September 29, 2025 • 49 mins
She was an eye and ear witness to what happened when the FBI raided Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence. The attorney Christina Bobb reveals in her latest book, Defiant, the battle for America’s future the shocking, personal account takes readers behind the scenes of the infamous Mar-a-Lago raid, exposing unprecedented abuses of power: FBI agents breaking locks while offered keys, denying Trump’s representatives access, and seizing privileged documents under a shroud of secrecy.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, hello and good afternoon. Bill Martinez here with you
and got a real treat for you. Christina Bob a
new book. We had spoken with her, I think about
a year a year and a half ago about the election,
the twenty twenty four election, and she's got a new
book titled Defiant. Inside the Marlago Raid and the Left's
ongoing lawfare. There's so much to this story, as you
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know instinctively, and you knew from day one there was,
and fortunately for us, Christina was there as an eyewitness,
as an ear witness, everything that happened on that incredible
day when the FBI came upon mar Lago to invade
the president's personal home. And I know you're probably still wondering,
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how could this be in the United States of America. Well,
this is a gripping, first hand expose of the coordinated
legal and I underlined that a coordinated legal and political
attack against Donald Trump and his allies, revealing the Deep
State's efforts to undermine democracy. Bob, welcome the show. Good
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to have you with us. Bill Well, Christina, I'm glad
you could join us to talk about this book to
find inside the Marlago raid and the left's ongoing lawfair
Welcome the show. Good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, I'm excited to have everyone hear your story because
this is first and this is eyewitness air witness. You
were there at Marlago when this all came about, and
little did you know, I think you were sensitive. As
I was reading your book, your spidey senses kicked into
Garrett to realize that you were being pulled into a
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bit of a hot potato and understanding that the Deep
State had already gone after Donald Trump in many ways,
and of course with your investigations and things that you
had come to reveal and realize with the twenty twenty election,
you knew you had to be on guard. And of
course the way other not only the president the lawfair
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that was executed against him, but other attorneys as well,
So you instinctively knew that you were on kind of
hallowed ground here, right.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, it was pretty clear that the Department of Justice
was not actually after justice. They were purely operating on
political motivation to try to silence and support their political opponent,
Donald Trump, and they were willing to go to extraordinary
lengths to do so. They were willing to throw innocent
Americans in prison, most of them were the January six ers.
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They were willing to upend the lives of many great,
great Americans who have worked hard, loved this country, Rudy Giuliani,
Mark Meadows, John Eastman, you know, Jeff Clark that there
are a lot of really.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Great Americans that the list is long, and very long.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
List, exactly. And then they were also willing to destroy
lives of Americans that just were in the mix, like
myself and my colleagues that might not have had the
name of Donald Trump or Rudy Giuliani, but I was
there working with them, you know, on behalf of their
political objectives, and as a result, you know, I wasn't
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I wasn't allowed to continue the work that I was doing.
They were going to do everything they could to stop me,
and they were going to use the force of the
Department of Justice to do so, the Department of just
I mean, I was investigated by everybody, Congress, the Department
of Justice, State of Arizona, the California Bar the FBI.
I mean, I had everybody come after me in the
span of Apartment of Homeland Security in about three years,
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you know, six months in and six months prior to
the end of the Biden administration. They I mean, they
threw everything they had. I mean, I'm still a criminal
defendant as we speak. Their case is falling apart, thankfully,
but they are still trying to destroy the lives of
Americans who were contesting the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't think people understand how diabolical this is and
what this is like for you, you know, personally. I mean, here,
you are former marine, you were a uh you you
were you were in the judge advocate right in the
Marine Corps. Yeahs, yeah, so you serve you serve the
Marine Corps. You get out of the Marine Corps, you
go into private practice, and along the way you end
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up doing some work for Donald Trump. And uh, explain
how that how that began your relationship with the President Trump?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Right? So I got out of the Marine Corps and
joined the Trump administration. The first Trump administration, I was
at the Department of Homeland Security for that I was
the executive secretary there. And that was during the Miles Taylor, Chadwolf,
Chris Krebs era where they were all kind of running
interference on the Department of Homeland Security. So I knew
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I very much and was very vocal in support of
President Trump, and so I knew I wasn't going to
really get anywhere with that crowd. So I decided to
get out and try to come back in. Of course,
I thought he was going to win the twenty twenty election.
I believe he did win, but I thought he was
you in.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
About ninety percent of America, yeah, And so.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I thought he would have his second term right away.
And so the plan was to get out and then
come back in, you know, in a different capacity. And
I ended up going to one American News. I left
the Trump administration went to One American News, and I mean,
what a time to become a reporter.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Right exactly, with all this inside information that you have
with you, Yes, exactly, Yeah, So you know.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It worked out. I became a reporter, you know, less
than six months prior to the twenty twenty election. I
ended up covering the twenty twenty election. I was there
on election. That's my first book, actually Stealing Your Vote.
But through that process, I actually got to know the
president because he was following my reports, he was watching
what I was reporting on, and I developed a connection
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with him that way. And then, you know, obviously the
election didn't go the way we all anticipated it going.
And so I continue to report on the election, and
I continue to investigate and figure out what was going
on in all of these states. And through my investigation,
the President said, you know, we're putting together a team.
I'm making a comeback in twenty four. Why don't you
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join my team and help me secure the election for
twenty twenty four, which is ultimately what I did. So
I began officially working for him in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well in Stealing Your Vote, The inside story of the
twenty twenty election, what it means for twenty two for
your first book. Uh, just sure that real quick for
our audience.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah. Well, the way I like to summarize it is
Democrats cheated and Republicans covered it up. It was very
much a bipartisan effort to get Donald Trump out of
the political game. I mean, we all saw what happened
on election day with them keeping Republicans out of the
counting rooms, boarding up the windows, the midnight ballot dumps.
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I mean, the list goes on and on. Prior to that,
they set up the mail in ballot issue with COVID.
Uh you know, that gave them emergency authorization, which they
they meaning these liberal state secretaries of state and governors,
created these emergency plans where they just changed election law,
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changed election on the fly, on the flight right, So
the whole manner in which the election was conducted was illegal.
And that, you know, that kind of blindsided everybody because
we were dealing with COVID, and everyone's kind of like, well,
what are we supposed to do with this? And so
that created a bunch of questions and a bunch of problems.
And then one the Republicans either didn't bother to fight
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it initially and then after the fact, the Republicans were
covering it up. I mean, especially in places like Pennsylvania
in Michigan, it was the Republicans really working against those
of us who were trying to fight for transparency and
trying to do audits. And I spent a lot of
time in Arizona on the ground during that audit in
twenty twenty one. I reported live from the Arizona Audit
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I think every single day, almost every single day. And yeah,
I mean it was the Republicans that really tried to
sweep it all under the rug.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think people are going to be surprised when they
first hear And of course we reported on this, and
you were on the show before and we talked about,
you know, the Republican cover up again. Can you unwrap
that just a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, Well, so, for example, the Arizona Audit was initiated
by the Republican Senate in response to the Republican constituent
or just the constituents in Arizona saying, hey, we don't
trust the results of our election. We want an audit.
So the Arizona Senate launched an audit. The people of
Pennsylvania started doing the same thing, started clamoring for an
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audit in Pennsylvania, and it was the Republican Senate in
Pennsylvania that shut it down. They said, no, we're not
going to look into this. And it was Jake Corman specifically,
was the President of the Senate in Pennsylvania, Republican, who
did everything he could sport the effort. There was a
I think it's called the Government Accountability Committee or something
some similar name to that, where they were planning on
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investigating through their committee and the President shut it down.
I mean, same thing happened in Wisconsin. They wanted an
audit in Wisconsin. The Republican Speaker of the Assembly in
Wisconsin was the one that shut down the audit that
the people wanted it instead hired this other team to
do it. And then when the people continued to push
back on that, he finally appointed a special council to
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do an investigation in Wisconsin. And the special council found
that there was a prima facial case for bribery and
that the election in Wisconsin was conducted illegally and they
disbarred him for it. So rather than actually take it
into considerations, say hey, we need to prosecute these people.
They disbarred the special counsel who made the finding that
the election was conducted illegally and a violation of bribery
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laws in Wisconsin. And that I mean that we say
the same thing in Georgia.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, I was going to ask you the same
thing in Georgia right now.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, And it's all Republicans Michigan. It was a Michigan
It was a Republican House and Senate in Michigan, which
they buried it. They issued a report saying you should
consider prosecuting people who are challenging the elections. This was
a Republican recommendation. So it was really the Republicans that
targeted the Trump supporters.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Wow, what was was it just the Republicans? The rhinos
in that are just they were just so disturbed by
the things that Donald Trump was doing because he was
an outsider. I mean, what what is the basis of this, uh,
you know, of this relentless attack against President Trump, especially
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after all the good things he did in his first term. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well, you know, I don't know everyone's individual motivation, but
what it appears to me, if I could paint with
a broad brush, it appears that Donald Trump was changing
the political landscape. You know, he was changing the way
the game was played. He was changing the level of transparency.
He was extraordinary and continues to be extraordinarily accessible. He
communicates directly with the people, and the people were starting
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to want more information from the government, and we're trying
to hold the government accountable. And the Republicans didn't want
that either, just like Democrats don't want that. So I
think the establishment Republicans didn't want the level of transparency
that MAGA wanted, and Donald Trump was driving that that,
you know, that was his agenda, and so they just
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worked really hard to get him out.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, Christianea, the thing is is that all that Donald
Trump was revealing was the stuff that the majority of
Americans suspected. Yeah, you know, we suspected that all the
three letter agencies in our government were corrupt. We just
didn't have evidence. We just all everybody just spoke about
it anecdotally suspected this was the case, because I mean,
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you didn't have to be a genius. You know, I
think sometimes we over analyze this stuff, but I always say,
just look at the fruit on the tree. Yeah, the
fruit on the tree is quite telling. And it's very obvious,
and here it is, and thank god for Donald Trump
beginning to reveal it. Now it's up to we, the people,
the basis of our constitution, to do something about it.
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They spoke loud and clear in twenty twenty four, but
still the resistance continues.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Right, Yeah, I think it does. I think it's I
think you're right. They spoke very loud in twenty twenty four,
and I think we're continuously moving more towards being able
to hold the government accountable. But it's not at all
all a sure thing. I think the fact that there's
been an indictment on former FBI director Jim's comy, I
think that's a great first step that goes to show
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that the indictments do go both ways. You know, the
liberals just want to throw conservatives in prison without being
held accountable for their own actions. So I'm happy to
see that indictment. I want to see more. I something
come for Bolton and then, you know, I've heard all
the rumblings that everybody else has heard, but I want
to see them. I want to see the indictments come out.
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But yeah, I expect to see more.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
More on the way I was kind of changing. In
the other day with our daily audience, Christina that Donald
Trump and Milania were walking on the beach and they
came across some shelves that said, you know, uh, indict comy.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Right, just so happened, and just I was waiting, I.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Was waiting for that meme. I thought, somebody surely is
going to put that meme out there.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, I think I saw something like that. You know,
everyone changing Komy's stupid little beach walk.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I know, incredible, But so here, you know, this law
fair is just bubbling up and it's almost like it
really forced. And this is thing about Donald Trump. He's
such a catalyst for exposure. He's exposing the corruption on
both sides. To your point, I mean, they just can't
help themselves now. And guess what. The closet door is
wide open. Everybody's looking in and saying, well, this is unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, there needs to be more exposure. But I think
his second term is off to a much better start
than his first term. And I think Tulci Gabbard has
done an amazing job revealing what she's revealed. I expect
to see a lot more coming out of her office. Yeah,
I think cash battel. Like I said, the indictment of
call Me, I think is really good. I'm so proud
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of Lindsay Halligan. I consider her friend. She's in the book.
She was with me at mar A Lago. So I
disclose our conversations there, but yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Want to talk. I want to talk about that day
at mar A Lago and how you were brought into
and finding yourself there on the property on that day
that you know makes you an eyewitness and an air
witness to all the events, and you know it's almost
it's almost a criminal activity by the FBI, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Sure? Yes, I think it is. I think I allude
to that in the book as well. I thought everything
was illegal. Everything that they were doing was illegal. They
never had probable cause to read mar A Lago. In
order to get the warrant, they had to lie to
a judge that had, I think it was six weeks
prior had recused himself from the Trumpy Clinton case because
he said he was incapable of being impartial. And then
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they take an affidavit to the judge who has already
said he's incapable of being impartial, and they lie to him.
They don't disclose the fact that President Trump himself, not
just his legal team, but President Trump himself was incredibly transparent.
He said, to their faces, you can see whatever you want.
You know, you want me to show you around mar
A Lago. What do you want? They did not disclose
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any of that in the affidavit, and the affid the
affidavit itself was very misleading into basically trying to say
that President Trump was obstructing justice. I mean, ultimately, that's
what they charged him with. It was never true. They
never had any evidence for it, but that's they had
to charge him with that because they couldn't bring the
case they wanted to bring in Washington, d C. The
original case was in Washington, d C. The grand jury
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Sepina came out of Washington, d C. They were trying
to create this Hillary Clinton email scandal, espionage type case
about Donald Trump, and they thought, for sure, if we
can just read mar A Lago, if we can just
get into his storage clouset, we'll be able to show something,
and they couldn't. They never got the evidence, so they
couldn't get a conviction. I'm sorry they couldn't get an
indictment in Washington d C. So they had to move
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to Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Christian, did you ever figure out what it was that
they were really looking for? I mean, yes, trip up
Donald Trump, you know, get in the way, invalidate another
potential presidential run. It seems like there's more to the story.
They were looking for something.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Seems to me I think their Trump derangement syndrome got
the better of them. Yes, I think they they were
looking for a unicorn. You know, they wanted to show
that Donald Trump is selling secrets to the Russians, or
you know, whatever crazy idea they had in their mind.
But it was never true. There was never anything there,
which is why they didn't recover anything to support that
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crazy theory because it wasn't true. So I've heard theories
about them trying to recover crossfire hurricane documents, which is
totally possible.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
A part of me kind of finds it hard to
believe that they actually thought there would be crossfire hurricane
documents there, because we had shown them, we had shown
them the storage room. We had shown them where the
documents were, and it's like a storage closet, you know
what I mean, like it, you know, everyone's hall closet.
When you walk in the door and like throw your
coats in there. That's basically what it was. I mean
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a billionaire's version of that. But that's you know, this
was not like a highly classified, you know, super secret
storage facility. It was it was secure, I mean had
multiple locks on it. It was in a very private
area of mar Lago. But it was just a storage
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well, even in the previous visit the FBI, the thing
they told them and said, can you put another lock
on the door?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, and there already were locks. It was guarded by
Secret Service, it was guarded by private security. It's on
a private residence. It was much more secure than any
of the other locations that prior presidents had stored their documents,
So there was no reason for the FBI to be
concerned about access to the documents. The documents were secured.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So you're telling us it was much more secure than
Joe Biden's garat.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
It was more secure than Joe Biden's garage or the
Pen Biden Center, you know, the Chinese the CCP paid
for center. I think George Bush had his in a
strip mall somewhere. Yeah. No, Donald Trump's documents were much
much more secure than any of the prior presidents.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So right, so here it is. I mean, you're you're
about your business and you get a phone call, he says, Christina,
we need you to be on location at mar Lago.
Do you got some time on your hands? Can you
go there and observe the FBI. There's going to be
this nondescript kind of meeting, you know, everything but coffee
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and high tea. But your gut tells you if the
FBI is involved, there's more to this, right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, clearly, I mean you know I was flying blind,
as you said, you know, I wasn't part of prior conversations.
But obviously, if the FBI is involved, they're clearly trying
to set Donald Trump up for something. I mean, you know,
why would the FBI be involved if they weren't trying
to manufacture criminal activity, which ultimately is obviously what they did.
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So yeah, so I was very cautious about participating. Of
course I did participate because you know, what are you
going to do? You can't ignore the FBI? Right, So
I did participate, and ultimately, ultimately everything played out the
way it should have. From our perspective, Donald Trump never
should have been indicted. Walt not Ow and Carlos del
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Lavera never should have been indicted. None of the indict
none of the criminal proceedings ever should have happened, and
they never should have destroyed their lives and up into
their lives the way that they did. But they were
released from the incitement as they should have been. And
where things stand today, at least as the Jack Smith
cases go, is correct. Nobody was actually prosecuted other than
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Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
But meanwhile, you know, like you say, their lives and
some people are not necessarily in a posient. I mean,
you've gone through a strain and it's not cheap when
you're getting sued and having to go through all you're
going through. Yes, and we have people who are not
familiar with the legal system and they're being put through
the drain and everything and drug inside and out. I mean,
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I pray that these people you know here, they're there.
They're in service to the president. I mean, they're just
there to you know, help around the house and that
sort of thing. And I'm sure President Trump has made
them all as much as he can. But this has
got to just been you know, just and I think
the psychological impact of it has just got to have
been tremendous.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh, it's HORRIFICCT It's absolutely horrific. Like I said, I'm
still going through it now. I'm still racking up monthly
legal bills because the State of Arizona still wants to
say that, you know, I tried to overthrow the United
States government or something stupid like that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Here, you are a former marine taking an oath that
lasts forever till the day we die that we will
protect our government and the Constitution against all enemies, foreign
and domestic, and you are you are doing everything to
violate that oath.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yes, right, right, right, that's what they're trying to say.
They don't have any evidence for it, which is why
the indictment has been thrown out. But they haven't closed
the case. So I'm still still working to get that
case closed. I'm hoping that that will come soon, but
still open for now. They still are, you know, defaming
me by operating around saying I'm a criminal. You know
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the dominion laws. It was pretty devastating to me because
you had all of these pundits on TV saying I
was a liar. Ultimately, that case was also dismissed, but
they did a lot of damage. I mean, these this
law fair is incredibly damaging.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well yeah, I mean even to this day. I mean
you've got Senators and congressmen, you know, at hearings just saying,
you know, making statements like and challenging anybody who had
any questions about the twenty twenty election and being very
mean spirited about it. And the way in which they
do it, it's quite obvious that either they themselves are
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not sure and believe it. I mean, you've got, according
to the polling, over sixty percent of America and I
think it's probably about sixty six sixty seven percent of
America does not believe in the twenty twenty election to
this day. So it's like, who are you trying to
convince me or the you know, three quarters or two
thirds of the America voter.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, well, I think they're counting on destroying the integrity
of our election. I mean, that's the way they keep
power is by rigging the election, not by trying to
win over hearts and minds. They're not trying to win
anybody over because they're pushing everybody away. They're so far
left that they're pushing everybody to the right. So I
don't think they have any real desire to win anyone over.
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I think they just want to rig the elections. They
want no voter ID, they want all mail in ballots.
You know, they want to make it as difficult as
possible to have a clean, fair election so that they
can just steal the elections to stay in power. That's
what they want.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, without a doubt. It's all about power and control,
is what Lindsey Graham stated, as you'll recall and you
know that's what it is for them. Christina, do you
have a sense that I mean, yes, it became real
obvious that they stole the election in twenty twenty or
they they're up to the Shenanigans, whether it was smartmatic
or dominion and more and more. You know, we see
a lot of smoke. We're still looking for, you know,
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some real fire, and I think we've we've touched on
some fire. But the courts don't want to acknowledge it.
People are reticent to acknowledge it, like you say, the
establishment and that. But you have the sense that this
is something that's been going on for a long time
and it's just one of those things that like in
every trajectory. It starts out where it's a little bit bad,
and each each election cycle it just gets worse and worse.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, yes, I do think COVID was especially bad. I
don't Twenty twenty four wasn't as bad as twenty twenty
was because we didn't have COVID, right.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But it didn't stop them from trying.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, that's true, that's true. So yeah, we still have
a long way to go about cleaning things out, you know,
two steps forward, one step back. We're working on it.
I think we can get there, but nothing is for sure, right,
you know, that's why every election cycle matters. Volunteer, become
a poll watcher or poll observer, whatever, People need to
be involved in the process. The more people we have
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from each community involved, the better it's going to be.
I think I think we'll get to a point where
it's more secure than it is today. I don't think
it's ever going to be one hundred percent secure because
every year someone's trying to cheat, right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Exactly, well, systemically, it's it's a problem. And this is
why Trump and many of us believe get back to
one day of voting. Everybody takes the day off, just
like we used to one day of voting. It's you know,
mail in ballots. Only if you happen to be in
a military or there's some extreme emergency or something some
way that you can't make it to the ball in
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that day, that's it. No mail in voting, and your
vote counts on that day. You're not going to have
thirty days in which your vote can count because the
more time that you give it opens up that opportunity
of cheating. So you've got to eliminate all those avenues.
Potentially they could promote, you know, promote a breakdown in
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the integrity of the vote.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Right, Yeah, that's exactly right. I think one day voting,
same day voting very rare exceptions for mail in ballots.
I think we need to get back to the precinct
level rather than having these big voting centers like the
State Farm Arena and oh yeah yeah, these big county
county wide voting centers. I think the ballots need to
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be counted at the precinct level. That makes it significantly
harder to cheat. But yeah, no, I agree. I think
we can get there. We got to clean some things
out first, but but we can get there.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, I think we can get there with Donald Trump,
and we can get there with another. This is why
we need When when the election was going on in
twenty twenty four, I said four plus eight, people are
saying four years. No, I go four plus eight. You
got to think in terms of twelve years, the Democrats
combined between Obama and Biden had twelve years and then
some You could probably even count pentage of the Donald
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Trump first term because of all the shenanigans they were
doing in the background.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Right, Yeah, yeah, no, I think that I think that's right.
I think Donald Trump is going to get us off
to a really good start with cleaning this up. I
think it's going to be incumbent upon the next incoming
president to finish that job. But I have no doubt
that Donald Trump is going to do everything you can
and get us pretty far down the road about cleaning
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all of this up. But it definitely will be a
multicycle thing.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But it's clear we need somebody like a Donald Trump
who's got a spine and is committed to the American
people and the American idea. Now, getting back to mar Lago,
that day, you're there and they didn't even you offered, Hey,
i'll help you I got keys, I'll help you out here.
They wanted nothing with it. They kept you outside in
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the heat, right.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah. They wouldn't let me observe what they were doing.
So mar Lago, you know, it's in a state, and
they were looking in a couple of different areas around
the estate. I could see what they were doing between
the rooms that they were looking at, because they would
have to go outside, you know, on the sidewalk to
go in between the rooms, so I can see that.
I can see what they were carrying in and out
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of the rooms. I just couldn't see what they were
doing in the rooms. They would not allow me to
accompany them when they were actually doing the search, which
I thought was very weird. You know, I'm not they're
not required to allow me to hover over them for
the entire time, but they wouldn't let me see anything,
which to me that struck me as very suspicious.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And of course they didn't want you there when they
arranged you know, the mess, the picture of documents strewn
on the floor, like as if that was Donald's personality.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Right, Yeah, Well I saw them carry those cover sheets
into the office. Yes, so they those were cover sheets
that they brought with them, at least from my perspective.
They later argued in court that they found them on site.
I do not believe they did. I think because I
saw them. I saw them carry them in in a
clear rubber mayd bin. They carried them into the office,
which actually is not how you're supposed to carry the
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cover sheets, but it's what they were doing. So yeah,
I mean I basically I wasn't allowed to be in
the room when they did it, but I basically watched
them stage that photo.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Do you even know, Christina, if every one of those
officials were authorized to handle top secret information, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I imagine they probably were. I would be surprised if
they weren't having a security clearance. And don't forget, it
was being run out of Washington, d C. And so
most of everybody who works in the federal government in Washington,
d C. Has has some level of a clearance. So
I suspect that they all did. But but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, Well, it just seems that as fast and loose
as they were operating. And that's the thing about people
that lie. It is like my dad used to say,
if you lie, you better have a great memory and
you better, you better be real good at dotting your
eyes and crossing your t's. And this is what we're
finding out right now with the Obama administration, even the
Biden administration, they were so deceptive that they can't possibly come.
(29:47):
They don't even remember all the lies they you know,
and all of a sudden you find burn bags that
are just lying around in a closet somewhere. You talk
about Joe Biden's garage. I mean, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah? No, I mean I don't. I don't think that
they are going to be able to keep their story straight.
I'm just hopeful, and I'm so grateful for you know,
Cash Betel and Tolsi Gabbard that are actually doing the
investigation to pull this out. I'm eager to see what
they come up with. Obviously, we need a lot more
(30:16):
exposure than what we currently have. I'm hopeful that they
are they are doing that. But I mean, we gotta,
we gotta gut, gut this information because there's been so
much that has been covered up. It's I mean, it's
essential to our country to clean out the rot right.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And I think that the tough hill to climb here,
Christine is that people can suspect that it's corrupt and
it's a problem. I just don't know how bad it is.
And then when you begin to realize, you know, the
deception took place with crossfire, hurricane, and you know how
this stuff led to the Oval Office, and many of
us who did any kind of research in studying on
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this knew that knew that Barack and we still maintained
Barack Obama had to orchestrate this. I mean, he's he's
of course covered because he was the president of the
United States, and.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I wouldn't be that generous. You know, we have a
Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity. It is not absolute.
That's why Donald Trump's case wasn't dismissed because it's not
absolute immunity.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I don't know. I think Barack Obama is fair game.
I you know, I haven't seen all of the evidence.
I don't know what they're pulling out. And I firmly
believe in innocent until proven guilty. So I don't want to, yeah,
say anything about.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
This looks like a duck and talks like a duck.
I mean, you look at you know, Hillary Clinton, John
Kerry James, comey all these people out of his administration.
I mean, this seems like a playbook that sounds familiar
with what what Barack Obama did with Lois Lerner and
the Tea Party, you know, wink wink, And because he
knew the Tea Party was causing a lot of disruption
(31:48):
and he was going to have problems with his re
election campaign.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Well yeah, and you know who ran the prosecutions from
DJ for the Tea Party for all of that was
through the irs. You know who ran that?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Who Smith? Oh? Yes, yes, that's right, I did know that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
So Jack Smith did that, and then they appointed him
to do the same thing for Donald Trump after he
had also done the same thing for Bob McDonald when
he was running for governor of Virginia, which that case
was overturned unanimously at the United States Supreme Court. So
this is I mean, this is Jack Smith's playbook. That's
why they brought him in to do exactly exactly what
(32:24):
you're describing.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Right, I mean, I mean you talk about a lot
of good lawyers, you know, I think a John Eastman,
Sidney Powell, yourself, others that have been kneecapped by the
Democratic Party's Justice Department and what they've done to all
of you. And you you look at Jack Smith and
Mark Elias and some of these others, you go, what
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are these guys doing with a law license?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes, I think that all the time. I had to
fight for my law license. I was reported to the bar.
There were a dozen people that reported me to the bar,
and I had to fight my license. I thankfully was successful.
I did get to keep my license. They found no
misconduct on my part, which is amazing. I'm so grateful
for that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You're a marine, Marines, we don't miss conduct.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
No, but neither did John Eastman or Rudy Jeliani. And
you know, my license is in California. At least the
one that I was fighting for was in California. And
I thought for sure they're gonna disbar me just because
I'm you know, with Donald Trump. They didn't. I was
grateful for. But but that that is the concern is
they're they're taking out the conservative attorneys who are willing
(33:33):
to fight, so eventually no one's going to be willing
to fight, and we're not going to have any resistance
to the tyrannical takeover that we're seeing. That's their goal.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Well, in your book to find inside to Marlago raid
and the lefts ongoing law fair. Uh, you relate your
meeting with with Donald Trump to tell him saying, hey,
this is what I'm you know, I kind of want
your blessing on this to make sure it's okay, and
tell us about that meeting in the Oval.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah. So I needed his permission to publish the book
because all the information that I have as a turning
plant privilege because I was on his legal team at
the time. So he had to give me permission to
publish it. And thankfully he did, and he also did
the forward for it, which I'm really excited about. But yeah,
I took the manuscript to him and said, hey, I
want to basically tell everybody everything, tell him what actually happened.
And I've got text messages and emails and all my
(34:23):
dialogue and all the back and forth with the Department
of Justice. And I showed him what I had and
he didn't. He didn't delay at all. He said, yeah, great,
I want to help you get it out. You don't
just get it out. So he was very transparent through
the whole thing. He wrote the forward to try to help,
you know, raise awareness to let people know, like, hey,
this is actually what happened, right.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So, yeah, did he take exception to anything.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
No, not a single thing. He did not ask me
to change a single thing.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
You know. It's amazing and and I appreciate your wiring.
I mean, you are a copious note taker. I really
this has been your life, right, I mean you were
a little kid, you were taking notes. I mean you
were taking notes for Santa Claus even, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
But I mean I kept on and I knew obviously
as soon as I found out the FBI and DJ
were involved, as like, okay, this is going to go
to litigation at some point, so I need to record
everything that's happening to make sure that if you know,
if I have a lawyer, which ultimately I did, my
lawyer knows exactly what's going on. I just want a
record of what's happening. So I I did. I took
notes at like within days of every meeting, within days
(35:31):
of the raid, within days of every single event that
transpired throughout the process. I just documented everything, and I
took pictures and you know, I just made a record
of everything that happened. And so actually putting the book
together was actually quite easy because I just took, you know,
took everything I had. I was like, well, look at
there's a book.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
So well that's that's uh, that's amazing. Uh. And and
God bless you for you know, for being that way.
And although I imagine for some people that want to
run the edges and stuff like that, you're probably a
bit of an annoyance, but you know, mostly but the
deal is, see, this is the thing. You know. Unfortunately,
our culture has gotten to the point where truth is
(36:14):
no longer a defense, it's an offense. And so anytime
you bring the truth, people are going to be offended.
In fact that you know here recently with the murder
of Charlie Kirk, he's out there promoting the truth and
it costume his life.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah. Yeah, No, it's true. The truth, the truth of
what you know, what defined is it is a true
and correct relay of everything that I experienced and everything
that I witnessed, everything I saw. Don't I don't think
anybody's going to be able to refute it, really because
like and I say this in a note in the beginning,
(36:48):
it comes from emails, text messages, eyewitness accounts that are
captured on CCTV footage on security camera footage, and my
negotiations back and forth with the Department of Justice. So
it's pretty it's pretty tight. I don't think I don't
think anybody's going to be able to refute what I'm
saying because it's all so well documented and recorded that
(37:12):
and I testified under oath multiple times about all of this,
right that, I just don't think anybody can say that
what I'm saying isn't accurate.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, And the thing is is that when you are,
you know, sold out on the truth, you don't have
to make up stories, you don't have to remember stuff,
and your testimony is consistent, right, because it was inconsistent
at any point, they would shred you to no end.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yep, No, that's very true. And I've testified under oath
multiple times before the January sixth committee, before I was
interviewed and interrogated by both the Department Justice and the FBI.
I testified before the Grand Juria, I testified before the
California State Bar all on this set of facts. Well,
Congress was the January six stuff, but other than Congress,
(37:55):
all my other testimonies are all related to Marlago case,
and nothing was inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Right, Yeah, and the January sixth is a whole another deal.
I feel all these citizens in what they've gone through,
I mean, you know, compared to what BLM and Antifa
had done to our country and here, you know, these
people were in shock. They go there to exercise their
constitutional right and they're invited into the into the capitol
(38:26):
in many cases. And now we're finding out that there
were over forty is all documented now, there's no question
about it. They you know, thank God for cash Patel
and Angino there are now revealing the truth of the
fact that we had over three dozen FBI agents on
the ground there.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Seventy four two and seventy four.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Now two hundred and seventy four, two hundred.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And seventy four FBI did. And the part that's particularly
discussing about that is they manufactured convictions of these people
without disclosing that that's braty evidence, that is material information
that is essential to the defense for the defendants to
be able to mount an effective defense in their case.
That's a violation of their constitutional right that they did
(39:09):
not disclose that to the defense prior to their prosecutions.
So everything about this reeks the Department of Justice, the
FBI rigged these trials in order to frame these innocent
Americans because it was for a political objective, and they failed.
They still failed at it. So every single one of
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these defendants, I hope that they can be made whole.
I don't know how you get back four years of
your life. Some of them were incarcerated for years with
no trial. I mean, you've got Jake Lang, he was
incarcerated for severty years with no trial, right, I mean,
it's just disgusting what they did to these people.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It really is. And the thing is, and you've had
I think at least two that had committed suicide from
the pressure of it all in the strain, and yeah,
I think it's you know, and if you look at
some sort of you know, lawsuit, you know, the thing
that discussed me is that the taxpayer is going to
end up paying for it. I know, I know, I mean,
(40:05):
you know, it's not it's not James Comy, it's not
it's not Hillary, it's not Nancy Pelosi for all that
they've done. And uh, and this is why you know,
people are concerned, you know about Donald Trump and retribution. No,
this is accountability, right, you know, you you have you've
broken the law, and you have to pay the consequences.
And one of the things I'd shared with another guess
(40:27):
that I had is the thing about consequences. If it's
not leveled on the individual that's responsible for the deed,
then that consequence is shared. And in this case, it's
going to be we the people sharing and carrying the
burden of the consequence of the criminal activity of Nancy
Pelosi and you know, the James Comy's and the Barack
(40:48):
Obamas the world.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah. No, I think you're completely right to the extent
that any fault of theirs is shouldered by the American people.
That's just another offense against the American people that they're
required to pay for. So, you know, whenever I have
people ask me to say, well, you know, don't you
think it's wrong for Donald Trump to politicize or weaponize
the Department of Justice or the justice system. First of all,
(41:11):
he wasn't the one that weaponized it. It was prior
administrations and it wasn't just Biden. Obama did as well
as you mentioned of the RAS cases. But Donald Trump
isn't going after people because they went after him. He's
going after people who came after us, and that's what
he's doing. He is holding people accountable who targeted the
American people unfairly. That's what this is.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Well, because if you don't, they'll always be there.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, they'll not only will they always be there the
next time they get in power, they will make it
so painful for us that we never get another chance
at running our own country. They will completely steal everything
from us.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
What you just said, I hope this is really landing
on the minds and the brains of the American people.
If we don't, then when it's their turn. I mean
you talk about retro on steroids. I mean, it will
really be out of control. And it was out of
control during the Obama years and certainly under Biden and
(42:09):
with Garland in that right.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, I mean, look at what happened in twenty sixteen.
You know, in twenty sixteen, all of President Trump's base
was chanting lock her up, lock her up. They wanted
Hillary Clinton in prison. And he got into office and said, no, no,
I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna let her heal.
I'm gonna let the nation heal.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yes, and thank you, thank you very much. What does
she do as a thank you, right.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
They unleash hell on him and anybody who supported him.
So if we thought that was bad, if we thought
the Biden years were bad, now that Donald Trump actually
is taking action, if he doesn't complete what he started,
if the American people don't support him and whoever's following
him to complete what he started, when they come back,
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it will be so much worse than the Biden administration.
It will be it will be unbearable. We won't ever
get our country back.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
I mean, it is really sadly it's that it serious,
But you know, life' lessons teach us that doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yes, absolutely, I mean, and that's part of why I
wrote Defiant. I mean, yes, there's a whole bunch of
information about mar A Lago and there in the Department
of Justice and the back and forth with Donald Trump's
cases and all of that, But it is my story,
and I say it in there, Yes it's my story.
But if we don't fix this, it will be yours.
And it's horrific. I had nine legal matters open in
(43:26):
three years. I mean that's why, because I'm a staff
attorney for the candidate of my choice, right exactly, Yeah,
Why why are all these cases open against me? I mean,
it's horrific what they're doing, and people need to be aware.
So yes, I want everybody to get all the information
and the dirty gossip about mar A Lago. But it's
really important that people understand what they're doing to ordinary
(43:48):
Americans because I may be on the front line, but
they're coming for you. They're coming for everybody after me.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Well, exactly, you and Donald Trump are in their way.
You know, That's what it is. Your book, Defiant is
your right as a bombshell, exposea the lengths the left
will go to maintain power, and a call to action
for Americans who refuse to let their country be lost
to tyranny and Christina. I mean as I'm really, I mean,
we were so close to losing this.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
We were. We're in a better position now, but we're
still close. Like it's not it hasn't been decided. We're
still in limbo. So I think the twenty twenty sixth
election is very important. I think twenty twenty eight is
very important, and I think what the Trump administration does
between now and then is very very important. So we'll
see how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Well, thank God for Scotus too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And I think they're coming around. I think, you know,
the amy Cony Barretts of the world. Initially we're trying
to play both sides, but I think they're starting to
realize we're going to lose our country if we allow this,
you know, crazy takeover by the left. So yeah, scotos
is hitting some big wins.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Did you send your book to each one of the members?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh, that's a good idea. I haven't, but I will.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, I think they should. This is must read for
them because what you have exposed here. I can only imagine,
you know, even with all your notes, as you're going
through and reviewing everything. I mean, talk about a catharsis.
I think you had to just go through all kinds
of evolutions as you're realizing just how bad this was.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah, and like I said, I'm still in it. And
so I feel a lot better now because the court
has thrown out my indictment, but they haven't closed the case,
and that's a very vulnerable place to be. And so,
you know, getting out of the dominion case was a
huge relief to me. That brought a lot of relief,
But I still need to get out of this criminal case,
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me and all of my co defendants.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Right exactly. So, And the thing is about dominion. See,
I think that there's a little bit of a cloud
between dominion and smart matic right right, Yeah, I mean,
and that that's yet to be determined. I think that
maybe Fox got a little excited, and maybe they're part
of the Republican establishment, and why they surrendered and offered
(46:12):
up Tucker Carlson is a sacrifice and paid all that
money a sacrificial lamb, right exactly. But but I think
there's you know, there's always more to the story, isn't there.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
There's always more to the story. And I think there's
a lot more coming out. Like I said, I think
I think there's going to be some more information coming
out from this administration, at least I hope. So we
need to in order to clean this up, We need
more to come out from the government.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
We got about three minutes left here, Christina. Next, what's next?
The next objective?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I think getting a few more indictments and actually forcing
some of these folks to defend themselves for what appears
to be crimes that they've committed. I think that's that
goes a long way to show that people will be
held accountable. We have to start putting these folks and
I say it's on the left, but it's the right
to I'm showing these people that they're going to be
held accountable if you break the law, and it's not
(47:04):
just one sided. And then some more exposure. Let's let's
dig in more, more in the intel community, more in
the FBI, and let's see what's really going on in there.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Can we expedite this? I mean, because you know Trump's
Trump's got a little over three years remaining. Yeah, you know,
the clock is running, and the Democrats know how to
play play the clock.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
They do well. That comes down to ham BONDI, cash
Betel And at the moment, Lindsay Halligan, the US attorney
in Virginia who's indicted, call me. Yeah. I mean that's
part of the game, right, is playing the clock. So
I am hopeful that they're on top of it and
that they'll push this along as quickly as possible. It's
up to call me. Whether he wants a speedy trial,
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you know, that's the right of a defendant to request
a speedy trial, or if he wants to try to
delay it, that'll be That'll be up to him. That's
the right of the defendant, but I'm hopeful that DOJ
is prepared either way.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well. Christina Bob inside Marlago raid and the Left's ongoing
lawfair a minute left, Christina closing summary on this Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Please check it out or we'll give you all the
details of a help frame the picture for you of
everything that happened and continues to happen in our government.
You can pick it up at Amazon, Barnes, and Noble,
wherever books are sold. You can visit my website at
Christinabob dot com or follow me on social media at
Christina Underscore Pop.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Christina Bob, You're awesome. Thank you for your service to
the country as a marine and as an attorney and
fighting a good fight on behalf of we the people.
Christina is the author of Defiant. She's an attorney in Washington,
d C. With an emphasis in national security law. Thank
you for being with us, Christina, take care, godspeed, Thank
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you so much. Bill, you got it our thanks to
Christina Bob. Wow, what a story. Huh well, Ted, this
is one that you need to get your hands on.
This book and also this interview. Get it out to
your friends and neighbors, because this really reveals the underbelly
of what we're dealing with here in our country and
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why we must do the things in order to preserve
our constitution and all our rights that go with it.
Thank you for being with us. God bless you. May
God bless you and keep you. May make His face
shine upon you. May He be gracious unto you and
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, hello and good afternoon. Bill Martinez here with you
and got a real treat for you. Christina Bob a
new book. We had spoken with her, I think about
a year a year and a half ago about the election,
the twenty twenty four election, and she's got a new
book titled Defiant. Inside the Marlago Raid and the Left's
ongoing lawfare. There's so much to this story, as you
(01:00):
know instinctively, and you knew from day one there was,
and fortunately for us, Christina was there as an eyewitness,
as an ear witness, everything that happened on that incredible
day when the FBI came upon mar Lago to invade
the president's personal home. And I know you're probably still wondering,
(01:21):
how could this be in the United States of America. Well,
this is a gripping, first hand expose of the coordinated
legal and I underlined that a coordinated legal and political
attack against Donald Trump and his allies, revealing the Deep
State's efforts to undermine democracy. Bob, welcome the show. Good
(01:42):
to have you with us. Bill Well, Christina, I'm glad
you could join us to talk about this book to
find inside the Marlago raid and the left's ongoing lawfair
Welcome the show. Good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, I'm excited to have everyone hear your story because
this is first and this is eyewitness air witness. You
were there at Marlago when this all came about, and
little did you know, I think you were sensitive. As
I was reading your book, your spidey senses kicked into
Garrett to realize that you were being pulled into a
(02:16):
bit of a hot potato and understanding that the Deep
State had already gone after Donald Trump in many ways,
and of course with your investigations and things that you
had come to reveal and realize with the twenty twenty election,
you knew you had to be on guard. And of
course the way other not only the president the lawfair
(02:39):
that was executed against him, but other attorneys as well,
So you instinctively knew that you were on kind of
hallowed ground here, right.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, it was pretty clear that the Department of Justice
was not actually after justice. They were purely operating on
political motivation to try to silence and support their political opponent,
Donald Trump, and they were willing to go to extraordinary
lengths to do so. They were willing to throw innocent
Americans in prison, most of them were the January six ers.
(03:12):
They were willing to upend the lives of many great,
great Americans who have worked hard, loved this country, Rudy Giuliani,
Mark Meadows, John Eastman, you know, Jeff Clark that there
are a lot of really.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Great Americans that the list is long, and very long.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
List, exactly. And then they were also willing to destroy
lives of Americans that just were in the mix, like
myself and my colleagues that might not have had the
name of Donald Trump or Rudy Giuliani, but I was
there working with them, you know, on behalf of their
political objectives, and as a result, you know, I wasn't
(03:50):
I wasn't allowed to continue the work that I was doing.
They were going to do everything they could to stop me,
and they were going to use the force of the
Department of Justice to do so, the Department of just
I mean, I was investigated by everybody, Congress, the Department
of Justice, State of Arizona, the California Bar the FBI.
I mean, I had everybody come after me in the
span of Apartment of Homeland Security in about three years,
(04:12):
you know, six months in and six months prior to
the end of the Biden administration. They I mean, they
threw everything they had. I mean, I'm still a criminal
defendant as we speak. Their case is falling apart, thankfully,
but they are still trying to destroy the lives of
Americans who were contesting the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't think people understand how diabolical this is and
what this is like for you, you know, personally. I mean, here,
you are former marine, you were a uh you you
were you were in the judge advocate right in the
Marine Corps. Yeahs, yeah, so you serve you serve the
Marine Corps. You get out of the Marine Corps, you
go into private practice, and along the way you end
(04:55):
up doing some work for Donald Trump. And uh, explain
how that how that began your relationship with the President Trump?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Right? So I got out of the Marine Corps and
joined the Trump administration. The first Trump administration, I was
at the Department of Homeland Security for that I was
the executive secretary there. And that was during the Miles Taylor, Chadwolf,
Chris Krebs era where they were all kind of running
interference on the Department of Homeland Security. So I knew
(05:24):
I very much and was very vocal in support of
President Trump, and so I knew I wasn't going to
really get anywhere with that crowd. So I decided to
get out and try to come back in. Of course,
I thought he was going to win the twenty twenty election.
I believe he did win, but I thought he was
you in.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
About ninety percent of America, yeah, And so.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I thought he would have his second term right away.
And so the plan was to get out and then
come back in, you know, in a different capacity. And
I ended up going to one American News. I left
the Trump administration went to One American News, and I mean,
what a time to become a reporter.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Right exactly, with all this inside information that you have
with you, Yes, exactly, Yeah, So you know.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It worked out. I became a reporter, you know, less
than six months prior to the twenty twenty election. I
ended up covering the twenty twenty election. I was there
on election. That's my first book, actually Stealing Your Vote.
But through that process, I actually got to know the
president because he was following my reports, he was watching
what I was reporting on, and I developed a connection
(06:27):
with him that way. And then, you know, obviously the
election didn't go the way we all anticipated it going.
And so I continue to report on the election, and
I continue to investigate and figure out what was going
on in all of these states. And through my investigation,
the President said, you know, we're putting together a team.
I'm making a comeback in twenty four. Why don't you
(06:48):
join my team and help me secure the election for
twenty twenty four, which is ultimately what I did. So
I began officially working for him in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well in Stealing Your Vote, The inside story of the
twenty twenty election, what it means for twenty two for
your first book. Uh, just sure that real quick for
our audience.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah. Well, the way I like to summarize it is
Democrats cheated and Republicans covered it up. It was very
much a bipartisan effort to get Donald Trump out of
the political game. I mean, we all saw what happened
on election day with them keeping Republicans out of the
counting rooms, boarding up the windows, the midnight ballot dumps.
(07:25):
I mean, the list goes on and on. Prior to that,
they set up the mail in ballot issue with COVID.
Uh you know, that gave them emergency authorization, which they
they meaning these liberal state secretaries of state and governors,
created these emergency plans where they just changed election law,
(07:47):
changed election on the fly, on the flight right, So
the whole manner in which the election was conducted was illegal.
And that, you know, that kind of blindsided everybody because
we were dealing with COVID, and everyone's kind of like, well,
what are we supposed to do with this? And so
that created a bunch of questions and a bunch of problems.
And then one the Republicans either didn't bother to fight
(08:08):
it initially and then after the fact, the Republicans were
covering it up. I mean, especially in places like Pennsylvania
in Michigan, it was the Republicans really working against those
of us who were trying to fight for transparency and
trying to do audits. And I spent a lot of
time in Arizona on the ground during that audit in
twenty twenty one. I reported live from the Arizona Audit
(08:31):
I think every single day, almost every single day. And yeah,
I mean it was the Republicans that really tried to
sweep it all under the rug.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think people are going to be surprised when they
first hear And of course we reported on this, and
you were on the show before and we talked about,
you know, the Republican cover up again. Can you unwrap
that just a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, Well, so, for example, the Arizona Audit was initiated
by the Republican Senate in response to the Republican constituent
or just the constituents in Arizona saying, hey, we don't
trust the results of our election. We want an audit.
So the Arizona Senate launched an audit. The people of
Pennsylvania started doing the same thing, started clamoring for an
(09:11):
audit in Pennsylvania, and it was the Republican Senate in
Pennsylvania that shut it down. They said, no, we're not
going to look into this. And it was Jake Corman specifically,
was the President of the Senate in Pennsylvania, Republican, who
did everything he could sport the effort. There was a
I think it's called the Government Accountability Committee or something
some similar name to that, where they were planning on
(09:34):
investigating through their committee and the President shut it down.
I mean, same thing happened in Wisconsin. They wanted an
audit in Wisconsin. The Republican Speaker of the Assembly in
Wisconsin was the one that shut down the audit that
the people wanted it instead hired this other team to
do it. And then when the people continued to push
back on that, he finally appointed a special council to
(09:57):
do an investigation in Wisconsin. And the special council found
that there was a prima facial case for bribery and
that the election in Wisconsin was conducted illegally and they
disbarred him for it. So rather than actually take it
into considerations, say hey, we need to prosecute these people.
They disbarred the special counsel who made the finding that
the election was conducted illegally and a violation of bribery
(10:20):
laws in Wisconsin. And that I mean that we say
the same thing in Georgia.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, I was going to ask you the same
thing in Georgia right now.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, And it's all Republicans Michigan. It was a Michigan
It was a Republican House and Senate in Michigan, which
they buried it. They issued a report saying you should
consider prosecuting people who are challenging the elections. This was
a Republican recommendation. So it was really the Republicans that
targeted the Trump supporters.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Wow, what was was it just the Republicans? The rhinos
in that are just they were just so disturbed by
the things that Donald Trump was doing because he was
an outsider. I mean, what what is the basis of this, uh,
you know, of this relentless attack against President Trump, especially
(11:09):
after all the good things he did in his first term. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well, you know, I don't know everyone's individual motivation, but
what it appears to me, if I could paint with
a broad brush, it appears that Donald Trump was changing
the political landscape. You know, he was changing the way
the game was played. He was changing the level of transparency.
He was extraordinary and continues to be extraordinarily accessible. He
communicates directly with the people, and the people were starting
(11:36):
to want more information from the government, and we're trying
to hold the government accountable. And the Republicans didn't want
that either, just like Democrats don't want that. So I
think the establishment Republicans didn't want the level of transparency
that MAGA wanted, and Donald Trump was driving that that,
you know, that was his agenda, and so they just
(11:57):
worked really hard to get him out.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, Christianea, the thing is is that all that Donald
Trump was revealing was the stuff that the majority of
Americans suspected. Yeah, you know, we suspected that all the
three letter agencies in our government were corrupt. We just
didn't have evidence. We just all everybody just spoke about
it anecdotally suspected this was the case, because I mean,
(12:21):
you didn't have to be a genius. You know, I
think sometimes we over analyze this stuff, but I always say,
just look at the fruit on the tree. Yeah, the
fruit on the tree is quite telling. And it's very obvious,
and here it is, and thank god for Donald Trump
beginning to reveal it. Now it's up to we, the people,
the basis of our constitution, to do something about it.
(12:41):
They spoke loud and clear in twenty twenty four, but
still the resistance continues.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Right, Yeah, I think it does. I think it's I
think you're right. They spoke very loud in twenty twenty four,
and I think we're continuously moving more towards being able
to hold the government accountable. But it's not at all
all a sure thing. I think the fact that there's
been an indictment on former FBI director Jim's comy, I
think that's a great first step that goes to show
(13:09):
that the indictments do go both ways. You know, the
liberals just want to throw conservatives in prison without being
held accountable for their own actions. So I'm happy to
see that indictment. I want to see more. I something
come for Bolton and then, you know, I've heard all
the rumblings that everybody else has heard, but I want
to see them. I want to see the indictments come out.
(13:30):
But yeah, I expect to see more.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
More on the way I was kind of changing. In
the other day with our daily audience, Christina that Donald
Trump and Milania were walking on the beach and they
came across some shelves that said, you know, uh, indict comy.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Right, just so happened, and just I was waiting, I.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Was waiting for that meme. I thought, somebody surely is
going to put that meme out there.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, I think I saw something like that. You know,
everyone changing Komy's stupid little beach walk.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I know, incredible, But so here, you know, this law
fair is just bubbling up and it's almost like it
really forced. And this is thing about Donald Trump. He's
such a catalyst for exposure. He's exposing the corruption on
both sides. To your point, I mean, they just can't
help themselves now. And guess what. The closet door is
wide open. Everybody's looking in and saying, well, this is unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, there needs to be more exposure. But I think
his second term is off to a much better start
than his first term. And I think Tulci Gabbard has
done an amazing job revealing what she's revealed. I expect
to see a lot more coming out of her office. Yeah,
I think cash battel. Like I said, the indictment of
call Me, I think is really good. I'm so proud
(14:42):
of Lindsay Halligan. I consider her friend. She's in the book.
She was with me at mar A Lago. So I
disclose our conversations there, but yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Want to talk. I want to talk about that day
at mar A Lago and how you were brought into
and finding yourself there on the property on that day
that you know makes you an eyewitness and an air
witness to all the events, and you know it's almost
it's almost a criminal activity by the FBI, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Sure? Yes, I think it is. I think I allude
to that in the book as well. I thought everything
was illegal. Everything that they were doing was illegal. They
never had probable cause to read mar A Lago. In
order to get the warrant, they had to lie to
a judge that had, I think it was six weeks
prior had recused himself from the Trumpy Clinton case because
he said he was incapable of being impartial. And then
(15:38):
they take an affidavit to the judge who has already
said he's incapable of being impartial, and they lie to him.
They don't disclose the fact that President Trump himself, not
just his legal team, but President Trump himself was incredibly transparent.
He said, to their faces, you can see whatever you want.
You know, you want me to show you around mar
A Lago. What do you want? They did not disclose
(15:59):
any of that in the affidavit, and the affid the
affidavit itself was very misleading into basically trying to say
that President Trump was obstructing justice. I mean, ultimately, that's
what they charged him with. It was never true. They
never had any evidence for it, but that's they had
to charge him with that because they couldn't bring the
case they wanted to bring in Washington, d C. The
original case was in Washington, d C. The grand jury
(16:22):
Sepina came out of Washington, d C. They were trying
to create this Hillary Clinton email scandal, espionage type case
about Donald Trump, and they thought, for sure, if we
can just read mar A Lago, if we can just
get into his storage clouset, we'll be able to show something,
and they couldn't. They never got the evidence, so they
couldn't get a conviction. I'm sorry they couldn't get an
indictment in Washington d C. So they had to move
(16:43):
to Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Christian, did you ever figure out what it was that
they were really looking for? I mean, yes, trip up
Donald Trump, you know, get in the way, invalidate another
potential presidential run. It seems like there's more to the story.
They were looking for something.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Seems to me I think their Trump derangement syndrome got
the better of them. Yes, I think they they were
looking for a unicorn. You know, they wanted to show
that Donald Trump is selling secrets to the Russians, or
you know, whatever crazy idea they had in their mind.
But it was never true. There was never anything there,
which is why they didn't recover anything to support that
(17:20):
crazy theory because it wasn't true. So I've heard theories
about them trying to recover crossfire hurricane documents, which is
totally possible.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
A part of me kind of finds it hard to
believe that they actually thought there would be crossfire hurricane
documents there, because we had shown them, we had shown
them the storage room. We had shown them where the
documents were, and it's like a storage closet, you know
what I mean, like it, you know, everyone's hall closet.
When you walk in the door and like throw your
coats in there. That's basically what it was. I mean
(17:50):
a billionaire's version of that. But that's you know, this
was not like a highly classified, you know, super secret
storage facility. It was it was secure, I mean had
multiple locks on it. It was in a very private
area of mar Lago. But it was just a storage
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well, even in the previous visit the FBI, the thing
they told them and said, can you put another lock
on the door?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, and there already were locks. It was guarded by
Secret Service, it was guarded by private security. It's on
a private residence. It was much more secure than any
of the other locations that prior presidents had stored their documents,
So there was no reason for the FBI to be
concerned about access to the documents. The documents were secured.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So you're telling us it was much more secure than
Joe Biden's garat.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
It was more secure than Joe Biden's garage or the
Pen Biden Center, you know, the Chinese the CCP paid
for center. I think George Bush had his in a
strip mall somewhere. Yeah. No, Donald Trump's documents were much
much more secure than any of the prior presidents.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So right, so here it is. I mean, you're you're
about your business and you get a phone call, he says, Christina,
we need you to be on location at mar Lago.
Do you got some time on your hands? Can you
go there and observe the FBI. There's going to be
this nondescript kind of meeting, you know, everything but coffee
(19:14):
and high tea. But your gut tells you if the
FBI is involved, there's more to this, right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, clearly, I mean you know I was flying blind,
as you said, you know, I wasn't part of prior conversations.
But obviously, if the FBI is involved, they're clearly trying
to set Donald Trump up for something. I mean, you know,
why would the FBI be involved if they weren't trying
to manufacture criminal activity, which ultimately is obviously what they did.
(19:44):
So yeah, so I was very cautious about participating. Of
course I did participate because you know, what are you
going to do? You can't ignore the FBI? Right, So
I did participate, and ultimately, ultimately everything played out the
way it should have. From our perspective, Donald Trump never
should have been indicted. Walt not Ow and Carlos del
(20:05):
Lavera never should have been indicted. None of the indict
none of the criminal proceedings ever should have happened, and
they never should have destroyed their lives and up into
their lives the way that they did. But they were
released from the incitement as they should have been. And
where things stand today, at least as the Jack Smith
cases go, is correct. Nobody was actually prosecuted other than
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Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
But meanwhile, you know, like you say, their lives and
some people are not necessarily in a posient. I mean,
you've gone through a strain and it's not cheap when
you're getting sued and having to go through all you're
going through. Yes, and we have people who are not
familiar with the legal system and they're being put through
the drain and everything and drug inside and out. I mean,
(20:51):
I pray that these people you know here, they're there.
They're in service to the president. I mean, they're just
there to you know, help around the house and that
sort of thing. And I'm sure President Trump has made
them all as much as he can. But this has
got to just been you know, just and I think
the psychological impact of it has just got to have
been tremendous.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh, it's HORRIFICCT It's absolutely horrific. Like I said, I'm
still going through it now. I'm still racking up monthly
legal bills because the State of Arizona still wants to
say that, you know, I tried to overthrow the United
States government or something stupid like that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Here, you are a former marine taking an oath that
lasts forever till the day we die that we will
protect our government and the Constitution against all enemies, foreign
and domestic, and you are you are doing everything to
violate that oath.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yes, right, right, right, that's what they're trying to say.
They don't have any evidence for it, which is why
the indictment has been thrown out. But they haven't closed
the case. So I'm still still working to get that
case closed. I'm hoping that that will come soon, but
still open for now. They still are, you know, defaming
me by operating around saying I'm a criminal. You know
(22:03):
the dominion laws. It was pretty devastating to me because
you had all of these pundits on TV saying I
was a liar. Ultimately, that case was also dismissed, but
they did a lot of damage. I mean, these this
law fair is incredibly damaging.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well yeah, I mean even to this day. I mean
you've got Senators and congressmen, you know, at hearings just saying,
you know, making statements like and challenging anybody who had
any questions about the twenty twenty election and being very
mean spirited about it. And the way in which they
do it, it's quite obvious that either they themselves are
(22:40):
not sure and believe it. I mean, you've got, according
to the polling, over sixty percent of America and I
think it's probably about sixty six sixty seven percent of
America does not believe in the twenty twenty election to
this day. So it's like, who are you trying to
convince me or the you know, three quarters or two
thirds of the America voter.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, well, I think they're counting on destroying the integrity
of our election. I mean, that's the way they keep
power is by rigging the election, not by trying to
win over hearts and minds. They're not trying to win
anybody over because they're pushing everybody away. They're so far
left that they're pushing everybody to the right. So I
don't think they have any real desire to win anyone over.
(23:23):
I think they just want to rig the elections. They
want no voter ID, they want all mail in ballots.
You know, they want to make it as difficult as
possible to have a clean, fair election so that they
can just steal the elections to stay in power. That's
what they want.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, without a doubt. It's all about power and control,
is what Lindsey Graham stated, as you'll recall and you
know that's what it is for them. Christina, do you
have a sense that I mean, yes, it became real
obvious that they stole the election in twenty twenty or
they they're up to the Shenanigans, whether it was smartmatic
or dominion and more and more. You know, we see
a lot of smoke. We're still looking for, you know,
(23:57):
some real fire, and I think we've we've touched on
some fire. But the courts don't want to acknowledge it.
People are reticent to acknowledge it, like you say, the
establishment and that. But you have the sense that this
is something that's been going on for a long time
and it's just one of those things that like in
every trajectory. It starts out where it's a little bit bad,
and each each election cycle it just gets worse and worse.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, yes, I do think COVID was especially bad. I
don't Twenty twenty four wasn't as bad as twenty twenty
was because we didn't have COVID, right.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But it didn't stop them from trying.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, that's true, that's true. So yeah, we still have
a long way to go about cleaning things out, you know,
two steps forward, one step back. We're working on it.
I think we can get there, but nothing is for sure, right,
you know, that's why every election cycle matters. Volunteer, become
a poll watcher or poll observer, whatever, People need to
be involved in the process. The more people we have
(24:54):
from each community involved, the better it's going to be.
I think I think we'll get to a point where
it's more secure than it is today. I don't think
it's ever going to be one hundred percent secure because
every year someone's trying to cheat, right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Exactly, well, systemically, it's it's a problem. And this is
why Trump and many of us believe get back to
one day of voting. Everybody takes the day off, just
like we used to one day of voting. It's you know,
mail in ballots. Only if you happen to be in
a military or there's some extreme emergency or something some
way that you can't make it to the ball in
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that day, that's it. No mail in voting, and your
vote counts on that day. You're not going to have
thirty days in which your vote can count because the
more time that you give it opens up that opportunity
of cheating. So you've got to eliminate all those avenues.
Potentially they could promote, you know, promote a breakdown in
(25:49):
the integrity of the vote.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Right, Yeah, that's exactly right. I think one day voting,
same day voting very rare exceptions for mail in ballots.
I think we need to get back to the precinct
level rather than having these big voting centers like the
State Farm Arena and oh yeah yeah, these big county
county wide voting centers. I think the ballots need to
(26:11):
be counted at the precinct level. That makes it significantly
harder to cheat. But yeah, no, I agree. I think
we can get there. We got to clean some things
out first, but but we can get there.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, I think we can get there with Donald Trump,
and we can get there with another. This is why
we need When when the election was going on in
twenty twenty four, I said four plus eight, people are
saying four years. No, I go four plus eight. You
got to think in terms of twelve years, the Democrats
combined between Obama and Biden had twelve years and then
some You could probably even count pentage of the Donald
(26:46):
Trump first term because of all the shenanigans they were
doing in the background.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Right, Yeah, yeah, no, I think that I think that's right.
I think Donald Trump is going to get us off
to a really good start with cleaning this up. I
think it's going to be incumbent upon the next incoming
president to finish that job. But I have no doubt
that Donald Trump is going to do everything you can
and get us pretty far down the road about cleaning
(27:11):
all of this up. But it definitely will be a
multicycle thing.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But it's clear we need somebody like a Donald Trump
who's got a spine and is committed to the American
people and the American idea. Now, getting back to mar Lago,
that day, you're there and they didn't even you offered, Hey,
i'll help you I got keys, I'll help you out here.
They wanted nothing with it. They kept you outside in
(27:37):
the heat, right.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah. They wouldn't let me observe what they were doing.
So mar Lago, you know, it's in a state, and
they were looking in a couple of different areas around
the estate. I could see what they were doing between
the rooms that they were looking at, because they would
have to go outside, you know, on the sidewalk to
go in between the rooms, so I can see that.
I can see what they were carrying in and out
(27:58):
of the rooms. I just couldn't see what they were
doing in the rooms. They would not allow me to
accompany them when they were actually doing the search, which
I thought was very weird. You know, I'm not they're
not required to allow me to hover over them for
the entire time, but they wouldn't let me see anything,
which to me that struck me as very suspicious.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And of course they didn't want you there when they
arranged you know, the mess, the picture of documents strewn
on the floor, like as if that was Donald's personality.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Right, Yeah, Well I saw them carry those cover sheets
into the office. Yes, so they those were cover sheets
that they brought with them, at least from my perspective.
They later argued in court that they found them on site.
I do not believe they did. I think because I
saw them. I saw them carry them in in a
clear rubber mayd bin. They carried them into the office,
which actually is not how you're supposed to carry the
(28:48):
cover sheets, but it's what they were doing. So yeah,
I mean I basically I wasn't allowed to be in
the room when they did it, but I basically watched
them stage that photo.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Do you even know, Christina, if every one of those
officials were authorized to handle top secret information, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I imagine they probably were. I would be surprised if
they weren't having a security clearance. And don't forget, it
was being run out of Washington, d C. And so
most of everybody who works in the federal government in Washington,
d C. Has has some level of a clearance. So
I suspect that they all did. But but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, Well, it just seems that as fast and loose
as they were operating. And that's the thing about people
that lie. It is like my dad used to say,
if you lie, you better have a great memory and
you better, you better be real good at dotting your
eyes and crossing your t's. And this is what we're
finding out right now with the Obama administration, even the
Biden administration, they were so deceptive that they can't possibly come.
(29:47):
They don't even remember all the lies they you know,
and all of a sudden you find burn bags that
are just lying around in a closet somewhere. You talk
about Joe Biden's garage. I mean, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah? No, I mean I don't. I don't think that
they are going to be able to keep their story straight.
I'm just hopeful, and I'm so grateful for you know,
Cash Betel and Tolsi Gabbard that are actually doing the
investigation to pull this out. I'm eager to see what
they come up with. Obviously, we need a lot more
(30:16):
exposure than what we currently have. I'm hopeful that they
are they are doing that. But I mean, we gotta,
we gotta gut, gut this information because there's been so
much that has been covered up. It's I mean, it's
essential to our country to clean out the rot right.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And I think that the tough hill to climb here,
Christine is that people can suspect that it's corrupt and
it's a problem. I just don't know how bad it is.
And then when you begin to realize, you know, the
deception took place with crossfire, hurricane, and you know how
this stuff led to the Oval Office, and many of
us who did any kind of research in studying on
(30:53):
this knew that knew that Barack and we still maintained
Barack Obama had to orchestrate this. I mean, he's he's
of course covered because he was the president of the
United States, and.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I wouldn't be that generous. You know, we have a
Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity. It is not absolute.
That's why Donald Trump's case wasn't dismissed because it's not
absolute immunity.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I don't know. I think Barack Obama is fair game.
I you know, I haven't seen all of the evidence.
I don't know what they're pulling out. And I firmly
believe in innocent until proven guilty. So I don't want to, yeah,
say anything about.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
This looks like a duck and talks like a duck.
I mean, you look at you know, Hillary Clinton, John
Kerry James, comey all these people out of his administration.
I mean, this seems like a playbook that sounds familiar
with what what Barack Obama did with Lois Lerner and
the Tea Party, you know, wink wink, And because he
knew the Tea Party was causing a lot of disruption
(31:48):
and he was going to have problems with his re
election campaign.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Well yeah, and you know who ran the prosecutions from
DJ for the Tea Party for all of that was
through the irs. You know who ran that?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Who Smith? Oh? Yes, yes, that's right, I did know that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
So Jack Smith did that, and then they appointed him
to do the same thing for Donald Trump after he
had also done the same thing for Bob McDonald when
he was running for governor of Virginia, which that case
was overturned unanimously at the United States Supreme Court. So
this is I mean, this is Jack Smith's playbook. That's
why they brought him in to do exactly exactly what
(32:24):
you're describing.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Right, I mean, I mean you talk about a lot
of good lawyers, you know, I think a John Eastman,
Sidney Powell, yourself, others that have been kneecapped by the
Democratic Party's Justice Department and what they've done to all
of you. And you you look at Jack Smith and
Mark Elias and some of these others, you go, what
(32:47):
are these guys doing with a law license?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes, I think that all the time. I had to
fight for my law license. I was reported to the bar.
There were a dozen people that reported me to the bar,
and I had to fight my license. I thankfully was successful.
I did get to keep my license. They found no
misconduct on my part, which is amazing. I'm so grateful
for that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You're a marine, Marines, we don't miss conduct.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
No, but neither did John Eastman or Rudy Jeliani. And
you know, my license is in California. At least the
one that I was fighting for was in California. And
I thought for sure they're gonna disbar me just because
I'm you know, with Donald Trump. They didn't. I was
grateful for. But but that that is the concern is
they're they're taking out the conservative attorneys who are willing
(33:33):
to fight, so eventually no one's going to be willing
to fight, and we're not going to have any resistance
to the tyrannical takeover that we're seeing. That's their goal.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Well, in your book to find inside to Marlago raid
and the lefts ongoing law fair. Uh, you relate your
meeting with with Donald Trump to tell him saying, hey,
this is what I'm you know, I kind of want
your blessing on this to make sure it's okay, and
tell us about that meeting in the Oval.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah. So I needed his permission to publish the book
because all the information that I have as a turning
plant privilege because I was on his legal team at
the time. So he had to give me permission to
publish it. And thankfully he did, and he also did
the forward for it, which I'm really excited about. But yeah,
I took the manuscript to him and said, hey, I
want to basically tell everybody everything, tell him what actually happened.
And I've got text messages and emails and all my
(34:23):
dialogue and all the back and forth with the Department
of Justice. And I showed him what I had and
he didn't. He didn't delay at all. He said, yeah, great,
I want to help you get it out. You don't
just get it out. So he was very transparent through
the whole thing. He wrote the forward to try to help,
you know, raise awareness to let people know, like, hey,
this is actually what happened, right.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So, yeah, did he take exception to anything.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
No, not a single thing. He did not ask me
to change a single thing.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
You know. It's amazing and and I appreciate your wiring.
I mean, you are a copious note taker. I really
this has been your life, right, I mean you were
a little kid, you were taking notes. I mean you
were taking notes for Santa Claus even, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
But I mean I kept on and I knew obviously
as soon as I found out the FBI and DJ
were involved, as like, okay, this is going to go
to litigation at some point, so I need to record
everything that's happening to make sure that if you know,
if I have a lawyer, which ultimately I did, my
lawyer knows exactly what's going on. I just want a
record of what's happening. So I I did. I took
notes at like within days of every meeting, within days
(35:31):
of the raid, within days of every single event that
transpired throughout the process. I just documented everything, and I
took pictures and you know, I just made a record
of everything that happened. And so actually putting the book
together was actually quite easy because I just took, you know,
took everything I had. I was like, well, look at
there's a book.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
So well that's that's uh, that's amazing. Uh. And and
God bless you for you know, for being that way.
And although I imagine for some people that want to
run the edges and stuff like that, you're probably a
bit of an annoyance, but you know, mostly but the
deal is, see, this is the thing. You know. Unfortunately,
our culture has gotten to the point where truth is
(36:14):
no longer a defense, it's an offense. And so anytime
you bring the truth, people are going to be offended.
In fact that you know here recently with the murder
of Charlie Kirk, he's out there promoting the truth and
it costume his life.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah. Yeah, No, it's true. The truth, the truth of
what you know, what defined is it is a true
and correct relay of everything that I experienced and everything
that I witnessed, everything I saw. Don't I don't think
anybody's going to be able to refute it, really because
like and I say this in a note in the beginning,
(36:48):
it comes from emails, text messages, eyewitness accounts that are
captured on CCTV footage on security camera footage, and my
negotiations back and forth with the Department of Justice. So
it's pretty it's pretty tight. I don't think I don't
think anybody's going to be able to refute what I'm
saying because it's all so well documented and recorded that
(37:12):
and I testified under oath multiple times about all of this,
right that, I just don't think anybody can say that
what I'm saying isn't accurate.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, And the thing is is that when you are,
you know, sold out on the truth, you don't have
to make up stories, you don't have to remember stuff,
and your testimony is consistent, right, because it was inconsistent
at any point, they would shred you to no end.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yep, No, that's very true. And I've testified under oath
multiple times before the January sixth committee, before I was
interviewed and interrogated by both the Department Justice and the FBI.
I testified before the Grand Juria, I testified before the
California State Bar all on this set of facts. Well,
Congress was the January six stuff, but other than Congress,
(37:55):
all my other testimonies are all related to Marlago case,
and nothing was inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Right, Yeah, and the January sixth is a whole another deal.
I feel all these citizens in what they've gone through,
I mean, you know, compared to what BLM and Antifa
had done to our country and here, you know, these
people were in shock. They go there to exercise their
constitutional right and they're invited into the into the capitol
(38:26):
in many cases. And now we're finding out that there
were over forty is all documented now, there's no question
about it. They you know, thank God for cash Patel
and Angino there are now revealing the truth of the
fact that we had over three dozen FBI agents on
the ground there.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Seventy four two and seventy four.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Now two hundred and seventy four, two hundred.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And seventy four FBI did. And the part that's particularly
discussing about that is they manufactured convictions of these people
without disclosing that that's braty evidence, that is material information
that is essential to the defense for the defendants to
be able to mount an effective defense in their case.
That's a violation of their constitutional right that they did
(39:09):
not disclose that to the defense prior to their prosecutions.
So everything about this reeks the Department of Justice, the
FBI rigged these trials in order to frame these innocent
Americans because it was for a political objective, and they failed.
They still failed at it. So every single one of
(39:29):
these defendants, I hope that they can be made whole.
I don't know how you get back four years of
your life. Some of them were incarcerated for years with
no trial. I mean, you've got Jake Lang, he was
incarcerated for severty years with no trial, right, I mean,
it's just disgusting what they did to these people.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It really is. And the thing is, and you've had
I think at least two that had committed suicide from
the pressure of it all in the strain, and yeah,
I think it's you know, and if you look at
some sort of you know, lawsuit, you know, the thing
that discussed me is that the taxpayer is going to
end up paying for it. I know, I know, I mean,
(40:05):
you know, it's not it's not James Comy, it's not
it's not Hillary, it's not Nancy Pelosi for all that
they've done. And uh, and this is why you know,
people are concerned, you know about Donald Trump and retribution. No,
this is accountability, right, you know, you you have you've
broken the law, and you have to pay the consequences.
And one of the things I'd shared with another guess
(40:27):
that I had is the thing about consequences. If it's
not leveled on the individual that's responsible for the deed,
then that consequence is shared. And in this case, it's
going to be we the people sharing and carrying the
burden of the consequence of the criminal activity of Nancy
Pelosi and you know, the James Comy's and the Barack
(40:48):
Obamas the world.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah. No, I think you're completely right to the extent
that any fault of theirs is shouldered by the American people.
That's just another offense against the American people that they're
required to pay for. So, you know, whenever I have
people ask me to say, well, you know, don't you
think it's wrong for Donald Trump to politicize or weaponize
the Department of Justice or the justice system. First of all,
(41:11):
he wasn't the one that weaponized it. It was prior
administrations and it wasn't just Biden. Obama did as well
as you mentioned of the RAS cases. But Donald Trump
isn't going after people because they went after him. He's
going after people who came after us, and that's what
he's doing. He is holding people accountable who targeted the
American people unfairly. That's what this is.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Well, because if you don't, they'll always be there.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, they'll not only will they always be there the
next time they get in power, they will make it
so painful for us that we never get another chance
at running our own country. They will completely steal everything
from us.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
What you just said, I hope this is really landing
on the minds and the brains of the American people.
If we don't, then when it's their turn. I mean
you talk about retro on steroids. I mean, it will
really be out of control. And it was out of
control during the Obama years and certainly under Biden and
(42:09):
with Garland in that right.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, I mean, look at what happened in twenty sixteen.
You know, in twenty sixteen, all of President Trump's base
was chanting lock her up, lock her up. They wanted
Hillary Clinton in prison. And he got into office and said, no, no,
I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna let her heal.
I'm gonna let the nation heal.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yes, and thank you, thank you very much. What does
she do as a thank you, right.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
They unleash hell on him and anybody who supported him.
So if we thought that was bad, if we thought
the Biden years were bad, now that Donald Trump actually
is taking action, if he doesn't complete what he started,
if the American people don't support him and whoever's following
him to complete what he started, when they come back,
(42:51):
it will be so much worse than the Biden administration.
It will be it will be unbearable. We won't ever
get our country back.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
I mean, it is really sadly it's that it serious,
But you know, life' lessons teach us that doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yes, absolutely, I mean, and that's part of why I
wrote Defiant. I mean, yes, there's a whole bunch of
information about mar A Lago and there in the Department
of Justice and the back and forth with Donald Trump's
cases and all of that, But it is my story,
and I say it in there, Yes it's my story.
But if we don't fix this, it will be yours.
And it's horrific. I had nine legal matters open in
(43:26):
three years. I mean that's why, because I'm a staff
attorney for the candidate of my choice, right exactly, Yeah,
Why why are all these cases open against me? I mean,
it's horrific what they're doing, and people need to be aware.
So yes, I want everybody to get all the information
and the dirty gossip about mar A Lago. But it's
really important that people understand what they're doing to ordinary
(43:48):
Americans because I may be on the front line, but
they're coming for you. They're coming for everybody after me.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Well, exactly, you and Donald Trump are in their way.
You know, That's what it is. Your book, Defiant is
your right as a bombshell, exposea the lengths the left
will go to maintain power, and a call to action
for Americans who refuse to let their country be lost
to tyranny and Christina. I mean as I'm really, I mean,
we were so close to losing this.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
We were. We're in a better position now, but we're
still close. Like it's not it hasn't been decided. We're
still in limbo. So I think the twenty twenty sixth
election is very important. I think twenty twenty eight is
very important, and I think what the Trump administration does
between now and then is very very important. So we'll
see how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Well, thank God for Scotus too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And I think they're coming around. I think, you know,
the amy Cony Barretts of the world. Initially we're trying
to play both sides, but I think they're starting to
realize we're going to lose our country if we allow this,
you know, crazy takeover by the left. So yeah, scotos
is hitting some big wins.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Did you send your book to each one of the members?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh, that's a good idea. I haven't, but I will.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, I think they should. This is must read for
them because what you have exposed here. I can only imagine,
you know, even with all your notes, as you're going
through and reviewing everything. I mean, talk about a catharsis.
I think you had to just go through all kinds
of evolutions as you're realizing just how bad this was.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah, and like I said, I'm still in it. And
so I feel a lot better now because the court
has thrown out my indictment, but they haven't closed the case,
and that's a very vulnerable place to be. And so,
you know, getting out of the dominion case was a
huge relief to me. That brought a lot of relief,
But I still need to get out of this criminal case,
(45:48):
me and all of my co defendants.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Right exactly. So, And the thing is about dominion. See,
I think that there's a little bit of a cloud
between dominion and smart matic right right, Yeah, I mean,
and that that's yet to be determined. I think that
maybe Fox got a little excited, and maybe they're part
of the Republican establishment, and why they surrendered and offered
(46:12):
up Tucker Carlson is a sacrifice and paid all that
money a sacrificial lamb, right exactly. But but I think
there's you know, there's always more to the story, isn't there.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
There's always more to the story. And I think there's
a lot more coming out. Like I said, I think
I think there's going to be some more information coming
out from this administration, at least I hope. So we
need to in order to clean this up, We need
more to come out from the government.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
We got about three minutes left here, Christina. Next, what's next?
The next objective?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I think getting a few more indictments and actually forcing
some of these folks to defend themselves for what appears
to be crimes that they've committed. I think that's that
goes a long way to show that people will be
held accountable. We have to start putting these folks and
I say it's on the left, but it's the right
to I'm showing these people that they're going to be
held accountable if you break the law, and it's not
(47:04):
just one sided. And then some more exposure. Let's let's
dig in more, more in the intel community, more in
the FBI, and let's see what's really going on in there.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Can we expedite this? I mean, because you know Trump's
Trump's got a little over three years remaining. Yeah, you know,
the clock is running, and the Democrats know how to
play play the clock.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
They do well. That comes down to ham BONDI, cash
Betel And at the moment, Lindsay Halligan, the US attorney
in Virginia who's indicted, call me. Yeah. I mean that's
part of the game, right, is playing the clock. So
I am hopeful that they're on top of it and
that they'll push this along as quickly as possible. It's
up to call me. Whether he wants a speedy trial,
(47:47):
you know, that's the right of a defendant to request
a speedy trial, or if he wants to try to
delay it, that'll be That'll be up to him. That's
the right of the defendant, but I'm hopeful that DOJ
is prepared either way.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well. Christina Bob inside Marlago raid and the Left's ongoing
lawfair a minute left, Christina closing summary on this Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Please check it out or we'll give you all the
details of a help frame the picture for you of
everything that happened and continues to happen in our government.
You can pick it up at Amazon, Barnes, and Noble,
wherever books are sold. You can visit my website at
Christinabob dot com or follow me on social media at
Christina Underscore Pop.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Christina Bob, You're awesome. Thank you for your service to
the country as a marine and as an attorney and
fighting a good fight on behalf of we the people.
Christina is the author of Defiant. She's an attorney in Washington,
d C. With an emphasis in national security law. Thank
you for being with us, Christina, take care, godspeed, Thank
(48:44):
you so much. Bill, you got it our thanks to
Christina Bob. Wow, what a story. Huh well, Ted, this
is one that you need to get your hands on.
This book and also this interview. Get it out to
your friends and neighbors, because this really reveals the underbelly
of what we're dealing with here in our country and
(49:06):
why we must do the things in order to preserve
our constitution and all our rights that go with it.
Thank you for being with us. God bless you. May
God bless you and keep you. May make His face
shine upon you. May He be gracious unto you and
give you peace. Take care
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