The Bill Martinez Show 12 17 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 17 25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
our values, our politics, and our future. And now Bill Martinez's.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
Hey, good morning, Welcome Bill Martinez here with the infamous
John O'Connor, the author of Postgate, How the Washington Post
betrayed Deep Throat, covered up Watergate, and began today's partisan
advocacy journalism. John, good morning, How are you good?

Speaker 6 (00:38):
Good? Yeah, yeah, just sailing along here.

Speaker 7 (00:41):
Okay, Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
You know, you talk about today's partisan advocacy journalism, it's
on steroids, John.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
Well, it is when you think about it. Barack Obama
literally sent out dropped three thousand and seven or ninety
seven bombs while he was in office, and about eight
hundred drone strikes killing thousands of people. And of course
he's just a wonderful guy. Should get the Dobel Peace Prize, right,

(01:13):
you know, Trump is you know, he sent out about
ten bombings of boats, you know, fairly surgical strikes on
drug boats, and now he's getting pillared, and of course
he should be impeached. So it all makes sense. That's
why I wrote the book Postgate was because it's it's
a template and show how the media can gin up

(01:37):
a controversy or it can hide a controversy. Did both
during water Gate, A ginned up one and hit another.
And that's what we're seeing today.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Well, Donald Trump is the is the mainstream media's pinata,
and they just you know, just keep on flying, even
though you know they'll show up in the Oval office
and he'll call him out and embarrass them.

Speaker 7 (01:59):
You know, they have no shame, John.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
That's right. And they've learned that anytime there is a
criticism of them, they can put it off to just
these crazy right wingers, you know, and it's you know,
they wear it as a badge of honor. You know,
it's the it's these conservatives are doing this. And look
at this terrible, terrible president. And as they say on television, boy,

(02:24):
he's just the way he treats people. He treats people
so badly. Isn't that terrible? And oh, by the way,
he's hitler, Yes, and he's the worst guy that ever
hed the But he's so terrible. When he calls somebody
miss piggy, that's terrible. Of course it's not. It's not polite.
I would agree with them on that. But the point

(02:45):
is the difference between Trump's sort of regular, regular guy
in a bar rhetoric, which in the rhetoric which falls
him criminal or even worse, a terrorist and a mass murderer.

(03:05):
I don't think those two things are parallel.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well, of course, of course not. Yeah, unless you're aching
for bacon, you're not going to kill miss Piggy. But
Adolf Hitler a whole nother case. And look what they've
done with ice ice right now, the attacks are at
over twelve hundred percent increase. And you got a knut
that goes all the way across country and shoots two

(03:30):
National guardsmen in the head. That you got a knucklehead
congressman going, oh, it was just an incident, you know,
it was what I.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Mean, help, I think he said it was an accident.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Right, yeah, that was one of the terms he used.
And I mean, how how disconnected can you be? I
mean it's like at that point, you know, we need
to put a bag over your head and walk you
out of the room.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
You know you're no longer relevant.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Well, I think if you put this whole thing, it
gives a lands through which a lot of recent history
can be viewed, for instance, the George Floyd riots over
hundreds of cities, which caused many deaths and of course
the loss of businesses of many hardworking middle class people,
many minorities. And by the way, yeah, those are mostly

(04:22):
peaceful protests, of course, and they're they're the These riots
are the language of the unheard. These folks are rioting
because they're just so oppressed and suppressed, and of course
they've all got nice new tactical gear on and somebody
is paying for them to come into town. But it's

(04:44):
just a spontaneous upwelling of the oppressed that we're a
mostly peaceful protest turns in amazingly and unexpectedly into a riot.
But that's the way that's portrayed. My point is that's
the way that portrayed who you know, to the and
a half the country kind of goes along with that

(05:07):
because they've been told that by reputable people. And this
is the disease and this is the problem. I mean, look,
Europe is full of intelligent people, and we were watching
their slow motion suicide exactly. We're just not far behind.
We happen to have a good, hearty stock of people

(05:27):
who aren't as decadent as those in Europe, and we're
kind of trying to stop this slow motion suicide. But
it really is a civilizational crisis. We're in the way
things are viewed. If we view things correctly and honestly
and forthrightly and have honest debate, We're not all going

(05:49):
to agree perfectly, but have honest debate, we'll be fine.
But that's not what's happening.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
No, without a doubt.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Well, you know, they've been canceling voices and people, you
know for the last decade. And as you say, you
watch what's going on in Europe. I mean right now
England is being brought to its knees with thousands of
tractors having a siege work there around the government right

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because they want to overtax them.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
And and what is it over immigration?

Speaker 5 (06:22):
And it's like, oh where else is that happening here
in the United States?

Speaker 7 (06:25):
Maybe, I mean, do we not? Is the next step?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
We're gonna start seeing farmers siege working Washington, d C.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
Well, and it's interesting that Trump can be hit now
as people are trying to hit them on affordability. Uh.
And my point here is that that may have something
to do just a tad to do with the open
borders we've had in the last four years. You think,
which have cost us tremendously. That money has to come

(06:56):
from someplace. It causes inflation. Think about it. It's it's
not just there's one hundred and fifty billion in direct
benefits from federal programs. But there's far more cost to
this than just those direct benefits from emergency rooms to
everything else. So when you're getting down into it, you know,

(07:16):
how much is when you go out and you buy
a Hamburg or how much of that is really you're spending,
is really for illegal immigration?

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, and look what's happening in Minnesota, John, I mean,
that's disgusting, billions of dollars. And then you find out
a lot of this money, I mean, it's like Black
Lives Matter all over again. They get all this government
assistance and next thing, you know, which is typical. You know,
the leadership goes out buys fancy cars and houses and
ingratiates themselves and meanwhile the people that the money was

(07:46):
intended for, they're left on the street, still begging for food.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
That's right, and that's played out of course all over
the place, often legally. When you look at nonprofits that
are just so concerned about the public interest. But of course,
before the money gets out to whatever it is they're
spending it on. You know, people are making oh, just
a reasonable amount, four hundred thousand for the leader, in

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three hundred and fifty thousand for the vice leader, and
so forth and so on, and then they go to
conferences at nice places. You know, Cabos on Lucas is
a good place for a conference to talk about poverty,
and our money's going there and so forth. So yeah, yeah,
that's that's the situation we're in. And are we really

(08:34):
helping poor people? Know we're not, and so I just
what we are doing, just does it make sense?

Speaker 5 (08:43):
Well, meanwhile, the taxpayers getting fleeced and being asked for more,
and meanwhile our national debt is thirty eight trillion in
counting John O'Connor.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well that's right. And then what happens is is when
Trump left office in twenty twenty, we're paying three one
hundred billion a year as interest on our national debt
up through T bills and so forth and so on.
And now just yesterday I think it was one point
one three trillion a year exactly.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
We got to go to quick break. Let's go to
quick break. We'll pick it up.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
We got more from John O'Connor on the other side.
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Speaker 5 (14:23):
John O'Connor, the outhor of Postgate, how the Washington Post
betrayed deep trut, covered up Watergate, and began today's partisan
advocacy journalism. John, before the break, you were talking about
the interest that's been accruing and the difference between Donald
Trump when he finished his first term and then you
got four years of Obama and now we've got a nightmare.
And the interest payment on our debt alone is has

(14:47):
already exceeded what we pay for the military.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
That's right, that's right. So that is and that constantly
redoubles because we're now paying interest on interest and we
are getting sinking farther in the whole things are getting
less affordable. Now, what happens if we pry the remedies
of the collectivists, the progressives like Mandami, where government's supposed

(15:15):
to give more free stuff that is not economically advisable,
it's going to sink us into more debt. We got
into this problem by having the government try to provide
too many things. We have eighty different programs right now
giving benefits out to people, eighty that are just out
of control. They're on autopilot. That's part of the lesson

(15:38):
of this Somali thing in Minnesota. It's very hard to government.
People are not here's the basis, and you and I
would agree with this bill. People are best when they're
spending their own money. They take care of Aristotle said
in response to Plato's collectivism, he said, the problem with

(15:58):
your collectivism, Plato is this man treasures most dearly that
which he calls mind. Right now, we have money being
spent by politicians, nonprofits, governments. People are spending other people's money,
and then it goes to people who didn't earn that

(16:18):
money and they do not value it, and so all
along we are losing the tether between you know, benefit
and work, and that's not good for society. Milton Friedman
said that when people when we allowed unfettered immigration in
the United States, there was a difference back then because

(16:39):
you got no benefits when you came in. When somebody
came here, it was so that they could get a job,
so they could work, so they could advance themselves, and
that made the company the country stronger. But once you
come in and that is freighted with benefits, now the
system just doesn't make sense. Now you have to control that,

(17:00):
because otherwise you're just giving away free things, you're encouraging that.
And so we've got ourselves in a bad hole here.
Bill is you and I I think agreed right.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Without a doubt. Well, the issue of self responsibility, it's key.
It's foundational to our founding documents. The other thing John
and I've asked several top economists in the country about
this is the thirty eight trillion dollars that were in debt.
How much is tied to political favor how much is
tied to buying votes? And one economist said probably all

(17:29):
of it. Bill, to be honest with you, and I said,
that's the problem that we have this money that's being spent.
It's not in earnestness to really solve a problem. It's
to get bureaucrats reelected.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
That's right. That's of course all the Climate Bill was,
which was the aptly named Inflation Reduction Act, and Biden
went out and said, this was really a climate bill.
I shouldn't even call it that. It's really about climate
because I'm such a climate guy. But then if you
look at the expenditures for climate, you know all they
are is poor. You know, that's all is. It doesn't

(18:05):
do any good for anybody. And then and of course,
to the extent you're subsidizing something, it means that whatever
you're subsidizing is non economically viable itself.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
Yeah, Obamacare, Obamacare for example.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Right, Well, that's right, And my point about yeah, exactly exactly,
that's going to cut our costs. Right, We're gonna have
a big government program, you see, but it's going to
cut our costs now, ten years later, whenever it is now,
all of a sudden, we have to subsidize it. Well,
wait a second, I what is that. I thought you

(18:40):
said this would cut our costs, not that we have
to have these massive subsidies that we're paying for. You
didn't tell us that. Yes, but it's too late now,
isn't it. We've hooked you. We've hooked you in by
fooling you that this would be good for you. It's
not good for you, and it is not good for
the regular taxpayer. It is good perhaps perhaps on the margins.

(19:03):
It's good for someone who doesn't have insurance, but they
were getting care anyway, they were going to emergency rooms
and so forth. But now we're making the cost of
insurance higher, and we're really straining state budgets who have
to you know, provide some support for the medicaid.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Well, if Obamacare were so good, why didn't Congress take it.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
Absolutely? And why would Obama accept the unions from it?
His supporters and the unions because they don't want it,
because they know it's nothing. So all you're doing is
taking those people out there. Will call them suckers, and
that's what they are, is the suckers that these politicians
are really fleecing. They're you and I, Bill, and people

(19:52):
who are you know, listening to this program, watching this program.
We're the suckers, and we're fleeced by either of the
the politicians who are getting rich on K Street and
their nonprofits. And maybe there are some people, to be fair,
maybe there's some people that are you know, blamelessly indigen

(20:13):
and so forth. But even at that, even the benefits
for these programs are often you know, riddled by you know,
by clever people. And who are you saying, Hey, you're
handing out something free. I'm going to try to get
as much of that free stuff as I can, even
if I have to do so fraudulently. There's so much fraud.

(20:34):
Everybody acknowledges that there's so much fraud in these programs
because it looks.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
But look what happens.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
You get Elon Musk to come in in his DOGE
team and saying, look it, I think we could find
a trillion. I think they could end up finding two
trillion dollars of fraud and waste. But well, my goodness,
the Democrats just went apoplectic. You know, they were in
the fetal position, yelling and screaming, and everybody was a Nazi,
and you know, death's on Trump and on Elon Musk.

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And then they do polling on it in about the
thirty percent of the people said, yeah, I don't see
a problem in assassinating the president or Elon Musk.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
I mean, that's how crazy this guy.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Yeah, oh yeah, sure, no kings. We don't want a king.
I don't. I'm not so sure why Elon Musk was
a king, but no kings. And then of course, because
he tried to cut waste in government, we should go
out and we should destroy all tesla's. Yes, I think
tesla's from my review in Marine County here, I think
they're safe and sound. Again, you can still drive one

(21:35):
around but nonetheless, think about that one. What a reaction
to the notion that there's fraud and waste in a
bruce and abuse in government. And of course that's interesting
because that's always been the mantra of the left. Oh yeah,

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maybe the debt's getting high, but there's fraud and waste
in abuse by all these right wingers out there. Well, okay,
let's cut out fraud, waste and abuse. But that doesn't
seem to resonate when somebody really does something about it.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Yeah, because that's reelection money, John. You see, you got
to follow the money and you see what's going on,
and that money is going back. It's what makes the
wheels on the bus go round and round, it goes out,
and part of that is the elected bureaucrats they get
their vig I mean, this is money laundering, is what
it boils down to.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
Sure, we talked about the nonprofits. The nonprofits often are
a scam because they're directly connected to government. They get
money from government, they then support the politicians and the
money is just re routed. There was that congress person
from California who did that.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
She was a.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
Nonprofit person, the one who got caught up in the
sex scandals. But that's how she came to power, was
by using nonprofits money gathering them, and she was the
one who was paying off the politicians. And finally she
gets in office, then she gets money from the nonprofits,
and that money doesn't really go anywhere. The amount of

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payoff at the end of the of the cycle, when
the nonprofit pays for its offices and its people and
so forth and so on, just is not a good
way of dealing with things.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Well, when you talk about administrative costs, we got less
than a minute left here, John, You talk about administrative
even the Red Cross, I think their administrative costs are
something like twenty five percent. There's a lot of other
you know companies that you know, go anywhere from three
to five percent administrative costs. I would dare say these
government operated so called you know entities, their administrative cost

(23:57):
if you really did an audit on them, I bet
it's over three.

Speaker 7 (24:01):
If not more.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
What's interesting is is that in some nonprofits, such as
the Clinton Foundation, they were originally criticized because they gave
out none of their money to actually these things called charities,
or they didn't give out money to charitable use, and
they said, well, you don't understand we are so valuable.
We're taking our wonderful people like John Podesta and so forth,

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and we're giving conferences all around the country and we're
helping people out. That's what we're doing. So actually, when
you really get down to it, the Clinton Foundation was
one big administrative costs. They didn't give out any money
at all, or still don't. They have conferences, and what
they it is it houses political operatives who are performing

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political acts and so forth, and there's gravy then that
they seek and then hopefully they'll go get some contract
that will make them a fortune.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
While they're like buzzards.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
They see where the money's gone, where the government money
is gone, and they're there, whether it's in Haiti or
any other third world country that they can get their
claws into. You watch how the Clinton Foundation works, and
that's exactly what they do. John, We got to leave
it there. John O'Connor, the outher of Postgate. John is
always appreciate the time. Thank you for being with us.

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I've been with you.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
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Speaker 5 (29:27):
Well, good morning, good to have you back with us,
Bill Martinez here along with Jenny Beth Martin from the
Tea Party Patriots Action.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Hey, Jenny Beth, good morning to you.

Speaker 18 (29:34):
Good morning Bill. It's so good to be with you.

Speaker 7 (29:36):
Hey, Always good to have you here with us.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Well, a lot concerning America today. We have seen the
steady rise of anti Semitism and it is, it appears
to be the driver of just about all things evil
right now.

Speaker 19 (29:53):
Jennybeth, Yeah, I would agree with that, Bill, And it's
in America, and it's it is rising around the entire
higher world.

Speaker 18 (30:00):
We saw it.

Speaker 19 (30:02):
I think first we realized just how bad the problem
was on October seventh, over two years ago. And then
just this past Sunday in Australia, as Jewish people are
celebrating Hanukkah on a beach, being just shot and viciously
murdered in a horrific, horrific terrorist attack.

Speaker 18 (30:26):
But it's not just the terrorist attacks that are the problem.

Speaker 19 (30:31):
We are seeing this rise of anti Semitism on both
the left and the right, and we have to be
able to call that out and say this is wrong.

Speaker 18 (30:41):
It doesn't matter what your other political beliefs are.

Speaker 19 (30:45):
As Americans, there are some things we're just going to
say is wrong and we don't stand for and racism.
We have to take a stand against racism. We have
to take a stand against anti semitism, and sadly, I
think we also have to take a stand against political violence.
And as Americans, I think ninety eight percent of us

(31:06):
agree on these, but we have to make sure we're
calling it out well.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
The ninety eight percent must take a stand on this.
Jenny Beth, I think this is part of the problem.
You know, as you said October seventh, you know that's.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
Over there kind of there, you know, and then you
had this this rising.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Already, this anti semitism has been going on for decades,
but it just seems like now for somehow. I mean,
when you've got kids on college campuses, you know, screaming
from the river to the sea, this whole Palestinian issue,
the accommodation of this all in the in all under
the guise of our First Amendment right and free speech.
I mean, all this rhetoric and as you say, even

(31:45):
the lack of civility in terms of language that is
spoken in the political realm. This is all very dangerous.
I mean, we're just we're like lighting bonfire fires here
all over the place, and sooner or later somebody's gonna
throw a kerosene on this thing, and this is going
to get out of hand if it hasn't ready.

Speaker 19 (32:03):
Yeah, I think that you're right, and I would say
that the people in Australia and in Israel think it
already is out of hand, and people within the Turning
Point USA organization think it is as well. Not because
of anti Semitism, but because of political violence.

Speaker 15 (32:22):
Bill.

Speaker 19 (32:23):
Anti Semitism, to be sure, has been rising on the left,
and we've seen that play out most clear the clearest
example would be on college campuses. But we are seeing
this happen on the right as well, and we have
to be able to stand up against it on the right.

Speaker 18 (32:39):
And what I think that the way.

Speaker 19 (32:40):
It's manifesting on the right is that we have people
who say they are America first, and then they blame
all of the world's problems on Israel.

Speaker 18 (32:50):
And then they or they'll.

Speaker 19 (32:52):
Say they're just asking questions. And you can't blame all
the world's problems on a on a single country. You
can't blame all the world's problems on one certain kind
of people of a certain religion.

Speaker 18 (33:07):
It just simply it is wrong, and we have to
be able to call that out as well.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Well.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
It is surprising because you think the people on the
right particularly and you find them a little squishy right
now in all areas political everything is like they're letting
loose of the things that got them elected. You know,
because they were pretty determined when Donald Trump got re elected,
and most on a scale of one to the right,

(33:34):
you know what I'm saying. You know, not that they
were one hundred percent, but they were definitely a little
bit more defined. And now all of a sudden they
get squishy. And that's unfortunate because that opens the door,
as you say, to some of these creative ideas and
some of these things they maybe they've been saying it
in the back room, not real loud, but now it's
starting to come out and you're exactly right. You know,

(33:55):
they need to be called on this for all the
right reasons, and that is that if we're going to
be effective, we have to be unified. And also we
got to be clear on these things that you know,
promotes civility, that promote.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
Righteousness in our in our country.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
And this is the problem that we have right now,
is that there's a lot of evil that's flying around
that's being accommodated, and you can point it out and
call it out. I mean, gosh, we go we get somebody,
you know what, we have bomb makers that are going
to you know, set up a campaign over New Years
in Los Angeles and they got what they They arrested

(34:36):
four people.

Speaker 7 (34:36):
I go, four people? Are you are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (34:39):
This is I mean, they had they were rather sophisticated
in their plans. There's an infrastructure that's a lot deeper
than four people. I know the FBI knows this, but
don't think that just because they got four people that
it's done right.

Speaker 18 (34:51):
That's right, That's exactly right.

Speaker 19 (34:53):
So I think that what we need to think about
is what can we do about it? And we're not
going to be able to single handily as individuals stop
terrorist attacks.

Speaker 18 (35:03):
In most cases, clearly a man in.

Speaker 19 (35:07):
Australia was able to do that and was willing to
risk his life for the life of others. But we
can make a difference. We can call it out when
we see things that are wrong. We can remind people
what anti Semitism is and that it is wrong. And
we need to keep going back to our foundational principles.

(35:28):
And for you and I that that comes from very
clear sources. It comes from from our founding documents, the
Decoration of Independence, the Constitution, federalist papers, and also it
comes from the Bible. And we can look at the
Bible and lean on God to understand that we there
are certain moral truths and we have to be able

(35:50):
to stand up for those. And we can look at
our founding documents which acknowledge that our rights come from God,
and look at those documents to know what stances we
should be taking politically. And I think if we we
we need to turn down the influencers and the social
media just a little bit and turn up going back

(36:11):
to the foundational documents, turn up going back and doing
devotionals each day, reading the Bible, studying the Constitution, take
Hillsdale's Constitution one in one course, making sure that we
are seeped in those seeped rather in those very foundational principles.

Speaker 18 (36:32):
And we have to remember also that we cannot call our.

Speaker 19 (36:35):
Fellow Americans names that wind up dehumanizing them. And I
think that that is one of the biggest things that
we have to remember when we're getting on in the
figurative wars on social media, the battles back and forth.
You don't group all people together and lump them together
and call them names that dehumanize. And remember that there

(36:57):
are fellow Americans. And if we don't agree on everything,
we should be able to walk away from a disagreement
agreeing that we love this country and we love them
as a fellow American, even if we disagree with their
political stances.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
And we need disagreement, this is what makes us a
better country. But we also need to know the difference
between somebody who is disagreeing we maybe disagree on how
to get there, versus somebody who wants to destroy the
very thing that we love.

Speaker 18 (37:29):
That that is right.

Speaker 19 (37:30):
And when we're seeing and I think that we are,
we are seeing some people who want to destroy the
very thing that we love. And I think that we
have seen immigrants who have come into this country who
were not fully vetted. We're not vetted the way they
were supposed to be, who have no intention of assimilating.
And those people who want to destroy America and want

(37:51):
to harm Americans and are willing to commit vicious, heinous.

Speaker 18 (37:55):
Crimes that do harm Americans. They need to be deport
they need to be out of our country. There's no
place in America for that.

Speaker 19 (38:03):
And more American citizens and those who are immigrants who
are here lawfully. None of us deserve to have those
kind of crimes committed against us because of people who
are unwilling to obey our laws.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, and look what's happening, Jenny Beth. I mean the
people who are being radicalized. I mean they say, well
they were radicalized here in No, they came in with
a level of radicalization because look where they came from.
They came from countries that were lawless.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
What did you expect all of a sudden they were
going to come to America and be law abiding.

Speaker 19 (38:36):
Well, especially not when the first act in our country
is breaking our law. We're telling them it's okay to
not follow the law and that's completely unacceptable, and that
happened throughout the entirety of the Biden administration. Thankfully, President
Trump has that under control now at the border, but
we still have this massive issue with the people who

(38:57):
entered unlawfully, and.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
It starts with leaders Leadership has to has to project
that change and that new standard here in America that
is win win for all concerned.

Speaker 18 (39:08):
Right, that is exactly right.

Speaker 19 (39:10):
And I think that we see that kind of leadership
with President Trump, and.

Speaker 18 (39:15):
We see it with we see it with people on
both sides of the aisle.

Speaker 19 (39:20):
We could say that we see that with John Fetterman.
He is certainly a leader in trying to help Americans
see we can have political disagreements and also still treat
each other with the respect we deserve as fellow Americans.
And there are other politicians on the right as well
who do that. But we we need to look for

(39:43):
those leaders, and we need to be those leaders ourselves.
We may never be president of the United States, but
we all can be a leader in our own circle
of influence, and we need to do so, and we
need to lead by example.

Speaker 18 (39:55):
And that doesn't mean we're not gonna we're gonna send.

Speaker 19 (39:58):
We're going to make a mistakes, We're going to fall,
but then you get back up, you acknowledge it, you'll
learn from it, and you keep striving to do better.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
It's okay to apologize, right, Jennybeth.

Speaker 18 (40:10):
Absolutely, you got it.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
We got to leave it there. Merry Christmas to you
and your family. Thank you so much. Hopefully mom's doing
better now.

Speaker 18 (40:17):
Huh, yes she is, thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (40:20):
Good. Where can they go? For more information?

Speaker 19 (40:23):
Go to Jenny Beth M on social media, Jenny Beth M,
Mike Martin MS and Martin and then tea partypatriots dot
org and Merry Christmas to you as well.

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Speaker 7 (44:39):
Hey, good morning, welcome back Bill Martinez here. Great to
have you with us.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Also great to have Jeremy back to co president of
Numbers Usay, Hey, Jeremy, good morning.

Speaker 24 (44:47):
Always good to be with you.

Speaker 20 (44:48):
Bill, Good morning to you.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
It's all beginning to look a lot like Christmas, isn't
it It is.

Speaker 25 (44:53):
I got snow outside my window.

Speaker 20 (44:55):
My kids are loving it.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
Well, I'm in Florida, so we're just getting wind and
you know, a little bit to reign, so we can't
complain much. But anyway, it's the season with all that's happening.
You know, some highlights, low lights, some dangers that are
out there. And you know, last week we were talking
about our immigration system and you know, kind of trying

(45:18):
to figure out what is the right number that you know,
our government can handle, because it seems that we're somewhere
between maybe one point five two million. We're still trying
to process anywhere from fifteen to twenty million illegals that
came in, and it just seems like the system is
just gravely overwhelmed. And this in spite of President Trump

(45:42):
just shutting down the border and saying, hey, for right now,
nobody is coming across anymore.

Speaker 7 (45:46):
Right.

Speaker 25 (45:47):
It's a really good point for people to remember, and
of course people who are in these receiving communities they
don't need reminders. But you know, the border has more
or less been shut down as far as illegal immigration goes,
but we still have millions of people, people who were
released into the country, who were not admissible into the country,
and we still have to deal with them and the
ramifications of them.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
They need they need food.

Speaker 25 (46:08):
And shelter, and they're looking for work, often illegal work.
They need the raw materials that it takes to support
a life in the United States. It's a tremendous burden
on the local communities and we're still sifting through that,
and all of that is really, frankly a distraction from
the long term picture, which is, how do we set

(46:29):
our immigration limits at a level that we can sustain
and feel very good about the people that we are
admitting and the fact that they've been vetted and that
we can handle. We can handle the inflow. So it
really does for us. It comes down to the numbers,
and that is a big question.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Yeah, you know, you and I can sit in with
our audience and talk reasonably about this and say, okay,
what's the ideal. But yet there's such an aggressive faction
out there that doesn't want to sit down and talk
about this stuff.

Speaker 7 (46:58):
All they want to do.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
Is complain and be agitators on this whole issue and
not arrive at any kind of solution, but yet act
like they're somehow trying to capture the higher ground.

Speaker 7 (47:09):
On these issues. It's very frustrating.

Speaker 25 (47:12):
It is frustrating. I'm optimistic. It's December. I'm optimistic. You know,
the Biden administration had this attitude. This was reported recently
in the New York Times that you know, the New
York Times bombshell story that said the Biden administration messed
up immigration.

Speaker 7 (47:27):
Right, Oh my god.

Speaker 25 (47:29):
It's a newsflash. But it's a pretty in depth reporting
and it shows, among other things, that at its core,
it wasn't just incompetence, although there was some incompetence, there
was a belief system, a belief structure inside the administration
that really felt at its core that borders were illegitimate,
that immigration limits were immoral, and they just they just

(47:53):
didn't feel good about enforcing the law or setting any
kind of limits. And so we had we had an
administration and an immigration system for four years whose idea
was our job is to let in as many people
as possible, because that's the right thing to do. That
was that was sort of at the heart of it.
And the problem, of course is you and I know,

(48:14):
and as the country discovered, is that the demand to
get into the United States far outstrips our capacity.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
But they knew that beforehand, Jeremy, I mean, how many
how many people?

Speaker 7 (48:26):
How many millions of people?

Speaker 5 (48:27):
I think it was a survey years ago they took
said how many people would want to come to the
United States.

Speaker 7 (48:32):
I mean it's overwhelming. I mean so it's like, what
were they thinking.

Speaker 25 (48:35):
Listen, you don't Yeah, you don't have to convince me.
I mean, this is how bad it was. In the
In the Biden administration, you had the former vice president
of Larraza, which is basically an open borders organization, advising
the President that his policies had gone too far towards
open borders. I mean she, you know, Celia Munos, who
was you know, a major thorn on the side of

(48:57):
restrictionists over the years. She works in the Obama administration,
but she she was one of the people raising the
alarm saying we are going to we are going to
be swamped with people and we're not.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Going to be able to handle it.

Speaker 25 (49:08):
There will be chaos, and this will have political ramifications
as well as you know, ramifications for the interior of
the country for Americans. It was her Her calls went unheeded,
her warnings went unheard.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Well, look at the communities that she represents, Jeremy. She
knows the impact was going to be felt by these
local communities immediately.

Speaker 7 (49:29):
I mean, it didn't take a genius to figure that out.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
But like you said, the fixed ideology of some of
those that didn't care, or maybe they just felt like, hey,
it's unfair. You know, we've been so blessed, you know,
I mean, you get this, this white privileged attitude that
has overwhelmed our country. It's causing people to make ridiculous
decisions and conclusions here.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
And that's fine.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Look at if you feel guilty for any kind of
white privilege and and that's what you want to have
in your household.

Speaker 7 (49:56):
Hey, that's okay.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
But to force that ideology on the rest of America,
I think seems to be imprudent.

Speaker 25 (50:06):
Well, imprudent is putting it kindly. It's misplaced compassion. But
regardless of the motivations, I mean, I don't believe that
the people inside the Biden administration were hoping to resurrect
a child labor catastrophe that we hadn't seen since the
days of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, but they did. I
don't think they meant to lose hundreds of thousands of

(50:28):
kids and put them in the hands of sponsors, quote
unquote sponsors, many of whom were here not related to them,
human traffickers, but they did. I don't think they meant
to swamp hospitals and schools and small towns with these burdens,
but they did. I don't think they mean the purveyors
of legal immigration, which we're going to talk about here.

(50:50):
I don't think they mean to rob the working class
of five hundred billion dollars every year.

Speaker 15 (50:56):
But they do.

Speaker 25 (50:56):
That's what our legal system does on autopilot. Because those
numbers are way too high. A lot of it is
misplaced compassion. There of course is some greed involved. Some
people do get wealthy off of mass immigration, and some
people do gain power from mass immigration, and those two
are obviously factors. But I think a lot of it,
at least if you read this New York Times story

(51:18):
the background, a lot of it was really just absolute
and misplaced compassion. It was sort of leading with the heart,
but just turning off the brain. And you know, when
you turn off the brain, the heart can do some
really awful things in the name of compassion.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Well, and the air thing too is just in our
own humanity, we can be pretty squirrely. And as you said,
you know when you talk about greed and power, whoa,
those are two powerful agents, and people do that which
they get rewarded for. And there was a system to
reward this malbehavior and get us to this point.

Speaker 7 (51:54):
I mean, it's really so paradoxical.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
On so many ways, me because you know, you want,
you want to think better of your fellow citizen, to think, well,
why would you do something so diabolical. It's not even
you know, really considerate of the immigrant. It's unfair, you know,
It's like saying Okay, honey, we're going to have dinner tonight.
And how many people can we place around the table. Well,

(52:21):
we've got seating for eight people.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
We can do eight.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Oh, let's go ahead and let's invite thirty people over.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
Right, right?

Speaker 25 (52:28):
Yeah, and and you know some yeah, it's and somebody
ends up having some indignity. Now maybe you know the
the idea is that well, hey, no matter no matter
how much of a of a just a poor, destitute,
tough living conditions they have in America, many of them
are going to be better off than they are in
their home countries. But what you're doing is you're creating

(52:49):
a permanent lower class in America, a permanent servant class. Really,
It's true. It's true some people, especially their kids. This
is a part of our immigrant tradition. You know, they
rise up and over generations, you know, you build up,
but you're constantly replacing them with this new almost indentured
ser servitude class so that we can, you know, get

(53:09):
our tables busted for poverty wages. It's it's a tough
trade off to swallow, I.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
Think, right. Well, and the other question is asked at
the expense.

Speaker 25 (53:17):
Of who that's it The great economist George Borjas said,
when it comes to immigration policy, the question is who
are you rooting for?

Speaker 7 (53:27):
Uh?

Speaker 25 (53:27):
And this is this is the beginning of wisdom, which
is that there is no magic number, there is no
magic formula. The question is is who do you want
to who do you want to benefit? Who gets the
profits and who pays the costs. Mass immigration privatizes the
profits and it socializes the costs. And the burden is
especially held on the working class, the people who work

(53:49):
with their hands and their feet, who are up upstanding
upright all day. And the investment class tends to benefit
the people, you know, frankly like me who are sitting
in front of a computer, andeople who are collecting dividends
in the stock market.

Speaker 18 (54:02):
That's the class that that.

Speaker 25 (54:03):
Tends to benefit. You know, you don't You can do
so much more important things with your life if you
don't have to mow your own lawn or do your
own dishes, or wash your own clothes, or watch your
kids for that matter. And so the burden really does
fall on the wage earners of society. And so the
question is you know how many and how do you
balance that immigration system? And one this came up. This

(54:27):
is this is why I'm optimistic, is because we're not
talking about whether or not we should just throw the
borders wide open anymore right now. What we're talking about.

Speaker 7 (54:35):
As JD.

Speaker 25 (54:36):
Vance was asked at a recent Turning Points to the
USA event, what about legal immigration? What what is the
right number? And Advance, you know, what he said was, well,
it's complicated because there is really no no specific number.
Depends on the factors you're looking at. That's the way
Borhas would say, depends on who you're rooting for. What
Vance said was it's got to be way, way lower.

(54:57):
And I'll double down on that and just say that
ever since mass immigration was restarted sixty years ago by
the Immigration and Nationality Act of nineteen sixty five, inadvertently,
by the way, it was a mistake, but it's a
mistake that our policymakers have decided to keep.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
But ever since then, so.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Many mistakes happened. During the Lyndon Baines Johnson by the way,
anyway go ahead.

Speaker 7 (55:19):
That one's going to be up there.

Speaker 25 (55:22):
So commission after commission through the latter half of the
twentieth century studied this for years. These are blue ribbon
federal bipartisan commission studied these things for years and they
came up with numbers and they basically said, those commissions
recommended annual immigration limits between three hundred and fifty thousand
and five hundred and fifty thousand a year. That's a

(55:45):
lot of people. That's very that's a very generous policy.
In fact, it's more. Yeah, it's more than we're coming
during the middle of the twentieth century, so it was
kind of an increase over our recent tradition. It's but
it's more than half. I mean, it's less than half
of what.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
We have to do exactly.

Speaker 25 (56:01):
That shows just how far out of whack we are
right now. And so as you and I are constantly
talking about just systems being overwhelmed, well, these things are
happening because we are running more than double the rate
recommended by every commission that has studied this. They've come
up with very similar recommendations. And by the way, the
breakdown is and this is where it gets. This is

(56:23):
where Jade Vans is saying is kind of complicated, and
Borja says, it depends on who you're rooting for. The
breakdown is right now because our foreign born population is
so high in America. If you believe, as my organization does,
that an American citizen should be able to marry whomever
they want overseas, and if you fall in love you
bring somebody from another country to be your spouse, then

(56:46):
you should be able to do that. There really shouldn't
be any limits to that. And you should also be
able to adopt the children that you want if you
just do that alone. Because of the demographics we have
right now, you're talking about five hundred thousand people year
just in family based, nuclear, family based immigration. So that
sets the level. And beyond that, it's because do you

(57:08):
want do you want some number of truly exceptional talents,
you know, just some Einstein level people to come in?

Speaker 9 (57:16):
I think we do.

Speaker 25 (57:17):
So what is that is that fifty thousand people a year?
Is it one hundred thousand people a year? And then finally,
the third, the third leg of the stool is refugees.
You know, what's the number the right number to permanently
resettle people who have no hope of ever returning to
their home countries. There's a discussion to be had there.
The latest commission said fifty thousand. Now, the refugee program,

(57:38):
as you and I know has a lot of problems
right now, so I would like to get the refugee
program in better shape before we start putting those kinds
of numbers on it. But those are the recommendations. And again,
this isn't this isn't a conservative think tank or liberal
think tank. This is you know, federal commissions, and they've
all been pretty consistent, and we are way way past

(57:59):
the numbers.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Well, Jeremy Beck, Hey, we're gonna have to continue this conversation.
I think we've gone down a chapter here that needs
to be dealt with and examined further, and you've brought
some great insight to it. So we'll continue this the
next time we get together. Jeremy back, the co president
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Speaker 25 (58:22):
My friend, Merry Christmas to you, Merry Christmas to everybody.

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Speaker 5 (59:37):
Hey, Good morning, six minutes after the top of the hour.
Right now, Bill Martinez here with Scott Powell from the Discovery.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
Institute and author and speaker. Thanks Scott, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Good morning?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
I'm well, Bill, how are you?

Speaker 7 (59:47):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (59:47):
I'm doing terrific and I've been looking forward to this
opportunity to talk to you because I think you know
you and I have been focusing a lot on the
Constitution and you know, you know, on the origins of
our country, and that really is something that we need
to you know, keep in front of us constantly lest

(01:00:07):
we forget. Donald Trump is, you know, traveling now across
the country talking about affordability, you know, which he probably thinks, Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
Well, why am I dealing with this issue?

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Because you know, Joe Biden in the previous administration had
done so much in damaging our country's economy, our national
security on so many levels, our border certainly, and it
just seems so common sensical. But the issue is is
that you got the mainstream media constantly be rating and

(01:00:42):
resisting Donald Trump and the agenda, along with the Democrats,
and they're just flat out misrepresenting and deceiving the public.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
When I had.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Consulted with CEOs across the country for many years, the
thing that I always told them is that you have
to keep the mission of the company up front all
the time. Every time you meet with your staff, you
have to remind them why you're here, what's your reason
to exist, and where you're going. And Donald Trump is
starting to do that again, and that's absolutely key as

(01:01:14):
the chief executive officers to get people again to realize
what the dream is and also to see that we're
making we're making inroads.

Speaker 7 (01:01:23):
It's not like he's just saying, hey, give me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
Another ten years and we'll be able to do this.
I mean you're already seeing. I mean, we had an
egg problem. He goes, we have an egg problem.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
He didn't think.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
About having an egg problem when he first got into office.
But look how long it took you know, Brooke Rollins
and the FDA to do something about it. And now
you know, egg prices are you know, they're affordable again.
But I mean it was crazy when he got into office, right,
just as one simple example, not to mention example.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Yes, yes, yeah, you know. The Constitution is a remarkable document.
I think everyone needs to be reminded that America was
the first country in all of human history. Think about that.
Think about being the first country in all of six

(01:02:13):
thousand years of recorded to human history. Of course, six
thousand maybe is stretching it on really really good recording.
But before Christ from you know, from you know, from
Moses Hahn, there's a pretty good recorded history. And there
was never a government that put the sovereignty in the

(01:02:34):
hands of the people. There was there was not a
government that looked to the people to to not only govern,
but to establish what their rights were, what their God
given rights were. That rights really came from God, not
the government. All other systems always basically put all the

(01:02:58):
power in the hand the government, and the government determine
what your rights were, right, Yeah, So for Americans, our rights.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Yeah, and here it is, you've got now the consent
of the governed. I mean, this really turned everything on
its head, didn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
It did, absolutely, But it's a it's a it's it's
a fragile system simply because there are bad actors that
will subvert a free society and they're you know, it's
problematic for an affluent country to remain vigilant because affluence
breeds a couple of things. One is that people begin

(01:03:34):
to think that the blessings that they have, that they've
achieved in their life came from themselves, right, and they
don't they don't really need God.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Yeah, and we see and we see historically every time
arrogance and greed comes into play, God's judgment falls on
their pumpkin head. And uh, you know these are you know,
past warnings, you know, and something that needs to be
remembered in the current day, right it does.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Yeah, I mean I don't you know, one could argue that,
you know, God is punishing America. I don't. I don't
just know. I think that reality is that when you
when you step away from God, you lose his protection
and then the bad actors can really have more influence
and control on the outcome of things. And that's what

(01:04:21):
we've seen in America, as we know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
The way I look at it is God is that
sometimes I don't think that God is you know, maybe
directly punishing as much as it is that God has
established universal law in his in his construct of creation.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
It's kind of like gravity.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
Right, there's law gravity, there's certain laws that are built
into the system, and if you violate those laws, you'll
be punished by the universal force of his design.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
That's right, he says, Well said, Bill Well said, And
that's the way.

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
That's the way I look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
So that yes, because I think that if we continue
in this and certainly God has interceded in times of
history when he says, hey, look at you guys want
to continue to defy gravity and do all these stupid things.
So now let's see if you can hear me, and
he comes in and levels his righteous judgment because God
is just and right, and he can only tolerate this

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even in his long suffering, only so long.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
And you know, many.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
People feel that we've really you know, have are really
asking God, you know, for consequences here, you know, And
and we may not get disappointed, because we deserve the
consequences of the sins that we have committed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Absolutely, and when you when you really take full stock
of the assaults on the American people, they are so manyfold.
You know, we have you know, we have a threat.
You know, our primary geo strategic threat to is is China,
but we have threats from the south from we're now

(01:06:05):
learning a lot more how Venezuela is really a locusts
of narco terrorism.

Speaker 7 (01:06:11):
Uh yeah, well said I like that locus.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Yes, you're right, yeah, uh, you know, and not only
narco terrorism, but they're the locusts of international vote fraud
exactly out of Venezuela.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
So, and and then of course we've got you know,
we we've we've got you know, the problem that we
face now is that we're having internal subversion. We brought
in so many illegal aliens. If you will illegal immigrants
who really don't have necessarily an affinity for America and

(01:06:48):
simply simply want to abuse the system. I mean, the
huge number of Somalis that got that came into Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
They they came in legally. You know, for the most part,
there's some illegal yeah there. You know, because of George Bush.
You know, we we opened up the gates, said okay, uh,
there're a persecuted class.

Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
We're gonna let him hear.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
But you know, the silly thing about it all in
which Trump brought up, you know again in a common
sensical perspective, is saying, you've got to consider where these
people came from.

Speaker 7 (01:07:16):
I mean, they came from a lawless nation. Now you're
going to bring them into a country that believes in
law and order. I mean, this is like the wrong gospel,
wrong church.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
And it's not like they're coming in and saying, Okay,
look at I'm gonna swear allegiance to America and I'm
gonna suddenly, you know, change my evil ways and I'm
gonna be I'm going to be lawful.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
I'm gonna be right. Well, I think I heard a
statement by home in about half the Somalis in Minnesota
are illegal. Okay, A lot more have come in since
the legal wave came in.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Through uh, through Bush.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Yes, yeah, and it's it's it's it's a major problem
because the bid the Biden years really exacerbated, uh, the
illegal population in the Maria kind of was done for
many reasons. It was done to change the demographics of
the vote. The Democrats were confident that they could win
that eventually they'd become voters and they'd vote Democrat because

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it was the Democrats that got them into the country
and gave them all these freebies and these rights, right right, So.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
As if we could afford it at thirty eight trillion
dollars in debt in counting.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Right, Oh, I know, don't don't get me started.

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Yeah, I know.

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This is just well, you know, this is what fires
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which is the woof and wharf in so many ways

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and miraculous stories. I mean, because you know, everything about
America is just a living miracle, isn't it, Scott?

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
It really is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
And the reason that I wrote the book, the book
is really about American history from the vantage point of
God's hand in American history from the very beginning, from
Columbus who discovered the New World, who opened up colonization,
and then we had the Reformation that took place in

(01:14:39):
the early fifteen hundreds that transformed Christianity, and it was
the reformed Christians who felt a calling to go to
the New World, and they likened, they likened their coming
to America, at least the Pilgrims and the Puritans to
the Israelites as fleeing the bondage of Egypt to go
into the Promised Land. They ma had the same language,

(01:15:01):
the same vision. And so it was that the early colonies,
you know, established the foundation for what came after that.
So all the thirteen Colonies were founded on Christian principles,
every single one of them. Christianity was part of the culture,
part of the early culture of America, and that culture

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was one of them, was probably the most productive culture
in human history. I mean the progress that was made economically,
industrial revolutions, scientific discovery, and so forth. It was on
steroids in America through the eighteen hundreds into the nineteen hundreds.
And you know, we still are a country of great innovation.

(01:15:44):
But you know, now we face real problems international sovereignty
because we've departed from God. We've driven God out of
our culture. So I think in solving our problems. You know,
one of the most important things we can do is
bringing about a spiritual awakening, a spiritual revival, if you will,

(01:16:08):
uh and uh, you know, it was very powerful. We
never could have defeated the British in the War of
Independence were it not for the great Awakening that preceded
that engagement.

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
There was no way that the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
The Ragtag, underfunded, undertrained, uh you know, uh, fewer in number. Uh,
you know, continental army could take on the greatest military
power in the world. But we did, and and.

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
We won, and we won.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
We ended up winning. So God's hand was in that.
But but we we desperately need a return to you know,
to an awareness that God is watching over us. You know,
if people feel that, uh, they that God is watching them,
they have a relationship with God, then they automatically do

(01:16:57):
the right thing in many circumstances. When you drive God
out of the culture, then there's no inhibition and there
aren't enough laws and regulations to keep everybody, you know,
honest and aligned. You really need a cultural spiritual support
that people feel and so they do the right thing

(01:17:20):
even when no one is looking exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
Well, the thing is is that you know, until the
people realize there is a God, that he does love
you and he cares for you, and there's clear evidence.
You know, historically, you go through as you just mentioned,
you go through the history of this great country, and
you see God's hand on this country time and time again.
But you need to be able to see it for

(01:17:46):
yourselves individually. This requires individual responsibility. You know, I can't
argue you in the heaven. All I can do is
point to the evidence of our you know, of our
presentation here to you say why God?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
And and when you when you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
Can see it and realize that it's more than why God,
that you need God desperately, then you will turn from
your wicked ways and you'll realize what is going on here.
I mean, it's the age old battle that started when
we were kicked out of the garden of Eden, and
that is a war against good and evil, and good

(01:18:24):
and evil exists today and that's what it is. You
either are going to be good, which is you're on
the side of God, or you're on evil. And you say,
I know some people may rackle a little bit when
you say you know the side of the devil. Well,
I didn't see myself as being the side the devil. Well,
you're not on the side of God. So whether you

(01:18:45):
say you don't want to be on Satan's side or
the devil's side, if you're not with God, you're against him.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Yes, yes, there's really not a it's not a neutral
not a neutral growth because of spiritual influence. That's that's
the true influence is very real. So when we're aligned
with with with God, you know, we get the benefit
of good spiritual influence and.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
All this stuff, I mean, brilliant ideas, innovation, maximization of resources,
all that. These are all blessings from God. When you
do it on your own, there's holes in your pocket,
you know, resources are falling out your pockets and your
penny loafers and everything, right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Scott, Yes, but I would remind everyone that, you know,
for those who still are skeptical, you know, you know,
God created us to find meaning and fulfillment in our lives,
and he created us uniquely. Everyone is very different, so
we all have different talents and different aspirations and so forth,

(01:19:49):
and the mixture of all of that is what makes
for a very dynamic creative society.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
But God, when you're when you're free when you're free
to express that said giftings and talents.

Speaker 24 (01:20:00):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Yes, it's all based on freedom. He created us to
be free and he intends for us to find meaningfulfillment
and joy. I would remind everybody everybody thinks that, you know,
life is all about the pursuit of happiness. That's in
the Declaration of Independence, and it is true. But I
like the word joy better because happiness is fleeting, you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
Know, based on a happening.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Right, But when you you know, when when your life
is in order and you feel the presence of God
in your life, you experience peace and joy that stays
with you. And it isn't that you won't have challenges,
but you've been able to deal with them knowing that
there's another side to that. And then it's just one
more phase of the training that God puts us through.

(01:20:48):
We get trained through difficulties in life. I mean, you
look at all the Old Testament figures. God put each
one of them through crisis and trial periods because they
needed to be trained. God was going to then use
them after it had grown through their trials. And so
when we have trials, recognized that it is really part

(01:21:10):
of the training so that we can go on to
greater things.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
Well, you know this is why James says, consider it
all joy whenever you face trials of all sorts, right,
and because that's what gets you through that trial, is
that you know, the joy of the Lord is my strength,
you know. And again another just nugget from the Word
of God that when you've lived that out and you

(01:21:35):
realize that you can have joy when you're in the deepest,
darkest part of a valley, right and you're faced with
the shadow of death and you still have joy. And
then everybody else is looking at you and going, are
you out of your mind?

Speaker 7 (01:21:48):
Scott?

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
And you go, I think I am. I think I
am out of my mind. I'm out of my mind
for God because I love him.

Speaker 7 (01:21:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Well, with visual awaking and revival, the best years are
ahead of us. Remember that they really are, you know,
you know, the evil one would want to convince us
that those years are gone, that we need a transformation
of our you know, of our society. That the next

(01:22:19):
stage for humanity is really a new global order, a secular, progressive,
AI driven global order that's going to be hell on Earth.
Let me tell you.

Speaker 7 (01:22:29):
Yeah, well it will come.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
The Bible says that it will come, and you already
see the infrastructure have said global order out there being
laid out. And so in the meanwhile, here we are today,
and we can be the fortification of this particular era
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of what their anchor is, and their anchor is God himself,
God Almighty, who loves them dearly and has got a
great plan and purpose for each of us to get
us through these inevitable storms that we'll be facing.

Speaker 28 (01:23:05):
Right, that's right, absolutely, Bill, Yeah, absolutely, Well, you know,
and the thing is is God like Scott and I
both we want the very best for you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
We want you to realize the best version of yourself.
And the only way that can happen, it's not going
to come from Donald Trump. It's not going to come
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the line. It only comes from one source, and that
is God Almighty himself, right, Scott, and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I think the Christmas season, you know, the Christmas thing
is is just a remarkable time and the world celebrates
at Christmas. In Buddhist countries, in Shinto countries in China
and Japan, they are not Christian countries.

Speaker 7 (01:23:46):
Really.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
There's a large number of Christians in China, but throughout
the world Christmas is celebrated. Non Christians are influenced by
Jesus Christ. You know, we set time before Christ and
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(01:24:08):
Jesus Christ was the son of God, the only son
of God, the only Messiah, and so he has influenced
the entire world. But we need to you know, we
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to make that an intimate part.

Speaker 7 (01:24:33):
Of our life. We want to have an exactly personal.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Relationship with Christ and then and then we can really
flourish as individuals.

Speaker 7 (01:24:41):
Amen. Scott Powell.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
He is the author, member of the Committee on this
Present Danger China, and a senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute.
Scott Powell, Merry Christmas to you, my friend.

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Thank Gry Christmas.

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Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Well, the holiday season is here, huh, and with more
people traveling and you know, gathering with loved ones, more
respiratory illnesses sadly will be circulating in the coming months.
So what do you need to know to stay protected
and healthy this season. Well, the one and only Samantha Picking,
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(01:28:55):
about how to stay healthy this winter and holiday season,
including what vaccines are recommended in other ways to protect
against respiratory viruses.

Speaker 7 (01:29:05):
Sam Welcome to Michelle. Good to have you with us.

Speaker 29 (01:29:07):
Thanks for having me today.

Speaker 7 (01:29:08):
Well, it tis the season.

Speaker 18 (01:29:10):
Huh, sure is.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Well, let's talk about this respiratory virus season so far
in what should people know or be on the lookout for.

Speaker 29 (01:29:21):
Yeah, I mean every year, common resptory viruses like flu
and pneumonia, they cause hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations and
thousands of deaths. And in recent years, activity really starts
to ramp up in December, and that's likely because a
lot more of us are traveling or we're coming together
for the holidays. So persony is I encourage everyone to

(01:29:41):
check out and monitor Walgrain's Respiratory Index. It's our publicly
available online tool attracts flu and COVID nineteen activity across
the United States. And we've developed this tool really to
provide actionable and accessible data so people can stay informed
and take the necessary steps to stay protected. And actually

(01:30:01):
looking at it now. While flu activity remains low nationwide,
there are a few states, especially in the southeast, that
are beginning to show increases. COVID nineteen activity has increased
across the Midwest, specifically in Michigan and Indiana, and we're
also seeing overall acute respiratory illness is beginning to increase nationwide.
We're all coughing or hearing people cough around us, and

(01:30:22):
oh yeah, the top spots in the Midwest, Northeast, Southeast.
So whether you're planning to travel or host guests this season,
the rest Story Index can give you that real time
insight into what's happening in your area or at your destination.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Yes, and the docs are saying it's it's kind of
the thriple the triple threat this season, right because you
got flu, RSV and COVID nineteen. They're all raising their
ugly heads. It comes with the season. And the other
thing I think to be mindful of, and I think
you might agree, is that, you know, because of the
stress of the season and we're trying to get so

(01:30:56):
much done in so little time, that really puts a
stress on our immune system, doesn't it.

Speaker 29 (01:31:03):
Yeah, I mean whether it's stress or just being busy
and just being out and about, it really does and
the biggest thing is to keep yourself protected. So, like
you said, this time of year can be very busy,
but again it's critical to take the time get your
annual flu shot. Consider it like your self care and
take that time and also recommended imanizations like the updated

(01:31:25):
COVID vaccine RSV pneumonia vaccines. If you haven't gotten vaccinated yet,
it's not too late. Like you said, we've multiple resptory
vaccinations and you should be protected. Based on my experience
as a pharmacist, the latest scientific data available, we know
vaccines are definitely the safe, effective way to prevent contagious

(01:31:46):
respiratory illnesses and getting recommendation your recommended vaccines can reduce
the severity of symptoms hospitalizations. It's also so easy to
get your flu shot or other vaccines. You can walk
into your local Walgreens and time today, or if you
want to plan ahead, you can schedule walgrains dot com
and the app or just call one it hud your Walgreens.

(01:32:08):
You can book appointments for up to four vaccines at once,
so just takes one visit and then The nice added
bonus is if you're shopping this season and you're getting
those last minute holiday essentials, we actually are offering twenty
percent off a purchase of twenty dollars or more with
any vaccine that you get if you're a my Walgreens member.

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
Oh wow, Actually, so you can get multiple vaccines at
the same time, then, is what you're saying that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
I hear you are.

Speaker 29 (01:32:31):
Yes, it's absolutely safe to get multiple vaccines at one time,
and for most people that's the easiest thing to do.
You can get one single appointment, multiple vaccines and just
get it done. That's what I do every year. I
get my flu in COVID shot and the same appointment
because I mean, like I said, we're all busy. It's
so hard just to get to one appointment. So you
can get it all done at the same time. In

(01:32:51):
addition to that, you actually can make an appointment for
up to four individuals together, so come in as a family,
check it off the to do list for everyone. Then
Walgreens pharmacists are available to counsel patients on the latest
recommendations and what makes the most sense for them based
on their health conditions. In the latest recommendations, right, So

(01:33:12):
how do they get you to slow down?

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
You know, being the pharmacists, You're running around with your
hair on fire, and you still find a moment or
two to where you can get vaccinated.

Speaker 29 (01:33:20):
Huh yeah, I mean luckily you pharmacists have it right
there in the fridge. So whether that's pausing for a
moment to get our shot and our technicians helping us
out with that, it's the most important thing.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Well exactly. How about giving a little bit more advice
on how to help reduce our chances of getting sick
during the holiday season?

Speaker 29 (01:33:41):
Yeah? I again, getting vaccinated number one most important thing
you can do to protect yourself in those around you.
Like I said, it's not too late. But in addition
to vaccination, also preventative actions that can help stop the
spread of viruses, like avoid close contact with people who
are sick, cover your nose and mouth when you sneeze,
wash your hands often, and avoid touching your eyes, nose,

(01:34:04):
and mouth. I also recommend if you're traveling this holiday season,
prepare a travel bag with essentials like hand sanitizer, disinfectant, wipes, tissues,
or any prescription medications you may need to have on hand.

Speaker 7 (01:34:16):
You know, I'm glad you brought up the idea.

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
It's more than the idea of it's been highly recommended
to be mindful of how often we put our hands
on our face, and I have been. This is driving
me nuts, Samantha, because I I, you know, it's just
one of those things that this season I'm more mindful
of and I'm trying to do And every time I
go to you know, just casually, I catch myself going,

(01:34:41):
don't do that right?

Speaker 29 (01:34:43):
So hard, especially if you're like you don't even think
about it when you're doing it, so you have to
catch yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Yeah, but that's why I also, you know, uh, hand sanitizer.
I mean, when I was growing up, we didn't have
a hand and sanitized. You have bar soap in the
bathroom or something, you know, that's it exactly. Now it's
readily available in them. I mean we used to call
those people germophotes, right who here growing up? And now
I am one, you know, but I still even have
to remember to, you know, do that more routinely, you know,

(01:35:10):
several times a day, using and taking advantage of little
things like this that will you know, help you, you know,
fight off these these viruses that are flying around this
holiday season.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Right exactly.

Speaker 29 (01:35:23):
Yeah, I know you don't even think about it, but
now I feel like I have hand satitizer on my
car by every sink throughout my house. So just keeping
those things on hand and making sure that you're prepared
so that you can stay protected is really key.

Speaker 7 (01:35:35):
What about recovery, what do you reckon?

Speaker 29 (01:35:37):
Yeah, I mean when you do chicken sho not fun exactly.
Staying hydrated, eating very important. But if you have Roundino's
or cough, I do recommend you can go to your
local Walgreens and tests for COVID or flu so you
can understand if you have one of those viruses before
you get together with family and friends for the holidays.
But also it can be such an unpredictable time of

(01:35:59):
year for cold to flu seasons, so gather your essentials
ahead of time, and you can stock up at Walgreens
like fever reducers, pain relievers, cox the pressens, humidifiers, and
at home tests. You can have them on hand so
you're ready when symptoms do arise. Also, vitamins and minerals
like vitamin C, zinc, silenium can support the immune system,

(01:36:22):
so you have those on hand. The best thing is
all of these are available via same day delivery from Wallgreens,
so it's super convenient. I use it all the time.
So whether you're sick, don't want to get out of
the house, you're home with a sick kiddo, or you
just want to avoid the crowds, you can order all
these right online and get them delivered directly to your door.
And the last thing that's most important is talk to
your Walgreens pharmacist or other healthcare provider before you take

(01:36:45):
any additional over the counter medications or vitamins and minerals
to understand one, what's the best way to manage your symptoms,
but also if you're on other medications or have a
certain health condition, what medications can you take?

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
Right while we're talking with Samantha Picking, she's a pharmacist,
a senior director of immunizations with Walgreens. Now you may
think that I may be faking my voice right now. Actually,
I'm only doing this just especially for Samanthas so that
it adds gravitas to this interview. No, actually, I was
mentioning to her earlier. I did catch a little bit

(01:37:20):
of a cold, but I think it came from Australia
because I was on the other side of it and recovering,
and then all of a sudden it snapped back at me.

Speaker 7 (01:37:27):
Samantha, what do I do?

Speaker 12 (01:37:30):
Well?

Speaker 29 (01:37:31):
Like I said, Hey, if you need your OTC items,
talk to your provisist. They can help you. But also,
if you want to get more information around everything we
talked about today, whether it's vaccine guidance, access to testing,
checking those virus trends, just head to your neighborhood Walgreens
or Walgreens dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
Samantha, you're awesome. Thank you so much for the advice. Well,
we'll stay healthy, keep our hands off our face, you know, sanitize,
you know, take advantage of you know, the sanitary wipes
and keep them near, use them often liberally, and get
plenty of rest and stay hydrated.

Speaker 29 (01:38:02):
Right, That's exactly it. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
Okay, take care of Samantha. Have a great one, great
have a great holiday.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
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Hey, welcome back. Good to have you with us.

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
Bill Martinez here and we've got Mark Beckman back with us.
Definitely looking forward to, you know, to this conversation. Hey, Mark,
welcome back. Good to have you with us.

Speaker 24 (01:42:57):
Thanks for having me, Bill, It's good to hear your
voice again.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
Well, hey, you know, you bring up something here that
inquiring minds are asking, and that is can the US
trust AI.

Speaker 7 (01:43:09):
With national security? That is a huge question.

Speaker 24 (01:43:13):
Yeah, it's a big time right now for us to
consider this. You know, as you know, I am a
person who is in favor of small government, and we're sitting,
at least from my vantage point, for somebody that really
is linked into the tech community. I believe that today
those individuals who are running these tech companies really have

(01:43:33):
more power than most, if not all, global leaders. So
it's a slippery slope. Government control could hurt us in
a few ways, starting for example, with the messaging. If
the government is controlling from a centralized perspective these large
language models and basically training these large language models, we're

(01:43:55):
starting to see where it becomes a slippery slope and misinformation, disinformation,
and frankly just inaccurate information is being reported. So, by
way of example, build there's an app that went to
number one here in America on the App Store on
the Apple App Store called deep Seek, which is created
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(01:44:18):
your audience takes a minute to try it out, and
they ask questions about the leader of China, Sijingping, Tieman Square,
that incident, or the Weiger slaves. Their response is very
different than the way you and I see the world.
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They see Tim and Square as never happening, and they
also see the Wiggers as not being slaves. They in fact,
the deep seq will say there is no slavery in China.
So that's the first issue. The second issue, which is
probably a more popular topic, is whether or not our information,
our data, and ultimately the hardware that's coming into play

(01:45:03):
now with autonomous vehicles, drones, humanoid robots and other types
of weaponry can be used against us. That's a big
issue too, And of.

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
Course we already saw a little taste of that when
Canada stopped the truckers, right and they stop their banking
capacity to their ability to interact with their banks and
get money. So, you know, centralizing power and subordinating our
freedoms to agencies like that, no bueno.

Speaker 24 (01:45:34):
Yeah, that's for sure. And remember again, like whoever's leading
from a political ideological perspective, it could hurt us. So
you know, we're moving away from like this demand for
electronic vehicles right now in our country. But I love
what you're showing with regards to Canada. Just to bring
it here though, imagine if we have you know, Joe
Biden part two after President Trump, and there's a big

(01:45:55):
push to limit the amount of electricity for evs that
people can use, or limit the amount of gas that
people could use, and the government blocks it through the
use of AI through machine learning. So then all of
a sudden, you and I, who believe we're free, we
could get in our car, drive around wherever we want.
We go to the gas station, we try to push
some more gas into our car, and unfortunately, because there's

(01:46:18):
a you know, Democrat leader in the White House, we're
restricted because the machine learning is seeing that we've used
too much gasoline. We've gone to that we've fulfilled our quota.
You know that we've hit the limit for the month.
That's really feasible that can happen.

Speaker 5 (01:46:35):
Well, Mark, you bring up something here, because we did
get a taste of that in terms of over regulation
and restriction by the Biden administration. As a matter of fact,
if they'd had the electronic infrastructure in which to do
what it was that their policies were doing, like restricting
you know, fuel and you know, playing games like that.

Speaker 7 (01:46:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
I mean, they would have created a lot more more
havoc in our country than what they already did.

Speaker 24 (01:47:03):
That's right, that's for sure. And then taking it back
to whether or not we want to trust these people
as it relates to the use of artificial intelligence and
driving that into you know, military defense systems and beyond,
it becomes scary, right, it really does become scary.

Speaker 7 (01:47:20):
Well, of course it does.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
I mean, right now we're having a big, you know,
discussion about a double tap on the water off the
waters of Venezuela, and you imagine if it's AI. I
guess that gives you more than plausible deniability. It wasn't me,
it was the robot.

Speaker 7 (01:47:36):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:47:37):
Well, that's an interesting point, but you know, at the
same time, we do need it. So Pete Hegseth, our
Secretary of War, made a big announcement this week with
regards to this new system that they're putting into place.
It's an interesting system and one of multiple features is
the idea that the AI, the machine itself, can have

(01:47:57):
the ability to react quicker and in real time than humans.
So that's going to play itself out on the battlefield too.
So that could be good for Americans. Right, we'll be
you know, if we're not leveraging the technology now, Bill,
if we're not leaning all the way in and investing
and leveraging the technology, we are in an AI war

(01:48:17):
with question with Ran and they're going to keep on going.
So you know, what Hegseth and these guys are doing
is important. And to have the ability to make, you know,
in the moment decisions, even if it is the machine
that could save our children and our children's children.

Speaker 7 (01:48:33):
Yeah, but it comes with a warning, doesn't it. Mark.
I think that's what you're saying. I am.

Speaker 5 (01:48:37):
We just can't wholesale, you know, surrender everything. But we
need to keep our eyes and be aware of what's
going on as much as the government will allow us
to be aware. That's the other issue is how much
are they going to hide underneath their sleeves here?

Speaker 24 (01:48:52):
We need some checks and balances built into the hardware.
There's a company I sit on the board of called
Extend Drones. It's our the number one drone company on
the planet. It's seen battlefield action already in Iran, in Ukraine,
in Gaza and beyond. And what the owners of that company,
that privately held company is doing. It's really interesting, is

(01:49:14):
they're building kill switches into the drones. So God forbid
some bad actor and some bad region gets a holder
of their technology, they have the ability to stop it
and protect people like you and me.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
Yeah, otherwise we're back to Sprock's Zarathustra and hew, it
goes maniac.

Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
On us right.

Speaker 24 (01:49:34):
Entirely, entirely. But you know, I'm of the school I
don't believe that we're looking at a terminator scenario. I
don't see the robots coming out to get us and
our family and our loved ones. I don't see a
moment in time where artificial intelligence will shift into what's
called AGI, where it's rational and it's able to make
decisions ahead of us and point weapons at us. I

(01:49:57):
just don't believe that. I think I might have mentioned
the to you before. I've said it a few times.
Similar to the way that a gun doesn't kill someone,
someone has to pull the trigger to kill someone with
a gun, AI is the same if it's going to
be used for bad purposes. To point weapons, to create
viruses and beyond it's a bad it's on the bad actor. Yeah,

(01:50:20):
we need to we need to behave responsibly.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
Now, well, you're exactly right, because like with any technology,
it can be used good or evil. And generally what's
behind that is it is a humanoid, right, I mean,
I mean, I don't know of anything that all of
a sudden, some nuclear bomb gets launched on its own.

Speaker 7 (01:50:38):
I haven't heard that happening, do you no?

Speaker 24 (01:50:41):
And we're I'm very grateful for that for sure, thank God,
for sure. But you know, there are bad actors and
things do concern me.

Speaker 7 (01:50:48):
So this week.

Speaker 24 (01:50:48):
Another big part of AI news this week is coming
through our relationship with China. You might have read about it.
Our president has allowed for you know, this incredible company,
in Vidia, the leading company with regards to hardware with chips, specifically,
to start providing their technology into China.

Speaker 7 (01:51:08):
The argument.

Speaker 24 (01:51:10):
Is that as a result, it's allowing for us to
get access to rare earth minerals, which we desperately need,
not just for our cars and devices, but for our
military equipment too. And furthermore, the chips that in Vidia
is permitted to sell to China is bringing new revenue
to the country, and they're not as advanced as they're

(01:51:31):
laden models exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
I was going to say they're somewhat held back a
little bit. Are they tied to any soybeans sales? I mean,
I want them to follow up on soybeans. I mean
they promised and say, hey, we'll give you the chips,
but we're sending barrels of soybeans along with them.

Speaker 7 (01:51:47):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:51:47):
Yeah, we're desperate for rare earth minerals with China.

Speaker 7 (01:51:51):
No doubt. But meanwhile we're moving We're moving along too.

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
I mean, I think it's projected that by next year
we could have manufacturing and be able to respond to
this blight of rare earth accessibility here in the country.

Speaker 7 (01:52:06):
What do you think?

Speaker 24 (01:52:07):
Yeah, I think President Trump is doing an amazing job
using the tariffs that he's set up to start cutting
deals beyond the obvious. Most people really see it as
a binary scenario unfortunately, and you know, I wish President
Trump and the Executive branch would do a better job
with messaging. They're not just using the tariffs to tax,
They're using the tariffs to cut new deals. And in

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a lot of regions, I think in places like China,
excuse me, in places like Brazil, in places like Argentina
where rare earth minerals are really really rich, but these
countries don't have the ability to extract them. We have
some technology that is advanced on that front. And America
is one of the only countries China and America. But
President Trump is doing a great deal in cutting these

(01:52:49):
foreign a great job at cutting these foreign nation deals
to get us access to new rare earth minerals. Coming
out of the fact that we're negotiating these tariffs, we're
going to see a lot of growth I think in
those categories too well.

Speaker 5 (01:53:03):
And the other thing too, Mark Beckman, is that let's
not forget the tariffsies utilize them to settle eight wars
so far.

Speaker 7 (01:53:09):
I mean, is that a bad thing?

Speaker 24 (01:53:12):
Look, you know, people Trump during syndrome is real people really.
They don't like his style, they don't like the way
he speaks. He's doing incredible things here, just not even
a year into it. And I heard this morning that
there are some places that are in our country, certain states,
where the gas price is below two dollars. That's like, yeah, exactly,
back to the future, right, So you know, he's doing

(01:53:33):
a great job. People just don't want to see it.
It's you know, unfortunately, Bill, we're living in a time which,
you know, if you don't want to like Trump, you
go against everything he does, even if it's good, even
if it helps your children. And if you do like him,
you know, in some cases it's blind faith. But if
you could just take a minute and look at the policy,
he's doing a great job.

Speaker 7 (01:53:51):
He really is, I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:53:53):
The thing that's hard for me, I mean, because like
you said, people are so ideologically fixed and suffering from
TDS that they find themselves standing on twenty percent of
an issue instead of a majority issue that sometimes is
eighty and ninety percent. There's such a clear common sense
position to be on, and it's like you almost have

(01:54:14):
to insist on being stupid just because you hate Trump.

Speaker 24 (01:54:18):
Bill, I call it, we're living in the age of
dumb where people don't want to apply logic, they don't
want to go and do the work to read and learn.
There's no deductive reasoning. And I agree with you. But
Trump's done a great job at finding those eighty percent
issues right where most of the people will get behind
him and he's running with them. But the guy works NonStop.

(01:54:40):
It really is twenty four to seven every single day
of the week, and you know, there's tremendous progress. People
just need to give everything a minute. A lot of
his financial policies, his economic policies, are going to kick
in after the new year.

Speaker 7 (01:54:51):
It's going to be great.

Speaker 5 (01:54:53):
Well, he's selling affordability. I thought that's what he sold
to get reelected. But he's got to go out there
because the Democrats have tried to all the Moniker but
he's the only one that has the receipts to demonstrate
that he is making America affordable again.

Speaker 24 (01:55:09):
Right well, I think so. I think right now. Messaging
is important coming you know, as we turn into twenty
twenty six, the midterms are going to be a big deal,
as you very well know, and messaging is going to matter.
There are some segments within the population that supported him
in a big way. For example, he had a massive
amount of the Hispanic vote. It was record breaking, but

(01:55:32):
that's been slashed in half according to the studies that
I'm reading right now. So he's going to have to
not just get his messaging up, but he's going to
have to bring a lot of these segments that voted
for him in an overwhelming way during the main election,
back for the midterms or else. It could be problematic.
And we need four more We need four full years
of Republican policy in Congress and in the executive branch

(01:55:56):
to make certain things stick. It's important well.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
Mark, as you says, is critical, and I think that's
why Susie Wilds is putting him in the Willie Nelson
buss and taking him product country. You know, you got
to get on the road again. Man, keep that messaging
out there. We got to leave it there. Mark Beckman,
author of Some Future Day how AI is going to
change everything even as we're speaking. He's the CEO of
Advertising Powerhouse DMA United, is also the creator of the

(01:56:22):
Milania AI audio book. Mark, thank you so much, Take
care of have a great holiday, all right, you too,
Thanks for having me.

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