August 25, 2025 • 50 mins
Keith Gross, legal analyst and former Assistant State Attorney and prosecutor for the State of Florida. He’s a business owner and author of Dirt Roads to Runways. It's a crossroads of Justice and Retribution. Without consequences the misbehavior is never corrected and only gets worse and acceptable. We’re talking the latest in targeted lawfare toward you and Trump, congressional investigation into the mental health of President Joe Biden and the "Auto Pen Pardons."
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hey glad you can joined us. Bill Martinez here and
we are live. Keith Gross is going to be joining
us in just a moment. And Keith is an attorney.
Incredible background. He's been on our daily show many many times,
and former you know politico type, He's gone through the
drill in all. His background is quite quite incredible here.
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He's a legal analyst and former assistant state attorney and
prosecutor for the state of Florida, and he served in
the National Guard, a business owner and author of dirt
roads to runways, and a potential I have to say
potential in air quotes here a political candidate. Maybe he'll
break some news and tell us more about that later on.
But we're going to be talking about, you know, how
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to treat your enemies, because as the Democrats are finding out,
and I guess they kind of understood, after all that
they put Donald Trump through for what almost ten years.
I mean, when you think about it, maybe you could
even go back longer than that. You had to know
that there was going to be some opportunity for what
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you might call retribution. I think some have noted that
maybe on a couple occasions on the campaign trail, Trump
had inferred as much. If he didn't outright say that,
but why shouldn't the Democrats be nervous because had the
terrible tables been turned, well, you got to know they'd
be all in for retribution. And so the Democrats are
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finding out and some of this stuff is quite interesting,
the way this retribution is playing out, because it's coming
back on themselves. Like what was the pastor Obama's pastor
had said about the chickens coming home to roost? And
that's exactly what seems to be happening with the Democratic
Party right now. But right now I want to bring
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on Keith Gross to the show. Keith welcome to the show.
Good to have you with.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Us, Good to be with you, Bill Well.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Keith, don't you love retribution? I'm I mean, the Bible
says you will reap what you sew, and the Democrats
are finding out the hard way. Although I don't know
that Republicans have the stomach or the audacity to do
the kind of things to a political candidate that the
Democrats have done to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, you know, I'm not even sure I would call
it retribution. I would call it accountability. I would call
it enforcement of the law. And when we look at
the last four years before Donald Trump was back in
the White House, they were targeted. Conservatives were targeted by
the left. You had state attorneys in New York and
that was their entire campaign, is I will get Donald Trump.
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Look at Fanny Willis and the way they indicted not
just Donald Trump, but people in his orbit who, many
of whom did nothing wrong, weren't even really accused of
doing anything wrong other than supporting the president. So it's
accountability time. They say, no one is above the law.
And ironically enough, the Conservatives that were targeted didn't do
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anything wrong, but these folks did. The folks that are
being targeted now, did commit serious crimes.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well you got Fanny Willis. You have Letitia mcevel that
I call her of New York, who you know, said hey,
you know, this is what I'm being elected for, which
you know they say, well, you're not supposed to do that.
Well she did. And the thing was surprising is why
New Yorkers would support that. I mean, what was done
Trump evil as a citizen in New York. I mean
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what he did in terms of you know, jobs that
he provided, what he did for the ice skating rink,
I mean, on and on. I mean he was a
philanthropist on many levels. And yes, I get it. Some
people you know have told me, Bill, you don't know.
You know, we did business with Donald Trump and this
thing went south and whatever, and there was bankruptcy laws
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and whatever that protected him. Well you know that's why
bankruptcy laws are there. And I'm sorry that you got
injured in everything, but by and large, even like this
big case that finally got thrown out which was absurd
from Erdawan five hundred million dollar judgment against Donald Trump,
which was such a joke, I mean was I mean,
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you're an attorney, Keith I mean, this whole process. What
they did to Donald Trump was a kangaroo operation.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It was a kangaroo operation. And it wasn't just one court.
You know this five hundred million dollars verdict that was
the one about his pre of mar A Lago, Right,
And it's unreasonable that the folks in the New York
court system thought they could substitute their idea of what
a reasonable value is for that of the market. They
were trying to find a way to frame Donald Trump
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for any wrongdoing they could. They made up crimes. They
did it in multiple courts. They passed a bill allowing
that crazy lady to accuse Donald Trump of sexual misconduct
and sue him in court, even though the statute of
limitations had long since passed. They passed a legislative act
specifically to target him right.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, and then on top of that, Keith, they came
and said, well, we don't find any judgment that there
was any sexual involvement, but we're still going to level
a judgment. What was an eighty million dollar judgment.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
For defamation because he said I didn't rape that woman. Yeah,
what else you're supposed to do when somebody makes a
false accusation, you say, no, I didn't. They're lying. And
then this woman sues him saying he defamed her character,
calling her a liar.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, Monica Lewinsky might want a little bit of that
eighty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I mean, you know, after all, there was a former
president who said he didn't have sex with that woman.
I don't know a blue dress as differently, But you know,
what can you say?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You know, it's a wild thing to see, Bill, But
I'm glad to see that the Trump administration is not
backing down. They are bringing accountability. There hopefully will be
some serious prosecutions.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
There needs to be, because this is what the American
people are looking for. I mean, the bottom line is justice, right,
people want, people want justice, and what's done to Donald Trump,
see people need and I get I think people are
starting to understand what was Donald done to Donald Trump
was done to we the people. You know, the millions
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of dollars, the lives that it cost, you know, with
all that they did to destroy his first administration. I
mean there's implications with COVID, even going back to Hillary Clinton,
what happened in ben Ghazi? You got the missing emails
and was there any association with those emails and the
death of an ambassador to our country. I mean, there's
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just so many questions that are left unanswered, and you know,
she was too big to jail, and I guess you
know that's the way it worked out. Because even James Gomi,
if you remember on that faithful night when he came
down with all his examination and as he's going down
through this list, I'm going, oh my god, he's going
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to indict her, and then all of a sudden he
makes a hard left and says, no reasonable prosecutor would
go after her. I mean, that's like it was almost
like from the same playbook that her used to justify
why he couldn't go after Joe Biden, right absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I mean they basically said, look, we got the evidence,
we saw that he committed a crime, but he's really old,
so we're not sure a jury's going to like the
idea of prosecuting someone who's old, and maybe he's mentally incompetent.
Therefore we just can't prosecute him. What we've seen for
a long time is when the Democrats are in power,
they let this stuff slide. If it's a Democrat that
does wrongdoing, they find some excuse not to prosecute it.
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But they took every step they could to try to
derail President Trump's next term. They tried to lock up
his friends, associates, attorneys, and everybody else that worked for him.
When the Democrats have the ball, they run it downfield
as fast as humanly possible, willing to break any rule
necessary to get the ball downfield. And when Republicans have
the ball for a long time in the past, they've
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moved it forward at a snail's pace, making sure to
cross all the t's, dot all the i's. They don't
want to hurt anybody's feelings. I'm glad Donald Trump is
finally running the ball down the field just as fast
as the Democrats would have they had it well.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And the thing is, could you imagine if Donald Trump
had everybody in the GOP in step with him? I mean,
as it is, as you say, he runs down the field,
and then he's got to stop, and he's got to
put a backbone back in these guys and give him
a spine, and then you get him back into play
against come on, follow me, you know kind of deal.
And he's clearly leading the way. But could you imagine
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how much better we would be if they were up
to speed with him, because he is moving at the
speed of light.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh yeah, if we had a Congress that would actually
pass his agenda without question, that would confirm all of
his nominees quickly. Yes, the president could be getting a
heck of a lot more done for the people, and
that's what the people wanted. You saw the people show
up at his rallies. They showed up and voted like
never before. They made sure that that election really was
too big to rig because we learned our lesson last time.
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Now we've actually got to get the work done. I
think the president is doing everything he possibly could, and
he needs a Congress to back him up.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, the thing that I love in terms of accountabilities
you said earlier, Keith, is that the contrast is quite obvious.
You know, whether it has to do with the legacy
media social media platforms, you know, the Democrat talking heads
like Adam Shift and Swallwell and Nancy Pelosi, go right,
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Hakeim Jefferies, go right on down the list. I mean,
they are so lost in the wilderness. They have really
done this to themselves. They destroyed their brand much the
same way that Dylan mulvaney did with bud Light, Right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, I mean the Democrats have latched on to the
most far left ideas that you can imagine. Now they're
outright backing a communist in New York City. It looked
like they were about to have a communist in Minneapolis,
but they've walked that back and said, turns out the
vote was rigged. They cheated. There was a lot of
irregularities in the machines and the ballots.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well imagine that. I mean, after all the research that's
being done on these machines and then they're determining Keith
that hand ballots. They're ninety percent cheaper to do it
that way than with these machines that are so easy
to rig. I don't know if you saw this one
technician who came on, but he did. He changed the
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the outcome of the machines with a ballpoint pen.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Absolutely. I mean, there's no reason we don't use paper
ballots with serial numbers. There's no reason we can't count
these things in one day. I mean, think about the
number of voters in most precincts. It's a lot smaller
than you would imagine. We can get this sort of
thing done. We don't need to let it be a
drawn out process full of cheating.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well, the Constitution says we're reserved one day, and now
you've got States going, oh, two weeks. I like two
weeks better than one day. Well, you know, the longer
term you have, the more opportunity and window for cheating
you allow. I mean, it's even like these mail in ballots.
I thought it was curious that Vladimir Puting. One of
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the things that he said to Donald Trump right away
in their recent meeting was you know, these mail in ballots.
You know that's the best way for you know, fraudulent voting.
Is why I think ninety percent of Europe doesn't do
mail in ballots, of not one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, the idea of that an operable concept
in the United States as long since past. That's something
you get to do in a high trust society, and
unfortunately America is moving away from being a high trust society.
We have people who think it's appropriate, even good, to
break the law, bend rules, and do whatever it takes
to get their agenda pushed forward. I mean, that's how
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it seems a lot of these Democrats operate. They think
that their mission is so righteous that they can lie,
cheat and steal to accomplish it. They don't value the
fact that other people disagree with them and that other
people are out voting them. They think other people are
just wrong and they know better. That's a terrifying idea.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, they're so ideologically fixed and their philosophy is so flawed.
But when you are in group think and you're siloed,
as Jordan Peterson says, you can, you know, you can
become so ideologically fixed that you render yourself stupid. And
this is sadly where the Democratic Party is right now,
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and it's unfortunate that that's where they're at. And I
say unfortunately because you know, for the most part, this
country is built on a two party system. But what
happens is when it's so adversarial. See, at the end
of the day, you can have two parties, but the
end of the day, you need to come together and say, hey, okay,
look we lost this time. You know, we'll work harder
next time and offer a better message to the people,
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and you know, hopefully we'll win next time. And then
we move on and uh, you know, support the smooth
transition into a new administration and support the president that
the majority of the country has chosen, right, whether it's
my popular voter or by the electoral college, but regardless,
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it's it's who we voted for, and we need to
get behind it. But unfortunately, you know, politics has become
so dirty. And I've said Keith that part of the
problem is is that, see, politics was always set up
in such a way that it would be downstreamed the culture. Okay,
so the culture would influence politics. But what's happened there
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was a switch that came over, and I'm not sure
exactly when, but it flipped to where culture is downstream politics,
and I believe that's contributing to the meanness that people
have toward one another and this incivility. The other thing
that you mentioned clearly is the fact that, you know,
I think our consideration for morality has fallen off as well.
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You know, John Adams said that our Constitution was designed
for a moral people, a moral and righteous people, and
we've lost that grip of morality and righteousness. I'm not
saying totally. I still believe a majority of Americans are
still moral, but there's still too many that are immoral
that think it's Okay, it's justified because you know, after all, Kate,
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you know that Donald Trump gut he's a fascist. He
is Adolf Hitler incarnate, and you know, we got to
do whatever we have to do in order that, you know,
we keep him out of the white at any costant.
Oh yeah, I mean, even if, even if an assassination
is necessary.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Right, it's pretty terrifying to see that. You know, you
talk about the divide between the left and the right
these days, and it seems like it's more of a
modern problem because we used to at least have major
agreement on most issues between the left and the right.
At the end of the day, we might disagree on
how to get there, but we all agreed that the
constitutional values needed to be upheld. Now we're seeing a
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left that has no interest in upholding constitutional values, and
they aren't a moral society. More often than not lately,
they aren't able to be governed in a way that
our constitution provides because they just don't honor the constitution.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, and they don't honor their fellow citizen. I mean,
because when you think, you know, here we have I
don't know ever in our lifetime, Keith, that there's been
so many what you would call eighty to fifteen ninety
ten type propositions, right, you know, whether we're talking the border,
whether we're talking about you know, sex and sports, sex
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in each other's locker rooms, transgender, I mean, go down
the list. I mean, these are like eighty five to
fifteen ninety ten types of issues. And the Democrats consistently
are on the short side of the deal. And you
think what I mean, when you come over for dinner
for Thanksgiving, it's hard to have a conversation. There's not
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many topics left to talk about that's not going to
tick you off. And have you thrown biscuits across the room?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You know what I'm saying, Well, sometimes maybe it's appropriate
to throw a few biscuits. Because folks need to get
good at talking about politics again. They need to understand
that their fellow man has a valid perspective, even if
it's different from them. But a lot of folks on
the left have taken up this idea that they need
to support the underdog. And now they think that supporting
literally anyone who goes against conventional society conventional values, must
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be that underdog who is worthy of their support. And
as a result, they end up going against American values.
I mean, that's what we're seeing in New York right
now with this mom dommy communist. They're saying, folks can't
afford bread, so therefore we need to confiscate private property,
run a government operated grocery store, and to heck with capitalism.
But that's a a crazy thing. I mean, why not
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just help these people succeed by getting the government out
of the way, reducing regulation and let them go earn
a living.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But yeah, without a doubt, you know, and you mentioned
the underdog. You know, we had this situation in Florida
where I live and not Fort not more than forty
five minutes from where I live up in Fort Piers,
where you had a licensed truck driver licensed from the
state of California. Oh, by the way, a commercial license,
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and he makes an illegal U turn. The guy barely
knows the language. When they gave him a language test
of the sixteen questions, I think he could only answer
three correctly. And Keith, I don't know, did you see this.
There was something like two point seven million or one
point seven but I mean, an incredible number of people
her championing his cause.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Was a pretty appalling to see that. You know, this
guy killed people by breaking our laws. He shouldn't have
been in our country at all. He was here illegally.
He never should have been given a license, but he was,
of course by some sanctuary state California. The real question
is why aren't these California politicians being prosecuted by the
federal government for aiding and a betting the illegal aliens. Instead,
the rest of us are stuck with a bunch of
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criminals who are taking our jobs, getting people killed on highways,
and they shouldn't even be here exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Keith, you're an attorney. I mean, is there any kind
of civil liability to where these families could go back
and go sue the heck out of you know, Governor Newsom.
Because Governor Newsom, I gotta tell you, I mean, I
was born and raised in California, and I saw when
this happened, you know, shortly after I mean nine to eleven,
I'm talking within ten years or so, you know, California
really went. They just they're so open minded, their brains
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fell out. And then Newsom comes in and here, you know,
right after nine to eleven, remember we everything you know,
heightened at airports, you had to have correct documentation, your
shoes were taking I mean they were taking everything off
of you in order to get on an airplane because
everything had to be you know, really tight security and everything.
And then what does Newsom do is that he signs
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an order a bill so that illegal immigrants can get
driver's license. So now they have access to airports and
airlines across the country. So what happened to our national
security and all because Governor Newsom wanted to give them
a driver's license? And then part two of that was, oh, yeah,
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anybody that has a driver's license get guess what they get.
We're going to send them a ballot.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
It's really a problem that Democrats want to selectively enforce
the laws. They don't like immigration laws, so they just
think they should be allowed to ignore them. And we
need to have federal prosecutions for these state governments that
allow aliens to take benefits like driver's licenses from states.
These are ultimately federally funded benefits for the most part,
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and the federal government should step in and enforce the law.
They should prosecute state politicians who issue these licenses. Your
original question, can the families who lost people due to
this illegal immigrants U turn. Can they sue, Yeah, they
can sue. Will they win? Probably not. Unfortunately, the government
has kind of rigged the cards against the people over
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the last few decades, and the concept of immunity has
been so broadened that it's virtually impossible to hold a
government official who even one who conducts serious negligence like
we're seeing with the California driver's license issuance, really hard
to hold them accountable and win that case in court
because immunity is just too broad. We need legislation about
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this to narrow the scope of that immunity. But more importantly,
we need the US Department of Justice to start locking
these people up because they are helping illegal aliens evade capture.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well. And these as you said, you know these illegal
aliens coming. First of all, they break the law, you know,
coming into our country without you know, proper authorization, and
they steal from the American people. I mean, who who
do you let into your home to come in and
start sealing stealing your groceries and seal food off your
table that is supposed to go to your kids. But
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on a larger scale, and you know, we're allowing them
to come in. I mean, this is so unjust, it's
not right on so many levels for even the immigrant.
And so what happens the Democrats here, they let them in.
They have to operate in the shadows. And it's almost
like we're back at the turn of the twentieth century again,
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where you had the rise of mafia's operating in these
cities because they had a lot of illegal immigrants in there.
And who could they go to. Well, I can go
to a mafia boss. Mafia boss will do my bidding.
I can't call the police. And so who do these
illegal immigrants go to. Well, they've got gang members now
that operate as their you know, quasi government and their
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police force to do their bidding. They're not going to
dial nine to one one. And so the Democrats in
their thinking go, well, they're not going to call nine
to eleven. So maybe we ought to do is we'll
turn our cities into sanctuary cities and everybody will be saved. Well,
how's that working for you? It's not so safe in
these sanctuary cities. This is why when Donald Trump is
doing what he's doing to bring these sanctuary cities back
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up to code again and have law enforcement. You have
these local citizens going, thank you, Donald Trump. I have
been able to take my kid to a park in
ten years.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It gets back to this idea that the left and
right are just unnecessarily divided. We should at least agree
that all of the laws need to be enforced. If
the folks on the left don't like the law, well
then try to change it in Congress. But you can't
just ignore the law and let a bunch of illegals
take over. That's that's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, well, you know, when we started we talked about,
you know, how retribution is working out. Some of it
is it's just a natural inertia of things. You know,
you can only do so much evil and eventually it'll
come back and get you. And this is what seems
to be happening, you know, particularly with the Democrats, and
it bothers me. Keith, I got to tell you to
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constantly be pointing fingers of the Democrats. And I know
some people say, well, the Republicans do it too. Well,
you know, it doesn't make it right. And even if
the republic whoever they are, they should be they should
be held into account if if there's you know, if
they've broken the law they should be. I mean, here
it is, you put Donald Trump through all kinds of
hell and what have you. And you know, even with
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this last judgment, the courts didn't even support Ernawan to
have one dollar substantiated of the five hundred million dollars
that he assigned to Trump. What does that say?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
The idea of equal justice has got to be restored.
And if that means holding a lot of these deep
state actors like John Bolton accountable, well I think that's
a good start in the right direction. It shouldn't matter
whose party you're in, what your political views are. If
you break the law, it should be enforced uniformly. In
the meantime, we've got a lot of progress happening. You know,
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there's progress happening on holding these people accountable. But we've
already seen the illegal immigrants that were coming across our
border stop. All it took was a new president. And
I said this all along during the campaign season. Everybody said, well,
we need this new bill or we need this new funding. No,
you just need a president willing to enforce the laws
that are already on the books.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Keith in one day, in one day, he turned the
border around Yep, like you said, there wasn't any big
act of Congress or anything like that. Man, We've been
waiting for Congress to act on immigration for how many years? Decades?
It's been going on and on, and they all they
can do is, oh, let's find a way to amnesty
these illegal immigrants, and going wait a minute, you don't
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even have a handle of this. You know, we have
an immigration system, it's pretty effective that allows for about
a million immigrants to come in and they do so legally.
They also do it in a way that is not
a burden on the taxpayer. You know, there's certain regulations
that have to have to be in line here. And
these people that come in like this, guess what they
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want to do, Keith. They want to assimilate. They want
to be a part of the American dream. And the
only way you can be part of the American dream
is you've got to be in the boat with the
rest of us, don't you.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
You've got to come to this country and join the
fabric of American society. You have to assimilate. You can't
do like these folks are doing in Minneapolis and try
to build mini Somalia up there. Change the state flag
called a prayer in what used to be a great
American city. I mean, they've totally tried to build their
foreign nation in Minneapolis, instead of joining a thriving community
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with manufacturing, great jobs. They could have joined all of
that adopted American values, and instead they insist in keeping
their third world paradigms and worse, trying to impose those
third world paradigms on Americans.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Exactly, Well, where's the leadership in Minneapolis, Keith, you know,
just like where's the leadership in Baltimore or DC? You
know where Trump has to come in and bring the
National Guard in and just like at the at the border. Yeah,
I mean, what has it been almost two weeks? Nobody's
been murdered in d C. People going to walk the
street and actually, like like one couple they were being interviews, said,
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you know, we're able to go out to dinner again.
We haven't been able to go out to dinner in
the longest time. We forgot what it was.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Like leftists have gotten so soft that they're allowing the
criminals to take over. That's the lack of leadership. It's
that these people have such a utopian, idealistic vision that
they are blind to reality. It sounds so nice not
to lock people up until you realize that when you
don't walk up bad guys, they hurt people. Law enforcement
needs to be given free rein to enforce the law,
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and prosecutors need to be directed to actually put them
in jail, not just let them out the back with
a slap on the wrist or a small cash veil.
We've seen that happen in all the blue cities all
over the country. The story just keeps repeating, and leftists
aren't standing up and saying, you know what, we were wrong.
Soft on crimes, a terrible idea, gets people hurt, they
still think they're right. It's the most illogical, insane thing
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I have ever seen.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, and this is why the people on the right
who have had success time and again, we need to
hold our ground, you know, and you know there's no apology.
I mean, what are we doing. We're saving lives here,
We're allowing people to enjoy their communities again, families to
thrive again. And where are they thriving? In these red states,
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not the blue states. The blue states. People are escaping.
I mean, you don't even want to stand at the
exit doors. And in these blue states like New York
and California. You're gonna get run over by U hauls
getting not a dodge.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yes, And you say blue states, and heck, if you
delete a few of those blue cities within each of
those states, it's a red state. Don't really even have
blue states in this country. We have a few bright
blue cities that either outvote or defraud the vote and
outweigh the rest of us. We shouldn't be ruled by
a bunch of blue cities.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, and it's the thing, you know, and basically, you know,
I read that is as a hint towards jerrymandering. I mean,
the Democrats have become you know, ten degree black belts
and jerrymandering. They've been doing this getting away with it
for over ten years plus. You know, Eric Holder was
like the jerry mandering czar for the Democratic Party, especially
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after he left the Biden and the Obama administration. And
you know, and so now Republicans have woke up, thank
you very much, Donald Trump, and said, hey, guys, you
don't need to roll over anymore. I mean, you know,
to the victor belong to spoils, and we need to
level out the playing field here. You can't have forty
five percent of a state voting Republican and getting zero
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seats representation. I mean, it's like the illegal immigrants have
better representation than forty five five percent of the citizens.
How does that math work out?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Keith, No, That's exactly the problem with the Democrat Party
is they scream and cry and accuse, and in reality,
they are the ones who have been jerrymandering these states
for decades.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It's not just one or two states, it's a dozen
states where it's more than thirty or forty percent of
the vote is Republican, but zero of the congressional seats
are Republican seats because they have jerrymandered the heck out
of those states for decades. Now you finally see a
state like Texas stepping up and working to fix that,
in a state like Florida threatening to, and the Democrats
(29:36):
are up in arms saying it's just unbelievable that the
Republicans would do this. They don't want to admit that
they've been doing it for decades.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, and it ticks me off, Keith frankly and putting
it moldly that they of course they right away knee
jerk throw the race card out. They're being racist. It's
all designed, you know, to oppress blacks. And when you
look at how the design of the map is being
reconstructed in Texas, for example, it's very fair. It actually
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opens up, I believe, two seats or you know, for
black representation, if the people locally so choose, you know,
for a black representative, right. I mean, if it had
been the Democrats and said, oh, we're going you think
they're going to open up seats for Republicans, I haven't
heard one time where they've opened up his seats. And
the only time seats get opened up on some of
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these blue states is because there's an outside supposedly an
independent commission, like they have in California. And but yet
some of these outlines of these states, I mean, it's hysterical.
I mean, I think the Democrats are going to rue
the day that they brought this up to issue, because
now it's being scrutinized. The voter is starting to see
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this themselves and they go, oh, now I get it.
I understand now why certain legislation is coming down the
pike the way it is and why it's so biased
is because we really don't have a voice here, we
don't have a rep we don't have any representation. And
when you're talking like you said, thirty five forty five
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percent of the electorate with zero representation, you know, I'll
tell you that makes for a lot of unhappy campers.
I would think Keith for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And we're seeing the misuse of the Voting Rights Act
by Democrats for exactly what it is lately. And courts
have been striking down these challenges like they did recently
in Florida where they struck down a challenge or redrawing
the map and they said it was, you know, not
appropriate under the Voting Rights Act, that it was racist.
But the reality is Democrats have been enslaving and abusing
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black Americans since hundreds of years now, and here they
are using them again, throwing a race card out, trying
to say that that's the reason Republicans can't redraw districts,
even though it would be a fair map drawing in
any other sense. It's the same reason that Democrats oppose
voter ID when it comes to voting in person, they say, well.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What is keith percent issue? Say voter ID, Yes, we
support that, but again, eighty twenty give me twenty percent.
That's where the Democrats are at.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It's crazy, It's really wild. You know, it should never
be controversial in America that you need to prove that
you're a US citizen and that you are who you
say you are to cast a ballot to control the
outcome of our country. It's one of the most sacred
things you get to do as a citizen. It needs
to be protected.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, it's it's the consent of the government. How do
you claim you have the consent of the govern if
you've stuffed a ballot box, you've done away with free
and fair elections. I mean even in California, for example,
Judicial Watch just got a decision and this was they
had three million voters, Keith, three million voters that were
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on their voter roll that were dead. They're dead. Okay,
Now you would think, okay, these guys are dead, we
need to take those three million. Oh no, they fuss.
They've thought they were able to get you know, one
point five million off the voter road because there's still
not convinced the other one point five or dead, you know.
And the other thing is that it's interesting because only
in California you can die a Republican and come back
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and vote a Democrat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I've seen some bumper stickers around my town here in Florida,
and that's that's what some of these bumper stickers say.
They say, Hey, when I die, don't let me vote Democrat.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But you know, but you know, it's it's funny. But
on the other hand, it's affecting the body politic, it's
affecting policy. You know, look at what happened. You know,
Joe Biden's in there for four years. You mentioned, you know,
you get the Robert Hurr report says the guy's incompetent,
he's mentally deficient. He couldn't handle a you know, a
(33:45):
courtroom environment, he couldn't handle a judicial process. And then
what do they do. They send him back to the
Oval office with the nuclear codes. It's like, hey, come on,
give me a break. You need to put a bag
over this guy's head, take him to Delaware and leave
him and give him his soup, you know, three times
whatever it is, I mean, the guy, I mean, you've
got a special prosecutor who spent all this time interviewing
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him and the conclusion is he's he's a hot mess.
And we go, oh, but I guess he's not hot
mess enough, so we're just gonna let him go and
finish out the last to what the last two years
or one and a half years of his administration, and
then look what happens, you know, then we get the
mad auto pen in the last what month and month
half of his administration that you know they're looking at
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that God only knows how many of those could probably
be null and void, including which I would love, you know,
doctor Fauci, and all the stuff that he put us through.
And then you know the hundreds of thousands of people
that died based on his advice and counsel that he
knew so much about right.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And the freedoms that we lost because the one operated
like a band of tyrannical crazy people. They thought it
was okay to override the Constitution and ignore all of
our rights in the name of public safety, supposedly based
on fake advice, bad science, and concealed reality. So I'm hopeful,
like I think a lot of us are, that we'll
see some real accountability for the end of Biden's term
(35:13):
and the fact that people use the auto pen effectively
stealing the power of the presidency without his authorization, knowledge
or mental capacity. I hope we'll see some investigations into
the failure of the cabinet to enact the twenty fifth
Amendment that they had a duty to do. They swore
an oath to us, to the people, to uphold our constitution.
But when it came time to call out the fact
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that we had a mentally incompetent person sitting in the presidency,
they didn't do that. They let it slide. If a
Republican had done the same thing, it would be you know, meltdown.
But they did it, and they think we're just supposed
to move on and forget. I don't, like I said,
I wouldn't call this retribution. I would call this do accountability.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right. Well, Keith, you know the thing is, go back
toward the last year of Donald Trump. It was Nancy
Pelos that was championing the twenty fifth Amendment, right she
was trying to force that into issue to have that employed,
and was challenging the cabinet, Donald Trump's cabinet to employ
the twenty fifth Amendment, claiming that he was you know,
(36:14):
mentally deficient, you know, back then. And it's just just amazing.
So here it was, and I remember when she did that,
I said, this could come back and haunt them. But
of course, the Democrats being who they are, like you said,
you know, a Republican, if they do something that is unacceptable,
they can't get them out of there fast enough. But
if it's a Democrat, boy, the wagons circle around them.
(36:38):
They stand alongside. You know, whether it's Hillary Clinton's you know,
thousands of emails they got lost that you have no
idea what happened to them. But I think that you know, again,
if it ever really comes out, because she managed to
destroy and you know, as an attorney, I mean she
destroyed evidence.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Keith's a pretty serious deal and we never saw accountability
for that. Unfortunately, we probably never will because so much
time has passed. But Democrats they do the same thing
every time they all come out. They say the same thing,
like they're reading from a script. And the next thing
they do is try to shift the narrative, usually by
accusing Republicans of whatever it is they were just doing.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh they project, Yeah, there's no doubt, Keith. The deal
is is that you know, here we are. You know,
we've been talking for almost forty minutes here, and there
is so many things that they need to be held
accountable for. And it's like, can the people keep up
with it all? Because whether we're talking, you know, what
Obama did during the transition and even before then, what
(37:38):
he did with the tea parties, I still maintain that
he and lowist Learner have affected at least nine votings.
I mean, you talk about voter interference. What they did
by not giving tax exemption, which was a routine exercise
for the IRS to do for nonprofit organizations. But Obama,
just like LBJ did back in the mid sixties about churches,
(38:00):
Obama said, no, we got it, we got it. We
can't let these people have this kind of force and energy.
You cannot, you know. He kind of wink winked at
Lois Learner and look what she did, you know, and
she got in the way, interfered. And that still hasn't
been rectified. And I still say at least nine voting
cycles in counting that it affected. I mean, that is
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voter interference on its face. So to think that Obama
was above doing the kind of things that have been
reported in terms of what he did to Trump, it's
not far fetched. I mean, it's consistent with his character
I would think.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, and there's only so much you can do to
go back in history and try to right wrongs. But
I think Donald Trump is prioritizing things. He's got a
lot of really smart people working in his administration. They're
working around the clock, and they're moving things. They're not
afraid to disrupt the status quo. I mean, look at
what they did with USAID and now suddenly Antifa's out
of money and the Democrat Party's not getting donations. I mean,
(38:59):
I think they found ahead of the snake and they
cut that off. So I know they're working down the chain.
They're working towards the rest of these problems that still exists.
And maybe four years isn't long enough to get real
change on every front, but I know they're going to
get the high points. They're going to get the biggest
things that we need to get done. And that's more
than we've ever had before. So I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Well, this is why I said one of the reasons
why I said that we had to look at four
plus eight, you know, four years of Trump, eight more
years of a Republican And the thing is is it's
kind of been a gift that the Democrats have given
to the American people by you know, by getting lost
out in the wilderness. Right now, they're stranded because they've
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abandoned who they are. They don't know who they are,
and in their desperation, they're just going more and more left.
And you know, here the American people have already spoken
time and again. Walk doesn't work. I don't care if
you're talking bud Light, Disneyland. I mean the billions of
dollar probably, I mean you started adding it up, be
(40:02):
trillions of dollars that these businesses have lost under this
these woke policies and DEI and that and the Democratic Party,
and you bring up something that you know, no one
has said before, but I think you're spot on, Keith,
and that is in talking about this money like that
was going to USAID and these other entities, how that
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was coming back to the Democratic Party. And interesting you
choke off that part of the snake. And look at
their fundraising. What are they won eighth one seventh of
what the Republicans are right now in fundraising?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Pretty wild to see, and there is still a lot
of progress to be done. And like you said, I'm
looking at it that way. I'm looking at it in
hopes that we're going to have eight years of a
jd Vance administration. Right, the Democrats made a big mistake.
They came for Donald Trump and they missed. They gave
him four years to plan, four years to prepare and
find good people, knowing how underhanded the Democrats are and
(41:02):
knowing how rough it's going to be. So now he
went back into office knowing all the dirty tricks they're
going to try to pull, and instead of getting distracted
trying to defend against their ridiculous allegations, this time he's
just ignoring it, rolling on and doing the work he
wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
The real thing the Democrats aren't ready for is jd
Vance because he's seen all of this happening. He is
whipped smart, He's a brilliant attorney. Right. He is going
to get in there and be more ruthless than the
Democrats can possibly imagine. If they think Donald Trump's hard
to deal with, wait till they get jd. Vance, because
he's going to take the He's going to take that
tour from Trump and keep running.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well, you imagine the playbook that Trump has developed over
these years, Keith, It's impressive, and he's going to hand
that off to the next administration. I mean, you talk
about White House secrets, you know that Trump has that
are just hey, this is what they do. This is
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the playbook, don't you know, stay the course. And that's
the thing that I appreciate that you you just brought
out about Trump. He is he is dead eye focused
on this. You know, he doesn't seem I mean, he
still he still loves to troll the media. I think
it's amusement for him at times. And I get and
I get it some Republicans they get nervous about it.
I said, look, he's just having fun, don't you know.
(42:20):
Just relax. You know, politics, even in the midst of
this insanity, can can still be fun, can it, Keith.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
It definitely can. And he seems to have fun with it,
like he point. I mean, he says it out right,
he says, you know, it's called we're gonna go do
a little trolling. And he goes to something just to
get him wound up. And it's really fun to watch
him get going after he goes and winds them up.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Well, And it's a little bit easier to have fun
when you're winning, yep, right, And I mean at every turn.
I mean, we just we just keep on winning. And
that's why you know, these these socialists, when they come
in and they try to do something, you might have
a bit of a falling like mom Donnie has in
New York, and it's like, what a train wreck that
that's going to be. I mean, already these businesses are
(43:00):
not participating. They're looking at an exit. I mean, if
you were, if you were a corporation in New York,
I mean you're looking for you're looking for an exit
plan or plan B. Because if this guy gets into office,
I mean here he is. I mean government, government stores,
grocery stores, I mean grocery stores there in New York
(43:21):
lucky at one and a half two percent. They operate
on a margin. Government doesn't know about one and a
half or two months.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
No, they're going to lose money, but citizens are going
to think it's great. They're going to see discount groceries
and think that's awesome. They're not going to see the
fact that massive tax revenues are offsetting the losses behind
the scenes, and they're not going to care because they're
probably not the ones paying those taxes. But what it
is going to do is run all the people who
pay the taxes out of town.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right exactly. And the thing is, you know, it's interesting
because when it came up, it was not that long
afterwards that in Missouri they had a government run store
and they were showing how it was shutting down and
all you saw was a bag of I think hot
dog buns on the shelf, one one bag. So it's like,
so much for that success. But you know, the thing is,
like like anything, you always want to look at a
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what's what somebody has done, tells you what there's what
they're going to do. And communism is the same way.
Socialism is the same the same way. You look back
in history and you can't even recount one one country
that said socialism was the best thing that ever happened
to me as opposed to capitalism, for example, because that's
really what the war is all about. It's either going
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to be capitalism or it's going to be socialism or
socialism light, or some derivation of an ism that they
that they have to offer. And you know, they may
they may get exactly what they're asking for and have
to find out that gravity still exists, right they might.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You know, folks are dying to come to America from
communist and socialist countries, not the other way around, generally speaking.
And it's just like crime, it's about incentives. If you
incentive as something, you get more of it. If you
disincentivize or punish something, you get less of it. What
do you think is going to happen in a capitalist
society when you take away the incentive that if you
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go out build a business and earn good money, you
get to keep that money and you know, enjoy the
fruits of your labor. You take away the fruits of
the labor, there's no point in doing the labor anymore.
And that's how pretty much every communist country in history
has fallen apart and starved its citizens because people just said, well,
if I'm not going to get anything for doing all
this work, why work I get the same amount off
I don't work?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well exactly, Well, that's like you know, unions. That's why
unions have, you know, in terms of the private sector.
You know, at one point there were about thirty three
percent of the labor for us. I think it's down
to less than ten percent. And so where did they grow?
They grew in government. And that's why it's so hard
in some cases to do the things that Elon Musk
(45:50):
and Doge proposed because you had to deal with unions,
and you know, and it's it's it's tedious. But I
love what Trump is doing in terms of give hope
to the American people, Keith, and I know you do too,
because it's about having a fair shot at it, you know,
and also to be able to keep the fruit of
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your labor and all your hard work right.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Absolutely, and talking about these unions in government, I mean,
that's just about restoring the constitutional order. The idea that
a union can override the constitutional authority of the executive
branch head the president in hiring and firing. That's just
an anti constitutionalist idea. No contract can override the Constitution,
that is the supreme law of the land. We need
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to have more people on the bench who understand that
and who will start to uphold the constitutional provision against
invalid laws and some invalidating laws that conflict with the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And we need to send people to Congress who believe
the same thing, Keith. We can't have wishy you know, Republicans,
you know, spineless legislators who go in and want to
you know, you know, be invited to cocktail parties and
be more interested in getting re elected than doing the
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people's business. We've had too much of that. You know,
we have an opportunity right now. We're seeing the truth
of the matter, and we have an opportunity to correct course,
as you say, and hopefully the American people can follow
Donald Trump's lead. And if you lack a spine, find
your spine, whatever it is that you need to do
in order to turn this country around and to turn
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over to the next generation, and America that's greater than
it's ever been. And here we are. I think the
potential is there, Keith, with you know what we're doing
with tariffs and what Trump is doing with peace. I
don't know how long this thing can last, but why
not make the most of it while the sun is shining,
I'd say.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Bill, I think it's going to last. This is the
generation where we can start to restore the freedoms that
have been lost over the years, where we can push
back against government regulation, and where we can push back
against the bat foreign trade deals that America has been
stuck with for a long time. We've finally got a
president who is only worried about one thing, and that
is caring for Americans. He's not worried about being looked
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upon kindly by the rest of the world. He cares
about taking care of Americans, and that's what a president
should do. So now we need to make sure that
the people in Congress back him up pass laws to
support his agenda. And I think that's going to keep happening.
It's not just right now. When you look at the
voting demographics with the young kids, now twenty year olds
are voting more conservatively than seventy five year olds. They've
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seen the downside of a tyrannical government. They've seen excessive
bureaucracy in action, and they know we need less government
in our lives if we want to have freedom.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Well, Keith Grocer're awesome, Thank you. I appreciate your insight
and encouragement. And I understand you may be running for office.
Can I say that, Well, I haven't announced yet.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
I'm not ready to make any announcements, but I certainly
haven't ruled it out. You know, I've been asked to
run and it's definitely not ruled out at this stage.
I live up in the Florida Panhandle, as you probably know,
infessional district too, and I'll say it's not ruled out.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well, that's I'll take that bit of good news and
bit of encouraged by our audience. Will as well. Keith Gross,
legal analyst, former assistant state attorney and prosecutor for the
state of Florida. You've served in the Montana National Guard.
He's a business owner, he's the author of dirt roads
to runways. And we'll wait and see if he is
and becomes a political candidate for the Panhandle there in
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District two in Florida. Keith, we need you.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
We need a lot of work to be done in Congress,
and right now we see a lot of fancy dinner
parties and a lot of folks that want to keep
their jobs rather than do it. I think it's time
to get some change, get some energy up there, and
get things.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Done well again. Keith, thank you so much for being
with his stake care. Be blessed you. Keith Gross has
been our guest. I'll tell you what. Just appreciate his
insight and his experience and what we're able to talk about.
I hope you've been blessed by the conversation. And that's
going to be a wrap for us. Thank you. May
God bless you and keep you. May make His face
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shine upon you. May He be gracious unto you and
give you peace. God bless
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hey glad you can joined us. Bill Martinez here and
we are live. Keith Gross is going to be joining
us in just a moment. And Keith is an attorney.
Incredible background. He's been on our daily show many many times,
and former you know politico type, He's gone through the
drill in all. His background is quite quite incredible here.
(01:02):
He's a legal analyst and former assistant state attorney and
prosecutor for the state of Florida, and he served in
the National Guard, a business owner and author of dirt
roads to runways, and a potential I have to say
potential in air quotes here a political candidate. Maybe he'll
break some news and tell us more about that later on.
But we're going to be talking about, you know, how
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to treat your enemies, because as the Democrats are finding out,
and I guess they kind of understood, after all that
they put Donald Trump through for what almost ten years.
I mean, when you think about it, maybe you could
even go back longer than that. You had to know
that there was going to be some opportunity for what
(01:43):
you might call retribution. I think some have noted that
maybe on a couple occasions on the campaign trail, Trump
had inferred as much. If he didn't outright say that,
but why shouldn't the Democrats be nervous because had the
terrible tables been turned, well, you got to know they'd
be all in for retribution. And so the Democrats are
(02:05):
finding out and some of this stuff is quite interesting,
the way this retribution is playing out, because it's coming
back on themselves. Like what was the pastor Obama's pastor
had said about the chickens coming home to roost? And
that's exactly what seems to be happening with the Democratic
Party right now. But right now I want to bring
(02:25):
on Keith Gross to the show. Keith welcome to the show.
Good to have you with.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Us, Good to be with you, Bill Well.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Keith, don't you love retribution? I'm I mean, the Bible
says you will reap what you sew, and the Democrats
are finding out the hard way. Although I don't know
that Republicans have the stomach or the audacity to do
the kind of things to a political candidate that the
Democrats have done to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, you know, I'm not even sure I would call
it retribution. I would call it accountability. I would call
it enforcement of the law. And when we look at
the last four years before Donald Trump was back in
the White House, they were targeted. Conservatives were targeted by
the left. You had state attorneys in New York and
that was their entire campaign, is I will get Donald Trump.
(03:14):
Look at Fanny Willis and the way they indicted not
just Donald Trump, but people in his orbit who, many
of whom did nothing wrong, weren't even really accused of
doing anything wrong other than supporting the president. So it's
accountability time. They say, no one is above the law.
And ironically enough, the Conservatives that were targeted didn't do
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anything wrong, but these folks did. The folks that are
being targeted now, did commit serious crimes.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well you got Fanny Willis. You have Letitia mcevel that
I call her of New York, who you know, said hey,
you know, this is what I'm being elected for, which
you know they say, well, you're not supposed to do that.
Well she did. And the thing was surprising is why
New Yorkers would support that. I mean, what was done
Trump evil as a citizen in New York. I mean
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what he did in terms of you know, jobs that
he provided, what he did for the ice skating rink,
I mean, on and on. I mean he was a
philanthropist on many levels. And yes, I get it. Some
people you know have told me, Bill, you don't know.
You know, we did business with Donald Trump and this
thing went south and whatever, and there was bankruptcy laws
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and whatever that protected him. Well you know that's why
bankruptcy laws are there. And I'm sorry that you got
injured in everything, but by and large, even like this
big case that finally got thrown out which was absurd
from Erdawan five hundred million dollar judgment against Donald Trump,
which was such a joke, I mean was I mean,
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you're an attorney, Keith I mean, this whole process. What
they did to Donald Trump was a kangaroo operation.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It was a kangaroo operation. And it wasn't just one court.
You know this five hundred million dollars verdict that was
the one about his pre of mar A Lago, Right,
And it's unreasonable that the folks in the New York
court system thought they could substitute their idea of what
a reasonable value is for that of the market. They
were trying to find a way to frame Donald Trump
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for any wrongdoing they could. They made up crimes. They
did it in multiple courts. They passed a bill allowing
that crazy lady to accuse Donald Trump of sexual misconduct
and sue him in court, even though the statute of
limitations had long since passed. They passed a legislative act
specifically to target him right.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, and then on top of that, Keith, they came
and said, well, we don't find any judgment that there
was any sexual involvement, but we're still going to level
a judgment. What was an eighty million dollar judgment.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
For defamation because he said I didn't rape that woman. Yeah,
what else you're supposed to do when somebody makes a
false accusation, you say, no, I didn't. They're lying. And
then this woman sues him saying he defamed her character,
calling her a liar.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, Monica Lewinsky might want a little bit of that
eighty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I mean, you know, after all, there was a former
president who said he didn't have sex with that woman.
I don't know a blue dress as differently, But you know,
what can you say?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You know, it's a wild thing to see, Bill, But
I'm glad to see that the Trump administration is not
backing down. They are bringing accountability. There hopefully will be
some serious prosecutions.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
There needs to be, because this is what the American
people are looking for. I mean, the bottom line is justice, right,
people want, people want justice, and what's done to Donald Trump,
see people need and I get I think people are
starting to understand what was Donald done to Donald Trump
was done to we the people. You know, the millions
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of dollars, the lives that it cost, you know, with
all that they did to destroy his first administration. I
mean there's implications with COVID, even going back to Hillary Clinton,
what happened in ben Ghazi? You got the missing emails
and was there any association with those emails and the
death of an ambassador to our country. I mean, there's
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just so many questions that are left unanswered, and you know,
she was too big to jail, and I guess you
know that's the way it worked out. Because even James Gomi,
if you remember on that faithful night when he came
down with all his examination and as he's going down
through this list, I'm going, oh my god, he's going
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to indict her, and then all of a sudden he
makes a hard left and says, no reasonable prosecutor would
go after her. I mean, that's like it was almost
like from the same playbook that her used to justify
why he couldn't go after Joe Biden, right absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I mean they basically said, look, we got the evidence,
we saw that he committed a crime, but he's really old,
so we're not sure a jury's going to like the
idea of prosecuting someone who's old, and maybe he's mentally incompetent.
Therefore we just can't prosecute him. What we've seen for
a long time is when the Democrats are in power,
they let this stuff slide. If it's a Democrat that
does wrongdoing, they find some excuse not to prosecute it.
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But they took every step they could to try to
derail President Trump's next term. They tried to lock up
his friends, associates, attorneys, and everybody else that worked for him.
When the Democrats have the ball, they run it downfield
as fast as humanly possible, willing to break any rule
necessary to get the ball downfield. And when Republicans have
the ball for a long time in the past, they've
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moved it forward at a snail's pace, making sure to
cross all the t's, dot all the i's. They don't
want to hurt anybody's feelings. I'm glad Donald Trump is
finally running the ball down the field just as fast
as the Democrats would have they had it well.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And the thing is, could you imagine if Donald Trump
had everybody in the GOP in step with him? I mean,
as it is, as you say, he runs down the field,
and then he's got to stop, and he's got to
put a backbone back in these guys and give him
a spine, and then you get him back into play
against come on, follow me, you know kind of deal.
And he's clearly leading the way. But could you imagine
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how much better we would be if they were up
to speed with him, because he is moving at the
speed of light.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh yeah, if we had a Congress that would actually
pass his agenda without question, that would confirm all of
his nominees quickly. Yes, the president could be getting a
heck of a lot more done for the people, and
that's what the people wanted. You saw the people show
up at his rallies. They showed up and voted like
never before. They made sure that that election really was
too big to rig because we learned our lesson last time.
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Now we've actually got to get the work done. I
think the president is doing everything he possibly could, and
he needs a Congress to back him up.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, the thing that I love in terms of accountabilities
you said earlier, Keith, is that the contrast is quite obvious.
You know, whether it has to do with the legacy
media social media platforms, you know, the Democrat talking heads
like Adam Shift and Swallwell and Nancy Pelosi, go right,
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Hakeim Jefferies, go right on down the list. I mean,
they are so lost in the wilderness. They have really
done this to themselves. They destroyed their brand much the
same way that Dylan mulvaney did with bud Light, Right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, I mean the Democrats have latched on to the
most far left ideas that you can imagine. Now they're
outright backing a communist in New York City. It looked
like they were about to have a communist in Minneapolis,
but they've walked that back and said, turns out the
vote was rigged. They cheated. There was a lot of
irregularities in the machines and the ballots.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well imagine that. I mean, after all the research that's
being done on these machines and then they're determining Keith
that hand ballots. They're ninety percent cheaper to do it
that way than with these machines that are so easy
to rig. I don't know if you saw this one
technician who came on, but he did. He changed the
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the outcome of the machines with a ballpoint pen.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Absolutely. I mean, there's no reason we don't use paper
ballots with serial numbers. There's no reason we can't count
these things in one day. I mean, think about the
number of voters in most precincts. It's a lot smaller
than you would imagine. We can get this sort of
thing done. We don't need to let it be a
drawn out process full of cheating.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well, the Constitution says we're reserved one day, and now
you've got States going, oh, two weeks. I like two
weeks better than one day. Well, you know, the longer
term you have, the more opportunity and window for cheating
you allow. I mean, it's even like these mail in ballots.
I thought it was curious that Vladimir Puting. One of
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the things that he said to Donald Trump right away
in their recent meeting was you know, these mail in ballots.
You know that's the best way for you know, fraudulent voting.
Is why I think ninety percent of Europe doesn't do
mail in ballots, of not one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, the idea of that an operable concept
in the United States as long since past. That's something
you get to do in a high trust society, and
unfortunately America is moving away from being a high trust society.
We have people who think it's appropriate, even good, to
break the law, bend rules, and do whatever it takes
to get their agenda pushed forward. I mean, that's how
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it seems a lot of these Democrats operate. They think
that their mission is so righteous that they can lie,
cheat and steal to accomplish it. They don't value the
fact that other people disagree with them and that other
people are out voting them. They think other people are
just wrong and they know better. That's a terrifying idea.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, they're so ideologically fixed and their philosophy is so flawed.
But when you are in group think and you're siloed,
as Jordan Peterson says, you can, you know, you can
become so ideologically fixed that you render yourself stupid. And
this is sadly where the Democratic Party is right now,
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and it's unfortunate that that's where they're at. And I
say unfortunately because you know, for the most part, this
country is built on a two party system. But what
happens is when it's so adversarial. See, at the end
of the day, you can have two parties, but the
end of the day, you need to come together and say, hey, okay,
look we lost this time. You know, we'll work harder
next time and offer a better message to the people,
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and you know, hopefully we'll win next time. And then
we move on and uh, you know, support the smooth
transition into a new administration and support the president that
the majority of the country has chosen, right, whether it's
my popular voter or by the electoral college, but regardless,
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it's it's who we voted for, and we need to
get behind it. But unfortunately, you know, politics has become
so dirty. And I've said Keith that part of the
problem is is that, see, politics was always set up
in such a way that it would be downstreamed the culture. Okay,
so the culture would influence politics. But what's happened there
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was a switch that came over, and I'm not sure
exactly when, but it flipped to where culture is downstream politics,
and I believe that's contributing to the meanness that people
have toward one another and this incivility. The other thing
that you mentioned clearly is the fact that, you know,
I think our consideration for morality has fallen off as well.
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You know, John Adams said that our Constitution was designed
for a moral people, a moral and righteous people, and
we've lost that grip of morality and righteousness. I'm not
saying totally. I still believe a majority of Americans are
still moral, but there's still too many that are immoral
that think it's Okay, it's justified because you know, after all, Kate,
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you know that Donald Trump gut he's a fascist. He
is Adolf Hitler incarnate, and you know, we got to
do whatever we have to do in order that, you know,
we keep him out of the white at any costant.
Oh yeah, I mean, even if, even if an assassination
is necessary.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Right, it's pretty terrifying to see that. You know, you
talk about the divide between the left and the right
these days, and it seems like it's more of a
modern problem because we used to at least have major
agreement on most issues between the left and the right.
At the end of the day, we might disagree on
how to get there, but we all agreed that the
constitutional values needed to be upheld. Now we're seeing a
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left that has no interest in upholding constitutional values, and
they aren't a moral society. More often than not lately,
they aren't able to be governed in a way that
our constitution provides because they just don't honor the constitution.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, and they don't honor their fellow citizen. I mean,
because when you think, you know, here we have I
don't know ever in our lifetime, Keith, that there's been
so many what you would call eighty to fifteen ninety
ten type propositions, right, you know, whether we're talking the border,
whether we're talking about you know, sex and sports, sex
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in each other's locker rooms, transgender, I mean, go down
the list. I mean, these are like eighty five to
fifteen ninety ten types of issues. And the Democrats consistently
are on the short side of the deal. And you
think what I mean, when you come over for dinner
for Thanksgiving, it's hard to have a conversation. There's not
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many topics left to talk about that's not going to
tick you off. And have you thrown biscuits across the room?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You know what I'm saying, Well, sometimes maybe it's appropriate
to throw a few biscuits. Because folks need to get
good at talking about politics again. They need to understand
that their fellow man has a valid perspective, even if
it's different from them. But a lot of folks on
the left have taken up this idea that they need
to support the underdog. And now they think that supporting
literally anyone who goes against conventional society conventional values, must
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be that underdog who is worthy of their support. And
as a result, they end up going against American values.
I mean, that's what we're seeing in New York right
now with this mom dommy communist. They're saying, folks can't
afford bread, so therefore we need to confiscate private property,
run a government operated grocery store, and to heck with capitalism.
But that's a a crazy thing. I mean, why not
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just help these people succeed by getting the government out
of the way, reducing regulation and let them go earn
a living.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But yeah, without a doubt, you know, and you mentioned
the underdog. You know, we had this situation in Florida
where I live and not Fort not more than forty
five minutes from where I live up in Fort Piers,
where you had a licensed truck driver licensed from the
state of California. Oh, by the way, a commercial license,
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and he makes an illegal U turn. The guy barely
knows the language. When they gave him a language test
of the sixteen questions, I think he could only answer
three correctly. And Keith, I don't know, did you see this.
There was something like two point seven million or one
point seven but I mean, an incredible number of people
her championing his cause.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Was a pretty appalling to see that. You know, this
guy killed people by breaking our laws. He shouldn't have
been in our country at all. He was here illegally.
He never should have been given a license, but he was,
of course by some sanctuary state California. The real question
is why aren't these California politicians being prosecuted by the
federal government for aiding and a betting the illegal aliens. Instead,
the rest of us are stuck with a bunch of
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criminals who are taking our jobs, getting people killed on highways,
and they shouldn't even be here exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Keith, you're an attorney. I mean, is there any kind
of civil liability to where these families could go back
and go sue the heck out of you know, Governor Newsom.
Because Governor Newsom, I gotta tell you, I mean, I
was born and raised in California, and I saw when
this happened, you know, shortly after I mean nine to eleven,
I'm talking within ten years or so, you know, California
really went. They just they're so open minded, their brains
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fell out. And then Newsom comes in and here, you know,
right after nine to eleven, remember we everything you know,
heightened at airports, you had to have correct documentation, your
shoes were taking I mean they were taking everything off
of you in order to get on an airplane because
everything had to be you know, really tight security and everything.
And then what does Newsom do is that he signs
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an order a bill so that illegal immigrants can get
driver's license. So now they have access to airports and
airlines across the country. So what happened to our national
security and all because Governor Newsom wanted to give them
a driver's license? And then part two of that was, oh, yeah,
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anybody that has a driver's license get guess what they get.
We're going to send them a ballot.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
It's really a problem that Democrats want to selectively enforce
the laws. They don't like immigration laws, so they just
think they should be allowed to ignore them. And we
need to have federal prosecutions for these state governments that
allow aliens to take benefits like driver's licenses from states.
These are ultimately federally funded benefits for the most part,
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and the federal government should step in and enforce the law.
They should prosecute state politicians who issue these licenses. Your
original question, can the families who lost people due to
this illegal immigrants U turn. Can they sue, Yeah, they
can sue. Will they win? Probably not. Unfortunately, the government
has kind of rigged the cards against the people over
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the last few decades, and the concept of immunity has
been so broadened that it's virtually impossible to hold a
government official who even one who conducts serious negligence like
we're seeing with the California driver's license issuance, really hard
to hold them accountable and win that case in court
because immunity is just too broad. We need legislation about
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this to narrow the scope of that immunity. But more importantly,
we need the US Department of Justice to start locking
these people up because they are helping illegal aliens evade capture.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well. And these as you said, you know these illegal
aliens coming. First of all, they break the law, you know,
coming into our country without you know, proper authorization, and
they steal from the American people. I mean, who who
do you let into your home to come in and
start sealing stealing your groceries and seal food off your
table that is supposed to go to your kids. But
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on a larger scale, and you know, we're allowing them
to come in. I mean, this is so unjust, it's
not right on so many levels for even the immigrant.
And so what happens the Democrats here, they let them in.
They have to operate in the shadows. And it's almost
like we're back at the turn of the twentieth century again,
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where you had the rise of mafia's operating in these
cities because they had a lot of illegal immigrants in there.
And who could they go to. Well, I can go
to a mafia boss. Mafia boss will do my bidding.
I can't call the police. And so who do these
illegal immigrants go to. Well, they've got gang members now
that operate as their you know, quasi government and their
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police force to do their bidding. They're not going to
dial nine to one one. And so the Democrats in
their thinking go, well, they're not going to call nine
to eleven. So maybe we ought to do is we'll
turn our cities into sanctuary cities and everybody will be saved. Well,
how's that working for you? It's not so safe in
these sanctuary cities. This is why when Donald Trump is
doing what he's doing to bring these sanctuary cities back
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up to code again and have law enforcement. You have
these local citizens going, thank you, Donald Trump. I have
been able to take my kid to a park in
ten years.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It gets back to this idea that the left and
right are just unnecessarily divided. We should at least agree
that all of the laws need to be enforced. If
the folks on the left don't like the law, well
then try to change it in Congress. But you can't
just ignore the law and let a bunch of illegals
take over. That's that's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, well, you know, when we started we talked about,
you know, how retribution is working out. Some of it
is it's just a natural inertia of things. You know,
you can only do so much evil and eventually it'll
come back and get you. And this is what seems
to be happening, you know, particularly with the Democrats, and
it bothers me. Keith, I got to tell you to
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constantly be pointing fingers of the Democrats. And I know
some people say, well, the Republicans do it too. Well,
you know, it doesn't make it right. And even if
the republic whoever they are, they should be they should
be held into account if if there's you know, if
they've broken the law they should be. I mean, here
it is, you put Donald Trump through all kinds of
hell and what have you. And you know, even with
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this last judgment, the courts didn't even support Ernawan to
have one dollar substantiated of the five hundred million dollars
that he assigned to Trump. What does that say?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
The idea of equal justice has got to be restored.
And if that means holding a lot of these deep
state actors like John Bolton accountable, well I think that's
a good start in the right direction. It shouldn't matter
whose party you're in, what your political views are. If
you break the law, it should be enforced uniformly. In
the meantime, we've got a lot of progress happening. You know,
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there's progress happening on holding these people accountable. But we've
already seen the illegal immigrants that were coming across our
border stop. All it took was a new president. And
I said this all along during the campaign season. Everybody said, well,
we need this new bill or we need this new funding. No,
you just need a president willing to enforce the laws
that are already on the books.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Keith in one day, in one day, he turned the
border around Yep, like you said, there wasn't any big
act of Congress or anything like that. Man, We've been
waiting for Congress to act on immigration for how many years? Decades?
It's been going on and on, and they all they
can do is, oh, let's find a way to amnesty
these illegal immigrants, and going wait a minute, you don't
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even have a handle of this. You know, we have
an immigration system, it's pretty effective that allows for about
a million immigrants to come in and they do so legally.
They also do it in a way that is not
a burden on the taxpayer. You know, there's certain regulations
that have to have to be in line here. And
these people that come in like this, guess what they
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want to do, Keith. They want to assimilate. They want
to be a part of the American dream. And the
only way you can be part of the American dream
is you've got to be in the boat with the
rest of us, don't you.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
You've got to come to this country and join the
fabric of American society. You have to assimilate. You can't
do like these folks are doing in Minneapolis and try
to build mini Somalia up there. Change the state flag
called a prayer in what used to be a great
American city. I mean, they've totally tried to build their
foreign nation in Minneapolis, instead of joining a thriving community
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with manufacturing, great jobs. They could have joined all of
that adopted American values, and instead they insist in keeping
their third world paradigms and worse, trying to impose those
third world paradigms on Americans.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Exactly, Well, where's the leadership in Minneapolis, Keith, you know,
just like where's the leadership in Baltimore or DC? You
know where Trump has to come in and bring the
National Guard in and just like at the at the border. Yeah,
I mean, what has it been almost two weeks? Nobody's
been murdered in d C. People going to walk the
street and actually, like like one couple they were being interviews, said,
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you know, we're able to go out to dinner again.
We haven't been able to go out to dinner in
the longest time. We forgot what it was.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Like leftists have gotten so soft that they're allowing the
criminals to take over. That's the lack of leadership. It's
that these people have such a utopian, idealistic vision that
they are blind to reality. It sounds so nice not
to lock people up until you realize that when you
don't walk up bad guys, they hurt people. Law enforcement
needs to be given free rein to enforce the law,
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and prosecutors need to be directed to actually put them
in jail, not just let them out the back with
a slap on the wrist or a small cash veil.
We've seen that happen in all the blue cities all
over the country. The story just keeps repeating, and leftists
aren't standing up and saying, you know what, we were wrong.
Soft on crimes, a terrible idea, gets people hurt, they
still think they're right. It's the most illogical, insane thing
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I have ever seen.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, and this is why the people on the right
who have had success time and again, we need to
hold our ground, you know, and you know there's no apology.
I mean, what are we doing. We're saving lives here,
We're allowing people to enjoy their communities again, families to
thrive again. And where are they thriving? In these red states,
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not the blue states. The blue states. People are escaping.
I mean, you don't even want to stand at the
exit doors. And in these blue states like New York
and California. You're gonna get run over by U hauls
getting not a dodge.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yes, And you say blue states, and heck, if you
delete a few of those blue cities within each of
those states, it's a red state. Don't really even have
blue states in this country. We have a few bright
blue cities that either outvote or defraud the vote and
outweigh the rest of us. We shouldn't be ruled by
a bunch of blue cities.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, and it's the thing, you know, and basically, you know,
I read that is as a hint towards jerrymandering. I mean,
the Democrats have become you know, ten degree black belts
and jerrymandering. They've been doing this getting away with it
for over ten years plus. You know, Eric Holder was
like the jerry mandering czar for the Democratic Party, especially
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after he left the Biden and the Obama administration. And
you know, and so now Republicans have woke up, thank
you very much, Donald Trump, and said, hey, guys, you
don't need to roll over anymore. I mean, you know,
to the victor belong to spoils, and we need to
level out the playing field here. You can't have forty
five percent of a state voting Republican and getting zero
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seats representation. I mean, it's like the illegal immigrants have
better representation than forty five five percent of the citizens.
How does that math work out?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Keith, No, That's exactly the problem with the Democrat Party
is they scream and cry and accuse, and in reality,
they are the ones who have been jerrymandering these states
for decades.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It's not just one or two states, it's a dozen
states where it's more than thirty or forty percent of
the vote is Republican, but zero of the congressional seats
are Republican seats because they have jerrymandered the heck out
of those states for decades. Now you finally see a
state like Texas stepping up and working to fix that,
in a state like Florida threatening to, and the Democrats
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are up in arms saying it's just unbelievable that the
Republicans would do this. They don't want to admit that
they've been doing it for decades.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, and it ticks me off, Keith frankly and putting
it moldly that they of course they right away knee
jerk throw the race card out. They're being racist. It's
all designed, you know, to oppress blacks. And when you
look at how the design of the map is being
reconstructed in Texas, for example, it's very fair. It actually
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opens up, I believe, two seats or you know, for
black representation, if the people locally so choose, you know,
for a black representative, right. I mean, if it had
been the Democrats and said, oh, we're going you think
they're going to open up seats for Republicans, I haven't
heard one time where they've opened up his seats. And
the only time seats get opened up on some of
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these blue states is because there's an outside supposedly an
independent commission, like they have in California. And but yet
some of these outlines of these states, I mean, it's hysterical.
I mean, I think the Democrats are going to rue
the day that they brought this up to issue, because
now it's being scrutinized. The voter is starting to see
(30:46):
this themselves and they go, oh, now I get it.
I understand now why certain legislation is coming down the
pike the way it is and why it's so biased
is because we really don't have a voice here, we
don't have a rep we don't have any representation. And
when you're talking like you said, thirty five forty five
(31:06):
percent of the electorate with zero representation, you know, I'll
tell you that makes for a lot of unhappy campers.
I would think Keith for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And we're seeing the misuse of the Voting Rights Act
by Democrats for exactly what it is lately. And courts
have been striking down these challenges like they did recently
in Florida where they struck down a challenge or redrawing
the map and they said it was, you know, not
appropriate under the Voting Rights Act, that it was racist.
But the reality is Democrats have been enslaving and abusing
(31:35):
black Americans since hundreds of years now, and here they
are using them again, throwing a race card out, trying
to say that that's the reason Republicans can't redraw districts,
even though it would be a fair map drawing in
any other sense. It's the same reason that Democrats oppose
voter ID when it comes to voting in person, they say, well.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What is keith percent issue? Say voter ID, Yes, we
support that, but again, eighty twenty give me twenty percent.
That's where the Democrats are at.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It's crazy, It's really wild. You know, it should never
be controversial in America that you need to prove that
you're a US citizen and that you are who you
say you are to cast a ballot to control the
outcome of our country. It's one of the most sacred
things you get to do as a citizen. It needs
to be protected.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, it's it's the consent of the government. How do
you claim you have the consent of the govern if
you've stuffed a ballot box, you've done away with free
and fair elections. I mean even in California, for example,
Judicial Watch just got a decision and this was they
had three million voters, Keith, three million voters that were
(32:46):
on their voter roll that were dead. They're dead. Okay,
Now you would think, okay, these guys are dead, we
need to take those three million. Oh no, they fuss.
They've thought they were able to get you know, one
point five million off the voter road because there's still
not convinced the other one point five or dead, you know.
And the other thing is that it's interesting because only
in California you can die a Republican and come back
(33:09):
and vote a Democrat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I've seen some bumper stickers around my town here in Florida,
and that's that's what some of these bumper stickers say.
They say, Hey, when I die, don't let me vote Democrat.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But you know, but you know, it's it's funny. But
on the other hand, it's affecting the body politic, it's
affecting policy. You know, look at what happened. You know,
Joe Biden's in there for four years. You mentioned, you know,
you get the Robert Hurr report says the guy's incompetent,
he's mentally deficient. He couldn't handle a you know, a
(33:45):
courtroom environment, he couldn't handle a judicial process. And then
what do they do. They send him back to the
Oval office with the nuclear codes. It's like, hey, come on,
give me a break. You need to put a bag
over this guy's head, take him to Delaware and leave
him and give him his soup, you know, three times
whatever it is, I mean, the guy, I mean, you've
got a special prosecutor who spent all this time interviewing
(34:09):
him and the conclusion is he's he's a hot mess.
And we go, oh, but I guess he's not hot
mess enough, so we're just gonna let him go and
finish out the last to what the last two years
or one and a half years of his administration, and
then look what happens, you know, then we get the
mad auto pen in the last what month and month
half of his administration that you know they're looking at
(34:31):
that God only knows how many of those could probably
be null and void, including which I would love, you know,
doctor Fauci, and all the stuff that he put us through.
And then you know the hundreds of thousands of people
that died based on his advice and counsel that he
knew so much about right.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And the freedoms that we lost because the one operated
like a band of tyrannical crazy people. They thought it
was okay to override the Constitution and ignore all of
our rights in the name of public safety, supposedly based
on fake advice, bad science, and concealed reality. So I'm hopeful,
like I think a lot of us are, that we'll
see some real accountability for the end of Biden's term
(35:13):
and the fact that people use the auto pen effectively
stealing the power of the presidency without his authorization, knowledge
or mental capacity. I hope we'll see some investigations into
the failure of the cabinet to enact the twenty fifth
Amendment that they had a duty to do. They swore
an oath to us, to the people, to uphold our constitution.
But when it came time to call out the fact
(35:35):
that we had a mentally incompetent person sitting in the presidency,
they didn't do that. They let it slide. If a
Republican had done the same thing, it would be you know, meltdown.
But they did it, and they think we're just supposed
to move on and forget. I don't, like I said,
I wouldn't call this retribution. I would call this do accountability.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right. Well, Keith, you know the thing is, go back
toward the last year of Donald Trump. It was Nancy
Pelos that was championing the twenty fifth Amendment, right she
was trying to force that into issue to have that employed,
and was challenging the cabinet, Donald Trump's cabinet to employ
the twenty fifth Amendment, claiming that he was you know,
(36:14):
mentally deficient, you know, back then. And it's just just amazing.
So here it was, and I remember when she did that,
I said, this could come back and haunt them. But
of course, the Democrats being who they are, like you said,
you know, a Republican, if they do something that is unacceptable,
they can't get them out of there fast enough. But
if it's a Democrat, boy, the wagons circle around them.
(36:38):
They stand alongside. You know, whether it's Hillary Clinton's you know,
thousands of emails they got lost that you have no
idea what happened to them. But I think that you know, again,
if it ever really comes out, because she managed to
destroy and you know, as an attorney, I mean she
destroyed evidence.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Keith's a pretty serious deal and we never saw accountability
for that. Unfortunately, we probably never will because so much
time has passed. But Democrats they do the same thing
every time they all come out. They say the same thing,
like they're reading from a script. And the next thing
they do is try to shift the narrative, usually by
accusing Republicans of whatever it is they were just doing.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh they project, Yeah, there's no doubt, Keith. The deal
is is that you know, here we are. You know,
we've been talking for almost forty minutes here, and there
is so many things that they need to be held
accountable for. And it's like, can the people keep up
with it all? Because whether we're talking, you know, what
Obama did during the transition and even before then, what
(37:38):
he did with the tea parties, I still maintain that
he and lowist Learner have affected at least nine votings.
I mean, you talk about voter interference. What they did
by not giving tax exemption, which was a routine exercise
for the IRS to do for nonprofit organizations. But Obama,
just like LBJ did back in the mid sixties about churches,
(38:00):
Obama said, no, we got it, we got it. We
can't let these people have this kind of force and energy.
You cannot, you know. He kind of wink winked at
Lois Learner and look what she did, you know, and
she got in the way, interfered. And that still hasn't
been rectified. And I still say at least nine voting
cycles in counting that it affected. I mean, that is
(38:23):
voter interference on its face. So to think that Obama
was above doing the kind of things that have been
reported in terms of what he did to Trump, it's
not far fetched. I mean, it's consistent with his character
I would think.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, and there's only so much you can do to
go back in history and try to right wrongs. But
I think Donald Trump is prioritizing things. He's got a
lot of really smart people working in his administration. They're
working around the clock, and they're moving things. They're not
afraid to disrupt the status quo. I mean, look at
what they did with USAID and now suddenly Antifa's out
of money and the Democrat Party's not getting donations. I mean,
(38:59):
I think they found ahead of the snake and they
cut that off. So I know they're working down the chain.
They're working towards the rest of these problems that still exists.
And maybe four years isn't long enough to get real
change on every front, but I know they're going to
get the high points. They're going to get the biggest
things that we need to get done. And that's more
than we've ever had before. So I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Well, this is why I said one of the reasons
why I said that we had to look at four
plus eight, you know, four years of Trump, eight more
years of a Republican And the thing is is it's
kind of been a gift that the Democrats have given
to the American people by you know, by getting lost
out in the wilderness. Right now, they're stranded because they've
(39:41):
abandoned who they are. They don't know who they are,
and in their desperation, they're just going more and more left.
And you know, here the American people have already spoken
time and again. Walk doesn't work. I don't care if
you're talking bud Light, Disneyland. I mean the billions of
dollar probably, I mean you started adding it up, be
(40:02):
trillions of dollars that these businesses have lost under this
these woke policies and DEI and that and the Democratic Party,
and you bring up something that you know, no one
has said before, but I think you're spot on, Keith,
and that is in talking about this money like that
was going to USAID and these other entities, how that
(40:24):
was coming back to the Democratic Party. And interesting you
choke off that part of the snake. And look at
their fundraising. What are they won eighth one seventh of
what the Republicans are right now in fundraising?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Pretty wild to see, and there is still a lot
of progress to be done. And like you said, I'm
looking at it that way. I'm looking at it in
hopes that we're going to have eight years of a
jd Vance administration. Right, the Democrats made a big mistake.
They came for Donald Trump and they missed. They gave
him four years to plan, four years to prepare and
find good people, knowing how underhanded the Democrats are and
(41:02):
knowing how rough it's going to be. So now he
went back into office knowing all the dirty tricks they're
going to try to pull, and instead of getting distracted
trying to defend against their ridiculous allegations, this time he's
just ignoring it, rolling on and doing the work he
wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
The real thing the Democrats aren't ready for is jd
Vance because he's seen all of this happening. He is
whipped smart, He's a brilliant attorney. Right. He is going
to get in there and be more ruthless than the
Democrats can possibly imagine. If they think Donald Trump's hard
to deal with, wait till they get jd. Vance, because
he's going to take the He's going to take that
tour from Trump and keep running.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well, you imagine the playbook that Trump has developed over
these years, Keith, It's impressive, and he's going to hand
that off to the next administration. I mean, you talk
about White House secrets, you know that Trump has that
are just hey, this is what they do. This is
(41:59):
the playbook, don't you know, stay the course. And that's
the thing that I appreciate that you you just brought
out about Trump. He is he is dead eye focused
on this. You know, he doesn't seem I mean, he
still he still loves to troll the media. I think
it's amusement for him at times. And I get and
I get it some Republicans they get nervous about it.
I said, look, he's just having fun, don't you know.
(42:20):
Just relax. You know, politics, even in the midst of
this insanity, can can still be fun, can it, Keith.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
It definitely can. And he seems to have fun with it,
like he point. I mean, he says it out right,
he says, you know, it's called we're gonna go do
a little trolling. And he goes to something just to
get him wound up. And it's really fun to watch
him get going after he goes and winds them up.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Well, And it's a little bit easier to have fun
when you're winning, yep, right, And I mean at every turn.
I mean, we just we just keep on winning. And
that's why you know, these these socialists, when they come
in and they try to do something, you might have
a bit of a falling like mom Donnie has in
New York, and it's like, what a train wreck that
that's going to be. I mean, already these businesses are
(43:00):
not participating. They're looking at an exit. I mean, if
you were, if you were a corporation in New York,
I mean you're looking for you're looking for an exit
plan or plan B. Because if this guy gets into office,
I mean here he is. I mean government, government stores,
grocery stores, I mean grocery stores there in New York
(43:21):
lucky at one and a half two percent. They operate
on a margin. Government doesn't know about one and a
half or two months.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
No, they're going to lose money, but citizens are going
to think it's great. They're going to see discount groceries
and think that's awesome. They're not going to see the
fact that massive tax revenues are offsetting the losses behind
the scenes, and they're not going to care because they're
probably not the ones paying those taxes. But what it
is going to do is run all the people who
pay the taxes out of town.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right exactly. And the thing is, you know, it's interesting
because when it came up, it was not that long
afterwards that in Missouri they had a government run store
and they were showing how it was shutting down and
all you saw was a bag of I think hot
dog buns on the shelf, one one bag. So it's like,
so much for that success. But you know, the thing is,
like like anything, you always want to look at a
(44:09):
what's what somebody has done, tells you what there's what
they're going to do. And communism is the same way.
Socialism is the same the same way. You look back
in history and you can't even recount one one country
that said socialism was the best thing that ever happened
to me as opposed to capitalism, for example, because that's
really what the war is all about. It's either going
(44:30):
to be capitalism or it's going to be socialism or
socialism light, or some derivation of an ism that they
that they have to offer. And you know, they may
they may get exactly what they're asking for and have
to find out that gravity still exists, right they might.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You know, folks are dying to come to America from
communist and socialist countries, not the other way around, generally speaking.
And it's just like crime, it's about incentives. If you
incentive as something, you get more of it. If you
disincentivize or punish something, you get less of it. What
do you think is going to happen in a capitalist
society when you take away the incentive that if you
(45:09):
go out build a business and earn good money, you
get to keep that money and you know, enjoy the
fruits of your labor. You take away the fruits of
the labor, there's no point in doing the labor anymore.
And that's how pretty much every communist country in history
has fallen apart and starved its citizens because people just said, well,
if I'm not going to get anything for doing all
this work, why work I get the same amount off
I don't work?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well exactly, Well, that's like you know, unions. That's why
unions have, you know, in terms of the private sector.
You know, at one point there were about thirty three
percent of the labor for us. I think it's down
to less than ten percent. And so where did they grow?
They grew in government. And that's why it's so hard
in some cases to do the things that Elon Musk
(45:50):
and Doge proposed because you had to deal with unions,
and you know, and it's it's it's tedious. But I
love what Trump is doing in terms of give hope
to the American people, Keith, and I know you do too,
because it's about having a fair shot at it, you know,
and also to be able to keep the fruit of
(46:11):
your labor and all your hard work right.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Absolutely, and talking about these unions in government, I mean,
that's just about restoring the constitutional order. The idea that
a union can override the constitutional authority of the executive
branch head the president in hiring and firing. That's just
an anti constitutionalist idea. No contract can override the Constitution,
that is the supreme law of the land. We need
(46:35):
to have more people on the bench who understand that
and who will start to uphold the constitutional provision against
invalid laws and some invalidating laws that conflict with the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And we need to send people to Congress who believe
the same thing, Keith. We can't have wishy you know, Republicans,
you know, spineless legislators who go in and want to
you know, you know, be invited to cocktail parties and
be more interested in getting re elected than doing the
(47:06):
people's business. We've had too much of that. You know,
we have an opportunity right now. We're seeing the truth
of the matter, and we have an opportunity to correct course,
as you say, and hopefully the American people can follow
Donald Trump's lead. And if you lack a spine, find
your spine, whatever it is that you need to do
in order to turn this country around and to turn
(47:30):
over to the next generation, and America that's greater than
it's ever been. And here we are. I think the
potential is there, Keith, with you know what we're doing
with tariffs and what Trump is doing with peace. I
don't know how long this thing can last, but why
not make the most of it while the sun is shining,
I'd say.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Bill, I think it's going to last. This is the
generation where we can start to restore the freedoms that
have been lost over the years, where we can push
back against government regulation, and where we can push back
against the bat foreign trade deals that America has been
stuck with for a long time. We've finally got a
president who is only worried about one thing, and that
is caring for Americans. He's not worried about being looked
(48:11):
upon kindly by the rest of the world. He cares
about taking care of Americans, and that's what a president
should do. So now we need to make sure that
the people in Congress back him up pass laws to
support his agenda. And I think that's going to keep happening.
It's not just right now. When you look at the
voting demographics with the young kids, now twenty year olds
are voting more conservatively than seventy five year olds. They've
(48:33):
seen the downside of a tyrannical government. They've seen excessive
bureaucracy in action, and they know we need less government
in our lives if we want to have freedom.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Well, Keith Grocer're awesome, Thank you. I appreciate your insight
and encouragement. And I understand you may be running for office.
Can I say that, Well, I haven't announced yet.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
I'm not ready to make any announcements, but I certainly
haven't ruled it out. You know, I've been asked to
run and it's definitely not ruled out at this stage.
I live up in the Florida Panhandle, as you probably know,
infessional district too, and I'll say it's not ruled out.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well, that's I'll take that bit of good news and
bit of encouraged by our audience. Will as well. Keith Gross,
legal analyst, former assistant state attorney and prosecutor for the
state of Florida. You've served in the Montana National Guard.
He's a business owner, he's the author of dirt roads
to runways. And we'll wait and see if he is
and becomes a political candidate for the Panhandle there in
(49:33):
District two in Florida. Keith, we need you.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
We need a lot of work to be done in Congress,
and right now we see a lot of fancy dinner
parties and a lot of folks that want to keep
their jobs rather than do it. I think it's time
to get some change, get some energy up there, and
get things.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Done well again. Keith, thank you so much for being
with his stake care. Be blessed you. Keith Gross has
been our guest. I'll tell you what. Just appreciate his
insight and his experience and what we're able to talk about.
I hope you've been blessed by the conversation. And that's
going to be a wrap for us. Thank you. May
God bless you and keep you. May make His face
(50:09):
shine upon you. May He be gracious unto you and
give you peace. God bless
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