Ep 123: Exposing the Technocracy & Digital I.D Gulag with Iain Davis

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about today going to be looking at digital ID or
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into this episode. So my guest today is author and
researcher Ian Davis. Ian is from the UK like myself,

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and he has wrote a number of books, including The
Manchester Attack, which is an investigation. It's an independent investigation
into the attacks from twenty seventeen and the Manchester are
in a bombit.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
He's also wrote a book called Pseudo.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Pandemic and the Dangerous Ideology, and he has a new
book coming out, The Technocratic Dark State. And what I
would say is Ian does know his stuff and he
does a lot of research, and what we're going to
talk about today, I can assure you Ian knows what
he's talking about and the information that he's going to

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give is absolutely vital on digital ID and on the
control grid that is being set up around us. So
without further ado, I'm now going to go and bring
Ian onto the show. So it's always a real pleasure
to welcome a guest for the first time. And as
I always say to my listeners, I do get people
on the here that have done research, and a lot

(06:44):
of my guests of authored books, and you've vote fored
a number of books and done a lot of research.
So Ian Davis, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Oh, thanks very much, Paul. It's a pleasure to be
here for the first time. I hope it's not the last.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
No.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
I mean, you definitely have a lot of information and
the topic we're going to be talking about today. Like
I said, I've read one of your articles just before
we were speaking, and I've listened to a couple of
podcasts you do, and your information is absolutely vital what
we're going to be talking about today. Obviously we're going
to be looking at sort of digital ID and everything

(07:20):
surrounding that.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Because obviously over here in the UK we've had the.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
Little uh totalitarian dictated a man with no testoterone Kea
Stormers basically threatening us all saying if we don't get
this digital ID, we won't be.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Able to work, basically won't be able to do anything.
But just before we sort.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Of get into that. Just tell people a little bit
about yourself. So you've been on here now this is
the first time. Obviously I've told people your author books.
But tell us just a little bit about yourself, how
you got into doing what you're actually doing now.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, yeah, I'm an independent of and journalist, and my
working career for about twenty five plus years, I worked
in health and social care, primarily working with a client
group that's what they call a dual diagnosis client groups.
So these are clients with problematic substance misuse and the

(08:18):
crossover with mental health needs. So these are sometimes called
hard to reach client groups. So I was working with
people in that mainly in that sometimes in mental health,
and in both the public and the private sector, so
I've got a good view of that that kind of thing.

(08:41):
I started writing my blog out of purely out of
personal interest. I'm going to say in I always forget this,
and I never checked back, but I think it was
about twenty twenty fourteen or something like that, or maybe
a bit early, I can't remember. And then I got
made redundant again, which is a common feature of working

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especially in the private sector, because it's you. It's all
based on contracts and contract renewal. So if you don't,
if the service you're running doesn't get a new contract,
you're out of work. So that happens quite a lot.
And I got made redundant again, and I thought, well,
I've got a little bit of redundancy money. So I thought, well,

(09:27):
I've got enough to last me about six months, so
I'll give it a go and see if I can
make a go of writing full time. I've always I've
always been interested in writing and research, but purely as
a hobby. But I mean, I've done it. I've done
it all my life, really, and then I thought I'll

(09:48):
give it a go. And I was fortunate that I
got picked up by a couple of outlets that started
sharing my work and that enabled me, you know, to
to to give up the day job, as it were,
and and do this full time. So I'll count myself
very fortunate to be able to do this.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yeah, what I would say to my audience is Ian
has definitely done a lot of research, and he's wrote
a number of books on a variety of topics. But
the topic we're going to be talking about today, you
might think to yourselves, well, I don't live in the UK.
I can assure you that this is going to affect
everybody what we're going to be talking about today. So

(10:28):
first of all, what I want you to do in
is tell us what the brick card is because this
is the So we've been talking about Digital I D.
You know, Keir Starmer said we've got to have this
digital ID and it's been nicknamed the brick got the
brick card.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
So what is the brick card? What? What?

Speaker 5 (10:45):
What is it proposing? You know what what are they
proposing that this thing's for? And you've also what I
want you to do is, because I've been reading the article,
you've described it as a bait and switch sy op.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, so the brick card is a is an app
that's supposedly going to be mandatory, which means that it's
an app on a smartphone app so presumably smartphones will
be mandatory. And it's the it's been presented as Digital
I D. So, so the government when it made the
announcement and this came from Labor Labor First think tank,

(11:22):
I can't remember the name of the think tank. Now
they propose this idea of a single app on a phone,
which the government has presented to the public as if
that is digital ID, that is not digital ID. So
the from the start the concept is false. What they're
what they're calling digital ID is not digital ID if

(11:46):
brick card existed, which it doesn't, because you know, the
government has put very little, comparatively little time and effort
and research into into brick card. It hasn't even gone
out for public or mark consultation yet, so it doesn't
exist really in any meaningful sense other than an idea
coming out of a Labor Party think tank. So it's

(12:09):
not even a thing really. But if it did exist,
you might call it a digital ID product. I it
is a product that has components of digital ID related
to it. But digital ID is an interoperable network of
what the World Bank called vendor agnostic digital ID products.

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So for example, your driving license could be one digital
ID product, your bank card another. If you add brick card,
if that existed, that would be another. Now, the problem
is that all of these that doesn't create digital ID
because each one of these products has its own relevant

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database and its own relevant data restored on it. So
for example, the DVLA stores all the data from your
driving license, and your private bank has all the data
related to your bank card. But these these are separate,
separate systems. They're not. They don't they don't talk to
one another. Now, the law enforcement and and you know,

(13:18):
the intelligence agency specifically g HQ, if they're investigating someone,
of course they can put all this data together and
make a facsimile of your life and your activity. But
the whole, the whole point of digital ID is to
render all these different what they call disparate data sources

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together so that they mesh together into one interoperable system.
UH and the government, the UK government at the moment,
it's partners with the American technology giant Palenteer. Palenteer runs
some software called Gotham. The government has bought Gotham. What
often can do is it can take data from any system,

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So it can take data from the DVLA system, and
it can take data from your private banking system, and
it can convert that data into what it calls an
exchangeable machine readable format, so it standardizes the data from
both can join them together and this creates a unified

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record which can then be searched. Now, if you think
that that can be done for every individual in the country,
let's just stick with the UK so that that can
be done with every individual in the country. What that
what you end up with is what some people might
refer to as a data lake, just this enormous soup

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of data sitting on probably on some sort of distributed
ledger technology ledger like blockchain. And you know that's not work,
that doesn't mean anything. You've got this, got that, then
you've you've got drawn data from every app, from every
part of everybody's life, put it on this big unit,
this unified ledger and what's so what what uses that

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to anybody? Well, that's where digital ID is key. This
is why it's it's key to the system that the
government that actually rolling out, not the one that they've
told everybody that they're rolling out, which is brick card,
which is a complete distraction. They've already got this. I'd
also say, they've already got this infrastructure set up, They've
already got Gotham, They're already onboarding people to submit their

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biometric data. Now this is the key. So you you
you submit your facial recognition image, your fingerprints, your irises, whatever,
something that physically identifies who you are in the real world.
So it's tied to your actual real identity, and this
enables AI can then use that as a total that

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can be tokenized, so that becomes a digital representing you,
and that can then be matched to all the corresponding
data that exists within the unified ledger in real time.
AI can do that. So that means that this vast
soup of data, this big data lake, which would otherwise

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be meaningless, you can then use it as a surveillance
and control system because you can in real time, you
can draw out all of the data that is specifically
related to an individual, so everything. So so you know,
if you imagine you're caught on facial recognition camera getting

(16:39):
on a train, that can be linked to the purchases
that you've made on the way to the station, which
can can be can be instantly linked to all the
data that's been harvested from your social media use and
that's all. That's all enabled. Your individual data stream is
enabled because you've submitted your biometric data to your digital ID.

(17:02):
That is digital ID. It's an interoperable network. It's not
what the bank, it's not what the government have presented
it as this single app. You know, that's that's a
total distraction.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
I mean as soon as like it was announced and
the way it was announced, I was suspicious straight away,
you know, I mean he's basically threatening us. I mean
people are going to rise up against that anyway. You know,
as soon as you start saying you can't do ABC
for me, that's enough. But like you know, there's been

(17:44):
obviously the protest in London. There some more organized protests.
So there's a lot of people on this bandwagon now
know to digital ID and I've signed up to a
couple of groups just to monitor them on Facebook. And
you know, there's all kinds of people that really worried
about it. Yet the like like you say, we've probably
submitted so much biometric data, you know, with all passport

(18:06):
or whatever, and like you've talked about the infrastructure sort
of being built all around us. I mean, just simple
little things like I've said to people, you know, when
you go to the supermarket and you can't just walk
in now there's the little barriers they open as you
walk to them. But I've said to people like, what
do you think therefore, Oh, well, it's just about shotlifting

(18:28):
making it look more difficult. Yeah, at the moment it
might be, but then you've got all these cameras and
then you've got the self checkouts where it's all got
a camera and it's all it's all data. I mean,
you can you can obviously get any footage of you
at the self checkouts, but the problem is you've got
to do a subject access request and you've got to

(18:49):
prove who you are.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, so so.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Again you've got to provide you know, more more data
so that the infrastructure, like you've been saying, it's being
built all owned us right now. And I can totally
see this blick card being the distraction. Everyone's focused on this,
They're going to the protest, They're not going to do this,
that and the other, and then all you know, behind
the scenes things are being brought in because obviously you

(19:15):
know it's being pitched as a solution to a legal migration.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
I mean, what's your opinion on that. Why do you
think they've used that?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, for a start, you know, if you look at
how immigration has been managed, quite obviously the problems, many
of the problems that we've got with immigration in the
country at the moment have been engineered. Yeah, I mean,
we live on an island, so there's a big stretch
of water between US and the rest of the world.

(19:47):
It's a very easy to police that. It's you know,
in terms of we have we have geographical advantages over
other countries. Not so easy in France and Germany, but
pretty easy in the the UK because we've got a
mote around us. So so you know, with I think

(20:08):
that the problem with immigration, and I think the immigration
issue has also been very much overplayed. And you know,
the situation at the moment is that the cost of
a legal immigration is outweighing the value, the commercial value

(20:29):
and the economic value of legal migration. So that's a
problem economically and that's been allowed to happen. And also
the other problem is that the communities where first settling,
first generation immigrants from non EU immigrants are sent to live,

(20:49):
which they're sent you know, eventually settled by the government,
they're sent there are the communities that are already the
most deprived economic in Britain. So you're adding numbers to
economically deprived parts of the country, but you're not adding
additional jobs that improve transport infrastructure, you know, greater access

(21:16):
to medical services. Quite the opposite. All of those things
are deteriorating at the same time that you're increasing the
population with with people that are from a different culture
into into communities that are not geared up to be
able to cope with that to such and such a
massive extent, and that causes resentment, and that causes understandably

(21:39):
causes concern. Then you get people like kar Starmer who
come along and says anybody that even expresses any concerns
about immigration is far right mh to anger the people.
I mean, why would you say say that other the
other than to make people angry, So you make people
even more angry. And then you and Behold, you come

(22:01):
up with this thing called brick Card, which you claim
is designed to tackle immigration, which was an absurd statement
to say in the first place, because obviously people that
come here illegally are undocumented, and the people that are
trafficking them make money out of trafficking them because it

(22:25):
is illegal, So they're not coming here with any expectation
of getting any legal documentation such as a national and
insurance number, which we all need in the UK if
we're going to work for an employer or indeed start
a small business or something like that, so we all
need that legally. Is that legally entitles us to live

(22:47):
and work, to work and earn money from our own
our own our own labor in the UK, which illegal
migrants can't get that. They can apply for asylum and
pie apply from refugee status and then they can get one,
but they have to go through an application process. So
the idea that whether it's a digital national insurance number

(23:11):
or a or a brick card or whatever it is,
is going to stop illegal migration or deter illegal migration
is ridiculous because by definition, people come here knowing that
it is illegal, and they're not going to get any
documentation anyway, So it doesn't really matter what you call it.

(23:32):
You could, you know, it doesn't make any difference. So
that's a non starter as an argument. And I think
people realize that pretty quickly straight away, which is why
we get the petition of so many people sign supposedly
so many people sign in this petition, millions of people,
which is a large number for an online government petition,

(23:55):
which the government then just ignores completely. So as well,
we don't care what you think, we're planning with it anyway.
And I think the reason personally, what I think the
reason is is because what they're trying to do is
fundament first and foremost, is to misrepresent what digital IDA is,
so that everybody will be protesting against the wrong thing.

(24:16):
They'll be protesting against brick card thinking that is digital
ID and it isn't. It also puts it into the
political realm as if digital ID is a project of
the government and it isn't. Digital ID is a global
policy agenda that has been set by the United Nations

(24:37):
as Sustainable Development Goal sixteen point nine. That's that's where
digital ID comes from. It's got nothing to do with
the government. The government is just doing what it's told.
It's just rolling out the agenda that it has been
told to roll out. So that's again. But what they've
done with the brick card thing is couch everything. In

(24:57):
terms of politics, people might think, well, you know, if
I elect another party, possibly Reform or someone like that,
then they come in and they're not going to have
brick card. You know, that's how I can stand up
against digital ID. But that won't make any difference because
that it's not that's not digital ID. This infrastructure has

(25:19):
been built around us already, so it's a very I mean,
it's not even a particularly clever sit up. I wouldn't
say it's a quite transparent one, but obviously it's only
transparent if you recognize it. If you don't recognize it,
you know, then it isn't transparent. And what way. One

(25:39):
thing that I noticed straight away with the people that
are protesting against it is that a lot of the
impetus for that was coming from across a cross party
body of MPs saying, you know, we we're protesting against
digital ID, but what they're protesting against and what they're
refusing to accept people like David Davis is and Rupert

(26:02):
low Is brick card so that but that's not digital
r D. That isn't digital ID. So you know, I
think there's a lot of manipulation going on here.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
No one hundred percent agree with you. As soon as
it's in the amount.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Of people against it, it felt like it was organized
from from somewhere more centralized. And it's a bit sinister
because people like to think the critical thinkers, but they're not.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I mean just from knowing where I work.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
I never talk about where I work, but you can
sit in the mess room at work and you listen
to people, and you know why it's so easy to
dupe people because the vast majority of people they just
believe what is on the television and that's it.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
And if you say anything else outside.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Of that, you're you're the crank, You're the conspiracy theorist.
And these are the people who were driving around with
masks on during COVID, when they were sat in the
car all along, you know, which is still beyond me
why I still see people doing it to this day. No,
how do you see sort of digital ID link because

(27:12):
I've mentioned sort of you know, cameras and things like that,
So how do you see digital ID linking with wider
surveillance technologies sort of like AI the one government one
log in and programmable currencies.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, so the one log in, which they're obviously trying
to force company directors to use at the moment, is
how I you know, it's without it's difficult to know
precisely quite quite why they're going about it the way
they are going about it, but it seems to me
that they need some additional biometric data. So the biometric

(27:49):
data that we've got on our driving licenses, because our
driving licenses are biometrics, so that image of your faces
machine readable, that if you've got one that's been issued
in last ten years or so. So that's a machine.
It's got a machine readable zone on it. It is
a form of it's a digital ID product, but it

(28:10):
isn't digital ID itself. But they obviously require more biometric
data to kickstart this digital ID system, and they're trying
to harvest that by making one logging the only route
to government services, which they are planning that by twenty
twenty seven December twenty twenty seven, one log in will

(28:31):
be the only route to government services, which means that
everybody will have to use it, won't they I mean,
we'll let everybody will have to use it because you'll
have to use it for tax return Well, this is
the way they're saying. At the moment, everybody will have
to use it for things like tax returns and you know,
even accessing things like At the moment, I think there

(28:52):
are forty seven government services that are linked through one
log in, including things like replacing your driving license and
reporting a lost or stolen passport. So by hook or
by crook, you'll have to that. They're saying that everyone
will have to be funneled through this one logging system,
and that means you will have to submit a new

(29:14):
new biometric data, probably a facial recognition image. So that
so they obviously require this additional new this new biometric
data to to to create what is called your digital twin,
which will be a tokenized version, a digital tokenized version
of you, which unlocks the unified via interp interoperability, enables

(29:40):
in real time everything to be known about you all
at once. So if that and that includes updating constantly
updating what they call your risk signals. So if you're
posting something on social media that is noticed to be
or not liked, that updates your risks risk signal. So

(30:00):
next time someone checks you on the on the system
because you said, you know, Keir Starmer is an idiot
on on social media, that has some impact on your
risk signal. So that then, I mean it's quite obvious
that they're also going to roll once they've onboarded us,
once they've got us into this digital ID system, they're

(30:23):
definitely going to roll out digital currency. I would have
say pretty quickly thereafter. I mean, if they're saying they
want everybody on digital ID by December twenty seven, then
I would have think in twenty eight twenty nine leading
up to twenty thirty, which is obviously a pivotal point
for the agenda, then we'll start they'll start rolling out
the digital currencies in earnest So just as the government

(30:48):
announced brickcard at the same time, which wasn't reported anywhere
other than in the financial and the crypto press, the
about three hundred UK financial institutions, including all the major
banks like Barclays and that West and Santander and all,
and with a lot of support and assistance from the

(31:10):
Bank of England, they started trialing a British national system
of what they call tokenized deposits or deposit tokens. So
this is a digital representation of the money that's in
your deposit account, in your bank account, and it's a
one to one representation, so it is a digital version
of the money in your account. And it's just another

(31:33):
model of programmable digital currency. So programmable digital currency can
be the function for which it can be used, can
be programmed using things like smart contracts, which can be
attached to the currents to every transaction. So if you
think you're going back to our example of you saying

(31:54):
something that the government doesn't like on social media, at
the moment, what the government would need to do, it's
probably or that all law enforcement would need to do,
or whoever might be involved in adjudicating anything that they
think you've done wrong. There's a legal process to go through,
and you may or you may not, or you might
get kicked off social media or whatever. The social media

(32:17):
company will do that kind of thing, which is a
bit of a convoluted process from their perspective, it's total
suppression of freedom of speech from ours. But we're just
talking about the process here. In a digital age, with
digital ID linked to a digital currency in your digital wallet,

(32:39):
your money can just be programmed to either reward or
punish you for what you know. They might call your misdeeds.
So you might find that you've said you know something
untoward about or they might decide that you've said something
underwarned about a politician on social media, and then suddenly,
you Paul, with your digital ID, will find it impossible

(33:01):
to pay for video hosting, or to pay for or
to pay for web hosting. So you're they've decided that
your voice should not be heard, but that that can
be addudicated, not by a court process, not by any
kind of judicial process, not even by a human being,
but by AI because AI can be programmed to respond

(33:26):
to your risk signal as it as it changes with
your activity. So AI can do that. So that is
entirely possible, and that's the system that they're trying to
trying to introduce globally, not just in the UK. So
I think this is key. It is your digital ID
enables you to be surveiled, tracked and monitored in real

(33:48):
time on very large scale distributed ledger technology unified databases,
which isolates your data stream, which is then connected to
this is the plan will then be connected to your
digital wallet which will contain your digital currency, and your
digital currency can be programmed so as your risk signal changes,

(34:12):
AI will make a decision about what you are allowed
to do or not to do. So you know, there's
so much that you know. They can restrict where you
spend your digital currency, so you could be what they
call geo fence. You could be geo fence to a
location so you live in, say you live in Leads

(34:34):
or whatever. You can't your money won't work outside of Leads,
So where you're going to go other than Leads, you
have to stay in Leads they could set the duration
of the money so that the money, the money that
is paid into your wallet wallet has a life limit,
so say thirty days, so you've got thirty days to
spend that money. So they could control all saving, they

(34:57):
could eliminate saving, and they can. That gives them this
exquisite control system which they can they can use. And
this is the thing that I think people really need
to get their head around. This doesn't even require policy,
it doesn't require legislation. This is an automated system controlled

(35:19):
by AI that will be able to control nearly every
aspect of your life as an individual. You, as an individual,
you can be isolated in the data stream automatically by AI,
and your life can be programmed and controlled through money,
your access to money, because you know, without I mean,

(35:41):
let's be honest, without money, we can't do anything, can we.
So so that's that's the system that they're trying to implement.
That's the system that they're trying to put in and
that's being done at a global level. It's a UN
it's a UN Sustainable Development Goal agenda. It's not a
government policy. Obviously, governments are then tasked with implementing it.

(36:04):
But it's not that they, you know, the British government,
it's not it's not pushed for digital ID because the
British government thinks it's you know, you know, obviously governments
are on board with it, but but it's it's not
there that it's not their idea. It's a global governance
policy agenda.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, I mean you've mentioned Sustainable Development Goals and particularly
sixteen knowing, which is basically to provide illegal identities in
it for all, including birth registration by twenty thirty. So, oh,
do you see the roll out here connecting to these
international agendas such as the Sustainable Development Goals.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well, sustainable development is setting up the infrastructure that would
enable something called technocracy technocracy to work. So technocracy is
an idea that emerged in the nineteen thirties in the US,
and the idea was that you would be able to
control people's behavior by having centralized control over the distribution

(37:43):
of an allocation of all resources. So the energy you use,
the fuel you use, the food you buy, the water
you drink, everything would be centrally controlled by this central
committee that would be able to control everything that you
do through that. Now, in the nineteen thirties. They were
envisaging a sort of paper based bureaucracy being able to

(38:08):
do this, which was totally imploy, impractical, and unfeasible at
the time. You know the scale of the you know,
nearly everybody in society would have to work in the
bureaucracy to manage themselves, if you see what I mean.
It was a ridiculous idea, but they were very aware,

(38:29):
hyper aware of the development of technology. People like Howard
Scott and that were leading the technocracy inc. That set
this idea up, and they knew that as technology developed,
the idea that they were proposing would become increasingly more feasible.

(38:49):
And now we are at the stage where it's entirely feasible.
It's you know, they spoke about this notion of managing
people using what they were calling energy certificate certificates. So
this is a fundamental reimagining of the monetary system. Instead
of dollars, because it was based in the US. So
instead of instead of dollars, you would have that were

(39:12):
that were backed by some sort of reserve asset, whatever
that might be, or the rule of law, you would
have energy certificate which would measure your function in terms
of your energy output measured in duels, so you would
be allocated a certain amount of energy certificates which you

(39:33):
could then only spend as dictated by Continental Control, which
would be the top body that would control everything, and
they would say where you could spend it in the economy,
so what things you could buy, what things were available
to you in the economy using your energy certificates. Well again,

(39:54):
so at the time, they're suggesting that this monetary reform
was possible using paper, some sort paper based actual physical
energy certificate checks with your name on it in a
which which wasn't feasible, but it is today programmable digital
money could be used for precisely that. So if we

(40:16):
think about the government's twenty thirty five commitment to get
rid of all diesel vehicles no more, No new diesel
vehicles will be manufactured or imported after twenty thirty five,
says the government. So it has to go through a
whole you know, policy discussions. There are loads of research papers,

(40:36):
there are arguments about it, there are you know, before
the policy is introduced, and it's not even clear that
the policy will go ahead, there's still time to challenge,
you know, and all this kind of thing in a
digital currency world, linked to your digital ID, there will
be no need for any of that policy debate. There
won't even be need for a policy. There will just

(40:57):
be need for a corporation or you know that maybe
at the global governance level, for the major oil producers
to get together and say, right, we're going to ration
fuel because it's good for us, but we're going to
ration fuel, and you won't be able to buy diesel
with your money. So you will go to you might
have the money in your bank account, you go to

(41:18):
buy diesel, but your money won't function for that because
it's been programmed to disable your ability to buy diesel.
So this is a this is a level of control
over our behavior, the things that we do, by not
even by faceless bureaucrats, but by a technological AI control system.

(41:43):
That is what That is what they are trying to create.
That is what they are well, they're not trying to
create it, they are creating it. The Bank for International Settlements,
which is the central bank for central banks, has already
done so much research on developing what it calls this
interoperable cross border payment system based on the idea of

(42:05):
a unified ledger of this one single ledger overseeing. I mean,
it won't be one ledger. It will be probably you know,
like nodes on a network, lots of unified ledgers, which
kind of you know, a bit like you know, Lord
of the Rings or whatever, you know, nine rings and
one ring to rule them all. This this kind of idea.
But the, but the, but the they're already developing that system.

(42:29):
They are rolling it out. They've done all the research,
they've done all the you know, they've done all the
all the they're what they call their innovation hubs. So
so for example, there's the Hong Kong Innovation Hub that
that you know, well, you know, a lot of Chinese
government has been involved in those kind of interoperable cross
border payment systems, the UK Innovation Hub, the Washington Innovation

(42:53):
Hub that you know that, They're all over the world
and they are developing this this these systems. So it's
not if I know one thing you said earlier about
you know that I've done a lot of research. One
of the things I would point out to everybody, everybody
is that nothing that I write about is not being

(43:13):
published in the public domain. These organizations like the United Nations,
the Bank for International Settlements, the Bank of England, all
the commercial banks. They're not hiding. This is not hidden.
They've published full books and research documents about this stuff.

(43:34):
The reason people think it's hidden purely by virtue of
the fact that the media doesn't report it. So because
the media doesn't report it, when you you were using
the analogy of you know, being in your work canteen
or whatever, you start talking about it and people think
you're crazy because it's not been reported to them. But

(43:59):
what we are told is pretty much just it's either
this misinformation as by exclusion I doesn't tell us what's
actually going on, or it's propaganda mainly.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
See, this is one of the things about media which
I say to people, you know, they don't just tell lies,
they're just some well a lot of the time they're
not telling us the relevant information, which is far more dangerous.
So you can have some stories that are relatively unimportant

(44:34):
as a distraction and the report on that. You know,
there was something my wife had the TV on this
morning before going to work and there was interviewing two
guys in a pub in Earmston, near Manchester, and the
report was all to do with someone had been cheating
at the pub quiz and they've been using smart watches

(44:56):
to get the answer. So the reporting things like that,
but nothing that actually matters and is relevant to us.
So it's not usually with the media, it's not always
what they're saying. It's what they're not saying. That's that's
more telling. What are they not reporting on? And like,
you know, I say that obviously I've said you've done
your research. That's you've gone away and found the information.

(45:20):
And that's what I say to people. Do your own research.
And like when I'm having conversations with people, they're saying, well,
you know, well is it not on the news, Well,
it's not on the news because it's relevant. That's why
the news is there to misinform you, to distract you.
It's not there to inform you. If you want to
know what's going on, you've got to go away and
find the information for yourself. Or you know, listen to

(45:43):
a podcast like this with a guy like you who's
done the research, find people who have actually gone out
there and done the research, and then listen to what
they say and then they can cross reference it. But people,
you know, they just don't do it. They're lazy and obviously.
I think that's what the governor's counting on now with
regard to this debate over a brick card, because they've

(46:05):
announced now they've done this, you know, on the government
website where they've done the petition, there's like over three
million people, and then their initial response is we're going
to roll it out. But because they've received over one
hundred thousand, there's going to be a debate now I've
seen that. So there's going to be this debate, which
is I've said to my wife and said, it's not

(46:25):
even going to be a real debate because it's already
decided what's going to happen. Because governments, and I've said
this a lot on here, they're only administrators.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
They're not the ones in control.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Keth Stormers just an administrator, that's all he is. They're
told you've got to do this, and then they go
away and think, oh, well, are we going to bring
this in? But it's not their idea. So they're going
to have this debate now with regard to digital ID.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Do you think that.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
They're going to mislead the pub locking to believe in
that we've defeated it.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yes, yeah, I think that's the idea. I think that's
what the the brick card things about. I mean, and
people will find that what the the that Starmer's government
would deliberately put something out that's that's contrary to their
own interests. Why would they do that? Yeah, yes, Starmer's
government would absolutely do that, because you know, these people

(47:25):
are representative of not of the people. I mean Kiir Starmer,
he's a All the evidence suggests that Kir Starmer is
still a serving member of a globalist think tank called
the Trilateral Commission. He's you know, he hasn't resigned from
the Trilateral Commission. He's still in the Trilateral Commission, although

(47:46):
he's called what's he called a non serving member in
public service, which is just a just a temporary a
temporary moniker that they give to somebody that's they don't
really want to openly discuss about their active service. Now, now,

(48:08):
is he as high up in the Trilateral Mission, Trilateral
Commission hierarchy as Larry Fink, the CEO of Blackrock, No, No,
he's not. Larry Fink probably outranks him, I would have thought,
in the Trilateral Commission. So Larry Fink and Keir Starmer

(48:28):
have been deciding how they're going to invest twenty billion
pounds in so called special economic zones freedom ports in
the UK. And that's r and Larry Fink, and how
Larry Fink from Blackrock is going to guide investment strategies

(48:50):
for the government in the UK. So this is an
American global investment firm headed by a guy who's got
his fingers in pretty much every globalist pie, Larry Fink
with executive board, all this kind of stuff making decisions

(49:10):
about government spending in the UK. It doesn't matter who
you vote for. You can vote for another government if
you want, another political party to lead if you you know,
to lead the government if you want, and then that
won't make any difference to the policy trajectory. That won't
won't make any difference at all. I mean, one of

(49:31):
the things that amazes me is that we've just come
out of the period of COVID. Wherefore two years, you know,
twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty one, nearly two years, everybody
seemed to understand that there was a global policy response.
Every country around the world had a coordinated policy response

(49:55):
to one thing. So they all did furlough or version
verse versions of furlough. They all had lockdowns, they ought
to vary varying degrees. They all had the same the
same policies simultaneously in one you know, in the world,

(50:18):
and everybody seemed to kind of for a moment, I felt, oh, well,
this is in one sense, if there's one good thing
about this, it is that people will start to realize
that there is a coordinating, let policy layer that exists
above government, because quite evidently that policy response couldn't have
been as as uniform globally as it was unless it

(50:43):
was globally coordinated. That has to be globally coordinated. No
sooner as have we passed out of the COVID era
and people just immediately go back to party politics, as
if electing their government. You know, if electing the Tories

(51:03):
instead of the Labor would have made any difference at
all to whether or not you were locked down, it
just wouldn't have made it just immaterial, completely irrelevant. So
digital ID is the same digital ID. In fact, there's
there's so much that happened during COVID that now in retrospect,

(51:24):
you know, I look back at now and say, well,
this was preparedness for digital ID. Obviously, preparedness, getting us
used to performing like monkeys at the drop of a hat.
When someone says, oh, well, you can't go out today,
you can't go Oh well, all right, then I can't
go out today. You know, I can't meet people in
a social setting, I can't go to this place, I

(51:45):
can't go to that place by by dictat of somebody
who claimed to have authority over your life. Now that
seemed to be preparing us for this this you know,
it's it's it's almost like kind of like of Lovian
or classical conditioning. It's it's it's getting you used to
the idea of of you know, the bell rings and

(52:07):
you perform, and that's and that is with with the
digital ID system that they're setting up, that will be
the same, but also it will be enforceable because you know,
for example, you wouldn't have to lock somebody down in
their house if you know by going out you can

(52:32):
you can punish them by cutting off their water supply
because you've seen them on facial recognition, and there's no
point of going out anyway, because their money won't work
anywhere outside of their you know, their street. So so
you know, that's the kind of level of control the
system that they are building would enable them to exercise.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
I mean for me, what I would say to people
is there's actually no points complying in this sense, because
if you comply, it might be okay for a while
for you, but sooner or later the restrictions are coming.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
So get used to the.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Idea that our lives as they are now are going
to radically change. I think we need to settle on that, so,
you know, and I haven't got, you know, the answers
as to what.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Practically what to do. But my first.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Thing is, you know, mentally prepare yourself. And I've said
it's one of guys at work who's actually quite switched on.
I said, you know, one of the things that has
changed for me straight away is I'm no longer traveling
to the EU anymore since they've brought in this entry
exit system. So I said to my wife, I mean, fortunately,
we're going to US next year. We plan to go US,

(53:56):
it said, but eventually we won't be going anywhere.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
I said, So.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
You know, we've got all these countries now in EU
we're not going to go to. Not particularly that bothered.
I think the only one I was bothered about was
no way, even though it's not in EU, have been
there a couple of times. They're implementing the entry exit
scheme because obviously this is all part of the system
that they're building. It's like you said, you know, we've
got machine readable passports, why do we need this entry

(54:25):
exit system. Well, they need it because, like you were saying,
they need more biometric data. And I believe that people
who've been traveling to EU recently, I've seen a number
of post where they've said they've sort of it's not
been forced upon them. There has been people who's got
in and not done it because it's not fully implemented yet.

(54:46):
So for anyone wanting to travel, apparently up until April
it's a little bit lacks. Apparently the people at the
border are just sort of shrugging the shoulders. They've people
said things like, oh, it's against me religion, and they've
just sort of shrugged the shoulders. There's people apparently on
the screen you can sort of tell them you don't
want to do it something, and they've just gone through

(55:06):
as well. But eventually it's gonna be mandatory to travel
to these countries, and then eventually it's going to be
probably mandatory to travel anywhere. I mean, if this digital
ID it comes in tomorrow, right, Ian, what would you
say would be the first noticeable change to the daily

(55:26):
lives of ordinary citizens like me and you?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Well, I think it's like anything, they'll they'll the hammer
will fall slowly mm hm. So so initially I would
think there'll probably be some advantages. It will be it
will be sold with some rewards. You know, you can
be I mean, they're already doing that at airports, aren't they.
If you use digital RD you can be fast tracked
through the airport. It'll it takes you longer to go.

(55:51):
So so there'll be incentives to have it, and they'll
be disincentives not to have it. So that's the way
it will That's the way it will start to encourage uptake.
But if you know, if they for things like if
they introduced what the government is proposing, which isn't brick card,

(56:13):
it's one login attached to your gov dot UK wallet.
That's the that's the basis, that's their entry system into
their digital I D world. So one of the things
you might notice straight away is if you apply for
you know something, or if you did lose your passport.
Let's say you lost your passport and you needed to
report it stolen, which means that your I D could

(56:34):
have been stolen, by the way, because that's a digital
ID product. If you report, you won't be able to
do that unless you've got digital i D. If they
managed to proceed with the system that they're that they're
rolling out, so you would be rather stuck. How how
would you report the fact that somebody else is going
around using your I D? Potentially you won't be able

(56:57):
to I think, I think one of the things that
were and as that system gets more and more and
more pervasive and more intrusive into our lives, we will
find that there are many many things we can't do.
I mean we you know, for example, you know you
might not be able to use your card to buy

(57:18):
certain products. Pretty quickly, I would imagine that will happen.
We've already started seeing, haven't we on packaging the carbon
footprint indicator. So you could well have a carbon credit
allowance where you're allowed to have so much credit and
you might find that, you know, oh no, you can

(57:38):
only buy one stake, you can't buy two because you're
over your carbon credit allowance. These kind of things will
be gradually, step by step they'll be they'll be introduced.
But what they need now initially is to get us
to cross that rubicon. They need they need us to
submit our one log in details and a biometric ID.

(58:00):
So I think, I think rather than seeing too many
punitive measures to start with, we'll get the opposite. So
you you know, if you go into a supermarket at
the moment and you've got you look at the you've
got the price of the product, and then you've got
the store card price which is fifteen lower or whatever.

(58:22):
So that is that is getting us used to the
idea of two prices. You know, there's there's this one,
there's this one price without a store card or the
price with a store card. You know, and think about
what those things are. Those are the staples. Those are
the things that we need, not the things that we choose.
Well there are them as well, but it's on the

(58:43):
things that we need, like food. So so I think
that's how they'll roll it out to start with. It
will be like this. This is the this is the
fiat currency price, I what we call cash. This is
the fiat currency price. Here is the digital currency price
so people will be able. They'll they'll do that to

(59:05):
incentifive people to take it up. Because if people are
looking at and think lang on a minute, you know,
bread is twenty percent cheaper if I've got digital currency,
So why am I going to use cash or fiat currency,
you know, traditional bank cards when I could use digital
currency and get and it'll be twenty percent cheaper. That's
that's how they will That's what people will notice as

(59:26):
they roll it out.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, I mean some of that.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
So I've started to change the way I pay for things.
I use cash, so I always use cash. I can't
remember the last time I use a card. But what
I mean is so, for example, my water bill went
up and I was on a direct debit, so I
rang them up and said, and cancel them my direct debit.
I know I've got to pay the water, so I

(59:50):
said to him, you'll have to send me a payment card.
So no, I walked to my shop. I use cash. Obviously,
I've got to give them the card because they need
to know whose.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
The charent it is. But I pay cash.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
But the guy on the phone was like, well, it's
much easier if you have a director abit I went, oh,
it's easier, I said, but I'm not doing it. Yeah,
And and the same with my council tax I don't
know why they set me up for e billing because
I never asked them for it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
I was always on a paper bill.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
So I rang them and said, I want you to
stop the e billing because I was never on it anyway,
I said, send me a paper bill. Now I used
to pay that with my card online. I've stopped that.
Now I go to the post office, they scam my
letter and I just pay it cash. So so what
I would say to people is get used to some inconvenience,

(01:00:40):
because convenience isn't always the best option. People have become
so lazy and they know that they're going to use this,
like like you said, you know the two price thing.
You go to Tesco, You've got your club card price,
you've got your normal price. You can see how they're
going to say, well, this is cash price and this
is card price, or whatever, incentifizing you to use a

(01:01:02):
method of payment where you can be tracked. I mean,
if I look on my bank account, now, there's not
a lot of transactions because I use cash. There's hardly
any you know, there's sort of mortgage and the odd
other thing, but a lot of my direct debits, like
I said, I've stopped them and I pay cash, and
that's one of the things what I'd encourage, even though
they're only small changes. I'd encourage people to do that

(01:01:26):
because it's getting them used to inconvenience and there's nothing
wrong with that. Now, if digital ideas implemented, which it's
going to be, what do you think this the country
or the world will look like in ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Well, I think I don't know whether I think there's
there's a pivotal moment. If we look at Agenda twenty
thirty and the number of targets there are for twenty thirty,
twenty thirty is supposed to be the point at which
I think that they plan to have this infrastructure sort

(01:02:08):
of nailed down and so that we'll all have digital
ID and we will be well on the way to
using digital currency by twenty thirty. But then I think,
you know, if we look at if we look at COVID,
for example, I think that there were things that they
rolled out during COVID, such as JAB passports that didn't work,

(01:02:31):
didn't work as they thought they were going to work.
You know, it didn't people didn't uptake them. Things like
the NHS tracking app that people didn't use, So I
think I think they probably learned from that and were
quite surprised at the level of resistance that people had
who were willing to forego convenience and were perhaps willing

(01:02:53):
not to go and travel abroad if it meant that
they had to have a JAB to do it. You
know that these these things, I think they potentially they're
trial balloons. I think now you look, you look back
at it now and think, yeah, they're just trialing, they're
just seeing it. How compliant will we be and sure

(01:03:13):
what people will have to do is be aware of
It's not going to be possible to escape digital ID entirely,
I don't think, because for example, you know I need
a driving license. You know I can't function without one.
So that's a digital ID product and that will be

(01:03:35):
linked to other systems and I need to use it.
So you know, there's things you know people have to
travel for work, for example. You know that that you've
got the problem at the moment with company directors, some
of whom are surrendering their company directorships because they don't
want digital ID. Well that's okay. If you've you know,

(01:03:57):
you haven't got a workforce that's reliant on you. But
if you have, you know, if twenty twenty people, ten
twenty people rely on you, you're their employer, that makes
your your decision to forego your directorship. It doesn't just
affect you then, does it. It affects other people. And

(01:04:17):
it's the same with you know, like terms of things
like travel. You know, if you if you've you've taken
the decision that you're not going to go to EU
because of the digital screening and the biometric screening to
get into the EU. But you know that has an
impact on your family obviously as well, because they can't

(01:04:39):
go either or they can't go with you. You know.
So these are things that we will have to confront
and think about, and it does mean we will have
to make sacrifices, I think, you know, and what I
would suggest is that it's very important to think about
maximizing your independence in every single way possible, you know,

(01:05:01):
and that goes to everything from your independence from where
you buy your food or whether you can grow food
if you've got the opportunity, you know, how much energy
you use, whether you can introduce your own sort of
personal kind of off grid that if you can not,
and obviously you know, millions and millions and people in
the UK can't do that. You know, they are subject

(01:05:24):
to supplies, often energy supplies for example, that they don't
even control. It's a communal one to the buildings, and
there's what are they going to do about that? You know,
so it's going to be difficult. But but if we
don't comply with digital ID in sufficient numbers, and let's say,
I mean, let's take the example of brick card. They're

(01:05:45):
saying it's mandatory for working in the UK, right, and
it's a ridiculous example because brick card isn't digital ID.
We've already discussed that. But let's say that the three
million people that supposedly signed this this this petition all
decided that they weren't going to have digital ID, but
it is mandatory for employment. So what are the government

(01:06:09):
going to do? Then they're just going to double unemployment
or treble unemployment in one go because now all these
people can't work. Because that's what they're saying, that's what
they're that's what they're saying they're going to do. And
I think, I think, I think what people I mean,
obviously they're not I mean, obviously that's not going to happen, right,

(01:06:31):
So there will be some way of getting around it
if they but but they're not pursuing that route anyway.
That it's a total sign. But that is an example
of the kind of thing that we can do if if,
if millions and millions of people, and it doesn't have
to be I mean, I think the argument, isn't it
that three percent of the population can make a difference.

(01:06:52):
So if if you've got a couple or three two
three four million people who refuse to use one login,
that's four million people that the government says won't be
able to access things like the health service. Is how
long is that going to last? If people are in
what they're going to force four three four five million

(01:07:16):
people into abject health poverty and economic ruin and people
will be living on the streets. Is that what they're
going to do? Maybe? Maybe, but I don't think so.
I don't think so. I think if enough of us

(01:07:36):
resist it, they'll have to deal. They'll have to deal,
and they'll have to come up. We will be able
to say well, we're not going along with your digital
ID scheme. We're not doing it. We do not consent,
we're not having it. But you know, we're not refusing
to pay tax, we're not refusing to contribute, we're not
refusing to be law abiding citizens. But we're not going

(01:07:59):
along with this. They're gonna if enough, if that's done
in sufficient numbers, which means inconvenience, we will be cut
off from services. I wouldn't be surprised if they did
actually cut us off from services to start with. But
if there's millions of people that can't access you know,
essential government services and essential health things like the health

(01:08:22):
service because they haven't got digital ID, then that will
pretty quickly become an untenable and unstable problem for the government.
So with the power is in our hands, if we
show a bit of backbone, forego convenience and and don't

(01:08:45):
go along with it and don't adopt these digital ID products.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Growing a backbone is you know, you're spot on with that,
and that is what it's going to come down to.
It's like who's going to blink first. I remember during
obviously the plandemic, and you know they started with that.
You can't travel abroad if you don't have the vaccine,
and blah blah. And I just said to my wife, well,
we're not having it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
I mean my wife.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
My wife's never even had a vaccine in her life anyway,
Like she's never even had one as a child, so
she's completely free of all vaccines.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
And she would she'd.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Never have one anyway, probably out of fear of needles,
so she wouldn't ever be able to have one even
if she wanted to. So like we was pretty on
board with, well, we just won't travel then, like we'll
just wait. And I said to it at the time,
I said, it's only a matter of time. I said,
we'll be able to travel again. I said, we'll just
wait it out. And that's what we did, you know.

(01:10:11):
And but there were people that had the breaking points.
And some people's breaking point with this is going to
be sooner than other people's. And I've talked about that.
Were people about breaking points, like during the plandemic, you know,
I remember one guy saying to me at work, I'm
not having this job, no way, no way, And then

(01:10:31):
the next news he was having one. And I said,
and I said, to some of the well out come
he's gone and add it. And he said, oh, well
he found out he couldn't go to the pub.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
So that was it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
That was his breaking point, do you know what I mean?
So everyone's probably going to have an area where they're
going to be going to be weak. But I mean
in terms of practical steps would what would you say
to people sort of in the local communities or whatever,
what sort of practical steps do you think we can
take to resist?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Well, you need to, as I said, you need to
maximize your independence. So you need to think how that
how that's going to work. If you know, you should
maybe use waste worst case scenario? What if I can't
get into a supermarket? Where how do I live? If
I can't get into a shop? So you need to
think about, well, are they farmers' markets? Gross independent grossers

(01:11:21):
people like that? So this will be inconvenient because you'll
have to pay more for your food for a start,
you know. So, So, but is that is that preferable
to adopting digital ID? I think so because I think
you made a good point earlier where you said you

(01:11:41):
know it it will inconveniences and it will be and
people will find it difficult difficult to struggle. You know,
they'll struggle with not having it, and I agree that's
that's that's what will happen. But you know, if we
build kind of local support networks, if we if we
work together and build maybe even better communities than the

(01:12:04):
communities that we've got now using non digital means, you know,
we might even start doing things like thinking about using
a bar and you know, something like let's you know,
a bar and exchange trading system, a local exchange trading system,
something like that where you use time as a currency
or whatever. You know, these are the things we'll have

(01:12:25):
to do. Some of us will have the ability to
be more off grid than others some of so you know,
I mean some of us will be able to grow
food and others won't. So you know, people that have
got a decent sized garden might grow some spuds or
something which somebody else might come and you know, a

(01:12:45):
plumber might come round and you know, fix your leaky tap.
If you've in exchange for some spuds. I mean that
sounds pretty crazy and basic stuff. But if you haven't,
if you can't access money and you can't or government
approved or state approved money, and you can't you know,
you're you're without digital ID, then that's the kind of

(01:13:08):
thing that you know, we'll have to start thinking about. Now,
there are already, you know, groups around the UK that
are already doing that, so I mean it's probably worth
looking in your local area to see who's doing things
like let's uh, you know, or who's doing things like
bartering schemes. What about all these free free cycle places.
We'll have to start using them more. And that's no

(01:13:30):
bad thing. I mean, we why do we Why do
we have to? You know, we live in a highly
consumeris society, but we don't. It doesn't have to be.
I mean, you know, you think about the things that
you need to be happy. You need your friends, you
need your family, You need, you know, to have a
bit of a laugh with your mates every now and
again and go on holiday occasionally with your family. And

(01:13:53):
you might not be able to go to France, but
that doesn't mean you can't have a lovely time in
the breck and Beacons, you know. So so I think
I think those are the sort of choices that we'll
have to make. But eventually, and it's not going to
be quick, but probably over the next sort of generation,
or so twenty years or whatever. You know, if we

(01:14:15):
create a non digital market of sufficient scale businesses will
cater to that market. They'll supply the goods and services
we want to buy, so we don't need to be
you know, this overarching government state system to live. And
potentially what we could do, and this is the hope,

(01:14:36):
is we could build healthier, more thriving communities. You know,
we we could be healthier, we could eat healthier, we
could live healthier. We could you know, our health outcomes
could be better than than other people's, you know. So
so if we build something better and we are, we

(01:14:56):
are able to thrive, which will be very hard work,
you know. And the pick because the people that have
been enticed and lulled into accepting digital ID they might think, oh,
this is great for the first couple of years, but
within ten to fifteen years, the control grid aspect of
it will start cracking down on them, and then they

(01:15:19):
will they might do as people that perhaps took the
jabs did now are looking at well, how come all
the people that how come all the anti vaxers haven't died?
Why aren't they all dead? If this was so essential?
Why are they all okay? How does that work? Right?
So those people are definitely asking that question now, and

(01:15:43):
I guess the hope would be with digital ID that
in you know, maybe ten years, fifteen years, I don't know,
people will look at the communities that have not adopted
it that we will need to build and think, well,
hang on a minute, Well they're doing all right, you know,
they're they're not they're not starving. In fact, they all

(01:16:03):
look quite healthy and quite happy. So why do we
need all this digital control stuff? That's that's the way
to do this?

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
I think, Yeah, I mean I agree with you, like
we you know, this could force us into a position
where actually we change our lifestyles for the better and
we are healthy. I mean, I so, I'm originally used
to live in I'm from northwest of England and I
used to grow my own food and the house, the
last house that I had up there because he had

(01:16:31):
a massive garden, and I was live in North Wales
now and I haven't done it for a couple of years,
and because we're in the process of wanting to move
from here as well, so I haven't set up my
garden like I want to because I'm in limbo a
little bit but that's definitely something that's positive if people learn,
even if they're just growing, like you said, some potatoes,
maybe some strawberries or whatever, because they're quite easy to grow.

(01:16:55):
But one of the things that I'm doing practically now
because I'm anticipating at some point that I'm not going
to be able to access the internet, So there's documentaries
that I've downloaded that are now installed on a hard drive,
an external hard drive.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
A lot of the.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
Books that I haven't read that I want to read,
I've voidered them, so they're on my bookshelves now. So
I physically owned things. So that's what I would encourage
people to do and try and own things physically. There's
like old films that you know that are now on
the television, which are available on streaming services that I've
gone back and I've gone on eBay and bought the DVDs.

(01:17:36):
Are these films, so I physically owned copies of them
because I still own a DVD. Well, it's an actual
recorder that worth quite a lot of money now and
it records from vhs to DVD and vice versa. So
that's what I would say, start doing things like that,
you know, get yourself prepared because, like I said before,
we might as well accept that our lives are going

(01:17:59):
to change and starts to actually change ourselves, know the
where we live.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
No, I couldn't agree more. Yeah, physical media is really important.
I mean, I'm very fortunate at the moment. I've got
a new book coming out shortly. It's called The Technocratic
Dark State, and that's been published by Whitney Webb and
Mark Goodwin's new publishing company called Paper Cup. But they're
moving into physical media. They're they're moving and what they've

(01:18:25):
you know, Whitney webs website is called Unlimited Hangout and
they are recognized with what's coming that physical media is
going to become in fact essential, I think. For you know,
if you think of the people that probably watch your
channel and the people that that that perhaps do are

(01:18:45):
interested in what is called the independent media, you know,
you're you're going to lose a lot of those voices
that they're they're not going to They're not going to
be on the Internet, that's for sure. So you know,
I'm anticipating being kicked off the payment platforms, you know,
I mean, that's that that will probably happen, and I
won't be able to carry on doing what I'm doing

(01:19:06):
in the in the way that I'm currently doing it,
So I need to think about how I would do it. Well,
physical media is the way that I would do it,
and you know, write more articles that are printed in
magazines and books and and put out stuff that way,
because that, you know what the way that things. Things
are going to change, like it or not. And Claire,

(01:19:28):
a woman called Claire Wills Harris Harrison said, said a
good thing. Uh, she said, you are going to be
affected by this negatively. You're going to be negatively affected.
It's going to be You're you're entering into a digital
surveillance and control system, whether you like it or not.

(01:19:49):
That's that's what's happening. Now. You can either go along
with it and accept the benefits of it. The short
term benefits of it for a few years is where
you think, oh, this isn't too bad. You know, this
is this is okay. But eventually you're going to be
enslaved by it. You're going to be as ensnared by it.
So at that point, if that's your only way of

(01:20:14):
you know, functioning in the economy and functioning in society,
you're in deep, deep trouble, because what are you going
to do then if you've got no other means of
means of supporting yourself other than that which is digitally proved,
digitally approved by your digital ID. So why not lance
that boil? Now? Why wait? Why wait? Why not just

(01:20:39):
not go along with it now and just start now
building the things that you're going to need to build
and give yourself the time to become as independent as
possible as you independent as you possibly can. Build local
networks that will sustain you absent, invest in things like

(01:20:59):
physical media and and you know, have physical data and
physical proofs of ID if you need them, have these
things ready prepared, be you know, a bit of you know,
I think, what do they call it prepping, don't they?
I mean, but I mean we do need to be
become a bit of preppers for this. And you know,

(01:21:22):
in ten fifteen years time, when other people start realizing
what they've found themselves trapped in, you may be in
a position then to offer help. You might be able
to reach out to people and say, well I can
help you know, I can help you get out of
the system. You know it will come with experience. Well,

(01:21:43):
learn what works, Well, learn what doesn't work. I mean,
I think one of the things that the way this
will be challenged will be the law. I think we
need to use all means at are disposal to challenge this,
So I think the law will be one of them.
Because I don't think the way that the EU, the
way that the government has rolled out digital idea and

(01:22:05):
is saying that everybody must comply and it will be mandatory.
I think that there are certain elements of the European
Human Rights that it contravenes Article probably Article eight on privacy.
I think there's probably a legal argument to be add

(01:22:26):
their constitutional arguments for you know, we could argue even
going back to the sixteen eighty eight or sixteen eighty nine,
depending on what you call it, Bill of rights. You know,
they're not the government is not supposed to do anything
to the detriment of the people. Well, threatening to take
away our livelihoods unless we comply with what they tell us,

(01:22:48):
I think is doing something to the detriment of the people.
So even those sort of lawful things as well as protest,
as well as refusal to comply as well, but most importantly,
building that independent, independent independence into your own life and

(01:23:08):
your local community that is essential. If we combine all
those things together, there's no reason why we need to
go along with any of this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Really no, it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Really important topic this and it's vital. And thanks for
all the information you've shared with us today. And so
before we go as as usual, just tell people about
your work where they can get old your box, and
then where they can connect with you because you've got
a substack and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Yeah, my website is Ian Davis dot com and it's
I A. I. N. Davis or one word dot com.
My substack is Ian Davis dot substack dot com. I
also write for outlets like Whitney Webb's Unlimited Hangout, Geopolitics
and Empire. Haven't written for them for a while, but
hopefully things will turn around for them, and my work

(01:24:02):
is often syndicated by other outlets like off Guardian and Technocracy,
News and Trends and so forth. I also I've got
a book that you can download that's freely available called
The Manchester Attack, which is currently on my website. My
other books are available through my website at a cheaper
price than you can get them sadly on Amazon. Don't

(01:24:25):
go to Amazon and get them cheaper through my website. Also,
I've got a new book coming out, as I said,
the Technocratic Dark State, that's going to be published hopefully
before Christmas. And what we're asking at the moment is
if you're interested in pre ordering a copy, just there's
no commitment to buy, but just send an email titled

(01:24:47):
pre order to pre order at Ian Davis dot com
and that will then will contact you when the books
when we know the book's ready for publication, and offer
you a copy and then you'll be offered the opportunity
to buy. So we're just gauging interest really at the
moment into into for distribution really. So oh and if

(01:25:09):
you do, there's a free competition. There's a competition. Your
email will automatically be entered to win one of five
free signed copies when as soon as the book is published.
And that's meat.

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Yeah, no, thanks Ian. It's brilliant information, important information, And
I always encourage people buy directly from the author if
you can, and don't use Amazon. Unfortunately, sometimes with me
international guest, the people from the UK can't buy them,
so they end up having to go on Amazon. But
I would encourage anyone that can and you want to

(01:25:43):
read some of it and stuff, definitely buy them directly
from him, So thanks again Ian. Guys, you've heard what
Ian and I have been talking about. This is going
to affect everyone. Obviously we've had a slant towards the
UK because that's where me and Ian live, but this
is going to affect everybody global. So please do your
research into this, look at how your own government is

(01:26:05):
sort of going to be implementing it, maybe slightly differently
than that's happening over here, but please do your own research,
have a look into some of Ian's articles, and as usual, guys,
I'm Paul and I'll be back next week with a
new guest. And this is beyond the paradigm.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
My crazy. We don't use that word in here. S

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