Reloaded Ep 25: NASA and The CIA with Bart Sibrel

Do you believe that Man has landed on the moon? After this Episode your view may be changed. Prepare to hear evidence from an expert on the Apollo 11 mission, Bart Sibrel. Bart is an filmmaker, Author and investigative journalist. He has produced documentaries called "a funny thing happened on the way to the moon" and "Astronauts gone wild". Listen to Bart as he recounts his story of when Buz Aldrin punched him and he was kidnapped by the CIA and more shocking details surrounding the Apollo 11 mission. This is an Episode not to be missed.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alone will come to beyond the paradigm. This is a
reloaded episode from October twenty seventh, twenty twenty three, with
Bort Sebrel. In this episode, obviously we're going to be
talking about the moon landing. Any of you that are
familiar with Bart, you'll know that he is a proponent
that we didn't land on the Moon. As am I

(00:22):
and Bot is a director, a producer, and a writer. Basically,
he makes documentaries and he's made a couple of documentaries
that some of you may have seen or heard about,
one called A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to
the Moon, an Astronaut's Gone Wild and investigation into the
authenticity of the Moon landings. Bort is a fascinating guest.

(00:45):
He's also after this so I interviewed him first, but
at a later date he was on the Joe Rogan podcast.
So he has been on the biggest podcast out there
being interviewed by Joe Rogan, and I've had him on
since then as well. He's been on twice on this podcast.
And he's a friendly guy to speak to and he's

(01:07):
got interesting things to say, and he's done a lot
of research into the moon landings.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
So this is the.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Reloaders episode with Bot, Sebrel, NASA and the CIA.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
We choose to go to the Moon and this decay
and do the other thing not because they are easy,
but because they are hard, because that goal will serve
to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills,
because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept.
One we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend

(01:46):
to win.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
One all fair for man.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
One.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Welcome to the show. Bot, Thank you for joining me.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Sure, Paul, how are you?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm good? Thank you. I hope you're well bought. Thanks
very much. I've been familiar with your work for some time,
and I watched again the documentary A Funny Thing Happened
on the Way to the Moon. I've watched it a
number of years ago, but I refreshed my memory today.
So my first question is a very simple question, and

(02:30):
I think I know the answer. Well, I'm certain I
know the answer to this one. But without a shadow
of a doubt, you do not believe that we have
landed on the Moon, that the Apollo level mission was
a hoax.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, yeah, I know for a fact that it was
a hoax. You can go to my website Sobral dot
com as is insam ib as in boy or el
Sobral dot com and you can see all the proof
right there on the home page, including the confession of
the son of the man who was the chief of

(03:05):
security at Cannon Air Force Base, who as he was nine,
said that he murdered a coworker and when he was
asked why he murdered this person, he said to cover
up the moon landing fraud, which both of them I
witnessed at Cannon Air Force Base in nineteen sixty eight.
So we really have four times the proof necessary that

(03:26):
the Moon missions, unfortunately were indeed falsified. The second proof
is mainly today we're talking about with fifty years of
better technology, the farthest that NASA can send an astronaut
into space is only one thousandth the distance to the Moon.
So what they're really claiming is, in nineteen sixty nine,

(03:48):
when all of NASA's computers combined had one millionth the
competing power of a cell phone, they sent astronauts on
the first attempt ahead a schedule a thousand times farther
than they can send them today with fifty years better
rockets and computers. So what they're really saying is that
for the first time in the history of the world,

(04:10):
technology was better a thousand times better in the past
than in the future. But that's a scientific and historic impossibility.
So logically, you can't have a thousand times better technology
fifty years ago than you can today. That's impossible. So
that proves it. Then we have shadows intersecting at ninety degrees,

(04:32):
which are on the homepage of saberi dot com when
sunlight is parallel. I mean you can prove the Moon
missions are fake with one photograph of shadows intersecting at
ninety degrees from objects five feet apart. Just go outside
in sunlight and you'll see you and your friend, or
two trees or two telephone poles. The shadows never intersect.

(04:54):
The only way they can is with electrical light, which
means the pictures were taken on Earth. Proves it. And
then of course we have classified footage and our film.
A funny thing happened on the way to the Moon
where we uncovered the crew of Apollo eleven faking being
halfway to the moon with the one foot model of

(05:14):
the Earth. So this is four times the proof necessary,
and if it weren't for people's emotional attachment like Santa
Claus for adults, they would see the truth for what
it is. And you were telling me before this began,
I hope you don't mind we bringing it up. But
your wife is reluctant to believe in quote conspiracy theories,

(05:36):
but she does know that the moon missions were fake.
And what came to mind listening to you tell that is,
if you were to pick the poster child for conspiracy theories,
it would be the faking of the moon landing. In fact,
when Susan what's her name from YouTube CEO talked about
censorship is a good thing and we want more censorship,

(06:00):
she said, the number one thing that proves that we
need censorship is people saying the moon missions are fake.
So they're censoring the truth. So what does that leave
you except a bunch of lies that are up there.
So if the poster child of conspiracy theories, the fake
moon landing, is in fact falsified, then what does that

(06:24):
tell you about the rest of them? In fact, they
think what was his name? Tucker Carlson said when he
first heard that the NSA was spying on the private
phone calls of the United States President. He said that
was as absurd as the moon landings being fake, and
that ended up being true. So what does it tell
you about the moon landings? And I'm not a conspiracy theorist,

(06:46):
believe it or not. When someone said Kim trails, I
rolled my eyes and I'm like, oh, give me a break.
That would be so obvious. And then I realized they
haven't looked up at the sky in years. I went
through a period of months where I woke up before sunrise.
I don't live anywhere near the airport. I go outside
and there's a grid in the sky twenty eight days

(07:08):
out of thirty in a month. That widens and wines
and whinings, widens into this carpet that covers the sky.
And they were doing it under cover of night, finishing
up their work at sunrise. And that ended up being true.
And it's like, oh, my gosh. And so the world
is run by a bunch of liars. And you mentioned
you know, your belief in God. And I remember going

(07:31):
to a church on a Wednesday night where it's a
little more interactive, and the preacher's saying, Who's Lord of
the Earth, and everyone's like Jesus, and he's like wrong.
Read your Bible, Luke. Chapter four. Lucifer took Jesus to
a mountaintop and showed them all the kingdoms of the
world and said, if he bowed down and worship Lucifer,

(07:52):
the Father of lies, he would give them all the
kingdoms of the world because they belonged to Lucifer, and
Lucifer appoints they're leaders. That's why our leaders are liars
and murderers and thieves. And so how ironic that mankind's
greatest accomplishment is a lie. And you know you didn't

(08:15):
ask me, but I can't help but go into it.
You know, when I was first asked as a filmmaker
to make a movie about the fake moon landing, I
turned it down. I said, it looks like it's possible
they really did fake it, and I don't want to
risk my life for what Nixon did. No, thank you.
And then later when I started developing a conviction of

(08:37):
right and wrong, and you know, a judgment for how
you live your life just kind of makes sense, doesn't it,
that there's that there's something on the other side. And
then it dawned on me, Paul, if they faked the
moon landing. That is so much more profound than if
they had actually gone. Do you see that, Okay, they

(08:58):
planted a flag on a rock, came back, didn't die. Wow,
what a relief. Or they lied to the whole world.
They put it on coins, they put it on stamps,
they gave them ticker tape parades, they gave them medals
of honor for being such good liars. From the country
that is the most respected, powerful, and the one that

(09:21):
almost every country wants to immigrate too. That's the country
that pulled off the greatest lie. If that's true, which
it is, that is so much more profound than if
they really went to the moon. So what we have here.
What it dawned on me when I found that footage
of them faking being halfway to the moon, is they

(09:42):
really did fake the moon landing. It's not a theory,
it's a fact. And what does that tell you. It's
just a depravity of mankind, and the depravity of the
country that claims to be the savior of the world
is potentially the most wicked because they're the most powerful,

(10:03):
not that every nation or person isn't wicked. The Bible
says that they are. We're all sinners. However, when you
have wickedness with all this power and money, then the
result of the wickedness is greater than any place else
on earth. And when it dawns on. I just remember
when I found that footage of them faking part of

(10:24):
the Moon mission right in front of my eyes, dated
two days into the flight. There's an alarmstrung, there's biz Aldrin,
and there's the third track of audio from the CIA
telling him how to fake it. I'm like, oh my gosh,
they really did fake the moon landing. How sad is that?
It's heartbreaking that this is the state of mankind. And

(10:48):
unlike you know, whoever killed JFK. He's still dead. Whoever
did nine to eleven, they're still dead. This is different.
This is a positive lie that people do not want
to go up. In fact, Paul I talk about this
in my book, which you can get at sabrel dot com.
It's audio. I read it myself, Kinderler print. I interviewed

(11:10):
a college professor who teaches aerospace. I showed him all
this proof that the Moon missions were fake. He said, Bart,
there's nothing you could say that would make me recant
the glorious moonlandings. And I said, well, what about this.
What if you saw Buzz Aldrin on National TV tearfully
confessing the moon missions were fake? They were filmed at

(11:31):
Canon Air Force Space, just like Bart said, And I'm
so sorry. The college professor said he would still think
he walked on the Moon anyway. This is what we're
up against. You see, why has it Joe Rogan, Why
hasn't Alex Jones had me on their show with an
eyewitness testimony that is published in my book for the

(11:53):
very first time. That seems odd to me. The number
one thing that would bring down the deep State is
the exposure of the moon lending fraud. And that's according
to NBC News. I showed this tape the NBC News
headquarters in New York City, who flew me to New York,
put me up in the Waldorf for Storia Hotel, paid

(12:15):
me thousands of dollars for the exclusive rights to broadcast
as footage of Apollo eleven faking being halfway to the Moon,
which the NBC News directors said proved beyond any doubt
that they never left earthorbit, meaning the moon missions were fake.
And then they get a call from the federal government
threatening them, and they back down and never broadcast it,

(12:37):
and they want me to sign a nondisclosure agreement you
know that I won't sue them or reveal that they
cowardly changed their mind. You know, this is what we're
up against. It's amazing. And then another news director said
he was going to broadcast it at a local station
and he said, I just can't do it. It'll cause

(12:58):
a civil war. He said, I'm not going to go
down in history as demand who caused a civil war.
And I'm like, well, wait a minute. You're saying, if
we show the public how corrupt the federal government is,
it'll bring an into the corrupt federal government. And you're
afraid of that. Isn't that what's supposed to happen. I

(13:18):
just don't understand this. The media is not doing their job.
There was an independent survey from a nonprofit organization that
surveyed one thousand, five hundred quote independent newspapers, TV stations,
radio stations about the CIA's attempt to get Chavez out
of you know, South America, and all one thousand, five

(13:41):
hundred separate news sentities were one hundred percent in support
of the CIA kicking out a democratically elected political leader,
not one, not one abstaining, not one against it. That's
not possible unless it's completely controlled from the top down.
So my book at sabrel dot com has sixteen interactive

(14:01):
video links which you can see for free. I write
a chapter, then I say go to link one. Write
a chapter, go to link two. One of the links
is of somebody edited together all these news clips of
the same story being read verbatim by ABC, NBC, CBS,
and Fox. It's being read word for word exactly the same.

(14:25):
There is no independent media. It's completely controlled. And when
I bring the scoop of the Century to NBC News,
who agrees it proves that the moon missions are fake,
they can't even broadcast it because of the federal government
threatens them. This is the situation that we're stuck on.
So back to you, Paul, that's my introduction.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, you raised a great point when you said when
you went to set up meeting on the Wednesday night
at the church, and people were saying that the lords,
the Lord of the earth book obviously our Lord even
says of the devil that he is the prince of
this world. And he said of him obviously that he's
a liar and a murderer from the beginning and there's
no truth in him. And like you said, swit's no

(15:07):
surprise that the leaders of these nations are liars and
murderers also, And I think that I think, I think
it's so shocking that people just can't accept it.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's it's it's too big.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
A lie for them to like, like you said, you
mentioned the college professor who's so entrenched in his position
that even if buzz Aldrin was to recant publicly, still
wouldn't believe it. I mean, like you said, it's just
completely irrational and illogical. But when when it just sort
of reversing a little bit, When did it actually begin

(15:39):
for you this journey, Because I know that I've listened
to a few of your podcasts. You've been in Food
on Anything, and you was an actual fan, wasn't you.
I mean, like buzz Aldrey and Neil Armstrong, they were
like heroes of yours, I believe. So when did it
actually begin where you began to go, hang on, this
isn't all what it seems.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, I mean that should be a good testimony in
and of itself, because I'm open minded. I'm looking for
the truth. I'm willing to be wrong. It so amazes
me people don't want to be wrong. Being wrong is
great because number one, you're not walking around in error,
and number two, you're learning something new. I went from

(16:19):
being the biggest moon landing fan, probably in the country.
My father worked for the United States Air Force, and
mind you, the fake moon landing was filmed at a
United States Air Force base because they supervised the thinking
of the moon landing. I was four years old at
the time of sleep in bed. However, afterwards, my father,

(16:42):
being a high ranking officer, got a VIP package of
nine by twelve colored prints of Apollo eleven gave them
to me. It became my most valued possession. Of course,
we moved every two years, but wherever I moved there
they were altogether in a prominent spot on each bedroom
wall from house to house. As I moved, I looked
at them every single day. So that's you know, from

(17:05):
the age of four to fourteen, but three thousand and six,
centerd and fifty times, totally believing that they were real
and mesmerized. How you know, it's like, Wow, it's Star Wars,
Star Trek and about just about as real. So then
I'm fourteen and I watching a TV show and there's
a guy on there who worked for NASA for six

(17:26):
years with super high security clearance, said that he read
a memo from von Braun to the Pentagon telling them
going to the Moon is impossible, that if they try,
there's only a one in ten thousand chance of succeeding
on the first attempt. And he said they faked it,
like having crappy cards in poker. They just bluffed. And

(17:47):
I'm thinking, oh, that's interesting. Never thought of that. I
wasn't like the cose professor saying, how dare you say that?
I'm anna open minded fourteen year old. So I go
back look at the pictures again, and it's amazing. I
never knew noticed. And of course they've color corrected the
pictures online, but the original prints, if you can get them,
the soil of the moon is a caramel brown color

(18:09):
and the backgrounds are gray ast blue, kind of giving
away when the fake backgrounds begin. Now they've color corrected it,
and the soil is greatest blue, but that's not actually
the color of the moon. So I saw pretty distinctly
all of a sudden when I looked at them critically.
They were fake backdrops, and I'm like, huh, that interesting,

(18:31):
I've ever thought of that. Fast forward ten years. By
the age of twenty four, I had become a filmmaker. Now,
filmmaker's job is to make fake scenes look real, right,
And as the Lord would have it, I was editing
one day for the guy who produced the show that
I saw ten years earlier as a fourteen year old,

(18:51):
and I'm like, who was that guy on your show
said the moon missions were fake? It's like, I don't know,
but call the San Francisco office. I did. They said
there were days away from discarding ten year old inventory
to make room for new projects. I found out who
he was contacting him, and he's the one who suggested
that I make a movie about it, and I turned

(19:12):
it down. I've said, this looks like it could have
been faked, and I don't want to risk my life
looking into this. However, once I started reading the Bible
and studying the meaning of life, that I'm going to
die anyway, and that if they faked it that's more
significant than if they'd actually gone. I realized this is

(19:32):
an important truth for mankind to know. Days later, as
serendipity would have it, I meet a person multimillionaire who
builds rockets for NASA, who knows that it's fake, who
gave me a million dollars to produce my films A
Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon and
Astronauts Gone Wild, which you can see for free at

(19:54):
sibrel dot com. And I'm producing the film under the
theory it might be true that they faked it. And
three and a half years into the seven year project,
I pop in a tape it says, don't show to
the public on the screen, and it's an unedited reel
of one special effect shot of allegedly Earth floating in

(20:17):
space and ends up being a one foot model. And
I'm like, oh my gosh, they're faking being halfway to
the moon. And I'm like, well, let me make sure
get this right. If they're faking being halfway to the moon,
it means they can't go halfway. And if they can't
go halfway to the Moon, then they can't go to

(20:37):
the moon, right, and that means they can't leave Earth orbit.
There's some reason that limits them from leaving her thorbit.
There's multiple reasons and We go into that in my
book and in my movie. And then of course all
the missions had identical equipment. So if you're nineteen sixty
nine Volkswagen can't go five hundred miles an hour, then

(20:59):
none of them get me. They all were fake. In fact,
the infamous ninety degree shadow photograph is from the quote
last mission to the Moon. Once people accepted that they
were on the Moon even though they weren't, it was
actually easier to fake the later missions. So that's why
mannikins were orbiting the Moon today. I mean, think about it.

(21:22):
They can play golf and drive cars on the Moon
in nineteen sixty nine, but today they can only send
mannikins to orbit the Moon. And one of the interactive
clips at sebral dot com is nasa'szone engineer in his
late twenties saying that the radiation field that starts at

(21:42):
one thousand miles above the earth thirty thousand miles thick.
Every space mission Skylab, Space Shuttle, Gemini, Mircley is well
below that except going to the Moon. You'd have to
go through it. He says, it's deadly radiation, and then
he says the technology necessary for an astronaut to go
through it to the Moon and back and survive has

(22:05):
yet to be invented. Oh well, that's why there's Mannequin's
orbiting in the Moon. You can't have a thousand times
better space traveling technology for astronauts in nineteen sixty nine
than you can today. NASA has never kept a schedule,

(22:26):
not a single time in their entire history. In fact,
just to put a telescope into Earth orbit with twenty
years better technology than the Apollo spacecraft, they were ten
years behind schedule. The only time they kept a schedule
was the most complicated mission of all time that they
had never done before. It just boggles the mind. People

(22:49):
can't see the truth for what it is. It's like
trying to take candy away from a child and give
them a plate of manure instead, and they'll just fight you.
They want that candy. So my film, A Funny Thing
Happened on the Way to the Moon. It opens up,
believe it or not, with the Tower of Babel, because
until a couple hundred years ago, for thousands of years,

(23:10):
the height of technology was simply the tallest building. It
says in Genesis six the reason why they built it
was to boast, was to show off to beat their
neighbors tallest building, and it was never finished. And then
we showed the Titanic, the largest machine built by the
human hand, in nineteen twelve, and it said in a

(23:32):
poster about the ship that it was the ship that
God himself could not sink. Never finished either, never made
one voyage. And then Tricky Dick Nixon, when he knew
they were not on the moon, said, putting a man
on the moon is second in greatness to the creation

(23:52):
of the universe. You see, it's a common thread here
of mankind's the greatest technological boast, boasting beyond what it
can actually do. And you know, I hope the truth
comes out, and maybe that's what it's destined to do.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I think sometimes, let's say there's a couple who got married.
They're madly in love with one another, and six weeks
into the marriage, one of them's at a convention gets
drunk as of one night stand. They could come home
and immediately tell their spouse, look, I did this, I'm sorry.
You can divorce me if you want. Or imagine the

(24:37):
alternative they tell them on their fiftieth anniversary, which has
a greater impact. Maybe the fiftieth anniversary, after all those
years of believing fidelity when it was true. Maybe the
revealing of the moon landing fraud is divinely inspired to

(24:58):
be delayed so that the more people believe it, the
greater the shock. Because it was a shock to me
when I saw them faking being halfway to the moon.
I finally accepted, yes, they did fake it. And it's
just heartbreaking, not for the US so much as mankind
in general. How sad it was an unnecessary lie. We

(25:21):
could have just told the truth. Why not say, look,
we set a goal, it can't be done. We don't
have the technology yet. What this means is that our
leaders are juvenile, right, and then they're murderers. One of
the chapters in my book at sebrel dot com, kindle,
print or audio, which I read myself, the second to

(25:44):
the last chapter is called NASA's Greatest Fear. There's a
lot of information in the book that's not in the movie.
The book is new, the movie's twenty years old, including
my interview with Apollo astronauts relatives, the relatives of the
man who was going to be the first man to

(26:04):
walk on the moon. His widow told me that her
husband was murdered the CIA because he was a whistleblower.
You see that. It'd be one thing if they faked
the moon landing and didn't kill anybody, then you might
even appreciate their genius, like the people who tunnel from
the dry cleaner into the bank fault right and get

(26:28):
away with the goal. But not if they kill three
guards who were newly married with young children. And so
this is their problem because as soon as the truth
about the Apollo fraud comes out, the investigation into the
deaths of these astronauts who were going to be that's
going to happen next. And our country was founded because

(26:52):
King George was a threat. According to the Declaration of Independence,
he was a threat to life, liberty and the person
suit of happiness. Well, what's the first one in life?
We have the federal government murdering their own people to
cover up their crimes. Not my opinion, the opinion of
the dead man's who is one hundred percent convinced that

(27:14):
her Apollo astronaut husband was murdered by the CIA for
not cooperating with fraud. Okay, And then you have Bobby
Kennedy Junior, who has more access to the JFK Files
than Oliver Stone. He says he's one hundred percent convinced
that his uncle, President Kennedy was murdered by the CIA.

(27:37):
How about that? And then we have Robert mcnamura, Defense
secretary the Vietnam War, saying on his deathbed that the
whole reason the Vietnam War was started, the Pearl Harbor
incident known as the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. They
made that up. He realized. Congress passed a law called

(27:58):
the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution because CIA manipulated them into
passing legislation that's highly illegal. That led to the death
of three million people, including fifty two hundred twenty of
their own citizens. So I think if the federal government
is willing to massacre fifty eight thousand of their own soldiers,

(28:20):
murder their own president, I think they're willing to take
an image of the moon on television and you realize
this is the state of our country and the world.
It's pathetic and the truth will make you free. Right,
we have to know that we have cancer, otherwise we're

(28:44):
going to die from it and needs to hit the
road soon or these tyrants are just emboldened to keep
doing more and more crimes against their own people.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's one thing springs to mind when you were talking.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm afraid I last Yeah, go ahead now hear yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Sorry, it says it's unstable.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
One thing as you were talking then that come to
mind was what's done in the darkness will be brought
to the light. And that's definitely gonna happen. And like
you said, it's not a case that they've just faked it.
People's been murdered, like you was mentioning in the widow
and now believe that's Gus Grissom's wife. You're speaking of
the Apollo one, and it's just shocking. Like you said,

(29:56):
it's sad. It's heartbreaking. Really, it's not just that the
fact that they faked this moonl on. The people have died,
but what well.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, In fact, as I'm editing my book, I'm put
in touch with the son of Cyrus Eugene Acres, whose
father I witnessed the filming of Apollo eleven at his
Air Force base in nineteen sixty eight. He stood beside
President Johnson while they filmed Apollo eleven at Cannon Air
Force Base June first, second and third of nineteen sixty

(30:28):
eight at Clovis, New Mexico Air Force Base, and he
confessed that he murdered a co worker to keep it
a secret because his coworker thought it was morally wrong.
He was going to tell a reporter and he murdered
him to cover it up. He also gave us a
list of fifteen people who were there as VIP guests

(30:51):
of President Johnson. President Johnson gave him a list of
fifteen people who were allowed in the visitor's door to
observe the fake Moonlandan filming. And some of these people
are still alive, and I published that list in my book,
two of whom have been verified to have been at
Canon Air Force Base. So there you go, and you

(31:14):
would think this would be breaking news. I mean, it
made the news rounds that a guy who never personally
saw aliens, never personally saw UFOs, but someone told them
that they were real. He makes it to the news center.
So you would think, you know, a guy saying my
father died and said he saw the filming of the

(31:36):
moon landing at can An Air Force Base. Here's the
list of fifteen people from President Johnson, and you can
verify that at least two people were there at the time.
You would think that would make the news. But I
guess they want you to believe in aliens which are
probably fake, right, and they don't want you to know
about the fake things that are true. You see. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Mean it's just mind boggling. But is there a single
piece of evidence that convince you or was it like
a combination of things that you looks at pieces of
evidence that convence you. Was there something that just stood
out where you went, Yeah, that's that's it, that's the
smoking gum for me.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well, really, you could prove that the moon landings are
fake in a court of law with the one picture.
Go to sebrel dot com, click on the video. I
think it says moon landing fraud in three minutes. You
can't have shadows intersecting in sunlight and ninety degrees form
object five feet apart. Go to a go to a courtroom,

(32:38):
take the jury outside on a sunny day with no clouds,
and see if you can get two objects five feet
apart to have their shadows intersected ninety degrees. You can't, Okay,
so you're just proven that this picture was taken with
electrical lighting. Then you go into the courtroom, which generally
don't have windows, turn out the lights, bringing in a spotlight,

(33:00):
and you'll see if one person is standing to the
left of it, the shadow is in one direction, one
person stands to the right of it, the shadows in
another direction. You just proved in a court of law
that the picture they claims on the Moon in sunlight
was taken with electrical light, which means it was taken
on Earth, which means they didn't go to the Moon.
So you can legally prove it with one photograph from

(33:20):
Apollo seventeen. Now, for me personally, it was that footage
of them faking being halfway to the Moon that is
in the film A Funny Thing Happened on the Way
to the Moon, which is on the homepage of sibrel
dot com. You can watch it for free. I found
a classified tape of the crew of Apollo eleven using
a one foot model of the Earth to pretend it's

(33:43):
floating in space, dated two days into the flight. They're
all identified on camera, and we have a third track
of audio of the CIA telling him to fake a
four second radio delay to make it appear that they're
beyond Earth orbit. When they stayed in Earth orbit the
entire time. That's what convinced me. That was the epiphany
for me. Some people say it's their expressions of the

(34:06):
crew at their one press conference they gave after the event,
where they look like they're at the funeral of their
mother for an entire hour, rather than the victors and
the winning locker room of the super Bowl. You know,
people say, you know, you can tell on their faces
their line and wish they weren't doing it. Other people
it's the radiation belt. I mean, we have a NASA

(34:29):
employee saying the technology necessary for an astronaut to leave
Earth orbit on a trip to the Moon, that that
technology has yet to be invented. He says it out
of his own mouth. And this is why they're mannikins
orbiting the Moon in the most recent Moon mission, because

(34:50):
a human can't do it and survive the radiation. This
is NASA's own admission. It's one of the free clips
at sibrel dot com. There's so much proof that they
didn't go. And of course, like I said before, we
have an eyewitness who said he saw them filming Apollo
eleven at his base, and then he even murdered somebody

(35:12):
to cover it up. I don't think you'd make that
stuff up as you were dying unless it was true.
And then again, you can't travel a thousand times farther
into space with nineteen sixty nine technology on the first attempt,
then you can fifty years later. You can't have greater
technology in the past and in the future. I mean
when the atomic bomb was blown up in nineteen forty five,

(35:35):
just ten years later atomic bombs were one thousand times
more powerful. So if you go to the Moon on
the first attempt with one million at the computing power
with cell phone, we would have been on Mars ten
years later. We'd be in another solar system by now,
and there'd be bases all over the Moon. There are
bases at the South Pole, which, by the way, on

(35:56):
Earth took about six attempts to reach the South Pole,
and that's here on Earth. It took six attempts, right,
and it's one hundred mile per hour winds one hundred
degrees below zero, and there are bases there because it's
humanly possible. If it were humanly possible to go to
the Moon, there would be bases there. There aren't bases

(36:18):
there because it can't be done right. You can't have
people playing golf and driving cars on the moon in
nineteen sixty nine, and the best you can do today
is have mannequin's orbit and not people even land. I mean,
come on, people, wake up. What more proof do you need?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I was what, like I said earlier, I was
watching your documentary again, which had seen a number of
years ago, and I was looking at the footage of
them supposedly on the moon, and I'm just like, how
can anyone even believe this? Now in twenty twenty three,
we'll look at these grainy images. How can anyone just
look at it and think, yeah, yeah, they definitely went.
But for me, I think there was a couple of

(36:58):
reasons why I didn't believe it. It there's a number
of reasons now, but I think the one for me
was the Van Allen Belt, the radiation. I thought, well,
it's gonna kill them, the kind of gone, the fact
that the technology they just didn't have the technology.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
It was just that simple.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
And like you mentioned about the astronauts, like they look
like in the press conference.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
After they looked like they were a funeral.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
And I watched that again today and it was just like,
these guys here definitely look like the guilty of a
massive lie, like you can see it written all over them.
And actually it's actually my next question. You obviously had
an encounter with Buzzolgen, which is quite a famous encounter

(37:41):
where buzz actually are salted you, which when I saw that,
I thought, why would he react like that if he's
not lying? Could you talk us through that encounter that
you had were bulls?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well? I had visited Japan a couple of times. They
were more open minded than Americans to the Moon missions
being falsified. They wrote a book about my beliefs. I
think I sold the book rights to them. I was
interviewed by a couple of TV stations there and they

(38:18):
had arranged an interview with a Japanese crew for buzz
Aldrin and I was their surprise guest, and you know,
see what he would have to say. And like you
said there, Paul, if I walked on the Moon and
someone thought it was all done in a TV studio,
I would find that hysterically funny. I'm like, really, you

(38:39):
think you were telling a TV studio? Are you okay?
You want me to swear in a Bible? Sure? With
two or three bibles. You can stack them up. That'll
make you, you know, believe it better. I'll be glad
to do that. But the way he reacted was like
I went up to him in front of his wife
and said, oh, your mistress. She says hello. You see
a sword with no point causes no injury. He got

(39:02):
mad because it was true. I pointed out his criminality
in front of his entourage where he was being treated
like a hero when he's a trader. Now, I didn't
wake up that morning planning on calling buzz Aldrin a coward,
a liar, and a thief. However, and of course he

(39:23):
didn't wake up that morning saying I can't wake the
punch bart. But you know, the heat got turned up,
and you know, I've been a coward, I've been a liar.
I've been a thief myself. We had actually had an
interview with him prior to that. Now, both of these
encounters are in my follow up film Astronauts Gone Wild,

(39:45):
which you can see for free at sibrel dot com.
The first interview, I had two cameras set up a
TV monitor and I showed him the footage we uncovered
of him faking being half way to the moon with
the one foot model. He was shocked. He said, where
did you get this footage? And I said, you know, serendipity.

(40:08):
And then he said, oh, and this makes me a
famous person for having discovered like this. What an ego
I must have to want to, you know, make my
name as a journalist. Well, how could I become famous
if I'm wrong? So he's admitting that this does prove
they did not go to the moon. So and then

(40:28):
he said, we were just passengers on a flight talk
to the administrator of NASA. This was his defense of
faking the moon landing. Well, a passenger doesn't land on
the Moon, they just work at the Earth. So we
have two admissions, one him saying I was correct, right,
I can't become famous if I'm incorrect. And secondly he

(40:50):
said he was a passenger, he and Neil Armstrong and
not pilots, meaning they just orbited the Earth under the
control of NASA. And when he realized he made two
missions of his guilt, he threatened to assume me if
I showed those admissions publicly, which of course we do anyway.
So it was not the first time I had met

(41:10):
BUTZZ when I met him there in Beverly Hills, and
so I think I was like a thorn in his side.
He had spent most of his life without question. You know,
it's just sad that the people we think are heroes
are not only not heroes. It would be different if, like,

(41:30):
you know, somebody allegedly rescued a baby from a burning
building and he ended up not really doing it. But
this is different. It's even beyond that. He's actually a trigger.
He's using our tax dollars to deceive the public and
to murder people. When Betty Grissom says that her husband,

(41:52):
who was going to be the first man to walk
on the moon, who wouldn't cooperate with the moon landing fraud,
was murdered by the CIA. Well, who paid the salaries
of those CIA agents, who paid for the hardware that
they used to kill you know, Virgil Grissom. The taxpayers did,
so we're giving them. I think in today's dollars, it's

(42:14):
gone up to two hundred and fifty billion dollars to
not only deceive us about the moon landing, but to
murder people. We're paying for our fellow countrymen to be murdered.
We're paying the salaries of the people who are killing
our neighbors. Does anyone think that's a little odd? When

(42:35):
William Benny, who worked from the NSA for thirty years
and upper management, goes on national TV a few years
ago and says, oh, by the way, we spy on
the private cell phoned conversations of Supreme Court justices in
order to get sexual and financial dirt on them so

(42:55):
we can blackmail them to vote the way we tell
them contradicts this. Not a single government agency stepped forward
and said that's not true. It's an established fact, and
not a single investigation by the FBI, the Justice Department,
or Congress and to Supreme Court justices being blackmailed by

(43:18):
the intelligence agencies, who mister Schumer says, have six ways
from Sunday to assassinate you literally or reputationally. Right, everyone
is so afraid of these people that they admit they're
blackmailing Supreme Court justices and not a single investigation. You
don't find that odd that when it comes out that

(43:41):
Bernie Sanders is repeatedly getting more votes than Hillary Clinton,
but she's getting more delegates anyway, that the whole thing
is a scam. The FBI doesn't go after vote rigging.
They go after the person who leaked the vote rigging.
No one finds that odd. I just don't understand this.

(44:05):
What is going on? I guess if people are spending
so much time watching television, more people spend time watching
television than they do at work every week. Do you
realize that they spend more time watching television than they
do at their own jobs. How is their time left
over to go to the dry cleaner, fix your car,

(44:26):
and spend a few minutes with your kids, and then
left over to make the world a better place. They
literally are hypnotizing people. People say the number one reason
why the moon landings must be real is the government
wouldn't lie about such an important thing. And then secondly,
I know it's real because I saw it on television.

(44:48):
I mean, wow, this is what we're up against. But
the hope is that the truth will come out. I mean,
imagine that. Imagine that, Paul. Right now, our phones are
in we're getting an emails. You know, stop what you're doing.
You gotta turn on CNN. We turn it on. It's
one of the Apollo astronauts tearfully confessing the moon missions

(45:08):
are fake. It's an established known fact. What would that
be like? It would be like a cold glass of
water thrown into the face of the American public. They
wake up, they realize they have been sleep walking their
entire life, and then they look down and they're one
foot away from a cliff. What would happen if the

(45:33):
truth about the moon landing fraud came out? Maybe the
stock market would crash, maybe the dollar would crash. Well,
what can you do if the corrupt federal government comes
down because the corrupt federal government's crimes are exposed, Then
I say that's what's supposed to happen. I mean, you

(45:56):
don't have to fire a single shot to bring down
the corrupt federal government. You just stop giving them your harvest.
We're giving them forty percent of our harvest and they're
using that harvest to deceive us and to murder us.

(46:16):
To stop giving them money. How the beast will die
is starvation?

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Definitely a base bart Definitely, that's a good word to
use about them. So we've been talking obviously about the CIA,
and you've had some runnings with the CIA because you
tell us a little bit about them.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, I mean, this is another reason to get the book.
I figured, you know, the book took like fifteen years
to write, two years just to edit, and I thought,
you know, I'd really like to put this chapter behind
me and move on to God Willing, my first feature film.
But I thought, well, for the historical record, I'm going

(47:29):
to tell some things I haven't said before, including, you know,
my interview with the Pollo astronaut's widow who said her
Apollo astronaut husband was murdered by the CIA. She asked
me not to put that in my film, to wait
until after her death, so now it's in the book.
I also, when I found the footage of them faking

(47:50):
being halfway to the moon, that proved beyond a doubt
to two NBC News directors and skeptical me that they
really did fake the moon landing. I had major, major problems.
I was followed from church that night, and in my
frantic rush to CNN to get the tape to a
reporter friend at CNN, I'm literally surrounded by government agents,

(48:15):
you know at the back door CNN, where I'm abducted,
drugged with true serum, and interrogated where's the original and
where's this? That and the other? I escaped their custody,
made my you know, back to Nashville, and I peed
in a cup. I said, I got them, I got
true serum in I'm going to prove, you know, clinically scientifically,

(48:39):
I was drugged by a drug that only you know,
government spooks would have. So I give it to a
friend to put in a lab in his name, not mine,
and a couple of days later, checking on the lab results,
he says, well, there was a problem at the lab.
I mean, you know what problem said, well, funny thing.
They had a break in over the weekend, and I'm like, yes,

(49:00):
so what he said, Well, funny thing. The only thing
stolen was you'urine sample. So these little X files adventures
I never went into publicly. I'm already asking people to
believe something that's hard to believe, that the government really
did fake the moon landing. So I never mentioned these

(49:21):
little X files exploits of mine, including my car being
tampered with, the brake fluid being drained, and the low
brake fluid light being disconnected, so I wouldn't have a
warning about it that my cruise control was tampered with
so that the accelerator pedal would get stuck and a
residential area and lurched the car forward at eighty miles

(49:42):
an hour. You know what I mean, Weird things like
that I never went into. I said one thing at
a time. However, seeing how hopefully this will be my
final official statement on the matter, I thought I would
disclose everything and lo and behold. As I'm editing the book,
I'm put in touch with the chief of security at

(50:04):
Cannon Air Force Base, who on his death bed said
he I witnessed them film Apollo eleven at Cannon Air
Force Base and Clovis, New Mexico, June first, second and
third of nineteen sixty eight. And when I did investigation
into this, you know all branches of the military, Marines,
you know, Air Force, Army, they all have their intelligence headquarters. Well,

(50:29):
the intelligence headquarters of the United States Air Force is
at Cannon Air Force Base and Clovis, New Mexico. What
a coincidence. Then I pulled out an old recording I
made with that guy who you know, worked for NASA,
who said it was fake, And I'm like, didn't he
bring up the Air Force? And I'm going through my
own archives and he says the whole thing. The faking

(50:50):
of the moon landing was supervised by the United States
Air Force and there it was at an Air Force base.
The headquarters were the Intelligence Division, and there you go.
So we have four times to proof. You can't have
greater technology in the past and in the future. We
have an eyewitness who says he was there when they
filmed it. We have shadows intersecting at ninety degrees which

(51:13):
can only be duplicated with electrical lighting, which means they
took him on Earth. And we uncovered classified footage dated
two days into the flight with the third track of
audio of the CIA of them using a one foot
model of the Earth to pretend they're halfway to the Moon,
which proves, according to two NBC News directors, proof that
they absolutely faked the moon landing. So four times the

(51:37):
proof necessary. If you have an open mind, if you're
willing to be wrong, if you're willing to admit your
country or the world is more corrupt than you dare imagine,
this is the way that it is. This is important.
Mankind cannot go forward. We can't have a great awakening

(51:58):
unless the truth about the moon landing fraud comes out.
This is why Orroill said Whoever controls the past controls
the future. So as long as the corrupt government leaders
are saying about the past that the moon missions were
real when they certainly were not, then those same criminals
will be controlling our future. And that's very dangerous because

(52:23):
they kill their own people and we finance it. You see.
Shouldn't that come to an end? And the exposure of
the moon landing fraud, I believe NBC News believes that
would be the finger out of the dyke. So I
appeal to Joe Rogan Alex Jones to reveal an eyewitness
testimony that Apollo Levin was filmed that Cannon Air Force Base,

(52:47):
according to the security chief who on his deathbed not
only confessed to that, but to murdering a coworker to
cover it up, which would never be confessed unless it
were true.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, final question for them, bought, why do you think
defeates it?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Well, there's a number of reasons. I mean, the first
one was pride. They said they could do something and
they can't do it. You know, it's eating humble pie.
They were prideful, they didn't want to admit that they
made a boast they couldn't do. Then there's a lot
of money, right. I think it's gone up to about
two hundred and fifty billion dollars in today's money. If

(53:30):
they're only orbiting the Earth, which they had already done
numerous times, then they got about seventy five percent of
that money left over while the Vietnam War is going
on to go into Cambodia, Laos and do whatever else
they want to do. Then it was a distraction. Nixon
said that the number one threat to America at the

(53:51):
time wasn't Russia, it wasn't China, was Americans protesting the
Vietnam War, and so you give them pep rally that
is guaranteed to win. In fact, President Johnson came up
with the code name for the faking of the Moon landing.
He called it Project slam Dunk, because if you fake

(54:12):
the Moon mission, you can have a one hundred percent
guarantee the mission will be successful. He called it an
easy slam dunk. So during the protests of the Vietnam War,
you give Americans something to cheer about. And I don't
know if they knew this at the time, but I'm
sure they figured it out. Now that Americans are defending

(54:34):
the lie out of pride? How dare you say that
our team who won the Super Bowl achieved how dare
you say that, well they did cheap, wouldn't you want
to know? And then people are like, well, my uncle
sold popcorn, you know, at the Super Bowl and assures
me it wasn't rigged, And that's proof. Really? I mean

(54:58):
Eugene Krantz, the flight director, who, by the way, is
on the eyewitness list at Cannon Air Force Base, and
I talked to him about his name on that list
not too long ago. He said in the command center
at Houston Control during Apollo eleven that one of those

(55:19):
computer operators could tell no difference whatsoever between a simulation
and an actual flight. So this idea that hundreds of
thousands of people involved in the space program prove it
was real, that just doesn't fly. That's like saying what
a bank teller at Wells Fargo and the CEO of
Wells Fargo know about corruption of the bank are identical.

(55:40):
They're completely different. There's only three eyewitnesses right once they're up.
And if a guy in the command center says he
can't tell the difference between a real flight and a
fake one, how can you tell the difference, right, I
don't care if it involved hundreds of thousands of people.
So did the atomic bomb and only eight knew what
they were making. I mean, do you really think the

(56:01):
CIA is so stupid to tell the person making the
door handle or the glove or the boot or the
space suit. Hey, we're really not going to the moon.
Don't kill anybody. I mean, once the rocket goes up,
how do you know where it is? There's only three
people who know where it is, and the flight director
and von Braun. And that said, if the guys in
command center can't tell the difference between a real flight

(56:23):
and a fake flight, then I say they can fool
hundreds of thousands of people. They did it during the
atomic bomb, they did it during Apollo. That argument doesn't fly,
and neither does you know, the simplest explanation, it's the
true one. People invert that.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
The film, the Martian twenty fifteen film. I don't think
it was filmed on location on Mars. You know why,
because it was simpler to film it on Earth. It's
simpler to fake the moon lending then to go otherwise
there'd be bases there right now, you see. So that
argument didn't fly either, And then the idea that the
Soviet would have blown the whistle on it, that's not

(57:02):
true either. Imagine if I had a picture of a
world leader with the prostitute, I could release it, upload
it to the Internet and take them down. Or I
could blackmail them year after year after year. You see.
I know someone who works in the command center of
the Chinese Space Agency. He says, everybody there knows the

(57:22):
Moon missions are fake, that they are black mailing NASA
to not expose it, and it's changed for space technology.
Well that's a violation of the Espionage Act, isn't it.
So our own government is giving technology to China that
they shouldn't give in order to not have the moon

(57:47):
landing fraud exposed. You see that another good reason to
admit it, so that China and Russia can't blackmail us anymore,
because that's what they would do. They're experienced justs and
go players, aren't they. They're going to use that information
and hold on to it and use it against us
rather than blurt it out and make the information valueless. Right,

(58:10):
that's what they would really do. So that argument doesn't
fly either, does it.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
No, that it's fascinating by the amount of hours that
you've put in. And I always like to have guests on,
and I always tell my audience, you know, these guests
who get on have done their own research, and you've
done your own research, You've spent years doing it. But
what I always say as well, guys, is do your
own research as well. Don't just take what I say

(58:37):
or what Boy says. Listen to what we say, but
also go back, get on the internet yourself, get some books,
watch some documentaries, and get into it yourselves. I mean,
I've believed the moonlandings were fake, probably since being seventeen
years old, and Boy's believed that as well for a
lot of years. Thanks for your time, Bart, Could you

(58:59):
just remind people regarding your book and where they can
get it and everything.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, the book that contains all of this new information
is that sibrel s is and Sam I be a
simboy r e l sabrel dot com. The book is
an audio which I read myself kindle or print, and
it's interactive. There are sixteen video clips that actually you
can go to sibrel dot com and watch. Now you

(59:24):
want to do free research, just go to sibrel dot com.
You can watch sixteen video clips which would probably convince
you without reading the book. The book is good because
it goes into my espionage adventures, you know, out running
literally people trying to kill me, one of which is,
you know, when I was being abducted in the back

(59:46):
of CNN, a lawyer popped out from his alley way,
you know, doorway. Had he not come out and me
hiring him that instant and taking out a notepad, I
probably would have ended up dead on on railroad track.
All that you backstory, all the proof, all the video
clips that you could possibly need are at sebral dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Definitely encourage people to get the book. I've started reading it, Bart,
I've got it on my kindle there. So thanks again
Bort for joining me. Thank you from my regular listeners
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(01:00:33):
and I hope you're back again next week. Guys to
listen to me again. Paul and beyond the paradigm my crazy.
We don't use that word in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
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