Dog Soldiers

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to another horrifying episode of Bill and Ashley's Terror
Theater on the Marquis. This week is twenty twenty two's
Dog Soldiers. Join us right after we get back from
getting a history lesson on the uses of super glue
while listening to Claire Dalone all that after these ads
we have no control over. Welcome back. I'm Ashley Coffin,

(00:50):
joined as always by my co host and Terror Bill Bria.
Bill Darling, how are we today?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Doing pretty well? And I hope I don't give you
the shits?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Maybe my favorite line from the film.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's pretty good with us again once again for the
ump teeth time.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
We haven't counted. We literally haven't counted.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
We have voice over extraordinary mister greatness himself, Mark ra Kusha.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
How are you Mark?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
The flock is heading into the fold. I was gonna do,
I was gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
I hope you give you the shits, so I may
have I may have misquoted that line, but yeah, it's
good though, keep.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Coming out strong. Before we begin the show, let's have
a look at the news from the world of horror. Bill,
what have you read from the neckro not in horror
this week? For us.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, let's see, I've got a couple of things that
I found online, as well as something personal which I
will leave for the end. So in terms of online
stuff that I've found here is that Chris Roach and
Jillian Jacobs, who wrote this earlier this year's Drop, are
we teaming with director Christopher Landin for this new thriller
called Blink of an Eye. Netflix has quote quote preemptively

(02:01):
acquired the script, but I don't know what that means.
I don't know if that's just sort of a first
look deal, but they might you know, jettison it later on,
or if they're definitely gonna make it, who knows. But
it's based on a story by Landon. He's attached to direct.
Plot details under wraps. But if you guys saw Drop,
I really liked it a lot. I think it's great
that they're committing to making these sort of original thrillers.
You know, hopefully it might go theatrical, but if it's Netflix,

(02:23):
it won't.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
But hey, Frankenstein is uh.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, like vaguely and so is a wake up dead Man, right.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
But anyway, so just kind of a cool, you know,
something to watch out for in the next few months
and along those lines, we have I think a little
bit like kind of like slightly big news and you
guys will help me on this here, which is that
Martin Scorsese. His next project apparently is going to be
something called What Happens at Night, which is an adaptation

(02:52):
of a twenty twenty horror mystery novel by Peter Cameron,
with of course you know Martin's. One of Martin's views
is Leo DiCaprio, but also Jennifer Lawrence set to star
in the film, which is gonna be written by Patrick Marber.
And again because it's Martin Scorsese in his era right now,
he's going to be doing it with Apple Original Films
and they're gonna write, finance and produce with Studio Canal.

(03:13):
They're gonna maybe start filming in January of next year.
It's apparently this novel draws comparisons to The Shining and
Twin Peaks. It's a dreamlike story of a married American
couple who traveled to a small, snowy European town to
adopt a baby. They check into a cavernous, largely deserted
hotel where they encounter an egnomatic cast of characters including
a flamboyant, shantous chantouiz I'm not never shouted up pronounce

(03:36):
that word, a depraved businessman, and a charismatic faith healer.
Nothing's quite as it seems in this strange, frozen world.
As the couple struggled to claim their baby, the less
they seem to know about themselves and the life they've
built together. So I brought this up just because they're
pitching this obviously as like, you know, a horror film, certainly,
And I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Has Scarsese ever made a horror movie?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
And I was like, well, he's made a lot of
horror adjacent stuff, like I guess Last of Christ, bringing
Out the Dead, Shutter Island.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
But what do you guys think? Do you do you
count any of those as horror or no.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I'm a little disappointed because I thought that he was
going to do the H. H. Holmes movie with Leonardo DiCaprio,
and that was the first horror thing that he said
he was going to do for so long, and I
don't know what happened to that, but I'm interested to
see what this will be. I guess, yeah, well you
said twin Peaks, and I'm immediately like okay.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
And I feel like it has like Shutter Island kind of.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I was going to say he did Shutter Island and yeah,
that's kind of.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's pretty.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I wouldn't call that horror, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
That's yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
I think adjacent horror. Adjacent is a good description for
for Shutter Island.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, but we do know that that Martin's been Mardy,
as his friends called him, has been very vocal with
every Aristra movie. He's just loved the bits and said
how much he's loved it. And a couple others too
that I can't recall. But he's been kind of on
a horror appreciation trend recently, so maybe, you know, maybe
he's going to push the envelope a little.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Bit for himself.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Who knows, But kind of dovetailing with that. Martin Scorsese
news is the producer of The Departed, so there's a
tissue there. Graham King is teaming with screenwriters Josh Miller
and Pat Casey on a horror comedy titled Dead Drunk,
and I wanted to bring this up for you, actually wow,
because I saw this, I saw this synopsis and I

(05:21):
thought of you instantly. In the film, a newly divorced
empty nester is coerced into taking a wine tasting tour
by her free spirited best friend. Subsequently, the two women
find themselves trapped in a vineyard with a terrifying secret.
If they struggle to survive, they discover an ironic twist
that could be their key to making it through their night.
Their only hope staying drunk to stay alive. They'll worry

(05:42):
about the hangovers if they live to see the dawn.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Is that the name of my memoir?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't know, but it seems like it's you and
Haley the movie, you know, So if it comes out
and it's decent, you know, maybe we should have her
to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
So I wanted to bring that up to let you
know that that's coming, because definitely sounds up your up
your alley, right your wino Alli. And of course, Miller
and Casey are working on the sequel to Violent Night
By the Night two, which is already shooting and it's
going to be here on December fourth of next year.
And finally, for my own personal thing, I just wanted

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to mention that over the weekend, on Friday night, I
attended part of Not the whole of because my mom
was visiting and I was entertaining her. But they had
a celebration of Screen Factory's thirteenth anniversary the boutique you know,
physical media horror label at Vidiots, which is a independent
cinema out here in LA and they showed a screening

(06:45):
of Joe Dante's Piranha, which I was not present for.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Unfortunately, I've seen We.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Just talked about that on our Patreon episode.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, but apparently Joe Dante was there in person and
was interviewed and everything like that. So unfortunately I missed that.
But what I did get to attend was the premiere
of the four K restoration of George A. Romero's Day
of the Dead, which is celebrating its fortieth anniversary this year.
And the guy who was instrumental in finding the actual film,

(07:13):
you know, stock or the negative, you know, the actual
elements for this restoration is this guy who Ashley and
I know, whose name is Jeff Roland, who works at
Screen Factory, and he gave a great little speech beforehand,
which I did shoot most of. So if the Patreon
gods are nice to me, maybe I can upload that
video to our Patreon I tried another video before and

(07:35):
it did not work out, but I don't know why.
But yeah, so I introduced myself to Jeff in person.
Of course, he recognized me from our collaboration on the
Mario Baba box set that Ashley and I were part of.
So yeah, so that was pretty neat. And yeah, I
think that they're planning on releasing the four K of
this new restoration of Day of the Dead soon. It

(07:55):
maybe even before the end of this year. We're not sure.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
They didn't put a release date yet on it, but
apparently it's already kind of popping up on some websites
for like pre order soon, so we'll see.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I we should cover that one. Yeah, when they when
they drop it, we'll cover it because I don't I
don't think we have to start with the first one. God,
we have, we have plans anyway, we'll be back with
our feature film after these missives from the grave we
have no control over, and we're back.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
So if you know me, you know I love war
movies and you know I love Werewolve movies. So what
happens when you smash the two into one? Insane blood
soaked teeth, bearing blit, flying masterpiece, you get Dog Soldiers,
and I fucking love it. I'm going to try not
to use the effort a lot, but they do so
I might.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I love this movie so much. Oh, and I remember
the first time I saw it was on Sci Fi
because I don't think it had like a big release
out here, and I remember seeing it on TV and
being like, I know there's a lot more to this.
I have to go find it. And I found it
at my local video den, which did four horror movies
four dollars for days, and that was how I've seen

(09:10):
a lot of horror movies that we talk about on here.
But I immediately bought this movie and I loved it,
and I had it on VHS, and it's one of
those movies that I can watch all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, yeah, I was thinking about it and I this
is one of the again, one of those movies in
the ether that I don't have a distinct memory of
seeing for the first time and being like, oh, I've
saw this movie for the first time. Because I absolutely
remember seeing The Descent for the first time in the
theater and being absolutely blown away and being like, this
guy is one of my new favorites. I have to

(09:42):
see everything he makes. It's amazing, and I don't remember
he didn't go to his first I don't remember if
that was the time that I was like, oh, it's
this Deil Marshall Gli I've just been introduced to, or
if I'd already known about it, because I do have
a similar memory of seeing this maybe on TV. But
then again, this was around the period this, you know,
two thousand and two was and it hit DVD in

(10:02):
the States, and then of course I had a theatrical
release in the UK around the same time, but not here,
and I was working in Hollywood Video then, and I
have a feeling that maybe I did see it through
the video store and I saw it that way.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's been too long, and unfortunately the thing with memory
is that it gets really kind of mushy and gross
and everything. Yeah, I love this movie too. I definitely
think I must have, because there was a reason I
would have seen The Descent, you know, and not just gone, oh,
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I don't remember the sequence of events, but at any case,
I definitely think it was around that time before The
Descent came out that I definitely saw at some point,
and yeah, it was just like you know, like any
horror fan, like hungry for new Werewolf action, hungry just
for action. Yeah itself, and I think that, you know,
I love, like wholeheartedly, with every fiber of my being,

(10:52):
The Descent and even Doomsday a lot more, but I
still love this one. I have nippicks on this one,
but none of it makes me like it less.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Strangely enough, I don't remember the first time I saw
this movie either. And like you, Ashley, I love horror movies.
I love mash up movies. I love werewolf movies, I
love war movies, so mashing all that together.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Again. Yeah, love it.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
But for some reason, I don't remember the first time
I saw it. I do, I just kind of like
from that time period from the early two thousands, I
just always.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Remember watching it. I definitely don't.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
I didn't see The Descent until well after it came out,
but this one I have always loved. And I think
it is because of this movie and then Centurion that
I went back and watched all the other Neil Marshall movies.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Which there aren't many of, you know, Unfortunately, and this
is you know, one of the things that bums me
out about his career is that he had such an
incredible strong start with these movies and then you know,
the industry was changing and things were kind of moving
into a weird sort of non is he says in
one of the interviews on the disc that I went through, Uh,
you know, his kind of Bread and Butter was the

(12:11):
mid budget movie.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, and oh well yeah, like he.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
He I will interchecked. Yeah, he directed two of my
favorite Game of Throne episodes, literally of them.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Okay, okay, no, it's literally was going was literally had
to move.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I don't watch Game of Thrones. You don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Blackwater and the old episodes were they were the best,
some of the best episodes in the entire The Blackwater
was so awesome, and that was season two and Watchers
on the Wall when they finally like came to Oh
my god, and plus what was happening on the other
side of that with Dan Arees. Those were my two
top Game of Thrones.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeahh no.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
And he gives a really in depth interview talking about
just like the shape of his career where he thought,
or at least was trying to be you know, a
twenty first century version of his heroes like Joe Dot Dave,
Sam Raimi, you know, all these folks that we love.
And you know, he was just not lamenting, but just
sort of saying, like, yeah, it's funny how it worked
out where I became more of a TV guy in
which he's more than as he says, he's more than

(13:08):
happy to you know, execute someone else's vision, which is
that is television as a director.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well it was it Gray's Anatomy. He's like got three
hundred episodes of that under his belt.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah right, Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
And you know, like and God bless him because obviously
keeps him employed and keeps him paid and keeps him
you know, giving giving him a living. But like it
sucks that like when he came back to do his
hell Boy movie, you know, which he will be make
no bones about not having a good experience on that.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
And out there.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah yeah, And it's because he said, you know, like
he didn't have any creative control and it wasn't the
TV thing of like, yes, I'm executing someone else's vision,
but I like that vision, so I don't care that
I'm you know, not necessarily the visionary behind it.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
So, and he's kind of starting to make a comeback
here and there. I think there's you know a few
rumblings of things that he might have in the pipeline.
But yeah, this that first four movie run from him
is just legendary.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well it's him and his buddy Keith Bell were working
on that movie in nineteen ninety six that they hated,
uh can't remember killing time and they were like, you
know what, we're just gonna find people to fund us.
We're going to do what we want to do. And
it took them so long, and that's it's kind of
very Raymy esque, like you have to just keep working
at it. We're going to keep revising our script. We're

(14:26):
going to do you know, years and years of finding people.
And then the guy who finally helped them was this guy,
David Allen, who had money to spend from his family's
vegetable canning company in Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Neil Marshall calls him a spinach magnate.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, he put up all the money to do it
because he found a tax break in Luxembourg. Like, honestly,
the only parts of the Highland that were filmed is
the aerial views of it. The rest of it was
in Luxembourg because of some kind of tax break and listen,
you gotta do what you got to do back then. Yeah,
it took them a very long time to get this
movie going.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
It did, and I'm glad they stuck to their guns
and were able to find you know, obviously, Alan put
up the money, and even though I guess Alan and
Marshall had some significant creative differences later on in the production,
he never, you know, begrudges him because he's like, he
gave me the money, I made my first feature, blah
blah blah. But also there's a Christopher Figg as a
co producer on this too, who had a whole storied

(15:17):
history in genre films, specifically in the UK because he
helped produce Clive Barker's first couple of movies Hell Raiser
and Night Breed. Uh and yeah and this, you know this,
this was able to get a little bit more of
his notoriety there too. But it's crazy the long pre
production creative this movie not only allowed Marshall to write

(15:39):
several drafts of the script before it ever got made,
so that's why it's a really good script.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
The script is fabulous, and it really is.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
This was a movie that very nearly starred in early
Jason Statham and Simon Pegg. Yeah yeah, isn't that crazy?
They were busy as Cooper and uh well, Simon Peg wasn't.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well, Simon Begg promised he would be in his.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
First time solo.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
But listen the guy who plays Cooper. Yeah, he's great,
so sexy. I don't know if it's because he saves
the dog in the beginning and then continues to save
dogs throughout it. But I'm just like, I'll marry you
right now.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
You Spoon Spoon is who you're talking about, right, you're yeah, right, yeah, yeah, Sorry,
I mixed up the Simon Peg. Simon Peg was going
to play Spoon, he was going to play Cooper.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Was going to play Cooper. Yeah, which I'm glad he didn't.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
A lot of movies start with a save the cat moment,
but this movie starts with a shoot the dog moment.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
And it's rough.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, it's rough. Yeah, I'll let you know that that. Sorry,
I let you know that. Uh that Ryan is a
bad guy.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Ryan is a bad guy, because that's what Nazis used
to do. The thing about this movie is they didn't
make a werewolf movie with soldiers. They made a soldier
war movie that just happened to have werewolf. So, like,
all the stuff that they're talking about is very factual
in the military, down to the super glue and all
the other things like the animals being used in warfare
and this and that, and you did have the Nazis

(17:02):
what made you like, They make you raise a dog
and then at the end of the thing, you had
to kill the dog. And it's awful trigger warning. Sorry,
I don't want to bring it up, but that's why
immediately I'm in love with Cooper because he's like, I
don't I'll throw everything away that I've been working for
to not kill this dog because you're a piece of shit,
And I'm like, oh, I love you.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Also, I really do appreciate the subversiveness of this script,
which is exactly what we're talking about now, which is
that there is this cardinal rule in filmmaking, storytelling what
have you of, like never killed the dog, but certainly
not if you're the protagonist. You can never kill an animal,
but specifically a dog. And the joke quote unquote of
this movie is that it is one long story leading

(17:40):
up to the hero killing a dog. Yeah, quote unquote,
but yeah, yes, it's obviously a big copy.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
And it's funny you say that because I'm against the
werewolves until they get hurt and they're like, oh, I'm like, oh,
I don't hurt that puppy.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's just yeah. But again, like that's the that's the
real subversive nature of it. And I think that all
great horror has that subversiveness to it, and I think
that's really one of the things that fuels this movie
is that it does, you know, blur lines a lot
in a way that's pleasing, but not it never takes
you out of it so far where it's like, oh,
now I'm comfortable and I don't like this necessarily sort
of thing.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
They take the wereolf story to a different level where
it's not just the up you know, like the broken
person who's chaining themselves up in the woods or in
the basement. They're like, oh, I don't want to be
these werewolves kind of like that they're were wolves.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Really don't ever get to meet them, so we don't
have any idea what their life is like like I
guess they have a nice cottage in the woods, and
you know, they take pictures together.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, have meals together of human flesh. Who knows.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah they Yeah, they have the tastes like pork.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Pork, Is that what you guys were eating? And that's
why he puked all over plugaus. They're eighty people black.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah, And they do take the time to lock the
dog in the cupboard, so they like their dog, which
is nice. But they are not above eating hikers and
hit and hitch hikers. So they seem to be with
the exception of you know, spoiler alert, with the exception
of Megan, they seem to be pretty okay with being

(19:10):
were wolves.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
We're already diving in cauld we talk about the Yeah,
I'm gonna do the plot. I was just going to say,
let's do the plot and then talk about the rules
that are going on in this world for me because
they are thin.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
So the plot is Dog Soldiers follows a squad of
British soldiers on a training mission in the Scottish Highlands.
They stumble upon the remains of a slaughtered Special Forces
team and soon realize they're being hunted by werewolves. Taking
refuge in a remote farmhouse. They have to fight to
survive the night man. So I'm the werewolf lore is

(19:43):
pretty fun in this because I swear to god, they're
running around during the daytime, right, those were wolves are
running around during the daytime.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, I will say that.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I think that one of the reasons that it's kept
me all these years from from fully being like, yes,
that movie rocks, because like I really you know, I
didn't watch it for fifteen years until this this podcast,
and I watched it the other week or so, however
long it took me to go through the extras and everything,
and I was like, Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
This is really great. This is really great. This is
really great.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
And I remembered so much of it, of course and
all that, and yet I still obviously remembered the stuff
that I was, you know, kind of quote unquote bothered
by as a teenager when I first saw it, which
is exactly what you're saying the rules of the Werewolf
floor in contrast to what you and I actually were
just recently talking about with our frid Night episode, We're like,
it's so traditional vampire that you can't get more, you know, this,
It's like it's sticking to most of the traditional you

(20:33):
know on screen Werewolf Floor in terms of silver hurts
them and they transform because of the full moon and
they you know, hunt.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Meet people and all that. But yeah, the rules of
like how.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
You're transforming and win specifically and why also, I guess
we can put out there because, as Marshall himself says
on one of his interviews or commentary, you know, generally
the Howling and American Werewolf in London are considered like
the new sort of Bell Weathers of wear Wolf Floor
on see on screen and cinema, And of course Howling
is a voluntary transformation most of the time, and American

(21:05):
Werewolf is an involuntary transformation. And it feels like Dog
Soldiers is right in the middle weirdly where it's like
I feel like some of them maybe can choose and
then occasionally maybe something gets triggered, but like you can't
help it. Well, like they have that great conversation which
I love in the middle of the movie when you
know Sarge's healing up and he's like, you know, Cooper,
you gotta let me go, Like I'm not gonna make it,

(21:26):
and it's like, you know, maybe it's like taking a
piss or you can't stop yourself, and it's like maybe
it's like taking a shite, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
And you can pinch it off if you have to.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Pinch it off if you have to or something. Which
is so funny because when I first started, and you know,
not to get to you know, personal, but anybody listens
to this podcast knows that I'll talk about it. When
I first started having symptoms from my old sort of colitis,
and this was around two thousand and four, you know,
it was it went undiagnosed for at least a year, right,

(21:55):
so this is two thousand and three, because I got
diagnosed in two thousand and four. And when I first
had those first symptoms and it was literally uncontrolled, almost
an uncontrollable urge to go to the bathroom, all I
can think of in my head was, Oh, this must
be what it's like to have a werewolf curse, because
you know, it was literally that that compelling feeling from
something deep within you of like it's happening and you

(22:18):
only have this much control over it, and like that's it,
and like you really won't be able to stop it,
you know, sort of thing, which is crazy it's definitely
like body horror for sure, But yeah, what do you
guys think about the rules of.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
The I honestly thought about when I see the full
moon out during the day, like what if it was
just one of those days where it wasn't quite dark
out yet enough and the moon was out, Because it
does descend into a nighttime pretty quickly, but it is
like that twilight. Like sometimes three o'clock in the afternoon,
we see the moon and.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
You're like, huh, what are you doing out dare moond?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well, if you're a werewolf, you're like, oh, what are
you gonna do your cubicle?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Like shit, Yeah, I think the way that we see
it through Megan, who is I think the only werewolf
person we really get to know in terms of the
character and the fact that she's able.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Spend one of them this whole time and she was
holding it in.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Right, because yeah, that's what I was gonna get to
is the fact that, like we have the revelation that
she's the one who took the pictures of the family,
which means that she's been there at least a while
since she came on the first excursion with Captain Ryan's team.
Whoever long ago that was and uh, yeah, so and
she's hoping that the Squatties can like, you know, find
some way. There's also a bit of wearable floor at
some point, kind of like vampire lore of like if

(23:30):
you kill the werewolf that turned you, maybe you'll be cured,
you know, who knows. But yeah, I think that she's
maybe hoping that the Squatties can sort of save her
from this you know, new reality that she's entered. But
then by the end she's like, Okay, these guys aren't
gonna make it, and like, you know, the Werewolf family
are just too powerful and we're too great. So yeah,
the way that she's performing that moment where she's about
to transform feels a little bit like Okay, I really

(23:53):
had to shit for like hours now, and like it's
happening yeah, or something like that.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think it's I think they're the way they approach
the the werewolf rules, and this one is very interesting
because like I think, you know, if they if they
had it in the budget.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
To like really shoot at night, they probably would have.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
But I think that, you know, it's like I think
it's what Spoon says, like we better hurry up it's
gonna be dark soon. And you look at it like that,
it looks like it's about three o'clock in the after
vent it and like, you know, if they again, if
they had the budget for like the transformations to happen
instead of just like, oh I fell down behind the
table and I'm aware. Yeah, yeah, so you know, guys,

(24:34):
we have we have budget for contact lenses and fake
teeth and full costumes and that's it. So I think
that's I will say, Oh no, I was just yeah.
I think, like, you know, the way they kind of
approach it is interesting. And this is kind of tangentially
uh related.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Ashley to your wig dar.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
You know, she's talking about like, yeah, silverhards them, but
then she says the thing about mana brows is know rubbish,
that's made up, but we don't have those. Yeah, but okay,
so you know, if those guys were paying attention, they
would know that that means she had seen the werewolves
in their human forms first of all. Second of all,

(25:17):
later when when they they're looking at the picture and
Kevin McKidd smashes the picture when it cuts back, the
next shot is of Meghan's face.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Her eyebrows look wild h wild.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, there's a lot of like hints threaded throughout the
movie that it maybe it may seem obvious to the
audience at least on a second watch, but maybe even
on a first watch. But certainly the point is that
the squatties are not paying attention to her. Yeah, and
like she at one point she's like, I know how
to kill them, and they're just like not listening.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Shut up. Yeah, and like that.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I guess there was a deleted thread in sort of
the character beats that they shot or they scripted and
they took out, which is kind of what Megan's alluding
to when she's starting to transform, where you know, she
and Cooper are talking about like women or bitches or something,
and I guess he.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Shouldn't listen to us. It's like, girl, whose side are
you on?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
The reason for that is that I guess there was
a subplot or like a like a sort of minor
thread in the character of Cooper were like early in
the film where they're doing the squatty maneuvers out in
the woods, Cooper's talking to Sarch about how his girlfriend
recently dumped him and that you know, as a result,
he doesn't trust women anymore, you know sort of thing,
And so I guess that maybe at some point he

(26:29):
would have talked to Megan about that during like a
soft moment, you know, in the in the siege, and
you know that's kind of her response to him, where
it's like, you know, hey, don't blame this on women,
but definitely blame about.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Me, because I'm about to kill you.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And the one thing in this movie that I'm I'm
honestly critical of the only thing is that I really
think they you should have let Megan become a werewolf
and attack him.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I love that he shot her in.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
The head right away.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Killed Well, fuck you, you fucking bitch. That's all I have
to say about that.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I just wanted to see the Megan wear.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
I think we do see me weolf later and yeah,
after she gets shot, we there is a one eyed.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Were wolf very quickly. Yeah, and I think Marshall.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Is on on record saying that that was Megan.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Interesting they so, well, why.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
It's not a silver bullet?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
The practical with the werewolves is one of my favorites
of were wolf movies. They really do a good job
and instead of stump people. They got professional dancers to
be the werewolves, which is why they're very lean and
they have a certain way of moving. He wanted to
be more agile. They got these tiny little legs. But
I'll take And that's what I love about this movie
so much. Blow up the miniatures. Give me the practical

(27:46):
were wolves. Yeah, Ryan, werewolf wasn't amazing with all that
long hair, Like they're they're so scary and they're so perfect,
and I love them just being engulfed in all of
the smoke that's coming on. Like, there are so many iconic.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Shots from this shot with the we in the house, running.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Down the corridor, coming through the window in the Yeah,
and then behind Megan went all like, we're already.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
In the house, and the one just just looming over
Sarge when they yeah, when the other one's coming in
the window and the other one and there's they're so
long and and creepy looking, and Yeah. The fact that
he got dancers, like really like it adds such a like,
you know, beyond just like the inherent grace of of

(28:32):
a you know, a professional dancer, you know, classical not
necessarily I'm sure strippers make great werewolves too, but that's
another A lot of strippers are classically trend.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, I mean, come on, we should cut that.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Remember zombie strippers with the my.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Buddy Zach was my buddy Zach.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I love it?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Who was it was James?

Speaker 4 (28:59):
My buddy Zach was the zombie who bit Jenna Jamison.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
So get there.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
But it's it's like not just like the grace, but
like the uh physicality and like you know, bodily connection
that dancers have like when they move, like just like
those quick shots of like the were wolves running, it's
like this incredible. It doesn't look like a person in
a wolf suit running. It looks like, you know, there's Yeah,

(29:29):
they're so uh yeah, graceful and it's.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Really really great.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
There was a really inspired decision, uh to to get
dancers to do it well.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Shout up to uh also Dave Bonniewell, the makeup effects guy,
as well as Bob Kings, who yeah, designed and built
these these werewolves, which, apparently, according to their interviews, like
nothing ever went wrong on set, which is rare for
practical effects. Like I guess there was a couple of
servos that had to be replaced here and there and whatnot. Uh,
there was like a moment when one of the wolf's

(30:02):
arms get chopped off, that like it the blood thing
like blew up when it shouldn't have and it got
all over the guy. But like other than like small
minor things like that, like nothing there was. It wasn't
Gremlins in other words, where like you know famously, Yeah,
those things never work.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I feel like all the blood spatter and this was perfect. Yeah,
against all the windows wherever you need to see it.
Poor Spoon, how did you not see that werewolf in
the back seat?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, that's not Spoon, that's somebody else right into that show. Joe, Yeah,
that's Joe.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
It's hard to keep them, you know what. They all
look exactly the same. And I will give it up
to Marshall because you're having it's your first movie. You
have to define all these characters. We're following everybody. We're
doing siege and fights, and I care about all of them.
But I know it's Joe, Vince Spoon, Ryan who I
don't care about, and Walls, but there's like what's his
face's name is Bruce.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Campbells and then HG.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Walls Wells, Yeah, this is Neil. Marshall goes full Fred
deck or in this movie where it's just so many
references per permit. What I wanted to say too is
that this movie, also I've always thought of this movie,
is having what I call the Alien three problem, which
is that a ton of great English actors.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
But they're all white.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
They're all like the same level of goods, so like
you kind of easily forget who right, and they all
have the same haircut.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, yeah, they all the same haircut because they're in
their army. So yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
But one thing kind of connecting that and the makeup department,
they go a little nuts with the scars in this movie.
Everybody has like a really cool, gnarly facial scar, which
I didn't really notice the first time, but I think
probably the first time I watched it, I was watching
it on like a VCR TV combo in.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
A in a dorm room somewhere, But like now.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Like watching it on the you know, an eighty inch television,
I'm like, oh, that's a that scar does not look
as good as I thought it did.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
And it keeps moving changing size.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, but well, let's not talk about Sarge's intestines, which
are very clearly sausages.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
So That's the thing about the actors in this movie
is they never stop being serious about what's happening, and
that's what makes it really work, because literally his intestines
are being ripped out, not only by the werewolves but
then by the dog, and then she's scissor cutting them
and he's fine. He's just fine and screaming. But my

(32:24):
favorite thing about that scene towards the end is what's
his face? Was like, what if I get really drunk
and we just do this scene Lucy Goosey and he
was avered and he the guy who plays Cooper, broke
his nose on the second punch. But it's like, you
know what, It's a beautiful scene and it's very hectic
and crazy, so I was like, Wow, he's acting the
shit out of this. No, you're just drunk like me.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I really do love Schempert we but especially in this
I also love the fact that he's a or at
least used to be a staple or a.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Muse of Paul W.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
S Anderson's where he showed up in Paul's lif first film, Shopping,
and then he showed up an event Horizon, I believe
as well. And I think he's also the lead of
the Prophecy Fur I'm pretty.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Sure, which I just recently saw.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
But yeah, he's always a just a fun presence, and
for some reason I also like him additionally because I
think he must be from the same region of England
that one of my favorite musicians, Damon Albarn of Blur,
is because every time I see him, I'm like, it
looks it sounds kind of similar. So that's just for me.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Fun fact, speaking about Scotland, I would have known that
that bitch was lying the first second she said it's
a four hour drive anywhere, because a four hour drive
over Scotland is to the other side of Scotland, Like
Isaig zagged all over that country and nothing was more
than a two hour drive. Four hours is the whole thing, right,
And you're from England, so come on, guys.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
And apparently Luxembourg, where they actually shot it, is also
just very small, like apparently.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Yeah that's and I think, you know, like that's that's
one of those things like we were talking about this.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
On on the on the Aliens or Alien Earth.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Podcast and it's like, are we is this a writing
mistake or is this an unreliable narrator?

Speaker 4 (34:08):
And like I think it is. You know, it could
be like I think it's in this instance, I think
it's an unreliable narrator.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Like of course, like anybody in the UK probably knows
that if you travel fifty miles in one direction in Scotland,
you're not just gonna not see anything yet. Yeah, like
you're gonna there's gonna be you're gonna pass gonna places
to buy iron brew before you you know, before you
get twenty miles. But uh yeah, And it was interesting

(34:36):
when they talk about the fact that like Kevin McKidd
who plays uh Cooper, is Scottish and like so often
yeah he's right, so often has to do in an
English accent or an American accent.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
It actually gets to use his real accent in this
So like.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
When he you know, he's a Scottish guy and he's
got this woman saying, oh, it's just fifty miles to
the closest town, it's like he so, you know, well,
one thing they say is that like that line was
in there from when it was supposed to be Statham,
And the other thing is like, you know he's like
a soldier like listening to you know, he's like, ah,
this broad what does she know?

Speaker 4 (35:10):
You know, like, which is kind of what they do
for a while.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, but then yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Well he picks it up when she's like shut up, Ryan,
He's like, whoa, yeah, do you guys know each other?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Wait a minute, I got that.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Within the first ten seconds of of giving each other eyes.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah, okay, which apparently even that was something that was
added by I think Alan Uh, the producer, which Marshall
was not pleased with because I thoughts he wanted to
originally leave Megan's story a lot simpler but also like
without the conspiracy angle of like she already you Ryan
and all this stuff. Like, but I think it was
I think it's nice to, you know, in a movie
filled with layers of deception and and you know, disguise.

(35:48):
It's like, okay, that's yet another one where it's like, yeah,
this this this woman knew this person you know before.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Now.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Now, but you said you watched like the special features,
So does that Did you watch the four K like
the like five year old restoration?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah? I guess that would.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Okay, So yeah I watched. I watched the Amazon Prime
version and uh, it looks like ship.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
My shutter.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Okay, I.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Should watched on short that was a dumb move, but like,
uh yeah, it's like that early two thousands like horror style,
like grainy digital footage does not look good on Amazon
was a film.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
This was shot on.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Sixteen sixteen mil. And I was going to say it
holds up like the Wearwolf feud black and White really
holds up.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
It all looks so looking good so much. I another
criticism my head is I wanted more of it. Yeah,
it's just like I want to say more of.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
It, but they were not of the house far. But
like when he jumps out the window with the flare,
we get a little bit more of it.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
And but I'm just like, oh, that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
When they hold it back like it makes you more
and that's the right thing.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
On this rewatch, I did love the moment where uh,
you see Ryan and like using the the you know,
light amplification goggles and he's like looking around and then
and it looks distinct and then it cuts to the
were wolf vision and that looks distinctly like different from
you know.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I loved that like gat juxtaposition of.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Like normal then you know light amplication goggles and then
were wolf vision, like all in like the span of
four seconds was great.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I love that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Let's say, it's hard to believe that this is this
guy's first film and it's just done so well, which
is why I believe he got, yeah, so many other
opportunities after it, because it is hard to do what
you're doing and make it stay serious. But also it's
so off the walls, boggers, like the things that the
the action scenes are so long when they do happen,

(37:46):
and they're so well done, and there's blowing up barns,
and it's just it's it's a masterpiece. Yeah, I mean,
it's a masterpiece.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Something that I think that why I wanted us to
talk about too, is the fact that, like, because kind
of to your point you were just making mark, is
that the visual language of this movie being of its time,
which absolutely is true. And certainly I know that Marshall's
gone on record saying that at least at the beginning
and the ending, the more pronounced shaky cam was a
reference to you know, sat Ryan, which of course Bielberg

(38:17):
had made in ninety eight.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, and you know that was its own sort of
you know, big, huge revolutionary moment in Warson of A
and then of course Realley Scott just went even further
with that with Black Hawk Down, and then his brother
Tony Scott even further with that in other of his movies.
And yeah, the fact that like even like the same
year that this movie came out in the UK was
also twenty eight days later, which was famously ugly quote

(38:42):
unquote you know for being digital and all that Danny
boyleness of it. But I think what it's interesting as
our horror movie scholars that we are now as adults
as opposed to me as a kid who didn't really
know this, was that, you know, this movie Dog Soldiers
really did mark this sort of scene change in the
UK genre film, uh, in a in a big way.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Obviously there's been nothing since Hammer.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Honestly, as we as we talked about you know many
times in the show, like it is all spectrum and
you know, in general, obviously nothing since Hammer is true.
But like we just mentioned Hell, Razor and Night Breed,
like do they count as British horror films?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Like no they don't. I mean kind of.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
We're shot there right and sort of thing, So like
you know, it is a weird sort of territory, but
certainly the whole video nasty you know era of the
eighties and that stretched into the nineties and like the
whole BBFC debacle of censorship and everything like that really
start to loosen up, so that yeah, like Dog Soldiers
definitely feels like it certainly is and as well as
feels like, uh, the the biggest you know change, because

(39:45):
after this, you know, it's it's been.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
There was a ton of wear well Phoebe after.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
This, Yeah, a ton yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Wow Country love Bite How, which I've told you to
watch about them going after the trail.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Oh yeah, I love.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
How Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And also the fact that, yeah,
this this really did present the werewolf movie quote unquote
as an alternative to what everybody kind of assumed it
was or thought it should be, which is the werewolf
curse and you know, being tortured as a reluctant werewolf
and all that, which I feel like has gone so
far in its own direction that I wish that that

(40:18):
would come back a little bit more because I haven't
seen it. I don't know if I felt like I've
seen it in recent years, you know, because I feel
like most recent werewolf movies have been again. New spins
on the lore of like, you know, this is a
metaphor for you know, puberty, or this is a metaphor
for you know, a fucking night bitch was a metaphor
for being a mom or whatever.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
You know. So which I didn't see.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I saw it, Hey what's her face to say? It's
that time she turns into a werewolf? And I didn't.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
I was like, yeah, that didn't age.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Well, now, oh did you guys?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
See there was a trailer of this where it says
like you're part of a six man squad and you
get trapped down house, there's no way out, you're being
attacked from outside. Which person is going to crack first?
And that shows quick shots of all the characters and
it says, did you choose the woman? Don't be so
said wow it was like soldiers, you know, it was like, wow,

(41:14):
that was so fun.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well, hey, I mean this showed us
that the biggest detriment to werewolves is apparently a flash
photography can which I do love that they show us
some of those pictures.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Those pictures are great, and the tabloid magazine as well.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
It's yeah, says my entire troop was killed by werewolves. Also,
Germany lost five to one, which is a good way
to date that because that was an actual game, so
we know exactly when this.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Movie Tookptember fifth or some sixth or seventh, two thousand
and one, September first, Yeah, it was a full moon.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Now kind of uh switching attack here a little, but
also kind of backtracking because you mentioned this already, Ashley,
But like, one thing I really love about this movie,
As I said, I love war movies, but like the
how authentic I mean, I'm saying this like I was
never in the military, but I've read a lot.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
I read a lot of books and.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
The the the banter, and like the relationship between the
squad feels so authentic. And Marshall's father and grandfather were
both in the military, so I think, like he said,
like it was very important to him that it feel real. Uh,

(42:37):
you know in that like the you know, the military
aspect feel real. And a lot of the crew were
also military guys. In fact, the in one of the
opening shots where they're jumping out of the helicopter, uh,
the insurance company would not cover the actors jumping out
of the helicopter so a bunch of the crew members
who were former army guys put on suited up and yeah,

(43:01):
like so they yeah, they did, so.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
They were there.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
You know, they have those guy you have, you know,
Neil with his family history, and then all these crew
guys there to like help with that.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
That said, there are some.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Gun uh mistakes, but we you know who.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Cares most movies.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a gun nerd but oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
And then so you know, going even farther that heaping
even more praise on how how well Marshall captures that
kind of like military camaraderie. This movie was like the
for a long period of time, the most watched movie
by British forces in Afghanistan and Iraq after it came out.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So like they kept talking about the sucks or whatever
that story. Yeah where it was like the several British
it's only like ten thousand.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
It was very much like the British Zulu.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Ulu. Yeah. They were you know, doing things that the
British colony is and shouldn't have been there anyway, but
they also found them.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Were there first too.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
This is just this is another this is another story
that's their territories. The early two thousands. Guys, we didn't
know how bad colonialism was. We it wouldn't have been
if those if we just did, if you just left
those were wolves alone, just you just left.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Them alone in the little highlands, they just don't anyway.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I will say this movie, I'm bring this subjec because
I wuldn't talk about anyway. This movie has a very
belabored setup because once it gets to the house, it
is fucking all killer and filler.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
It just is.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
But then we find out like the US government wanted
to use them like dolphins and harness the werewolves for
the military.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
And yeah, let's go squad is like as bad, but
they gave them the cover story that's newers. Also the
structure of the of the story of the opening of
like the opening scene, which is great, and then it
cuts to four hours earlier and I'm like, okay, four
hours earlier, and then after that scenes over, it's four
weeks later, weeks later, when are we what time is it?

(45:05):
It is a weird opening, but really I think effective
and I love again it feels this is why it
feels like I like Neil's kind of tongue in cheek
or cheeky is a more British term approach to this,
because it really does feel like, why was that early
scene with the hikers there?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Why do we have to do all that before us?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
And then we get to the knife and at the
end and I'm like, oh, that's a great scene.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Okay, great, it's so good.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Of course they're hanging and there's a human meat locker
under the house because these were wolves are just living
their best to were wolf life. Yeah, just having a
good time as long as you don't come in there.
They only take a hiker or two, you know, a
full moon.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
It does also kind of like feel like it could
very well be a a byproduct of this being like
the fifteenth draft of the scrapt What if we started,
what if we started four weeks before the well, then
we'll lose it, all right, there's gonna be four hours,
four hours earlier, four weeks later.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Hey, you know what, you guys maybe brought up the
point that like because we had because originally, as he
was saying on the commentary, I just listened to he
at that end. You know, tabloid article originally had written
England five, Germany's zero, and then once that score it
happens when they were making the movie, he was like, oh,
that's too good. I should just leave it as the
actual score. And maybe then he was working out, oh

(46:25):
that was a full moon that night too, even better. Yeah,
sort of thing, so maybe all the sort of wonky
timeline is like, Okay, let's try and make it fit
with actual history a little bit.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I do love all the jargon in this. The one
liners are just so good, Like you think I'm nuts,
but I'm not a fruit peak lady.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
They even have to sit down and explain bone to Megan,
which is great.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
A lot of people don't know that.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
No, I love it. I love that bone.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Yeah, and another another cool uh well, I guess not
strictly speaking military, but like when he says open your
mouth and watch your toes, I.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Was gonna ask you about that. Yeah, is that a thing?
So you don't buy your tongue or something.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
During an explosion, what what will rupture your ear drums
is the difference in pressure. So if your mouth closed,
the pressure in your head will stay the same and
then your ears will rupture.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
But if your mouth is open.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Then the pressure differential is you know, can go through
your mouth instead of your ears.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I had that in my notes to ask you guys
if you knew what that was about.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
And also Perty was throwing in his own stuff that
he got from other sources too, that Marshall was saying
that like earlier in the film, he says something about
let's let's talk it through the white grass or something
like that, and apparently he got that from Real Well,
the other actor. Yeah, so they were just in this
environment of like feeling free to like experiment throw stuff out,
not if you rise per se, but like, yeah, well they're.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Being so serious. And then at one scene, Wells picks
up a stick and goes, hey, fetch and then throws
it across the thing, and you're like, what what are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
They do a really good job of balancing the horror
and the action and the comedy in this movie. And
I would never say this is like a horror comedy,
but I would it's a it's a horror action film,
oh with comedy, and the comedy comes from like it
comes from like mostly a realistic.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Cli It's almost like a James gunscript. I don't like
watching Peacemaker, like like a Peacemaker James gunscript. With all
the little comments happening and all this stuff in the background,
like these werewolves are pussies, and then the werewolf flipping
Vince out of the window and killing him after he
says that there's a lot of fabulous script.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
And my favorite moment in a movie full of favorite
moments has got to be when the werewolf reaches in,
grabs the shotgun out of his hands and then fires
it back into the house.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Which you could easily miss that on first watch because
it had so fast fast, and like, unfortunately we don't
get the money shot, which again is I I wish
we got to have like a werewolf holding the shotgun
shooting it.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
It's your mind, I know.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I even like the dog at the end, the dogs
like whoa what, I'm a werewolf too. You guys don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
That that brings up.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
That brings up something I love thinking about, and that
is the fact that animals don't know they're in a movie,
and you know, like like like the horses, the horses
and the Lord of the Rings, like, well are those
orcs and this what's going on?

Speaker 3 (49:30):
I haven't And then this.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Dog is like this dog is like being surrounded by
people in seven foot werewolf. That's gotta be terrifying for
a dog. But uh, and we touched upon this a
little bit, but I'm like, I want to talk more
about the nods in this movie, like it is, there
are so many. I made a list. I don't think
I got them all. But like for the alien stuff,

(49:55):
I think.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Is Aliens Matrix Star Trek two.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
The wrap up the fact like, yeah, the Aliens.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
Yeah, well for like Aliens there you know, yes, Bruce
Campbell and then Bruce Campbell be running.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Through the woods get stab by a stick. But that would
probably you'd be running pretty fast.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I'd be very scared of where maybe.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah maybe yeah, and it was dark, don't forget yeah exactly.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
But like the fact that like he's uh, Cooper says
short controlled bursts so many times in this movie, which
is exactly what they say in Aliens three. But and
just like in Aliens, no one at any point in
this film fires a short controlled burst.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
It is all auto.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, He's like, now we're down to ten bullets.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
My favorite reference in this thing loaded with references is
the fact that when they're talking about blowing up the
bar and Cooper tells Spoon, like you it's gonna go
all as a prisky point in there, and I'm like
the fact that it's implying that these squadis have seen
Michaelangelo Antonio needs Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Yeah, it's a deep cut for a bunch of working
class soldiers.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
And also.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
The fact that he is it is it Spoon who
says too it says uh oh, it's a Koba Yeshimru
like you're a star trek URTIs, Yeah, like yeah, star
of course.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Well it's also Scotland. There's literally when we were going
to Scotland, I searched and there's literally nothing there that
can kill you. And that's why it's so funny that
it's like always the moors.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Why is it always the more Yes, And I think
that Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
In the same way that like this movie represents like
a restart of the British you know, genre film or
horror film, it's also a real benchmark movie in like
the rise of geek culture.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
This is like early two thousands.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
This is when we were seeing movies that were made
by people that were fans. You know, We're coming up
through the industry and we're starting to like really put
a bunch of this stuff into the films in a
way that clearly represented to the audience who also knew
these things like oh he knows, like he knows that
we know.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Yeah, you know sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
And they they we already talked about a little bit
referencing referencing Zulu. I think that some of the music
is even from Zulu is reused, but Zulu is, yeah,
a classic of British colonial colonialism. And then also when
when Spoon is outside and he shouts out, come on

(52:28):
you beauties.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
That is from a movie called The Wild Geese.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
Roger Moore, Richard Burton, No, no sorry, Roger Moore, Yeah,
Richard Burton and Richard Harris and then a few other
old English guys about aging British mercenaries. It's it's a
fun movie. I haven't seen it in like fifteen years,
but it's fun.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
There's something very Southern comfort about the setup of this movie,
which is the water Hill thriller about the what was
it Keith Carrodin I think it is.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
That sounds rad Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
And then there's when wear spoon there is no Spoon, yeah,
the matrix reference. And then this is this is a
really deep cut it's a reverse reference when this movie
is referenced. If any listeners have read the Hairy Dresden
series about the paranormal detective in Chicago. In one of

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those books, a character is like a superhuman and gets
her gets viscerated, and she talks about using super glue
to stick her into the stomach back together, and she
says that she heard about it in a werewolf movie.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
So yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Oh and for the listeners, that is a true story,
the story that you hear in this It did happen
in Vietnam, and that's how super glue kind of came around,
And it was to glue your and Tessa's back in.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
That's what I've always it was.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I gave it a goog and it is true.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, And weirdly, for some reason on his commentary, David
Allen was saying it's made up by Marshall, which I
don't know where he gets a little.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Bit of both.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
So super glue did exist before the Vietnam War, and
during the war they invent or they changed the formula
a little bit and I think made it into like
a spray that they could use that.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Intestine or to close any wind.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Listen, I've put super glue.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Yeah a bartender. That was a bartender thing.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
Like if you cut your hand on a glass or something, Yeah,
you put some super glue on it.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
You just got a super glue and you're fine. Love.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
There's also a couple of British or maybe several British
culture references that are well, there's something they're obvious where
they're talking about football and.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Everything like that.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
But fundy and I guess, come go if you think
you're hard enough as a chance, Oh.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I love that. Come have a god, I think you're
hard enough. And little writing riding Hood shows up with
the bazukin a bad attitude. I expect you to chip
the bitch.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
And also Cooper's last line before he blows right away
of like you think it's all over, it is now,
which I guess is also another football chant or you know,
some sort of maybe like it's used in the ads.
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I was smitten for Cooper by the end. Every time
I watch this, I'm like, first of all, that thermal
you're wearing looks very comfortable. Where did you get it?
I love the color boat neck top. These are the
things I notice, and I really want one.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
It does for a movie which everybody is like tired,
you know, beaten down, scarred, bloody, dirty, like they they
look kind of coahy.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
You know, well that guy, that guy's is because they
take the time for a cupa you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
A kuppa. He's like, put the catalog to me a cuppa, just.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Because there's wolf also breaking down the doors.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
The right thing, the right thing to use against werewolves
is Aquinet, Aquinet for the wind, Aquinet, will you know,
stopping werewolves since two thousand into don't be caught at
a full moon without it. I love a good lighter
with Aquinet moment. We like the action. Please just go
watch this movie if you haven't seen it. There's so
many things that we're not even gonna be able to

(56:12):
explain how awesome they are all of this house with
all the little rooms and they're like smashing into the
other rooms like just.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Got And also I think it's worth saying that like
this is a movie that that rewards you with multiple viewings,
and it's not even necessarily in a way of like
a Christopher Nolan movie or something where it's like, yeah,
there's so many twists and turns and layers. There are
layers of this, but I mean in terms of just
like it moves so fast and it's so you know,
well paced, and it's also there's the accent barrier if
you're an American, so sometimes so you're gonna miss a

(56:43):
lot of the first watch a train spotting.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
Yeah, and here's something I noticed on this rewatch is
the fact that all of the soldier in that campfire
scene at the beginning, like what are you scared of?
They all kind of foreshadow how they die. The first
Bruce Campbell says like the destructionists of human nature, and
then he's a human who gets killed by nature but nature, uh,

(57:12):
Spoon says castration, which then this is kind of crazy
in an early like that.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
I think they shot it where like in that final.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Scene, Oh I saw the pictures, they have the pictures
at the risk which is yes, super gory and gets ripped. Yeah, yeah,
they cut it out and because Neil said it was
like his final line is so good, which we all
mentioned earlier in this episode that we loved his final
line of I helped he give you the ships.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
He said that if he had left in Spoon's like
super ultra gory death, like he felt it would have
been too much of a downer for the audience to, like,
you know, see him literally evstrating, because literally it's like
they disambowl him from the waist down.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
So it's like that would have been.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Fine, honestly, because he went berserker on them, like he
beat the ship out of them with a pan. He's
a moncer in their life, so he was doing good
and he's not. But it's not silver. So like seeing
him do all that and then getting ripped and then
getting ripped in half.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
A werewolf just entered the frame and actually, wait, wait, wait, wait,
We're gonna wait, We're gonna turn this into the episode
because one of the greatest things I wait, I wait
for Ashley come back on. But okay, so I'm gonna
I'm gonna parlay that incident into the episode because one
of the greatest things about the movie is the way
in which the houses systematically destroyed throughout the production, which

(58:27):
is why they had to shoot it mostly in order, right,
because most movies are not shot in chronological order for
reasons of location or other production considerations, but this one's
one of the rare ones. That is because they you know,
couldn't worry about continuity if they went to a scene
at the end where it's mostly destroyed and they had
to go back and reset to you know, earlier in
the beginning. So of course they mostly shot in order,

(58:48):
which obviously only helped It only helped the actors of course,
you know, to keep keep their continuity too. But yeah,
so I love the fact that, like the even before
it blows up at the end of the house is
just getting demolished room by room as they're going through it.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
That's a lot a lot of corners in that house,
a lot of doors to lock and go through. It
is very funny.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
Oh and uh, back to the death foreshadowing, Joe says
a penalty shootout and then he has a one on
one fight with a werewolf.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Oh, this is what I was going to say about that. Uh,
and I think hope you guys agree with me. I
would put Spoon and Julius from Friday the Thirteenth, Part eight,
Jason ticks Manhattan in the same because there are two.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Guys who just square up the you.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Gotta go, you gotta go.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I don't care if you're supernatural. Work is fighting Like.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
If Spoon had had a silver weapon, it would have
been over for those werewolves over.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
He fucked them up. He's sparred up and then he
panned them and he sorted.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Them throwing lift right combos and he's it's Spoon.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
When he's like looking out the window and that he
says like this is just like Zulu and the other
the other guy says, oh, you're loving this, and he's like, yeah, yeah,
but yeah. And then Terry, who says you wouldn't want
to watch a penalty shootout with with Joe, gets his
head ripped off and it's sitting there in the windshield
while Joe is having his penalty shootout, still alive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Getting ripped still that was that was the Wilder says.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Spiders and women and spider.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Women, spider women, that bitch sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
And uh, Sarge.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Sarge says not seeing his wife and then tells a
story about his buddy getting blown up, and then he.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Looks at the picture of his wife right before he
blows himself up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
So there is a good amount of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Foreshadow and uh, I'd love to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
That sargs the story about the the Eddie Oswald soldier
Eddie Oswald. There's an Eddie Oswald all of the Marshall's movies.
There's never on screen, never on screen, but well, actually
apparently Marshall himself plays the Oswald equivalent in May. I
don't know the scene was deleted or if he just
can't see it or something. I haven't seen Cinturion in

(01:01:03):
a minute. But then I guess there's a helmet of
that says Oswald that they find in The Descent, and
the corporation in Doomsday is called Oswald.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Oh. Interesting. Yeah, well, it's like the end. The ending
of this movie is a little abrupt, but it's also
awesome because when it just kind of ends, him and
the dogg are walking out of the farmhouse and it
just trees cut to black.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
We should talk about pictures. They wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Make some man for they have been trying for so long,
and I think at this point we just have to
think that's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
But uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
One idea was that Cooper was going to get sent
to a mental institution or an asylum in which he
was going to find himself sharing a cell or next
to the cell of the hiker from the beginning who
we saw die and because he realizes who this guy is,
he's like the next full moon, He's going to change.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
While we're there at this the the audio people to
do her zip. He's unzipping her pants very sexually. But
then the the tent, the tent is being unzipped by
the werewolf and you realize that the one zipper is
going longer than the other.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Whole opening scene, it's so good, just like the fact
that they're both just like looking at the zipper, because like,
what would you do in that situation?

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Yeah, Like I would probably just sit.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
There and fucking stare at the zipper in the same way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I would like to think I would freak out, but
I would sit there just like that and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Be like there's something too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
It's like you can go out the back door, right, yeah,
you're done, just before I forget. The other idea that
Marshall was was keen on if it wasn't going to
be another Werewolf movie as a sequel. He thought it
would be a fun thing to do is to turn
Cooper into like a supernatural, you know, James Bondish hero
of like the next movie.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
He would fight zombies and the movie after that Vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Okay with that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yeah, it could be fun. It could be fun as well,
but neither happened.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Yeah, they never got there. It was going to be
dogs so fresh meat, and they were working on that
from two thousand and six to twenty fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Promotional period of promotional material was made for it, but
it never got there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I'm okay with that. This movie's perfect leave it alone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah, and I think that obviously it would have been
a real tragedy if Marshall had not got to make
another movie or something.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
But like obviously he did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Oh well, that was the thing. Like whether this movie
did well or not, people in the industry saw it
and was like, wow, you can put all of this
stuff together. It's a cast that all kind of looks similar,
but you care about all these people. You have these
action sequences, but you can still differentiate between the characters,
and by the end of this what hour and thirty
minute movie, you care and know about all of them.

(01:03:45):
And with the I don't know, he did a great job.
And that's why, like I love The Descent that I
recommended The Descent for people who are like me, who
are like, do you like drama and real Housewives of
Girl Plucking. This is it for you because you get
to see them all actually die, baby Ripptish.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Also, I love the in retrospect even I mean, we'll
have to talk about it at some point, but I
think one of the things that makes it a sense
so special to me is the fact that, like, it's
a movie that feels incredibly experiential and yet isn't found footage.
You know, because clearly if that movie had been made
five years later, it would have been found footage, and it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Maybe totally everybody would have had the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Little would have had the cameras on the on the
helmets and everything, and we would have had that sort
of thing as above. So below is a good version
of that if you want to see. I love Yeah,
it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I love that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
But I think what's so special about Descent is that
it's like a proper movie movie while still giving you
the audience member a feeling of like, oh I'm there,
like trapped with these people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Well, it's kind of how this went to Werewolves really quickly.
The Descent kind of holds it back because I remember
watching it with Ken and not being like there's going
It's like very dust till Donnie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, very un Yeah, and Thenday is like another I
feel like Dog Soldiers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
And I like Doomsday is a is a real.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Uh homage to you know, amongst a lot of other
things like we were saying Zulu and you know, Southern
Comfort and Wild Bunch whatever. Like, there's also a lot
of John Carpenter there with like the Siege film and
you know Rio Bravo going to thirteen, going to Prinse
of Darkness and all that, and uh, yeah, I mean
Doomsday is the more obvious Carpenter homage with Escape from

(01:05:27):
New York elements too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
You can always draw a clear line through his work,
which is I would think as a creator important to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Yeah, he had those tourist tendencies which I think you
even see even though it's not his movie or his show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
He says that in he was hired for the Game
of Thrones, the first Game of Thrones episode that he did,
because he had just shot Centurion, and the crew members
from Centurion who were working on Game of Thrones were like,
and Liam Cunning.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Again some my two figs. Oh yeah, they are right,
He's gone on a lot of people from this went
on to do. They did things, and what's so good
about is the fact that they were classically trained. So
everybody was very serious through this movie. If you didn't
keep that serious through line, as the actor in this,
this would have went off the rails. But because they

(01:06:14):
were taking it seriously, I was kind of taking it
seriously while also having the best goddamn time of my life.
Because this is one of the best werewolf movies ever made.
I'll put it out there, it's not the best.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Going into this movie. Pertwee was was the biggest name.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, he was like, here's my name, I love your script,
my families.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Yeah whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Yeah. He was one of the doctors who guys and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
He's like, do what you need to do to get
my ship made. And that's just like going out to
people who are young and trying to create. Now, like
it took him six years to do this. It takes
a long time. Don't give up. Keep working out what
you just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Wanted to make a werewolf movie so bad. And he
was like out, yeah, I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Make a war werewolf movie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Yea, and he not it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Yeah, No, I think that, uh what you're saying, Ash,
I think that this movie it's very easy to put
on the the werewolf mounta rushmore, hellmore, whatever we want
to call it. Oh, I think it's Yeah, it's it's
howling American werelf This and maybe the original wolf Man,
you know, laun Chaining Junior.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Oh absolutely, and uh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I think those are the four kind of pillows.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Are Werewolf of London also one of the first ones?

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah, yeah, that counts for sure. Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I think that even though we've had like tons of
werewolf movies since this, and so you know, you don't
have to look far to like find other examples. Uh,
I don't know if we've had one since this. That's
that's simply like, oh that's a contender for the Mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah, I don't know. I agree. Uh, is there one
I'm thinking forgetting?

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
You know, no, well, what it depends. This one is
so different in a genre because, like I kind of
was saying in the beginning, this isn't a werewolf movie
with soldiers. It's a war movie with werewolves, where like
I would say Bad Moon or some other werewolf movies
with practical effects. I don't know, we started getting the

(01:08:08):
weird like underworld Ship. Yeah, but that doesn't have to
do with this, but this one no, Okay, I don't
think so either. I think so. I love Bad Moon,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Yeah, bad Moon's great. Or what's the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
There's also Silver Bullet, which is oh yeah, yeah, silver
Bull is great.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
But which is great too?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Silver Bullet? I watch every Halloween.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Nice. Well, hey it's coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I know I didn't give anything away. That's not my pick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Oh maybe it is. We'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
No, I just that came out in eighty five, right,
so I think it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Were there?

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Oh but yeah, now I think that we're due a
little bit for for another like Landmark watershed.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Genre werewolf movie. I think so too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Yeah, yeah, we just had cinners for Empires this year,
you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
So let's do it for wear And like I love
vampire movies. Vams are great. Were wolves actually scare me.
Like werewolf movies have been my favorite because they are
very scary to me because it's like a like a vampire.
I could be like, oh oh oh, but did you
want to bite this neck? Like maybe you don't have to, like,
and I know there are evil vampires that will mess

(01:09:15):
me up, like Dustled at once, but a werewolf. There's
no reasoning the were wolf. He's just in werewolf mode
and he's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Gonna he's not going to wait to be invited in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
No, he's gonna scratch me up. And that when they
rip the neck like ugh, it's just a lot more
than a vampire. So that's why they've always scared me more.
And I think that's why I've always been drawn to
were wolf movies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Yeah, I love them, and even as Twilight shows us,
you just can't even be friends with them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Really, Oh please, they were not were.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Wolves because they're just going to imprint on your kid.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
It's gonna hang around.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
My daughter after the lockmass monster.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Those were those were wolf twinks. Those weren't twinkie wolves.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I don't want to end on that. Let's send on
some recommendations.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Okay, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I'll go first, and I will go with almost the
same year, a couple of years later, two thousand and
five or six, depending on when you saw it, A
Wild Country, which is directed and written by Craig Stashan,
and the plot evolves around a group of Glasgow teenagers
who are hiking in the Scottish highlands very similar and

(01:10:21):
they come across a little baby and they find the
ruins of this castle and they try to protect the
baby in the ruins and these werewolves are coming out
of nowhere. It kind of was very much influenced by
this movie. It's pretty crazy, but it's a lot of fun.
So yeah, you realize pretty quickly in a werewolf movie
you have to kill the beast before it kills you,

(01:10:43):
or wait till dawn and there's a baby you got
to take care of that. It's not yours, but Scottish
Highlands werewolves. Let's just keep it on genre.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Hell yeah, I'm keep in mind on genre too, and
this is definitely one. If you like the matchup vibe
of Dog Soldiers and you haven't seen twenty years of Overlord,
yeah you got to check it out because it rips.
It's a bunch of Allied soldiers in World War two
crash landing in this occupied Nazi village where they're doing crazy,

(01:11:11):
insane experiments on the villagers. It's if you like, you
know the resident evil games as well, Like there's a
lot of residence there too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
It's zombie ish.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Yeah, it's like I feel like I've heard of it. Yeah, Oh,
you definitely want to check it out for sure. So yeah,
if you like the whole camaraderie of like, you know, squad,
you know, getting together and trying to fight some evil
genre batties, then you definitely want to check out Overlord.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
And why at Russell, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Yes Russell? What year?

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
I love Overlord. My recommendation this is a bit of
this is this is a bit of a stretch.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
I know, normally I make very straightforward, single recommendations on
this show.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
But nobody are born.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
Yeah, totally listen if we're saying that we need another
historical genre werewolf movie. So my recommendation is that you
buy the script that my buddy Dominic and I wrote
called High Moon. It's a werewolf western revenge story set

(01:12:08):
like ten years after the Civil War.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
It's really we could probably probably do it for like
fifteen million dollars. Probably do it for fifteen million dollars, guys,
if we don't get any names.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
So starting it for free?

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, yeah, well well yeah, if you have.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
That money, if you have that kind of money, line around.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Wait, hold on, Mark, just hit it a bit a
copy to read. Let me go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, boy, I sure do love this script that Mark
has written called High Moon. It is one of the
favorite things that I've ever read. Please pay money for it.
This is my real thought.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
Yeah, we're going I'm gonna, I'm gonna make some edits
on that script, and I'm gonna I'm gonna send.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It back to you. We're going to record that later.
We'll fetch it coals.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
All right, cool, But my my real recommendation if you
don't have twenty million dollars line around is we already
talked about it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Centurion.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
This one, like a lot of uh Marshall's later films are,
it's a little more divisive when it comes to critics.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Uh I call that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Dominic West, Liam Cunningham, a young Riz Ahmed, a young
Imagen Poots ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
And for one thing, uh Marshall brings that same soldier
camaraderie aspect to it, and he doesn't like make pullenty
punches on like these are these are English? These are
English romans? Uh in like, what are you waiting for
an invitation? Welcome to the No, this is Rome's funnest

(01:13:53):
yeah Spata Yeah, oh well, They're one of my favorite,
Like my brother and I love this movie. And one
of the things we say, we quote Fastbender when he's
getting tortured by the Picks and oh it's also yeah,
it's also again colonialism in yeah, well yes there is
a sexy one. But he's getting tortured and and they're

(01:14:16):
you know, like they're questioning Fastbender and he says, I
am a soldier of Rome. I will not yeald. And
if that doesn't get you pumped up, yeah, so good?

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Does he do it better or does Russell Crowe do
it better? Oh that's not Yeah, I'm just sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
But also the thing about this movie is it gets
It's not it's a it's a historical you know, military
kind of gets a Chase movie really, and it's heart
but there's a lot of military stuff, a lot of
historical you know, it's about the real you know, lost
ninth Legion of Rome and they did you know, they
were fighting with the picks and everything. But it also
gets about as much like horror as you can get

(01:14:57):
into like a military historical military action movie as you can.
Like there's some really gruesome deaths in there by spear
By by Achille Tendon Severing. So you get eaten by
a wolf, uhl, no, just regular wolf as far as
we know, As far as we know, they were.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Just whatever those there were werewolves, you know, if we
were werewolf. Rome was started by werewolves.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Yeah, we can consider the wolves. Maybe them the descendence
of the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
They socked on the teet of a she wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Or early versions of the werewolves and dog soldiers maybe
could be, could be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Could be.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
And it was again about you know, soldiers going somewhere
where they weren't supposed to be and getting messed up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
All right, well, thank you once again for joining us
Mark on this episode. Uh what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
What do you up to right now? Where can people
find you?

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
Well, clearly I'm looking for funding for the script that
I wrote with my.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Buddy Dominic, going to start it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Yes, yeah, thanks for everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Yeah yeah, well well we'll knock a couple of million
off of it if you let us all be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know Dominic, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
As far as stuff I got going on right now,
the doing the Alien Earth, always watching episodes uh here
on Strandon Paned, which has been a lot of fun.
I'm loving that finale coming up right, finale on Tuesday,
gonna be a wild you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Who only want, you know, wait till it's all over.
Make sure to go back and listen to all the
episodes on Always Watching.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Yeah Yeah Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Other than that, check out the cast I podcast. Check
out ghost Wax. There's you know, I think I've talked
about it here before. It's a fun horror podcast, scripted podcast.
And please go to Audible and buy the books, the
audiobooks that I have narrated so that I can pay
my rent.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Yeah really, just give Mark, buddy, Mark, you take your horror.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
My cash app will be in the in the in
the episode notes, you can just directly send me money
and I'll read you stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Sexy sexy biker books and I enjoy them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
Those are by somebody else. Sounds like mere joined. He's
got a different name. We won't talk about it though.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Thank you all for joining us for this episode of
Bill and Nashley's part of the Stranded Pendent Network. You
can find my work in the show notes links below.
Check us out on social media. You can find the
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free to write to us at Bill and ashteror Theater

(01:17:44):
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