The Bill Martinez Show 12 19 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 19 25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
our values, our politics, and our future.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
And now Bill Martinez.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Well, good morning, six minutes half top the R right now,
Bill Martinez here with Landmark Legals, Mike O'Neil. Hey, Mike,
good morning, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 5 (00:21):
How are you good? Good morning, Bill, Good to be
with you.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Well, A lot of whacking thats going on right now
from post to coast around the world, whether we're talking
La Australia, you know, the East Coast and Rhode Island,
just just amazing. It's like where do you start. I mean,
it's I mean, this is the season of joy and
peace and love, you would think, but it's like madness
is breaking out.

Speaker 6 (00:45):
I mean, it's it's it was a rough weekend. I
mean when you you you tune into the New Sunday
Evening and it's just this barrage of terrible things that
have happened.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
I mean, what happened in Australia is just.

Speaker 6 (00:55):
Awful, and I mean you can't help but think in Australia,
this is a country that largely condemned Israel, embraced Gaza
at least from a geopolitical global perspective. From my perspective,
it seemed like the government of Australia, the nation, the government,
the official position Australia was adopted, was largely sympathetic to
Gaza in their war against Israel.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Rather, you know, contrast that with the.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
United States, and as far as I can tell from
my perspective as an American, is largely hospitable to Muslims.
And yet you get this radical Islamicist who decides he
wants to start shooting up a Jewish event on BONDI
beach utterly abhorrent. And I mean, what other interesting nugget
about Australia is I think they have the largest, you know,

(01:39):
one of the most strict.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Gun control rights.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
I was going to say, exactly provisions in the Western world.
And you see how how what that got them?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
And also one one, well these guys, these guys had
six guns.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
So I mean, what does that tell you?

Speaker 5 (01:53):
It tells you, It tells you exactly. What we always
say about this.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
Is that the only thing that gun laws do is
prevent good people from obtaining fire arms. I mean, if
you're if you're gonna, if you're committed to committing a
mass atrocity. You're gonna do whatever you can to find
firearms to accomplish that, or whatever you have, bombs or whatever,
you know, homemade bombs or whatever you're gonna do if
you're and the only thing that happens is when you
have these strict gun laws is that people who who

(02:16):
believe in self defense and self carry and want to
protect their homes or want to go hunting or sporting
are denied their constitutional right. And thank goodness, in the
United States, we have the Second Amendment which protects this
and acts as a barrier to that, so people can
have firearms. I mean, think about this, you don't you
don't get away.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
If somebody tried to tried to do that in public in.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
Texas for example, or or or wherever wherever you have
robust protections of the Second Amendment, they wouldn't get two
seconds away before that comes.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
These guys were gunned down and praise it.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, a lot of these guys might upfront they would
just say, hey, we're not going to go there because
right exactly, I mean, yeah, you have the determined I mean,
you hear the stories time and time again. We talked
to doctor John Lott from the Crime Prevention Research Center.
All the time he says, hey, you know, the criminals
aren't stupid, you know, they they check all this stuff
out to make sure that, you know, they're not necessarily
going to go die dying in a in a halo

(03:05):
of bullets unless they've got some sort of suicide wish,
and there's some that do that. But in these particular cases,
what seems to be going on is they pick their
targets and here they are. I mean, you know, Bonde
Beach and I mean it's like a kill zone there
with two long rifles and all the cartridges that were
spent go ahead.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Yeah, absolutely, important, horrifying, terrible. It just I think it
goes to show that this is a radical ideology that's
committed to the destruction of an entire race of people
and ethnicity.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
I mean that radical Islam wants.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
To and this is this is endemic in the Middle East,
and we see this with Gaza and the October attacks
on Israel, that this is this is a philosophy that
wants to wipe out Jewish ethnicity, Jewish people, and by
by extension, also much of the Western world.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I mean, I was going to say, Western civilization in
the crosshairs and all this because that's what they're coming at,
because look at and they've used anti Semitism as a
wedge issue. This has been going on for decades, but
it really has increased with intensity. And of course we
saw all the signs Michael, whether you know, you're looking
at college campuses from the River to the sea, you know, Australia,

(04:17):
you know, like you say, you know siding with Gaza. Really,
I mean, come on, these are eighty twenty issues, So
what's what is going on here? And meanwhile in Rhode
Island you get the gunman. They're telling the people, hey,
don't say what he said, right, And of course now

(04:38):
we find out Allah akbar, you know, so it's like, okay,
all right, so how many more signs and indicators do
we need to see here? You know, so we're going
to be really on guard. But you know, we go
back to the bush years. Remember after nine to eleven,
we had to be overly sympathetic and compassionate, you know,
we didn't want to judge too quickly. And now look
what's happening.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
Absolutely, and I think that you could always see this
whenever the identity individual is.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
I was talking about this in another forum.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
Whenever the identity individual doesn't come out, I mean, give
me a break. We're talking about this is Brown University.
The surveillance systems in place there are second to none,
and reports of facial recognition. He went into a classroom
where the individual went into a classroom with dozens of
dozens of students, committed a murder dozens of witnesses. There's

(05:29):
clearly an identify there's clearly identifiers of this person. And
for you know, when the days tick, when the hours
and days tick by, without releasing the identity of the
individual who committed such a horrendous atrocity, you know what
boxes are being checked here?

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Right?

Speaker 6 (05:46):
If this was a conservative white kid, it would have
been out thirty seconds after the incident happened.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
There were as long as he wasn't aligned with their agenda.
This is the thing that's quite obvious because listen to
the leadership of the university. I mean, are they what
what is that telling you? I mean, and we were
told initially there was like eight hundred cameras. Now we
find out there's over twelve hundred cameras.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Of course, you know, of course it's always worse than
you think it is.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
And then if you have the the the press conference
is at least the initial one of the big ones
where I was watching, just became a train wreck. I
mean just no information, delays, obfuscation, It's just terrifying. And
what you have to do is in crisis communications efforts,
you want to get ahead of this. You want to
get as much out there as possible as early as

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you can, obviously within the parameters of conducting an active
criminal investigation. But transparency is the order of is the
watchword of the day for the most part, to ensure
that the American people, I mean that that were that
were protected. And of course this individual targeted this young lady.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Who was who was assassinated.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
I think we can again I believe calling this is
an assassination, like Charlie Kirk, if you're if you're if
somebody commits a murder based on political ideology for you
being now spoken leader of your particular ideology, then that's
that's a political assassination. So we see another political assassination
of somebody, a conservative leader on campus, God bless her.
I mean, imagine being a conservative or an outspoken Republican

(07:12):
on the campus of Brown University. Imagine the timidity that
that takes and the exactly so.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
God bless her.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
And I'm of course what we're saying, this is not
surprising to anybody who keeps their eyes open and pays
anything in this world.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, and when you read about her, boy, she was
a rather you know, she was a substantive individual, somebody
that you want to live a full life to contribute
to our society. The other thing to consider here, Michael,
like you said, in crisis management, part of the reason
you get out in front and get the information out
there so that it encourages the people to speak out.
And what they're doing is just the opposite, by their

(07:50):
resistance to put the whole truth and nothing but out there.
It's telling witnesses, hey, you better be careful here, right. Yeah,
it's just a form of examination, is it not?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Certainly?

Speaker 6 (08:02):
And it's it's it's predictive, and it's if you you
need to get with the narrative and speak the language
that we speak, and if you don't speak this language,
there's gonna be consequences for it.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
It's right, it's thought.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Mind, speech control, and it's all too prevalent on our universities.
Oftentimes the higher, the more prestigious the university, the higher.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
The speech code.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Thought police are are there, and this is this is
this is a terrible soup of things that terrible tragedy
has occurred, and then you see everything that that that
manifests from it. It's just awful and I feel terrible
for the students. I do feel student terrible for the
student body a Brown I mean, this is a terrible
thing to happen, imagine for everybody, but it'd be it
would be refreshing to actually see bold and aggressive and

(08:47):
strong leadership from the heads of these places, which.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, there's there's lots of sympathy to go around and round.
Like you said, you know by extension, not only Brown
University the population there, but but you know our country
at large, because this is an impingement upon our First
Amendment right and there's a reason that we need to
have freedom of speech and freedom of the medium, freedom
of press. We've got to go to quick break. We've

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got more from Mike on the other side.

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Speaker 4 (14:18):
Nineteen minutes right now after the top of the our
Bill Martinez here with the Landmark Legals, Mike O'Neill. Mike,
I guess just to put a bow on everything here.
I mean, you know, people need to be discerning as
to what's being reported, how it's being reported, and how
we're being conditioned to look at things, because, as you said,
something very clearly, and people need to understand this is

(14:42):
the attack on Western civilization is here. It's amongst us.
It's no longer existential, it is living amongst us. Especially
further exacerbated by the twenty million or so illegal immigrants
who we don't even know who came into this country.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah, and we' about this before.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
This is this the efforts that the Trump administration is
taking to and receiving enormous amounts of media attention, to
stop the flow of fentanyl into our country. To designate
fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction. By the way,
that just happened earlier. I think it was earlier this
week or lightly last week last week, So which is
which is a great step forward, the recognition that this

(15:23):
is there is a there are state actors behind this.
This isn't just criminal enterprises that are flooding our country
with this poison, with this weapon of mass destruction that
has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans or millions of
I think we could go to millions of Americans over
the past twenty years if you want to, just.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Extraction easily, easily and the thing is my interrupted here
just a second, and to bring you know, Rob Reiner's
story into play here, I mean, look at but for
the war on drugs or no war on drugs, you
have situations like what happened in Los Angeles and going Okay,
how many more of these do we have to have?
And you know, our children are being addicted and we think, oh,

(16:00):
this is just a rite of patent. I don't even
know what they're doing here. But you know, it takes
Donald Trump to finally say, Okay, we're gonna have a
real war on drugs, not just a banner up there
and give it some lip service because you know, too
many people are making too much money that we don't
know about. But meanwhile, our kids are are drug addled,

(16:22):
going crazy. We can't control them, there's not enough therapy.
And now here they are sadly killing their parents.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I mean, what an awful tragic event which happened out
there too.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Can we not connect the dots here? Mike, am I
missing something here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Certainly.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
And this is what I say here is when you
have and this is kind of what's been illuminated over
the past several months now with the Trump administration decided
they're going to allocate national federal military assets to address
this problem. And that's the proper response because you have,
as I said before, this isn't something where you just
have disparate cartels or criminal organizations operating independently from one another.

(17:02):
You have countries, nation states that are behind this, Venezuela
and China. Let's not let's not lose factors of the
fact that a lot of the base ingredients and a
lot of the base If you look at the cycle
of how fentanol and these poisons get into America, it's
not simply just a drug cartel in Mexico smuggling cocaine

(17:23):
up from Colombia or whatever. You It is China manufacturing
base ingredients, sending it to Venezuela, sending it up through
the cartels for distribution in the United States.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
It is it is.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
You have to nation state state actors behind this, and
as such, you need to have military state actions combating it.
Law enforcement, amen, they do as much as they can
do with what they have, but you have to escalate
this and elevate this, and you have to recognize and finally,
I've been saying this for years and years and years,
you have to recognize that that this is a clear

(17:56):
and present danger to the American people. How many Americans
need to die annually? Besides, before we start to actually
utilize the arsenal of democracy, that we.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Have to see exactly God I want to see this.
This is and shell water and so let's everybody, let's
hate Donald Trump for wanting to do something about it,
the first president who is really utilized, like you said,
the full force of our country's military and our might
to say enough, You're not going to come in and
kill our kids.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Absolutely, I mean I don't understand. If you have fentonyl.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
Flooding across the southern border, you militize, you militarize the border.
That is no different in my mind than al Qaeda
or Ice is smuggling a dirty bomb across.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
The Rio exactly if they were trying.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
If al Qaeda was trying to smuggle dirty bombs, you
would have special forces, you would have drones, you would
have everything in the world militarized on that southern border
to stop it. I don't just God bless it. Those
are clear threats. But those How many people have we
lost from terrorism in the past twenty five years? VISA
caught that number to how many people we've lost from

(19:02):
fentanyl and opioid overdoses.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Eighty thousand a year about the last ten years. I
mean one year alone is more than what we lost
in Vietnam at what eight nine years of Vietnam.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, that may be clear. I'm not minimizing the tragedy
of people who died, of individuals who died on nine
to eleven, and individuals who died in the wars. Those
are it's awful. I'm simply saying that it's that that
represents a threat to the United States. Similarly, fentanyl opioids
flooding into our country, distributed by cartels. And again, we

(19:34):
know this bill. We know that the cartels are national actors.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
There's state actors. We saw that this.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
General who's detained, who's imprisoned in somewhere Venezuelan general who's
imprisoned in a federal president in the United States wrote.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
A letter and he laid it all out.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
He said that there's that there are state actors that
are behind trend de Arragua and the cartels. These aren't
guys just operating independently of themselves. So so far so
that demands again I keep repeating myself, but it's important
to drive home this point. It demands federal military response,
aggressive federal military response. That's what we're thinking.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
And look what they're targeting, Michael, They're they're targeting the
kids and especially in these affluent communities, because these kids
have a lot of discretionary income. I mean, Michael, you
and I when we were growing up, we were lucky
to have ten bucks in our pocket. You know, these
kids walk around, you know, one hundred, couple of hundred
bucks whatever, an ATM card that their parent gives them.

(20:34):
I mean, you know, Rob Reiner's son had even though
he was homeless, you know, because of his dad's wealth
in that had a lot of money and accessibility. He
probably think if he looks back and thinks about the
amount of money that this kid spent and he's only
thirty two years old. I mean, so these these kids
are target you know, they're perfect targets for the cartels,

(20:57):
and they're able to get into them, get them addicted.
And here we are wreaking having I mean, it's just
like you know in Vietnam, and you didn't have to
kill anybody, but you just needed to wound. If you
could wound a soldier, that was great because then it
took two or three of the buddies, you know, it
took them out of action and neutralized their weaponry. So

(21:18):
that that's what the enemy has learned. And here we are.
I mean, we're being vulnerable to these uh you know,
these old plans. The other thing I will say, in
light of these dangers that are going on, I like
what Congress is doing and being very proactive about social media,
that they're seeing how powerful social media is and what
it's doing and affecting these young girls, you know, suicide

(21:41):
rates and everything else. So it seems like they're learning
something from what we have realized in the war against drugs,
I hope.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
So I think what the Rhiner situation demonstrates is that
no matter how and you were just intimate, you were
just suggesting that as well, no matter how privileged you are,
no matter what, no matter who your parents are, nobody
is beyond the reach of these this poison exactly, and
all it takes is the wrong And from what I understand,
I don't have I don't I've never had an opioid,

(22:11):
but from what I understand, it doesn't take much to
get hooked on fentanyl.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
I mean a dose or two and then you're you're hooked.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
With well, it's everything. I mean, you got the cornucopia
of drug addiction. You know, whether it's heroin, you know,
I know, every time anybody brings up cannabis, they kind of, oh,
it's not that bad, you know, whatever it is, Hey,
I don't care, you know, just like alcohol. And and
even if you if you have a predilection of an
addictive behavior, then you need to be aware of it.

(22:38):
I mean, even like in the recent reports, you know,
Susie wilds Uh said that Donald Trump and into his
own admission, agree that he does have an addictive behavior.
So the only way that keeps him from being you know,
acting it out is he stays away from the things
that would take him down that and that deep road
of addiction.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Right, yeah, certainly.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
And just to circle back to your last point about
social media, did hear an interesting thing on the radio
that there was somebody you know, there are party hosters,
right people parties or throw these party whatever the individual
was the party. The party hoster was having a technology
free party. You know, no phones, nothing allowed. Sold out

(23:18):
in a second. Seven hundred people, young people, of course,
there's younger people, these are years, et cetera. Sold out
in a second. And I think there's a yearning for that, right,
for a disconnect to technology and a connect, a human connection.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
And I think the gen.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
Z and the generation after them, the young one that
have largely come up without that necessary human connection. I
think they there's an inherent want and need for it.
So I think it's important that you talked about that
and touched on it, and that to the extent of
which we could continue to talk about that and promote
it is necessary for this because you see the damage
technology does and social media does on the minds of everyone,

(23:55):
particularly the most vulnerable, those developing minds, those folks in
their youth and teenage years in early twenties. But I
think that shows that, hey, maybe there's going to be
some sort of we re examination, backlash if you will,
of technology from young people and saying maybe we're going
to set this down.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
You're seeing it with schools, right, they're saying, hey, no phones.
Would you take the phones away from kids at schools?
The test score shoot up? So I think that's pretty
much established now. So that's going to be done.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
But well, I think you touched on something here because
it's a natural transition for your humanity to find balance.

Speaker 10 (24:26):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
And John Naismith in his book Mega Trends I don't
know thirty years ago or so, talked about is technology
would increase. He called it high tech, high touch, so
his technology would increase, then there would be a deeper
yearning for touch. To your exact point, and this is
what we are is that people are realizing naturally in
order to find balance. Is you've got to connect with humanity.
If you don't, I'll tell you we're talking. You know,

(24:51):
more suicides, more damage, more, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, we
got to leave it there until we talk again, Michael,
So appreciate your insight. Mike O'Neil, who is with Landmark Legal,
Thank you, Mike. Take care. Merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
My friend.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Merry Christmas to you too.

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Here.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Great to have you with us, sharing your part of
your day. For more info on the show, Bill Martinez
Live dot com. We've got the Manhattan based Fox News
contributor to Roy Murdoch with us. Now Hey to Roy,
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Meryor Christmas Bill good, fuck you.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Hey, always good to talk to you. You know, you
say Merry Christmas, and it's interesting because if you're in
a red state, they kind of answer you back, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Blue.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
They're a little sull in these days. I don't know.
Maybe it's just because they got a lot of cold
in their stocking. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Well, you get that, of course, you get digual happy Holidays,
which for me feels like a like a cold handshake.
I mean I always say merk Christmas, and here in
New York I say it. Actually elsewhere I say maryor Christmas,
Happy Honic, Happy New Year. I figure at least one
of them will apply. I never ever ever say happy Holidays.
It just sounds very cold and disengaged, in generic and boring.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, it's just it's like old school. I mean, we've
already tried that, it went through it, and the fact
of the matter is is, you know, people's attitudes during
that time, and especially I felt for you know, especially
these young kids and everybody is it's used to saying
Merry Christmas. That their corporations were forcing them to say,
well you got to say holiday. You know if you
if you say Christmas, you're going to offend somebody and

(30:24):
then your job could be reckoned.

Speaker 8 (30:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well they had that attitude. And the thing is, I'm not
a particularly ruthious person, but Christmas for me is all
about being with my family. It's about wonderful memories I
have of my grandparents cooking and having eggnog with them
and you know, being a little boy and opening up
the Christmas gifts and getting my train sets and so forth.
And when they want to take away Christmas, they're taking
all that stuff away from us. Whether you're a religious

(30:48):
person or not. I mean, I think we all share
memories of like that at Christmas time, and the all
I do, oh that's offensive. Well, there's nothing offensive about
me remembering, you know, being six or seven years old,
was getting a train set under the Christmas I mean,
those are those are good memories. We should cherish those,
whether you're a religious person or not. So you know,
if you find that offensive, maybe you shouldn't get on
and find a new hobby. As my sister likes to say, Yeah,

(31:09):
who was it?

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Was it David Spade or something that, you know, because
people were complaining, they were going to the malls at
Christmas time. They were complaining about it, you know, the
whole Christmas festivity and everything is hello, you know, this
is Christmas, I mean kind of thing is. It's like,
why are you, you know, trying to negate the obvious?

(31:30):
Like you said, you know, people have grown up. This
is family tradition and if you don't want to share
in that tradition, that's okay. You don't have to. But
you know, you can be a humbug if that's what
you want, or you know, be happy to be however
it is that you want. It's okay. I'm not offended.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, I agree with you. You know, I'm not Jewish, but
I say Happy Honic to my Jewish friends and it
doesn't diminish me or make me weaker or it cost
me money to do so. So you know, they're just
people who wake up in the morning they think, well,
you know, how can I find a way to be
miserable and make everyone und me missable? And unfortunately we
have millions of people like that, and they're just they're
not contempt unless they're making everybody around them unhappy. And

(32:06):
that's just really sad and kind of a complete waste
of time and energy and a really terrible way to
live your life.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Yeah, that's like wanting to spend an afternoon with the
View or maybe Rosie O'Donnell. I mean, it's like you
come away and you need therapy. I mean, here you
got the other day, you know, poor Whoopie. You know,
she's launching off at President Trump because he didn't talk
about Brown University or he didn't talk about Australia, and

(32:31):
then they go to quick break and she's taught that
always a matter of fact, the President did. So then
she had to come back and kind of give a
side mouth apology for not being aware that President Trump had,
in fact, you know, mentioned the Brown University shooting as
well as what happened in Australia and sent his condolences

(32:54):
and feelings about it, you know, to the nation and everything.
And so I mean, these people just go around and
they're just, you know, so uncivil that anything triggers them.
De Roy, I mean, how sad, you know, I feel
for Whoopy, I feel for Rosie. I mean, Rosie's just
I mean, she's got Trump derangement, says, syndrome so bad

(33:16):
that it's gonna it's probably gonna take her a decade, uh,
you know, to find some kind of balance in her
mental life.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, you're right about the derangement syndrome, which is something
these people have, and it's it's only worse I think
in the second administration that's possible. Uh. And also you
point to this idea or this effect of Whippy saying, oh,
Trump didn't say about Brown University of the Australian massacre,
which is so so brutal and horrible and just tragic
in so many respects. I'm sure Whoopy Goldberg has at

(33:44):
least one or two staffers, if not the entire staff
of the View, which is probably in the dozens. What
would have taken her to say? Could you guys just
look up real quick on the internet see if Donald J.
Trump said anything about Brown and about the Australia thing.
Maybe didn't, then great, you know, hit him for it.
But you know, if the staffer comes back thirty seconds later,
go yeah, here's his Twitter comment or here's his comment
on truth social or here's a clip from the White

(34:05):
House where he said it. Then she'll say, all right, well,
I can't attack him on it, and she can either
praise him for it or just not even mention it.
But shees just mords this stuff out. Doesn't do ten
seconds of homework, doesn't do you know, five seconds of preparation,
blast us out on live television on ABC News The Views,
an ABC News program, by it way, not entertainment, not
very good entertainment. It's technically a news show. And so

(34:26):
she just you know, spreads fake news across the country
to millions of people and then has to come back
and apologize. And I'm sure that people who had things
that do turn off the channel had to go go
back to work, go to work whatever, and think, oh
my god, Trump never said anything about Australia and Brown.
What a mean, nasty, disgusting guy, when in fact he
did so. Again We've discussed this before. These democrats so
often just run off and invent things and say things

(34:47):
without any basis. And it's one thing if it's a
complex topic that requires a lot of research and you know,
digging for facts and figures, but you know, you put
on Google Trump comment Brown University, Australia, and instantly you'll
get the and you either hit him if you don't
said anything about it, or or say that you realize
you did and then neither mention it or just move
on to something else. But these guys won't do won't

(35:08):
do you know, ten seconds of research to figure this
stuff out. And you know we learned in junior high
high school, you know, the newspaper class. You know, check
your facts before you run out and say the stuff
in public. And these guys just cannot do that. It's
tonn well.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
They have the same fact checkers as Jasmine Crockett. Could
you imagine th Deroy if you were the producer of
the View. I mean I can just picture him banging
or her banging her head, his head up against the wall,
going oh we're gonna get sued again. We're going to
get to again. You know, go to commercial and it's.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Like click clean up on ale, whoopie, you know, oh
my gosh.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
I mean it's like, uh, it's unbelievable. But it's just,
you know, again, the lack of civility. This is where
we are. And I keep thinking, Okay, when are we
going to have enough to where, uh there can be
some reason in our country or is it just one
day We're going to turn on the TV and Whoopee
and Joy and everybody's head's just going to explode live

(36:03):
on television. They just like you.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
You know, I just did this. I just googled Trump's
statement Brown Australia. I had return and literally within four seconds,
the first thing I see President Trump addresses Bondie and
Brown shootings. That took me four seconds. They didn't do
four seconds of research on this, right, Well, believe the dell.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Is, well, the Dell is you can't control Whoopee. You
know Whoopy's got, you know, her fan or fifties on
her hip and she's just firing away. And especially if
anything with Trump, you know, like you said, CDs. But
you know, kind of sad, what a waste of talent
and uh you know, a waste of airtime that you
would contribute this kind of delusion, you know, to the

(36:43):
American people, because it doesn't unite us, and especially at
a time in season when you want to peace on earth,
good will to men, right.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, you would, I mean I can't sep It was
calmed down for two seconds. They seemed capable of either.
If they can't say ay nice about anything nice about
the president, to talk about something else. There a lot
of other topics, happy topics, serious topics, and they've got
to go off and again make stuff up, invent things.
I mean, if they're I want to present criticize President Trump,
there's lots of stuff you can say. I was not

(37:13):
very happy with this comments about Rob Reiner and attacking
somebody and making me mocking the maspry after he's been
killed by his own son slashing his throat. I mean,
he doesn't get much worse than that, and then of
course his wife being killed too. I wish President Trump
had not made the comments he did. You want to
criticize them about something, criticize him about that. But again,
oh my god, he didn't say hm about Brown in
Australia and he did and again took me four seconds

(37:34):
on Google to find that. I mean, it's amazing. And
she's got more staff than I do. I mean, she
I'm sure she's got at least three or four people
who do just work for her and take care of
whatever her needs are. And she's not able to make
that happen. That's just malpractice, is what it is.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
No, it really is. And again it contributes, you know,
to this delusion that we have in the country that
you know is it seems because with anti Semitism and
everything that's going on right now, I mean, they're not
getting it. They're not seeing any kind of contribution or
affiliation with their words and the stuff that's going out there.

(38:11):
I mean, the reverberations of their language, you know, is
running deep right now. And a country that you know,
here we are with a lot of immigrants that we
don't know what is driving them. You know, they can
feel justified to do just about anything because you know,
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(38:33):
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Speaker 1 (38:34):
Well you're right about that. And you saw what happened
in Australia, which was a horrible tragedy and killed fifteen
people into twenty four or something like that at a
Honka celebration. Here we are in the orchestra. A couple
nights ago, a couple of Orthodox choos were on the
subway and they were attacked by a couple of black
Euyes who were makmucking fun, making fun of them and
mocking them and attacking them and all this and I

(38:56):
don't think those guys have been caught. So this is
not just an Australian problem happening in this country. We
see the number of antisubmitic attacks going up unfortunately, a
lot of surveys where people are not only becoming anti Israel,
but carrying that on, becoming pro homoster and even beyond
the becoming anti Jewish. So this is a very very
serious problem and we need to get a handle on this.
I think it's going to get super super ugly in

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Hey, welcome back, fourteen minutes before the top of the hour,
Bill Martinez here with Roy Murdoch in the Manhattan based
Fox News contributor.

Speaker 15 (43:32):
You know, JEROI was.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Interesting because, you know, speaking of the anti Semitism, you know,
Australia embraced Hamas, you know, and so they really kind
of contributed to this, you know, this violence towards Jews.
I believe just by their own I mean, this wasn't
just a couple of people, and this is this was
Australia's leadership embracing Hamas over Israel.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, that's right, and I believe Prime Minister net Yahoo
of Israel contacted the Prime Minister of Australians. And if
you back Amas and recognized the Palestinian authority, you're going
to have more in Semitic attaxes. It's going to reward
Hamas for their massacre of October seventh, and just in Bolden,
anti Semites and people are anti Israel. And eventually, not

(44:18):
just in terms of the Rhetorican comments, but in fact,
as we saw a few days ago, these two guys,
father and son. What a great father and son project.
Get some guns in open fire and kill fifteen people
in twenty four injured twenty fourth the samic Otica celebration.
So this is the kind of These are the results
of people backing Hamas. And by the way, if Australia

(44:39):
wanted to recognize the Palestine Authority, et cetera, the least
they should have done. I say, look, we'll do this,
but in exchange, we want to release a number of
hostages or send back some dead bodies or something. This
also happened in England or in Great Britain Prime Ministers
Starmer also back to the idea of Palestinian state. I mean,
if the UK this is very you just have the

(45:01):
United Kingdom back the idea of a Palestinian state again,
why not say look, we'll do it, but we need
you to let smasses out or send back some dead
bodies or get something. But this whole left wing notion,
I guess it's part of the giveaway culture. Just giveaway
stuff for free and expect nothing in return. Really stupid
and the wrong thing to do, and the wrong thing
to do at the worst price, which is to get

(45:22):
nothing in return for that sort of.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Behavior, well exactly, you know, you mentioned, you know, the
horrific murders of Rob Reiner and his wife. And one
of the things that's not being reported on at all whatsoever,
which I think is just a huge discrepancy of the
mainstream media, and that is Donald Trump is the only

(45:44):
one that's doing anything about the war on drugs, you know,
and the Reiner family is just one of another of
the million stories in this naked city of drug addiction,
and that all the you know, all just the and
you know, lift service to a war on drugs. And

(46:05):
Trump is the one who constantly is defending life, whether
it's life in Israel or life in Ukraine and Russia.
You know, too many people are dying. Too many people
are dying now. People are dying here. And it's fentanyl
and it's heroine. It's drugs that have been going on
for decades that are killing our kids. And now it's
not bad enough, it's killing our kids. Now it's killing

(46:26):
the parents of the kids. And you know, this is
all it's all contributory deroi and they're not seeing the
connection here. And Donald Trump, thank god, it's taking a
stand saying look, it. If you're going to do harm
to our country, then I'm going to blow the holy
hell out of the water with you.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Okay, yeah, absolutely right, as well he should. And as
you say, the death toll in this is extraordinary. The
number of people killed by setting all in this country
is somewhere in the ranger or somewhere in the near about
seventy thousand a year, seven zero thousand. That's some more
dead bodies in one year. Then there were fifty than
there were the number of body bags that came back

(47:03):
with American gis in them during the Vietnam War, which
is around fifty eight thousand over a ten or fifteen
well probably about a fifteen year period, something like this.
Seventy thousand a year over one year versus fifty eight
thousand over like twelve to fifteen years. That's the scale
of this thing. And yes, President Trump is doing something
about it, pressuring the Chinese not to send the precursors
of fatanyl into Mexico. It gets cooked up and sent

(47:25):
across the border, or it was until the water closed,
thank god. And now these folks are bringing drugs in
on these drug boats. He's blowing up the drug boats
there's a very good comment by Senator Tim See of Montana,
who I believe is a former Navy seal, not mistaken,
And he's asked the Democrats, right, you don't like the
drug boats being blown up? What's your alternative? Do you
want the Navy seals to go in and interdict the boats?
And he said, interdicting a boat on the high seas

(47:46):
while it's underway moving forward is one of the most
dangerous types of military intervention because these guys obviously armed,
they see a helicopter coming in with a bunch of
Navy seals on it, are they going to surrender?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Now?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
They're going to get their guns out and open fire
on these these people, right and if they know, if
they get the water and try to get on board
the ship, they're going to get the guns out and
get the knives out, and you're gonna have, you know,
dead Navy seals in the water. Is this what the
Democrats want? Is this what the people who again because
of trumped arrangement syndrome, attack anything and everything he does.
That's their alternative? Then just be ready for a bunch

(48:18):
of body bags coming into Dover, Delaware with Navy seals inside.
Of them and then crying and grieving parents of these
very brave usgis when they come in and have to
be prepared for military funerals and taps to be sounded
on bugles over their caskets. That's what we can look
forward to. If these people insist that we read these
read these folks the Miranda rights, and I guess get

(48:41):
ready for the a CLU lawyers to defend them. And
I don't think they'll get that far because they'll end
up with gunfire on the I Seas and by deaths
on both sides anyway. So I don't think that approach
is going to save a lot of lives, despite you know,
all these people coming out screaming, kneeling about these strikes
on these boats.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
You know, it seems to be consistent deroy that the
Democrats and I and I hate to penan on them,
but it just seems obvious that they have no idea
about rules of engagement. They have no idea about conducting
a war. You know, just you know, whether you're talking
about Joe Biden, Barack Obama, just go write down the
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(49:20):
that you put the generals in charge, you empower them,
let them go and do what they do best. They
go break things up, they kill people, and they get
people to the bargaining tables so that peace can reign.
The Democrats think that they can negotiate themselves out of it.
And this is why, you know, the war on drugs
has become a fiasco. All this chaos that we're dealing
with right now, you know, sex delusion and everything like that. Affordability,

(49:45):
you can pin that on Democrat policies. These blue states.
You're writing an article about more tax on tips, blue
states undercutting new federal tax cuts. I mean, they just
can't stand it right.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
No, don't seem to be able to leave anything alone
that might except President Trump. The Republicans look good. I
have a piece in the Daily Signal and the headline
is more tax on tips, Blue states on undercutting federal
tax cuts. And what we've seen right now is the
states of Colorado, Illinois, Maine, and New York where I am,
are basically trying to undercut the no tax on tips,

(50:22):
no tax on overtime, and no tax on sold security benefits,
and even some of the business tax reductions. DC local
governments doing this, And basically what they're doing is normally,
when you have a federal tax cut, the state and
local taxes are adjusted accordingly. And what they were saying, well,
you know, on your federal taxes, you'll save this money,
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(50:45):
on your state taxes in New York and Illinois, Colorado,
and I believe the DC local tax you have to
take that tax cut and added back as income into
your taxable income for those three states and for actually
four states and for Washington, d C. So you know
what Trump giveth at the local take it the way
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(51:06):
in Illinois the same thing, so and in Maine, and
then also in Washington, d C. So this is Democrats saying, look,
we don't want to give Trump any credit for making
life any more affordable affordable for people, while they also
scream out of affordability. We're going to make sure that
this tax good is something we're going to put back
into text taxial income and tax at the state level
and give people less money that they need in order

(51:27):
to pay their bills, by their groceries, purchase gasoline to
and from work, et cetera, et cetera. So again it's
just the Democrats. Grab, grab, take, take, take sticky figures
is just another example of basically Democrat political creed.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Well, this is what uh, you know, leads people to believe,
and it's the Democratic Party. You know, there is such
a thing as thou shall not steal, and the Democratic
this is this is thievery. They're stealing from its own citizenry.
And the citizens need to wake up and smell the
coffee here and go, hey, enough of this stuff and

(52:01):
start doing you know what Starmar's facing in England right
with the farmers going, We've had enough this stuff. You're
not going to steal us into oblivion.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, they should, and people ought to be aware of
if they don't feel the full effect of the Trump
GOP tax cuts from the one big beautiful bill. Who
one big beautiful tax because I'm calling it, you know,
call your governor, call your mayor. If you're in Washingt, DC,
you could call these Democrats who are not letting people
enjoy the full benefit of these tax reductions, which they
earn at which they've earned through their hard work and

(52:32):
through all of their sacrifices they make on a daily basis.
And it's the Republicans trying to put more money in
their pockets, and it's the Democrats type trying to take
the same money out of their pockets all over again,
which is really about the only thing that and probably
racial division and advocacy of public violence, those about the
only the only things that the Democrats do well anymore.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, if you can't call your governor, call you haul.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
If you can't call your governor, call you haul and
head off to the free states of Texas, Tennessee, and Florida,
where people out and after the income tax and get
the get the full benefit of this this federal tax
cut and then no no state income tax built from
the from the governor's Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
There's going to be such an obvious imbalance here there
already is just between the blue and red states. Every
time you look at whatever you know, uh, whatever undergirds
the economy, you see, you know, it's a it's a
it's two state madness here. You got the Blue States
and the Red states. The Red States are happy peace

(53:29):
on Earth. They're enjoying their Christmas and the Blue States.
It's a blue, blue, blue, blue Christmas is Elvis.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Was saying, right, Yeah, that's exactly right. And another example
of this nonsense. I just spoke with the fellow Fox
News contributor Jonathan Hoenig and the Green room downstairs waiting
for Stuart Barney show. He lives in Chicago, and he's
telling that they raised they just they just raised the
tax on his parking spot. Uh so the parking tax
has gone up. And I said, well, Jonathan, but you're
getting them. You know, they warm up your your parking

(53:57):
spot there so your car stays warm. And sure they
painted the line so you have a better parking spot.
He said, no, it's the same thing. So it's the
same piece of tar. They're just charging you more money
for having that piece of tar in Chicago. And Brandon
Johnson's maybe possibly the worst mayor in the country, and
there's a lot of competition for that title. There is
again racing taxes on people in Chicago. What people say,

(54:18):
you know what, I've had it. I'm off to Florida,
I'm off of Tennessee. I'm moving to Texas. And the
responses Okay, how can we keep you here? Can we
let you keep a little more money? No, The responses are, okay,
we're going to take more of your money, make your
life more miserable. Will also crime is rampant, and you
know why be surprised when people, as you say, call
you haul, pack up their things and off they go
to the South where they can save money and also

(54:39):
probably live safer lives well.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
And the unfortunate thing is the media, of course, is
going to focus on these blue states and talk about
the lack of affordability without even citing the policies that
the states are enacting, because that's what they do. I mean,
like anything. You know, when anything is subsidized, you know,
the buzzards come out and the state is you know,
they got to get their big right.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Off the top right absolutely, always, always, always get their share.
Government always gets the share because you know, if you'll
give them their share, look put you in jail. You know, Walmart.
Walmart can't do that. Best Buy can't do that, Whole
Foods can't do that. But if you don't give Brandon
Johnson or Kathy Hokle or god forbid, Kevin Newsom their

(55:22):
their their share of whatever they're screaming for. You know
they handle they respontted up by throwing you into the clink.
And you can think about think about tax cuts while
you're behind bars.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
And and and think about a new residence in zip
code that you'd much rather live in because the doors
are open here Florida and Texas and Tennessee, uh and
uh and a lot of red states that you know,
where the people are enjoying a very merry Christmas and
that's what we want for everybody. Jeri Murnas is always

(55:54):
a very merry one for you and the family. Thank
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Speaker 2 (57:12):
Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Welcome morning, and welcome. Six minutes after the top of
our Bill Martinez here with my good friend pastor Lucas Miles.
We're gonna talk about his new book, Pagan Threat, Confronting
America's Godless Uprising. But before we do, first of all,
welcome Lucas. Good to have you back for this has
been a minute.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Thank you, Bill. Always good to see you.

Speaker 26 (57:35):
You're one of the best out there at honor be
on the show.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Well, you're very kind. I must say this at the
opening and people know, most people are aware that you
were associated with Charlie Kirk and with Turning Point Faith,
and you know, and our hearts remain heavy as God
takes us through this period of grief and mourning and

(58:00):
renew them because that's one thing God, God just won't
allow the static to stay there. Right.

Speaker 26 (58:06):
Yeah, it's been it's been amazing the ground surge of
support that we have felt. I've been the senior director
of TPUSA Faith. I oversee all the faith operations within
the Turning Point ecosystem, and it is it's been incredible
to see what God has done on the other side
that's filtered through the lens of grief and and of
course all of us, you know, within Turning Point and
everybody that loved Charlie dearly have been so impacted.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I've said before about.

Speaker 26 (58:31):
Charlie that you know, Charlie dying was almost like a
million people dying because of the impact that he had.
And you know the way it affected so many individual families,
even if they didn't know him, he was part of
their family. Everybody owned a little bit of Charlie Kirk
and and just he was so he was so charismatic,
drew people in. You know how many of us watched

(58:53):
him and said, that's what I wanted to say in
that conversation. I could have communicated that to my friend
and my sister, or my brother or my dad, whatever
it was, or my neighbor. And you know, Charlie just
became part of all of our lives. And I don't
think that, you know, people fully realized the rich treasure
that we had in him until fully until he was gone.

(59:13):
And I think we're still recognizing the void that that
is created in this world. But God's faithful and he
is raising up so many that are standing strong. On
my email box can prove it. I've got just so
many inquiries from people. We're filtering through those as fast
as we can. It's been absolutely amazing to see just
this revival on the other side of this deep loss.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Well, Lucas, like any organization, it's about the people, and
Charlie Kirk attracted great people such as yourself. I mean, talented,
gifted speakers, insightful individuals of all ages. I mean when
you hear or see someone from the organization interviewed. It's impressive.

Speaker 26 (59:59):
Charlie gathered people that I think had similar DNA and
makeup to him. We not all the same gifts, I mean, certainly,
and Charlie was unique. I mean he was a once
in a generation mind, as many people have said. I
agree with that, But there was there was these other
attributes I think that Charlie looked for. He looked for
somebody who understood what I call grace plus hustle. They

(01:00:20):
were grateful, they knew that all of this came from
the Lord, but they were willing to put in the time,
and they were willing to work harder than anybody else.

Speaker 17 (01:00:28):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:00:28):
All it would take Charlie to say to the staff
would be like, hey, guys, let's get this, let's do this,
let's dream bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:00:34):
He would just have these short phrases at times that
he would send you or communicate to a team, and
it was enough to get everybody go, yes, we can
do it, and you just instantly believed it because Charlie
said it. He was so so motivating, He just maximized
everybody around him, brought the absolute best out of them.
I was I'd like to think I was a decent
leader when I came to tposa faith. Charlie made me

(01:00:55):
a better leader in the last eighteen months that I
was around him, you know, intimately, and and I will
be forever grateful for that. Was the honor of my
life to serve under him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I bet.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
And you know, you look back in the rearview mirror
and you see what he did when he started at
eighteen years of age. I mean, you talk about a
legacy and a track record. I imagine initially when he
was saying, Hey, we need a dream, bigger, we can
do this, and probably some of the people go, yeah, okay,
that's just Charlie again. But then you get down the
road and you're going, hey, yes, don't even think twice,

(01:01:27):
because you've already proven yourself time and time and time again.
And that seems to be the consistent message and the
evidence of turning point USA.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Right.

Speaker 26 (01:01:38):
Yeah, he just had a way of doing what he
said he was going to do. I think, you know,
a man of absolute integrity. What he preached, what he proclaimed,
what he said, he made it happen, you know. And
I think that's one reason why I think our donors
have been so supportive of us over the years. Is
because when Charlie said we're going to do this, they
knew he was going to do it. We saw that
with the twenty twenty four election. And you know, the

(01:02:01):
amazing thing and I think where I'm very you know,
confident still in the future of t POSA and t
POSA Faith is that Charlie developed a very deep bench
the organization and you know, not everybody's name is known,
but you know Turning Point and Turning Point, you know, USA,
Turnpoint Action, Tpuosa Faith, all the different you know arms
that Charlie put together. Here there's just great people through

(01:02:23):
these companies that are fully committed. The resolve is higher
than ever and it's the same machine that was supporting
Charlie this whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
And so that machine isn't gone.

Speaker 26 (01:02:33):
You can try to, you know, strike down the general here,
but I'll tell you what this this this army is
going to rise up. We're going to keep doing the
work of God. We understand ideologically there's a major battle
to fight and committed to seeing it through well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
And that was the spiritual battle that you and I
have discussed and we're going to talk about it. And
it's you know, evident in your new book as well.
You know, the people are are rising up, and you know,
I think so many people out there because they didn't
have the wherewithal. You know, the Bible says, if you
don't have the foundation for spiritual things, you're not going
to understand spiritual things. A lot about Charlie was spiritual

(01:03:10):
because he knew, yes, we could talk about practical things
and discussed in the marketplace about you know, about the
dissatisfaction you may have on the college campuses, but he
knew at the very root, your restlessness was not going
to be rested until it rested in the heart of Jesus. Right.

Speaker 26 (01:03:32):
Yeah, Hey, everything that Charlie did, I think his faith
was a foundation layer to it. It was undergirded all
of his political views, all of his social views. He
could debate them in the public square, and sometimes he
would say on college campuses, hey, if you don't want
to talk about Christianity, we can just talk about this
from logic or reason, and he would do just an
excellent job navigating that. But he understood that I think

(01:03:55):
that his biblical faith is faith in Jesus Christ. Was
that underlayment for all these other views that he held.
And it was because of his faith in Jesus Christ
that he understood, you know, national sovereignty, personal responsibility, sanctity
of life, that he understood the value of being a
self learner. You know, all these things were you know,

(01:04:16):
really girded in you know, biblical teaching, kind of a
proverb's you know, coming to life, sort of a reaction.
And you know, Charlie was so unique, and I'm just
grateful for him. His legacy is going to live on
for a very long time, probably one of the most
videotaped human beings ever to live on the planet, and
We've got content for decades to come. I'm convinced that

(01:04:36):
the world's going to see.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
I'm waiting for the Naval Academy to say, how did
we let him get away?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
I mean, but thank God, you know, in a sense,
because well, God's in control. So the Naval Academy though
it was an aspiration for him and a dream that
he had, God had a better plan for him.

Speaker 26 (01:04:56):
You know, I'll let somebody else on our team actually
verify that, but I believe that earlier this year he
had an opportunity to go to speak to I think
the board at the Naval Academy. I could have that wrong,
but I'm pretty certain that's the case. And so God
ended up bringing that full circle where he was able
to go there and present some things to them, speak
out about stamping out wokeism and really the importance of

(01:05:17):
high military standards and these things, and so you know,
it's it's it's awesome to see that, you know. I
think in many ways his dream did come true where
he was able to be at the top of that
and influence people, and and God used him in so
many just prolific ways, you know, throughout his life well,
and you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Have to look in terms of his inspiration, as you
mentioned the impact it had on Pete Hegseth. I'd say
even Bobby Kennedy Junior. I mean, you know what we're
doing now with the the you know, the Defense of
war now not the defense but the War Department, and
you know, and them getting in shape and raising the

(01:05:55):
level for each other. I think it's a positive thing.
And we can blame part of that on Chure, I
think one hundred percent. Yeah, without a doubt. We got
to go to a quick break. We've got more from
Lucas Miles on the other side. Stay with us.

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And we're back with you nineteen minutes after the top
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He's also with Turning Point Faith and a pastor of
influence influence church, right, Yeah, and everything continues to go well.
So I want to talk about the pagan threat. Why
why this book and why now?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:11:06):
So I've reritten a couple of books on exposing Wochism
specifically within the Church, the Christian left and then Woke Jesus.
And you know, as I was processing through these these books,
and I'm very thankful that the past books have done
quite well, I recognized that that Christianity was a good
short term vehicle for Wokeism, but not a good long
term host. And what I mean by that is Marxism

(01:11:28):
is really a parasite. It is it can't stand on
its own. It requires something else to support it and
hold it up, whether that's the state or religion or whatever.
And and Christianity for a time provided that in the
form of progressive Christianity, where you know, Marxism found an
infiltration into the four walls of the Church to convince

(01:11:51):
you know, the world. I think it was through the
trojan horse of social justice that it came in and
and it it it for a time was very convincing.
But eventually, if you call yourself a progressive Christian, you're
either going to push more into the critical theory Marxist
framework and recognize that, you know, eventually deconstruct from your
faith that that Marxism is antithetical to the Gospel. Or

(01:12:11):
if you push into your the Christian side of that
progressive Christianity enough and you actually start reading the Bible,
you'll recognize that all the principles of marx are are
you know, really anti God, I mean they're there, they
don't they can't coexist with a biblical worldview, and so
you'll eventually leave that progressive form you know, formation away.
But Paganism isn't like that, because of the a less

(01:12:36):
rigid moral structure, really completely fluid moral structure. It allows
for the various views of Marxism UH to take root
without any sort of internal conflicts. And so the goal
what we're seeing, the reason why there's a resurgence of
paganism today is because it's really bought and paid for
by the left that is trying to supplant Christianity as

(01:12:59):
being the predominant Christian worldview and to introduce this pagan
you know, ideology and platform so that it can win
over the younger generation and get these Marxist ideas to
be more easily accepted. Now that the spiritual climate has
changed and there's no longer the obstacle of the cross,
you know, standing against it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Right, nothing new under the sun. And you said something
that's really important, and I hope our audience caught that,
and that is that if you're not in the word,
you're really not studying the legitimate. It's I've used this
example many times. It's like a bank teller when they
teach them how to deal with counterfeit money, what they

(01:13:41):
have them study is the legitimate. They study the legitimate
so closely that they can see the counterfeit like that,
And I would dare say in today's Christianity, because we
have not been as invested in the Word as we
should be. I say on a daily and a continual basis,
because you got to imagine if Jesus says, you know,

(01:14:03):
I don't live on bread alone, but by every word
that comes out of the mouth of God, that's pretty significant.

Speaker 26 (01:14:08):
I would think, Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, look,
as Christians, we have to come back to establishing our faith.
In fact, at the end of the book, I give
a seven step road map on how do we start
turning the tide. I mean, how many young people have
been influenced by this, how many parents and grandparents have
come to you know, us and said, hey, what can
I do to reach my child and my grandchild? You know,
how many people are concerned about nieces and nephews and

(01:14:30):
these things they've seen impacted by gender ideology, by leftism,
by Marxism, by Antifa. You know, we've seen several very
prominent examples. In the last few weeks. We had two
sniper attacks young men that were you know, indoctrinated on
the internet, you know, to do such terrible things. And
I think that everybody's recognizing there's a crisis that's happening here.

(01:14:50):
And this younger generation is harder to reach in many
ways because they're less accessible than previous generations were. They
are more prone to be isolated. They grew up kind
of in isolation through COVID, They were sort of trained
in that, so they have less of a desire or
even a skill set to go meet friends and make
friends and find people. There's a lot of trauma in

(01:15:11):
their life, starting with everything from September eleven to the
rise in school shootings to you know, you know, wars
and rumors of wars, you know, totalitarian you know policies
during COVID, now things like the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
This is a generation in trauma and we have to
reach them. But we have to reach them with something
in particular. We have to reach them with the Gospel,
and so we have to start with that, that that primary,

(01:15:33):
you know, belief in Christ. We need a research into evangelism,
We need to use tools of technology in order to
get the Gospel out there. But I provide a plan
at the end of the book, and I encourage every
single faith leader, a parent, grandparent, to get a copy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Well you know, you wrought up something that's key here,
and that is the young people. And what I see, Lucas,
is that they're looking for consistency, you know, right now
in a culture where brands have been compromised, whether we're
talking bud Light, Disneyland, you know recently with Cracker Barrel.
You know, if all of a sudden McDonald says, hey,

(01:16:07):
we're not doing Hamburgers anymore, there'd be insanity, you know,
because it's a violation of their brand and their image
of who they are. Christianity has a brand and image.
What's happened is some of these, as you say, you know,
progressive pastors and cultural progressives who thought, oh, well, you know,
this is what's going on, and we need to make

(01:16:28):
a shift. But they didn't even realize as they were drifting,
and you and I talked about this years ago, as
they drift away from the solidarity and the consistency of
the gospel, they started to compromise their brand. And the
cautionary tale here is look at hit the pause button, reevaluate,
reconnect with that brand, that identification, which is christ Church.

(01:16:52):
It's not your church, it's Jesus' church, right, And this
is what these kids are coming back to, and they're
looking and say, okay, are you are you legit? Are
you a counterfeit? And they can smell a counterfeit from
miles away, can't they?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, absolutely, you're absolutely right. I think that.

Speaker 26 (01:17:07):
You know, one of the things that made Charlie so
successful was his willingness to engage in real conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
He would sit down.

Speaker 26 (01:17:13):
You know, people would call him a fascist, but yet
how many fascists do you know that give their opponent
a microphone, you know, to be able to talk about
these things. If he was a fascist, he wasn't a
very good one. Uh And and so it's uh, you know,
it's very unique to this generation. They love the dialogue.
They love, you know, getting on TikTok live and having debates.
You know, when I was a kid, I was I

(01:17:34):
went to uh I was in a speech and debate club,
and I never wanted to tell anybody, you know, it
was kind of dorky and nerdy. You know, my friends
found out, you know, it might be a problem. But now,
I mean it's it's it's like the you know, it's
like the Greek the amphitheater again here, you know, people
there say, there is great pride in going out and
saying let's have these conversations. Let's give the opposing side

(01:17:56):
a chance, and let's have a rebuttal, and let's be
able to engage. And I think this younger generation loves
that we have started doing in our churches and also
with TPUSA faith, just sit down conversations where we dialogue
with a thought leader and just get stuff out on
the table, and then to be able to take questions
from the audience when we're done. Most churches would never
dream of giving a chance for their audience to ask questions,

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but then we will sh why they're not discipled. And
so Jesus asked questions and he gave time for people
to ask him questions. And I think that's a secret
to reaching this generation right now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
And I think this will help us return to civility
where we can have a conversation, sit down, and as
the Bible says, reason together. Yeah okay, And that's what
I think our culture is aching for, is that kind
of connection. Lucas, what do you think?

Speaker 26 (01:18:39):
I think you're absolutely right, and I think that you know,
there's a lot of ego and pride that gets attached
to these things. But I think that for those of
us that are you know, committed to taking the Gospel forward,
we have to really check that ego at the door.
And we're here to be a spokesperson for God. We're
here to preach the full counsel of the Word of God.
So many pastors have just you know fallen, you know,
from this. Charlie and I talked about this a lot.

(01:19:01):
One of the things I introduced to him was the
idea that there's three types of pastors. That there's true pastors,
and there's traitorous pastors, and there's this middle category of
trembling pastors. And I think that that's what we've seen
so much of, is we have these pastors that they're
like giddy and hiding in the wine press, hoping the
battle is going to go on, you know, without them,
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to remind one another of that. I think it's you know,
I feel, you know, burden to be somebody who continues
to remind the church it's time to get in the fight.
It's time to stand up, it's trying. It's time to
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Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Here exactly the truth matters, doesn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:19:49):
Yes, one hundred percent. Without Without you know, truth, what
do we have? You know, just it's fabrication, it's our own.
My truth doesn't mean anything. My truth isn't worth anything.
I don't have it all figured out. There's only one
who does. And I just want to keep pointing people
to him.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
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And I was just going to say, to summarize, to
summarize it, what would you want people to gain from this?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:20:19):
Absolutely, This is to equip them to be able to
reach this generation and be able to stand up in
the times that we're in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
The world is shifted.

Speaker 26 (01:20:25):
We saw that twenty you know, twenty eight days ago
or so when Charlie was killed. And it is time
that ever people understand what's happening and what they can
do about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Well, Lucas Miles, my good friend, thank you so much
for being with us. I so appreciate you. God bless you,
Lucas a pastor and author, and of course with the
Turning Point faith. You know, we just look forward to
hearing some you know, more exciting things coming from Turning Point.
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Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Hey, good morning, America. I'm good to have you with us.
Bill Martinez here along with Jordan Goodman, America's Money Answers Man. Hey, Jordan,
how are we doing, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Great to be with you. Great to wrap up the year.
It's been quite a year, Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
Yeah, it really has been. I mean, can you believe
how fast it's gone. I mean, and maybe it's been
exacerbated because you know, Trump has just brought out a
fire hose as soon as he came into the Oval office.
And it's just been NonStop, has it not?

Speaker 7 (01:25:28):
It has in many, many different ways. So let's talk
about some of the winners of this year.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Clearly, the whole artificial intelligence boom has been a big winner.

Speaker 7 (01:25:38):
All the stocks related to that and Vidia, Microsoft, Google, Facebook,
you name it, they're all push pouring billions, hundreds of
billions into artificial intelligence. The estimates are going to be
something like four hundred billion dollars is going to be
invested in artificial intelligence this year and even more in
twenty twenty six. Just staggering kinds of numbers. And so

(01:26:00):
all these AI service centers are being built all of
the country. It's caused a real boom out there, and
the stocks led into that have done well, not only
directly but indirectly. For example, energy utilities having to build
new plants and provide new power and update the grid
because there's just not enough power to power all these
data serviiciders. So that's been clearly one of the winners.

(01:26:22):
I think it's going to continue next year as well.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Yeah, I agree. And speaking of energy, the energy sector
is hot, right, we might say, well it is.

Speaker 7 (01:26:34):
And one of the other things this year is that
oil prices fell quite sharply. We started the year at
about seventy five something like that. Now it's about fifty nine,
it's under sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
I paid the other day. I paid two dollars and
fifty nine cents a gallon here in Florida.

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
That's been a big winner, really, That's helped the economy
in various ways.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
And we'll see what happens in Venezuela.

Speaker 7 (01:26:58):
But if we take over Venezuela pretty soon and get
oil pumping from there instead of the decrepit nature of them,
that could add even more supply and push prices down
even further. So that's been a big winner this year
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Could you imagine the prospect I mean you mentioned Venezuela,
the prospect of what a vibrant Venezuela could mean to
South America.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
Right, instead of the complete kryptocracy they've got there, and
you know, it had been one of the most prosperous.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Countries in the world.

Speaker 7 (01:27:29):
They yet huge oil supplies and purely because of politics
and the communism of Shaves and now Maduro, which is
ruined the place. It's got tremendous potential to come back,
and let's hope that happens relatively quickly. I hope we
don't have a long drawn out war, have another Vietnam
in Venezuela.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, that'd be crazy. No, I agree,
So that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
The next area is clearly bitcoin.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
Bitcoin started the year about fifty thousand, It got as
high as about one hundred and twenty five thousand, and
it's about ninety thousand or so. But clearly a lot
of people are moving money out of traditional assets into bitcoin,
and I think that's going to continue to be a
winner next year. It's violenctile day to day the long term,
I think, clearly, and President Trump has been kind of
all in on bitcoin and making it easier and making

(01:28:14):
us a major player brick cod because if we didn't
do that, we'd be left behind.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
The rest of the world is moving.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Oh, no doubt, no doubt. And the other thing too
is crypto wallet's right, and which is all part it's
a derivative, but it's all you know, it's all part
of the infrastructure of this you know, data currency.

Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
And so it's going to get bigger and bigger. Not
clear whether you want explosure to that. Another big winner
this year has been gold and silver. Gold is over
forty two hundred announce, silver about fifty dollars an ounce.
They've had major moves to some extent, all these countries
around the world are trying to get out of the
dollar and putting money into gold and silver to some

(01:28:57):
extent as well. You've got the so called bricks country
is Brazil, Russia, India, China. That's now been added to
twenty six countries in total, Saudi Arabia, u AE, Brazil,
all kinds by the places that are trying to dedollarize
and pay for fuel in this new bricks currency. So
that's backed by gold. So that's gold and silver have

(01:29:20):
had a huge move this year and I think that's
going to continue into next year as the kind of
de dollarisation process continues.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Well, what's going to happen? I mean, you know, we
touched a little bit on fuel and the cost of oil,
you know, down to about fifty nine a barrel and
still looking at being lower. Yet what is that going
to do in relationship to the attack on the dollar,
because America is I mean, we we're you know, producing
oil like almost like never before.

Speaker 7 (01:29:48):
Right right, we are the word world's largest producer. But
if oil goes much lower, it doesn't make a lot
of sense for American drillers to drill. Our cost production
is maybe fifty or something like that. Saudi Arabia's cost
of production is four dollars in barrel, you know, so
they can still make money at lower arm prices where
we can't. So, but overall, lower own prices are good

(01:30:12):
for consumers. Get puts more money in people's pockets. It's
good for transportation. So that's been one of the big
winners this year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
So we'll see.

Speaker 7 (01:30:20):
I mean, if Venezuela could get back online fully, that
would add a lot of oil the market, So that
could be positive.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
So that's you know a measure plus plus. Trump is
real tight with the president in exile who just got the.

Speaker 17 (01:30:39):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
Yeah, she would be the likely one to take over,
and she'd be very friendly to us. Be a very difference,
and I think you're right. I think this could have
a big influence throughout South America. There's some good people
in South America like the guy running Argentina. And there's
some bad people in South right, were in Columbia, you know,
we're drug runners and Brazil Lulu or some crazy people there.

(01:31:02):
So if we get a nice, stable government that's kind
of pro American in Venezuela, that would be very very positive, well.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
In pro law and order, because then what will happen
is they'll start cleaning up their own backyard, right, because
you can't have you can't have, as she says, these
bad own brais. I think that's Maria Salazar that says
that you can't have these bad own breys running around right.

Speaker 7 (01:31:21):
There's a lot of them yea, and throughout Central South
America as well. So that's that's a potential winner next year.
The other big theme of this year was tariffs. Now
in April, President Trump came out with so called Liberation
Day put all these enormous tasks. A lot of them
have come down since then, but it forced a lot
of countries into trade deals that we wouldn't have done otherwise.

(01:31:44):
United Kingdom, Japan, Korea, Australia, even China and so on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
So that's been a big win for us.

Speaker 7 (01:31:51):
The towers have taken a toll, though it's hurt a
lot of small businesses in the US because they can't
pass on the costos tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
To there in many cases.

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
So there's a big cloud hanging over the whole tariff situation,
which is the Supreme Court's going to decide relatively soon
whether these tariffs are legal or not. Cosm Trump is
saying the reason he is illegal is nineteen seventy seven
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(01:32:23):
an economic emergency, and he used that power to do this.
We'll see what happens, but I think it's likely that
the Supreme Court is going to say, no, it's not
legal to do this, that you need Congress to approve
these kind of things. If that happens, there could be
a lot of chaos because this has been the major
economic tool that the President Trump is used to get
his will in many different ways, and that could be

(01:32:44):
undercut by the Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
Well, of course, if it goes to Congress, the Democrats
are just going to have a heyday, you know, because
there anything that would bruise up Trump and undermine his
agenda and there's no doubt. I mean you look at,
you know, the net benefit of what tariffs has done
in terms of bringing you know, labor, bringing projects, investment

(01:33:07):
back to America, this sort of thing. I think the
net gain is just humongous, and I think that it
would be a severe decision by the Supreme Court. And
maybe they're balancing that. I know that Justice Roberts balanced
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(01:33:28):
the other side of the bench saying, no, you don't
want to call it a tariff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
You know, we'll see.

Speaker 7 (01:33:34):
I mean, when they have the hearing, the justices were
kind of saying, are you sure this is legal? And
it's also a balance of power separation of powers issue
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(01:33:55):
he lowers his tops, you don't like your regular tasks
on his whim. Normally, these are done through trade agreements
that are ratified by Congress, so that's kind of legal.
So well, on purely legal grounds. I think they're going
to vote it's not legal. But if that were to happened,
can you imagine the disruption everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Oh my gosh, yeah, exactly, all this is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Going to want to refund and all those and all.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Those wars he stopped. You know, though, they're back to
fighting again, right, I mean, there's lots, there's lots hanging
in the balance here. I mean it's almost you know,
a domically sort of short you know, that's hanging over
this decision, right it is.

Speaker 7 (01:34:32):
It's I think one of the biggest decisions we're going
to see in a long time. So if it if
it goes against the President and they say these are
not being legal tariffs, maybe he's going to try to
do it some other way, but it really should go
through Congress. Would be very difficult to get done. And
then it also blows a hole in the budget. All
the dolls coming in through tariffs all of a sudden disappear.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Right exactly. Well, I'll tell you what. We got to
leave it there, Jordan Goodman, how can they be in
touch with you?

Speaker 7 (01:35:01):
They can always email me Jordan at Money Answers dot com.
And it's been a pleasure being with you all year bill,
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Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Hey, we're back with you. Bill Martinez here along with
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Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
Now are you?

Speaker 15 (01:39:47):
I'm great?

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Bill?

Speaker 15 (01:39:48):
How are you doing this morning?

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
Hey, I'm gooding terrific. I guess this is going to
be our last meeting until next year.

Speaker 15 (01:39:53):
Huh, that's what you tell me, so I can only
go on on what your your word is.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
Well, we're going to take a little break here and
enjoy the holiday with our friends and family. Definitely been
a real special season. You know, we're in the third
week of Advent. This is a time for joy because
you know, here we've gone through hope, you know, which
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(01:40:20):
you know, what makes hope so significant is what it's
anchored in. Right. If your hope, for example, if your
hope is anchored in the government, I think it got
deflated after forty three days when the government decided to
shut down.

Speaker 15 (01:40:34):
Right, well, I think that's right, and I mean I
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It shapes how we perceive other people, It shapes everything.
It shapes how we respond to adversity. And everybody eventually
is going to have some adversity, right, You're gonna have
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(01:41:39):
have an earthquake and it could be in trouble.

Speaker 17 (01:41:41):
But.

Speaker 15 (01:41:43):
But that's, you know, it illustrates the point, you know,
what are we building on? What's our foundation?

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Yeah? Exactly. So that was week one. Week two was peace, Yes,
that that hope would give us peace. And here I mean, boy,
do we need peace?

Speaker 15 (01:41:57):
Huh boy, do we need peace? I mean again, our
world strives for it, and yet without without a reconciler,
right because peace peace sort of assumes that there's conflict
and what do we do again, what do we do
with conflict? And I think without a reconciler who apart

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from us, has established that piece, I think it's elusive.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Yeah, well, and that's that's the point. Is peace is possible, yes,
exactly if you're hooked in to that which makes it possible.
You know, I'm studying I'm studying the Book of Habacca
this morning, and uh, Habacca is frustrated. The prophet's frustrated
because he's saying, God, do you know, hey, hello, aren't
you seeing what's going on here? And I'm thinking, oh

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my good, this could be Habacca today in twenty twenty
five in our country going hello, we got you know,
sexual you know, confusion going on, We've got unjust things
happening in our country. Is where is the God of
justice here? Right?

Speaker 15 (01:43:03):
Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think that's one of
the other great questions that we have to grapple with,
no matter what we believe, is what do we do
with evil? What do we do with injustice? What do
we do with the hard things that happen? And again,
we have a worldview that gives us a framework to
think about that that those things came as a result

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of human sin, of Adam and Eve's fault. And we're
still we are still experiencing the outworking and the consequences
of one decision. And yet all of us can also
probably look back and point to bad decisions that we
have made. Right lest we you know, point fingers.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
Too much about pointing fingers, but we got to really,
like anything, you've got to see the truth of the condition,
right exactly, And let's not delude ourselves. I mean, you know,
one thing in fact, of course, you know the big
new one of the big news things over the weekend,
of course, was you know, the murder of the whiners

(01:44:06):
and and how drugs came into play here and I'm
looking at this and I'm and I'm seeing the medium
missing a key component in all this. And you know,
in contrast here and I'll bring this to fruition here
and hopefully I can do this right, is that what's
happened is our government has been laxed and I'm not saying, hey,
we're gonna blame it all on the government, you know,

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as if we don't have any self responsibility. But the
government has been cooperative to this end because people are
allowed to make money off of this drugs which are
poisoning our kids and driving them nuts, and and so
here it is. Now, it's been manifest and this hasn't
been the first time when a family member has gone

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against the parents and murdered the parents and you say, hey,
drugs is involved here. Now, thank god, we have a
president that says, oh, that's right. There is a war
on drugs. We've been talking about war on drugs for
decades and now you have a president saying, Okay, hey,
you want to kill our kids, guess what We're going
to go after you. We're gonna blow boats out of
the water. We're gonna do everything we can because this

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isn't even acceptable, it's beyond unacceptable. You're killing our kids,
and there's retribution to be paid. And I'm the President
of the United States and I'm putting the Secretary of
War on this project.

Speaker 15 (01:45:23):
Yeah, you know that that's right. And I think you know,
back to just drugs, there is a worldview that says,
what you do in the privacy of your own home
with your body is your business. And I think that
there's a place for a discussion about the costs that

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society as a whole has to pay when we try
to pretend that those decisions made in private don't have
public impact, right, And the reality is when you when
you minimize that, when you decriminalize it. You know, we've
seen in Portland and San Francisco and these, you know,

(01:46:07):
these metropolitan areas. We want to try to pretend like
the answer to the problem is to say there's no problem.
The problem doesn't go away, right, and and the problem
has layers. The problem has economic components, it has social components.
It's not just one thing. But I think that you're
right to recognize that the drug component is a significant

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one in many of these stories, and it seems to
have been one, you know, in Nick Reiner's life as well.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
And I want to address this idea about you know,
because that that's been the mantra, right, you know, along
with my body, my choice and all this r you know,
but this idea that oh, what happens in the bedroom,
you know it, guess what doesn't stay in the bedroom,
just like it doesn't stay in Vegas, right, you know, that's.

Speaker 15 (01:46:53):
Right, And I think that again, we have a privatized
and an atomistic understanding of our choices, and we really
want to believe that we're sovereign. But at the same time,
we also want to believe that our choices don't matter.
And you don't get to have it both ways, right,

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The reality is we are We're connected relationally and all
of our choices have a relational impact, whether we realize
that or not. And again it goes back to the
garden of Eden, right, we goes back to sin and
alienation from God and from each other.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Well, the simple example is the speed limit. Right, you
can break the speed limit, that's fine, but guess what
has consequences? And the speed limit is there for the
safety of all concerned, right, And if you want to
think that you're above the law and put yourself in
danger and everybody else in danger, hey, you know we
have stories that are endless on people being reckless and

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guess what you know? So we operate in a society
with guardrails for the protection of one another, right.

Speaker 15 (01:48:01):
Right now, that's right, And as you and I have
talked about many times over the years. You know, we're
living in a time that I think increasingly resembles that
of the judges, you know, and every man did what
was right in his own eyes. I'm like, well, again,
if we don't have an agreed upon basis for what

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it looks like to live with each other, you get chaos.
How can you end up with anything but that?

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
Yeah, you get you get to Minnesota?

Speaker 15 (01:48:31):
Right, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
That's only one example. Trust me, that's not.

Speaker 15 (01:48:36):
Just It's not just there, you know, just one example.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Yeah, because as you said, this mindset has become so
pervasive that again, the first the first step towards I
guess repentance or some kind of resolution is an admission
of the problem. And we need to have clarity on
what the problem is. But everybody's lying about it. I mean,

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you bring people into Congress and it's like, I didn't
want to. I can't even watch anything from Congress anymore
because like you think, you think you're gonna bring somebody
in like Jack Smith, and he's gonna say, oh, you
got me, Yeah, you're right, I did. I was unjust
good luck.

Speaker 15 (01:49:16):
Right, good luck that that's exactly right, which brings us
back to advent. Obviously that I'm thankful that that we
serve a God who sent his son to live and
die for us, to do for us what we could
not do for ourselves, right, Uh, and to bring us
that reconciliation with God, and that reconciliation paves the way

(01:49:41):
for reconciliation with others here that we have been alienated from.
And there's there's hope, and there's peace, and there's joy
in that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Yeah, right and uh? And that's yeah, and ultimately love
the fourth wake the manifestation of God's love Jesus' manifestation
demonstration with his arm stretched out on the cross saying, hey,
come to me. I know i'm bloody, i'm a mess,
I'm irrecognizable, but I want you to know I did

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this for you.

Speaker 15 (01:50:10):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Does that blow you away? That blows me away?

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Well? It does.

Speaker 15 (01:50:15):
And I think that I have lived with that truth
since I was little. And I think that the temptation
for us as Christians is it becomes so familiar that
it can kind of lose its impact, right, And so
I think we would do well, as you have just said,
to reflect on that and to take some time over

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this Christmas season to reflect on you know, we call
him the reason for the season, and there are songs
about it, but it's true. He is the reason for
the season. And have I personally have I taken hold
of that and have I reflected on that recently in
a way that changes me? And I have to say

(01:50:59):
it's uneven. You know, I have good days and bad days,
and again I'm thankful for the grace on all of
those days. But that's the invitation this Christmas season.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
Well, welcome to humankind there, my friend. We all we
all battle that, as Paul said, the things I want
to do, I don't that I don't I do? Hey,
that that is the human paradox, and we live with
that paradox in and of ourselves. But this is why
we hold onto the garment of Jesus and we're blessed
to be reminded every year. Thank you Lord that you

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remind us every year, as you say, the reason for
the season. And our prayer for our listeners and our
families out there is that this would be a most
joyful and loving Christmas season for you, and that that
you would you would be transformed in a way and
draw nearer to God in such a way that you

(01:51:50):
would think just was not possible. But this is the
God we serve, the God of the impossible, the God
who loves us, the God of peace and the God
of joy.

Speaker 15 (01:51:59):
Right, that is exactly right, And I'm thankful to be
able to celebrate that this season, and even to just
reflect on it a little bit in our conversation here
this morning.

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