The Bill Martinez Show 12 29 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 29 25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
our values, our politics, and our future.

Speaker 4 (00:11):
And now Bill Martinez.

Speaker 5 (00:15):
Good morning America. Bill Martinez here just about six minutes
after the top of the hour, and with us, it's
our honor to have Louis gomer join us, the former
congressman from of course the number one district in Texas
by the way, because he is number one, and also
a former attorney and a judge. Louis Gohmert. Welcome, Michelle.

(00:37):
Good to have you with us.

Speaker 6 (00:38):
Good to be with you. Bill, Thank you well.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
I appreciate what you've written about in terms of arctic
frost and the danger that this is done. I mean,
there just seems to be such movements of sedition that
have invaded our country and our constitution. I mean it's
like where do you start. I mean, when you got six,

(01:02):
you know, elected officials telling our military that they don't
need to obey an an lawful order, I mean we're
in trouble here.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:14):
Well, the Arctic Cross I mean that cannot be underestimated,
undersold as to just how serious that was. Yes, when
you have six people that are encouraging members of the
military to commit a military crime.

Speaker 8 (01:34):
That is.

Speaker 7 (01:38):
Extremely serious. But it's right out of the Marxist playbook.
David Horowitz, we lost him earlier this year. I'm a
senior fellow with the Freedom the Horowitz Freedom Center, and
David was a dear friend. And David had said, you know,
back when he was a leading one of the top

(01:58):
few UH communist leaders in America in the late sixties,
he said, their motto back then is the same as now,
and it is that among the leaders, the morons don't know.
But among the leaders, their slogan is the worse, the better.

(02:22):
The more chaos they could create, the better. And so
a lot of these people they don't even know what
they're playing into. But the more chaos they could create,
the worse it gets, the closer they are to having
a full takeover of what was once the greatest republic
in the history of the world, the freest, greatest in

(02:46):
the world's history, longest lasting republic in the history of
the world, and they're playing into its demise.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
But you know, as a former.

Speaker 7 (02:56):
Felony judge, I would give instructions on what an accomplice was,
and both under state law and under federal law, same thing.
We don't recognize accomplices. We recognize people who are accomplices
as principles. And the instruction from a judge to a

(03:17):
jury is that someone who aids and a beds a
prince and principle themselves. And the definition of aiding in
a betting would include the word encourage. Perhaps that strikes accord.
When you hear members of Congress or the Senate encouraging

(03:40):
people to commit military crimes, they're encouraging the committing of
a crime.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
This is serious stuff.

Speaker 7 (03:49):
But going back to Arctic frost, we've never seen anything
like this in our history. It just makes Watergate paling comparabon.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
That was, you know, a bungled burglary, but the big
cover up that was a big problem there. But here
you have the FBI and the DOJ going after hundreds
of Republicans, members of Congress, members of the Senate's phone records.

(04:25):
They're going after inspiring on the people that have oversight
over them. And when we do that, it completely eliminates
the ability to have oversight.

Speaker 9 (04:38):
And I know.

Speaker 7 (04:40):
Back in six when William Jefferson, who was completely guilty
of the crime he is selling off favors from his office.
They absolutely had probable costs to search his home, got
a warrant to do so, totally appropriate, found ninety thousand
dollars cold hard cash and his freezer. Then they got

(05:03):
a warrant and appropriate probable cause there to search as
his office. But in the whole history of the Congress,
because of the separation of powers, because of the Congression
of because of the constitutional congressional privilege that prevents the
executive branch the DOJ from coming in and taking things

(05:29):
that allowed them to basically find out who's whistleblowing. On
the FBI and on the DOJ, there's a privilege there.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
They don't get to do that.

Speaker 7 (05:40):
So the whole history of the country, they would come
in and they would present the warrant to House Counsel independent,
and the House counsel would go in and grab everything
out of that congressman's office and they would go through
it and they would pull aside things that would privileged
things that were from whistleblowers, because the DJ has no

(06:05):
right to know who the whistleblowers are, that exactly, and
that way you keep the checks and balances going. But
Muller was director of the FBI, and he wanted He
knew the law, he knew separation of powers, and he
didn't care, and he was wanting to shove it down
Congress's throat.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
So he just came in in the middle of the night.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
He took everything and he told a foolish federal judge
in Washington, Oh, but we'll go through everything at the
DOJ and we'll give back what's privileged. And the federal
judge okay, but the DC Circuit said, no, you can't
do that. Exactly her party go through that stuff and

(06:48):
then give you what's allowed. And the Supreme Court they
build that in the spring Court said no, you can't
do it. We're not going to touch the DC Circuit's opinion.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
So that's been the law.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
And then along comes Christopher Ray and Merrick Garland and
they say, and Jack Frost Smith and they don't care.
They are wanting to finally bring down all Republicans in
the two party system.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
And that's Bill made no mistake. That's what this was.

Speaker 7 (07:22):
This was jetting down the two party system and bringing
us in to a new Marxist era.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
If they've been successful.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
Yeah, this was the continuation of the mission that Barack
Obama announced when he talked about the fundamental transformation of
our country, and people wonder, they go, well, that's odd.
I mean, a lot of people applauded, you know, and
they wait a minute, stop for a minute, what did
he mean by that? And of course now we're starting
to see the fruit of the tree that he planted there.

Speaker 7 (07:52):
Right, yep, you're exactly right. That's exactly what was going on.
But it was taking it to an extent that most
of us couldn't believe that they were willing to go.
I mean, Merrick Garland, can you imagine a guy like
that on the Supreme Court? Just incredible how far they

(08:13):
were willing to go to shred the Constitution. And so
that the thing is, though, Bill, you have had weak need,
you know, slack jaw Republicans who were willing to talk
a good game. But we have not held anybody accountable.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Exactly, that's no.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
Not the eighteen years I was in Congress, the years
we were in the majority. You know, some of us
were going, we got to hold these people accountable. And
we held Lois Larner accountable because she got put on
paid leave for about a year.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
We leave a paid vacation. That was who we held accountable.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah, and now what does she get a quarter of
a million in retirement?

Speaker 10 (09:04):
Right?

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Just outrageous?

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Anyway, real quick conc show. We got to go to
quick break. We'll pick it up on the other side.
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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with the former Congressman Louis Gormer, Congressman.
Before we go on and pick up from where we're at,
you've been out of Congress for a couple of years now,
and you're looking through the rearview mirror and also through
the windshield of what's happening in our government today. What's
your assessment of where America is and what we need

(14:28):
to do, because, as you were suggesting, Republicans and the
sentiment amongst we the people is that we still want
to play nice and we don't understand that we're in
the middle of a war here and what's hanging in
the balance is this democratic republic.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
Yeah, well, people have got to go to prison for
the wrongdoing. And I tell you, having been a former
criminal judge, f elany judge at the Steglo, I was
shocked when I found out. You know, of course, the
warrants that were gotten to spy on the Trump campaign
through Papadopolis and Carter.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Paige going back to twenty fifteen.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
Right, But then we found out there was a lawyer
with the DOJ that lied in an Affidavid knowingly lied
to help get the warrant, and the vice a judge
when she found out was kind of whole hum and
there really weren't much in the way consequences. Eventually they prosecuted,

(15:35):
but only because a look and not much happened to him.
But I'm telling you, Bill, I was staggered that a
federal judge, on finding that a lawyer with the DOJ
lied to her under oath yes to get a warrant
to spy on the president, didn't go ballistic because she

(15:56):
could have held him in contempt of court and put
him in right then without a hearing for six months.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
That's what I would have done.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
I was staggered, and she was like, you know, okay,
well hold that told me we need to end the
vice of courts. If they don't have more respect for
the Constitution than that, that's.

Speaker 17 (16:17):
Got to end.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
We got to know everything they're doing out in the open,
because this is a threat. These are chambers that's got
to stop. And we've got to start going after the
judges because they're not protecting the constitution, that's one thing.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
And we have got to do more house cleaning.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
At the DOJ we're not clean there yet, and at
the FBI, we're not clean there yet. So all of
these things have got to happen, and we've got to
I know there's a start with, you know, trying to
get indictments against some of the former dj but people
have got to be made held to account for what

(16:58):
they've done because they brought us to the brink of
the end of our constitutional republic. If they're not made
to pay, then it's just going to get worse when
they're in power again.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Well, because they just keep it keeps repeating itself and
getting worse and worse. Like you said, here we go
from Watergate to where we are now, and it's like
it makes Watergate look like nothing. And you know, we
forced the president to resign because of Watergate. Here, no
consequence whatsoever, and they're doubling down.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
Why not, It just it gets worse and worse and
more egregious. So yeah, there's got to be consequences. Are
we're going to lose this thing, and the next Democrat
they will go ahead and finish off, moving us into
a full Marxist state. And you know, I've said a

(17:50):
number of times the only thing or Well got wrong
was the year. It wasn't like eighty four. We're living
through it now, right. That's where they're trying to get
us into that Orwellian state. They're spying on us. And
of course, you know, we find I found out from
Grassley's investigators that Verizon had my name in there and

(18:12):
they were getting not days like they had some of
the senators, but months of my records. And Verizon, according
to them, just said, oh okay, well here's all Gonn's records,
and AT and T and others were going, well, we're
not sure that this is a valid thing here. This

(18:32):
is just a subpoena. There's no warrant, there's no probable cause.
And they pushed back on it, thank goodness.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
But anyway, yeah, but what does that say about Verizon
though Congressation?

Speaker 6 (18:44):
It raises serious questions.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
And I've had Verizon for many, many, many years, and
that's about to change.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Right, you know, I hear you. So where are we
I mean in this situation. I mean, this is supposed
to be a government up for by we the people,
and so we the people need to really stand up.
And not that we expect, you know, a thousand percent agreement,
because our country didn't start, you know, with a thousand
percent agreement. It's only about ten percent of the constituents

(19:13):
that banded together. But we need brave men and women
to take a stand, you know, not only for themselves,
but for their kids and their grandkids.

Speaker 18 (19:22):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
Well, but that's just it.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
If we could get ten percent of American adults to
just bombard their members of Congress and Senate saying you
have got to go after these people. You've got to
hold the judges accountable, You've got to hold the DOJ accountable,
and just light up their switchboards with phone calls, light

(19:46):
them up with emails. That will make a difference. It
still makes a difference when members of Congress and the
Senate just get.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Bombarded with phone calls.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
And emails, and especially if people or really heated up
over the issue and they.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
Is is it conceivable, Congressman, that we could do an
operation warp speed to clean this mess up? Because time
is a wasting I mean, here we are, We've got
one year down, three years left with with with the
President Trump and the midterms hanging in the balance. Here,
God forbid the Democrats get the gavel. If they do,
then forget it. You know, the rest of the two

(20:26):
years of the President's going to be.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
New to her to another impeachment.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Yes, exactly. So, I mean, is there is there enough
spine there in Congress? I like Mike Johnson, I have
a lot of hope for him, but he needs he
needs reinforcements, just like Donald Trump needs reinforcements.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
Right, Yes, absolutely, And the only way to get that
is if enough people are are lighting up the switchboards
and hitting with emails and letting their members of Congress
know you have got to do something.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
We have let this stuff go on much too long.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
It's time to quit talking about it and quit having
little hearings where you get soundbites and you don't do anything.
It's time to actually do something and hold these people accountable.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
You push and you get them, you get.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
Them into the DOJ where they are held accountable with
criminal actions.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
And that's where it's got to go.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
As a former congressman, you know what happens when you
get when the switchboard is lit up and you're getting emails, right,
and sometimes the constituency doesn't quite comprehend the power of
an email or a phone call.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
Right, that's right, that's right, And it makes a difference.
And when we finally would get people so upset that
they would really bombard their members of Congress, only then
would we stop bad legislation or get some good legislation done.

(22:08):
But it takes that kind of work from members of
the public.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Really. So when you go when you go to the floor,
for example, and you and and your switchboards lit up,
and you've got two hundred phone calls, you're going to
the floor and saying this is just a sample of
the response of my constituent and everybody else, you know,
I mean, they're not going to have two hundred phone calls.
Maybe they got five or ten, So two hundred really

(22:35):
says a lot for example, right.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
Yeah, But there were times where, you know, under really
tough circumstances, they get a thousand yes, right, and really
what Sometimes they'd go to the floor ands I, you know,
my constituents were really upset about that. But what more
often happened is they would go to the speaker and say, look,

(23:01):
I've been a team player and I've been holding back
like you said, but I can't hold back anymore.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
We have got to do something.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
And when you have enough members of Congress coming to
the speaker and saying, look, I can't keep my seat
if we don't do something, then that's when something gets done.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
Right.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
That's really the key. It's one thing to go on
the floor and say, here's what all my constituents are saying,
more soundbites. They go to the speaker and say, Mike,
we got to do something. My people are so mad
at me. I'm going to lose my seat. If we
don't do something, and you have enough of those go

(23:46):
to the speaker, it makes a difference.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
That's when it makes a difference, exactly.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Congressman Louis Gohmert has been our guest Congressman. As we
wrap things up, the people want to hear hope. Give
them some hope, would you please?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Well, what we just were talking about, is the hope
now Being a Christian, I always have hope. Yes, remember
you know the comment our hope will not arrive on
Air Force one. But uh, but people have hope. But

(24:22):
we have a system of government where we are the
people that make things happen. But if you just sit
back and say, well, there's nothing to be done, well
we've lost already. But real time, we have been given
a reprieve when President Trump won. If he had lost,

(24:44):
then I would say, now there's really.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
Not much hope.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
We you know this, we would not know about arctic frost.
This would that would not have resulted in anything happening.
But we have been given a reprieve. We've been given
another chance, Bill, and we have got to take advantage
of it. This is our chance, and people have got

(25:08):
to respond. It's not enough that we got President Trump
or re elected. It's got to be everybody take advantage.
Let's get out there, let your congress members, your senators
know they got to do something with this opportunity. We
may not have two more years after this. We have
got to do something this next year. It's critical, you know.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Right now it is a sense of immediacy that must
be that we must focus on. He's a former congressman,
currently Senior Fellow for Political Statesmanship with a David Horowitz
Freedom Center. Louis Gohmert has been our guest a congressman.
Is always an honor great to have you with us.
Take care, God bless thank you, God bless you.

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Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, the whole truth and nothing but right, John, Right, Yeah, exactly. Well,
I want to talk about something you wrote at the
Brew here and that's and this has been disturbing. Charlie
Kirk's wife, Erica had brought this out here recently in
her interview is on Fox and other places. And that
has to do with these silly conspiracy theories about Tronie

(31:07):
Kirk's killer.

Speaker 23 (31:09):
Well, it's more than silly. First of all, the horrible
tragedy that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a left wing
sexual degenerate who was involved in the transgender movement.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
And now.

Speaker 23 (31:24):
That became that was a moment of spiritual revival and
we saw people going back to church. We saw turning
point USA chapters becoming more overtly theological as Charlie was
becoming over the years, and then it's spiritual warfare. The
devil stepped in to try to snuff it out, to
try to divert the powerful witness of Charlie's death, end

(31:46):
of his life, and turn it to the most squalid,
gutter conspiracy theories peddled by, first of all, Candice Owens,
who I'm not sure if she's crazy or if she's
actually possessed, and I'm not using hyperbole. Milo Ianopolis is

(32:07):
another person. Both of them claim to be converts to Catholicism,
and both of them seem to me to have dark spirits,
and they seem to be devoted to destruction and to
tearing down everything, every good thing that Charlie Kirk built,
every good thing that we're trying to do in America.
They're trying to make us paranoid, make us distrust everyone.

(32:33):
Now we know we shouldn't trust the deep state, we
shouldn't trust the mainstream media, but they're trying to make
us distrust absolutely everyone. And Candae own is even cast
doubt and suspicion on Charlie Kirk's wife and his best friends,
that there's some sort of dark conspiracy behind it, that
there was a power grab.

Speaker 10 (32:53):
It's just.

Speaker 23 (32:56):
It's not based on any reality. It kind of reminds
me of monkeys in cages throwing poop at the wall.
They're just throwing theories out there to get clicks, to
make money, literally, to make money. Why didn't Candice Own
just show up at Charlie Kirk's funeral and try to
sell tupperware? I mean that would be just as classy

(33:16):
as what she's doing now, and then might actually interfere
with the prosecution of the man who apparently.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Shot That's that's what I was gonna say. This is
this compromises everything. It taints the jury pool. Yeah, the
love and you got to know that these attorneys here
and the way Utah's handling this whole situation, you think
that Charlie Kirk's accused murder was the victim, right right?

Speaker 23 (33:41):
And Andy Engo, who's been a heroically courageous journalist in
chronicling the terrorist activities of Antifa, he is the guy
who came out and said this may make it impossible
to put his killer in prison. And if you really
want to if you want a conspiracy theory, here's here's
one I think might have some valid Whoever it was
in the deep state that authorized Charlie Kirks murder, because

(34:06):
I don't think this guy was acting alone. I think
there was probably some deep state involvement. I think there
probably was in the assassination attempts on Trump too. Whoever
was in the deep state that authorized the murder also
authorized this psyop of all these conspiracy theories in order
to taint the durru pool so that their killer doesn't
actually have to do any time in prison. That's the

(34:28):
that's their backup plan for protecting him.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Well, you know, like there's nothing new here, John, I
mean this has been done time and time again, you know,
just you know, to kind of cloud up the perspective
and you know, whether we're talking nine to eleven, the
Kennedy assassination, just go right on down the list. I mean,
this is this is all their modus operandi, is it not.

Speaker 23 (34:49):
Yeah, we really can't put anything past the people in
the FBI and the CIA. I mean, we know they
tried to take down President Trump. They tried to fall sleep,
paint him as a trader, as a Russian agent. They
use facts that they knew were false, They used fake information,
they leaked it to the media. They tried to peach

(35:11):
him twice. It was all to try to overturn the
results of the Democratic election. We've got federal judges nullifying
every legitimate decision Trump makes with his constitutional executive authority.
They're just saying no. I think a lot of the
Republicans in Congress would actually rather lose the midterms so
that the next two years can be all about impeaching

(35:33):
Donald Trump, because what they want, what the Republican establishment
still wants, is to purge the foreign body of Trump
and his populism from the Republican Party and take back
the party, recreate the Republican Party of Mitt Romney and
Paul Ryan, which basically existed, like the Washington Generals, were

(35:57):
the white guys whose job it was to lose every night,
gracious lead to the Harlem globetrotters. The Republican Party, the
old pre Trump Republican Party, played to lose so that
it could then fundraise and pay pay itself enormous salaries
on the backs of SAPs like you and me writing
little checks to the Republican campaign Committee to try to

(36:17):
take back our country, when in fact they were playing
to lose. We saw John McCain, who had opposed Obamacare
and ran on opposing it, flew back. One of his
last votes in the Senate was to vote to keep
Obamacare in place. And we know what Obamacare is. It's
a massive wealth transfer, first of all to our healthcare companies,

(36:37):
whose profits have gone up seven hundred percent since Obamacare.
And secondly, it's well transferred from the middle class to
the welfare class, with the health insurance companies making huge
profits as the middleman.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, so much for the Democratic Party narrative that they're
for the little guy right, or.

Speaker 23 (37:00):
Keeping the little guy little, making everyone in the middle
little again. The Democrats want a society like colonial Mexico,
a big hacienda on the hill with a man in
a white straw hat and a bunch of guards with rifles,
and everybody else is down in the favela and is
afraid of their death squads. We saw that during the
COVID panic, that what happened during COVID, the lockdowns, the

(37:23):
force vaccinations. They were setting up in tournament camps in
Australia for the unvaccinated and our own Centers for Disease
Control set on its website that it planned to do
the same thing here. So locked in your house, fired
if you won't get take a dangerous new vaccine based
on aborted babies. Your church's clothed, The abortion clinics opened,

(37:45):
the media censored anyone who spoke out doctor as epidemiologists.
Anyone who spoke out against the narrative was labeled a
murderer and was fired, disbarred, kicked out of the medical profession.
That kind of totalitarian society is what the Democrats want,
and we see they're already doing it in Britain, Great Britain.

(38:06):
Dozens of citizens are arrested every day for just complaining
about immigration. And while the government brings in thousands of
Muslim young men of military age and puts them in
barracks is all around the country. And when they rape
Native girls, if the native girls complain about it or
their family complains about it, the people complaining get longer

(38:26):
prison sentences than the rapists.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Exactly. Well, and look what else is going on. The
farmers are revolting there, John, They're bringing the government of
England to its knees.

Speaker 23 (38:38):
Well, I hope so that government.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Have you seen that?

Speaker 17 (38:41):
Have you seen?

Speaker 23 (38:41):
I would not see anything about the farms.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Oh my god. They they have stormed the bestille in tractors. John.
They got thousands of tractors that have gone there and
they've stopped the government. They're actually in a way, they're
doing a siege ramp against the government. Wow.

Speaker 23 (38:58):
Well, I tell you the situation in Great Britain is
so bad that I don't think there's any way of
avoiding an eventual civil war. And the government is on
the side of Muslim colonists. They're colonizing the place with
foreigners who will vote their way and form militias. I mean,
is it's like what the US cavalry did to the

(39:21):
American Indians in the Midwest, where you're just taking land
and resettling it with popwood settlers who will obey your orders,
who will be on your side. It is that latant.
It's basically an act of genocide, genocide by Western governments
against Western peoples.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Well, we got to go to quick break. Stay with us.
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Speaker 5 (44:02):
America fourteen minutes before the top of the our Bill
Martinez here with doctor John's America. John of course is
going to be on his new venture with It's It's
an app that you can download, uh stream is it
stream tv?

Speaker 23 (44:14):
John is that the stream stream dot org, our main
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content from a wide variety of people. You are going
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(44:35):
will be featured over at the new stream dot Org.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
Yeah, we're all looking forward to it. Well, John to
kind of put a rap on what we were talking
about here with you know, what's going on in London.
I mean it poor tends to what's happening here in
the West. I mean, it is amazing to see how
quickly this uh, this crippled uh, you know London. It's
amazing to me.

Speaker 23 (44:56):
Well, we saw what our mass, what our mess, the
class had in mind, what our rulers had in mind
when Joe Biden just opened the borders to all comers,
and ten twenty million people flooded the country. And now
judges are illegally stopping Donald Trump from deporting even a
few thousand of them. And there's a wave of violence
against ICE officers. It's something like an eight hundred percent.

(45:20):
Em No, it's over over twelve hundred percent, now over
twelve hundred percent, and it's being justified. Maxine Waters called
the removal of the legal immigrants ethnic cleansing. A bishop
and a Catholic bishop in West Virginia compared ICE officers
to Nazi concentration camp guards. Now, what is it legitimate

(45:42):
to shoot Nazi guards? Well, then I guess in this
well with that argument, it's legitimate to shoot ice officers.
This is domestic terrorism that is being justified by our
ruling classes and our pastors and our bishops and our media.
We're what we're seeing is something is a color revolution,

(46:03):
you know, like the US used to do in Latin America,
our CIA would overthrow governments that we thought might be
leaning communists. Our CIA didn't give up on overthrowing governments
and sent and controlling the media. Mike Benz everybody should
follow him on YouTube. Mike Benz. He is a former
intelligence guy. He said when the Berlin Wall fell, Western

(46:27):
intelligence agencies turned their gaze on their native populations, on
controlling their native populations, on stopping conservative Christian patriotic political
parties from taking power, censoring them in the media. And
now we see huge majorities support these conservative parties, even

(46:48):
in France and Germany, and they're outlawing the parties, they're
putting the candidates in prison, they're censoring the media. What
we have are dictatorships coming to power, gradually closing off
every means of descent in countries that we thought were free.
Much of NATO is now as bad as the Warsaw

(47:08):
Pact used to be, and we're supposed to support them.
We're supposed to defend them and send our troops to
fight for them. Donald Trump's recent national security document. Everyone
should find get hold of the official national security document
issued by the President last week. It's all about how
NATO is turning into the Warsaw Pact right, and it's

(47:29):
persecuting its people. It's doing worse, worse than the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union never imported millions of foreign colonists to
come in and replace the native population. Even Communism wasn't
as insane as what's being done now in the name
of diversity in Europe, and Pope Leo is defending it.

(47:50):
He had the nerve. I have a piece of stream
dot org about this. Pope Leo the nerve to say,
anyone who's afraid of Muslims, Muslim immigrants, you're just wrong.
I mean, look, we live in peace with Muslims in Lebanon,
he pointed to Lebanon. Lebanon was a majority Catholic country
set up as a refuge for Middle Eastern Christians because

(48:11):
of immigration, mostly of Palestinians. Christians are now twenty five
percent of the population and they live in terror, they
are persecuted by Muslim militias. The country went from being
a playground, vacation playground to a hellhole. They used to
say that Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East. Well,
now because of Muslim immigration, Paris is becoming the Bayroot

(48:36):
of Europe. Well, the Pope supports all this.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Yeah, look at the numbers here, John. In twenty ten,
the Muslim population in the United Kingdom was two point
eight million. They're projecting by the year twenty thirty four
years from now, it'll be five point five million, which
is an increase of ninety four percent.

Speaker 23 (49:00):
They have a much higher birth rate.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Well, of course, yeah, because they're you know, they're they're
spitting them out like biscuits.

Speaker 23 (49:06):
And because they don't have any they don't have any
respect for women except as breeders of new Muslim soldiers.
That's how they seem. They treat the women the way
we treat factory farm chickens.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yes, that's that's their plan and strategy. And you look
at these numbers that that been put out. This is
according to the Copenhagen Protocols. And it's it's amazing, I mean,
everything is it's there's nothing less than I think forty percent.
Everything is forty up to a high of one hundred

(49:40):
and forty six percent in New Zealand, for example. You
know the projective growth even in New Zealand, John of
all places.

Speaker 23 (49:48):
Well, they you know, jihad is the central pillar of Islam.
Religious war is their sacrament. It's their equivalent of the
Great Commission.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Or the Eucharist r.

Speaker 23 (50:00):
And they have multiple forms of jihad. There's military jihad,
spiritual jihad. They also talk about the jihad of immigration,
where you settle non Muslim countries with Muslims, and then
the Jihad of the cradle, where you outbreed non Muslims
and then you take over and you subject everyone to
third class Jimcrow regulations, special taxes, special laws restricting non

(50:25):
Muslim behavior, intended according to the Quran, to humiliate and
subjugate non Muslims so that they eventually give up and convert.
And that is how countries like Syria and Egypt, and
Tunisia and Morocco, which were once Christian countries were turned
into Muslim countries. That's what happened in Turkey, and that's
what they intend for the entire world, because their goal

(50:47):
is a Muslim planet.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Well, this historic policy paper that Trump put out that
you referred to, again, not surprised the mainstream media could
care less. I mean they're not even curious about this.
I mean, you see what's going on. I mean even
the reports on uh, what's going on England? Like I
told you, very few people are aware of what's going on,
what the farmers are doing there because you know, Starmer

(51:13):
while he you know, said hey, we're going to tax
the holy what have you out of the farmers. Basically
he's stealing their farms. Just what you said, Yeah, you know,
through taxation, he's stealing their farms away. And the farmers
have said hell no. And tractors are there in Britain
and they're blocking up their siege working. And so this
is all, you know again, part and parcel and indicative

(51:36):
of what Trump is warning about. And the mainstream media
lacks curiosity and interest. I mean, what you're talking about here, John,
that NATO is wrapping up its its tentier is NATO.

Speaker 23 (51:49):
NATO has become an anti American alliance and an anti
Christian alliance, and we should we should walk away from
it tomorrow. Let them defend themsel else let them prosecute
their stupid, pointless war in Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
Or give up exactly. But there's no wonder why we're
not satisfying and being able to take care of the
Ukraine Russian war, right.

Speaker 23 (52:13):
Well, that should have been, that should never have happened.
That only happened because our deep state overthrew a legitimate,
democratically elected Ukrainian government because they thought it was too
pro Russian. And then they honeycombed the Ukrainian establishment with
CIA officers and they started opening abortion clinics and transgender

(52:33):
clinics and trying to transform Ukraine in the image of
San Francisco and Berkeley, California, and try to shoehorn Ukraine
into NATO into a nuclear military alliance that's aimed at Russia.
That was the equivalent of when Nikita Kristjeff tried to
put Soviet missiles in Cuba and John F. Kennedy was

(52:56):
ready to start World War Three to get those missiles
out of Cuba. It's no surprise that Pewtin was willing
to invade Ukraine to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. We
would not like Mexico to join an alliance with China.
We would not tolerate that no more would putin tolerate
Ukraine in NATO. The whole thing was ginned up. Almost

(53:16):
a million Europeans are dead or crippled as a result
of this pointless war. That is the fault of Joe
Biden and ultimately traceable to election fraud. And what's happening
in Venezuela is really important because the government of Venezuela,
the Communist dictatorship there, took power through election fraud using
software from this company called Smartmatic that later was acquired

(53:38):
by Dominion. And now we have whistleblowers, former spy chiefs
of Venezuela writing letters to Trump saying our software can
be used to steal elections. We know it is being
used to steal elections around the world, including in America.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
So I over seventy countries, John, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 (53:55):
So Trump is trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government in
order to get proof of that election fraud. So we
can prove not only that the twenty twenty election was stolen,
but that the midterms are probably going to be stolen.
The next presidential election might be stolen because the software
currently in place all across America was written by Venezuelan

(54:17):
communists using China, and is installed on Chinese made computers
with all sorts of back doors open to where it
can be the results can be altered from foreign countries.
We now know the only reason the twenty twenty four
election wasn't stolen was that a server farm in Serbia
which was going to be the hub of throwing the
election to Kamala Harris, some white hat hackers heroically disabled

(54:40):
it just in time to stop it from stealing all
the swing states. And if you don't believe me, go
to Emerald Robinson's show and watch the whistleblowers she's interviewing
about this. It is going to be God willing that
government will fall and we will find all the proof
we need to vindicate the January sixth protesters, Sydney, Paul,

(55:01):
John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani, all the heroes who were persecuted,
some of them imprisoned, bankrupted, hounded by our deep state.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Exactly. You know I've been saying John, as you know,
I'm just looking for that thread that and I and
and something tells me that thread that will pull on
UH comes out of Venezuela, and that that is going
to uh lift the shroud on all this BS and
deception that America has been put under, you know, as

(55:34):
a result of you, you know, and you got to
put it at the steps of Democrats and certainly some
you know, some congenial Republicans sadly to say, uh, we
got to leave it there, John, Doctor John's America from
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Speaker 10 (55:52):
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Speaker 5 (55:53):
When will the app be in operation?

Speaker 6 (55:54):
John?

Speaker 12 (55:54):
Do you know?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
I think next week we'll be hitting the ground off
and run and art as fast as we can, uh,
giving you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
Doctor John Zameric. Thank you, John, Take care of Maeric, yourselves,
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Speaker 5 (57:18):
Hey, good morning, welcome, six minutes after the top of
the hour of Bill Martinez. Here with that doctor Rachel Erinfield.
She's a founder and CEO of the New York based
American Center for Democracy. Good morning, doctor Erinfield.

Speaker 10 (57:30):
How are you? Good morning?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Well, great to have you with us. I wanted to
get your your perspective on, you know, this recent attack
in Australia at Bondi Beach. What's your assessment here?

Speaker 10 (57:46):
It's early bar.

Speaker 17 (57:48):
Series and.

Speaker 21 (57:53):
To me.

Speaker 10 (57:58):
Who have probably don't happened, would have not happened had
the Australian government, the Labor government headed by Albanese Antil
the Albanie would have paid any attention, would have tried
actually to control prevent anti Semitic attacks on the Jewish community.

(58:20):
They have done nothing whatsoever. They have stopped anti Israeli
pro Hamas demonstrations for grisbol A demonstrations in Australia on
October eighth, twenty twenty three, one day, actually it was

(58:40):
because of time differences, it was actually still October seven
in the rest of the world. There were some three
hundred thousand people around by the Sydney Opera, yelling and
screaming gainst the Jews, gas the Jews, so they knew
about it while it was happening, while Hamask was attacking

(59:05):
and killing mothers, babies, elderly, everybody. So, and they haven't
done anything. There were a lot of terrorist attacks before,
but they were not at such a large scope. There

(59:27):
has been many attacks on Jews, individuals, on organizations, on businesses,
and the Australian government has really done nothing. I recall
people are surprised Australia. Well, yeah, it is far from here,
it is far from anywhere else. But I remember visiting

(59:50):
Australia visiting Melbourne and Sydney in nineteen ninety two, witnessing
Progsbela anti Israeli frustrations both in Sydney and in Melbourne.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
And what did you think when you saw that?

Speaker 10 (01:00:06):
Because I was completely mesmer I mean, I was so surprised,
and I said, well, what is going on? So I
was told, yeah, well there was quite a large community
here from Muslims, Muslim communities, and they're opposing Israel and

(01:00:27):
they are Forsbela and this is what is going on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
And where where did they come from?

Speaker 10 (01:00:35):
They came. They came from the Middle East, and they
were just.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
The Middle East in general, not particularly like or anything
like that, just throughout the Middle East.

Speaker 10 (01:00:44):
Yeah, some from some from Lebanon, others from They also
quite a large population from Gazau the West Bank, but many,
many from Lebanon. And there are other Muslims of course
from Pakistan, many of them like the two murderers that

(01:01:08):
murdered fifteen people and wounded something like forty.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Exactly, and nothing was done.

Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
Now, when the Prime Minister released a letter not mentioning, oh,
this was really a very unfortunate incidence, unfortunate incidents, and
he didn't mention anything about Jews. He didn't mention anything

(01:01:39):
about Muslim terrorists, although the police had already announced that
these were radical Islamist that belonged to ISIS. He didn't
mention any of that whatsoever. He just you know, said, well,
unfortunately this has happened. We will try to make sure
this doesn't happen again. That's absolutely not enough.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Yeah, that seems like a common thing. We've been had
a US congressman say basically the same thing about some
National guardsmen getting shot point blank. You know, oh, it's
an unfortunate incident. How does that entered into the vernacular
from something that is so horrific, as you know, murdering people,

(01:02:22):
and now it's just an incident.

Speaker 10 (01:02:24):
Yeah, it really seems that there is the common hate
against America and Israel and the enemies of America or
the enemies of Israel and the enemies of Israel or
the enemies of America. They are against the two countries

(01:02:44):
that really.

Speaker 9 (01:02:47):
Are the.

Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
Are the icons for Judeo Christian societies.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
And i'd say Western civilization, ribanization.

Speaker 10 (01:02:59):
Absolutely, And there is a very strong on the left
and on the radical Islamis side. Uh, there is very
a little bit on the right, like in Tifa, that
are trying to destabilize, undermine both, destroy both and create

(01:03:20):
cows and and at the same time, and which they
hope will lead to world domination.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:03:27):
Little do they know that once the cols actually increases,
those who will take over them as well. The trends
for Gaza and the gays for Hamas will find themselves
not living very long afterwards, and everybody will have to

(01:03:49):
be under Sharia. So they think that they can actually
order the Muslims around their wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
The danger that's here, Uh, it's no longer existential, it's
it's amongst amongst us. Is what we're seeing. And I say,
here in America and you see, you see what's happening
in Australia. You see, we see what's happening in Europe
in other parts.

Speaker 10 (01:04:12):
Christmas Christmas markets have been attacked in every European country. Uh,
not so much in East Europe, but in in Western Europe,
every everywhere. Uh, the attacks, the stabbing, the rape of
women continues. And when when when the perpetrators are caught,

(01:04:40):
Very often they are not. But when they are caught,
the excuses the well, they had some psychological problems.

Speaker 17 (01:04:48):
Oh really.

Speaker 12 (01:04:49):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:04:50):
They don't usually like to even publish their names because
then you know that these are okay, these are not
local uh, people who were born in whichever country. So
this is going on. And the level of criminality and
violence among the migrants, mostly illegal migrants but not only

(01:05:18):
that are allowed to stay in Europe is staggering. And
the amount of their or the level of their involvement
in criminal activity is absolutely mind boggling. Most of them
are living on welfare and that's fine by them, because
they are there in order to take advantage of this

(01:05:42):
infidel country they're living.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Yeah, exactly. Well, look how much money they've taken out
of Minnesota for example. Right, And this is just one segment, right, this.

Speaker 10 (01:05:51):
Is one segment, and we don't even know the full
scope of that. We don't know. It's a billiance. And
the governor luckily is not or vice president thank god, yes,
because he's running for a third term. He of course
doesn't see anything, you know, anything specially about the fact

(01:06:13):
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Somalies who are living there, who are also involved their
percentage involvement in crime and criminality.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Doctor Airfield. We got to take a quick break. We've
got to go a quick break. We'll pick it up
on the other side. More from doctor Rachel Airinfield. After
this stay with us.

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Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
And we're back with you, Bill Martinez here with doctor
Rachel Arnfeld. She's the founder and CEO of the New
York based American Center for Democracy, also the author of
the Soros Agenda. Doctor Erenfeld, you know, I don't know
what more the West needs to see and what they expect.
I mean, just some basic critical thinking about the nature

(01:11:48):
of these people who are coming into America. They have
no respect for Western civilization, for our traditions, for our laws.
They come here into our country, they are now committing
fraud and uh. And then what's worse is we've got
politicians like as you mentioned, somebody who could have been
the Vice president of the United States complicit. I don't

(01:12:11):
know how you did, you know, disengage his involvement with
what's happening in Minneapolis, for example.

Speaker 10 (01:12:18):
I don't and I hope that the actually gets down
to it. He is, he has many many photographs, has
been very close to an omar from Minnesota who really
hates America. She said so, and she hates Israel and
she she used for the expanding the global into FADA

(01:12:43):
similarly to our may are in New York. R h
and Hiss and the people he hired for his administration
are all also for globalizing into FADA programas anti Israel.
So I don't know, this does not actually look too good,

(01:13:08):
but this is really what the This is how the
Democratic Party once was the Democratic Party has been hijacked
first by the very radical left, which actually morphed and
was taken over by globalizing to FADA.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
It's amazing to me because one thing that's under reported
here is how again you follow the money, right, how
much of that fraud, the billions of dollars and we're
only talking Minneapolis, right, how much of those billions of
dollars are going to politicians because that's what's protecting them.
And then also I believe mainstream media is getting some
as we would say in mafia terms, the vague, they're

(01:13:49):
getting some big out of it as well, right, So
they're all getting incentivised to keep us all in the
dark like mushrooms, you know, fed manure, and we're gonna
end up being like Australia here, Joe, what do you
think we.

Speaker 10 (01:14:01):
Will be like what you see in England? England now,
which was the cradle of free speech, now have last
to punish anybody who even looks at comments that the
government doesn't like. Yes, uh, this is incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:14:19):
And Christians are actually being punished in England.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
Well that's and that's around the world actually, I mean
Christian persecution is on the rise. And as you mentioned,
I mean what's happening in Israel's happened in Christianity.

Speaker 10 (01:14:39):
As a Christian, you would be the safest uh physically
and to practice or uh and free to practice your
religion anywhere and any time, go to any church. Nobody
is doing anything, not long is desecrating any churches. As
an Arab, your freer in Israel than you free in

(01:15:03):
in most Arab fifty seven Arab majority countries. And of
course it's a Jew, you are the free. It's really
the freest and the safest country. But the hatred towards it.

Speaker 12 (01:15:19):
And the.

Speaker 10 (01:15:21):
The huge amounts of propaganda funded by even more money
from Qatar. Qatar has more money than Sand. Okay, remember
they are on the shores in the desert, but they
have more money than Sand. And they have been bribing, corrupting,

(01:15:43):
corrupting everybody, and nobody's stopping them. And unfortunately they have
become now a special ally to the United States.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
I mean they're a double agent, are they not, Well,
they are.

Speaker 10 (01:15:57):
The arsonists and and claimed to be also the fireman.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
Yeah, and that's like the Democrats. The Democrats do the
same thing, right.

Speaker 10 (01:16:06):
Well, they actually went after the Democrats. Now they are
going also. They have been also funding some churches, there
have been some religious leaders here in the United States.
They've done it elsewhere. They are funding also on some
people on the right. Like there is a lot of
talk about when Tucker Carlson, for example, and his special

(01:16:31):
relations with Hamas and he's actually in his uh hateful
inciting programs that he has he actually uh falsifies history,
lies about Israel, lies about conservatives here in America. This

(01:16:53):
is very dangerous. He used to be a celebrity for
conservatism in this country. He is no more. I mean
money money, apparently changes can change. I don't know get
people out.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
It's the history of man. What greed and money will do.
I want to transition a bit here because we've got
about four minutes left now. Whytn't you ask to address
this crazy yeah, Venezuela, this crazy stuff. I mean, you know,
you talk about the delusionment that's happening and how our
country is denying things. And again, you know, you look

(01:17:29):
at what happened in Australia and you go, Okay, there's
something here, and are we doing the same thing? I mean,
and Australia, I mean, forget it, they're not even hiding.
And of course I've had other experts say that's the
nature of you know, the Muslim of terrorists, and the
ideology is there. You know, they're very complacent when they're
under five percent, but when they start gaining more than

(01:17:51):
five percent in any kind of area, they become more
and more aggressive. And of course, you know, it just
astounds me that you would have hundreds of thousands of
people just coming out and you know, promoting, you know,
this kind of hatred, and that you would somehow accommodate
What did you think was going to happen after that?

Speaker 17 (01:18:08):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:18:08):
Well? Yeah, and for the same reason when President Trump
speaks about Venezuela and ourcataroism, it involves, of course more
supplying or selling oil Iranian or sanctioned oil, providing arms
to Iran, et ceter It's dangerous because Iran it's together

(01:18:31):
with Qatar, although they are on the Iranians, Alshia and
Qatar or Sunnis when it comes to attacking the West,
when it comes to undermining America, when it comes to
killing Jews, boy, they cooperate very well.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Yeah, exactly. Well, it's the enemy of my enemy, as
they say, you know. And getting back to this s deal,
as I was referring to the Democrats themselves, I mean
what Jim Hein, the Democrat out of Connecticut had to
say in terms of denying narco terrorism that doesn't exist.
I mean, that's as crazy as.

Speaker 10 (01:19:08):
He should read my he should read The book I
have published was published by Basic Books in nineteen ninety
nineteen ninety three, nineteen ninety two. Narco Terrorism I have read.
I have read really the information the history of narco
terrorism is in the book. And sure there is narco terrorism,

(01:19:31):
and it is the narcotics. The drugs are an unconventional weapon.
But the fantastic weapon to kill as many as you
can in your in your enemy, not in an open war,
and you poison them. It's really it's a chemical warfare.

(01:19:51):
And it also helps to corrupt that society that you
are attacking exactly. And also you can use them the
mixtures of people on drugs in order to recruit more
jihadis to go and and destroy them, because these are
despicable creatures, right, And it gets a lot of money.

(01:20:14):
So people are asking, well, if if Venezuela cannot get
any more revenues from the illegal oilselves, what will happen. Well,
they make quite a lot of money on drug sales.
Sure it's not enough, but it's a huge, huge, huge
business and they should be really the Maduro government should

(01:20:36):
really be gone.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
Well, thank god Donald Trump is doing something about it
to protect our kids, you know, Rachel, it's been what
you say, the last decade alone, how many of our
young people particularly that have been targeted with these this
narco terrorism have killed just even in one year more,
you know, we've we had more losses against with young
people in one year than we did what in twelve
fifteen years of Vietnam.

Speaker 10 (01:20:59):
Yeah, and it's not only the people who died, it's
also the people who got addicted and are addicted for life.
Look at what happened in Hollywood exactly when a drug
addict son killed his parents. It is really when they
are going to treatment, it caused the taxpayer a lot

(01:21:19):
of money to take care of them. Also, when they
are arrested because they commit crimes, they are being prisons
are being funded by the tax payer. So the whole
thing is very bad. It creates cows in society, and
it weakens and undermines the society. And this is the
goal of doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Well, doctor Arnfeld, we got to have you back and
continue this conversation because you just opened up something that
I'd been talking about that the media is not addressing,
and that is the ramifications of drug addiction. And of
course we look and saw and horrifically what happened in
Los Angeles, and it's part and parcel of years of
the same thing. We're getting trapped in this denial cycle

(01:22:02):
and not really addressing the issue. But now Donald Trump
has said enough of this stuff, and we're starting to
blow boats out of the water and do something to
protect our kids. That's a good first step, but We've
got a lot yet to do. Right, absolutely right, so well,
Doctor Arnfeld, like I said. She is the founder and
CEO of the New York based American Center for Democracy

(01:22:24):
and the Economic Warfare Institute. She's also the author of
the Soros Agenda. Doctor Arnfeld has always we appreciate the time,
take care, have a good one.

Speaker 10 (01:22:33):
Thank you very much. You two happy holidays.

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Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
Hey, good morning, welcome, good to have you with us.
Bill Martinez here, and we've got the author of the
book Prisoner of Hope Captured by Grace, Ramona Tuma is
going to be joining us in just a moment. An
incredible story here. I mean, let me just read this
subheadline here. When adversity comes, do you give up or
rise up? This author survived abuse, her children's abduction, a

(01:26:33):
hit man, plus cancer and strokes, and she's still praising God.
I think that after maybe a couple of these events, Mona,
I'd probably be just saying, hello, God, help, what do
you do? What are you doing with me?

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
I have done that, Yes exactly. So what a story?
So this book, Prisoner of Hope Captured by Grace? Is
this a book that had to be written?

Speaker 17 (01:27:01):
Yes, it did have to be written. It's a true story,
my story, and it's a book that other people will
find value and find healing in it themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Right, Well, I mean you have the story to tell
for somebody that you know it's going through some tough times.
You can tell them by experience. You know, the Bible
says he who knows that God will do mighty exploits
and that knowing God is by experience. And you've had
a real close experience and relationship with God through all

(01:27:39):
these trials, right, all of it?

Speaker 17 (01:27:41):
Yes, I have. I when I married my first husband,
I was in rebellion and paid for it, and he
was very abusive and he abused me and the children,
and then he had to the children and we didn't

(01:28:01):
know where they were for over a year. And it
was my leaning on God that got me through that time.
And I really did lean on him.

Speaker 21 (01:28:17):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:28:17):
My mother was also dying at the time this was
going on. She had cancer and it was in her
last days and she asked me, she said, Monta, just
can we just pray one more time for the Lord
to return the children? And I told her Mom, I
really have surrendered them, and I really had. I took

(01:28:40):
a long time to get to that place. I said,
someday he's going to return them, but the timing's up
to him. Well, shortly after we prayed that time, and
right before mother died, we did get anonymous phone call
and the children were returned to us, and so she
did get to see them one last time before she died.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
I was going to ask you if that was the case.
That's awesome. So God answered her prayer. Right before she
goes to see God himself, she sees her children, her
grand Yes. Yes, So they were abducted for a year.
So what happened between the relationship between you and your

(01:29:24):
ex husband at that point? Have you did you have
any further connection or any did you have any visitation
with the kids, or was just return the kids that
said I don't want anything to do with anybody.

Speaker 17 (01:29:34):
No, he was court ordered to return them to me,
But then that started a four and a half year
court trial where he was trying to get visitation rights
and anything that he yet not that he cared for
the kids, but that he hated me. And that was

(01:29:54):
evident in the abuse the children had. And they were
you know, quite yet at that time, but they were
still grossly abused at that time also.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
And they're there with their father without you protecting them,
because before you were there to protect them.

Speaker 17 (01:30:13):
Yes, yes, And I knew something like this was going
to happen to them, so I tried to prepare them,
and I taught them a song, and it's an old
song called I See the Moon and the moon sees
me down through the leaves of the old oak tree.
Please don't feel like that shines on me, shine on

(01:30:34):
the ones I love. And I told them whenever they
thought that I was not looking for them or that
they were missing, to remember that song and know that
I was looking for them.

Speaker 5 (01:30:44):
So you had prepared them. You knew that this was
possibly would happen, and so you prepare them in advance.

Speaker 17 (01:30:52):
Yes, yes, And my daughter would there were five at
the time. She was five at the time. She was
going and tell my son, you got to remember that,
Mama said, did not forget and to remember the song.
And she said the only time that she had was

(01:31:17):
was upset with all this at that time was when
it was raining or storming and they would look out
their window and they couldn't find the name. And even
that makes me cry, even all these years down it's
been fifty My daughter's fifty and my son is fifty one.
So this happened a long time ago, and they have

(01:31:40):
wonderful families. They are both really got the kids they
you know, I remarried, uh during that time, and my husband.
If if it had not been for my husband, Jerry,
they never would have turned out well because he was
able to show them a godly man was and he

(01:32:02):
exactly adopted him. He adopted him.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
Wow. Well, and imagine, uh, the adjustments that they have
to go through the trauma, even you know, very young,
because even at that age, their conscience and their developmental
development isn't set up in such a way to where
they can, you know, kind of diffuse this stuff. They're
they're like sponges and they're just taking the hits, right.

Speaker 17 (01:32:26):
Yes, they were, and they were literal hits, especially my son.
The way we found them was my son was thrown
over an eight foot sock fence face first, Oh my god,
and his back was broken and he was cut severely
underneath his eye. And he was taken to the hospital

(01:32:48):
and the hospital and he began to ask them where's
my mommy, And so they began to look for me
at that time, and so it was an outside agent
that connects.

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
Did you not your ex husband?

Speaker 17 (01:33:02):
No, it was actually his, the woman he was living
with was I just got to I just received an
anonymous phone call and didn't realize that it was her
that was the one who set it up and told
them that I existed. And if that had not happened,

(01:33:22):
we don't know, I don't I don't know what would
happen except the lord was in patrol.

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
Oh, no doubt. How far away were you from the
kids distance wise?

Speaker 17 (01:33:35):
They were all I was. I'm from Texas and they
were all the way in California.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
Oh wow, Okay, So.

Speaker 17 (01:33:42):
He had taken him and he was very careful. He
tied him to trees so that he didn't have to
put them in a daycare or our school.

Speaker 22 (01:33:53):
He was.

Speaker 17 (01:33:53):
It was terrible abuse on their part. I have my
daughter and I've done a video of this. It's on animals,
it's on YouTube YouTube. Yes, and she told things, and
she did as an adult, and she told me things
in that interview that I didn't even know that I

(01:34:17):
did not know all these years later, and I had
to stop the interviewing because I was so amazed.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
Oh, my God, I imagine that kind of just reopens
the wound even though God has killed you. I get that, yes,
but still, you know, hey, we can, you know, we
can forgive. But it just God doesn't ask us to forget, right, No.

Speaker 17 (01:34:39):
He does not, and he doesn't ask us to forget,
and forgivenesses don't mean relationship. And that was a real
revelation to me. You know, everyone was saying, well, you
have to forgive him, and I could forgive him until
I understood that forgiveness does not mean relationship with a
harmful person, right, forgive, But I didn't have to have

(01:35:02):
a relationship with nor did the children.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Yeah, you didn't have to be You didn't have to
remarry him or go through all that stuff. And you
know it's just okay. But as far as any kind
of resentment, you said, God, that that belongs to you,
I'm gonna let you guess that right, Yes, yes, yes,
How liberating was that for you when you came to
that acknowledgment.

Speaker 17 (01:35:25):
Well before I came to that acknowledgement, I was going crazy.
I just couldn't find the kids. My husband, Jerry is hurt.
His father was chief of arson in Dallas and even
he looked for the children and he had big guns
looking for them, and uh, we just had nothing and

(01:35:50):
knew nothing. So I was really utterly dependent on God
during that and believing that he was caring for them.
The root problem with me.

Speaker 5 (01:36:06):
I'll tell you, hang on one second, We've got to
go to quick break. We'll pick it up on the
other side. More from Ramona Tom after this stay with us.

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Speaker 5 (01:40:18):
Hey, we're back with you. The book is Prisoner of Hope,
Captured by Grace. What a story and we're barely, just
barely getting into it. It's just unbelievable what Ramona Tuma
and her children have experienced. Mona, as you were saying,
right before the break. Go ahead, I want you to
pick up with your story.

Speaker 12 (01:40:38):
Go ahead.

Speaker 17 (01:40:39):
Well, the real issue with me was after I got
them back, because I had trust in God with him,
and you have the abuse so terrible during that time
I was, I was, I had to deal with a
lot of anger then of God and you know where

(01:41:02):
were you? I was trusting you and then this happened.
And even that I had to surrender to the Lord.
It was my anger towards him. And I've had a
lot of time in my life where I've had to
deal with anger. Yeah, and you have to deal with
it or I'll eat you alive.

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
Well, this was an incredible relationship because you were I
mean to hear what he did. I mean not only
to you but your kids. I mean, he's a very
angry person himself that never resolved it, and he hires
a hit man to come after you.

Speaker 17 (01:41:38):
Yes, we had four years of court trial after we
got them back, because he was intent on getting visitation
and there was no way we were not. He was
not going to have anything to do and we were.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Well, what were the kids thinking, I mean, any possibility
of seeing their father again after all they went through.
They were terrified they'd be traumatized. I would believe right, yeah,
very they were.

Speaker 12 (01:42:02):
And so.

Speaker 17 (01:42:05):
When with my ex husband decided that he would hire
a hitman too, uh take me out of the pature
quote quote and uh. So we got a phone call,
an anonymous phone call, another anonymous phone called, you know,

(01:42:29):
and it was a man telling me. First of all,
he asked me, did I feel like my ex husband
was a very violent man? And I said, well, what
do you think? And he said, he said, well, he
I've been hired to I've been given a thirty eight

(01:42:50):
thousand dollars contract to take you out, and I've been
hired to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:58):
I how do you? How do you prush?

Speaker 17 (01:43:00):
As something like that moment, I screamed, I slid down
the wall and I screamed for my husband, my husband's name,
to come and take the phone.

Speaker 8 (01:43:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:43:10):
And then from there, from that phone call, we called
our attorney. We also called the children's psychiatrists and asked
him what he thought, and he told my attorney he said, well,
I believe that it's so possible that I'm going to
get a life insurance policy to make it worth my

(01:43:34):
wife's while if he does do something. Because the contract was,
it'st me, my counselor.

Speaker 22 (01:43:40):
And my.

Speaker 17 (01:43:43):
Attorney.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
Yeah right, wow, unbelievable.

Speaker 15 (01:43:49):
So here it is.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
You got four plus years of going through. You get
your children back, but now you're dealing with the ex.
He's trying to take you out. He writes a check
for thirty eight thousand, and and you get you get
the call from the hitman. Yeah, a hitman with a conscience. Right, yeah,
well that had to be God. Right.

Speaker 17 (01:44:10):
We asked him. My attorney asked him, well, what did
you do with the money? And he said, I took
my wife on the best vacation ever. I think it
was Italy that it took him somewhere of it. He said,
I took him on vacation. And he said, and then
I got home and started thinking about it, and I
went one of this guy was serious. And my attendant

(01:44:31):
attorney says, well, what do you think and he says, yeah,
he's pretty serious.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
Well, yeah, you paid your thirty eight thousand, you go
on vacation, and you haven't fulfilled your commitment to the contract.
Chances are he's going to come after you.

Speaker 10 (01:44:44):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:44:45):
The contract was also against the judge.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
Yeah, oh wow.

Speaker 17 (01:44:49):
And the judge was absolutely furious, and she said, you know, uh,
he missed. My sensband missed the court trial that we
were supposed to be at and he missed it and
he wasn't there, and my judge asked where we is
he and no one knew, and so she said, well,

(01:45:12):
let's try this case. So she tried the whole case
without him being there and made her really her ruling
of we're finished here. He's you know, stunned deal. And
then after that, my we didn't expect. We didn't know
if we were here for my exit again, but the

(01:45:35):
judge did here, and she granted another trial because she
didn't know if this trial would hold up in appeal,
and we knew the appeal yes, And so we went
through all that, and the judge was at the trial.

(01:45:56):
You know, obviously she was at the trial, and she not.
She slammed her gavel down and she looked at me
and said, you were going to try to get them
by going around to me. No, no, judge, I wouldn't
do that. She said, well, evidently you did, and so

(01:46:18):
that all shut down after that was over. It's interesting
when I was writing the book, just a few a
couple of weeks before. I guess it was just a
few weeks before when I was writing the book, he
passed away. I was stunned. He just and so I

(01:46:41):
had very carefully tried to protect the children. So because
the book had not been totally printed, I went back
and said some things in there that I did not
say before in order to protect them.

Speaker 7 (01:46:56):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
Wow, Uh, that's just an incredible story. But if that's
not enough, I mean, in reading your book, and you
probably felt the same way, did you feel like you
were the real life version of job?

Speaker 17 (01:47:10):
Yes, many times, because here you go through.

Speaker 5 (01:47:14):
All this ordeal, your mom dies of cancer, and then
you get cancer not once, but twice yourself.

Speaker 17 (01:47:21):
Right, Yes, I've had it three times?

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
Oh now three okay, all right?

Speaker 17 (01:47:26):
And I've had two strokes and just finished writing my
second book that's coming out in January. It's called A
Whispering Hope From Darkness to Dawn, and it's the story
of the two strokes and how the second soak was.
The first stroke was bad to take eighteen months of

(01:47:47):
rehab to get through that, and then I had the
second soak. And I keep talking here that I had
to deal with a lot of anger, and I did
have to deal with anger. But Ethan, I was so
angry about the second stroke was A I had been
through the rehab before, but B I had to start

(01:48:11):
all over again. And I had lost all of my
ability to read in the second stroke. It hit the
cognitive part of my brain, and so I lost all
the ability to read and communication skills. And I'm an
author and I'm a speaker, and all my communication skills

(01:48:36):
were gone. So we had to start over with that
and I had to learn to read again.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
Did you ask God? You go, God, what are you
doing to me here? I mean here, You've gifted me
with speaking and the ability to write, and now you've
taken that away. What do I need to get from this? Right?

Speaker 17 (01:48:57):
Yeah? When in the second book, I deal with a
lot of those issues of First of all, I don't
you know, stroke is one of the number one reasons
for death and people are not prepared for it. And
so this second book is how is what happens in

(01:49:18):
the event of these kinds of traumas in your life?
And so I was just going through that with my heart,
you know, and I had I didn't. I don't feel

(01:49:41):
like anybody has to forget God. I mean, he's God,
you know, he's almighty, He's everything. What I learned and
what I talk about in this second book is I
learned what surrender really means. You know, we all talk
about while I surrender it, I just you know, no,

(01:50:03):
surrender means that you give even your life, whether you
live or die. And I wanted to die in this
second so I wanted to my I had it in
Mexico at the second stroke in Mexico, and my daughter
had flew down because she heard me that I was

(01:50:26):
in Uh she could tell by dad, by her dad's
reactions and mine that I was in really bad shape.
I was incoherent. And I also, you know, Paul says,
whether in the body or out of the body, I

(01:50:47):
do not know.

Speaker 12 (01:50:48):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:50:49):
I had that kind of inexperience with the Lord, and
I did not want to come back. I was no
But I heard my daughter crying at the foot of
about Mom, I'm not ready to let you go. And
just that little bit that I heard brought you back.
I knew the desperation what they would feel if I

(01:51:10):
were to go. So I made the decision, and it
is a decision. It was a decision to surrender to surrender.
It was really saying, okay, Lord, my times are in

(01:51:30):
your hands.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
Yeah, exactly, Well, Ramona, we got to leave it there.
I could spend a day with you just hearing all
this because the experience, because when you experience God at
this level, I mean it's in some regards people aren't
willing to pay that price. And and I'm sure that

(01:51:54):
if you were told up front what was going to happen,
the price you had to pay, it would have been
hard to render. As you say, I think our human
instinct is to avoid pain, right, we don't. We don't
want pain. But when you surrender to God in the
total way in which you had to to get on
the other side of this, it's so profound. So how

(01:52:17):
do you how do you write about that? How do
you get people to understand? Because I just think that
this is something so personal and deep.

Speaker 17 (01:52:25):
Well, I felt like I stayed a life for that reason.
My speech therapist to tell me how to read again.
She said, Bona, She said, you need to sing all
of your assignments. I said, sing all my assignments, he says.
She said, yes, loud and clear, And she said, because

(01:52:47):
that activates another part of the brain and what we
have to do is retrain that part of your brain
that needs to be activated so that you can read again.
And so I have a book book that I have
and I have a picture of that page of that
book in my new book of what I had to

(01:53:10):
do to relearn it. And the only thing I could
remember was tongs like Jesus loves me and what a
friend we have in Jesus, And those are the only
things I could remember. I lost all memories, so much
of the memory was gone. My daughter would ask me

(01:53:31):
what year it was, and I told her in nineteen
ninety eight, And it wasn't nineteen ninety eight, it was
two years ago. And somebody asked me, why do you
think it was nineteen ninety eight morning that you were
stuck in, And I said, I'd be believe it's because
that was the most traumatic time of my life, with

(01:53:52):
the first round of cancer, where we it was six
years long. Wow, I was. It was the longevity of
the tests that thought me, Yeah, you know, it's one
thing to just oh, do have tests and so we're

(01:54:13):
going to get up and go. Know that my tests
often lasted for years.

Speaker 5 (01:54:18):
Oh what an incredible story. And she captures this, which
is really a gift, you know, for the reader to
read this story, because uh, I don't know how you
come away from reading her story and not be inspired
and not even really you know again hunger for a
deeper relationship with our father in heaven who loves us

(01:54:40):
so much, Right, Ramona, Yes.

Speaker 17 (01:54:42):
He does, he does. And I guess worst tests brings
greater gifts, you know, yes, yes, And I this year
for the Lord is very strong because I know him.

(01:55:05):
In this second book that I've read, I do a
whole section on how do I get how did I
get through this?

Speaker 10 (01:55:12):
How do I know that I know?

Speaker 17 (01:55:15):
How do I get through this? And I in the
nineteen nineties I wrote a book called Facts about God
and it was a Bible study that I wrote, and
I printed this in this book, this second book that
I've thought, and it's how I knew how I know
who God is? What's my bedrock?

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:55:38):
And my bedrock is I really know God?

Speaker 18 (01:55:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
Well, like we said earlier, and the word says clearly,
he who knows there God will be, will do mighty exploits.
But when you go through this and you know God,
you know that's man's you know assessment mighty exploits. It's
not about the exploits, It's about knowing God, right, what's
so significant? Ramona, thank you so much for being with us.

(01:56:04):
She's the author of Ramona Tuma, Prisoner of Hope, Captured
by Grace. You will be blessed by her story. It's incredible.
I mean, you read this and you say this is
going to be a movie. This has to be a movie.

Speaker 10 (01:56:17):
I mean, I've been told that, right, and.

Speaker 5 (01:56:20):
I can understand why. Mona. Thank you so much for
being with us. Take care, God bless you too.

Speaker 17 (01:56:25):
Merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
Yeah, Merry Christmas.

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