Reloaded Ep 52: False Flag Operations with Charlie Robinson

Were the September 11th attacks, terrorism by 19 Arab Hijackers? 7th July 2005 London Bombings were they carried out by Islamic extremists or were both of these set of Terror attacks orchestrated form within? On this Episode I am joined by the host of Macroagressions Podcast Charlie Robinson. Join us as we go down the Rabbit hole and expose the lies of these events.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Beyond the Paradigm. This is a
reloaded episode originally aired on the third of May twenty
twenty four. Decided to publish this episode today because there
has been a gap in recordings. But there is a
new episode with a new topic coming out this Friday.
But this is a fascinating episode with researcher and author

(00:22):
Charlie Robinson where we talk about false flag operations. This
episode has not had as many listeners as it deserves,
so if you haven't listened to this episode, just sit
back and enjoy this fascinating episode reloaded from the third
of May twenty twenty four. False Flag Operations with Charlie Robinson,

(00:45):
Bid Dreams. Then we accept the reality of the world
with which we're presented. It's as civil as them, billions
of peoples living out their lives oblivious. They talks you good, Hey,

(01:08):
do you believe it?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Will?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
You can deny all the things I've seen, all the
things I've discovered, nothing once longer, because too many others know.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
What's happening out there, and no one, no government agency,
has jurisdiction over the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Reports are just coming in of an explosion at Liverpool Street,
station here in London and that all go. I can
confirm one damage to train, one carriage.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Completely white now at.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Least ninety people.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Very thirteen didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Train so much explosion, it.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Appears, and then it just smoked everywhere in the tunnel.
Was trying to close the doors because it's just smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
You can breathe. Everyone should ask you what happened? What's
happened all we've been told it's a major inter and
the whole of.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
The land of land. The ground is now shut.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Absolutely can we move off.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
We're now also hearing that there have been further incidents
at Russell Square now. British Transport Police are saying that
a power surge caused the incidents, some of which caused explosions.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Did you play and literally there was just a very
loud ban between derails. There were smoke everywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
There's a lot of serious interest on a lot of
serious head injuries.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
We're just getting reports in now that a plane has
crashed into the World Trade Center.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Two planes have crashed into the World Trade Center in
New York.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
There have been a series of terrorist attacks in the
United States.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Pictures justin showed the building already on fire with smoke
billowing from the upper floors. We have no details on
why the planes hit the buildings, nor so far of
any deaths or injuries.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
This moment.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Just before nine o'clock this morning in New York, a
passenger jet which had taken off from Boston, slammed into
the World Trade Center. Thick black smoke blotted out the
Manhattan skyline. Eighteen minutes later, as television networks around the
world broadcast live pictures, a second passenger jet crashed into

(03:30):
the Twin Towers.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
You're a big bang, and then we saw smoke coming out,
and everybody started running out, and.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
We saw the plane on the other side of the building.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
And there was smoke everywhere, and people are jumping out
the windows.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Everything came down, glass up popping, and people got hurt.
Stuff went on top of them, and it was a
big explosion and everything got dark. It's gotta be a
terrorist attack. I can't tell you anything more than that
I saw the plane hit the building. I can't say anything.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Another development on Saturday, New York officials revealed at a
news conference here in the city that a hijacker's.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Passport was found blocks from the World Trade Center crash
side if they can believe.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
That, according to some estimates, we cannot track two point
three trillion dollars in transactions.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Hello, and welcome to Beyond the Paradigm. I'm your host,
Paul Breckelle. What a world we live in? Just a
world full of lies. Whenever you turn on your TV,
if you've got a TV, it's just constant bombardment with
lies and propaganda. And on this podcast, if this is
the first time that you're tuning in, just seek to
sift through all those lies and get to the bottom

(04:38):
of what the actual facts are. We seek to connect
the dots and get to the truth. And in this
episode today we're going to talk about false flags with
my guest Charlie Robinson. And Charlie is the host of
the popular Macroaggressions podcast and he's wrote a book called
The Octopus of Global Control. This is the second time

(04:58):
Charlie's been on the show. His podcast is information packed,
as I've previously stated on this show, but I said,
we're going to be talking about false flags, and I
just wanted to sort of give people the top five
signs of a false flag tarrort attack. So number one

(05:19):
would be horrific images are overused by the media to
shock the public. Number two, drills of a similar attack
occur the same day in the same area. Number three,
eyewitness accounts do not match the official story. Number four

(05:39):
conflicting evidence is not repeated by the media. And number
five it's used as an excuse to curtail rights or
start a war. And obviously we've seen a few wars
started over the last few years and many of our
rights ereroaded taken away in both the UK and the US, Australia,

(06:00):
all over the world. They're seeking to stamp our rights
out and controllers and keep us in a low vibrational state,
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(07:51):
like I said, we've got Charlie Robinson on today. We're
going to be talking about false flags, We're gonna be
touching on nine to eleven, the seven seven London bombings
and other topics. So I'll just sit back and enjoy
this episode and I'm going to go and bring Charlie
onto the show. Charlie Robinson, thank you for joining me
once again.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Welcome, well, thanks for having me back. Let's get weird.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. Absolutely, I've been keeping up to date with your podcast.
It is one of my favorite ones, and I believe
you've recently well over the last couple of months, you've
hosted Anarcapulco. I believe how did that go?

Speaker 4 (08:28):
That was great? That was a real treat for me.
I got a chance to interview David Ike from the stage.
He was back in the UK. I was on the
stage in Mexico in front of a live audience, and
he was behind me on the big screen, and I
had a microphone and I was doing a zoom call

(08:49):
with him, reading questions from the audience that they'd given
me in advance. And that was how we started off.
Day one was the first interview of the day was David.
I like that and to a packed crap out. It
was amazing. I had a blast. We had earthquakes happening

(09:10):
during it, which was which is kind of normal there
from Mexico. We had a great vibe, a lot of
nice people, met all kinds of a lot of Canadians
that had been escaping Canada recently, like really feeling like
they're escaping. Like one guy I know just like left
his entire house and just wow, grabbed his dog and

(09:33):
everything he could get in his car and he left
because he thought they were coming to get him, and
they probably were. So we we we had an amazing
week with some interesting people and I can't wait to
do it again next year. Yeah, it was a big

(09:53):
It was a treat for me to be able to
host an MC the event because I've been going there
for many years and and this time I actually had
a job, so so I was busy. It's stuff going on.
It was a little different, but I still enjoyed myself
a great deal and met a lot of nice people.

(10:14):
And I'll be back next year. I'm sure good good.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
How many people attend it is, I mean it's quite
well attended.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I think there's probably seven hundred people there and another
couple thousand watching online. I don't know that it's hard
to tell because it's like an all week event and
people were coming and going all day, all night. You know.
It's just it's like a big festival, and so it's

(10:43):
rare that you get everybody in one spot. That was
what was nice about the David Ike thing was that
because it was the first event of the first day,
everyone was there, you know, to start it off. We
just had the the introductions, the opening ceremonies, and and
everyone was ready to party. So we started it off

(11:06):
the right way with David Ike and ended the day
with Lark and Rose and actually I should say we
ended the night at Max Egan's Bar, far too late
into the night, drinking beers and whatnot out there on
Max's Bar, and it was a great time. And I

(11:29):
highly recommend it for people that want to get out,
you know, get out and be around some like minded
individuals and go to Mexico in February, which is a
great place to be and h and to learn quite
a bit. So yeah, I highly recommend it.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, Canada sounds like a place that people definitely need
to get out of. And I'm expecting probably a few
people start to leave Scotland with the law they've just
passed up there.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, they might have, they might have to. What a joke, man,
I mean, this is this is desperate desperation time. This
is the sort of things that governments do when they're
losing control. So it's a dangerous time because they're liable
to do just about anything like criminalized speech and start

(12:18):
to call you know, words hate speech and life in
prison and seven years in prison and all these things
social credit scores. I mean, this is this is not
gonna work for for us. We're gonna have to put
a stop to this, like immediately. I like that the
Scottish Scottish Prime Minister, I guess was uh opened up

(12:42):
the hate the the I guess that anti bigotry hate
hotline and everybody reported him for his tweets where he
was calling out white people for this and white people
for that over this. So more of that, we need more,
more of that. More call up and report your prime minister,

(13:04):
report your congressman, report your local media personality, report all
those people. Then play that game. Then you want to
play that game, we'll play the game too. We'll call
up and just start putting everybody on your list.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
So oh yeah, yeah, just just bombard them, just flood
the police for complaints. That's definitely something i'd encourage people
to do. Like you said, if they want to play
the game, we'll play the game. So I remember reading
in your book The Global Control how you had like
a family get together. Yeah, it was like, I don't

(13:40):
know Christmas, Thanksgiving, you we don't have that yet. So
Thanksgiving dinner and you brought up this. You got talking
about the terrorist terrorist attacks in September eleventh, and you
wasn't prepared for sort of the response that you got
is that what propelled you to start doing now what

(14:02):
you're doing in the or it kind?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Well, I learned how not to do it from that.
That was a real good lesson. I learned that you
need to have your argument down to like, you know,
you got to really know your stuff, and you also
have to know the timing. The timing is important too.

(14:26):
Nobody wants to talk about nine to eleven at Thanksgiving dinner,
especially your in laws, so you have to know your audience.
You know, I made every mistake you can make by
doing that. But it's a funny I mean it turned
part of the part of the thing is that my
one of the members of the family that was at

(14:48):
the table was like kind of egging me on a
little bit, kind of like wanted me to do it
because I had similar beliefs, you know, as as I did,
and I sort of made them made the mistake of
of bringing it up. Man, it was. It wasn't good,
but but it I still feel like everybody needs to

(15:12):
know about nine to eleven. I just I just know
that if you want people to understand these things, you
have to you have to know that there are sometimes
are better than than others. Some locations and scenarios are
better than others. You know you don't And also, frankly,

(15:36):
you can't lecture people about this stuff. It has to
be a conversation. And if somebody isn't ready to participate
in the conversation, It's one thing. If somebody in your
family comes up and asks you a question and you're
answering it. It's another thing if like they're just enjoying

(15:57):
their Thanksgiving dinner and all of a sudden they're hearing
about a third building falling. You know, they're like, we
didn't ask for this we don't want it, but so
you you know, I learned some valuable lessons about the
delivery of the information and the way in which you
can convey it. And that also it's important for for

(16:22):
you to have some some sort of back and forth
if you definitely want to talk about a topic like that,
rather than lecturing somebody about it, you could you could
instead just ask them a question and get them you know, hey,
what do you think about this? Like, hey, what do
you think? What do you think? Would explain why a

(16:44):
third building fell on nine to eleven? And they would go,
I didn't know a third building fell on nine eleven?
You go, oh, yeah, third one? Like tank, two planes,
three buildings. Isn't that weird? I mean, what do you
attribute the third building falling down? I don't. I don't know.
So like if you, if you, you kind of gauge
their level of knowledge and interest and understanding of the

(17:07):
event and uh by, and you do that by asking
questions and by having a conversation. But you don't just saye,
sit down, let me tell you what nine to eleven
is and just go into like an hour long verbal
vomiting all over some porbird who can't get away from
you like that. That's not going to work. That's not
a good way to do it. It's disrespectful. Your message

(17:30):
will will automatically get thrown in the trash. And but
but everyone kind of goes through that at some point.
Everyone's done that to somebody in there. Everybody that knows
about nine to eleven has done that, has made that mistake.
The person's just like, I don't want I don't want
all this info right now. Thank you. Kind of have dessert,

(17:51):
kind of have this delicious piece of pie. I don't
want to talk about a jet fuel.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I'm totally in agreement with you about asking the
questions because you can just leave it with them. Then
you've sawn the seed. They can go away and maybe
come they might come back again in a few days
and go, hey, you know you mentioned that third building.
I mean, like when it happened, the day happened, obviously
were a few hours ahead of you. I remember at
the time I had I think I'd gone back to college,

(18:20):
but I had a part time job, and I remember
getting into work in the evening, well it was in
the afternoon, and some guys saying to me, have you
seen what those Palestinians have done. And I'm like what
And that was like the initial sort of introduction for me.
It's like the Palestinians have attacked America, and it was
like right, I mean when you when you initially seem

(18:41):
like the footage, so you see the planes and obviously
there's the Pentagon and all that, and then there's the crashed,
crashed plane, which I remember at the time looking and thinking,
I don't see a plane that's been crashed. I can't
see anything. But anyway, what was what was you like
your initial thought when you when you've seen all that.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Well, I can tell you. I remember. I remember where
I was. I had three roommates at the time. We
were living at the beach in LA and we got
up that morning. Actually someone woke me up and they're like,
you need to come up and watch this, and I
was like, because it was six o'clock in the morning
where I was, and I got out of bed and

(19:24):
went up there and I was like, you know, like
watching the highlight of what had happened with the first tower,
and then as that was going on, then the second
one happened and they cut to that and I was
just stunned.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I mean, I didn't know anything back then. I didn't
understand the game. I didn't know what was going on.
I didn't have any sort of context to make an
informed I didn't have an informed opinion about it at
that point, and in really it wasn't in until and
I didn't even start asking serious questions about it until

(20:05):
about two years later, when they started trying to convince
us that we needed to go We had already been
bombing Afghanistan, but they convinced us that we needed to
go into Iraq. And I was like, why do we
need to go into Iraq? And they're like, well, you
know nine to eleven And I was like, what do

(20:25):
you mean nine to eleven and they're like, because you know,
like Saddam Hussein and in nine to eleven, and so
we got to go into Iraq. I'm like, wait a second.
You guys never mentioned Saddam Hussein in nine to eleven before.
What are you talking about? And they're like, well, you know,
I mean there was there was like a connection. And

(20:47):
I was like, no, there wasn't. Well we listen, we
got to go into Iraq, you know. And I was like,
this whole story sad the whole thing sounds fishy. And
then I star to kind of work backwards, and I going,
you know what, Afghanistan doesn't make any sense either. I mean,
we're bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. They're already

(21:11):
in the Bronze Age, like what we're gonna And then
you start going, you know, you start asking questions about
like what what exactly happened on nine to eleven? You know,
what really went down? And when you start to dig
into it, you go, oh, oh, wait a second, this

(21:34):
whole cover st the entire like official narrative of nine
to eleven is nonsense, all lies, and it's obvious in retrospect.
And then you start to go like, oh my god,
I feel I feel stupid for believing the official story
for as long as I did, Like, what's the matter
with me? Well, you just didn't know, you know, I

(21:56):
didn't know any better. I didn't know to be suspicious,
and now I do. Now it's obvious what happened and
what didn't happen too, you know who was involved and
who wasn't involved, and why they said a certain group
of people were involved in it, and why they pretended
like a certain group of people had nothing to do
with it. So it all makes sense now in retrospect.

(22:18):
But at the time I didn't have it figured out.
I mean I didn't. I was stunned, just like everybody.
I thought it was horrible and terrible, and I do
remember the visuals of people jumping out of the windows.
That was awful, awful watching that, like you just you know,

(22:40):
But when you look back on it now, like they
show that on TV here in the United States all
the time, the explosion and all that. They want you
to see it. They want you to they want that

(23:02):
to be normalized. There's certain things that they won't show
you on TV here, which is weird, but they'll show
you that. They definitely want you to see that and
feel a certain way about that, even though you know
when you're watching that plane won't blow, you know, crash
into it. You know you're watching I don't know, fifty people,
one hundred people pulverized and incinerated in a split second, right,

(23:27):
and that should be enough to not show it to
the general public. But they show it all the time
here because they want you to see it.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
And so.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Nine to eleven was this massive psychological operation on top
of being an actual false flag event. So it's really
sort of the event that keeps on giving in terms
of different directions that you can go with it, but
at its core, it's just a good old fashioned false flag. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I mean, it's such a massive event and had global impact.
I mean to the point where I was like you
in a way, you know, we look at it and
we was like, I didn't know a lot back then.
I know, I didn't believe them about the passports. I
was like when I first heard that, I was like,
oh yeah, really, I mean that was the first thing
that came me straight away, like fireproof passports. Why didn't

(24:24):
they make the plane out of the same material the passports? Then,
you know, and you're just saying, ang on a minute,
but it was like it had such a global impact,
even to the point where I myself was in Afghanistan,
like if that wouldn't have happened, Like you know, it's
impacted millions of people different countries, all around the world

(24:44):
in different ways, and it's it's such an important topic still.
I mean, do you so one of the things we're
here is that you know nine to eleven was an
inside job, But do you think it was an inside
job and I outside job, or an inside and outside.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Job, inside and outside job too. I always it's funny
you say that. I always uh correct people when they
say nine to eleven was an inside job, inside and outside.
Don't forget that because there there were there were external forces. Yeah,
it was inside in the sense that that many people

(25:25):
inside the Bush administration were involved in the planning of
it project for a new American century, members of laser kel,
members of uh what they would call the ziocons, the
Zionist component. So that's the inside into members of the

(25:47):
military armed forces. You see two generals get promoted after
nine to eleven. Oh, that's weird, biggest failure and security
history of our country and you get you guys get promoted. Okay.
So it was an inside job in that regard, decisions
were made, planes were relocated, But it was an outside

(26:11):
job in ters of who was involved in the alleged
hide jackings and the rigging of the trade centers and
the rigging of Building seven and the missile into the Pentagon.
I mean, there's a lot of external forces there as well.
So it's a massive operation. It's it's an onion, you know,

(26:34):
And the more you dig into it, the more you're
mortified at how many people could be involved in something
like this. And in fact, that's kind of part of
the protection mechanism of it, too, is that people just go, now,
it's too big of a operation. Somebody would have talked.
People talked about it all the time. They act, they

(26:57):
act like nobody's talked about nine to eleven. People talk
about nine eleven all the time. There's advance knowledge of that.
Bill Cooper called it out three months in advance. He
knew it was coming. He was dead by the end
of the year, of course. But you know, this was
not a secret and it was not an organic event.

(27:19):
And nineteen Arab hijackers with box cutters didn't do nine
to eleven. That's a story. That's nonsense. He accomplished it
with Boeing, Honeywell, uninterruptible autopilots. World Trade Center was rigged
by the Mossad. It was carried out by members of
the ziocons inside the White House with Israeli intelligence and

(27:42):
Pakistani intelligence, Saudi help, Saudi money band, our Bush Bush family.
Your name me, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney. This is the
crew that did nine to eleven. That's who did it,
Not a bunch of Arabs, not Osama bin Laden, who
worked for the CIA for twenty five years. I mean,

(28:06):
he was, of course the scapegoat, and he was, of
course the boogeyman. He's perfect. He was straight out of
Central Casting for like Islamic boogeyman. Right, except that his
family was meeting with the Bush family on the morning
of nine to eleven in Washington, d C. On behalf
of the Carlisle Group. Isn't that an unusual coincidence that

(28:28):
the father of the President of the United States was
having a business meeting with the family of Osama bin Laden,
the alleged terrorist mastermind of it all, who was just
about to destroy the White House and their entire administration.
Those families were having a business meeting the morning of
nine to eleven. But I'm sure that's all just a

(28:49):
gigantic coincidence.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
So, when you hear hijackers passport was found blocks from
the crime scene, if you can believe that, the answer
is no, we can't believe that because it's not true.
The whole story isn't true. It's not true. None of
it's true. It's a gigantic lie. But the thing is
because it was the first story told. It sticks in

(29:15):
everybody's head as the official story. There's some psychological conditioning
behind that. Who was the first person to give to
say who was the suspect? In the UK, it was
Ahud Barak in the office of the BBC. In the
United States, it was El Paul Bremer in the office

(29:38):
of MSNBC, the guy who went on to Marshall mcclennan, CEO,
who went on to become the head of the Iraq
occupation for the United States in a civilian capacity. Both
of them were the first people to say it was
Osama bin Laden. L Paul Bremer conveniently wasn't in the

(29:59):
tw trade centers. He was in the office of MSNBC
that morning of September eleventh. He was there because he
knew he was going to need to be in front
of the camera in a couple of minutes after his
building was under attack, and he knew this because he
was involved in the planning of it. It's the same
reason why Donald Rumsfeld announced that two point three trillion

(30:19):
dollars in transactions can't be accounted for on September tenth,
two thousand and one, because he knew it would get
washed off of the front page of the media the
following day because he was planning nine to eleven. That's
why he released it the day before. Again, this isn't
a coincidence. This is how it's done. And in retrospect

(30:43):
you look back on this and it's all obvious. You
can see all the pieces and you go, oh my god,
it's all right there. But at the time you don't
know what you don't know, you don't know what's coming tomorrow.
When Rumsfeld makes two point thre you guys lost two
point three trillion dollars, we're gonna have to You're gonna

(31:05):
have to account for that. Well, he did account for that.
You know how he accounted for that. He held a
meeting the following day at the Pentagon in an office
the exact location that was struck by a missile. Told
everybody to show up that office with all their documents
and all their paperwork. They were gonna get to the
bottom of this missing two point three trillion dollars. And

(31:25):
then that part of the building just up and exploded,
killed everybody there. That's nine to eleven. That's the reality
of nine to eleven. So you know, twenty plus years later,
most of the people in the US still thinking, nineteen
Arab hijackers with box cutters did it. I mean, it's embarrassing.

(31:47):
It's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Ryeah, well, it's definitely embarrassing now in eindsight with everything,
you know, with all the documentaries that have been you
know they have come out, all the people doing punk out,
you know, all the articles that have been. Then, I mean,
it didn't sit me long when I was started to
think about obviously the passport thing, alarm bells ringing straight away,

(32:09):
But then the next thing was right, Okay, so the Americans,
they're always telling us that the most powerful country on Earth,
So how is it then these planes can get hijacked
and they can't even scramble just one fighter jet, you know,
and it's like, come on, it's just.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Well, they would have, but they had they had instructed
the fighter jets to be out of the area on
a training mission. That's the advanced planning of this. That
was the well, if we do this, there will be
a response from the Air Force. Not if the Air

(32:48):
Force isn't around, Well, why don't we make sure that
they're training in Alaska? Yeah, let's make sure that the
Terrorist Response Group is having a their yearly conference, but
make sure it's on the West coast of the United States,
not the East coast. So it was at the same time.
You know, so these things, when you look back on it,
you go, you changed this. Dick Cheney came in and

(33:12):
changed this stuff. What seems like a lot of a
very coincidental that you changed all the stuff that was
going to need to be changed before this be like,
what what a lucky guess, unless it's not a lucky guess,

(33:36):
unless they needed a year. They wrote that paper Rebuilding
American's Defenses for the PNAC Group Project for a New
American Century. The xiocons inside the Bush administration absent some
catastrophic or catalyzing event like a new pearl harbor. They
weren't going to be able to achieve their goals without

(33:57):
a new pearl harbor. They wrote that in September of
two thousand September of two thousand and one, they got
their new pearl harbor. They needed a year to rewire
the building from the inside. Both you know, a figure in
a literal sense, in the sense of Building seven and
the towers, and in a figurative sense in regard to

(34:22):
the Pentagon and the White House and how they dealt
with things, what the procedures were. If A happens now
instead of B happening, and it goes to Z, meaning
Dick Cheney's in charge, and now everything falls under his jurisdiction,
and he's doing things differently, and he's rescheduled things. And
now they've moved the fighter jets out of the way,

(34:43):
and now they've moved the counter terrorism group out of
the way, and now they've moved this group out of
the way. Now they're doing seventy five drills all at
the same time, simulating the same thing, making it extra
confus like all of this stuff shouldn't happen. None of
this stuff should happen unless it's intentional. And when you

(35:04):
look at how you look at all of it, you
just cannot write it off as being a coincidence. You
just can't, especially when somebody like Dick Cheney's in charge
of it. Be one thing, if Mother Teresa was in
charge of it, and you go, oh, oh, you know,
maybe she just got all confused and picked the wrong
dates or something. But when Dick Cheney is involved, and
Donald Rumsfeld and they're changing things around. You can be

(35:27):
assured that it is not for the benefit of you,
and that they have some sort of plan. And of
course they do have a plan. And of course they
had a plan back in the seventies when they were
in the White House in the Nixon administration. Okay, so
they know their way around Washington, DC, and they know
their way around the White House, which is why when
they came into power in two thousand, they only needed

(35:48):
a year get it all done and get it all
set up the way they wanted it. They hurried. They
knew they needed in an event early and it needed
to be a big one, and that that they could
then get a blank check to re imagine the Middle
East and protect Israel, destabilize any of their enemies, and

(36:12):
get in and take out seven countries in five years,
ending with Iran. Who would want that done? Israel? Of course?
Who is behind nine to eleven? Israel? Of course. So
this is the plan. It's not hard to understand once
you go, oh, yeah, yeah, we Why would Afghanistan want

(36:34):
to attack the United States? Why so?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I mean, no reason.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
I mean, it's a it's a bold plan to We're
going to hijack all these planes and do all this.
I mean, you've got to have a good reason for it, right,
You've got to be financed, and you've got to have
the logistics, and you've got to have all this stuff.
Who would who would have the knowledge and opportunity. Would
it be a bunch of a bunch of farmers, a

(37:04):
bunch of barefoot yak herders in the mountains of Afghanistan?
Or would it be maybe, Oh, I don't know, the
CIA and the Masade. It's it's it's in retrospect, it's
obvious what happened.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
But at the time, boy, I'll tell you, at the time,
even if I had known what was going on, there
was such a patriotic feeling in the country.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Like we're all together or we're gonna go get them.
And it's like, well, oh, I hate to be like
I hate to like ruin the party, but who's them?
And it was like, uh, Muslim Muslims. And then they'd
pull a sek out of a seven to eleven and

(37:52):
beat them up because they didn't know the difference between
Sikhs and Muslims, you know what I mean. So it
was like this crazy, unhinged, stupid mob that was unleashed
upon the world, all fired up and ready to get revenge,
but they didn't know who to get revenge against, and
a bunch of kids signed up for the military because

(38:14):
of that.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
They want you to believe that these people in these
other countries, the Islamic countries, they sat there at home
all concocting these plans to come and attack us, when
in reality, they're like me and you, they just want
to live their lives. They want to look after the families,
they want to earn a living, and these things aren't
really on their mind, you know, but they would have us,

(39:23):
you know, they demonize them, and that's why, like you said,
they got this patriotic feeling all built up, and it's like, yeah,
with the stars and stripes and they're gonna go bomb
them back to the dark ages, when basically they were
in the dark ages anyway. And it's just it is sad.
I mean for me, like, what's your what's your thoughts

(39:46):
regarding the theory with the missile strike on the Pentagon
that it was like a missile from an Israeli sub.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
That's what I've heard. That's what I've heard. That's actually
also with the remote viewers found the guys that that
said they were never going to remote view nine to eleven,
and then Courtney Brown threw him a curve ball and
they they did remote view it, and they they all
saw a sub with a midget missile, midget class missile

(40:23):
being launched and shot at the at the Pentagon off
the coast of UH Maryland. I guess what that's fine?
I mean, but I can't I can't confirm that, but
I it was hit by a missile. I mean, it
wasn't hit by an airplane. There was no airplane parts.
And then you know it was weird? Was that In

(40:44):
the aftermath of the like the cleanup out there that afternoon,
you look around, who's out there picking up pieces of metal?
Don Rumsfeld himself? You know, surely he he he could
have been used elsewhere. His The best use of the

(41:05):
Secretary of Defences time isn't out there picking up metal
off the lawn of the Pentagon. It's probably being in
a meeting somewhere deciding whether or not we're going to
start firing missiles at some place. But instead he decides

(41:25):
to go out on the grass for a photo op
while everybody's frantically trying to call him, he made himself
conveniently unavailable. So that is after he called the meeting
and called all those people into their death by scheduling
that meeting. He knew what he was doing. This isn't

(41:48):
an accident, This isn't coincidental. At some point you have
to stop attributing this stuff to coincidences, you know what
I mean. It's just it keeps happening too many times
for it to be coincidental. All the people that were
gonna blow the whistle and the missing two point three

(42:10):
trillion dollars, you just happen to get rid of all
of them all at the same time. What a convene,
you know, I guess if you know where the missile's going,
you just call everybody into that meeting and make sure
they're whacked. I mean airplane. I mean, you know the
hijacker who hold a two hundred and seventy degree perkscrew

(42:34):
turn even though he couldn't fly a Sessana. I mean
something that professionally trained pilots with thirty years of experience
couldn't do this. This honey Hundure magically could fly. I mean, stop, stop, stop,
it's just nonsense.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, it is. It's like even the plans that went
into the towers that like professional pilots were saying they
even tried it on simulators and nine times out attending
missed the tower.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah. Yeah, it's not even.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
As hard a move as the Pentagon, but there was.
These are professionals totally.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
They say, it's it's harder than you think mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
At the speed as well that they were going out.
That's the thing. It's it was to do with the speed.
I mean, what what do you do you think it was? Like?
Do you think it was drones? Because I've heard that
there's people saying, you know, it wasn't even a real plane,
it wasn't a drone. But I mean, what I always
think about it is like these people that were on

(43:41):
board these planes, like what did they do with them?
Did they replace that plane? I don't understand that. But me,
it's like that's just like what happened there.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I mean that I think that those planes had well
I know that those planes are in with something called
a Boeing Honting well uninterruptible autopilot. The only airline that
doesn't have those installed in them is Luftanza. Everyone else
has it installed that allows somebody to remotely control the

(44:17):
airplanes in the event of a you know, an event,
a terrorist event, they could someone could take over and
remotely land the plane or fly into a building or
whatever with a homing device that was more than likely

(44:39):
embedded in those buildings. They had access to the buildings
for weeks beforehand. If you've ever seen the pictures of
E Team where they darkened out all the windows of
the towers and made it spell out E Team, you'll
know who was involved in that same group that was
involved in dancing on the roof of a van from

(45:01):
from New Jersey as they watched it because they were
there to document the event otherwise known as the Dancing Israelis. Yeah,
so like again, like, what what are we supposed to
do about that? We were there to document the event.
How did you know there was an event to document?

(45:22):
Just good luck? You just picked one random day out
of all days to document the event. You guys all
have ties to masade and you went on Israeli TV
and need this. It's who was in charge of Department
of Homeland Security was a duel Israeli national in the

(45:43):
United States and let them all out of jail without
charges and sent them out of the country. That's that's
that's amazing, man. What luck?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, I mean, this is it. I mean the fact
that if people can still believe the official story, they
just I mean, as far as I'm concerned people, if
they're that stupid, then to deserve what's come into them,
because it's for me, it's wilful ignorance. People are wilfully
blind because if they accept that the official narratives a lie,

(46:20):
then that means they're going to have to do something
about it, and most people don't want to.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Right. That's it, That's what it is. It's as long
as it's as long as it's just the the establishment
narrative telling me the story, it's their fault. As soon
as I recognize it's a lie and I don't stand

(46:46):
up against it or turn it off, then it's then
it becomes their fault, and they don't want that. They
don't want that responsibility. I know people that say, what
difference does it make? What am I going to do?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Like?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
What difference does it make if I know how this
works or who is involved in that? Like it doesn't
Probably to them, they're probably never going I mean not
directly at least until it's too late, I mean, until
all their rights have been given away, and they're just

(47:19):
you know, a lot of people are just not curious.
They don't they also if they know, then they have
to everything that they think they know about the way
the world works changes and then they have to think
about that differently. And that's a big job, and they're
not up for that, and they don't want that, and
it's a lot of work, and you know, and I

(47:40):
so there's there's reasons why people don't want to talk
about it or think about it. But I don't really
respect them for it. I understand why they're doing it,
but I just don't respect them for it because you know,
if you if you know that these these evil people
are out there doing this evil and you just allow

(48:01):
it to just going, eh, who cares, what am I
going to do? I mean, then you're then in some
way you're you're allowing it. You're saying you're okay with
it on some level. Yeah, definitely, you've got it that
we don't need. You don't need everybody to realize that
there's a problem. You just need to, you know, you

(48:24):
just need a small group of people and then things change,
so I don't That's why I don't respect the people
that recognize it and just goingh what am I going
to do about it? I'm just nobody. Well, I mean
if you get enough nobody's together, then all of a
sudden you got you got a lot of people and
you can get things done. But like walking around without

(48:44):
a mask on back when when people were wearing masks
when you go into a grocery store, I'd walk in
without a mask and inspo and try to through my
own uh non compliance, inspire people to remember that they
don't have to wear a mask if they don't want to.
If they just decide that they're not participating, they can

(49:06):
do whatever they want. And you know, so sometimes you
just have to kind of lead by example. I suppose.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, I remember the mask thing, people going into meltdown
because I wasn't wearing them, and like people at work
and do were saying, you're not wearing a mask, and
I went, yeah, well, what do I need to wear
one for? Well, there's a global pandemic. I went, what
a deadly virus that we need to be told that
we've got it? It's that deadly and in fact, one
of the symptoms. He's not having any symptoms.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Come on, Oh boy, isn't that convenient? I mean, it's
all I mean, that's the level they almost have to
make the lie so preposterous that if you believe it,
they know they've got you, because you're going to look
back on in retrospect and go, God, I believe that.
That's crazy that Oh, stand on the dot. You gotta

(50:02):
stand on this dot. You can't and you've got to
go this direction down the grocery store aisle. Only that
that direction only. I mean, if you did that because
the tape on the floor told you to, you're moron,
you know what I mean, Like you just you just

(50:22):
you're You're a simpleton who can't figure it out. You
should be ashamed of yourself for doing those things like
snap out of it. Yeah, boy, I'll tell you. It
was fascinating to as a writer. Oh, I couldn't. It

(50:42):
was like an embarrassment of riches, the amount of topics
that I had to write about. I'd go out to
the world and walk around and see things I never
thought i'd see, like people wearing masks in their cars
by themselves, people wearing masks while they're outside walking their
dog all by themselves. And here I'm in the mountains,
you know, where it's nice and yeah, there is super clean,

(51:04):
and I would see this and just go ki, I
mean these people are broken broken.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, I mean where I live. I live in a
coastal area, but i live just about a mile and
a half from the beach, and I've got like mountains
where I am now, and one of them is literally
right at the side of my house now where I live.
There's various ways up to it, and I remember being
on top and it's at the back of it. It's
like it's level and it's wide open. And I see

(51:36):
this woman coming down towards me with her children and
it's what we're out in the wide open spaces and
a hearer from like one hundred yards away social distancing,
shouting at their children. Watch social distancing having an absolute
meltdown because there's this one other person in this vast
area walking towards them, and it was like, oh, come

(51:59):
on place, you're not being serious, and like, I mean, being.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Sane broke them. It broke people, and so these people
are Uribezmanov talks about this. He talks about this ideological
subversion and how you can there's there's a fourth step
process to it. But step three is that you need

(52:26):
to have a crisis and it has to last six
weeks or longer. And if it does, then after that
the fourth stage, in the final stage is normalization. It's
where you just sort of normalize all the crazy behavior
that was happening or that was put into place during
the crisis situation. And so that's where you get a
lot of this COVID stuff being like normalized. You know

(52:50):
that where you have people wearing masks still, and you
have people that are getting you know, booster shots still
and doing all that. And and what he said was
that once you once you subject them to six weeks

(53:10):
of this intensive fear, that after that point, he said,
I could shower them with authentic information proving the opposite
that things weren't as bad as I said they were.
He said, it wouldn't matter that they're they're permanently broken
and that there's nothing you can do to fix. Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, I know quite a few people like that for
definite and it's there's nothing you can say. We just
don't say anything to a minimoi. It's just literally pointless
switch a little bit. This ship that hit this bridge
in Baltimore. What's what's your thoughts on that? Because because

(53:53):
my initial thought as soon as I watched it, see
these lights go out and then it does this sharp
turn to starboard and then hits this bridge, and I'm thinking,
hm hmm, And where are the tug boats? I mean,
I live near the court, so I know about all that.
Where are the tugs?

Speaker 4 (54:16):
I you know, I don't know enough about what the
protocol is for the boats going in and out of there.
My assumption is that this is just cheap owners putting
low quality people in positions that they shouldn't be in

(54:39):
and maybe cutting some corners and putting some dumbs out
there that don't know how to steer a boat correctly.
I I know it's a very inconvenient location for this
to happen, and it really screws things up from a

(55:00):
logistics standpoint, and it definitely sounds like something the government
would behind be behind doing. I just don't know. I
don't know on this one. I don't know. This might
just be good old fashioned incompetence, forced incompetence, like like
we're cutting corners because we're a big shipping company, and

(55:22):
we've got a bunch of ships, and we want to
hire a bunch of unqualified people from India the Ukrainian,
a drunken Ukrainian captain probably, and put him there because
he's he's cheap, and we have insurance if anything goes wrong.
But we didn't think he'd hit the center of this
thing and take the whole bridge down. So I am

(55:44):
going to attribute it to incompetence. I might be wrong
on that, it might turn out to be more intentional,
but I'm gonna I'm going to give them the benefit
of the doubt on this one and say, you know,
because there's tons of incompetence to go around, and the

(56:08):
American infrastructure is not well built either, so something like
that is kind of bound to happen at some point.
Our trains keep derailing anyway, just under the best of circumstances,
not just you know, bridges, But our infrastructure is a mess.
So if it wasn't this bridge getting hit by this boat,

(56:32):
it'll be some other bridge getting hit by something else.
Because I put that in the second book I wrote.
We did a whole extensive chapter on the infrastructure of
the United States, and it's a mess. It's terrible. It's
embarrassingly terrible. It's like you would think before we sent
one hundred billion dollars to Ukraine, we would fix our

(56:54):
own infrastructure first, but you would be wrong because our
infrastructure is probably worse than Ukraine. And but there's no
it's not very glamorous to talk about fixing the infrastructure,
so it never gets addressed. But this is just kind
of like and just another thing. I don't know, we'll
see what happens. I could be wrong on this one.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of incompetence to go around,
that's for certain. There's plenty of it over there. One
of the false flags I remember was the seven seventh
and I do call this a false flag, and a
lot of it's seven to seven. I mean I remember, like,
oh yeah, crisis management company at the time was Visor Consultants,

(58:10):
guy called Peter Power, and it basically admitted they was
doing these rehearsals that were based exactly.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Yeah. He admitted it twice and I put both quotes
in my Octopus book.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yep, it's just because it was I think it was
the Manchester Evening News where they revealed that they've been
you know, managing this terror rehearsal, which is based on
simultaneous bombs going off at the Presige railway stations and
at Tavastot Square. And the thing is with this, I mean,

(58:43):
I know for my time in the Army that we
used to run casualty simulations and they are realistic. They
have to be realistic. I mean you're talking, you'll be
what you'll be doing a patrol. You know, you're walking
into a casualty simulation. You don't know what's going to happen.
And iedal go off. I mean there's people with stomachs
hanging out, you know, pulse blood, pulse in. And I've

(59:05):
said to people before, listen, a lot of these that
are going on, like I know from the Oklahol, not
the Oklohol, the Boston Marathon bombing. They had guys there
who rean peties from the Iraq War, you know, with
in wheelchairs like and sat bolt up right, but like
with a leg missing. And I've said to people like, listen,
they use casualty sims, they use these crisis sectors. I've

(59:29):
done it in the Army. I mean, so the even
there's a course in the Army where they trained people
to do the makeup and everything, because you can't always
get professional film crews when you're doing casualty simulations, so
they have to be quite highly trained at doing it.
I mean, so it's not just in America that these
things are going on, you know. I mean, there's the

(59:52):
there's the Ariana Grande Cancert as well. I've been looking
into that and that's again, I mean, I've seen footage
apparently when this bomb has gone off and they're walking
round and some guys shouting for his daughter, and it's
soft fake, and it's just soft fake.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
This is a well with the seven to seven bombing.
They Peter Power was on BBC one and BBC five
i think during the course of the day talking giving
interviews about this, and he's was saying what you said,
that they simulated. They were there to role play an

(01:00:33):
event of a train getting bombed at two different locations.
And while they were out there role playing the event
of a train getting bombed in two different sitution in
two different locations, and actual bombing happened in a train

(01:00:57):
station at two locations at the exact time, same time,
on the exact same day simulating the went off. The
exact same way that they were simulating. But it wasn't
them like and they they he went. He said that
multiple times. He wasn't taken out of context, he wasn't misquoted,
he wasn't in a state of panic. He gave the
same interview twice, so there's no discrepancy. His company was

(01:01:22):
there on site to do a role play exercise about
a train station blowing up, and then a train station
blew up exactly the way they role played it. I'm sorry.
You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you'd like,
but I have questions about that that is statistically impossible
to happen. Yeah, and like I said that, there are

(01:01:45):
companies that do that. Listen. To be fair, there's nothing
inherently wrong about practicing for a mass casualty event. In fact,
you probably should practice that if you're in there, if
you're in the services that that do that sort of thing,
you should train for that. Where I have a problem
is when you pretend like it's real and it's not

(01:02:06):
like the Boston bombing. Boston bombing has I did an
entire chapter on that in the Octopus book and just
just took a shotgun to to that story. That story
is so fake. It that that I'm in it's so
it's so fake, I'm embarrassed on their behalf. Like the

(01:02:28):
people that put the Boston bombing together, it's like, I
hope they all got fired because they made a lot
of mistakes, including the guy on the loudspeaker. That's that's
that's going over and over again. This is a drill.
This is a drill. This is a drill, and you've
got video of it where you could hear it going

(01:02:49):
off in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
You know. Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
So so the thing is, you can do those events,
you can run those false flags, but when you get
caught like Boston, you're never allowed to. You're going to
be under the microscope from then on out. From those
people that know anything that happens, the default is switched

(01:03:15):
to I bet you the government was involved in it.
And the reason why they think that is because they
know the government was involved in the Boston bombing. So
when you know that they're busted doing that once, it's
reasonable to assume that the next time it happens, it's
probably going to be them too, or at least it's
worth taking a look at. Right. So that's why the FBI.

(01:03:38):
You know, whenever anything happens in the US now that
it has to do a domestic white supremacy, my first
instinct is FBI. The FBI was involved in doing it,
being the bad guys. That's my default setting every time.
And the reason is because they keep doing that that stuff.

(01:04:00):
So yeah, you know, and at some point you have
to just go, this is how it's This is how
it's done. They say it's somebody else, but it's actually them.
They've been doing it for like since the end of
World War Two. We've been doing it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I mean the Seven seven ones were poor effort as well,
because they tried to tell us these particular guys did it,
these Muslims, but the train they told us they were
on was canceled and the train after it was canceled,
so they couldn't have got there in time anyway. And
not only that, when you look at the boss that
was ripped open at the top, these people stood up

(01:04:41):
in it with no injuries, and I mean, come on,
that's that's poor.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
And it happened at Tavistock. Yeah, you know, it's a
little weak in and on to us. I think from them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, I think so so so you anar Capolco. You
interviewed Whitney Webb, and she was talking to you about kilwere,
which basically I believe is cyber attacks to designed to
cause sort of harm to communities. Yeah, do you think

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there's going to be a false flag cyber attack.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Well, Whitney and I talked about this before the twenty
twenty elections too, where she was telling me that they
were doing role play simulations where there were cyber attacks
on water treatment facilities and also hijacking the self driving

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options of Tesla's and driving them into crowds of people
that were standing in line waiting to vote on election day.
They role played that event for some reason in twenty
twenty before the election. So just so we were talking
about that, and none of that wound up happening, right,
The water treatment facilities weren't hacked and the power grids

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weren't shut down, but they role played that. So it
comes back around this time for twenty twenty four, same
people are involved, and Whitney's talking about that killwere software
that basically targets things that will impact communities in general,

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like the water treatment facilities and the power grid and
the communications grid and all of that stuff. So it's
pretty scary, and you know that these people are interested
in creating chaos. So I think that instead of hijacking

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airplanes and flying them into buildings, you can just use
a cyber attack. Blame it on whoever you want, Iran,
North Korea, China, Russia, do something horrible to your own
people to create this massive fear, and then grab more
power under an emergency declaration and never give it back.

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So all these things work for authoritarian governments, especially ones
that are about to get voted out of office like
the Biden regime. So you know that is something I
it's like, expect the unexpected. Do I think something like
that will happen? No, But I I am also expecting

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the unexpected. So because of that, I'm keeping it as
a possibility. And when I talked to Whitney about that,
and she's saying, listen, I mean kill where's a thing?

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
It's it's it's these guys have figured it out. It's
it's just a matter of when they want to deploy it.
It's not if they can do it. They can do it.
They can shut it all down. So when do you
pull that card out? What do you use it on,
what's the desired response that you want from that, How

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does that work to advance your agenda and and you know,
and so so that's sort of the future of technology unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot, and especially
like crashing the banks. That's something that's been in the
back of my mind for a while. Light. I mean,
I I don't like I pay cash. If I can
pay cash, or pay cash if it's somewhere that takes
card only, I don't even I don't even use those
services because I'm trying to keep you know, I'm one guy.

(01:08:52):
But I tell people just use cash because eventually there's
going to be you know, they're going to do something
to the banks.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I think that that. I think people need to
reevaluate the relationship that they have with their banks. They
need to they need to remember, at least here in
the US, if you have money in a bank account,

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it's not your bank account, it's technically the banks, and
so you're an unsecured creditor of that bank. And when
they want to take the money, they can take the money.
But just to be on the safe side, they passed
the law recently for a bank bail in and that
allows the banks to take the money that's in the

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bank account and keep it if they find themselves a
bit insolvent, meaning they can take the money out of
your bank account keep it legally. Now, they could have
always done that, because when you open your bank account,
you fell out this documentation and it says that, but
it's kind of buried there and nobody really knows about it.
But just so just to make sure there's no discrepancies here,

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they went ahead and past this bank bailing legislation legislation recently.
And what that did is it just made it so
that they can take the money whenever they want. And
so my thinking is, you don't go through the trouble
of passing that legislation unless you intend to use it

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its own point. Right, So I'm assuming since they did that,
that they're going to take your money at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Well they didn't, didn't They.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Recited it. Yeah they did twenty fourteen. Yep. Absolutely, they
took They took anything above one hundred thousand euros or
you know, something like that. They took like a certain
percentage of a haircut, and they just and they're like, well,
what do you want it's just Russian mob money any anyway. Well,
I mean, if you can do it Cyprus, you can
do it, you can do it elsewhere. They tried it out,

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it worked, nobody got hung in the streets, so you know, yeah,
here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I tell people all the time, if it's not in
your hands, it doesn't belong to you. Simple as get
it safe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Yeah yeah, just just you know, be paranoid. Get some gold,
get some silver, get some cash out of the bank.
I mean, already you can see that there's a big
problem with cash. They treat it like, you know, you're
up to no good. They ask you a bunch of
questions when you want to get it out of your
bank account, things like that, Like they they view cash

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as like an anarchist tool, as somebody that spoke at
the world's largest anarchist conference. Of course I appreciate that, right,
But even then, cash is trash because it's US Federal
reserve notes. So so it's not the most punk thing
you can do to have cash. Definitely spending it, spending

(01:12:05):
your federal reserve notes in our in our case, in
a cash system, is better than doing it with credit cards.
But ultimately getting out of that system before it implodes
on itself. Getting into something tangible like gold and silver

(01:12:25):
or bitcoin or narrow or things like that. People, you know, land,
physical land, that's a nice thing to have. People are
starting to look for some options to get their uh,
you know, get their savings out of the banks, because
they're like, I don't think these banks are going to
be around much longer. Well, I mean they're the whole

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country is completely insolvent. Like we're broke, massively broke. We're
only not experiencing catastrophe because the rest of the world
hasn't figured it out yet, but we're broke. That's a
huge problem. So people are gonna want something that has value,

(01:13:11):
So you get to figure out what that is around
you and get it because paper, you know, paper bills
at some point ain't even gonna cut it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Fortunately, I concur we about the gold, silver, them sort
of things got to be tangible, definitely. Well, Charlie, it's
been brilliant talking to you again. Just before you go,
could you tell people about where, because I know you've
got a new website and everything. Tell people like what
you're up to and where they can listen to you
and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Yeah, Macroaggressions dot io is the brand new website. You
can check that out and find everything about the show
and the books, and I am working on getting the
audio look out for the Octopus.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Currently in review with Audible right now and Spotify, so
it ought to be out in the next couple of
weeks and that'll be good for people to check out.
If there's somebody that likes to listen to it instead
of read it, give you an option to do that,
and you can follow me on Twitter x at Macroaggression.

(01:14:24):
That's a good place to find me. Thanks for having
me back, Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
No, it's been brilliant, Charlie. I'd definitely encourage people to
listen to your podcast like I always listened to it,
and I said it last time when you was on.
It's information packed. Charlie does his research and he has
some brilliant guests on that as well. So thanks very
much Charlie for your time. I'll be back next week
guys with a new guest. I'm Paul and this is
beyond the paradigm my crazy. We don't use that word

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in here, s S S.