March 10, 2025 • 50 mins
Sam Sorbo, The Family First! Actress, writer, speaker, and homeschool mom discusses the future of the Education in America and the dismantling of the ineffective Department of Education.
Then, Cheryl Chumley, Online opinion editor The Washington Times, Author and Host "Bold & Blunt" podcast discusses the obvious lack of leadership and vision of the Democratic Party. Their recent display of decorum at the joint session of congress made it clear they are not ready to govern.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, hello and welcome. I'm Bill Martinez. Good to have
you with us, and we've got a great show for
you this afternoon. We're going to start off with the family.
First actress herself, the one and only Sam Sorbo will
be here. Of course, Sam has been leading the charge
for homeschooling and education, and of course you know the
question is are we looking at the last days of
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the Department of Education. You know, when you look at
all the analytics of how much money the American taxpayer
has been paying for our children for education and what
we've been getting, the return on investment absolutely lousy. As
Donald Trump said, we pay the most of any country
just about on the planet, and we're producing some of
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the worst results. Is that acceptable? I mean, I got
to tell you, coming from a family of educators myself personally,
I can tell you my relatives are rolling in their
graves and thinking about how the education system has denigrated.
Although even before they passed we had talked because they
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were still active in education and saw what was going
on in terms of the administrative state within the education
itself is very administrative heavy. It's interesting how that pattern
has duplicated itself, not only in our government, but in
other parts of our civility and our organizations, and particularly
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in the Department of Education. So I'm looking forward to
this conversation with Sam also talking about the successes of
homeschooling boy by comparison, it stands out incredibly. There's no
wonder that there's been this increasing movement of parents taking
their kids and saying, hey, look at we're going to
bring you out of out of the public education system.
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We're going to bring you home. And the results are points.
Wait till you see these results or hear about these results.
It's incredible what has happened. And also, oh yeah, by
the way, and you didn't even need Doge to check
this out. But supposedly all the homeschooling effort that's taken
place has served the taxpayer billions of dollars because it's
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not going, you know, to the public schools, and the
parents are carrying this themselves at a cost of roughly
about out six hundreds of one thousand dollars a year
per child, and they're putting the bill themselves, not we
the taxpayers. In part two of today's show, we've got
Schryl Chumley, the online opinion editor of The Washington Times,
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author of host and host I should say a bolden blunt.
It's a podcast discussing the obvious lack of leadership and
vision of the Democratic Party. Their recent display and lack
of decorum at the Joint Session of Congress made it
clear that they are not ready for prime time or
to govern. Right now, let's bring on Sam Somo, the
Family First actress, writer, speaker, and homeschool mom advocate. Sam. Welcome, Michelle,
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Good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Oh, I want to talk about the Democrats. That's much
more on an education. Well, of course, well, okay, we
can chew on that for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Just to get warmed up. I mean, you know, they've
been guest lighting us to no end, and of course,
you know, we saw what happened during Trump's speech. I mean,
they really embarrassed themselves, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I mean they really clearly have nothing to offer the
American people. And I think that's the main takeaway is
those people don't represent any kind of humanity. Frankly, they
wouldn't stand up for a twelve year old cancer survivor, who,
by the way, checks a DEI box, Like, come on,
they really embarrassed themselves. And the shaking of the cane
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it was so I mean, even Bill Maher had to
make fun of that. That's Grandpa shaking his cane. And
these new these these oh, these kids, if it weren't
for these kids, you know, meddling kids whatever. I mean,
it's so ridiculous. They are a parody of themselves, and
there seems to be nothing that they can do about it.
I'm very excited for the future of the nation as
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long as they stay in the wilderness. You know, I
get nervous sometimes, Sam, to be honest with you, because
even Charlie Kirk was meeting with Gavin Newsome, I don't
know if you saw that interview or not. And and
Charlie's given him some really awesome advice, and I'm thinking
you don't want to share that with him. Just leave
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them alone, maybe because I mean Newsom's trying. I mean,
he cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
He does this little tight little thing hug, you know,
swivel deal with himself. I don't know what he's telling
me here. I'm sure the body language experts are you know,
they can do a field day on that. But anyway,
I'm and maybe for Newsome, certainly a lot of the Democrats,
it's the wrong gospel, wrong church. They don't want to
hear this. And they're out in the wilderness because that's
where they've put themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, i mean, remember his name begins with noose. And
I think Charlie was just giving him extra rope. So
I think it'll I think it'll all work out, okay.
They You know, it's interesting because he did walk back
his stance on trans which of course is absurd. He
was so he was so laying into the whole trans stuff,
and so it's they literally they are shooting themselves in
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the foot because they really can't take a stand because
it will contradict everything that came before, and in fact,
that's what they're doing now. I just saw a mashup
of Adam Schiff once a as a congressman and now
as a Senator, and it's two different people. It's it's
somebody talking out of both sides of their mouth. And
so I am optimistic, I'm cautiously optimistic. But let's talk
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about the Department of Education, because that really is my
Bailey Wick.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, okay, so we've been saying this for a long time.
The Department of Education needed to go. Jimmy Carter did
his No Favors. You know, I think maybe it started
out as a viable idea, but unfortunately, like everything that
gets in the government, gets politicized and it loses its
sense of mission. And here we are for decades down
the road, and look what it's producing.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Sam, Yeah, well it is child abuse. Now, schools are
child abuse. And I'm sorry for the teachers that are
stuck in this very perverted, distorted system that we call
our school system. But honestly, what I just saw a
video today of a young woman, a young girl who
at the age of twelve, was given a book by
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her librarian in school. It was a recommended book and
it had pornography in it. And I'm not talking pictures,
I'm talking words. And she was an avid reader, and
it sucked her into the world of pornography. It changed
her personality. It became an addiction for her. It changed
her relationship with her parents, her relationship with her friends.
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She eventually got to the point where she realized she
didn't need friends, she could just be with her books
looking for that next sort of dopamine hit. And she
finally snapped herself out of it. I think somebody noticed
it and started talking to her about it, and she's
now realized that this is a very dangerous thing. And
this is in our schools. So I'm not sure how
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we will be able to eradicate them unless we take
a fully like amish approach, like no books that have
been published after nineteen fifty available in the schools, or
you know, some thing that's like so drastic. I doubt
very much that we'll be able to put it down
anybody's throat, although that might be a possibility. But here's
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the real problem. And I heard Marissa Strike say this,
so I'm paraphrasing what she believes because I've embraced it.
You cannot teach academics devoid of character. You must teach character.
And our schools have trained us to believe that you
can school somebody without teaching them character, and we are
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seeing the results of that. You cannot do that, and
now they are invested in teaching character, teaching these kids
trans ideology, DEI see our critical race theory, all of
these things that have nothing to do with academics, but
very much to do with the development of a character,
of a value system in the child, a worldview. Let's say, oh,
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maybe we could call that a religion, right, teaching that
in the schools, but it's the wrong doc trend for
our children to then value academics. And so the academics
are failing. We are fortieth in the world, which is
like there are only forty on the list, so we're last.
So they're pursuing an America Last policy from straight down
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from the Department of Education, and American people are waking up,
which is the exciting part. But unfortunately they've damaged all
of these children. And I want to talk to you
briefly about the damage to children, because I'm working on
an op ED right now about the decimation of the
family that has been wrought by our schools.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And so what.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Happened was we convinced families, hey, school is the best
place for your child, and the school eventually replaced the parenting.
And now we're a largely unparented society because they broke
those bonds by sending the child away from the family
for seven or eight, now even more hours a day.
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Children are not learning how to form reasonable bonds and
relationships with their family, which is the seat of the
relationship growth, right, And so now we have a whole
generation plus of individuals who can't have relationship, which leads
to divorce. So there and you know, obviously divorces off
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the charts, but marriage is dwindling. We've got all of
these different factors that are feeding into the decimation of
the family. Well, guess what. The family is the backbone
of our society exactly. So we wave goodbye to the
family at our own peril. And that's my struggle is
when we wave goodbye to the family, we are now
generating even more children that can be abused by the system,
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that are victims and will be victimized because they don't
have the family backbone. They don't have the relationships even
to be able to withstand what's happening in our schools.
So to parents out there, take your kids out of school.
Take them out today, Do not dally take them out.
If you do nothing for them, they will be better
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off than if they went back to school tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, like you, Sam, I want the best for our kids,
and you touched on this, but it's really key. And
this is something that we've been talking a lot about
in our show and our daily show, and that is
that we have to return to first principles. Let's go
back to you know, Trump says America first. I say,
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seventeen seventy six, America first. When you look like you're
talking about, you know, the culture and the wisdom of
that era, where did it come from? You know, we're
told that wisdom comes from God. We've turned our back
on God and everything has imploded on us to the
point of where we are right now. I mean, you
talk about this young girl in pornography. I was just
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reading a George Barnet report here the other day and
this is really shocking to me. Up until I guess
maybe several year years ago. You know, people always thought
about pornography and men like they went together, you know,
handing glove. But they only recently they're looking at the
impact that it has had on women, and it's actually
been growing from thirty three percent the last reading according
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to Barne is over forty percent of women are involved
in pornography today and over a third of the people
that go to church on Sunday are involved in pornography.
So we have corruption within the camp. And if we
get back to first principles and go back to where
we started, which was with you know, Judeo Christian principles,
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then I can believe we can start to really mix them,
you know, headway into this. Otherwise, if we just try
and do it in and of ourselves, good luck. I
don't think that it can it's sustainable. We need to
get back and anchor our selves and those things that
are so basic to our humanity and our identity which
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comes from God and not from some president or a
political party.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, of course, you know, if you're talking about the
God's influence in this country, yes, certainly God influenced the
founding of this country. It was through God's providence that
the country even survived the revolutionary war, And if you
read any first any original documents, you will see that
to a man, they credited God with every miracle that
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befell them in their favor. But then we most recently
had the miracle of Donald Trump surviving an assassin's bullet
by turning his head just a micro you know, a
micro bit away from the bullet and it whizzing through
his ear. You know, this kind of thing is we
shouldn't take it lightly. We should look at it and
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really pursue it. And when you talk about getting back
to first principles, in other words, getting back to seventeen
seventy six and the principles upon which this nation was founded,
I love that you bring that up, because who were we.
We were a bunch of ragtag individuals who were self educated.
We were all self taught. None of our founders went
to school. They might have attended college, okay, but college
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was from the age of thirteen, and so before that
they didn't have schools. We didn't have schools in the nation.
And these men devised the floor plan for the greatest
nation on earth, the schematics of a government that is
of the people, by the people, for the people, that
has never before been seen and at this point I
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doubt will ever be seen again, because we unfortunately are
in decline right now. And the reason that we are
in decline is because we have allowed the government to
teach us. We have trusted the government to teach its
citizens that they maintain the power, and we don't know
that anymore. And that's why, for instance, school choice, this
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is this new sort of new fan this is what's
going to solve all of our school problems. We're going
to have the money follow the child. A lot of
people like to like to say, so it's the government
funds that go to the parents for the education of
their children. Okay, two things. We already have school choice,
and it's not that. So you have the ability, whoever
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you are, to choose the school that your child attends.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It's on you.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Okay, so we have that already, But now they're calling
this thing school choice. This is government funded schooling, which
we have already, but it's directed by the parents and
it's overseen by some new government agency new for every state.
Let's say, every state has their own. So some of
the money gets siphoned off from the top because it
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goes through the federal government. Some of the money gets
siphoned off by the state and then the rest of
the money goes to the parents. And I will tell
you that I know parents who have used the money
to buy flat screen TVs and that's not the idea
behind it. So people actually understand what we're talking about
with the money follows the child, right, then they would
they would get their hackles up a little bit because
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that's not what this is. Right now, we're going through
a period where DOGE, the Department of Governmental Efficiency, is
discovering all of this mishandling of funds. Why do you
think that the government just distributing money to citizens is
going to solve the academic crisis that we have for
our students. It's absurd. But because we all went to school,
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we weren't taught discernment. We weren't taught to like look
behind the peak behind the curtain and see the wizard
behind the curtain pulling all the levers. It's it's absurd.
It's like saying food stamps will make people healthier. Uh,
check again, check again. Right, this is this is food
stamps for schooling and it's not going to work. And unfortunately,
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what it will do is it will governmentalize every private
school and you will no longer have your private schools.
So you private schools out there, I'm putting you on
a warning because you love this money, you want this money,
but you better understand you take it at your own
peril because they will put you out of business. They
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have no desire to see you succeed. Instead of a
government run school, they will governmentalize your school and make
it a government school.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, it's kind of like the success of Hillsdale College, right,
Hillsdale College refuse government money and look look at why
you know, all.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
The other colleges exactly, other colleges in this nation are
an example of school choice.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yes, right, well.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You're saying I don't even know if my child should
go to college because right, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, what are they getting? And even you know, the
thing is is that here we are on this technological
you know, bubble getting ready to explode, I mean, which
is going to be great AI and all the advancement
that's going on that's on the horizon, and our kids
are ill prepared for it right now. But thank god
for Donald Trump was at least focusing on it. You know.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
No, it's true the school by the way, like, can
we call them factory schools? I mean, seriously, there's no
outdated at this point. And they're preparing children for jobs,
which so I have my own problem with that because
I think that it's child abuse to tell a child
that his only value is how much money he can earn.
But set that aside. That's what they're telling children, college prep,
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career readiness, that's all about the money. But what they're
doing is they're preparing children for jobs that don't exist,
that won't exist anymore. And so while they're putting a
cap on the child's learning, because that's what schools do.
They discourage learning, they discourage the love of learning. They
turn out and people who are listening, no, when you left.
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Basically most people when they left school hated the whole
idea of learning and education and leave me alone. I
don't like it. And that's what they're doing to children today.
But they're doing obviously much worse because it's become so
much more abusive with the pornography and the rest of
the stuff that's happening in our schools.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
What are we really about now We're trying to prepare
children for jobs that won't exist, and we're not even
doing a good job of that. We say that we're
all about the academics. Clearly that's a lie because we're
not accomplishing academics. And so why are we still Why
are we still on this tread on this treadmill? And
the reason is because Bill, you and I went to
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school and we were taught that school is good. That's
what we were taught. In fact, by the way, if
you want any information, it's all in my book. I
should I just have to throw this up.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
There, Yes, please do that. Yes, it's the.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Parent's Guide to homeschool. And so I go through all
of these sort of points about what's wrong with our
schools as a way of empowering parents to understand. You parents,
you're enough. You're teaching your child to be an adult.
Is enough? Literally, it's enough. They need to know how
to read, how to write, how to do some math,
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and then basically how to be a human being. And
you've got that in space. You're a human being.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Look at that exactly. It's life experience. I mean, look
what's happening. Like you say, the homeschooling parents today, they're
not all PhDs. I mean, they run the spectrum. You
know of people who are absolutely valid educated, some having
graduated from high school, I mean successful, entire list, right, right,
and there's hope in growing about six to eight percent
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every year.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's right. And you don't have to know all you
have to Here's the thing, and I try to simplify
it for people because it's terribly daunting thinking that you're
somehow going to replace that red brick institutional building.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But the fact is this, if you can give your
child a love of learning and show them how to
learn exactly, that's really what it's all about. And so
if you don't know, you're actually in a better position
because as long as you're willing to show them how
to learn it, which you can do, then you will
put them on the path to success. And then they
will be empowered. Your children to learn anything that they need.
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At any point, they can go after any job they
want because they will know how to study up and
learn it before they get to the job.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Interview, Well, the critical learning skills are so much more advanced, Sam,
I mean because you're in an environment that is about education,
not in doctrination.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Like you said, Yeah, well, it's just much less onerous, right,
the school. And this again, this is all in my book,
the lies that the schools teach are children, that learning
is hard, that teaching is hard, and that teacher has
all of the information. The teacher has. Teachers have very
limited information. They know classroom management, that's the one thing
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that they excel in. But basically, the teacher, for the
most part, unless they've been teaching for a very long time,
has read the lesson plan the day before, and they
come in and they impart the lesson plan and then
you learn it, and somehow you think that, oh, teacher
knows everything and I can trust the teacher. Let's face
it went through a whole time period of trust the experts.
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How did that work out for us? Not very well.
But we did it because we were trained in school
to trust the experts. And I'm telling you that that
is faulty training. They've been doing this for decades. This
isn't new. This is just the latest iteration of a
flawed paradigm. And so there, the more parents that I
can empower to take your kids out of school, the
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better off you will be. And of course the better
I'll feel, because that's my whole paradigm. And I can't
tell you the number of parents who have come up
to me having heard me speak three years ago, four
years ago, whatever, and say, you know, I heard you speak,
and we took our daughter out the very next day,
and it's just been the greatest blessing on our family.
Or you know, you told my husband to take both
our boys out. We were only going to take one out,
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but he decided to listen to you. He felt that
it was right, and it's been the greatest thing for
our family and for the boys. They're just thriving and
they're so smart. And so that's that's the nugget that
people have a really hard time cracking, because they still
believe in school. And the reason they believe in school
is because they've been indoctrinated right through twelve thirteen years
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of believe in school. We are the greatest, We're the best.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, but look at the numbers of homeschool and kids.
How much better they perform than kids in public education? Sam,
I mean, forty.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Five percent better on the standardized tests.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Unbelievable. I shouldn't be unbelievable. But for some people, again
caught up in the tradition of the white coats, you know,
and the professionals telling us what we're supposed to believe
and what we're supposed to know. But the thing, sadly too,
with education has become more of a top down situation.
These there are some great teachers, but unfortunately they're hamstrung
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because the administration state of public Education says you will
teach this, and they don't have the flexible ability to
be able to say, hey, look at the classes moving
in this direction. They really need to learn this particular
element before something. No, you've got to stay with the plan.
If not, then you get marked down.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well, not only that, you have to stay with the
slowest student. So your exceptional learners forget about it. They're
disenfranchised right away. I was recently speaking to a group
and a woman came up to me afterwards, and she
had tears in her eyes because she is a public
school teacher, she's a Christian, she is ministering to the
kids in her care, and she also recognizes that everything
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I say is true, and so she's very conflicted because
she knows that she's doing a ministry for those kids,
but she also understands how harmed they will be by
this system at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Of it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It's a meat grinder. It's really terrible, and I don't
wish it for anybody's children. I can't save all the kids,
but if I can encourage parents to or empower them
at least to take their kids out of school and
at least give it a truck, I think that I
know that what they will see on the flip side
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is the difference between black and white and technicolor. We
think that we're setting ourselves up for some sort of terrible,
tremendous lift, that it's very difficult, that homeschooling is the
hardest thing ever. And I've actually long said if homeschooling
is hard, you're doing it wrong. Parenting is hard, Parenting
can be challenging.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Homeschooling no, no, no, no, no, Then you're doing it wrong because
it should be pretty easy. Kids love to learn, and
they only start to hate learning when they.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Go to school. As we wrap things up here, Department
of Education, Trump said, let's dismantle it. What do you see?
You know the next step. I know we've kind of,
you know, hit all this, But in terms of best
case scenario, what could you hope for that would happen
that Linda McMahon and our government would do on behalf
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of the kids.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, I think she believes at least that she needs
a majority two thirds in the Senate, which is sixty something,
and she won't have it right, And so I think
she thinks that she needs sixty but I'm not sure,
Like whatever that definition is, it's over. It's it's more
than fifty nine, and she doesn't have fifty nine if
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the Democrats all go one way. So so for her
to actually shut it down is there's a lot of
water that has to pass under that bridge. It's not
going to be a fast moving current. I think it's
going to be a slow boat, which is unfortunate. But
there's there are a lot of misconceptions out there, like
what about student loans, Well, student loans go through a
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completely different department.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Or a trillion of student loans exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, but the Department of Education itself is it's over
a trillion dollars a year. And I just want to
read you the mission Statement because I brought it up
to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by
fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access. So they get
an a for alliteration, because there's a lot of ease
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that they used at the beginning of their words. But
other than that, they're not hitting their mission target. So
I don't know what they think they're doing, and I
don't even know. I mean, I think that they would
be hard put to define how they would achieve the
screen achievement and the preparation. And by the way, like
that's the problem with all of these sort of quick
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fixes is somehow giving parents money will improve student outcomes.
That's not how it works. And you know, as educators.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
They ought to know that exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Linda's got Linda McMahon, who's been confirmed this past week,
has she has a lot of work on her plate,
and she's got a lot of convincing to do and
education of people if she wants to get the votes,
and I'm pretty sure she believes that she needs the
votes in order to actually shut it down. The things
that she might be able to do are just sort
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of curtail some of the programs that go through the
arment of education. But my concern is that they're not
actually going to save the money. They're actually going to
disperse it to different avenues and sort of. You know,
it's the great shell game of the government funding. So
you know, and we have yet to see Doge has
saved all of this money, but we have yet to
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see where those savings are going to be applied. I
think they've said that they're going to apply them to
the debt and pay off some of the debt, which
would be a step in the right direction exactly, and
then moving forward, of course, there would be savings year
upon year of those things, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well. Of course they teased us a little bit with
a dividend, possibly as well as them.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So which I think is, let's cut taxes. Let's do that.
But you know, so if that money is going to
go pay off the debt, then how about cutting taxes
also buy that amount exactly moving forward so that they
don't get their hands on that money at least maybe
okay maybe Anyway, I'm just saying like they've got a
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lot of work, and it's a Gordian k Nott and
so I don't, look, I don't I don't disparage her efforts.
Certainly there haven't been very many yet, so I'm I'm
rooting for her. I'm rooting for her.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Ye, work. I'm with you on that, Sam, we got
to leave it there. Thank you as always, Sam Sorbo
the family first, actress, writer, speaker, homeschool mom, and Sam
the website they can go to to find out more
about homeschooling and uh and find out about you and
that husband and unit of yours known as Kevin my
husband unit.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Go to Sorbostudios dot com Sorbo Studios dot com. Look
up the book. It's right there. Also, we have some
great events coming up. We're traveling to Greece with a
very small group, and I think we still have two
seats left, so feel free to reach out for that.
Go to the events page and look at that stuff
and we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Thanks Bill, Good to Sam, as always appreciate it. Take
care all right. You got a Sam Sorbo our guest
with us coming up next from The Washington Times is
the online opinion editor Cheryl Chumley joins us. Now, Cheryl,
welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Hi, it's great to be with you. Thanks well, welcoming.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I always love having this time together. A lot going on.
This is the time of year where March Madness takes
place and basketball, you know, raises some excitement, but there's
lots of march madness on college campuses, like what we're
seeing at Columbia.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah. And you know what the difference now though, is
compared to last time when Joe Biden was in the administration,
right when he was president, is that we actually are
seeing some action from this White House, from the Trump
White House. People are being arrested and they're being on masks,
so we get to see the faces of those protesters
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who go to great lengths to conceal their identities. And
you know, the latest is the Palestinian pro Palestinian really
pro terror group leader on Columbia campus was just arrested,
possibly going to lose his green card and so forth.
And this is great, We're seeing some action here.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
We have. The thing that's amazing, Cheryl is like, you know,
the the American people are going, why didn't we do
this earlier? Why have we put up with this? Why
have the presidents of these university universities have tolerated this
kind of outrage that has compromised I mean, you've got
these kids and families paying a boatload of money for
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their education and it's all being interfered with by these
territ pro terrorist groups.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah. I think those in America of sane mind, right,
who aren't the anti Semites, knew that when these protests
started first breaking out on college campus that it would
be very easy to clear them. Right. All you had
to do is imagine if these were protests wearing Maga
hats pro Trump hats, and they were inciting riots and
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so forth, Watch how quickly the Joe Biden administration and
the college administrators would have banded together to shut down
those those protests. But because the political will was missing,
that's why those protests were allowed to go forth for
so long. And now you know, the situation's change. We
have an administration in the White House that isn't going
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to shy from taking punitive measures against campuses that allow
this blatant anti Jew, pro terror group demonstrations to go forth.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well, it just seems a matter of common sense. And
I'm encouraged because I see this common sense not only
spreading at other campuses and universities, but around the world
where you know, and this is what leadership does. Leadership
can be contagious, can't it.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, And you know, it's a funny thing about readership. Right.
You don't have to have everything figured out in order
to enact great change.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
All you have to do is be firm insteadfast and
determined in your messaging. And then watch all the nefarious
forces fall, watch all the evil as they fly back
into their dark corners. And so this administration is basically
put out the message that they're not going to going
to put up with anti Semitic displays, and they've backed
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it with a little teeth, and so watch this year
is going to be very, very different on college campuses
compared to last year. It's the same type of narrative
that have really overnight shut down our borders, sent a
strong message. You know, nothing's really changed. We don't have
more money going into the border, we don't have more
agents hired. It's just the narrative. And it's been a
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complete one eighty.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well and it's been amazing what this president has done
in what fifty to fifty one days. It is just spectacular.
Half of the American people shutting the border overnight. And
then you look at those old tapes that Joe Biden says, oh,
you know it's broken. It's going to take a lot
of money and all this other stuff and it took
how many executive orders and look at the numbers. I
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mean dramatic, I mean night and day difference.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, it's not like all of a sudden we've hired,
you know, five hundred thousand more border agents and that's
made the difference. The big difference is the political will exactly.
You know this White House really, Donald Trump has surrounded
himself with some really great people this time around, and
they've all come equipped to hit the ground running, which
(34:39):
we've seen. You know, none of them are sitting in
their offices and we're sitting here as American citizens wondering
what they're doing. They're all out and about and we
see the actions that each of the cabinet secretaries are
taking and it's having a tremendous difference on America.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, it's kind of hard to not keep up with
your boss who lives on what three four hours of
sleep at night and you know he's he's sending out
a tweet at three o'clock in the morning. So whatever
sleep you're able to get, you better check your you
better check your ex account or your your truth social
account to find out, Okay, what what are my orders
(35:18):
for the day, right.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, America, the sleeping
giant has been awoken exactly right. We went from dead administration,
dragging around Joe Biden, watching him fall, call out dead people,
struggle to put his coat on, struggle to walk through
the beach sands, to a president who is just kicking it.
(35:42):
Like you said, in fifty one days, he's probably done
more than Joe Biden and Barack Obama did in their
twelve years combined.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So well, Joe Biden's still trying to figure out what
five things he did yesterday was past week.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Well, it's interesting the headlines you raised an interesting point
because you know that's part humorous, but now we're seeing
that his auto auto signature has been used. Yes, yeah,
so it's going to be very interesting as the days
go by when we start to get revelations about what
did Joe Biden actually sign on to and what was
being done behind scenes.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Well, the question remains who was actually president of the
United States. And it was shocking. I mean, you look
at the auto pen signature that was there, and the
only real signature that they could discern was the one
that made the announcement that he was not going to
run which was which was sited in Delaware, right, so
I guess the autopen wasn't available there.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah, And you know it's humorous, right, but we really
have to look look past the humor and see the
deeper message there that for four years, it's as we
suspected that the White House under Joe Biden was basically
he was a puppet president and there was a shadow
government that was actively pushing agendas that were contra American
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citizens interests.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
And look what it costs. I mean it's not only
Joe Biden, It's a Democratic Party. This is why they're
in the wilderness and they should be and somebody at
some point, Pam Bondi Cash Mattel, the Justice Department needs
to come after because of the damage that they have
done to this country. I mean, part of the challenge
that Donald Trump has is coming in. He doesn't come
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in with this nice trans peaceful transition, you know, from
one administration to the next. I mean, he's got a
mess of messes to clean up. And then on top
of that, we find out that Joe Biden on his
way out was disseminating almost a trillion dollars of assets
to his cronies.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, you know, Donald Trump does have a mess to
clean up, and he's doing a tremendous job though addressing
much of that. The big sticking point for this administration
I think is the court system, right, Yeah, so there
needs to be some address, maybe a couple judges in
pace each or something along those lines that make clear
(38:03):
to the judicial system that, you know, it's time to
stop overreaching and basically exerting will over an entire country.
But as far as fighting back and pushing back on
all the other agendas, you know, the Doze project alone
is just really revealing to American citizens so much of
(38:24):
the waste that we knew had been going forth, but
we just didn't know to what extent and in all
the different areas. And so that alone will do a
lot to cleaning up some of the corruption.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Well, what happens when the truth comes out? Everybody everybody's indictable.
It's not just government because what you've got, you know,
like they revealed in the Social Security checks, I've got
a person three hundred and sixty years old getting a
check supposedly come on, you know, and how many people
over one hundred, you know, millions of people over one hundred.
(38:57):
I mean, we're setting a record, you know, like Donald's
kind of kid RFK Jr. You know, during the joint
species is man. You know, we've already done a great job.
We got healthier people than we realize here in America,
you know, living so long, right, And.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I want to go back to what you said a
minute ago about Democrats being in the wilderness, because that
ties into what you were just saying that. You know,
it seems to me that this would be an easy
opportunity for Democrats to make to sort of unify over
a core principle that tax dollars should not be going
toward you know, corruption and toward wasteful things, both domestically
(39:37):
and foreign in foreign nations. But Democrats, they are so
far gone, they are so anti Trump that they can't
even get behind policies that really just root out waste
of tax dollars and rain those in. And it's it's
a little bit astonishing to see to what extents the
Democrats will go to resist this administration.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well, you have these eighty twenty propositions that are out
there that they're on the losing side time and again,
whether it's you know, men and women's sports. How they
you know, they demonstrated themselves during the joint session. They
couldn't even stand up for a young boy that had
brain surgery, a girl who got hit in the head
(40:22):
by a transathlete that will suffer for the rest of
her life. TBI, you know, the Hungary family and Lincoln
Riley family. They couldn't even acknowledge the pain and suffering
that these families have endured because of their policies and
the open borders that Joe Biden swung open. That we
(40:44):
have millions of illegal immigrants in this country that are
perpetrating crimes. And regardless of these sanctuary cities that want to,
you know, say something different and gas lightis on it.
The people who live there know better.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, And it's to the Democrat Party's detriment. Detriment, right though,
you know, I'm kind of kind of split on that,
because the lower the Democrats go, the deeper in the
mud they wallow, the better it is for Republicans and conservatives, right,
the better it is for us politically that you know,
independents and more moderate Democrats will vote for our candidates
(41:22):
over the radicalized Democrats. But look, there are a few
Democrats who are awakening to the radicalization of their party,
Gavin Newsom being the most notable and most recent and
when he came out and he said in his state,
you know, men cannot play in women's sports, boys cannot
play in girls' sports. That was a massive announcement, not
(41:45):
just to the Democrat Party that he was splitting from
on that on that particular platform, but also it serves
as sort of a heads up that this is the
guy that is going to run for president for the
Democrat Party, uh the next election.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, he's reading the polls. I mean, that's why he
had Charlie Kirk in his office and they did the
podcast and Charlie is telling him things. I'm almost thinking, Charlie,
don't tell him. Maybe in some respects it might be
you know, the wrong gospel, wrong church, that maybe he
just hears it, but it really doesn't take root. Because
what Charlie was sharing with him was very pragmatic. But
(42:24):
the Democrats, like you said, ideologically, they're so fixed and
lost that this is self imposed. And to be honest
with the Cheryl, I had predicted this to happen back
in twenty twenty. I thought that they were going to
lose so miserably in twenty twenty that it was going
to cause them to do some soul searching. Well, I
was off by four years. And you know here it
(42:46):
is because they have really imploded on themselves. And like
I said, everything the policies of Joe Biden, Joe Biden
as the full president of the United States, the damage
that we've had to endure, you've got to put it
at their But what concerns me, Cheryl I was talking
with another guest here earlier this week about this is that,
you know, this spirit of greed has come upon the
(43:08):
political class, and we got to understand it doesn't stay there.
It spreads into the electorate to where people think, well,
look at you know, Nancy Pelosi's making all this money.
What does it you know, what does it matter if
I if I take extra money, I don't pay my taxes,
or I have a check here that came in that
(43:29):
doesn't I shouldn't cash, but I'm going to catch it anyway.
And these people that have been cashing checks for years
on Social Security for a loved one that's been dead
for God only knows how long. I mean, you know,
this greed runs rampant, and that's what we need to
be careful, And I say be careful, we need to
be honest about it to where we if we're going
(43:49):
to get this country back on track, we've got to
embrace the truth like we've never embraced it before. And
I think that would make a huge difference and solve
a lot of problems. But it's going to take some courage.
It's going to take a lot of courage for the
Democrats to come from where they are and for citizens
of the United States to you know, what echoes to me.
(44:11):
And what brought this out was I was watching JFK's
inauguration They do that every once in a while, and
cycled in and his statement about as not what your
country can do for you, but what you can do
for the country. And what's happened is too many Americans
are living off the dole and the largesse of the
(44:31):
America hard working taxpayer and it's just not fair. And
this is what Doses is bringing out. And now how
are we going to reconcile all this because this is
going to cause some psychological damage, I believe.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
So it's an interesting question on many fronts because you know,
you talk about the entitlements, the entitlement mindset that's taken
route and spread in America, and that's only gotten worse
the more open our borders, right, because what we do
is we let in these people from countries where they
are used to their governments providing from cradle to grave,
(45:09):
and they come here with the same sort of mindset,
not respecting or aware of what American exceptional is exceptionalism is,
so they vote for those politicians that promise cradle to
grave entitlements as well, and then pretty soon everybody, as
you just pointed out, greed is a factor.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Greed.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Everybody wants their own. If my neighbor gets that, I
should get that too. It's only fair, and so it
sort of feeds on it, right, And the Democrat Party
has become the party of promising these big entitlement programs,
these big entitlement giveaways, because they don't have the principles
to get votes, to earn votes, so they have to
(45:51):
resort to gimmicks and giveaways as a way of securing
their power as securing their next elections.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
And the thing that discussed me most about this is
they use our money to do that.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Of course, it's very easy to give away other people's money.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Of course, but here it is, and it's no wonder
that forty percent of the electorate will vote for them
automatically because they're at the troth.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yeah, and so when you look, I like how you
brought up greed, because that's touching on the political system
is based on the culture, right you, and I notice
your viewers know this. It's all about the Bible, biblical
truths playing out. And if you don't have a citizenry
that's morally compassed from a higher power, then you're going
(46:36):
to get a corrupted political system, which is why we're
at where we're at in America right now. And so
in addition to greed, I think there's a great deal
of arrogance that goes along in pride in our political
class to sort of look down on citizens. Is if
we cannot no longer do for ourselves, that we need government,
That government is the only solution for all that ails.
(47:00):
And that's another way that our government grows beyond limits,
beyond proper limits.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Well, thank god our citizens exercise their own critical thinking
during COVID, or we all would have been dead, you know.
I mean, it's pretty scary I mean, you say, but
this is what this is the point we've come to.
But thank God for Donald Trump, thank God for Elon
Musk and Doge and what's being revealed to the American people.
(47:28):
And Okay, so now all this is coming out. So
what are you going to do with the truth? Now?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Well, it's interesting, right because a lot of us have
been fighting from the trenches for years and waiting for
the day when the politics would actually follow, you know,
the limits of the government that are rightly set out
in the Constitution, and so we have that in place
right now. But look, we can't just sit back and say, well,
(47:52):
Donald Trump's our savior, right, He's going to everything. All
we can do is look at Donald Trump and this
administration is sort of a four year reprieve. Right, We've
got a little breathing room, and now we can make
the real fight that needs to be made in America,
the one for God given rights and liberties. Right, it
doesn't matter who's in politics. We as individuals should be
(48:14):
taking our rights and freedoms from God. And in order
to do that, we have to read the Bible. We
have to teach our kids a Bible, and we have
to insist on Judeo Christian principles being upheld in our
political class, which starts with moral governance and then also
includes things like humble service to the people.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Exactly. Well, it's a time to re embrace, Yes, the Bible,
the Word of God, the basis, that's the first principle
of everything. And then go ahead and just read the
Declaration of Independence. I mean that in itself is liberating,
isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
You know you read we hold these truths to be
self evident right that we are endowed with certain unalienable
rights from the Creator. That's it right there. That's the
marketing orders for our government.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's about freedom. That is the thing freedom, and that's
where it all emanates from. It comes from God Almighty,
not from Donald Trump, as you said. And so we
are a very unique, exceptional country because of this. Cheryl Chumley,
as always, I'm so grateful for you and thankful that
(49:20):
you've given us the time to come on the show.
Cheryl Chumley is a online opinion editor for The Washington Time.
She's the author and host of Bolden Blunt podcast, and
she's just such a great job at the Washington Times. Cheryl,
how can people be in touch with you.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
You can find me on x at C. K. Chumley
or on substack at my name. Thanks for that, Bill Well, Cheryl,
thank you appreciate it. Take care, be blessed all right,
you too, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Again for coming on the show, Cheryl Chumley, and our
thanks also to Sam Sorbo who was here earlier talking
about homeschooling and the and the status of public education,
and you know, will America have what it takes in
order to you know, do something and maybe reorganize, maybe
(50:09):
not reorganize the public education, but dismantle it to where
we would have something more worthy of our country and
our future generations. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much
for being with us and sharing a part of your
day with us. Again. May God bless you, and may
God's face shine upon you. May His grace and peace
(50:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, hello and welcome. I'm Bill Martinez. Good to have
you with us, and we've got a great show for
you this afternoon. We're going to start off with the family.
First actress herself, the one and only Sam Sorbo will
be here. Of course, Sam has been leading the charge
for homeschooling and education, and of course you know the
question is are we looking at the last days of
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the Department of Education. You know, when you look at
all the analytics of how much money the American taxpayer
has been paying for our children for education and what
we've been getting, the return on investment absolutely lousy. As
Donald Trump said, we pay the most of any country
just about on the planet, and we're producing some of
(01:21):
the worst results. Is that acceptable? I mean, I got
to tell you, coming from a family of educators myself personally,
I can tell you my relatives are rolling in their
graves and thinking about how the education system has denigrated.
Although even before they passed we had talked because they
(01:43):
were still active in education and saw what was going
on in terms of the administrative state within the education
itself is very administrative heavy. It's interesting how that pattern
has duplicated itself, not only in our government, but in
other parts of our civility and our organizations, and particularly
(02:05):
in the Department of Education. So I'm looking forward to
this conversation with Sam also talking about the successes of
homeschooling boy by comparison, it stands out incredibly. There's no
wonder that there's been this increasing movement of parents taking
their kids and saying, hey, look at we're going to
bring you out of out of the public education system.
(02:30):
We're going to bring you home. And the results are points.
Wait till you see these results or hear about these results.
It's incredible what has happened. And also, oh yeah, by
the way, and you didn't even need Doge to check
this out. But supposedly all the homeschooling effort that's taken
place has served the taxpayer billions of dollars because it's
(02:53):
not going, you know, to the public schools, and the
parents are carrying this themselves at a cost of roughly
about out six hundreds of one thousand dollars a year
per child, and they're putting the bill themselves, not we
the taxpayers. In part two of today's show, we've got
Schryl Chumley, the online opinion editor of The Washington Times,
(03:15):
author of host and host I should say a bolden blunt.
It's a podcast discussing the obvious lack of leadership and
vision of the Democratic Party. Their recent display and lack
of decorum at the Joint Session of Congress made it
clear that they are not ready for prime time or
to govern. Right now, let's bring on Sam Somo, the
Family First actress, writer, speaker, and homeschool mom advocate. Sam. Welcome, Michelle,
(03:41):
Good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Oh, I want to talk about the Democrats. That's much
more on an education. Well, of course, well, okay, we
can chew on that for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Just to get warmed up. I mean, you know, they've
been guest lighting us to no end, and of course,
you know, we saw what happened during Trump's speech. I mean,
they really embarrassed themselves, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I mean they really clearly have nothing to offer the
American people. And I think that's the main takeaway is
those people don't represent any kind of humanity. Frankly, they
wouldn't stand up for a twelve year old cancer survivor, who,
by the way, checks a DEI box, Like, come on,
they really embarrassed themselves. And the shaking of the cane
(04:24):
it was so I mean, even Bill Maher had to
make fun of that. That's Grandpa shaking his cane. And
these new these these oh, these kids, if it weren't
for these kids, you know, meddling kids whatever. I mean,
it's so ridiculous. They are a parody of themselves, and
there seems to be nothing that they can do about it.
I'm very excited for the future of the nation as
(04:46):
long as they stay in the wilderness. You know, I
get nervous sometimes, Sam, to be honest with you, because
even Charlie Kirk was meeting with Gavin Newsome, I don't
know if you saw that interview or not. And and
Charlie's given him some really awesome advice, and I'm thinking
you don't want to share that with him. Just leave
(05:06):
them alone, maybe because I mean Newsom's trying. I mean,
he cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
He does this little tight little thing hug, you know,
swivel deal with himself. I don't know what he's telling
me here. I'm sure the body language experts are you know,
they can do a field day on that. But anyway,
I'm and maybe for Newsome, certainly a lot of the Democrats,
it's the wrong gospel, wrong church. They don't want to
hear this. And they're out in the wilderness because that's
where they've put themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, i mean, remember his name begins with noose. And
I think Charlie was just giving him extra rope. So
I think it'll I think it'll all work out, okay.
They You know, it's interesting because he did walk back
his stance on trans which of course is absurd. He
was so he was so laying into the whole trans stuff,
and so it's they literally they are shooting themselves in
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the foot because they really can't take a stand because
it will contradict everything that came before, and in fact,
that's what they're doing now. I just saw a mashup
of Adam Schiff once a as a congressman and now
as a Senator, and it's two different people. It's it's
somebody talking out of both sides of their mouth. And
so I am optimistic, I'm cautiously optimistic. But let's talk
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about the Department of Education, because that really is my
Bailey Wick.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, okay, so we've been saying this for a long time.
The Department of Education needed to go. Jimmy Carter did
his No Favors. You know, I think maybe it started
out as a viable idea, but unfortunately, like everything that
gets in the government, gets politicized and it loses its
sense of mission. And here we are for decades down
the road, and look what it's producing.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Sam, Yeah, well it is child abuse. Now, schools are
child abuse. And I'm sorry for the teachers that are
stuck in this very perverted, distorted system that we call
our school system. But honestly, what I just saw a
video today of a young woman, a young girl who
at the age of twelve, was given a book by
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her librarian in school. It was a recommended book and
it had pornography in it. And I'm not talking pictures,
I'm talking words. And she was an avid reader, and
it sucked her into the world of pornography. It changed
her personality. It became an addiction for her. It changed
her relationship with her parents, her relationship with her friends.
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She eventually got to the point where she realized she
didn't need friends, she could just be with her books
looking for that next sort of dopamine hit. And she
finally snapped herself out of it. I think somebody noticed
it and started talking to her about it, and she's
now realized that this is a very dangerous thing. And
this is in our schools. So I'm not sure how
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we will be able to eradicate them unless we take
a fully like amish approach, like no books that have
been published after nineteen fifty available in the schools, or
you know, some thing that's like so drastic. I doubt
very much that we'll be able to put it down
anybody's throat, although that might be a possibility. But here's
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the real problem. And I heard Marissa Strike say this,
so I'm paraphrasing what she believes because I've embraced it.
You cannot teach academics devoid of character. You must teach character.
And our schools have trained us to believe that you
can school somebody without teaching them character, and we are
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seeing the results of that. You cannot do that, and
now they are invested in teaching character, teaching these kids
trans ideology, DEI see our critical race theory, all of
these things that have nothing to do with academics, but
very much to do with the development of a character,
of a value system in the child, a worldview. Let's say, oh,
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maybe we could call that a religion, right, teaching that
in the schools, but it's the wrong doc trend for
our children to then value academics. And so the academics
are failing. We are fortieth in the world, which is
like there are only forty on the list, so we're last.
So they're pursuing an America Last policy from straight down
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from the Department of Education, and American people are waking up,
which is the exciting part. But unfortunately they've damaged all
of these children. And I want to talk to you
briefly about the damage to children, because I'm working on
an op ED right now about the decimation of the
family that has been wrought by our schools.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And so what.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Happened was we convinced families, hey, school is the best
place for your child, and the school eventually replaced the parenting.
And now we're a largely unparented society because they broke
those bonds by sending the child away from the family
for seven or eight, now even more hours a day.
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Children are not learning how to form reasonable bonds and
relationships with their family, which is the seat of the
relationship growth, right, And so now we have a whole
generation plus of individuals who can't have relationship, which leads
to divorce. So there and you know, obviously divorces off
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the charts, but marriage is dwindling. We've got all of
these different factors that are feeding into the decimation of
the family. Well, guess what. The family is the backbone
of our society exactly. So we wave goodbye to the
family at our own peril. And that's my struggle is
when we wave goodbye to the family, we are now
generating even more children that can be abused by the system,
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that are victims and will be victimized because they don't
have the family backbone. They don't have the relationships even
to be able to withstand what's happening in our schools.
So to parents out there, take your kids out of school.
Take them out today, Do not dally take them out.
If you do nothing for them, they will be better
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off than if they went back to school tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, like you, Sam, I want the best for our kids,
and you touched on this, but it's really key. And
this is something that we've been talking a lot about
in our show and our daily show, and that is
that we have to return to first principles. Let's go
back to you know, Trump says America first. I say,
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seventeen seventy six, America first. When you look like you're
talking about, you know, the culture and the wisdom of
that era, where did it come from? You know, we're
told that wisdom comes from God. We've turned our back
on God and everything has imploded on us to the
point of where we are right now. I mean, you
talk about this young girl in pornography. I was just
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reading a George Barnet report here the other day and
this is really shocking to me. Up until I guess
maybe several year years ago. You know, people always thought
about pornography and men like they went together, you know,
handing glove. But they only recently they're looking at the
impact that it has had on women, and it's actually
been growing from thirty three percent the last reading according
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to Barne is over forty percent of women are involved
in pornography today and over a third of the people
that go to church on Sunday are involved in pornography.
So we have corruption within the camp. And if we
get back to first principles and go back to where
we started, which was with you know, Judeo Christian principles,
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then I can believe we can start to really mix them,
you know, headway into this. Otherwise, if we just try
and do it in and of ourselves, good luck. I
don't think that it can it's sustainable. We need to
get back and anchor our selves and those things that
are so basic to our humanity and our identity which
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comes from God and not from some president or a
political party.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, of course, you know, if you're talking about the
God's influence in this country, yes, certainly God influenced the
founding of this country. It was through God's providence that
the country even survived the revolutionary war, And if you
read any first any original documents, you will see that
to a man, they credited God with every miracle that
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befell them in their favor. But then we most recently
had the miracle of Donald Trump surviving an assassin's bullet
by turning his head just a micro you know, a
micro bit away from the bullet and it whizzing through
his ear. You know, this kind of thing is we
shouldn't take it lightly. We should look at it and
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really pursue it. And when you talk about getting back
to first principles, in other words, getting back to seventeen
seventy six and the principles upon which this nation was founded,
I love that you bring that up, because who were we.
We were a bunch of ragtag individuals who were self educated.
We were all self taught. None of our founders went
to school. They might have attended college, okay, but college
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was from the age of thirteen, and so before that
they didn't have schools. We didn't have schools in the nation.
And these men devised the floor plan for the greatest
nation on earth, the schematics of a government that is
of the people, by the people, for the people, that
has never before been seen and at this point I
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doubt will ever be seen again, because we unfortunately are
in decline right now. And the reason that we are
in decline is because we have allowed the government to
teach us. We have trusted the government to teach its
citizens that they maintain the power, and we don't know
that anymore. And that's why, for instance, school choice, this
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is this new sort of new fan this is what's
going to solve all of our school problems. We're going
to have the money follow the child. A lot of
people like to like to say, so it's the government
funds that go to the parents for the education of
their children. Okay, two things. We already have school choice,
and it's not that. So you have the ability, whoever
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you are, to choose the school that your child attends.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It's on you.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Okay, so we have that already, But now they're calling
this thing school choice. This is government funded schooling, which
we have already, but it's directed by the parents and
it's overseen by some new government agency new for every state.
Let's say, every state has their own. So some of
the money gets siphoned off from the top because it
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goes through the federal government. Some of the money gets
siphoned off by the state and then the rest of
the money goes to the parents. And I will tell
you that I know parents who have used the money
to buy flat screen TVs and that's not the idea
behind it. So people actually understand what we're talking about
with the money follows the child, right, then they would
they would get their hackles up a little bit because
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that's not what this is. Right now, we're going through
a period where DOGE, the Department of Governmental Efficiency, is
discovering all of this mishandling of funds. Why do you
think that the government just distributing money to citizens is
going to solve the academic crisis that we have for
our students. It's absurd. But because we all went to school,
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we weren't taught discernment. We weren't taught to like look
behind the peak behind the curtain and see the wizard
behind the curtain pulling all the levers. It's it's absurd.
It's like saying food stamps will make people healthier. Uh,
check again, check again. Right, this is this is food
stamps for schooling and it's not going to work. And unfortunately,
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what it will do is it will governmentalize every private
school and you will no longer have your private schools.
So you private schools out there, I'm putting you on
a warning because you love this money, you want this money,
but you better understand you take it at your own
peril because they will put you out of business. They
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have no desire to see you succeed. Instead of a
government run school, they will governmentalize your school and make
it a government school.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, it's kind of like the success of Hillsdale College, right,
Hillsdale College refuse government money and look look at why
you know, all.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
The other colleges exactly, other colleges in this nation are
an example of school choice.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yes, right, well.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You're saying I don't even know if my child should
go to college because right, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, what are they getting? And even you know, the
thing is is that here we are on this technological
you know, bubble getting ready to explode, I mean, which
is going to be great AI and all the advancement
that's going on that's on the horizon, and our kids
are ill prepared for it right now. But thank god
for Donald Trump was at least focusing on it. You know.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
No, it's true the school by the way, like, can
we call them factory schools? I mean, seriously, there's no
outdated at this point. And they're preparing children for jobs,
which so I have my own problem with that because
I think that it's child abuse to tell a child
that his only value is how much money he can earn.
But set that aside. That's what they're telling children, college prep,
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career readiness, that's all about the money. But what they're
doing is they're preparing children for jobs that don't exist,
that won't exist anymore. And so while they're putting a
cap on the child's learning, because that's what schools do.
They discourage learning, they discourage the love of learning. They
turn out and people who are listening, no, when you left.
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Basically most people when they left school hated the whole
idea of learning and education and leave me alone. I
don't like it. And that's what they're doing to children today.
But they're doing obviously much worse because it's become so
much more abusive with the pornography and the rest of
the stuff that's happening in our schools.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
What are we really about now We're trying to prepare
children for jobs that won't exist, and we're not even
doing a good job of that. We say that we're
all about the academics. Clearly that's a lie because we're
not accomplishing academics. And so why are we still Why
are we still on this tread on this treadmill? And
the reason is because Bill, you and I went to
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school and we were taught that school is good. That's
what we were taught. In fact, by the way, if
you want any information, it's all in my book. I
should I just have to throw this up.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
There, Yes, please do that. Yes, it's the.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Parent's Guide to homeschool. And so I go through all
of these sort of points about what's wrong with our
schools as a way of empowering parents to understand. You parents,
you're enough. You're teaching your child to be an adult.
Is enough? Literally, it's enough. They need to know how
to read, how to write, how to do some math,
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and then basically how to be a human being. And
you've got that in space. You're a human being.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Look at that exactly. It's life experience. I mean, look
what's happening. Like you say, the homeschooling parents today, they're
not all PhDs. I mean, they run the spectrum. You
know of people who are absolutely valid educated, some having
graduated from high school, I mean successful, entire list, right, right,
and there's hope in growing about six to eight percent
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every year.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's right. And you don't have to know all you
have to Here's the thing, and I try to simplify
it for people because it's terribly daunting thinking that you're
somehow going to replace that red brick institutional building.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But the fact is this, if you can give your
child a love of learning and show them how to
learn exactly, that's really what it's all about. And so
if you don't know, you're actually in a better position
because as long as you're willing to show them how
to learn it, which you can do, then you will
put them on the path to success. And then they
will be empowered. Your children to learn anything that they need.
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At any point, they can go after any job they
want because they will know how to study up and
learn it before they get to the job.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Interview, Well, the critical learning skills are so much more advanced, Sam,
I mean because you're in an environment that is about education,
not in doctrination.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Like you said, Yeah, well, it's just much less onerous, right,
the school. And this again, this is all in my book,
the lies that the schools teach are children, that learning
is hard, that teaching is hard, and that teacher has
all of the information. The teacher has. Teachers have very
limited information. They know classroom management, that's the one thing
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that they excel in. But basically, the teacher, for the
most part, unless they've been teaching for a very long time,
has read the lesson plan the day before, and they
come in and they impart the lesson plan and then
you learn it, and somehow you think that, oh, teacher
knows everything and I can trust the teacher. Let's face
it went through a whole time period of trust the experts.
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How did that work out for us? Not very well.
But we did it because we were trained in school
to trust the experts. And I'm telling you that that
is faulty training. They've been doing this for decades. This
isn't new. This is just the latest iteration of a
flawed paradigm. And so there, the more parents that I
can empower to take your kids out of school, the
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better off you will be. And of course the better
I'll feel, because that's my whole paradigm. And I can't
tell you the number of parents who have come up
to me having heard me speak three years ago, four
years ago, whatever, and say, you know, I heard you speak,
and we took our daughter out the very next day,
and it's just been the greatest blessing on our family.
Or you know, you told my husband to take both
our boys out. We were only going to take one out,
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but he decided to listen to you. He felt that
it was right, and it's been the greatest thing for
our family and for the boys. They're just thriving and
they're so smart. And so that's that's the nugget that
people have a really hard time cracking, because they still
believe in school. And the reason they believe in school
is because they've been indoctrinated right through twelve thirteen years
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of believe in school. We are the greatest, We're the best.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, but look at the numbers of homeschool and kids.
How much better they perform than kids in public education? Sam,
I mean, forty.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Five percent better on the standardized tests.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Unbelievable. I shouldn't be unbelievable. But for some people, again
caught up in the tradition of the white coats, you know,
and the professionals telling us what we're supposed to believe
and what we're supposed to know. But the thing, sadly too,
with education has become more of a top down situation.
These there are some great teachers, but unfortunately they're hamstrung
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because the administration state of public Education says you will
teach this, and they don't have the flexible ability to
be able to say, hey, look at the classes moving
in this direction. They really need to learn this particular
element before something. No, you've got to stay with the plan.
If not, then you get marked down.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well, not only that, you have to stay with the
slowest student. So your exceptional learners forget about it. They're
disenfranchised right away. I was recently speaking to a group
and a woman came up to me afterwards, and she
had tears in her eyes because she is a public
school teacher, she's a Christian, she is ministering to the
kids in her care, and she also recognizes that everything
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I say is true, and so she's very conflicted because
she knows that she's doing a ministry for those kids,
but she also understands how harmed they will be by
this system at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Of it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It's a meat grinder. It's really terrible, and I don't
wish it for anybody's children. I can't save all the kids,
but if I can encourage parents to or empower them
at least to take their kids out of school and
at least give it a truck, I think that I
know that what they will see on the flip side
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is the difference between black and white and technicolor. We
think that we're setting ourselves up for some sort of terrible,
tremendous lift, that it's very difficult, that homeschooling is the
hardest thing ever. And I've actually long said if homeschooling
is hard, you're doing it wrong. Parenting is hard, Parenting
can be challenging.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Homeschooling no, no, no, no, no, Then you're doing it wrong because
it should be pretty easy. Kids love to learn, and
they only start to hate learning when they.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Go to school. As we wrap things up here, Department
of Education, Trump said, let's dismantle it. What do you see?
You know the next step. I know we've kind of,
you know, hit all this, But in terms of best
case scenario, what could you hope for that would happen
that Linda McMahon and our government would do on behalf
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of the kids.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, I think she believes at least that she needs
a majority two thirds in the Senate, which is sixty something,
and she won't have it right, And so I think
she thinks that she needs sixty but I'm not sure,
Like whatever that definition is, it's over. It's it's more
than fifty nine, and she doesn't have fifty nine if
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the Democrats all go one way. So so for her
to actually shut it down is there's a lot of
water that has to pass under that bridge. It's not
going to be a fast moving current. I think it's
going to be a slow boat, which is unfortunate. But
there's there are a lot of misconceptions out there, like
what about student loans, Well, student loans go through a
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completely different department.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Or a trillion of student loans exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, but the Department of Education itself is it's over
a trillion dollars a year. And I just want to
read you the mission Statement because I brought it up
to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by
fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access. So they get
an a for alliteration, because there's a lot of ease
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that they used at the beginning of their words. But
other than that, they're not hitting their mission target. So
I don't know what they think they're doing, and I
don't even know. I mean, I think that they would
be hard put to define how they would achieve the
screen achievement and the preparation. And by the way, like
that's the problem with all of these sort of quick
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fixes is somehow giving parents money will improve student outcomes.
That's not how it works. And you know, as educators.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
They ought to know that exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Linda's got Linda McMahon, who's been confirmed this past week,
has she has a lot of work on her plate,
and she's got a lot of convincing to do and
education of people if she wants to get the votes,
and I'm pretty sure she believes that she needs the
votes in order to actually shut it down. The things
that she might be able to do are just sort
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of curtail some of the programs that go through the
arment of education. But my concern is that they're not
actually going to save the money. They're actually going to
disperse it to different avenues and sort of. You know,
it's the great shell game of the government funding. So
you know, and we have yet to see Doge has
saved all of this money, but we have yet to
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see where those savings are going to be applied. I
think they've said that they're going to apply them to
the debt and pay off some of the debt, which
would be a step in the right direction exactly, and
then moving forward, of course, there would be savings year
upon year of those things, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well. Of course they teased us a little bit with
a dividend, possibly as well as them.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So which I think is, let's cut taxes. Let's do that.
But you know, so if that money is going to
go pay off the debt, then how about cutting taxes
also buy that amount exactly moving forward so that they
don't get their hands on that money at least maybe
okay maybe Anyway, I'm just saying like they've got a
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lot of work, and it's a Gordian k Nott and
so I don't, look, I don't I don't disparage her efforts.
Certainly there haven't been very many yet, so I'm I'm
rooting for her. I'm rooting for her.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Ye, work. I'm with you on that, Sam, we got
to leave it there. Thank you as always, Sam Sorbo
the family first, actress, writer, speaker, homeschool mom, and Sam
the website they can go to to find out more
about homeschooling and uh and find out about you and
that husband and unit of yours known as Kevin my
husband unit.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Go to Sorbostudios dot com Sorbo Studios dot com. Look
up the book. It's right there. Also, we have some
great events coming up. We're traveling to Greece with a
very small group, and I think we still have two
seats left, so feel free to reach out for that.
Go to the events page and look at that stuff
and we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Thanks Bill, Good to Sam, as always appreciate it. Take
care all right. You got a Sam Sorbo our guest
with us coming up next from The Washington Times is
the online opinion editor Cheryl Chumley joins us. Now, Cheryl,
welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Hi, it's great to be with you. Thanks well, welcoming.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I always love having this time together. A lot going on.
This is the time of year where March Madness takes
place and basketball, you know, raises some excitement, but there's
lots of march madness on college campuses, like what we're
seeing at Columbia.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah. And you know what the difference now though, is
compared to last time when Joe Biden was in the administration,
right when he was president, is that we actually are
seeing some action from this White House, from the Trump
White House. People are being arrested and they're being on masks,
so we get to see the faces of those protesters
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who go to great lengths to conceal their identities. And
you know, the latest is the Palestinian pro Palestinian really
pro terror group leader on Columbia campus was just arrested,
possibly going to lose his green card and so forth.
And this is great, We're seeing some action here.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
We have. The thing that's amazing, Cheryl is like, you know,
the the American people are going, why didn't we do
this earlier? Why have we put up with this? Why
have the presidents of these university universities have tolerated this
kind of outrage that has compromised I mean, you've got
these kids and families paying a boatload of money for
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their education and it's all being interfered with by these
territ pro terrorist groups.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah. I think those in America of sane mind, right,
who aren't the anti Semites, knew that when these protests
started first breaking out on college campus that it would
be very easy to clear them. Right. All you had
to do is imagine if these were protests wearing Maga
hats pro Trump hats, and they were inciting riots and
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so forth, Watch how quickly the Joe Biden administration and
the college administrators would have banded together to shut down
those those protests. But because the political will was missing,
that's why those protests were allowed to go forth for
so long. And now you know, the situation's change. We
have an administration in the White House that isn't going
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to shy from taking punitive measures against campuses that allow
this blatant anti Jew, pro terror group demonstrations to go forth.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well, it just seems a matter of common sense. And
I'm encouraged because I see this common sense not only
spreading at other campuses and universities, but around the world
where you know, and this is what leadership does. Leadership
can be contagious, can't it.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, And you know, it's a funny thing about readership. Right.
You don't have to have everything figured out in order
to enact great change.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
All you have to do is be firm insteadfast and
determined in your messaging. And then watch all the nefarious
forces fall, watch all the evil as they fly back
into their dark corners. And so this administration is basically
put out the message that they're not going to going
to put up with anti Semitic displays, and they've backed
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it with a little teeth, and so watch this year
is going to be very, very different on college campuses
compared to last year. It's the same type of narrative
that have really overnight shut down our borders, sent a
strong message. You know, nothing's really changed. We don't have
more money going into the border, we don't have more
agents hired. It's just the narrative. And it's been a
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complete one eighty.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well and it's been amazing what this president has done
in what fifty to fifty one days. It is just spectacular.
Half of the American people shutting the border overnight. And
then you look at those old tapes that Joe Biden says, oh,
you know it's broken. It's going to take a lot
of money and all this other stuff and it took
how many executive orders and look at the numbers. I
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mean dramatic, I mean night and day difference.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, it's not like all of a sudden we've hired,
you know, five hundred thousand more border agents and that's
made the difference. The big difference is the political will exactly.
You know this White House really, Donald Trump has surrounded
himself with some really great people this time around, and
they've all come equipped to hit the ground running, which
(34:39):
we've seen. You know, none of them are sitting in
their offices and we're sitting here as American citizens wondering
what they're doing. They're all out and about and we
see the actions that each of the cabinet secretaries are
taking and it's having a tremendous difference on America.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, it's kind of hard to not keep up with
your boss who lives on what three four hours of
sleep at night and you know he's he's sending out
a tweet at three o'clock in the morning. So whatever
sleep you're able to get, you better check your you
better check your ex account or your your truth social
account to find out, Okay, what what are my orders
(35:18):
for the day, right.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, America, the sleeping
giant has been awoken exactly right. We went from dead administration,
dragging around Joe Biden, watching him fall, call out dead people,
struggle to put his coat on, struggle to walk through
the beach sands, to a president who is just kicking it.
(35:42):
Like you said, in fifty one days, he's probably done
more than Joe Biden and Barack Obama did in their
twelve years combined.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So well, Joe Biden's still trying to figure out what
five things he did yesterday was past week.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Well, it's interesting the headlines you raised an interesting point
because you know that's part humorous, but now we're seeing
that his auto auto signature has been used. Yes, yeah,
so it's going to be very interesting as the days
go by when we start to get revelations about what
did Joe Biden actually sign on to and what was
being done behind scenes.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Well, the question remains who was actually president of the
United States. And it was shocking. I mean, you look
at the auto pen signature that was there, and the
only real signature that they could discern was the one
that made the announcement that he was not going to
run which was which was sited in Delaware, right, so
I guess the autopen wasn't available there.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah, And you know it's humorous, right, but we really
have to look look past the humor and see the
deeper message there that for four years, it's as we
suspected that the White House under Joe Biden was basically
he was a puppet president and there was a shadow
government that was actively pushing agendas that were contra American
(37:01):
citizens interests.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
And look what it costs. I mean it's not only
Joe Biden, It's a Democratic Party. This is why they're
in the wilderness and they should be and somebody at
some point, Pam Bondi Cash Mattel, the Justice Department needs
to come after because of the damage that they have
done to this country. I mean, part of the challenge
that Donald Trump has is coming in. He doesn't come
(37:24):
in with this nice trans peaceful transition, you know, from
one administration to the next. I mean, he's got a
mess of messes to clean up. And then on top
of that, we find out that Joe Biden on his
way out was disseminating almost a trillion dollars of assets
to his cronies.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, you know, Donald Trump does have a mess to
clean up, and he's doing a tremendous job though addressing
much of that. The big sticking point for this administration
I think is the court system, right, Yeah, so there
needs to be some address, maybe a couple judges in
pace each or something along those lines that make clear
(38:03):
to the judicial system that, you know, it's time to
stop overreaching and basically exerting will over an entire country.
But as far as fighting back and pushing back on
all the other agendas, you know, the Doze project alone
is just really revealing to American citizens so much of
(38:24):
the waste that we knew had been going forth, but
we just didn't know to what extent and in all
the different areas. And so that alone will do a
lot to cleaning up some of the corruption.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Well, what happens when the truth comes out? Everybody everybody's indictable.
It's not just government because what you've got, you know,
like they revealed in the Social Security checks, I've got
a person three hundred and sixty years old getting a
check supposedly come on, you know, and how many people
over one hundred, you know, millions of people over one hundred.
(38:57):
I mean, we're setting a record, you know, like Donald's
kind of kid RFK Jr. You know, during the joint
species is man. You know, we've already done a great job.
We got healthier people than we realize here in America,
you know, living so long, right, And.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I want to go back to what you said a
minute ago about Democrats being in the wilderness, because that
ties into what you were just saying that. You know,
it seems to me that this would be an easy
opportunity for Democrats to make to sort of unify over
a core principle that tax dollars should not be going
toward you know, corruption and toward wasteful things, both domestically
(39:37):
and foreign in foreign nations. But Democrats, they are so
far gone, they are so anti Trump that they can't
even get behind policies that really just root out waste
of tax dollars and rain those in. And it's it's
a little bit astonishing to see to what extents the
Democrats will go to resist this administration.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well, you have these eighty twenty propositions that are out
there that they're on the losing side time and again,
whether it's you know, men and women's sports. How they
you know, they demonstrated themselves during the joint session. They
couldn't even stand up for a young boy that had
brain surgery, a girl who got hit in the head
(40:22):
by a transathlete that will suffer for the rest of
her life. TBI, you know, the Hungary family and Lincoln
Riley family. They couldn't even acknowledge the pain and suffering
that these families have endured because of their policies and
the open borders that Joe Biden swung open. That we
(40:44):
have millions of illegal immigrants in this country that are
perpetrating crimes. And regardless of these sanctuary cities that want to,
you know, say something different and gas lightis on it.
The people who live there know better.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, And it's to the Democrat Party's detriment. Detriment, right though,
you know, I'm kind of kind of split on that,
because the lower the Democrats go, the deeper in the
mud they wallow, the better it is for Republicans and conservatives, right,
the better it is for us politically that you know,
independents and more moderate Democrats will vote for our candidates
(41:22):
over the radicalized Democrats. But look, there are a few
Democrats who are awakening to the radicalization of their party,
Gavin Newsom being the most notable and most recent and
when he came out and he said in his state,
you know, men cannot play in women's sports, boys cannot
play in girls' sports. That was a massive announcement, not
(41:45):
just to the Democrat Party that he was splitting from
on that on that particular platform, but also it serves
as sort of a heads up that this is the
guy that is going to run for president for the
Democrat Party, uh the next election.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, he's reading the polls. I mean, that's why he
had Charlie Kirk in his office and they did the
podcast and Charlie is telling him things. I'm almost thinking, Charlie,
don't tell him. Maybe in some respects it might be
you know, the wrong gospel, wrong church, that maybe he
just hears it, but it really doesn't take root. Because
what Charlie was sharing with him was very pragmatic. But
(42:24):
the Democrats, like you said, ideologically, they're so fixed and
lost that this is self imposed. And to be honest
with the Cheryl, I had predicted this to happen back
in twenty twenty. I thought that they were going to
lose so miserably in twenty twenty that it was going
to cause them to do some soul searching. Well, I
was off by four years. And you know here it
(42:46):
is because they have really imploded on themselves. And like
I said, everything the policies of Joe Biden, Joe Biden
as the full president of the United States, the damage
that we've had to endure, you've got to put it
at their But what concerns me, Cheryl I was talking
with another guest here earlier this week about this is that,
you know, this spirit of greed has come upon the
(43:08):
political class, and we got to understand it doesn't stay there.
It spreads into the electorate to where people think, well,
look at you know, Nancy Pelosi's making all this money.
What does it you know, what does it matter if
I if I take extra money, I don't pay my taxes,
or I have a check here that came in that
(43:29):
doesn't I shouldn't cash, but I'm going to catch it anyway.
And these people that have been cashing checks for years
on Social Security for a loved one that's been dead
for God only knows how long. I mean, you know,
this greed runs rampant, and that's what we need to
be careful, And I say be careful, we need to
be honest about it to where we if we're going
(43:49):
to get this country back on track, we've got to
embrace the truth like we've never embraced it before. And
I think that would make a huge difference and solve
a lot of problems. But it's going to take some courage.
It's going to take a lot of courage for the
Democrats to come from where they are and for citizens
of the United States to you know, what echoes to me.
(44:11):
And what brought this out was I was watching JFK's
inauguration They do that every once in a while, and
cycled in and his statement about as not what your
country can do for you, but what you can do
for the country. And what's happened is too many Americans
are living off the dole and the largesse of the
(44:31):
America hard working taxpayer and it's just not fair. And
this is what Doses is bringing out. And now how
are we going to reconcile all this because this is
going to cause some psychological damage, I believe.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
So it's an interesting question on many fronts because you know,
you talk about the entitlements, the entitlement mindset that's taken
route and spread in America, and that's only gotten worse
the more open our borders, right, because what we do
is we let in these people from countries where they
are used to their governments providing from cradle to grave,
(45:09):
and they come here with the same sort of mindset,
not respecting or aware of what American exceptional is exceptionalism is,
so they vote for those politicians that promise cradle to
grave entitlements as well, and then pretty soon everybody, as
you just pointed out, greed is a factor.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Greed.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Everybody wants their own. If my neighbor gets that, I
should get that too. It's only fair, and so it
sort of feeds on it, right, And the Democrat Party
has become the party of promising these big entitlement programs,
these big entitlement giveaways, because they don't have the principles
to get votes, to earn votes, so they have to
(45:51):
resort to gimmicks and giveaways as a way of securing
their power as securing their next elections.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
And the thing that discussed me most about this is
they use our money to do that.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Of course, it's very easy to give away other people's money.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Of course, but here it is, and it's no wonder
that forty percent of the electorate will vote for them
automatically because they're at the troth.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yeah, and so when you look, I like how you
brought up greed, because that's touching on the political system
is based on the culture, right you, and I notice
your viewers know this. It's all about the Bible, biblical
truths playing out. And if you don't have a citizenry
that's morally compassed from a higher power, then you're going
(46:36):
to get a corrupted political system, which is why we're
at where we're at in America right now. And so
in addition to greed, I think there's a great deal
of arrogance that goes along in pride in our political
class to sort of look down on citizens. Is if
we cannot no longer do for ourselves, that we need government,
That government is the only solution for all that ails.
(47:00):
And that's another way that our government grows beyond limits,
beyond proper limits.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Well, thank god our citizens exercise their own critical thinking
during COVID, or we all would have been dead, you know.
I mean, it's pretty scary I mean, you say, but
this is what this is the point we've come to.
But thank God for Donald Trump, thank God for Elon
Musk and Doge and what's being revealed to the American people.
(47:28):
And Okay, so now all this is coming out. So
what are you going to do with the truth? Now?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Well, it's interesting, right because a lot of us have
been fighting from the trenches for years and waiting for
the day when the politics would actually follow, you know,
the limits of the government that are rightly set out
in the Constitution, and so we have that in place
right now. But look, we can't just sit back and say, well,
(47:52):
Donald Trump's our savior, right, He's going to everything. All
we can do is look at Donald Trump and this
administration is sort of a four year reprieve. Right, We've
got a little breathing room, and now we can make
the real fight that needs to be made in America,
the one for God given rights and liberties. Right, it
doesn't matter who's in politics. We as individuals should be
(48:14):
taking our rights and freedoms from God. And in order
to do that, we have to read the Bible. We
have to teach our kids a Bible, and we have
to insist on Judeo Christian principles being upheld in our
political class, which starts with moral governance and then also
includes things like humble service to the people.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Exactly. Well, it's a time to re embrace, Yes, the Bible,
the Word of God, the basis, that's the first principle
of everything. And then go ahead and just read the
Declaration of Independence. I mean that in itself is liberating,
isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
You know you read we hold these truths to be
self evident right that we are endowed with certain unalienable
rights from the Creator. That's it right there. That's the
marketing orders for our government.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's about freedom. That is the thing freedom, and that's
where it all emanates from. It comes from God Almighty,
not from Donald Trump, as you said. And so we
are a very unique, exceptional country because of this. Cheryl Chumley,
as always, I'm so grateful for you and thankful that
(49:20):
you've given us the time to come on the show.
Cheryl Chumley is a online opinion editor for The Washington Time.
She's the author and host of Bolden Blunt podcast, and
she's just such a great job at the Washington Times. Cheryl,
how can people be in touch with you.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
You can find me on x at C. K. Chumley
or on substack at my name. Thanks for that, Bill Well, Cheryl,
thank you appreciate it. Take care, be blessed all right,
you too, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Again for coming on the show, Cheryl Chumley, and our
thanks also to Sam Sorbo who was here earlier talking
about homeschooling and the and the status of public education,
and you know, will America have what it takes in
order to you know, do something and maybe reorganize, maybe
(50:09):
not reorganize the public education, but dismantle it to where
we would have something more worthy of our country and
our future generations. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much
for being with us and sharing a part of your
day with us. Again. May God bless you, and may
God's face shine upon you. May His grace and peace
(50:31):
be upon you. Thank you for being with us. God
bless
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