The Bill Martinez Show 12 11 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 11 25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
our values, our politics, and our future.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
And now Bill Martinez, Well, good morning and welcome. Good
to have you with us. Six minutes after the top
of the our Bill Martinez here with Mike O'Neil from
Landmark League. Oh hey, Mike, how you doing good?

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Bill, Good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, always good looks. I thought we'd just you know,
catch up on a couple of things that we talked previously.
I think last week we did touch on, you know,
the decision from the Court regarding Texas As redistricting. So
big win and already I mean, no, sooner did that
decision come down. You got Jasmine Crockett says, I'm leaving Congress,
I'm running for a Senate and and you got musical

(00:45):
chairs moving quite rapidly there in the state, right.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah. And it looks like the takeaway from the Supreme
Court is this, I think, and keep in mind, this
is we're going to be in jerrymandering wars now. This
is That's the best way to just bottom line this
and get the whole lay of the land is that
respective state legislatures, whether they're controlled by Republicans or Democrats
are going to jerrymander their respective states in a manner

(01:09):
to maximize the political potential of their respective parties. So
when you have states like Texas that are controlled by Republicans,
certainly you're going to have that. On the other side
of the ledger, you're gonna have states like California, which
of course is a one party state, is already moving
the state that is moving in the same process to
redistrict out the Republicans, and they had something that was
Proposition fifty that they just that just got through the voters.

(01:33):
I mean, there's all kinds of questions about the validity
of how that was presented and how that was voted on.
Setting that aside for a second, and assuming that Proposition
fifty is a valid law, there's a challenge to that.
On the basis of it, it looked like the motivation
behind the Proposition fifty in California was clearly race. I
think there was actually on the record there's actually maximize

(01:54):
the Hispanic the power of the Hispanic vote. So that
sounds to me like it's motivated from race. Contrast that
with what happened in Texas, where they were trying to
remedy what had been racial gerrymandering, and that was the
motivation on Texas, and it was partisanship. That being said,
it sounds to me like the Supreme Court is going
to give extreme deference to these state legislatures to redistrict

(02:17):
their congressional congressional boundaries.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Based based on based on party, not.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Race, based on partisanship.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
And I think the rationale, of course, is if you
use if if the what motivates the redistricting or the
jerrymandering is partisanship, that's permissible. That's not violative of the
Fourteenth Amendment, it doesn't violate the Voter Rights Act. The
Supreme Court is not going to get involved in it.
If you can show that it's race, then then that
might get a look from the courts. That being said,

(02:46):
I think you're going to have to overwhelmingly show that
it's race. In otherwords, it's not just going to be
enough to show that it was part of it. You're
going to have to show that the motivating factor was race,
not partisanship. And now it's oftentimes difficult to separate this
to right because oftentimes a lot of race and partisanship
follow parallel tracks. Right, Well, I think you're going to

(03:08):
have to really if you're going to be challenging these
congressional are these state legislative actions to redistrict these to
to redraw these congressional boundaries, You're really going to have
to present really strong evidence to support your your your
contention that it is motivated by race not partisanship. Because
if the in Texas again, if you can show, if
the state legislature can show hey wait, wait, wait, it's partisanship.

(03:29):
We just wanted more Democrats, or we just wanted more Republicans,
courts are gonna be like, okay, we don't want to
get involved in this is a political decision. So yeah,
it's good news in Texas. Might on the other you know,
on the other side of the coin, you know, some
of the justices, justices, conservative justices, you know, conservative quote
unquote justices, indicated that they'd be predisposed to ruling in

(03:50):
favor of Proposition fifty in California as well. So you know,
you have, on one hand, there's the Supreme Court Gibbeth
and on the other hand, you say, maybe from a
political standpoint, they take it away. But again, had bottom
line is they're going to say, hey, look, this is
a political decision. We really don't want to get involved
unless you can show.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Race outside of the box. Mike. The thing that keeps
coming up in my discussions with people are saying, well,
wait a minute, you know, how is this fair? Like
in California where you've got almost fifty forty percent. Yeah,
roughly of the citizens of California vote Republican and they're
they're you know, right now, they only have nine seats.
The Democrats have what forty or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

(04:27):
some incredible number. So it seems to be imbalanced. Is
there something where I don't know if it's Congress or whoever,
has to step in and say, look at you can
jerry mander to your heart's content, but there needs to
be a tolerance level. You can't be based on partisanship,
you know, go one hundred percent and get rid of
the opposing party because you happen to have you know,

(04:51):
the majority control, super majority control.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, well, I don't. I don't think there's an easy
answer to that question. There's not, because as long as
under our structure, you know, the state legislature is designed,
you know, designate the boundaries for congressional districts, and until
that structural, until you address that structurally. If assuming you
want to address that structurally, you're going to have what

(05:14):
we have now, which is again, as I said initially,
the gerrymandering awards, where you're going to have these right
absurdly ridiculous as long as partisanship is a valid and
again the courts have held that partisanship is a valid
motivation for designing these congressional districts. As long as that's
the rule, you're all you're going to have this. You're
going to have this, uh you know, I mean, I'm

(05:36):
hesitant to use it, but really you are disenfranchisement. I
mean you say, exactly, look at look at look at
New England, though, Bill, I mean, if you look at
if you take if you take a picture of New England,
you know, and you see, you say, it's the same
thing as California. It's it's extremely blue, and its representation
in Congress. And yet thirty to forty percent of the
people you know, are are our Republican in our or

(05:59):
more predisposed to about Republican and the states. So I think
it's just the lay of the land and on a
on a on a broader level, it does. It does
contribute to further divides through our country. You know, I
mean you're gonna yeah, but then you're in the reds
and the blues are blues and they don't have to
come together. It's it's probably not a good thing.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well fundamentally you're back to majority rule. Yeah, yeah, right,
And and so I mean I don't know. I mean,
and of course it's an uphill battle, particularly in California
because they've been so solidly uh you know, super majority
controlled and it's been the uniparty there that it's an
uphill battle for them. And God only knows. I mean,

(06:40):
there's always suspicion about their you know, their registration roles
in that I think they still have they still have
over a million and a half people on the rolls
that they already determined should not be I mean it
was three million at one time. They got rid of
half of them. Uh, and it's like, well what happened
to the other half. Well that you know, they're they're
not willing to go cold turkey in terms of cleaning

(07:03):
up their voter roles.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, California is a mess. I mean, we could talk
I mean, we could have hours and hours of conversations
of all the problems with the electoral system in California.
It's it's absurd, starting with the fact that they've they've placed,
they've put in institutional barriers to ensuring that their voter
roles are accurate. In other words, uh sec, the DMV
can't even communicate with the Secretary of State. The secretary

(07:26):
of State in a in a respective state is in
trusted with ensuring the accuracy of the voting roles, right,
that's one of their primary jobs, and that's delegated down
to registrars in the counties, et cetera. But the Secretary
of State the DMV don't even talk in California. If
you figure, you go to California, you get a driver's license,
you're automatically registered to vote automatically.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
To get its easy as heck. To get a driver's license,
you actually actually affirm, you actually have to say I'm
not a citizen. And in order to add you would
figure that if the DMV has a list of identifiers
and identify, you know, points of identification of individuals who've
asserted that they're not citizens, I'm not a citizen, but
I'm getting a driver's license. Here's my address, here's my

(08:08):
you know, my age, my dob, et cetera. You figure
that the DMV has a list of people who have
acknowledged that they're not citizens. But it makes sense to
take that information and share it with the Secretary of State,
so the Secretary of State can say, oh, wait, I'm
going to cross reference this and I'm going to say, hey,
Mike O'Neill has indicated he's got a driver's license, he
indicated he's not a citizen. He lives at this address.
I'm going to give this information to the vote Registrar

(08:31):
of voters and see if Mike O'Neil's name appears on
the voting list. And if it does, I'm going to
reach out to Mike O'Neil and say, hey, you're on
the voting list. You're not a citizen. You might break
belong commit a felony if you go and accidentally vote,
because we send everybody in the mail ballots anyway. You
just get it in the mail. All you have to
do is check a box and then drop it back
in a mailbox and it's already there, and you just
committed a felony. So maybe it's a good idea to
take Mike O'Neil's name off the list because he's not

(08:52):
a citizen in California, there's a law that the DMB
cannot communicate with the Secretary of State. Why do you
think that is exactly detect And that's that's to ensure
that this this skewed system continues to exist in California.
They're not interested in ensuring the accuracy of their voter
roles from as from an institutional perspective, exactly. There's just

(09:14):
it's just in so many ways, it's just really really
sad what's gone out there again, Uh, mail voting and
mass you don't have to do anything. You just get
a ballot in the mail. If you're names on a
voter list, there didn't matter. So that's it's just it's
in a lot of ways. You know, there's so many
good people out in California who are fighting these battles
to try to you know, these these battles to try

(09:35):
to understand this and dismantle this ridiculous, the systemic fraud
that's been instituted, exactly. But you know, you fight it
as you continue to go. We can talk for hours
about California.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Now we got to go to break. We got more
from Mike O'Neil after this. Stay with us.

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Speaker 1 (14:25):
With your nineteen minutes right now after the top of
the our Bill Martinez here with Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal.
Just one more thing about California. Oh yeah, by the way,
you know, they may get this information, but they're not.
The DMV is not sharing it with a Secretary of State.
But it seems the DMV is sharing it with trucking
companies and they'll, you know, they'll send the information. Trucking

(14:47):
company say, hey, I think we've got a new hiary here.
He's a little rough on the language and he's not
a legal citizen, but you know, I think you should
be able to you know, he's got he's got a
driver's license, go ahead and certify them and putting behind
the steering will of an eighteen wheel truck.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Right, Yeah, And this is one of those things I'm
you know, I understand and I respect separation of powers
in our federalist system, and I respect the role that
states have and the generally, you know, states should be
left to handle their own affairs. However, and again I'm
always skeptical about federal intervention, but this is a case,
this is a classic case with the Department of Transportation,
and I think they are doing this really needs to

(15:26):
intercede on this. These are commercial driver's license. This is
the definition of interstate commerce exactly, and the power of
Congress under our constitutional structures to of course, to regulate
interstate commerce. That's fair when you have these multi state,
these interstate trucking companies that deliver goods and service goods
throughout the country. There is a role for federal oversight here,

(15:49):
and I think that it's imperative that these states get
in line and to the extent to which that they
are perpetuating this fraud. Again, continuing to ensure that non citizens,
individuals who can't even read English, are are awarded commercial
driver's licenses. There needs just a serial intervention immediately on
this and zero tolerance. I mean, it's endangering people on
the highways. And you know, we have this impression of

(16:12):
you know, the trucking, your trucker is, it's a necessary component,
it's a blue collar worker. We had this kind of
stereotypical who this is, but that's that's not really not
the case what we're seeing, right, It's it's somebody from
you know, who just maybe arrived from wherever.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Packets some third world country, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Come in here. So no, no, no, no, no that
you know, I'm all for opportunities and and everything, but
if you're going to come in here, there's there needs
to be a there needs to be a baseline qualifications
to be a CDL driver in the United States, and
to the extent to which states aren't ensuring that that's happening,
there should be consequences for them enforced by the federal.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
It's so common sensical, Michael, I mean, you know, this
is just absurd. So is how liable is the state
of California on these issues? Are from livebuilding.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, when you talk about Liabel it's talking about you're
talking about, you know, whether whether they're accountable from a
financial perspective. I mean they're they're certainly straight up if
there's gross negligence that a state has and they're not
they're not instituting any any kind of controls or any
kind of checks to ensure that they're They're awarding licenses
to these individuals and then those individuals are going out

(17:21):
and committing gross you know, accidents, et cetera. I mean,
you'd like to find some accountability, but again, you come
into the the idea of of of immunity, of sovereign
immunity there, and I mean, I think they should be accountable.
I don't think from a private perspective, I don't think
you could sue the state of California for awarding a
CDL driver's license to somebody who's not qualified to do it.

(17:42):
I think you I'd love to see that, but I
don't think that you're going to get anywhere in a lasses.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
What's the only way you're going to stop it?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well, yeah, or the state or the federal government or
the DOOT comes in and says you're not getting highway
funds unless you get unless you get your act together.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I mean, that's like Michael, supposedly nineteen thousand uh commercial
driver's license have been and uh you know, have been
given to illegal immigrants.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, absurd. Yeah, And that's that's your stick. You know,
we talk about what your what your stick. Your stick
is you either get this yet, California or whatever state
you want to designate, you get your act in line
with this, uh, you know, immediately, or we're not awarding
federal highway funds for you. And the states need all.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
That money so that especially California, they're already bankrupt.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Anybody exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, So you know, okay, all right, let's take a
look at the Supreme Court. We got about six minutes
left here. Lots of uh, you know, lots of cases
on the docket here that are going to be you know,
pretty you know, pretty concerning here. So go ahead and
let's talk about them. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Sure. This earlier this week, we heard oral arguments in
a case called Trump versus Slaughter. This is this is
a case that's deciding the propriety of or whether the
president can terminate employment of these heads of these quasi
or these commissioners in these quasi independent agencies. In this case,
it's the Federal Trade Commission. And so what the issue
here is you had an individual, Rebecca Slaughter, who was

(19:04):
originally nominated by President Trump to serve appointed by President
Trump to service at FTC Commissioner. She served her term,
was reappointed by Joe Biden. Joe Biden, her term is
about seven years. Donald Trump comes back into office months
to terminate her because he says, Rebecca Slaughter, you're not
on board with the Trump agenda, and so I'm going
to terminate your employment. And she is. She says, well, no,

(19:26):
mister President, you can't terminate my employment. I'm insulated because
Congress has passed the law insulating commissioners of these of
these quasi independent agencies from from at will termination. So
she can only be terminated unless she's, you know, unless
she's done something really bad. And the President says, no,
Congress doesn't have the power to insulate you from termination.
I'm the executive. You're part of the executive branch, you

(19:48):
effectuate executive duties. I want to fire you. And the
question she relies on a decision from ninety years ago
known as Humphrey's Executor, which had which stated this is
a Supreme Court decision which stipulated that Congress could pass
these sorts of laws to establish these quasi independent agencies.
The rationale behind that years ago, the Humphrey's executor, was
that these commissioners need to be a political and experts.

(20:11):
They need to be able to be above the fray,
and they shouldn't be they shouldn't be subject to the
whims of the president or the undue influence of the president. Well,
we know how and that was the rationale proffer ninety
years ago. We know in reality that these folks are
of course they're political, they have an agenda. The president
wields executive power to the extent to which these individuals
wield that executive power. These commissioners wield that executive power.

(20:33):
They should be subject to accountability to the President of
the United States. He should be able to terminate them
if they're not on board with advancing his agenda. That's
really the bottom line of this case. So it appears
that we have six justices on the Court that are
amenable to that argument, understand the proper separation of powers.
They've been trending in this way for the past six
or seven years. Really the Court's been understanding that administrative

(20:54):
agencies need to be accountable to the president, not accountable
to hoot you know themselves, this fourth, fourth branch of government,
unaccountable to anybody. We can't insulate them from accountability. It's
imperative that the president have this power. He has, I
submit to you, and constitutional people like me always say
he's always had this power. It's just the past ninety
years have been an aberration. So I think we're going

(21:16):
to you know, the court. The good news is the
Court is returning and recognizing first principles, and I think
that they're going to be poised to overturn this case.
And really it's not just strengthening President Trump, it's understanding
the inherent executive power of the exactly, not Donald Trump,
it's anybody can be it.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, I would think that future presidents are going to
thank Donald Trump because of what he's doing, because he's
reclaiming executive power. It's not that he's trying to create
something out of whole cloth, right.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Right, absolutely, And this is what's an important what a
really interesting question that was posed, and I think it
was Justice Kavanaugh said, well, why hasn't any president done
this before? It's ninety years we're talking about why they.
President Bush or even Reagan, for example, challenged the propriety
of Humphrey's executor and the interesting question the solicitor general.
And the answer the question the Solicitor General gave was well,
I think all too often presidents were happy to farm

(22:07):
out these tough political decisions to these unaccountable bureaucrats and commissioners.
So and it's kind of it kind of goes hand
in glove with what Congress does. Right, Remember Congress, We've
talked about this a lot. Congress will pass these vague
laws and then farm out the tough decisions to the
administrative branch, to these unaccountable bureaucrats and say, oh, they
can make the tough decisions because I need to get

(22:29):
re elected and I don't want to have to I'm
gonna take my hands off this. So I think that
was a really interesting point that the Solicitor General made
that says, hey, maybe other presidents weren't as bold in
their in their assertion of executive power and saying, oh,
the tough political decisions, Well, I'm just going to let
others make those decisions for me. And now it's Donald
Trump and makes these decisions. So that's a good thing.

(22:49):
I also think the answer is why hasn't been challenging
ninety years is the fact that we didn't have a
Supreme Court who was probably amenable to these arguments. Now
we have an iteration of it that they're going to
listen to it.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Right, Yeah. And I think that it is important to
observe Donald Trump's influence because of his independence. You know,
I've said from day one, what makes Donald Trump so
powerful and unique is you don't see him as one
who is beholden to a you know, a d C.
Establishment power base, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, Yeah, And I think that's that's certainly certainly part
of it. I think for people like me in the
in this legal movement who've long like held Humphrey's executor,
this is like super nerd stuff. But this is one
of those cases that we always identify as just particularly
problematic from a separation of powers issue, from a separation
of powers perspective, and so we've always said, look, this

(23:42):
is just again the growth, this is just one of
those cases like Chevron that we talked about before, that's
always that you're trying to understand, how has this fourth
branch of government become so powerful and so all encompassing. Well,
there's there's under you know, there's laws, and then there's
Supreme Court decision undergirding those laws. And until you just
begin to dis man all that piece meal, you're not
going to have you're not gonna have accountability from this

(24:05):
fourth branch of government. And again we're seeing this happening
slowly but surely. Again, this is you know, how do
you eat an elephant one bite at a time, right, right,
exactly one of those bites that you need to take.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, and Donald Trump only has three more years left
in which to do this, Michael.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah, he does. But as long as we have a
Supreme Court constituted by six members, right, you never know
it's going to happen going into the future. As long
as you have this, this composition of the United States
Supreme Court does this is like Gorsich Thomas Alito, who
are open and listening to these arguments, listening to Justice
Gorstich talk about separation of powers is just manna from

(24:40):
heaven for people like me. So as long as you
have that iteration and you have a bold enough Republican leadership,
I think we're going to continue to see this slowly
but surely. But it is it is a herculean task,
let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, I think our founding fathers wanted things to move slow, right,
We're we're not doing the Evelyn Woods school of speed
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Speaker 1 (28:57):
Hey, welcome back, Bill Martinez here along with the Manhattan
BASBAX News contributed to Roy Murdoch. Hey to Ryan, how
are we doing?

Speaker 16 (29:04):
Oh great?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Bill? How are you?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I'm doing fine. I'm just kind of, you know, having
fun observing all these civilians and people who think they
know about the military. Uh, you know, it just reminds
you to say, thank God, you don't have some of
these democrats trying to conduct a war plan.

Speaker 17 (29:20):
Right, No, it's absolutely right. And you know, we watched
over the last a week, week and a half, this
whole hubub about the boat strikes off of Venezuela, right,
and the I've seen these Democrats just weeping over these
these poor young guys who just want to make a
living sending drugs the United States? And how dare me,
nasty Trump and his henchman Pete xth interfere with their

(29:44):
their way of life and they're their living. I mean,
they're just such monsters.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Now, you've got you've got three hundred and thirty million
people there, So what's one hundred thousand young people that
we kill every year? That's right? You know, we have
a business to do here for goodness sakes, right.

Speaker 17 (29:58):
I mean, those those of Venezuela and drug cartels, they
got to make a living too, right, So you know,
who who are Trump and excess to get in the
way of these people you know, trying to you know,
live better lives. After all?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, the thing that cracks me up here just by contrast, Okay,
we're talking about the double tap here. I call it
the art of the double tap. Well, you know, wonderful, right,
And the deal is is that what's interesting by contrasts,
Remember when Osama bin Laden was taken out, you know,
Rob O'Neil and Sealed Team six. They triple tapped him.

Speaker 17 (30:33):
And imagine if they said, all right, you can shoot
him once, but if he's still alive, you got to
read him as Miranda rights and you know, bring him
in and get him an a A CLU lawyer. You know,
if this imagine that rather than a bunch of Venezuelans
bringing drugs in the US, you had isis guys coming
in in boats trying to bring in a lot of
an atomic device? Are we supposed to them once? If

(30:54):
we miss them, we've got to go and fish them out,
and and you know, make sure that they've got comfortable
jail cells and and you know Ivy League lawyers. I mean,
this is just ridiculous stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
You fish fish and fish them out and retrieve all
the material that they brought with them so that they
can use it at another time.

Speaker 17 (31:09):
I guess that's right. And you know if the idea is, look,
if you hit them once and they stay alive, you
can't hit them again. I guess if you just leave,
you're basically sentencing them to death because they're going to
be on the high seas, they're not gonna have any
first aid. Uh, they're likely going to dive exposure to
eaten by sharks in a couple of hours. So if
we're arguing that they have a right to life, it

(31:30):
seems to me that the obligation is to go and
rescue these guys and send them some Navy seals to
pick them up out of the water and uh, you know,
give them you know, three three hots and a cot
and uh, you know, maybe give them some English English
lessons and set them free to the US interior to
you know, join join the you know, eight or nine
million people who Joe Biden, Kamala Harris let in illegally exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Well, you don't even know deroight if they were wounded,
I mean you got bombs bursting and you got shrapnel
going all over the place there. H Yeah, Okay, they survive,
they're they're bobbing in the water and that sort of thing.
But the deal is is these are enemy combatants. They've
already been declared and you know, this is a war
that Donald Trump has declared. So the rules of engagement

(32:13):
are such that, hey, you got to you got to
take them out? Or is one? Uh one? I love
the Florida Sheriff sheriff out here, he said, we're just
making a graveyard dead.

Speaker 17 (32:24):
That's nicely. But I have an article about this on
the Daily Signal and the headlines three cheers for the
Pentagon's two step narco boat attack or the one two
punches I've been calling it, and I point out the scenario.
You know what if again you missed them the first time.
Some guys are alive, holding on to the wreckage whatever,
and we send some Navy seals in to rescue them

(32:45):
because we don't want them to drown or get eaten
by sharks. And one of the guys, he doesn't like
gringos very much, and as the Navy seals are coming
to rescue me, pulls out a submachine gun and mows
them down and got three dead Navy seals floating in
the water. You know what will? What will? The left
left and even some unfortunate some Republicans are critical of
this policy. Well, would they say, if we have to

(33:06):
have three funerals for four or five whatever number is
for usgis to get killed trying to rescue these guys.
Since supposedly we can't kill them, we got to rescue
them and bring them home, to bring them to the
US for safety. It's just a crazy, cock eyed nonsense.
And by the way, when Obama was president, he had
a double strikes. He hit all kinds of people, including civilians.

(33:27):
I think the number I saw is I didn't know
this before. Somewhere in the neighborhood. I twenty four twenty
five or so people were killed by drones under Obama
and then under bidening miracle, after the Afghanistan debacle, he
sent in a missile strike and what we're supposed to
be terrorists turned out to be a think of family
having Sunday dinner. And I think, what was that seven
eight nine people killed all of the night exactly. I

(33:48):
didn't hear anybody scream war crimes and call for Joe
Biden and the people at the Pentagon to be arrested
for war crimes. It's, I guess, only wrong if Republicans
do it. If Democrats do it, it's you are open
national security policy. If Republicans do it, of course, it's
it's a war crime. You know, violation of GEEP, the
Convention et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Well, again, the people need to measure deroi. Are you
safer with Trump and the rules of engagement that Pete Heseth,
our Secretary of War, is conducting, or were you safer
under Obama or Biden? And I think that's a I mean,
unless you're really stupid or you're so ideologically fixed that
you can't see reality. Uh, it's clear that when we

(34:30):
have rules of engagement that that are consistent with the
you know, the with the exercise of a war effort,
you know, we win. And when you go to war,
it's about winning. It's not playing patty cake.

Speaker 17 (34:45):
Well, this is a war. This is not a matter
of some kind of a regatta or a sailing competition.
Right now, these are people in very fast boats come
the United States, not because they're tourists. I want to
go visit Key West. I want to get drugs in
a country against the law, and a lot this stuff
kills people. You get a lot of dead bodies. Cocaine
is one thing. Fentanyl's another. I think the fentanyl deaths
from these kind of efforts are like seventy thousand, seven

(35:08):
zero thousand a year. That's more people killed annually than
usgis were killed during the entire Vietnam War. Think about that, right,
And so Trump and Hegseth are trying to put a
stop to that. And the Democrat's response is, don't do that.
Don't do that, you know, leave these guys alone, and
I guess let the drugs in and keep the American
deaths piling up. You also mentioned rules of engagement. Another
important point here is that people say, oh my god,

(35:31):
it's the viulation of the Geneva Convention. This is terrible. Well, look,
I would totally would agree if, as I explained this
article in Daily Signal, if these were a bombing, if
this had been bombing a US forgive me. And Venezuela
navy vessel with the Venezuelan flag flying and these guys
in uniform, the Geneva Convention applies, especially since Venezuela signed
the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention only adheres to countries,

(35:55):
to state actors who signed the Geneva Geneva Convention. You
don't sign the convention, you can't be protected by it.
And the cartels never signed the convention. They're also not
state actors. They're not in uniform. But Venezuelan soldiers, this
is a private cartel kind of like a mafia crime family.
This would be like saying, get the game. Being up.
Crime family is protected by the Geneva Convention. No they're not.

(36:18):
They're criminals. You arrested me, convict them. Now, these guys
are in the high season and a military action. You
blow up their boat, you kill them, I can miss them.
Me come back and blow them up again. So I've
tried for ten days out to cry about this, and
my eyes are staying very dry for some reason.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, well, you're just so cold, you know.

Speaker 17 (36:34):
I guess it's my cold heart. Yeah, my cold heart
closes up my tear ducks.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Right, you're just so cold. And then meanwhile, you know,
shame on you for saving the lives of young men
and women, as you say, the number seventy eighty thousand
a year that are dying just in fentanyl and loane,
not counting all the other stuff that they have been
importing from Venezuela drugs and you know, human trafficking and

(37:00):
everything else that is debilitating the young people the future
of America.

Speaker 17 (37:05):
Well, you're right about that. One of the things that's
really tragic about fentanyl. You know, if you take cocaine
or heroin and you overdose, that's sad and terrible when
that happens to you. Your family grieves, et cetera. Of
friends are very sad to see this happen. But if
you're doing hard drugs and you know it, you know,
it's kind of sad, but kind of know what you're
getting into. The unfortunately about fentanyl is there people who
take they think it's something for adderalls that can stay

(37:27):
for finals, or they think, hey, my elbow hurts something,
take a little pain pill litterally they know it's a
counterfeit pain pill or counterfeit adderall, counterfeit you know, tranquilizer,
and instead of getting you know, and acing the test
or getting the pain away from your elbow, off of
your elbow, you get a little speck or two of fentanyl.
Guess what, you're dead. You're not going to go in
a casket and have six feet of dirt put on

(37:48):
your face.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, you don't have to worry about the test.

Speaker 17 (37:50):
Then you don't have to don't have to worry about
the test, but you're probably not going to get through graduation.
So something's really off about fentanyl, which is again people
don't know they're taking it, you know, to take it innocently,
think hey, thinking I'm taking a pharmaceutical drug and it's not.
It's counterfeit, and it's got a little fenanyl in it.
It kills you. That's kind of permanent. So there's something
really really unfair and even more tragic about people who

(38:12):
die from ventanyl than people who die from cocaine or heroin.
But at least they know what they're doing a lot
of people, you're exactly what they're touching, so well, the
evil that way.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
You see this speaks of how pervasive it is to roy,
that it's that pervasive that it can be you know, counterfeited.
You know, these kids in school or anybody. I mean,
you hear these stories, these heartbreaking stories of these kids
that you know, have suffered an injury on the you know,
athletic field and they think they're taking a thailand all

(38:41):
or something and it happens to be something that's laced
with ventanyl and they're gone, And I mean, it's just
it's just crushing for these parents. We got we got
to go to quick break. We've got more from Deroy
after this stay with us.

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Speaker 1 (43:00):
Fourteen minutes before the top they are right now. Bill
Martinez here with the Manhattan based Fox News contributor Deroy Murdoch. So, Deroy,
all this to do? And again, you know, the Democrats
have no I mean, this is why we can't entrust
them with our national security, whether it's Joe Biden and

(43:21):
the fiasco in Afghanistan. But I mean, you know, everybody
looks at that and thinks that it was exclusive to
Joe Biden. This is something that's been consistent and part
of the WOOF and WARF and the mentality of the
Democratic Party, hasn't it?

Speaker 17 (43:36):
Well, it has been, and we certainly see it now
more than we've ever seen it before. I mean, used
to have people like Daniel Patrick moynihan and Joe Lieberman
and Sam Nunn, you know, these sort of these so
called hardcore Democrats who maybe spent too much money and
maybe they like too much regulations, whatever, but they were
pretty good on defense. Do you find few or few
of these people in the Democrat Party these days. And

(44:00):
the other thing you see, which is just so staggering
is they just love love, love love love illegal violent, criminal,
illegal aliens. This is the new base of the Democratic
Democrat Party. I'm waiting for some Democrat anywhere to say, yep,
that guy broke in his country. He's raped and kill people.
He's a total savage. Get him out of here. You
never hear that. You hear these people saying, get off

(44:21):
of ice, leave the ice alone. Tom Holman should quit,
I should go home. These are you know, fascist Nazi
gas stop oh blah blah blah. Never mind that the
people that they're picking up are often robbers, arm robbers,
rapists and killers and sometimes serial killers, deadly drunk drivers,
and there's no I hear nothing for the Democrats saying
get these people out of here. These people are dangerous.

(44:42):
Now let's be nice and people come over and just
want to work whatever. No, it's just a blanket view
that illegal aliens have to be left alone, even the
ones with rap sheets and blood, the blood of their
victims on their fingers. It's astonishing. That is an unfortunate
development the Democrat party.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I mean, how do how do Democrats subordinate the rights
of the American citizen to the illegal immigrant? How do
you get there?

Speaker 17 (45:09):
Well, I think easily for the Democrats. They think, hey,
this is our new base. We can't rely on black
folks as much as before. A lot of other people
who voted a Democrat have gotten sick and tired of
their nonsense, and so let's bring in, you know, ten
million people illegally. And the thought is, okay, these people
are Hispanic or from the third world. They're going to
vote for us, and all of a sudden they've got
their new majority to get elected and re elected. And

(45:31):
if some Americans get you know, robbed, raped, or killed
along the way, well that's just collateral damage. That's the
that's those are the wages of power and the price
to pay to control people think. I think they're that cynical.
I think they're that evil, They're that feckless. And that's
one more reason the Democrat Party needs to be destroyed
and needs to be retired to the Smithsonian Institution and
turned into an historical artifact, like the Whigs and the

(45:53):
know nothings and the wide Wigs and these other former
parties of the of American history don't exist any more.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
And how much has this illegal enterprise brought to you
by the Democratic Party, how much has that contributed to
the unaffordability of where America is today?

Speaker 17 (46:15):
Well significantly. I mean it takes a lot of money
to pay for all these freebies we the Democrats have
been giving these people. I live in New York City,
and thankful, thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It's weak because it's our taxes that they're giving away.

Speaker 17 (46:28):
Well that's right, exactly. Well, here in New York it
stopped because the border has been closed, thankfully by Donald J. Trump.
But when when the borders wide open under Joe Biden,
these people are crossing the border, breaking in and within
a couple of days, they'd hop on buses and they'd
be my neighbors here in New York City getting free
hotel rooms, free food, free medical care. Their kids are
getting free education. It was a terrible case here in

(46:50):
New York City of a school for special needs kids,
which I think was kind of modern, and local kids
from New York were here. Well, the local and special
needs kids were booted out of their newish school with
all these special services and facilities. Those American born, black
and Hispanic kids are kicked out, told okay, you guys
go studying this old school from like nineteen oh five,

(47:12):
which apparently was falling to pieces. And then they let
the illegal alien kids into the new, high tech, modern
school for special ed kids, and you know, screw the
American kids, and by the way, screw their parents. Unbelievablely,
and this part of the reason the Democrats has been
losing them. It's one thing to say, you know, let's
be nice to people who break in our country, but
let's be nice to them, and let's be mean to
American citizens. Let's spend their money, let's take services away

(47:34):
from them, provide them to people who have no right
to be here, who broke into this country, and take
care of their kids better than we take care of
our kids. And this is part of a big part
of the reason the Democrats have been suffering the polls.
And I know they had pretty good night about a
month ago, but they certainly suffered in November twenty twenty four,
and let's hope they continue to suffer in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Well, the people need to connect the dots here and
open up their eyes to see that the Democrats are
not worthy of their vote if they have any desire to,
I don't know, save America, because they put us on
the brink. And thank God for Donald Trump. Deroy if
we didn't have Donald Trump, I mean Kamala Harris administration.

(48:14):
Right now, all this corruption, all this fraud and everything
that we're just finding out that we knew was there,
but would all be hidden the things that the discovery
of you know that you know that the FBI has
been able to, you know, expose all this stuff would
just go away and it'll just be more of the same,

(48:36):
and you know, and then it's just say goodbye America,
hello third world America.

Speaker 17 (48:41):
Well, you're right, and as you say, one of the
advantages of having Republicans in charge, as you find out
about all of this craft and corruption. You know, part
of it is, as you say, a lot of Obamacare
money turns out, is just a wash in money paid
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(49:02):
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but these are people you know, at the doctor all
the time, getting expensive. The doctors are charging or medical
services are charging for performing medical attention that really isn't
performed at anybody because there's no patient there. And then we
found out recently from her Meat Dillon at the Department
of Justice. I think I believe the numbers somewhere in

(49:23):
the two or three hundred thousand, two hundred thousand or so,
the people found on voter rolls across the country who
are either dead, they've moved away, they're no longer at
those locations. They're voting in two places, whatever it is.
And you know, in a close election, especially for president,
if you can throw two hundred thousand votes and you
have the right number in Nevada, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania,

(49:45):
guess what in Florida and part of among other places,
all of a sudden, you win the White House, and
you don't have to cheat from coast to coast. You
basically need to cheat in Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta,
and and probably Detroit. And if you can get just
enough additional five thousand votes here, ten thousand and fifteen thousand, there,

(50:06):
all of a sudden, you win the White House. And
I'm not sure where these two hundred thousand votes are,
but if they're in the swing states, that can make
the difference between President JD. Vans and President Alexandria Acosso Quartez.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Right, well, exactly, well, you know that's that's what happened
in the twenty twenty election, absolutely right, you know, and
this is why, you know, talking about Venezuela. I think
Venezuela's key, and I think this is what's freaking the
Democrats out because there is a lot of intel there
because keep in mind that all the shenanigans and the
stealing of elections, you know, the headquarters for you know,

(50:42):
Dominion and Smart Mattic is right there in Venezuela. I mean,
this was a program that was you know, that was
championed by Maduro for his stolen election. Efforts, and since
then Deroy seventy other countries, including the United States, have said, hey.

Speaker 12 (51:00):
Me too.

Speaker 17 (51:02):
Unbelievable, Yeah, extraordinary, And I agree with you completely. I
think the twenty election was stolen. I think the Democrats
stole it. You add secretaries of state and judges and
mayors other people changing the election rules, and the only
people can change election rules or state legislatures. So even
if you don't believe the stories about bags full of
ballots shown up before in the morning, which I think
actually did happen, but even putting that stuff aside, you

(51:23):
had secretaries of state and other people other than state
legislatures changing the election rules in some cases up until
election eve, literally the day before the election. They were
not allowed to do that. That is vote fraud. That
is how the Democrats stole the election in twenty twenty.
And this business is talking about the voting machines as well.
That's one more extremely problematic detail has to be ironed

(51:46):
before ironed out before the twenty twenty or twenty twenty
six midterm elections.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Well, I thought it was quite quite rich that this
young man who walks as chihuahua in the neighborhood that
they decided, oh, this was the guy that put those
bombs at you know, RNC and the DNC headquarters on
January the fifth. Supposedly, he said the reason that he

(52:11):
was upset was because he believed the election was stolen.

Speaker 17 (52:17):
Yes, and it was really funny they described him as
some sort of a Trump supporter. I'm not sure that's
entirely clear. And also Jake Tapper got a lot of
trouble because he described him as a white man and
they showed his picture and he's not white. I mean,
I've never seen a white person that ten's a black guy.
But once you have a black guy in there, then
it screws up the whole narrative that it's all a

(52:38):
mega maga white supremacist aryan nation KKK Nazi, you know,
neo Nazi program. He got a black guy in the
middle of this, and all of a sudden their narrative
falls apart and they don't know what to say. So
this is a kind of humor. See that happen even
a point of again, Jake Tapple describing this guy as
as a white man when he was anything.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
But you know, it's amazing what the mainstream media, how
they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. You think
that they would, you know, call time out, go out,
have a sabbatical, get them all together in the room,
and say, hey, guys, we've got to regain somehow and
repent and maybe regain some moral clarity here, because we're
really looking pretty stupid. Yeah.

Speaker 17 (53:17):
Well, you know, I did a piece also for the
Daily Signal. I guess it was last week or two
weeks ago, and I need the suggestion Democrats before they
make an announcement, they should do five minutes of homework
and try to figure out, you know, if what they're
about to run out and say makes any sense. And
what they do is they just open their mouths and
start screaming, and then one person has some very simple,
basic question and the entire premise collapses. So, for example,

(53:39):
you had what was it, two senators or four members
of the US House come out with this video about oh,
you're a soldier, you don't have to obey illegal orders,
blah blah blah. And they went on the air and
somebody said, Okay, it's Donald J. Trump involved in any
illegal military orders right now? Well, no, we don't think so, Okay,
So what's the whole point of h we don't know,

(54:02):
and they look like total idiots. I mean, you think
they'd all sit in the room and go, okay, we're
gonna do this video. And when somebody says, can you
name an illegal order? Say okay, mention this, this and this,
you know these two or three bullet points or this
one bullet point or any bullet point. It turns out
they have nothing there. And when people get up and
ask them it's a very simple question, which should be
very predictable, name illegal order Donald J. Trump is issued,

(54:23):
they go uh uh. They just look like total drooling morons.
I don't know why press secretaries or chiefs of staff
or somebody don't say their bosses, the senators and congressmen,
sir or ma'am. You know, we're going to prepare you
for this. And by the way, if you don't have
that illegal order, maybe you shouldn't do that video. It's
just a story of these peoples rush out. I wouldn't

(54:44):
say half cocked, they're like ten percent cocked, and then
they get busted that look like buffoons.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Well this is what happens when your conversation is restricted
to the silo that you live in, right, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (54:54):
I mean, when everybody there is saying, you know, Trump
is hitler, and they'll agree with that, and nobody challenges
it as well, is he really hitler? And is he
doing anything hitler like, you know, if you think he's hitler,
and then you know, obviously he's doing illegal things, obviously
issuing illegal orders, and nobody in the room stops and says, okay,
can we name one? Can we put it on a
chalkboard and you know, memorize the two or three facts
about this to use as talking points on the air.

(55:16):
They just they're not going through that basic exercise, which
is anybody's working on a campaign with a candidate, or
anybody's worked as a staffer on Capitol Hill or elsewhere,
you prepare your boss for these basic questions, either for
formal interviews in studio, in news studios or when people
just track you on the street or walking down the
hallway in the various congressional office buildings. It seems like
the press secretaries and chiefs of staff and other staffers

(55:39):
are not not giving these their bosses, you know, one
or two minutes of preparation for any of this stuff.
It's just doing homework. When they look like like like
total morons when they go out to public this way.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Well, it's clear, JEROI, they're not interested. He's the Manhattan
based Fox News contributor contributing editor of National Review Online.
To Roy Murdoch, thank you to right.

Speaker 17 (55:59):
Thanks very much. I'll tuck you soon again.

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Speaker 1 (57:07):
Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live. Hey, good morning.
Six minutes after the top of the hour, Bill Martinez here.
Great to have you with us. Also, we've got Michael
pack As a director and producer of the Last six
hundred Meters joining us. He's the president of Manifold Productions
and Palladium Pitchers. Michael, welcome the show. Good to have

(57:28):
you with us.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (57:29):
Good to be with you.

Speaker 18 (57:30):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Well, I want to talk about something you recently addressed,
and that is the Department of Defense sending out a
warning to Senator Mark Kelly so that he could be
recalled to face navy charges.

Speaker 16 (57:44):
What say you, Well, first of all, I want to
remind your viewers and listeners that they can still get
the last six hundred meters on it.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
No, I'm glad you brought that up, because I was
going to ask you about that, but I want to
get him. But let's go ahead and talk about that
because some people have because of course it was featured.
It was a big part of Veterans Day and the
whole holiday.

Speaker 16 (58:05):
So absolutely so It's still available on Amazon and will
be for the foreseeable future. Well, look, I'm really concerned
about that ad there, Ran. I mean, I think it
was horrible. I mean it's one of those things. I mean, technically,
of course, in the military they don't have to obey
illegal orders, but I think there's some standard. It has

(58:25):
to be sort of obviously illegal. I mean, it's meant
to if you're like a sergeant and your lieutenant tells
you to shoot a prisoner, you're supposed to decline. But
you're not supposed to decide the constitutionality of questions like
bombing boats in Venezuela or anything like that. I mean,
how can you? And that's sort of the implication bill.

(58:46):
It reminds me a little bit like in my neighborhood
here in Chevy Chase, a very little neighborhood there. Those
signs were so popular during the pandemic. You know, I
trust science, Love is love, and those are all tautologies,
and this is a tautology too. Obviously soldias don'tenough to
obey illegal orders, but those tautologies implied something else. When

(59:07):
they said science is science, they meant that that whatever
doctor FACTI said they would do right. And when these
people say don't obey illegal orders, they mean question the
orders that Donald Trump says and make up your own
mind whether you want to follow them. That's sort of
the hidden subtext. And I think that's what angers Donald
Trump and Pete Hegsaff and right, Lisa.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
And I think it angers most Americans that voted for
Donald Trump because they've been trying to recap him since
day one. I mean, this has been going on for years,
and we're kind of fed up with this. I mean,
we've got a country to save here, get back on track,
and all they can do is, you know, put a
stick in his in his spoke, so to speak, and

(59:50):
trip him up here and of course right now, I mean,
if that wasn't bad enough, here we're talking a president
who already had an attempted assassination on him. The rhetoric
that they have been dishing out that he's a fascist,
he's Hitler, and this, I mean, this is very dangerous.
And so this is another one of those arrows in

(01:00:12):
the quiver that are targeted for Donald Trump. And I
don't even think that for a moment that they're considering
what this would do to our country. I mean, here
we are month of November. We remember sixty two years
ago with the assassination of JFK and what it did
to this country. Could you imagine an assassination of Donald

(01:00:35):
Trump right now, what this would do to America?

Speaker 16 (01:00:38):
I cannot imagine, or if the two earlier assassination attempts
had been successful. Yes, I mean, it is very horrible.
I agree, it's very destabilizing. In my film The Last
six hundred Meters, lots of these marines got orders they
didn't like and they thought were wrong. But and you
could see it in the film as they expressed their

(01:01:00):
anger at being told, in particular, not to finish the
fight in the jaff in Fallujah, but they did what
they were told. I mean, that idea where they can
start questioning these things is really it's it's dangerous at
a very deep level. And it's and it's and it's
disconcerting to the you know, it puts these servicemen in

(01:01:21):
a terrible, terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Position exactly, you know, And watching that in the movie
The Last six hundred Meters, it was reminiscent of Vietnam.
I'm a Vietnam era vet I wasn't in country. I
was in public relations stationed at Camp Pendleton, California, so
a lot of information went through and it was very frustrating,
especially in interviewing the Marines when they came back, you know,

(01:01:42):
from being in country, because there was a lot of
civilian involvement and and it was that same type of
conflict because what they would do, Michael, they would they
would go and they would conquer a hill, and then
they would recede, and then the next day the commander
would tell him, you know, officials would tell him. The

(01:02:03):
brass would say, Hey, we got to go conquer that
hill again. Oh wait a minute, we just lost to
half a dozen of our buddies who are dead in
body bags because we just didn't. Now we've got to
go back and do it again. And this was a
cyclic type of thing that happened in Vietnam. And that's
a whole nother argument altogether with civilians being involved here.

(01:02:25):
So you can't blame the military for having that content,
not that you are for having that kind of consciousness,
because you go to war to win, you don't go
to play paddy cake.

Speaker 16 (01:02:39):
Absolutely, it was really frustrating for all the Marines. In
my film in the very, very similar way. But they
didn't ever decide that they couldn't. They would just not
obey orders. I mean, that's not Look, we have a
civilian control of the military, and civilians have been screwing
up the military. Your military has been giving good advice
and the has been ignoring it for hundreds of years.

(01:03:01):
They'll keep doing that again. The only solution to that
problem would be a military junto where the military takes
over the government and it's run by the military, And
that's the solution in many Latin American countries, and it
doesn't work out so well. We believe in civilian control
of the military. It would be nice if they did it,
you know, if they were at least you know, if

(01:03:24):
they did it in a way that would win wars.
But in the meantime, it's not up to the military
to decide individuals on the front lines, and it puts
them in a worse position. I mean, if where they're
actually asked to make those kinds of decisions on whether
things are right or wrong, or constitutional or ethical.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
You know, you can't think when you're on the battlefield.
It's life or death, and everything is measured in seconds.
Michael indeed, and so for these you know, these are
elected officials, and Mark Kelly especially, you know, former military himself,
he should know better. Shame on him for doing this.
I am, you know, as a as a marine myself.

(01:04:05):
I'm I'm just grievely disgusted with him, and I believe
that every one of them at least should be censured.
I know that Trump was very emotive about it and
uh and called it out for what it is. It
is seditious. Uh And and to put that in the minds,
that question, and to do it in such a nebulous way.

(01:04:26):
They didn't come in and say, hey, President Trump ordered this,
we deem this to be an unlawful order. No, they
just send it out there, you know, kind of as
a just as a you know, a bomb to be
detonated in the minds of these young soldiers.

Speaker 16 (01:04:42):
And they were unable to name any illegal order that
Donald Trump is given, right, I mean, it's not these
illegal order things tend to be at a lower level.
If the President does something illegal, the ways to challenge
it are very clear. You know, you can you can
you know, the Congress can challenge it, the Supreme the
law courts challenge it if it's unconstitutional, and those and

(01:05:02):
his actions, you know, are being challenged, and we'll see
what the Supreme Court says. So the implication is really
not to want to go through the normal challenge to
question a presidential order. I mean, you know, in practice,
I mean, people have things like the Lieutenant Kelly example,
talking about Vietnam and mind although he had no order,

(01:05:24):
apparently he did it on his own. But yeah, if
you're going to murder civilians and you're told by your captain,
that's one thing. Presidential decisions that are matters of national policy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:05:36):
The next level down are the generals, and they have
many ways to challenge it and question it. I mean,
for example, they can announce publicly and then resign their
commissions in protest. I mean, they have lots of ways.
So it really confuses and conflates lots of things there.
And I think you're right, it's hard to know what

(01:05:56):
the intention was. But I I'm also very disappointed in
Mark Kelly. I mean, you would think that such a
decorated marine veteran would know better Heavy Navy. It was shocking.

Speaker 17 (01:06:11):
It's shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
You got to go to quick break. We've got more
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Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Hey, we're back with you nineteen minutes after the top
of the outright now. Michael Pack the director and producer
of the Last six hundred Meters. The documentary available on Amazon,
and it continues to be so unless we tell you different, right.

Speaker 16 (01:11:04):
Tell different and our other We've done fifteen films. They're
all available on one of our two websites, Manifold Productions
dot com or pladi in Pictures dot com. And we
have one other one on military themes. We did a
biography of Admiral Ricover, who's a very different kind of hero,
a Navy hero and an engineer hero rather than a

(01:11:26):
combat veteran hero. But important if you want to do
something like win the Cold War.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah, without a doubt. Six hundred meters won the highest
honors at the GI Film Festival in DC and the
Hudson Institute Film Festival in New York City. As a
quick summary, Michael, I want to give you a little
bit more time for people that have heard about six
hundred meters but not really sure what it's all about.

Speaker 16 (01:11:50):
Well, the last six hundred meters, the battles of Najaffan Fallujah.
Attempt to tell the stories of those two battles, which
were the biggest battles in America has fought since Vietnam,
and we want to tell it from the point of
view of the people who fought there, sort of ground truth.
It's called the last six hundred meters because the Special
Forces snipers says, I don't make foreign policy. I delivered

(01:12:12):
the last six hundred meters of it, meaning what he
could see through his sniperscope. And that's what we did.
We didn't go into the question of should we have
been in Iraq, whether the weapons of mass destruction or
any of those questions. We looked at it from the
point of view of the people on the ground, from
corporals and sergeants up to sort of one star generals
who are in the field. And I think it's important
to understand what those veterans went through, just like the

(01:12:36):
veterans of the Vietnam War were I think ignored and
even mistreated for many years. People are clouded, you know,
they're mixed feelings or negative feelings about the wars in
Iraq and Afghanistan. I think have detracted from appreciation of
the heroism and valor of the young men and women
who fought there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Yeah, that followed orders, you know, and many in Vietnam
were there because of the draft. They didn't want to
be there, and and of course the way it was
reported on you know, back home, the mainstream media, how
they all contributed to this thing. I mean, it really
is you know sometimes you know, the idea of freedom

(01:13:19):
of the press. I get this, our constitution, I love it.
I you know, I went into the military to defend
the constitution and our right for freedom of the press
and free speech. But you know, there it doesn't go
without responsibility, and I think that they contributed to some

(01:13:41):
of the damage and why many Vietnam vets came back
to the country with their heads hanging low. That is
very true.

Speaker 16 (01:13:50):
The media and the elites, American elites, you know, really
mischaracterized the war and mischaracterized what the American servicemen and
women doing over there. Absolutely and it's the same in
Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, they're not they don't get
there's only a focus on things like Abu Grab and
Haditha and PTSD. But these people were there representing America

(01:14:15):
and doing what we told them to do and putting
their lives on the line, and some of them, you know,
giving the ultimate sacrifice and many many more wounded, and
you can see it in our film. And we need
to understand and appreciate their service. It's not a matter
of whether you think presidents were right or wrong and
sending them over there and directing them. It's a matter
of what they did on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Well, I believe that what our leaders did can be
adjudicated in a different documentary indeed, right, But this is
what makes the last six hundred meters so special because
it's from the ground floor level. It's from the soldier's
perspective and their point of view. And when you consider
Michael that probably I think it's about one percent. Some

(01:15:00):
have said less than one percent of citizens in America,
you know, enter the military. Much less than a fraction
of them are actually in a combat zone, indeed, you know,
so that's very very unique it's right.

Speaker 16 (01:15:15):
We need to appreciate them, those that are in the
combat zone. And I'm my family is one of the
ones that didn't have a traditional military service. So it
was eye opening for me to meet talk and understand
these people, and I let them tell their story. They
look right at the camera, they talk in the first
person of what they did. We show the footage of
those same people in combat doing the things they're talking

(01:15:38):
about on camera, and I think these are I mean,
on top of everything else, these are powerful, exciting, compelling stories.
You know, people have been fascinated by war stories from
the Iliad to Shakespeare to today, and I think they're
I mean it's not like it's I feel it's an
exciting film in addition to telling an important story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Well, the other thing that comes out in this as well, Michael,
is that these young men and women who enter the military,
they're not a bunch of bozos. I mean, they're well trained.
I mean, they are so singularly focused. This is why
our military has to be treated with such a high

(01:16:21):
level of respect that something like especially Mark Kelly and
people in elected office should be should have a more
heightened awareness. It's one thing to come from you know,
some casual citizen that doesn't really understand, but when you
are an elected official, and especially like I said with

(01:16:41):
Senator Kelly, who raised his hand took the oath of
office that he lives under to this day. Because anybody
that takes the oath of office in the military's till
it's till the day you die, that oath is in
force to protect and defend our constitution against all enemies,
foreign and domestic. And now what they've done is these

(01:17:02):
you know, some have referred to them as the seditious six.
They have become enemies of our own country. They are
domestic enemies by virtue of being irresponsible with their right
of free speech.

Speaker 16 (01:17:18):
It's very shocking. I mean it used to be said,
and I think it's still true that you know, this
is even now. A historically small percentage of the people
in the Senate and Congress have served in the military.
I mean during the period where there was a draft,
it was much higher in a lot of World War
Two veterans. So you'd think that these veterans, these six
people who are veterans, they would provide the other view.

(01:17:40):
So it's pretty shocking that they come out this way.
And it seems pretty nakedly political because they have nothing.
Oh you back it up, they have no they can't
cite any illegal orders from Donald Trump. You know, they
can't really specify what they want from what they've done.
I mean it was a very On the other hand,
as a filmmaker, I do think it was a pretty
well made, powerful little you know, ad a spot. You know,

(01:18:05):
it was very strong, it was very compelling. It just
was wrong, right, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yeah, production value is good. Message wrong, yeah, exactly. I
get that. You know. It kind of reminded me a
little bit of the impeachment of Donald Trump with Lieutenant
Colonel Vindaman, if you remember him. And to me it
was I said all along when I heard him speak,
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(01:18:34):
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it's one thing you know your boss at a local level.
It's another thing if you don't agree with the President
of the United States, who is the commander in chief.
He is your really big boss. So you better have
your ducts in a row. And he sounded to me

(01:18:54):
at the end of the day, just so petty and
and irrational. But that's the nature, unfortunately, of political bias
and animus that that has become so often integrated and
accepted in our culture, and particularly at this level. So
I mean, there should be a higher level, a level

(01:19:18):
of ethics and behavior.

Speaker 16 (01:19:21):
I think you're right, and I think that kind of
thing does underpin Donald Trump's attitude towards it all. I mean,
I too was shocked by that by all those people
testifying against the president. I mean, you expect loyalty from
the people that work for you, you know, they should,
you know that. You know, there was a big tradition
of the people who work for the president, you know,
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(01:19:42):
not for a while. It was pretty shocking that all
these people were ready to trash the a sitting president,
you know. And I think that sense from Donald Trump
of betrayal that he that he felt. I mean, I
was in the first Trump administration, so I remember this
rather well. Well, yeah, that sense of betrayal. Now he
feels it again. I think it fuels his anger, the betrayals,

(01:20:07):
the attacks on him, the assassination attempts, but also the
personal betrayal by people who are, in this case, supposed
to be defending the military. People were supposed to be
defending the constitution. People he doesn't expect turning on him makes,
you know, fuels his anger. You know, he's had whatever
it is, ten years of that. That's sort of a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
And then on top of that, Michael, you got what
over ninety percent of that which is reported on him
in the mainstream media is purposely negative ninety percent. Give
me a break.

Speaker 16 (01:20:40):
It's really huge. I mean, it's really incredible. I do
a lot of things on public television. I listen to
a lot of public radio. You know, it's only one side.

Speaker 21 (01:20:52):
It's been a.

Speaker 16 (01:20:53):
Years since they really go out of their way to
interview people that may support or like President Trump. The
most you get is sort of Republican with Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I don't they don't. You know,
there are conservatives. They know how to present themselves in
such a way that they're not so enamored about Donald Trump.
I mean, they look at it objectively, and it's refreshing
to hear them. But unfortunately their voices are limited. But
they're important to hear because we need to have that objectivity.

(01:21:24):
We need to have that kind of input into the discourse,
don't we.

Speaker 16 (01:21:28):
Absolutely. I think that this dominance of the left and
so much of the media has been a problem. It
would be it's dominance from any one side is a
problem anyway. I see this in the documentary film business.
There's a huge number of documentaries. There's an explosion of
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(01:21:50):
say that like thirty percent of their product is nonfiction. Nonfiction.
You know, documentary is a miniseries and it's all from
one point of view. It's all from the left. I
think a lot of it is well made, a lot
of them are made by friends hours on the left,
but the country is not well served to hearing one
side of the story. And it's true across genres in

(01:22:14):
the media, you know, in the news, in print, everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yeah, it's just where we are at this point in time. Unfortunately.
But you know, as they say, this too shall pass,
and I can't. Indeed, Michael Pack their director and producer
of the Last Six hundred Meters, the documentary is still
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Speaker 16 (01:22:39):
Take care pleasure to be with you. Thank you Bill.

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Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Good morning, Welcome back Bill Martinez here. Great to have
you with us, and Monica Mahindra is going to be
joining us in just a moment, because we're talking about
the Library of Congress Veterans History Project, and it's commemorating
twenty five years this year. This national effort was created
by Congress back in two thousand to collect, preserve, and
make accessible the first hand remembrances of US veterans from

(01:26:44):
World War One through more recent conflicts and peacemaking peacekeeping missions,
I should say, and this year the project is marking
a major milestone and encouraging the public to help continue
its mission of preserving veterans stories for future generations. As
I mentioned, Monica Mahindra is joining us. She is the
director of the Veterans History Project. Monica, welcome, Good to

(01:27:07):
have you with.

Speaker 21 (01:27:07):
Us, Thanks so much, glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Well. I love this idea. I love what you're doing
in terms of documenting and being able to tell these stories.
Of course, you know, to preserve World War One and
World War Two. Of course, all the World War One
veterans are gone World War Two or diminishing daily. But
to be able to have those stories documented like this,

(01:27:33):
this is just a stellar effort. And as a marine,
I want to I want to thank you personally on
behalf of all the other military people and UH and
their families for doing this.

Speaker 13 (01:27:47):
Bill.

Speaker 21 (01:27:47):
First, I have to say thank you for your service.
I appreciate you taking the opportunity to highlight this effort.
It's just your kind of story that we are trying
to lift and preserve and make available for the future.
I hope you'll consider joining our effort as well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Yeah, I mean it really captured me, you know, because
I think you know, you know, my father was a
medic in World War Two. He served in the European
Theater with General Patten, and then three of his sons
me included and my two older brothers were Vietnam era vets.
Although two of my brothers were in country, I stayed Stateside.
I would have been the Private Ryan of the Martinez family.

(01:28:30):
So you know, you can only have two. I guess
you can't go three anymore since that infamous movie of
Private Ryan and that great history there. But regardless, in
our family has a rich history, and this is something
that I would love to get involved with and get
my you know, my one brother, my oldest brother, who
was a career Air Force passed away two years ago.

(01:28:52):
So there's two of the remaining sons of my father
that are still here to you know, share his story
and our personal stories in terms of our service to
the country. But you know, to that end, I want
you to help our audience understand that this Veterans History
Project right now, why it is focusing on volunteers right now.

Speaker 21 (01:29:16):
This year marks the twenty fifth anniversary of the Veterans'
History Project. A quarter century ago, it was dedicated through
unanimous consent of Congress, both the House and the Senate,
to preserving the personal stories of US military veterans. And
that was those who served, as you mentioned, from World

(01:29:37):
War One through the more recent conflicts now and also
in peacekeeping missions. And it's to touch on what you
were saying about World War One and World War Two
back even twenty five years ago. With this focus on
volunteers gathering the first person remembrances of the veterans in

(01:29:58):
their lives, there was still an understanding that that would
also need to account for those who had passed. And
so even today, just a couple of weeks ago, we
received an extraordinary collection of a World War One service member.
It was his journal captured in in tiny writing on
a pack of cigarette papers. So this idea of gathering

(01:30:24):
these stories while the veterans are with us is absolutely important.
But there's still an opportunity when service members veterans have
passed for us to gather the documentary expression of their
first person experience through photographs, original letters, original photographs, diaries,
journals that come in all forms, you know, on the

(01:30:46):
back of food labels, on cigarette records. And I'd also
just like to say the other thing about the scope
for your listeners and for you. We are gathering as
a nation. It's been happening for twenty five years. Across
the country. People are doing exactly what you're talking about doing,

(01:31:07):
interviewing the veterans in their family. And veterans don't always
wear the hatch that said I'm a veteran, and veterans
can be and here I am veterans plaining for you.
But the veterans can be people who say, oh no,
my story is not important. My brother's story is important.

(01:31:27):
My brother served in X y or Z combat role.
But I'm here to tell you that the Veterans History
Project at the Library of Congress was intended by Congress
to share the full spectrum of US military service, which
includes in country, it includes stateside, it includes logistics, it
includes combat, it includes chaplains. It is to tell the

(01:31:50):
full spectrum of American service, of American sacrifice, and how
we are all connected to each other and that collective history.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Monica, when you first got involved with this project, did
you realize what you were getting yourself involved in.

Speaker 21 (01:32:06):
No, In fact, I did not. I spent my whole
year crying every day.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Well, and the yeah, there's probably lots of reasons to cry.
I get that, because you know, this is just incredible, because,
as you just outlined here, you get stories within a
story within a story, and these are all personal. These
are you know, these are issues that are sot I

(01:32:36):
guess so tender because they're the basis of our freedom.
They're the basis of why young kids to this day
will still raise their hand and volunteer to serve this
great country of ours.

Speaker 21 (01:32:52):
It's not just young kids. When veterans agree, we talk
about the volunteerism of the project, and we mean when
we talk about that, we mean that spirit of individuals
across the country working with the veterans in their lives
to gather the story. But the truth is the veterans
are once again raising their right hand. And so many

(01:33:14):
veterans tell me, they tell me they never put down
their writ hands.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Exactly that oath that we take an enlistment never expires.

Speaker 21 (01:33:27):
And so to get that extra mile to say, I,
as a veteran, am going to share my story, unmediated, raw,
without agenda, my personal narrative, not an after action report,
not something dry and for the history of books, but
truly my perspective and what it is I'm here to share,

(01:33:50):
not for not for anything that's going to advance me
as an individual, but to advance understanding, to advance connectivity,
to advance meaning, and that link between each conflict and
between individuals and our collective history. That's why veterans do it.

(01:34:14):
It is another patriotic act. If they're not raising their
hand again, they're sort of raising it a little higher,
if you will.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely, I think after everything is said
and done, Even though veterans as a rule are reticent,
you know, people will come up and say thank you
for your service, and I go, that's very kind of you.
But you know, we don't require anything more than that,
and we're not even requiring that. You know, it is

(01:34:42):
an honor to serve our country. We're proud of our service,
and it's a personal it's kind of a personal issue,
I think in many ways. And so what you're doing
here is bringing it out so other people can kind
of appreciate why patriotism is so rich in our country
and why it's so important. We've only got about a

(01:35:03):
minute and a half left here, Monica, and I just
want you to be able to explain, you know, what
else is happening in the twenty fifth anniversary and where
can people go for more information.

Speaker 21 (01:35:15):
Please join us in this twenty fifth anniversary year. Help
us get to one hundred and twenty five thousand collections
by the end of this twenty fifth year. You do
that by going to the Library of Congress website. That's
loc for Library of Congress dot gov, goov for government
forward slash vets, the e t S for Veterans LC

(01:35:37):
dot gov forward slash vets. There you'll find inspiration in
the existing one hundred and twenty eight thousand plus collections,
but also guidance, sample questions, a tip sheet for how
to use that recording device we call a phone that
we all keep in our pockets, right, and the tools

(01:35:59):
and information you need to make sure that you are
helping preserve this legacy of our nation's history together at
the Library of Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
Well, Monica Mahindra, thank you so much. Tell everybody involved
with the project, we just so appreciate what you're doing
on behalf of veterans and what you're doing on behalf
of the country because this again is a very proud
moment for the entirety of the country. So it goes
beyond the vets and they're family members and everything else,
because it is the basis of why freedom still rings

(01:36:32):
in America. Monica Mahindra, she's the director of Veterans History Project.
Thank you, Monica, Take care.

Speaker 21 (01:36:38):
Thanks Bill.

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Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Hey, we're back with you. Bill Martinez here along with
Jeremy mac Co, President of Numbers US. Say hey, Jeremy,
the weather outside is frightful.

Speaker 24 (01:40:52):
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Well, see, everybody always will walks taller, it seems when
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Right, You got to you gotta have a stiff back
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Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Well, that's there. It is. Well, let's talk about uh,
you know, what's what's on your mind and the topic
at hand. Are we talking Harry Reid here?

Speaker 24 (01:41:19):
Well, so you know, about thirty years ago, the late
Democrat Harry Reid stood on the House floor and gave
an impassioned speech about a policy that he said, no
sane country would would implement. And yet he said, here
we are the United States of America, one of only
two developed nations in the world who automatically give citizenship

(01:41:41):
to children whose parents are here illegally or here on
a tourist visa. This is this is again Democrat Harry Reid, right.
I mean, he backed off of that position over time.
But the big news last week is that the Supreme
Court has agreed to hear a case to determine whether
or not President Trump or any president and reverse that
policy numbers USA. We've been arguing for decades that this

(01:42:05):
is a misapplication of the Fourteenth Amendment, that it's basically
done by statute, and that the Congress and the President
could simply stop doing it. Other people say no, no, no,
you can't do it without a constitutional amendment.

Speaker 25 (01:42:19):
Well, the fact is the Supreme Court has never ruled
on it.

Speaker 24 (01:42:23):
It did rule on a case over one hundred years
ago that involved a child born to legal immigrants to
immigrants who were in the country legally, but never really
ruled on this. So we think we have a really
good chance on the merits of this case. But the
big news is it's taken decades to get to this point.
We may finally have a resolution on this issue.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
When you think of all that we're dealing with regarding
immigration as a result of Joe Biden's open border policy
and majorcas is incompetence as a borders are, you know,
you've got to really review this whole situation of immigration

(01:43:05):
to say, and of course, then on top of that,
let's let's talk about what the Somalis have been doing
up in Minnesota. You know, when you have people coming
into the country that really have very little interest in
assimilating and coming in to take advantage and to pillage
and steal, you know, you've got to be able to

(01:43:26):
vet it and protect the interest the national security of
the citizens of America, and the government clearly has failed
to do so. And birthright citizenship is only part of
the problem, but it's it's of the same garment, maybe
a different part of the garment, but still that same
mindset that has broken down and really has broken you know,

(01:43:50):
our immigration system.

Speaker 25 (01:43:52):
Well, unlike all things, the numbers really matter.

Speaker 24 (01:43:56):
When you have higher flows, birthright citizenship becomes an even
bigger problem.

Speaker 25 (01:44:00):
Under a let's say a normal year, you.

Speaker 24 (01:44:02):
Have five hundred thousand people crossing the border illegally, another
five hundred thousand people overstaying their visus. During the border
administer of the Biden administration, you know, you had, you had,
you had millions of people acrossing the border, entering the
country illegally, every single one of them if they have
a child born in the United States and child is
automatically given US citizenship. That makes it very difficult to

(01:44:26):
enforce the laws after the fact when you are trying
to deport people who are here illegally when they have
US citizen children.

Speaker 25 (01:44:35):
Yeah, and then they have people around the world.

Speaker 24 (01:44:38):
Sorry, Bill, we got finish it incentive to people around
the world to particularly now have a global birth tourism industry,
which exactly is that. That right there just tells you
that the whole system is half whack when people are
paying money to birth tourism agencies to come to the
United States, go to Disneyland and then have a baby
and have a US citizen child who then can one

(01:44:58):
day sponsor you for a card. It makes a mockery
of the entire system.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Yeah, it really does. I mean, we're getting work three
ways of Sunday. What I wanted to interject there was that,
you know, meanwhile, with these immigrants who are released in
the country and then they set a court date eight
years forward, well what do you think of you know,
child producing males and women in eight years of time,

(01:45:27):
how many kids can they produce? You know, two to three.
So now you got two to three additional immigrants now
in the country, their citizens or their parents are not
And then the Democrats, you know, go, oh, you can't
break up these families. Well, you know, I love what
John Kennedy said, Well, we're not interested in breaking up
the families. We're going to send the whole family back right.

Speaker 24 (01:45:49):
Right, And you know, and it's just goes to the
basic question of immigration policy, which is is it is
it a privilege or is it a right? The late
Barbara Jordan, another Democrat colleague if Perry Reads, at one
point said that the immigration is a privilege, it's not
a right, and we get to choose who comes here.
Birthright citizenship again makes a mockery of that system because,

(01:46:12):
to your point, you have an asylum seeker who is
here on a bogus asylum claim, which most of them are.

Speaker 25 (01:46:18):
Asylum system needs to be reformed as well.

Speaker 24 (01:46:20):
But the backlog is so long that they could be
here years before they see their court date.

Speaker 25 (01:46:24):
They will ultimately be rejected. But what do you do
in the meantime.

Speaker 24 (01:46:27):
They've had three kids and they're all US citizens, and
then they get lawyers saying you can't. You can't send
these kids home. They're US citizens. So it's another thing
that exacerbates all of the other problems in the system
and frankly makes it harder to come up with any
kind of system where you can make sense of it
because you've got so many people here with these mixed
status families, etc.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Right, And as you say, with the asylum seekers, the
government doing what it does best, and that is to
kick things down the road and just ignore the problem.
There's no review because they came here because their home
country was in danger. Okay, things settled down, Do they
go back no, they keep them here.

Speaker 25 (01:47:12):
Right, yeah, they stay here.

Speaker 24 (01:47:14):
I mean again, you have a system where the asylum
system is full of holes.

Speaker 25 (01:47:19):
It can be easily exploited.

Speaker 24 (01:47:21):
The Trump administration has locked that down right now, but
none of that is permanent because Congress hasn't acted. Same
thing with birthright citizenship. The executive branch has acted. The
judicial branch is now going to act. Congress needs to
act to actually make it last. But you get people
coming in on these asylum claims. They get let into
the country, they're not going to ultimately win, but they're
here for years, they have US citizen.

Speaker 25 (01:47:42):
Children, and then ultimately when they are denied.

Speaker 24 (01:47:44):
They continue to work illegally because we have no verification
system in the workplace. These are all things that really
Congress needs to solve. We applaud the executive branch. We
aplawed the Trump administration for taking action. For President Trump
fulfilled the campaign promise by making this a day one
executive orders blocked in the courts, But now it's going
to work its way up to the Supreme Court, and
we might have a ruling by next summer, which would

(01:48:06):
be again just a tremendous, huge, decades long battle.

Speaker 25 (01:48:10):
If we end up prevailing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Why isn't this bipartisan? I know that may sound like
a silly question, but I think you got you know,
citizens here in our country that are going, why are
we fighting over this? I mean, this just this defies
common sense.

Speaker 24 (01:48:28):
Yeah, two things, it's a really great question. First of all,
it's it is bipartisan in the sense of if you
look at voter attitudes, it's there's far more bipartisanship than
you would see on the national news or in Washington, DC.
But you're right, it's very much a partisan issue in
the halls of Congress.

Speaker 25 (01:48:44):
It didn't used to be that way.

Speaker 24 (01:48:45):
We started to segment by quoting Harry Reid, who was
you know, nobody is going to accuse of being a
naga or right wing conservative. I just mentioned Barbara Jordan,
She's a liberal icon. This didn't used to be this way.
Our immigration politics had been come more polarized, and ultimately
we have to continue to reach out across these barriers

(01:49:07):
and talk to people who disagree with us, because we
may find that we're fighting more because of the color
of our shirts as opposed to the actual policy.

Speaker 25 (01:49:15):
Whereas if you can.

Speaker 24 (01:49:16):
Get down to the nitty gritty policy. Most people would say, yeah,
it doesn't make it. If you're if you're a US
citizen and you adopt a child, that child isn't automatically
a US citizen. They have to go through a process.
But if you are, if you are here illegally and
you have a child, that child is automatically a US citizen.
I don't think it matters what letter is next to

(01:49:36):
your name in the voting booth. To understand that, to
basically agree that that isn't a system that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Well, you see. I think again, what needs to be
clearly articulated is a immigration system, which we had one before,
We had policy before, and then it got broken up
and bifurcated in order to accommodate one party over another.
It became a political issue as opposed to, in a

(01:50:05):
sense kind of a righteous issue that was good for
the immigrant, good for the citizens, that there was proper
vetting that people came here, even on an asylum basis,
they came here understanding that they were guests of the country.
You know that they didn't have I mean, they were
going to be respected as guests, but you weren't going
to have some kind of right in order to come

(01:50:26):
in and pillage the treasury.

Speaker 25 (01:50:29):
That's right.

Speaker 24 (01:50:30):
I mean, let's reiterate this just I think your listeners
will will probably be largely on the same page, although
maybe they'll fine us too moderate for their taste. But
most Americans like immigration. They like immigrants. We want an
immigration system that we can believe in. But that means
you've got to that the people you choose. You have
to choose, You have to let the American people choose.

(01:50:50):
You have to manage it in numbers that are sustainable,
they don't overwhelm the system. And you have to crack
down on rule breakers. You need, you need the right rules,
and then you need to enforce the that's it's basic credibility.
We're trying to restore trust in the immigration system. We're
not trying to destroy immigration. We're trying to save it
because right now you have too many Americans who very

(01:51:13):
justifiably do not trust the system at all. And that
is because it is full of holes. It is largely
rigged against them and their interests, their economic interests, the
interests of preserving a certain quality of life in their
communities and their natural environment.

Speaker 25 (01:51:29):
And they want a better system and it's really up
to Congress to act.

Speaker 24 (01:51:32):
That's what we're trying to get people to do, is
to continue to make that voice heard right here across
the street from me in Capitol Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Well, they want immigration to be a net positive, not
a net negative. And the drain it's putting on our
budget and we're thirty eight trillion dollars in counting in debt,
and whenever there's some kind of address to the waste
and fraud, all hell breaks loose. It's like, wait a minute,
you know, let's get back to what this is all about.

(01:52:00):
We're here to preserve this great American idea and the
people who are working hard to do that, not the
people that come here and just want to drain and
suck off the government teat right.

Speaker 24 (01:52:13):
Yeah, it's how many in which ones we using The
numbers should be a lot lower. And then we think
that there are you know, criteria that you can set
so that you're making sure that you're bringing in people
who are.

Speaker 25 (01:52:24):
Not just it's not just for the sake of the immigrants.

Speaker 24 (01:52:26):
Who're happy for the immigrants who come here, we want
to welcome them, but we want to be choosing people
based on what's in the national interests.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Right exactly, and are they of the mindset to where
they can assimilate. I mean, like, if you're bringing people
from a third world country that is used to killing
people in the street and stealing and doing all these
you know, crimes, and you bring them into our country,
what do you think you think you're going to take

(01:52:55):
Somalia out of the people just by bringing them here
without vetting them.

Speaker 24 (01:53:01):
Well, everything, for me, it all comes back to numbers.
Is a big difference between taking eighty thousand people and
eight thousand people.

Speaker 25 (01:53:07):
Give so much more ability.

Speaker 24 (01:53:09):
To go through the paperwork, to go through the personnel,
to look through people and see if they really do
meet that criteria if you manage the numbers.

Speaker 25 (01:53:17):
At a lower level.

Speaker 24 (01:53:18):
And that's ultimately where we've gotten off track. Where we
are quadruple the average number of immigrants that we take
in over the middle of the twentieth century versus today
quadruple over four hundred percent increase. And almost anywhere you
look in the immigration system when you find problems, whether
it's problems of vetting or problems of fraud or abuse,

(01:53:40):
it all goes back to it's just overwhelmed. We're just oh, yeah, exactly,
and we're not able to to manage the system properly.
We get the numbers down. I do believe that a
lot of the other stuff will work.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Out, Jeremy, because you look at the numbers. Is there
a an allowance? You know, a goal? I mean, what
is the capacity of our immigration system in terms of
handling immigrants? Do we have any idea?

Speaker 24 (01:54:08):
It's a terrific question and probably deserves its its own
segments take more than fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Well, I'll tell you what the next time. We're gonna
let our audience ponder on that and give you. We'll
give you a week to think about it and pull
up all the evidence and bring the receipts, and you
and I will break it down.

Speaker 25 (01:54:23):
Okay, that sounds that sounds fun. Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Let's okay that look forward to it. Jeremy Beck He
is the co president of Numbers USA. Thank you, Jeremy.
Merry Christmas to you, Mary, Christmas to you.

Speaker 25 (01:54:33):
Bill.

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