July 14, 2025 • 51 mins
Anton Chaitkin, Historian and Author of Who We Are: America's Fight for Universal Progress, from Franklin to Kennedy: Volume II - 1830s to 1890s. An AUTHENTIC American nationalist champions the scientific progress and high living standards of all aspiring nations, against the arrogance of globalism to set rules for the world. At the heart of our national crisis lies the critical distinction between globalism and globalization.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello and welcome. I'm Bill Martinez. Good to have you
with us here. I'm Bill Martinez Live. We're going to
talk American law versus globalist barbarism, and you know it's
going to be a bit of an opportunity here to
again review the meaning of words and where we are
today and how the language has influenced our perspective and
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really distorted so much of what's going on in the
body politic today. And Antonin Schenkin, I tell you he's
been such a breath of fresh air for me, having
been on our daily show on several occasions, and I
had to have him on this show to where we
could have a little bit more time to go into detail.
Anton is a historian and author of two books, actually
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more books than that, but two in particular that we're
going to focus on, titled Who We Are America's Fight
for Universal Progress From Franklin to Kennedy Volumes one and two,
which takes us from the early years back in the
seventeen hundreds and then picks up from eighteen thirty to
eighteen ninety. It is America's Fight for Universal Progress from
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Franklin to Kennedy. That's volume one, the seventeen fifties, eighteen fifties,
and boy, I'll team. If you have any desire to
understand what's going on in our country today, you must
you must look at history, because we just didn't happen here.
I mean, this has all been a progressive evolution, I
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might say, on where we find ourselves today and so ununited.
When initially we got together and we seemed a distinct
majority of people were on board to move us in
the direction of unity. But right now the battle rages.
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So Antonine Schaikin, I want to bring you on right now,
and ladies and gentlemen welcome. Anton Chakan, the historian and
author that I've been bragging about. And I tell you
it's such an honor and pleasure to have you on
the show here Anton, Thank.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You so much. Bill, Yeah, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well. And you have you know, quite the history.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Not only are you an author, you know your father.
You come from a legacy, you know, considering you know
your father and New York attorney who fought in courts
to break Wall Street and London London sponsorship of Adolf
Hitler's dictatorship in Germany. Yes, you heard that right. Many
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of the lawsuits were against international Nazi interests managed by
Prescott Bush, the father and grandfather of the two Bush presidents.
Of course, a book that you wrote about George Bush Senior,
the Unauthorized Biography, which was probably the only serious Bush
Senior book, which helped defeat Bush's nineteen ninety two re
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election attempt, right it did.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's too bad what happened with the next president turn
out to be Bill Clinton. But the problem we're facing
with the Bush family and with the bank they worked for,
the Harriman Bank and Morgan and all those New York
and their affiliated London mother banks, is that they represent
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a faction that was opposed to the American Revolution. These
are Americans or people in London during the time of
our revolution. And these are Americans who stayed here even
though they were opposed to the country, and they were
in Boston, or they were in South Carolina places like that.
These are the Tories, and this faction are the imperial faction.
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They were the slave owners and others, and they are
the ones that have always pushed for foreign wars which
would be opposed to the interest of the country, like
the invasion of Mexico, for example, or the invasion of
the Philippines. They were not on the side of the Union.
And these are the wars. But let's look at the
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real heart of this issue, and that is the ability
of the United States to take its place in the
world as a great eight manufacturing power, with science and
high skills for its population, and with a whole large
population that was all on board, as you said, behind
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national purposes. You need strong borders for that, But that's
not the real issue. Is the kind of a nation
that you're building that's capable of having tremendous manufacturing power
and science power. Later on the space programs like that.
The other faction the imperial faction, the British Empire have
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always opposed this kind of civilization.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And now that the rest that that the world is
moving fast towards every country either being an advanced country
or having the capability of becoming an advanced and developed country.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
These horrifying characters in the in the in the globalist
established where the enemies of our country, they are moving
for wars and other measures of chaos that will, in
their interest, in their hope, will destroy the present civilization
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as we know it. They don't. They do not agree
with advanced industrial civilization. They want to go back to
a chaotic and weakened state for mankind and a smaller population.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, it's kind of a different form of slavery, is
it not. I mean, it's kind of one size fits
all type of governance.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, that's what they want, but they do not so
on our side. The people that developed our country, as
I've shown in these in the histories, the New History
of the Country that i'm the first two volumes, third
volume out, well, I'm going to be working on now
twentieth century. The people who developed our country and it's
power were nationalists, and they were also looking for universal
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progress that means for all mankind. They helped other countries,
countries like Japan, Germany, Russia, They tried to help China,
they went for they even tried they tried to help
Mexico later on. They were in the twentieth century. We're helping,
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We're looking to help Iran and other countries like that.
And so the issue is, are our country and other aspiring,
upward rising countries as we rose, have to work together
against this imperial power, this globalism. And so this is
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the issue now before us. If we allow these globalists
now to put us back on the road to nuclear
war as we were going under Biden, you were headed
for nuclear war with Russia, but also for nuclear war
with Iran and nuclear war with China. All of those
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things were being pushed by the globalists running the government
when Biden was president, you know, and again when Trump
is president and he's not existing them like he should.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, well they thought and they you know, when Trump said,
you know that Joe Biden was taking us to World
War three, they thought that Trump was being hyperbolic. But
I don't think they realized, well, the masses didn't realize
how close we were.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's right. And he was his challenge to the globalist
establishment in his campaign, not by what he did, but
what he said and how he rallied people. His challenge
was on two counts. The first count was stop these wars.
Shut them down. Shut Down Israel's war against its neighbors.
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That's insane. That's going to lead to World War three too.
Shut Down the attempt to have a nuclear war with China.
Where does that lead? That's crazy. The other thing that
Trump said was We're going to use tariffs to interfere
with trade in our favor to build up our manufacturing. Now,
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you can't just do it with tariffs, but tariffs are
historically proven instrument for nationalists to build up manufacturing, along
with infrastructure sponsored by the federal government and so forth.
The problem with the way Trump was able to deal
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with these things when he became president is that he
never went right before the public and said, we need
a decisive break with the globalist system. Let me tell
you who the enemy is. Let me tell you about
the offshore banking system. Let me tell you who really
controls the drug cartels in Mexico. And it's not some
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cheap gangster in Mexico. These international Banks.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Let me tell you are the deep state, Anton, because
we only hear we hear more about the deep state
than we hear about this globalist dynamic that you're presenting.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
The deep state usually refers to people within our government
in Justice Department or other agencies or intelligence agencies who
are who are not elected, and who carry out, you know,
aims which are opposed to our national interests, but including
assassinating our presidents.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But this is this is part of a larger a clique,
a transatlantic clique, especially with this so called special relationship
with England. How did we get into that by abandoning
our independence? Especially when Teddy Roosevelt became president, he was
not the hero that the party leadership make him out
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to be. Teddy Roosevelt said, we need to have English
speaking peoples rule the world in an empire. Now, what
does that really mean. It means cancel the declaration of independence.
It means we don't need to go west and build
up family farms and and manufacturing in the Western States.
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All we need to do is build a big navy
and go beat up on some countries overseas, and we
can let the British Empire give us the the strategy
for the world, and what's that strategy constant war World
War one to begin with. Then you then you devise
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other means of crushing Germany and Russia. First of all,
World War One gives you communism. Yay, that's a new enemy.
Isn't that wonderful? No, it's not wonderful. Then you then
you build up Hitler like these guys did on Wall
Street in London, and then that gives you another world war.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And that's busy wonderful.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No, it's not wonderful.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, And that's Bush building a Hitler too, right.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It was that that Bush family. So when our people
are globalists, not our people gave the hired Osama bin
Laden to fight communism in Afghanistan in nineteen seventy nine,
when our people under Reagan without it wasn't Reagan doing
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it was Bush and Ali North and people like that
in the Reagan administration when they gave arms to the
Mullus in Iran and got money from that to so
called fight communism in Central America. What was the result
of those of those adventures? Was it stability and American interests? No,
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it was calculated to result in chaos and anti American
sentiment throughout the world. That was the purpose of it.
So you want to if you want to solve these problems,
you have to say to yourself, do we really believe
in the values of the United States and Western civilization?
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First of all, monotheism, what does that mean? It means
first of all that God created all men, and so
therefore we are all of one blood. In the world,
human species is completely different from the animals. We're all
one blood. So therefore we have the same interests as
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our brothers in every other country. We should have it
the way that you the way that you are going
to be fooled as a patriot, where the way the
globalists will fool you into the trap of war is
by having you say I will be better off than
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some other country, in which we will try to keep
them down while we get resources or while we have power.
You know. The New York Times, in an article a
couple of days ago, refers to the American empire that's
being challenged by Iran, Russia and China. We're not an empire.
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If we are, we don't exist as a nation. We
are going to exist as a nation in the future.
If we build up our power, to invent, to discover,
to go into the deep space program, to do nuclear power,
to do great dams, to do modern steel mills with
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real high temperature processes. And this is our future along
with other countries in the world. There's no reason we
can't be friends with Iran, with China, with Russia, with Egypt,
with Brazil, all of these countries. We have to build
up our power and that is the secret. The secret
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here is that the globalists are the ones that took
down the advanced manufacturing capabilities, the advanced power in the US,
Britain and Germany right, and while they hollowed them out,
they set up this offshore criminal banking system and to
be parasites against US all and made rules that say
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that the US will only be able to have any
influence by making war on other countries instead of being
the problem solvers as we used to be.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And how do we decouple ourselves from that anton The.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
First step is that people have to say that they
want to survive. Right now we're headed towards nuclear war again,
and so we have to make a decisive break with globalism.
That means you have to understand what we need, What
do we need what kind of a working force do
we need in the United States? Think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
First, we've got to understand the enemy.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
We have done no, no, the enemy. The enemy is global,
as you can define the intelligence. Israel is part of
that whole thing with Britain and with corrupted elements in
our intelligence sector. But the first thing is to understand
what are our real needs. We need to have a
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massive increase in manufacturing. We need state of the art
infrastructure infrastructure, we need high speed, modern transportation. We're going
to have to build nuclear power plants across our country.
What kind of workforce do we need. They need to
be literate, they need to be optimistic, they need to
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be large and growing. That means we have to decide
that there was a terrible mistake made when we took
the advanced heavy industry down in the nineteen seven in
these and agies. That was a terrible thing to do
to our country.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Right and to our people and the deal. This is
when you go back, let's rewind to the very beginning
that you introduced this whole topic. Is that you know,
we broke away from America, broke away from the European idea,
and all of a sudden we had, we had all
these people that had this pent up energy, and I
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think we got a little bit of a taste of
it here recently after Barack Obama. Barack Obama had really
put a lid on the productivity of America at large.
When Donald Trump came in, he unleashed it. He took
the lid off, and look what happened. Our productivity went
through the roof. Barack Obama was predicting, you couldn't do
You know, you're not going to do better than two
percent GDP. Trump said, hey, I think we could do
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four or five percent, and Obama laughed at him. He
just didn't believe it. But to your point, we've got
all this brilliance and potential within America, three hundred and
fifty million Americans. If we're unleashed, well, I'll tell you
we are a force to contend with and a force
not to contend with others in an adversarial manner. I
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agree with you, but in a way that will help
others and all in the name of God who created
this popcorn stand.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
To begin with, let me see if we can define
the problem between in the terms of the United States
and Mexico okay, all right. In the late nineteen seventies
early nineteen eighties, there was a president of Mexico, Jose
Lopez Portillo po Rtillo. He proposed that Mexico should build
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nuclear power plants and he was active on that. He
proposed that they should have scientific, modern manufacturing and scientific
agriculture with tractors, the whole thing industrialized, have a high
wage economy, use their oil. Along with Venezuela, which then
was not controlled by leftists, the two countries would help
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to develop the other countries of Latin America. And so
this is before we had a major drug culture in
the United States. So what happened The United States was
taken down after the murder of Kennedy, right, taken down
by these globalist strategy, and Mexico was prevented from industrializing
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the way that they wanted to and they should have.
The globalist strategy was enunciated by Henry Kissinger. He said,
flat out, what did he say, we do not want
a Japan south of the border? Why not would that
be bad for us to have a high wage modern
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country down there if they're industrialized and the people have
a tremendous stake in building a future because they're they're
they're getting a good living. They want to day in
their country. They don't need to swarm across the border
in desperation to try to find a better life. In
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that case, who is going to be a cow cowing
and bowing down to the drug cartels. We are not.
If we could be rebuilt in the right way, then
our people would not be drug addicted as they became
after we lost our industrial base. Both countries are going
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to sink or swim together on the basis of modern
high wage industry. So we there was a terrible deal
that was proposed by the Rhino Republicans and was put
in put through by Bill Clinton called NAFTA. What was
that free trade, cheap labor. We're going to get pop
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labor out of Mexico, take down the border, and make
sure that nobody makes a good living. Who does that benefit.
I'll tell you who it actually benefited. It benefited the
largest banks in the United States and Britain. These are
basically British banks like the HSBC bank that control the
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drug cartails that laundered their money. That's who benefited. And
they also laundered money for the terrorists in the Middle East,
Osama bin Laden al Qaeda. Why what is their objective?
As I said to begin this, they are looking to
take down the kind of industrial civilization that has been
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building up since about the seventeen eighties, at the time
of the American Revolution, when we had the steam engine
and so forth. That helped the British Empire for a while,
but they saw that they could not really prevent the
rest of the world from becoming powerful modern countries, and
they don't want that, so they said, we would rather
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have the end of modern civilization, and that's what they're
aiming at instead, which includes drug addiction. Look at the
movie that they put out, the dystopia. All you see
in these movies in the future, What is it going
to be in the future? People living after a nuclear
war some other terrible apocalypse. Why why do it have
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to be like that? That's what our children are being
taught that you have no possibility of having a modern
future where all the nations are cooperating to do exciting projects,
where you make money and you do good business and
have high skills. That's a much better world, a much
more stable world. The anime globalists do not want stability
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and that should be our aim. The only way you
get stability is by having progress. Exactly, you have to stay.
We're determined that we will survive, and the only way
to survive is to have a decisive break with these globalists.
First of all, by saying, anybody that's proposed going back
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to war with Russia and having Israel to keep up
its wars against Iran and US going to war with China.
Anybody who proposes that is a snake, who is posing
as some sort of a conservative. These are the globalist
enemies of ourselves and mankind.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How do we handle let's say, not us, but as
Donald Trump and his team handle Ukraine Russia right now.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Listen to what they're saying. The Russians are what is
their objective? They said that we will not allow ourselves
to be surrounded by NATO. We want to have a
stability in this region. Why did they go way did
the Russians go into Syria with their troops? They did
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that before they went into Ukraine. We went in there
because the British then reinforced by the United States. We're
attacking one country after another. Remember the Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,
and other countries. Bombing them, overthrowing and murdering the leaders.
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We would call them terrible dictators. The purpose of that
it was marching close to the Russian border, and the
Russian said, well, obviously the next step there is to
overthrow the government of Russia. Now, you know, we used
to have people talking about doing that when they had communism.
What's the excuse for it? Now? Think about what the
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real reason for this is. Why should we have a
war with Russia? Are they really our enemy? No? Who
says that they are our enemy? Who says that any
of these countries should be our enemy. You can be
a rival in certain ways with countries, but you can
say that we will do well in this rivalry by
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building up our skills in our power. That's the way
you handle these things.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right, exactly well. And the thing is is that, I mean,
we have violated so many agreement I say we the
United States and our policies. I mean, we had an
agreement with Ukraine they had to surrender their nuclear weapons
and we're told that, you know, by Bill Clinton, that
we would protect them with a promise, and look what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Why don't we just say now that we want to
guarantee the security of both Russia and Ukraine and forbid
any attack from either side, and then do the same
thing between Israel and the neighbors. You have to shut
this thing down in Israel exactly. Look the wars between
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Israel and the neighbors. What is that really about? If
an American, I'm going to say something that's pretty tough here,
if an American were a British person says that bib
nat in Yahoo or some Israeli settler who is carrying
out massacres, if he's if an American says that that
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is is a representative of the Jewish faith. To me,
that is anti Semitism right there, because the Jewish people
brought help to bring Monotheism to our world. And in
Monotheism all men are of what brothers. And so therefore,
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if you if you defy God by saying that that
that really didn't happen, there is no God of that sort,
that is not You're you're slandering the Jews. And that's
what bib Nan Yahoo is doing. And we and the
power behind Israel doing the wrong thing? Is is the
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Anglo Americans and I don't mean America, because is this
an America's interest. No, is it in anybody's interest in
that region. No, who's benefiting from it? Only those who
seek to take down civilization. There's no endpoint. You go
to war with Iran, what's the endpoint of that war?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
How can you? How can you calm Iran down when
you know they're shouting, you know, death to Israel, death,
death to America.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay, let's let's look back at the American Indians when
they said the death to the white Man. What was
going on? We were being people in our country. We
were going into settled Indian villages. I'm talking about agricultural
villages and carrying out a massacre and stealing the land.
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Did we really need that land to settle the West. No,
there's vast spaces that we never occupied. R So we
broke one treaty after another with the Indians. Was it
necessary for us to build up our power and get
a great population that overwhelmed the Indians. Yes, that's the
way we were going to build up the power to
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stand up in the world. But we we should have
given the Indians when we took away their way of
life by having this superior technology. We should have given
them the helping hand to say here's how you could
join us and thrive in our in our technological civilization.
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We still owe it to them to do that their communities.
So you don't, you don't. A wise person does not
react when somebody is shouting something in hostility or despair.
A wise person goes back to what we did at
a better time, when we had a better philosophy, when
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we were we were encouraging Iran to take over their
own resources, when we were encouraging Mexico to do the same,
takeover their oil away from foreign oil companies. Is that communistic? No,
it's nationalism. You know what we criticized the Communists for
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under the Soviets was by going into like East Germany
and taking taking their their machines and taking them back
to Russia. That's an empire. That's not that's not you know,
some ideal of leftism. It's just it's just stealing. So
what when a country, every country has the right and
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really the duty to its own citizens to advance. If
we stand up for that right in Iran and don't say, well,
we're going to bomb you until you give up so
and so give up having nuclear science, we were the
ones who started nuclear science in Iran Eisenhower's piece Atoms
for Peace program, Kennedy organized the whole International Atomic Energy
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Agency to carry out joint projects of nuclear power, plants
for desalinating water, among other things. Right, and to also
have the kind of agreements to say we don't want
them to get the nuclear bombs. The public has been
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brainwashed against nuclear power, thinking that if you have nuclear
power in nuclear science, it automatically means a nuclear.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Bomb and right, nuclear war.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
They say the same thing against oil and coal, that
you can't have intensive energy of any kind without it
destroying the world. Now it's global warming, it's or something else, right,
But this is an attack against industrial civilization. We have
the same interests as the as the nation of Iran.
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Don't talk about them. Don't talk about some dictator in
some country. You have to concentrate on the needs and
the underlying interests of that nation as a nation. That
way you can deal with all the countries. Can you
name a country that has a true republic and democracy?
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What country has that now in the.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
World, Well, we're the closest thing to it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, we might be if we weren't under globalist rule,
if we weren't having them. Who runs our intelligence agency,
who runs the media, it's all an international clique. Who
runs the academia, who runs our education? Right, who's putting
us in these wars? That's not legal, that's not American law,
that's not a constitution. What about the European countries. They're
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under the dictatorship of the European Union and people hate it.
There are millions of people in Europe, tens of millions
in Americans, and proud people all over the world who
are against these wars and are restive against the rule
of the globalists and believe in national sovereignty. That's what
we have to address. You have to have the courage
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to have a decisive break with globalism.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And going back to what you were saying earlier, Inton,
and you're right, is that the vision, the clear vision
of this potential concept, this idea, And I just say,
you know, we realized it early on. We did with
the American dream and the idea that we first started with,
but then we lost our way.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Idea of improvement, improvement and the idea you know, if
the population, we would we should have an educational system
that moves people and inspires people to cheer for man's
increased control over nature to increase man's power. Right now,
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they're being taught the opposite, that we should take down
all the dams, that we should blow up the fact factories,
that we should go to war with any country that
tries to increase its power to to to produce and
to have to take a high station in the world.
That's wrong, that's a completely wrong idea. That's imperialism. And
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we the the clear record of our country's history is
that when we defied the empire and built up our
manufacturing and our great power to produce in many ways
and with science, that that this was done by people
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of goodwill who were nationalists, and by nationalists, I don't
mean that they were they were wanted to destroy some
other country. Hitler was not a nationalist. He's an imperialist,
right right, So you can say you can say that
you're you're a nationalist only if you're following in the
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tradition of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Wanted the
other countries to thrive and become powerful by our side
so that we could all resist the arrogance of the
British Empire.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
How could George Washington not see, you know, from this
meager military assemblage of farmers in that what we were
able to accomplish and going forward and not how could
he not see how that would transfer to other nations
if they themselves were blessed with the opportunity to take
self responsibility.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
That's the idea. That's the city on the hill. It's
not imposing our way of life on somebody. That's what
the Pilgrims were talking about. And there were good people
in Virginia too, Spotswood, the Governor Spotswood, who had the
Knights of the Golden Horseshoe, and that was a group
of men that wanted to have Western settlement and good
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relations with the Indian. Yes, the British tried to put
the races against each other at all times, and they
try to put nations and religions against each other now
and race nonsense.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Now you mention these bruises that we've had along our
way in our history that need to be reconciled, whether
it's with the Indians or you know, slavery and and
that sort of thing where we stepped out of those
holy rights and uh and morality that were God given
that when we followed God's law. We we did the
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right thing. We did right by each other. I mean,
we had agreements, as you said, with the Indians, we
broke our promises. With Black Americans, we did. And I'm
not saying we should live forever, you know, with that,
but we need to reconcile it and move forward. And
I think a lot of ways we have, but there's
still some people that want to continue to scratch that
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itch and you know, create this adversarial perception right.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
And really learn something that's important for us now by
looking at what was called reconstruction the period after the
Civil War, and they were there were the ones who
wanted to really make sure that the freed black people
got their rights. Were the nationalists based in Philadelphia, and
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what they wanted to do was to change the South
in the interest of the Southern people, black and white,
by building industry and using the different kinds of resources
in the South, natural resources like coal, an, iron, and
water power. And also also to use the people of
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the South and make them literate, make them educated, and
to if you change the South and make it a
modern industrial area with family farms, you sweep away the
old plantation exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And it was already done in the North Anton, right,
I mean you had all this going on. That's wrung
and that's and that's really why the North was able
to win.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But but what happened is that these Northeastern so called
liberal financiers, who some of them had been abolitionists before
the war, but now these are the bankers in Boston
and New York. These are the financiers connected to the British.
They did not want to transform the South in this way.
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What they wanted to is to continue to have cheap
labor in the South. So you need to continue the
plantation economy and have the blacks be the sharecroppers or
just you know, jail prisoners and work as virtual slaves.
Is that in the interest of the white people of
the South. No, it stayed backward, exactly the interest of everybody.
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We in America, just like in UH, the the the
are monotheistic religion. Uh. In America, we believe in the
harmony of interests between different people from different walks of
life and between different countries. Right that all people will
rise if you if you if you're building up the
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power to produce and have have good civilization. Exactly what
does the enemy say. The enemy says that if you
allow people who are on the bottom of the world,
or the undeveloped, or the underclass people in the in
the in the bottom rungs of society, if you allow
them to rise and get more powerful and more educated,
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they will want to kill you. That's what the enemy
says that, so therefore you have to keep them down.
But who says that? Also the the terroristic leftists, right right,
that's the that's their idea of class struggle. Where does
that come from? It comes from the empires who hire
stooges to spout some theory about the necessity of people
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killing each other because they have clashing interests. They don't
have clashing interests, right, If somebody acts like a tyrant
in a company, like a coal mine owner, if he
acts like a tyrant and tries to smash his workforce,
then yes, they have competing interests between the boss and
the workers. But if you're building a modern, you know,
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kind of industry with really advanced research going on and
advancing wages, don't don't the workers in that industry have
a common interest with the people building the industry. Of
course they.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Do, absolutely, you know, and to hear the story here,
I flash back to Egypt and what happened. What happened
with the Jews, right, I mean here they are, they're
they're becoming prolific, they're they're a force unto themselves. And
the Pharaoh couldn't handle it. He got threatened by he
didn't know how to harness and maximize that human potential.
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And what he did he reduced them to slavery and
whatted to do it ended up killing his own you know,
his own rule.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, I think you know, if you go back in
Egyptian history, you had two factions there too. You had
the There was a people that are supposed to have
been sun worshipers, but they're really worshiping one god similar
to our monotheism. And they were very scientific people. They
did astronomy. They they there's even sections of the pyramid
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inside the Great Pyramid which are uh uh uh you
know tunnels for uh serving the interest of doing astronomy
in different ways. So that you had a scientific and monotheistic.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Uh uh element and leadership element in Egypt, and you
also had people who were bent on war and revenge
and and destroying other cultures.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And so in every part of the world. Humanity has
always had this kind of a contest between people that
want to build up our our uh looking up and
trying to find out how, what what how God made
this universe? What's it all about? Well, how can we
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use it for our betterment? That's one side, versus people
who say I am going to to use the weaknesses
of other people get them to work for me, to
put the human race under my power or under the
power of my family or my clique. Those are the
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two different outlooks that I've always been competing. But especially
within the United States. You know, people in foreign countries
don't understand this about the United States, and Americans have
lost this this point, this point of reference, especially since
the murders of the nineteen sixties, where the globalists have
tried to wipe out our history because it's a threat
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to them. Is actually doing good in the world and
fighting them that this imperial faction is murder is doomed
for their control over mankind.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well, they've got to be going crazy. I mean, here
we are, we're starting our two hundred and fiftieth year
anniversary recounting history. Oh, this has got to just drive
them nuts.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
So i'd like to have, you know, I'd like to
really have an interaction with this new history of the
country that I've been working on. I'd like to have
an interaction with homeschoolers, in particular, with people that are
interested in looking at the precise way that America rose
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and see that as something that we can repeat under
new circumstances and rise again. Right, we have to rebuild
the country. It's not just a matter of you know,
building a factory. You really have to rebuild this country. Right.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
The thing is good about what you're saying, though, Anton,
is that we did it before.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
It's not like we're starting like they did. I mean,
they started with a clean sheet of paper and you know,
from zero, and they were able to build it. So
if we if we look back in history what they
were able to do, and as you mentioned, it first
starts with the vision itself and understanding of what we're
trying to do here and holding to that value, which
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I think is pretty well stated, whether it's in our
Declaration of Independence in our Constitution. Maybe there's some minor
tweaks in the Constitution, but by and large those are
pretty those are two pretty good documents yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
They they established the idea that that the law of
a country, uh, and the the the nature of the
country is based on this what what we called natural
natural law, that all men are created equal, that the
rights that we have are really rights that belong to
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all people God gave, and that we that we will
uh well, we will be able to use self government
uh under this kind of a law to to to
increase our status and our stature and our knowledge and
our powers.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And so uh you know, the real the real fear
that people have and and a lot of people are
you know, get depressed and demoralized and and stop being activists.
The real fear they have is don't they would say,
don't the great uh you know, secret powers, the bankers,
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the the the aristocrats of of the old world, and
and the the intelligence agencies, the cults that they have
put together, the secret societies. Don't these this faction have
virtual superpowers to keep control over our existence. And what
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I have to constantly refer people to is that the
United States has several times reversed that kind of power
over our society and by the same faction. Maybe slight
differences at different times, but it is the same British
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alliance with their stooges and their partners within the United States.
We have defeated them, Yes, not permanently, but enough several times.
We've done this in order to make great advances. And
you know, one of the biggest times is right after
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the Civil War, that's in volume two of Who We Are.
And we did our huge manufacturing development exactly, built railroads,
and we perfected many industries, and we started Edison, started
the electrical industry and had to fight Wall Street to
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build the first power plants all over the country, and
had partners in other countries who had to fight for
this as well, against that imperial power that said no
mankind should not have electricity. People will become too ambitious.
They will want to they will want to act as
if they were only a little lower than the angels.
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That's not good. They should think of themselves as dirt.
They should think of themselves as groveling peasants. Then we
can control them exactly. Do not be ambitious. That's the
way that this enemy wants us to think. They want
people to be depressed and demoralized. They want people to
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be drug addicted.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So there it's all about again it's all that same,
that same reframe power and control. We've got about a
minute left here. I'm gonna let you some I mean,
you've done such a great job on this anson Chak
and I I just so appreciate you coming on, and
I'm gonna let you summarize and UH and bring us
home here on this deal go ahead.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
We have a choice now, which is whether we will
allow uh, people who hate the United States and what
it stands for, to put us in war. Right now,
they're talking about three different fronts and it's the same war.
Go to the intelligence age, you can go to the
corrupted areas of the military. Go to the media that's
(47:40):
trumpeting this stuff. Russia, Iran, and China. They're not They're
they're they're not the same. Uh, it's not. They don't
have some axis that we have to defeat. What we
have to what we have to see is that the
war itself is our problem. That the war itself is
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designed by these people, the same way they have done
with all the other wars that we've done since, especially
since the murder of Kennedy. Is designed to destroy our civilization,
to destroy America's past and America's power and influence in
the world. It's designed to wreck civilization and we cannot
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permit it. People who propose these wars are, in my view,
the worst traders to our country. That's the problem that
we're exactly well.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They want us to be less than so that they
can be more than. That's the dynamic that's going on again.
Anton Chak and the historian and author of Who We
Are Volumes one and two books are available. And I'll
tell you this is something that you really want to
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have with you. You will refer to it constantly. You'll keep
it by your bedside, I'm sure, and refer to it.
It is so well done. I just am so grateful
for you, Anton, for coming on the show. I'm grateful
for your you know, for your education and your knowledge,
your your commitment to helping this next generation avoid the
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mistakes that we fell and got trapped in. And there
is a way out there. There is There is hope
for us, isn't there.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
I believe there is if you study the history that
that we've made such beautiful advancements when we stuck to
our mission right. The mission is improvement embodied in the life.
I think of Benjamin Franklin, the happiest man on the
planet because he was involved with improving everything, and he
had friends who were scientists and admirers of the Americans,
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the colonists who wanted to be free of the British.
He had friends all over the world just by doing
the right thing and by exciting investigations of electricity and
different aspects of nature.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
That's who we are exactly. Well, Anton, we got to
leave it there. Thank you so much for being with us.
Take care, God speed, my friend. Thank you, our gratitude
to Anton Shakin as I mentioned, the historian and author
of Who We Are America's Fight for Universal Progress From
Franklin to Kennedy Volume two, and then Who we Are
America's Fight for Universal Progress From Franklin to Kennedy Volume
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one that takes you from seventeen fifties to the eighteen fifties.
Well say, a great read and a great refresher for
a time such as this. Thank you for sharing a
part of your day with us. I pray that this
has been beneficial to you, that it is causing you
and motivating you to do a deeper dive. You know,
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as we say, you must own your own knowledge and
hopefully We're encouraging you to do that because it is
important that we do not surrender our intellect and be
controlled by those whose interests are not consistent with our
Judeo Christian principles. God bless you. Thank you for being
with us. May God bless you and keep you. May
make His face shine upon you. May he'd be gracious
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello and welcome. I'm Bill Martinez. Good to have you
with us here. I'm Bill Martinez Live. We're going to
talk American law versus globalist barbarism, and you know it's
going to be a bit of an opportunity here to
again review the meaning of words and where we are
today and how the language has influenced our perspective and
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really distorted so much of what's going on in the
body politic today. And Antonin Schenkin, I tell you he's
been such a breath of fresh air for me, having
been on our daily show on several occasions, and I
had to have him on this show to where we
could have a little bit more time to go into detail.
Anton is a historian and author of two books, actually
(01:24):
more books than that, but two in particular that we're
going to focus on, titled Who We Are America's Fight
for Universal Progress From Franklin to Kennedy Volumes one and two,
which takes us from the early years back in the
seventeen hundreds and then picks up from eighteen thirty to
eighteen ninety. It is America's Fight for Universal Progress from
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Franklin to Kennedy. That's volume one, the seventeen fifties, eighteen fifties,
and boy, I'll team. If you have any desire to
understand what's going on in our country today, you must
you must look at history, because we just didn't happen here.
I mean, this has all been a progressive evolution, I
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might say, on where we find ourselves today and so ununited.
When initially we got together and we seemed a distinct
majority of people were on board to move us in
the direction of unity. But right now the battle rages.
(02:31):
So Antonine Schaikin, I want to bring you on right now,
and ladies and gentlemen welcome. Anton Chakan, the historian and
author that I've been bragging about. And I tell you
it's such an honor and pleasure to have you on
the show here Anton, Thank.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You so much. Bill, Yeah, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well. And you have you know, quite the history.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Not only are you an author, you know your father.
You come from a legacy, you know, considering you know
your father and New York attorney who fought in courts
to break Wall Street and London London sponsorship of Adolf
Hitler's dictatorship in Germany. Yes, you heard that right. Many
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of the lawsuits were against international Nazi interests managed by
Prescott Bush, the father and grandfather of the two Bush presidents.
Of course, a book that you wrote about George Bush Senior,
the Unauthorized Biography, which was probably the only serious Bush
Senior book, which helped defeat Bush's nineteen ninety two re
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election attempt, right it did.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's too bad what happened with the next president turn
out to be Bill Clinton. But the problem we're facing
with the Bush family and with the bank they worked for,
the Harriman Bank and Morgan and all those New York
and their affiliated London mother banks, is that they represent
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a faction that was opposed to the American Revolution. These
are Americans or people in London during the time of
our revolution. And these are Americans who stayed here even
though they were opposed to the country, and they were
in Boston, or they were in South Carolina places like that.
These are the Tories, and this faction are the imperial faction.
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They were the slave owners and others, and they are
the ones that have always pushed for foreign wars which
would be opposed to the interest of the country, like
the invasion of Mexico, for example, or the invasion of
the Philippines. They were not on the side of the Union.
And these are the wars. But let's look at the
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real heart of this issue, and that is the ability
of the United States to take its place in the
world as a great eight manufacturing power, with science and
high skills for its population, and with a whole large
population that was all on board, as you said, behind
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national purposes. You need strong borders for that, But that's
not the real issue. Is the kind of a nation
that you're building that's capable of having tremendous manufacturing power
and science power. Later on the space programs like that.
The other faction the imperial faction, the British Empire have
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always opposed this kind of civilization.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And now that the rest that that the world is
moving fast towards every country either being an advanced country
or having the capability of becoming an advanced and developed country.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
These horrifying characters in the in the in the globalist
established where the enemies of our country, they are moving
for wars and other measures of chaos that will, in
their interest, in their hope, will destroy the present civilization
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as we know it. They don't. They do not agree
with advanced industrial civilization. They want to go back to
a chaotic and weakened state for mankind and a smaller population.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, it's kind of a different form of slavery, is
it not. I mean, it's kind of one size fits
all type of governance.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, that's what they want, but they do not so
on our side. The people that developed our country, as
I've shown in these in the histories, the New History
of the Country that i'm the first two volumes, third
volume out, well, I'm going to be working on now
twentieth century. The people who developed our country and it's
power were nationalists, and they were also looking for universal
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progress that means for all mankind. They helped other countries,
countries like Japan, Germany, Russia, They tried to help China,
they went for they even tried they tried to help
Mexico later on. They were in the twentieth century. We're helping,
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We're looking to help Iran and other countries like that.
And so the issue is, are our country and other aspiring,
upward rising countries as we rose, have to work together
against this imperial power, this globalism. And so this is
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the issue now before us. If we allow these globalists
now to put us back on the road to nuclear
war as we were going under Biden, you were headed
for nuclear war with Russia, but also for nuclear war
with Iran and nuclear war with China. All of those
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things were being pushed by the globalists running the government
when Biden was president, you know, and again when Trump
is president and he's not existing them like he should.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, well they thought and they you know, when Trump said,
you know that Joe Biden was taking us to World
War three, they thought that Trump was being hyperbolic. But
I don't think they realized, well, the masses didn't realize
how close we were.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's right. And he was his challenge to the globalist
establishment in his campaign, not by what he did, but
what he said and how he rallied people. His challenge
was on two counts. The first count was stop these wars.
Shut them down. Shut Down Israel's war against its neighbors.
(08:58):
That's insane. That's going to lead to World War three too.
Shut Down the attempt to have a nuclear war with China.
Where does that lead? That's crazy. The other thing that
Trump said was We're going to use tariffs to interfere
with trade in our favor to build up our manufacturing. Now,
(09:20):
you can't just do it with tariffs, but tariffs are
historically proven instrument for nationalists to build up manufacturing, along
with infrastructure sponsored by the federal government and so forth.
The problem with the way Trump was able to deal
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with these things when he became president is that he
never went right before the public and said, we need
a decisive break with the globalist system. Let me tell
you who the enemy is. Let me tell you about
the offshore banking system. Let me tell you who really
controls the drug cartels in Mexico. And it's not some
(10:02):
cheap gangster in Mexico. These international Banks.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Let me tell you are the deep state, Anton, because
we only hear we hear more about the deep state
than we hear about this globalist dynamic that you're presenting.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
The deep state usually refers to people within our government
in Justice Department or other agencies or intelligence agencies who
are who are not elected, and who carry out, you know,
aims which are opposed to our national interests, but including
assassinating our presidents.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But this is this is part of a larger a clique,
a transatlantic clique, especially with this so called special relationship
with England. How did we get into that by abandoning
our independence? Especially when Teddy Roosevelt became president, he was
not the hero that the party leadership make him out
(11:00):
to be. Teddy Roosevelt said, we need to have English
speaking peoples rule the world in an empire. Now, what
does that really mean. It means cancel the declaration of independence.
It means we don't need to go west and build
up family farms and and manufacturing in the Western States.
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All we need to do is build a big navy
and go beat up on some countries overseas, and we
can let the British Empire give us the the strategy
for the world, and what's that strategy constant war World
War one to begin with. Then you then you devise
(11:46):
other means of crushing Germany and Russia. First of all,
World War One gives you communism. Yay, that's a new enemy.
Isn't that wonderful? No, it's not wonderful. Then you then
you build up Hitler like these guys did on Wall
Street in London, and then that gives you another world war.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And that's busy wonderful.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No, it's not wonderful.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, And that's Bush building a Hitler too, right.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It was that that Bush family. So when our people
are globalists, not our people gave the hired Osama bin
Laden to fight communism in Afghanistan in nineteen seventy nine,
when our people under Reagan without it wasn't Reagan doing
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it was Bush and Ali North and people like that
in the Reagan administration when they gave arms to the
Mullus in Iran and got money from that to so
called fight communism in Central America. What was the result
of those of those adventures? Was it stability and American interests? No,
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it was calculated to result in chaos and anti American
sentiment throughout the world. That was the purpose of it.
So you want to if you want to solve these problems,
you have to say to yourself, do we really believe
in the values of the United States and Western civilization?
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First of all, monotheism, what does that mean? It means
first of all that God created all men, and so
therefore we are all of one blood. In the world,
human species is completely different from the animals. We're all
one blood. So therefore we have the same interests as
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our brothers in every other country. We should have it
the way that you the way that you are going
to be fooled as a patriot, where the way the
globalists will fool you into the trap of war is
by having you say I will be better off than
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some other country, in which we will try to keep
them down while we get resources or while we have power.
You know. The New York Times, in an article a
couple of days ago, refers to the American empire that's
being challenged by Iran, Russia and China. We're not an empire.
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If we are, we don't exist as a nation. We
are going to exist as a nation in the future.
If we build up our power, to invent, to discover,
to go into the deep space program, to do nuclear power,
to do great dams, to do modern steel mills with
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real high temperature processes. And this is our future along
with other countries in the world. There's no reason we
can't be friends with Iran, with China, with Russia, with Egypt,
with Brazil, all of these countries. We have to build
up our power and that is the secret. The secret
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here is that the globalists are the ones that took
down the advanced manufacturing capabilities, the advanced power in the US,
Britain and Germany right, and while they hollowed them out,
they set up this offshore criminal banking system and to
be parasites against US all and made rules that say
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that the US will only be able to have any
influence by making war on other countries instead of being
the problem solvers as we used to be.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And how do we decouple ourselves from that anton The.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
First step is that people have to say that they
want to survive. Right now we're headed towards nuclear war again,
and so we have to make a decisive break with globalism.
That means you have to understand what we need, What
do we need what kind of a working force do
we need in the United States? Think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
First, we've got to understand the enemy.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
We have done no, no, the enemy. The enemy is global,
as you can define the intelligence. Israel is part of
that whole thing with Britain and with corrupted elements in
our intelligence sector. But the first thing is to understand
what are our real needs. We need to have a
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massive increase in manufacturing. We need state of the art
infrastructure infrastructure, we need high speed, modern transportation. We're going
to have to build nuclear power plants across our country.
What kind of workforce do we need. They need to
be literate, they need to be optimistic, they need to
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be large and growing. That means we have to decide
that there was a terrible mistake made when we took
the advanced heavy industry down in the nineteen seven in
these and agies. That was a terrible thing to do
to our country.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Right and to our people and the deal. This is
when you go back, let's rewind to the very beginning
that you introduced this whole topic. Is that you know,
we broke away from America, broke away from the European idea,
and all of a sudden we had, we had all
these people that had this pent up energy, and I
(17:26):
think we got a little bit of a taste of
it here recently after Barack Obama. Barack Obama had really
put a lid on the productivity of America at large.
When Donald Trump came in, he unleashed it. He took
the lid off, and look what happened. Our productivity went
through the roof. Barack Obama was predicting, you couldn't do
You know, you're not going to do better than two
percent GDP. Trump said, hey, I think we could do
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four or five percent, and Obama laughed at him. He
just didn't believe it. But to your point, we've got
all this brilliance and potential within America, three hundred and
fifty million Americans. If we're unleashed, well, I'll tell you
we are a force to contend with and a force
not to contend with others in an adversarial manner. I
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agree with you, but in a way that will help
others and all in the name of God who created
this popcorn stand.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
To begin with, let me see if we can define
the problem between in the terms of the United States
and Mexico okay, all right. In the late nineteen seventies
early nineteen eighties, there was a president of Mexico, Jose
Lopez Portillo po Rtillo. He proposed that Mexico should build
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nuclear power plants and he was active on that. He
proposed that they should have scientific, modern manufacturing and scientific
agriculture with tractors, the whole thing industrialized, have a high
wage economy, use their oil. Along with Venezuela, which then
was not controlled by leftists, the two countries would help
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to develop the other countries of Latin America. And so
this is before we had a major drug culture in
the United States. So what happened The United States was
taken down after the murder of Kennedy, right, taken down
by these globalist strategy, and Mexico was prevented from industrializing
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the way that they wanted to and they should have.
The globalist strategy was enunciated by Henry Kissinger. He said,
flat out, what did he say, we do not want
a Japan south of the border? Why not would that
be bad for us to have a high wage modern
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country down there if they're industrialized and the people have
a tremendous stake in building a future because they're they're
they're getting a good living. They want to day in
their country. They don't need to swarm across the border
in desperation to try to find a better life. In
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that case, who is going to be a cow cowing
and bowing down to the drug cartels. We are not.
If we could be rebuilt in the right way, then
our people would not be drug addicted as they became
after we lost our industrial base. Both countries are going
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to sink or swim together on the basis of modern
high wage industry. So we there was a terrible deal
that was proposed by the Rhino Republicans and was put
in put through by Bill Clinton called NAFTA. What was
that free trade, cheap labor. We're going to get pop
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labor out of Mexico, take down the border, and make
sure that nobody makes a good living. Who does that benefit.
I'll tell you who it actually benefited. It benefited the
largest banks in the United States and Britain. These are
basically British banks like the HSBC bank that control the
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drug cartails that laundered their money. That's who benefited. And
they also laundered money for the terrorists in the Middle East,
Osama bin Laden al Qaeda. Why what is their objective?
As I said to begin this, they are looking to
take down the kind of industrial civilization that has been
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building up since about the seventeen eighties, at the time
of the American Revolution, when we had the steam engine
and so forth. That helped the British Empire for a while,
but they saw that they could not really prevent the
rest of the world from becoming powerful modern countries, and
they don't want that, so they said, we would rather
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have the end of modern civilization, and that's what they're
aiming at instead, which includes drug addiction. Look at the
movie that they put out, the dystopia. All you see
in these movies in the future, What is it going
to be in the future? People living after a nuclear
war some other terrible apocalypse. Why why do it have
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to be like that? That's what our children are being
taught that you have no possibility of having a modern
future where all the nations are cooperating to do exciting projects,
where you make money and you do good business and
have high skills. That's a much better world, a much
more stable world. The anime globalists do not want stability
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and that should be our aim. The only way you
get stability is by having progress. Exactly, you have to stay.
We're determined that we will survive, and the only way
to survive is to have a decisive break with these globalists.
First of all, by saying, anybody that's proposed going back
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to war with Russia and having Israel to keep up
its wars against Iran and US going to war with China.
Anybody who proposes that is a snake, who is posing
as some sort of a conservative. These are the globalist
enemies of ourselves and mankind.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How do we handle let's say, not us, but as
Donald Trump and his team handle Ukraine Russia right now.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Listen to what they're saying. The Russians are what is
their objective? They said that we will not allow ourselves
to be surrounded by NATO. We want to have a
stability in this region. Why did they go way did
the Russians go into Syria with their troops? They did
(23:49):
that before they went into Ukraine. We went in there
because the British then reinforced by the United States. We're
attacking one country after another. Remember the Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,
and other countries. Bombing them, overthrowing and murdering the leaders.
(24:15):
We would call them terrible dictators. The purpose of that
it was marching close to the Russian border, and the
Russian said, well, obviously the next step there is to
overthrow the government of Russia. Now, you know, we used
to have people talking about doing that when they had communism.
What's the excuse for it? Now? Think about what the
(24:37):
real reason for this is. Why should we have a
war with Russia? Are they really our enemy? No? Who
says that they are our enemy? Who says that any
of these countries should be our enemy. You can be
a rival in certain ways with countries, but you can
say that we will do well in this rivalry by
(24:58):
building up our skills in our power. That's the way
you handle these things.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right, exactly well. And the thing is is that, I mean,
we have violated so many agreement I say we the
United States and our policies. I mean, we had an
agreement with Ukraine they had to surrender their nuclear weapons
and we're told that, you know, by Bill Clinton, that
we would protect them with a promise, and look what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Why don't we just say now that we want to
guarantee the security of both Russia and Ukraine and forbid
any attack from either side, and then do the same
thing between Israel and the neighbors. You have to shut
this thing down in Israel exactly. Look the wars between
(25:49):
Israel and the neighbors. What is that really about? If
an American, I'm going to say something that's pretty tough here,
if an American were a British person says that bib
nat in Yahoo or some Israeli settler who is carrying
out massacres, if he's if an American says that that
(26:13):
is is a representative of the Jewish faith. To me,
that is anti Semitism right there, because the Jewish people
brought help to bring Monotheism to our world. And in
Monotheism all men are of what brothers. And so therefore,
(26:35):
if you if you defy God by saying that that
that really didn't happen, there is no God of that sort,
that is not You're you're slandering the Jews. And that's
what bib Nan Yahoo is doing. And we and the
power behind Israel doing the wrong thing? Is is the
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Anglo Americans and I don't mean America, because is this
an America's interest. No, is it in anybody's interest in
that region. No, who's benefiting from it? Only those who
seek to take down civilization. There's no endpoint. You go
to war with Iran, what's the endpoint of that war?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
How can you? How can you calm Iran down when
you know they're shouting, you know, death to Israel, death,
death to America.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay, let's let's look back at the American Indians when
they said the death to the white Man. What was
going on? We were being people in our country. We
were going into settled Indian villages. I'm talking about agricultural
villages and carrying out a massacre and stealing the land.
(27:52):
Did we really need that land to settle the West. No,
there's vast spaces that we never occupied. R So we
broke one treaty after another with the Indians. Was it
necessary for us to build up our power and get
a great population that overwhelmed the Indians. Yes, that's the
way we were going to build up the power to
(28:14):
stand up in the world. But we we should have
given the Indians when we took away their way of
life by having this superior technology. We should have given
them the helping hand to say here's how you could
join us and thrive in our in our technological civilization.
(28:36):
We still owe it to them to do that their communities.
So you don't, you don't. A wise person does not
react when somebody is shouting something in hostility or despair.
A wise person goes back to what we did at
a better time, when we had a better philosophy, when
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we were we were encouraging Iran to take over their
own resources, when we were encouraging Mexico to do the same,
takeover their oil away from foreign oil companies. Is that communistic? No,
it's nationalism. You know what we criticized the Communists for
(29:19):
under the Soviets was by going into like East Germany
and taking taking their their machines and taking them back
to Russia. That's an empire. That's not that's not you know,
some ideal of leftism. It's just it's just stealing. So
what when a country, every country has the right and
(29:40):
really the duty to its own citizens to advance. If
we stand up for that right in Iran and don't say, well,
we're going to bomb you until you give up so
and so give up having nuclear science, we were the
ones who started nuclear science in Iran Eisenhower's piece Atoms
for Peace program, Kennedy organized the whole International Atomic Energy
(30:05):
Agency to carry out joint projects of nuclear power, plants
for desalinating water, among other things. Right, and to also
have the kind of agreements to say we don't want
them to get the nuclear bombs. The public has been
(30:25):
brainwashed against nuclear power, thinking that if you have nuclear
power in nuclear science, it automatically means a nuclear.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Bomb and right, nuclear war.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
They say the same thing against oil and coal, that
you can't have intensive energy of any kind without it
destroying the world. Now it's global warming, it's or something else, right,
But this is an attack against industrial civilization. We have
the same interests as the as the nation of Iran.
(30:59):
Don't talk about them. Don't talk about some dictator in
some country. You have to concentrate on the needs and
the underlying interests of that nation as a nation. That
way you can deal with all the countries. Can you
name a country that has a true republic and democracy?
(31:20):
What country has that now in the.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
World, Well, we're the closest thing to it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, we might be if we weren't under globalist rule,
if we weren't having them. Who runs our intelligence agency,
who runs the media, it's all an international clique. Who
runs the academia, who runs our education? Right, who's putting
us in these wars? That's not legal, that's not American law,
that's not a constitution. What about the European countries. They're
(31:47):
under the dictatorship of the European Union and people hate it.
There are millions of people in Europe, tens of millions
in Americans, and proud people all over the world who
are against these wars and are restive against the rule
of the globalists and believe in national sovereignty. That's what
we have to address. You have to have the courage
(32:10):
to have a decisive break with globalism.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And going back to what you were saying earlier, Inton,
and you're right, is that the vision, the clear vision
of this potential concept, this idea, And I just say,
you know, we realized it early on. We did with
the American dream and the idea that we first started with,
but then we lost our way.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Idea of improvement, improvement and the idea you know, if
the population, we would we should have an educational system
that moves people and inspires people to cheer for man's
increased control over nature to increase man's power. Right now,
(32:54):
they're being taught the opposite, that we should take down
all the dams, that we should blow up the fact factories,
that we should go to war with any country that
tries to increase its power to to to produce and
to have to take a high station in the world.
That's wrong, that's a completely wrong idea. That's imperialism. And
(33:17):
we the the clear record of our country's history is
that when we defied the empire and built up our
manufacturing and our great power to produce in many ways
and with science, that that this was done by people
(33:38):
of goodwill who were nationalists, and by nationalists, I don't
mean that they were they were wanted to destroy some
other country. Hitler was not a nationalist. He's an imperialist,
right right, So you can say you can say that
you're you're a nationalist only if you're following in the
(33:59):
tradition of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Wanted the
other countries to thrive and become powerful by our side
so that we could all resist the arrogance of the
British Empire.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
How could George Washington not see, you know, from this
meager military assemblage of farmers in that what we were
able to accomplish and going forward and not how could
he not see how that would transfer to other nations
if they themselves were blessed with the opportunity to take
self responsibility.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
That's the idea. That's the city on the hill. It's
not imposing our way of life on somebody. That's what
the Pilgrims were talking about. And there were good people
in Virginia too, Spotswood, the Governor Spotswood, who had the
Knights of the Golden Horseshoe, and that was a group
of men that wanted to have Western settlement and good
(34:58):
relations with the Indian. Yes, the British tried to put
the races against each other at all times, and they
try to put nations and religions against each other now
and race nonsense.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Now you mention these bruises that we've had along our
way in our history that need to be reconciled, whether
it's with the Indians or you know, slavery and and
that sort of thing where we stepped out of those
holy rights and uh and morality that were God given
that when we followed God's law. We we did the
(35:33):
right thing. We did right by each other. I mean,
we had agreements, as you said, with the Indians, we
broke our promises. With Black Americans, we did. And I'm
not saying we should live forever, you know, with that,
but we need to reconcile it and move forward. And
I think a lot of ways we have, but there's
still some people that want to continue to scratch that
(35:55):
itch and you know, create this adversarial perception right.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
And really learn something that's important for us now by
looking at what was called reconstruction the period after the
Civil War, and they were there were the ones who
wanted to really make sure that the freed black people
got their rights. Were the nationalists based in Philadelphia, and
(36:20):
what they wanted to do was to change the South
in the interest of the Southern people, black and white,
by building industry and using the different kinds of resources
in the South, natural resources like coal, an, iron, and
water power. And also also to use the people of
(36:45):
the South and make them literate, make them educated, and
to if you change the South and make it a
modern industrial area with family farms, you sweep away the
old plantation exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And it was already done in the North Anton, right,
I mean you had all this going on. That's wrung
and that's and that's really why the North was able
to win.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But but what happened is that these Northeastern so called
liberal financiers, who some of them had been abolitionists before
the war, but now these are the bankers in Boston
and New York. These are the financiers connected to the British.
They did not want to transform the South in this way.
(37:33):
What they wanted to is to continue to have cheap
labor in the South. So you need to continue the
plantation economy and have the blacks be the sharecroppers or
just you know, jail prisoners and work as virtual slaves.
Is that in the interest of the white people of
the South. No, it stayed backward, exactly the interest of everybody.
(37:57):
We in America, just like in UH, the the the
are monotheistic religion. Uh. In America, we believe in the
harmony of interests between different people from different walks of
life and between different countries. Right that all people will
rise if you if you if you're building up the
(38:20):
power to produce and have have good civilization. Exactly what
does the enemy say. The enemy says that if you
allow people who are on the bottom of the world,
or the undeveloped, or the underclass people in the in
the in the bottom rungs of society, if you allow
them to rise and get more powerful and more educated,
(38:44):
they will want to kill you. That's what the enemy
says that, so therefore you have to keep them down.
But who says that? Also the the terroristic leftists, right right,
that's the that's their idea of class struggle. Where does
that come from? It comes from the empires who hire
stooges to spout some theory about the necessity of people
(39:05):
killing each other because they have clashing interests. They don't
have clashing interests, right, If somebody acts like a tyrant
in a company, like a coal mine owner, if he
acts like a tyrant and tries to smash his workforce,
then yes, they have competing interests between the boss and
the workers. But if you're building a modern, you know,
(39:27):
kind of industry with really advanced research going on and
advancing wages, don't don't the workers in that industry have
a common interest with the people building the industry. Of
course they.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Do, absolutely, you know, and to hear the story here,
I flash back to Egypt and what happened. What happened
with the Jews, right, I mean here they are, they're
they're becoming prolific, they're they're a force unto themselves. And
the Pharaoh couldn't handle it. He got threatened by he
didn't know how to harness and maximize that human potential.
(40:04):
And what he did he reduced them to slavery and
whatted to do it ended up killing his own you know,
his own rule.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, I think you know, if you go back in
Egyptian history, you had two factions there too. You had
the There was a people that are supposed to have
been sun worshipers, but they're really worshiping one god similar
to our monotheism. And they were very scientific people. They
did astronomy. They they there's even sections of the pyramid
(40:35):
inside the Great Pyramid which are uh uh uh you
know tunnels for uh serving the interest of doing astronomy
in different ways. So that you had a scientific and monotheistic.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Uh uh element and leadership element in Egypt, and you
also had people who were bent on war and revenge
and and destroying other cultures.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And so in every part of the world. Humanity has
always had this kind of a contest between people that
want to build up our our uh looking up and
trying to find out how, what what how God made
this universe? What's it all about? Well, how can we
(41:22):
use it for our betterment? That's one side, versus people
who say I am going to to use the weaknesses
of other people get them to work for me, to
put the human race under my power or under the
power of my family or my clique. Those are the
(41:44):
two different outlooks that I've always been competing. But especially
within the United States. You know, people in foreign countries
don't understand this about the United States, and Americans have
lost this this point, this point of reference, especially since
the murders of the nineteen sixties, where the globalists have
tried to wipe out our history because it's a threat
(42:06):
to them. Is actually doing good in the world and
fighting them that this imperial faction is murder is doomed
for their control over mankind.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well, they've got to be going crazy. I mean, here
we are, we're starting our two hundred and fiftieth year
anniversary recounting history. Oh, this has got to just drive
them nuts.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
So i'd like to have, you know, I'd like to
really have an interaction with this new history of the
country that I've been working on. I'd like to have
an interaction with homeschoolers, in particular, with people that are
interested in looking at the precise way that America rose
(42:51):
and see that as something that we can repeat under
new circumstances and rise again. Right, we have to rebuild
the country. It's not just a matter of you know,
building a factory. You really have to rebuild this country. Right.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
The thing is good about what you're saying, though, Anton,
is that we did it before.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
It's not like we're starting like they did. I mean,
they started with a clean sheet of paper and you know,
from zero, and they were able to build it. So
if we if we look back in history what they
were able to do, and as you mentioned, it first
starts with the vision itself and understanding of what we're
trying to do here and holding to that value, which
(43:35):
I think is pretty well stated, whether it's in our
Declaration of Independence in our Constitution. Maybe there's some minor
tweaks in the Constitution, but by and large those are
pretty those are two pretty good documents yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
They they established the idea that that the law of
a country, uh, and the the the nature of the
country is based on this what what we called natural
natural law, that all men are created equal, that the
rights that we have are really rights that belong to
(44:10):
all people God gave, and that we that we will
uh well, we will be able to use self government
uh under this kind of a law to to to
increase our status and our stature and our knowledge and
our powers.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And so uh you know, the real the real fear
that people have and and a lot of people are
you know, get depressed and demoralized and and stop being activists.
The real fear they have is don't they would say,
don't the great uh you know, secret powers, the bankers,
(44:52):
the the the aristocrats of of the old world, and
and the the intelligence agencies, the cults that they have
put together, the secret societies. Don't these this faction have
virtual superpowers to keep control over our existence. And what
(45:14):
I have to constantly refer people to is that the
United States has several times reversed that kind of power
over our society and by the same faction. Maybe slight
differences at different times, but it is the same British
(45:35):
alliance with their stooges and their partners within the United States.
We have defeated them, Yes, not permanently, but enough several times.
We've done this in order to make great advances. And
you know, one of the biggest times is right after
(45:56):
the Civil War, that's in volume two of Who We Are.
And we did our huge manufacturing development exactly, built railroads,
and we perfected many industries, and we started Edison, started
the electrical industry and had to fight Wall Street to
(46:18):
build the first power plants all over the country, and
had partners in other countries who had to fight for
this as well, against that imperial power that said no
mankind should not have electricity. People will become too ambitious.
They will want to they will want to act as
if they were only a little lower than the angels.
(46:39):
That's not good. They should think of themselves as dirt.
They should think of themselves as groveling peasants. Then we
can control them exactly. Do not be ambitious. That's the
way that this enemy wants us to think. They want
people to be depressed and demoralized. They want people to
(46:59):
be drug addicted.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So there it's all about again it's all that same,
that same reframe power and control. We've got about a
minute left here. I'm gonna let you some I mean,
you've done such a great job on this anson Chak
and I I just so appreciate you coming on, and
I'm gonna let you summarize and UH and bring us
home here on this deal go ahead.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
We have a choice now, which is whether we will
allow uh, people who hate the United States and what
it stands for, to put us in war. Right now,
they're talking about three different fronts and it's the same war.
Go to the intelligence age, you can go to the
corrupted areas of the military. Go to the media that's
(47:40):
trumpeting this stuff. Russia, Iran, and China. They're not They're
they're they're not the same. Uh, it's not. They don't
have some axis that we have to defeat. What we
have to what we have to see is that the
war itself is our problem. That the war itself is
(48:02):
designed by these people, the same way they have done
with all the other wars that we've done since, especially
since the murder of Kennedy. Is designed to destroy our civilization,
to destroy America's past and America's power and influence in
the world. It's designed to wreck civilization and we cannot
(48:26):
permit it. People who propose these wars are, in my view,
the worst traders to our country. That's the problem that
we're exactly well.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They want us to be less than so that they
can be more than. That's the dynamic that's going on again.
Anton Chak and the historian and author of Who We
Are Volumes one and two books are available. And I'll
tell you this is something that you really want to
(48:56):
have with you. You will refer to it constantly. You'll keep
it by your bedside, I'm sure, and refer to it.
It is so well done. I just am so grateful
for you, Anton, for coming on the show. I'm grateful
for your you know, for your education and your knowledge,
your your commitment to helping this next generation avoid the
(49:20):
mistakes that we fell and got trapped in. And there
is a way out there. There is There is hope
for us, isn't there.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
I believe there is if you study the history that
that we've made such beautiful advancements when we stuck to
our mission right. The mission is improvement embodied in the life.
I think of Benjamin Franklin, the happiest man on the
planet because he was involved with improving everything, and he
had friends who were scientists and admirers of the Americans,
(49:53):
the colonists who wanted to be free of the British.
He had friends all over the world just by doing
the right thing and by exciting investigations of electricity and
different aspects of nature.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
That's who we are exactly. Well, Anton, we got to
leave it there. Thank you so much for being with us.
Take care, God speed, my friend. Thank you, our gratitude
to Anton Shakin as I mentioned, the historian and author
of Who We Are America's Fight for Universal Progress From
Franklin to Kennedy Volume two, and then Who we Are
America's Fight for Universal Progress From Franklin to Kennedy Volume
(50:30):
one that takes you from seventeen fifties to the eighteen fifties.
Well say, a great read and a great refresher for
a time such as this. Thank you for sharing a
part of your day with us. I pray that this
has been beneficial to you, that it is causing you
and motivating you to do a deeper dive. You know,
(50:50):
as we say, you must own your own knowledge and
hopefully We're encouraging you to do that because it is
important that we do not surrender our intellect and be
controlled by those whose interests are not consistent with our
Judeo Christian principles. God bless you. Thank you for being
with us. May God bless you and keep you. May
make His face shine upon you. May he'd be gracious
(51:12):
unto you and give you peace. Take care,
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