Ep 86: Satan's Little Season Theory, Hidden History or Jesuit Heresy? with Ed Mabrie

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're here because you know something. What you know you
can't explain, but you feel it. You felt it your
entire life. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
The matrix? I had dreams that aren't just dreams.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
We accept the reality of the world with which were presented.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's as simple as that.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Billions of people just living out their lives oblivious.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
They taught you good, made you believe their world.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You can deny all the things I've seen, all the
things I've discovered, but not for once long because too
many there's.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
No what's happening on there and no one.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
No government agency has jurisdiction over the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, for the first time, Ed Maybray, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you, Paul. I appreciate you having me honor approach.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's a pleasure to have you on. And as I
usually do with a first time guest, and you'll be
familiar with the goals. I'll just like people to tell
us a little bit about themselves and then tell us why, well,
what got you into sort of the areas that you're
looking at now, And because you've got your own website
and you do videos, so tell us about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
You're so my names ed Maybray. My website, which is
the best place to find me get information about what
I'm doing is Faith by Reason dot net, not dot com.
That's a different website, but dot net. And I've been
doing this for a while, over well over ten years now,
and so a little bit about myself. I have been
a Christian most of my life. I was essentially raised

(01:59):
in the Church WI. My father is a minister, my
grandmother was the matriarch of our church, and you know,
but I've always had a very inquisitive mind. I've always
asked why about everything because I just I just need
to know. And I would do that a lot in church.
I you know, I believed in God and Jesus and everything,
but I would ask, you know, why, why did he
flot the earth? Why was he born of a virgin? Why, X, Y,

(02:21):
and Z happened? The Book of Revelation, which is probably
one of my favorite book in the Bible. A lot
of strange things happening there. And I would ask a
lot of whys. And I think I started to annoy
this church leadership and they just told me, you know what,
it's not right to question God. I said, Okay, well,
I don't want to make God that so I'll stop
questioning him. So I basically went through my childhood, adolescents,
all into college, never really questioning my faith, just you know,

(02:43):
accepting it. When I go to university and you know,
I basically run into a lot of hostility. I've run
into professors and even my fellow students who took great
pleasure in deconstructing my beliefs and telling me that, you know,
I was wrong about the Bible, that the Bible was
not accurate. It's historically inaccurate. That the God of the

(03:04):
Bible is nothing more than an ancient Canaanite vengeance deity
who the ancient Israelites adopted as their own. And Jesus
either he didn't exist or he wasn't who he said
he was. And again, since I had never questioned my faith,
I had no defense. I did not know apologetics, and
it pretty much put me in a bad position. It
made me doubt a lot of things. I still believed

(03:24):
in God, but I started to question what I was
taught about Him. That took me on a journey. You know,
being a person who is an analytical, who's analytical in
their mindset, who has a scientific mindset. I wanted to
I wanted my faith to make sense, and I went
on a journey. And in that journey back prayer to
God was, if you are who you say you are,

(03:45):
if you are real, then you should make sense logically reasonably,
because you would have created you know, the laws of
logic and reason. And God was faithful enough to answer
that and make a long, shorty story short. He took
me on that journey. He introduced me to information, into
people who were brilliant men and women of God who
put me on the right path. And it showed me that,

(04:06):
you know, not only does God make sense, not only
can God be known, he wants to be known, and
he delights in being known. And I figure that I'm
not alone in this. So I created faith by reason
and in order to help my fellow Christians who are
on the same journey understand why they're made excuse me,
why they're faith makes sense and I use again logic, reason,
systematical analysis.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
No, it definitely does take us on our journey. And
that's one of the things I'm thankful for. I mean,
over the last nearly twenty four years, you know, God
putting me in contact with faithful people who then tell
you all read this book, read that book. And I've
got you know, shows full of books that are you know,
essential reading. And I like to read old authors, the Puritans,
you know, dot so More and Lloyd John's real guys

(04:51):
who have real insight. It's not like candy floss. It's
like eating a steak, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's really.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Things to get your teeth into. And I'm thankful, you know,
for that, and I'm thankful for doing this podcast and
people like you coming on and get to talk, you know,
to people all around the world about different topics. And
the topic that we're going to talk about today. Something
that I have spoken about before on here is Satan's
Little Season theory and it's a popular theory online. I

(05:22):
had a guest on are previously talking about it. It
was a proponent of it. But what's your take on
this little season theory?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Sure? So, like you, I heard about it through other
people and I and some videos that I saw on YouTube.
And I'm sorry, maing be back up. The one thing
I I forgot to mention, and I'll mention it begin
at the end, is I'm starting a Patreon starting probably
in February of twenty twenty five, so just be on
look after that and you'll you'll see it on my website.

(05:54):
Reason that yet, but I don't want to make sure.
I didn't mention that because I'm working on it. But
back through the question about the season. So I saw
it on some YouTube videos and some people were in
my comments section, we're telling me about it. You know,
you need to get into this little season. You need
to figure it out. I think we're in the little season,
so I said, okay, So I started looking into it
and researching it, and to give you my summary take

(06:17):
on it, I am not a proponent of it. I
do not believe that we are in the little season,
and I think there are I and my reason for
it is not just because it doesn't match my personal eschatology.
And if you want to know more about my personal eschatology,
I've done an entire series on the Book of Revelation
that is available right now on on my website and
on YouTube, sixty episodes with a deep dive I've and

(06:39):
you will see that you know my eschatology. I'm more
of a I guess you call it a futurist, which
where And I believe that most of in Time's prophecy
has not a curb yet. I believe that everything in
the Book of Revelation from about chapter four all the
way to the end is yet future, which is, you know,
not what the Little Season folks believe. But even though
on first glance I did, it didn't seem to make

(07:01):
sense to me. I wanted to research it. I wanted
because because I'm a contrastive thinker, I try to prove
the other person right, even if I don't agree with them,
And if I can't prove them right, then I feel
more comfortable in you know, in my situation. So I
looked at it and again, in summary, it doesn't fit logic,
it doesn't fit history, and most importantly, it doesn't fit

(07:23):
what the Bible says about this period of time. So
just quickly, I know that you had another guest on
who talked about this, so your listeners are probably familiar,
but in case they aren't. In essence with the Little
Season people. With the Little Season theory states is that
we are in a period of time that is Pulst millennial.
So you have the the so called Tribulation, the last

(07:46):
seven years of human and evil rule on the earth.
The seventieth week of Daniel excuse me from from Daniel
chapter nine, and that period has already happened. That seven
year period concludes with Battle of Armageddon, wherein Jesus returns
to his second coming, and he returns and sets up
a kingdom, and there's a thousand year period in this

(08:08):
kingdom wherein Satan, the devil of the Dragon, is locked
away in the abyss and the bottomless pit for a
thousand year period where and during that during that period,
but while he's locked up, Jesus rules over this over
the current earth with and there are good and evil
people in the earth at death at that time. I
talk about this in my Revelation series. But then at

(08:28):
the end of that thousand years, the Bible says that
Satan is released from his prison for a little season.
And during that little season, of course, this is this
is this is the titular little season that people are
talking about. During that little season, he has one job.
He does one thing. He gathers the nations of the
world against Jerusalem to make war against Jerusalem, and then

(08:52):
fire comes down from heaven devours them, and that basically
ends everything. That's all the evil in the world is
done and then evil as judge of the Great Way
on judgment, then we go into Eternity, the new Jerusalem.
The idea is that we are currently in this little Season,
a period which means that the tribulation those last seven
years already occurred, that the thousand years were Satan has

(09:15):
been locked away, has already occurred, that the return of
Jesus happened over a thousand years ago, and now we
are in this last segment before the final judgment. So
that's what that's what the Little Season states. And my
reasons for it again not believing it is that, in
a nutshell, there is no evidence for it, none whatsoever.

(09:37):
Now there is some tertiary evidence called Tataria, which we'll
probably get into, but aside and again even that's extremely specious, specious,
but aside from that, there is no evidence for it.
I tried, I tried to argue on their behalf and
how can this be right? How could this possibly be true?

(10:00):
What would the world look like if this were true?
And it just does not match anything. And once you
really get down to it, it almost becomes ludicrous that
this is even believed. But you know, I will go
step by step through it. And give you my reasoning
from beginning to end.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, I mean, I like, I listen to people and
then I go away me and analyze it. But obviously
the main thing for me is if it contradicts the scriptures,
it's not true. And that's as simple. I don't care
how popular it is, I don't care who's telling me.
If it contradicts the Holy Bible, it isn't true and
or full stop. And obviously one of the things that

(10:46):
they talk about in the little season is like they're
basically saying that, you know, when Jesus says certain things,
for example, like about him coming quickly, it talks about
it in revelation Behold I come quickly. But I've got

(11:08):
my vines expositor addiction of me, and I would recommend
people get things like this. I've had this for over
twenty years. And if you go to that and it
says there about quickly, it's the word tattoo, Yeah, t
ac hu, which means swift, right, I mean, so that

(11:34):
that's what we're talking about. People are basically, as far
as I understand it, they're going in and they're taking
these English words and saying, look, it's it's saying this,
and then the same to people like you and I
who say, well, no, they're saying, oh, were you saying
he's a liar?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Then yeah. So when people ask me, I get asked
a lot. You have what's the best way to interpret
the Bible? And there are rules? And I'm on my
site somewhere buried in there that there are five rules
that I give when when interpreting the Bible. And at
the top of that, well, one of the top two,

(12:09):
I would say, our context in language. Keep in mind
that the Bible is not written in English. It was
written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. So we cannot take
our our English or whatever language you happen to be speaking,
whatever model language you're speaking, and take our current, not
not just our our our language interpretation, but also our

(12:29):
pop culture vernacular and ascribe that to the Bible. Like
you said, the word for us quickly is also uh
in Greek is i pronounced ta keo. But it's the
same word where we get on our on our vehicles.
The word our to cometer, it comes from the same word.
What is it the tocometer measure? It does not measure
your speed, your accelerate, you know, you're you're, you're Your speedometer,

(12:52):
uh shows your speech. Your ta coometer show success, It
shows how fast you're accelerating. So what he's saying is
that when these things happen, they will be happening at
an accelerated rate. So that's what he's saying. He's not
saying I'm coming tomorrow. He's saying these things will be
happening in an accelerated rate. See he says so when
he says in the Revelation chapter one, which I think

(13:16):
is what you were quoting, it says that he came
to show his servants things which must dako come to pass.
Not that we're come to pass quickly, but they will
come to pass an accelerated fashion. Basically, seven years is
when everything's going to wrap up. God is going to
take care of his judgments very quickly because God does
not like judging. I talk about this my Revelation series.

(13:37):
Judging is probably God's least favorite thing to do. That
is not who he is, that is what circumstances forced
him to become. But if you look at what God wants,
and again I'm getting a little bit off topic, I'll
promise i'll come back. But because I'm doing this series.
I just start on a series on Genesis, and which
is you know, a great place to go after Revelation,
because at the end of Revelation, God gets back what
he originally wanted in Eden, and in Eden he didn't

(14:00):
want to judge anyone. He just gave us It's a
beautiful world. And he told us to the world is yours,
Adam and Eve, and your and your children. Go off
before the multiply field the earth and make the earth light.
Eden rule over it, and in the cool of the
day we will walk and talk. That's what he wants. Now,
we forced him into being judgmental, because God is holy
and and he is righteous and jest and a righteous jest.

(14:23):
God cannot let equal go unpunished. But he doesn't like
doing it. He wants He wants us to have joy
and peace and happiness and just be with him. So
my point in saying all that is that these things
come to pass quickly because God wants to get the
judgment out of the way and get to the good
stuff to eternity with him. So as far as the
Little Season is concerned, the way I look at it

(14:45):
is I ask myself if this was correct being contrasted,
what would the world look like. Well, look at what
had to have happened at least one thousand and seven
years ago, the tribulation, which will have had to have started.
What happens in the tribune. Well, first, and during this
period of time, you have the so called rapture. I'm
not going to get into that it's highly controversial. I

(15:06):
talk about it a lot on faith by reason. But
at some point, whether you believe in a pre mid
or post tribulation rapture that has happened a thousand and
seven years ago, and then you have some devastating things
occur in the world. You have the four horsemen who
ride at the beginning of that period of time, and
with the six horsemen, you have this great earthquake that

(15:27):
moves every mountain in Ivan out of its place. You
have the judgments during the trumpets, the trumpet judgments, where
a third of the green grass is burned up, a
third of the population of the earth is killed by
these demonic hordes. You have the waters turned bitter, you
have darkness all over the earth. You have just like
incredibly terrible things happening. And remember Jesus himself said in

(15:48):
Matthew chapter twenty four, that this period of time and
he was talking about the end time. The disciples were
asking him, what will be the signs right before your
second coming? He said, it will be there was no
time on earth that's ever been like this, meaning this
is worse than the flood. What happened to the flood.
The whole world was flooded and changed the topography of
the entire earth. This is going to be worse than that. Again,
islands and mountains moved out of their places. You have,

(16:10):
you know, these devastating judgments, and then you get to
the final judgments, the wrath of Goalth, the bold judgments,
where again all trees and green grass are burned up.
All the water in the earth rib fresh and salt
water is turned to blood, like the blood of a
dead man's And in the cases of the ocean, you
have these grievous sores over everyone's bodies. You have before that,

(16:31):
you have this rule, the Antichrist who comes and desecrates
the temple and has the mark, and and forces people
to take this mark in the right hand beforehand, so
that they can't buy or sell, and that the world
is forced to worship him, and you have all these words,
you have about about roughly half the population of the
of the world is killed, according to revelation. And then
at the very end you have this earthquake that's so

(16:53):
great that every mountain, the mountains no longer found, and
every island is gone. This would be the most devastating
period of time in human history. This, according to the
Little Season, happened over a thousand years ago. The question is,
where's the evidence of it? Historically, wouldn't someone have jotted

(17:13):
that down that all the all the water in the
world is blood, that there are no more mountains. And
if there and if all the mountains went away, why
do we still have mountains. I can look out my
window right now, I'm close to a mountain range. I
can look at right now, there it is, the mountain
is there. It's not gone. Why how do some mountains
come by? Why are there islands? I'm an abbot scuba diver.

(17:34):
I've been to many islands in my life. My family
and I regist last year in the Hawaiian Islands. They're
still there. Howd the islands come back? What? I suppose
you could say that when Jesus returned, he brought the
islands and mountains back up, I guess, But why are
they exactly where they were before? We have maps of
the world from before the time of Jesus. The topography
is exactly the same, So that Jesus brought the mountains

(17:55):
right back up exactly the way they were before, with
the same uh geological features and fossils that they had
eggs before. If that really makes sense now some people
will say, especially the little season, people will say, well,
that's symbolic. You're taking as too literally. He doesn't really
mean that mountains and islands literally went away. He doesn't
mean that rivers and oceans literally turn to blood. There's

(18:19):
a problem with that. We do not have carte blanche
to decide what is and what is not literal and
the Bible to fit our favorite theory. I'll get back
to that. But the problem is that these things had
to have happened to some degree in the past, but
there is no record of it. The return of Jesus
at the end of the seven year period, This would

(18:39):
have been the greatest event in the history of the world,
the return bodily of the co creator of the universe
coming back down to Earth, ruling from Jerusalem for a
thousand years. Where is that? Where's the evidence of it?
Now again, there's the hidden history idea, the idea that well,
somehow history is has just been erased. You're ascribing a

(19:03):
great deal of power to save and if you believe
that he's able to erase history, to obfuscate a thousand
years of history. Where again, it's not just that Jesus
was here and ruled. There's a lot more to this
period of time than just him coming back. This thousand
year period there is accompanied by the resurrection of the saints,

(19:24):
everyone who believed in Jesus and in the promise of
Jesus from Adam all the way to the day before
Jesus returned, who died. They are back on earth in
supernatural resurrected bodies that were similar to the bodies that
Jesus had when he resurrected, to the body that Jesus
had when he resurrected. Jesus in his resurrected body, he
was on earth for forty days. What did he do?

(19:45):
He could enter and leave rooms without using the door.
He could just appear and disappear. The bodies were supernatural.
So that means that for a thousand years, you had
Noah and Abraham and King David and Daniel and all
the different prophets and everyone who ever believed and got
the disciples. Peter Paul James here in supernatural bodies as

(20:05):
coregients ruling and reigning with jes for a thousand years.
Where's the evidence of that? Are you really telling me
you could hide that? Oh, but there's more, Paul, now
that you're talking to. Second, but let's look at the
other changes that are that are in the in the earth.
And this is not my opinion, this is what the
Bible says. In the Book of Isaiah, and Ezekiel and
Jeremiah are vivid descriptions of what that thousand year period

(20:28):
is going to be like. In addition to the supernatural
rule by Jesus and saints you're going to have, the
animal world is different. It says that during this period
of time, the lion and eat straw like an ox.
Apparently they're no more carnivores. The line that changes their
entire digestive system of corni verse animals, the wolf and
the lamb lie down together. Okay, so there all animals

(20:50):
are going to be tamed. It says that children will
play on the on the whole of the poisonous snakes.
So all animals are going to be tamed. Actually is
going to be like the Antediluvian period, the pre flood
period during this time, because there's going to be long life.
It says that someone who dies at a one hundred
years old, it's going to be considered a child. Like
during this period. If if someone dies a one hundred,
you're gonna say, oh, that poor kid never had a

(21:11):
chance to live its full life. So I think people
are going to be it's clear that people are going
to be living for hundreds of years like they did
in the pre flood time, with people after just living
six seven, eight hundred years. What happened? Why isn't that
happening now? Why what happened to end that? Why are
they no people who are alive that long? Why are

(21:32):
animals no longer tame? Why are lions no longer eating straw?
Go to your local zoo, you won't find them feeding
bales of hay to lions. They're eating meat. So something
happened and changed that all the way back around. And
here's the big question, where's Jesus? So apparently Jesus must
have ruled for a thousand years, and he said, okay, guys,
I'm out, take it easy. Why why did he leave?

(21:56):
Where did he go? I guess he took all the
saints with him, and then he changed everything back to
the way it was before. The Bible doesn't say that,
doesn't imply that. In fact, it implies. It says the opposite.
In the Book of Daniel. In the writings of Paul,
this kingdom is called an everlasting kingdom. That thousand year
period is not the entirety of jesus kingdom. The thousand

(22:18):
year period serves a specific purpose with Satan being locked away.
It's really there to prove that mankind, even if they're
under a perfect rule by Jesus for a thousand years,
man will still rebel. That's what the little season is
really forced to prove that manskind's heart is irredeemably evil,
and that even after a perfect rule of Jesus for
a thousand years, the first chance they get, they will rebel.
But his kingdom is everlasting. And you look at the

(22:41):
original Hebrew and Greek or everlasting, it means the same thing.
It means without end. So if Jesus kingdom is without end,
then Jesus should still be here. If he came back
a thousand plus years ago, he would not have left
unless you believe that the Bible is wrong. And lastly,
while it's shock now said a lot, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
The proponents of the little season theory. I'm not saying
that this is what they all say, just the ones,
some of all the ones I've heard and spoken. So
they say that Jesus is at the North Paul, and
the North Paul's moving around. Just let that same king, guys,
that's the answer.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, the problem is that jerusale. Yeah, I've heard that
same thing too. I've had people say, well, you don't
you don't know where Jerusalem really is. Okay, when did
he move? Why did he move? How did he move?
Because the Bible is very clear that Jerusalem is in Israel.
The topography of Israel has not changed. Jerusalem is still there.
And let's say Jesus is in the North Pole, he's

(23:47):
If Jesus is in the North Pole and he's still ruining,
he's doing a really lousy job, but he is if
he is ruling the world now his kingdom. I'm gonna
be honest with you his kingdom sucks and it's not,
and he is not ruling it in the way that
the Bible said he was ruling it, and this north pole.
Step up. Yes, there's an old saying in the information

(24:07):
science is that if you tortured the data long enough,
it will confess to anything, meaning that if you you
can twist things around and to make anything true, if
you want it to be, you can always say, well,
you know he's in the he's in the North Pole.
Do you have any evidence for that? Well, how do
you know he's not in the North Pole? Yeah, no,
that's not how things work, folks.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
But even so, then what is Satans supposed to be
doing during his little season? He has one job and
one job only, and by the way, and that job
is to gather the nations against Jerusalem wherever it might be,
to battle against Jesus. So do you see have you
seen any evidence that right now the purpose of nations
is to gather to fight Jerusalem wherever, to fight against Jerusalem,

(24:52):
wherever it might be. No, there's not a No, that's
not happening. So if that's happened, if that, if that's
that's what the deal is, then you're telling me that
Satan is able to opt to contort God's will and
say that and and basically nullify God's will and God's
word because Satan is not doing what he's supposed to

(25:14):
be doing in the little season first and moore that
term little season. Let's just look at that again. The
original language that word little is micronos. Micronos means it
would imply tiny. And we see that term little season
elsewhere in the Book of Revelation. If you look in
a Revelation chapter six, at the opening of the fifth

(25:34):
seal with the with the what we see the martyrs
in heaven and they're crying out to God saying, when
are you going to avenge us? Excuse me, when are
you going to avenge us on Satan? And God says
that these are the worst of God. He says, just
wait for a little season. Micronos. How long is that
little season? How long is it? Because this is happening
at the beginning of the tribulation, it's about three and

(25:55):
a half years before God actually starts to judge the world. Now,
I could be generous and say that maybe you could
say the true judgment's the bowl of Bolls of praths
don't happen until the end of the tribulation. So let's
say that that Micronos, that little Season is only seven years. Fine,
why would it be seven years in excuse me, Revelation
chapter six, but then be much longer than that in

(26:17):
the Revelation nine at Judge chapter twenty. Because if the
Little Season is true, then it's been at least one
hundred and fifty years. Why do I say one hundred
and fifty years, because obviously we're it's lasted longer than
seven years. You know, it's saying has been you know,
my lifetime, I have not experienced any of the of

(26:39):
the events of the millennium. My grandfather hasn't and my
great grandfather hasn't, and we have basically one hundred and
fifty years what's called collective memory, where we have the
stories that we hear from our grandparents, and they have
the story they hear from their grandparents, and that's about
roughly one hundred and fifty years. So we know that
it's been at least that long that we have some

(26:59):
type of history going. And so that means that if
this Little Season is true, then it's been at least
one hundred and fifty years, So why would it be
seven years in chapter six and then at minimum one
hundred and fifty years that we that we know that
you know, we've that's been between the time that I
guess Jesus left and really Satan and now doesn't make sense.

(27:25):
And then why for that one hundred and fifty years
has Satan been doing everything but what God said he's
going to do. So if you believe that, then you
basically believe that Satan can say, Hey, God, screw you.
I know you said, say this is what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna do something different. No, Satan does not have
that power. Satan can only do what God allows, and
God made it very clear in the Bible what Satan's

(27:47):
going to be doing during this time, and he's not
doing it. So again, there's no evidence for it.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
No, I mean people ascribed to too much power to that. Well,
you get people that ascribe too much power to him
and then others that ascribe to little power. And we
need to be realistic with regards to the Devil is
an immensely powerful being. However, God's sovereign and he has

(29:10):
Satan on a leash and Satan is God's devil, and
that's the reality of it.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And he and he's used.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Satan is used. I mean, it's not like there's this
battle going on between God and Satan and somehow at
the end God just manages to win. He gets the
victory like it's nothing. He's a Satan's a created being.
He knows how powerful God is. I mean, and I

(29:39):
often think of this. Does he actually think he's gonna win?
I don't think he does, but he is. He is
self deceiving because he deceives everyone, deceives hisself, deceives.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
All the other fallen angels.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
But I think he might think he can somehow get
out of it on a technicality. I know, I don't
believe he thinks he's gonna win, because when it talks
about Satan, it doesn't say that he had he wanted
to ascend above the most height, said he wanted to
be like him. So he knows he can't. He knows
he can't be more powerful than him. So people are

(30:14):
describing too much paraffic. You know, christis come, He's reigned,
and then the Devil's completely wiped all evidence out completely
and collective memory, it's all gone. But you mentioned her
about data and it just and how people you know,
can basically make it say whatever they want. And it
just reminded me of two Peter three sixteen wod its.

(30:36):
And it says as also in all his epistles, speaking
in them, and he's obviously speaking about Paul of these
things in which some things are hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable. Rest or it
means to rend as they do the other scriptures unto
their own destruction. And the actual the word rest that's

(30:58):
using the King James vers and it really means to
almost the thought is almost put it on a torture
rack and torture it then get it to say what
you want it to say. And unfortunately, within this sphere
of podcasting and people on YouTube, they start their own

(31:20):
YouTube channels. They think there's some kind of guru on
a particular topic, they get some traction, and then they
carry on promoting this particular view. And I think that's
what's happening with this little season theory. And unfortunately, people
who don't have a deep enough knowledge of the scriptures,
they don't know how to expound the scriptures, and they

(31:43):
take these novel ideas on board, and this is what
it is. It's a novel idea, and it's they're trying
to explain. Obviously, we're going to get into it. This
this sort of old world when orders these buildings that
don't make sense every country on Earth, I mean, and
I go around different places and they have a look
at them and think, yes, it is out of place.

(32:05):
We don't know that, we don't know the answer to it.
But people are trying to explain these things, right, And
obviously one of the one of the other points that
I just wanted to sort of mention was when they
talk about when the Lord says about this generation will
not pass away, and they say that he's saying that

(32:27):
it's this generation he's talking to there, but it isn't
is it. It doesn't mean that.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get you want to talk about that,
And I'm gonna go back to a few other things
you said. She said a lot of really good things
that I was just noting, so I'm to make sure
I don't forget them. But but I struggle with what
you were saying about this generation shall not pass until
all these things take place, and that's when we really
get down to why this is believed, because when I
went through the Little Season and I just said, this

(32:54):
doesn't make sense, why the people believe it? Well, it
turns out there it really dovetails into another leaf system
that has adopted the Little Season in order to kind
of prop up their beliefs on eschatology, and we'll get
into that. But in addition to other verses, they use
this same verse that you just talked about, this generation
will not pass away, so it must be the generation

(33:16):
Jesus is talking about. Except again, one of the rules
of biblical interpretation is context. What is Jesus talking about
when when this comes from Matthew twenty four when he
says this generation shall not pass Matthew. In Matthew twenty four,
Jesus is answering two questions from his disciples. The disciples

(33:38):
brought him to see every basically showing off the temple
was Herod's temple. You know, it was really beautifully done,
and they were showing it off to Jesus, and Jesus said,
you know what, I know, I'm parabraising. Of course, yeah,
this is a great building. But it's going to come
a time where it's going to be taken down so
much a one stone will not be upon the other.
And the disciples, you know, kind of it disturbed them,
and they said, they asked the two questions. They said,

(34:00):
when will these things be? That is the destruction of
the temple, that's one question. Question number two is what
will be the sign? What will be the sign of
your coming and the end of the age future. So
he answered the questions, and he answered about the destruction
of the temple and then the sign of his coming

(34:20):
are two completely different answers. And when he's talking about
the sign of his second coming, he is speaking about
the future. So when he's talking about that generation that
sees all of these things happen, that generation shall not
pass until all these things happen. So he is speaking
to a future generation. You have to look at the
context of which he was speaking. He was not speaking

(34:41):
to a present generation. And here's the thing. Even if
you believed he was, because I can understand, you can say, well,
this generation could mean this. President, I understand you never
used the word this. You know why, because this is
an English word. He never said the word this. It
never came out of his mouth. That the English language,
as we know it did not even in the first century,
so you have to So how do we know what

(35:03):
the interpreters of the Bible why they put the word
this there? They were speaking because because I've had the
same debate with others and they said, well, if that
was the case, he should have said that generation. He
wouldn't have said that because the word that didn't exist.
Where is he talking about in this In this point
in his answer, he is talking about the future, so

(35:24):
he has to be talking about a future generation. And
even if you believed he did, all you have to
do is look in the first century, the generation passed
and all those things did not take place, which is
what I talked about. You know earlier on the tribulation
has not happened yet. How do I know it hasn't
happened yet, Because that hasn't happened. There's no evidence for it,
not in y at all. And one of the excuses

(35:46):
that the people who promote the little seasons say is, well,
you know history has been erased all that. Okay, let's
just look at this logically, do the powers that be
have the ability to affect our understanding of history. I'm
not going to argue against that. Surely they can. They
can obfuscate history, but there's a huge difference between obfuscating

(36:07):
history saying things that happened, to say that things happen
differently than they actually did. That's one thing. But to
make something completely disappear from history, that is a huge undertaking.
And the bigger the event, the more difficult it is
to happen. It is to do not just because of
our traditions and our history that it's passed on, but
also because there is other independent evidence of it. And

(36:29):
to say that the Satan and the elites of the
world and his minions human and otherwise made a thousand
years disappear. Let's look at some of the biggest perhaps
the biggest event here in the States of the last
twenty five thirty years, nine to eleven. There are a

(36:49):
lot of conspiracy theories around nine to eleven, and even
I don't believe everything in the official record that they
don't make sense, But people are working hard to obfuscate that.
You can obviouscate the history, but you are not going
to convince anyone living today that nine to eleven didn't happen.
Why because their eyewitnesses there was physical evidence of it.

(37:12):
My two children. We talked beforehand about we both have boys.
My boys are eight and eleven, excuse me, eight and ten.
They were not alive, but their dad was. Their dad
has told them no stories. My kids did not see
nine eleven, but they know it happened because their dad
told them. Now, maybe in a future in a history book,
they'll obviouscate it even more. But there's a difference between
saying it didn't happen, why you thought it happened, versus

(37:32):
it never happened. My grandfather fought in World War Two.
I wasn't alive. Then he's told me stories about how
he was on the front lines and D Day and Normandy,
on the beaches of Normandy and are There's a huge
conspiracy theory that the United States allowed the Pearl Harbor
attack to happen in order to get the US into

(37:52):
the war. That will be different than the official story.
Now that you can obfuscate history, but to make it erase,
but but we RaSE it. That's that's extraordinarily difficult. That
takes an incredible amount of power. An example, every other
major empire in the world, we have tons of evidence
of it. The Egyptian Empire four thousand years ago. We

(38:14):
have tons of evidence that had existed the Greek Empire.
Most of our Western civilization is based on the philosophy
and the government that was established in the Greek Empire,
and that was, you know, twenty five hundred years ago,
the Persian Empire. Get that's where we get our systems
of mathematics and numerology from the Roman Empire. Evidence of that,
you go to Italy today. I mean, my wife and

(38:35):
I were there a few years ago. Extraordinary evidence not
just that they existed, but what life was like, what
they ate and drank, what their philosophy, their stories, their religion.
All of that is still around. But you want to
tell me that they somehow you were able to erase
one thousand years of the greatest what would have been
the greatest kingdom in the history of the world, ruled

(38:56):
over by the Son of God in a supernatural body,
with supernawal regions all over the world, with animal life different,
with human life, fans different, with perfect peace. You can
does that truly make sense? Satan? You said, like you
said before, Satan is not that powerful. Not only is
Satan in order for that to happen, Satan wud have

(39:16):
to be more powerful than God. Let me tell you
really quickly about another piece of history that Satan would
love to erase. That's somehow he wasn't able to the
first Advent of Jesus. Jesus was on earth for thirty
three years. During that thirty three years, aside from one's
quick sojourn into Egypt, Jesus was only in Israel, a
little narrow strip of land about the size of New

(39:38):
Jersey here in the United States. He never left that area.
His ministry was only three years. He was only active
for three years. Don't you think Satan would have loved
to you if he raced that? If he could his
first advent, his death and resurrection, yet it still existed
this day. Why if Satan was not able to erase

(39:58):
three years that only occurred in a narrow strip of
land in the Middle East. If he couldn't, If he
couldn't do that, and I can't believe you wouldn't have
loved to have done it, How on earth could he
have you raised? One thousand years of a worldwide empire
supernaturally ruled over by Jesus and supernatural regents for a
thousand years. If that truly makes sense. Satan is not

(40:20):
that powerful. Satan is If God can preserve three years
of the life of his son, you're telling me he
can't preserve a thousand years of his kingdom that he
promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to the disciples. To us,
Satan is not that power.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Is Satan not more powerful than God? Satan is not
more powerful than you? In my eye, if you're a Christian,
how do we know that? What did Jesus come to do? Yes,
die for our sins, absolutely, but he came. He also
came to give us power over the spiritual realm. You
know why it was such a big deal that Jesus
cast out demons because no one had ever done it before.
No one has the power to command demons to leave.

(40:58):
And Jesus saved that same power to his disciples while
he was alive, and then when he died and rose again,
he said he gave that power to all of us.
We all have power over the spiritual realm. Satan is
not more powerful than you and I. Now, granted we
don't use that power to the degree that we should,
but we are more powerful than Satan. Satan. Do you
know that if if you are being oppressed by spiritual evil,

(41:20):
you can just say the name Jesus and they flee.
Is said that resist, it says, it's in the Bible.
Resists the devil and he will flee from you. How
powerful is he can he be? If your resistance can
make him BLEAE does not mean okay, I'll just reluctantly leave. No,
he runs, Satan, the devil, the great dragon. We have
more power. We have more power than he does. Now,

(41:42):
why why is the world in the shape it sandwich?
Because we don't use the power, but we have it.
Satan is not more powerful, thank God. He is not
more powerful than you and I. He does not have
the power to erase a thousand years of the kingdom
that God promised to everyone in the Bible. I don't believe.
And if you believe that, then you must believe again

(42:03):
that Satan is more powerful than God. So I don't
talk really quick. So I mentioned before about some of
the excuses that are a rationale that their little season
people gave, and you can give some more and more
than happy to address them. But the two I get
the most is that I'm taking the Bible too literally
when I talk about you know, mountains and trees burning

(42:25):
up and disappearing and things like that. And the other
one is, of course they're the history being a race,
and I just addressed that. But when you say that
you cannot take certain parts of the Bible literal, the
question is which parts cannot can you not take literally?
Surely you don't mean the entire Bible. Of course, the
parts of bout that we take literally. We have to
believe that Jesus literally physically came down to Earth, so

(42:47):
that's not But where do you draw the line? Well,
here is we don't have that carte blanche. We have
there are certain rules in place for whether something is
literal or symbolic. And yes, there's absolutely symbolism in the Bible.
There is aligal in the Bible. But God does not
just randomly put the allegory in there. We know willy
nilly when something is out is in the Bible allegorically

(43:09):
or or or non literally. There are two ways you
can know. First of all, if it's there are two
ways to deal with it. One is that it's always interpreted.
Everything that God says symbolically is interpreted. There is nothing
symbolically in the Bible that is not given an interpretation.

(43:29):
Most of the time, that interpretation is given right in
the same passage. The Book of Daniel is a great
example of this. The first in chapter two of the
Book of Daniel, the king Nebukinetzer has a drenemy of
this of this statue made of five different medals. In
that same chapter, God gives Daniel the interpretation that those
four that the statue of the four metals represent four

(43:50):
different kingdoms. Done right then and there, then you have
another Danuel, chapter seven, where Daniel has a vision of
the of the of these four beasts that rule the earth.
And in that same chapter and an angel comes and
gives then with the interpretation that those four beasts are
four kingdoms through which Satan is going to try to
rule the world. Their interpretations are usually given immediately, and

(44:12):
if they're not given immediately, then they're elsewhere. In the Bible.
Revelation chapter one is another great example. In Revelation chapter one,
the apostle John is given a vision of Jesus with
hair like wool, and he has a gold sash and
a white robe, and he has in his hand seven stars,
and he walks among seven candlesticks. In that same chapter,

(44:33):
Jesus himself says, oh, by the way, those seven stars
are the seven angels of the seven churches, and those
seven lampstances are the seven churches. But what about the
other stuff that's interpreted elsewhere in the Bible. A gold
sash is a symbol of royalty, a white robe is
a symbol of priesthood. So we know that because it's

(44:54):
elsewhere in the Bible, or it's given right then and
there the idea that some of the little season people
will say, well, you know when it says that mountains
are are thrown down, Well, mountains can sometimes in the
Bible mean governments, and that's correct. In fact, in Revelation
chapter seventeen, it says that there is the that's the

(45:16):
prophecy of the great Harlot who rides the beast, the
woman who rides the beast, and it says that this
woman sits on seven hills or seven mountains, And it
says right there in the same chapter these seven mountains,
these seven mountains are basically seven governments that the woman
rules over. So it gives the interpretation right there. However,

(45:37):
when you see the mountains thrown down, it is not
it is not interpreted that way. It does not say
that these mountains are not literal these It does not
given a different interpretation of those mountains. It is. So
if you do not see it put into a form
of provision, or if it's not translated or interpreted by

(45:58):
someone there, then you should take it literally. Now I
will give you one last example. If you look in
Revelation chapter twelve, you see a John has a vision. So,
first of all, he says it's a vision, so we
know it's not literal. He says he has a vision
of a woman who's clothed with the sun, stars, twelve
stars around her head, and the moon under her feet. Okay,
Now an interpretation isn't immediately given. However, we see an

(46:20):
interpretation of that in Genesis earlier, where the patriarch Joseph
has a dream where the sun, moon, and twelve stars
bow down before him and is interpreted by his father Jacob,
and Jacob says, well, you're saying that me, your mother,
and your twelve brothers are going to bow down before
you before you. So the sun and the moon are

(46:42):
Jacob and his wife Rachel, and the twelve stars where
where the twelve the eleven stars where they're where the
eleven tribes plus Joseph the twelve tribes of Israel. So
clearly this woman represents Israel. So we've seen that before,
clearly in the Bible. So the wrap it up. If
something is its symbolic, first of all, it will look

(47:02):
like a vision. It will clearly say this is a vision.
This is not literal, and then you will find an interpretation,
either immediately or someplace else in the Bible. If it's not,
then you need to take it literally. You need to
default to taking it literally. So what that means is
you cannot just decide what's literal and what's not based
on whether or not it's your favorite pet theory. Don't

(47:25):
conform the Bible to your theory. Conform your theory to
the Bible.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
If whatever you're thinking isn't in line with the scriptures,
then you're wrong and the Bible's right. And one thing
I would say to that one of the things that
here often and you get people coming doing videos and
they say God told me this, and God told me that.

(48:35):
It really really annoys me because when they need to
be very very careful when they're saying God told me
or God said if what you're saying doesn't line up
with the scriptures. God has not told you. He has
not told you, because the Spirit and the Word agree always, always, always,

(48:56):
the Spirit will never contradict the Word. Ever, So if
you're going to come to me and say God told
me this and it is not in the Bible and
it contradicts it, he hasn't told you. It's the devil
end of or you've just made it up in your
own mind. But one of the things that they talk
about the little seasoned people, and the people who believe

(49:17):
in the Little season obviously are professing Christians who have
sort of responded to this tritaria theory of people who
are not Christians. They talk about this old world. And
you know, I've looked into this. I've physically looked into it.
I've gone to places, you know. I've gone back up
home to the northwest of England. I've gone to Manchester,
I've gone to Liverpool. With my job, I move around

(49:39):
a lot. I go to lots of these places, and
I go and have a look at some of these
old buildings. Sometimes buildings have probably walked past loads of
times and not paid any attention to. And I look
at them and I analyze them and I think, yeah,
they do look out a place. And you know, one off,
when you come out of the train station in Liverpool,
there's a building immediately in front of you, a huge

(50:01):
building with columns, huge doors. Have done videos on them,
absolutely huge doors, clearly made not by average sized people.
Let's say that's what it looks like anywhere when you're
looking at it. And then there's other buildings that have
rooms that are below ground, like you can tell that
the pavement level wasn't always where it is because these

(50:24):
buildings have windows and doorways down you think, well, why
have they got windows down there? So yeah, you know,
and this is all around the world. It's not just
over here in the UK's in the US, you can
go to whatever, you know, Canada, Russia. It's all over
the world. And there's this theory, this Tartaria theory. So

(50:44):
you know that there's this advanced civilization from sort of
the southern Russian steppe region and they were in an
advanced civilization and this is the reason why there's these
buildings all over I mean, what are your faults on
this sort of old ov is Tartaria.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I'm gonna give you two quick answers. Quick answer number one,
I don't know. In quick answer number two, just because
you don't know something, that doesn't mean you can fit
anything you want into it. So I am not an
expert on tatari. I've done some study on it. It is fascinating.
It really is, like as you said, it's all over
the world. There's even some locally that I live near
a major city, and in that city there's one of
these so called Tatarian buildings that was in that Old

(51:26):
World Order video. It's it's actually the capitol building for
the for that city. And it's tough to explain. I
don't but just because you don't know something doesn't again,
you don't have the carte blanche just shove all of
your theories into it unless there's some reason for it. Now,
if you show me a Tatarian building that had that

(51:47):
has some type of artwork on it that depicts the millennium,
because this is what the little season folks say, they say, well,
this is evidence that Jesus was here and he gave
this advanced technology and architectures, and for Jesus, Jesus would
do that, So this shows that there was an advance
civilization that left in the recent past, and this is Jesus. Okay,

(52:10):
those are two different thoughts. One thought is that there
was some advancements in the recent in recent history that
we don't understand, and thought number two that must have
been Jesus. Thought number one. There's some evidence behind it.
It looks like there is evidence that these Tutarian buildings
have some type of technology that has been hidden or
lost from us, But that does not automatically mean that

(52:30):
it's from Jesus. Now, if you show me a Tutarian
building that has the worst Jesus was here. There are
something like that. I mean again, I talked about it
when I was in Italy, and in Italy they have
a lot a lot of these so called tartarian structures.
When we were in Florence, they're like you said, there
was this huge building that I guess was used as
a cathedral. The doors were gigantic that it looks like

(52:51):
if you were the only people who could open this door,
you'd have to be at least thirteen feet tall to
reach the doorknob. I don't get that. That makes no
sense to me. That's something there's something going on there
that I don't understand that may have been hidden from me.
But inside of those buildings, I see artwork. But that
artwork is medieval artwork. It's artwork showing, you know, things

(53:12):
that happen during the medieval period. If these are from
the time of Jesus, shouldn't there because in all of
our structures and our art, art is part of history.
There should be artwork about the thousand year reign of Jesus.
There should be songs about it, there should be culture. Again,
as I said before, every major empire in history, we

(53:33):
know about their culture, about their songs, about their poetry,
and this because it's on there. It's on their artwork,
it's on their buildings, it's on their structure. Egyptian Hierrodglyps.
You go through the part of the None, you see
writings about things that happened during that time. You go
to the Colosseum incuse I mean Italy, you see evidence
of what life was like. Shouldn't these tartarium buildings, if

(53:55):
they were from the time of the millennium, have some
type of evidence on them. Shouldn't there be artwork of
Moses fishing in the Mediterranean and his favorite fishing hole.
There shouldn't there be a picture of Jesus ruling from Jerusalem.
Shouldn't there be something, some evidence, something that says this happened.
This building was built during the time of the millennial

(54:16):
reign of Christ, when all these amazing things would happen.
Shouldn't it be a picture of a lion eating a
bale of hay. Shouldn't there be of something? But there isn't.
I've been inside these buildings, not all of them, obviously,
but the few that I haven't been inside of. There
is nothing about that building that says, yeah, this Jesus
was here, and here's what here's some evidence of what
the life the culture was like during this thousand year period.

(54:40):
There isn't any. So you have two separate things. You
have the mystery of Tataria and you have the second
Coming of Jesus. They don't fit together. There is nothing
that brings them together in these Ttarian buildings, nothing about
them at all I'm waiting for. I've watched the videos
of the people who talk about Tataria. I've watched the
videos of people who talk about this the the little season,

(55:01):
and by the way, most of the Tatarian people don't
even mention the Little Season because they aren't interested in
anything has DoD with Jesus. This is what people who
believe in the in the Little Season have decided. They
basically decided that they're going to basically kidnap the Tatarian.
You know, they're gonna hijack, not kidnaps up right in

(55:22):
the right word. They're gonna hijack Tataria to fit their theory.
So I don't want to be on here forever. We
have a limited time, but I want to give my
one final thought and then you know, you can come
back and you can give me in any other questions
you want. But because after I did my study of
the Little Season and looked into it and just realize
it just doesn't make any sense on in a matter

(55:42):
of logic, history or the Bible, my question was why
do people believe this so fervently? Then I started noticing
something that was common in most of the people, of
not all of them who are purporting this theory. They
all say one more piece of evidence as there as
their reasoning. They say that Jesus promised his disciples that

(56:04):
he would return during their lifetime. Therefore, the second Coming
has to have happened in the first century, and ergo
the thousand years and so forth. So that's why we're
in the little season. When I heard that, I understood
what's going on. Because that idea that Jesus promise he
would return during the lifetime of his disciples is the catchphrase,

(56:27):
the watchword of a group of people who call themselves pretorists.
What is predtorist, what's preterism. Preaditorism is the idea basically
that ninety nine percent of prophecies already happened, everything from
the beginning of the Bible Genesis one one all the
way up until basically now. And make consider now mean
the billionial reign of Christ has already happened. And they

(56:52):
base this theory on the on a really bad interpretation
of Matthew, chapter sixteen, verse eighteen. Matthew sixteen, first eighteen
reason slightly paraphrasing, because I don't have it in front of me. Severely,
I say, unto you, there are some of you standing
here who will not taste death until they see the
Son of Man coming in his kingdom. People who believe

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in preterism interpret that to me. Because Jesus talking to
his of his followers that he was saying that there's
some people who will live, who will not die, who
will live to see him coming in his kingdom. And
they say coming to his kingdom is his second coming.
So he's basically saying that people will be alive to
see him come back in a second coming, which means
that the second coming would have had to have happened
in the first century. Okay, well, what happened in the

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first century, because, and of course it's to his second coming.
The Tribulation proceeds that time, and the tripulation is this
devastating period of time. So what in the first century
resembles the closely resembles, or as close as possible resembles
what might have happened during the tribulation. Well, they seventy
eight D the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman Empire

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by Titus Aspasian, and it was a devastating time. The
three Roban legions came down to Israel. They completely destroyed
your Usom. They destroyed the temple. That's what Jesus was
talking about when his disciples asked the most questions in
Matthew twenty four. They destroyed the temple, They whole sel
slaughtered the Jews. They drove them out of their land.
That was when the diaspora began, which did not end

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until Israel became a nation again. It drove them out
of them. They literally wiped Israel off the map. They
renamed Israel Palestinia, which is Greek for Philistines. They call
it the land of the Philistines, which is where we
get the term of Palestine to this day. Whole other thing,
and so yeah, it's a devastating period of time. So
they said, well that you know, the seven seven last

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years have called the time of Jacob's Trouble. It's a
time where Israel will be judged for rejecting the Messiah,
among other things. Because it and to let them know that, well,
the point of the tribulation for the Jews is so
that they will finally recognize that their Messiah came two
thousand years ago and they'll call for him. But anyway,
it's focused on Israel. So the preterors say, well, this
must be it. So that means that Jesus must have

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come at the around seventy a d. Because that's when
all these devastating things happen. The problem is, of course,
there's no evidence for it. Since there's no evidence that
Jesus came back, no one decided to jot down the
greatest bit in the history, and the seventy a d
does not really match all the devastation of the tribulation
and that they say, well, it had to have happened,
so it must be. It must not be literal. It

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must be symbolic. Again, the rivers and ocean's turning. The
blood is symbolic. The demonic armies, that's symbolic. The Antichrist,
well tied insipasion must have been the Antichrist, even though
he didn't claim, even though he didn't do anything the
anti Christ said he was going to do, even though
the Bible says he's going to do. He didn't institute
the market of the beast, it must be symbolic. It
must have happened because Jesus clearly said that he would return.

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To a lack of confidence disciples. Here's a problem with that.
It's a really poor interpretation for the reasons we talked
about before. First of all, context Matthew sixteen is not
talking about second coming. Matthew sixteen, if you read it,
that section is not about eschatology. Jesus is not talking
about the future. If you read that set of Matthew
twenty eight excuse you, Matthew sixteen excuse me up to

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him before verse eighteen, Jesus is talking about the Christian life.
That passage begins with the famous words, but Jesus says,
if any man come after me, let him take up
his cross and follow me. Jesus is talking about the
life of the Christian. It's going to be a difficult life.
You have to take up your cross and follow me. However,
he says, you will be rewarded, and I have the
authority to reward you. Please read it yourself. He says,

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the Christian life will be difficult. I have the authority
to reward you. And then he says in Matthew chapter
in sixteen eighteen, he says, there are those of you
standing here today who will not taste definitely see me
coming in his kingdom. Let's look at those words. And
in my video on the Little Season actually put the
literal the interlinear Bible section on the screen showing what

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the interpretation of that word kingdom is. It is not
mean his second coming kingdom. That word kingdom is the word.
It's the Greek word bsalia. Basalia says, right there, not
a literal kingdom. It means royal authority. And again I
have it on the screen in that video. I even
circle it. So who says, not a literal kingdom, basalia

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means royal authority. So what Jesus is actually saying is
that there are some of you standing here who will
live to see me appear in my royal authority. So
it wrap it up. The Christian life will be difficult,
you will be rewarded. I have the authority to give
you that reward, and some of you will see me
coming and appearing in that authority. Again, the pretorists believe

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that happens forty years later, in seventy eight, and they
tease futurists like myself, saying, oh Jesus, you believe Jesus
is still waiting two thousand years. It only took him
thirty years. Actually, preterists, you're wrong. It didn't only take
him forty It didn't take it took him less than
forty years. It actually took him six days. How do
I know that? Easy? You know what comes after? Matthew
chapter sixteen, Matthew chapter seventeen. You know what happened in

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Matthew chapter seventeen, the Transfiguration, where he takes his three
to his disciples, a subset of the ones who are
standing there, and he is transfigured before them. He appears
in his royal authority. So Jesus says, Prisian life's going
to be hard. I have the authority to give you
a reward. Some of you are going to see me

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standing in my appearing in my authority. Six days later,
some of them standing there sees Jesus appear in his
royal authority in his transfiguration. Prophecy solved done. Prophecy fulfills,
not after forty years or two thousand years, after six
days as the easy what's a COM's razor? That is

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the rhetorical idea that the simplest explanation is probably the
correct one. If Jesus says some of you are going
to see me in my royal authority, and then six
days later some of them see him in his royal authority,
isn't that much more simple and direct than trying to
wedge all the events of the tribulation into an event
forty years later that doesn't fit it at all, and

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then trying to wedge the second, the millennial reign of
Christ into a thousand years of e raised history. What
makes what's easier to understand? What makes more sense? What's simpler?
Jesus appeared six days later, exactly as he said he would,
or all these things happened with no evidence for them.

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A thousand year kingdom occurred with no evidence that never
lasting kingdom happened. But then it's even though it's everlasting,
Jesus left, or he's gone, or he's in his or
he's in a hobbit hole at the north Pole waiting
for Satan to do something that he is showing no
signs that he's doing. What makes more sense? That's really

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the longest short of it. Yeah, I mean you said
before you know Satan can't win. You're right, he can't win.
He knows he can't win. But I think Satan's goal
is not to win, as you said. His goal is
to see that God loses as much as possible. And
what does God want? God wants us all to dwell
with him. God wants us all to be with him.

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So what Satan can say is, well, I may not win,
but I can get as many people as possible to
be deceived so that they do they don't join you.
And that's why deceptions like this are so dangerous, because
this is Satan winning, not winning per se, but Satan
racking up some losses against God. God will not get
everything he wants because God wants every human who's ever

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been born to be with him. They want and Satan says,
I want to make things as hard for you as possible,
and that's what he does with deceptions, and this is
a deception. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Just my final sort of thoughts on it. So what
people need to understand is, Have've got sort of two
things I want to say. So the occasion of Paul
right into the Faft Salonians, it was to correct some
errors regarding the end times, and it was some believers
had heard false teachers, and among one of these falsehoods

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was that the day of the Lord has already come.
So there we go that heresy was going around when
Paul the Apostle was walking Earth. The second thing I
want to say is is that this pratorism is basically
what the little season comes from. Solomon said, there's nothing

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new under the sun, so we need to keep that
in mind. This Pratorism is from the Chunter Reformation, and
it's a Jesuit heresy. Lewis de Alcazar, I don't know
if that's his correct name, but is a Jesuit priest
and he was the prominent peatesst expositor of prophecy. And

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it's a Roman Catholic Jesuit heresy. So for all you
guys out there who were Protestants and believe in in
the Little Season, you need to understand that its roots
are from a Jesuit priest. It's nothing new under the sun.
It's just an old heresy that's been repackaged to deceive people.

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And it's now become popular online and there's you know,
there's guys out there making a living off this now.
And I think we've said all we need to say.
I mean, it's been fascinating talking to you. Yeah, got
real quick. I just want to back up something you
just said and the reason. So why would this be

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something that it's proposed that that is that is applicated
and promulgated by the Catholic hierarchy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Keep in mind that they are the most as a group,
they are the most amillennial but able, I mean people
who do not applicated an actual millennial. Why because the ideas,
as my old mentor shock Mister would say, the idea
of Jesus coming down and overturning the evil rulers of
the world wouldn't be very popular with the evil rulers

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of the world. And Catholicism has ruled the world for
a long time even to this day, not as overtly
as they did during medieval periods and since then, but
through banking and through all their other proxies, they still
rule the world. So the idea of Jesus coming and
his kingdom is not something that they want people looking
forward to. So it will make sense to them to say, hey,

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it's not coming, don't look forward to it. Either it
doesn't exist, or it's already happened. And if it's already happened,
we're now looking for it. And I think that's really
important people to keep in mind. Just piggybacking on what
you just said, because I thought what you said was
really important understanding the origin of these things and the
motivation for why people would not want us to believe
that we have any place in the future in the

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coming Kingdom of Christ, because they want their kingdom to
last forever, not Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
If people thought the Roman Empire had disappeared, it hasn't.
It's just morphed into the Vatican. If people think the
British Empire has disappeared, think again. The City of London,
the square mile, the most powerful square mile on earth.
All the money runs through their three cities, Washington, d C,
the Vattigan and the City of London ruled the world.

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Then three cities. Empires don't disappear, They just change into
something else, just like these old harrises. They morphed into
something they repackaged, just as like this little season is
preachers and repackaged.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yeah, the Vatican is the religious center, London is a
financial center. In DC is a military center.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
That's right, absolutely, And if if that sounds a bit
bizarre to some people, I'm surprised. If a lot of
my listeners want to heard this, I would imagine most
of them have. But if you haven't, look into it.
Empire of the City, Vattigan, City of London, Washington, DC.
And it's been fantastic talking to you. So just before

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we go, just remind people where they can connect within.
Just tell people what you're up to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Absolutely, So the best place to reach me is Faith
by Reason dot net, dot com dot net. There you
will find hundreds of hours of the things I put up, blogs, podcasts, videos.
I'm starting a Patreon pretty soon that's going to take
even deeper dives into things like this. I mostly do
verse by verse studies and fundamentals of the Christian faith,
but in my patreon, we're going to do there's going
to be on bonus content that's going to talk about

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things like this and things are even more esoteric. And
there's also going to be a monthly live Bible study
were to go through the entire Bible in a year,
in just an hour a month, and something people been
asking me for. It'll be a live thing and it'll
be so you'll be able to get that if you
want my Patreon, So just look forward to that or
Faith by Reason.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Well brilliant stuff. Fank said. So, guys, you've you know
what Adds said, and I've chipped in a little bit
regarding this little season. Like I said, we've talked about
it before on it, but I'll just wanted to bring
ed on because we're a little bit concerned how much
traction this thing's getting and like I've said before, this
podcast is about getting to the truth. So thanks again Ed.

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I'm Paul, and this is beyond the paradigm my crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
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