The Bill Martinez Show 12 16 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 16 25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Ill Martinas Live a program about current events, our culture,
our values, our politics, and our future.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
And now Bill Martinez.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Hey, good morning, Mary Christmas. Welcome. Good to have you
with us. Also great to have doctor John Lot with us.
He is the author of Gun Controlled miss Doctor John
also the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center. Good morning,
Merry Christmas, John, How are you?

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Merry Christmas? To you doing okay?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well? Sadly things to report and talk about, whether it's
Brown or what's happening in Australia again? Attack on Jews
there during the celebration of Honakahan.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah, no, well, I mean there's a similarity to both
of those. Both of those attacks occurred in places where
guns were banned. Rhode Island has fairly strict gun control laws.
The gun control groups put it as one of the
more restrictive places in the country, and the states that

(01:07):
surround it, Massachusetts and Connecticut, are even more restrictive. But
the problem is also Brown University bands people from being
able to go and have guns for protection there, and
you know, you just make it easy. You may actually
create magnets for these attacks to occur. These attackers may

(01:29):
be crazy in some sense, but they're not stupid. Their
goal is to kill as many people as possible and
to get media attention, and obviously that's a lot easier
if you go to a place where your victims can't
defend themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well, John, the knee jerk reaction from the left is, oh,
we got to take away guns. Well, in a sense,
you've already proven your theory there. You've taken away guns
and it's put the people at risk. Right, So how
does that comport with any kind of logic?

Speaker 5 (02:00):
You know, I don't know. I mean a lot of
people have this view that somehow the United States is
unique in terms of these mass public shootings. That's simply
not true. Where if you look at the twenty years
from nineteen ninety eight through twenty seventeen, the United States
doesn't even rank in the top sixty in terms of

(02:23):
per capita rates of mass public shootings.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know, so well, let me ask you this, John,
relevant to that number, how many countries in areas that
are contributing these numbers that are above us in terms
of mass shootings have restrictive gun control?

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:45):
A lot of them? Do? I mean?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Would you say the majority of them.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Oh yeah, I'd say the vast majority of them have
very restrictive gun control laws.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
So obviously it's not My point is it's not working.
That's what you and I continue to say.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Right, Yeah, no, I mean you're exactly right. And look,
if you just compare even just Western Europe in the
United States, and I were to go and ask you,
since let's say twenty ten, can you tell me the
places with the worst mass public shootings. My guess is

(03:21):
most people would know that the two worst were in Europe.
You have the one hundred and thirty people shot to
death in November twenty fifteen in Paris, France. You have
the sixty seven people that were shot to death in Norway.
But you know, France has extremely strict gun control laws.

(03:44):
You can't even own a semi automatic gun there. And
you know it takes a year, takes thousands of dollars
in fees to go and even get approved for the
bolt action rifle.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
That you can get a bolt action rifle against some
criminal who could care less about any laws and comes
in with semi automatic weapons with hundreds of rounds in magazines,
getting ready to you know, unload and keep keep putting
in another magazine.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Right, yeah, oh exactly, Yeah, this is.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
This is insane. And again I think you know, I
was just talking to somebody else about this, John, is
that you know people look at this and they say, well,
this is a human paradox. Well, it's a human paradox
only because you try to satisfy the problem with human understanding.
I mean, this is pretty this defies common sense.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
I mean, you've been understanding goes a long ways here.
You just have to read the diaries of manifestos for
these mass murders to know that they plan these attacks
time after time. They explain that they try to pick
places where guns are banned. You look at the men
Festo for the Minneapolis school shooter. He picked not only

(05:06):
the target because it was a gun for his zone,
but the time of day or he didn't want to
go in the morning when parents were dropping off kids
at school, or in the afternoon when they're picking them up,
because he was worried that there might be a parent
with a permittent concealed handgun.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
So you know, the media is really irresponsible on this.
The media goes and says, you know, they talk about
the manifesto or the diaries for these mass murders. And
in the Minneapolis case, the guy the media will say
he talked about other school shooters where he talked about

(05:43):
other mass public shooters, So that's true, But the reason
why he talked about them was what he could learn
from them, and what he learned from them was to
go and pick a place where his victims were defenseless.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Are these mass shooters given license in a way because
of the political rhetoric out there?

Speaker 7 (06:03):
John?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Is that contributing to what people are seeing as an
increase in gun violence?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, I mean, first of all, gun violences following this
year were probably on track for the lowest murder rate
ever recorded in US history. So but I'm sure a
lot of the rhetoric, you know, when they go and
they talk about things like assault weapons or AR fifteen's

(06:31):
or whatever. You know, these killers, and even though only
about fifteen percent of the mass public shootings involve any
type of rifle, when they do occur, particularly with something
like an air fifteen, it gets a lot of attention,
and I think that helps make it even higher than

(06:54):
it would be otherwise, because these killers then say, well,
you know, maybe that's what I need to get.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yeah, well, and some of it is that, you know,
we have targeting taking place against groups of people, whether
it's people of faith that you know, Jews. Right now,
it seems that you know, of course, we mentioned what
happened in Australia. I mean, this is during a Honkah
ceremony and they're they're gunned down father and son there.

(07:22):
I mean, it's just you know, so the perception is
is people are saying this as things are increasing, but
it's good to hear in one hand that they're not
necessarily increasing. Maybe it's just the media is talking about
it more.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, all I
can tell you is that the numbers show that we're
on track. Right now. The year is almost over. It
looks like we're going to have the lowest murder rate ever.
You know, it's and with violent crime looks. My guess
is we won't know until next September, but my guess
is violent crime for this year is down. And those

(07:56):
are both big changes from what was happening or in
the Biden administration. During the Biden administration, we had the
largest percentage increase in violent crime ever recorded over a
four year period, it went up fifty nine percent, and
you know that's much higher, about twice as high as

(08:16):
the previous four year increase that we had had, you know,
and this year, I think there's obvious reasons for the
drops and things like murder and crime you have.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
You would you credit the Trump administration with that, John Mostly.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Well, I think they had something to do with it.
I think the fact that you've moved federal agents out
of Washington, d C. The places where the crime is
has helped. The arrests by the FBI are double what
they had been last year. You know, those things help.

(08:54):
I think also the deportation of illegal aliens has helped.
They've concentrated primarily on criminals. But the thing is even
the criminals that they haven't caught have reduced crime by
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(09:15):
get taken to a local courthouse for arraignment, then there's
a reasonable chance that ICE will show up and deport them.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Exactly, So we got to go to quick break. Let's
pick it up on the other side. More from doctor
John Lott. After they stay with.

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Hey, we're back with you, Bill Martinez here with doctor
John Lott, the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center,
also the author of Gun Controlled. Miss John, I want
you to finish your thought. I'm sorry I had to
cut you off because we ran out of time there.
But as you said, these uh, these criminals are understanding,
especially now that the FED is stepping in, I mean
time and time again. Uh, they're making these these crimes

(14:29):
of federal crime and uh, you know, kind of taking
you know, local authorities out of it because they haven't
quite caught up with a memo yet, right.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Right, Well, I mean places like d C and Memphis
have shown that uh, federal involvement, Uh, that increased law
enforcement makes it riscue for criminals to commit crime. You
have less crime that's being committed. But what I was
talking about beforehand was just in terms of the deportation
if if alien gets arrested and gets a ring, there's

(15:03):
a good chance that they'll be deported. And so one
way to keep from being arrested is not to commit
any crimes right now and not to be on the
police radar. And so I think you've seen a reduction
in crime, both because you've deported a number of criminal
illegal aliens, but also because you've made it riskier for

(15:28):
the ones that you haven't even caught to go and
commit crime.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, John, you mentioned something, and I'll sell you this
is so underreported. I know Cash Mattel talked about, you know,
decentralizing you know, the FBI and law enforcement and to
get them out there on the front lines, and this
is hardly reported. But this has had a positive effect,
as you said, because you know they're now at the

(15:53):
ground level dealing with the problem face to face, unlike
when they were housed up in DC and kind of
in an ivory tower.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Right. Well, I mean, I think in most federal bureaucracies,
people gravitate to where the power is and where the
promotions are right, and so if they're in d C,
it's an easier career path up for them, But that's
not where the crimes are occurring. And so you know

(16:23):
the fact that they've doubled the number of arrests from
what it was in twenty twenty four in the year's
not even over yet. I think, you know, it just
shows you you know what you can do, and you
have to make it riskier for criminals to commit crime
in many different ways. Higher rest rates are part of it,

(16:43):
more prosecutions, and surely the US attorneys across the country
are more aggressive under Trump in terms of prosecuting criminals.
That was true under Biden. So you know, those things matter.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
John know this statement here, legally armed civilians were told
that they pose a major danger. They shoot innocent bystanders, justifiably,
kill others whenever they personally believe forces reasonably necessary, and
rely on racist self defense laws. Who told him that.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Unfortunately, The Wall Street Journal has had a series of
news stories on that. A week ago, on Monday, they
had a story about four cases over the last four
years where civilians carrying guns had accidentally shot a bystander

(17:38):
when they were using a gun in self defense. The
problem was, only two of those cases were really relevant
for the story that they were saying. In terms of
somebody who is permitted to carry in a public place.
But more importantly, there's like no perspective, there's like no
notion that those two or four cases over four years,

(18:04):
you know, ignore the fact that you have about one
point six million defensive gun uses each year, that you
have twenty one million concealed career permit holders in the
United States and twenty nine constitutional carry states where it's
not even necessary to carry, to have a permit to carry,
you know, the fraction. And we also went through and

(18:30):
looked at over the last decade. Basically, if you're talking
about people who are legally carrying in public, there's three
cases where a concealed care permit holder has accidentally shot
a bystander. By contrast, the number of times that police

(18:54):
accidentally shoot a bystander over that same period time is
at least seven times higher.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Though, I mean, think about that, John, That is an
incredible differential between somebody who is a civilian not necessarily
on the range on a continual basis or in these
kinds or used to being in these kind of situations
where you only have maybe three accidents, versus you know,

(19:20):
law enforcement who has been trained and supposedly conditioned to
be in these kind of situations where they have, you know,
a seven times higher occurrence.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, well, you got to look at these things. You know,
one accidental shooting by standard is one too many. But
you know, the alternative is at nirvana. You know, obviously,
if you don't allow individuals to go and defend themselves,

(19:53):
you're gonna have more crime that's going to be occurring.
You're gonna have more victims out there. You make it
riskier for criminals to make rhyme with higher rest rates,
higher conviction rates, longer prison sentences. Are allowing victims to
defend themselves. You take that away, you have more victims
of crime and so but you know, the alternative is
having even more police on the street. And they're not

(20:17):
perfect either. So it just I mean, both of these
when you talk about the number of instances involved over
four years or ten years, are both small compared to
the total number of times that it's necessary for them
to use guns. But it's still you know, it's still

(20:37):
a useful comparison, just to kind of make people clear
in their mind exactly.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Well, And the thing is, John, when you have particularly
these blue states that want to reduce law enforcement and
have done so. New York right now is talking again
about with their new mayor talking about doing this as well.
You know, when you think, you know, the people of
New York position is New York would be yelling and screaming, going,

(21:05):
look at it. We've gone down that road before. We've
followed that theory, and the results have not been very positive,
have they.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
No, you know again, it's it's not rocket science. You
have to have higher rest rates. So I mean, look
at what and police are important for that. Look at
what happened in d C. You had eighteen days in
a row without a single murder in DC when Trump
federalized the law enforcement there, when he moved in FBI

(21:36):
and DEA agents and others there, put the National Guard.
You know, you had many Democrats that were accusing Trump
of being racist for going and getting involved in law enforcement.

Speaker 15 (21:49):
In d C.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
But who do you think the victims of murders are?
Something like ninety six percent of the murder victims there
are blacks. So yeah, eighteen days with out a single murder,
Whose lives do you think you're saving over that period
of time? And so you know this notion of you know,
the bizarre thing to me is that so many of

(22:12):
these Democrats care about the race of the criminal, and
obviously they're disproportionately black, but who are the victims? Blacks
tend to commit crimes against other blacks. About ninety percent
of black murder victims were murdered by blacks that were there.

(22:33):
And so you know, why not care about the race
of the victim. If you're going to care about race
rather than the race of the criminal. These notions that
somehow we want to go and have criminals locked up
in jail so that race is proportional to their share
of the population. So if thirteen percent of the population's black,

(22:56):
you should only have thirteen percent of the prison population
that's black. If they're committing disproportionate crimes and you don't
punish them, guess what, you're gonna have more black victims out.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
There exactly exactly. You know, this Wall Street Journal piece
John that we're talking about, I mean it's a propaganda piece.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
I mean they have four of these pieces that they've
put out. This was just the latest and the pieces
that they have. I wrote letters to the editor for
the Wall Street Journal. They wouldn't take them, and so
I end up writing an op ed on it. Just
going through the different pieces that are there. But I
mean there's so many errors. I mean you mentioned one

(23:37):
when you're describing it. They basically seem to they basically
claimed that people could go and shoot somebody whenever they
think that they might be in danger. In some sense,
it is not the law. The law is is that
some objective third party would have to agree that the
person was in serious risk of death or serious injury.

(24:00):
Just in your own mind. You just can't see, well,
I felt I was at dangerous, so I shot somebody.
That's not the standard that's there. Uh, you know, they
basically parrot the gun control line there about standard ground
laws that you can just you know, shoot somebody whenever
you want to. Uh, And it's simply not the case.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
And it's not, it's not and it doesn't even happen
that way. I mean, it happens in gang line wars
and things like that. But I mean the everyday citizen
that they're supposedly trying to represent, they're they're just classic.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Very reticent to go and use guns defensively. It's you
look at you look at the behavior, and they basically
use it as a last resort, which is what they should.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Right exactly, Doctor John Lott, the president of the Crime
Prevention Research Center, also the author of Gun Control missed, John,
how can they be in touch with you and be
up to date with all the great things that you're writing.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Well, you go to our website at Crimeresearch dot org.
Crimeresearch dot org.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Thank you, John, take care of Merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
My Merry Christmas to you. Thank you very much.

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Hey, we're back with you.

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Bill Martinez here with doctor Wilfrid Riley, the Kentucky State
University professor. Hey, well, how are we doing?

Speaker 13 (28:50):
Doing well?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Doing well? Good to be back on the program.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
He always good to be talking to you. Hey, let's
talk about how the Republicans have kind of blocked themselves
in a corner with dealing with Obamacare, with this deadline
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(29:13):
come up with the problem, a solution the problem they created.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot here.

Speaker 20 (29:20):
So, first of all, one of the issues the parties face,
because if we're talking about this both as adult guys.
Is that when someone does something that's not ideal but
that works, very often the other team doesn't really want
to get rid of it. We've seen this with Republican
military spending bills. We've seen this with Republican developments of
the highway system. I honestly think we're seeing this with Obamacare.

(29:42):
We've seen this with Social Security. Both parties have grown
social Security. So the first question is is there actually
a GOP alternative in the works to Obamacare right now?
Because if not, we're going to have a lot of
negotiations and then we're just going to have a deal
somewhere along the way. I think that that's that's what's
lurking in the background. When something gets done by one

(30:04):
of the sides and it's reasonably popular with the American people,
you're often never going to get rid of it. And
I'm not saying resign yourself to Obamacare if your a
small business owner, but I really do think you need
to push Republican politicians to say what the alternative is
if you want there to be an alternative. So that's the
backstory here. Yeah, I mean the recent budget fight, the

(30:28):
shutdown was initiated basically by the Dems. Usually what happens
in these fights is that you're going to get something
like cars continuing appropriations resolution. Understanding is that's what they
did this time, and that's going to push the government
forward for two or three or four months, and then
at the end of that time you're going to have
to act like big boys again, and you know, figure

(30:48):
out what the underlying problem was. The government's been really
bad at figuring out what the underlying problem is during
the entire time. I've been a political science prof so
I actually teach a lass on this called legislative process
and the kind of last thing. But like in twenty eleven,
twenty twelve, the entire government was under some kind of
budget resolution. Their budget was set based on the twenty

(31:09):
ten budget. They've used cars eight times total. So you
at some point there are really core disagreements between the
left and right, between black and white representatives, between the
north and the south, about what the government even should
be doing, what the welfare budget of the USA should be,
And the question is is that resolvable?

Speaker 1 (31:28):
And I'm starting to have some questions.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
About that, yeah, because well, the deal is is you
have such divergent interest and their self interest. They're not
in the interest of the country. And that's the challenge
that you have when you have which George Washington warned about,
when you have sides, when you have you know, teams

(31:51):
playing against one another, and instead of really being able
to look at this in a unifying sense, because somebody
doesn't want to not get credit for coming up with
a solution, right, it's all about it's all about political
you know, political posturing as opposed to you know, coming

(32:12):
up with the right solution here. Because meanwhile, what you've
done is you've hijacked healthcare going back to the Obama years.
And what do you got to show for it. Bucus
even worse than Bucus. Bucus might be better than you
know what we got right now.

Speaker 20 (32:30):
Yeah, there are a lot of problems with Obamacare, I
mean national healthcare. One of the problems with national health
care is that it's a push pull issue where you're
never going to satisfy most people. I mean, I talked
to a British friend once and his comment was socialism
is tempting because it genuinely is better for a lot
of poor people, especially if they're lazy, which I thought
was a really blunt description. And the flip side of

(32:53):
that is that capitalism is better for almost everyone who's
middle class or wealthy. So, I mean, when you look
at healthcare, if you're low income, if you're a college
student or something like that, or recent immigrant to the country.
Under the traditional US model, unless you were badly injured
enough to go to an emergency room, you basically just
didn't have healthcare. You didn't go to the doctor all
that often. And what the brit pointed out is if

(33:15):
you go to England, everyone has fairly bad teeth, not
like minor beautiful, but like everyone's got all their teeth,
but they're like crinkly. They've got may one over here.
You know, it's jokes about the breads, but everyone has
their teeth, was his point. Everyone gets about the US
working class standard of health care in the USA. You
have people that have perfect veneers and you also have

(33:36):
some people that don't have all their teeth. And that
was the traditional model, like you'd go to the dentist
when you had money for the dentists. Obamacare did lift
the floor for healthcare, but it lifted the floor for
healthcare at enormous cost because it was done by the government.
The government is so big and clunky and efficient. So
for almost everyone else, including me, I was in a
graduate school by this time, you saw your premiums increase.

(33:59):
If you ran small business, it often became almost unsustainable.
So there were all these critiques of Obamacare that became immediate,
and they were leveled very rapidly. The thing is, I
haven't seen the GOP come up with an alternative, whether
that's healthcare exchanges, that's something like the faith based healthcare markets.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I haven't seen.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Home health savings. They've thrown out some ideas, but there
needs to be You're exactly right. See, this is the problem.
This is what's causing this to linger because the Republicans
have not come out with a solid plan, like as
if they didn't all. I mean, they've been fighting this
battle for what fifteen years now?

Speaker 20 (34:35):
Yeah, So to me, the Republican alternative to all this stuff,
including Social Security, by the way, would be private investment
where there's the same amount of money taken out of
your check and this applies to your poor as well.
Poor people pay what is it medicare, medicaid fiko, right,
but that's fifteen or twenty percent and you get that money.
Now there would be limit so much you can spend

(34:56):
it on, as there are with child support.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
So basically you take that.

Speaker 20 (34:59):
And you you use some of it if you need
emergency aid for something else, but you put that in
robinhood or whatever, and you yourself grow your wealth. And
I think again, almost everyone who's working middle class on
up would say that's dramatically better for me than the
social security system.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Right. But the problem. But the problem is is you
get people at the lower scale will and I heard
some politicians today and I just wanted to crash. I
was driving in the car. I almost went an embankment.
He goes, well, you know, these people can't take care
of themselves. Excuse me, you know, like that's our job.
I mean, like that's everybody else's job. Is that we

(35:37):
got to take care of the knuckleheads that don't want
to take care of themselves, so we continue to coddle
them and cripple them.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, this is kind of the issue.

Speaker 20 (35:47):
I mean, there's a famous tweet where a guy who's
like a project manager is ranting, we're all at the
mercy of the bottom twenty percent, Like my project's been
delayed for months because there's one homeless guy sleeping in
the building.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
And it just goes on and on, Like you go
to your kids in class are like dumb kids.

Speaker 20 (36:02):
One kid wants to start a fight, that schools shut
down for four hours. We're all at the mercy of
the bottom twenty percent. I mean, your girls get pregnant
in high school? Off it was your girlfriend even interested
in high school? Like, it just goes on and on.
It's like a page long rant. But look up bottom
twenty percent for anyone in the audience. But I mean,
I think that there's that's a that's a valid point.

(36:24):
And he's got like two tweets, one of them is
just shorter. It's like, we're all up in the mercy
of the bottom twenty percent. It's his rant condensed and
it really is funny. But at any rate, the question
is how you morally view that. I think we've often
gotten deep into ethics on this show. What the guy
is saying, the GOP politician is saying, and Republicans, if anything,
tend to be more ethical than the Burrows at some

(36:47):
level I think we all know is correct. So getting
to the point, if you give me thirty percent of
my income, back, which is, you know, it's probably the
high five figures, and you allow me to put that
in e trade or some gold or something like. Clearly,
I'm gonna make better returns on that than i am
on Social Security. Clearly, in twenty years, I'm gonna get
more than sixty three thousand dollars or whatever back on that.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
It's gonna be substantially, substantially Mars.

Speaker 20 (37:10):
The problem, though, is if you are a working poor
guy and you are prone to buy into scams like
they're gonna be whole crypto markets targeting that center of economy,
like all those crap coins you can buy in gas stations,
the pills behind the counter are gonna have crypto coins
like it's funny. But at the same time, the bottom

(37:32):
twenty five percent of people are gonna end up with
no savings at all. They're going to be growing vegetables
behind their houses, and the question is what do we
do about that? And I think historically the idea that
working poor families would be growing vegetables and would be
your son is now old enough to go, he's in
high school, he's working a job that wasn't really a

(37:52):
problem for anybody else, Like you might Dad might be
a Walmart greeter.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Mom would probably be at home by this time.

Speaker 20 (37:59):
But day, I think that we've grown used to the
idea that that is uncomfortable. So if the government privatized
social Security, this is the point, gave the money to everybody,
and twenty five percent of the people wasted the money.
The problem for men, even in the upper middle class,
would be gambling. Now that you have draft kings and
all that sort of stuff, what is an investment? Can
you invest in pro football?

Speaker 21 (38:21):
You know?

Speaker 20 (38:21):
Like if all these people the people, if a quarter
of the people throw the money away, which is the
usual projection, there's going to be a government program designed
to give them the money back. That's the issue with
the Republican privatization plan.

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Speaker 4 (43:13):
Hey, we're back with the fourteen minutes before the top
of the hour. Doctor Wilford Riley, the professor of political
science at Connectic State University, The other taboo Ten facts
you can't talk about in lies. My liberal teacher taught
me will as you're saying, I think at some point,
I mean, our constitution is designed for people who want
to take responsibility. I mean, that's the ethos of this.

(43:33):
If you don't want to take responsibility, and if there's
a government who is willing to go ahead, I mean,
and I guess leverage the assets of producing Americans in
order to take care of people, because you know, we're
all empathetic to a point. I mean, we're not going
to sit there and want somebody to you know, suffer.
I mean it breaks my heart every time I go

(43:55):
back to my home state of California and you know,
go driving back in the old areas where you know,
I used to work in downtown LA at the radio
stations there, and you see seventy what have they got
seventy thousand homeless people sleeping under the overpasses there. They're
drug aduled, and I mean it's really it is heartbreaking.

(44:18):
But the problem is is that see, we're looking at it.
We're looking at a situation that's been ignored for decades,
you know, and we didn't come up with a solution,
and we need to come up with a solution again,
going back to what you know, the early Pilgrims figured
out socialism didn't work. They said, hey, let's try to
know everybody will just all put it in there together.

(44:39):
And then you had human instinct being what it is,
you hat people that were lazy and said, hey, I
don't need to work and just feed me. And we
got eight women here, so we're going to have the
eight women do my clothes and everything else. Because they
got away with it for two years until finally, you know,
the rest of people said, hey, we're you know, somebody's
going to get killed here, so we better just give
everybody a farm, let them earn their way, and all

(45:00):
of a sudden, you know, the community started thriving. So
you know, that was our experimentation into socialism back then.
But we forget that, you know, we don't want to
remember that part of history to say, look at we've
we've tried it. It didn't work. It's stupid. It debases
and dehumanizes the individual, and we've got to find a
way to get that message across to these young kids

(45:22):
that look at you know, our life is very short, really,
you know, the Bible says seventy eighty years. If you're lucky,
you know, what do you want to do with that lifespan?
You know?

Speaker 20 (45:33):
Yeah, I think that there again, I think there's a deep,
almost moral problem here. Like anyone who's ever done like
an ecstatic version of prayer for that matter, one of
the psychedelics common in college has felt the sense of
no ego, like if I were this perfect person all
the time, I could make a better society.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
But the problem is there's also.

Speaker 20 (45:51):
A different you, which isn't bad either in the boxing
dram or hunting elk, which is very different and a
bit more predatory. You're not perfect and ego lists all
the time, and most people are, believe it or not,
less perfect and ego less perhaps than me or you.
And so when you set up society, you have basically

(46:11):
you can't imagine that your society is made up of angels.
You have to set it up as if it's made
up of people. And that's why communism doesn't work. It's
it's just pointless to say, well, if everyone were this
perfect being of pure light, this would be the best system.
Because people aren't, and that also has advantages. Like in
most religious traditions, the angels are jealous of the humans.
We can have, let's say, marriages. You know, we can

(46:33):
eat food, Like there are significant advantages to being.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Yeah, little do they know until the angels, if they
were allowed to get married, they'd go, oh my god,
what were we thinking?

Speaker 20 (46:43):
I mean, they're like they're big physical questions, but I mean,
like it's just there. The commination of what a matter
and energy I think is not a poor way to
exist as a being. We have to regulate some of
the animalistic aspects of that, but the overall framework is
a pretty positive one. Given the other two options, I mean,

(47:05):
and ghosts and demons, the theories about what the what
either extreme would be are interesting. We obviously see what
animals are, but at any rate communism yet it doesn't work.
And it gets back to what we're talking about here.
The question of civilized societies to some extent is how
much to give to the underperforming? Basically, I mean, like

(47:28):
when you're talking about la there are seventy thousand bums
in LA or whatever term we're supposed to use.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I mean, they're entire.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Era homeless people. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 20 (47:36):
Yeah, their entire areas of LA that are tent camps,
and it is I've always liked it as a city.
It is disturbing to see they have no problem taking
those Americans and putting them in small houses and giving
them at very least the basics that we give to

(47:57):
people in our welfare at tenements, food and so on,
a call that'll allow you to purchase warmth and meet
The issue tends to be this is the same as
the issue with the people taking the Social Security money
and spending it on drugs. The issue tends to be
that without the kind of strict rules that we used
to have in the past, you can't just give non

(48:18):
functional people liberty, Like you can't take a homeless guy
and also say here's ten thousand dollars for a quarter
of the year and an EBT card, because it's very
obvious what's going to happen. Right, So traditionally what we
used to do with homeless people is here's a shelter
with very strict rules that were incredibly invasive, like you
have to do this amount of religious practice, no homosexuality,

(48:41):
probably no sexuality, and wear clean clothes in a shower
is the seven to.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Fifteen in the morning.

Speaker 20 (48:47):
And what happened was that fifty sixty percent of people
got out of those shelters and just became normal citizens.
The breaking experiences you could otherwise have simply weren't allowed.
You just went out and got a job as a
bricklayer or something, joined the year union and became normal.
Now we've essentially banned that process of conversion. In fact,
we use the term conversion therapy in this setting and

(49:09):
a bunch of others entirely negatively, like you should never
change someone from their current state. So it becomes very difficult,
and basically I don't think we can continue this long term,
Like I don't think you can have the combination of
almost total freedom, like hey, there's a rave down the
street with a welfare state, i e. Other people have
to give you some percentage of their money the last thing.

(49:31):
But Saudi Arabia actually it implemented a new vices policy,
and their policy is pretty much, if you can afford
the thing, and if you don't get in any trouble
at all, you can do whatever you want, Like alcohol
is legal in the Kingdom. Now the drug KRATM is
legal in the Kingdom. There are party houses in the Kingdom.

(49:52):
But the two catches are one you have to make
I think it's fifty thousand dollars a year. You don't
want just ordinary guys spending money that their wives don't
have on this stuff. And too like if you get
caught the first time, they're not going to beat your
throwy in jail, but you're getting this warning from the
cake like this can't happen again.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
So those those are the two caveats.

Speaker 20 (50:10):
Like, as long as that you can party, given those
two things, I think that's quite healthy.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, well, you know bound boundaries clearly. I mean we
try to live with boundaries, I mean regardless, you know,
self imposed or otherwise. But it's interesting, like you said,
you know, previously where they would bring homeless people into
a program, what they're finding out now is that many
of them they don't want the structure. So you know,

(50:35):
now you only got about five percent. I think there
was five percent of the people that were coming in
would actually stay there and put up with you know,
they'd much rather be out in the fields and do
whatever and do as they darn well please, and they've
been able to. And what I'm what I'm I guess
I'm concerned with is that we're so far down the road.
And I hate to use this term, but it's almost

(50:55):
like some of these people are irredeemable will and I
gif you just your losses or I mean, and that's
hard to say that you're talking about a fellow human
being that you're going to just say, hey, look at
you know, you just you want to be a drug addict.
You want to you know, we're gonna, I don't know,
courting you off somewhere. We're going to send you to
Australia or something.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I mean, I think a lot of societies would just
chill you.

Speaker 20 (51:18):
I mean, it's hard to advocate that undercurrent conditions, you know.
But like my before getting to that point, because I mean,
I suppose as a medieval leader, I'd be fully capable
of just saying, you know, line up some crosses by
the road if we have this level of sexcrib and
so on. But before getting to that point, I would
simply reinstate the rules that make functionality possible. And actually,
I think that's the level we would get to before

(51:38):
anything else. I mean, when you see we're blowing.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Home, so I hope so, but you got to get
all these coddlers out of the way, because look look
at what you've done. You have raised a dependent class.
I mean we're talking generations now, will and again. And
for me, I think I'm a little like Charlie Kirk
in a sense that I think about their humanity as
an individual in the time here spent on earth. You know,

(52:03):
you want it to be the best version of yourself,
and hopefully you have some kind of legacy in a
family that you've you know, you've you've passed the baton
onto to continue this great American experiment.

Speaker 20 (52:17):
I mean I think that, first of all, I mean
the second point is just accurate.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
The I think that the people that would try.

Speaker 20 (52:24):
To block this are less powerful than you would probably think.
In terms of people in the elite left, I mean
that that's like one or two percent of society. The
people think men can be women and so on, and
do you hate to describe it in just totally ruthless terms,
but in terms of people who are Hulbos, for example,
they don't have a great deal of political power, like
they'll do whatever the people who are currently in charge

(52:47):
of society say at some level, I think before we
get into any kind of real abuses on the right,
we would simply say we're reinstating.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Some of these old rules.

Speaker 20 (52:58):
If you're homeless, we have a vagrancy policy in the city,
So you're going to go to this shelter.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I mean, you talk with the churches and women's organizations,
the zone.

Speaker 20 (53:05):
And time, you'd set up twenty of them that actually
work on like the warehouses we have now, and.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
You're gonna be there. We're going to throw you in
the county jail where nobody wants to be.

Speaker 20 (53:14):
And I think you'd suddenly see a massive decrease in
outdoor camping or whatever. And this has been tried dozens
of times. I mean, Eric Adams in New York is
actually a pretty good mayor, did this. And the first
thing that Mamdani is doing when he entered office is
removing that policy so you can again live outside. So

(53:34):
kind of showing a weird, a weird sense almost of
reverse priorities there, we're starting with the most marginalized people
would be the way he'd probably describe it. But anyway,
I mean, I think we can return toward normalcy. I
think the vast majority of people want to an illustration
of that that's become very controversial, but only on Twitter

(53:55):
is the Trump administration blowing up the drug boats where
you have this weird illustration. And I have no idea
whether this is very technically illegal under international law. I
know that double tap strikes on land clearly aren't. Like
there's no rule that if you're attacking a Taliban base
in northern Afghanistan, if the first drone flies over and

(54:15):
wounds twelve guys, you then have to stop attacking because
your enemies are wounded. But I don't know if there's
some weird coodhicol for pirates or something like that. But
I also don't care, and I don't think anybody does.
I mean, there are one hundred thousand fentanyl and cocaine
overdoses last year, so it seems like a normal government policy.
Like if the helicopter flies over once, or you're flying

(54:36):
the black flag, you don't have a national flag on
your boat. You got fifty oil drums on your boat,
you know you're a danger boat. Keeps moving a missile
hit set. I mean, I think that you see this
shrieking from certain people like my god, the poor narco traffickers.
And I think the ordinary person is just looking at
this like, well, of course the government's going to blow
up international dope dealers if there were an X number

(54:56):
of miles of our waters. Like, what are you even
talking about? What does the government do? I mean, take
your money.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
You don't want those people and those politicians executing a
war plan will because they don't even know who the
enemy is. I mean, they're just so confused. It's crazy.
We got to leave it there. But you know, we're
going to talk about that the next time we get together.
We need to get into that a little bit more.
He's a professor of political science at Kentucky State University,
author of Taboo. Ten Facts you can't talk about but

(55:24):
we do here and Live's my liberal teacher taught me,
Doctor Wilfrid Riley, Thank you will take care Merry Christmas
to here, Oh.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Merry Christmas.

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Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Welcome morning, and welcome Bill Martinez here. Good to have
you with us. Also, we've got doctor guild Carl joining us.
She's the spokesperson for the International Council of Men and Boys,
author of Real Men Don't Go Woke, the book they
would not publish the truth that must be told. Uh,
Doc Carl, I gotta tell you, our old show is

(57:06):
premised on pursuing the truth no matter where it leads.
And I love the fact that you say it is
the truth that must be told because the truth has
been squelched for a number of decades, and voices like
yours are so critical right now to really, I guess
we calibrate our mindset here in America because Americans have

(57:28):
been so gas lit and led to that up is
down and down is up?

Speaker 27 (57:32):
Right now, well, look what happened to New York exactly.
We have we have a new mayor who's a socialist
here in the United States of America based on capitalism,
and then we have this Yes, so watch out, everybody.
There's a lot of trickery going on and false narratives

(57:55):
that you are going to be hearing.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Well, we've been forced, We've had deception for a number
of decades, and so we've been kind of conditioned for
this particular moment. It just didn't happen overnight. It's been piecemeal.
And then here we are. We're open to or these
young kids, especially in New Yorkers. I mean, of all
things if you'd have told me New York would fold

(58:19):
like this, I thought never in a million years.

Speaker 27 (58:22):
Right, Well, it's not so much the young men, it's
more the young women. Yes, and that's the shock of
all shocks. And that's why I am so grateful to
be the spokesperson, the female spokesperson for the International Council
for Men and Boys, because I am an anomaly. You

(58:44):
would expect a man to be defending men and boys,
but this has so affected women and girls as well
that somebody had to stand up. And since I wrote
real men don't go woke, they grabbed me and they said,
please come and be our spokesperson. So what you're saying
is absolutely the truth.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Well, our friend, doctor Warren Ferrell, you.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
May know I love him.

Speaker 27 (59:09):
Yeah, he's my friend.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
He's such a dear man. You know, when he was
so involved with the women's movement, he woke up one
day and said, Gosh, I'm doing all this stuff for girls,
but who are my girls going to marry?

Speaker 27 (59:22):
Right to your point exactly.

Speaker 13 (59:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (59:25):
We have been on the phone a lot, Warren and I,
and it all boils down to the same problem. First
of all, we have men in crisis right now. And
that's what my book is all about. Not only are
they in crisis, but they're so far gone that they
are taking their own lives. Male suicides are four times

(59:46):
greater than those of women. Then you combine that with
the decreasing testosterone, the thinning of the y chromosome I mean,
which will make men disappear off the face of the
earth eventually. The fact is also that they're going through
depression and loneliness, and there is nobody around to help men.

Speaker 28 (01:00:09):
We hear, we have been hearing for years and years
and years that women are in trouble. We want our
women to be to have equal rights.

Speaker 27 (01:00:21):
Not only have they had, have we had as women
equal rights. But now what I have uncovered is such
meanness on the parts of females toward men that it's
amazing as to what is happening today. We hear females

(01:00:46):
denigrating men. We hear female mothers talking poorly about male children.
I did a book signing for real Men Don't Go
Woke in Scottsdale, a well to do area. This is
where I live, and everybody you know. My book signings
you usually get ten people, twenty people if you're lucky, well,

(01:01:11):
we had a mob scene. Men and women had attended.
They had to open the doors so that people could
stand outside and hear what I had to say. It
was a madhouse, and all my books had sold out.
There is such a thirst. And what I was saying
was male suicide rates have skyrocketed, but it's crawling down

(01:01:37):
to our boys now as well. And I said, it
goes as low as ten year old boys committing suicide.
And you say, what does a ten year old boy
have to commit suicide about? But we all went home,
we all had the books. Everybody had a lovely time.

(01:02:00):
A phone call the next day from a woman. She said,
my best friend, her son, he was all of thirteen
years old. He was found hanging in his home. This
is in Scottsdale, well to do area where people are
highly educated. There's no excuse for this. I'm sorry. There

(01:02:23):
is no excuse for this anywhere in any civilized nation.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Yeah, you know, doctor Carl, you know the encouraging aspect
of all this. Yes, this is happening, This is real
because of these outside influences in our culture. The fact
is we've all been designed with a specific identity, so
we're not looking for some you know, incredible miracle to occur,
some quantum leap. It's just boys discovering themselves that they are.

(01:02:53):
You know, they're there for the adventure, enjoying life, being active.
And even for the young girls, they need to realize
not to surrender their beauty because in this process of
becoming mean, they lose their beauty, don't they.

Speaker 27 (01:03:10):
Oh, oh boy, you have just opened a can of
word for me. Oh, I could talk about this four years,
go on and on and on about this. I wrote
a book, this is my nineteenth book, and it was
I don't know how. For years and years the top
publishers had told me, you must not write self help

(01:03:30):
for women.

Speaker 29 (01:03:32):
For men.

Speaker 27 (01:03:33):
Only women read these things. And I said, but I
have a book that is for men's health. That's all.
I'm concentrating on men's health. And what I have seen
and all the research this is heavily researched, this book,
and all that I have seen is suggesting that men's
health is not doing well. And they, the publisher said no.

(01:03:54):
But then when I handed the manuscript to a very
high powerful publicist to get this thing agented and sold
to the big publishers with whom I have had books
published in the past, and I was told they will

(01:04:14):
not publish an anti woke book bill. I had this
book with a different title. As soon as I heard that,
I said, well, screw that, I am putting woke in
the title and they can come after me now directly,
because I'm not kidding around mannering crisis and they're gonna
have to hear this. And if it's from a woman,

(01:04:36):
it's that much more potent because we are the recipients
of what's happening as we interact with our men. So
that's what I did. I took total control of this
book and it's doing very well. Newsmax called it a
rising bestseller twice already.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yes, well, you know you are are bringing some fresh
air to a demographic that has been longing for oxygen.
They have been suffocated by the culture and the mean
media and all that's going on. And we've got to
go to break here, doctor guild Carl, and so I

(01:05:18):
want to go back and maybe consider the genesis of
what brought us to this place right now where you know,
boyser I mean the suicide rate, I mean, I'm I'm
I know this suicide rate was up, but I didn't
realize there was so high.

Speaker 27 (01:05:33):
It's terrifying. And even President Trump quoted that statistics. That's statistic.
I had sent him a copy of the book, so
maybe he got her from here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Well good. Anyways, stay with us. We got more from
doctor Carl right after this.

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Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Back with you nineteen minutes after the top of the hour.
Right now. She's a spokesperson for the International Council of
Men and Boys. Yes she you heard me right, author
of Real Men Don't go Woke the book. They would
not publish the truth and must be told. Doctor giddl.
Carl is with us. Doctor Carl, let's talk about how
we got here. I mean, because you look back and gosh,

(01:10:43):
when we were growing up it was father knows best.
There was a lot of affirmation about the male figure
in the family orientation, and then all of a sudden,
you know, seventies eighties come in and there was a direct,
you know, full throttle attack on men.

Speaker 27 (01:11:02):
Yes, well, We saw Father knows best as we were
growing up, and we watched this take place while women
were in the shadows, yet doing everything to support everything
so that so that this could work well. Women were thinking, well, wow,

(01:11:25):
I don't want to be in the shadows anymore, and
so they started to organize and they started to speak up.
But what has happened is is that some of these women,
many of these women, have grown like monsters, thinking that
they should replace the men who were cruel and impossible

(01:11:51):
to deal with in the past. Suddenly the women have
taken their place. Now today men are waking up out
their door and being called toxic for just being a man.
And one man from Belgium got in touch with me
after he saw my book and he said, yeah, I
know I'm a man, but now all this toxicity, I

(01:12:14):
am sick of it. I can't deal with this anymore,
and I am now declaring myself non binary. That's not
an answer, yea, nor is the answer. Because I speak
to TikTok guys. I speak to guys on TikTok, so
that's man on the street. They are talking to me.
These guys wouldn't talk to anybody. They are talking to me.

(01:12:35):
Many of them have camouflaged identities Zoro one, two three.
I can't talk to you, know, but they are saying,
we are pissed off, we are angry. We have had enough.
We've lost our children in court custody cases. We have
fought to see our children more than once every two weekends.

(01:12:58):
We are fighting and fighting and fighting, and now we
can't even afford to start another family because we are
paying through the nose. We know these men, we have
spoken to these men, and this is where it's at.

Speaker 21 (01:13:14):
Now.

Speaker 27 (01:13:14):
Women have taken over the place of the toxicity, and
now we're dealing with toxic women.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
So this is all part of the evolution of the
great feminization of our of our society, and which you
say is leading the social collapse, which it looks like
the strongholds and the pillars that held up our society
are all compromised right now.

Speaker 27 (01:13:38):
I'm afraid so, Bill, I'm afraid so. And that's why
it's all that much more important for me to get
out there and talk talk, talk about what this is
doing to all of us. Women come to me. I
come to my website doctor Gilda dot com, d R
g I L d A dot com you will see

(01:13:59):
how men and women have spoken about what is going on,
what is happening, why we have come to this point,
and what we must do. And you will see the
men who are just falling apart, committing suicide, wanting to
commit suicide, thinking there is no hope for them. Right,

(01:14:22):
we can't leave.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Men like this, Yeah, Dodgor Carl. You know some people
would say in a in a kind of I don't know,
cynical sort of way, that, oh, it's all about sex.
That's what some people tell me, Bill, It's just all
about sex. I go, you have no idea.

Speaker 27 (01:14:37):
It's not what sex you mean the act of sex.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Yeah, I'm no, I'm talking about I'm talking about the
act of sex because because that's what's happened, you know,
been men have been reduced to an act instead of no,
you know what it.

Speaker 27 (01:14:53):
Was an act of sex that was that they were
held responsible for. Was that Harvey Weinstein's pe and the
men that I mentioned in the book, those are the
real toxic males. The males who get up in the
morning and try to support their families are certainly not toxic.
And you know in the book I talk about there's
going to be a little toxicity. It's going to be

(01:15:14):
a little vulnerability. And vulnerable is a word men have
got to get into their vocabulary because to be vulnerable
means that you are emotional and caring. You cannot cut
that off.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Yes, well, it's part of our personage and our humanity.
And you know, we were told, you know, and I get,
you know, we're growing up. You know, big boys don't
cry and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 27 (01:15:38):
I get heart attacks right right, right, But.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
I believe we're past that. But what you are bringing again,
is that oxygen that men have needed. I think it's
that same type of oxygen that Charlie Kirk brought to
the college campuses. I know, and I mean, you know,
And the thing I observed, Doc carl is that in
looking on the faces of these young people when Charlie
would speak the truth to them, you could see the

(01:16:01):
lights going on and they were thinking, you know what.
I thought, maybe that was the way it was, but
I had been convinced it was something else. Right.

Speaker 27 (01:16:09):
They can't be convinced. They can't be convinced. I was
just channel surfing one day, just mindlessly, and I came
across a movie I don't know which movie it is.
I didn't watch the movie. I didn't care to watch
any more. In the movie, but there's there are two
college kids talking, one male, one female. The male college
kid is being harassed by his friends. They're teasing him there,

(01:16:31):
they're talking down to him that She says to him,
why don't you stand up for yourself? And he said,
because when I do, my girlfriend calls me toxic. That's
what's going on now. Men are fearful of the names
being called to them by females who are putting these

(01:16:55):
men down. Ladies, ladies who are coming to me for advice,
men who were coming to me for advice. First of all,
women have got to provide a safe space where men
can speak up and not be castigated and castrated because
they voice their opinion. Second of all, men have got

(01:17:17):
to grow a spine. Whether a woman cares about what
they say or not, they have got to stand up
and talk their truth because if they don't have that,
they will internalize that, and that's what starts to fester
until finally they can't take it anymore. Like a warm
bottle of champagne, the cork pops and they commit suicide.

(01:17:39):
This has got to stop.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
Well, and how does that build a strong society or
a strong family.

Speaker 27 (01:17:45):
Well, it doesn't, right, It destroys a society. Yeah, and
the women say they don't want these mamsy pamsy guys.
And yet they're saying they don't want a guy who
stands up for himself. Why not? Late, are you intimidated
by that? I'm speaking my truth and I am telling
them right out, this is no role model to create

(01:18:10):
for your children.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Well, what's the ideal? I mean, you know, And that's
that's what I would start with, saying, you know, what
is the ideal? And as you said, you know, the
couple should compliment one another, not compete with one another,
but fulfill and be that, you know, be that strength
against their weakness, because we all have strengths and weaknesses, right, we.

Speaker 27 (01:18:33):
All do, and compliment versus compete against. Yes, it is
an extremely important concept for men to understand. A woman
is not there to compete. A man said to me
from the far left, he said, aren't you upset with
the glass ceiling? I said, I have never met a

(01:18:54):
glass ceiling. I have done my own thing, I have
spoken my mind, gotten into trouble with the people. But
that's part of the whole thing. And I accept that.
But if I have to go to sleep at night
not being able to identify who I am because I
did not speak my truth, that I am being a
fraud and somebody I'm a relationship strategist. I've gone into

(01:19:18):
Wall Street firms. I've done Wall Street to Main Street
firms to up and heal the bottom line. And whenever
there's a problem in the bottom line, there is always
a problem with some kind of interpersonal relationship going on
in that environment. And so I have taken apart what's
going on, created peace and and had bottom lines sore.

(01:19:44):
And one building on Wall Street, fifty five Wall Street,
I was in this one company, and I was in
one division, and they and other divisions heard about how
I had made such changes, and they asked me to
come to their division, and another one and another one,
And so I was servicing the entire building with my techniques.

(01:20:08):
And they were not what look I teach MBA courses.
I know what's in the textbooks. They were not a textbook.
They were real world information giving and people loved it.
The bottom line sword and I do that for personal
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(01:20:31):
your truth from the equation, you might as well open
a casket and jump in.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Here you go, doctor Gilda Carl, I look forward to
having you back the fun. I appreciate this time. She
spoke person for the International Council of Men and Boys,
author of Real Men Don't Go Woke. How can they
be in touch with you, doctor Carl?

Speaker 27 (01:20:51):
Oh, First of all, you can buy my book on Amazon,
Real Men Don't Go both that Real Men Don't Go Woke.
The book is doing sensationally well. And also come to
my website doctor Gilder dot com, Drgilda dot com and
look at what the things that I'm doing are all about.
I'm making some major inroads.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
Doctor Gilda. You are awesome. Thank you so much for
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Hey, good morning, Marek Christmin. It's great to have you
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one and all that Jeff Camp, the Ministry Leader, speaker, author,
a former nfl QB. Hey, Jeff, good morning to you.
How are you good?

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You flattered me with the one and only, But of
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one and only, unique made in his image designed in
our mom's womb. So thanks for the kind introduction, but
we say that right back to everyone listening to us.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
Don't we exactly Thank God you picked up on that,
you know, because you're exactly right, because you and I
have done many many I know what I want to say.
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(01:25:40):
God and that our identity comes from God, not from
somebody who waits at birth and assigns some sort of
identity or gender. I mean, Jeff, it's just so insane
right now. It's like everything has become a paradox because
so many people, sadly have decided to disengage from the truth.
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(01:26:03):
and then you wonder, you go, Okay, what's right, what's left?
And then you get up into this and you go
and then you just kind of surrender and you say, well,
it's all a paradox. No, it's not. God did not
design is for a paradox. The paradox should tell us
that we're off track, right.

Speaker 31 (01:26:21):
Well, I mean, humanity has that many different ways of
going off track. And this recent era of kind of
pass the Enlightenment into the information age and then all
of the modern philosophy of humanism has basically been saying,
you know what, I think humanity can perfect itself. And

(01:26:41):
there's a pride and arrogance to that that forgets that
humanity was made by God right, And if you want
to do that, you have to deny truth. You have
to deny reality. Because when we run the show ourselves,
we mess up. We're prideful, we're arrogant, we're selfish, we
put our interests ahead of others.

Speaker 21 (01:27:00):
The evil that we are capable of.

Speaker 31 (01:27:03):
Is the same that caused the very first two human
beings born on this earth, Cain and Abel. You know,
Caine was jealous and he killed his brother. Look look
at the Holocaust, look at the anti semitism, look at
the discrimination and racism, Look at just the greed based
approach that people have. Look at the stupid arguments in

(01:27:24):
marriage where you don't put your wife first or your
husband first, and actually apologize.

Speaker 21 (01:27:28):
We want to define our own truth. And like you said,
it's gone.

Speaker 31 (01:27:31):
Way too far now to where we think humans can
define personhood and identity and humanity versus the God who
created us. Even Einstein, he said, this is also complex.
Everything I've understood, everything I've discovered, it must be designed
by a creator.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Yeah. More people when they get to that point in
their life and they realize, you know, how educated they
may be and how much they've learned, realize in that
understanding that they're so much more yet to be discovered.
You know, for some people who are going to hear
some will not be able to see where you're at
right now. But in the background are all these rocks

(01:28:12):
and these boulders and everything that are right behind. Jeff.
And as you were talking about the arrogancy and man's
desire to rise above God, what came to mind and
looking at the rocks is it's the Tower of Babyl
all over again. Right. We just want to build our
own Towers of Babel to somehow, just like Satan who
wanted to elevate himself above God. And it's ludicrous.

Speaker 31 (01:28:38):
Glory is a wonderful thing, but it's kind of like fire.
It's very dangerous, and glory is intended for God alone.
The chief end of man is to give God glory
and to enjoy him in relationship.

Speaker 21 (01:28:52):
Now, to relate to the being who.

Speaker 31 (01:28:54):
Made you would mean that you submit to that being,
and your happiness and your joy and your satisfaction comes
from that being and his acceptance, his grace, his goodness.
Other than that, everything we try doesn't satisfy it. You know,
Mick Jagger was right sixty years ago when he wrote,
I can't get no satisfaction. You know, Bono said, I

(01:29:17):
still haven't found what I'm looking for. He was speaking
of the human condition. We look for satisfaction. We look for.

Speaker 21 (01:29:25):
Ultimate things and temporal things.

Speaker 31 (01:29:28):
And temporal things of a beautiful day, a sunrise, a sunset,
the joy of playing a great game of tennis, woodworking
and crafting and making some beautiful product, coming together as
a team, as we saw some NFL teams and college
teams do, and have the thrill of victory, the beauty

(01:29:48):
of music or art, or the amazingness of a baby
being born.

Speaker 21 (01:29:52):
All those are signposts.

Speaker 31 (01:29:55):
Pointing to the only ultimate satisfaction, which is God.

Speaker 21 (01:30:00):
Enjoy what God gives us.

Speaker 31 (01:30:02):
You know, the breath you have today, the life you
have today, the family, the friends, the job, the opportunities,
the beauty outside of you as signposts to the fact
that God gave these and He is the one who satisfies,
and we'll be with him in perfection someday. That'll straighten
things out quite a bit, so a doubt that it's really,

(01:30:22):
I think, a great time to say, I receive God
as my greatest gifts, which can make me appreciate human
gifts without overdoing how much I need them to feel
okay about myself.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
Exactly what I appreciated my recent devotions Jeff was the
idea that we should approach God as beggars, and I
know that might stop people for a moment. It stopped me,
I think as a beggar, and it was that you
come in with such humility that you understand that you're
unworthy to receive the gifts that God has ready for us.

(01:30:55):
But he also has you talk about receiving. I mean,
what He has for us is beyond what we might
want right now. And the devotion was saying, don't just
stop there, keep begging, because God has an endless amount
of grace and blessings to give to us. But sometimes

(01:31:17):
we come in with this, you know, kind of a
beggary mindset and we're just happy for crumbs, and God says, no,
I got more than you know. Forget the crumbs, man,
I want you here at the table with me. Look
at this table. That's so bountiful, and it's endless right.

Speaker 31 (01:31:30):
Endless in time, right, and also infinitely better than what
earth can be. Everything good on earth now will be
recreated to be even better, and everything bad and all
that is sad, all this falling short will be corrected.

Speaker 21 (01:31:46):
There won't be any more tears.

Speaker 31 (01:31:48):
When we do something successful, we won't take pride in
it and divide ourselves from others and say I'm better
than them. You know, when something goes bad, we won't say,
oh I stink, I'm bad, I'm worthless. It's going to
be beautiful forever and ever. And you said God has
gifts of the soul as well as physical gifts. But
today we're just looking for physical, short term gifts that

(01:32:10):
distract us from the relational gifts of grace, unconditional, initiated
sacrificial love. A father who would give his son Jesus
so that we who could never earn our way to
heaven can be adopted as sons and daughters, as heirs
of this kingdom.

Speaker 21 (01:32:28):
That you and are trying to describe.

Speaker 31 (01:32:30):
And of course John in the Book of Revelation and
others in the Bible tried to describe it. But it's
indescribable because God is indescribable. So we just thank Him
and grace and gratitude as beggars, grateful beggars.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
As you said, Amen, Well, here we are. We're in
the third week of Advent, looking forward to the fourth week. Okay,
So we've had hope, we've had peace, and now this
is the week of joy. So that's the focus this week.
You look at all those things that you can be
joyful for as we come in prep ration to receive
God's greatest gift to us, his son, on Christmas morning.

(01:33:06):
And of course that fourth week will be uh, will
be love because that is really I mean again, how
do you describe God's love? Jeff? Like you said, it's
beyond our human comprehension. Uh, you know with C. S.
Lewis says he defines it as ineffable, it's beyond awesome,
you know.

Speaker 31 (01:33:25):
Yeah, Well, this being this being the week of joy,
and that maybe practically speaking, you and I are saying
that we're joyful because of God's love. We're joyful because
he gives us forgiveness. We're joyful because he gives us
breath and life. I want to go home and write
in my journal what am I joyful because? And God's forgiveness,

(01:33:48):
his kindness, my children, my grandchildren, the.

Speaker 21 (01:33:52):
Beauty of creation.

Speaker 31 (01:33:55):
I was, you know, I was just reminded today working
out at the gym that my body works not so well,
you know, but hey, not so well. That I could
be a Philip Rivers and go back to the NFL
like that Grandpa Philip did.

Speaker 21 (01:34:09):
But it works.

Speaker 31 (01:34:10):
But my joy is deeper than those circumstances. But today,
write down what you're joyful about? And especially what are
the things about God and his love and his nature
and his character and his relationship with you, and what
Jesus has done and the Bible he's given you and
the future he's promised.

Speaker 21 (01:34:26):
What are you joyful for? Let's concentrate on that thirty
seconds left.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
I'll let you wrap it up. Go ahead, you got
something else to make us joyful about?

Speaker 21 (01:34:33):
Well?

Speaker 31 (01:34:34):
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Merry Christmas to everyone who's listening to Bill Martinez Lives.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Merry Christmas, Jeff Camp, God bless you. Thank you so much.
Take care, see.

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Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
Hey, good morning, Welcome back, Merry Christmas. And Bill Martinez
here and Emily Chow from Focus on the Family. She's
part of the plugged In team. Exciting here it's always
talk about plugged In. We love plugged In, by the way,
just so you know, plus tax and license. I mean,
you guys do such an out standing job, you know,
on behalf of our listeners and the body of Christ

(01:39:38):
and keeping us all informed on all things that have
to do with the culture. And you know, and I
want to talk specifically, Emily, if it's okay with you
about your family Friendly Media Gift Guide, which is out
now right, Yes, yes, it is okay, so tell us
all about it.

Speaker 15 (01:39:56):
So, yeah, each year plugged In we review does hundreds,
if not thousands, of movies, TV shows, music, books, video games,
and at the end of the year we pick our
top five from each category, and specifically for our gift guide,
we were thinking, you know, you can you can buy

(01:40:16):
video games, you can buy books, so why not just
you know, make that our gift but our gift guide.
So these are our top five video games and books
that we reviewed this year.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Right, So, whether it's a book for preschooler for example, right,
you got it covered, right, you know, a little bit.

Speaker 29 (01:40:35):
Older than preschooler.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
I think, oh okay, it said it said preschooler. Maybe Uh, okay,
all right. But so but video games for your team,
as you mentioned, that isn't going to compromise your standards. Uh,
pluggedins got you covered, right, that's the idea. Okay, all right,
So I made a mistake about preschoolers, not necessarily about preschoolers,

(01:40:58):
but everybody older than preschoolers, unless you happen to have
a very precocious preschooler who is always who's already acting
as a as a I don't know what you call them,
an active schooler already. I guess.

Speaker 29 (01:41:11):
No, you could read them to your preschooler probably.

Speaker 15 (01:41:14):
I mean I would have enjoyed it as a preschooler
having my mom read this to me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
So yeah, Well, I think anytime you can have me
and mom time, or me and dad time, or grandma
and grandpa time, that's always precious. I mean, it's amazing
because when you talk to kids when they're they're old
enough to kind of ferret all this stuff out, I
find it quite interesting that their memories are so often

(01:41:39):
attached to those precious reserve moments that they have with
their parents or grandparents.

Speaker 29 (01:41:46):
Yes, I know, it's it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 15 (01:41:48):
Some of my earliest childhood memories are actually my mom
reading Chronicles of Narnia to us.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Oh, very cool, So.

Speaker 29 (01:41:56):
Definitely a precious memory.

Speaker 15 (01:41:58):
Also, some of my earliest memories, though, are my dad
playing video games with us. They're both really good connection opportunities,
really great opportunity to just sit down and kind of
enter your child's world or invite them into your own,
if you're a fan of these things.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Exactly. So, your dad was adept at moving his fingers
around to be able to stay with you with those
video games. I'll tell you that it was so frustrating
for me. I have to admit I'll be vulnerable and
tell you I just I could not quite get a
handle on it. And of course my son was so
good at it. He would smoke me and I mean,
leave me so far in the dust. It was like, okay,
I said, all right, God, now I understand about humility.

Speaker 29 (01:42:40):
Yeah, no, when.

Speaker 21 (01:42:41):
We were little.

Speaker 15 (01:42:42):
I think it was a little bit easier for him
when he was when we were little. As we got older,
we started smoking him in those games, and so I
think it kind of like how you felt.

Speaker 29 (01:42:52):
He was like, okay, I'm just playing games now.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Yeah. See that was the problem I started. He was
a little bit down the road. If I'd started when
he was maybe two, I might have been able to
keep up with him. But I understand. So practically, let's
break this gift guy down and again what's included and
how can parents best take advantage of it?

Speaker 15 (01:43:15):
So let's I'll go ahead and start with books, if
that's okay with you, perfect, So, yeah, we've got.

Speaker 29 (01:43:22):
Five books on this list.

Speaker 15 (01:43:24):
I'll start with the lowest age range and then we'll
work our way up to young adults age.

Speaker 29 (01:43:31):
So each of these books, we do still always.

Speaker 15 (01:43:34):
Recommend that you read our full review of these at
plugged in dot com. It just kind of helps you
to know, oh, if something's going to have if there's
going to be anything in the story that your family
is going to be sensitive to, or that you may
kind of just be like, you know what, that's not
the right story for me, We're gonna skip this one.
But we really we picked these books because each of

(01:43:56):
them has good there's good lessons to be taken from
each of these books, and we also thought they were
just interesting, you know, they're fun to read. So the
first on our list is called Pocket Bear, and it's
by Catherine Applegate and Yeah, it's about this little street
cat named Zephyarina who helps this little stuffed bear named

(01:44:17):
Pocket find old stuffed animals that are going to be
prepared at the Second Chances Home for the Tossed and Treasured. Yeah,
so basically this story, you know this street cats, she's
really rough and tough. She's like, you know, I can
do everything by myself. I don't need anybody but this.
But Pocket, the little stuff bear, he has such integrity

(01:44:39):
and such compassion that he really softens her heart. And
it just goes to show that even the most self
acknowledged character flaws can be transformed through our kind action,
through appreciation and love.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Right.

Speaker 15 (01:44:54):
The next book on our list, so that was for
like little kids, middle grade age kids. Next to our
list is The Blutchley Riddle by Ruda Sheppettis and Steve Sheenken,
And this is more middle grade tweens story about two
Polish teenagers living in England during World War Two and
one of them is trying to solve the riddle of

(01:45:16):
their mother's disappearance. The other one is trying to solve
the riddle of the Enigma machine, which so there's some
historical things in there. The Enigma machine was a real thing.
It's historical fiction, but it praises devotion to friends and
family and it really encourages young people to use the
skills they have to help others in times of need.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Wow, very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Okay, next, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:45:41):
The third book on the list is The Trouble with
Heroes by Kate Messner. This is for tweens and teens
and it's a story about a kid where he vandalizes
the tombstone of a hiker and what ends up happening
is her daughter says, Hey, I'm not gonna press charges,
but in return, you have to hike all forty six

(01:46:03):
at Aronet Sorry ad drunk Dack mountain peaks. After that's
what you need to do. Yes, if you hike all
forty six of those peaks, I'll drop the charges and
so and he does it, and so the story is
kind of interesting. A lot of it is written as
poems as he reaches the peak of each mountain, and

(01:46:24):
it talks about dealing with grief, wrestling with priorities, and
facing life's challenges one hilltop at a time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
So are you ready to go on the under the
Adron Dyke Mountains?

Speaker 29 (01:46:38):
A journey that'd be so cool. There's another part of
it that's like I would not.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Get very far right exactly. Okay, so that story when
I we're four. What's the fourth one is?

Speaker 29 (01:46:51):
It's a graphic novel.

Speaker 15 (01:46:52):
It's called God with Us Bible Stories on the Road
to Amaeis and is by Matt mclado's illustrated by David Shepherd.
And like I said, it's a graphic novel. So this
is kind of good for tweens and teens. And it
illustrates Luke twenty four, which is about Jesus' resurrection, but
it tells the story through the eyes of this elderly

(01:47:14):
couple and they're two young charges as they are walking
on the Road to Amais.

Speaker 29 (01:47:20):
And the purpose of this novel.

Speaker 15 (01:47:21):
Is to teach us that things of the Bible they're
not accidental. They're all interlocked, and they're all planned by God.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:47:31):
And then so the last book on our list, it's
called Once a Castle. It's actually the second book in
the Carrick Call Novels. It's by Sarah Arthur and this
one is we recommended it for young adults. It's got
kind of a Chronicles of Narnia vibe to it, which
you know I've already mentioned that earlier in the show.

(01:47:55):
But it's about these siblings and their friends. They travel
to a magical fantasy realm. That's where you get the
Narnia vibe.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:48:02):
It encourages readers to fight against evil, to sacrifice for others,
and to hold fast to virtues of specifically bravery, honesty, faith,
and love.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
Oh wow, very cool. So those are the five books,
and this is all just a little bit of a
taste of what's in the gift guide. And then also
we have video games, right, yes.

Speaker 29 (01:48:23):
We have video games too.

Speaker 15 (01:48:24):
So if you're looking for more information on these books,
just real quick you go to plugged in dot com
slash blog, or you can just go to plug in
dot com and click in our blog and the name
of the blog is the Blessings of Books.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
Oh I love it. Yes.

Speaker 15 (01:48:38):
For video games, it's the same directions, except it's called
a Gaming gold Mine. So if you're looking for it
on our website, that's where you'll find it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Okay, great, all right, we got a couple of minutes left,
so highlight some of the video games that are available
that you're recommending.

Speaker 15 (01:48:53):
Yep, So We've got Mario Kart World, which is great
for the whole family. It's just a racing game and
it's in a cart to world, and I mean it's Mario. Yeah,
And we liked it because it's got automatic features on there,
so even little kids can play because it's got smart
steering and auto acceleration or you know, you were saying
earlier how you couldn't quite get the controls underway. It's

(01:49:16):
great for you know, for parents who maybe aren't as
adept a video games, right, So yeah, it's great.

Speaker 29 (01:49:22):
It's great for you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
So it's got a built in handicapped system for some
of those parents that I love it. This is great.

Speaker 29 (01:49:30):
Yeah, we loved it too.

Speaker 15 (01:49:31):
Next on the list was called blue Prints, which is
a puzzle solving game and you're walking around this house.
You're trying to lay out the blue print of this house.
So it's kind of a play on World blue Prints.

Speaker 29 (01:49:43):
Blue Prints, Yes.

Speaker 15 (01:49:46):
And so yeah, it's like a lot of different puzzles.
We said older kids and tweens would be good for this,
but you know, some of the puzzles are harder, so
they might look at you and be like, hey, mom,
hey dad, can you figure out this puzzle, which is
kind of cool again and just inviting, inviting you into
their world. Then we had Pokemon Legends z A. Pokemon

(01:50:08):
Legends z A, and that one is for older kids
and tweens and it's all about ex So it's exploring
this parasite city with your little Pokemon pets and they do.

Speaker 29 (01:50:21):
There is a battle aspect to it.

Speaker 15 (01:50:23):
It's not like the old style Nintendo Pokemon, where you
know it was turn based battle system. It's a real
time battle system. But it's completely clean combat, like nobody dies,
there's no bloodshed, totally clean and sanitized. So you know,
for your kids who are getting older, who will be
exposed to more intense combat games, this can almost This

(01:50:46):
is like a more tame version of that where you know,
you don't have to feel guilty about, like, you know,
playing this alongside your kids and helping them through the
different battles and the explorations and stuff because again and
it's totally sanitized, totally clean. You know, you don't worry about.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
Well, we got we got to wrap things up, Emily,
so real quick. How can parents access the copy of
the Gift Guide and what other resources are available at
plugged in.

Speaker 15 (01:51:14):
So you can access to the gift guide as I
said at our blog plugged in dot com, slash blog,
or just going to our homepage and clicking on it
and it's a gaming gold mine and the blessings of
books and then we offer things throughout the year. We
have video games and books obviously, we also have YouTube music,
TV shows and most especially movies.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
Well check it out plugged in dot Com. Emily Chow,
a member of Focus on the Family's infamous plugged In team. Emily,
thank you very much, Merry Christmas, Happy.

Speaker 29 (01:51:44):
New Year to you, Happy New You to you as well.

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benefits paid for by Senior Choice Plans. Eight hundred seven
ninety six three nine five four eight hundred seven ninety
six three nine five four. That's eight hundred seven nine
six thirty nine fifty four