The Conjuring 2013

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to another horrifying episode of Bill and Ashley's Terror
Theater on the Marquee. This week is twenty thirteen's The Conjuring.
Join us right after we get back from finding out
who keeps touching my feet? All that after these ads
we have no control over. Welcome back. I'm Ashley Coffin,

(00:48):
joined as always by my co host and Terror Bill
Bria Bill Darling. How are we today?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I am great, ash but I got to caution you.
Everything you see in here is either haunted, cursed, or
has been used in some kind of ritual practice. Nothing's
a toy, not even the toy monkey.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I would never go in that room.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
By the way, I'm definitely that room.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I am have enough God, enough bad Jude. You know
I'm not going in there.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
All right, to get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
But before we do, do you have any news from
the Necronomicon of horror this week?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, a few pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
One is news of a new asymmetric or sorry, n
asymmetric in a roguelike. I forget the subtitles of these
games these days. A roguelike horror game which it tells
you everything about the game right in the title. You're
ready for this? Title Ash Shark Dentist. How about you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Just saw that today and I almost sent it to you,
Stephen Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, well I had to mention it because of our
Jaws episode, but also are we have an ongoing group
chat thanks to Jaws's anniversary with with our friend Stephen Mark,
who who were on the podcast. And yeah, I mean
just the fact that they made this game Shark Dentist.
It literally you're treating randomized tooth problems, managing oxygen levels,
pulse monitors, anesthesia doses. So it's a legitimate dentistry game.

(02:09):
But the fact that the patient is a shark rather
than a person, Like, I don't know, this doesn't sound
like a game that I would enjoy playing personally, but
I do think I would enjoy watching it be It's
just like.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Your your Dan Stevens in that Last Gods movie where
he's like giving a kannga tooth extraction. I'm like, that
doesn't look fun.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, yeah, but you know what, somebody's got to do it, Ash,
somebody's got to do it. Somebody's got to be the
shark dentist.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Uh So, if you want to if you want to
be the shark Dentist, there's no release date yet, but
I guess you can wish list the game on Steam, uh,
and you can check out the announcement trailer, which I
mean every image from the thing is hilarious with like
these huge you know, jaws like shark mouths.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
And these little tiny this guy just looking in there.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
So you know it's a dirty job, but somebody's got
to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's going to end up like deep Lucy exactly.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Moving back over to the horror and television worlds, there's
a new movie coming out that just sounds interesting to me.
It does have some pedigree with the stuff that I
enjoy and I think you do toosh because it's produced
by Justin Benson Aaron Moorehead who you know are have
become famous for both their indie horror products, their films

(03:25):
and shows, and also they've worked in the MCU on
a couple OFCU shows. But this one's called Descendant, and
it's going to be released in limited theaters in August
eighth before expanding on August fifteenth to VOD as well
as more theaters. And it's set in present day LA
and I guess it's kind of going for a fire

(03:46):
in the sky type vibe of like alien abduction.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yes, kind of boot stuff maybe.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
But the description is as follows. Quote Sean Brunner, a
school security guard who was haunted by childhood trauma while
preparing for the birth of his first child with his
wife Andrea. After a beam of light appears in the
sky during a late night shift, Sean wakes up in
the hospital with an inexplicable talent for vivid, unsettling drawings
and extraterrestrials and desert landscapes. As his visions blur the
line between dreams and reality, Sean's grip on standardy unravels.

(04:15):
With time running out, he must confront his fears to
escape his family's tragic legacy. But yes, it's being written
directed by Peter Siella. I think that's how you pronounced it.
He previously was a cast member in The Endless, which
was the Benson and Moorhead film that was a stealth
follow up to Resolution and had some cool stuff in it.
So yeah, the trailers out now, you can go check

(04:35):
it out. And I've been definitely enjoying what r l
JE films have been putting out, which this is coming
from them as well, and August this year is kind
of looking a little barren, so maybe this will be
something to check out in August. Another piece of news
I wanted to mention, just because we like to shout
out our our fallen heroes here is that passing away

(04:59):
this past week was the composer Mark Snow, who was
behind the iconic theme and score for The X Files
and that was a big important show for me growing up.
He also, of course did a lot of the other
Chris Carter shows like Millennium, Harsh Realm, The Lone Gunman.
He did the two thousand and two revival of the
Twilight Zone, he did I guess, some seasons of Smallville,

(05:20):
and I happened to just pop on a movie that
he also composed, thanks to the X Files connection last night,
which was disturbing behavior the Katie person. Yeah, and that
was my score as well. So yeah, he always used
to work with synthesizers, so his scores tend to have
like a very electronic sounding, you know, vibe to them.

(05:40):
But obviously everybody knows that X Files theme what to
hear it, you know, it's instantly a callback to the
show and that whole vibe and that era, So all right,
p Mark, thanks for you.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Honestly, the theme and the intro to that show scared
me more than anything that ever actually happened on the show.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Okay, it was.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Cool like when I was a kid, you know, it
was it was that it was like, uh, what was
the one on the guy like when people were missing
or something. I can't it had it. It was just
like the show was not as scary as there is Unsolved.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Mysteries yea, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
No, of course you want to give that vibe to
the audience of like you're going to see some scary,
spooky stuff and then then you know, maybe it's not
going to live up to the intro. I will say, though,
the first episode that I ever got allowed by my
parents to watch The X Files, you know, live on TV,
I forget. I think it was like the second or
third season, but it was one about voodoo. I think
the episode was called Fresh Bones. And I remember that's

(06:38):
one of the two times I remember, as a child
or you know, young person somewhere around you know, ten
to or twelve years old, of feeling like my heart
was going to leap out of my chest. I was
that it was Fresh Bones. The X Files, and it
was Rustic Park, the first Russic Park, and.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Both oh that's fun.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah. Both times I was like, you know, uh.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
And then finally, my final piece of news something that
I know is close to both Ash and my heart,
or at least the topic is, because we've spent hours
on it on this show before. But Paranormal Activity is
going to have a new installment. But it's not going
to be on television and it's not going to be
in the movie theater. It's going to be on stage.

(07:19):
They're calling it Paranormal Activity, a new Story Live on Stage.
It's going to open at London's Ambassador's Theater on December
fifth for a twelve week run, and then it's going
to come to the US to Chicago, La, Washington, d C.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
And San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's directed by Felix Barrett and written by Levi Holloway
I Guess. It was first produced last year at England's
Leeds Playhouse. It concerns James and Lou, a couple who
moved from Chicago to London to escape their past and
then discover a haunting presence in their home. They use
a camera to document the unsettling shadow and they're mist
I mean, it sounds like any paranormal activity movie ever made,

(07:57):
but the fact that it's on stage. I don't know
how they do it.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I can't wrap my mind. Like I'm sitting here trying
to think about maybe it would work, but I can't.
I can't make it work in my mind in this moment.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I have to believe that maybe they involve just like
live feeds, you know, like they'll have sets on stage
that like they also put cameras on. Maybe I don't.
I don't know, but I'm fascinated by the concept.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, So when this comes to LA, I guess it's coming,
uh November of I would assume next year because if
it's not supposed to yeah, because it's going to be
December this December in London, so then November of next year,
which is a long time to wait.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
But it's weird. They're skipping New York.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, they're coming to New York. I thought, Oh, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
That wasn't one of the cities.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh maybe maybe they are skipping New York. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
That's weird because then I could like, I was like, well,
I could possibly go see that that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
La Washingt, d C. San Francisco. Yeah, we'll hopefully they'll
add a New York stop. That is bizarre, but.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, and I mean we were just talking about how
ridiculous shows are. Anyway, it's probably gonna be like eight
hundred dollars, so they need to chill out with that
they do. And also everybody would go see a lot
more shows.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
We we can blame.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I think we can blame Harry Potter for this trend
of like sequels shows to famous franchises that are on
stage only because after Harry Potter, we had now the
Stranger Things stage show, which I haven't heard anything about,
but I guess.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I would love to see the Evil Dead one. That
sounds fun.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
But I mean yeah, shows that are like not just
adapted from screen stuff, but like actually I have their
own stories that are like you know, sequels or you
know whatever reboots or something. This sounds like just a
regular side cool. I don't think we're going to see
like Katie or Mike could turn up or anything in
it now. But but yeah, no, the fact that parandiductivity
is so so clearly of a filmed franchise, it's just

(09:51):
like how do you do that on stage?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
And what are you doing exactly?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
But you know, gosh knows, you can do live stage
effects that make it seem like a ghosts of the res.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's like you can have like vases fly around and
you can have people on strings, like getting drugged out
drug across the stage. You know, the baby powder won't
you won't be able to see that, so.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah cool.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Or you know, I can see a thing where like
if you do have like a live feed that you
can do like live like sort of rudimentary visual effects
to while having the actor live on stage. You can
have like somebody on the stage be there in the set,
whereas the video feed that you're seeing, you're seeing this actor,
but you're also seeing something behind them, you know, because yeah,
put in there on the video.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
So it's like, you know, there's things you could try,
but uh.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
We'll see I hope it's just someone in a sheet.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Oh that'd be so great.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, so yeah, we'll have to check it out if
if one of us or both of us can check
it out when it comes around to the US. But
if you live in London, you know, buy your tickets now.
Maybe I don't know maybe there.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, let us know.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, do you have any listeners in London? So let
us know that if you if you live in London,
you listen to this podcast. Just let us know anyway.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, email us at Bill and Ash to a theater
at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Thank you very much. Yeah, and that's all the news
I have today.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
All right, Well, we will be back with our feature
film after these miss ups from the grave that we
have no control over, and now it is time for
our feature film. All right, So the Conjuring.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
It feels weird that we haven't talked about it yet.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I know, Well, it's funny because Matt, Carol and I
covered every single one of them up to Devil made
me do it on Bingers when that came out, which
was really fun because it's not what we do. It's
kind of you know, we're just talking about the movie
and the PLOTINU and that and going through. I loved

(11:46):
this movie. I remember seeing it the first time. We
watch it a lot in this house. I honestly, I
know people might come for me, but I think it's
it's my favorite movie by James Wand I think it's
perfectly You get an idea of who the Warrens are
in the first few scenes, and we get that on
the on screen text like a La Chainsaw massacre and

(12:07):
the score, and then you go spend time with the
family and then it jumps back and then everybody's toget.
I don't know. I just think it's perfectly paced. It's
a rated R movie for nothing other than just being horrifying,
and I love that so much. But yeah, I've always
really like this. I like the Warrens a lot. I
know that, you know, there's some controversy with them, but like,

(12:28):
you either choose to believe it or you choose not
to believe it. And it's it's hard because, like we're
gonna get into religion a little bit, because I'm not
very religious. I don't believe in it at all. But
I'm like, I'm choosing to believe in the warrants and
that they can do the things that they say that
they can do, and it doesn't make any sense based
on what I believe in reality, and it's just a

(12:48):
very confusing thing to me. Demonic movies are always, you know,
they've always been my favorite, starting with the Exorcist, as
we know, and it's just funny because it's like, well,
then you have to believe in God, Wright, are you
scared of it? I'm like, no, I don't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I have an interesting history with this movie one in general,
and I think this movie comes at the crux of Mike,
because One's somebody who I appreciate the hell of hell
out of now at this time in my life, and uh,
you know, I'm a fully fledged believer. But even as
recently as Malignant, I thought that I might be a

(13:26):
hater because I.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Wasn't you didn't like Malignant, Hold wait for me.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
To finish, because I generally didn't understand my way, in
my personal way into you know, vibing with his movies.
And there was obviously, like you know, there was bits
and pieces here where it's like, yeah, I really like that,
and yeah I really like this, And Conjuring was something
that I think I appreciated more earlier than an overall
appreciation of One. But it started all the way back

(13:52):
with Saw when I you know, I didn't steal a car.
I borrowed a friend's car in college to go see
it by myself, like around you know, when then we
came out, and I remember the hype around that and
then being let down not by the story but just
by the filmmaking. And I was like, oh, this is
so goofy or whatever. And again, this is a younger
Bill we're talking about. This is a you know, I think,
a less educated you know Bill, and I still had

(14:16):
weird beef going through this. But also even during Malignant,
and I was watching in the theater and that was
when I moved to LA.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
That was like twenty twenty one, right.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I remember being in that theater and having all this
thing swirling in my head about oh, it's a supposed
to be like a modern Giallo and blah blah blah.
And I remember seeing people walking out of the theater
before the twist came.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh, and I hated that movie until the twist, and.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I was like, and I was, I was watching them leave,
and I was like, you know what, I don't blame you,
because this isn't hitting. And then when the twist hit,
not only did I obviously suddenly love the movie, but
the rest of it fell into place for me, and
it really was like a key unlocking in my brain
of like, oh, now I get this guy. Now I
understand what he's trying to do, and you know, even
the stuff that I liked easier of his beforehand, which

(15:03):
was you know, Furious seven, because I'm a fast and
furious guy, right and well, I said Saw. It was
a problem for me initially because you know, I remember,
you know, seeing the the scenes in that movie as
like flaws, you know, or whatever. I was expecting a
different movie than the one I got, and I wasn't
appreciating the one I got. I was more I was
doing the thing that I don't do now I tried

(15:24):
not to do now as a critic, which is me.
I wanted this movie, but what I got was this
other movie, and blaming the movie for that. You know,
I feel like I'm much more in tune with like,
let's let's judge what I did get rather than judge
what I didn't get, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
So yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Really did take until Malignant to get it. But I
do think that beforehand, you know, I came around to
Conjuring two and a couple of the spin offs, not
necessarily the first two Annibals, but but yeah, so I
eventually got on the vibe of this franchise. And then
when I revisited this first Conjuring again, and that's when

(16:01):
it really again opened up for me and I wasn't
just seeing it as Oh, it's an Exorcist clone, or
oh it's this thing that these other you know writers
are Amityville, Amityville whatever. Like I was able to sort
of key it into the rest of his filmography for
me and really kind of vibe with it. And now, yeah,
it's something that I really enjoy a hell of a lot.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Now, I've always had a history, like I'm I have
all of Adam Lorraine's books. I had this book before
the movie came out. Well, I was like, if you
were to find me at school in the library, I'm
in the horror section. So I had already known about them.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I mean, the next how did you come to them? Yeah,
you just like.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Reading stuff and like being so into paranormal stuff, you know,
watching stuff on TV like A and E stuff, but
mostly just reading their books. I have their book The Demonologist.
I have like four of their books. The new movie
coming out, I have that book also because I believe
it's Pennsylvania and that was something you know, reading about

(16:59):
haunting's in your area kind of opens you up to
like different books and this and that, and always like
I've read The Exorcist when I was very young, so
I came across, you know, the Demonologist, and so I
had already known who they were. And I had known
about Annabelle because I had a raggedy andhl as well,
and that shit went right in the trash like I
never saw I never played with her again, and like, yeah,

(17:21):
so when I heard that they were doing this story,
I was really really excited. And then it was you know,
obviously it's you know, based on a true event, but
they did such a good job with the story. They
made it. I don't know, it's just the the style
of it, the lack of a ton of CGI, you know.

(17:44):
I like that it was very realistic. And I thought
that they they made the Warrens so likable because I
had already known about them also from the Amityville case.
Everybody knows about the Amityville case and that's where they
got their fame, and everybody, you know, started talking about them,
and they were on TV and this and that, and
like people trying to discredit them. And yeah, so I

(18:07):
had always had this relationship quote quote with with the Warrens,
and yeah, you choose, like like I said, you choose
to believe that she's clairvoyant and that he can do
the things that you know, that the church made him
a demonologist or whatever. It is the only person who's
not a priest who's ever been allowed to do the
rights and blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, because it's just a more fun world to live
in if that stuff's real.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I also think that, you know, we could talk more
about this too, But I think that even if you're not,
because I consider myself generally a skeptic, I always like
to like it myself because we talked about X Files earlier,
to a Fox Mulder type, but more the Fox Mulder poster.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
If I want to believe, and I think.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Fox Mulder was traditionally portrayed as like he's a believer,
like he you know, and slowly was a skeptic. I
guess I'm definitely more on the Scully side, but I
would like to think an open minded Scully, you know,
as opposed to like no wrong and incorrect. It's actually this,
I think I would more be willing to entertain the possibilities.
But I think that even if you're coming to these

(19:07):
movies as a hard skeptic of the Warrens and just
you know, paranormal activity in general or parapsychology. You you
can still find so much to appreciate just because of
what Patrick Wilson and Verified me to bring to these
characters and the way that these movies really present them
as like a classic and something we don't get to
see often, especially in horror. Is this classic Hollywood like

(19:30):
married couple who are totally into each other, who are
totally supportive of each other. This isn't you know, Kramer
versus Cramer, where it's like, oh, we're having strife over
our children while we're trying to solve the demon problem.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
They are like rock solid, you.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Know, like, yeah, they're I love watching them as a couple.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, they're They're beautiful to watch, And like, you know,
is it the most unrealistic I think it arguably even
more than the Ghosts, It might be the most unrealistic
portrayal of you know, this is a marriage that like
all the strife is external, like they don't have any
internal with each other. But it's kind of beautiful, you know,
it's kind of really fun to watch. It's it's aspirational
in that way, and I love the idea and this

(20:08):
goes back to me loving Ghostbusters. I love the idea
of having characters that are that, you know, likable, that
are that supportable in a situation where it's like them
versus the forces of darkness. You know, that's a vibe
and I always really appreciate that, and I think that
was the easiest way in for me to these movies
of just you know, learning to love them.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, for anybody who doesn't know, I'm sure everybody does.
But here's the plot. The Conjuring follows paranormal investigators Ed
and Lorraine Warren as they help the parent family, who
are haunted by a dark presence in their Rhode Island farmhouse.
The haunting is linked to a witch named Bathsheva who
cursed the land. As the supernatural attacks escalate, the Warrens
conducted emergency exorcism to save the mother, Carolyn, from possession.

(20:51):
The film is based off real life events and launched
the Conjuring Universe franchise. Because while did this money or
a movie make its money back? I mean the budget
was million and it made three hundred and nineteen zero
point five million backs, So like damn, and also like
thanks for all these sequels. I guess it really did

(21:11):
just start this whole franchise, And there's just something about
this first one I think that stands out from all
of the other ones. I do really like the second
one a lot too, but not as much.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
If you put a gun into my head, I think
I'd choose the second over the first in terms of
my really well favorite.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I just really the end gets see and that the
end gets so unhinged in that one, where this one
feels it all feels like it could be really happening,
Like it feels very real. The build up at the
end of this isn't people flying around the room? You know? Well,
I guess it kind of is. I'll take that back.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
No, I think it's just it depends on, like, you know,
what your personal because again, like these movies, especially the
Core three, which I guess is going to be core
fur with the release of Last Rites in a few months,
you know it, They are like Monster of the Week
or like Ghost of the Week sort of episode episodic
things of like what's their case the time, you know
sort of thing. So I think that your personal preference

(22:03):
is probably going to deal with like what aesthetic you enjoyed,
do you more enjoy because this takes place in.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
What state?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Is this happening in Rhode Island?

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Rhode Island?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Right, so like more East coasty, you know, more East
coasty vibe of America versus I really enjoy the Enfield,
you know, Poltergeist, Haunting of the second one because of
like how it deals with London and the seventies and
all that sort of thing. If you're more like, you know,
into the eighties early eighties vibe than like Devill, maybe
do it will do it for you, maybe Last Rites whatever,

(22:33):
you know, because I think it's gonna take place lace
late eighties is what it's second place, I think.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
So I believe.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
So yeah, yeah, so that might have a whole different
vibe for you there, Annabelle, if you happen to like
that movie, you know, takes place in southern California, you know,
in the early seventies.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
We're looking at you gars.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, and then you know, obviously Creations even earlier than that,
and the Nun you know, has like a European euro
horror kind of vibe to it. So I think that
there is a little bit of like Taster's Choice, you know,
with his franchise. Yeah, so that Yeah, whatever aesthetic you
vibe with the most, like that's probably the one you're
going to.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Be drawn to demons, which is all you know, it's
a remote, creaky farmhouse. And it's also like that's my
dream house, this beautiful house.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
No neighbors, including the hanging tree.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Hell yeah, the hanging tree and that lovely river right
in front of it, Like that's you kind of want it.
And the critics, you know, have said that it, you know,
steals from The Exorcist or Amneville, but I can tell
that he's you know, they're paying homage to this. You know,
it takes place in the seventies, and it uses the
classic tropes of possessions and exorcisms, haunted objects, but it

(23:41):
does reinvent it in a way that kind of keeps
it modern even though it's set back. Like I could,
I could tell what James Wand was trying to do here,
and I really really liked it. Him emphasizing suspense over gore,
using the slow builds and you know, the subtle cues
instead of cheap jump scares. I mean there's jump scares
in this, but they're efficient and they work. Yeah, there's

(24:02):
no nudity, no profanity. It's just they were, you know,
the people were like, this is an r movie because
I'm scared. Yeah, camera work too.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, because I think that the thing that I was
getting hung up on in my youth when this came
out or younger years, I guess I wasn't that all
that young, But was the idea that so many critics
at the time, you know, which I was reading because
I was coming up to the point when I was
going to about to start doing my own work in
that field.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
This is about.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
This movie came out about two years before I really
started writing professionally in a big way, so I was
trying to absorb as much as I could, and I
was reading so much about this movie where it's like, oh,
this movie is just like Amityville.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
There's just like Exorcist.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
And I was watching the movie thinking it's really not
you know, this doesn't I don't see Friedkin in this.
I don't see you know, Stuart Rosenberg, the director of
Amityville Horror in this. And I think, again, what what
made me eventually come around to it is what you said,
Ash just now, which is this idea that like it
has the esthetic of the period that it's set in.
You know, it has the crawl, it has the font,

(25:04):
it has the obviously like all the analog technology that
you know Ed and Lorraine used to record, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Their cameras, and then I love like cut to showing
them like on film doing it, and it's like the
old foot It's just really cool.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
It is really cool.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
But it's not it's not necessarily like let's say, like
it's not like how Quentin Tarantino might do it, where
it's like I'm going to use the actual cameras from
the actual period to actually do this like that sort
of thing. It's more like one really does impose a
very modern take stylistically on how he's shooting it and
how how it's presented and that sort of thing. So
it still feels modern in a way that like it

(25:41):
isn't just a retro exercise. It's not just you know, hey,
remember the movies from the nineteen seventies. It's not just
that it's got its own modern take on it too,
which honestly, I think is part of what allowed this
franchise to continue for as long as it has.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
You know, yeah, it was just a throwback thing. I
think it would have died earlier.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, and it's funny because I mean, we talked about
Insidious on this cast, and I love Insidios, but I
do like The Conjuring better. And for him to have
chosen Patrick Wilson to lead both of these movies that
came out around the same time and are kind of similar,
it shows, you know, I like Patrick Wilson. I don't
think he's the best actor in the world. He's not
the worst, but he was able to create two different
characters that I don't see them as the same, which

(26:19):
was it was like that that was a risk to
kind of do because you can confuse the hell out
of people pretty easily. And that's one thing that this
movie has stacked is a great cast because we got
Vera Formigla I can't say her name right, Formiga Farnika,
and you know, they bring so much depth and humanity
to the to the cast, like we were saying, and

(26:40):
their treatment of the Warrens is so sincere. It's caring,
it's grounding the supernatural story with you know, an emotion
that you know, it's believable. And Lorraine like or Lorraine
Vera went up there and actually like spend a lot
of time with the with the Warren or with Lorraine,
because I believe ed had passed before they even did this,
and you know, just like getting the mannerisms and the

(27:02):
way that she talks, dresses, acts, and I really you know,
she nailed it. And then we have the parent family,
which is you know, Lily Taylor, who we all love her,
and she gives this raw, like very convincing a performing Roger.
And then we have Roger who is uh Ron Ron Livingstone,
who we love, who you know, you're used to seeing

(27:24):
him play somebody goofy, so it was really really good
to see him in this more serious like dad role.
And then I think the scariest thing about this movie
is the fact that they have six daughters.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yikes. Yeah, there's a lot of kids.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yes, and again like one has such a fun time,
you know, juggling all of this, you know, that's really
a rather large family and delineating the daughters enough so
that we can sort of figure out, Okay, that's that one,
and that's this one, and this one's getting pulled in
their bed and this one's having issues with this and
that sort of thing. So they're able to really utilize,

(27:59):
you know, the size of the family in a way
that I think it justifies all of them being included,
you know, as opposed to like the classic movie trope
of like all the kids have left the house, they
all moved to their sisters or whatever while this is happening,
or you know, right, you know, well.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And that's what you know. I love the one scene
that you know, the Warrens when they go there, they're like, well,
why wouldn't you just leave? Because you know, they at
least go in with a skeptical mind, and you know,
Roger's like, who's going to take seven of us in?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Who?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
You know, all of our money is tied up in
this place. There's no just leaving. And I absolutely get
that because I know, you know, you watch a lot
of horror stuff and everybody's like, why wouldn't you just leave?
Some people can't, but you it doesn't. It's not believable.
Sometimes this one is extremely believable, because yeah, where are
you going to go?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Kill us? That damn dog.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's so important. And I mean, this is like a
larger topic, but it's kind of what you've been saying.
What I've been saying is that part of the success
of these movies but this movie being the you know,
the origin point of the whole frame is dealing with
not just the real life figures of the Warrens, but
the fact that the Warrens were so active during this
period between I guess, like nineteen sixty whatever to nineteen

(29:10):
eighty whatever. You know, so like the sixties through the eighties,
which really feels like the last major period in American
culture that the idea of paranormal happenings shenanigans felt the
most prevalent, the most possible, you know, Whereas like I
feel like once we entered the digital age, once we
entered the smartphone age, you know, we gotten so used

(29:32):
to people deep faking, photoshopping whatever, so like it just
it's become not as possible or not as prevalent for
somebody to be like, oh my god, look at this, guys,
I just saw something I don't I can't explain it.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Like, look at this image.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know, the first time you shared that on social
media whatever, people twenty million people are gonna be like
that's fake, obviously, blah blah.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Here's why it's fake.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You're not going to get the traction of like maybe
it's true, maybe it's you know, real, maybe it's somebody's
you know. So I feel like the urban legend ye
kind of vibe of like what it used to be.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
The you know, even the.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Fact that we've been inundated for the last couple of
decades with like ghost tracker shows, you know, where it's
just sort of like we're gonna go into the whatever house,
the reality TVs.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know, And I watched all of those, like I'm
always I love ghost stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's fun, but like we've had so many of them
by this point, I feel like people culturally are sort
of inundated to the point of like, oh, yeah, ghost shows, Yeah,
they're all probably fake or stage or whatever, you know,
So we don't have enough of that analogue belief that
we used to have, you know, in a pre digital age.
I think setting these movies during that period, of course,
they have to be given that they're based on the
real stories and this is when the Warrens were doing

(30:37):
their work. But that just allows us, especially in the
modern era, to like really look back at that time
and go like, well, there.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Was no explanation.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
They didn't have photoshop back in nineteen seventy whatever, So it's.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
A little Amityville ghost Boy was the most famous picture
that they've ever had, and they're you know, like, I
see it. There's a little kid there with glowing eyes.
Explain it, Explain it.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, yeah, And I think it's fun because it feels
less manipulative or less manipulative manipula to bowl where it's like,
you have this recording the ed's taking, you know, on
the actual film. You know that's rolling reel to real
It's like, how would you fake that?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
How would you?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And I guess there are ways, of course, but yeah,
it it just feels to us harder and therefore more plausible,
where it's like, oh, maybe this did happen, you know
sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
So production, I think this. I love. It's fascinating how
long it takes movies to get done. Producer Tony Deroza
Grunn wrote the original treatment for this called The Conjuring
fourteen years ago and spent or fourteen years before it
came out, and was trying to get it made for
that entire time. All the deals fell through. He had
to deal with I think Gold Circle Films, and that
fell apart due to contract issues, and then they brought

(31:48):
in scriptwriters Chad and Carrie Hayes, who I believe her brothers.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think they're certainly brothers. They're twins, and they used
to be actors because they appear together as the sort
of jockish rival bikers in Hall Needham's movie Read from
nineteen eighty five nineteen eighty six. So if you want
to see them on screen, watch Read, which is a
hilarious movie anyway. But like you'll see Chad and Carey

(32:14):
as actors, and you know, they're like the typical like
you know, bad boy high School, you know, douchebag characters.
It's really funny to think that those guys went on
to create like a huge horror franchise.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Well, they're genius is So they shifted the point of
view from the parent family which was in the original treatment,
to Ed and Lorraine Warren. They interviewed Lorraine extensively for accuracy,
and they created you know, this new script which ended
up going into this huge bidding war in two thousand
and nine, and it was like six studios were after
it and it was like Summit Entertainment had won, and
then that deal went out and then Newline took over,

(32:48):
and so yeah, in two thousand and nine they got
the deal finalized and they began filming I believe in
twenty and eleven. That was when they confirmed James wand
to be.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I think they did.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
They preproduction was twenty eleven, but they didn't start shooting
until twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Twenty twelve. Yeah, no, that's when they brought one on
in twenty eleven. They started, you know, shooting in January
of twenty twelve. They are not shooting casting, blah blah blah.
The working title was the untitled Warren Like Film's Project
or something ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, Warren Files, which you know, obviously given that we
already talked about a couple times during the show. You know,
there's a there's a through line from the X Files
to these movies. I think, you know, in sense of
like you have a a man woman duo investigating paranormal
act happenings. You know, so you could sort of see
how executives would like equate the two. So that was
an easier way to pitch it, I guess in that way.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, And then I guess getting the accuracy from Lorraine
is a bit like a big deal. I think, you know,
having the care to care about their story because they
could have just done this without them, you know, and
just name them anything else. But you know, to get
their legacy out there, I think is really important. She's
in the film for a few minutes or for a
second in the in the school or the college or

(34:03):
wherever they're talking. So filming began late February twenty twelve
and lasted thirty eight days. And what I found fascinating
about this is they filmed this movie in chronological order.
And you just don't hear that a lot, you know,
happening in movies.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
No, it's it's something that you just buy. The necessity
of the production and its needs. You know, can't happen
often because you only have a location for certain number
of days to a week, and you know, you got
to get everything in that location done before you move
on or move away. So you if it's the beginning
and the end of the movie, you got to do
the beginning in the end first before you do the middle,

(34:38):
that sort of stuff. But yeah, I think because this
movie is generally set in the house or around the house,
you know they yeah, it's really just their house, the
per own family's house, and then the Warrens. You know,
I guess home. So yeah, really between those two locations,
you know, there's not many other huge changes in the
location of this movie.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And they filmed it in North Carolina, which I thought
was funny because it does look like the South. It
doesn't look like a house you know, from Yeah, I mean,
I guess it. But I was like, is that Spanish moss.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, there's a little bit trivia for you, ash is
that Wilmington, North Carolina, which is the town that they
shot it in. It must be a lot of the
same facilities that were created there. I guess this is
twenty thirteen, so it would have been like twenty five
thirty years earlier by Dino Dilarentis for his Dino Delarentis company.
That was their studio hub. That's where David Lynch shot

(35:31):
Blue Velvet and everything like cool, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Okay, that's cool. Yeah I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
And Stephen King Maximum Overdrive, that's.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
What they that makes sense. Well yeah, but yeah, they
had like religious consultants and stuff, so they were making
sure that a lot of their stuff was you know,
fact checked, which is it's cool. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Oh and that's another thing too, is that there's something
we don't see as often these days as we used
to do during the height of the satanic panic, you know,
post Exorcist nineteen seventies, which is this idea of like
having spiritual advisors or spiritual blessings on the set or
something of like, let's prevent a curse from happening. You
hear about these stories from We talked about it, about

(36:10):
the Extract, the omen, We talked about it about Poltergeist,
you know, and it feels like, you know, you don't
have that on you know, Scream seven or whatever, right,
So it's like, you know, this is this this is
a movie that gets to sort of bring back that
tradition of horror filmmaking where it's like we have a
spiritual advisor on the set.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
He's got to make sure that the ghosts still get us.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
You know, Yeah, let's start with our morning prayer. It
is funny though, because in twenty fifteen, the homeowners of
that house sued Warner Brothers and James Wand, claiming that
their house has been vandalized and people were trespassing on
the property and they were leaving satanic objects near their house.
They're like, you know, we lived here peacefully from nineteen
eighty seven to twenty twelve before the film's released, and

(36:52):
it's like, well did you get paid? Like did you all?
Like you agreed. There's only so much you can.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Do, right, I mean, the production isn't to blame for
assholes bothered them.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
But I'm sure they settled though. Yeah, they settled with
the guy who helped them write The Demonologists also suit them,
saying that it violated his exclusive contract with the Warrens.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, yeah, when it comes to the Warrens and their
involvement and like any sort of legal troubles, there's there's
a back history there for sure, which we don't need
to go into, but yeah, there's obviously. I do think
being a fan of these movies, I think it's probably
and you can speak to this ash, it's probably fun
to like both.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Know the Warrens and the movies.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, but I do feel like if you're a fan
of just the movies, then you probably will get very
in the weeds of like trying to research the Warrens
in their real lives and like what they did, didn't do,
what they was real and not real or whatever, you know,
sort of thing like you said, you have kind of
to choose you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, I mean this does run into the idea of
like any movie, not just you know, paranormal stories, but
to any movie that's based on a true story. You know,
it has that legal loophole of like based on you
know it, Yeah, it doesn't necessarily have to be you know,
super This isn't a news report, you know, so it's like, yeah,
you know, you could believe what you want.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
To believe, but you also probably don't want to go
too far.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Well, that's why this movie is a little bit more
elevated because at its heart, the movie isn't just about ghosts.
It's about family, faith and like sacrifice. The Warrens aren't
portrayed as these like thrill seekers, but as people trying
to protect people from evil, like selflessly. And the emotional
grounding makes the horror feel more urgent and kind of personal,
which is what I really like about it, because you

(38:34):
are invested in this family. You like the family, you know,
you don't want to see all the horrible things that
are about to happen, and they do it so subtly.
The the cinematographer is what John Leonetti. He uses like
the shadows and the darkness and like muted colors to
really build this oppressive, chilling tone, like so much you
don't see anything for a very long time. It's just like,

(38:59):
like I think about the scene, the you know, the
stuff farting scene. There's nothing in that scene. It's silent.
It's the shadows. I think her hair moves a little
bit or you hear a little breathing. But that is
one of the most tense scenes in the entire thing,
like even more than the want to play hide and

(39:20):
clap because it's just nothing there. But that's smell. And
I'm like, why are demons always farting?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
You know? Maybe it's just the brimstone where they live.
I don't know. Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, so much of the movie is getting its juice
from the classic style of yeah, it's everything that's going
on in your head and not necessarily what you're seeing.
And also I think that, again going back to my
old view of this, I was watching this movie for
the first time under the auspices of like, oh, impress me,

(39:55):
you know, Exorcist clone, and look at it. It's not
an Exorcist clone, you know. And now obviously it obviously
is paying homage to you know a lot of possession films,
and you know that that sort of sub genre for sure.
But I do think that it's it's aims aren't the
same as what the Exorcists were or even the Extorocist
sequels were, which is, you know, to tell a story

(40:16):
of like heavy theology, heavy you know, good versus evil,
you know, heavy, like what would it be like if
a demonic spirit really possessed a person sort of thing.
And you know, I also do think that this movie,
given that we also talked about it earlier in the show,
was coming off the back of something like paranormal activity,

(40:37):
you know, in how it depicts the idea of the
conflation of like ghost story with demonic story, and the
fact that you can combine the two pretty pretty elegantly,
you know, and you know, you don't necessarily have to
separate them, and the fact, in fact, the combining of
the two really gives it a little bit of extra
sauce of like, oh gosh, you know, this is not

(40:58):
just a ghost.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's like it's a ghost and it's evil you know
sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, yeah, on that like combination, that's what the movie,
with the strong directing, it has the good performances and
the suspense, but it also has a respect for both
the audience intelligence and you know, the hard genres to
like traditions because it's scary. Yeah, but it's also thoughtfully
made and very emotionally grounded. So that's what makes it
more believable. I mean the films, it builds slowly. You

(41:26):
get to know the family, you you know, start to
like them, and then you get to go back to
the Warrens, and there's just a good balance between the
quiet moments of suspense and then the intense like terror sequences,
like when Lorraine's in the basement when she falls through
the floor and then you see the feet just start
to slowly turn around and like the other ghost was
already there, and you're not even worried about that one,

(41:47):
because oh my god, these feet. And that's why I
feel like the climax of this one is perfect, because
it feels earned rather than kind of rushed or thrown together.
And I do think it wraps up in a very
satisfying way where it's it's it's over the top, but
not in a way that takes you out of believing it.
Like the whole scene in the basement when they're trying
to exercise Carolyn is probably the scariest part of the movie,

(42:08):
and it's because they hide her face for most of it.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, and it's like you said, you know, like we
said earlier, the idea that this movie gets its rating
and its reputation from a cumulative intensity as opposed to, oh,
there's that well moment where that guy's head gets ripped off,
or there's this you know, there's a lot of swearing
or whatever. Like it's it just it is this you know, uh,

(42:34):
intense experience because of the implications of everything that's going on.
I'll say now that I think one of the things
that really keyed me into Wan as an autiur, which
is something I'm always looking for in most you know,
filmmakers who have a point of view, which is the
fact that one all of his films tend to have

(42:56):
a theme of puppets. Right, So whether it's literal puppets,
you know, like obviously Billy and Saw or the Puppets
and Dead Silence or malignant you know, you could say,
is about a type.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm not going to give anything away, but that's all
I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, that's all I'm gonna say so.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I think that's where this movie is really approaching the
idea of possession.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
It's not necessarily a rotting of the soul as it
is with Reagan and The Exorcist, or you know, a
manipulation of like you know, theology, or a rejoinder to
the good believers of the world in terms of the
representatives of the Catholic Church or anything like that. I
do think it's about this idea of what if a
person's actions and thoughts are suddenly coming from a different

(43:42):
place than their own mind, you know. And I think
that's part of what makes Carolyn's possession in this you know,
as spooky as it is, because it's it's not about
it's not like, you know, a bad version of what
we see this in like you know, Devil's Pope's Exorcist,
where it's just like, oh, they're evil because they're swearing

(44:03):
a lot and they're barfing up you know, black crud
or whatever, and it's like, I think it's it's got
the upsettingness of like and I think the other Conjuring
films continue this this point of view, which is really
smart because I think it's it's just more compelling to me,
then it would be for like just a plane Exorcist clone.
And I think that's also why the animal aspect of

(44:24):
this movie was so strong and was so influential, to
the point where they made a whole ass you know,
three spin offs, you know, trilogy.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Should they have another Ques question?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
But I absolutely see why because opening with that story
and that case so to speak, because it's really what
like ten minutes of the movie, like yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
And it's so scary. I't chills just thinking about.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
It, because it's really just all about the implication of
the what if of like it, it's not about dazzling
you necessarily with like look at all this crazy stuff
that happens because of this, you know, whatever is going
on with this doll. It's more just the idea of
like what could this mean? Why might this happen? If
it's real? Like what's going on? This sort of thing?

(45:10):
And and I think that this movie really sets up
the rules, so to speak, of a paranoral encounter or
like parenoral entities that the Warrens seemingly believe, which is
this idea of like no, you have to like invite
it in or you have to let it in. Somehow,
you know, whether that's cognizant on your part or not.

(45:30):
You know, entering the room of the Warrens' is like,
you know, trophy room sort of thing, like, you know,
some of them, you do have to interact with some
of them you can. All you have to do is
touch them some of them, you know whatever. So I
do appreciate that there seems to be a sense of
tangibility to the paranormal in this movie, and I guess
that continues throughout the rest of the series.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, because Annabel really doesn't have much to do with this.
But you remember, the first of all, they picked a
terrifying little doll. Doll is scary, and then it's fun
because you almost like, don't think about you're not thinking
about it until you know you you jump back to
Judy and she's like Adam, I was sitting in the

(46:08):
chair with you know, You're like, what did you just say?
And they run downstairs and she's still locked away and
she has to be locked in this special blessed box
that's from glass by Church or something ridiculous, and you're
just like, I'm never touching that, I'm never going in there.
But yeah, it's just it's like such a good idea
and such a good way to bring it back by

(46:29):
having Bathsheba, like sitting in the chair, rocking, brushing the
hair because you're like, why how is this even happening?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
You know?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Wow? You know the demons are going after you know
your family now and it's just it. But it's not overdone,
you know what I mean. So I'm building off that.
I'm going to jump to the score because oh my god,
the score is really good. And the composer Joseph Bishara,
who also plays Bethshiva, which is hilarious to me.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
You played the red demon and said, is ye, this
tradition that Wan started off like Joseph should do the
music and be the monster is really fun.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Well, and it's like he created a soundscape that works
on like a psychology level. It's manipulating the audience's emotions
and amplifying the fear without overwhelming or being like too much.
The score has a lot of a tonal strings and
deep rumbling, droning noises, and it creates just this atmosphere
of you know, unease, but there's also a strategic use

(47:28):
of silence and the pianos, the scraping violin very similar
to Insidias starts out harsh. Yeah yeah, sure, they kind
of do that in this one too, and it is just,
you know, before scare, often the music drops to near silence,
building this like unbearable tension and making the sudden strings
like coming in like they're the jump scare almost.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I would also like to say at this point, what
an effective choice it is to release this movie in
uh July rather than wait till November October. You know,
it's like a spooky season sort of fall, because just
you know, aesthetically, you know, I think we're in fall.

(48:12):
I think in an actual narrative of the movie, right.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, I think there is just starting to go back
to school because it's school.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah it's not cold, but like it's not you know,
it's not bright summer.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
It's Rhode Island, and yeah, I guess it is a
little there's there's true you know, Folly leaves.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
So I could totally see another studio thinking, oh no,
this is a spooky movie. We gotta wait for spooky season,
or you know, the opposite, which is what we happen
to get a lot with horror movies too, which is,
you know, dump it in the middle of winter, like
you know, oh, it's you know, cold out, so people
want to go and see a scary movie to warm up.
Like that's you know, generally the thinking of most marketing
people and executives when it comes to horror, especially supernatural horror,

(48:51):
because you know, we think of it as like, you know, chili, right,
you're you know, this idea of like you're in a
room with the ghost is probably chilly sort of thing.
So doing this kind of movie and dropping it in
the middle of hot, hot, sweltering summer, it it feels
weirdly refreshing in a strange way. And I think, you know,
in starting that tradition, and obviously most of the sequels

(49:11):
have followed suit. I think the only one that's been
later was Maybe Devil, Maybe Do It. I don't know
if that was a summer release or not, but but
I think I know the second one was for sure summer,
and I think some of the animals were too, and
the nun was like September, So like on the CLUSP
there some sort of thing and like, I really love
the idea of summer horror that doesn't necessarily have to

(49:33):
be a horror. A daylight horror or you know a
movie set you know in an obviously summary place like Texas,
Chainsawmasacre or you know, Jaws or anything like that. Like
the fact that you can have a movie series like this,
but especially this movie, and have it be you know,
super autumn autumnal or whatever, but like have it be
a summer release. I could just love that contrast. And

(49:54):
it's something that I think draws it draws me to
it even more.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I don't know when's the next. I didn't like the
last one. I really didn't. I'm just gonna say it
there because I don't know if we'll really talk about
that movie as a whole on the podcast. I don't know,
the ball was dropped. They were trying to do too much.
I feel like, you know, with the Witch and this
and that, and I was like, what's going on here
and that, I mean, that is a real case. And

(50:18):
somebody really said that the devil made them do it
when they murdered somebody, and I'm pretty sure they kind
of got off.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean it's again, I think that
there does have to be a separation as a fan
of these movies from quote unquote real life to really
fully enjoy because if you start getting into the weeds
of like, okay, these people were real and like what
do they really do, what they really actually have to
go through and sort of thing, I think it either
becomes like super upsetting or or like problematic.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You know, this one, they didn't have a lot of
video footage. They're not pretending like they are, right the
third one starts out there filming the entire thing. This
kid's flying around the room beating the shit out of everybody,
So you would have a there's your evidence, there's a proof.
There's your proof. Same with the second one, like they
kind of had, you know, the cameras around in this
and that when things were happening. But yet we still

(51:08):
don't believe in you know, ghosts and this and that.
But like if the if the events that happened in
this the third movie, were real, then we would believe
in ghosts because it wasn't just at the house. It
was at the prison when he's flying around the prison
and everybody has seen it, you know, so it just
it really takes you out of being in this little house.
Like even the second one, you're still kind of at

(51:28):
this little houser, in this little row home and you're
kind of stuck there. You know. The third one goes
to too many different places and it just didn't it
didn't work, And it does have me a little worried
for this next one. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I do think that also you have to factor in
like the classic Hollywood sequelitis right where it's like, right,
the stakes have to continually raise, the bar has to
be raised, you know, for the next one to get
people to be drawn into again, you know, and this
is if you count all the spin offs, this next
one is what the twelfth movie in the series or
whatever it is, Like, it's a lot, it's a lot.
So oh, you know, that's a big ask obviously, and

(52:02):
I think that's partially why they're kind of drawing it
to a close. You know, there's still a lot of
speculation on their end, you know, with regards to like,
even though this is the end of the war in movies,
like do they still continue the spin offs at all? Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
They absolutely will. Are they doing a TV show on
HBO already? I thought that was kind of confirmed.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
That's been mostly kind of what it's been confirmed is
like in development, but like whether it actually will see screens.
You know, it's still not sure, but but yeah, I
think that, yeah, there's there's obviously that problem which is
inherent to any franchise, but kind of doubles down with
this franchise being based on these true stories of like,
oh we got to try and you know, use the

(52:43):
evidence or use the the public record aspects, the historical
record aspects to like jump off of. But then, like
you said, you know, it gets into increasingly suspension of
disbelief problems. I I generally tend to enjoy the larger
separation from reality because it allows me as a fan

(53:04):
to be like, oh, I'm just enjoying this as a movie.
I don't have to worry about, oh this is real
or this happened, or this actually happened to anybody, Because
the more divorced it is, that the easier it is
for me to sort of you know, have a fun
with it as a genre thing like The Nun too.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I hated that. I'm sorry, I think I didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Believe any of that shit for a second. But like,
as like a more horror tinged Indiana Jones film, I
can join then too, of like you know, oh, we're
got to find the article of relic in the in
the where's the mcguffering?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I got the first, the first none I can tolerate.
I think there's some imagery in there that's pretty scary,
and they do an interesting job with the music. Again
just being like wrah that second non movie, I was like,
am I being punked?

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Like?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Is this a joke that you know? Am I not
in on this joke here? That I don't know? I
just thought that was so ridiculous. Compare you know some
where we're starting out and like the the Annabel movies,
the first.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
One is that is garbage. I don't know what happened
with that because Leonetti directed it. It was his you
know chance at the at the directing bat. And it's
not like he's a bad director in terms of point
and shoot obviously, you know, being a cameraman, he knows
how to do that. But there was something I don't know,
if there was a combination of script issues and also

(54:22):
Gary whatever issues. It feels off in a way that
I think the Annibel film's never really found their way
because Annabel as a character, like it's not a killer
doll like Chucky or even talking Tina. It's not a
doll that comes to life necessarily. You know, it's more
about a doll that is attached to a spirit that

(54:43):
can be deadly right, So you know when you have
the second movie as like a you know, half baked
kind of origin story for why did Annabel get possessed
sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
There are four of them. There's three, there's three, yeah,
and recent watches. The second one is that the moment
the like orphin girl House. That one's not as bad.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I tend to like the one with the Warrens in
it comes Home because of the fact that it's just
a Halloween style like spooky blast, like you know, and.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
What they did with that, which upset me a little bit,
was not upset me. I like that one a lot.
I would say I love that one. I really do.
But all of the different stories are all of the
different cases, and some of them I would have wanted
to see as a film. It's like, my favorite story
by them. My favorite case is this guy who was
possessed by the spirit of that story and case is

(55:37):
wild and apparently it got like when you read what
they went through with it, it's it's just as crazy
as it would sound. Like thinking about seeing somebody who's
possessed by a worlf. You just look like you're crazy,
you know. So I thought that that's where they were
going with the Devil, maybe do it, because it was
also like he was in trouble for murdering somebody, so
I thought that was going to be more of the story.
But then it was the other one, the bride and

(55:59):
stuff like that, all different stories. So it was cool
that they were like, all right, we don't know if
we're doing any more of these. Maybe we are, maybe
we aren't. Let's get a bunch of their cases in
one Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
And again, I feel like the majority of my enjoyment
with this franchise is coming from a very X file
zy place, because that show was famous for treating a
lot of classical creatures or you know, supernatural or horror
trope or tropy things from a lens of like, well,
what if it was maybe.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Realistic, Like what if it was really happening?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
So, like in The X Files, through the course of
the series, not only did you get like alien abduction
stuff and conspiracy stuff, you also got there was a
when to Go episode or like sort of werewolf episode.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Do you remember that weird amish episode. Yeah, they like
what seduced you by pushing on your pressure point between
your thumb and finger. That stuck with me forever.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Sure, And like the yeah there was there was be
you know, a werewolf kind of thing. There would be
even a zombie kind of thing with Millennium that crossover.
There would be all sorts of stuff that, like, you know,
even the second movie, I think what was the name
of it. It wasn't Fight the Future that was the
first one. I don't remember, way whatever the second movie

(57:09):
was called. It had like a Frankenstein motif of like
what if you took severed body parts and sew them
together onto a living thing and it's like, okay sort
of stuff. So I think that the Conjuring movies obviously
aren't as steeped in, like, you know, because X files
like to pretend like, you know, oh, this is the
real science behind it. So Schully, could you know, give
some monologue about here's why it might be happening. But

(57:32):
so the Conjuring movies, you know, because they're coming from
a place of belief rather than science, they don't have to,
you know, put so much technobabble in there of like, actually,
what's happening is blah blah blah, but it still feels
like a similar jumping off point of like, you know,
just to use the nun to his examples, we were
just you know, saying it. I felt the last act
of that movie was part Indiana Jones, part Italian horror

(57:54):
of like girls in a boarding school being attacked by
some sort of crazy creature you know, right around you know,
So it's like on that level, I was like, oh,
this is fun for me. But I do see your
point in terms of like when you pair it back
to this first movie and you know how really rooted
it is comparatively, it's like, yeah, Okay, obviously we've gone
off the deep end of it, but you know that's

(58:15):
I guess that's franchising. But I mean even that aside,
like just taking a look at the fact that we
we that they put together a franchise that's been this successful,
that this long running around the Warrens is kind of
crazy to think of, like the fact that you know,
they almost weren't in the movie in the first place,

(58:35):
like you said, right where like, yeah, it was just
about this family and they were kind of framing it
as an Animeville you know exorcisty were typical type of
you know, supernatural haunting movie. When it really is the
inclusion of the Warrens that makes these movies so special
and even makes the ones that maybe work not as
well work for me still because of how much I
enjoy for Niga and Wilson together.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah, I mean, this is it's a legacy for them.
You know, people are always going to know who they are.
People who didn't know now know. I mean the Warrens
investigated over ten thousand cases during their career, so like
the it's endless. The the stories that they could tell
could go on forever. And you know, more than that,

(59:19):
they founded the New England Society for Psychic Research in
nineteen fifty two, which is still active today. And yeah,
you can go up to their little haunted house place
and go see all of these artifacts that have been
kept that priests still come and bless like weekly, and
it is unfortunate. You know, Lorraine has now passed, so

(59:39):
they're both gone. But yeah, I mean, their legacy will
last forever. You know, you believe it, you don't believe it,
It doesn't matter. It's the life that they lived is extraordinary.
Some of us can only wish to like fake or
not like what an interesting, interesting life you led. You know,
I want to believe that they believe, you know, that

(01:00:00):
they weren't just you know, hocus pocus, you know, screwing
people over. I'd like to believe that they believed everything
that they were doing. And you know, I couldn't even
imagine what that life would have been like, especially to
go through it with your you know, your husband, sure
or your significant other.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
So well, two things, One is do you think that
we have anybody close to them in the modern day?
I can't either, there's more there's no more celebrity zaching.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
In your ghosts.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Hell no, but he bought half of their ship. I'm
pretty sure he might own that Annabel Doll. Now maybe not,
I made that up. Maybe let me look, But I
know he has that a place just like that in Vegas,
and he has his own you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Okay, because I have a friend who has kickstarted their
own h I'll just say the name of it is
called Limital, which is their own sort of ghost hunting
or paranormal activity or paranormal investigation show. Uh, they're coming
at it from a queer lens because most of them
are either uh you know, all of them that are

(01:01:11):
involved with the show are queer in some in some way,
they're on that you know, do they call it a spectrum.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
But you know, they're in they're in the they're they're
in the alphabet of you know, uh BIPOC and lgbt
Q A plus and uh So that's something that's just
you know, I've learned about because I been personal friends
with these people. But other than that, yeah, you don't
see a lot of I guess maybe it's because like
the whole media landscape has changed and therefore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
You don't you can't believe it anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Yeah, there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
There's also the fact that, like you know, the Warrens
used to appear on on you know, variety shows or
talk shows to like you know, talk about their work
and and sort of get the word out there of
what they're doing. You know, now we've been inundated with
decades of you know, sort of like I said, reality
TV or just staged stuff that like you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Know, nobody believes in thing anymore. Just like it's like
slender Man and stuff like that, Like everything can be faked.
I did want to jump back. Tony Spara, who is
their son in law, owns the doll still and he
runs their stuff and he had a documentary recently, I
believe it was on Netflix kind of like talking about
them and he.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Hates sec being and so oh wow, So now get.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I just like I wanted to be a demonologist when
I was younger. So it's like, you don't even think
that that's a real thing or career thing that you
can do, and then you read this, No, No, this
person is a self taught demonologist and he goes around
and he teaches at all the colleges and they're writing
book after book, and it's just like, what, That's what
I wanted to do. It's so it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
What what started? Like what gave that desire to you?
Did you have an incident or was it just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Watching The Exorcist? Watch just horror movies? Yeah, And I've
always known that that's the stuff that scares me more
than you know, alien movies or this or that. You know,
That's why this movie for me is very scary, because
I this is what bumps in the night for me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
It's terrifying yourself had an encounter that you can't explain
I have, Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Have several times. Yeah, oh yeah, but you know, people
choose to believe it or not believe it. I can't
say for a fact you know what it is, or
like I used to live in a haunted house where
the people downstairs. There's a lot of stories about this
one ghost and we've all seen her several times. When
I moved in and started renovating, all the cabinets would
be open when I would get up in the morning,
or the radio would just go off. And when we

(01:03:24):
were talking about it, once I had a bunch of
people over the candle that was on my TV just
fell off. And sure, like you can write all different
kinds of things. When Ken and I went to Gettysburg,
we went paranormal, we went ghost hunting. We stayed at
a very haunted airbaby bed and Breakfast, and they're Farnsworth
the Farnsworth's House, So if you're in Gettysburg area, go

(01:03:46):
check it out. I wear hair extensions and they're very expensive.
I always take them out and I brush them and
I leave them out. Well, when we woke up in
the morning, they were nowhere to be found. They were
bald up and zipped back up in my bag, and
Ken says he didn't do it, and I know I
didn't do it, and you know he doesn't. He's like
you were dry you probably I would never. I would never.

(01:04:09):
And that is what they said. The little boy ghosts did,
doesn't there he'll pack people's stuff up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Really, yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
I thought, you know, it's unexplainable stuff, little things. I
always I feel like I can I feel things differently
than other people. You know, you start to sound oooky, spooky,
but like when we're in a place and I'm like,
I'm not going into this basement, no, you know what
I mean. Just I'm also afraid of the dark, and
it's because of a lot of this stuff, because it's

(01:04:36):
all in your head. Like I'm more afraid of what's
in the dark than the monster jumping out in front
of me, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And do you have what about you?
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I think the part of the reason for my skepticism
is that I've just never felt like I've had any
sort of encounter with anything that I couldn't fully explain,
which maybe, you know, maybe that's just me living an
uninteresting life in that in that way. But like, I
don't recall ever, you know, because obviously I do recall

(01:05:06):
being a very impressionable kid, and you know, having you know,
spooky feelings about obviously the basement or or what have you.
But I know that those were all just me messing
with myself. And there wasn't anything that I that I
can recall having experience with where it's like that came,
you know, where we didn't feel like it was coming
from inside, it came from outside. So I and you know,

(01:05:30):
my parents took us to San Diego at one point
in like nineteen ninety seven. I remember it was nineteen
ninety seven because as we were leaving, the posters for
Batman and Robin were coming out and it was like
Batman and Robin's so that's always remember the date. But
so we were in the hotel of the Cornado, which
is very famous for being oh yeah, and I believe
we were staying in a room that like supposedly was

(01:05:52):
in that section, and like don't remember a thing happening there, like,
and nobody else in my family had an experience either,
So I think we all left sort of disappointed. You that, yeah,
in that touristy way. I've been on ghost tours in
New Orleans when I was there with with Sam to
do a show me too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
But see, I even protect I make sure to protect myself.
I wear black tormaline every day. But if I'm going
on a ghost tour or going to a place that's haunted,
or when I went to Salem or anywhere where something
could kind of attach to you, I always make sure
to have protection.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Yeah, I will say.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
The one thing that horror movies have done for me, thankfully,
because otherwise I probably wouldn't be safe, is I'm not
going to be the guy who uh uh, what's the
word not even invites but like insights.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Or yeah, you're not gonna exact big and to come up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey damons, it's your boy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah, I'm not going to like run in there and
you know sort of you know, pull down my pants
and go like, oh you can't get me sort of
no respect. That's just obdoxious and stupid. Anyway, even if
ghosts are actually not real, like you know, like just
don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Don't be that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Don't take things from graves sites, you don't take things
from the haunted house. You need to be respectful because
why risk it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
So then again, I would be the best person because
if that happened to me, everybody would be like if
I was haunted, everybody would know. I would have everybody over.
I would call Zach Bagans and be like, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Bring you a little show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
We're doing this. And that's where you're like, Okay, well,
there's no actual you think if there were ghosts, there
would be solid evidence. Somebody would know by now, right
there is you know, people would be like, oh, the
Annerville picture this or that, but nothing, there's no nothing solid.
It's kind of like the movie Entity what they did

(01:07:34):
at the end to kind of like get the ghosts
that that's what you need to do or nobody's ever
going to believe it. And then what does that mean?
You know? What are they? Are they spirits? Is it Heaven, Hell, God,
this or that? It's it's just spirals.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Yeah, of course, And I definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
All I'll say for myself is that the only thing
that I drawed the line is that I don't think
and that this comes from my history as an agnostic
person regardless, which is the idea that I don't think
we have fully underlined exactly what this could be, exactly
what it looks like, exactly how it manifests, exactly how
it operates. I think it's different every time, and that's

(01:08:09):
probably because it's something we just don't understand and don't
have the capacity to, you know. But I but I'm
not writing off the possibility. And it's why, like I said,
I'm not gonna mess with it. I'm not gonna you know,
I'm not gonna hubristically or arrogantly be like, you know,
let me play with this Wuji board.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
It's gonna be so cool, you know sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
It's just sort of like you don't need to prove
yourself superior, right, It's sort of like, right, even if
you're correct, even if it's like, yes, this is all bullshit,
it's just people's imaginations running off with themselves, running wild.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
You don't you don't need to win.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Like, it's just sort of like, you know, Okay, if
you're a skeptic, fine, and you know, like move on
with your life, you're probably gonna be okay, uh, because
there is that one percent possibility that's still there that
you can't get rid of. That It's like there's something
unquantifiable out there that you know, might account for some
things that we can never out for.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, because it's like, why when you're just randomly at
home by yourself, sometimes like all of the hairs on
the back of your neck will stick up or whatever,
you get these chills and all of a sudden you're
scared for no reason, and it is just like, what,
what is that? Why does that happen? Kind of thing?
And it's always just been fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah, And I think that's a good word fascinating. I
think that despite the fact that I'm not going to
put myself deliberately or my or others deliberately in danger,
I'll always be interested in a ghost or or something
like that, or speaking to a psychic totally, like you know,
like let's just just just get more information, let's get
more perspective, just to just out of curiosity, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
And that's why there's a million of these shitty TV
shows still oh yeah, good Ozzy Osbourne's son. You know,
there's I could think of like six of them that
are still going strong, and people are always going to
be fascinated with it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yeah, And I think that these movies, you know, based
on the fact that they're just well made, but also
they really tap into that zeitgeist that's still in the culture.
It's I was we just discussed, like it's not there
in the same way. But I don't think that the
fascination is ever going to die out completely because it's
just always going to be an interesting question.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
That's why we keep getting so many C grade possession
movies and things like that. And you know, people who
don't believe in religion at all are like, oh my god,
you know, scared of it. Yeah, yeah, come on, Russell
crowe give it us another one, just the one more possessed,
the girly. I guess that was more Swedish. I don't
know what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
He could have a Swedish friend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
That's fine, Got anything else? Are you ready to jump
to recommendations?

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
No, I think of good. I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
You know, usually when we do these uh casts about
whether it's an anniversary or whether it's just you know,
a movie that's that's a couple of years old, it's
because usually sometimes of a new physical media release, and
even though we're doing this a little bit earlier, there
is going to be a new four K release.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Of the conjuring.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Oh fun, the first of any of the movies that's
going to be. Well, no, that's not true. They did
the last four K, so this is the first one
at four K. Let me just get the date is
August twenty sixth, so in a few weeks you can
own it. There's a couple of new special features on there.
I don't know how E litmiting that it'll be, but
so that's pretty fun. So yeah, check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I'm just gonna go first because mine's really easy. Mind's
Annabelle Come Home? Comes Home? Yeah, because it's just so
fun and it kind of takes off right from where
this movie starts, so you have the story in the
beginning with the annabel doll. Annabel Comes Home starts right
after they leave that house and take the doll with them,
and then we go on this on other little journey

(01:11:35):
and they're gone for a little while. But I think
that the actresses do a really good job. I know
they recast Judy as that little girl who was in like,
I don't know everything right around that time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Oh McKenna Grace who's now a ghostbuster.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah, yeah, And there was a lot of little a
couple of the little girls from this who went on
to do some stuff mckisson Yeah, yeah, from Interstellar or something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
And then oh, in this movie mcgenzie foy became yeah
the daughter nurse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Yeah, so good for these kids. But yeah, check it out.
It's it's more, it's fun. It's really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
My recommendation is I think that there's been a lot
of obviously imitators ever since the Conjuring franchise took off,
a lot of them from Blumhouse, I think, and you know,
some of these are fun, some of these are or
whatever garbage. But one that I really vibe with, and
that's just because of the guy who made it, so
you might roll yourisee ash. I don't know, but Mike
Flanagan's Ouigi Origin of Evil, because the first Wigi is

(01:12:31):
absolute garbage. I really don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
It is the most garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
The fact that the sequel is not only good but
like actually kind of great for me really says a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
But also the fact that, like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Think that this movie, more than any other imitator of
the Conjuring films, really does capture for me that vibe
of the time period, the esthetic. Uh, there's a great
gag in the movie where like there'll be like fake
cigarette burns in the corner of the screen as it
would be if you were watching in the theater, and
it had to be like a real change. So it
gives you that feeling of like kind of watching an
old movie, but I'm not because it's kind of modern

(01:13:03):
and the implications of you know, this is not a
gory movie either, but it still has that intensity of
like you know what kind of possession stuff is happening,
and you know what sort of demons of the Ouiji
board unlocked. So it's it's fun one. So I think
that if you want to watch it, don't bother with
the first one. You have all the all you need
to know with the second one, so check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I'm just going to jump back because this Annabel Comes
Home is the first movie of this series that's directed
by Gary Doberman, my buddy Chippers, and that's it's you
can see the elements of like what he's writing for it,
because he wrote a lot of them, but him directing it,
I thought it was kind of like the Salem slot there.
There's just something fun about it because he didn't he

(01:13:46):
didn't direct it, but the writing and it was really
really good the first an you know, I'm just like,
what happened, man, But you know what, you got to
work it out. And this really that launched the conjuring
loss launched so much stuff. And another thing is, you
know my buddy from high school's college roommate. You know,

(01:14:08):
it's the ultimate story, dropped out of school, hated you know,
hated West Virginia whatever, and was like, you know what,
I'm gonna make it, and he did so great job.
You know, Gary, you're probably one of the most famous
people who went to my high school.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
And I just recently interviewed him for Until Dawn, which
he wrote earlier this year. You didn't bring it up,
I know, Well we only had like five minutes, and
but yeah, even just talking to him for that short
amount of time, it's clear how much he loves the
genre genuinely, and you know, I think his movies bear
that out, where it's like he's not the type of
guy who's trying to like really say something important every

(01:14:40):
time out. He's sort of like, I just love this stuff,
and I want to put that love as much as
I can on the screen, which is why I really
vibe with his work.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Is he doing the next one? I don't know who's
doing the next school.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
The last Rites, Well, it's going to be Michael Chavs,
who's kind of taken over the series, you know, with
the Nun and Devil Made Me do it and now this.
I think he's the director, but in terms of the writer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I'm not sure. I have to go back. I can't
bring it up fast enough.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Oh, Skinny Puppy, that's a song by Skinny Puppy. Last Rites.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Oh whoops?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
No, the screenplay actually has three writers listed here, David Leslie,
Johnson McGoldrick, which is that's a rare.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Four named person who any is English?

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, I guess he also wrote the co wrote the
Conjuring two and Devil maybe do it, and then Richard
Nan and Ian Goldberg. So yeah, Chippers is not involved
with the screenplay in this one, at least not officially.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Okay, Well, I have a feeling like we'll probably definitely
cover this one when it comes out on one of
our review episodes, and I am looking forward to it.
If it's the story that I think it is. This
one's pretty messed up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Yeah, and it looks like it's coming out in September.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
So maybe entity style if you know what trigger warning
I mean, there's probably ann to be an assault, maya ghost,
and I'm pretty sure it's to the dad. We love
a suckybus. But yeah, so we'll definitely be checking that
one out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, so keep keep your eyes peeled or ears tuned
or whatever we want to say. Thank you all for
joining us for this episode of Bill and Ashley's part
of the Stranded Pana network. You can find my work
in the show notes links below. Check us out on
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Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
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