October 13, 2025 • 50 mins
What have we learned about abortion after five plus decades of emotionality and misinformation? Rebecca Terrell, former nurse and New American Senior Editor reviews the history of abortion from the 1973 SCOTUS decision to the Dobbs Decision in 2022. This will be an autopsy predicated on the evidence and the facts. This will include the questions and answers too many have avoided but must be addressed for the future of our daughters and our civilization.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, good afternoon, Bill Martinez here. Good to have you
with us. Appreciate you tuning in this topic. I know
for some is a little bit of a challenge to hear,
but we need to confront what's happening in our culture.
For decades now, there's been so much misinformation. This issue
of abortion, my body, my right has just been so
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entangled with emotions, and understandably, I mean, this is this
is a personal issue, but what's happening is the emotions
are really blocking out the things that we should consider,
you know, in such a way that it's almost like
we've kind of disrespected the whole idea of birth and
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how we are, in a sense, you know, partnering with
God who is He is the creator, He is the
one that's made all this possible. And because of our
own convenience and you know, misunderstanding, we've really kind of
cheapened I guess is the word, and I don't mean
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to be disrespectful about it, but we've definitely have cheapened
our understanding of a reproduction and what it represents, not
only in a physical sense, but even more so in
a spiritual sense. And it's the spiritual sense that I
believe has consequences that sometimes is beyond our understanding and comprehension,
and oftentimes that gets blotted out when emotions come in.
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And Rebecca Terrell is going to be joining us in
just a moment. She's with the New American magazine. She's
also a former nurse, and this has been a topic
that she and I have discussed many times over the
years because we have seen the devastation that it's had
all born, you know, from lies and misrepresentation. You know,
when they sold everybody and the Supreme Court on this issue,
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those that were driving you know, this whole dastardly say,
I say, dastardly and I know that's my comment. Okay,
you may have a different way of saying it, but
it really is. You know, you think about where we
are right now. You know, been estimated sixty eighty million
babies have been aborted, and even then those numbers are
so rough and we're not even having its crew number
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on chemical abortions that have been taking place in the
last decade because they just really don't want us to
know the truth the culture is because they know that
if everybody really realize the depth of where we are
and I say, the death and our own humanity of
where we are and all this, we have an idea
and it's that idea that really, you know, created this
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organic movement to reverse Roe v. Wade and to move
it back to the States. And when I say reverse,
I mean move it back to the states, get it
out of the get it out of the realm of
the federal which at that point it was one size
fits all. And of course the abortions were excited because
when it was with the federal government, then the very
thing they told us wouldn't happen did and that is
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that we would start having taxpayer funded abortion. And if
that's not enough, I mean, we're all over the world
paying for abortions. What is all that about? Anyway? Rebecca
Trold is with us right now. Rebecca, thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How you've been been, Will It's great to see you. Bill,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, you know, this is such a say topic. And
you know, as you and I talked about before, and
with all due respect, you know, I'm a male figure.
Certainly you're a woman. And some people would say, well, Bill,
what do you You know, You're just a guy. You know,
you know it doesn't matter to you. But it's mattered
to me for a long time. And you know, as
you and I talked about before, I really felt like,
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you know, in the Bible talks about the cry of
Rachel when the babies were murdered, when Herod you know,
put his edict out in hopes of killing Jesus, right,
and you heard of this cry, And I thought when
I was reading that many years ago, I thought, well,
at some point there's going to be a male cry
version of Rachel where the fathers of these children realized,
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oh my god, I killed my child, and they bought
into the lie just like women did. That was meaningless,
It wasn't that matter of fact, But we came to
that conclusion on our own thinking, not even considering what
God has to say about this.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right, absolutely, it is a lie that we have been sold,
repeated and it's even worse now because of social media.
I mean, we're all just addicted to our screens, so
it's constantly. But you know, anytime we have a conversation
like this, I like to start out by acknowledging that
there are a lot of people in your own audience
who are going to be listening to this show and
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who have had the misfortune, the horrible misfortune of being
canned by that lie, and they have had to survive
a horrible procedure going through an abortion, and they regret
it now. And I do want to emphasize as we're
talking about this, this is not in any way intended
to damn anyone who has that lie. That there are
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in fact, you invoked Rachel's Crying Out. There's a group
called Rachel's Vineyard that's one of many organizations founded to
help women who have been through abortions and regret it
and help them to find that healing that is there
and the forgiveness that is there. Very important to start
any conversation about abortion by making that disclaimer and saying, look,
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we're with you, we're on your side. We oppose abortion
because we're for you, not against you.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Right, And as you say, many women who have found
Rachel's Vineyard or other resources to you know, to get
some experience, some healing on this. And this is what
ignited this what I say, this ground swell and this
organic movement that puts so much pressure on the Supreme
Court to finally get them to deal with this because
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they knew almost from day one, Rebecca, as you recall,
you know, from all the notations and everything and even
the record that they had their doubts. And and then
of course with technology and I guess just really understanding that,
you know, women were not necessarily in back alleys with
coat hangers giving themselves abortions.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
They were not. They absolutely were not. I have a
very personal story that relays that, how what a lie
it is that before Roe v. Wade, abortions for only
very very unsafe. All abortions are unsafe. And let's let's
specify what we're talking about here. We're talking about elective abortion.
We're not talking about the umbrella term in medical in
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the medical world, an abortion can mean, you know, a
miscarriage is known as a spontaneous abortion. Still earth, anytime
a child does not survive pregnancy or birth, it's known
as an abortion. It's a very much an umbrella term.
What you and I are talking about today is exclusively
elective abortion. This is not health care. This is pregnancy
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is not a disease, and a baby, an unborn baby,
is not a disease or a cancer. Okay, so we
are we are exclusively talking about elective abortion. And if
we have time, we're going to get back to this
very important point because they use this to twist things
when they say, you know, oh, we have u pro
life bills or anti abortion bills and hungress that except
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for the life of the mother, you know, abortion's band
except for the life of the mother. Well, there is
no obgen, no matter how pro life they are, that
would endanger a mother's life. And besides that, also, you
do not go, you do not run off to an
abortion mill when you're having a complication of pregnancy. That
is a healthcare matter. So when you're when you're going
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to a planned parenthood that I call them abortion mills
because that's what they are they are They are gathering.
You don't realize that when you go there, you are
being used. Your baby's organs are being harvested, the stem
cells are being harvested. These people are making a lot
of money, not just on the charges that they charge
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to the woman who's getting the procedure, but they are
selling these parts. It's against the law. It doesn't matter.
It goes on. We know it, we have we have well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Look and look what happened. David de Lighton caught them,
got them on video. I think he's His legal fees
have now exceeded over a quarter of a million dollars,
and ironically enough, he's the only one that goes to jail. Yeah,
people from Planned Parenthood who admitted on film that they
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were selling baby parts so that somebody could get a
Ferrari or whatever I think the comment was, which is absurd.
They're scott free.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And think about the implications of this in human trafficking
as well. Oh my gosh, abortions are now you can
obtain a chemical abortion pills courtesy of the FDA without
even an in person visit with your doctor, with your
healthcare provider, So there's no screening for any type of
abuse for any type of human trafficking, sex trafficking, So
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all of these sex this is like an open season
for sex traffickers that can obtain chemical abortion pills through
the mail and keep their system running without a hiccup.
You know, nobody, no one taking the part of these
young girls and women who are being exploited in these ways.
So no matter what, no matter how you feel about
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and we're going to get into the topic of you know,
when does life begin and all that, which is just
is it's absolutely ridiculous that that's even a question anymore.
But you know, no matter what you think about when
life begins, do you not at least have compassion on
these poor girls and women who are being trafficked And
we know they are being trafficked in the not just
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in the hundreds and thousands, but in the hundreds and
thousands and millions of Kaylin GEORGESQ a couple of years
ago reported that eight million children go missing worldwide each year.
That's an incredible millions, that's an insane number, right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Absolutely, And they said, and they said during the Biden
years there were three hundred thousand young girls that were
that were lost and then that number became four fifty
now five hundred thousand. God only knows. I mean, in
typical you know, government accounting. I guess it's just a guess.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right exactly. I mean, who can tell what the numbers
are exactly? And I actually even question the numbers that
they say that we have the world population is because
you know, they're always talking about overpopulation, overpopulation, how is
that possible? In so many countries now across the world
are not even meeting their replacement rate, yes, for births,
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and that has been the case with the United States
of America for years now. We are not we are
handing over our culture because we are not pro creating.
God said be fruitful and multiply. And there's a reason
he said that too, is to protect your culture. And
when I say our culture, I am specifically referring to Christendom.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Rights, Western Western civilization. Rebecca. Yes, I mean that's really
the heartbeat of America and it's what has saved the
world up to this point.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Absolutely absolutely. And you know we also have to think too.
I mean, I know a lot of people talk about
all of these things that are the transhumanism and I
mean the journal Nature in two thousand and five published
a work. It was a seminal work on something called parabiosis,
and it was they were using rats and rodents at
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the time, mice where they would interlink the blood systems
of an older animal with a younger animal and it
would rejuvenate the older animal. And that is what has become.
I mean, there are businesses now set up so humans
can do this. The FDA had to shut one down
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a few years ago because it was just so latant.
What was happening that, you know, And we have Peter,
big names like Peter Teel. There was a big Vanity
Fair spread about him not too long ago, in a
recent Vanity Fair and him talking about how he consumes
young blood every day. Regina, this is their fountain of youth. So,
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I mean, I know that this sounds outlandish and sci fi,
but they're doing this and we were getting I don't
know if you've ever seen the segment of the Ellen
DeGeneres Show when Sandra Bullock was on there, you can
look it up. You can find it pretty easily on YouTube,
and she talks about her skincare regimen and Ellen goads
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her into admitting that what she does for her skincare regimen.
She goes to a specialist and gets micro needling that
injects stem cells from Korean babies.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Wow, and for reals, this is for reals, this.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Is this is not I'm not making this up. This
is go look for it yourself. I mean, you know,
people people love to call us conspiracy theorists when they
when it comes out of their own mouths, I'm just
quoting them. I'm saying what they've said, right.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, and we know Charlie Sheen was you know, infamously
talking about you know, tiger blood or whatever it was
that he was drinking. God only knows what with all
kinds of other hallucin engens, but you know that was
And of course I think, what didn't they do a
movie or something. There was some documentary on him that
again was reinforcing that. So you know, this is all
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the elites, especially in Hollywood, in search of the fountain
of youth.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, But I think to what we need
to do to end abortion? Because okay, so they ended
in June of twenty twenty four, Roe v. Wade was canceled, right,
and so everything goes back to the States. So this
huge victory guess what the abortion rates in this country.
You have not maybe on a micro scale in your
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own town, if you live in Texas or another one
of those states that has strict abortion laws, maybe the
rates have gone down there, But nationwide, the abortion rates
have not decreased. In fact, in some areas they've increased
because people across the state lines. And as recently the
nineteen sixties, every single state had laws outlawing abortion. They
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were very very strict every state. So what happened in
that very short amount of time since the nineteen sixties
to turn the country from.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You're talking ten years within ten years, that all this
stuff got turned on its head right.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Right exactly because because Roe v. Wade came very By
the way, if you look into the history, and there's
there's an excellent book by Linda Royale called Sacrifice the
Abortion Conspiracy, and she goes through in details how they
got roe v. Wade passed, and it was very underhanded
they did. They didn't allow a lot of you know,
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Devil's Advocate for life. It was it was strictly it
was kind of a done deal from the beginning, and
they pushed it through and actually it was Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
She was on the court at the time. She said
out the court and she said during an interview, I
think it was in the nineteen eighties about Roe v. Wade. Well,
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we passed that because we didn't want to have populations
of too many people. We don't we don't want many
that many of She used to she was something poor.
It was a programmar like that, so that she.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Was trying to she was channeling her Margaret Sanger, I think,
is what she was doing right exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And you know, we have to remember too, Margaret Sanger,
that was a huge That was a big project of
the Rockefeller Foundation, a huge Rockafeller money behind her and
the whole feminist movement. This was not a ground swell.
The feminist movement was was the opposite of, you know,
a bottom up movement. All of these big bankers, all
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of these big American industrialists who were behind things like
the founding of the Federal Reserve and the passage of
the sixteenth Amendment income tax and all of this stuff,
they put their wives out there as the leaders of
feminist movement. So they were funding the feminist movement to
telling women that, oh, you're so put upon you're so
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exploited by those evil husbands of yours, and nobody wants
to be barefriend and pregnant, knowing well that the hand
that rocks the cradle rules the world. There's a reason
that's a little saying that we have. And they knew
that they wanted the moms to take their hands off
that cradle so they could put it on. And now
that they have it on. Once a child survives the
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abortion culture that we have, now look what they're thrust into.
For instance, in the school system, we don't have We
no longer have sex education. We have comprehensive sexuality educating
and this is something that comes directly from the United Nations,
that's dictated by the United Nations. It is based on
a known pedophiles queer theory from the nineteen seventies and
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it teaches children as young as three and four years
old the process of self stimulation. It uses very graphic
materials from kindergarten on up, and I mean things that
you and I actually can't talk about on the show.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right. Second, one the thing is it's amazing, too, Rebecca,
is that they will get these books and they come
to the school board meetings and say, let me read
them to you. They don't even even though they authorize
it to be in libraries and to be taught in school,
they don't want to hear it themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Right, they won't allow they'll cut the microphones off because
because oh they're clutching their pearls, I can't hear that.
That's you know, that's pornography. Well, the kids are getting
it in class. And think about these children. Number one,
when you're when a child is that young, the innocence
you're stripping away. What did you just say about people? Oh, yes,
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actualize these little ones. It would be better than a
millstone and be tied around his neck and he be
thrown into the sea. Right, So that, right there should
be condemnation enough. But then you have the situation where
now they have convinced children are you a boy or
are you a girl? Or are you something else? And
this is that transformation into that is kind of the
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threshold into transhumanism. That's what transgenderism is. And they're bragging
about this kind of stuff. And it's still in the
realm of fiction that it's on. It's in the programming
that kids are watching, and parents aren't. They're not in
tune to it. They're busy. I'm not I'm not blaming.
I'm not saying, oh bad parents. They're busy. They're trying
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to keep heart and home together. They're both working. Because
you know, our economy is very anti family. Our economy
is set up to be anti family for this purpose,
to pervert this generation. You know who was it? Was
it Lennin. He said, give me one generation of children.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yes, that's right, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And now we have two. I mean, I know, I'm
I'm jen X. And they were the first latch key kids,
right right. And there was I mean there was, there
was not a lot of supervision back in the day
when you had you know, chaperones and you had uh,
you didn't have dating. You had courting. You know, you
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had courtship, and the and the parents were involved. And
the father especially was you know, he's like, no, you
can't see this one. You know, I'm not gonna you know,
I'm not gonna allow that. That was not done again.
That is painted out as being Oh, they're keeping you
from your independence and from being you. No, they're preserving
your reputation, your dignity, your honor, your purity. They're they're
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preserving your the rest of you. This this is a
time in your life that's going to make the difference
for the rest of your life. And you're coming back
to the abortion. I think this is this is so
heinous that there is everybody's now familiar with the University
of North Carolina Chapel Hill, Right, that's a game that's
very synonymous with the Wuhan Institute of Virology and with
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all of the Pewter Desak and Anthony Fauci and all this. Well,
believe it or not, there is a population control arm
at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, and they
manufacture a product they call I don't know how to
pronounce it, it's I pass the way it's spelled. And
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it is a manual section device, a manual vacuum aspirator
for self induced They take that the u N contracts
the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and takes these
instruments into countries like Brazil and uh you know, historically
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Catholic countries where abortion is still against the law, and
they distribute these to women. Now, these are young girls
and women who are using these things not realizing, hey,
you could kill yourself. You could do damage to your
uterus that will prevent you from ever having children again.
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You know. You also have to think about all the
UN programs, the tetanus vaccine programs that they've had in
the past, where they've only targeted women of child bearing age. Hmm.
And then the doctors start looking into it turns out
contraceptive products in those tetanus vaccines, and now all of
those countries where those tetanus campaigns were waged, now they're
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suffering from this, not being able to have their replacement
birth right right met just like we are right, just
like in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Except it makes it makes you wonder, you know, in
the United States, did we get some sort of you know, vaccine.
I don't think so violation or something, or you just
think it's more just a psychological deal where they did
this campaign which was driven as you say, you got
to go back to the beginning, and it was driven
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by eugenesis. People that felt like, well, you know, I
mean I remember the days when they'd say, well, population
is two billion, it's not sustainable, you know, And so
you get people like Bill Gates and others. Margaret Sanger,
of course, just saying, you know, the population the world
cannot handle this many people. Where we're now at eight billion, Rebecca,
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They're probably their heads are exploding right exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
And you have to remember too that now that that
the FDA. I had mentioned that earlier, that the FDA
has made the chemical abortion drugs available on demand without
even an in person visit. Sometimes the telehealth visit is required.
What's a telehealth is it?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
We're talking about?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Are we going to go to schools and then you
see them in the vending machine next to an apple
and an orange drink or something exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And another shameful statistic that is absolutely true. You can
look it up, is that the United States of America,
of all the developed world, has one of the highest
rates of maternal mortality. Now you have to wonder, okay,
why is that. Could that have to do with the
bortifacient drugs, because we have to recall Rememberumber two, there
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is no form of birth control that does not have
abortifacient qualities. Now, what does that mean? That means all
birth control causes abortion. You might be conceiving all the
time when you're taking chemical birth control or using an
IUD you might be conceiving all the time and then
expelling that unborn baby right in the next minstral cycle,
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and you don't know it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So, you know, when you were talking at the introduction
to the show, you were talking about the statistics of
how many babies have died? We have no idea. Because
now let's talk about because I had brought that up earlier,
let's talk about when does life begin? Yes, local science
has answered this question. We already know the answer to
this question.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
And it's important because this is where it all. We
got to start at the beginning, right And I think,
you know, as in watching some of these videos with
Charlie Kirk having these conversations with these young girls, and
this is what prompted this, and I said, I got
to talk to Rebecca. We got to We've got to
address this issue because these young girls. You know, I'm thinking, Rebecca,
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you know, us parents, what are we thinking we're sending
our child you know, especially our daughters and guys, you
know especially you know, these are our pride and joy.
We send our daughters to a university to what to
hook up with God only knows what? How many times
right and.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
For what too? I mean, most degrees at a university.
It's just it's an expense. It's not it's not an investment.
There is absolutely no there's no logical reason for sending
your child into the mouth of the lion.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Right, I'm right.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
When these kids who have been coddled and treated like
children well into their what should be considered young adult,
their late teen years, and suddenly they're let loose on
a college campus with all sorts of freedom, what do
you think it's going to happen? Because, well, on.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Top of going back to what you said earlier, these
kids have been preconditioned, you know, at an early age,
they've been sexually stimulated. Yes, and so now you go, okay,
you know the keys, the keys are out, the locks
off the door, right, you know, have at it, and
don't worry, Mom and dad will pay one hundred grand
a year for you in order to go out for
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this sexual experience.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Right exactly, exactly. Yeah, It's it's kind of like youth
is wasted on the young that holds saying. Right, you know,
it's easy to it's easy to talk about things twenty twenty,
but that's why we need the wisdom of the older
generations telling the younger. No, I'm not gonna Yeah, I'm
going to be the bad guy here. I'm going to
put a curfew on you. I'm not going to let
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you live in the dorm. You're going to stay under
you know, under the watchful eye of the parents who
actually do care about you, you know, right, and not
to let these kids go off to these these institutions
that I mean, honestly, how okay, if you're going to
get a degree in engineering, if you're going to get
a degree and say accounting, to get a CPA or
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go into medicine or something like that, yes you do
need higher education. Most of these other other things, really
are they just a waste of time? You're going to
be flipping burgers at mcdonnald's right. It's that kind of thing.
And I'm not downplaying. I'm not trying to say. I'm
not trying to say don't get an education, but be
very very wary. I mean, let the buyer beware. The
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colleges out there stand to make a lot of money
off of you.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know, that's there, and at your daughter's expense, at
your daughter's expense, right, it's just heartbreaking, you know, And so.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
What is more important than her soul or how she
feels right now, Right an eighteen year old trust an
eighteen year old to figure out her own life. Grow
out there. No, that's cruelty, that's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Why don't we get driver's license to ten year olds?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
There you go exactly, we give up smartphones. Most ten
year olds these days have smartphones and full access and
even if they don't have full excess, they can get it.
Don't don't be naive. You got to get that. You
got to get rid of those screens. It's just a
constant flow of of sewage into your home when you
have screens and your I mean, if the if you
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have screen, if you have the Internet in your house.
I quoted an FBI agent who's involved in this, in
the child trafficking and all of that. She said, if
you have the Internet in your home, you have porn
in your home, right and there's nothing The only thing
you can do is unplug right after right, But you know,
(28:41):
but again going back to that, Okay, so I want
to be very specific about you know this this question
of when does life begin? Because and the reason it's
so important to bring this up is because organizations like
the who the World Health Organization and all of these
others in our own.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I mean, you mean the brain trust that kept us
so protected during COVID. We need to really yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
The ones we should trust, you know, right, Yeah, exactly.
They still define pregnancy as beginning. They don't say life.
They say pregnancy begins at implantation of the baby in
the in the womb. Okay, big problem, big problem with that,
because we we know science, and science has known this
(29:22):
for decades. We know that when the sperm and the
egg unite inside of a woman's body at that moment,
there are certain changes that the mother's immune system immediately undergoes,
and if those changes do not take place, the immune
system of that mother's body identifies that new life as
a foreign object, gets rid of it. Okay, So her
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own body is belying all of these other people are.
So life doesn't begin until birth, or life doesn't begin
until the third trimester or this or that. And then two,
I think, really to drive it home, we really need
to talk more about what elective abortion actually is, and
by that I mean what you actually go through when
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you go into that abortion. Mellon, What is actually going
to happen if it's early enough, you're going to insert
a knife into your womb and cut your baby two pieces,
suck it out with a vacuum, and then reassemble the
body to make sure they got everything out, because if
they left anything then it could cause an infection. Right now,
(30:31):
this is very interesting too. There are a number of
so much for safe and rare, right exactly, there's nothing safe.
There's absolutely nothing safe.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
This is interesting too. There are a number of people
who are netwalking the earth now who were babies who
survived an abortion procedure, and a lot of them. It's
a case where the abortionists missed that there were twins,
got one baby and miss to the other one, so
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the woman remained pregnant. So you know, you have the
chance of having a baby who's been hurt in the womb.
In that respect, abortion always always results in the death
of a baby, right right. In other abortion and later
term abortions, they will if the baby's still small enough,
(31:23):
they'll go in there with horse ups or an instrument
like that, crush the skull and then pull the pieces out,
or they'll stick a section device to the back of
the neck and suck the brain out and crush the
skull and pull everything out. Whatever makes it easier for
the abortionist. In a later term, the trimester later trimester,
like a third trimester abortions, they'll use chemicals. They'll inject
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salt solution into the amniotic fluid, and the baby, over
the course of about an hour or two has violent
convulsions and burns to death inside and out because they're
taking in that that salt, and so that he's burning
on the inside and the outside so very and he's
writhing in pain.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Wa And what does that do in the woman's womb, Rebecca,
I mean here the child inside is is getting cooked.
You know by this it has to I would think
it have some effect inside of the woman, would it not.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Cause it can cause violent convulsions, And that's that's what happens.
And sometimes they'll they'll administer mifa pristol, which causes contractions
and causes the woman to deliver six ball deliver the
dead baby. And sometimes they just sometimes the baby's still
living now and they'll set them to the side and
(32:40):
let them know.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's what happened with the God's nol case. Right. Yes,
there were any babies that were born alive and they
just set them there on a cold tray and let
him die. And of course you had the one governor
of Virginia said, oh, we'll just offer them comfort care.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You just you just killed them. You've caused your torture,
and now you say, oh, let me comfort you while
you die.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Like somehow, somehow that's humane after you've you've done this
heinous act on this child.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Everybody who talks about abortion needs to watch the video.
There are a number of videos available on the American
Life League website. It's a l L dot org and
you can go in there. They have a wonderful library
of files. If you go into the library files that
they have about both surgical and chemical abortions, they have
they have videos that are of course animation, it's right,
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but that show you all of these procedures and many
many that you know, there are only about it's only
about twenty percent or less of Obejian's who will.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Perform right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Because after a while and they've they've said this, you know,
abortionists who who've turned their backs on the industry have said,
I couldn't keep counting the baby parts and keep saying
this was to clump of.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Cells exactly, exactly. Well, Abby Johnson, you know, the famed
Planned Parenthood director, which there was a movie Unplanned uh,
that she was part of. I mean, that's what turned
her life around. I mean, for five years she worked
as an administrator for Planned Parenthood. Thought everything was honky dory,
until one day she ended up in one of the
rooms in the operating rooms and saw for herself what happened.
(34:23):
Never again, never again.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
She watched the ultrasound, and she watched that baby fighting
for his life. Right, so, baby, he was fighting against you.
He was trying to move away from the instruments of
torture and death.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
But babies don't feel any pain, Rebecca, they tell us,
right right.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Right, Well, and medical science knows that that's not true either,
because what's the first system that has to develop before
the others can? Right, logical system, right, that's the brain.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Well, let's go, let's go through the process. We started saying,
okay in the beginning, Okay, this is when you know,
because when that child, when that child is conceived, I mean,
you have DNA developed, You have all the programming that
goes into the uh, the the embryo as it's uh
you know, as as it's impregnated, and all this information
(35:12):
that God has designed is in. It is in now
the mother's womb, and once it attaches itself to the uterus,
you know, then it's you know, the capsule is landed,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Right, exactly exactly. And you and we were talking the
other day. You mentioned that we have a video now
of that spark that happens when the egg and the
sperm unite and there's a flash of light, and that's
actually the formation of this protective protein coding. I'm using
that term loosely because but that's basically what it is.
(35:48):
That's part of the shutdown of the mother's immune system.
And when I say shutdown of the mother's immune system,
it's only in relation to that baby. It's not in
relation to other pathogens that might being her. So don't
don't feel pregnancies. You know, all of.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
A sudden, all her protective devices are shut down. Now
it's only to protect the child, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But I'll tell you what too. This is another consideration
that women don't think of that. And I couldn't believe
the statistic, but I heard this from an expert in
the industry that one out of fifty pregnancies result in
ec topic pregnancy, and that is where the fetus implants are,
the baby the embryo implants in an area outside the limb,
(36:32):
usually in the filoppian tube. There are a lot of
areas where it can you know, a mistake can happen.
That is always, always, always when it is discovered, and
it's discovered by ultrasound and other tests, that is always
considered a life threatening condition for the mother. It always
has to be taken care of because if that ruptures,
the mother will die. Any pro life obgen is going
(36:55):
to take care of that and immediately, not for the
purpose of the baby's life, but for the purpose of
protect the mother. The mother. Now, that's where it goes
back to what I was saying before, where all of
these pro life laws we need to stop using the
narrative of the left. Oh, this is a pro life
law that's against abortion in all cases except for the
(37:16):
life and health of the mother. When have you ever
known a mother who has an ectopic pregnancy or any
other pregnancy complication who runs off to Planned parenthood to
get healthcare at Planned parent You don't. My personal story
that I mentioned earlier was I'm giving my age away
(37:38):
and telling this. But I was born prior to forro
V Wade. Revy Wade was January nineteen seventy three, so
lost just say that this was prior to that, and
the doctor I was begging number two for my mother
and she had what is called the rh factor, which
meant that I was supposed to die. Basically, that's the
long story short. She already had a child and our
(38:01):
blood types were conflicting with one another, and I was
supposed to die because of that. Her doctor warned her
of that early in her pregnancy with me, and he
said to her, you're going to lose the baby anyway,
so I can abort the baby now and save you
that heartache and headache. Would you like when would you
like to schedule it? He was going to schedule it
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right then and there in the hospital, and he was
doing it. There were laws on the books back then,
oh abortion is wrong. He was still doing it in
the safety of the hospital. Right. So all this stuff
about all those unsafe abortions that happened prior to roe
V Wade, it's just whoy. It's part of the lie.
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It's part of that negative that they have out there.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Kind of funny. They'll give you a number with that
in a sense, they make up a number, but yet
they can't give you the number post where we are today,
right with all the technology and everything. I mean, obviously
they're hiding this for you know, their own you know,
personal gain, because we're talking billions of dollars this abortion
industry has become.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Right well, another thing that people fail to talk about
is the wonderful option of adoption exactly because girls who
who do find themselves in these situations and I can
I understand it. I you feel like your vackskins of
the wall and oh my goodness, I'm gonna get in
so much trouble and this is going to ruin my
(39:25):
life and it won't ruin your life. But you know,
there are there is it's a challenge, and say you
don't want to meet that challenge. Put yourself out for
nine months for this new little life that you helped create,
and you know, let it, let it blossom and grow
under the care of parents who are waiting out there
for who can't have a baby on their own for
(39:45):
one reason or another and desperately want one.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
There are many like something like what three hundred thousand
I think has been estimated three hundred thousand parents waiting
and eager, you know, to adopt.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Right and eager to help. I have a friend you
pickets at abors and mills and always, always, whenever anyone
walks into the mill, he yells at them, I will
adopt your baby. I will take care of you throughout
the whole pregnancy. I will adopt your baby. I will
take care of your baby. It actually two times has
(40:17):
been taken up on that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well and there's there's lots and there's lots of facilities
like that, pro life facilities that you know that will
be there with the mother, give or counseling, deliver the baby,
you know, and make sure that you know they have
diapers and expenses that are covered. Uh. You know, it's
it's amazing that you've had you know, what's been done.
I said amazing in a positive way. Uh. You know,
(40:40):
people who are partnering with God, you know, for this
little life, right God that God you are. You are
partnering with God in the creation of this child.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Absolutely, And that's what you're talking about. You're talking about
crisis pregnancy centers and those are all over the place
and they're easy, easy easy. Fine, those are the ones
who were that were attacked after Roe v.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Wade.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's like, why are you attacking them? They're helping women,
you know who want to keep their babies or who
want to opt for adoption but have to carry you know,
obviously have to carry the baby to term, and a
lot of the resources there are completely free of charge.
It's just it's a wonderful world and you have to
you have to think too, Okay, if you think having
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this baby is going to ruin your life, imagine what
your life is going to be like after you take
this baby's life and you have to live with that
for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's just still the day you die.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Die And just like if you have the baby, it's
going to be a really convenient for maybe the next
nine months then you know. And there are even options,
you know they call they have an option called open
adoption where the adoptive parents are still in communication with
the birth mother and she gets to have updates about
her child as he or she grows up. So, I mean,
(41:58):
there are options out there. I think I think girls
who run off and have this knee jerk reaction and
run to a plant parenthood as if that's the only
place that understands them, the only place that's concerned about them.
I can assure you they're more concerned about the money
they can make. Yeah, wouldn't be doing this without the money.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Oh, without a doubt. I mean, that's that's the fastest
way to shut down. You know, planned parenthood is take
the money away, right. And the thing is plant parenthood
is not going to tell you what happens post abortion.
You know, they take your money, you go. You know,
they're not going to deal with your depression. How how
you know? Oh my god, what have I done? And
(42:36):
this is what you hear often Rebecca's. You know, these
young girls, no matter what they are, no matter how
you know, far away from anything spiritual they may be,
it speaks to them spiritually that they know in their
conscience what they've done, what they've participated in, is not
it's not right bill us.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
One other thing that's very because you will see these
stories that get pushed out there, especially on social media,
of oh, this woman was denied access she had to
carry around her dead baby inside her because her doctor
wouldn't perform the DNC after her miscarriage. Every single one
of those stories that I've run across, I can debunk
(43:19):
it in less than two minutes. They are and I'm
going to say something that sounds very harsh, but those
women who tell those stories are lying. And the people
who tell the stories about not being able to get
certain medications like for their diabetes or this or that
or the other thing because those drugs have a bortifacient potential,
those are lies to the only situation where they might
(43:41):
not be lying, as if a pharmacist would be crazy
enough not to know the laws in his own state
and would deny that somehow. But this is the thing.
When doctors prescribe medications, they have to put a code
on it for insurance or Medicare or Medicaid, whatever, have
a code. This is the reason this medication is being administered.
This is for lupus, this is for a UTI, this
(44:03):
is for and a lot of these medicines have warnings
on them saying if you're pregnant, worn your doctor first
because you shouldn't be taken this because it has a
bortifacient potential. But the purpose of that drug is not
to induce abortion. So all of these stories, they were
specially the media was especially full of them right after
the overturning of ro V Wade. Every single one of
(44:24):
them absolute lie. It was done to demonize the pro
life crowd and the pro life legislation that was passing
in certain in certain states. But I'm ashamed to say
most of the states in the United States of America
right now are pro death.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Exactly. Well, it's a culture we've been you know, as
we said earlier, uh are the last two generations have
been conditioned, you know, to be accepting of this, and
you know, and the challenge we have is that how
do you speak to these young girls right so connected
and and I say even the young men who are
(45:02):
so connected to think that somehow they can approach a
college camp is like a consumer, like they're going to
order up a cheeseburger and buy like some young girl.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I think I think that probably what needs to happen
is the girls need to We need to reach the
girls with the message of look at this the threats,
the risks associated with abortion, the risks to your health,
the risks to your potential to have children in the future,
the risks that you stand. For instance, if you try
(45:35):
to get the abortion drugs from mail order, which the
FDA now allows. You don't have an in person visit.
You have no idea if you're that one out of
fifty pregnancies that's ec topic. The symptoms of a chemical
abortion are exactly the same as the symptoms of a
ruptured ec topic pregnancy. And if your ectopic pregnancy ruptures,
(45:59):
you have minutes to save your life. And that is
not an exaggeration. And girls need to be taught this
is this is you are taking. You're playing Russian Roulette
with your own life when you start to fill around
with all of these abortion drugs and with abortion in general.
Even if you go in for a surgical abortion, they're
(46:20):
very risky. Chemical abortion under the best circumstances, your risks
of severe, severe adverse effects or even death are four
times higher that is surgical abortion. So people think, oh,
chemical abortion is so much easier. No, it's horrific and
it's much much riskier. It's much more life threatening.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Now it's not like taking two tail and alls, as
some doctors have said in others. And the thing is
in you, and I've discussed this before, is that I
can't imagine what these young girls see when all of
a sudden, the baby is expelled out of their bodies
and it's in the toiletble right.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
And do that happens? The planned parenthood will give them
the drugs. They're instructed to go home, lay down. They
might have some cramping. No no, no, you have severe cramping,
you have severe bleeding. You think you're gonna die. You
end up delivering a dead baby, or horrifically too, you
could deliver a live baby that then dies before your eyes.
You know this. It happens all the time. And just
(47:22):
their horror that these women have to live with. They're
in counseling for years thereafter. Sometimes they're messes up their marriages.
That results in broken marriages, broken homes.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You've got suicide rates that go We've got about a
minute and a half left here, Rebecca. I think that,
you know, I guess if there's anything that I can
say to these young girls is that you got to
love yourself. You've got to treasure yourself. Hopefully you find
somebody who treasures you like your dad does, that will
love and protect you, and that will honor you, and
(47:57):
that your body is a gift of God and it's
absolutely precious and it is as I said at the
very onset, you have to think of it in terms
of that it's sanctified, Your body is holy. And if
you can get that through and embrace that over all
that you've been told and conditioned by is that's a
(48:18):
big lie. That's that's the ism. You know, all these
isms we were talking about isms today, you know, communism, socialism, everything,
what it is, All those isms are anti god, birth
is pro god, pro life. That's so, who are you
going to partner with? Are you going to partner with
the anti god people? Are you going to partner with
the pro life people, the pro God people? Who cares
(48:41):
about you? Who has a future and plan for you?
Right I'm going to let you summarize it and wrap
it up.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Go ahead, absolutely well. I do want to reach out
to anybody who might be facing an unplanned pregnancy and
go you know's it seems desperate right now, Your life
is not over. You have you have begun a new life,
and there are so many resources out there, so many
people who do want to help you. Even if you
feel like you can't, turn to your family, turn to
(49:09):
a crisis pregnancy center, go to your local national Right
to Life or any of the other Right to life
groups so you can contact them online. There are conditions
of anonymity. You can not even have to tell your name,
and you will find the resources that you need to
get you through this and you know, and start this
new little life. Who knows if the baby that you're
carrying inside of you right now is the next Beethoven
(49:31):
or the doctor who because your cancer. Some of them,
you don't want to deprive the world of that beautiful,
joyful life.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Or that precious one when you are at the lowest
part of your life, will come to you and hug
your face. Yea absolutely priceless right, yes, absolutely, Rebecca, Terryl
thank you as always so awesome. God bless you. Kyl
is a former nurses with the New American magazine and
(49:58):
the website to if they want to check it out,
it's the New American.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You want to go ahead and give them that, sure,
that's Thenewamerican dot com.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Well, Rebecca, thank you so much for being with us.
Appreciate it. God bless Thank you. Thank you ladies and
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, good afternoon, Bill Martinez here. Good to have you
with us. Appreciate you tuning in this topic. I know
for some is a little bit of a challenge to hear,
but we need to confront what's happening in our culture.
For decades now, there's been so much misinformation. This issue
of abortion, my body, my right has just been so
(01:05):
entangled with emotions, and understandably, I mean, this is this
is a personal issue, but what's happening is the emotions
are really blocking out the things that we should consider,
you know, in such a way that it's almost like
we've kind of disrespected the whole idea of birth and
(01:28):
how we are, in a sense, you know, partnering with
God who is He is the creator, He is the
one that's made all this possible. And because of our
own convenience and you know, misunderstanding, we've really kind of
cheapened I guess is the word, and I don't mean
(01:49):
to be disrespectful about it, but we've definitely have cheapened
our understanding of a reproduction and what it represents, not
only in a physical sense, but even more so in
a spiritual sense. And it's the spiritual sense that I
believe has consequences that sometimes is beyond our understanding and comprehension,
and oftentimes that gets blotted out when emotions come in.
(02:13):
And Rebecca Terrell is going to be joining us in
just a moment. She's with the New American magazine. She's
also a former nurse, and this has been a topic
that she and I have discussed many times over the
years because we have seen the devastation that it's had
all born, you know, from lies and misrepresentation. You know,
when they sold everybody and the Supreme Court on this issue,
(02:38):
those that were driving you know, this whole dastardly say,
I say, dastardly and I know that's my comment. Okay,
you may have a different way of saying it, but
it really is. You know, you think about where we
are right now. You know, been estimated sixty eighty million
babies have been aborted, and even then those numbers are
so rough and we're not even having its crew number
(03:00):
on chemical abortions that have been taking place in the
last decade because they just really don't want us to
know the truth the culture is because they know that
if everybody really realize the depth of where we are
and I say, the death and our own humanity of
where we are and all this, we have an idea
and it's that idea that really, you know, created this
(03:22):
organic movement to reverse Roe v. Wade and to move
it back to the States. And when I say reverse,
I mean move it back to the states, get it
out of the get it out of the realm of
the federal which at that point it was one size
fits all. And of course the abortions were excited because
when it was with the federal government, then the very
thing they told us wouldn't happen did and that is
(03:43):
that we would start having taxpayer funded abortion. And if
that's not enough, I mean, we're all over the world
paying for abortions. What is all that about? Anyway? Rebecca
Trold is with us right now. Rebecca, thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How you've been been, Will It's great to see you. Bill,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, you know, this is such a say topic. And
you know, as you and I talked about before, and
with all due respect, you know, I'm a male figure.
Certainly you're a woman. And some people would say, well, Bill,
what do you You know, You're just a guy. You know,
you know it doesn't matter to you. But it's mattered
to me for a long time. And you know, as
you and I talked about before, I really felt like,
(04:20):
you know, in the Bible talks about the cry of
Rachel when the babies were murdered, when Herod you know,
put his edict out in hopes of killing Jesus, right,
and you heard of this cry, And I thought when
I was reading that many years ago, I thought, well,
at some point there's going to be a male cry
version of Rachel where the fathers of these children realized,
(04:40):
oh my god, I killed my child, and they bought
into the lie just like women did. That was meaningless,
It wasn't that matter of fact, But we came to
that conclusion on our own thinking, not even considering what
God has to say about this.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right, absolutely, it is a lie that we have been sold,
repeated and it's even worse now because of social media.
I mean, we're all just addicted to our screens, so
it's constantly. But you know, anytime we have a conversation
like this, I like to start out by acknowledging that
there are a lot of people in your own audience
who are going to be listening to this show and
(05:18):
who have had the misfortune, the horrible misfortune of being
canned by that lie, and they have had to survive
a horrible procedure going through an abortion, and they regret
it now. And I do want to emphasize as we're
talking about this, this is not in any way intended
to damn anyone who has that lie. That there are
(05:42):
in fact, you invoked Rachel's Crying Out. There's a group
called Rachel's Vineyard that's one of many organizations founded to
help women who have been through abortions and regret it
and help them to find that healing that is there
and the forgiveness that is there. Very important to start
any conversation about abortion by making that disclaimer and saying, look,
(06:05):
we're with you, we're on your side. We oppose abortion
because we're for you, not against you.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Right, And as you say, many women who have found
Rachel's Vineyard or other resources to you know, to get
some experience, some healing on this. And this is what
ignited this what I say, this ground swell and this
organic movement that puts so much pressure on the Supreme
Court to finally get them to deal with this because
(06:34):
they knew almost from day one, Rebecca, as you recall,
you know, from all the notations and everything and even
the record that they had their doubts. And and then
of course with technology and I guess just really understanding that,
you know, women were not necessarily in back alleys with
coat hangers giving themselves abortions.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
They were not. They absolutely were not. I have a
very personal story that relays that, how what a lie
it is that before Roe v. Wade, abortions for only
very very unsafe. All abortions are unsafe. And let's let's
specify what we're talking about here. We're talking about elective abortion.
We're not talking about the umbrella term in medical in
(07:16):
the medical world, an abortion can mean, you know, a
miscarriage is known as a spontaneous abortion. Still earth, anytime
a child does not survive pregnancy or birth, it's known
as an abortion. It's a very much an umbrella term.
What you and I are talking about today is exclusively
elective abortion. This is not health care. This is pregnancy
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is not a disease, and a baby, an unborn baby,
is not a disease or a cancer. Okay, so we
are we are exclusively talking about elective abortion. And if
we have time, we're going to get back to this
very important point because they use this to twist things
when they say, you know, oh, we have u pro
life bills or anti abortion bills and hungress that except
(08:04):
for the life of the mother, you know, abortion's band
except for the life of the mother. Well, there is
no obgen, no matter how pro life they are, that
would endanger a mother's life. And besides that, also, you
do not go, you do not run off to an
abortion mill when you're having a complication of pregnancy. That
is a healthcare matter. So when you're when you're going
(08:24):
to a planned parenthood that I call them abortion mills
because that's what they are they are They are gathering.
You don't realize that when you go there, you are
being used. Your baby's organs are being harvested, the stem
cells are being harvested. These people are making a lot
of money, not just on the charges that they charge
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to the woman who's getting the procedure, but they are
selling these parts. It's against the law. It doesn't matter.
It goes on. We know it, we have we have well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Look and look what happened. David de Lighton caught them,
got them on video. I think he's His legal fees
have now exceeded over a quarter of a million dollars,
and ironically enough, he's the only one that goes to jail. Yeah,
people from Planned Parenthood who admitted on film that they
(09:16):
were selling baby parts so that somebody could get a
Ferrari or whatever I think the comment was, which is absurd.
They're scott free.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And think about the implications of this in human trafficking
as well. Oh my gosh, abortions are now you can
obtain a chemical abortion pills courtesy of the FDA without
even an in person visit with your doctor, with your
healthcare provider, So there's no screening for any type of
abuse for any type of human trafficking, sex trafficking, So
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all of these sex this is like an open season
for sex traffickers that can obtain chemical abortion pills through
the mail and keep their system running without a hiccup.
You know, nobody, no one taking the part of these
young girls and women who are being exploited in these ways.
So no matter what, no matter how you feel about
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and we're going to get into the topic of you know,
when does life begin and all that, which is just
is it's absolutely ridiculous that that's even a question anymore.
But you know, no matter what you think about when
life begins, do you not at least have compassion on
these poor girls and women who are being trafficked And
we know they are being trafficked in the not just
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in the hundreds and thousands, but in the hundreds and
thousands and millions of Kaylin GEORGESQ a couple of years
ago reported that eight million children go missing worldwide each year.
That's an incredible millions, that's an insane number, right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Absolutely, And they said, and they said during the Biden
years there were three hundred thousand young girls that were
that were lost and then that number became four fifty
now five hundred thousand. God only knows. I mean, in
typical you know, government accounting. I guess it's just a guess.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right exactly. I mean, who can tell what the numbers
are exactly? And I actually even question the numbers that
they say that we have the world population is because
you know, they're always talking about overpopulation, overpopulation, how is
that possible? In so many countries now across the world
are not even meeting their replacement rate, yes, for births,
(11:24):
and that has been the case with the United States
of America for years now. We are not we are
handing over our culture because we are not pro creating.
God said be fruitful and multiply. And there's a reason
he said that too, is to protect your culture. And
when I say our culture, I am specifically referring to Christendom.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Rights, Western Western civilization. Rebecca. Yes, I mean that's really
the heartbeat of America and it's what has saved the
world up to this point.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Absolutely absolutely. And you know we also have to think too.
I mean, I know a lot of people talk about
all of these things that are the transhumanism and I
mean the journal Nature in two thousand and five published
a work. It was a seminal work on something called parabiosis,
and it was they were using rats and rodents at
(12:19):
the time, mice where they would interlink the blood systems
of an older animal with a younger animal and it
would rejuvenate the older animal. And that is what has become.
I mean, there are businesses now set up so humans
can do this. The FDA had to shut one down
(12:41):
a few years ago because it was just so latant.
What was happening that, you know, And we have Peter,
big names like Peter Teel. There was a big Vanity
Fair spread about him not too long ago, in a
recent Vanity Fair and him talking about how he consumes
young blood every day. Regina, this is their fountain of youth. So,
(13:03):
I mean, I know that this sounds outlandish and sci fi,
but they're doing this and we were getting I don't
know if you've ever seen the segment of the Ellen
DeGeneres Show when Sandra Bullock was on there, you can
look it up. You can find it pretty easily on YouTube,
and she talks about her skincare regimen and Ellen goads
(13:23):
her into admitting that what she does for her skincare regimen.
She goes to a specialist and gets micro needling that
injects stem cells from Korean babies.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Wow, and for reals, this is for reals, this.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Is this is not I'm not making this up. This
is go look for it yourself. I mean, you know,
people people love to call us conspiracy theorists when they
when it comes out of their own mouths, I'm just
quoting them. I'm saying what they've said, right.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, and we know Charlie Sheen was you know, infamously
talking about you know, tiger blood or whatever it was
that he was drinking. God only knows what with all
kinds of other hallucin engens, but you know that was
And of course I think, what didn't they do a
movie or something. There was some documentary on him that
again was reinforcing that. So you know, this is all
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the elites, especially in Hollywood, in search of the fountain
of youth.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, But I think to what we need
to do to end abortion? Because okay, so they ended
in June of twenty twenty four, Roe v. Wade was canceled, right,
and so everything goes back to the States. So this
huge victory guess what the abortion rates in this country.
You have not maybe on a micro scale in your
(14:43):
own town, if you live in Texas or another one
of those states that has strict abortion laws, maybe the
rates have gone down there, But nationwide, the abortion rates
have not decreased. In fact, in some areas they've increased
because people across the state lines. And as recently the
nineteen sixties, every single state had laws outlawing abortion. They
(15:05):
were very very strict every state. So what happened in
that very short amount of time since the nineteen sixties
to turn the country from.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You're talking ten years within ten years, that all this
stuff got turned on its head right.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Right exactly because because Roe v. Wade came very By
the way, if you look into the history, and there's
there's an excellent book by Linda Royale called Sacrifice the
Abortion Conspiracy, and she goes through in details how they
got roe v. Wade passed, and it was very underhanded
they did. They didn't allow a lot of you know,
(15:40):
Devil's Advocate for life. It was it was strictly it
was kind of a done deal from the beginning, and
they pushed it through and actually it was Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
She was on the court at the time. She said
out the court and she said during an interview, I
think it was in the nineteen eighties about Roe v. Wade. Well,
(16:02):
we passed that because we didn't want to have populations
of too many people. We don't we don't want many
that many of She used to she was something poor.
It was a programmar like that, so that she.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Was trying to she was channeling her Margaret Sanger, I think,
is what she was doing right exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And you know, we have to remember too, Margaret Sanger,
that was a huge That was a big project of
the Rockefeller Foundation, a huge Rockafeller money behind her and
the whole feminist movement. This was not a ground swell.
The feminist movement was was the opposite of, you know,
a bottom up movement. All of these big bankers, all
(16:45):
of these big American industrialists who were behind things like
the founding of the Federal Reserve and the passage of
the sixteenth Amendment income tax and all of this stuff,
they put their wives out there as the leaders of
feminist movement. So they were funding the feminist movement to
telling women that, oh, you're so put upon you're so
(17:08):
exploited by those evil husbands of yours, and nobody wants
to be barefriend and pregnant, knowing well that the hand
that rocks the cradle rules the world. There's a reason
that's a little saying that we have. And they knew
that they wanted the moms to take their hands off
that cradle so they could put it on. And now
that they have it on. Once a child survives the
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abortion culture that we have, now look what they're thrust into.
For instance, in the school system, we don't have We
no longer have sex education. We have comprehensive sexuality educating
and this is something that comes directly from the United Nations,
that's dictated by the United Nations. It is based on
a known pedophiles queer theory from the nineteen seventies and
(17:55):
it teaches children as young as three and four years
old the process of self stimulation. It uses very graphic
materials from kindergarten on up, and I mean things that
you and I actually can't talk about on the show.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right. Second, one the thing is it's amazing, too, Rebecca,
is that they will get these books and they come
to the school board meetings and say, let me read
them to you. They don't even even though they authorize
it to be in libraries and to be taught in school,
they don't want to hear it themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Right, they won't allow they'll cut the microphones off because
because oh they're clutching their pearls, I can't hear that.
That's you know, that's pornography. Well, the kids are getting
it in class. And think about these children. Number one,
when you're when a child is that young, the innocence
you're stripping away. What did you just say about people? Oh, yes,
(18:47):
actualize these little ones. It would be better than a
millstone and be tied around his neck and he be
thrown into the sea. Right, So that, right there should
be condemnation enough. But then you have the situation where
now they have convinced children are you a boy or
are you a girl? Or are you something else? And
this is that transformation into that is kind of the
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threshold into transhumanism. That's what transgenderism is. And they're bragging
about this kind of stuff. And it's still in the
realm of fiction that it's on. It's in the programming
that kids are watching, and parents aren't. They're not in
tune to it. They're busy. I'm not I'm not blaming.
I'm not saying, oh bad parents. They're busy. They're trying
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to keep heart and home together. They're both working. Because
you know, our economy is very anti family. Our economy
is set up to be anti family for this purpose,
to pervert this generation. You know who was it? Was
it Lennin. He said, give me one generation of children.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yes, that's right, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And now we have two. I mean, I know, I'm
I'm jen X. And they were the first latch key kids,
right right. And there was I mean there was, there
was not a lot of supervision back in the day
when you had you know, chaperones and you had uh,
you didn't have dating. You had courting. You know, you
(20:10):
had courtship, and the and the parents were involved. And
the father especially was you know, he's like, no, you
can't see this one. You know, I'm not gonna you know,
I'm not gonna allow that. That was not done again.
That is painted out as being Oh, they're keeping you
from your independence and from being you. No, they're preserving
your reputation, your dignity, your honor, your purity. They're they're
(20:33):
preserving your the rest of you. This this is a
time in your life that's going to make the difference
for the rest of your life. And you're coming back
to the abortion. I think this is this is so
heinous that there is everybody's now familiar with the University
of North Carolina Chapel Hill, Right, that's a game that's
very synonymous with the Wuhan Institute of Virology and with
(20:55):
all of the Pewter Desak and Anthony Fauci and all this. Well,
believe it or not, there is a population control arm
at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, and they
manufacture a product they call I don't know how to
pronounce it, it's I pass the way it's spelled. And
(21:15):
it is a manual section device, a manual vacuum aspirator
for self induced They take that the u N contracts
the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and takes these
instruments into countries like Brazil and uh you know, historically
(21:37):
Catholic countries where abortion is still against the law, and
they distribute these to women. Now, these are young girls
and women who are using these things not realizing, hey,
you could kill yourself. You could do damage to your
uterus that will prevent you from ever having children again.
(21:57):
You know. You also have to think about all the
UN programs, the tetanus vaccine programs that they've had in
the past, where they've only targeted women of child bearing age. Hmm.
And then the doctors start looking into it turns out
contraceptive products in those tetanus vaccines, and now all of
those countries where those tetanus campaigns were waged, now they're
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suffering from this, not being able to have their replacement
birth right right met just like we are right, just
like in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Except it makes it makes you wonder, you know, in
the United States, did we get some sort of you know, vaccine.
I don't think so violation or something, or you just
think it's more just a psychological deal where they did
this campaign which was driven as you say, you got
to go back to the beginning, and it was driven
(22:50):
by eugenesis. People that felt like, well, you know, I
mean I remember the days when they'd say, well, population
is two billion, it's not sustainable, you know, And so
you get people like Bill Gates and others. Margaret Sanger,
of course, just saying, you know, the population the world
cannot handle this many people. Where we're now at eight billion, Rebecca,
(23:10):
They're probably their heads are exploding right exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
And you have to remember too that now that that
the FDA. I had mentioned that earlier, that the FDA
has made the chemical abortion drugs available on demand without
even an in person visit. Sometimes the telehealth visit is required.
What's a telehealth is it?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
We're talking about?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Are we going to go to schools and then you
see them in the vending machine next to an apple
and an orange drink or something exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And another shameful statistic that is absolutely true. You can
look it up, is that the United States of America,
of all the developed world, has one of the highest
rates of maternal mortality. Now you have to wonder, okay,
why is that. Could that have to do with the
bortifacient drugs, because we have to recall Rememberumber two, there
(24:01):
is no form of birth control that does not have
abortifacient qualities. Now, what does that mean? That means all
birth control causes abortion. You might be conceiving all the
time when you're taking chemical birth control or using an
IUD you might be conceiving all the time and then
expelling that unborn baby right in the next minstral cycle,
(24:26):
and you don't know it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So, you know, when you were talking at the introduction
to the show, you were talking about the statistics of
how many babies have died? We have no idea. Because
now let's talk about because I had brought that up earlier,
let's talk about when does life begin? Yes, local science
has answered this question. We already know the answer to
this question.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
And it's important because this is where it all. We
got to start at the beginning, right And I think,
you know, as in watching some of these videos with
Charlie Kirk having these conversations with these young girls, and
this is what prompted this, and I said, I got
to talk to Rebecca. We got to We've got to
address this issue because these young girls. You know, I'm thinking, Rebecca,
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you know, us parents, what are we thinking we're sending
our child you know, especially our daughters and guys, you
know especially you know, these are our pride and joy.
We send our daughters to a university to what to
hook up with God only knows what? How many times
right and.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
For what too? I mean, most degrees at a university.
It's just it's an expense. It's not it's not an investment.
There is absolutely no there's no logical reason for sending
your child into the mouth of the lion.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Right, I'm right.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
When these kids who have been coddled and treated like
children well into their what should be considered young adult,
their late teen years, and suddenly they're let loose on
a college campus with all sorts of freedom, what do
you think it's going to happen? Because, well, on.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Top of going back to what you said earlier, these
kids have been preconditioned, you know, at an early age,
they've been sexually stimulated. Yes, and so now you go, okay,
you know the keys, the keys are out, the locks
off the door, right, you know, have at it, and
don't worry, Mom and dad will pay one hundred grand
a year for you in order to go out for
(26:23):
this sexual experience.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Right exactly, exactly. Yeah, It's it's kind of like youth
is wasted on the young that holds saying. Right, you know,
it's easy to it's easy to talk about things twenty twenty,
but that's why we need the wisdom of the older
generations telling the younger. No, I'm not gonna Yeah, I'm
going to be the bad guy here. I'm going to
put a curfew on you. I'm not going to let
(26:45):
you live in the dorm. You're going to stay under
you know, under the watchful eye of the parents who
actually do care about you, you know, right, and not
to let these kids go off to these these institutions
that I mean, honestly, how okay, if you're going to
get a degree in engineering, if you're going to get
a degree and say accounting, to get a CPA or
(27:05):
go into medicine or something like that, yes you do
need higher education. Most of these other other things, really
are they just a waste of time? You're going to
be flipping burgers at mcdonnald's right. It's that kind of thing.
And I'm not downplaying. I'm not trying to say. I'm
not trying to say don't get an education, but be
very very wary. I mean, let the buyer beware. The
(27:28):
colleges out there stand to make a lot of money
off of you.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know, that's there, and at your daughter's expense, at
your daughter's expense, right, it's just heartbreaking, you know, And so.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
What is more important than her soul or how she
feels right now, Right an eighteen year old trust an
eighteen year old to figure out her own life. Grow
out there. No, that's cruelty, that's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Why don't we get driver's license to ten year olds?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
There you go exactly, we give up smartphones. Most ten
year olds these days have smartphones and full access and
even if they don't have full excess, they can get it.
Don't don't be naive. You got to get that. You
got to get rid of those screens. It's just a
constant flow of of sewage into your home when you
have screens and your I mean, if the if you
(28:17):
have screen, if you have the Internet in your house.
I quoted an FBI agent who's involved in this, in
the child trafficking and all of that. She said, if
you have the Internet in your home, you have porn
in your home, right and there's nothing The only thing
you can do is unplug right after right, But you know,
(28:41):
but again going back to that, Okay, so I want
to be very specific about you know this this question
of when does life begin? Because and the reason it's
so important to bring this up is because organizations like
the who the World Health Organization and all of these
others in our own.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I mean, you mean the brain trust that kept us
so protected during COVID. We need to really yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
The ones we should trust, you know, right, Yeah, exactly.
They still define pregnancy as beginning. They don't say life.
They say pregnancy begins at implantation of the baby in
the in the womb. Okay, big problem, big problem with that,
because we we know science, and science has known this
(29:22):
for decades. We know that when the sperm and the
egg unite inside of a woman's body at that moment,
there are certain changes that the mother's immune system immediately undergoes,
and if those changes do not take place, the immune
system of that mother's body identifies that new life as
a foreign object, gets rid of it. Okay, So her
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own body is belying all of these other people are.
So life doesn't begin until birth, or life doesn't begin
until the third trimester or this or that. And then two,
I think, really to drive it home, we really need
to talk more about what elective abortion actually is, and
by that I mean what you actually go through when
(30:09):
you go into that abortion. Mellon, What is actually going
to happen if it's early enough, you're going to insert
a knife into your womb and cut your baby two pieces,
suck it out with a vacuum, and then reassemble the
body to make sure they got everything out, because if
they left anything then it could cause an infection. Right now,
(30:31):
this is very interesting too. There are a number of
so much for safe and rare, right exactly, there's nothing safe.
There's absolutely nothing safe.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
This is interesting too. There are a number of people
who are netwalking the earth now who were babies who
survived an abortion procedure, and a lot of them. It's
a case where the abortionists missed that there were twins,
got one baby and miss to the other one, so
(31:01):
the woman remained pregnant. So you know, you have the
chance of having a baby who's been hurt in the womb.
In that respect, abortion always always results in the death
of a baby, right right. In other abortion and later
term abortions, they will if the baby's still small enough,
(31:23):
they'll go in there with horse ups or an instrument
like that, crush the skull and then pull the pieces out,
or they'll stick a section device to the back of
the neck and suck the brain out and crush the
skull and pull everything out. Whatever makes it easier for
the abortionist. In a later term, the trimester later trimester,
like a third trimester abortions, they'll use chemicals. They'll inject
(31:47):
salt solution into the amniotic fluid, and the baby, over
the course of about an hour or two has violent
convulsions and burns to death inside and out because they're
taking in that that salt, and so that he's burning
on the inside and the outside so very and he's
writhing in pain.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Wa And what does that do in the woman's womb, Rebecca,
I mean here the child inside is is getting cooked.
You know by this it has to I would think
it have some effect inside of the woman, would it not.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Cause it can cause violent convulsions, And that's that's what happens.
And sometimes they'll they'll administer mifa pristol, which causes contractions
and causes the woman to deliver six ball deliver the
dead baby. And sometimes they just sometimes the baby's still
living now and they'll set them to the side and
(32:40):
let them know.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's what happened with the God's nol case. Right. Yes,
there were any babies that were born alive and they
just set them there on a cold tray and let
him die. And of course you had the one governor
of Virginia said, oh, we'll just offer them comfort care.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You just you just killed them. You've caused your torture,
and now you say, oh, let me comfort you while
you die.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Like somehow, somehow that's humane after you've you've done this
heinous act on this child.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Everybody who talks about abortion needs to watch the video.
There are a number of videos available on the American
Life League website. It's a l L dot org and
you can go in there. They have a wonderful library
of files. If you go into the library files that
they have about both surgical and chemical abortions, they have
they have videos that are of course animation, it's right,
(33:33):
but that show you all of these procedures and many
many that you know, there are only about it's only
about twenty percent or less of Obejian's who will.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Perform right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Because after a while and they've they've said this, you know,
abortionists who who've turned their backs on the industry have said,
I couldn't keep counting the baby parts and keep saying
this was to clump of.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Cells exactly, exactly. Well, Abby Johnson, you know, the famed
Planned Parenthood director, which there was a movie Unplanned uh,
that she was part of. I mean, that's what turned
her life around. I mean, for five years she worked
as an administrator for Planned Parenthood. Thought everything was honky dory,
until one day she ended up in one of the
rooms in the operating rooms and saw for herself what happened.
(34:23):
Never again, never again.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
She watched the ultrasound, and she watched that baby fighting
for his life. Right, so, baby, he was fighting against you.
He was trying to move away from the instruments of
torture and death.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
But babies don't feel any pain, Rebecca, they tell us,
right right.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Right, Well, and medical science knows that that's not true either,
because what's the first system that has to develop before
the others can? Right, logical system, right, that's the brain.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Well, let's go, let's go through the process. We started saying,
okay in the beginning, Okay, this is when you know,
because when that child, when that child is conceived, I mean,
you have DNA developed, You have all the programming that
goes into the uh, the the embryo as it's uh
you know, as as it's impregnated, and all this information
(35:12):
that God has designed is in. It is in now
the mother's womb, and once it attaches itself to the uterus,
you know, then it's you know, the capsule is landed,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Right, exactly exactly. And you and we were talking the
other day. You mentioned that we have a video now
of that spark that happens when the egg and the
sperm unite and there's a flash of light, and that's
actually the formation of this protective protein coding. I'm using
that term loosely because but that's basically what it is.
(35:48):
That's part of the shutdown of the mother's immune system.
And when I say shutdown of the mother's immune system,
it's only in relation to that baby. It's not in
relation to other pathogens that might being her. So don't
don't feel pregnancies. You know, all of.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
A sudden, all her protective devices are shut down. Now
it's only to protect the child, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But I'll tell you what too. This is another consideration
that women don't think of that. And I couldn't believe
the statistic, but I heard this from an expert in
the industry that one out of fifty pregnancies result in
ec topic pregnancy, and that is where the fetus implants are,
the baby the embryo implants in an area outside the limb,
(36:32):
usually in the filoppian tube. There are a lot of
areas where it can you know, a mistake can happen.
That is always, always, always when it is discovered, and
it's discovered by ultrasound and other tests, that is always
considered a life threatening condition for the mother. It always
has to be taken care of because if that ruptures,
the mother will die. Any pro life obgen is going
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to take care of that and immediately, not for the
purpose of the baby's life, but for the purpose of
protect the mother. The mother. Now, that's where it goes
back to what I was saying before, where all of
these pro life laws we need to stop using the
narrative of the left. Oh, this is a pro life
law that's against abortion in all cases except for the
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life and health of the mother. When have you ever
known a mother who has an ectopic pregnancy or any
other pregnancy complication who runs off to Planned parenthood to
get healthcare at Planned parent You don't. My personal story
that I mentioned earlier was I'm giving my age away
(37:38):
and telling this. But I was born prior to forro
V Wade. Revy Wade was January nineteen seventy three, so
lost just say that this was prior to that, and
the doctor I was begging number two for my mother
and she had what is called the rh factor, which
meant that I was supposed to die. Basically, that's the
long story short. She already had a child and our
(38:01):
blood types were conflicting with one another, and I was
supposed to die because of that. Her doctor warned her
of that early in her pregnancy with me, and he
said to her, you're going to lose the baby anyway,
so I can abort the baby now and save you
that heartache and headache. Would you like when would you
like to schedule it? He was going to schedule it
(38:22):
right then and there in the hospital, and he was
doing it. There were laws on the books back then,
oh abortion is wrong. He was still doing it in
the safety of the hospital. Right. So all this stuff
about all those unsafe abortions that happened prior to roe
V Wade, it's just whoy. It's part of the lie.
(38:44):
It's part of that negative that they have out there.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Kind of funny. They'll give you a number with that
in a sense, they make up a number, but yet
they can't give you the number post where we are today,
right with all the technology and everything. I mean, obviously
they're hiding this for you know, their own you know,
personal gain, because we're talking billions of dollars this abortion
industry has become.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Right well, another thing that people fail to talk about
is the wonderful option of adoption exactly because girls who
who do find themselves in these situations and I can
I understand it. I you feel like your vackskins of
the wall and oh my goodness, I'm gonna get in
so much trouble and this is going to ruin my
(39:25):
life and it won't ruin your life. But you know,
there are there is it's a challenge, and say you
don't want to meet that challenge. Put yourself out for
nine months for this new little life that you helped create,
and you know, let it, let it blossom and grow
under the care of parents who are waiting out there
for who can't have a baby on their own for
(39:45):
one reason or another and desperately want one.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
There are many like something like what three hundred thousand
I think has been estimated three hundred thousand parents waiting
and eager, you know, to adopt.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Right and eager to help. I have a friend you
pickets at abors and mills and always, always, whenever anyone
walks into the mill, he yells at them, I will
adopt your baby. I will take care of you throughout
the whole pregnancy. I will adopt your baby. I will
take care of your baby. It actually two times has
(40:17):
been taken up on that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well and there's there's lots and there's lots of facilities
like that, pro life facilities that you know that will
be there with the mother, give or counseling, deliver the baby,
you know, and make sure that you know they have
diapers and expenses that are covered. Uh. You know, it's
it's amazing that you've had you know, what's been done.
I said amazing in a positive way. Uh. You know,
(40:40):
people who are partnering with God, you know, for this
little life, right God that God you are. You are
partnering with God in the creation of this child.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Absolutely, And that's what you're talking about. You're talking about
crisis pregnancy centers and those are all over the place
and they're easy, easy easy. Fine, those are the ones
who were that were attacked after Roe v.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Wade.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's like, why are you attacking them? They're helping women,
you know who want to keep their babies or who
want to opt for adoption but have to carry you know,
obviously have to carry the baby to term, and a
lot of the resources there are completely free of charge.
It's just it's a wonderful world and you have to
you have to think too, Okay, if you think having
(41:25):
this baby is going to ruin your life, imagine what
your life is going to be like after you take
this baby's life and you have to live with that
for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's just still the day you die.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Die And just like if you have the baby, it's
going to be a really convenient for maybe the next
nine months then you know. And there are even options,
you know they call they have an option called open
adoption where the adoptive parents are still in communication with
the birth mother and she gets to have updates about
her child as he or she grows up. So, I mean,
(41:58):
there are options out there. I think I think girls
who run off and have this knee jerk reaction and
run to a plant parenthood as if that's the only
place that understands them, the only place that's concerned about them.
I can assure you they're more concerned about the money
they can make. Yeah, wouldn't be doing this without the money.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Oh, without a doubt. I mean, that's that's the fastest
way to shut down. You know, planned parenthood is take
the money away, right. And the thing is plant parenthood
is not going to tell you what happens post abortion.
You know, they take your money, you go. You know,
they're not going to deal with your depression. How how
you know? Oh my god, what have I done? And
(42:36):
this is what you hear often Rebecca's. You know, these
young girls, no matter what they are, no matter how
you know, far away from anything spiritual they may be,
it speaks to them spiritually that they know in their
conscience what they've done, what they've participated in, is not
it's not right bill us.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
One other thing that's very because you will see these
stories that get pushed out there, especially on social media,
of oh, this woman was denied access she had to
carry around her dead baby inside her because her doctor
wouldn't perform the DNC after her miscarriage. Every single one
of those stories that I've run across, I can debunk
(43:19):
it in less than two minutes. They are and I'm
going to say something that sounds very harsh, but those
women who tell those stories are lying. And the people
who tell the stories about not being able to get
certain medications like for their diabetes or this or that
or the other thing because those drugs have a bortifacient potential,
those are lies to the only situation where they might
(43:41):
not be lying, as if a pharmacist would be crazy
enough not to know the laws in his own state
and would deny that somehow. But this is the thing.
When doctors prescribe medications, they have to put a code
on it for insurance or Medicare or Medicaid, whatever, have
a code. This is the reason this medication is being administered.
This is for lupus, this is for a UTI, this
(44:03):
is for and a lot of these medicines have warnings
on them saying if you're pregnant, worn your doctor first
because you shouldn't be taken this because it has a
bortifacient potential. But the purpose of that drug is not
to induce abortion. So all of these stories, they were
specially the media was especially full of them right after
the overturning of ro V Wade. Every single one of
(44:24):
them absolute lie. It was done to demonize the pro
life crowd and the pro life legislation that was passing
in certain in certain states. But I'm ashamed to say
most of the states in the United States of America
right now are pro death.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Exactly. Well, it's a culture we've been you know, as
we said earlier, uh are the last two generations have
been conditioned, you know, to be accepting of this, and
you know, and the challenge we have is that how
do you speak to these young girls right so connected
and and I say even the young men who are
(45:02):
so connected to think that somehow they can approach a
college camp is like a consumer, like they're going to
order up a cheeseburger and buy like some young girl.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I think I think that probably what needs to happen
is the girls need to We need to reach the
girls with the message of look at this the threats,
the risks associated with abortion, the risks to your health,
the risks to your potential to have children in the future,
the risks that you stand. For instance, if you try
(45:35):
to get the abortion drugs from mail order, which the
FDA now allows. You don't have an in person visit.
You have no idea if you're that one out of
fifty pregnancies that's ec topic. The symptoms of a chemical
abortion are exactly the same as the symptoms of a
ruptured ec topic pregnancy. And if your ectopic pregnancy ruptures,
(45:59):
you have minutes to save your life. And that is
not an exaggeration. And girls need to be taught this
is this is you are taking. You're playing Russian Roulette
with your own life when you start to fill around
with all of these abortion drugs and with abortion in general.
Even if you go in for a surgical abortion, they're
(46:20):
very risky. Chemical abortion under the best circumstances, your risks
of severe, severe adverse effects or even death are four
times higher that is surgical abortion. So people think, oh,
chemical abortion is so much easier. No, it's horrific and
it's much much riskier. It's much more life threatening.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Now it's not like taking two tail and alls, as
some doctors have said in others. And the thing is
in you, and I've discussed this before, is that I
can't imagine what these young girls see when all of
a sudden, the baby is expelled out of their bodies
and it's in the toiletble right.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
And do that happens? The planned parenthood will give them
the drugs. They're instructed to go home, lay down. They
might have some cramping. No no, no, you have severe cramping,
you have severe bleeding. You think you're gonna die. You
end up delivering a dead baby, or horrifically too, you
could deliver a live baby that then dies before your eyes.
You know this. It happens all the time. And just
(47:22):
their horror that these women have to live with. They're
in counseling for years thereafter. Sometimes they're messes up their marriages.
That results in broken marriages, broken homes.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You've got suicide rates that go We've got about a
minute and a half left here, Rebecca. I think that,
you know, I guess if there's anything that I can
say to these young girls is that you got to
love yourself. You've got to treasure yourself. Hopefully you find
somebody who treasures you like your dad does, that will
love and protect you, and that will honor you, and
(47:57):
that your body is a gift of God and it's
absolutely precious and it is as I said at the
very onset, you have to think of it in terms
of that it's sanctified, Your body is holy. And if
you can get that through and embrace that over all
that you've been told and conditioned by is that's a
(48:18):
big lie. That's that's the ism. You know, all these
isms we were talking about isms today, you know, communism, socialism, everything,
what it is, All those isms are anti god, birth
is pro god, pro life. That's so, who are you
going to partner with? Are you going to partner with
the anti god people? Are you going to partner with
the pro life people, the pro God people? Who cares
(48:41):
about you? Who has a future and plan for you?
Right I'm going to let you summarize it and wrap
it up.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Go ahead, absolutely well. I do want to reach out
to anybody who might be facing an unplanned pregnancy and
go you know's it seems desperate right now, Your life
is not over. You have you have begun a new life,
and there are so many resources out there, so many
people who do want to help you. Even if you
feel like you can't, turn to your family, turn to
(49:09):
a crisis pregnancy center, go to your local national Right
to Life or any of the other Right to life
groups so you can contact them online. There are conditions
of anonymity. You can not even have to tell your name,
and you will find the resources that you need to
get you through this and you know, and start this
new little life. Who knows if the baby that you're
carrying inside of you right now is the next Beethoven
(49:31):
or the doctor who because your cancer. Some of them,
you don't want to deprive the world of that beautiful,
joyful life.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Or that precious one when you are at the lowest
part of your life, will come to you and hug
your face. Yea absolutely priceless right, yes, absolutely, Rebecca, Terryl
thank you as always so awesome. God bless you. Kyl
is a former nurses with the New American magazine and
(49:58):
the website to if they want to check it out,
it's the New American.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You want to go ahead and give them that, sure,
that's Thenewamerican dot com.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Well, Rebecca, thank you so much for being with us.
Appreciate it. God bless Thank you. Thank you ladies and
gentlemen for being with us and sharing a part of
your day. For more info on the show Bill Martinez
Live dot com. May God bless you and keep you.
May make us face shine upon you. May He be
gracious unto you and give you peace. God bless
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