The Bill Martinez Show 12 30 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 30 25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
our values, our politics, and our future. And now Bill Martinez, Well.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Good morning America. Six minutes after the top of the
r Right now, I'm Bill Martinez. He's Troy Anderson. Troy
is back with us. So we're going to talk. We've
got a couple of things to talk about. This new
book that he's involved with, which is quite fascinating and timely.
I'm sure you'll agree as we talk about I've Been
to Heaven that he co wrote with Steve and Kathy

(00:37):
Boyle's Bulls, I should say, And so we'll touch on
that for just a moment, but I want to get
to Troy's feel just in terms of a spiritual context
of what's happening in the culture right now. You know, Troy,
no doubt, since the assassination of Charlie Kurt, you know,
the country, I would dare say even the world, his

(00:59):
head's been turned, you know, upside down because of all this.
And you've got people, especially young kids, you know, looking
for hope. I mean, I think last month it was
reported that Bible sales was up like over forty five percent.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, Bill, I mean it's amazing what's happened. I
mean it's very tragic. Charlie Kirk's asassination, of course as
a shocking event for the entire country and for the
entire world. But you know, since that time, we've seen
this gigantic interest in heaven, you know, because people.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Were talking about or did Chartie Cree go?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
He went?

Speaker 5 (01:35):
He went to Heaven right, and comparisons to the martyr
Stephen and the Bible, and that ignited the early Christianity.
And so we're seeing this explosion of interest, mostly among
young people. I think there's fifty four thousand requests for
new chapters of Turning Point USA after his assassination at
high schools and colleges nationwide. And then our book I've

(01:57):
Been to Heaven just came out, this incredible account of
Steve and Kathy Boyles. He was at the hospital for
forty five days on a VENTI later during COVID. His
wife's a doctor at a hospital in Tulsa, and she
was fighting to keep him alive. She was she had
the prayer team praying for him, and this angel took
him on this incredible journey to heaven. It's just amazing,

(02:17):
remarkable story. Chosen Books say it's one of the most
detailed accounts of heaven that we've we've heard about so far,
and the book's become a number one hot to release
in near death experiences, and it's given a lot of
people hope. It's getting an amazing reaction.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, that's awesome. And Troy, we know that, you know,
people who are ventilated during during COVID, their life expectancy
was measured almost in days. It wasn't you know, happy
sailing to say the least. And the fact that you
know that Steve survived it and then lived to talk

(02:52):
about it. I mean, there was a reason in God's
plan and also that this book would be coming out
at a time. Again, you know, God controls the times,
and here it is. I mean, sometimes you just want
to pinch yourself, you know it just you know, I mean,
first of all, thank you God for that, but I

(03:14):
mean just that that you whenever you find, at least
I do, when I find myself suddenly in a situation
where I'm co laboring with God and I just really
feel like I'm in sync with him, it just blows
me away.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, because you know when Steve was in the hospital
back in late twenty twenty one, and it was actually
he's friends with Pastor Paul Bigley. I wrote Revelation nine
eleven to Pastor Bailey, and so Pastor Bailey told me
about his story, and so I helped him write this book.
I did, you know seventeen different interviews with their their kids,
their their doctor, they're you know, fellow doctors, Steve's sisters

(03:49):
of former deput Attorney General in California, their pastor, their
prayer team, and everybody completely believes the story. They're incredibly credible.
But Steve kept on asking me, Troy, when's this book
going to come out? You know, these books could take
a while. I said, it's always in God's timing. And
then you know, then this this perfect timing when people
are looking for hope. And you know, I've been put
you know, put some posts on Facebook, but I've been

(04:11):
to heaven and getting hundreds of thousands of people, thousands
of likes and shares, people coming to me. There's literally
probably one hundred people told me about similar NDEs that
they've had. Yes, and there's actually scientists are now studying
this and they say that there's a recent article in
a Scientific American about five to ten percent of people
have had NDEs it had and they tell the same story.
They go through this light, they go to some kind

(04:31):
of paradise in heaven, and they have some kind of
experience and then you know, God sends them back and
she says, it's not your time yet, I've got more
work for you to do on Earth. And it's it's
all around the world, and so there's major scientists now
studying this, and so it's a you know, it's it's
proof of that the Bible is true and Heaven exists,
and that's what awaits us if we, you know, give
our heart hearts to Jesus well.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
And the thing is, though, this is a very personal
thing for Steve and probably in many ways hard for
him to put into words, because you're you're traveling in
a plane that and I say a plane, a plane
of existence that is beyond our expression. And so a
lot of this is so personal, you know, for him.

(05:15):
But yet he brings back evidence that whatever he did
experience had to be supernatural, right.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
The way he told this story, so after he was
in the hospital for three months and then as he
you know, was you know, recovering and they put him
through rehabilitation is really quite quite an ordeal. I mean,
very like you mentioned, very few people survived beyond a
ventilator for forty five days. Almost all of them died. So,
you know what, we believe it's brackless that he's still
alive with us. And he started having these you know,

(05:44):
remembering this this journey, this very extremely detailed journey, and
this is very common among Indie people. It's not just
like a dream, but they are completely convinced that they
left their bodies in their spirit, you know, human spirit
person and went on this incredible, uh, you know, journey
to heaven. And there's many, you know, stories in the
Bible of similar kinds of things, you know, a possible

(06:04):
John and you know Ezekiel and and different you know
prophets and that kind of thing. So you know, he
he talks about this angel Marzuka took him to the
welcome center in heaven and uh and it's the amazing
beauty of seeing all this and then you know he's
he talked about that every dog he ever had he
came and jumped on him and like super happy to

(06:27):
see him. You know and uh and uh. Then you know,
he talked about, you know, meeting his father and uh
and going to his father's mansion, and I guess his
dad loves wood carving, so they did wood carving together,
and he talked about going to a Bible study. I'll
let him tell you more about it next week. But
I mean, it's it's really a very you know, inspirational,
heartwarming book. And and I'm just I'm just sort of

(06:50):
blown away by the reaction we're getting from you know,
readers and comments so far.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah. Well, like you say, in light of what everyone
saw with the Assassin of Charlie Kirk, I mean, this
wasn't a video game. This is real life, you know,
and you know, of course, and everything that followed and
the people's reaction, and they're hunger, you know, for you know,
for things of God and for hope, and then this

(07:17):
book goes a long way to help them not to mention,
you know, the thing we call the Holy Bible, right.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean that's that's the most amazing thing, is
that young people are rediscovering the Bible. Like you mentioned,
Bible says are shooting through the roof, and so people
are reading the Bible again.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
I was.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
I was on a bike ride here in Irvine the
other day and there was a kid sitting under a
tree reading the Bible. I mean, when's the last time
you saw that, you know? And so yeah, I think
people are rediscovering the Word of God, that the power
of the Word of God, the miracles that the you know,
God performs in our lives, healing us. That's a big
part of this book is that we have an appendix
of healing scriptures, and so these are the scriptures that

(07:56):
Kathy prayed over Steve via FaceTime when he was in
the hospital. And these are the same scriptures I prayed
over my wife Irene, because while we're writing this book,
she got COVID. It was hostpilied for seventeen days, and
so I was on FaceTime with her praying scriptures over her,
and I believe God saved her life. And you know,
so that's very important to know that Jesus is our

(08:17):
healer and he can heal us of different illnesses and
things like that.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Right, Yeah, because when you study the names of God,
one of the names is Jehovah Rafa, the God who heals.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
So I often find myself you know, especially in when
you find yourself in those needs for healing or praying
for other people, and that you invoke the power of
God's name Jehovah Rafha. So all these names of God
that are so appropriate to our daily lives. That gives
us a lot of hope. And of course God's a

(08:50):
promise keeper, right, So.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, the Bible is full of all these promises. I
forget how many is, but there's a huge number of
promises that God makes to this in the Bible. And
you know, if you put your trust in Him, he'll
guide you through life. You know, of course it's not easy,
but that's been my experience. I've been a believer since
I was eleven. He'll He'll take you through all the
trials and tribulations, the healings, miracles, provision. You know, you

(09:15):
just got to learn to walk in the supernatural power,
protection and provision, the Holy Spirit. And that's how we
get through these these these troublesome times that we're in.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Exactly time to go to break. We've got more from
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Speaker 4 (14:19):
We're back with you, Bill Martinez. Here, I say, on
the other side, on the other side of the break,
we're not in the in the realm of the supernatural.
We're into heaven. But but you know, Troy, you just
can't wait when you think about, you know, the promises
that God has given us, the plans he has for us,

(14:40):
and what's waiting for us. Troy Anderson, by the ways,
a Pulitzer Prize nominated and investigative journalists and the author
of The Trump Code, which we've discussed on several occasions,
and of course his new book that he is co
authored with the Boyles, Steve and Kathy. I've been to heaven,
you know, so that we've been talking about. But you know, Troy,

(15:02):
I want to transition to where we are as a
culture right now. As we mentioned, a lot of young
kids looking for hope right now, Bible sales going up.
You know, some people have even suggested that we might
be in the midst of a revival because of the
reaction that's going on. I have been saying for a
number of years now that I see bonfires of revival.

(15:23):
But it's just we're just waiting for this ignition point
to come in to kind of bring it all together.
But I believe what's going to really ignite it is
the spirit of repentance. We need to get to that
point to understand how we've offended God. You know, it's
like the children of Israel when you read in the
Old Testament, when they came to the reality of how

(15:44):
they offended God, then you know, what did they do?
We hear all kinds of stories where you know, they
tore clothing and of course the famous story with with
Jonahs at Ninebah, where you know, you know, the king
got it and proclaimed, you know, a time to you know,
to confess and put on sackcloth and everything, and they

(16:07):
you know, talking about dogs and that they they even
they even put sackcloth on the animals, right.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, yeah, Bill, I mean that's the key here. You know,
I think we've talked about this on your show before,
but I did that Billy Graham back in twenty thirteen,
and that's that's the exact story. He told me that
when God sent Jonah to Nineveh to warn of judgment.
The king and the people repented and lead the same
thing can happen again at this time in America. And
so I was so inspired by that. In my second book,
Trump Pocalypse, we called for that National Day Repentance, that

(16:37):
big event on the National Mall back in twenty twenty.
Forty two million people watched that and President Trump flew
over Marine one. It's your proclamation for a day of
prayer and return. First president do that since Abraham Lincoln.
And so I think that was a key event. But
it's not enough. We need We need the whole church,
the whole body of Christ, like you said, repent of
our sins. You know, America's sins were very great, and

(17:00):
we need to humbly, you know, repent before God. And
as we do that, then this revival will keep on
growing and growing. And I think that that's what we're
seeing happening now. We're seeing the fruit of this beginning.
But I think we're just at the beginning of this.
In fact, I've actually written a new book about this
revival called Designated Disruptor Trump and Other Unlikely Agents Revivals
coming out. It's the fall up to the Trump Code

(17:22):
that'll come out on January sixth from Krisma House, and
it chronicles this sort of this beginning of this revival that's
that's taking place, and how God is using some of
those unlikely people to help inspire this, you know, like
like Tarti Kirk's assassination. As tragic as it is, it's
helping inspire this revival among young people now well.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
And I would caution the Body of Christ and the Church,
the Greater Church, to be prepared to prepare itself for this.
And if they haven't already seen young people, I mean
we're hearing reports of you know, people being upset because

(18:01):
their special place in their special pew is now being
taken out by somebody who is a visitor, you know,
which is a good thing. It'll prepare yourself. You're going
to have people coming in and but you know, what
is it that God wants you to do? You know,
the Bible talks about a word aptly spoken. We're told

(18:22):
the apostle Paul tells us do not forsake the assembling
of one another. I mean, this is all key right
now because of the spiritual battle that we're in. I mean,
churches are being attacked. Kids are being killed, you know,
as they're in church. And you know, before Troy, this

(18:42):
seemed to be happening in countries outside of America. Well
now it's here in America. It's happening here. And I
think this is a real wake up call for us
to understand that this is a war. And you need
to maybe revisit and do a deep dive on Ephesian six.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Right, yeah, Bill, I mean we have multiple things going
on here. Of course, we have these very tragic, you know,
shootings at churches and synagogues and that kind of thing.
And at the same time, we're seeing the churches have
packed out. I mean, we go to several different churches
here in Orange County and just recently, I mean there's
this jam packed every service, just overflowing with people, most
mostly young people. So I can see how, you know,

(19:21):
you might lose your seat here and there. So I
thought that that's a good thing. And so I think
it's I think it's incumbent on the older generation to
start to mentor these younger people in the in the
in the Bible and you know, the faith journey in
Christ and and and we should go back to Jesus'
first instruction, which was to his disciples to take the
Gospel to all the world. Our our main job is
to share, share our testimonies, share our faith in Jesus,

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tell about the brackless things that you know, God has
done for us to get other people a hope and faith.
And so, you know, help help raise up these these
new believers that are that are flocking into the body
of Christ and help them find their their mission in
God's army. And I've written these books, you know, the
Military Guide to arm and Get in Your Mission and
God's Army of Colonel Giemona, And it's all about how
does it discover your place in God's army and what

(20:05):
God calls you to do? And He has He has
a purpose and missions for all of us. And so
I just pray ask the Lord to show you how
you can help with this revival that's going on now.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
You know, trying you bring up a good point here.
And it's not like God's asking you to walk on
water or part the seas. It's it's give your story,
give your testimony, you know, like I always say, the
blind Man, I mean, one of the most powerful testimonies
in the New Testament. Very simple. I mean, he didn't
understand the dynamic of it all. All he knew is, hey,

(20:35):
this is the way I was as as a result
of meeting this Jesus guy. Now I can see. I
mean it's pretty simple, right, yeah.

Speaker 14 (20:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
All these people posting on my Facebook pages, there are
stories of near death experiences, there are trips to heaven,
how God saved their life, the terrible medical crisis they
went through, and they're still live. They're still here testifying
to the brackless power of God. So you can go
on social media, tell your story, tell your story to
your family, your friends, your coworkers, get given your testimony.

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I mean, that's that's the most powerful thing that we have,
is how God has saved us forgivenness of our sins,
healed us, taken us through the trials and tributions of life.
These are there are very inspirational, encouraging things, and the
Bible encourages us to tell people our testimony well exactly.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
And sometimes you may think your testimony is insignificant, but
you be surprised how God will use that testimony. Right,
no matter how insignificant you may you may think it is,
it could be monumental for someone, it could be life
changing for someone else.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Right, Oh, what's that famous saying in the in the
big City, there's there's nine thousand different you know movies. Essentially,
there's nine thousand or nine million different stories. We all
all have an amazing story and testimony. And so yeah,
to share your share how God's you know, forgiven you
and and and help you overcome things and healed you,
and these things are incredibly powerful to people. There's surveys

(21:59):
out there on that something like fifty sixty percent of
people would go to church and somebody would just invite them.
And so, you know, think about somebody and your your
you know, so your network that might be open to
this and this is invited to go to church with you.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
That'd be a great start.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, you'd be surprised. I mean some people just say
nobody asked, and just just by asking and inviting somebody
can make a big difference, uh, you know, for both
of you, because that's the way God works, right, We're
all interconnected. I mean, you know, God said it's it's
better to give them to receive, but he doesn't say

(22:34):
that receiving is bad.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
You know, it's both are both are good things, you know,
and we're all we are all interconnected, and we're all
descended from Adam and Eve, and we're all part of
you know, God's, God's God's family, and he wants all
of us to go to heaven one day. And so
I think doctor Billy Bram, she's been holding these big
conferences and Steve and Kathy were just that one in Branson, Missouri,

(22:58):
the Autimus simply and there's like three thousand people there
and she's talking about she's been collecting these stories for
many years about all these going to heaven, and she
believes that Jesus taking a lot of people to heaven
and sending them back so they can give their testimony
or the reality of heaven, that that's the real place
that awaits us after this life. And you know, encourage
people to ask you to forgive them other sins so

(23:20):
they can be forgiven and go to heaven one day.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Right exactly, Well, there's lots to look forward to. But meanwhile,
we're here in the here and now and understand this
that you know, the evil is not going to allow
good to have its way. It's going to resist. So
with every awakening, with every revival, you almost see parallel

(23:43):
paths where you have a revival taking place and you
have the evil one raising its head. We got about
thirty seconds left, Troy. I'm gonna let you wrap it up.
Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Yeah, We're in the gigantic spiritual battle here, and so
it's coming to us to put on the full armor
of God. You know, pray, fast, repent, you know, read
the Bible, fellowship, do everything you can to strengthen your
walk and draw close to God. That's the key to
navigating all the spiritual war, for all the trials and tribulations.
We all have these crazy things that happen in our lives.

(24:13):
And so that's what you know I've done and what
the Bible tells us to do. So that's incredibly important.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
You got Troy Anderson, if you let Surprize nominated investigative journalist,
author of The Trump Code. He's got a new book
coming out in first quarter of next year, and he's
co authored this new book with the Boils Steve and Kathy.
I've been to heaven. Troy is always appreciate the time.
God bless my friend.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, God bless you.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4 (28:16):
Well, good morning America, Bill Martinez here. For more information
on the show, you go to Bill Martinez Live dot com. Well,
we've got a story of stories to share with you.
We've been hearing a lot these days about Airbnb, and
before warned here. In fact, I think it's quite interesting.
I was sharing with Matthew Charles Arbitell, who's going to

(28:37):
be on with this.

Speaker 7 (28:37):
In just a moment.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
You know that I had been noticing Nick Saban's AIRBNBTV spot,
which that was quite interesting and it's kind of comical
and people have laughed it off. But as I'm hearing
more and more stories about Airbnb, they're saying, hey, that
is that is the tip of the iceberg, that the
nightmare is worse than going into an airb and b

(29:00):
and sharing a hot tub with the owner of the facility.
And you're going to hear more about Matthew's story here
in just a second, and we'll bring him on now. Matthew, welcome, Michelle.
Good to have you with us.

Speaker 18 (29:12):
Thank you, Bill, it's good to be here.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
V Well, great to have here. Just give you a
little background on Matthews, a former Trump digital marketing strategists
CO founder of Common Sense Elections. We love that common
Sense Elections a super packed and he's here to tell
his Airbnb night story. Nightmare of a story that, as

(29:35):
I'm hearing it, Matthew, this is happening way too common,
way too often.

Speaker 18 (29:41):
Yeah, well, first, thank you for having me and you know,
giving me the opportunity to tell you know, what's going
on and what's affecting what I've learned tens of thousands
of people. I used to love Airbnb maybe ten years ago.
I mean, I've never had a problem. And I hate

(30:02):
to say this, but I'm beginning to believe that some
of what happened may may have been politically motivated. I'm
not sure. I can't exactly prove it yet, but you know,
there's a website called Airbnb Justice dot com where you
can hear this horrifying audio of an insane host and
it's really kind of tragic. I mean to make a

(30:22):
very long story short. You know, I had booked to
stay for a month in New York City with through Airbnb.
The host said well over three hundred reviews, so I thought, okay,
you know, probably could nothing. I don't think anything bad
will happen. I've never had a problem on Airbnb up
until now. And you know, the first two weeks were fine.
She wasn't even there. She was there for the first

(30:44):
few days. We talked, we got along great. The Sun
was there, which was very bizarre. It was kind of strange.
And I remember the Sun had asked me, he said, hey,
does your last name start with an A? And the
way he said it was very strange. And yes, because
in the platform, I use my middle name Charles to

(31:05):
actually avoid anything political. I deliberately use that. Flash forward
the next day.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Even even even at Thanksgiving dinner, when you go to
Thanksgiving dinner, you just use Charles. You don't use your
last name ever again. Steak calm around there to play. Yeah,
just kidding. I don't blame you.

Speaker 18 (31:24):
Go ahead, fast forward. I gotta I got punched in
the face day later by the host Salted and I
saw it coming. When she came back, it was as
if she was possessed by the devil. I mean, when
you if you hear some of this audio, you'll you'll
find out very well.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
It's got it's gut wrenching. I heard it. I couldn't
I couldn't endure the whole thing. And and I'm just
sitting here imagining what you must be enduring. You're there
face to face with that kind of hatred. I mean,
that is rage.

Speaker 18 (31:51):
Oh yeah, and that now thankfully I recorded it, thank god.
But then there's a whole lot more that I had
to endure on the crazy parts. I you know, she
said these words, you know, and I'm quoting she said,
I Am going to kill you unquote. I immediately left.
I was on the phone with Airbnb for at least
five hours. It was a very cold day. All my

(32:14):
belongings were at this place. I was in the transition
of a move, and I'm already two weeks into my
set and I'm pleading with AIRBNBA. I said, please get
me out of here, please something in course of.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Course, what excuse me to say? With Airbnb? Just so
the audience understands, you pay in advance. Oh yeah, yeah,
so you're not paying as you go. Yeah, they got
your money.

Speaker 18 (32:36):
Yep, they have my money. And basically, you know, it's unfortunate.
I mean, I was on the phone with them for
quite some time. They gave me options. All the help
is outsourced to India, so they have no idea what
they're doing. They gave me a few options of places
that were, you know, in a different state in New
Jersey for three days. I had two weeks left on
my stay and I said, guys, that's not helping me.

(32:57):
I was just threatened and I'll never forge had it
on my way back. They failed to remedy any type
of realistic solution. I was exhausted. I said, guys, I
not have all this on via chat on the on
the app, which they deleted twenty three of twenty five chats,
but I saved all of them, and I said, guys,
I'm telling you something bad is going to happen. I
am walking into harm's way. Sure enough, within maybe ten

(33:21):
minutes is when I get assaulted around twelve thirty in
the morning. And then I said, well, even though I
still stayed, if you can believe that, because all my
belongings were there, and it was in the middle of
the night, where am I.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Well, exactly where you're gonna go? Could you lock the
door or anything like that.

Speaker 18 (33:39):
So the you know, the lock was actually broken. Yeah,
and she's already entered my roommate more than once.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
I have that on.

Speaker 18 (33:47):
Audio as well. She'd admitted to it, which I heard, yeah,
that's against the law. She puts some of my stuff
in the fridge. I have pictures of this. You can't
mix me up up. So I barricaded myself in that
whole night and I said, okay, let me handle this
in the morning. And I'm sure Airbnb I sent them
pictures of the black and blue right. Nothing. Just I

(34:09):
was being just. It's profits. There are people They're like, oh,
we suggest do you call it pol et cetera, et cetera.
I said, okay, fine, so I do. I finally call
the police. This was right after that rant that you
can hear where she's She's trying to intimidate me and
force me to leave, is what she's doing. And the
cops they're there within less than one hundred and twenty seconds.

(34:31):
They're there.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Remarkable.

Speaker 18 (34:33):
I was, I was blown away, and they arrested her.
She's being charged with five counts of aggravated assault, two
of which are in I believe the second degree misdemeanors.
They ordered this is by the eighty eight. By the way,
they ordered a protection a restraining order on my behalf,
which is very unusual, right exactly. You know, usually you

(34:56):
have to do it and you really kind of go
out of your way. So the fact that they did
that indicated to me this is not her first rodeo.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Right, Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.
This seems like a model here.

Speaker 18 (35:07):
Yes, And I did a lot of detective work. You know,
I have a good lawyer too, And you know, I
found out that she has five different aliases in the
state of Pennsylvania alone. She's quite the record, quite the
rap sheet. And Airbnb knew about this. And then this
is what opened up Pandora's box. I put this post.
It is around seventy thousand views now and tens of
thousands of comments on TikTok. A friend of mine told

(35:29):
me to do it, and I'm glad I did. This
is when I learned that Airbnb does not require background
checks for host or guests. Oh, and I'm like, are
you kidding? I had no idea through one of the
And then people are submitting me legal documents on TikTok,
like dock numbers and everything. One person had forty eight
counts of a criminal rap. She to forty eight forty

(35:51):
eight things. One of them was sexual assault to this
poor woman who she was sexually assaulted by one of
the hosts. And that's what I see happening time and
time again, is that they've gotten so big. Hosts have
basically become god. They know that they can do anything
they want. They can bully people, they can intimidate, they
can harass or assault, and more or less get away

(36:15):
with it because they can say, well, good luck with support,
good luck, try it luck. And then that's when Donnamy
and then I started to see I really said, you know,
I started to look at this from a different perspective,
and I started to find that there are companies online
that will who work with airbnbs, they're implicit in this,
that will basically buy you fake reviews, fake good reviews

(36:36):
and bad ones. Because it's like she's got over three
hundred review that's.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
A lot, yes, right, yeah.

Speaker 18 (36:42):
And the way she acted and giving her criminal background,
I'm like, there's just no way she's got so many
nice reviews. There's just no way.

Speaker 7 (36:49):
Isn't that up?

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Well, how does the airbing we're going to go out
of three minutes left here, Matthew, How does Airbnb get
away with this? I mean, are they just kind of
some nondescript entity in India or some out there somewhere
in the ether.

Speaker 18 (37:03):
Well, they get away with it because they know that
this is they're kind of just sticking it to the man.
They're basically saying, well, we know that we're well aware
of what's going on, and they have full knowledge. But
they're basically saying, you know, good luck. You know you're
on your own. Basically, if something goes wrong on one
of your stays, you really are on your own. They're
not really going to do anything. They're not going to help,

(37:27):
and they want the host to continue to be god
because that's how they make money. And everything's outsourced, and
this should be Americans helping Americans. It should be these
jobs should be here, you know, a crisis team city
by city, you know, that should be scaled. This is
not too hard, but they're putting the lives of people
and putting profits first. And really, i mean, unless you

(37:48):
have an outlet or a platform, it's it's tough to
get their attention. You know, we father lots to wrong.
Klaim is they're you know, he was the chief of
staff for Biden. Already his judgment is already very questionable. Right,
that's their legal council that's the everything's legal counsel. My
main thing is you know that the women time you

(38:08):
have left is that this has happened to tens of
thousands of people actualy probably one hundred thousands, and they
all are outraged, but they have nowhere to funnel that
that aggression or that or what's happened. And I want
to start to get people to talk about this and
have justice be served to all the stuff that's been
happening to people. It's terrible. I mean, if I was

(38:31):
from Europe, I mean I had to I had to
pay out of pocket for hotels. I have no idea where.

Speaker 7 (38:37):
To go or what to do.

Speaker 18 (38:38):
I know the city I'm from the citey from you
in a Westchester and so you know, I want to
shine spotlight on this and you know, start giving Yeah,
I'll say this solemn majority, maybe a you know, a voice,
if you will, you know, there is a way and
to start, you know, Janet Rinning some buzz around this,
because this is it's not okay to be assaulted. I
I don't know if I can know it's politically one

(38:59):
of it, but it's not. This is not okay.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, well, you know the deal is is that, you know,
politically motivated. I mean, you're you're spend a lot of
time trying to argue that case unless you know, you
find something, you know, some evidence of her that says,
you know, she hates all conservatives and you know whatever,
you know kind of deal. I mean to me, this
is where the law has just gotten overly complicated. It's like,

(39:23):
look at you got you got assaulted. I mean you
can hear from the audio track alone that this woman
is unhinged and she's got a business, she's operating a
business out of her home, and there seems to be
a pattern here of where she has no respect for
the law or even providing the service that she says.

(39:44):
In Airbnb as well, I mean, is there any kind
of disclaimer with the contract that you that you signed
with Airbnb that says, hey, you know, if you have problems,
you're on your own. Good luck.

Speaker 9 (39:55):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (39:55):
It's a question more or less, and that's sort of
they try to kind of hide behind it, say you
you did kind of technically agree to this, and like
these one hundred page things where you click and say, oh, yeah, right,
you know what I mean. But there are statues and
there are laws under you know, extenuating circumstances that will
actually override that.

Speaker 19 (40:15):
Right.

Speaker 18 (40:15):
That's what the twenty three page demand letter that we
sent to Airbnb, which they mostly ignored. Right, They're like, well,
maybe we'll cover medical expenses. You know, I may have
a broken eye. I still don't know yet, you know, maybe.
And so that's where a lot of it gets kind
of interesting, as I say, well, technically you signed up,
and say, well, I don't think people are quite aware

(40:36):
of that, that you're allowing outright felons right to be
on your platform, right, and if people had any idea
or the slightest inclination that it could in an she
was using an alias, I mean, she was using a fake.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Pay Yeah, I mean, the whole deal, the whole deal
is is uh spurious at best. But you know, in
the situation is like who signs up to get assaulted
or sexually abused?

Speaker 18 (41:02):
And this is a I mean, and I thought I
had it bad when I started reading this these horror stories,
especially with the sexual abuse, My heart went out. That's
when I was like, this is this is something else entirely?
I mean, And the the amount of comments I got
and the amount of its one horror story after another,
and justice has not been served for any of them.

(41:23):
One of them there was they paid someone to be quiet,
paid her seven million dollars to not talk, and then
now she I believe the time had lapsed or something
where she's able to talk about I think elements of it.
But she was paid seven million dollars for silence, and
she was sexually assaulted. She was sexually assaulted.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Well, you gotta imagine. God, God only knows what she
must have endured to get a seven million dollar, you know,
buyout like that. That's incredible. Well, Matthew, thank you for
coming on. I'm so sorry for what happened to you.
I'm sorry for any city. And this is regardless of
political preference in that I mean, this just should not
be happening in America. I mean, this is just absurd.

(42:05):
And but but keep us up to date. I want to.
I want to follow this and keep us up to
date as to what's going on, because, uh, you know,
I want our list our viewers, and our listeners to
be aware with anything that has to do with a
airbnb because this is an issue.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
And like I.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Said, what raised a flag for me when I started
seeing those Nick Saban commercials, right, and I'm going, well,
that's odd, you know, is this is what happens because
my understanding of Airbnb, and I've done a couple of airbnbs,
you know, just kind of probably mostly like the experience
you've had. You go there, you got a room, it's
all good, no problems, everything's hunky dory.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
But we're starting to hear more and more stories like
this and this is a disaster.

Speaker 18 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah it is. And you know, I didn't know
about the sabing An interview until you told me a
day ago, and I kind of chuckled. I kind of
found it amusing, and I was like, oh, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Well, well you don't you know, almost been happier if
she jumped in the hot tub with you as opposed
to you know, cussing at you and you know, causing
you to out that night.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
And oh yeah, it was a living nightmare.

Speaker 18 (43:14):
It was a living nightmare, and she was out of
her mind, insane.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, and they let her get away with it.

Speaker 18 (43:22):
I mean, they finally kicked off the platform, but that
took a few weeks.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
I'm like, oh, really, they didn't even do it right away.
They no, no, she.

Speaker 18 (43:30):
And I have screenshots of all that she was still
on there for for a solid couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Unbelievable. It was insane and well, well, Matthew, stay in
touch please, Matthew. Charles Arbitel, former Trump digital marketing strategists
and co founder common Sense Selections. Thank you, Matthew.

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Speaker 4 (48:13):
Hey, good morning. Welcome back Bill Martinez here just after
the weekend of Thanksgiving holiday and time with the family
and all. We got Jeff Camp We've stopped him at
the airport for just a moment so we may hear
a gate open, you know and closing call overhead. But hey,
not to worry about it. All is under control. Hey, Jeff,
how are you doing, buddy.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
I'm well, Bill.

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encourage new people and be encouraged by others. It's great
to collaborate with quality people.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Well, and I like the idea that you said, hopeful,
because this is the first week of Advent and you know,
and I was thinking about this, Jeff. You know, all
the time that the Jews were waiting for the Messiah
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(49:07):
Jesus would one day come on the scene, which in
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what they must have gone through. And then even with
the realization that the Messiah was there, and also here
we are again in expectation and in hope that Jesus
will come back again as he said, because the chances

(49:29):
are he did what he said the first time, so
chances are he's going to do what he he said
the second time.

Speaker 22 (49:36):
Right, Well, I mean the basis of the hope that
the Bible speaks of, the hope that Jesus explained and
of course proved, like you're saying, is confident assurance of
something that is going to happen, which is different than oh,
I hope the Seahawks win the Super Bowl this year,

(49:57):
or I hope that our marriage gets fixed, or I
hope that you know, I get that job. Those are wishes,
but hope in anything that God promises is assurance. So
that's what's so cool about you bringing up this idea
of advent. We first of all know that God kept
every promise in the Old Testament, like he did to Israel,

(50:18):
as hard as things were. And then Jesus showed up
and everything he said he would do, which was a
he said he would die and suffer to give us
redemption and salvation and eternal life, he did.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
And then he raised from the dead.

Speaker 22 (50:32):
So when he says I'm coming back and this world's
going to be troublesome and hard. Like I say, you're
going to face some blitzes, but I've overcome the blitz right,
he says, don't fear, take heart, have hope. I've overcome
the world. That is a confident assurance that God is
going to do what he said he would do. That's
the hope we have, not in a new political regime

(50:55):
or a job that gets better, or even that my
health gets better. It may not be that our health
gets better so we get the new body in.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Heaven, right exactly. Yeah, no, but no doubt. But it's like,
what is your hope anchored in? You know, like you said,
you know, parenthetically, we may think, oh hey we hope
this may happen, or hope that may happen, But what
is it anchored in. What is the belief that that
hope is tied to? And the Father said, look at

(51:24):
if you are engaged and tied to me, then you're
going to realize the full benefit because I don't lie.
I'm the same yesterday, today and forever, right exactly. C. S.

Speaker 22 (51:37):
Lewis said that if you're hoping in heaven, hoping an
eternal life with God, hoping in that things that are
most real, which will last forever. Then you have the
benefit of your future being secure. And secondly, Earth is
not as tough to handle when difficulties happen. He said,

(52:00):
Aim at heaven and you get earth thrown in. But
if you aim at earthly circumstances, like I hope for this,
or I hope for that, or I hope my circumstances
get better, the problem with that is you can't affect
earthly circumstances to much degree. And secondly, you may not
put your faith in Jesus Christ and miss out on heaven.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
So CSS is so right.

Speaker 22 (52:20):
Aim at heaven and you get earth thrown in. Aim
at earth and we miss out on both.

Speaker 7 (52:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
The other thing I want to touch on here, Jeff,
is that you know, the Jews early on had a
real tough time as we do, but even more so
for them because they they say, well, are my sins
really forgiven? You know, I'm sacrificing animals, I'm doing, you know,
the things that the temple tells me to do and

(52:49):
the rabbis tell me to do. But is that really enough?
Do I have what you know the poet referred to
as blessed assurance? Do I have that assurance. And then
here Jesus comes on the scene and he starts forgiving
people of their sins. Oh, my goodness, that just freaked out,
you know, the Rabbis and the Sanhedrin and all the Pharisees,

(53:12):
because who are you, You're not. You know, only God
can forgive sins. So they had half the idea down.
They had the idea that only God could forgive sins.
And so here God Almighty sends us to one who
can blot out all our sins and give us that
blessed assurance that once and for all that our sins

(53:32):
are forgiven, and that we have a restored relationship with
God Almighty.

Speaker 22 (53:38):
My church has been studying the Book of Galatians, which
is Paul explaining to Jewish believers who are threatened by
other Jewish religious people that receiving Christ through grace isn't enough.

Speaker 19 (53:54):
You need to keep.

Speaker 22 (53:56):
Proving your religiosity. You still need a circumcission to follow
these rules. You still need to be moral and earn
your way to heaven. And Paul lets them know Jesus
is the only answer, and it's grace that saves you.
And it's also grace that lets you behave well each day,
because it's not your behavior that earns God, it's his

(54:18):
behavior that gave you righteousness. So I think it's a
great reminder to everyone today. If you believe that God
forgave you in an undeserved way, accept his forgiveness every day,
and don't put yourself through the religious or the moral
hoops to try to prove it to God. Now, God's
love and his assurance of his love is going to

(54:39):
make you not want to be selfish and prideful and
mean and have angry retorts and lose control of yourself. No,
you're gonna want to obey God out of gratitude. But
it's grace that saved us, and it's grace that keeps
us going every single day. We have hope because Jesus

(54:59):
was res from the dead and he's coming back and
he said, it's all by faith, it's all by grace.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Right, And as Paul said, look it the battle on
this plane, in this earthly plane is it's like the
law of gravity. I mean, you're going to constantly fight it,
whether it's your thoughts, your words, your deeds. But the
difference is is that your thoughts aren't going to be
as bad. You're not going to linger on those thoughts

(55:26):
if you are converted, you know beyond. Without conversion, you
linger on those thoughts, and those thoughts then turn into action,
and then they turn into habits, and they will affect
your destiny. Right, But you want it all to be
for good, not down that road that's going to be corrupt. Right.

Speaker 22 (55:47):
Well, the good news is when you actually trust God
and surrounder your life to him. Then the Holy Spirit
comes in. When you're not really trusting him, but you
just believe him in your head and you're kind of
going through the motions as a Christian and you feel like,
I got I gotta do better, I gotta do better,
I gotta avoid that thing, I gotta stop doing that. Well,
that's your personal power, and that's not enough. The Holy Spirit,

(56:09):
when we surrender, is in your heart and your mind,
and that's the voice that says you don't need that,
you don't need to say that, you can avoid that.
It also says you are not condemned because you just
messed up. Just tell God you're sorry. He's already forgiven it.
So it's the Holy Spirit that Bill speaks to us.
It tells us you don't have to run this rat race.

(56:31):
Jesus took care of it for you. But I think
it's a great reminder that some of us need to
make that conversion of not just being born again, but
saying God, I want your total control. I can't avoid
sin on my own. I want your thoughts to dominate
my thoughts. And once you have that surrender, it's like
you're emptying out the vacuum of your life so the.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Holy Spirit can fill it. Yes, exactly, like.

Speaker 22 (56:54):
He's he's the hand inside the glove.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
We're just the glove, right, And when you exercise the
full armor of God, one of the instruments is the
is the helmet of salvation. And when you put on
the helmet of salvation, it's a renewing of the mind
in giving you the mind of Christ. So that's what
you want, that's the exchange. I don't want my mind.

(57:16):
I want the mind of Christ operating this humanoid body
that you've given me, God temporarily, right exactly.

Speaker 22 (57:26):
I'm letting you keep talking because of the announcements in
the airport, keep going well.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
I actually I can hear you, laud and Claire. The
announcements aren't too bad. They're not a distraction. So we've
got thirty five seconds left. So look at this is
This is a great week to focus on hope. Really
meditate and think about the hope that you have and
the hope that God gives you. And listen for the
voice of the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit takes

(57:51):
you through this week and blesses you in preparation for
the for the coming of Jesus.

Speaker 22 (57:59):
Make this week the start of your Christmas celebration much
more than the start of your Christmas holiday, your Christmas celebration,
which is receiving Christ and his Holy Spirit through that
humble dependency talked about well.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Jeff camp a national speaker, author of the book Receive
and the Blitz. He's on tour right now even as
we talk, so we appreciate him hitting the pause button
for a moment to come on the show and to
go one on one with us. Jeff, thank you so much.
Take care, be safe all right, Sea, Bill blacks Leves.

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Speaker 7 (59:38):
Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live, Hey, Good
morning America. Six minutes after the top Yart.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Right down, Bill Martinez, your own with James Bradley. Yes,
he is back with us. He's the author of for
his Precious Rail and we had I'll tell you. What's
WILLI an honored James to talk to you and get
to know you a little bit more the last time,
and talking.

Speaker 24 (01:00:00):
At your background of course your dad who was associated
He was EWEO GM M Corman, right, Doc Bradley himself.

Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
Right, yes, sir, brought to the screen by Steven Spielberger
and Clint Eastwood. Flags of Our Fathers.

Speaker 25 (01:00:18):
Yeah, there it is, yeah, exactly, and of course all
inspired because of your book Flags of her Father's and
and of course this new book about the Vietnam War,
a Precious Freedom.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
It's a novel New York Times, you know, from the
New York Times, number one best selling author, the one
and only James Bradley. And hey, he's acquiesced and join
us now to talk about you know, what's going on
with Zelensky and Putin, you know, James. My assessment is
is that it seems like Donald Trump wants peace more

(01:00:51):
than Zelensky or Putin does. Right now? Am I misreading something?

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
You know? In Precious Freedom? Spook about the Vietnam War,
Lyndon Johnson never said he wanted war. He wanted peace
all the time. He was always it was always peace
and peace plans and we're reaching out and we want
them to come to the negotiating table. But all along

(01:01:17):
he was uping the military equipment, giving more money to Lockey, Bell,
helicopter raytheon. So you know what we've We're after peace
in Ukraine, and we've given him what three hundred billion.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Dollars at least or at least Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
So Trump has increased the national debt two trillion dollars
since just last year. So I don't know, Americans have
to wake up. We've got the best economy in the world,
but we can't afford to pay our bills. We have
to borrow money. And then we want peace, but we're
sending money out. See what I've learned is we're not

(01:01:58):
sending money to Ukraine. We say we send money to Ukraine,
and then we send it next we send it next door.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
To Lockeed exactly exactly. That's the way the built. The
wheels on the bus go round and round, James, you
just follow the money, right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
Well, we got told by Eisenhower that we accidentally built
this system where the military industrial complex was. You know,
I've been in the White House a number of times.
If you look at Donald Trump standing behind him as
a statue, and the tallest guy on the statues my dad.
If you look at the statue, you can see my

(01:02:35):
dad's acne. My dad posed for the statue. And you know,
to Trump, that's all about courage and bravery. But I've
been in the White House in the oval office, and
my idea of the president is he sits at his
desk and outside, right outside, there's seven lions out there
with big mouths, and those are military industrial contractors, and

(01:02:58):
he's got to throw meat. They're the ones that pay
the big It costs a billion dollars at least to
become a president. Who's paying those bills. It's huge government contractors.
And you know people think missiles and bullets, No Apple, computer, Levi's,

(01:03:18):
Burger King, Starbucks. These are major military industrial contractors that
are on the government tit and you gotta feed them
because they get everybody elected.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Yeah. Well, and that's exactly right with Trump. Trump has
probably been one of the most independent presidential candidates in
our lifetime. He didn't necessarily rely on corporate money. But unfortunately,
the thing that operates in DC, as you say, are
all these individual interests, these elected officials that are tied

(01:03:53):
to all these corporations that number one must get re elected.
That is their mission du jour. It is not serving
the American people. It's about getting re elected. So yes,
the hounds of DC are constantly barking around that oval desk.

Speaker 7 (01:04:11):
I wish Americans could have lived with me over the
past ten years. You know, I lived in Saigon, and
Saigon has a higher quality of life than San Francisco.
So my friends in San Francisco say, look at our GDP.
Look at the Vietnamese GDP. They must be poor, we
must be rich. In Vietnam, a girl in a miniskirt

(01:04:31):
can walk around at two am in the morning. She's
not going to get her ass. So, you know, I
wish Americans could come with me to Beijing and Moscow.
Moscow is an art filled, beautiful safe city. Beijing, man,
they are not stealing federal Express packages off of people's

(01:04:53):
back porches in Beijing like they are in America. You know,
I wish Americans would look at the system that we're
in and the quality of life. How's your quality of life?
There's no homelessness in Vietnam. I'm in the island of
Mauritius right now. This is part of Africa. I've been

(01:05:15):
here two years, haven't seen a homeless person.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
You know, what what about drug What about drugs?

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
Well, drugs are everywhere, but not on the streets, sleeping
in the street, drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Not being zombied out.

Speaker 7 (01:05:28):
No no, no, no no no, oh no. See, Vietnam
has the largest military in the world if you include reserves.
It does. I can send you the stats, and that
military is watching the border. So you're an illegal alien
or you're bringing in drugs, you're going to talk to
the Vietnamese military. So, yeah, there's some drugs everywhere in

(01:05:49):
the world, but not sleeping on the street drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
And I don't think Vietnam worries about a two tap offensive, right.
You know, if they do it, I can tap on
somebody who's going to try to criminalize their population.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
Right, But they're inside the borders. If you look at
Eisenhower and Patent, where did they spend most of their
career inside the United States? Guarding the American borders, watching
the Mexican border. We should have the US military instead
of one thousand bases around the world, we could have

(01:06:26):
that military up on the Canadian border, up on the
Mexican border, shut this drug down, the illegal immigration down,
have a nice, clean, safe country like the one you
and I grew up in.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Exactly. No, it's a matter of commitment, and there's no doubt, James,
you and I talked about this before. The nefarious forces
that have come in and have influenced policies in our
country have brought us to this level, and so the
American people need to decide is it worth it? And
as you say, you wish you could take Americans with

(01:07:00):
you to these other countries and their perception would think, well,
Vietnam's got to be some kind of loser country now,
or you know whatever, and then they go, wow, you know,
the women get to walk around late at night and
have a sense of safety. You know, Okay, what's operating
in Vietnam that's not operating here in America. That's a
good point.

Speaker 7 (01:07:20):
So my book Precious Freedom really shows the change in America.
You know, when you and I were kids, we trusted
our government because they basically told us the truth, you know,
and we weren't out building this empire.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
We had media also that would hold them accountable to
keep the truth. But unfortunately the media is surrendered and
they sided with the democrats and they started they turned
it into a propaganda machine.

Speaker 7 (01:07:49):
Well, it's propaganda. It is definitely propaganda. And you know
in my book, the US Marine Commandant David Shoote of
Honor Winner Tarawa says in the book, you know the
media and the government has convinced Americans is that communists
means bad. And he said that's why everyday communist China,

(01:08:12):
the CCP communist China. Well, I don't know really, if
you look around China, go to Shanghai, Beijing, go to
these cities I've been on. I wrote a book about China. Wow,
the quality of life in China, what their money buys,
the safety of the city. So they have a different system.

(01:08:32):
Maybe it's not a system that we would like, but
the idea that there's this good and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Result, the results are there. Right. Anyway, we got to
go to quick break. We got more from James after
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Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Welcome back, Go Martinez here with the New York Times
bestselling author of Flags of Our Father, James Bradley is
with us his new book, Precious Freedom. It's a novel
and a great story about Vietnam. I'm telling you you've
got to get your hands on it. It will enlighten
you and especially you know, for Vietnam friends, Vietnam vets.

(01:13:58):
You know, my friends who served during Vietnam as I did,
I as admittedly as I say, I didn't go in country.
I stayed here Bayside, but you know I was there
during the Vietnam era, so I saw a lot of
the residual up close, not quite as personal as my
brothers did who were in country. And of course my

(01:14:20):
other friends and other Marines, particularly because they served in
the Marine Corps. But you know, course that includes the Army,
everybody else, the Air Force that was involved as well.
But anyway, James continues with us, and James, as you said,
you know, you look at what you know the communists
have done, and you like the outcome. But how do
you fit what the Communists have done in terms of

(01:14:43):
outcome with a constitutional democratic republic.

Speaker 7 (01:14:48):
You don't because they're not communists. They have an emperor's system.
They have a family emperor system, you know, to get
into the Communist party. I mean, how is China communists
when it's creating more billionaires than anybody in the world,
you know what I mean. But I wanted to make
a comment on this, on you talking about the press.

(01:15:10):
You know. I went back to Vietnam and I interview
people who got shot, you know, by the Americans, fought
the Americans, and they said, oh, welcome, We love Americans.
And I said, you know, I mean, I look like
the guy who's shot you. And they said, oh. Uncle
Ho said not to hate the Americans. I said, how

(01:15:31):
do you not hate the Americans? They killed your father
and your sister. And they said, oh no, no, no, no.
Uncle Ho said the American soldier, we should feel sorry
for him because his government is lying to him. Uncle
Ho said, these soldiers, Americans, they don't want to come
to Vietnam and fight, but the governments line them into Vietnam,

(01:15:53):
and so we are a victim of the US government.
And so are they. So they made an empathy by
with them. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
They if you go back to America, you know, a
guy looking like you and me, we look like the enemy.
Oh my god, we're the most popular foreigner in Vietnam.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Yeah, that's incredible. But again, you know, I just want
people to understand here, because it's not like you're being
an advocate for communism, are you. I mean you are.

Speaker 18 (01:16:20):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:16:20):
What I'm saying is it's not communism. We're putting the
name David Shup. The Marines said, we put this word
communism on it. They have an emperor system. It's an
Asian family system. Look back to the emperor system. So
the emperor is the emperor for some reason and has
a bunch of advisors, you know, and then these advisors. Okay, well,

(01:16:44):
the people have the mandate of heaven. And what that
means is if the emperor is screwing up, if there's
war and poverty and things aren't going right, they can
kick them out. It's not communist control in China. What
the ruling part with the word communism, but take that
off of there. If you look at the emperor, the

(01:17:05):
emperor has a deal with his people. I'll increase your
quality of life. I will make more people come into
the middle class, and has ever happened in the history
of the world. I will make the streets clean. I'll
give you four hundred kilometer in our trains. I'll give
you this, I'll give you that, and then I'll rule.
But you'll stay out of politics. My job is politics.

(01:17:27):
Your job is being a citizen, and be a good citizen.
But in America, we think freedom is the right to
stand and yell about the president on a street corner.
But where is it getting us? But anyway, we have
different systems. But China communists. The Vietnamese personal income doubled
in the ten years I was their bill. That's a

(01:17:49):
communist country. No, it's an emperor country and it's being
run like it has for thousands of years.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
And China, the same thing with President g is what
you're saying is that we malinformed. Let's say, let's put
it that way. You're there on the ground and you've
seen it in operations. So you're telling us something you
know different than what you know. We have come to understand,
and like you said, we've all put it under that
title of communism, but not necessarily.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
So I'll tell you a story. My friend one day
came and slammed her fist. We're not going to let
the Chinese take our country. And I'm like, what what?
And then there were riots and Ho Chi Minh and
the police were pushing back the rioters and they were
flipping police cars over in the middle of Vietnam, you know,

(01:18:38):
catching them on. Huge riots all over Vietnam. Why because
the Hanoi government said to China, you can have three
economic zones and these will be Chinese, and the Hanoi
government agreed. The people rioted, hit the streets, and guess what,
the Hanoi government backed off and said no to China.

(01:19:01):
So you know there's a mechanism that they have to
listen to their own people.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
I saw the riots, Bill, I saw the people demonstrating
they are not shy about telling the government what they think,
and the government better listen.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
Yeah, even at the peril of their own lives, as
we've seen at times. Right.

Speaker 7 (01:19:21):
Well, I mean we're shooting, don't you remember Nowark, We're
shooting them dead in the street. Bill, I mean, we
got China and Vietnam don't have ice agents all over
the United States. You know, military guys with big Imagine
if we every day you turned on TV and you
saw Beijing with military guys with huge rifles. You know,

(01:19:44):
you think, oh, that communist system, but we put up
with it in that's a democ I mean, that's a
democratic system with troops in the streets. I don't like
to see that. I don't like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
That's because you're right, because that's because you didn't do
your job in the first place. Because you didn't do
your job in the first place. Now you're cleaning up
after the fact. And here we are. I mean, the
numbers that we've heard in terms of illegal immigration, I
mean it started a ten million, now it's fifteen. Some
are saying, you know, twenty million is many, twenty million
illegal immigrants, that these are new immigrants, James, these aren't.

(01:20:16):
You know, this isn't even counting the probably the twenty
five million that we're already here. So it's just one
big hot mess. But anyway, I want to get back
to again what's going on with Russia and Ukraine, because
I read this morning that Zelensky hasn't even read the
peace proposal. And here, you know, we think we're coming,

(01:20:38):
you know, to the final chapter of this of this conflict.
There's war between Ukraine and Russia. And as you said,
you know, billions of dollars, not only America three hundred billions,
but you got Europe's billions as well thrown into the mix.
And so you know, it's just unless it gets to
the point where Russia and Zolensky won peace more than

(01:21:03):
Donald Trump, more than Europe, then you know this is
going to be ongoing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:08):
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(01:22:14):
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(01:23:16):
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Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
That's a good point.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
Crisis is the point.

Speaker 7 (01:23:20):
Prices are going down in China, personal incomes are going
up in Vietnam. The Mercedes and BMW's are popping up
in Vietnam like tulips, you know. But Paris they're rioting.
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Hey, good morning America. I good to have you with us.
Bill Martinez here along with Jordan Goodman, America's money answers man, Hey, Jordan,
how we doing, Betty.

Speaker 6 (01:27:57):
Great to be with you. You've great to wrap up
the year.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
It's been a bill Yeah, it really has been. I mean,
can you believe how fast it's gone. I mean, and
maybe it's been exacerbated because you know, Trump has just
brought out a fire hose as sin as he came
into the Oval office. And it's just been NonStop, has
it not?

Speaker 26 (01:28:15):
It has in many, many different ways. So let's talk
about some of the winners of this year. Clearly, the
whole artificial intelligence boom has been a big winner. All
the stocks related to that and Vidia, Microsoft, Google, Facebook,
you name it, they're all pushed pouring billions, hundreds of
billions into artificial intelligence. The estimates are going to be

(01:28:36):
something like four hundred billion dollars is going to be
invested in artificial intelligence this year and even more in
twenty twenty six. Just staggering kinds of numbers. And so
all these AI data service centers are being built all
of the country. It's caused a real boom out there,
and the stocks related to that have done well, not
only directly but indirectly. For example, energy utilities having to

(01:28:59):
build new plants and provide new power and update the
grid because there's just not enough power to.

Speaker 6 (01:29:04):
Power all these data episoders.

Speaker 26 (01:29:06):
So that's been clearly one of the winners, and I
think it's going to continue next year as well.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
Yeah, I agree. And speaking of energy, the energy sector
is hot, right, we might say.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
Well, it is.

Speaker 26 (01:29:21):
And one of the other things this year is that
oil prices fell quite sharply. Started the year at about seventy
five something like that, now it's about fifty nine.

Speaker 6 (01:29:31):
I'nder sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
Yeah, I paid the other day. I paid two dollars
and fifty nine cents a gallon here in Florida.

Speaker 26 (01:29:39):
That's been a big winner, really, That's helped the economy
in various ways.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
And we'll see what happens in Venezuela.

Speaker 26 (01:29:45):
But if we take over Venezuela pretty soon and get
oil pumping from there instead of the decrepit nature of them,
that could add even more supply and push prices down
even further.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
So that's been a big winner this year as well.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Could you imagine the prospect I mean you mentioned Venezuela,
The prospect of what a vibrant Venezuela could mean to
South America.

Speaker 26 (01:30:07):
Right, instead of the complete kleptocracy they've got there. And
you know, it had been one of the most prosperous
countries in the world. They gets huge or else supplies
and purely because of politics and the communism of Shaves
and now Maduro, which is ruined the place, it's got
tremendous potential to come back. And let's hope that happens
relatively quickly. I hope we don't have a long drawn

(01:30:30):
out war, have another Vietnam in Venezuela.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, that'd be crazy. No, I agree, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
So that's what Okay. The next area is clearly bitcoin.

Speaker 26 (01:30:39):
Bitcoin started the year about fifty thousand, It got as
high as about one hundred and twenty five thousand. Now
it's about ninety thousand or so. But clearly a lot
of people are moving money out of traditional assets into bitcoin,
and I think that's going to continue to be a
winter next year. It's violatile day to day in long term,
I think, clearly, and President Trump has been kind of
all in on bitcoin, making it easier and making us

(01:31:02):
a major player. Book good because if we didn't do that,
we'd be left behind the rest of the world is moving.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Oh, no doubt, no doubt. And the other thing too
is crypto wallets, right, and which is all part it's
a derivative, but it's all you know, it's all part
of the infrastructure of this you know, data currency, and
so it's.

Speaker 26 (01:31:22):
Going to get bigger and bigger is not clear whene
you want explosure to that. Another big winner this year
has been gold and silver. Gold is over forty two
hundred announce, silver about fifty dollars an ounce. They've had
major moves to some extent, all these countries around the
world are trying to get out of the dollar and
putting money into gold and silver to some extent as well.

(01:31:44):
You've got the so called bricks countries Brazil, Russia, India,
China that's now been added to twenty six countries in total,
Saudi Arabia, Ue, Brazil, all kinds are the places that
are trying to de doollarize and pay for fuel in
this new bricks currency. So that's backed by gold. So

(01:32:05):
that's gold and silver have had a huge move this
year and I think it's going to continue into next
year as the kind of de dollarisation process continues.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
Well, what's going to happen. I mean, you know, we
touched a little bit on fuel and the cost of oil,
you know, down to about fifty nine a barrel and
still looking at being lower. Yet what is that going
to do in relationship to the attack on the dollar.
Because America is I mean, we we're you know, producing
oil like almost like never before, right.

Speaker 26 (01:32:35):
Right, we are the word world's largest producer. But if
oil goes much lower, it doesn't make a lot of
sense for American drillers to drill. Our cost production is
maybe fifty or something like that. Saudi Arabia's cost of
production is four dollars a barrel, you know, so they
can still make money at lower art prices where we can't.
So but overall, lower own prices are good for consumers,

(01:33:00):
uh get puts more money in people's pockets. It's good
for transportation. So that's been one of the big winners
this year. So we'll see. I mean, if Venezuela could
get back online fully, that would add a lot of
oil the market, so that could be positive.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
So that's you know a measure plus plus. Trump is
real tight with the president in exile, who just got
the right right.

Speaker 26 (01:33:26):
Yeah, she would be the likely one to take over,
and she'd be very friendly to us, be a very difference,
And I think you're right. I think this could have
a big influence throughout South America.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
There's some good people.

Speaker 26 (01:33:36):
In South America, like the guy running Argentina, and there's
some bad people so right right were in Columbia, you know,
we're drug runners and Brazil Lulu or there's some crazy
people there. So if we get a nice, stable government
that's kind of pro America and Venezuela, that would be
very very positive.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Well in pro law and order, because then what will
happen is they'll start cleaning up their own backyard, right
because you can't you can't have as she says, these
bad ownbrais are. I think that's Maria Salazar that says
that can have these bad owmebreis running around right.

Speaker 26 (01:34:07):
There's a lot of them yea, and throughout central South
America as well. So that's that's a potential winner next year.
The other big theme of this year was tariffs. Now,
in April, President Trump came out with a so called
Liberation Day put all these enormous taffs. A lot of
them have come down since then, but it forced a
lot of countries into trade deals that we wouldn't have

(01:34:30):
done otherwise, the United Kingdom, Japan, Korea, Australia, even China
and so on. So that's been a big win for US.
The tariffs have taken a toll, though it's hurt a
lot of small businesses in the US because they can't
pass on the costals tariffs to their customers in many cases.
So there's a big cloud hanging over the whole tariff situation,

(01:34:51):
which is the Supreme Court's going to decide relatively soon
whether these tariffs are legal or not. Trump is saying
the reason is legal is nineteen seventy seven emergency law,
which said that the president has power to impose sanctions
never went and mentioned the word taffts during an economic emergency,
and he used that power to do this.

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
We'll see what happens, but I think.

Speaker 26 (01:35:14):
It's likely that the sup of course is going to say, no,
it's not legal to do this, that you need Congress
to approve these kind of things. If that happens, there
could be a lot of chaos because this has been
the major economic tool that the President Trump is used
to get his will in many different ways, and that
could be undercut by.

Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
The Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Well, of course, if it goes to Congress, the Democrats
are just going to have a heyday, you know, because
there anything that would bruise up Trump and undermine his agenda.
And there's no doubt. I mean, you look at, you know,
the net benefit of what tariffs has done in terms
of bringing you know, labor, bringing projects, investment back to America,

(01:35:55):
this sort of thing. I think the net gain is
just humongous and and I think that it would be
a severe decision by the Supreme Court, and maybe they're
balancing that. I know that Justice Roberts balanced that when
we were dealing with Obamacare, as you'll recruit right, right,
and so Justice Roberts, I didn't see him coming on

(01:36:15):
the other side of the bench saying, no, you don't
want to call it a tariff.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
You know, we'll see.

Speaker 26 (01:36:21):
I mean when they had the hearing, the justices were
kind of saying, are you sure this is legal? And
it's also a balance of power separation of powers issue,
because in the Constitution it's explicitly says Congress has the
right to regulate commresce and tafts and this is something
that President I mean President pump. Trump says he likes you,

(01:36:41):
he lowers his tasks. You don't like your your tasks
on his whim. Normally, these are done through trade agreements
that are ratified by Congress, so that's kind of legal.
So well, on purely legal grounds, I think they're going
to vote it's not legal. But if that were to happen,
can you imagine the disruption everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:36:59):
Oh my gosh, yeah, exactly all this is going to
want to refund me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
And all those and all those wars he stopped. You know,
they're back to fighting again. That's right, right, I mean,
there's lots, there's lots hanging in the balance here. I
mean it's almost you know, a domically sort of short
you know, that's hanging over this decision, right it is.

Speaker 26 (01:37:19):
It's I think one of the biggest decisions we're going
to see a long time. So if it if it
goes against the President and they say these are not
been legal tariffs, maybe he's going to try to do
it some other way, but it really should go through Congress.
Would be very difficult to get done. And then it
also blows a hole in the budget. All the business
of Dello's coming in through tariffs all of a sudden

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disappear right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Well, I'll tell you what we got to leave it there,
Jordan Goodman. How can they be in touch with you?

Speaker 26 (01:37:47):
They can always email me Jordans at Money Answers dot com.
And it's been a pleasure being with you all year, Bill,
and we'll have another exciting.

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Hey, good morning, good to have you with us. Bill
Martinez here and also from Focus on the Family, Glenn
Luncheon joins us now he's a licensed marriage and family
therapist with focus. Glenn, good morning, Merry Christmas to you.
I'm going to say it early and often. Is that okay?

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
That's right?

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Once we're past Thanksgiving, Christmas is right in order.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
I love the I love this holiday. I love to
set up with advent leading us in, you know, starting
with you know, hope. This week is a week of hope. Uh,
you know, And I think back, Glenn, you know all
those years ago when you know, Jews especially we're ever
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(01:42:54):
hundreds thousands of years waiting for you know, God's solution
to our sin problem.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Right, absolutely the ultimate answer to our greatest need.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Well, these holidays, there's just something about it. Everything gets
especially augmented our emotions and that good and bad, and
they can take us down some you know, dark streets,
so to speak. And what I love about having you
on is that, you know, for those that may be struggling,
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at that that is a normal response right to your
grief that you may be you may be dealing with
at this time of year.

Speaker 7 (01:43:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Yeah, there's a variety of reactions that we may have.
I think what we do with those reactions is really crucial.
But just recognizing that grief impacts us from our head
to our toes is really an important concept.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Well. And I always think, you know, because here, even
as life goes on, people are being murdered, you know,
on holidays and thinking oh this is you know, that'll
be with them, you know, for Thanksgivings forever. It'll just
be one of those days of memorial that will put
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but God doesn't want us to live without hope.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Right right, right, Yeah. I think I think it's a
scenario where if we allow grief to control us, it will.
If we make a choice to say, okay, by the
grace of God, by the power of God, I am
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of it becoming something that overwhelms us, by the grace
of God, we can have some control over it in
a constructive fashion.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
You know, Glenn. And there's people many people who will
tell you they said it may Bill. Yes, as tragic
as this was, and I wouldn't want it for anybody else,
but God has taught me and you know from His
words that are pure joy whenever you face trials whatever
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one thing to read it and to think about it,
but when you're in the middle of it living it out,
there is a dimension and depth to that verse that
becomes so real and personal when it's all about you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Right, absolutely, absolutely that God, God can make even the
difficult things of life work for good. I mean probably
one of the maybe not always the most timely verse
for people, because when somebody is right in the midst
of their grief, for somebody, to quote Romans eight twenty eight,
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a cold water on their face in the morning, that
type of thing. But the truth is there, and as
we work through the grief, we can get to that
truth beyond the pain.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Yeah, and maybe you know, like a lot of times,
it's just being there, being with someone help carrying the wait.
It doesn't mean you have to say something like as
if all of a sudden you're the Holy Spirit, right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Right, Yeah, absolutely. I think sometimes presence is the most
important thing. If you think of Job and his friends.
It's when they opened their mouths that they started to
get into a bit of trouble God as far as
what they said, but it says they sat with him
in silence for seven days because they knew his pain
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Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
It is the human condition, right, we want to fix everything.
I mean, you know, I know my wife will say, well,
that's just a man thing. I think it's the human thing,
you know, And especially with our loved ones. We don't
want our loved ones to suffer. And we sit there
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And I think there's probably largely two reactions that are
probably less than healthy. One is where we try to
come in, we try to fix it. Maybe we figure
we have to say this or that, and so that's
one extreme. The other is where we tend to then
avoid the person because we don't know what to say,
and so we just pull away. And really an important

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presence being able to maybe ask them, you know, this
is your first Christmas without your child, without your spouse,
without your friend, and what is that like for you.
Sometimes we tend to avoid that when that's exactly what people.

Speaker 4 (01:47:36):
Need right exactly, and to that it opens up the
question is how do you acknowledge your pain?

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
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important it is to deal with it. I like word pictures.
I think scripture is full of word pictures. But here's
a word picture that I think does relate to how
we deal with grief in our own life. When we
don't face our pain, it's like holding a beach ball underwater.
You can do it for a while, but it gets

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pretty exhausting and at some point it's likely the beach
ball is likely to pop up and hitch you in
the face. And so when you have control over the
grief and realize that you can lean into it and
you can lean away from it. Because we're dealing with
grief doesn't mean it's like entering a door that Okay,

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once I enter that door, it's going to consume me
every moment of the day until I'm done with the grief.
You can create those I call them containers of time.
So let's say in the next couple of weeks, you say, Okay,
I'm going to set aside some time for this grief.
I'm going to lean into it. I'm not going to
ignore it. I'm not going to try to avoid it.
I'm going to face this pain because it's real pain.

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But then I also have those other times where life
goes on and I need to deal with the fact
that we are celebrating the birth of our Savior, and
so there are other things. So I'm going to lean
into the grief intentionally, but then I'm also going to
lean away from the grief intentionally, not with the goal
of never returning to the grief, but as a respite

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in order to be able to attend to those things
that need my attention. And I will come back to
the grief as I need to do that, And so
it becomes kind of this rhythm of back and forth.
I'm facing the pain, I'm being honest with it, but
I'm taking a break from it. I'm focusing in on
other things, work, family, the reason for the season, Jesus Christ.

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But I'm also going to make sure that I come
back to the grief so that it doesn't control and
consume me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
And it's okay to say to God this sucks. Huh, Absolutely,
I mean God, God, God can handle that. I mean
Jesus said, look at cast your burdens on me. And
of course I'm not trying to overscripturalize or spiritualize this situation.
Everybody's pain is individual, it's personal, it's deep. I respect that.
But it's also time, as you say, when you lean in,

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it's also good time to hear what God's saying to you.
And it might be a verse of scripture that you
hang up on your mirror that when you hit that moment,
that dark spot during the day, as you will, and
you see that and it re encourages you. It takes
you back to that moment of communion with God where
you felt, you know, the burden being carried by Him,

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you know, and not so much just by yourself. Is
that fair to say?

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Absolutely. I love the passage. I may have quoted it before,
but Lamentations three sixteen through twenty four. What's interesting about
the passage and here was the scenario. Jerusalem had just
been defeated by the Babylonians, so it's a war zone.
It's not a pretty sight. Cries of people dying, fires,
all kinds of stuff going on, and Jeremiah is standing

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over the city of Jerusalem. He's seeing all this. So
speaking of God, in verse sixteen, he says, he has
made my teeth grind on gravel. I have forgotten what
happiness is. And he's talking about really that pain part.
So he goes on for about four verses or so,
and then in verse twenty one, the very next verse,
this is what he says. He says, but this I

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call to mind, and therefore I have hope. The steadfast
love of the Lord never ceases, his mercies never come
to an end. Great is I faithfulness. So you have
this almost two totally different responses. Sixteen through twenty is
the heartfelt response. Twenty one through twenty four is looking
at the truth of it. And here's an analogy that

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works well for me. I just came out of the
dentist office last week with a cavity being worked on.
But when a dentist is dealing with a cavity, there
are two steps. You drill and then you fill. You
drill out the decay, and if you don't get it
all out, eventually the tooth will rot from the inside out.
But then if you just the other mistake that can
be made is if you drill too long and then

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there's no tooth to fill. So that fine balance of
dealing with the pain but then also challenging ourself with
what's true beyond our pain. If we don't do that,
if we're just kind of caught in the pain twenty
four to seven, the tendency can be to move from
grief into depression because there's some physiological things that are

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going on. The neurotransmitters that are being released or not
being released can be problematic. So it's important to give
ourselves that break and to really also focus in on
what's true beyond it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Don't you love that transitionary three letter word button? Yeah?
You know, I love that. I remember the first time
it came to mind. I told some friends of mine.
I said, I finally realized I'm a butt god Christian
and they go, but what do you time, I said, Well,
when you read in the Bible, you'll hear all this
bad news and confrontation and things that are very depressing,

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and then that transitionary phrase of hope comes out and
it rises to the top, you know, just like that
beach ball that's down there right It just the truth
has to come out, and it says, but God, but
for God, I love that about a minute left here, Glenn.
You know, in dealing with this, you know, and being

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honest with ourselves about the pain, is that, you know,
we need to set realistic expectations and not think that
this is going to be immediate healing necessarily. Maybe for
some people it is, but for others it's a process.
And God is true to that process right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Right right, Taking the time, realizing that you're in it
for the long haul, and it's not just Okay, I've
spent two weeks, two months, two years, whatever time frame
and now it's all going to be gone. Sometimes it's
going to be three steps forward and two steps back.
But recognizing that God is in the midst of it,
that he cares about you, that he's holding you. If

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you've trusted and received his free gift through faith in Christ,
you're his and he's going to care for you through
the pain, through the loss. Because that's one thing we
don't have to ever have to be afraid of. We'll
let go of us and that's our.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
God exactly, Glenn. As we wrap things up, remind everybody
where they can go if they need some help and support.
Where can they go.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
We'd love to hear from them. They can call one
eight hundred A family and ask to speak with a
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a consultation is twenty or thirty minutes, and we can
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our website focus on theefamily dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Lynn Legends is a licensed marriage and family therapist with
focus on the family. Glenn, thank you so much. Merry
Christmas once again, my friend, take care.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Merry Christmas to you two bill.

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