August 29, 2025 • 67 mins
In this episode, we pull back the veil on two of the most mysterious forces in hidden history: the Black Nobility — those powerful Italian families who shaped the Vatican, monarchies, and modern finance — and the enigmatic figure known as the Grey Pope, the alleged spiritual power broker behind the papacy itself.
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on for me, and we're going to get into this
episode now. So I'm going to be talking. Like I said,
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you've seen from the title, the Black Nobility and.
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The Gray Pope, and it's one.
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Of those stories that blurs the line between documented history
and deep conspiracy. So I want you to remember, I'm
not here to say that this is absolute fact what
I'm going to say about the Black Nobility and the
Gray Pope. What I'm here to say is we're seeking
to get to the bottom of it. There is information
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out there. I'm going to present it to you, but
we can't be dogmatic with a lot of these things.
Like I said, it blurs the line between documented history
and deep conspira. So we're going to venture into this
world of the black nobility, ancient powerful families who, according
to some, still pull the strings from behind the curtain
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of global politics. And then from there we're gonna step
into the chilling mystery of the so called Grape Pope,
a figure whispered to be the hidden authority behind the Jesuits,
the Vatican, the papacy itself. So let's try and peel
back the layers of this onion. And what I would
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say is, think of this, that this global power structure
is circles within circles. And obviously at the core you'll
have Satan, won't you. But it's circles within circles, and
it's purposely done like this. Then we can't really find
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out who's in charge. So you've got governments, haven't here,
You've got the World Economic Forum and all these things,
and these are the circle calls on the outer And
as we go in and in and in, and we're
getting towards what we call the black nobility. So let's
start with some of the basics. So the phrase black mobility,
it does not refer to skin color. I think I've
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said that before. They've been brought up in some episodes before,
but we haven't really gone into a great amount of detail.
So it doesn't refer to skin color. It refers to
something much darker, and that's the use of power through secrecy, corruption.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And ruthlessness.
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And these were not the noble knights of fairy tales.
These were the noble families of Italy, Venetian oligarchs, papal
kingmakers who allegedly maintain their influence through murder, bribery, marriage alliances,
and manipulation of religious authority. So we're talking about families
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like your scenes, the Colonna, the Borghese, that Brandini, the Foignese,
the Medici. Some of these names you may recognize. The Medici,
for example, were famous patrons of the arts during the Renaissance.
But behind the glorious paintings and architecture, behind the patronage
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of Michelangelo and Da Vinci lay power games that make
modern politics.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Look like child's play.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So the black in black nobility is about their methods,
black deeds clocked in noble titles, ruthless, lack of scruple,
the employed, murder, rape, kidnapping, robbery, and all manner of
deceit on a grand scale. Now to understand the Black nobility,
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we have to talk about Venice in the Middle Ages.
Venice was not just a beautiful lagoon city. It was
a banking empire.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It was the wall Street the city of.
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London of its time, but with fleets of ships to
back it up. Venetian nobles perfected the art of finance,
of credit, of maritime insurance, tools that made them fabulously
wealthy and dangerously powerful. And power, of course, doesn't just
sit still, does it. These Venetian oligarchs learned early on
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that real influence doesn't come from just money, it comes
from controlling institutions. And in Europe, no institution was more
powerful than the Roman Catholic Church. So these families did
what ambitious elites always do. They married into positions of influence,
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They donated vast sums of money to the Vatican, and
most importantly, they began to place their own bloodlines onto
the papal throne. So some of the families behind the
papacy so considered y. Throughout history, multiple popes have come
directly from some of these families. So, for example, your
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Sini family gave us Paupe Nicholus the Third in the
twelve hundreds, the Borghese family gave us pop Pole the
fifth in the sixteen hundreds, and the Medici family have
produced not just one, but four popes, including the infamous
Lee or the tenth who excommunicated Martin Luther during the Reformation.
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Now just think about that for a moment.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
This is the.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Supposed spiritual leader of all Christendom, chosen not by divine inspiration,
as they see it, not just by that, but by
dynastic strategy. Now here's the thing. When your family produces
a pope, you don't just gain spiritual clout. Let's say
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you gain control over land, over armies, of a vast
sums of money flowing through the church, and you gain
the ability to declare wars, to crown emperors and to
excommunicate kings. In other words, you become in many ways
God on earth. So small g God on earth. Now,
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the reason the term black nobility endures is because these
families were ruthless. Historical records and whispered rumors tell us
of assassinations carried out in silence, Rivals eliminated under cover
of night, political enemies, bribed, threatened, or simply erased. In Venice,
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nobles who oppose the ruling class could find themselves facing
the Council of ten. She was a shadowy tribunal that
could imprison or execute without trial. Secret denunciations were slipped
into the Lion's Mass, which was a carved stone letterbox
and the Doge's palace. Once your name went in, it
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was unlikely that you'd ever come out alive. And this
was statecraft by fear. This was nobility by blood, but
darkness by method. And from Venice, this culture of shadow
power spread throughout Europe, intertwining with the Vatican itself. So
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here's the question that lingers. If noble families could infiltrate
the Vatican back then, what's stopping them from doing it now?
So is it even possible today? Hidden aristocratic bloodlines still
influenced the Roman Catholic Church, that they still whisper in
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the ears of the leaders, and they still play their
centuries old chess game with the fate of nations.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So we've set the stage.
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Now with the rise of the Black nobility, those ancient
families who ruled Venice, Rome and beyond with a mixture
of cunning wealth and ruthlessness. So we now need to
move a little deeper now, because the Vatican is the
heart of Catholicism and the supposed moral compass of the
Western world, which we know it's not, but that's what
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they suppose. It became not just a spiritual sanctuary but
a battlefield, and the players on that battlefield were often
the very noble families that we have just been discussing.
So think of the Vatican not just as a church,
but it's a kingdom. It had land, armies, fortresses, diplomats, spies,
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and gold reserves, and at the center of it all
was the pope. But here's the reality. Very few popes
throughout history were chosen purely for holiness quote unquote or
spiritual merit. Many were chosen because of powerful family is
positioning them there. The conclave, the secretive gathering of cardinals
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to elect a new pope, was often less about divine
inspiration and more about backroom deals. Families lobbied, bribed and threatened,
votes were bought, promises were made, and when their candidate won,
entire dynasties flourished. Take the Borgia family, for example, poor
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Cayle Alexander, the six born Rodrigo Borgia turned the paper
sit into a family business. His son Caesar Borgia became
a ruthless military commander, inspiring even Machiavelli's writings on power.
And just a side note on Cesar Borgia. These so
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called images of Christ that you see, these blasphemous images
with this effeminate looking bloke with long hair, it's actually
Caesar Borgia. If you actually do some research into that,
and you'll see the likeness of this character that they
says Jesus and Caesar Borgia. So that's just a little
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side note, as we know it's not Jesus, and he
wouldn't have had longer anyway. And there was also the
daughter Lucrezia, whether unfairly maligned or not, she became a
symbol of corruption and scandal. But the Borgias were hardly alone.
You're seeing near the Colonna, the Medici. All of them
placed their men in robes of white, and through them
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will not just Rome, but much of Europe. Now here's
a key question. Revolutions come and go, monarchies fall, kingdom's
rising collapse, Yet somehow these families remain, how well, humanly speaking, adaptation,
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the black nobility were masters of adaptation. When monarchies lost power,
they shifted to banking. When banking became risky, they shifted
to landholdings, industry, or influence over new political systems, and
the Vatican lost political control over much of Italy during
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the nineteenth century, they adapted again, moving their influence into
the modern structures of finance and diplomacy. It's almost as
though they have this like sixth sense, the ability to
see which way history is turning and to position themselves
just ahead of it. And perhaps that's why some claim
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these families are not just old aristocrats, but there's something
more than that. Now, this is where fact begins to
blur with speculation. So researchers in alternative history circles point
to the fact that the same handful of family names
keep appearing across centuries or Senior Eldor, Brandini, Borghese, Finns.
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These names surface in papal history, in European banking, in
international politics, and the suggestion is this that these are
not just families who once held power, They are families
who still hold power behind the scenes, steering governments, financing wars,
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directing policies, even influencing elections. So think about it. If
your family had shaped history for five hundred years, and
you had money that stretched across continents and centuries, if
you add bloodlines intertwined with kings, popes and bankers, would
you ever really give that up or would you simply
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learn to operate invisibly in the shadows.
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Because that's what we're talking.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
About, people who were operating in the shadows. If you
start talking about many of these families to the everyday
person on the street, they are not going to have
a clue who you are talking about, because they think
the people in charge are the ones they see on
the television, these politicians. So let's zoom forward to more
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recent centuries. The papal states fell in eighteen seventy. They
were absorbed into the new Kingdom of Italy. The Pope
lost his land, his armies, his political independence. For a time,
the paperci seemed to shrink and reduced to a spiritual
role with little worldly power. But in nineteen twenty nine,
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something extraordinary happened. The Lateran treaty signed with Mussolini's fascist
government created Vattigan City as a sovereign state. The church,
the Roman Catholic Church, regained independence and along with it
incredible privileges.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
The Vatican not.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Just now it's quote unquote spiritual authority, but a banking
powerhouse once again, billions of dollars frowed through its accounts.
And where there's money, there is always influence. And here
again we see the fingerprints of old families, lawyers, diplomats, financiers,
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many of whom come from the same noble bloodlines that
stretch back to the Renaissance. Within the truth community, there
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are whispers that above the Pope himself there is another figure.
This man wears no white, no red, no black, but
he wors gray. And he's a man not recognized by
the faithful, but feared by the powerful. And this is
the so called gray Pope. So this is where the
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story turns a little darker. Now, if the Pope is
the white robed leader, visible to the faithful, and the
cardinals are the red road princes of the Church guiding
and advising him, then who is the figure in gray?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Now?
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The term gray Pope is whispered in alternative history circles
to describe a hidden power, a man who may not
wear official titles, but who allegedly commands obedience from both
the Jesuits and the Vatican insiders, and some say that
this figure is tied directly to the Orsini family, specifically
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to a man named Pepe or.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Scene It of Rome.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Others claim it's a rotating title, a position held quietly
among elite bloodlines. Still, there are others that believe it's symbolic.
It's a representation of the unseen hand guiding the Roman
Catholic Church from behind the curtain. Whoever, or whatever the
gray Pope is said to be, the point is chilling
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that the pope we see on television waving to the
crowds from Saint Peter's Basilica is not the one truly
calling the shots.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So why gray? Why not black or white?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
While grays the color of compromise, the blending of extremes,
the space between light and dark. It suggests invisibility, neutrality,
but also control from the background. So think about it
a shadow. It's not fully dark, it's not fully light.
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It's that gray in between, and that's what makes it powerful.
You don't always notice it, but it's always there. The
idea of a gray Pope is that somewhere in the
shadows of Rome sits a figure who answers to no one,
but who influences everyone. So where does this leavers? We
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have this black nobility, these aristocrats of darkness, who infiltrated
the Vatican, steered the papacy, and survived every upheaval in
European history. We have the Vatican itself, a state within
a city. We've influenced disproportionate to its size, commanding billions.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Of followers worldwide.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And now we have this enigmatic figure, the Gray Pope,
a name without a face, a title without a crown,
and yet perhaps the most powerful man alive if the
rumors are true, Well, we're going to peel back some
more layers. We'll look at how these noble families supposedly
connect to the global banking, to secret societies, and to
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modern geopolitics. And we're going to explore whether the Gray
Pope is actually a literal person or a symbolic role
of something even stranger. Because remember, history doesn't just live
in the past, it bleeds into the present, and sometimes
the past never really ends. To understand the Gray Pope,
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we first have to understand the Jesuits. Now, we should
be familiar with the Jesuits, because we've talked about man
here a number of times, but just to sort.
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Of go over it a little bit, just the reminder.
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Commonly called the Society of Jesus and the founded in
fifteen forty by Ignatius of Loyola, and was established as
a sort of military order of the Church, and their
motto ad majoram deir Glorium for the greater Glory of God.
The Jesuits were not just priests. They were soldiers, educators, diplomats,
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and spies. They spread across the globe into Asia, the Americas, Africa,
establishing missions, schools and universities. They became confessors to kings,
advisers to emperors, and influencers of monarchies. And they do
have many educational establishments throughout the world. Your country, whichever
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country listened to guarantee there is some educational establishments that
a Jesuit run, even if it's not commonly known. If
you do some research, one hundred percent guarantee there'll be
some education institutions, university schools that are started by the
Jesuits and still having influence there. And that's one of
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their most dangerous sort of tactics is education, because they're
obviously promoting their propaganda and people don't even realize it,
and you've probably been subject to Jesuit propaganda without even
knowing it. I've just recently found out that there's an
actual Jesuit spirituality center, Saint Bueno's Jesuit Spirituality Center, and
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it's within about ten miles of where I live, and
I never even knew about it. I've only just found
out about it recently. So there's going to be things
in your area. And like I've talked with guests on
here before, the Jesuits are seriously dangerous very quickly. Their
influence became so immense that other Catholic orders began to
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fear them. By the seventeen hundreds, entire nations demanded their suppression.
Kings and queens accused them of meddling in politics, on
manipulating monarchies, and in seventeen seventy three, Porte Clement the
fourteenth officially suppressed the Jesuits. But as with the Black nobility,
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suppression didn't mean destruction. They survived, they went underground and
eventually re emerged more powerful than ever. So we've talked
about the Jesuits there, so now it's time to sort
of look at the Black.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Pope because you've heard of the Black Pope.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
And it's the nickname basically given to the Jesuit Superior General.
And the current Black Pope or Jesuit Superior General is
Arturo Saucer. His predecessor was Adolpho Nicholas, but Arturo Saucer
was installed on the fourteenth of October twenty sixteen, and
he's the thirty first Jesuit Superior General and he wears
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a black cossack in contrast to the Pope's white robes,
and the title symbolizes his immense power within the Church.
And for centuries, conspiracy theories have swirled around that the
Black Pope, and not the White Pope, is the true
authority in Rome, commanding a vast discipline order that operates
more like an intelligence agency than a priesthood. And that's
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what they are. But the Gray Pope, that's something different.
The Gray Pope is said to be the one who
commands even the Jesuits. If the Black Pope is the
general of the army, the Gray Pope is the hidden emperor.
If the White Pope is the face for the faithful
and the Black pope's the strategist, the Gray Pope is
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the puppet master. So one name that keeps servicing again
and again when you look into this gray Pope is Orsini.
The Orsini family one of the most ancient noble families
of Rome. Their history stretches back over a thousand years
with ties to Pope's cardinals, princes, and military leaders, and
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researches track the Gray Pope often point to Pepper Your
Scene of Rome as the current figure behind this role,
and allegedly he is the iden power, the man who
commands both Jesuits and Vatican insiders. He's pulling the strings
from behind the curtain. Of course, the mainstream historians, they
dismiss this outright, as they would do to them. Pepper
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your Scene is just another Italian noble with an old
family name. But for those who believe in the Gray Pope,
he is something much more. Is the culmination of centuries
of black nobility control. So we need to expand the
picture now. The black nobility were not just landowners or politicians.
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And just a side note regarding land. If you own
your property or you own some land, the reality is
you act actually only own I think it's approximately six inches.
So if you dig down beyond six inches, that dirt
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beneath that six inches actually doesn't belong to you. So
if there was minerals and things like that in the ground,
they wouldn't belong to you. And that's the scam. So ultimately,
if you're a fee holder on the land that you own,
you only owned down six inches.
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So if you have.
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Oil there, minerals, whatever, gold, it's not yours.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
They're going to come for it.
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So, like I said, these nobility, black nobility, they weren't
just landowners or politicians. They were financiers. They were tied
into the very foundations of European banking Venice, Florence and
Rome birth financial systems that later evolved into what we
know today international banking cartels, investment houses, and global finance networks.
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Now here's where it starts to get interesting. Many researchers
argue that the Black nobility intermarried with or quietly partnered
with families like the Rothschilds and other banking dynasties, and
together they wore a web of influence that extended far
beyond Italy, reaching into London, Frankfurt, Paris, and eventually into
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New York. And the claim is that the Gray Pope
stands at the intersection of these worlds, ancient nobility, modern banking,
and religious authority. But it doesn't just stop with banking.
The accusation is that the Gray Pope, through these networks,
influences politics at the highest level. Heads of state, international organizations.
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Even the United Nations are said to fall within this web. So,
for example, the Jesuits today run some of the most
prestigious universities in the world in future leaders, presidents, and
prime ministers. Donald Trump was educated at a Jesuit run
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education establishment, as was Charles de Gaulle, former president of France,
Alfred Hitchcock, filmmaker and director, Tom Holland British actor the
one who played Spider Man, Lyndon Johnson, former President of
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the United States, Robert mcgarby, former president of Zimbabwe, and
I could.
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Go on and on and on.
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The list is immense of world leaders, of writers, of actors,
of film directors, screenwriters, all kinds of people with positions
of influence in this world have been educated at Jesuit establishments.
The Vatican itself maintains diplomat relations with nearly every country
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on Earth. Noble families continue to hold positions of influence
in Italian society, though often hidden behind business and cultural institutions.
When you put these threads together and you have a
picture of influence that is subtle but overwhelming. Not the
kind of power you see on the news, but the
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kind of power that makes the news possible in the
first place. So we need to take a little pause
now and just reflect on something. We need to reflect
on this. Secrecy itself is a form of power, because
when you can't prove something, when the evidence is scattered,
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when the details are murky, that's when myths form, and
myths in turn amplify the aura of power. The Great
Pope may or may not exist as a literal man
sitting in a Roman platz or giving out orders, but
as an idea, the gray Porte represents something real, the
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unseen hand of aristocratic influence guiding both church and state,
hidden behind centuries of secrecy, and secrecy breeds speculation. When
an institution is as old and opak as the Vatican,
when families as ancient as the Rsnes or the eldor
Brandini survive every upheaval, when money flows in ways the
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public can't trace, it creates a void, and into that
void we project the idea of hidden rulers. And here's
the psychological hook. We as human beings, are drawn to
the idea that someone somewhere is in control, even if
that control is sinister and even if it frightens us,
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because it's easier to believe in a master plan, even
a dark one, than to believe that the world is
just chaos. And the Gray Pope embodies that master plan.
He is the archetype of the hidden ruler, the shadow
behind the throne, the whisper in the Pope's ear. So
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where does this leave us. We've mapped out the Jesuits,
the Black Pope, and the Gray Pope, have connected them
to noble families, to banking and some modern political influence.
But we also need to ask how much of this
is documented fact and how much of this is allegorate
myth or deliberate disinformation, because sometimes myths themselves are tools
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of power. So we've followed the trail of the black nobility,
and we've seen how noble families became kingmakers in the Vatican,
and how whispers of a gray Pope persist, and how
these threads tying to the global banking and politics. But
we need to take a little step back, and we
need to look at the bigger picture, because in order
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to understand why these stories continue to persist, we need
to examine not just the history, but symbolism and secrecy.
So throughout history, power has always hidden itself in symbols.
The Vatican itself is a master of this. Keys crossed
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beneath a papal tiara, obelisks standing in Saint Peter's Square,
freshcores filled with coded messages. These noble families, too, carried
symbols in their coats of arms, your scenes with their bears,
the Colonia with their columns, and the and or Beraldini
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with their eagles. And these weren't just pretty designs. They
were actually claims to power, ancient imagery meant to signal dominion, heritage,
and even divine right as they claim it. Now, here's
the thing about symbols. They speak across time. A coat
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of arms carved into a stone in the fifteen hundreds
still whispers to us today. It says we were here,
we still are. So the Black nobility weren't just secretive
out of convenience. Secrecy itself became a ritual. Think about it.
Venice the Council of ten, the Lion's mouth, where anonymous
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accusations could be dropped you're seeing it, and colonial feuds
conducted behind closed doors. The Jesual Order, with its vows
of obedience and offs of silence. Secrecy wasn't just a necessity.
It was a way of life, a cultural inheritance, a
mask passed down from generation to generation. And that secrecy
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breeds mystery, Mystery becomes myth, myth becomes power. So it
brings us back to this Gray Pope now. And whether
or not Pepiorsini or anyone else truly holds this title,
the archetype itself matters. The Gray Pope represents a hidden
ruler archetype. In psychology, we might call this a projection,
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a way for us to explain the unexplained. When events
feel too coordinated, when history feels too scripted, we imagine
a figure pulling the strings. It's the same archetype we
see in stories of the illuminatae Shadow governments or deep states,
but in the case of the Gray Pope, the imagery
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is wrapped in robes of religion, cloaked in centuries of
papal intrigue. The Gray Pope becomes the shadow of the Vatican,
a ghost in the corridors of power. Now, not everyone
accepts this narrative. Mainstream historians point out that while the
Black nobility certainly existed, their power today is nowhere near
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what conspiracy theorists to suggesting. So most of these families
lost their influence centuries ago. That's according to the mainstream historians,
and the titles of ceremonial the wealth compared to modern
billionaires is modest. As for the Gray Pope, critics argue
that this is a myth born from blending the two
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real ideas the Black Pope, obviously a real person, the
Jesuit superior general who genuinely does wield influence, and the
Black nobility aristocrats who once controlled the papacy. And you
combine those to add some centuries of secrecy, and suddenly
you've created the archetype of the Black Pope. So skeptics
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are saying it's not a real man, but rather it's
a conspiracy theorist chimera. But we need to ask a
question here, why do the stories keep persisting. The answer
may be psychological. As much as historical humans crave explanations,
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we want order in chaos. We want to believe someone
is steering the ship, even if they're steering it into
the rocks, and the idea of this gray Pope gives
us that order. It explains why history seems to bend
toward the same patterns of power, wealth and control. And
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it also taps in to our mistrust of institutions. And
the Vatican, after all, has had its fair share of scandals,
from Bogia Pope's to the Vatican Bank scandals of the
twentieth century to modern controversies. Secrecy and corruption are not
foreign to roam, so when people hear whispers of a
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hidden hand, they not don't say yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
There's a danger here, because when we start attributing too
much power to the unseen hands, we risk losing sight
of real tangible issues. Corruption, inequality, abuse.
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These are real.
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Problems, and they don't always require a hidden gray porte
to explain them. Sometimes their answers are painfully human. At
the same time, dismissing everything as myth blinds us to
the ways real power does operate in secrecy. Lobbyists behind
closed doors, intelligence agencies working in the dark, corporate dynasties
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pulling strings without public oversight. So the truth lies somewhere
in between. And that's why the story of the Gray
Pope is so powerful. It keeps us questioning and it
keeps us watching. So just need to bring it back
again to symbolism. We're going to return and have a
quick look at it again. Gray, that color between black
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and white. In medieval thought, black often symbolized secrecy, death,
the hidden white symbolized purity, openness, light. But gray gray
was the liminal space, neither here nor there, neither saint
nor sinner. The Gray Pope, then, is not just about
hidden rulers. He is about the space between the scene
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and the unseen, between history and myth, between fact and belief.
He is a mirror reflecting our deepest suspicions about power.
So let's just sort of stop and gather what we've uncovered.
The Black Nobility very real families with undeniable influence over
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the Vatican and European politics for centuries. The Jesuits and
the Black Pope, a real order with real power, often
accused of being a shadow army of the papacy. And
the Gray Pope a contested idea, part myth, part archetype,
probably tied to living figures like Peppi Orsini, but more
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importantly symbolic of our fear of hidden power. And in
the last segment of this podcast today, we're going to
reflect on why these stories endure and what they mean
for us today, and how to navigate the line between
history and myth without losing sight of either. Because whether
the Gray Pope exists as a man or as an idea,
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his shadow still.
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Falls across the world we live in.
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We've come a long way on this podcast today, from
the rise of black nobility in Renaissance Italy to the
battles inside the Vatican to the whispered existence of the
Gray Pope.
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Now, as we enter the.
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Final stretch of this episode today, I want to ask
an important question, probably the most important question on this topic.
Why does this matter? Well, if the Black nobility were
nothing more than powerful families of the past, why do
their names still echo today? Why do researchers and speech marks,
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conspiracy theorists, truth seekers still point to them as the
architects of hidden power? And the answer is simple, because power,
once gained, rarely disappears. It changes shape, it hides itself,
it adapts. Your senior the Colonia, the Medici, etc. Their
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palaces may now be tourist attractions and their names whispered
only in history classrooms. But their descendants, their networks, their wealth,
those don't just vanish. They evolved, and so the story continues.
Up until now, we've looked at the Black Mobility, those
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powerful Italian families whose influence reached deep into the Vatican,
into politics, and into dynasties across Europe.
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But what if I.
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Told you that their story doesn't actually end in Rome,
or Venice or Florence. What if the shadows of these
families stretched north, beyond the Alps, across the seas until
they touch one of the most powerful financial centers the
world has ever known. And I'm talking about the city
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of London.
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Now.
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To understand the connection, we have to go back to Venice.
For centuries, Venice was the hub of international trade. Its
black nobility families grew rich on maritime commerce, banking, and
control of sea routes. They were not only merchants, there
were power brokers, lending money to kings and popes alike.
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By the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, Venice's influence began to fade.
New powers rose Spain, the Netherlands, England. Trade routes shifted,
empires expanded, Venice was no longer the center of the world.
So what did these families do. Did they accept decline? No,
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they adapted, They shifted, and they shifted the financial weight elsewhere. First,
their influence moved to Amsterdam. During the Dutch Golden Age,
Amsterdam became the new hub of global trade, finance and shipping,
and some argue that Venetian banking practices, insurance, bills of exchange,
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joint stock companies were transplanted directly into Dutch markets and
from Amsterdam, the financial expertise, the networks. The capital moved
once again, and this time it moved to London. By
the eighteenth century, the city of London had replaced Amsterdam
as the world's financial heart. The Bank of England was established,
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the London Stock Exchange rows and the City of London
became the epicenter of global finance, a position that it
still holds today. If you want a deeper dive on
the City of London and you haven't listened to it,
I have an episode on the City of London. It's
episode eighty eight, The Money Power. The City of London cabal,
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So it's well worth a life. If you haven't listened
to it before and you want a bit of a
deeper dive on the City of London, go and listen
to that. So the City of London, it's not to
be confused with London or Greater London, because it's a
unique or most mysterious entity. It's only one square mile,
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but it functions like a sovereign state within a state,
like the Vattigan City.
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It has its own.
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Lord mayor, its own police force, and peculiar traditions or
autonomy from the British Crown, even reigning monarch. When entering
the city must be formally received and granted permission to pass.
And if you've ever been to the City of London,
which I have, I was there last year. I'll be
there again in November. What you'll notice is when you're
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walking around what people think of London. Look at the
street signs. It's not London. It says City of Westminster.
So when you stood outside the Houses of Parliament, look
at one of the street signs and it'll say City
of Westminster, because you're not really in London. Saint Paul's Cathedral,
for example, is in London, and when you get to
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places like that, when you enter the City of London,
they've got their own coat of arms. The street signs
now say City of London, so you know you're there,
and the Bank of England's there, and the Stock Exchange
and et cetera. But if you're not familiar with the
City of London, listen to episode eighty eight. So the arrangement,
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like I said, mirrors this other sovereigns enclave, which we've
already talked about the Vatican, and researchers argue that it's
not a coincidence. Now, remember the Black nobility were masters
of dynastic alliances. They're married across borders, binding themselves to
the Habsburgs in Austria, the Bourbons in France, and yes,
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aristocratic families in England. Through marriage, banking partnerships and shared investments.
These families didn't just vanish from history. They plugged themselves
into the veins of new empires, and by the nineteenth
century their influence had woven itself into the networks of
British nobility and financiers. So don't forget the Vattigun itself
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as deep sides with London banking. In the eighteen hundreds,
the papacy relied heavily on the Rostow banking family, headquartered
in the City of London, for loans and financial services.
Same Vattigan still guided by the Black nobility families, and
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it was now connected by gold and debt to London's financiers.
So while Rome held this sort of spiritual sway, London
managed the money, and together religion and finance formed a
partnership that shaped global politics. Now Here were conspiracy researchers
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like myself connect the dots. Many other researchers argue that
the Black nobility, or at least the networks that they represent,
didn't just stop with the Vattigan. They extended their reach
into global system of hidden control. And at the heart
of this system, or the three sovereign states, we could
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call them the triad of power, the Vattigan representing spiritual authority,
the City of London representing financial authority, and Washington, d C.
Representing military authority. Now, according to this view, the City
of London is not just a financial district. It is
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the financial arm of a much older power structure, one
that can be traced back to the Venetian Black Nobility.
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Now is this.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
All proven well, no, but much of it it lives
in the realms of speculation, interpretation, and hidden history. But
what is undeniable is this city of London holds a
disproportionate power over global finance. It operates with unusual independence
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from the British government, and its rise coincides with the
decline of venice and the transfer of power through bloodlines, marriages,
banking networks tied to the old Black nobility. So whether
you believe in a single direct lineage or simply the
continuity of elite networks, the conclusion is the same. The
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shadows of the Black nobility stretch further than most people realize.
So when you hear about the city of London, the
square mile, the bankers, the sovereign enclave at the heart
of a global empire, remember this. It may look modern,
it may look like skyscrapers and stock exchanges, but its
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roots they may just reach back into the same families,
the same dynasties, the same dark legacy of hidden power
that we've been tracing all along. The Black nobility didn't disappear,
they evolved, they adapted, and some say they're still whispering
the corridors of power, not only in Rome, but in
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the city of London. Then we come back to the
Gray Pope. Is he a real man living today, hidden
in plain sight, pulling strings in the Vatican and beyond.
Perhaps is he a metaphor an archetype of a hidden ruler,
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the figure we imagine when the corridors of power are
too dark.
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To see clearly.
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The truth phase. It doesn't matter, because the gray port
real or not, serves a purpose. He reminds us that
history is not always what it seems, and that for
every figure we see on the balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica,
smiling and waving to the crowd, there may be unseen
forces shaping the words he speaks. The Great Pope is
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the story we tell ourselves about power without transparency. Look
at our world today. Governments, the meeting close rooms, corporations
from political campaigns, in secret intelligence agencies work in the shadows,
and they rarely held accountable.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Deals us struck that we the.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Public may never know about. Do we really believe that
these patterns are new or are they simply the continuation
of something much older? A culture of secrecy and control
that stretches back to the Black Nobility and be beyond.
The Gray Pope may be one name, but he represents
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all of it. He is every deal made in the dark,
every decision taken without people's knowledge, every whisper in the
ear of power. Now here's the paradox. On one hand,
believing two strongly in hidden rulers can lead us into paranoia.
It can blind us to the very real, visible corruption
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in our world. But on the other hand, ignoring the
possibility of hidden influence leaves us naive. It makes us
think that the world is as simple as we see
on the television, and as we know if you're a
regular to this podcast, we know that that television is
there to brainwasher, to propagandizeer, to misleadure, to deceive you.
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The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Some power is hidden,
some influence is unseen, and some myths are closer to
the reality than we want to admit. So why does
the story of the Black Nobility and Gray Pope still
resonate Because it speaks to something universal. The fear that
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we are not in control, the suspicion that our leaders
answer to someone else, the belief that behind every throne,
there is another chair. So maybe, and just maybe.
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That is true.
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History has shown us again and again that hidden power exists,
from the secret councils of Venice to the backroom deals
of the Vatigan to modern boardrooms where billionaires decide the
fate of nations. The names may change, the titles may evolve,
but the structure, the secrecy, while that remains, doesn't it.
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The Black Nobility may not rule openly anymore. The Gray
Pope may not be the name you'll ever see in
a headline, but their story is remind us of something essential.
Power always seeks the shadows, that influence thrives where our
eyes cannot see, and that we as truth seekers, must
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always question, must always look behind the curtain, and we
must always ask who really holds the strings? Because maybe
there is a gray Pope. Maybe he walks the streets
of Rome, even now unnoticed by the crowds. Or maybe
the gray Pope's just an idea, a symbol of every
hidden hand in history. Either way, the shadow remains, and
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the shadow, in its silence, speaks louder than words. The
story of the Black Nobility and the Gray Pope shows
us something Scripture already tells us that fallen humanity seeks power,
often through darkness, secrecy, and corruption, from your scene to
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the colonia dynasties. So the hidden figures whispered about today,
the lust for con control and influence is nothing new,
and Ecclesiastes reminds us that what has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again. What does
Solomon say in Ecclesiastes one nine, There is nothing new
under the sun. So throughout history, rulers, kings, nobles, and
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even popes have often abused their positions. They sought to
blend spiritual authority with political control.
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And that shouldn't surprise us.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Because Jesus himself wonders in John three nineteen that men
loved darkness rather than light. Why because he said their
deeds were evil. The Jesuits, the black Pope, the whispered
gray Pope, whether literal or symbolic, are just expressions of
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the same human condition, sin, the desire for power, and
the rebellion against God. Now, Scripture teaches us that there
are unseen powers at work, but not in the way
many conspiracy theorists imagine them. Because what does Paul say
in Ephesians Chapter six, verse twelve, He says, we wrestle
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not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places. So behind every corrupt dynasty,
every shadowy figure, every system of secrecy, there is a
greater spiritual war at play. Satan the father of lies,
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and his strategies often involve secrecy, deception, and counterfeit power.
So yeah, whether or not the Gray Pope literally exists,
the idea points to the deeper truth that the world
is under the sway of an unseen spiritual force that
opposes Christ. Now we need to respond to this as Christians,
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and we don't need to respond through paranoia or blind dismissal.
We need to use discernment. We acknowledge the reality of
corruption in human institutions, including religious ones. We remember that
no pope, no noble family, no banker nor politician is
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beyond the reach of sin. And we also remember number
one that Jesus Christ is king. Psalm two tells us
that nations rage, rulers conspire, but the Lord sits in
the heavens and he laughs. He laughs at the schemes
and then nothing compared to his sovereignty. Daniel two twenty
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one reminds us that He changes times and seasons. He
removes kings, he sets up kings. He gives wisdom to
the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. So
no black nobility can dethrone Christ, no gray pope can
undermine the sovereignty of the true King of kings. So
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what the stories of the black nobility and the gray
Pope showers is the futility of seeking salvation through earthly power.
These families built legacies of secrecy and influence, but not
one of them could save a single soul. Only Christ
can do that. At the Cross, Jesus defeated the true enemy,
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not just corrupt men, but the powers of sin and
death themselves. He disarmed the rulers and the authorities, putting
them to open shame by triumphing over them. And the
Gospel reminds us that while men grasp for powered in
the shadows, that the light of Christ exposes all things
John one five. The light shines in the darkness, and
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the darkness has not overcome it, or it's not comprehended it.
So as we close this episode, out the hidden histories
of the Black nobility and the whispers of the Gray Porte.
We need to remember this. The world is full of shadows. Yes,
history shows us rulers who plot in secret, men who
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love power more than truth. But as Christians, we are
not to fear these kind of people. We are not
to be people who fear. We have got to be
people of faith because no matter how dark the schemes
of men may be, the light of Christ is greater.
We don't need a hidden pope or noble bloodlines or
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financial empires. We have a king, the Risen Christ, whose
kingdom cannot be shaken. And so while the stories of
hi and rulers may fascinate and even disturbos, they should
also drive us back to the scriptures, to the sovereignty
of God, and to the Gospel of Grace. The truth
throne is not in Rome, it's in Heaven, and the
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true ruler is not hidden. He's revealed himself in Jesus Christ,
Lord of Life and King of Kings. So that's it
for me for another episode. Guys, I would encourage you,
as usual, do your own research. Do your own research
on the Black nobility, city of London, Gray Pope, Black, Pope,
research all these things. I can't go into massive amounts
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you please go away and do your own research. Hopefully
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be back next week with another topic. I'm Paul, and
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don't know the ripple effect that that has. We don't
know what that person's going to go away and think about.
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Maybe they become a Christian, maybe they get saved and
become a Christian and then tell other people, and then
they tell other people. So none of us fully understand
the ripple effect. And it's the same telling people about
whether you want to expose big farmer agender twenty thirty.
Whatever it is, just speak to people. That's all I
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will say. I'm just here recording my show. It's going
out over the air waves.
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Most of you.
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I've never met who listened to the show. Most of
you I never will meet. But hopefully it has a
positive effect. And the number one thing is I want
people to be saved. Want people to realize that the
world's in us of darkness because of man's sin. That
God's creation was good, it was very good, and Man
plunged it into darkness through his rebellion and sin against God.
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And through Jesus Christ, we can be reconciled unto God
and given a new life, and when we die, go
to be with Him forever in heaven. So I don't
understand the ripple effect. I don't know how much influenced
this podcast, as I just see numbers and statistics, but
I don't know the reality of how it affects people's lives.
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But I thank you for comments. I do read them,
and it's really appreciated to receive encouraging messages guys, So
thanks very much for those who have sent encouraging messages.
I do read them. I don't always have time to
respond to every single message, but I do eventually get
round to reading them, and just before we get into
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this episode, if anybody's got any recommendations for guests, because
just at this moment in time, I am sort of
researching new guests to bring onto the show. Rather than
keep bringing the same people on who have had on before,
I'm looking for new guests, so I'm in contact with
someone who's not been on the show before, waiting to
hear back. It is difficult organizing interviews with people, especially
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the fact that a lot of them are in the
United States or Canada or other countries, but they're particularly
the main ones, and I'm over here in the UK.
The time factor is difficult.
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I work.
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I have a different role than when I first started
this podcast. It was much easier for me twelve months
ago to organize interviews because I had day shifts to work,
so I knew I was at home every evening, so
it was much more easy for me to make an
interview booking with somebody and schedule that in. It's much
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more difficult for me now because I only work days
once a fortnight, so I do work late shifts on
this particular job that I do, so I am struggling
with time, so any recommendations for guests would be really appreciated. Guys,
I have had guests on before that people have suggested,
so I do listen to people. Obviously, not every guest
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I can promise I'll bring on because I might think
that they're not a good fit for the show. But
I have brought on guests previously, so I do listen
to recommendations by my listeners, as I do want it
to be as interactive as possible. So that's enough rambling
on for me, and we're going to get into this
episode now. So I'm going to be talking. Like I said,
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you've seen from the title, the Black Nobility and.
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The Gray Pope, and it's one.
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Of those stories that blurs the line between documented history
and deep conspiracy. So I want you to remember, I'm
not here to say that this is absolute fact what
I'm going to say about the Black Nobility and the
Gray Pope. What I'm here to say is we're seeking
to get to the bottom of it. There is information
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out there. I'm going to present it to you, but
we can't be dogmatic with a lot of these things.
Like I said, it blurs the line between documented history
and deep conspira. So we're going to venture into this
world of the black nobility, ancient powerful families who, according
to some, still pull the strings from behind the curtain
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of global politics. And then from there we're gonna step
into the chilling mystery of the so called Grape Pope,
a figure whispered to be the hidden authority behind the Jesuits,
the Vatican, the papacy itself. So let's try and peel
back the layers of this onion. And what I would
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say is, think of this, that this global power structure
is circles within circles. And obviously at the core you'll
have Satan, won't you. But it's circles within circles, and
it's purposely done like this. Then we can't really find
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out who's in charge. So you've got governments, haven't here,
You've got the World Economic Forum and all these things,
and these are the circle calls on the outer And
as we go in and in and in, and we're
getting towards what we call the black nobility. So let's
start with some of the basics. So the phrase black mobility,
it does not refer to skin color. I think I've
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said that before. They've been brought up in some episodes before,
but we haven't really gone into a great amount of detail.
So it doesn't refer to skin color. It refers to
something much darker, and that's the use of power through secrecy, corruption.
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And ruthlessness.
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And these were not the noble knights of fairy tales.
These were the noble families of Italy, Venetian oligarchs, papal
kingmakers who allegedly maintain their influence through murder, bribery, marriage alliances,
and manipulation of religious authority. So we're talking about families
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like your scenes, the Colonna, the Borghese, that Brandini, the Foignese,
the Medici. Some of these names you may recognize. The Medici,
for example, were famous patrons of the arts during the Renaissance.
But behind the glorious paintings and architecture, behind the patronage
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of Michelangelo and Da Vinci lay power games that make
modern politics.
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Look like child's play.
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So the black in black nobility is about their methods,
black deeds clocked in noble titles, ruthless, lack of scruple,
the employed, murder, rape, kidnapping, robbery, and all manner of
deceit on a grand scale. Now to understand the Black nobility,
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we have to talk about Venice in the Middle Ages.
Venice was not just a beautiful lagoon city. It was
a banking empire.
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It was the wall Street the city of.
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London of its time, but with fleets of ships to
back it up. Venetian nobles perfected the art of finance,
of credit, of maritime insurance, tools that made them fabulously
wealthy and dangerously powerful. And power, of course, doesn't just
sit still, does it. These Venetian oligarchs learned early on
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that real influence doesn't come from just money, it comes
from controlling institutions. And in Europe, no institution was more
powerful than the Roman Catholic Church. So these families did
what ambitious elites always do. They married into positions of influence,
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They donated vast sums of money to the Vatican, and
most importantly, they began to place their own bloodlines onto
the papal throne. So some of the families behind the
papacy so considered y. Throughout history, multiple popes have come
directly from some of these families. So, for example, your
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Sini family gave us Paupe Nicholus the Third in the
twelve hundreds, the Borghese family gave us pop Pole the
fifth in the sixteen hundreds, and the Medici family have
produced not just one, but four popes, including the infamous
Lee or the tenth who excommunicated Martin Luther during the Reformation.
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Now just think about that for a moment.
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This is the.
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Supposed spiritual leader of all Christendom, chosen not by divine inspiration,
as they see it, not just by that, but by
dynastic strategy. Now here's the thing. When your family produces
a pope, you don't just gain spiritual clout. Let's say
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you gain control over land, over armies, of a vast
sums of money flowing through the church, and you gain
the ability to declare wars, to crown emperors and to
excommunicate kings. In other words, you become in many ways
God on earth. So small g God on earth. Now,
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the reason the term black nobility endures is because these
families were ruthless. Historical records and whispered rumors tell us
of assassinations carried out in silence, Rivals eliminated under cover
of night, political enemies, bribed, threatened, or simply erased. In Venice,
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nobles who oppose the ruling class could find themselves facing
the Council of ten. She was a shadowy tribunal that
could imprison or execute without trial. Secret denunciations were slipped
into the Lion's Mass, which was a carved stone letterbox
and the Doge's palace. Once your name went in, it
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was unlikely that you'd ever come out alive. And this
was statecraft by fear. This was nobility by blood, but
darkness by method. And from Venice, this culture of shadow
power spread throughout Europe, intertwining with the Vatican itself. So
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here's the question that lingers. If noble families could infiltrate
the Vatican back then, what's stopping them from doing it now?
So is it even possible today? Hidden aristocratic bloodlines still
influenced the Roman Catholic Church, that they still whisper in
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the ears of the leaders, and they still play their
centuries old chess game with the fate of nations.
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So we've set the stage.
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Now with the rise of the Black nobility, those ancient
families who ruled Venice, Rome and beyond with a mixture
of cunning wealth and ruthlessness. So we now need to
move a little deeper now, because the Vatican is the
heart of Catholicism and the supposed moral compass of the
Western world, which we know it's not, but that's what
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they suppose. It became not just a spiritual sanctuary but
a battlefield, and the players on that battlefield were often
the very noble families that we have just been discussing.
So think of the Vatican not just as a church,
but it's a kingdom. It had land, armies, fortresses, diplomats, spies,
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and gold reserves, and at the center of it all
was the pope. But here's the reality. Very few popes
throughout history were chosen purely for holiness quote unquote or
spiritual merit. Many were chosen because of powerful family is
positioning them there. The conclave, the secretive gathering of cardinals
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to elect a new pope, was often less about divine
inspiration and more about backroom deals. Families lobbied, bribed and threatened,
votes were bought, promises were made, and when their candidate won,
entire dynasties flourished. Take the Borgia family, for example, poor
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Cayle Alexander, the six born Rodrigo Borgia turned the paper
sit into a family business. His son Caesar Borgia became
a ruthless military commander, inspiring even Machiavelli's writings on power.
And just a side note on Cesar Borgia. These so
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called images of Christ that you see, these blasphemous images
with this effeminate looking bloke with long hair, it's actually
Caesar Borgia. If you actually do some research into that,
and you'll see the likeness of this character that they
says Jesus and Caesar Borgia. So that's just a little
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side note, as we know it's not Jesus, and he
wouldn't have had longer anyway. And there was also the
daughter Lucrezia, whether unfairly maligned or not, she became a
symbol of corruption and scandal. But the Borgias were hardly alone.
You're seeing near the Colonna, the Medici. All of them
placed their men in robes of white, and through them
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will not just Rome, but much of Europe. Now here's
a key question. Revolutions come and go, monarchies fall, kingdom's
rising collapse, Yet somehow these families remain, how well, humanly speaking, adaptation,
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the black nobility were masters of adaptation. When monarchies lost power,
they shifted to banking. When banking became risky, they shifted
to landholdings, industry, or influence over new political systems, and
the Vatican lost political control over much of Italy during
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the nineteenth century, they adapted again, moving their influence into
the modern structures of finance and diplomacy. It's almost as
though they have this like sixth sense, the ability to
see which way history is turning and to position themselves
just ahead of it. And perhaps that's why some claim
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these families are not just old aristocrats, but there's something
more than that. Now, this is where fact begins to
blur with speculation. So researchers in alternative history circles point
to the fact that the same handful of family names
keep appearing across centuries or Senior Eldor, Brandini, Borghese, Finns.
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These names surface in papal history, in European banking, in
international politics, and the suggestion is this that these are
not just families who once held power, They are families
who still hold power behind the scenes, steering governments, financing wars,
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directing policies, even influencing elections. So think about it. If
your family had shaped history for five hundred years, and
you had money that stretched across continents and centuries, if
you add bloodlines intertwined with kings, popes and bankers, would
you ever really give that up or would you simply
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learn to operate invisibly in the shadows.
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Because that's what we're talking.
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About, people who were operating in the shadows. If you
start talking about many of these families to the everyday
person on the street, they are not going to have
a clue who you are talking about, because they think
the people in charge are the ones they see on
the television, these politicians. So let's zoom forward to more
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recent centuries. The papal states fell in eighteen seventy. They
were absorbed into the new Kingdom of Italy. The Pope
lost his land, his armies, his political independence. For a time,
the paperci seemed to shrink and reduced to a spiritual
role with little worldly power. But in nineteen twenty nine,
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something extraordinary happened. The Lateran treaty signed with Mussolini's fascist
government created Vattigan City as a sovereign state. The church,
the Roman Catholic Church, regained independence and along with it
incredible privileges.
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The Vatican not.
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Just now it's quote unquote spiritual authority, but a banking
powerhouse once again, billions of dollars frowed through its accounts.
And where there's money, there is always influence. And here
again we see the fingerprints of old families, lawyers, diplomats, financiers,
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many of whom come from the same noble bloodlines that
stretch back to the Renaissance. Within the truth community, there
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are whispers that above the Pope himself there is another figure.
This man wears no white, no red, no black, but
he wors gray. And he's a man not recognized by
the faithful, but feared by the powerful. And this is
the so called gray Pope. So this is where the
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story turns a little darker. Now, if the Pope is
the white robed leader, visible to the faithful, and the
cardinals are the red road princes of the Church guiding
and advising him, then who is the figure in gray?
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Now?
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The term gray Pope is whispered in alternative history circles
to describe a hidden power, a man who may not
wear official titles, but who allegedly commands obedience from both
the Jesuits and the Vatican insiders, and some say that
this figure is tied directly to the Orsini family, specifically
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to a man named Pepe or.
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Scene It of Rome.
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Others claim it's a rotating title, a position held quietly
among elite bloodlines. Still, there are others that believe it's symbolic.
It's a representation of the unseen hand guiding the Roman
Catholic Church from behind the curtain. Whoever, or whatever the
gray Pope is said to be, the point is chilling
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that the pope we see on television waving to the
crowds from Saint Peter's Basilica is not the one truly
calling the shots.
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So why gray? Why not black or white?
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While grays the color of compromise, the blending of extremes,
the space between light and dark. It suggests invisibility, neutrality,
but also control from the background. So think about it
a shadow. It's not fully dark, it's not fully light.
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It's that gray in between, and that's what makes it powerful.
You don't always notice it, but it's always there. The
idea of a gray Pope is that somewhere in the
shadows of Rome sits a figure who answers to no one,
but who influences everyone. So where does this leavers? We
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have this black nobility, these aristocrats of darkness, who infiltrated
the Vatican, steered the papacy, and survived every upheaval in
European history. We have the Vatican itself, a state within
a city. We've influenced disproportionate to its size, commanding billions.
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Of followers worldwide.
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And now we have this enigmatic figure, the Gray Pope,
a name without a face, a title without a crown,
and yet perhaps the most powerful man alive if the
rumors are true, Well, we're going to peel back some
more layers. We'll look at how these noble families supposedly
connect to the global banking, to secret societies, and to
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modern geopolitics. And we're going to explore whether the Gray
Pope is actually a literal person or a symbolic role
of something even stranger. Because remember, history doesn't just live
in the past, it bleeds into the present, and sometimes
the past never really ends. To understand the Gray Pope,
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we first have to understand the Jesuits. Now, we should
be familiar with the Jesuits, because we've talked about man
here a number of times, but just to sort.
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Of go over it a little bit, just the reminder.
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Commonly called the Society of Jesus and the founded in
fifteen forty by Ignatius of Loyola, and was established as
a sort of military order of the Church, and their
motto ad majoram deir Glorium for the greater Glory of God.
The Jesuits were not just priests. They were soldiers, educators, diplomats,
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and spies. They spread across the globe into Asia, the Americas, Africa,
establishing missions, schools and universities. They became confessors to kings,
advisers to emperors, and influencers of monarchies. And they do
have many educational establishments throughout the world. Your country, whichever
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country listened to guarantee there is some educational establishments that
a Jesuit run, even if it's not commonly known. If
you do some research, one hundred percent guarantee there'll be
some education institutions, university schools that are started by the
Jesuits and still having influence there. And that's one of
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their most dangerous sort of tactics is education, because they're
obviously promoting their propaganda and people don't even realize it,
and you've probably been subject to Jesuit propaganda without even
knowing it. I've just recently found out that there's an
actual Jesuit spirituality center, Saint Bueno's Jesuit Spirituality Center, and
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it's within about ten miles of where I live, and
I never even knew about it. I've only just found
out about it recently. So there's going to be things
in your area. And like I've talked with guests on
here before, the Jesuits are seriously dangerous very quickly. Their
influence became so immense that other Catholic orders began to
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fear them. By the seventeen hundreds, entire nations demanded their suppression.
Kings and queens accused them of meddling in politics, on
manipulating monarchies, and in seventeen seventy three, Porte Clement the
fourteenth officially suppressed the Jesuits. But as with the Black nobility,
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suppression didn't mean destruction. They survived, they went underground and
eventually re emerged more powerful than ever. So we've talked
about the Jesuits there, so now it's time to sort
of look at the Black.
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Pope because you've heard of the Black Pope.
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And it's the nickname basically given to the Jesuit Superior General.
And the current Black Pope or Jesuit Superior General is
Arturo Saucer. His predecessor was Adolpho Nicholas, but Arturo Saucer
was installed on the fourteenth of October twenty sixteen, and
he's the thirty first Jesuit Superior General and he wears
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a black cossack in contrast to the Pope's white robes,
and the title symbolizes his immense power within the Church.
And for centuries, conspiracy theories have swirled around that the
Black Pope, and not the White Pope, is the true
authority in Rome, commanding a vast discipline order that operates
more like an intelligence agency than a priesthood. And that's
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what they are. But the Gray Pope, that's something different.
The Gray Pope is said to be the one who
commands even the Jesuits. If the Black Pope is the
general of the army, the Gray Pope is the hidden emperor.
If the White Pope is the face for the faithful
and the Black pope's the strategist, the Gray Pope is
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the puppet master. So one name that keeps servicing again
and again when you look into this gray Pope is Orsini.
The Orsini family one of the most ancient noble families
of Rome. Their history stretches back over a thousand years
with ties to Pope's cardinals, princes, and military leaders, and
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researches track the Gray Pope often point to Pepper Your
Scene of Rome as the current figure behind this role,
and allegedly he is the iden power, the man who
commands both Jesuits and Vatican insiders. He's pulling the strings
from behind the curtain. Of course, the mainstream historians, they
dismiss this outright, as they would do to them. Pepper
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your Scene is just another Italian noble with an old
family name. But for those who believe in the Gray Pope,
he is something much more. Is the culmination of centuries
of black nobility control. So we need to expand the
picture now. The black nobility were not just landowners or politicians.
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And just a side note regarding land. If you own
your property or you own some land, the reality is
you act actually only own I think it's approximately six inches.
So if you dig down beyond six inches, that dirt
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beneath that six inches actually doesn't belong to you. So
if there was minerals and things like that in the ground,
they wouldn't belong to you. And that's the scam. So ultimately,
if you're a fee holder on the land that you own,
you only owned down six inches.
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So if you have.
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Oil there, minerals, whatever, gold, it's not yours.
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They're going to come for it.
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So, like I said, these nobility, black nobility, they weren't
just landowners or politicians. They were financiers. They were tied
into the very foundations of European banking Venice, Florence and
Rome birth financial systems that later evolved into what we
know today international banking cartels, investment houses, and global finance networks.
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Now here's where it starts to get interesting. Many researchers
argue that the Black nobility intermarried with or quietly partnered
with families like the Rothschilds and other banking dynasties, and
together they wore a web of influence that extended far
beyond Italy, reaching into London, Frankfurt, Paris, and eventually into
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New York. And the claim is that the Gray Pope
stands at the intersection of these worlds, ancient nobility, modern banking,
and religious authority. But it doesn't just stop with banking.
The accusation is that the Gray Pope, through these networks,
influences politics at the highest level. Heads of state, international organizations.
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Even the United Nations are said to fall within this web. So,
for example, the Jesuits today run some of the most
prestigious universities in the world in future leaders, presidents, and
prime ministers. Donald Trump was educated at a Jesuit run
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education establishment, as was Charles de Gaulle, former president of France,
Alfred Hitchcock, filmmaker and director, Tom Holland British actor the
one who played Spider Man, Lyndon Johnson, former President of
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the United States, Robert mcgarby, former president of Zimbabwe, and
I could.
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Go on and on and on.
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The list is immense of world leaders, of writers, of actors,
of film directors, screenwriters, all kinds of people with positions
of influence in this world have been educated at Jesuit establishments.
The Vatican itself maintains diplomat relations with nearly every country
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on Earth. Noble families continue to hold positions of influence
in Italian society, though often hidden behind business and cultural institutions.
When you put these threads together and you have a
picture of influence that is subtle but overwhelming. Not the
kind of power you see on the news, but the
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kind of power that makes the news possible in the
first place. So we need to take a little pause
now and just reflect on something. We need to reflect
on this. Secrecy itself is a form of power, because
when you can't prove something, when the evidence is scattered,
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when the details are murky, that's when myths form, and
myths in turn amplify the aura of power. The Great
Pope may or may not exist as a literal man
sitting in a Roman platz or giving out orders, but
as an idea, the gray Porte represents something real, the
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unseen hand of aristocratic influence guiding both church and state,
hidden behind centuries of secrecy, and secrecy breeds speculation. When
an institution is as old and opak as the Vatican,
when families as ancient as the Rsnes or the eldor
Brandini survive every upheaval, when money flows in ways the
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public can't trace, it creates a void, and into that
void we project the idea of hidden rulers. And here's
the psychological hook. We as human beings, are drawn to
the idea that someone somewhere is in control, even if
that control is sinister and even if it frightens us,
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because it's easier to believe in a master plan, even
a dark one, than to believe that the world is
just chaos. And the Gray Pope embodies that master plan.
He is the archetype of the hidden ruler, the shadow
behind the throne, the whisper in the Pope's ear. So
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where does this leave us. We've mapped out the Jesuits,
the Black Pope, and the Gray Pope, have connected them
to noble families, to banking and some modern political influence.
But we also need to ask how much of this
is documented fact and how much of this is allegorate
myth or deliberate disinformation, because sometimes myths themselves are tools
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of power. So we've followed the trail of the black nobility,
and we've seen how noble families became kingmakers in the Vatican,
and how whispers of a gray Pope persist, and how
these threads tying to the global banking and politics. But
we need to take a little step back, and we
need to look at the bigger picture, because in order
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to understand why these stories continue to persist, we need
to examine not just the history, but symbolism and secrecy.
So throughout history, power has always hidden itself in symbols.
The Vatican itself is a master of this. Keys crossed
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beneath a papal tiara, obelisks standing in Saint Peter's Square,
freshcores filled with coded messages. These noble families, too, carried
symbols in their coats of arms, your scenes with their bears,
the Colonia with their columns, and the and or Beraldini
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with their eagles. And these weren't just pretty designs. They
were actually claims to power, ancient imagery meant to signal dominion, heritage,
and even divine right as they claim it. Now, here's
the thing about symbols. They speak across time. A coat
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of arms carved into a stone in the fifteen hundreds
still whispers to us today. It says we were here,
we still are. So the Black nobility weren't just secretive
out of convenience. Secrecy itself became a ritual. Think about it.
Venice the Council of ten, the Lion's mouth, where anonymous
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accusations could be dropped you're seeing it, and colonial feuds
conducted behind closed doors. The Jesual Order, with its vows
of obedience and offs of silence. Secrecy wasn't just a necessity.
It was a way of life, a cultural inheritance, a
mask passed down from generation to generation. And that secrecy
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breeds mystery, Mystery becomes myth, myth becomes power. So it
brings us back to this Gray Pope now. And whether
or not Pepiorsini or anyone else truly holds this title,
the archetype itself matters. The Gray Pope represents a hidden
ruler archetype. In psychology, we might call this a projection,
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a way for us to explain the unexplained. When events
feel too coordinated, when history feels too scripted, we imagine
a figure pulling the strings. It's the same archetype we
see in stories of the illuminatae Shadow governments or deep states,
but in the case of the Gray Pope, the imagery
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is wrapped in robes of religion, cloaked in centuries of
papal intrigue. The Gray Pope becomes the shadow of the Vatican,
a ghost in the corridors of power. Now, not everyone
accepts this narrative. Mainstream historians point out that while the
Black nobility certainly existed, their power today is nowhere near
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what conspiracy theorists to suggesting. So most of these families
lost their influence centuries ago. That's according to the mainstream historians,
and the titles of ceremonial the wealth compared to modern
billionaires is modest. As for the Gray Pope, critics argue
that this is a myth born from blending the two
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real ideas the Black Pope, obviously a real person, the
Jesuit superior general who genuinely does wield influence, and the
Black nobility aristocrats who once controlled the papacy. And you
combine those to add some centuries of secrecy, and suddenly
you've created the archetype of the Black Pope. So skeptics
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are saying it's not a real man, but rather it's
a conspiracy theorist chimera. But we need to ask a
question here, why do the stories keep persisting. The answer
may be psychological. As much as historical humans crave explanations,
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we want order in chaos. We want to believe someone
is steering the ship, even if they're steering it into
the rocks, and the idea of this gray Pope gives
us that order. It explains why history seems to bend
toward the same patterns of power, wealth and control. And
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it also taps in to our mistrust of institutions. And
the Vatican, after all, has had its fair share of scandals,
from Bogia Pope's to the Vatican Bank scandals of the
twentieth century to modern controversies. Secrecy and corruption are not
foreign to roam, so when people hear whispers of a
(42:55):
hidden hand, they not don't say yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
There's a danger here, because when we start attributing too
much power to the unseen hands, we risk losing sight
of real tangible issues. Corruption, inequality, abuse.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
These are real.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Problems, and they don't always require a hidden gray porte
to explain them. Sometimes their answers are painfully human. At
the same time, dismissing everything as myth blinds us to
the ways real power does operate in secrecy. Lobbyists behind
closed doors, intelligence agencies working in the dark, corporate dynasties
(43:39):
pulling strings without public oversight. So the truth lies somewhere
in between. And that's why the story of the Gray
Pope is so powerful. It keeps us questioning and it
keeps us watching. So just need to bring it back
again to symbolism. We're going to return and have a
quick look at it again. Gray, that color between black
(43:59):
and white. In medieval thought, black often symbolized secrecy, death,
the hidden white symbolized purity, openness, light. But gray gray
was the liminal space, neither here nor there, neither saint
nor sinner. The Gray Pope, then, is not just about
hidden rulers. He is about the space between the scene
(44:21):
and the unseen, between history and myth, between fact and belief.
He is a mirror reflecting our deepest suspicions about power.
So let's just sort of stop and gather what we've uncovered.
The Black Nobility very real families with undeniable influence over
(44:43):
the Vatican and European politics for centuries. The Jesuits and
the Black Pope, a real order with real power, often
accused of being a shadow army of the papacy. And
the Gray Pope a contested idea, part myth, part archetype,
probably tied to living figures like Peppi Orsini, but more
(45:04):
importantly symbolic of our fear of hidden power. And in
the last segment of this podcast today, we're going to
reflect on why these stories endure and what they mean
for us today, and how to navigate the line between
history and myth without losing sight of either. Because whether
the Gray Pope exists as a man or as an idea,
(45:26):
his shadow still.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Falls across the world we live in.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
We've come a long way on this podcast today, from
the rise of black nobility in Renaissance Italy to the
battles inside the Vatican to the whispered existence of the
Gray Pope.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Now, as we enter the.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Final stretch of this episode today, I want to ask
an important question, probably the most important question on this topic.
Why does this matter? Well, if the Black nobility were
nothing more than powerful families of the past, why do
their names still echo today? Why do researchers and speech marks,
(46:43):
conspiracy theorists, truth seekers still point to them as the
architects of hidden power? And the answer is simple, because power,
once gained, rarely disappears. It changes shape, it hides itself,
it adapts. Your senior the Colonia, the Medici, etc. Their
(47:05):
palaces may now be tourist attractions and their names whispered
only in history classrooms. But their descendants, their networks, their wealth,
those don't just vanish. They evolved, and so the story continues.
Up until now, we've looked at the Black Mobility, those
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powerful Italian families whose influence reached deep into the Vatican,
into politics, and into dynasties across Europe.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
But what if I.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Told you that their story doesn't actually end in Rome,
or Venice or Florence. What if the shadows of these
families stretched north, beyond the Alps, across the seas until
they touch one of the most powerful financial centers the
world has ever known. And I'm talking about the city
(47:57):
of London.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Now.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
To understand the connection, we have to go back to Venice.
For centuries, Venice was the hub of international trade. Its
black nobility families grew rich on maritime commerce, banking, and
control of sea routes. They were not only merchants, there
were power brokers, lending money to kings and popes alike.
(48:23):
By the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, Venice's influence began to fade.
New powers rose Spain, the Netherlands, England. Trade routes shifted,
empires expanded, Venice was no longer the center of the world.
So what did these families do. Did they accept decline? No,
(48:47):
they adapted, They shifted, and they shifted the financial weight elsewhere. First,
their influence moved to Amsterdam. During the Dutch Golden Age,
Amsterdam became the new hub of global trade, finance and shipping,
and some argue that Venetian banking practices, insurance, bills of exchange,
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joint stock companies were transplanted directly into Dutch markets and
from Amsterdam, the financial expertise, the networks. The capital moved
once again, and this time it moved to London. By
the eighteenth century, the city of London had replaced Amsterdam
as the world's financial heart. The Bank of England was established,
(49:36):
the London Stock Exchange rows and the City of London
became the epicenter of global finance, a position that it
still holds today. If you want a deeper dive on
the City of London and you haven't listened to it,
I have an episode on the City of London. It's
episode eighty eight, The Money Power. The City of London cabal,
(49:58):
So it's well worth a life. If you haven't listened
to it before and you want a bit of a
deeper dive on the City of London, go and listen
to that. So the City of London, it's not to
be confused with London or Greater London, because it's a
unique or most mysterious entity. It's only one square mile,
(50:19):
but it functions like a sovereign state within a state,
like the Vattigan City.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
It has its own.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Lord mayor, its own police force, and peculiar traditions or
autonomy from the British Crown, even reigning monarch. When entering
the city must be formally received and granted permission to pass.
And if you've ever been to the City of London,
which I have, I was there last year. I'll be
there again in November. What you'll notice is when you're
(50:49):
walking around what people think of London. Look at the
street signs. It's not London. It says City of Westminster.
So when you stood outside the Houses of Parliament, look
at one of the street signs and it'll say City
of Westminster, because you're not really in London. Saint Paul's Cathedral,
for example, is in London, and when you get to
(51:10):
places like that, when you enter the City of London,
they've got their own coat of arms. The street signs
now say City of London, so you know you're there,
and the Bank of England's there, and the Stock Exchange
and et cetera. But if you're not familiar with the
City of London, listen to episode eighty eight. So the arrangement,
(51:33):
like I said, mirrors this other sovereigns enclave, which we've
already talked about the Vatican, and researchers argue that it's
not a coincidence. Now, remember the Black nobility were masters
of dynastic alliances. They're married across borders, binding themselves to
the Habsburgs in Austria, the Bourbons in France, and yes,
(51:56):
aristocratic families in England. Through marriage, banking partnerships and shared investments.
These families didn't just vanish from history. They plugged themselves
into the veins of new empires, and by the nineteenth
century their influence had woven itself into the networks of
British nobility and financiers. So don't forget the Vattigun itself
(52:22):
as deep sides with London banking. In the eighteen hundreds,
the papacy relied heavily on the Rostow banking family, headquartered
in the City of London, for loans and financial services.
Same Vattigan still guided by the Black nobility families, and
(52:42):
it was now connected by gold and debt to London's financiers.
So while Rome held this sort of spiritual sway, London
managed the money, and together religion and finance formed a
partnership that shaped global politics. Now Here were conspiracy researchers
(53:06):
like myself connect the dots. Many other researchers argue that
the Black nobility, or at least the networks that they represent,
didn't just stop with the Vattigan. They extended their reach
into global system of hidden control. And at the heart
of this system, or the three sovereign states, we could
(53:28):
call them the triad of power, the Vattigan representing spiritual authority,
the City of London representing financial authority, and Washington, d C.
Representing military authority. Now, according to this view, the City
of London is not just a financial district. It is
(53:49):
the financial arm of a much older power structure, one
that can be traced back to the Venetian Black Nobility.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Now is this.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
All proven well, no, but much of it it lives
in the realms of speculation, interpretation, and hidden history. But
what is undeniable is this city of London holds a
disproportionate power over global finance. It operates with unusual independence
(54:21):
from the British government, and its rise coincides with the
decline of venice and the transfer of power through bloodlines, marriages,
banking networks tied to the old Black nobility. So whether
you believe in a single direct lineage or simply the
continuity of elite networks, the conclusion is the same. The
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shadows of the Black nobility stretch further than most people realize.
So when you hear about the city of London, the
square mile, the bankers, the sovereign enclave at the heart
of a global empire, remember this. It may look modern,
it may look like skyscrapers and stock exchanges, but its
(55:08):
roots they may just reach back into the same families,
the same dynasties, the same dark legacy of hidden power
that we've been tracing all along. The Black nobility didn't disappear,
they evolved, they adapted, and some say they're still whispering
the corridors of power, not only in Rome, but in
(55:29):
the city of London. Then we come back to the
Gray Pope. Is he a real man living today, hidden
in plain sight, pulling strings in the Vatican and beyond.
Perhaps is he a metaphor an archetype of a hidden ruler,
(55:49):
the figure we imagine when the corridors of power are
too dark.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
To see clearly.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
The truth phase. It doesn't matter, because the gray port
real or not, serves a purpose. He reminds us that
history is not always what it seems, and that for
every figure we see on the balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica,
smiling and waving to the crowd, there may be unseen
forces shaping the words he speaks. The Great Pope is
(56:20):
the story we tell ourselves about power without transparency. Look
at our world today. Governments, the meeting close rooms, corporations
from political campaigns, in secret intelligence agencies work in the shadows,
and they rarely held accountable.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Deals us struck that we the.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Public may never know about. Do we really believe that
these patterns are new or are they simply the continuation
of something much older? A culture of secrecy and control
that stretches back to the Black Nobility and be beyond.
The Gray Pope may be one name, but he represents
(57:05):
all of it. He is every deal made in the dark,
every decision taken without people's knowledge, every whisper in the
ear of power. Now here's the paradox. On one hand,
believing two strongly in hidden rulers can lead us into paranoia.
It can blind us to the very real, visible corruption
(57:28):
in our world. But on the other hand, ignoring the
possibility of hidden influence leaves us naive. It makes us
think that the world is as simple as we see
on the television, and as we know if you're a
regular to this podcast, we know that that television is
there to brainwasher, to propagandizeer, to misleadure, to deceive you.
(57:51):
The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Some power is hidden,
some influence is unseen, and some myths are closer to
the reality than we want to admit. So why does
the story of the Black Nobility and Gray Pope still
resonate Because it speaks to something universal. The fear that
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we are not in control, the suspicion that our leaders
answer to someone else, the belief that behind every throne,
there is another chair. So maybe, and just maybe.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
That is true.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
History has shown us again and again that hidden power exists,
from the secret councils of Venice to the backroom deals
of the Vatigan to modern boardrooms where billionaires decide the
fate of nations. The names may change, the titles may evolve,
but the structure, the secrecy, while that remains, doesn't it.
(58:48):
The Black Nobility may not rule openly anymore. The Gray
Pope may not be the name you'll ever see in
a headline, but their story is remind us of something essential.
Power always seeks the shadows, that influence thrives where our
eyes cannot see, and that we as truth seekers, must
(59:10):
always question, must always look behind the curtain, and we
must always ask who really holds the strings? Because maybe
there is a gray Pope. Maybe he walks the streets
of Rome, even now unnoticed by the crowds. Or maybe
the gray Pope's just an idea, a symbol of every
hidden hand in history. Either way, the shadow remains, and
(59:33):
the shadow, in its silence, speaks louder than words. The
story of the Black Nobility and the Gray Pope shows
us something Scripture already tells us that fallen humanity seeks power,
often through darkness, secrecy, and corruption, from your scene to
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the colonia dynasties. So the hidden figures whispered about today,
the lust for con control and influence is nothing new,
and Ecclesiastes reminds us that what has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again. What does
Solomon say in Ecclesiastes one nine, There is nothing new
under the sun. So throughout history, rulers, kings, nobles, and
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even popes have often abused their positions. They sought to
blend spiritual authority with political control.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
And that shouldn't surprise us.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Because Jesus himself wonders in John three nineteen that men
loved darkness rather than light. Why because he said their
deeds were evil. The Jesuits, the black Pope, the whispered
gray Pope, whether literal or symbolic, are just expressions of
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the same human condition, sin, the desire for power, and
the rebellion against God. Now, Scripture teaches us that there
are unseen powers at work, but not in the way
many conspiracy theorists imagine them. Because what does Paul say
in Ephesians Chapter six, verse twelve, He says, we wrestle
(01:01:12):
not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places. So behind every corrupt dynasty,
every shadowy figure, every system of secrecy, there is a
greater spiritual war at play. Satan the father of lies,
(01:01:35):
and his strategies often involve secrecy, deception, and counterfeit power.
So yeah, whether or not the Gray Pope literally exists,
the idea points to the deeper truth that the world
is under the sway of an unseen spiritual force that
opposes Christ. Now we need to respond to this as Christians,
(01:02:00):
and we don't need to respond through paranoia or blind dismissal.
We need to use discernment. We acknowledge the reality of
corruption in human institutions, including religious ones. We remember that
no pope, no noble family, no banker nor politician is
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beyond the reach of sin. And we also remember number
one that Jesus Christ is king. Psalm two tells us
that nations rage, rulers conspire, but the Lord sits in
the heavens and he laughs. He laughs at the schemes
and then nothing compared to his sovereignty. Daniel two twenty
(01:02:44):
one reminds us that He changes times and seasons. He
removes kings, he sets up kings. He gives wisdom to
the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. So
no black nobility can dethrone Christ, no gray pope can
undermine the sovereignty of the true King of kings. So
(01:03:05):
what the stories of the black nobility and the gray
Pope showers is the futility of seeking salvation through earthly power.
These families built legacies of secrecy and influence, but not
one of them could save a single soul. Only Christ
can do that. At the Cross, Jesus defeated the true enemy,
(01:03:26):
not just corrupt men, but the powers of sin and
death themselves. He disarmed the rulers and the authorities, putting
them to open shame by triumphing over them. And the
Gospel reminds us that while men grasp for powered in
the shadows, that the light of Christ exposes all things
John one five. The light shines in the darkness, and
(01:03:48):
the darkness has not overcome it, or it's not comprehended it.
So as we close this episode, out the hidden histories
of the Black nobility and the whispers of the Gray Porte.
We need to remember this. The world is full of shadows. Yes,
history shows us rulers who plot in secret, men who
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love power more than truth. But as Christians, we are
not to fear these kind of people. We are not
to be people who fear. We have got to be
people of faith because no matter how dark the schemes
of men may be, the light of Christ is greater.
We don't need a hidden pope or noble bloodlines or
(01:04:31):
financial empires. We have a king, the Risen Christ, whose
kingdom cannot be shaken. And so while the stories of
hi and rulers may fascinate and even disturbos, they should
also drive us back to the scriptures, to the sovereignty
of God, and to the Gospel of Grace. The truth
throne is not in Rome, it's in Heaven, and the
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true ruler is not hidden. He's revealed himself in Jesus Christ,
Lord of Life and King of Kings. So that's it
for me for another episode. Guys, I would encourage you,
as usual, do your own research. Do your own research
on the Black nobility, city of London, Gray Pope, Black, Pope,
research all these things. I can't go into massive amounts
(01:05:17):
of detail on a podcast that's just.
Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Over an hour long.
Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
There is so much information out there, so I encourage
you please go away and do your own research. Hopefully
this has been interesting for you, and God willing, I'll
be back next week with another topic. I'm Paul, and
this is beyond the paradigm.
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
My crazy. We don't use that word in here.
Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
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