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Well, good afternoon, and welcometo the show. I'm Bill Martinez.
Great to have you with us.We hear chants from the Pacific to
the Atlantic here in this country ofours, shouting that from the river to
the sea. And this is happeningin universities across the country, sadly.
And these kids you question, youknow, I thought they were there to
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be educated. Instead, it lookslike they were there spending a lot of
money, in many cases their parents'money, as much as one hundred thousand
a year for this education or indoctrination as it seems to be. The
kids are influenced by, you know, the professors and their peers on campus
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shouting I'm Hamas and from the riverto the sea, and somehow ignorantly or
they're just so ideologically fixed away fromthe truth, they don't understand. What
they're shouting is the very thing thatthey're disclaiming, and that is genocide.
That's what that means. Plus ontop of that, what they fail to
acknowledge and understand is right now,it's Israel, but the same people they're
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Hamas and the terrorists Hezbollah, thehoodies, Iran, these rabel rousing Arab
nations that are attacking Israel, thatwant Israel remove from the face of the
earth. Their second target is theUnited States of America, okay, And
these universities seem to be totally obliviousto that real world concept. And so
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the question is where is the leadershipon all points from the Oval Office down
throughout these universities. What is missingis leadership with us right now to talk
about This is the co author ofDistantly Speaking. His name is Brent Hamichek,
and he says, change the words, change the war. He's the
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vice president and associate publisher for HumanEvents Media Group. Brent, welcome the
show. Good to have you withus. It's good to be here.
Thanks so much for having me,Bill, It's a real privilege. Well,
I got to tell you the timingof your book, some people might
think you were, you know,looking into some prophetic revelation of a ball
of some sort that you know,it just seems that it was perfect timing
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in light of what's happening in ourculture today. Well, thank you for
that. One of the things that'sfun is that as I traveled around and
talked about the book and then beenasked questions about current events along the way,
is that I actually stop and realizejust how much ground is covered in
this book. And the reason thatI've covered so much ground and an order
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appears to is because it is abook of ideas, and it's a book
of philosophy. So what happens thenis that philosophy is something that you carry
along with you and then you applyto what's taking place, whatever it might
be. So allow me to applya little bit to what we're seeing here
on the college campuses. First ofall, within the book, I have
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a chapter that's dedicated to the politicaldivision in America. We use the terms
right and left, and I makethe argument I believe quite compellingly that those
two terms mean absolutely nothing in anysort of real sense. They're just insults
we use. But I argue thatthere's two teams in America, Team Right
and Team Left, and they haveplatoons on each team, and one of
the platoons on Team Left is thepro Palestinian platoon. And right now,
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that platoon is the most important platoonon that team, and it has risen
in elevation. It's at the topof the team chart, and it is
in the field, and it isgarnering attention from the rest of Team Left.
That's what you do. You cheerfor your teammates. And so we
see it gaining all sorts of attentionand a bit of power and influence.
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And I say that because even whilewe see police being called into campuses and
finally making some arrests, Let's makeno mistake, the inmates are running the
asylums on these forty eight plus campusesexactly where these things are taking place,
and so this is all quite predictable. There's different elements at work there,
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of course, is the George Soroselement that is funding these activities and importing
everything from food to pro testers toin tief of members. We know from
our reporting at Human Events Media group, the post millennial folks like Andy No
and Jack Pisovic. We know Antifais involved in these right, So there's
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an outside element stoking it. Butin terms of the students themselves, you
know what's taking place here. AndI make an argument in the book and
I'll make it here on your showthat human beings are not fundamentally good creatures.
They're fundamentally quite nefarious. In orderfor any movement to really be successful,
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it needs to have a strong elementof hate within it. What we're
seeing right now on the college campusesis just this simple, and that is
students on these campuses have been givenpermission to organize in groups and hate other
people, break things, swear,throw things, and do harm. This
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isn't something that we should be surprisedabout. This is who and what we
are and we regrips with that.Yeah, then this is why we need
a moral code. Without a moralcode, everything is cast to the wind.
And this is what's happening exactly asyou're saying this, Brent, because
there's no restraint on this. Youknow, the selfishness and incivility is running
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rampid. I mean, what next, they just decide, Okay, I'm
not going to stop at a stopsign anymore. I'm not going to obey
the laws and violate, you know, the trust of their fellow men because
we exist in this society and wecan cohabitate when we can count on the
other person stopping at the stop sign. Isn't it that basic? Well,
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it is that basic. I meanI used to do a lot of business
with very affluent people, some ofwhom would come from in much inherited wealth,
and they were what we would calltrust fund kids. And of course
just doesn't apply to everyone. ButI had somebody explain to me once when
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we were watching the reckless sort ofbusiness behavior of one of those people.
He said, you know, soand so has lived a life without consequence.
And that was a very interesting statementthat stayed with me for years.
And so what happens to human beingswhen they're allowed to live without consequence?
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Why, I'd suggest what happens tothem is what we're seeing at Columbia and
UCLA and elsewhere. There is acalculation at work. It's a rational calculation
on the part of these seemingly irrationallybehaving students, and that is I can
go into the library, barricade thedoors, break a bunch of stuff,
destroy property, and nothing is goingto happen to me. Now, you
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give any human being, almost anyhuman being, that opportunity, and they
will go out and they will lockthemselves in a library and they'll break windows
and destroy property, or they'll goin and smash and grab retail stores in
California up to one thousand dollars,no harm, no foul. So the
culture has conditioned. I mean,we had the Summer of Love after the
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George Floyd riots and look at allthe damage anywhere from two to four billion
dollars of damage, loss of jobs, loss of life, injuries to police
officers and others. Unbelievable. Whathappened that the media, who I believe
is all complicit in this because they'refailing to do their job as journalists and
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report objectively. They're reporting out oftheir biased political bubble. And so they
tell us, as buildings are burningin the background that this is, you
know, a mostly peaceful riot,right, Well they do, they don't.
It depends I actually do something thatsounds like a form of likely,
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you know, self inflicted torture toyour audience members. But I get a
kick out of watching ABC World NewsTonight every evening with David Muir. Why
would I do such a thing.I have a ton of admiration for how
they do what they do, Thelevel of propaganda, the cinematography, the
subtleness with which messages are delivered isreally quite remarkable. That said, I
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watch them every night. That's asmainstream media as you can get. I
watch them struggle with how they're portrayingthis, you know, because they they
don't want to appear to be antiIsraeli. They certainly don't want to appear
to be anti Semitic, and yetthey also want to make sure that they
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support Team Left. The media isnot media is not part of Team Left.
They are a supporter of it.And so you're exactly right. Brand.
See, this is what creates theproblem is that once you're so ideologically
fixed, it really ruins your abilityto be objective. I'm going to remind
everybody we're talking with Brent Hamichek.He's the co author of Distantly Speaking,
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Change the Words, Change the War. He's also the vice president Associate publisher
for Human Events media group. Brentgo ahead and pick it up from there,
right. Well, so the mainstreammedia is struggling with this. I
can tell you that conservative media isstruggling with this. And the reason they're
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struggling with it is because if you'rea conservative commentator and you appear to be
too pro Israel, then what happenswhile on social media, which everyone seems
to worry quite a bit about thisalternative universe in which we live on social
media, you immediately are being calledas someone who supports genocide. By the
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way, the mere use of theword with regard to what's happening with the
Israeli military action and calling it it'sjust preposterous. It doesn't mean that you
have to agree with what Israel's doing. You can even think it's awful,
terrible and everything else. Stop usingthe word genocide. If it were genocide,
every Palestinian in the West Bank Gazawould be dead. They would kill
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them all. That would be genocide. And that's not what's happening. So
let's refrain from hyperbole and silly languageif with regard to that. But but,
but if you're a conservative and youreally want to support Israel, you're
sensitive to having people say, well, then you're in favor of slaughtering Palestinian
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babies. And so everybody's struggling withthis, and I don't think we should
be struggling. In my mind,again, I'm a simple man. I
think we just should simply be lookingat this in a couple of different ways.
But they are different ways. Oneis, as the United States as
a nation state, what matters tous in terms of alliances, in terms
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of what they are and where theyare. I would suggest to you that
having Israel is an ally in theMiddle East is an important useful thing for
us, So we should support ingeneral our ally. We don't have to
agree with them, we don't haveto endorse them. But the last time
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I checked, we fought alongside Stalin. Israel's not Stalin, and so from
an alliance standpoint, Israel should matterto us. As to the rest of
it, let's be clear, theproblem in the Middle East, the problem
in the Middle East is not solvable. It can never be solved. There
is no solution to this. Soall you'll ever be able to do is
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quell it for a while, haveperiods of peace and tranquility. And it's
only been going on for thousands ofyears, right, Brent, that's right,
So we can't solve it. Andif we want to start to talk
about, you know, what aboutthe human cost, what about what to
do in terms of humanitarian things andother things, that is a separate conversation,
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and I think it's a reasonable onefor people to have. But so
long as everybody realizes going in,they can't solve the problem. That's the
one mistake that you can make thatwould be fatal. There is no solution
to this. Yeah, exactly.Well, but meanwhile, you have people
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that do not have a grasp ofhistory, including our US government, that
continues to interfere in the Middle East. I mean, like right now,
I mean you have Biden, thePresident of the United States, calling for
a regime change in Israel when they'rein the middle of a war. Really,
I mean, that's insane. Well, of course it might be to
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distract attention from the fact that manypeople are calling for regime change within his
own administration. It's were it notfor him happening to be president of the
United States, very difficult to takeanything. Joe Biden says, seriously,
clearly, clearly suffering from dementia.That's not a debatable fact that's obvious to
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anyone who's ever had a family memberexperience it. So at this point in
time, he always was a badguy. Now he's a bad guy with
deteriorating mind. Not a great combinationin terms of how we who we listen
to, or how we take themseriously. But the United States overall would
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do well to remember that we needallies. We don't need surrogates per se.
We don't need countries to be exactclones of either what it is we
are or what we perceive ourselves tobe. We're hardly saintly in our own
behavior, but we do need allies. And the suggestion that someone in or
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or you know, anywhere around Israelwould replace Israel as that Middle East ally
is well, I mean, that'sjust sort of an ignorant presumption. So
we do well to protect and preserveby ally, all the while attempting to
bring some sort of halt to regular, good old fashioned human suffering as best
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we can. But preserving our allyis what's in our fundamental interest in what
has to come. Me first,well, Brent, you know, for
me, I look at what's goingon, and it's like we've lost sense
of our mission. You know whois America these days? You know?
Marco Rubio said, and I believein the twenty sixteen election campaign, when
he's running for president, he saidthat we're in a position now where our
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allies no longer trust us and ourenemies no longer fear us. That's because
we've lost I believe we've lost senseof mission. We've disconnected from two very
important documents, those founding documents,a Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.
And when you lose sight of thatand the foundation of your being and as
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you say, the American idea,then who is America? I can say
this without much question or doubt whatsoever. I can say this at the international
community knows Joe Biden. Well,yes they do. They know him for
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better and mostly worse. There's noquestion about that. I make the argument
in the book that the United Statessince World War Two is the most failed
nation of consequence in foreign policy inall of human history. Doesn't mean they're
the most failed. That means they'rethe most failed of consequence. We have
done virtually everything wrong since the endof World War Two, and to the
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extent that we've done anything right,like forcing the collapse of the Soviet Union.
We had help, and we alsohad it's sheer, water logged weight,
caving it in upon itself. Butwe make bad choices. We don't
make choices based upon any sort ofprinciple or philosophy. We you know,
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you take a look at our recentaid package to Ukraine, which is really
an aid package to defense contractors.It's a fraction of it goes to Ukraine
itself. You said, what arewe doing here? Well, I think
I've got this figured out. Idon't think it's complicated. I think the
politicians just spent a lot of moneywith defense contractors so they can make money,
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so that they can donate money backto those same politicians. I think
I've got that right exactly. That'show the wheels on the bus go around
and around. Brent. You know, that's that's right. And and if
that sounds cynical to people, it'snot. It's a function of critical thinking
and observation. I'm not I'm nota cynic in the least, but I
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am realistic. And the people wehave had in Washington for decades now have
had very little concern for the UnitedStates and its primary interests, and even
less so for worrying about the impactof what we do internationally, just so
long is for a while we canmake a little bit of money in terms
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of doing it a little bit.I mean we're talking about lots of money.
We're thirty five trillion dollars in debt, and they keep going to the
treasury, and the Democrats need votes, so you know, they just this
is the machine. As you said, it doesn't take a genius. It
just takes somebody to ask the rightquestions. And as people of faith know,
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you will know them by the fruit. So look at the fruit of
the tree, and you see what'sbeing fed. And it is this industrial
complex that Eisenhower warned us about.But it seems that it's not only just
a military industrial complex. Everything isturned into an industrial complex, whether it's
you know, the Green New Deal, whether it's the educational system that we
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have, the failed educational system,right on down. The entire bureaucracy has
become a you know, kind ofa growing blob of its own, just
chewing up everything in its way.And meanwhile, the American people think that
we're still being controlled by the constitution, right, you know, I think
one of the hardest things for peopleto understand and accept is that the American
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economic model, our system right nowis a very classical fascist system. So
we have a very large centralized governmentthat has managed over time through regulator,
through regulation, and through various actsof legislative favoritism to create very large companies
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in all the key silos. Sowe have large, large, powerful players.
One example is go ahead and googlethe number of banks that existed,
you know, twenty years ago versustoday and then prior to DoD Frank,
Yeah, exactly, and then googlethe concentration of wealth within those banks.
So what does this mean? Wehave a very strong central government that is
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able to partner with very large corporateplayers in all key industries and act in
unison to plan, manage, andoversee political, economic and social activity.
That's a fascist model, that's rightout of Mussolini's Italy exactly. So we
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have a fascist, fascist national modelnow in terms of economic and political activity.
And that's a hard thing for peopleto understand, right They just,
well, of course, we don't. We have a we have a free
market, we have a republic.We have look at how the structure is
formed and how it's hoped exactly.It's kind of crept It's kind of crept
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in on us, hasn't it,Brent? It has, and it's crept
in over what I argue in thebook, I give a one hundred plus
year timeline and a number of keyevents that have taken place, different threads
that have run, that have cometogether at this point what is happening.
Though. We don't live in alinear world, and so it's not as
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though this has been happening by onedegree a year for one hundred years.
It happens in spurts, and atthis moment in time, it's been happening
at an increasing rate, no question, especially seen that since twenty twenty.
Yeah, well, I think youknow, Barack Obama introduced it. He
said, get ready for the fundamentaltransformation of America. And eight years of
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you know, some transformation, alittle break there because we had Donald Trump
in the middle, and then JoeBiden has come back with a vengeance.
He has in one of the thingsthat's interesting though about Donald trum presidency,
and it's neither to applaud it orcondemn it. It is to say this
people, you know, it makessense. I understand why you say we'd
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have sort of a four year break. But I would just simply ask the
question thoughtfully, did we so federalbureaucracy grew, We had the start of
the pandemic under it, and wehad all the Trump administration decisions that were
made along the way inside of thatthat are far more than questionable, and
they were at the moment, notjust in hindsight. We had a Republican
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House and Senate to go along withTrump at the start. They didn't accomplish
anything legislatively except a very bad taxbill and the First Step Act, which
to me was in general a goodpiece of legislation. So did the Trump
presidency really give us any kind ofbreak? And I bring the point up
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for this reason. We're in anelection year. And here's what I fear.
I don't fear the obvious, whichis Trump losing to say Joe Biden
or whoever is on the ticket.But there's a reason why even if you're
a Trump supporter, you should atleast, if not be afraid of him
winning. You should make sure youreyebrows are raised a little bit and you're
paying attention because if he wins anelection, how many people will go like
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this and say, there we didit. Look at that, and then
they'll put all their toys down andthey'll go home and they'll rest. Donald
Trump was just president eight years ago, and look where we are. So
if he's reelected, remember he'll bea lame duck the day he takes office.
He will not have sixty votes inthe Senate, so he won't be
able to do much legislatively. Andthe other side is not going to go
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away, and they're going to comeat him even harder than they did for
those four years that he was inoffice. So I just share that so
people understand we got here over onehundred plus years. A lot of different
people were presidents and senators and representativesand governors during that period of time.
If we're going to come out ofthis thing, it's probably going to take
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one hundred years, and it won'tmake a whole lot of difference who's president
for the first four So be mindful. Yeah, without a doubt, we're
talking with Brett Hamichik. He isthe co author of Dissidently Speaking, Change
the Words, Change the War.Brent, this is why you know,
in talking about Donald Trump in thesefour years, this is why we've been
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saying Number one is critical his choice. A vice president has to be a
vice president that can pick up thebaton and take it. I mean,
you know, you've got Obama andBiden in essence having twelve years. This
is an opportunity for Republicans to havetwelve years for more with Trump and eight
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with his successor. We would expectthat to be his vice president choice that
would carry on the baton. Butbeyond that, we've been insisting that you've
got to send reinforcements with Trump,you have got to, you know,
hit the down line line ballot insuch a way that you're sending quality congressmen
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and senators from your state to reinforcewhat you want accomplished. I mean,
clearly, what we're seeing, asyou said, the resistance is so forceful.
Not to mention the fact that,you know, for the Democratic Party,
power and control is the very airthat they breathe. It's not about,
you know, good policy or goodlegislation. It's only about power and
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control. In my humble opinion,and maybe, uh, I don't I
don't know how to alter those wordsbecause I'm looking at the fruit of their
administrations and how they how they vote, and I see it that they're so
ideologically fixed that it's going to be, like you said, maybe one hundred
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years of experience where that they realizethat, you know, gravity still exists.
Well in your point is well takenout, you know, that sort
of downline sending the right people.But it's not about sending a Republican instead
of a Democrat. It's about sendinga decent Republican and good luck finding one.
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I mean, you know that peopleOftentimes when I'll you know, somebody
is kind enough to have me ontheir show like you are today, They'll
they'll rattle off a list of DemocraticHouse members and senators who they see as
you know, a big part ofthe problem. And you know, and
I'll kind of say, I agree, And how about Mitch McConnell, and
how about Speaker Johnson? And youknow a handful of other Republicans I can
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name. These are these people arejust as complicit and just just as duplicity.
And when why do you think thatis, Brent? Why do you
think that is? Oh? Ithink the answer to that is quite simple.
I think that in general, AngeloCodovia had it right in twenty twelve
when he wrote about the ruling class. I think that the people that go
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to Washington either go there for thepurpose of maximizing power, profit, privilege,
and prestige, or if they don't, soon upon their arrival they learn
about their ability to do so,and then they become corrupted by it.
And I don't think they end upcaring at all about the people that sent
them the promises. They made easierto run by the way on a promise
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than an accomplishment, so they canjust continue to promise. But in the
meantime they benefit themselves extraordinarily on apersonal level, and we are we become
their subjects. Yeah, I thinkit's in some sense, you know,
in terms of I've always believed thatpeople should be given a fair chance to
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be successful. Fair chance to winis what I call it, Brent.
And we're sending people who maybe forfirst day are like you said, well
intentioned. They give you the promiseon the campaign trail and all that good
stuff, and then we send theminto the belly of the beast, and
as soon as they get there,they're immediately shocked with the reality as they
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go through orientation and they tell them, you know, first of all,
I ask them me, what doyou think your number one job is,
and they go, well, youknow, I've got my constituents say this
and that, and this is whyI should focus on They go at wrong.
Your number one job is to getreelected. So you got to think
in terms of everything that you dohere promotes your reelection. So suddenly all
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those promises, all those things youknow for your constituency back home, they
become subordinate to you being re elected. So you know, that's the paradigm,
and that is the disease of theentire Beltway. This is what they
think. Just like you said,you laid it out. It's power,
it's control, it's self aggrandizement,it's taking advantage, it's doing what Nancy
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Pelosi has done over the years andother politicians. I mean, what is
she worth now? One hundred andthirty four million dollars on a less than
two hundred thousand dollars a year salary. You've got Kamala Harris. I know
these are Democrats, but you cansay the same thing with the Republicans.
I'm just familiar more with them.Kamala Harris, I think when she entered
in as vice president was worth somethinglike maybe three or four million. Now
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she's worth over thirteen million dollars inless than three years, you know,
So to your point, this iswhat happens. This is how the beltwegh
just choose these people up and herewe are. We keep voting them in
and we throw them into the machine, and then we wonder why we don't
get what we paid for right well, and it's it is a direct reflection
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of the actual people themselves being elected. You talked about the machine chewing them
up. You can't choose steel,and we don't send steeled people where America's
best and brightest don't want run foroffice. If there's anybody you know that,
perhaps there might be two requirements torun for for Congress. The first
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is that you take an ethics courseand the second one is that you passed
it. Yeah, because because certainlywe don't. We aren't sending people there
with any sort of ethical foundation.We have four hundred and thirty five plus
another one hundred, you know,five hundred and thirty five folks who are
basically pure moral relativists, and theirdaily calculation is to maximize pleasure and avoid
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pain, and that all comes atour expense, comes at minimizing our pleasure
as Americans, and maximizing our pain. And this has been going on for
a very long time. It getsworse with each election cycle. We seem
to just when we think we can'tgo any lower with the people that are
in Washington, we find a way. So we'll see how deep we sink
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this November. Well, unfortunately,it's the ugly side of the human condition
and our levels of creativity. Wewere warned of this and we see it
happening before our eyes. And Brent, I think some people, you know,
they're they're ready to throw their handsup in the air and just say
I surrender, you know, Imean, barring God himself coming back to
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straighten this out. This is sucha mess when you have you know,
politicians that are so willing to kill, you know, kill babies in the
womb to you know, alter thegender of young boys and girls, you
know, to expose them to pornography, you know, levels of pornography that
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you and I you know, couldn'teven get close to when we were kids.
Now our kids can go in thelibrary and have access or even in
classrooms being you know told to youknow, read pornographic books. I mean,
this is just insane where we areand it's untenable. I mean this,
this destroys societies, and here weare. You know, when you
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consider that the average nation historically lastsabout two hundred and fifty years, is
if America is approaching its expiration date, what do you say? Well,
it could very well be. Soa couple of thoughts. Number one,
with regard to people getting ready tothrow up their hands, my thought is
this, don't and don't throw up. By saying don't throw up your hands,
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I don't mean that you have toget involved in political things. One
of the big mistakes that we makeis to think that, you know,
all we can do is sort ofrun for office or vote for the right
person who's running for office. Thereis an extraordinary amount of work that needs
to be done one human being toanother to try to restore the ideas that
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natural law, individual liberty, humanfreedom matter, and to show people that
those things are increasingly being taken away. You don't have to run for officer,
cast to vote to be part ofthat fight. There's all kinds of
things you can do, whether it'sat your dining room table or in the
public square in your town. Giveup for those who are waiting for God,
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to come and help. I wouldsuggest this he already did. And
what I mean by that is manhas four things that no other living creature
has. We have reason, freewill, a cons and a capacity for
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faith. And if one believes inGod, then we have to say God
gave us all four of those.Yes, And if God gave us all
four of those, perhaps God alreadyshowed up and it is up to us
not to wait for Him to dosomething. It is up to us to
use the gifts that were already givento us by Him and use them ourselves
and do something something to contemplate.I guess no, well said. I
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think it's spot on, Brent.You know what you're saying here, because
you know, if it's going tohappen, it's got to be up to
you and me, the man inthe mirror. And as you say,
it starts at home. I mean, look at the level of fatherlessness that
exists in our country today, andyou know what kind of effect that's had.
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You know, parents now are startingto rise up and you know,
be proactive and parent teachers Organizations ptasyou know, around the country realizing after
COVID, you know, how ourkids were being in doctrinatetive things that they
were being exposed to, these genderoption bathrooms that have put young girls into
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serious, vulnerable and dangerous consequences.You know, you know, I mean,
this has really gotten out of hands. So families have got to That's
that's the strength of any kind ofsociety and culture is we've got to,
you know, build up the familyso it starts at home. And when
it starts at home like that,you have an organic response naturally, because
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you will be all the wiser andunderstanding that you need to have, you
know, representatives in your local governmentbecause that's where things happen a lot faster,
right as opposed to the federal level, things do happen faster at a
local level. Local levels matter foranybody in your audience that is of the
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opinion that the twenty twenty election waseither stolen at a maximum or interfered with
at a minimum. I would suggestthat all of that interference couldn't have taken
place were it not for the presenceof people who wanted to interfere with that
election at the local level, precinctby precinct, and so getting involved in
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local politics is a really good idea. Local public service. One of the
curses, and it's a true curseof twenty four hour national cable news,
is that it makes us bored withsmall ball. You know, we get
to turn on our TV twenty fourhours a day and we get to watch
some national figure, whether it's onFox or MSNBC or whatever you preferences,
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and they're all talking about all thebig national issues and then you say,
well, what about my local zoningcommittee. Yeah, well that's sound very
glamorous. They don't talk about thaton Fox News. And so there's there's
a seduction that comes with being givenconstant access to seeing the higher level,
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and we lose track of the importanceof serving at the lower level. But
that is from which all things come. So fight the burden and get involved.
Yeah. Maybe, like the wayyou're pointing this out is what we're
seeing is at the federal level,even though, like you say, sometimes
you know, we got to becareful not to become anesthetized by what's happening
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on the federal level. But youneed to understand if it's happening on the
federal level, it starts at thelocal level. So you got to just
pull it back and say Okay,if it might be boring and irrelevant for
me to see what's happening on afederal level, but you need to ask
yourself the next question is how didit get there? How did it get
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to the federal level if not bythe local level starting it out first?
Don't you think that's that's very true? And let me let me just build
on that to share the what Ibelieve is the hardest point about trying to
reverse what we see going on inthe country. So, as human beings,
we have some things that are sortof natural to us. First of
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all, we we like to knowwhere things start, where did this start?
And we like to know where's itgoing to end? Right? And
then we also we also like tothink that almost all the things that are
really ever matter in human history aregoing to happen in our lifetime. That
it is in our life that thebig moments take place. And it doesn't
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mean we necessarily believe it will,it's that we hope for it. Right
this importance, So why does whydo I bring this up? People will
have to understand that if they getin the fight today and they're over the
age of I don't know seven,the likelihood that they're going to live to
see the kind of America they'd liketo see, one built on notions of
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individual liberty and self governance, selfreliance and so on. The odds that
they're going to live to see ithappen are very remote because it's going to
be a generational struggle exactly. Soif you want to get into this,
you're not going to be able tosee the ending. It's not that easy
to see where it all began becauseit didn't begin in one place. And
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oh, by the way, ifyou want to think it's in your lifetime
that it's all going to change andyou're going to live to see it,
think again, and be committed todo something that's going to have long term
lasting value. Maybe you'll be remembered, maybe you won't be, but you
will be important if you join inthe fight. Yeah, that's a good
point. I mean, we allhave a role to play, you know,
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God willing if America is to comeback, is to be if it
is to be revived. You know. The good news, I guess for
those of us is to understand thatAmerica thrived, you know, in the
early years when it held to itsprinciples. It's when it lost sight,
and you know, and the attackson this democracy. I mean, we
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were an irritant to the world andthe world leaders because you know, here
it is. You know, yougot these crazy colonists to decide. You
know, they don't want a king. They don't want to be like us.
They want the people to be kings. Are you kidding me? These
guys are messed up. I mean, this threatens their own rule and reign,
doesn't it. And so here itis, we come in with this
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idea, is putting our declaration ofindependence, this great American idea, and
we stated even further in our constitution. And look what happens. I mean,
in a matter of one hundred years, America has turned the world on
it head because of the level ofsuccess we've been able to have. But
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as you said, you know,something good cannot happen without an adversary.
And so at the same time asAmerica was growing, you had these antithical
forces who have come in to pollutethis American idea. You know, some
people want to say, oh,well, America started going down in the
mid fifties. I say, well, it's back. Probably the truth be
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known. Probably in the middle eighteenhundreds, you can go back and start
seeing the signs. And then ofcourse when you turn the corner in the
early nineteen hundreds when public education cameinto play and there was a takeover you
know, almost by default by progressives. And here it is, I mean,
this is in the midst of youknow, founding fathers and people still
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not so much the founding bother isstill around. But other originalists who were
there that realized that morality and religionwas so important, and they allowed these
anti religionists to come in and hijackour education with a specific purpose in mind.
Is they continued their slow but progressivemarch through the institutions of our country
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that find us where we are today. Brent right well, and you know,
and so something like, you know, the idea of religion being important
understood, I get that. Andthen the other side of that is,
of course, whose religion. I'dmake an argument, for example, that
the Puritans, while they had awonderful work ethic and you can point to
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the great things they did to helpbuild the country foundationally, in terms of
their in terms of their moral behavior, these people were certainly their leadership and
many of their regular members, theywere the word despicable comes to mind.
I mean their punishment practices, thatthe well known hanging of witches and all
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these other things Puritans were despicable.I wouldn't want to live in a Puritan
America where we were filled with theirreligion, because I think their religion was
sort of corrupt and awful. Thepoint of it all is is that regardless
of your notion or concept of faith, what has to go with it is
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a deep and abiding belief in selfreliance and individual determination and liberty. Because
that way my faith, your faith, however they might be expressed or be
different, can't harm one another.We've gotten away from that. So they
we've gotten away from from faith versusreligion. Religion is what Man created.
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I mean even Jesus hated the religion, you know, religious you know,
So again these are words that areimportant, as you talk about in your
book, right, they are,they are, And so that's you know,
the recognition that you know, aswe face a certain form of totalitarianism
in the country today that's quite secularin nation. We've faced totalitarian situations even
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before this country was formed, thatwas more religious in its orientation. Right,
what's the lesson The lesson is thatthroughout almost all of human history,
the many have been controlled by thefew or the one. And since that's
been the condition of man for mostof human history in most places, right,
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we have to start to ask isthat our natural state? I would
suggest that it is. I thinkso. Yeah. It's not that we're
meant to be free, it's thatwe aspire to be free, and that
means in order to stay free,it's going to take even more work than
our founding fathers might have imagined.Well, and this idea of liberty,
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to me, this is what it'sall about. And this is God given.
You know, even our founding fathersunderstood that. They refer to it
as an inalienable right, you know, not given to man by government or
politics or anybody who was in officeat the time. These This is a
natural consequence and gift from God himself. But apart from God, you don't
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understand that. And that's that's partof the problem, is that man without
God is lost and it it riseslowers. However, waight, whatever direction
you want to say to its fundamentalraw instincts, and that is that you
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know that power makes might, strengthmakes might, and it's it is governed
by those who are have enough powerin order to overcome the weak. And
so the week end up complying andfollow and so you a small group of
people in charge that yes, that'scorrect, and you know, the whole
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notion of you know, we havequotes from our founding fathers about the need
to have a god to hold asociety together. You can even go back
to arguably one of the most famousatheists of all time, Friedrich Nietzsche,
who in the late eighteen hundreds.You know, everybody knows his great line
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where he said God is dead,but they don't know the context in which
he was offering it. He wasoffering that by saying God is dead because
man's killed him, and he waslooking at modern society at that time and
think about the comforts we have today. And basically he said that people were
outgrowing this god notion because of theircomfort and they killed him off. You
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would think that Nietzsche would think thatwas a wonderful thing, because he thought
the idea of God held people.But he was concerned. Because he was
concerned, I guess basically you couldparaphrase by saying he didn't know if men
were ready to have God be deadjust yet, and the point of it
is absent some sort of belief ina power greater than ourselves. You know,
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we're sort of right back to wherewe started this conversation a while ago
about consequence. Exactly. If youremove the idea of consequence from people,
how will they behave? You know, for some people, consequences fear of
a bankruptcy. For some of them, it's fear of imprisonment. For some
of them it might be fear ofeternal damnation. That's a big one.
And when you start to remove thatfear of that consequence from people, then
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you could say, perhaps quite literallyand metaphorically, all health breaks loose exactly.
Brent Hamichak is with his co authorof the book Dissonantly speaking, Change
the Words, Change the War.Brent is also the vice president and the
associate publisher for Human Events Media GroupBRND. We had a couple of minutes
left. I'm gonna turn it overto you. Let you summarize the book,
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how people can get their hands onthe book, and how we can
change our words and change the war. Sure, I appreciate that. First
of all, the book title andsubtitle I can't take any credit for it
comes from my dear friend and colleague, Felyssa Blojak, who designed the cover.
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I joke that it's the first bookthat'll ever sell a million copies and
no one will read it because they'llbuy it for table art. It's so
clever. But you can go toDissidantly Speaking dot com and you can tap
through the books available in all fourformats, including audio. All of the
proceeds of the book go to supportBridge Charities and the Common Ground campus program
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that Felicita designed and that the twoof us support and work at. And
what we're trying to do is workwith young peopleeople to help them learn how
to engage others constructively and how tothink critically and skeptically. We're playing the
long game. We're investing our timeand talent and treasure in working with,
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you know, people that have somethingthat at my age I don't have.
They have a future I have.I have a past, and you know
what time is it. But theseyoung people have a future, and so
we're trying to help shape the waythey approach issues and others for the next
seventy years of their lives. Tellwhen you buy a book, you're I
like to say that you're doing agood work. It might not be a
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good read, but it definitely isa good work. So there, that's
those are my thoughts. Well,I can say it is a good read.
It's it's provocative where it needs tobe provocative. It causes you to
to think critically something that's been missing. And hopefully what this will do for
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those that read your book, Brent, then it will cause them to be
more compassionate and less emotional and lessreactive, to be a better listener.
I think we're better people as welisten better. Don't you look? All
we're trying to do is we're tryingto flip two words in the English language,
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and we're trying to get people tostop saying it is. We're trying
to get them to start asking isit. We're trying to get them to
understand that the two most powerful peoplein the history of Western civilization were Socrates
and Jesus Christ. They had twothings in common. They both died for
their advocacy, that's the tragedy.But they also change the course of history
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by asking questions. And so wewant people to ask questions and engage others
and to make them think and hopefullyin the process make themselves think and thinking.
We think he's a good thing.Yes exactly, Brent Hamitchak, You're
awesome. Thank you so much,UH for blessing us greatly, and congratulations
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on the book. Dissonantly speaking,I have a great day. Be blessed,
my friend. Thank you, Thankyou too, and thank you ladies
and gentlemen for sharing a part ofyour day. Hopefully this has been a
blessing to you. Get a copyof Brent's book. This will cause you
to think differently. It will causeyou to be more mindful of the words
you speak and and where your heartis coming from. On that this will
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you know, I know, thiswill bless you. Thank you again for
being with us. May God blessyou and keep you. May face shine
upon you and give you peace.Thank you for being with us. Take
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Well, good afternoon, and welcometo the show. I'm Bill Martinez.
Great to have you with us.We hear chants from the Pacific to
the Atlantic here in this country ofours, shouting that from the river to
the sea. And this is happeningin universities across the country, sadly.
And these kids you question, youknow, I thought they were there to
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be educated. Instead, it lookslike they were there spending a lot of
money, in many cases their parents'money, as much as one hundred thousand
a year for this education or indoctrination as it seems to be. The
kids are influenced by, you know, the professors and their peers on campus
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shouting I'm Hamas and from the riverto the sea, and somehow ignorantly or
they're just so ideologically fixed away fromthe truth, they don't understand. What
they're shouting is the very thing thatthey're disclaiming, and that is genocide.
That's what that means. Plus ontop of that, what they fail to
acknowledge and understand is right now,it's Israel, but the same people they're
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Hamas and the terrorists Hezbollah, thehoodies, Iran, these rabel rousing Arab
nations that are attacking Israel, thatwant Israel remove from the face of the
earth. Their second target is theUnited States of America, okay, And
these universities seem to be totally obliviousto that real world concept. And so
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the question is where is the leadershipon all points from the Oval Office down
throughout these universities. What is missingis leadership with us right now to talk
about This is the co author ofDistantly Speaking. His name is Brent Hamichek,
and he says, change the words, change the war. He's the
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vice president and associate publisher for HumanEvents Media Group. Brent, welcome the
show. Good to have you withus. It's good to be here.
Thanks so much for having me,Bill, It's a real privilege. Well,
I got to tell you the timingof your book, some people might
think you were, you know,looking into some prophetic revelation of a ball
of some sort that you know,it just seems that it was perfect timing
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in light of what's happening in ourculture today. Well, thank you for
that. One of the things that'sfun is that as I traveled around and
talked about the book and then beenasked questions about current events along the way,
is that I actually stop and realizejust how much ground is covered in
this book. And the reason thatI've covered so much ground and an order
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appears to is because it is abook of ideas, and it's a book
of philosophy. So what happens thenis that philosophy is something that you carry
along with you and then you applyto what's taking place, whatever it might
be. So allow me to applya little bit to what we're seeing here
on the college campuses. First ofall, within the book, I have
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a chapter that's dedicated to the politicaldivision in America. We use the terms
right and left, and I makethe argument I believe quite compellingly that those
two terms mean absolutely nothing in anysort of real sense. They're just insults
we use. But I argue thatthere's two teams in America, Team Right
and Team Left, and they haveplatoons on each team, and one of
the platoons on Team Left is thepro Palestinian platoon. And right now,
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that platoon is the most important platoonon that team, and it has risen
in elevation. It's at the topof the team chart, and it is
in the field, and it isgarnering attention from the rest of Team Left.
That's what you do. You cheerfor your teammates. And so we
see it gaining all sorts of attentionand a bit of power and influence.
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And I say that because even whilewe see police being called into campuses and
finally making some arrests, Let's makeno mistake, the inmates are running the
asylums on these forty eight plus campusesexactly where these things are taking place,
and so this is all quite predictable. There's different elements at work there,
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of course, is the George Soroselement that is funding these activities and importing
everything from food to pro testers toin tief of members. We know from
our reporting at Human Events Media group, the post millennial folks like Andy No
and Jack Pisovic. We know Antifais involved in these right, So there's
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an outside element stoking it. Butin terms of the students themselves, you
know what's taking place here. AndI make an argument in the book and
I'll make it here on your showthat human beings are not fundamentally good creatures.
They're fundamentally quite nefarious. In orderfor any movement to really be successful,
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it needs to have a strong elementof hate within it. What we're
seeing right now on the college campusesis just this simple, and that is
students on these campuses have been givenpermission to organize in groups and hate other
people, break things, swear,throw things, and do harm. This
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isn't something that we should be surprisedabout. This is who and what we
are and we regrips with that.Yeah, then this is why we need
a moral code. Without a moralcode, everything is cast to the wind.
And this is what's happening exactly asyou're saying this, Brent, because
there's no restraint on this. Youknow, the selfishness and incivility is running
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rampid. I mean, what next, they just decide, Okay, I'm
not going to stop at a stopsign anymore. I'm not going to obey
the laws and violate, you know, the trust of their fellow men because
we exist in this society and wecan cohabitate when we can count on the
other person stopping at the stop sign. Isn't it that basic? Well,
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it is that basic. I meanI used to do a lot of business
with very affluent people, some ofwhom would come from in much inherited wealth,
and they were what we would calltrust fund kids. And of course
just doesn't apply to everyone. ButI had somebody explain to me once when
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we were watching the reckless sort ofbusiness behavior of one of those people.
He said, you know, soand so has lived a life without consequence.
And that was a very interesting statementthat stayed with me for years.
And so what happens to human beingswhen they're allowed to live without consequence?
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Why, I'd suggest what happens tothem is what we're seeing at Columbia and
UCLA and elsewhere. There is acalculation at work. It's a rational calculation
on the part of these seemingly irrationallybehaving students, and that is I can
go into the library, barricade thedoors, break a bunch of stuff,
destroy property, and nothing is goingto happen to me. Now, you
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give any human being, almost anyhuman being, that opportunity, and they
will go out and they will lockthemselves in a library and they'll break windows
and destroy property, or they'll goin and smash and grab retail stores in
California up to one thousand dollars,no harm, no foul. So the
culture has conditioned. I mean,we had the Summer of Love after the
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George Floyd riots and look at allthe damage anywhere from two to four billion
dollars of damage, loss of jobs, loss of life, injuries to police
officers and others. Unbelievable. Whathappened that the media, who I believe
is all complicit in this because they'refailing to do their job as journalists and
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report objectively. They're reporting out oftheir biased political bubble. And so they
tell us, as buildings are burningin the background that this is, you
know, a mostly peaceful riot,right, Well they do, they don't.
It depends I actually do something thatsounds like a form of likely,
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you know, self inflicted torture toyour audience members. But I get a
kick out of watching ABC World NewsTonight every evening with David Muir. Why
would I do such a thing.I have a ton of admiration for how
they do what they do, Thelevel of propaganda, the cinematography, the
subtleness with which messages are delivered isreally quite remarkable. That said, I
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watch them every night. That's asmainstream media as you can get. I
watch them struggle with how they're portrayingthis, you know, because they they
don't want to appear to be antiIsraeli. They certainly don't want to appear
to be anti Semitic, and yetthey also want to make sure that they
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support Team Left. The media isnot media is not part of Team Left.
They are a supporter of it.And so you're exactly right. Brand.
See, this is what creates theproblem is that once you're so ideologically
fixed, it really ruins your abilityto be objective. I'm going to remind
everybody we're talking with Brent Hamichek.He's the co author of Distantly Speaking,
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Change the Words, Change the War. He's also the vice president Associate publisher
for Human Events media group. Brentgo ahead and pick it up from there,
right. Well, so the mainstreammedia is struggling with this. I
can tell you that conservative media isstruggling with this. And the reason they're
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struggling with it is because if you'rea conservative commentator and you appear to be
too pro Israel, then what happenswhile on social media, which everyone seems
to worry quite a bit about thisalternative universe in which we live on social
media, you immediately are being calledas someone who supports genocide. By the
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way, the mere use of theword with regard to what's happening with the
Israeli military action and calling it it'sjust preposterous. It doesn't mean that you
have to agree with what Israel's doing. You can even think it's awful,
terrible and everything else. Stop usingthe word genocide. If it were genocide,
every Palestinian in the West Bank Gazawould be dead. They would kill
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them all. That would be genocide. And that's not what's happening. So
let's refrain from hyperbole and silly languageif with regard to that. But but,
but if you're a conservative and youreally want to support Israel, you're
sensitive to having people say, well, then you're in favor of slaughtering Palestinian
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babies. And so everybody's struggling withthis, and I don't think we should
be struggling. In my mind,again, I'm a simple man. I
think we just should simply be lookingat this in a couple of different ways.
But they are different ways. Oneis, as the United States as
a nation state, what matters tous in terms of alliances, in terms
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of what they are and where theyare. I would suggest to you that
having Israel is an ally in theMiddle East is an important useful thing for
us, So we should support ingeneral our ally. We don't have to
agree with them, we don't haveto endorse them. But the last time
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I checked, we fought alongside Stalin. Israel's not Stalin, and so from
an alliance standpoint, Israel should matterto us. As to the rest of
it, let's be clear, theproblem in the Middle East, the problem
in the Middle East is not solvable. It can never be solved. There
is no solution to this. Soall you'll ever be able to do is
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quell it for a while, haveperiods of peace and tranquility. And it's
only been going on for thousands ofyears, right, Brent, that's right,
So we can't solve it. Andif we want to start to talk
about, you know, what aboutthe human cost, what about what to
do in terms of humanitarian things andother things, that is a separate conversation,
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and I think it's a reasonable onefor people to have. But so
long as everybody realizes going in,they can't solve the problem. That's the
one mistake that you can make thatwould be fatal. There is no solution
to this. Yeah, exactly.Well, but meanwhile, you have people
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that do not have a grasp ofhistory, including our US government, that
continues to interfere in the Middle East. I mean, like right now,
I mean you have Biden, thePresident of the United States, calling for
a regime change in Israel when they'rein the middle of a war. Really,
I mean, that's insane. Well, of course it might be to
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distract attention from the fact that manypeople are calling for regime change within his
own administration. It's were it notfor him happening to be president of the
United States, very difficult to takeanything. Joe Biden says, seriously,
clearly, clearly suffering from dementia.That's not a debatable fact that's obvious to
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anyone who's ever had a family memberexperience it. So at this point in
time, he always was a badguy. Now he's a bad guy with
deteriorating mind. Not a great combinationin terms of how we who we listen
to, or how we take themseriously. But the United States overall would
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do well to remember that we needallies. We don't need surrogates per se.
We don't need countries to be exactclones of either what it is we
are or what we perceive ourselves tobe. We're hardly saintly in our own
behavior, but we do need allies. And the suggestion that someone in or
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or you know, anywhere around Israelwould replace Israel as that Middle East ally
is well, I mean, that'sjust sort of an ignorant presumption. So
we do well to protect and preserveby ally, all the while attempting to
bring some sort of halt to regular, good old fashioned human suffering as best
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we can. But preserving our allyis what's in our fundamental interest in what
has to come. Me first,well, Brent, you know, for
me, I look at what's goingon, and it's like we've lost sense
of our mission. You know whois America these days? You know?
Marco Rubio said, and I believein the twenty sixteen election campaign, when
he's running for president, he saidthat we're in a position now where our
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allies no longer trust us and ourenemies no longer fear us. That's because
we've lost I believe we've lost senseof mission. We've disconnected from two very
important documents, those founding documents,a Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.
And when you lose sight of thatand the foundation of your being and as
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you say, the American idea,then who is America? I can say
this without much question or doubt whatsoever. I can say this at the international
community knows Joe Biden. Well,yes they do. They know him for
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better and mostly worse. There's noquestion about that. I make the argument
in the book that the United Statessince World War Two is the most failed
nation of consequence in foreign policy inall of human history. Doesn't mean they're
the most failed. That means they'rethe most failed of consequence. We have
done virtually everything wrong since the endof World War Two, and to the
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extent that we've done anything right,like forcing the collapse of the Soviet Union.
We had help, and we alsohad it's sheer, water logged weight,
caving it in upon itself. Butwe make bad choices. We don't
make choices based upon any sort ofprinciple or philosophy. We you know,
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you take a look at our recentaid package to Ukraine, which is really
an aid package to defense contractors.It's a fraction of it goes to Ukraine
itself. You said, what arewe doing here? Well, I think
I've got this figured out. Idon't think it's complicated. I think the
politicians just spent a lot of moneywith defense contractors so they can make money,
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so that they can donate money backto those same politicians. I think
I've got that right exactly. That'show the wheels on the bus go around
and around. Brent. You know, that's that's right. And and if
that sounds cynical to people, it'snot. It's a function of critical thinking
and observation. I'm not I'm nota cynic in the least, but I
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am realistic. And the people wehave had in Washington for decades now have
had very little concern for the UnitedStates and its primary interests, and even
less so for worrying about the impactof what we do internationally, just so
long is for a while we canmake a little bit of money in terms
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of doing it a little bit.I mean we're talking about lots of money.
We're thirty five trillion dollars in debt, and they keep going to the
treasury, and the Democrats need votes, so you know, they just this
is the machine. As you said, it doesn't take a genius. It
just takes somebody to ask the rightquestions. And as people of faith know,
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you will know them by the fruit. So look at the fruit of
the tree, and you see what'sbeing fed. And it is this industrial
complex that Eisenhower warned us about.But it seems that it's not only just
a military industrial complex. Everything isturned into an industrial complex, whether it's
you know, the Green New Deal, whether it's the educational system that we
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have, the failed educational system,right on down. The entire bureaucracy has
become a you know, kind ofa growing blob of its own, just
chewing up everything in its way.And meanwhile, the American people think that
we're still being controlled by the constitution, right, you know, I think
one of the hardest things for peopleto understand and accept is that the American
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economic model, our system right nowis a very classical fascist system. So
we have a very large centralized governmentthat has managed over time through regulator,
through regulation, and through various actsof legislative favoritism to create very large companies
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in all the key silos. Sowe have large, large, powerful players.
One example is go ahead and googlethe number of banks that existed,
you know, twenty years ago versustoday and then prior to DoD Frank,
Yeah, exactly, and then googlethe concentration of wealth within those banks.
So what does this mean? Wehave a very strong central government that is
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able to partner with very large corporateplayers in all key industries and act in
unison to plan, manage, andoversee political, economic and social activity.
That's a fascist model, that's rightout of Mussolini's Italy exactly. So we
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have a fascist, fascist national modelnow in terms of economic and political activity.
And that's a hard thing for peopleto understand, right They just,
well, of course, we don't. We have a we have a free
market, we have a republic.We have look at how the structure is
formed and how it's hoped exactly.It's kind of crept It's kind of crept
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in on us, hasn't it,Brent? It has, and it's crept
in over what I argue in thebook, I give a one hundred plus
year timeline and a number of keyevents that have taken place, different threads
that have run, that have cometogether at this point what is happening.
Though. We don't live in alinear world, and so it's not as
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though this has been happening by onedegree a year for one hundred years.
It happens in spurts, and atthis moment in time, it's been happening
at an increasing rate, no question, especially seen that since twenty twenty.
Yeah, well, I think youknow, Barack Obama introduced it. He
said, get ready for the fundamentaltransformation of America. And eight years of
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you know, some transformation, alittle break there because we had Donald Trump
in the middle, and then JoeBiden has come back with a vengeance.
He has in one of the thingsthat's interesting though about Donald trum presidency,
and it's neither to applaud it orcondemn it. It is to say this
people, you know, it makessense. I understand why you say we'd
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have sort of a four year break. But I would just simply ask the
question thoughtfully, did we so federalbureaucracy grew, We had the start of
the pandemic under it, and wehad all the Trump administration decisions that were
made along the way inside of thatthat are far more than questionable, and
they were at the moment, notjust in hindsight. We had a Republican
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House and Senate to go along withTrump at the start. They didn't accomplish
anything legislatively except a very bad taxbill and the First Step Act, which
to me was in general a goodpiece of legislation. So did the Trump
presidency really give us any kind ofbreak? And I bring the point up
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for this reason. We're in anelection year. And here's what I fear.
I don't fear the obvious, whichis Trump losing to say Joe Biden
or whoever is on the ticket.But there's a reason why even if you're
a Trump supporter, you should atleast, if not be afraid of him
winning. You should make sure youreyebrows are raised a little bit and you're
paying attention because if he wins anelection, how many people will go like
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this and say, there we didit. Look at that, and then
they'll put all their toys down andthey'll go home and they'll rest. Donald
Trump was just president eight years ago, and look where we are. So
if he's reelected, remember he'll bea lame duck the day he takes office.
He will not have sixty votes inthe Senate, so he won't be
able to do much legislatively. Andthe other side is not going to go
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away, and they're going to comeat him even harder than they did for
those four years that he was inoffice. So I just share that so
people understand we got here over onehundred plus years. A lot of different
people were presidents and senators and representativesand governors during that period of time.
If we're going to come out ofthis thing, it's probably going to take
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one hundred years, and it won'tmake a whole lot of difference who's president
for the first four So be mindful. Yeah, without a doubt, we're
talking with Brett Hamichik. He isthe co author of Dissidently Speaking, Change
the Words, Change the War.Brent, this is why you know,
in talking about Donald Trump in thesefour years, this is why we've been
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saying Number one is critical his choice. A vice president has to be a
vice president that can pick up thebaton and take it. I mean,
you know, you've got Obama andBiden in essence having twelve years. This
is an opportunity for Republicans to havetwelve years for more with Trump and eight
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with his successor. We would expectthat to be his vice president choice that
would carry on the baton. Butbeyond that, we've been insisting that you've
got to send reinforcements with Trump,you have got to, you know,
hit the down line line ballot insuch a way that you're sending quality congressmen
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and senators from your state to reinforcewhat you want accomplished. I mean,
clearly, what we're seeing, asyou said, the resistance is so forceful.
Not to mention the fact that,you know, for the Democratic Party,
power and control is the very airthat they breathe. It's not about,
you know, good policy or goodlegislation. It's only about power and
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control. In my humble opinion,and maybe, uh, I don't I
don't know how to alter those wordsbecause I'm looking at the fruit of their
administrations and how they how they vote, and I see it that they're so
ideologically fixed that it's going to be, like you said, maybe one hundred
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years of experience where that they realizethat, you know, gravity still exists.
Well in your point is well takenout, you know, that sort
of downline sending the right people.But it's not about sending a Republican instead
of a Democrat. It's about sendinga decent Republican and good luck finding one.
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I mean, you know that peopleOftentimes when I'll you know, somebody
is kind enough to have me ontheir show like you are today, They'll
they'll rattle off a list of DemocraticHouse members and senators who they see as
you know, a big part ofthe problem. And you know, and
I'll kind of say, I agree, And how about Mitch McConnell, and
how about Speaker Johnson? And youknow a handful of other Republicans I can
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name. These are these people arejust as complicit and just just as duplicity.
And when why do you think thatis, Brent? Why do you
think that is? Oh? Ithink the answer to that is quite simple.
I think that in general, AngeloCodovia had it right in twenty twelve
when he wrote about the ruling class. I think that the people that go
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to Washington either go there for thepurpose of maximizing power, profit, privilege,
and prestige, or if they don't, soon upon their arrival they learn
about their ability to do so,and then they become corrupted by it.
And I don't think they end upcaring at all about the people that sent
them the promises. They made easierto run by the way on a promise
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than an accomplishment, so they canjust continue to promise. But in the
meantime they benefit themselves extraordinarily on apersonal level, and we are we become
their subjects. Yeah, I thinkit's in some sense, you know,
in terms of I've always believed thatpeople should be given a fair chance to
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be successful. Fair chance to winis what I call it, Brent.
And we're sending people who maybe forfirst day are like you said, well
intentioned. They give you the promiseon the campaign trail and all that good
stuff, and then we send theminto the belly of the beast, and
as soon as they get there,they're immediately shocked with the reality as they
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go through orientation and they tell them, you know, first of all,
I ask them me, what doyou think your number one job is,
and they go, well, youknow, I've got my constituents say this
and that, and this is whyI should focus on They go at wrong.
Your number one job is to getreelected. So you got to think
in terms of everything that you dohere promotes your reelection. So suddenly all
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those promises, all those things youknow for your constituency back home, they
become subordinate to you being re elected. So you know, that's the paradigm,
and that is the disease of theentire Beltway. This is what they
think. Just like you said,you laid it out. It's power,
it's control, it's self aggrandizement,it's taking advantage, it's doing what Nancy
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Pelosi has done over the years andother politicians. I mean, what is
she worth now? One hundred andthirty four million dollars on a less than
two hundred thousand dollars a year salary. You've got Kamala Harris. I know
these are Democrats, but you cansay the same thing with the Republicans.
I'm just familiar more with them.Kamala Harris, I think when she entered
in as vice president was worth somethinglike maybe three or four million. Now
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she's worth over thirteen million dollars inless than three years, you know,
So to your point, this iswhat happens. This is how the beltwegh
just choose these people up and herewe are. We keep voting them in
and we throw them into the machine, and then we wonder why we don't
get what we paid for right well, and it's it is a direct reflection
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of the actual people themselves being elected. You talked about the machine chewing them
up. You can't choose steel,and we don't send steeled people where America's
best and brightest don't want run foroffice. If there's anybody you know that,
perhaps there might be two requirements torun for for Congress. The first
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is that you take an ethics courseand the second one is that you passed
it. Yeah, because because certainlywe don't. We aren't sending people there
with any sort of ethical foundation.We have four hundred and thirty five plus
another one hundred, you know,five hundred and thirty five folks who are
basically pure moral relativists, and theirdaily calculation is to maximize pleasure and avoid
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pain, and that all comes atour expense, comes at minimizing our pleasure
as Americans, and maximizing our pain. And this has been going on for
a very long time. It getsworse with each election cycle. We seem
to just when we think we can'tgo any lower with the people that are
in Washington, we find a way. So we'll see how deep we sink
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this November. Well, unfortunately,it's the ugly side of the human condition
and our levels of creativity. Wewere warned of this and we see it
happening before our eyes. And Brent, I think some people, you know,
they're they're ready to throw their handsup in the air and just say
I surrender, you know, Imean, barring God himself coming back to
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straighten this out. This is sucha mess when you have you know,
politicians that are so willing to kill, you know, kill babies in the
womb to you know, alter thegender of young boys and girls, you
know, to expose them to pornography, you know, levels of pornography that
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you and I you know, couldn'teven get close to when we were kids.
Now our kids can go in thelibrary and have access or even in
classrooms being you know told to youknow, read pornographic books. I mean,
this is just insane where we areand it's untenable. I mean this,
this destroys societies, and here weare. You know, when you
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consider that the average nation historically lastsabout two hundred and fifty years, is
if America is approaching its expiration date, what do you say? Well,
it could very well be. Soa couple of thoughts. Number one,
with regard to people getting ready tothrow up their hands, my thought is
this, don't and don't throw up. By saying don't throw up your hands,
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I don't mean that you have toget involved in political things. One
of the big mistakes that we makeis to think that, you know,
all we can do is sort ofrun for office or vote for the right
person who's running for office. Thereis an extraordinary amount of work that needs
to be done one human being toanother to try to restore the ideas that
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natural law, individual liberty, humanfreedom matter, and to show people that
those things are increasingly being taken away. You don't have to run for officer,
cast to vote to be part ofthat fight. There's all kinds of
things you can do, whether it'sat your dining room table or in the
public square in your town. Giveup for those who are waiting for God,
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to come and help. I wouldsuggest this he already did. And
what I mean by that is manhas four things that no other living creature
has. We have reason, freewill, a cons and a capacity for
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faith. And if one believes inGod, then we have to say God
gave us all four of those.Yes, And if God gave us all
four of those, perhaps God alreadyshowed up and it is up to us
not to wait for Him to dosomething. It is up to us to
use the gifts that were already givento us by Him and use them ourselves
and do something something to contemplate.I guess no, well said. I
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think it's spot on, Brent.You know what you're saying here, because
you know, if it's going tohappen, it's got to be up to
you and me, the man inthe mirror. And as you say,
it starts at home. I mean, look at the level of fatherlessness that
exists in our country today, andyou know what kind of effect that's had.
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You know, parents now are startingto rise up and you know,
be proactive and parent teachers Organizations ptasyou know, around the country realizing after
COVID, you know, how ourkids were being in doctrinatetive things that they
were being exposed to, these genderoption bathrooms that have put young girls into
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serious, vulnerable and dangerous consequences.You know, you know, I mean,
this has really gotten out of hands. So families have got to That's
that's the strength of any kind ofsociety and culture is we've got to,
you know, build up the familyso it starts at home. And when
it starts at home like that,you have an organic response naturally, because
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you will be all the wiser andunderstanding that you need to have, you
know, representatives in your local governmentbecause that's where things happen a lot faster,
right as opposed to the federal level, things do happen faster at a
local level. Local levels matter foranybody in your audience that is of the
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opinion that the twenty twenty election waseither stolen at a maximum or interfered with
at a minimum. I would suggestthat all of that interference couldn't have taken
place were it not for the presenceof people who wanted to interfere with that
election at the local level, precinctby precinct, and so getting involved in
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local politics is a really good idea. Local public service. One of the
curses, and it's a true curseof twenty four hour national cable news,
is that it makes us bored withsmall ball. You know, we get
to turn on our TV twenty fourhours a day and we get to watch
some national figure, whether it's onFox or MSNBC or whatever you preferences,
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and they're all talking about all thebig national issues and then you say,
well, what about my local zoningcommittee. Yeah, well that's sound very
glamorous. They don't talk about thaton Fox News. And so there's there's
a seduction that comes with being givenconstant access to seeing the higher level,
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and we lose track of the importanceof serving at the lower level. But
that is from which all things come. So fight the burden and get involved.
Yeah. Maybe, like the wayyou're pointing this out is what we're
seeing is at the federal level,even though, like you say, sometimes
you know, we got to becareful not to become anesthetized by what's happening
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on the federal level. But youneed to understand if it's happening on the
federal level, it starts at thelocal level. So you got to just
pull it back and say Okay,if it might be boring and irrelevant for
me to see what's happening on afederal level, but you need to ask
yourself the next question is how didit get there? How did it get
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to the federal level if not bythe local level starting it out first?
Don't you think that's that's very true? And let me let me just build
on that to share the what Ibelieve is the hardest point about trying to
reverse what we see going on inthe country. So, as human beings,
we have some things that are sortof natural to us. First of
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all, we we like to knowwhere things start, where did this start?
And we like to know where's itgoing to end? Right? And
then we also we also like tothink that almost all the things that are
really ever matter in human history aregoing to happen in our lifetime. That
it is in our life that thebig moments take place. And it doesn't
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mean we necessarily believe it will,it's that we hope for it. Right
this importance, So why does whydo I bring this up? People will
have to understand that if they getin the fight today and they're over the
age of I don't know seven,the likelihood that they're going to live to
see the kind of America they'd liketo see, one built on notions of
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individual liberty and self governance, selfreliance and so on. The odds that
they're going to live to see ithappen are very remote because it's going to
be a generational struggle exactly. Soif you want to get into this,
you're not going to be able tosee the ending. It's not that easy
to see where it all began becauseit didn't begin in one place. And
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oh, by the way, ifyou want to think it's in your lifetime
that it's all going to change andyou're going to live to see it,
think again, and be committed todo something that's going to have long term
lasting value. Maybe you'll be remembered, maybe you won't be, but you
will be important if you join inthe fight. Yeah, that's a good
point. I mean, we allhave a role to play, you know,
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God willing if America is to comeback, is to be if it
is to be revived. You know. The good news, I guess for
those of us is to understand thatAmerica thrived, you know, in the
early years when it held to itsprinciples. It's when it lost sight,
and you know, and the attackson this democracy. I mean, we
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were an irritant to the world andthe world leaders because you know, here
it is. You know, yougot these crazy colonists to decide. You
know, they don't want a king. They don't want to be like us.
They want the people to be kings. Are you kidding me? These
guys are messed up. I mean, this threatens their own rule and reign,
doesn't it. And so here itis, we come in with this
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idea, is putting our declaration ofindependence, this great American idea, and
we stated even further in our constitution. And look what happens. I mean,
in a matter of one hundred years, America has turned the world on
it head because of the level ofsuccess we've been able to have. But
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as you said, you know,something good cannot happen without an adversary.
And so at the same time asAmerica was growing, you had these antithical
forces who have come in to pollutethis American idea. You know, some
people want to say, oh,well, America started going down in the
mid fifties. I say, well, it's back. Probably the truth be
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known. Probably in the middle eighteenhundreds, you can go back and start
seeing the signs. And then ofcourse when you turn the corner in the
early nineteen hundreds when public education cameinto play and there was a takeover you
know, almost by default by progressives. And here it is, I mean,
this is in the midst of youknow, founding fathers and people still
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not so much the founding bother isstill around. But other originalists who were
there that realized that morality and religionwas so important, and they allowed these
anti religionists to come in and hijackour education with a specific purpose in mind.
Is they continued their slow but progressivemarch through the institutions of our country
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that find us where we are today. Brent right well, and you know,
and so something like, you know, the idea of religion being important
understood, I get that. Andthen the other side of that is,
of course, whose religion. I'dmake an argument, for example, that
the Puritans, while they had awonderful work ethic and you can point to
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the great things they did to helpbuild the country foundationally, in terms of
their in terms of their moral behavior, these people were certainly their leadership and
many of their regular members, theywere the word despicable comes to mind.
I mean their punishment practices, thatthe well known hanging of witches and all
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these other things Puritans were despicable.I wouldn't want to live in a Puritan
America where we were filled with theirreligion, because I think their religion was
sort of corrupt and awful. Thepoint of it all is is that regardless
of your notion or concept of faith, what has to go with it is
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a deep and abiding belief in selfreliance and individual determination and liberty. Because
that way my faith, your faith, however they might be expressed or be
different, can't harm one another.We've gotten away from that. So they
we've gotten away from from faith versusreligion. Religion is what Man created.
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I mean even Jesus hated the religion, you know, religious you know,
So again these are words that areimportant, as you talk about in your
book, right, they are,they are, And so that's you know,
the recognition that you know, aswe face a certain form of totalitarianism
in the country today that's quite secularin nation. We've faced totalitarian situations even
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before this country was formed, thatwas more religious in its orientation. Right,
what's the lesson The lesson is thatthroughout almost all of human history,
the many have been controlled by thefew or the one. And since that's
been the condition of man for mostof human history in most places, right,
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we have to start to ask isthat our natural state? I would
suggest that it is. I thinkso. Yeah. It's not that we're
meant to be free, it's thatwe aspire to be free, and that
means in order to stay free,it's going to take even more work than
our founding fathers might have imagined.Well, and this idea of liberty,
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to me, this is what it'sall about. And this is God given.
You know, even our founding fathersunderstood that. They refer to it
as an inalienable right, you know, not given to man by government or
politics or anybody who was in officeat the time. These This is a
natural consequence and gift from God himself. But apart from God, you don't
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understand that. And that's that's partof the problem, is that man without
God is lost and it it riseslowers. However, waight, whatever direction
you want to say to its fundamentalraw instincts, and that is that you
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know that power makes might, strengthmakes might, and it's it is governed
by those who are have enough powerin order to overcome the weak. And
so the week end up complying andfollow and so you a small group of
people in charge that yes, that'scorrect, and you know, the whole
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notion of you know, we havequotes from our founding fathers about the need
to have a god to hold asociety together. You can even go back
to arguably one of the most famousatheists of all time, Friedrich Nietzsche,
who in the late eighteen hundreds.You know, everybody knows his great line
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where he said God is dead,but they don't know the context in which
he was offering it. He wasoffering that by saying God is dead because
man's killed him, and he waslooking at modern society at that time and
think about the comforts we have today. And basically he said that people were
outgrowing this god notion because of theircomfort and they killed him off. You
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would think that Nietzsche would think thatwas a wonderful thing, because he thought
the idea of God held people.But he was concerned. Because he was
concerned, I guess basically you couldparaphrase by saying he didn't know if men
were ready to have God be deadjust yet, and the point of it
is absent some sort of belief ina power greater than ourselves. You know,
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we're sort of right back to wherewe started this conversation a while ago
about consequence. Exactly. If youremove the idea of consequence from people,
how will they behave? You know, for some people, consequences fear of
a bankruptcy. For some of them, it's fear of imprisonment. For some
of them it might be fear ofeternal damnation. That's a big one.
And when you start to remove thatfear of that consequence from people, then
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you could say, perhaps quite literallyand metaphorically, all health breaks loose exactly.
Brent Hamichak is with his co authorof the book Dissonantly speaking, Change
the Words, Change the War.Brent is also the vice president and the
associate publisher for Human Events Media GroupBRND. We had a couple of minutes
left. I'm gonna turn it overto you. Let you summarize the book,
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how people can get their hands onthe book, and how we can
change our words and change the war. Sure, I appreciate that. First
of all, the book title andsubtitle I can't take any credit for it
comes from my dear friend and colleague, Felyssa Blojak, who designed the cover.
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I joke that it's the first bookthat'll ever sell a million copies and
no one will read it because they'llbuy it for table art. It's so
clever. But you can go toDissidantly Speaking dot com and you can tap
through the books available in all fourformats, including audio. All of the
proceeds of the book go to supportBridge Charities and the Common Ground campus program
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that Felicita designed and that the twoof us support and work at. And
what we're trying to do is workwith young peopleeople to help them learn how
to engage others constructively and how tothink critically and skeptically. We're playing the
long game. We're investing our timeand talent and treasure in working with,
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you know, people that have somethingthat at my age I don't have.
They have a future I have.I have a past, and you know
what time is it. But theseyoung people have a future, and so
we're trying to help shape the waythey approach issues and others for the next
seventy years of their lives. Tellwhen you buy a book, you're I
like to say that you're doing agood work. It might not be a
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good read, but it definitely isa good work. So there, that's
those are my thoughts. Well,I can say it is a good read.
It's it's provocative where it needs tobe provocative. It causes you to
to think critically something that's been missing. And hopefully what this will do for
(48:58):
those that read your book, Brent, then it will cause them to be
more compassionate and less emotional and lessreactive, to be a better listener.
I think we're better people as welisten better. Don't you look? All
we're trying to do is we're tryingto flip two words in the English language,
(49:20):
and we're trying to get people tostop saying it is. We're trying
to get them to start asking isit. We're trying to get them to
understand that the two most powerful peoplein the history of Western civilization were Socrates
and Jesus Christ. They had twothings in common. They both died for
their advocacy, that's the tragedy.But they also change the course of history
(49:44):
by asking questions. And so wewant people to ask questions and engage others
and to make them think and hopefullyin the process make themselves think and thinking.
We think he's a good thing.Yes exactly, Brent Hamitchak, You're
awesome. Thank you so much,UH for blessing us greatly, and congratulations
(50:05):
on the book. Dissonantly speaking,I have a great day. Be blessed,
my friend. Thank you, Thankyou too, and thank you ladies
and gentlemen for sharing a part ofyour day. Hopefully this has been a
blessing to you. Get a copyof Brent's book. This will cause you
to think differently. It will causeyou to be more mindful of the words
you speak and and where your heartis coming from. On that this will
(50:30):
you know, I know, thiswill bless you. Thank you again for
being with us. May God blessyou and keep you. May face shine
upon you and give you peace.Thank you for being with us. Take
care, God bless
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