was persecuting Christians. He was like a super Jew.
He was the Jew of the Jews, a Pharisee of
the Pharisees. So he's now on his way to Damascus
with letters of authority to imprison Christians, and then all
of a sudden, this light shines around him.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
He falls on the floor.
Speaker 6 (52:57):
And a voice says to him, Saul, so why are
you persecuting me? And he answers back and said, who
are your Lord? And in that moment his entire world
chattered because the answer came back, I am Jesus whom
you persecuted.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
So then he's like.
Speaker 6 (53:15):
Wow, this guy who I thought was dead, I thought
he was dead. I've done everything I can in my
power to stop this message, to throw all these you know,
followers in prison. He's alive.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
That's his world shattered.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
Everything he ever thought about the world's now changed, and
that that's how it is for people, and it's uncomfortable
because they don't want the world shattering because the two
comfortable in it.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, it is easier for people to believe in lazy.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
They're lazy, and it's easier.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
I also found him just how like you were saying
that you lost a lot of friends when you became religious,
that people would be so angry about that that you
would lose a friend over there. And you also see
him in culture that's kind of demonizing someone who's religious,
which I find super odd.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, because most people are ignorant. So actually, I mean.
Speaker 6 (54:12):
What people see as Christianity is what's portrayed again on
the mainstream media, and the Roman Catholic churches is one
of the things is a massive problem because you have
all these sex scandals with them raping choir boys and
all this type of stuff, and people see that as
the church. And I've said, that's not the church. That's
(54:34):
that's Antichrist, that's an antichrist system. But that's all they
know when they see things like that, that to them
is the church. And that's the problem because that's not it.
And yeah, so that colors people's view.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
Well, maybe you're gonna answer this question, why are these
things that's so obsessed with children? Well, it's to do
kids like crazy man, I mean, how many do they need?
Speaker 6 (55:03):
Yeah, well it's to do with Did you listen to
my episode where I talked about Loosh?
Speaker 4 (55:11):
Yeah? Maybe not maybe not that One's that Tommy after.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
This it's the Great White Brotherhood.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
So if you listen to that again, I sort of
talk about why why they use children and things like that.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
But one of one of the things.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
That they believe.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Is that they believe if they sodomized children, that they're
opening up like the KUNDERLINI what they call it, opens
them up basically to be possessed by demonic spirits. That's
that's what they believe. By by sodomizing them. So there's
more to it than that. That's what these Satanists believe,
these Luciferians, and and then the obviously the sacrificing of
(55:55):
children and things like that, that's.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
To do with like energy.
Speaker 6 (56:00):
They believe that the more sort of innocent they are
that they killed, there's more of this spiritual energy, which
apparently they believe gives them power. And then it's to
do with thinning the veil between this world and the
next world, because like abortion, for example, that's just the
form of child sacrifice. Everything's recycled. There's nothing new under
(56:21):
the sun. And it's the antithesis of the Lord's Supper.
So Jesus said, this is my body broken for you,
so his body's broken for you. But abortion is this
is your body broken for me. So it's the exact opposite.
It's the antithesis. It's this Satanic inversion again, so Satan
(56:43):
inverts everything. But that's why they're obsessed with children.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
And they're obsessed with abortion, man, I mean like watching
the DNC thing where they were like giving three abortions
out the things. Whatever you believe is one thing, but
it's also to be like celebrating, which well they've just
im so like just it so creepy.
Speaker 6 (57:05):
Men.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Well they've just brought in a law.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
Now they've just decriminalized it, so so you could have
abortion ups with certain I can't remember what the what
it was, twenty four to twenty six weeks. Whyever, right,
they've now just last week made it so a woman
can have an abortion up to birth, even part way
through birth. That's how wicked this country is. It's disgusting,
(57:30):
first country in outside of China to do it.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
But also just this idea of like celebrating it. You know,
I was watching these women, you know, like chanting like
I'll get First of all, no one's screwing these women,
and I can get an abortion the second of all,
Like their obsession with it is insane.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah, well they've been Well I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
You're like, yeah, well they've been. They've been.
Speaker 6 (57:56):
It's the propaganda, the feminist movement, which is bewitched them
and brainwash them into thinking that being at home looking
after your own children with a husband.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
That loves you, that's oppressive.
Speaker 6 (58:13):
But going out to work forty hours a week being
told what to do off another man, that's freedom, and
that's what they've convinced them to believe the amount of
propaganda that that's taken to change women's view. They literally
there's women now they literally hate children like they hate
(58:34):
them and.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
That see these the just wicked.
Speaker 6 (58:38):
They celebrate abortion because they just hate them and demonic
it's true.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (58:47):
And also all these women are so it's interesting seeing
these women that I went to college with and stuff.
Haven't seen them now. That's just so depressed.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
But when I when I go to work, they're all
miserable because they don't want to be there.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
Also, I would have to work, man, I mean like
this idea that someone said, like go to work. I mean,
I'll tell you my wife does never want to work.
Speaker 6 (59:12):
Well, we always me and my wife. She always stayed
at home with the kids and I and I worked.
And that's how I've had people say to me, oh,
well we've both got to work because a child care
have gone Okay, I said, well, there's not a child
care shortage, I said, because if the mom looks after
(59:33):
the children, you won't have to pay for child care.
They're paying out like eight nine hundred pounds a month
for child care. Said, that's your second wage gone. So
what's the point if one of if your wife stays
at home you go to work, she won't be as
miserable as she is. Her kids will be brought up
with her, not some stranger, and you won't be paying
(59:54):
a private institution to bring your kid up.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
They're just not getting it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
It's the twilight zone. I don't understand, and I don't understand,
Like why how how a woman going to like who
wants to work all the time? Yeah, just then they
women like want to be like work as hard as
a menace or I mean, I don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
No, I don't, because you just like and physical physically,
men and women are different anyway. So that's just the fact,
whether absolutely these people like it. We're made differently, aren't
we We're different.
Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
And hear these people talking about this stuff where it's
like it's like, what are we talking about? It's it's
such a waste of time. Mhm, you know what I mean. Like,
wasn't it like the high school Texas football team meet
the national women's soccer team? You know, like of course, man,
(01:00:55):
I'm gonna put Messi out there with Rapino. Man, I
mean it's no contest we're we talking about.
Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Yeah, they add I think they did something over an
here Worthy add an under fifteen's boys football team play
Manchester United women's first team and I think the boys
team won nine nil.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
But why the push for it, which I also don't understand,
Like why pushing it and then at the same time
undermining women with like all the trend stuff, like I
don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
Well, Mike, that is going to be an upcoming episode. Okay,
so there's there's a there's a precursor for everyone who
listens to this show. I am going to be doing
an episode touching on these things. Yeah, it will be controversial,
and it will only be controversial because of how much
people have been propagandized. It's not controversial in and of
(01:01:50):
itself because I'll be coming from a biblical position talking
about all these things. It's not my opinion. I've said
that in the past. It's not my opinion. These things
are not things I've thought up on my own. But yeah,
that's a futured episode coming up. So, Mike, it's been
absolutely brilliant to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
It's been awesome, man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And before you go before we close this out.
Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
So you've got the film, they tell us where people
can watch it, and then tell people about some of
your other films as well.
Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I think I don't know unless the producers have got
it offline, who knows. But I think on Amazon and
I think on YouTube. I think it's definitely out there
if you search for it. My other movies, I made
a movie called Little Rock.
Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
I have.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
One of my favorite films is this film called Kiddickers,
which is about a movie. It's a movie about a
guy trying to make his first movie to documentary, was
one of my students, and he's trying to make this
really bad film about rape and murder, and it's kind
of like his whole film kind of falls apart on
the way. But yeah, and I think my Face on
Me my last movie. So try to see it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah, I've watched it.
Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Go and watch you guys, get Get if you if
you're interested in the Oklahoma City bombing, go and watch
Mike's film.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
McVeigh.
Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Well, Mike, it's been it's been amazing talking to you guys.
Like I said, I like to have new topics, and
this is a topic we've not touched on before and
I have had listeners ask me about this, so yeah,
we've covered it, Oklahoma City bombing. Hopefully it has been
informative for those of you that have never heard about it,
because I know there's people from all over the world
going to listen. So go and watch Mike's film. Thanks again,
(01:03:33):
Mike and guys. I am going to be back next
week with a new guest. I'm Paul and this is
beyond the paradigm.
Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
My crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
We don't use that word in here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
I had dreams that weren't just dreams.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
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It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Billions of people just living out their lives.
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Speaker 5 (00:52):
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Speaker 6 (01:08):
Hell and welcome to Beyond the Paradigm. I'm your host,
Paul Bracal. Today we have a new topic and I
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You do have a lot of podcast out there, and
sometimes they're just hitting on the same themes, but I
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Speaker 3 (01:23):
So if you are new to this show.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
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We've looked at the climate change scam, artificial intelligence, We've
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get to the truth of actually what's going on out
there and exposing what this world really is, exposing this
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Speaker 3 (01:54):
Pulled over the world.
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The world is not what you think it is, and
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links in the show description. Now, the main thrust of
this episode today is the Oklahoma City bombing. And for
those of you that don't know what the Oklahoma City
bombing is, it was basically the official story is that
(03:42):
it was an act of domestic terrorism. It was a
truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murray Federal Building in
Oklahoma City in the United States on April nineteenth, nineteen
ninety five, carried out by a former ar Enforces veteran
Timothy McVeigh, and my guest today is Mike Ott. Mike
(04:04):
is an independent filmmaker and he is the director and
core screenwriter of a new film entitled McVeigh, which is
a psychological thriller which depicts the deadliest acts of terrorism
in US history, the Oklahoma City bombing. And I want
to give a little shout out to Mike's wife, is He,
(04:24):
because is He got in contact with me because Mike
and is He both listened to this podcast, so they're
actually listeners of the show, and she contacted me and
told me about Mike's film McVeigh and whether I would
be interested in an actual interview with Mike, which I
said absolutely I would because I have had listeners on
here requesting that I cover the Oklahoma City bombing. So
(04:46):
this is the episode in which I cover it. Mike
and I also talk about a few other things as well,
but what I want to say with regards to any
kind of act of terrorism. So I live over here
in the UK, originally from England, now live in Wales.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But England has suffered much.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Terrorism over the years at the hands of the IRA
There has been Muslim sort of terrorism as well, but
a lot of these when you look into them, particularly
the seven seven bombings in London, the official story is
not true. And what I would say, the official story,
it's never true. Whatever they come out with straight away,
(05:25):
it's not true. Just like the story regarding nine to eleven.
You know, nineteen Arab hijackers, indestructible passports and all this
type of stuff. It's not true. And all it takes
to expose these narratives is research, guys, is your own
independent research, Be methodical, question things, and you will actually
(05:47):
be shocked at how fake everything is, how many lies
are told that you actually cannot believe your eyes. When
you are watching television. One of the questions is you've
got to ask yourself when you're watching sort of the news.
If you do watch the mainstream news, I would highly
recommend not watching it. But if you're watching it, you
(06:09):
want to ask yourself the question, why are they actually
covering this story? Who's behind the camera, who's talking, what
are the motives? A camera angle can actually change the
whole story because it shapes your perception of what is
actually going on. I may have mentioned this before on here,
but I have posted this I think on a video
(06:32):
on Instagram and it shows a journalist and behind him
is what looks like a large crowd. So looking down
the camera from there, it's sort of like tunnel vision
type thing. The guy's doing his little report that looks
like there's a large crowd behind him with flags, and
(06:54):
it looks like there's some kind of protest going on,
and it looks like it's a very large protest. However,
there is another camera angle taken from above, and what
you actually see is there's only a handful of people
behind him, and all around people are just getting on
with the lives. There's cars driving up the road, there's
people walking down the street with shopping and everything. So
(07:16):
that camera angle has shaped what you think's going on
because you think there's some huge process going on, and
in reality, it was just a handful of people. So
beware of the mainstream media. They're not here to inform you.
They're here to misinform you, to deceive you, and to
push the narrative of the controllers, the ones in the
(07:39):
background who run things. And it's not the politicians, they
are just the puppets. And before we get into this episode,
I would say that I'm not an expert on the
Oklahoma City bombing. I know far more about the nine
to eleven attack in America. I do remember it. There's
people who possibly wan't from other countries, but in the
(08:00):
United States, you are going to know about the Oklahoma
City bombing. So without further ado, I'm now gonna go
and bring Mike onto the show.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well for the.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
First time, Mike, I'd really like to welcome you to
the show. And just for everyone that is listening, Mike
is actually a listener of the show as well, So
this is a real pleasure for me to welcome an
actual listener for the first time on an interview to
the show.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So welcome Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Thanks man, am I the first one.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
You are the first one who who I know for
a fact listens to the show who's now speaking to me.
So that's awesome, man, it's brilliant. So, as I usually
do with all my guests when they've been on for
the first time, can you just tell us a little
bit about yourself, So your background, because you do you
don't have a regular job like a lot of people,
(08:50):
but you have a really interesting job, So tell us
about what you do.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Well. I went to art school at Keler Art's up
the Hill, Caliverrine's to do the arts. I got my
master's degree and I got out of film school kind
of thinking I was like going to get into the
industry and you know, and so I went on I
was going on these meetings to meet producers and stuff.
And one day I went to drive to LA from
(09:17):
where I live. It's like it takes like two hours
with traffic probably, and I drove one morning to meet
this producer and like two hours in traffic. And he
got there and he was like, oh, I forgot my notes,
Like let's meet again next week. And I was like
a son of a bitch man, I just drove two hours,
you know what I mean. And I was just kind
of done. At that point, I realized it was like
this is not going anywhere. So I kind of started
(09:37):
making my own films with my friends, you know, like
five people, and I made like a series of films
out in the desert. And then I got the idea
for the McVeigh film, and it took forever to get
funding for it, and I think it's also my last film.
I think film is dead. I think the film industry
(09:59):
is dead. Most like boring people in the world. I
want nothing to do with them. And don't get me wrong, like,
I'm really glad I got to make this movie. I'm
happy with the movie, but just being around these people
is miserable. I don't it's just that fan life is
too short.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I think absolutely, life's too short.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
It is and I say it a lot on this
You've probably heard me say it about time and how
time is so important you can't get it back, and
a lot of us, let's face it, waste our time.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I'm guilty of that certainly.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
So yeah, So you're an independent filmmaker and what we're
going to talk about today is something particularly that will
be remembered in the United States. But like I told you,
I remember it. So it's the Oklahoma City bomb in
the film that you made was called McVeigh. So what
was your initial inspiration to sort of create this film?
(10:54):
They was there like a moment or a piece of
evidence that sport your interest.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I had watched that this that documentary bout John Ronson.
He did this BBC like four part series. He did
one on David I, he did another one on Ruby Ridge,
and he did one to open the City. And I mean,
he's kind of annoying. But I think part of that
was interesting is that he kind of goes of all
the conspiracies, which I didn't know there were so many
(11:22):
conspiracies about it, you know, growing up, I kind of
just had heard like the mainstream kind of narrative, and
then once I realized what a rabbit hole it was,
I was just like obsessed with it, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, I mean, like I am familiar with a few
of the sort of theories surrounding it.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Like which ones? Which ones are you familiar with? Over
that caeriod?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
One of the ones that I've heard, I don't know
whether this is probably one that's more fringies to do
with the Clintons. Yeah, you know which, Well, we can
touch on that in a little bit more detail. But
have you faced any resistance or censorship while making it
(12:07):
or releasing it?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's funny you asked that, man, because like, uh, I
mean we in April. This last April was the thirty
year anniversary, right, and I don't know what's going on
with my distributor my producers, but there was like not
one piece of press on the movie which would come
out a month before that, like nothing, which is kind
(12:34):
of impossible unless you're like purposely trying to silence it
and something where it's going on. And I don't want
to sound like I'm so important, but there's something very
strange going on with the movie. Like they did like
no press for the movie. They set up these interviews
for the actors on these like podcasts with like and whatever.
(12:57):
They're like a bunch of famous people in the movie.
And the whole reason you have famous people just like
to use their fane to promote the movie. Thought, I
thought it was the first time I've ever worked with
famous people, right, And they were putting them on podcasts
with like a guy who had like two hundred subscribers.
One of the ones they went on, dude has forty
six views after two months. That's embarrassing. Yeah, So it's
(13:24):
either one thing. It's either like, well, you're terrible at
your job or there's something going on. And it's like,
I find it impossible to think that, like you know,
like Alfie Allen and Ashley Benson, all these people who
have I mean there's there's YouTube clips of grass growing
that as were views.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Like what happened. I know, at a certain point they
wanted me to take this media training to talk about
my movie, and I said, like, that's absurd. And they
kind of wanted me to talk about like January sixth
and all this stuff, and I was like absolutely that man,
you know, and there's I mean kind of predictable things
(14:08):
that you know, kind of lived hard to talk about,
you know what they're worries, which they're not really worrying.
You know, they all live in mansions and have nice lives.
They're you know, suddenly really worried about January sixth. So
I don't know, I don't know what happened, but something
very strange happened, and a shift in promoting the movie,
which is nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
So this podcast goes out around one hundred and forty
six countries.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That's where my listeners span across.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
So you're gonna get some coverage as long as, for
some reason it don't end up Shadow Band.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You're gonna get more than forty six one hundred and
forty six Yeah awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
So so so then obviously a lot of people in
US listen to me. Sure, they're probably like sixty percent
of my audience, but then the forty percent is spread
across the variety of countries. So for those people that
aren't sort of really familiar with it, just give us
a real break down of the Oklahoma City bombing sort
(15:04):
of the narrative behind it.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Well, I guess the mainstream narrative is that there was
this guy, Timothy McVeigh, and he was with another guy
from the military named Terry Nichols, and they built this bomb,
which neither one of them really had bomb making skills,
but supposedly they built this bomb and they pulled it
up in front of the Alfred Hemur Building on the
April nineteenth, which was the anniversary of Waco, the two
(15:29):
aunniversary of the Waco siege, and supposed that they blew
it up. Actually, well, Terry didn't go, but Tim tim
did it. So that's kind of like the mainstream narrative.
And as soon as you start like looking into it,
obviously the main the mainstream narrative is also Tim's narrative, right,
(15:53):
so like which I find very odd that the government
and his narrative are like in line.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Tell us about mc veigh because he's got a bit
of a background in the military, hasn't what she's and
what else about him relevant?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Well, I think what's weird about him is that, you know,
he succeeded in the military really well. Supposedly he was
like got a bunch of metals and was known for
I guess one time shooting like two guys in the
head with one bullet or something. He was like this
kind of famous guy in the military, and supposedly, you know,
this dude who's very pro America and you know, nationalistic,
(16:34):
went over there and had like an awakening that he
didn't like how the Iraqi people were being treated and
then supposed like came back and wanted to like take
vengeance on the on the government, which I just find
very it doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, there's there's a lot that doesn't make sense for this.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I mean you mentioned like the bomb like and the
bomb making skills that that's the first thing that struck me.
When you see this building that's been damaged, I mean,
it's horrific damage. Is it something like and I believe
was it something like one hundred and me was my
figures one hundred and sixty eight people killed and six
(17:17):
hundred and eighty four injured. I mean, we've suffered at
the hands of terrorism over here for years. We had
the Irraar bombings and you know a lot of them
were quite big bombs, did some damage, but probably not
the size of that thing. And for this one guy
to do that, I find it hard to believe that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Well. Also, you know, there was this police officer who
was one of the first people in the staines, this
guy Terrenceikei, and he went in there and as soon
as he came out, he called his wife and he said, like,
it's not what they're saying that it is. And he
turned up dead a month later or whatever. But there's
something super odd about it. And you know, the day
that he was driving into town, there was twenty four
(18:02):
witnesses that saw him in the van with somebody else.
So when he went to trial, they didn't bring one
witness to testify against him because they coudn't find one
witness that saw him alone. Everyone saw him with two people,
which they say there wasn't John the number two. So
whenever it is, and I don't you know, I don't
(18:23):
pretend to know exactly what it is, but uh, it's off.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Yeah, you mentioned John Dawn number two that I was
going to sort of mention ask you about that, and
obviously the clairemates that there was a second or possible
third suspect, same with McVeigh, and the lads were allegedly
dropped towards that, weren't they like they didn't follow it up.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also very odd that, you know,
like when he his getaway car had no license plate
when he got pulled over, he had all of this
militia pamphlets like basically saying like I'm a racist, you
know what I mean. It's like, why would he have
that stuff? Also, if I remember correctly, he parked this
(19:06):
getaway car, you know, a couple of blocks away, and
although he was going to use it on April nineteenth,
he said, like he put a note on it so
it didn't get towed, and he said please don't toe
will be gone by April twenty third or something, I
think April twenty third, which I also find very odd
that he would put a later date if he was
going to leave earlier, which is also his birthday April
(19:29):
twenty third. And also I just trund it hard to
believe that he would be driving with no license plate
get pulled over. There's also video camera footage of like
the car, like him being pulled over and the car
getting towed away, which I don't even know if they
had that kind of stuff back then or if they did,
like why they would put it on some guy who's
just getting pulled over, Like they didn't know at the
time when they pulled them over that it was to
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mc bay. And there's something about having all these pamphlets
about white power and the AAR and all this stuff.
I'm trying super assessed fact.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
That that's like a common thing that they do.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
That you have obviously the passport that the indestructible passport
on nine to eleven, Yeah, the indestructible passport. And then
you've got the one now with the perfect copy of
mine Camp that the IDF found in some Hamas terrorist house.
(20:24):
It's a perfect copy. This house has been destroyed, by
the way, but it looks like he's literally just took
delivery of it from Amazon that day and his house
is completely destroyed. And they're saying, yeah, and he's got
the copy of mine. Countter doing an interview and he's
holding this copy up and you're like, this thing's in
pristine condition. Clearly it's made out the same thing as
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the passport on nine to eleven was made out of
it's indestructible.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Did they have on this and on the thing with
the UK with the seven seven seven guys? Was there too?
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Oh yeah, well the the seven to seven bombing. The
thing about that is is that there. So they claimed
that they came to London on a particular train and
some of them traveled down from Leeds actually, but the
train that they said they were on was actually canceled
and the one after it was canceled, So they could
have never have been in London at the correct time
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that they said. Whoa, it's impossible, like they couldn't have
been there.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They weren't there.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
And then you've got all the thing to do with
crisis actors, which is so they had.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So so the bus that you've probably seen.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The bus that was ripped open, the double decker.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Boss incidentally at Tavistock Square, that's that's relevant if you
know about the Tavistock Institute and you've listened to my
episode on that. So at Tavastock Square, and then there
was a white van that was part behind it, and
the company of the the owned the white van was
a pyrotechnics company and the van that sorry the bus
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was written to open. Someone took a picture of people
stood on the top the top of deck talking to
each other and.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Having a smoke and everything.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So they were clearly crisis actors, which is which is
a thing like the Boston Marathon bombing. Crisis actors were
identified in that. There was one particular guy who was
I remember seeing him in a wheelchair and he's apparently
just had his leg blown off and you look at
it and it's looked so fake anyway, but it turns
(22:29):
out he had had his leg blown off, but that
was in the First Gulf War when that happened. He
got it blown off at the Gulf War. And obviously
they was using amputee as you know, crisis actors, which
is something they actually do, I mean iMX forces, which
unfortunately but there you go. And we used to do
casualty simulations in the army and it was for training purposes,
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but there was people trained in the Army that could
make people look like they were really wounded, that like
you would have on a film set. Basically they could
they could do the makeup in such a way that
it looked real like stomach's hanging out and all this
type of stuff, and these these firms do. There's different firms.
You can look them up, crisis actors and they supply
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crisis actors for things.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So so the.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Seven seven bombings is another one that's a false flag
operation and you.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Have to do one on that.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Man, I would loaded no more about that. I had
no idea that all that stuff. That's incredible.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, there's there's a guy over here called Richard D.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Hall.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
He's got a website. He's done a massive deep dive
on that. He does one on quite a few different ones.
But that's definitely an interesting one to look into the
fact that they couldn't have been there after the time
that they said because of the train cancelations, because you
can find out when trains are canceled. That's so easy
to find that out, and that can't be disputed. The train,
the one they said they was on, was canceled and
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didn't run to London, so they weren't there.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
So funny. Yeah, yeah, we were watching this. Dame McGowan
who did Program to Kill the book. Uh, he wrote
incredible book. He did a like a Thaver special about
the Boston bombing, about the crisis actors and everything, and
so its old and I were thinking about it, and
we were watching this footage of Okay, see like after
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people are kind of coming out in this chaos and
the camera moves aren't insane, like just watching it as
a filmmaker, right, So it's like one of the women
who's two sons died in the bombing, like it's this
like perfectly kind of like three sixty spin around her head,
you know, and not that that those were all crisis actors,
(24:41):
but I was like, this is really weird, man, Like,
how is it a perfect camera move? And also what
kind of cameraman in like the sense of like things
blowing up is doing some like three sixty pan around
this woman and you know, catching all the chaos. No, No,
just got me thinking about that. And at this point, man,
I don't know what to believe.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Well, you certainly can't believe your eyes. I've seen some
footage earlier from sky News of an apparent bombing that
the Russians are done on a church in Odessa, and
the footage is being played on sky News. The guy's
doing the commentary, but there's two women are clearing rubble away, right,
(25:22):
one of them picks up this block of concrete that
is probably it must weigh two hundred pounds, right, if
it's real. She picks it up one hand. No, it's
clearly polystyrene, but they've made it look real. And there's
another one puts one under her arm and they walk
away one ass like two walking away in one hand. Now,
(25:43):
unless she's the she Hulk, there is no way that
that's real.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Absolutely, And this is on like obviously mainstream media over
here in the.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
UK, which I tell people all the time, it's not
there to inform you, it's there to distract you and
miss him for and people people actually don't realize how
fake things are because, as you'll know, camera angles can
change everything about how a story is told.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
A simple camera angle.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Also you start thinking about like when the camera is
somewhere before something's happening, or you know what I mean,
those kind of things that like when the camera arrives.
I was also thinking, whatever remind me of we were
watching like something, and sometimes we're watching something on the
news where I all of a said, like Russia and
(26:33):
Ukraine were fighting and they just showed this burning building
and it's like, how do you know that's in Ukraine?
I mean, there's nothing that describes like it's just a house.
It could be anywhere. It could be like somewhere over there,
somewhere over here. And I was just thinking, like the
stuff that you just take for granted, you just assume
that that's what it is. And also it didn't look
(26:55):
that crazy either, But I was just thinking it was
like there's also once you started like poking at it,
like everything kind of unravels.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Yeah, some things aren't going to stand up to interrogation.
Once you start interrogating them, they just fall apart. But
relying on people not questioning things, and certainly television, film,
whatever is a powerful medium because you know, you've got sounds,
you've got visuals, all that sort of stuff, and images
are powerful and they know that, and most people won't
(27:28):
question the things that they've seen. But do you stop
do you stop footage all the time. It's like during
the so called pandemic, there was you know, showing you've
coffins lined up in different places, and I remember one
of them. I think it was supposedly in Spain, and
it turns out it was from some earthquake in Brazil
(27:52):
from years ago, and that's where the coffins were, but
they were saying, yeah, this is like COVID nineteen, so
you really can't believe anything, and straight away the official story,
I'd never believe it ever, And same with this, this
is definitely what they've said is not true.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well, they may ask you this thing. I'm curious as
when did the people on the left or maybe they've
always been like this and I just didn't know, like
when did they become so unquestioning of like the media
or anything. I mean, like they're like pro big business,
pro war, pro believe the news, pro believe the government.
And I don't know if maybe like the idea of
(28:31):
this like sixties radicals, I don't even know if that's real, right.
I think maybe they were just some people who were
like slumming it for the weekend, you know, and they're
all like working at corporations now. But I'm just wondering,
was it always like that.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Well, your boomer generation is a big problem. They they
will without question trust the mainstream media because when they
were growing up, that's all there was. They didn't have
alternatives like we have. There was no podcast, there was
no internet, obviously. I mean, I grew up in the
(29:04):
world without an Internet. I was, you know, late teens.
I kind of remember when we got the internet, but
I first half of my life we didn't have internet anyway.
So then you have the Boomer generation I'm Gen X
or Boomer generation after the war, and they're a big problem.
There are hindrance to a lot of narratives actually being exposed,
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and that's because they've been brainwashed. And I think a
lot of it really is distraction, and people are laziers
and selfish. They're only interested in what's going on in
their own little world. They don't want to spend any
time on doing any research, and they just think, well,
it's on the news, therefore it must be true.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Because they've journalists. They won't lie to us.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
They must look into it and they ask people questions
and it's so naive.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The Boomer generation is like, what is the people that
grew up like in the fifties.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Yeah, So basically the Burman generation is from like so
after the Second World War ended, kids that started probably
being born from the end of the Second World War
into the sixties, probably early, very very early sixties, that
would be your Burman generation. And they're they're they're a
big problem. In the sense that they only trust mainstream.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I think so too, But I also would say this, like,
we've lost just a ton of friends that are like,
you know, in the thirties, who like are voting for
Camala Harris Man and Tampon Tim. It's like wild you know,
people that you know, we had our friends. This woman
who is French, who were She came out to our
town and we went to this kind of small dive
(30:44):
bar that we go to and there's two people talking
about how they didn't get vaccinated, and she was so
mad and acting like they were like these raging racists.
And I was like, I thought the French were like
some kind of radicals, man. I mean like she was
treating these people like trash. And I mean, now some
in inscts even wilder that she was acting like that.
But I just think there's like so many of these
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people I can't really talk to anymore.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Mainstream media is powerful and that's why it's used. And unfortunately,
usually the first story that somebody hears is the one
that they believe like anything, so they know, for example,
this Oklahoma City bombing, get the story out, get the
official story out straight away, and then same with nine
to eleven. There's still people in the world, loads of
(31:58):
them that still believe it was nineteen Arab hijackers. And
the reason is they were told that, and that's the
first impression they got.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Therefore that's true.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Everything else is a conspiracy theory, and that is a
CIA syop as well, turning conspiracy theory upside down because
once over, if you were a conspiracy theorist, it meant
you was a critical thinker. It was positive to be
a conspiracy theorist. And the reality is conspiracies happen all
the time. There's clearly a conspiracy over what this Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Bombing nine to eleven. You know, we can go on
and on and.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
On, but people are so simple and they get the
first story in there. So the same with the pandemic.
There's some crazy, crazy people over that. I know, some
lunatics who still are crazy on it. They're getting the boosters.
The ones that are still here, they're getting the boosters.
I mean, I've had people look at me like I've
(32:52):
got two heads for saying that it's not even real,
like it was a syo. You say syop to them.
They don't know what that is. They have no critical
thinking skills whatsoever. Most people are too bothered about going
out like over here, especially going out drinking.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know, just just they go to work, they come.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
Home tired, they drink the wine on a weekend, they
go out have a blowout every weekend, and that's their life,
just over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And they don't want to be bothered. And this is
the problem.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
But it is an information war and you need to
just get it out there. You will lose friends. I mean,
I've got people that think I'm absolutely insane and it
doesn't I'm not bothered because I've been a Christian since
two thousand and one. And when I initially became a Christian,
trust me, I have so many friends.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I had family.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Millias saying all kinds of things about.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Me and with a terrible thing to be a Christian.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, I know what's insane.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I mean, it's also the thing having some morals.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Yeah, like Jesus taught you to love your enemies, Like
is that bad to actually help the poor people?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
To love man?
Speaker 6 (33:59):
And when we're talk about love, we don't mean like
the love that a man asked for his wife. That's
a different form of love. We're talking about like a
filial love because there's five types of love. We love
is a word banded around these days, and it's misused
and it's always you know, you see these stupid talent shows.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Oh I love you, I love that is.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
You don't even know what the word means, like it's
lost all its meaning?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
What happened? What happened in your life to change you?
There in two thousand and one? What happened.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
And supernatural intervention by God? Just term I already I
sort of I sort of knew so so initially, Like
you might have heard from some of my previous podcasts
that I was born into a Roman Well, my dad
was a Roman Catholic. My mum wasn't a Roman Catholic.
She was a Methodist, not practicing the work Christians. My
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dad sort of, you know, was a proud Roman Catholic
because his mum were Roman Catholic. His dad wasn't really
wrong anything. He was ex forces guy, didn't believe in anything.
He liked watching football, that was it. He watched Liverpool.
But Mi Nana, she was a devout Roman Catholic, used
to go to lords and everything, you know, get the
Holy water and all this type of stuff. So I
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was prisoning the Roman Catholic and then my mum became
a Christian when I was like eight, So then I
used to go to Sunday School. But then when I
got to about eleven, they said to me, do you
still want to go? And I was like no, So
then I went off and did my own thing then
up to being twenty one years old, and then the
Lord intervened in my life.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
But he always had that sense.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I knew I was lost, and he had that sense,
and it became real to me, the fact that when
I died, I would go to Hell. That was a reality.
It wasn't It wasn't. This wasn't something that was made up.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I knew it was real.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
And that was the Holy Spirit that convicted me, and
I ended up going back to church. I met a
guy who I was friends with for a couple of
years before that, and then he talked about going to
church one day because he apparently used to be a Christian.
But he was of tragic story and he ended up.
(36:13):
He came for a few weeks and then disappeared off
the face of the earth, and then the next thing I.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Know, he was dead.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Which was tragic, but yeah, and then my life is
as it is now. I've gone on ups and downs,
ended up in Afghanistan and all kinds of things, and
now I'm doing this. But this is like hopefully my
ministry because you know, I have a regular job. I
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used to do a lot of preaching on the streets
things that I don't do that anymore, just through circumstances,
and I don't live in the same area that I
live in now that I'm originally from, and then I
so I go to a different church and everything.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
But yeah, this is like sort.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Of I wanted to away to reach out to people
who wouldn't necessarily ever walk into a church, but we're
asking questions and then they've seen things that are going
on in the world and know that there's something off.
So I wanted to meet people where they were are
(37:15):
and address them situations and it can be anything even
like this, and show people that the world is not
what they think it is, that it is an empire
lives we're being constantly lied to, and the reason for
that is is that there is a real entity called Satan,
who is the god of this world, and he is
the father allies and that's the reason why we're constantly
(37:38):
lied to and this this matrix. What like you've got
the film the Matrix he has. The Devil's constructed this matrix,
this world. So we're born into it. And culture is
a big thing because you're born into a particular culture
and you just think that that's how it is. It's
like there was an ex there was an experiment done.
(37:58):
Forgot the name of the guy who did it, but
basically they put I'll just make it very simple. He
had five monkeys in a cage, and they put bananas
at the top of the cage, and they put like
a little sort of ladder that they could go up
and down. And when the first monkey went up, they
threw ice cold water on all the monkeys. So every
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time they went for a banana, the freu ice called
water on the monkeys until they eventually stopped. So they
had these five monkeys, they wuldn't go and touch the
bananas no more. But then what they did they took
one monkey out and put a new one in, and
then the new one he starts climbing up, did then
throw water on him again ice called water. So the
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four that was in initially they give this other monkey
a beating to stop it. So then that monkey then
doesn't go for the bananas, and one by one they
take out the monkeys. So then you're left with five
monkeys that never touched the bananas, but they've never had
water for on them, but they still don't go for
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the bananas because that's how it's always been, and that's culture.
So people are born into this world because that and
they're born into a particular culture and that's how it's
always been, and they take everything for granted. So and
that's and the television has shaped people's cultureLike and I
was saying about the boomer generation, and it is relevant
(39:23):
to all generations, but I particularly pick them out. But
that that's the culture. And that's like an illustration of
how culture operates. So you're saturated and you don't even
know why you why things are like that. So, like
there's a big thing over here at the minute, there's
a lot of Muslim immigration to this country and people are,
(39:44):
you know, saying, oh, like they're against British values and
British culture. Well, actually, what does that even mean? Because
the culture that they're speaking about, I can't stand it.
What they mean is going out getting drunk, fornicating, smoking dope,
going to the football matches, having nothing to do with God, blaspheming, swearing.
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All these things that are contrary to the Bible constray
to the things I believe in. So I think, well,
if that's the culture you're protecting, that culture can die
for all I care because it's not my culture. But people,
that's just how it is. Yeah, that's why people never
question anything. And then you get someone like me who
comes along who is completely different. I mean even in
(40:27):
the sense of the church as well. I have people
at church who they wore masks, they went and got vaccinated,
and when you tell them, listen, there was no pandemic.
It was all a psychological operation. They just won't they
won't have it.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Iry. So there's even Christians like.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
That, a lot of them, unfortunately. So I'm sort of
in a real niche as in I'm a believer.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But I also look.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
At conspiracies because conspiracies are real, they happen all the time.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Also, only againspiracually is really only has to be two people.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
I've said it before, I said it can be as
I've said this performed quite a few of my episodes.
It can be something so simple as one of my
work colleagues says to me, Right, I'm gonna get off
an hour early. You cover for me, and then you
do it tomorrow and I'll cover few. It can be
really that simple, And that is a little bit of it.
That's a conspiracy. Yeah, Okay, no one's gonna die or anything,
(41:27):
but that's still a conspiracy. And it's just that there's
larger ones that go on and some people can't wrap
their heads around it, like this, this Oklahoma City bombing.
Like we talked like obviously we talked about the Clinton's right,
So yeah, and the claim is that the Clintons had
a vested interest, indn't they in in silencing certain militia groups,
(41:53):
let's say, And they claim they had a vested interest
because of this, there was a tension on Whay call
Ruby Ridge. So during your research, do you do you
see anything like that sort of maybe an involvement from
them to divert people or not.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Well, for one, I don't think like from where I lived,
like militias weren't on the map yet, right, Like I
didn't really know about them. So like when that happened,
suddenly militias were enemy number one, right they went from
And also I think they implemented a bunch of new
gun laws after this kind of thing after Oblama City, right, so,
(42:35):
which I think was the same thing. One of them
I think expired and they redid it with Sandy Hook
strangely enough, but yeah, I think, like, well, isn't there
also something with the Clintons. There's another conspiracy about like
something with one of their Watergate was the other one
(42:59):
that they did that their files were there and that's
why they build it.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Up that Yeah, yeah, they destroyed it because there's some
files that were linked to some something that could have
exposed them.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Why've And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
I was also always wondering why people like, growing up,
people had this like people on the right had like
a disdain for the Clinton's like a hatred, and I,
you know, not until I got older, I started to
kind of understand it, but like, I mean, they are evil, yeah,
you know, but I like I didn't really understand like
why people just hated them so much like when I
was younger, and there's just uh, something very dubious about it.
(43:41):
And I don't know, like at a certain point, It's like,
how like you actually have to be a conspiracy theorist
to think that, like there's not something going on.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Like it's a bigger conspiracy to like ignore like all
these things and think that like all these people just
happened to be pedophiles and they're all hanging out together. Yeah,
you know what I mean. And like you're conspiracy theory
if you think that there's something going honest, like that's
wild man.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Mm hm, Well, the world I've said this to people.
I've said, the world does not operate how you think
it does. It's very very different. But you like, sometimes
you think to yourself, how do I how do I
get in here? What do I start with? And obviously
you don't start with listen, the world run by satanic pedophiles.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
You can't say that to people, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 6 (44:31):
That you'll you'll lose them and they just won't they
won't listen to you. But I mean, you know, maybe
like sometimes I think to myself, something comes up and
I'll just ask a question or well, you know, nine
to eleven, for example, what do you think happened?
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Well, well, I don't really believe what they said.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
So then you then you see a little chink.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
Then you think, well, the question is something at least
at least the question in something.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (44:58):
Yeah, and everyone I think that everyone I've had I've
had family members say to me, oh, I'm not a
conspiracy theorist. But I knew this particular family member didn't
believe with landing on the moon. So I said to him,
all right, I said, so you don't, like obviously believe
in conspiracies. I said, so did we land on the moon? No,
(45:19):
of course not, I said, you do know that that's
not the official narrative, therefore it's a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
It's different that it's always different when it's something there.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yes, it's also funny that people have such a version
to it. Also, like you also just have to say,
like who cares that I don't really care about some things?
And also that somehow they like if you're believe in
a conspiracy theorists on how you're like a a racist
and you know what I mean, like like the way
they've kind of a coupled all these things I found.
Speaker 6 (45:52):
Are, Yeah, it's well, yeah, because it's to kill the conversation. Basically,
it's to kill any descent whatsoever. So you throw the
racist label out, the anti semitic, that then is meant
to shut you down. And you know, for a fact,
if you're having them them labels put on you, you're
probably over the target. You're probably close.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So I mean, we're obviously we're talking about theories.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
So there's a few theories.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
Apparently regarding the Oklahoma City or city bombing.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
There's the multiple bomb.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
Theory basically because when you look at it, there was
a lot of destruction, and we're supposed to believe that
it's this fertilizer Was it like something like nearly five
thousand pounds fertilizer bomb in a truck?
Speaker 4 (46:37):
M h yeah, yeah. And also I think the way
like they've had people dissected experts about how the bomb
and how the columns are, that's suppose they wouldn't do
that kind of damage. And also I don't I don't
really know it. It's one of those odd things where
like someone percent it is and someone else is against it,
so you don't really know what to believe. But I
(46:58):
kind of hardly believe that it would do that much damage,
especially when it was like at the forty year his
house and he was showing how he was going to
build the bomb, and like I suppose it was telling
that he had a bunch of Campbell soups cans and
he put them on a road. It's like, I mean,
that doesn't mean you know how to build a bomb.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
Well, I mean one of the theories is that the
government had fore knowledge or they were actually involved in it.
That basically the bombing was a false flag by US
government or all the intelligence services, and it was used
apparently to increase surveillance and new anti terrorism legislation or
distract from other scandals i e.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
WAC or Ruby Ridge.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
And apparently the evidence that cited for this theory is
that they obviously golf war veteran and then some alleged he.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Was part of the mk ultra program.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
Strange strange behavior of federal agents in the lead up
to the bombings, such as ATF agents not being in
the building that day, and then reports of government informants
inside militia groups tied to McVay. Another I mean, there's
a few, Well, there was.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
The two guys that like the two atf agents that
they try to say we're in the elevator because they
couldn't place anyone, so they said, all these you guys
are in the elevator. And the guy the elevator repair
mount came and looked at it and he said, like,
there's no way they could have been in there. And
he's just some dude, you know what I mean, Like
he's just some dude in the swifties, like some mall dude.
And John Ronson asked him, he was like, so what
do you think. He goes, well, apparently I'm a conspiracy
(48:24):
theorist now because like I said that these two guys
couldn't be in there. Yeah, And then you know there's
all these like odd people at Eloheim City that were there,
like Strausmeyer and Carol Howe. And then you realize that
there's so many people that were informants at Eloheim City.
You're like, how many people were actually yow Eloheim's Yeah,
you know what I mean. Like at a certain point
(48:45):
where you know, it was like that is it whitmore
the woman who was getting kidnapped by some militia, the
person in I don't know, see Michigan or Minnesota or
something like the people that were going to do it,
like the militia was like out of fourteen people, like
twelve of them were FEDS. Yeah, you know what I mean.
And so you start wondering, it's like, well, like how
(49:08):
much of this is just completely constructed? And I guess
also at the time, supposedly there was like something like
forty percent of the people that were in the gun
show circuit were FEDS. So also what a weird paranoia
kind of situation where you're thinking almost like every other
person you meet is undercover, and then you start wondering,
(49:28):
it's like, well, is there really a militia movement?
Speaker 6 (50:16):
It's slightly suppressed evidence as well, didn't they Apparently key
evidence and witness testimonies were suppressed to maintain obviously the
official narrative, which is something they always do. But apparently
some there was some surveillance from the buildings near the
blast site and.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
That they took. They took all the surveillance.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, it was never Releasia.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
And then apparently some of the witnesses who apparently saw
more than one person in the truck, they were Yeah,
they just discredited them more ignored them.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Know. What they did is when he went to trial,
they didn't bring any witnesses to testify that they saw
him that day because they couldn't find one that saw
him alone. Mm hmm, right, So I mean the first
thing you would do is bring someone and say like, yeah,
I sampulled the truck up. They didn't bring anyone to
testify because they couldn't find any of that sign without
somebody else in the truck. So and you don't know
(51:05):
it also like I don't know, maybe it's nothing, maybe
it's just some some do I don't know, but like
the idea, like the how far they go to cover
it up. It's very odd to me. And the thing that,
like you, which I also find artist, you can like
present someone this evidence and they would still be like,
that's conspiracy.
Speaker 6 (51:26):
M hm, well it's yeah, cognitive dissonance. They you can
present the alternative, but because they're so invested in the
story what they believe from the like I said, the
first story, it doesn't matter now what you're going to
tell them. It doesn't matter how much evidence. They don't
(51:48):
they're not interested because because one of the things is
they'd have to admit they were wrong, and people don't
like admitting they're wrong. And it's the same thing regarding
christian It's not anything to do with evidence, because there's
so much evidence.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
I could just real evidence.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
So if you can talk about archaeology, you can talk
about all kinds of things, but it's nothing to do
with evidence. It's a moral issue, and a lot of
it is to do with they don't want to admit
that there was wrong, that they've been living a line,
the things how they're living is wrong, do you know
what I mean? And that everything they've ever believed is wrong,
(52:28):
and that is a reality. It's like the Apostle Paul.
I remember listening to a sermon a number of years ago.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
So the Apostle Paul, before he was called Paul, was
called Saul.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
And he was persecuting Christians. He was like a super Jew.
He was the Jew of the Jews, a Pharisee of
the Pharisees. So he's now on his way to Damascus
with letters of authority to imprison Christians, and then all
of a sudden, this light shines around him.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
He falls on the floor.
Speaker 6 (52:57):
And a voice says to him, Saul, so why are
you persecuting me? And he answers back and said, who
are your Lord? And in that moment his entire world
chattered because the answer came back, I am Jesus whom
you persecuted.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
So then he's like.
Speaker 6 (53:15):
Wow, this guy who I thought was dead, I thought
he was dead. I've done everything I can in my
power to stop this message, to throw all these you know,
followers in prison. He's alive.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
That's his world shattered.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
Everything he ever thought about the world's now changed, and
that that's how it is for people, and it's uncomfortable
because they don't want the world shattering because the two
comfortable in it.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, it is easier for people to believe in lazy.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
They're lazy, and it's easier.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
I also found him just how like you were saying
that you lost a lot of friends when you became religious,
that people would be so angry about that that you
would lose a friend over there. And you also see
him in culture that's kind of demonizing someone who's religious,
which I find super odd.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, because most people are ignorant. So actually, I mean.
Speaker 6 (54:12):
What people see as Christianity is what's portrayed again on
the mainstream media, and the Roman Catholic churches is one
of the things is a massive problem because you have
all these sex scandals with them raping choir boys and
all this type of stuff, and people see that as
the church. And I've said, that's not the church. That's
(54:34):
that's Antichrist, that's an antichrist system. But that's all they
know when they see things like that, that to them
is the church. And that's the problem because that's not it.
And yeah, so that colors people's view.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
Well, maybe you're gonna answer this question, why are these
things that's so obsessed with children? Well, it's to do
kids like crazy man, I mean, how many do they need?
Speaker 6 (55:03):
Yeah, well it's to do with Did you listen to
my episode where I talked about Loosh?
Speaker 4 (55:11):
Yeah? Maybe not maybe not that One's that Tommy after.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
This it's the Great White Brotherhood.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
So if you listen to that again, I sort of
talk about why why they use children and things like that.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
But one of one of the things.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
That they believe.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Is that they believe if they sodomized children, that they're
opening up like the KUNDERLINI what they call it, opens
them up basically to be possessed by demonic spirits. That's
that's what they believe. By by sodomizing them. So there's
more to it than that. That's what these Satanists believe,
these Luciferians, and and then the obviously the sacrificing of
(55:55):
children and things like that, that's.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
To do with like energy.
Speaker 6 (56:00):
They believe that the more sort of innocent they are
that they killed, there's more of this spiritual energy, which
apparently they believe gives them power. And then it's to
do with thinning the veil between this world and the
next world, because like abortion, for example, that's just the
form of child sacrifice. Everything's recycled. There's nothing new under
(56:21):
the sun. And it's the antithesis of the Lord's Supper.
So Jesus said, this is my body broken for you,
so his body's broken for you. But abortion is this
is your body broken for me. So it's the exact opposite.
It's the antithesis. It's this Satanic inversion again, so Satan
(56:43):
inverts everything. But that's why they're obsessed with children.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
And they're obsessed with abortion, man, I mean like watching
the DNC thing where they were like giving three abortions
out the things. Whatever you believe is one thing, but
it's also to be like celebrating, which well they've just
im so like just it so creepy.
Speaker 6 (57:05):
Men.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Well they've just brought in a law.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
Now they've just decriminalized it, so so you could have
abortion ups with certain I can't remember what the what
it was, twenty four to twenty six weeks. Whyever, right,
they've now just last week made it so a woman
can have an abortion up to birth, even part way
through birth. That's how wicked this country is. It's disgusting,
(57:30):
first country in outside of China to do it.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
But also just this idea of like celebrating it. You know,
I was watching these women, you know, like chanting like
I'll get First of all, no one's screwing these women,
and I can get an abortion the second of all,
Like their obsession with it is insane.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah, well they've been Well I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
You're like, yeah, well they've been. They've been.
Speaker 6 (57:56):
It's the propaganda, the feminist movement, which is bewitched them
and brainwash them into thinking that being at home looking
after your own children with a husband.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
That loves you, that's oppressive.
Speaker 6 (58:13):
But going out to work forty hours a week being
told what to do off another man, that's freedom, and
that's what they've convinced them to believe the amount of
propaganda that that's taken to change women's view. They literally
there's women now they literally hate children like they hate
(58:34):
them and.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
That see these the just wicked.
Speaker 6 (58:38):
They celebrate abortion because they just hate them and demonic
it's true.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (58:47):
And also all these women are so it's interesting seeing
these women that I went to college with and stuff.
Haven't seen them now. That's just so depressed.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
But when I when I go to work, they're all
miserable because they don't want to be there.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
Also, I would have to work, man, I mean like
this idea that someone said, like go to work. I mean,
I'll tell you my wife does never want to work.
Speaker 6 (59:12):
Well, we always me and my wife. She always stayed
at home with the kids and I and I worked.
And that's how I've had people say to me, oh,
well we've both got to work because a child care
have gone Okay, I said, well, there's not a child
care shortage, I said, because if the mom looks after
(59:33):
the children, you won't have to pay for child care.
They're paying out like eight nine hundred pounds a month
for child care. Said, that's your second wage gone. So
what's the point if one of if your wife stays
at home you go to work, she won't be as
miserable as she is. Her kids will be brought up
with her, not some stranger, and you won't be paying
(59:54):
a private institution to bring your kid up.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
They're just not getting it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
It's the twilight zone. I don't understand, and I don't understand,
Like why how how a woman going to like who
wants to work all the time? Yeah, just then they
women like want to be like work as hard as
a menace or I mean, I don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
No, I don't, because you just like and physical physically,
men and women are different anyway. So that's just the fact,
whether absolutely these people like it. We're made differently, aren't
we We're different.
Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
And hear these people talking about this stuff where it's
like it's like, what are we talking about? It's it's
such a waste of time. Mhm, you know what I mean. Like,
wasn't it like the high school Texas football team meet
the national women's soccer team? You know, like of course, man,
(01:00:55):
I'm gonna put Messi out there with Rapino. Man, I
mean it's no contest we're we talking about.
Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Yeah, they add I think they did something over an
here Worthy add an under fifteen's boys football team play
Manchester United women's first team and I think the boys
team won nine nil.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
But why the push for it, which I also don't understand,
Like why pushing it and then at the same time
undermining women with like all the trend stuff, like I
don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
Well, Mike, that is going to be an upcoming episode. Okay,
so there's there's a there's a precursor for everyone who
listens to this show. I am going to be doing
an episode touching on these things. Yeah, it will be controversial,
and it will only be controversial because of how much
people have been propagandized. It's not controversial in and of
(01:01:50):
itself because I'll be coming from a biblical position talking
about all these things. It's not my opinion. I've said
that in the past. It's not my opinion. These things
are not things I've thought up on my own. But yeah,
that's a futured episode coming up. So, Mike, it's been
absolutely brilliant to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
It's been awesome, man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And before you go before we close this out.
Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
So you've got the film, they tell us where people
can watch it, and then tell people about some of
your other films as well.
Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I think I don't know unless the producers have got
it offline, who knows. But I think on Amazon and
I think on YouTube. I think it's definitely out there
if you search for it. My other movies, I made
a movie called Little Rock.
Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
I have.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
One of my favorite films is this film called Kiddickers,
which is about a movie. It's a movie about a
guy trying to make his first movie to documentary, was
one of my students, and he's trying to make this
really bad film about rape and murder, and it's kind
of like his whole film kind of falls apart on
the way. But yeah, and I think my Face on
Me my last movie. So try to see it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah, I've watched it.
Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Go and watch you guys, get Get if you if
you're interested in the Oklahoma City bombing, go and watch
Mike's film.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
McVeigh.
Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Well, Mike, it's been it's been amazing talking to you guys.
Like I said, I like to have new topics, and
this is a topic we've not touched on before and
I have had listeners ask me about this, so yeah,
we've covered it, Oklahoma City bombing. Hopefully it has been
informative for those of you that have never heard about it,
because I know there's people from all over the world
going to listen. So go and watch Mike's film. Thanks again,
(01:03:33):
Mike and guys. I am going to be back next
week with a new guest. I'm Paul and this is
beyond the paradigm.
Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
My crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
We don't use that word in here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
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