May 12, 2025 • 53 mins
The explosive documentary from Producer, Dr. Robert Marbut, Fentanyl: Death Incorporated, is taking America by storm! This is a film which delves into the multifaceted aspects of the dangerous drug, featuring insights from leading experts in international and domestic supply chains, law enforcement, medicine, harm reduction, and more. This most comprehensive documentary ever produced on the Fentanyl crisis, Fentanyl: Death Incorporated uncovers the truth behind Fentanyl
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Radio well and welcome Bill Martinez here.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Good to have you with us. We're going to talk
about this very pernicious drug that is out in the
marketplace that is killing a generation of young people in
our country. I've seen it as an act of war.
You may have heard me talk about it with other guests,
but like never before, especially when you look at the
numbers and what's been going on in the last decade,
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how many we've lost. I've heard numbers anywhere between eighty
one hundred thousand a year. I mean, think about it,
that's more than we've lost in Vietnam in what seven
eight years of Vietnam, ten years of Vietnam. Sixty sixty
three sixty six thousand Americans died in Vietnam. And here
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we've got young people that are dying, you know, from
overdose a fentanyl. Ventanyl has been introduced into other drugs,
and these kids think they're taking you know, maybe a
tail and all or something. And I'm talking about kids
that are in college, maybe working late night on a
term paper or studying for exams, and they need something
(01:45):
to keep them up. And the friends says, hey, look
at I've got this. This will you know, this will
help you out, And little do they know that it's
laced with fentanyl. It's even to the point where now
we understand that that marijuana, you know that the kids
smoke quite liberally these days, that that is even being
(02:07):
laced with ventanyl. This is how pervasive that it is.
Of course, it's very well accepted that it originates out
of China and from China goes to Mexico. Mexico formulates
the ventanyl in pills, and in some cases the pills are
looked made to look like almost like candy. Anything that
(02:30):
they can do to inspan tize people and make it
seem like it's you know, not so dangerous. But the
kind of collection that the FDA and in our law
enforcement officials are picking up, they're they're in such large
numbers that they could eradicate our entire country, if not
(02:54):
even cities at one Fell Swoop. I mean, it's just
it's just unbelievable. But there's been this kind of casual,
laissez faire attitude about fentanyl. And we're going to have
a doctor Robert Marbert going to be joining us in
just a moment and looking forward having him on the show.
(03:16):
He is the producer of filmmaker of the documentary Fentanyl
Death Incorporated. It's the most comprehensive documentary ever produced on
the fentanyl crisis. Death Incorporated will provide an in depth
exploration of the most dangerous drug created of all time.
Think about it as I was missing to you. I mean,
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this originates out of China and then goes to Mexico,
they formulate the drug, and then it's sold here and
of course, completing the kind of the trinity of this
whole process are the consumers here in America. In some
cases you can say long term drug addicts, but in
(04:01):
many cases we've got innocent children in a sense, that
have died accidentally, and you've heard these stories, and it's
amazing to me why there isn't a greater outrage happening,
you know, around the country over this. You know, parents
are coming out in mass numbers and you know, up
(04:23):
in arms about this, but still it's under reported. It's
almost like our media is complicit in this massive extinction
of young people. And think about it. I mean, this
is in many cases the people that are dying here
are our young people. It's our future of our country,
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eighteen to thirty five year olds, and like I said,
in many cases unsuspectingly taking the drug and then dying,
and it's just excruciatingly painful as you can possibly imagine.
I want to play right now a trailer, you know,
from this documentary as we await our guest doctor Robert Marbot,
(05:08):
who is going to be joining us hopefully any minute now.
So let's go ahead and run this trailer.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
This is fentanyl. This is your brain on fentanyl. This
is your friend's brain that was doing fentanyl with you.
This is the guy down the street also doing fentanyl.
These are kids who thought they were taking a purpose
that they got from a friend who got it off
the Internet, but the pill was laced with fentanyl and
now they're unconscious and unresponsible. This is the Mexican cartels.
(05:35):
This is the Mexican cartels working with Chinese chemical companies
to make pills by the millions, destabilizing the border to
traffick enough vindol to kill the entire population.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Of a country many times over.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
This is the ports of British Columbia, where chemicals to
make finnel or smuggled in by the tonnage and Canadian
super labs are producing fiddel to export the countries around
the world.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
These are gangs and drug dealers.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Near you, haphazardly mixing fennol powder with other chemical like xylazine,
which is a horse traquilizer, causing the user's skin to
fall off.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Hey, at least the eye last longer. Any questions.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
I have a question, what is the super lapp?
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I want to know why are we seeing these record
overdose deaths just in America?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Why is this happening here?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Our local hospital rooms are blowing up. Why because they're
killing our children?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
How do we change that offense? Bron Day, How much
of this deli poison it's coming across the border. How
come all these people are all passed out?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Where is all of this stop coming from?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Is China purposely addicting our nation? Health com parents protect
their children from fed hill That's a tough question.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
If that doesn't capture your heart and brings your brain,
I don't know what. And it's just a trailer, okay.
And doctor Marbe is encountering some technical difficulties right now
in joining us, but hopefully he will be on here
in just a moment so that Tea can give you
more of the background of what in what went into
(07:03):
producing this and the motivation And you can only imagine
the motivation was without doubt, I would think the sympathy
that he had to have had with you know with
uh uh, you know, with the parents and the victims
of of death incorporated of of ventanyl and you know
the people that that are responsible. Uh and uh, you know,
(07:28):
this is the thing that it's just unbelievable. You know,
what's what is what is taking place here with you know,
with the situation with Ventanyl. Trying to get a message
to doctor Marbat right now so that we can get him,
you know, another invitation. Somehow he's having some difficulty in
(07:51):
connecting with us. So I'm going to uh send a
message to the studio, to our producer to this is
what you're seeing me do here right now, Ladies and gentlemen.
This is as you know, this is live. So but
you can put up with us here for just a
moment as we try to get him connected. Was so
(08:16):
you can get connected with the with the show here
so that you can hear him, you know, firsthand for yourself,
because he has so much insight into this and when
I had spoken with him before this. You know, this movie,
this documentary Fentanyl Death Incorporated. For those people in the
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country who have seen this movie, it's really as you
can see from the trailer, it's quite captivating and it's powerful.
And this film, as I mentioned, delves into the multifaceted
aspects of this dangerous rod, featuring insights from leading experts
in the international and domestic supply chains, law enforcement, medicine, harm,
(09:02):
harm reduction, and more. It is by far the most
comprehensive documentary on this topic on the fentanyl crisis I
think that's out there. It's certainly the most comprehensive I've
ever experienced. And as I said, this is going to
give you an in depth exploration of this most dangerous
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drug that is created of all time. And it's amazing,
you know that here we are then, we're coming off
of everything we just came off of with COVID and
you know, understanding more about gain of function and all
these dangerous chemicals that are out there. But meanwhile, I
guess the thing that astounds me is that fentanyl has
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been around, you know, so long, has been out there,
and it keeps killing, like I said, eighty to one
hundred thousand young people every year. And you know, I
looked at it when I when I spoke with doctor
mar but before I looked at it as a as
kind of an act of war against our country. And
(10:10):
I know that that sounds pretty uh, pretty wild when
you think about you know, you think about an act
of war with a you know, another nuclear power like China.
But we we keep kind of playing patty cake with them.
You know, we're worried about, you know, some of the
trade deficiencies that are going on. We got bigger, bigger
(10:31):
fish to fry here. I mean, when they are involved,
I mean single handedly, I mean we already know and
I know this is disturbing but I think it's pretty
well uh accepted that China was the starting link in COVID,
that all the information has come out as indicated that
(10:54):
it wasn't as innocent as uh as they would want
us to believe, whether it was the who so social
media platforms and others thinking that COVID was just you know,
something that just happened out of the atmosphere somehow, and
it was, you know, something that came from a bird
or whatever. But I think it's very well accepted now
(11:15):
according to the latest reports, that this came out of
a laboratory in Wuhan, not the wet markets of China,
and so that's been covered up. And here in America alone,
we lost over a million people, if you want to
believe the numbers and associate them all with COVID. The
death of people who died of COVID over a million people.
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And I don't know, it's just amazing to me that
our country just kind of just shrugged our shoulders about
it and just took it all in stride like it
didn't matter. But wait a minute. You know, our parents, grandparents,
relatives died and as you heard me report before, they
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died alone in the hospital and without family, anybody there
to say goodbye, and all that happened there out of
China and the way I believe that this country was attacked,
you can say, you know, we don't know for sure
if it was intentional. Most people, I guessed, in order
(12:19):
to avoid the obvious, you know, are quick to say, well,
it was maybe some sort of lab mistake or you know,
some unfortunate occurrence, But regardless of what it was, it happened,
and people should be held irresponsible. You know, China should
be held responsible, but they're not being held responsible, and
they're not being held responsible for what they're doing with ventanol.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I believe the Trump administration this time around is putting
some pressure and I think that's one of the bargaining
points of this whole situation with the trade deal that
they're trying to work out, and they've gotten some cooperation
out of Mexico where they're trying to take some responsibility
and close down some of these factories that are manufacturing
(13:02):
you know, these these pills. But this is just incredibly,
incredibly disturbing and the reality of what's going on, and uh,
doctor Robert Marbert and his team, as I mentioned, to you.
He is the producer, he's a filmmaker, and they have
produced this powerful documentary, Fentanyl Death Incorporated. And I believe
(13:26):
that doctor Marbert is connected with us. Now, thank you
for your patience. And it looks like it's only going
to be on on audio only, but even an audio only,
it is a privilege to have doctor Marbaret with us. Now,
Doctor Marvith, welcome the show. Good to have you with us,
(13:46):
Doctor Marbith. Can you hear me now? Doctor Commercial says
he is okay, all right, I know we're just kidding this.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
I'm trying it or if this is my fourth try,
are you hearing me?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I can hear you there, I can hear you. Okay.
I guess we're gonna have to do it without a camera.
So that's fine. I will make the most of this situation.
I've been, you know, leading up and explaining to our
audience the documentary. We played the trailer for the documentary,
and so we'd counted a privilege and honor to have
(14:21):
you explain to our audience. So why the documentary? Why
were you motivated to do this?
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Well, about four years ago, when I was still working
at the White House, I was up on the hill
talking to a senator who I consider a real friend
and don't want to mention his name to embarrass him,
a good, good friend. He was on the type of
committees you would expect that would understood the Finnel crisis.
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And what I realized was the senator said, well, after all,
fitnel is just met just stronger, and that couldn't be
more wrong and incorrect. Fentanyl actually puts your chest cavity
to sleep, It paralyzes your heart, it paralyzes your lungs,
whereas meth is an extreme upper it's like somebody on speed.
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And so my concern was when a senator who I
had done many briefing papers for who's a friend, doesn't
understand what this is about and how we got here,
and they should. That was what the impetus for me
to get a documentary going. And then as we got
it going, we just came across more and more information
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about how bad it was, how we got here, and
how lethal.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
The situation was.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
When was this and that would have been about three
and a half years ago, because I carried into the
Biden administration a little bit and when I immediate left,
I said, we got to get a documentary because all
the white papers I'm writing aren't working and we need
to do something more visual, more understandable, I guessed. And
(16:07):
along the way it became a much bigger project than
we thought.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, but denol had been around a lot longer than
just three years ago, I think. I mean, are we
going on close to ten years? If not over ten years,
doctor Margaret? Or on misunderstanding something?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
No, that's exactly my point.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Wait, fentanyl came on the scene right when the Purdue
Pharma was coming down, you know, after all the lawsuits
and Purdue Pharma was no longer able to distribute their
version of oxycodine, and hospitals stopped prescribing it, doctors stopped,
the pharmacy stopped carrying it, and so you had all these,
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you know, millions of prescriptions and hundreds of thousand people addicted.
And that's where China and the Mexican cartels backfilled it
and they saw business opportunity. And so this has been
around a long time. And at that point I really
thought a friendly senator, especially who we're reading briefing papers,
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would know all about it.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
And they did it. And if they don't know what,
you know that was my point.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
If a senator on the right committee doesn't know, we
got major problems going here.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, especially because at this point oxy codin had been
off the market, bendall in the market probably at that
point somewhere eight to ten years already exactly. And so
eight to ten years, and you've got data pointing to
all this danger in young people dying, and he thinks
(17:44):
it's just a minor drug out there that's maybe not
as consequential as it should be.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
And I think a lot of people really thought this
is just you know, we had gone through PCP, we
had gone through cracking cocaine, we go through black tar,
angel das, we were just finishing up on math, and
I think a lot of people thought just this is
our next one. But nobody understood how lethal fentanyl was
(18:13):
compared to any of those other dry I mean, it's
a hundred times more powerful than morphine. Yet you know,
in some super versions or s fentanyl or soup fentanyl,
some of those are actually even.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
More powerful than that.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
And in literally two to three grains of assault equivalent
of fentanyl will kill you or I and one rice
grain will kill fifteen people. And I don't think anybody
understood how lethal fentanyl was, and I think that was
sort of you know, there were many mistakes made along
the way, and the priory administration that I was very
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frustrated with is they were sort of slow to react
to all crises. But they could not see to talk
about fentanyl because that it meant you had to talk
about borders, and that was an inconvenient truth to be
able to How do you say, we're worried about the
fentanyl supply, but we're not really worried about our borders.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, and that's what I was explained to the audience
is that the chain which began in China, they're producing,
you know, the raw ingredients, they're shipping it to Mexico.
Mexico is formulating it, and then it's coming into a
ready made market. As you say, they were backfilling the owners.
I mean, they had a market that was ripe and
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addicted to oxycodin and they needed to have an answer
to their pain.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
And it was interesting, you know, when you break it down.
I don't like to dwell too much about how we
got here, but you do need to know a little
bit so you understand how to get out, you know.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
But we got to think about solutions.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
But in the beginning, the Ellissa fentanally legal fentanyl, which
by the way, is not very pure, not very scientifically made.
It's made in jungles and back alleys and basements. We're
backfilling the white collar addicted folks who many had had
shoulder surgery, knee joint replacement. That was where it came from.
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And it was over prescribed and misprescribed, and so that
was a group that people politically didn't really want to
talk about. And then it was also simultaneously hitting the
homelessness street, especially on the west coast and the northeast.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
And that's a group that a lot of people just overlooked.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
They say, Oh, they're just druggies, we don't need to
worry about them. And that's where it eventually started. But
by about twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, it was
east to west, north, the south, big city, small city, rural, urban.
It's everywhere now, and we need to understand it because
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the numbers really aren't going down.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
No, yeah, exactly, So what are we talking? Over a
million people have died of fitting all over Dosa since
since came into the country.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, we're pretty close to it.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
We may not be right at that, but if not,
we'll be at it this year. And remember there's finnel
kills you in a lot of different ways, and so
not everybody measures all four. But there's the recreational drug use,
which is what the media does talk about, unfortunately because
it's way more than that.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
But and it's the number one killer of.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Eighteen to forty five year olds in America, full stop
over everything else.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
But what a lot of people are not aware.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
It's the fastest growing killer for children zero to four.
And they're obviously not drug addicts. They're just getting poisoned
by finnyl dust being out in public or a park
bench or the street. And our documentary talks a lot
about it. But now you got two other types of
fentanyl overdoses starting to happen. Like in Philadelphia was the
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epicenter of trink, which was a purposely laced fentanyl with
horse tranquilizer. They were trying to reduce the death rate,
is what they were trying to do, but still keep
the power of the high. And so that's lacing and
so often that that's reported under trink horse tranquilizer death
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not fentanyl.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
And then there's the people where.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
They don't know that the fentanyl is in the supply,
like weed, co crack math. You're starting to see fentanyl
really poison the other illicit drug supplies that and I
by no means I'm saying you should be taking those
other type of drugs because they're they're fatal too in
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a high dosage. But when you start adding fentanyl to it,
it really is Russian Roulette. And Dea is estimating about
two thirds of all other illisted drugs have some level
of fentanyl in it.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Now, that's amazing. How insane is this that the suppliers
are killing author customers. This doesn't make sense.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Well, they they're trying not to do that. They're trying
to do their best to lower it. They're trying to
do it to mix it, you know, hence the lacing.
But the reality is fentanyl is something so powerful that
was built in the lab, designed in the lab, and
nobody understood how powerful it was in the beginning. And
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I mean the people who were creating it, they they
don't want.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
People to die. They want them to live so they
can buy more and more and more.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Right, But the high of fentanyl is such a powerful,
strong magnet that draws people to it. So they're trying
to balance the high, the potency of.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
The high, without making you die.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
And that's why they're really working hard now to lay
sit and dilute it now.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
But sadly, you still die.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
I have yet, you know, I work on the street,
as you and I've talked before. All the time, I've
been working on the street for twenty five years, and
I've never seen a drug where I have not met
anybody who's been on it more than eighteen months. Most
of the people I know have only been on it
eight nine months, And most doctors say the sort of
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half life of a user of ventanyl is somewhere around
twelve to fourteen months.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
You just die that fast.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
So sometimes it's in pure overdose you took the wrong amount,
and sometimes it's just the slow breakdown of all your systems.
It paralyzes your lung, it paralyzes your heart, starts to
affect your kidneys and liver, and then it starts affecting
other body systems that you slowly crash and thing finally, creator.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Does it work a little bit like heroine to where
you your body builds up a certain resistance to where
you've got to, you know, add more fentanyl to to
your dose.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Absolutely, you know all the opioids.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
Have that problem that if you start very carefully and
I to me, let me make it real clear, I
don't think he can make fentanyl safe, and I don't
think he can make the fentanyl supply chain safe.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
So but from a user point of view, they say,
all right, I'm going to.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Start real, real light, dilute it down to a really
low level, and then start And what they find is
two things happen.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
You build up that resistance as you talk about that,
almost all opioids and many other drugs do the same thing.
But it also brings you back to get more addicted
and you crave the high more. But you start using more,
and you're using more often, and so you get this
double whammy. And that's why you just I challenged somebody
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to tell me I was a regular FITNAL user eighteen
months ago, and they're alive. You just can't find somebody
like that now. It's just so deadly.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well, yeah, and you talk about the life expectancy of
a user being somewhere between fourteen and eighteen months. I
mean I had never heard that before.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
I mean, this is and that's on the high end
because you get you know, a lot of people are familiar.
You know, one pill the dead or one pill kills
you know, there's several programs around the country you talk
about that there's a lot of people die on first
use of Fitanyel.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
You hear that all the time.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
And so when I'm talking about fourteen months, sixteen months,
twelve months, that doesn't even count the group of people
that die instantly on first use.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
That's just the outer edge of.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
People who are really scientifically within their view of science,
trying to dilute it down. But the reality is this
is so powerful you need white glove, you know, vacuum
laboratories to measure this out to get to low levels.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
And you can't do that on the street.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
You can't do that in the jungle or in the
basement in a back alley.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
You can't.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
We're trying to take the most powerful drug ever invented,
and we're trying to treat this like weed on the street,
and like.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
As if you have some sort of exact formula, if
it's done out of some you know, garage or backstreet
operation type of deal. You have no idea how much
of the ventanyl is actually in that pill, do you
at all?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
It's a crapshoot.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
And you know, we have a part of the movie
we have a dea Task Force agent who is a
deputy sheriff in San Diego, and he goes the amount
of instruments that you medically need to manage this to
get the fight dosing to live and not overdose.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
It's so minute.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
There's no measurable scales on the street or formulas to
do this.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
And to think about, let's flip it.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
And talk about that professional pharmaceutical grade fentyl that's used
for surgeries, in particular heart surgery. With that fentanyl, you
probably couldn't have open heart surgery. It's a perfect medical
drug medication for that because it slowers your heart rate
and it reduces your breathing. So that's really an important
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drug to be used. But when you're in that circumstance,
you were in a medical operating room and you got
at least one medical MD anesthesiologist. You normally have a
tech you're hooked up on a device that's monitoring seven
(28:57):
or eight vital signs. You have the overall operating doctor
managing you, and you have a nurse, so you at
least have two full time people to part time people.
In a more advanced surgery, it's sometimes more than that,
monitoring how you're doing fentanyl, and that's not how people
take it on the street at all, you know, And
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so even in that case, they're minutely managing it and
they're watching your oxygen, your blood, take your.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Pulse, your blood.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Pressure, several other things, and nobody's doing.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
That on a street.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
And especially if you're taking fentanyl all alone at your house, nobody's.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Going to know exactly well.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It brings the question of are there accidental desks in
the operating room because of vmyl I?
Speaker 8 (29:48):
You know, there's always desks around antiseesiologist, you know, you know,
they always talk about it when you use, you know,
any sort of thing that puts you to sleep and
do that.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
But it's nothing like it was.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Medical fitler was invented.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
In nineteen fifty nine by a guy named doctor Jensen,
a long long time ago. In the beginning, there were
a lot more you know, on the table desks, if
you will, and they've gotten real good on how to
monitor it. And so they know how to properly use it.
So if you're being told you're going to have fitnyl
(30:26):
for heart surgery, that will probably make heart surgery possible
because a lot of people would just die of shock
on the table before Fittler was used for open heart surgeries.
And so so bentanyl really when properly used, and I
mean medical fentanyl, but there's nothing remotely like medical fentanyl
(30:47):
on the street.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
It's illicit bentanyl on the street.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
It's not medical fitanyl at all, and you're not getting
the medical care when you're taking it.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, on top of that's a monitor. I'll tell you,
doctor Marbut now that we have you here, I'm going
to play for the audience because some may have joined
us late. I want to play the trailer to the documentary,
but I want you to introduce it to our audience
now that we have you here, So go ahead if
you would please.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Awesome, it's uh, we got a real fun and I
mean fun. It's entertaining, not not the topic is fun,
but it's entertaining.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It's engaging.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
And it's a bit of a spoof on the Just
Say No to Drugs that that was about thirty five
forty years ago when drugs were really benign compared to
where they are now.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
And so it's a take off on that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, that was the one that said this is your brain,
and this is your brain on drugs, and that demonstration,
and so let's go ahead and let's play that trailer again,
if you would just give me one second, okay, standing by,
this is your brain on fedloh, this is your friends
brain that was.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Doing fentanyl with you. This is the guy down the
street also doing fentanyl. These are kids. He thought they
weren't taking a purpose that they got from a friend
who got it up the internet. But the pill was
lace with fentanyl. Now they're unconscious and unresponsive. This is
the Mexican cartels. This is the Mexican cartels working with
Chinese chemical companies to make pills by the millions, destabilizing
the border, to traffic in that fendyl to kill the
(32:22):
entire population of a country many times over. This is
the ports of British Columbia, where chemicals to make finnel
or smuggled in by the tonnage and Canadian super labs
are producing fiddel to.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Export the countries around the world.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
These are gangs and drug dealers near you, haphazardly mixing
fennyl powdered with other chemical xylazine, which is a horse tranquilizer,
causing the user's skin to fall off.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
But hey, at least the eye lasts longer. Any questions,
I have.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
A question, what is the superlapp?
Speaker 7 (32:52):
I want to know why are we seeing these record
overdose deaths just in America?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Why is it happening here?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Our local hospital rooms are blowing up.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
Why?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Because they're killing our children?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
And how do we change that?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Off of defense broad Day, how much of this deli
poison is coming across the border.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
How come all these people are all passed out?
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Where is all of this stuff coming from them?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Is China purposely addicting our nation health?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Can parents protect their children from federill?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
That's a tough question, That.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Is tough question. And the reality is is that our
young people, as doctor Marbot had pointed out, eighteen to
forty five year olds, this is the strength of this
next generation, the future leaders, the future of our country,
A generation of young people that are being annihilated through fennol.
(33:46):
You know, doctor Marbat, as you were saying, you know,
the takeoff of the commercial, well done of the trailer.
I shouldn't say not the commercial is that of what happened?
What we're doing, you know, saying no on drugs? And
if I remember back at that time, there were a
lot of public service announcements about drugs. But you're not
(34:08):
seeing a lot of public service announcements for Ventnyl. What
have we lost? In translation?
Speaker 8 (34:13):
Here in we do a little dive microdive just about
San Francisco in our documentary and we want One of
our things we do is there's if you're in San
Francisco and you do cigarette smoking in a public building
or right outside of public building, you can I think
(34:34):
the first tickets like two hundred and eighty five dollars.
And I was out there as part of the filming
and doing some research and owner it was either a
store own or a patron it called police to report
the guys smoking outside the building, and the police respond
if we're two blocks away from an open consumption site
(34:59):
for Finnyl. And so here you are in San Francisco,
and we did some digging around and you can get
up to it. If you're a repeat offender, your final
ticket can be eight thousand dollars for smoking illegally in
public a cigarette, but in fentanyl. The City of San Francisco,
in the County Health Department at that time, was actually
(35:21):
paying for a site for you to go use fentanyl.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
They call it a safe consumption site.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
And as I've said before, you can't make fentanyl safe.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You can't make the drug supply safe with fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
So here they send people to go die basically and
with no culpability.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
With taxpayer subsidy.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
But then we're going to give you a ticket for
smoking a cigarette outside of building. And I'm not promoting
illegal use of cigarette smoking outside of building. I'm not
promoting that. But why is it we treat cigarette smoking
one way in fentanyl, which is really deadly, and the
government is saying we're going to subsidize you to do
(36:01):
fit though it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, I mean, we're already losing eighty to one hundred
thousand people a year. I don't think people who smoke
are hitting those kind of numbers, you know, but this
is Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. But this is unfortunately,
this is a country we live in right now where
everything is inverted. You know, up is down, down is up,
(36:26):
and I don't know what is it going to take.
But again, I'm surprised looking at this situation. Why, you know,
when we look at years years ago, when there was
you know, public service announcements, radio stations across the country
constantly would be running commercials. I mean this program. I
(36:46):
know that Salem Communications has helped you in producing this documentary.
I think they have like about one hundred stations still,
and I think even with the relationships with other broadcasters,
that we should be able to bring everybody together and
put these commercials out, put these public service announcements out
(37:06):
to make people aware, doctor Margaret, because I think that still,
I mean, here you are, you're talking to an elected
official not that long ago, when we already knew or
people that should be aware, especially when you're on a
committee and you're you know, you should know about how
dangerous this is, and they're just so largely ignorant. And
(37:28):
I mean that's kind of you know, it's not even sad,
I mean, it's irresponsible.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Well that's why here's the way I think we need
to think about it in context. Think about this this
this case, I don't even know if it's a data
factoid or just a concept. More people have died Americans
servicemen and women, all seven branches of uniform service, plus
(37:54):
the intelligence agencies in a hundred years of Americans being
at war World War two, Vietnam, Korea, Kosovo, Go War one,
Go War two, Afghanistan, Iraq, Global warrantear, a few other
un things. Add all that up, We're people have died
in fentanyl since I talked to that senator that then
(38:16):
died of fentanyl than all the wars for one hundred
years that United States has been involved in. And we're
not acting like we're at war. And think about China.
And I spent three weeks over in China with filming
on the movie and researching, and I think initially it
was all about the money. They wanted to make some
(38:38):
quick hardback currency greenback, and I think that was it.
But real quickly they realized we can days stabilize our
number one adversary not fire a shot, and Americans actually
send him money. I mean, it's really if you could
have a war footing and and kill your oppositions population
(39:03):
eighteen to forty five in the most successful way over
any other cause of death, What a great way to
destabilize your adversary and not spend any money and actually
make some money.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
It is they have really figured it out and we're
not acting like that. But China.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Now, I will say President Trump gets this issue unlike
any other president you know who before, you know, because
this still was going around during the Obama administration in
the beginning, the very you know, Infancy and everybody I
talked to back then, They're like, Oh, it's just another drug,
it's another thing. And then when Biden's group came in,
(39:45):
it was very slow to react. They tried to react
in the last three or four months going to the election,
but I had Maybe I'm too cynical, but were they
reacting because it's the right thing to do, or are
they're reacting to salvage the campaign that was in a
ditch at that point?
Speaker 6 (40:03):
You know, are they really trying to do the right thing?
Speaker 8 (40:06):
And I just think they were just late to any crisis,
but this crisis in particular.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, I think we give them sometimes. I think we
give politicians too much credit. And that does sound cynical,
but that's based on years of experience and observing what
they do is that they're more interested than getting re
elected than really good policy, and there's very few politicians, sadly,
(40:34):
that are around that are willing to, you know, put
it all on the line and fall on their sword
for the American people. And we keep electing them into
office thinking that they have a mindset like that. But
the fruit of their efforts tells you differently. It tells
you you know, these things that as you say, and
I'm with you on it, it makes us all cynical because
(40:58):
this goes on for, you know, such a long time,
and then you look at you know, Okay, so here,
first of all, you've got an adversary that says, hey,
I want to be where you are. I want to
be the predominant ruling nation on the planet, and we are.
And they've made it clear they want to overtake America
(41:19):
and they've been very systematic about it. They have bought
our politicians. We know that money comes into the country,
and we know through the Confucius Institute they have invaded
our universities. They're controlling education. We know through the supply
(41:40):
chains America, through our trade policies, have allowed them to
get an upper hand to take over and even steal
intellectual property from the people who have engineered it and
created it and did all the R and D and
on and on. At every turn, China has proven itself
(42:00):
to not be an ally. They clearly, as you say,
are an adversary. And so here they get away with ventanyl.
They bring this in, and so does does ventanyl be
get covid, And it demonstrates not only to the communist
Chinese they want to overtake America, but to the world
(42:20):
America is a bunch of knuckleheads. And we're vulnerable to
this because, you know, because of greed or whatever it
is that you want to put it on. But you know,
you look at all the money that China has put
in to you know, to I guess as Miranda Devine
put it to elite capture our elected officials.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
And then take go back ten years. You're exactly right
on all that about China. So take up everything you
just said, and then add to the mix the supply
chain that was already developed by the Mexican cartels into
the country.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
And that's what China didn't have.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
And so they have this very unholy alliance between the
China and everything you just said.
Speaker 6 (43:09):
Add in the Mexican cartels and get it in. And
now in.
Speaker 8 (43:13):
The last couple of years, you're starting to see the
Canadian biker gangs come in and are there now backfilling
because the Southwest border in the last three months has
really started to get closed down. Like I meant, President
Trump is serious about closing the border. And now you
got sort of a move to the Canada. And I
(43:37):
always want to remind people why Canada is so important,
just like the southwest border is right there, the northern border.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
A lot of.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
People don't are not aware that the US Canadian border
is the longest land border between any two countries.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
In the world, exactly.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
And so we got to get it serious on the
northern border, just like we've got and serious on the
southwest border.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
And we got to get serious with China.
Speaker 8 (44:04):
And then you had one thing there that I think
we should always and those are part of the solutions.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
We got to get tough on Canada, Mexico, and China.
Speaker 8 (44:12):
But the other thing is we have to at some
point have an honest question or an honest sort of
dialogue inside the United States.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Why is it we're four four and a quarter.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
You know, four point two five percent of the world population,
We're consuming thirty eight thirty six percent of the fitnel
world supply, and we're sixty six percent of the worldwide
death total reported.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
Now, not all.
Speaker 8 (44:39):
Countries report their death so I understand that sixty six
percents probably closer to forty or fifty. You get the point.
Why are we ten times the death rate of the
rest of the world.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
Why are we.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Consuming so much illiicted drugs compared to You know, when
you go to China, there's not a fentanyl problem in China,
And ironically, when you go to Mexico, you go to
Mexico City, you almost can't find fentanyl or anybody using fentanyl.
So they know how dangerous it is, but they let
us do it well.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
And probably the way they enforce it to doctor Marbat
is that if you are selling it or participating it,
you don't pass go collect two hundred dollars, you go
straight to jail uh and and in some cases there's
a death sentence there.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
In China that they execute dealers. And what I was
told when I was on the ground, if you lap,
if you get caught, especially the high volume or high
quantity or the high potency drugs, if you get caught,
if you're alive in two weeks. That's that's very unusual.
You know, you you you probably have some other benefit
(45:55):
to the Chinese Communist Party. You got something else you're
going to help them with in trade. If not, you're
they execute you. And you know, the trials less than
a day. And I'm not promoting non fair trials. I'm
not promoting that. But the point is they within their
system take drug distribution very serious. And you look at
(46:19):
the states of California, Washington, Oregon.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
They had all passed.
Speaker 8 (46:24):
Legalization, decriminalization of drugs through up and down, and then
you got places like Chicago, Atlanta, New York at time
not now, where they weren't prosecuting it. So whether it's
because you decriminalize it formally or you just don't prosecute it,
really doesn't matter. If you're not prosecuting a high volume
(46:47):
potency drug dealer, drug drug distributor, we're going to.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
Go backwards on this issue.
Speaker 8 (46:53):
If we lean into it, we're going to go forward.
And I will say there was one thing that was
sort of missed in the last election that I'm starting
to get hopeful on.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
California is a blue state. We all know that a
lot of people have missed.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
Last election, November election, they voted two to one to
overturn the California legislature to start to recriminalize drugs, and
a lot of people missed it because it was all
you know, we had the presidential election and everything else
going on, you know, the Senate in the House.
Speaker 6 (47:27):
But even California Blue voters are saying, this is nuts.
We've lost our brain, we've lost our way.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
We've gone woke, and we're more worried about pronounced than
saving people's lives exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
And then hopefully they don't run into activist judges that
are so compassionate to say, well, the voters really didn't
mean to vote that way. They have done this in
the past. I know that because I was born and
raised there. There were eight million people that voted for
the definition of marriage and it took one again judge
in San Francisco to erase eight million votes. You know,
(48:04):
welcome to the blue state, insane state of California, which
I still have kids in, which is very disconcerting, as
you can imagine. But anyway, I'm wondering, doctor Marbat. We
only have about three minutes left here, but is there
some sort of I mean, with all the intelligence that
we have offering, I mean, the fact of the matter
(48:25):
is is that we've got an addicted consuming base here
in this country that's a magnet to all these illicit drugs.
And as dangerous as ventanol is, is there some sort
of methadone like drug that can help these people so
that it helps them, you know, either get off the
(48:45):
drug or you know, to help ameliate the danger of fentanyl?
Speaker 8 (48:51):
Sadly, the short answer is there's some that have some
nominal benefit or have been proven that can work a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (49:00):
But here's the problem. Fentanyl kills you so fast.
Speaker 8 (49:03):
Remember that, you know, thirteen eighteen month window.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
You just don't find people that far.
Speaker 8 (49:09):
And so if you wait for treatment and you're taking
such a powerful drug, you're dead before your treatment starts.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
And so.
Speaker 8 (49:21):
Really the only good way to deal with fentanyl is
not to get started in the first place. I know
that sounds a lot Nancy Reagan ish, but it really is.
We've never seen a drug this powerful, and the best
way to not get hooked on fentanyl is not start.
And also to realize back to what the DEA is
(49:44):
finding that two thirds of all elicted drugs on the
street have fentyl at some level in it, and so
we really have to fight this by not saying there's
a safe way to do it. We can get you
off of it, or we can make fentanyl say if
you have to say no and keep repeating how lethal
this drug is.
Speaker 6 (50:04):
And that's where we solve this.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Well, it's a very comprehensive approach. That's only one part
I think in terms of it. But like you said,
we've got to disrupt, disrupt the supply chain. The cartels
are very deep into our country. They're involved in every
state of the Union. Before I remember when we first
started noticing it, it was maybe a dozen states. Now
it's pretty well been identified that the cartels are in
(50:30):
every state of the Union, and so they have their
operations for drugs and sex trafficking and every evil thing
that you can imagine that would generate income. And the
fact of the matter is is that, you know, it
really brings into question the morality and soul of the
American people. Are we that corrupt that we cannot see
(50:52):
the danger and what we're doing, you know, to our
fellow citizens and what we're doing to our families participating
in all these things that are illicit, that are empowering,
and the cartels are saying thank you very much because
we basically have created a big booming business for them.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
That's exactly right. And you point about we kind of
want by and depended the same time. It's critical, right
and we've got to go out after all the border
in China for prosident working item.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Well, doctor Marbat, again, I want to thank you so
much for being with us, and again, knowledge is power
and we've got to continue to do everything we can
to you know, get the word out there. So doctor,
doctor Robert Marbat, who is a Senior Fellow at the
Discovery Institute. He served under three presidential administrations, most recently
(51:47):
as the executive Director of the US inter Agency Council
on Homelessness from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one under
the Trump administration. Thank you again for your time and
for coming on the show, Doctor Marbat, take.
Speaker 6 (52:00):
Care, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
And thank you ladies and gentlemen for sharing a part
of your day. And hopefully this information we've shared with
you has been empowering, not only for yourself individually or
for others that you may have some influence under because
It is amazing, you know, the amount of people who
are dying, This is the lethality of this drug is
(52:23):
something that we cannot we cannot underestimate. As doctor Marbat
that illustrated. I mean, the amount of people who have
died from fentanyl exceeds the number of casualties in each
of the wars through the nineteen hundreds and the current era.
I mean, think about that, and again the numbers continue
(52:47):
to grow. So thank you again for being with us.
May God bless you, may keep you. May His peace
be upon you. May he be gracious unto you. Thank
you so much for being with us. Less
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Radio well and welcome Bill Martinez here.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Good to have you with us. We're going to talk
about this very pernicious drug that is out in the
marketplace that is killing a generation of young people in
our country. I've seen it as an act of war.
You may have heard me talk about it with other guests,
but like never before, especially when you look at the
numbers and what's been going on in the last decade,
(01:02):
how many we've lost. I've heard numbers anywhere between eighty
one hundred thousand a year. I mean, think about it,
that's more than we've lost in Vietnam in what seven
eight years of Vietnam, ten years of Vietnam. Sixty sixty
three sixty six thousand Americans died in Vietnam. And here
(01:23):
we've got young people that are dying, you know, from
overdose a fentanyl. Ventanyl has been introduced into other drugs,
and these kids think they're taking you know, maybe a
tail and all or something. And I'm talking about kids
that are in college, maybe working late night on a
term paper or studying for exams, and they need something
(01:45):
to keep them up. And the friends says, hey, look
at I've got this. This will you know, this will
help you out, And little do they know that it's
laced with fentanyl. It's even to the point where now
we understand that that marijuana, you know that the kids
smoke quite liberally these days, that that is even being
(02:07):
laced with ventanyl. This is how pervasive that it is.
Of course, it's very well accepted that it originates out
of China and from China goes to Mexico. Mexico formulates
the ventanyl in pills, and in some cases the pills are
looked made to look like almost like candy. Anything that
(02:30):
they can do to inspan tize people and make it
seem like it's you know, not so dangerous. But the
kind of collection that the FDA and in our law
enforcement officials are picking up, they're they're in such large
numbers that they could eradicate our entire country, if not
(02:54):
even cities at one Fell Swoop. I mean, it's just
it's just unbelievable. But there's been this kind of casual,
laissez faire attitude about fentanyl. And we're going to have
a doctor Robert Marbert going to be joining us in
just a moment and looking forward having him on the show.
(03:16):
He is the producer of filmmaker of the documentary Fentanyl
Death Incorporated. It's the most comprehensive documentary ever produced on
the fentanyl crisis. Death Incorporated will provide an in depth
exploration of the most dangerous drug created of all time.
Think about it as I was missing to you. I mean,
(03:37):
this originates out of China and then goes to Mexico,
they formulate the drug, and then it's sold here and
of course, completing the kind of the trinity of this
whole process are the consumers here in America. In some
cases you can say long term drug addicts, but in
(04:01):
many cases we've got innocent children in a sense, that
have died accidentally, and you've heard these stories, and it's
amazing to me why there isn't a greater outrage happening,
you know, around the country over this. You know, parents
are coming out in mass numbers and you know, up
(04:23):
in arms about this, but still it's under reported. It's
almost like our media is complicit in this massive extinction
of young people. And think about it. I mean, this
is in many cases the people that are dying here
are our young people. It's our future of our country,
(04:44):
eighteen to thirty five year olds, and like I said,
in many cases unsuspectingly taking the drug and then dying,
and it's just excruciatingly painful as you can possibly imagine.
I want to play right now a trailer, you know,
from this documentary as we await our guest doctor Robert Marbot,
(05:08):
who is going to be joining us hopefully any minute now.
So let's go ahead and run this trailer.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
This is fentanyl. This is your brain on fentanyl. This
is your friend's brain that was doing fentanyl with you.
This is the guy down the street also doing fentanyl.
These are kids who thought they were taking a purpose
that they got from a friend who got it off
the Internet, but the pill was laced with fentanyl and
now they're unconscious and unresponsible. This is the Mexican cartels.
(05:35):
This is the Mexican cartels working with Chinese chemical companies
to make pills by the millions, destabilizing the border to
traffick enough vindol to kill the entire population.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Of a country many times over.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
This is the ports of British Columbia, where chemicals to
make finnel or smuggled in by the tonnage and Canadian
super labs are producing fiddel to export the countries around
the world.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
These are gangs and drug dealers.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Near you, haphazardly mixing fennol powder with other chemical like xylazine,
which is a horse traquilizer, causing the user's skin to
fall off.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Hey, at least the eye last longer. Any questions.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
I have a question, what is the super lapp?
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I want to know why are we seeing these record
overdose deaths just in America?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Why is this happening here?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Our local hospital rooms are blowing up. Why because they're
killing our children?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
How do we change that offense? Bron Day, How much
of this deli poison it's coming across the border. How
come all these people are all passed out?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Where is all of this stop coming from?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Is China purposely addicting our nation? Health com parents protect
their children from fed hill That's a tough question.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
If that doesn't capture your heart and brings your brain,
I don't know what. And it's just a trailer, okay.
And doctor Marbe is encountering some technical difficulties right now
in joining us, but hopefully he will be on here
in just a moment so that Tea can give you
more of the background of what in what went into
(07:03):
producing this and the motivation And you can only imagine
the motivation was without doubt, I would think the sympathy
that he had to have had with you know with
uh uh, you know, with the parents and the victims
of of death incorporated of of ventanyl and you know
the people that that are responsible. Uh and uh, you know,
(07:28):
this is the thing that it's just unbelievable. You know,
what's what is what is taking place here with you know,
with the situation with Ventanyl. Trying to get a message
to doctor Marbat right now so that we can get him,
you know, another invitation. Somehow he's having some difficulty in
(07:51):
connecting with us. So I'm going to uh send a
message to the studio, to our producer to this is
what you're seeing me do here right now, Ladies and gentlemen.
This is as you know, this is live. So but
you can put up with us here for just a
moment as we try to get him connected. Was so
(08:16):
you can get connected with the with the show here
so that you can hear him, you know, firsthand for yourself,
because he has so much insight into this and when
I had spoken with him before this. You know, this movie,
this documentary Fentanyl Death Incorporated. For those people in the
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country who have seen this movie, it's really as you
can see from the trailer, it's quite captivating and it's powerful.
And this film, as I mentioned, delves into the multifaceted
aspects of this dangerous rod, featuring insights from leading experts
in the international and domestic supply chains, law enforcement, medicine, harm,
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harm reduction, and more. It is by far the most
comprehensive documentary on this topic on the fentanyl crisis I
think that's out there. It's certainly the most comprehensive I've
ever experienced. And as I said, this is going to
give you an in depth exploration of this most dangerous
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drug that is created of all time. And it's amazing,
you know that here we are then, we're coming off
of everything we just came off of with COVID and
you know, understanding more about gain of function and all
these dangerous chemicals that are out there. But meanwhile, I
guess the thing that astounds me is that fentanyl has
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been around, you know, so long, has been out there,
and it keeps killing, like I said, eighty to one
hundred thousand young people every year. And you know, I
looked at it when I when I spoke with doctor
mar but before I looked at it as a as
kind of an act of war against our country. And
(10:10):
I know that that sounds pretty uh, pretty wild when
you think about you know, you think about an act
of war with a you know, another nuclear power like China.
But we we keep kind of playing patty cake with them.
You know, we're worried about, you know, some of the
trade deficiencies that are going on. We got bigger, bigger
(10:31):
fish to fry here. I mean, when they are involved,
I mean single handedly, I mean we already know and
I know this is disturbing but I think it's pretty
well uh accepted that China was the starting link in COVID,
that all the information has come out as indicated that
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it wasn't as innocent as uh as they would want
us to believe, whether it was the who so social
media platforms and others thinking that COVID was just you know,
something that just happened out of the atmosphere somehow, and
it was, you know, something that came from a bird
or whatever. But I think it's very well accepted now
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according to the latest reports, that this came out of
a laboratory in Wuhan, not the wet markets of China,
and so that's been covered up. And here in America alone,
we lost over a million people, if you want to
believe the numbers and associate them all with COVID. The
death of people who died of COVID over a million people.
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And I don't know, it's just amazing to me that
our country just kind of just shrugged our shoulders about
it and just took it all in stride like it
didn't matter. But wait a minute. You know, our parents, grandparents,
relatives died and as you heard me report before, they
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died alone in the hospital and without family, anybody there
to say goodbye, and all that happened there out of
China and the way I believe that this country was attacked,
you can say, you know, we don't know for sure
if it was intentional. Most people, I guessed, in order
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to avoid the obvious, you know, are quick to say, well,
it was maybe some sort of lab mistake or you know,
some unfortunate occurrence, But regardless of what it was, it happened,
and people should be held irresponsible. You know, China should
be held responsible, but they're not being held responsible, and
they're not being held responsible for what they're doing with ventanol.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I believe the Trump administration this time around is putting
some pressure and I think that's one of the bargaining
points of this whole situation with the trade deal that
they're trying to work out, and they've gotten some cooperation
out of Mexico where they're trying to take some responsibility
and close down some of these factories that are manufacturing
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you know, these these pills. But this is just incredibly,
incredibly disturbing and the reality of what's going on, and uh,
doctor Robert Marbert and his team, as I mentioned, to you.
He is the producer, he's a filmmaker, and they have
produced this powerful documentary, Fentanyl Death Incorporated. And I believe
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that doctor Marbert is connected with us. Now, thank you
for your patience. And it looks like it's only going
to be on on audio only, but even an audio only,
it is a privilege to have doctor Marbaret with us. Now,
Doctor Marvith, welcome the show. Good to have you with us,
(13:46):
Doctor Marbith. Can you hear me now? Doctor Commercial says
he is okay, all right, I know we're just kidding this.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
I'm trying it or if this is my fourth try,
are you hearing me?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I can hear you there, I can hear you. Okay.
I guess we're gonna have to do it without a camera.
So that's fine. I will make the most of this situation.
I've been, you know, leading up and explaining to our
audience the documentary. We played the trailer for the documentary,
and so we'd counted a privilege and honor to have
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you explain to our audience. So why the documentary? Why
were you motivated to do this?
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Well, about four years ago, when I was still working
at the White House, I was up on the hill
talking to a senator who I consider a real friend
and don't want to mention his name to embarrass him,
a good, good friend. He was on the type of
committees you would expect that would understood the Finnel crisis.
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And what I realized was the senator said, well, after all,
fitnel is just met just stronger, and that couldn't be
more wrong and incorrect. Fentanyl actually puts your chest cavity
to sleep, It paralyzes your heart, it paralyzes your lungs,
whereas meth is an extreme upper it's like somebody on speed.
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And so my concern was when a senator who I
had done many briefing papers for who's a friend, doesn't
understand what this is about and how we got here,
and they should. That was what the impetus for me
to get a documentary going. And then as we got
it going, we just came across more and more information
(15:38):
about how bad it was, how we got here, and
how lethal.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
The situation was.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
When was this and that would have been about three
and a half years ago, because I carried into the
Biden administration a little bit and when I immediate left,
I said, we got to get a documentary because all
the white papers I'm writing aren't working and we need
to do something more visual, more understandable, I guessed. And
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along the way it became a much bigger project than
we thought.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, but denol had been around a lot longer than
just three years ago, I think. I mean, are we
going on close to ten years? If not over ten years,
doctor Margaret? Or on misunderstanding something?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
No, that's exactly my point.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Wait, fentanyl came on the scene right when the Purdue
Pharma was coming down, you know, after all the lawsuits
and Purdue Pharma was no longer able to distribute their
version of oxycodine, and hospitals stopped prescribing it, doctors stopped,
the pharmacy stopped carrying it, and so you had all these,
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you know, millions of prescriptions and hundreds of thousand people addicted.
And that's where China and the Mexican cartels backfilled it
and they saw business opportunity. And so this has been
around a long time. And at that point I really
thought a friendly senator, especially who we're reading briefing papers,
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would know all about it.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
And they did it. And if they don't know what,
you know that was my point.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
If a senator on the right committee doesn't know, we
got major problems going here.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, especially because at this point oxy codin had been
off the market, bendall in the market probably at that
point somewhere eight to ten years already exactly. And so
eight to ten years, and you've got data pointing to
all this danger in young people dying, and he thinks
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it's just a minor drug out there that's maybe not
as consequential as it should be.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
And I think a lot of people really thought this
is just you know, we had gone through PCP, we
had gone through cracking cocaine, we go through black tar,
angel das, we were just finishing up on math, and
I think a lot of people thought just this is
our next one. But nobody understood how lethal fentanyl was
(18:13):
compared to any of those other dry I mean, it's
a hundred times more powerful than morphine. Yet you know,
in some super versions or s fentanyl or soup fentanyl,
some of those are actually even.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
More powerful than that.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
And in literally two to three grains of assault equivalent
of fentanyl will kill you or I and one rice
grain will kill fifteen people. And I don't think anybody
understood how lethal fentanyl was, and I think that was
sort of you know, there were many mistakes made along
the way, and the priory administration that I was very
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frustrated with is they were sort of slow to react
to all crises. But they could not see to talk
about fentanyl because that it meant you had to talk
about borders, and that was an inconvenient truth to be
able to How do you say, we're worried about the
fentanyl supply, but we're not really worried about our borders.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, and that's what I was explained to the audience
is that the chain which began in China, they're producing,
you know, the raw ingredients, they're shipping it to Mexico.
Mexico is formulating it, and then it's coming into a
ready made market. As you say, they were backfilling the owners.
I mean, they had a market that was ripe and
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addicted to oxycodin and they needed to have an answer
to their pain.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
And it was interesting, you know, when you break it down.
I don't like to dwell too much about how we
got here, but you do need to know a little
bit so you understand how to get out, you know.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
But we got to think about solutions.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
But in the beginning, the Ellissa fentanally legal fentanyl, which
by the way, is not very pure, not very scientifically made.
It's made in jungles and back alleys and basements. We're
backfilling the white collar addicted folks who many had had
shoulder surgery, knee joint replacement. That was where it came from.
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And it was over prescribed and misprescribed, and so that
was a group that people politically didn't really want to
talk about. And then it was also simultaneously hitting the
homelessness street, especially on the west coast and the northeast.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
And that's a group that a lot of people just overlooked.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
They say, Oh, they're just druggies, we don't need to
worry about them. And that's where it eventually started. But
by about twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, it was
east to west, north, the south, big city, small city, rural, urban.
It's everywhere now, and we need to understand it because
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the numbers really aren't going down.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
No, yeah, exactly, So what are we talking? Over a
million people have died of fitting all over Dosa since
since came into the country.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, we're pretty close to it.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
We may not be right at that, but if not,
we'll be at it this year. And remember there's finnel
kills you in a lot of different ways, and so
not everybody measures all four. But there's the recreational drug use,
which is what the media does talk about, unfortunately because
it's way more than that.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
But and it's the number one killer of.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Eighteen to forty five year olds in America, full stop
over everything else.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
But what a lot of people are not aware.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
It's the fastest growing killer for children zero to four.
And they're obviously not drug addicts. They're just getting poisoned
by finnyl dust being out in public or a park
bench or the street. And our documentary talks a lot
about it. But now you got two other types of
fentanyl overdoses starting to happen. Like in Philadelphia was the
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epicenter of trink, which was a purposely laced fentanyl with
horse tranquilizer. They were trying to reduce the death rate,
is what they were trying to do, but still keep
the power of the high. And so that's lacing and
so often that that's reported under trink horse tranquilizer death
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not fentanyl.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
And then there's the people where.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
They don't know that the fentanyl is in the supply,
like weed, co crack math. You're starting to see fentanyl
really poison the other illicit drug supplies that and I
by no means I'm saying you should be taking those
other type of drugs because they're they're fatal too in
(22:50):
a high dosage. But when you start adding fentanyl to it,
it really is Russian Roulette. And Dea is estimating about
two thirds of all other illisted drugs have some level
of fentanyl in it.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Now, that's amazing. How insane is this that the suppliers
are killing author customers. This doesn't make sense.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Well, they they're trying not to do that. They're trying
to do their best to lower it. They're trying to
do it to mix it, you know, hence the lacing.
But the reality is fentanyl is something so powerful that
was built in the lab, designed in the lab, and
nobody understood how powerful it was in the beginning. And
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I mean the people who were creating it, they they
don't want.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
People to die. They want them to live so they
can buy more and more and more.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Right, But the high of fentanyl is such a powerful,
strong magnet that draws people to it. So they're trying
to balance the high, the potency of.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
The high, without making you die.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
And that's why they're really working hard now to lay
sit and dilute it now.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
But sadly, you still die.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
I have yet, you know, I work on the street,
as you and I've talked before. All the time, I've
been working on the street for twenty five years, and
I've never seen a drug where I have not met
anybody who's been on it more than eighteen months. Most
of the people I know have only been on it
eight nine months, And most doctors say the sort of
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half life of a user of ventanyl is somewhere around
twelve to fourteen months.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
You just die that fast.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
So sometimes it's in pure overdose you took the wrong amount,
and sometimes it's just the slow breakdown of all your systems.
It paralyzes your lung, it paralyzes your heart, starts to
affect your kidneys and liver, and then it starts affecting
other body systems that you slowly crash and thing finally, creator.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Does it work a little bit like heroine to where
you your body builds up a certain resistance to where
you've got to, you know, add more fentanyl to to
your dose.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Absolutely, you know all the opioids.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
Have that problem that if you start very carefully and
I to me, let me make it real clear, I
don't think he can make fentanyl safe, and I don't
think he can make the fentanyl supply chain safe.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
So but from a user point of view, they say,
all right, I'm going to.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Start real, real light, dilute it down to a really
low level, and then start And what they find is
two things happen.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
You build up that resistance as you talk about that,
almost all opioids and many other drugs do the same thing.
But it also brings you back to get more addicted
and you crave the high more. But you start using more,
and you're using more often, and so you get this
double whammy. And that's why you just I challenged somebody
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to tell me I was a regular FITNAL user eighteen
months ago, and they're alive. You just can't find somebody
like that now. It's just so deadly.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well, yeah, and you talk about the life expectancy of
a user being somewhere between fourteen and eighteen months. I
mean I had never heard that before.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
I mean, this is and that's on the high end
because you get you know, a lot of people are familiar.
You know, one pill the dead or one pill kills
you know, there's several programs around the country you talk
about that there's a lot of people die on first
use of Fitanyel.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
You hear that all the time.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
And so when I'm talking about fourteen months, sixteen months,
twelve months, that doesn't even count the group of people
that die instantly on first use.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
That's just the outer edge of.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
People who are really scientifically within their view of science,
trying to dilute it down. But the reality is this
is so powerful you need white glove, you know, vacuum
laboratories to measure this out to get to low levels.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
And you can't do that on the street.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
You can't do that in the jungle or in the
basement in a back alley.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
You can't.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
We're trying to take the most powerful drug ever invented,
and we're trying to treat this like weed on the street,
and like.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
As if you have some sort of exact formula, if
it's done out of some you know, garage or backstreet
operation type of deal. You have no idea how much
of the ventanyl is actually in that pill, do you
at all?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
It's a crapshoot.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
And you know, we have a part of the movie
we have a dea Task Force agent who is a
deputy sheriff in San Diego, and he goes the amount
of instruments that you medically need to manage this to
get the fight dosing to live and not overdose.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
It's so minute.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
There's no measurable scales on the street or formulas to
do this.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
And to think about, let's flip it.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
And talk about that professional pharmaceutical grade fentyl that's used
for surgeries, in particular heart surgery. With that fentanyl, you
probably couldn't have open heart surgery. It's a perfect medical
drug medication for that because it slowers your heart rate
and it reduces your breathing. So that's really an important
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drug to be used. But when you're in that circumstance,
you were in a medical operating room and you got
at least one medical MD anesthesiologist. You normally have a
tech you're hooked up on a device that's monitoring seven
(28:57):
or eight vital signs. You have the overall operating doctor
managing you, and you have a nurse, so you at
least have two full time people to part time people.
In a more advanced surgery, it's sometimes more than that,
monitoring how you're doing fentanyl, and that's not how people
take it on the street at all, you know, And
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so even in that case, they're minutely managing it and
they're watching your oxygen, your blood, take your.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Pulse, your blood.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Pressure, several other things, and nobody's doing.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
That on a street.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
And especially if you're taking fentanyl all alone at your house, nobody's.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Going to know exactly well.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It brings the question of are there accidental desks in
the operating room because of vmyl I?
Speaker 8 (29:48):
You know, there's always desks around antiseesiologist, you know, you know,
they always talk about it when you use, you know,
any sort of thing that puts you to sleep and
do that.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
But it's nothing like it was.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Medical fitler was invented.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
In nineteen fifty nine by a guy named doctor Jensen,
a long long time ago. In the beginning, there were
a lot more you know, on the table desks, if
you will, and they've gotten real good on how to
monitor it. And so they know how to properly use it.
So if you're being told you're going to have fitnyl
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for heart surgery, that will probably make heart surgery possible
because a lot of people would just die of shock
on the table before Fittler was used for open heart surgeries.
And so so bentanyl really when properly used, and I
mean medical fentanyl, but there's nothing remotely like medical fentanyl
(30:47):
on the street.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
It's illicit bentanyl on the street.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
It's not medical fitanyl at all, and you're not getting
the medical care when you're taking it.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, on top of that's a monitor. I'll tell you,
doctor Marbut now that we have you here, I'm going
to play for the audience because some may have joined
us late. I want to play the trailer to the documentary,
but I want you to introduce it to our audience
now that we have you here, So go ahead if
you would please.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Awesome, it's uh, we got a real fun and I
mean fun. It's entertaining, not not the topic is fun,
but it's entertaining.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It's engaging.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
And it's a bit of a spoof on the Just
Say No to Drugs that that was about thirty five
forty years ago when drugs were really benign compared to
where they are now.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
And so it's a take off on that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, that was the one that said this is your brain,
and this is your brain on drugs, and that demonstration,
and so let's go ahead and let's play that trailer again,
if you would just give me one second, okay, standing by,
this is your brain on fedloh, this is your friends
brain that was.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Doing fentanyl with you. This is the guy down the
street also doing fentanyl. These are kids. He thought they
weren't taking a purpose that they got from a friend
who got it up the internet. But the pill was
lace with fentanyl. Now they're unconscious and unresponsive. This is
the Mexican cartels. This is the Mexican cartels working with
Chinese chemical companies to make pills by the millions, destabilizing
the border, to traffic in that fendyl to kill the
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entire population of a country many times over. This is
the ports of British Columbia, where chemicals to make finnel
or smuggled in by the tonnage and Canadian super labs
are producing fiddel to.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Export the countries around the world.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
These are gangs and drug dealers near you, haphazardly mixing
fennyl powdered with other chemical xylazine, which is a horse tranquilizer,
causing the user's skin to fall off.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
But hey, at least the eye lasts longer. Any questions,
I have.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
A question, what is the superlapp?
Speaker 7 (32:52):
I want to know why are we seeing these record
overdose deaths just in America?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Why is it happening here?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Our local hospital rooms are blowing up.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
Why?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Because they're killing our children?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
And how do we change that?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Off of defense broad Day, how much of this deli
poison is coming across the border.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
How come all these people are all passed out?
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Where is all of this stuff coming from them?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Is China purposely addicting our nation health?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Can parents protect their children from federill?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
That's a tough question, That.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Is tough question. And the reality is is that our
young people, as doctor Marbot had pointed out, eighteen to
forty five year olds, this is the strength of this
next generation, the future leaders, the future of our country,
A generation of young people that are being annihilated through fennol.
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You know, doctor Marbat, as you were saying, you know,
the takeoff of the commercial, well done of the trailer.
I shouldn't say not the commercial is that of what happened?
What we're doing, you know, saying no on drugs? And
if I remember back at that time, there were a
lot of public service announcements about drugs. But you're not
(34:08):
seeing a lot of public service announcements for Ventnyl. What
have we lost? In translation?
Speaker 8 (34:13):
Here in we do a little dive microdive just about
San Francisco in our documentary and we want One of
our things we do is there's if you're in San
Francisco and you do cigarette smoking in a public building
or right outside of public building, you can I think
(34:34):
the first tickets like two hundred and eighty five dollars.
And I was out there as part of the filming
and doing some research and owner it was either a
store own or a patron it called police to report
the guys smoking outside the building, and the police respond
if we're two blocks away from an open consumption site
(34:59):
for Finnyl. And so here you are in San Francisco,
and we did some digging around and you can get
up to it. If you're a repeat offender, your final
ticket can be eight thousand dollars for smoking illegally in
public a cigarette, but in fentanyl. The City of San Francisco,
in the County Health Department at that time, was actually
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paying for a site for you to go use fentanyl.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
They call it a safe consumption site.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
And as I've said before, you can't make fentanyl safe.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You can't make the drug supply safe with fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
So here they send people to go die basically and
with no culpability.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
With taxpayer subsidy.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
But then we're going to give you a ticket for
smoking a cigarette outside of building. And I'm not promoting
illegal use of cigarette smoking outside of building. I'm not
promoting that. But why is it we treat cigarette smoking
one way in fentanyl, which is really deadly, and the
government is saying we're going to subsidize you to do
(36:01):
fit though it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, I mean, we're already losing eighty to one hundred
thousand people a year. I don't think people who smoke
are hitting those kind of numbers, you know, but this
is Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. But this is unfortunately,
this is a country we live in right now where
everything is inverted. You know, up is down, down is up,
(36:26):
and I don't know what is it going to take.
But again, I'm surprised looking at this situation. Why, you know,
when we look at years years ago, when there was
you know, public service announcements, radio stations across the country
constantly would be running commercials. I mean this program. I
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know that Salem Communications has helped you in producing this documentary.
I think they have like about one hundred stations still,
and I think even with the relationships with other broadcasters,
that we should be able to bring everybody together and
put these commercials out, put these public service announcements out
(37:06):
to make people aware, doctor Margaret, because I think that still,
I mean, here you are, you're talking to an elected
official not that long ago, when we already knew or
people that should be aware, especially when you're on a
committee and you're you know, you should know about how
dangerous this is, and they're just so largely ignorant. And
(37:28):
I mean that's kind of you know, it's not even sad,
I mean, it's irresponsible.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Well that's why here's the way I think we need
to think about it in context. Think about this this
this case, I don't even know if it's a data
factoid or just a concept. More people have died Americans
servicemen and women, all seven branches of uniform service, plus
(37:54):
the intelligence agencies in a hundred years of Americans being
at war World War two, Vietnam, Korea, Kosovo, Go War one,
Go War two, Afghanistan, Iraq, Global warrantear, a few other
un things. Add all that up, We're people have died
in fentanyl since I talked to that senator that then
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died of fentanyl than all the wars for one hundred
years that United States has been involved in. And we're
not acting like we're at war. And think about China.
And I spent three weeks over in China with filming
on the movie and researching, and I think initially it
was all about the money. They wanted to make some
(38:38):
quick hardback currency greenback, and I think that was it.
But real quickly they realized we can days stabilize our
number one adversary not fire a shot, and Americans actually
send him money. I mean, it's really if you could
have a war footing and and kill your oppositions population
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eighteen to forty five in the most successful way over
any other cause of death, What a great way to
destabilize your adversary and not spend any money and actually
make some money.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
It is they have really figured it out and we're
not acting like that. But China.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Now, I will say President Trump gets this issue unlike
any other president you know who before, you know, because
this still was going around during the Obama administration in
the beginning, the very you know, Infancy and everybody I
talked to back then, They're like, Oh, it's just another drug,
it's another thing. And then when Biden's group came in,
(39:45):
it was very slow to react. They tried to react
in the last three or four months going to the election,
but I had Maybe I'm too cynical, but were they
reacting because it's the right thing to do, or are
they're reacting to salvage the campaign that was in a
ditch at that point?
Speaker 6 (40:03):
You know, are they really trying to do the right thing?
Speaker 8 (40:06):
And I just think they were just late to any crisis,
but this crisis in particular.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, I think we give them sometimes. I think we
give politicians too much credit. And that does sound cynical,
but that's based on years of experience and observing what
they do is that they're more interested than getting re
elected than really good policy, and there's very few politicians, sadly,
(40:34):
that are around that are willing to, you know, put
it all on the line and fall on their sword
for the American people. And we keep electing them into
office thinking that they have a mindset like that. But
the fruit of their efforts tells you differently. It tells
you you know, these things that as you say, and
I'm with you on it, it makes us all cynical because
(40:58):
this goes on for, you know, such a long time,
and then you look at you know, Okay, so here,
first of all, you've got an adversary that says, hey,
I want to be where you are. I want to
be the predominant ruling nation on the planet, and we are.
And they've made it clear they want to overtake America
(41:19):
and they've been very systematic about it. They have bought
our politicians. We know that money comes into the country,
and we know through the Confucius Institute they have invaded
our universities. They're controlling education. We know through the supply
(41:40):
chains America, through our trade policies, have allowed them to
get an upper hand to take over and even steal
intellectual property from the people who have engineered it and
created it and did all the R and D and
on and on. At every turn, China has proven itself
(42:00):
to not be an ally. They clearly, as you say,
are an adversary. And so here they get away with ventanyl.
They bring this in, and so does does ventanyl be
get covid, And it demonstrates not only to the communist
Chinese they want to overtake America, but to the world
(42:20):
America is a bunch of knuckleheads. And we're vulnerable to
this because, you know, because of greed or whatever it
is that you want to put it on. But you know,
you look at all the money that China has put
in to you know, to I guess as Miranda Devine
put it to elite capture our elected officials.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
And then take go back ten years. You're exactly right
on all that about China. So take up everything you
just said, and then add to the mix the supply
chain that was already developed by the Mexican cartels into
the country.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
And that's what China didn't have.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
And so they have this very unholy alliance between the
China and everything you just said.
Speaker 6 (43:09):
Add in the Mexican cartels and get it in. And
now in.
Speaker 8 (43:13):
The last couple of years, you're starting to see the
Canadian biker gangs come in and are there now backfilling
because the Southwest border in the last three months has
really started to get closed down. Like I meant, President
Trump is serious about closing the border. And now you
got sort of a move to the Canada. And I
(43:37):
always want to remind people why Canada is so important,
just like the southwest border is right there, the northern border.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
A lot of.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
People don't are not aware that the US Canadian border
is the longest land border between any two countries.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
In the world, exactly.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
And so we got to get it serious on the
northern border, just like we've got and serious on the
southwest border.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
And we got to get serious with China.
Speaker 8 (44:04):
And then you had one thing there that I think
we should always and those are part of the solutions.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
We got to get tough on Canada, Mexico, and China.
Speaker 8 (44:12):
But the other thing is we have to at some
point have an honest question or an honest sort of
dialogue inside the United States.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Why is it we're four four and a quarter.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
You know, four point two five percent of the world population,
We're consuming thirty eight thirty six percent of the fitnel
world supply, and we're sixty six percent of the worldwide
death total reported.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
Now, not all.
Speaker 8 (44:39):
Countries report their death so I understand that sixty six
percents probably closer to forty or fifty. You get the point.
Why are we ten times the death rate of the
rest of the world.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
Why are we.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Consuming so much illiicted drugs compared to You know, when
you go to China, there's not a fentanyl problem in China,
And ironically, when you go to Mexico, you go to
Mexico City, you almost can't find fentanyl or anybody using fentanyl.
So they know how dangerous it is, but they let
us do it well.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
And probably the way they enforce it to doctor Marbat
is that if you are selling it or participating it,
you don't pass go collect two hundred dollars, you go
straight to jail uh and and in some cases there's
a death sentence there.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
In China that they execute dealers. And what I was
told when I was on the ground, if you lap,
if you get caught, especially the high volume or high
quantity or the high potency drugs, if you get caught,
if you're alive in two weeks. That's that's very unusual.
You know, you you you probably have some other benefit
(45:55):
to the Chinese Communist Party. You got something else you're
going to help them with in trade. If not, you're
they execute you. And you know, the trials less than
a day. And I'm not promoting non fair trials. I'm
not promoting that. But the point is they within their
system take drug distribution very serious. And you look at
(46:19):
the states of California, Washington, Oregon.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
They had all passed.
Speaker 8 (46:24):
Legalization, decriminalization of drugs through up and down, and then
you got places like Chicago, Atlanta, New York at time
not now, where they weren't prosecuting it. So whether it's
because you decriminalize it formally or you just don't prosecute it,
really doesn't matter. If you're not prosecuting a high volume
(46:47):
potency drug dealer, drug drug distributor, we're going to.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
Go backwards on this issue.
Speaker 8 (46:53):
If we lean into it, we're going to go forward.
And I will say there was one thing that was
sort of missed in the last election that I'm starting
to get hopeful on.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
California is a blue state. We all know that a
lot of people have missed.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
Last election, November election, they voted two to one to
overturn the California legislature to start to recriminalize drugs, and
a lot of people missed it because it was all
you know, we had the presidential election and everything else
going on, you know, the Senate in the House.
Speaker 6 (47:27):
But even California Blue voters are saying, this is nuts.
We've lost our brain, we've lost our way.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
We've gone woke, and we're more worried about pronounced than
saving people's lives exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
And then hopefully they don't run into activist judges that
are so compassionate to say, well, the voters really didn't
mean to vote that way. They have done this in
the past. I know that because I was born and
raised there. There were eight million people that voted for
the definition of marriage and it took one again judge
in San Francisco to erase eight million votes. You know,
(48:04):
welcome to the blue state, insane state of California, which
I still have kids in, which is very disconcerting, as
you can imagine. But anyway, I'm wondering, doctor Marbat. We
only have about three minutes left here, but is there
some sort of I mean, with all the intelligence that
we have offering, I mean, the fact of the matter
(48:25):
is is that we've got an addicted consuming base here
in this country that's a magnet to all these illicit drugs.
And as dangerous as ventanol is, is there some sort
of methadone like drug that can help these people so
that it helps them, you know, either get off the
(48:45):
drug or you know, to help ameliate the danger of fentanyl?
Speaker 8 (48:51):
Sadly, the short answer is there's some that have some
nominal benefit or have been proven that can work a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (49:00):
But here's the problem. Fentanyl kills you so fast.
Speaker 8 (49:03):
Remember that, you know, thirteen eighteen month window.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
You just don't find people that far.
Speaker 8 (49:09):
And so if you wait for treatment and you're taking
such a powerful drug, you're dead before your treatment starts.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
And so.
Speaker 8 (49:21):
Really the only good way to deal with fentanyl is
not to get started in the first place. I know
that sounds a lot Nancy Reagan ish, but it really is.
We've never seen a drug this powerful, and the best
way to not get hooked on fentanyl is not start.
And also to realize back to what the DEA is
(49:44):
finding that two thirds of all elicted drugs on the
street have fentyl at some level in it, and so
we really have to fight this by not saying there's
a safe way to do it. We can get you
off of it, or we can make fentanyl say if
you have to say no and keep repeating how lethal
this drug is.
Speaker 6 (50:04):
And that's where we solve this.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Well, it's a very comprehensive approach. That's only one part
I think in terms of it. But like you said,
we've got to disrupt, disrupt the supply chain. The cartels
are very deep into our country. They're involved in every
state of the Union. Before I remember when we first
started noticing it, it was maybe a dozen states. Now
it's pretty well been identified that the cartels are in
(50:30):
every state of the Union, and so they have their
operations for drugs and sex trafficking and every evil thing
that you can imagine that would generate income. And the
fact of the matter is is that, you know, it
really brings into question the morality and soul of the
American people. Are we that corrupt that we cannot see
(50:52):
the danger and what we're doing, you know, to our
fellow citizens and what we're doing to our families participating
in all these things that are illicit, that are empowering,
and the cartels are saying thank you very much because
we basically have created a big booming business for them.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
That's exactly right. And you point about we kind of
want by and depended the same time. It's critical, right
and we've got to go out after all the border
in China for prosident working item.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Well, doctor Marbat, again, I want to thank you so
much for being with us, and again, knowledge is power
and we've got to continue to do everything we can
to you know, get the word out there. So doctor,
doctor Robert Marbat, who is a Senior Fellow at the
Discovery Institute. He served under three presidential administrations, most recently
(51:47):
as the executive Director of the US inter Agency Council
on Homelessness from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one under
the Trump administration. Thank you again for your time and
for coming on the show, Doctor Marbat, take.
Speaker 6 (52:00):
Care, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
And thank you ladies and gentlemen for sharing a part
of your day. And hopefully this information we've shared with
you has been empowering, not only for yourself individually or
for others that you may have some influence under because
It is amazing, you know, the amount of people who
are dying, This is the lethality of this drug is
(52:23):
something that we cannot we cannot underestimate. As doctor Marbat
that illustrated. I mean, the amount of people who have
died from fentanyl exceeds the number of casualties in each
of the wars through the nineteen hundreds and the current era.
I mean, think about that, and again the numbers continue
(52:47):
to grow. So thank you again for being with us.
May God bless you, may keep you. May His peace
be upon you. May he be gracious unto you. Thank
you so much for being with us. Less
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