February 10, 2025 • 49 mins
CEO of Open The Books, John Hart talks about his open letter to Elon Musk and the great strides that are being made on behalf of We The People to hold our government and our taxes accountable. Then, Alex Traiman, the CEO of The Jewish News Syndicate updates us on all things Middle East. From Bibi Netanyahu's visit with President Trump, Possibility of a Riviera of the Middle East, finding a home for Hamas, neutralizing Iran's nuclear ambitions and keeping an eye on Turkey.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, good afternoon, Bill Martinez. Here we are live. Good
to have you with us. Exciting show for you. After
being off a couple of weeks, got caught up with
a little bit of the flu bug that was flying
around in my travels to Las Vegas and California. Who said,
what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. The flu doesn't
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It chases you down in California. But all is well,
and I pray that your well as your well as well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
How's that? Huh? Okay? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Coming up today? As I said, quite an exciting show.
John Hart, the chief executive officer of both in the Books,
is back with us to give us an update on
all things doze, all things open the books, new revelations,
things that we the people have been begging for for
a long time, and that is to take on the waste,
the fraud, the corruption of our US government. And Donald
(01:32):
Trump is being rewarded handsomely. The latest polling showing that
his approval rate is probably as high as it's ever been,
fifty three percent, probably the highest ever actually. And you
saw the response at the super Bowl, you know, during
during the Star Spangled banner, and that was you know,
the people cheered him. This is the general response as
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opposed to what happened in his first four years with
all the negative Russian collusion and resistance that was brought
to us by the Democratic Party and what damage they
did along with Hillary Clinton, and they seem to have
gotten away with it with impunity.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
How disappointing is that, but you know that's the way.
It is a different error right now, a lot of
positive things that are being done. So looking forward to
talking to John Hart about that. And then also we'll
go to Jerusalem in the second half of the show
to talk with the chief executive officer of JNS, Alex
Treman Is going to give us an update on the hostages.
(02:34):
We saw the release of the hostages and Donald Trump
had made the comment that it was in a sense
and this is my interpretation, not his verbatim comment, but
it means the same thing, and that is that the
pictures that he saw reminded him of Holocaust victims. These
three latest hostages to be released. I mean, this is
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spiking a a response from Israelis to get the hostages
out of there. And as we know from our previous reporting,
the you know, the internal International Red Cross, I should say,
they have been in Israeli jeal at jails to check
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on the Palestinians to make sure they're welfare and everything
is appropriate, you know from diet you know, go on
down the list. This is not what's happening with Hamas.
I mean Hamosi terrorists. They're not civil people. They don't
care about the hostages, and that's clear. I mean, we
don't even know of the remaining hostages. I think there's
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over seventy remaining hostages. We don't even know how many
of those are going to be brought back in body bags.
And I'm telling you that's a heartbreak. I mean, you
saw the response already with just these last three hostages,
and it is upsetting, it's heartbreaking, and there is this
increased sense of urgency. And I will say this that
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the the people of Israel, whether in America or in
uh in Israel itself proper, are very supportive of what
Donald Trump is doing. So right now, let's bring on
John Hart, the chief executive officer of Open the Books. John, Good, afternoon.
Good to have you with us, sir.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's great to be back on.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
How are you built?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Hey, I'm doing terrific. Thank you so much, you know
for coming on. You know, from day one, I have
believed that Elon Musk needed to connect with Open the Books.
I mean, you've got records, You've got information that I
don't think that a judge could block because it's been
long established. So I don't know, I'm a little confused
(04:46):
as to why Elon Musk and his team have not
connected with you.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Well, I think they are using the data that we
have built.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
They're they're putting out our you know, reports and different
you know, tweentty things that that we've been sited in.
So I think there's they are using the data and
the thing the thing to keep in mind too, is
is back back when we create a USA Spending that
was almost twenty years ago. So we put all federal
spending online, let people search it through USA Spending. So
what I'm merging Doge and Elon Musk to do is
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to really create an upgraded version of that, and I
would call it America's checkbook. Yes, And what Elon and Doze,
what they've done, this is really exciting. They've they have
now have a look at what's called the Treasury payment
So the Treasury payment system is kind of like the
Holy of Holies for the administrative state. It's where the
inner sanctum and it's only the high priests that that
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get to access the Holy of Holies. So part of
the reason this panic on the left is that you
have people who actually are looking at waste and fraud
who have access to the money going out the door.
So there's there's the Wooly Lohman principle, let's follow the money.
So what Elon and Doze have done is they've gone
in and they've actually gained access to this to the system.
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And the update now is a federal judge and Obama
or a judge actually blocked them from doing that.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
And the claim is, well, they don't, they don't.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Have the the authority, they don't have the proper clearances
to look at this que sensitive data. And and I
think that's going to get worked out there. They're not
going to be permanently barred from that.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But what I what.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I'm emerging elon and doge to do is to use
access to that to give the American people the same
access they're now enjoying exactly. And the concept is is
you know, as you know and your listeners know, is
that the money in the in the treasury payment system,
it doesn't belong to the federal government. It doesn't belong
to the President, it doesn't belong to Congress or any agency.
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It belongs to we the people, the people. So that
is our money in the in the treasury payment system.
And so the concept is just just as you know,
we ought to have the right to access that, just
as we have the right to access our own personal
checking account. So whether you're America, Chase through US wherever
you know, you you have the ability to go in
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and and and the difference is if you're if it's
your personal account, you can write checks, but you know,
I don't have I don't have the power. I don't
want the power to write checks out of your account,
and I don't want to give you the right to
do that to my account.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
That's called redistribution.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Now, when we have the government, we all pay taxes
into that, so we don't get to control individually. That's
why we have a representative system of government. But we
at least have the right to see, We have the
right to access and understand what is going out under
our authority.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And there is no.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Government other than a government that happens by consent. It's
we have a system of the consent of the government.
So these are basic little principles of democratic governance and
constitutional government.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And so all of the talk about.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Oh, it's a constitutional crisis for Elon Musk to have
access quat access to the system there, it really begs
the questions, well, who was in charge before you know,
we're talking about the executive branch having access to the
to the payment system the executive branch controls. So there's
no constitutional problem there. The constitution problem and questions are
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it is it is true that only Congress has the
authority to appropriate money, but the president has authority too,
he has the authority of the veto pen and there's
but there's a big gray area on executive orders. And
the gray area is the result of this one hundred
year experiment that the left has mounted called the administrative state,
where for a very deliberate effort, we've outsourced authority and
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power to unelected bureaucrats.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
And that's that's really going to be.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
That's what the argument and fight that they're forcing, and
that's needed to happen for decades. So it's a really exciting,
important moment and I hope they capitalize on it and
hope they lock in some of these new transparency tools
that the American people desperately need.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well exactly, it's what they're asking for, John, John, I
was going to ask you, you know what, what arrogance,
what hubris that this administrative state has been able to exercise?
And that was my question was going to be when
did this start to happen? And you just said, was
you know, ever since the birth of the administrative state?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, and yeah, it actually happened, happened a hundred years ago.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
This was really the dream of of kind of the
Woodrow Wilson first progressives and then you add you had
FDR that really supercharged it, and then the Great Society,
and that's that's the path we've been on. And so
I call that that's the quiet constitutional crisis we've been
living under. Is this is this decline of individual autonomy,
this decline of state power, and this rapid growth of
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the unelected administrative experts, and the argument that they made
one hundred years ago as well, you know, we've advanced
so much in the one hundred and fifty years of
our country.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
The society is too complicated.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
We need to really create this class of experts who
will help us save us from ourselves and manage and
manage this new complex life we have in nineteen ten
and nineteen twenty, and that's that was really the precursor
to to this massive expansion of federal government power that
they and turned into creating the part of education in
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nineteen eighty, Great Society before that, and a New Deal.
And I'm not advocating we get rid of every safety
net program. I think we need to perform them, but
we've gone so far that direction that the reason people
are panicking is finally someone actually is moving it back
in a dramatic way.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
The other direction.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
We've you know, we as we've talked about before, we've
had some successes with limiting, getting rid of your marks
for a decade, you know, pausing cutting spending for the
first time since the Korean War back in twenty twelve,
twenty thirteen, during the Coburn Tea Party era. Yes, but
Elon is going to take this to a whole new level,
which is very very exciting along over due.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, we're really lifting the hood in this mechanical beast that,
as you say, you go from you know, the early
nineteen hundreds and fast forward to twenty twenty five, and
the elites that you know, supposedly knew better than the
cumulative consciousness of three hundred million people. What they've done.
(11:03):
They've run us into the ditch. And on top of that,
the monies that they have signed have misrepresented the hearts
of the American people, John, I mean, the American people
wanted to go why do.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
These nations hate us so much?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And little did they know because they're thinking, hey, you know,
I look at my tax bill. I see all this
money going out to support these nations and they hate us. Well,
what they don't realize is that we have these US
AID programs that are promoting color revolutions and disrupting their
traditional family life and religious life in their countries. You know,
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thank you very much the USA, Right.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, I mean what we've been funding.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
We've been funding everything for you know, transgender shows, operas
in Ireland.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
We've done with drag shows at Ecuador.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
So there, you know, DEI overseas, there's been a litany
of of a ridiculous program so that we fund and
and and let's let's kind of unwind that because when
you when you go back to.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
When you go back to kind of the post war era.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
So my one of the interesting things about my family
background is my great uncle flew.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
In the Berlin air left.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Oh and that was a that was a in a
sense you could say that was foreign eight, but it
was it was for a very specific purpose.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Bye bye.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
We weren't doing that for charity. We were doough to
help our own national security. We didn't want the Soviet Union,
we didn't want to start World War three. So what
they did is they they drew a line on the
stand and said no, we're going to provide support for
for West for West Berlin, and.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
They and they did that airlift.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And and so I'm not advocating that we don't have
any role overseas or we don't have any humanitarian role,
but we don't need to be funding drag shows an equable,
of course.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
And what U S A I D.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
What US I D did is they they refused to
allow themselves to be to have oversight and be regular.
Senator Joni ERNs has a great op ed in Today's
Wall Street Journal that that that really is aligned with
what Coburn experience when he was trying to reform programs
in USA. Idea is that they do not want anyone
to have control.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Over their of their budget.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
It's this fiefdom.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
So again, that's what happens when you create the administrative state,
is you shift power away from individuals and even away
from Congress. Congress has given its power away. And and
when someone comes in and conducts over side.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Tear up in arms about everything that Trump does. Oh
my goodness, you know that that job belongs to Congress.
Well what about all the other jobs that you've abdicated?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Right?
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
And it's in our So the question the test really
should be is what is in our national security interest?
It's kind of this idea of enlightened self interest. It's
it's in our enlightened self interest to help Israel, for example. Yes,
it's not in our enlightened self interest to fund a
transgender opera in Ireland.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Those are two very different things.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
So that's really what is.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
They're trying to have a common sense conversation and keep
the things that are good and put those under the
State Department, but do not allow this agency to hoard
power and fun things that are that are contrary to
our national interests.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
That's that's what's what's being what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You know, I look at this and I almost think,
oh my goodness, mel Brooks was a bit pressioned here,
you know, with his producers. Right, it's springtime Hitler in Germany.
I mean, how ridiculous. And this is like, you know,
you look at all these expenditures. But you know, like
one senator said, after a while, you're talking real money here,
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and we're talking lots of real money, especially when we're
thirty six looking at thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, right, yeah,
you got it.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, And and there's an other examples.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Every day there's a new example I mean today there
was there's a report that that we spent fifty nine
million dollars, you know, paying to put put illegal immigrants
in hotels in New York City exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
And that's been happening for months.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Where famous FEMA's out of money, they can't support North
Carolina or Los Angeles, but we and support the illegals
in New York City.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Yeah, it's crazy, and they're they're destroying whole blocks and
hotels and communities, and that's what people are upset about it,
and rightly so.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And so.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Their DOGE is really just getting started, and I think
they're they're going to continue to find these these examples
and then and then I'm hopeful that really to lock
these again, to lock these things into place, you have
to have you really need to take advantage of the
moment to have a better transparency tool that improves on
what we've already built. But then also work with with
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the work with the DOGE caucuses, you know, the members
of Congress like Jony earnst and and Gary Palmer and
others on the House side, to to come up with
kind of an agency reorganization so that these things can
be written into law and you have all of these
all of these progressive members of Congress anicking. It's like, well,
if you don't like what they're doing, go pass a
new law. Exactly, Pass a law that says, I want
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to spend taxpayer money putting up illegals in New York.
I want a law that says we have to on
the DEI project in Ecuador or drag show. And if
that's what you believe, put it in the law and
may happen. You know, they'll complain about oversight.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, the Republicans are in a sense kind of missing
an opportunity here because a wave is being generated to
deal with this problem. And as you say, the door
is open for Republicans to lead the way to write
law to answer this problem. Because the Democrats, meanwhile, they're
lost in the wilderness. They have no idea where north
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and south is no matter all that you know, critical
Democrat analysts have been suggesting for them. They just want
to stay angry instead of Hey, look at the American
people have spoken. They gave Donald Trump the plurality of
the vote. They re elected him into office. His approval
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rate is sky high at fifty three percent. I believe
it's the highest it has ever been.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
John, it is, Yeah, and but I think you know,
really the reason he the reason he was elected is
that people believed and they felt in their daily lives
they were better off under President Trump and they were
nder Biden.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Dot.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
There is a direct correlation. Yeah, there's a direct correlation
between government spending and inflation. And the administration knows this,
and so they've started They've started with, you know, things
that they believe they are going to get public support for.
But I know they're going to very quickly move to
the higher dollar items, things like cutting one hundred billion
dollars a fraud out of Medicare and Medicaid. There is
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an enormous amount of health care fraudt and when you
start to shift that money out of fraud where it's
doing nothing other than enriching fraudsters and criminals, right, and
letting people keep more of that in their own pockets
so we can save and invest it, spend at your
local small business. That's when you have economic growth and
inflation goes down. And they barely even looked at energy,
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like energy, there's a fantastic new energy Secretary Chris right, Yes, really,
somebody should you should follow you, Chris, and I've done
some work with him before on this idea that that
the answer to all of our economic and environmental challenges
is economic freedom.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
We need more energy, not less.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
We don't need to demon on those traditional sources of energy.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
We need to if you care about the planet, if
you care about conservation, we need to be drilling as
much as we can, because we do energy so much cleaner,
more efficiently in the United States than they do in
China and Russia and other countries that are that are
hostile to our interests, right, and so there's dose is
a going to move to those different areas and there
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it's very, very exciting to see them use these new
tools to do a forensic.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Auditing in a way that in a way that we've
been doing.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
So they're really they're taking what we're doing, doing it well,
and we want to we want everyone to.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Have access to all the great information.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well, plus you've got all of uh Elon Musk database
and people that subscribe to them and connect with him.
I mean that's awesome. And what other media content commands
the number of ears and eyes that Elon Musk does.
And so with him being transparent and saying Hey, this
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is what we found out. I mean, like today that
we're building a monument with holy water for doctor Fauci
or something, right, right, I mean yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
And so today also there was the Treasury secretaries of
the past, some predominately you know, Democratic administrations, are criticizing
his access to this data and saying, you know, you're
not qualified access to data. Well, there's no one on
really on earth who's more qualified right to look at
the data and the Treasure payment system than Elon Musk
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and the team of brilliant young you know, data scientists.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And he's Democrats, Nuts, isn't it. I mean, you've got
these these.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Eighteen nineteen year old wonderkins that just say, hey, this
looks weird. What is this line item for? You know,
just asking the question?
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Right, yeah, exactly, And and I think and we've again
we've shown the power of what we call crowdsourcing oversight,
where we've we made all the all the data for us.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
It's been available.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
We want to get it again.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
A more rapid sort of immediate look at it, which
is what the Treasury payment system allows. So I'm convincer's
a way to give the public again read only access
to this data so that we can there's there's going
to be for every four or five people Elon is hired,
there's going to be hundreds of people all over the
country exact that would find this information useful. And and
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so much of the traffic that's talked about, all these
examples of waste, they the fact that we can even
find them is something that we intentionally created the capacity
for people to do. So it's not it's opened the books,
but it's also a lot of other just good faith
citizens who are doing their own research and scratching their
heads and wondering why why are we funding this?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And then they post it online.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And there's a there's a discussion about it, there's a debate, right,
And that's that's how our that's how our founders were
in a country to work.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, you talk about a constitutionalized government and the consent
of the government.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
This is what it's all about.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Right, yep, Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, John, as we wrap things up here your open
letter the Elon Musk to keep the conversation and the
lines of communication open, I know. Joni Erst said that
on day one, she presented Elon Musk with eight pages
and I had to chuck a little bit because I'm thinking,
knowing John Hart, he's probably got about eight million pages
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that he gift Elon Musk.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's just me. I know you wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I'm expecting you to say that, But just knowing you
and knowing the team and Adam Manjski and in his
spirit and open the books and Senator Coburn, You've got
plethora of information here that will that will reach the
objective that the American people have put at the doorstep
of one Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Right, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
We're going to keep up the pressure. Bill, appreciate everything
you're doing as well.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, you know, God bless you. I just am so
grateful for you and the team. Keep up the great
work on our behalf, because look at if we're going
to be a constitutional government form of government, a republic,
then we need to find where we lost our way.
Go back, like any good CEO would do when any
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organization has lost this way, they go back and say
where did we make the wrong turn? And I think
that that has yet to be done. I'm hopeful that
it can be done because it's almost like you have
to go forward, you have to go back in order
to go forward.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Right, No, that's exactly right, and you can trace this again.
You know, one hundred years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
This was a very intentional move away from the Founder's
limitations on government power.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
And that's that's why we're in the situation where.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Well, you got it, but I believe the capacity of
the people to fix it.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Well, John Hart, thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
John Hart is the chief executive officer of Open the Books.
Open the Books dot com as where you can go
to be fully informed and stay up to date on
all things DOGE, all things government efficiency, waste and fraud. John,
thank you for being with us. Take care. Thanks Bill,
our gratitude to John Hart. What a great guy and
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a great team on behalf of the American people. You
know that if asked Donald Trump fix it, we know
that there's problems here. And of course the early reports
that we got from DOZE was extremely revealing. So how
do you go back? You know, as John said, we
have got to take on the inefficiencies of this administrative
state and take back our government. This is what the
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American people are demanding. We go now to Jerusalem, Israel,
to connect with the chief executive Officer of JNS Alex
Treman joins us. Now, Alex, good afternoon, Good to have
you with us.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Good afternoon, Bill.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Great to see you, Hey, thank you so much for
being with us. I'm so grateful that you were here
to talk about. You know, one of the first the
topics that our audience has, Alex, is the hostages. The
recent hostage release. Donald Trump shockingly said very anecdotally that
it reminded him seeing these three hostages come out, It
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reminded him of Holocaust survivors. That is a powerful statement, Alex.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Oh, I mean, I think that everybody can see, you know,
just what horrific monsters come us are. There was pictures
of these hostages or ease, and you see the before
and after photos. You know, lost something like forty to
fifty pounds. There was a picture that came out of
the three of them in a tiny cell which was
clearly in one of the underground tunnels where they were
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kept barely with any food, certainly without any natural light.
They're suffering from severe malnutrition. And it also underscores how
urgent it is to get all the sausages out as
soon as possible, because they literally can befe for death
for them if they remain in captivity.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
And by contrast, the Palestinians that have been released from
Israel have been health checked by the Red Cross. They
come out, they look fairly good. I mean some have
said they've actually gained weight, not lost weight.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
The conditions in Israeli prison for a terrorists are shocking
when you understand how good they have it. They're basically
living in dormitories and bunks with televisions in their rooms.
Many of them have cell phones. They're eating every day.
Many Palestinian prisoners get education when they're in Israeli jails,
some completing university degrees, even doctorates. Ya Ya Sinwar himself
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was sitting in Israeli prison and he was operated on
for a brain tumor when he was a prisoner in
Israeli jails, and he was released in another prisoner exchange,
part of the exchange of one thousand terrorists in exchange
for one Israeli soldier. And the thanks that Israel gets
for saving his life and releasing him was the October
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seventh attack.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well exactly, and this is what Israel understandably and Israelites,
I should say, are concerned about, is that they're releasing
future terrorists clearly, because as has been said, if you
want to know what somebody is going to do, look
what they've done.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Oh absolutely, I mean we know statistically that they go
back to committing acts of terror. It is an honor
for these Palestinian terrorists to be sitting in Israeli jail.
It is literally a badge of honor. They do not
get rehabilitated in Israeli jails. They get further insighted to violence.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
And it's the type of immoral choice that Israel has
to make, which is basically, you know, redeeming captives now,
saving a life now, when it's almost certain that someone
else is going to die later as a.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Result of that. But what do you do? This is
the type of moral calculations that Israel has to make,
and how much we value the lives of those we
can save now and only hope that you know, we
can track these individuals and hopefully prevent the violence that
they will commil later.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, you can only hope that maybe the Masaud or
somebody would give them a pager on their way out
the door, just saying you know, but that's just me,
which I thought was a brilliant move by the Idef
by the way, and many others felt the same way.
But because these are dangerous individuals, they've proven to be.
(27:28):
I mean so much so, Alex that even the neighbor
Arab nations Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia doesn't want any part
of the two million Palestinians coming out of Amas for
good reason, right.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Well, they don't want them. They don't care about them.
They only use them as pawns against Israel to delegitimize Israel.
They're worried that these individuals, if they come into their country,
will destabilize their country. They're not worried if they destabilize Israel.
In fact, they're happy if they destabilize Israel. But you know,
there's not been one country since October seventh that is
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raised their hand and said, you know, we will take
displaced Palestini. If you remember the last of Ukraine Wars
beginning six million Ukrainians fled, and the question was who's
going to take Ukrainian refugees? Even Israel took something like
thirty thirty five thousand Ukrainian refugees, But not a single
country in the world is ready to take a Gazen.
And I think that that should tell you what they
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think about Gozins right now, even when you see the
images coming out of Gaza and you recognize that Israel
has destroyed something like sixty to seventy percent of all
of the buildings in Gaza, you know, leveling complete cities
to the ground, and knowing that Palestinians are living in tents.
It's the winter now, it's the rain season in Israel,
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and they're just sitting in muddy tents and they're still
saying we will not take a single Gazin into art
there exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And the thing is is that with Donald Trump in
the meeting with Bibnetna, who comes up with the idea
that hey, maybe we can turn Gaza into the Mediterranean
of the Middle East, the new Middle East Mediterranean Revere
Riviera Reva.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, I mean, Gaza could look like tel Aviv. You
know it's it's just thirty forty miles south of tel Aviv.
We know tel Aviv can look like it's beautiful and
anybody would want to live there. And the only reason
why Gaza doesn't look like tel Aviv is because the
Goazas lived there, because they had control over the territory
and they don't, They don't recognize the value of the
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real estate. They don't care, and they and they turned
there there, what should have been a heaven into a
terra haven. And you know, I think that Trump understands
that if Gaza gets rebuilt the way you know, and
the Gazas are still there, it's just going to be
the same thing that it was, and is well will
just come in another time and destroy it again. And
I think that what he's seeking to do, which is amazing,
(29:55):
and I don't think it was a surprise, and that
the noalit he said it. But what I think that
he's going to do is ultimately and Israeli Palestinian conflict
for all time and say to the Palestinians, you have
lost the conflict. You tried to win it, you've lost,
and now it's time for you to leave. And this
is going to be Israel. It's not going to be
a Palestinian state anywhere between the Jordan River and the
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Mediterranean Sea.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, let's go back in history.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Alex God designated the Gaza Israel, that is holy land
in and of itself. And there's got to be a
reason that all this destruction has happened, I can help
but believe that maybe God is reclaiming that land for Israel.
What do you think, I mean, it's prophetic what we're
seeing now. There's literally prophecies that you.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Know, Jewish people who read from the writings about what
will happen, and you know about a great war taking
place in Israel and taking seven months to clear the
dead bodies, and nobody knew what they were talking about.
But when you realize that Gaza actually is part of
the biblical Israel, I mean the biblical patriarch Isaac, he
is known to have never left the land of Israel.
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That was one of his many attributes. And yet God
told him to go down to Garar, and Garar is
the area that we know today as Gaza. So you
know Isaac was in Gaza, but he never left Israel.
So what does that tell you.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
About the status of Gosim exactly? And the devastation of Gaza,
I mean it's like Damascus. I mean, it's been so leveled,
as you said, sixty seventy percent of the land.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And maybe you.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Know, for the Air of Nations, the fact that Donald
Trump puts out this idea of saying, hey, look, at
We'll bring in our labor force, are intelligence, and our
assistance to help clean up that land, because this is
not going to be.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
A minor issue.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I mean, we're talking billions of dollars to clean up
the gaza.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Right absolutely. I mean I think billions is like understating
the level of the devastation there. You're starting to see
just how bad the damage has been. Some cities where
literally every building is knocked down, and the buildings that
aren't knockdown need to be knocked down because they're also
pocketed with either board marks or unstable. The whole thing
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basically has to be completely totally destroyed. It's going to
take many, many billions of dollars. It's going to take
many years to rebuild. And I think that's a I
think Trump rather looks at this like a possible realization.
This is a distressed asset right here. We can sweep
in and we can buy property here on the cheap,
and we can develop something beautiful that can be worked.
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I mean, tel Aviv property is some of the most
expensive property in the entire world. So let's just build
another Tel Aviv over here and we'll rep rewards. It's
just a real estate deal.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, the challenge, I mean, first of all, you've got
the land to recover, to remunerate, You've got unexploded munitions,
got only nosewhere that have to be discovered and rooted out,
and two million mean gosins that.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Are terrorists of heart. How do you? How do you?
How do you manage that?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think the gosspe issue is probably bigger than the
land issue.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Well, if you recognize how much leverage the United States
has over countries like Jordan and Egypt, it's a tremendous
amount of leverage. I mean, both of those countries are
completely reliant on American aid, UH, certainly military support. And
you see how the President has been using negotiation tactics
(33:35):
with Canada, with Mexico regarding tariffs, and even with Greenland
and Panama. And I think that there's a lot of leverage.
You know, Egypt saying right now that they won't take
any gosins. I mean the natural place for them to
go is across the border UH into Egypt. And what's
interesting about the war is that also the Houtish basically
(33:58):
interrupted all of the commercial shipping through the Suez Canal,
which is one of Egypt's largest drivers of revenue UH
and Egypt's a very poor country as it is, and
they've been hurt almost as badly as Israel financially by
this war because of the Houtis action. In fact, you
wonder why the Egyptians did not attack the Houtis because
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the Egyptians have an air force and the Houties were
harming Egyptian national interest. And Egypt even took a one
point five billion dollar loan in the last several weeks,
so they're they're really hurting for cash. And I think
that Trump can use the leverage and say a will
give you a major package to figure out a solution
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to put gosins in the Sinai Peninsula, which is a
very large and open territory where most of the Egyptian
populace doesn't live, and it's available, and they can get
money for taking them, and on the flip side of
they don't take them, that he can turn off the
spigot of American funding. He can turn off the spig
of American military aid Egypt. So I think that there's
(35:02):
a lot of pressure that he can put on Egypt,
and he can similarly put on Jordan, and I think
he can also put some pressure on Qatar.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Which needs to prove it about in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
And Saudi Arabia exactly. You know, the Saudis have always
come forward and said that, you know, they wanted to
see a pathway toward a Palestinian state in order to
normalize relations with Israel. But nobody is defined where that
Palestinian state needs to be. And perhaps the Saudis, or
the Egyptians, or Jordan or all three. And the President
(35:33):
has said that, he said, I don't know, maybe one place,
maybe two, maybe six, I don't know. That's what the
President has said. And so perhaps the Saudis will We'll
see a new pathway towards the Palestinian entity someplace else,
and then you'll even see them come around the normalized relations.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
With well Alex.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
My understanding is that Saudi Arabia would be optimum because
of their police force, that they have a very robust
law enforcement organization that could keep hamas and keep these
terrorists in check. And I think maybe that's part of
the challenge for some of these neighboring countries is going, well,
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that's fine, and well we let them in here, but
they're radical and who's going to keep an eye on
them exactly.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's the big problem, I mean, and that's a big
problem also for Jordan, you know, which is already a
majority of that country is Palestinian. Right, if you would
just look at Jordan by demographics, you would say this
is a Palestinian state because well over fifty percent of
the Jordanians happened to be Palestinian. And so the last
thing that they want is two million more Palestinians coming
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in there, because number one, then it will be the
end of the Hashimi kingdom, it will be the end
of king of those rule, will be overrun and will
definitively become the Palestinian state, which maybe should be. And
two we've seen how they've destabilized the countries previously, back
in the seventies. Everybody remembers Black September, and so it's
(37:01):
a big question. And if you thought that the Palestinians
could have made peace before, well they're certainly going to
be more radicalized, not less radicalized by what happened on
the seven.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, exactly like in areas like you say you mentioned
in Jordan, you have to look at the demographic compilation
of how it the balance is there right now, and
you know, two million people it may not sound like
a lot, but if you add two million aggressives into
that area, as you said, it could knock things out
(37:33):
of kilter. And then you've got a situation there where
I think you've got a kind of a balance between
Sunni and Shia, right, and so now the Hamas agency
is more is more Shia than Sunni?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Right, No, Hamas is a Sunni, Hamas is Sunni. Mostly
Jordan is sunny. But as you said, there's there's about
eleven million people living in Jordan right now. So if
you add two million Palestinians and you probably already have
about six million Palestinians living in Jordan. So if it
became eight million Palestinians out of thirteen million people in total,
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that really does affect the demographic balance of the country.
In a place like Egypt, where you have maybe like
many more people, I think something like seventy million, but
I need to check it, you know, or in Saudi Arabia,
where the population is considerably larger, they can absorb a
bunch and even better if you can split them up
and kind of reduce the number so that not one
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singular country has to absorb all.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Well, alex I want to talk about being I's a
meeting with Trump in the White House. Trump immediately immediately
released munitions to Israel, and I got to believe that
he did so because he knows that Israel is prepared
to take on Iran, because as he has said and
(38:56):
others have stipulated repeatedly, Iran cannot become a nuclear country.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
That's correct. And there might have been a little bit
of a disagreement between Nataniello and Trump during the visit
on the next steps to take visa Iran. The President
has already announced that he's going to reinforce crippling sanctions
on the Iranian regime and that he wants to try
to negotiate with the Iranians to dismantle their own nuclear facilities.
(39:22):
I don't really know how you trust the Iranians to
dismantle their entire nuclear program. You can even see a
scenario which they say, sure, we'll dismantle our program, and
they'll dismantle, you know, some degree of sites. It will
take a long time for them to do it, and
there probably will leave other sites that are very deep
underground untouched. You know. Israel knows where most of these
(39:45):
sites are. I think that Israel is probably looking for
a green light to attack. When it comes to the
weapons that were released, we now understand that the Biden
administration was lying when they said they only were withholding
a singular shipment two thousand pound bombs. Both the Trump
administration and the Nathaniao administration now confirmed that it was
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many more shipments of many different types of weapons. And
one of the questions being rightfully asked right now is,
aside from the weapons that Israel had already paid for
and was supposed to receive even from the previous administration,
is the United States now releasing some bunker busting bombs
that body administration never was going to release. And these
(40:29):
are the types of bombs that Israel would need to
conduct fast and effective strikes on Ron's underground nuclear facility.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Well, we know in the last attacks, Israel made it
quite evident that they could attack Iran at will, and
they took out their air defense. So in a sense,
they're you know, they're right for the picking and the
bunker busting bombs have been a point of contention going
(40:59):
back to the old years, which was you know, if
Obama was sincere in saying that Iran would never go nuclear.
We knew that he had his fingers crossed. He was
lying to the American people about that.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, I think that we know that that's the case.
Not only was the composit with Iran crossing the nuclear threshold.
They didn't think that a nuclear Iran was any more
dangerous than a nuclear India or any other country. But here,
if you see how much Iran has destabilized the entirety
of the Middle East, even before they have a nuclear umbrella.
I mean, it's not just Israel, right, you know, they
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destabilized Iraq, They destabilized Syria, which now collapse. They destabilized Lebanon,
they destabilized Yemen, which was involved in a war with
Saudi Arabia. You know, they have destabilized the entire region.
And they've been them in their proxies, have attacked Israel
from seven different countries. And that's before they have nuclear weapons.
(41:53):
And this is a country that doesn't say, you know,
we want nuclear weapons for our own self defense. They're
screaming death is death to America. The leaders of Iran
are saying we will wipe the state of Israel off
the face of the earth. Okay, this is this is
existential threat. You know when maas that put their money
where their mouth is and are funding terror organizations all
over the world saying we're developing nuclear weapons and we
(42:16):
want to wipe this country off the face of the earth. Like,
we're not gonna like we're going to take that seriously. So,
you know, Trump, I think, has come around and he
said even this week, even since the meeting with Natanyao,
you know, we're going to negotiate a deal with Iran
to make sure that they never cross the threshold or
Israel's going to attack them. That's one of the two.
So you know, we have to see what what the
(42:36):
timeline is. I know for Israel, I don't know if
they want to wait to see how effective sanctions can be.
I think for Prime Minister Natanao, he believes that this
is a now or and ever moment. You mentioned that
the air defenses have been stripped, so it does seem
like the timing fernt Israeli strike is very good.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, exactly, Alex.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
We've got a couple of minutes left here and you
mentioned Syria, and of course that takes me north to Turkey.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
We've got to keep our eyes on Turkey right absolutely.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
You know, Iran's influence over the region is weakening dramatically.
And we see that the second Kitzbal wasn't there and
Iran's air defenses were stripped. That that created a weakness
that was exploited. But al Jilani, who is now considered
that the facto president of Syria, who the Biden administration
(43:26):
says is were formed. I mean, he's got al Qaeda connections,
and it's very clear that he and his terrifaction have
been trained and armed by Turkey. Turkey also smelled the weakness.
And when any of vacuum is gets created in the
Middle East, different forces are going to try to fill
that vacuum. And so Turkey is trying to fill that
(43:46):
vacuum and sees Syria as a forward facing base against
the State of Israel. And so this is really just
trading at this point one enemy for another. Israel is
quite aware of how dangerous a threat Turkey could be,
and they're going to remain on guard.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
And what could this mean for the Kurds.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
I think that this what you know, if you see
solid diplomacy led by the Trump administration. You could see
a block where the Kurds and the Druis in southern
Lebanon and Israel form an alliance that basically kind of
cuts off Syria in half and make sure that Turkey's
backed forces can only remain in the north section of
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that country. Said, there is a buffer zone between between
Turkey's forces and the State of Israel. The Kurds are
are an ethnic minority that deserve a state much more
than Palestinians, and that includes Syria, and that also includes
the Iraqi Kurds. You know, a lot of these countries
were drawn up, you know, by imperialists British and French
(44:49):
after World War Two, and you know, we'll see if
they wind up getting a state. Certainly there would be
in a natural alliance between the Kurds and the State
of Israel.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Well, our thanks to Alex Trehman, the chief execut officer
of the Jewish news syndicate Jans dot orgus where you
want to go to stay informed. Any parting words here, Alex,
as we wrap things.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Up, well, thank you so much. Bill. I mean, I
definitely think we got to keep a close eye on
Trump's policies. But I can tell you that for the
first time that the Ninta Noiao administration and the Trump
administration we're getting together like friends, which is a lot
different than the reluctant allies that Israel had with the
previous administration.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Alex Trainman again, thank you so much. Shut On, take
care well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Bill got it.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Well, that's a wrap for us. Our thanks and gratitude
to Alex Treman from Jans. Jans dot org is where
you want to go for more information. As we mentioned,
to stay up to date on all things in the
Middle East. They do such an outstanding job in keeping
us up to date, and that's why I'm so grateful
for Alex to take the time. It's very late in
Israel right now for him to stay up late then
(45:55):
to you know, go around the entire region and give
us an update on all these different factions and you know,
possibilities for peace in the Middle East. Ladies and gentlemen,
that we continue to pray for the piece of Jerusalem.
Also again thanks to John Hart, the chief executive officer
of Opening the Books.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Open the Books dot.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Com is where you want to go for more information
to stay in the flow of the NOE say dot
com dot org. Anyway, the information is all right there,
all that doze is doing, all that open the books
has been doing, you know, for what twenty plus year
is almost twenty five years now in terms of, you know,
doing a deep drill dive into the fraud and waste
(46:37):
and corruption of our government. This is what you've been
asking for. This has been going on for over one
hundred years. Ladies and gentlemen, we know it, and now
we have an opportunity. I mean, this is a clarion
moment that we're at right now. That requires courage, It
requires conviction and leadership, and we have the leadership in
Donald Trump, and we need to continue to support what
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Donald Trump is doing. Elon Musk and those eighteen nineteen
year old wonderkids that are asking questions as they go
looking through this evidence and the books that our government
has been hiding away from us. I mean, you know,
as others have said, if you have nothing to hide
and you're so honest, then why are you hiding things?
(47:23):
I mean, there is a reason that they do not
want us to know. And we've gotten already a shocking
brief look at what's happened with our money, just with usaid,
you know, like a twenty million for Sesame street show
in a rock propaganda, fifty six million to boost tourism
in Tunisia and Egypt. Who knew, right, forty million to
(47:47):
build schools in Jordan, like they don't have enough money already.
Eleven million to tell Vietnam to stop burning trash. Eleven
million dollars, right, let's tell him stop burning trash. You
know that it requires eleven million dollars of America's tax money.
Two million to strength and trans led organizations to deliver
gender affirming healthcare. This is where it goes down a
(48:09):
slippery slope because then you get Dai involved DEI scholarships
in Burma forty five million dollars. I mean, this smacks
of a color revolution where America in the name of
the United States of America and red, white, and blue
go in and disrupt the traditions and the faith of communities.
(48:31):
And that's a case in point right there. Five hundred
and twenty million for consultant driven ESG investments in Africa.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. I
want to thank you all for joining us and sharing
a part of your afternoon with us. May God bless you.
And deep you may make his face shine about you.
God bless, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, good afternoon, Bill Martinez. Here we are live. Good
to have you with us. Exciting show for you. After
being off a couple of weeks, got caught up with
a little bit of the flu bug that was flying
around in my travels to Las Vegas and California. Who said,
what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. The flu doesn't
(00:58):
It chases you down in California. But all is well,
and I pray that your well as your well as well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
How's that? Huh? Okay? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Coming up today? As I said, quite an exciting show.
John Hart, the chief executive officer of both in the Books,
is back with us to give us an update on
all things doze, all things open the books, new revelations,
things that we the people have been begging for for
a long time, and that is to take on the waste,
the fraud, the corruption of our US government. And Donald
(01:32):
Trump is being rewarded handsomely. The latest polling showing that
his approval rate is probably as high as it's ever been,
fifty three percent, probably the highest ever actually. And you
saw the response at the super Bowl, you know, during
during the Star Spangled banner, and that was you know,
the people cheered him. This is the general response as
(01:54):
opposed to what happened in his first four years with
all the negative Russian collusion and resistance that was brought
to us by the Democratic Party and what damage they
did along with Hillary Clinton, and they seem to have
gotten away with it with impunity.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
How disappointing is that, but you know that's the way.
It is a different error right now, a lot of
positive things that are being done. So looking forward to
talking to John Hart about that. And then also we'll
go to Jerusalem in the second half of the show
to talk with the chief executive officer of JNS, Alex
Treman Is going to give us an update on the hostages.
(02:34):
We saw the release of the hostages and Donald Trump
had made the comment that it was in a sense
and this is my interpretation, not his verbatim comment, but
it means the same thing, and that is that the
pictures that he saw reminded him of Holocaust victims. These
three latest hostages to be released. I mean, this is
(02:57):
spiking a a response from Israelis to get the hostages
out of there. And as we know from our previous reporting,
the you know, the internal International Red Cross, I should say,
they have been in Israeli jeal at jails to check
(03:18):
on the Palestinians to make sure they're welfare and everything
is appropriate, you know from diet you know, go on
down the list. This is not what's happening with Hamas.
I mean Hamosi terrorists. They're not civil people. They don't
care about the hostages, and that's clear. I mean, we
don't even know of the remaining hostages. I think there's
(03:40):
over seventy remaining hostages. We don't even know how many
of those are going to be brought back in body bags.
And I'm telling you that's a heartbreak. I mean, you
saw the response already with just these last three hostages,
and it is upsetting, it's heartbreaking, and there is this
increased sense of urgency. And I will say this that
(04:03):
the the people of Israel, whether in America or in
uh in Israel itself proper, are very supportive of what
Donald Trump is doing. So right now, let's bring on
John Hart, the chief executive officer of Open the Books. John, Good, afternoon.
Good to have you with us, sir.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's great to be back on.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
How are you built?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Hey, I'm doing terrific. Thank you so much, you know
for coming on. You know, from day one, I have
believed that Elon Musk needed to connect with Open the Books.
I mean, you've got records, You've got information that I
don't think that a judge could block because it's been
long established. So I don't know, I'm a little confused
(04:46):
as to why Elon Musk and his team have not
connected with you.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Well, I think they are using the data that we
have built.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
They're they're putting out our you know, reports and different
you know, tweentty things that that we've been sited in.
So I think there's they are using the data and
the thing the thing to keep in mind too, is
is back back when we create a USA Spending that
was almost twenty years ago. So we put all federal
spending online, let people search it through USA Spending. So
what I'm merging Doge and Elon Musk to do is
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to really create an upgraded version of that, and I
would call it America's checkbook. Yes, And what Elon and Doze,
what they've done, this is really exciting. They've they have
now have a look at what's called the Treasury payment
So the Treasury payment system is kind of like the
Holy of Holies for the administrative state. It's where the
inner sanctum and it's only the high priests that that
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get to access the Holy of Holies. So part of
the reason this panic on the left is that you
have people who actually are looking at waste and fraud
who have access to the money going out the door.
So there's there's the Wooly Lohman principle, let's follow the money.
So what Elon and Doze have done is they've gone
in and they've actually gained access to this to the system.
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And the update now is a federal judge and Obama
or a judge actually blocked them from doing that.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
And the claim is, well, they don't, they don't.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Have the the authority, they don't have the proper clearances
to look at this que sensitive data. And and I
think that's going to get worked out there. They're not
going to be permanently barred from that.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But what I what.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I'm emerging elon and doge to do is to use
access to that to give the American people the same
access they're now enjoying exactly. And the concept is is
you know, as you know and your listeners know, is
that the money in the in the treasury payment system,
it doesn't belong to the federal government. It doesn't belong
to the President, it doesn't belong to Congress or any agency.
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It belongs to we the people, the people. So that
is our money in the in the treasury payment system.
And so the concept is just just as you know,
we ought to have the right to access that, just
as we have the right to access our own personal
checking account. So whether you're America, Chase through US wherever
you know, you you have the ability to go in
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and and and the difference is if you're if it's
your personal account, you can write checks, but you know,
I don't have I don't have the power. I don't
want the power to write checks out of your account,
and I don't want to give you the right to
do that to my account.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
That's called redistribution.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Now, when we have the government, we all pay taxes
into that, so we don't get to control individually. That's
why we have a representative system of government. But we
at least have the right to see, We have the
right to access and understand what is going out under
our authority.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And there is no.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Government other than a government that happens by consent. It's
we have a system of the consent of the government.
So these are basic little principles of democratic governance and
constitutional government.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And so all of the talk about.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Oh, it's a constitutional crisis for Elon Musk to have
access quat access to the system there, it really begs
the questions, well, who was in charge before you know,
we're talking about the executive branch having access to the
to the payment system the executive branch controls. So there's
no constitutional problem there. The constitution problem and questions are
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it is it is true that only Congress has the
authority to appropriate money, but the president has authority too,
he has the authority of the veto pen and there's
but there's a big gray area on executive orders. And
the gray area is the result of this one hundred
year experiment that the left has mounted called the administrative state,
where for a very deliberate effort, we've outsourced authority and
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power to unelected bureaucrats.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
And that's that's really going to be.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
That's what the argument and fight that they're forcing, and
that's needed to happen for decades. So it's a really exciting,
important moment and I hope they capitalize on it and
hope they lock in some of these new transparency tools
that the American people desperately need.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well exactly, it's what they're asking for, John, John, I
was going to ask you, you know what, what arrogance,
what hubris that this administrative state has been able to exercise?
And that was my question was going to be when
did this start to happen? And you just said, was
you know, ever since the birth of the administrative state?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, and yeah, it actually happened, happened a hundred years ago.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
This was really the dream of of kind of the
Woodrow Wilson first progressives and then you add you had
FDR that really supercharged it, and then the Great Society,
and that's that's the path we've been on. And so
I call that that's the quiet constitutional crisis we've been
living under. Is this is this decline of individual autonomy,
this decline of state power, and this rapid growth of
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the unelected administrative experts, and the argument that they made
one hundred years ago as well, you know, we've advanced
so much in the one hundred and fifty years of
our country.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
The society is too complicated.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
We need to really create this class of experts who
will help us save us from ourselves and manage and
manage this new complex life we have in nineteen ten
and nineteen twenty, and that's that was really the precursor
to to this massive expansion of federal government power that
they and turned into creating the part of education in
(10:03):
nineteen eighty, Great Society before that, and a New Deal.
And I'm not advocating we get rid of every safety
net program. I think we need to perform them, but
we've gone so far that direction that the reason people
are panicking is finally someone actually is moving it back
in a dramatic way.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
The other direction.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
We've you know, we as we've talked about before, we've
had some successes with limiting, getting rid of your marks
for a decade, you know, pausing cutting spending for the
first time since the Korean War back in twenty twelve,
twenty thirteen, during the Coburn Tea Party era. Yes, but
Elon is going to take this to a whole new level,
which is very very exciting along over due.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, we're really lifting the hood in this mechanical beast that,
as you say, you go from you know, the early
nineteen hundreds and fast forward to twenty twenty five, and
the elites that you know, supposedly knew better than the
cumulative consciousness of three hundred million people. What they've done.
(11:03):
They've run us into the ditch. And on top of that,
the monies that they have signed have misrepresented the hearts
of the American people, John, I mean, the American people
wanted to go why do.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
These nations hate us so much?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And little did they know because they're thinking, hey, you know,
I look at my tax bill. I see all this
money going out to support these nations and they hate us. Well,
what they don't realize is that we have these US
AID programs that are promoting color revolutions and disrupting their
traditional family life and religious life in their countries. You know,
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thank you very much the USA, Right.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, I mean what we've been funding.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
We've been funding everything for you know, transgender shows, operas
in Ireland.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
We've done with drag shows at Ecuador.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
So there, you know, DEI overseas, there's been a litany
of of a ridiculous program so that we fund and
and and let's let's kind of unwind that because when
you when you go back to.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
When you go back to kind of the post war era.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
So my one of the interesting things about my family
background is my great uncle flew.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
In the Berlin air left.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Oh and that was a that was a in a
sense you could say that was foreign eight, but it
was it was for a very specific purpose.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Bye bye.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
We weren't doing that for charity. We were doough to
help our own national security. We didn't want the Soviet Union,
we didn't want to start World War three. So what
they did is they they drew a line on the
stand and said no, we're going to provide support for
for West for West Berlin, and.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
They and they did that airlift.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And and so I'm not advocating that we don't have
any role overseas or we don't have any humanitarian role,
but we don't need to be funding drag shows an equable,
of course.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
And what U S A I D.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
What US I D did is they they refused to
allow themselves to be to have oversight and be regular.
Senator Joni ERNs has a great op ed in Today's
Wall Street Journal that that that really is aligned with
what Coburn experience when he was trying to reform programs
in USA. Idea is that they do not want anyone
to have control.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Over their of their budget.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
It's this fiefdom.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
So again, that's what happens when you create the administrative state,
is you shift power away from individuals and even away
from Congress. Congress has given its power away. And and
when someone comes in and conducts over side.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Tear up in arms about everything that Trump does. Oh
my goodness, you know that that job belongs to Congress.
Well what about all the other jobs that you've abdicated?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Right?
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
And it's in our So the question the test really
should be is what is in our national security interest?
It's kind of this idea of enlightened self interest. It's
it's in our enlightened self interest to help Israel, for example. Yes,
it's not in our enlightened self interest to fund a
transgender opera in Ireland.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Those are two very different things.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
So that's really what is.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
They're trying to have a common sense conversation and keep
the things that are good and put those under the
State Department, but do not allow this agency to hoard
power and fun things that are that are contrary to
our national interests.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
That's that's what's what's being what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You know, I look at this and I almost think,
oh my goodness, mel Brooks was a bit pressioned here,
you know, with his producers. Right, it's springtime Hitler in Germany.
I mean, how ridiculous. And this is like, you know,
you look at all these expenditures. But you know, like
one senator said, after a while, you're talking real money here,
(14:30):
and we're talking lots of real money, especially when we're
thirty six looking at thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, right, yeah,
you got it.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, And and there's an other examples.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Every day there's a new example I mean today there
was there's a report that that we spent fifty nine
million dollars, you know, paying to put put illegal immigrants
in hotels in New York City exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
And that's been happening for months.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Where famous FEMA's out of money, they can't support North
Carolina or Los Angeles, but we and support the illegals
in New York City.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Yeah, it's crazy, and they're they're destroying whole blocks and
hotels and communities, and that's what people are upset about it,
and rightly so.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And so.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Their DOGE is really just getting started, and I think
they're they're going to continue to find these these examples
and then and then I'm hopeful that really to lock
these again, to lock these things into place, you have
to have you really need to take advantage of the
moment to have a better transparency tool that improves on
what we've already built. But then also work with with
(15:32):
the work with the DOGE caucuses, you know, the members
of Congress like Jony earnst and and Gary Palmer and
others on the House side, to to come up with
kind of an agency reorganization so that these things can
be written into law and you have all of these
all of these progressive members of Congress anicking. It's like, well,
if you don't like what they're doing, go pass a
new law. Exactly, Pass a law that says, I want
(15:54):
to spend taxpayer money putting up illegals in New York.
I want a law that says we have to on
the DEI project in Ecuador or drag show. And if
that's what you believe, put it in the law and
may happen. You know, they'll complain about oversight.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, the Republicans are in a sense kind of missing
an opportunity here because a wave is being generated to
deal with this problem. And as you say, the door
is open for Republicans to lead the way to write
law to answer this problem. Because the Democrats, meanwhile, they're
lost in the wilderness. They have no idea where north
(16:31):
and south is no matter all that you know, critical
Democrat analysts have been suggesting for them. They just want
to stay angry instead of Hey, look at the American
people have spoken. They gave Donald Trump the plurality of
the vote. They re elected him into office. His approval
(16:54):
rate is sky high at fifty three percent. I believe
it's the highest it has ever been.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
John, it is, Yeah, and but I think you know,
really the reason he the reason he was elected is
that people believed and they felt in their daily lives
they were better off under President Trump and they were
nder Biden.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Dot.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
There is a direct correlation. Yeah, there's a direct correlation
between government spending and inflation. And the administration knows this,
and so they've started They've started with, you know, things
that they believe they are going to get public support for.
But I know they're going to very quickly move to
the higher dollar items, things like cutting one hundred billion
dollars a fraud out of Medicare and Medicaid. There is
(17:33):
an enormous amount of health care fraudt and when you
start to shift that money out of fraud where it's
doing nothing other than enriching fraudsters and criminals, right, and
letting people keep more of that in their own pockets
so we can save and invest it, spend at your
local small business. That's when you have economic growth and
inflation goes down. And they barely even looked at energy,
(17:55):
like energy, there's a fantastic new energy Secretary Chris right, Yes, really,
somebody should you should follow you, Chris, and I've done
some work with him before on this idea that that
the answer to all of our economic and environmental challenges
is economic freedom.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
We need more energy, not less.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
We don't need to demon on those traditional sources of energy.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
We need to if you care about the planet, if
you care about conservation, we need to be drilling as
much as we can, because we do energy so much cleaner,
more efficiently in the United States than they do in
China and Russia and other countries that are that are
hostile to our interests, right, and so there's dose is
a going to move to those different areas and there
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it's very, very exciting to see them use these new
tools to do a forensic.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Auditing in a way that in a way that we've
been doing.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
So they're really they're taking what we're doing, doing it well,
and we want to we want everyone to.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Have access to all the great information.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well, plus you've got all of uh Elon Musk database
and people that subscribe to them and connect with him.
I mean that's awesome. And what other media content commands
the number of ears and eyes that Elon Musk does.
And so with him being transparent and saying Hey, this
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is what we found out. I mean, like today that
we're building a monument with holy water for doctor Fauci
or something, right, right, I mean yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
And so today also there was the Treasury secretaries of
the past, some predominately you know, Democratic administrations, are criticizing
his access to this data and saying, you know, you're
not qualified access to data. Well, there's no one on
really on earth who's more qualified right to look at
the data and the Treasure payment system than Elon Musk
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and the team of brilliant young you know, data scientists.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And he's Democrats, Nuts, isn't it. I mean, you've got
these these.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Eighteen nineteen year old wonderkins that just say, hey, this
looks weird. What is this line item for? You know,
just asking the question?
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Right, yeah, exactly, And and I think and we've again
we've shown the power of what we call crowdsourcing oversight,
where we've we made all the all the data for us.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
It's been available.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
We want to get it again.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
A more rapid sort of immediate look at it, which
is what the Treasury payment system allows. So I'm convincer's
a way to give the public again read only access
to this data so that we can there's there's going
to be for every four or five people Elon is hired,
there's going to be hundreds of people all over the
country exact that would find this information useful. And and
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so much of the traffic that's talked about, all these
examples of waste, they the fact that we can even
find them is something that we intentionally created the capacity
for people to do. So it's not it's opened the books,
but it's also a lot of other just good faith
citizens who are doing their own research and scratching their
heads and wondering why why are we funding this?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And then they post it online.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And there's a there's a discussion about it, there's a debate, right,
And that's that's how our that's how our founders were
in a country to work.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, you talk about a constitutionalized government and the consent
of the government.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
This is what it's all about.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Right, yep, Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, John, as we wrap things up here your open
letter the Elon Musk to keep the conversation and the
lines of communication open, I know. Joni Erst said that
on day one, she presented Elon Musk with eight pages
and I had to chuck a little bit because I'm thinking,
knowing John Hart, he's probably got about eight million pages
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that he gift Elon Musk.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's just me. I know you wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I'm expecting you to say that, But just knowing you
and knowing the team and Adam Manjski and in his
spirit and open the books and Senator Coburn, You've got
plethora of information here that will that will reach the
objective that the American people have put at the doorstep
of one Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Right, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
We're going to keep up the pressure. Bill, appreciate everything
you're doing as well.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, you know, God bless you. I just am so
grateful for you and the team. Keep up the great
work on our behalf, because look at if we're going
to be a constitutional government form of government, a republic,
then we need to find where we lost our way.
Go back, like any good CEO would do when any
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organization has lost this way, they go back and say
where did we make the wrong turn? And I think
that that has yet to be done. I'm hopeful that
it can be done because it's almost like you have
to go forward, you have to go back in order
to go forward.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Right, No, that's exactly right, and you can trace this again.
You know, one hundred years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
This was a very intentional move away from the Founder's
limitations on government power.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
And that's that's why we're in the situation where.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Well, you got it, but I believe the capacity of
the people to fix it.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Well, John Hart, thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
John Hart is the chief executive officer of Open the Books.
Open the Books dot com as where you can go
to be fully informed and stay up to date on
all things DOGE, all things government efficiency, waste and fraud. John,
thank you for being with us. Take care. Thanks Bill,
our gratitude to John Hart. What a great guy and
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a great team on behalf of the American people. You
know that if asked Donald Trump fix it, we know
that there's problems here. And of course the early reports
that we got from DOZE was extremely revealing. So how
do you go back? You know, as John said, we
have got to take on the inefficiencies of this administrative
state and take back our government. This is what the
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American people are demanding. We go now to Jerusalem, Israel,
to connect with the chief executive Officer of JNS Alex
Treman joins us. Now, Alex, good afternoon, Good to have
you with us.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Good afternoon, Bill.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Great to see you, Hey, thank you so much for
being with us. I'm so grateful that you were here
to talk about. You know, one of the first the
topics that our audience has, Alex, is the hostages. The
recent hostage release. Donald Trump shockingly said very anecdotally that
it reminded him seeing these three hostages come out, It
(24:21):
reminded him of Holocaust survivors. That is a powerful statement, Alex.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Oh, I mean, I think that everybody can see, you know,
just what horrific monsters come us are. There was pictures
of these hostages or ease, and you see the before
and after photos. You know, lost something like forty to
fifty pounds. There was a picture that came out of
the three of them in a tiny cell which was
clearly in one of the underground tunnels where they were
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kept barely with any food, certainly without any natural light.
They're suffering from severe malnutrition. And it also underscores how
urgent it is to get all the sausages out as
soon as possible, because they literally can befe for death
for them if they remain in captivity.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
And by contrast, the Palestinians that have been released from
Israel have been health checked by the Red Cross. They
come out, they look fairly good. I mean some have
said they've actually gained weight, not lost weight.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
The conditions in Israeli prison for a terrorists are shocking
when you understand how good they have it. They're basically
living in dormitories and bunks with televisions in their rooms.
Many of them have cell phones. They're eating every day.
Many Palestinian prisoners get education when they're in Israeli jails,
some completing university degrees, even doctorates. Ya Ya Sinwar himself
(25:42):
was sitting in Israeli prison and he was operated on
for a brain tumor when he was a prisoner in
Israeli jails, and he was released in another prisoner exchange,
part of the exchange of one thousand terrorists in exchange
for one Israeli soldier. And the thanks that Israel gets
for saving his life and releasing him was the October
(26:04):
seventh attack.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well exactly, and this is what Israel understandably and Israelites,
I should say, are concerned about, is that they're releasing
future terrorists clearly, because as has been said, if you
want to know what somebody is going to do, look
what they've done.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Oh absolutely, I mean we know statistically that they go
back to committing acts of terror. It is an honor
for these Palestinian terrorists to be sitting in Israeli jail.
It is literally a badge of honor. They do not
get rehabilitated in Israeli jails. They get further insighted to violence.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
And it's the type of immoral choice that Israel has
to make, which is basically, you know, redeeming captives now,
saving a life now, when it's almost certain that someone
else is going to die later as a.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Result of that. But what do you do? This is
the type of moral calculations that Israel has to make,
and how much we value the lives of those we
can save now and only hope that you know, we
can track these individuals and hopefully prevent the violence that
they will commil later.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, you can only hope that maybe the Masaud or
somebody would give them a pager on their way out
the door, just saying you know, but that's just me,
which I thought was a brilliant move by the Idef
by the way, and many others felt the same way.
But because these are dangerous individuals, they've proven to be.
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I mean so much so, Alex that even the neighbor
Arab nations Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia doesn't want any part
of the two million Palestinians coming out of Amas for
good reason, right.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Well, they don't want them. They don't care about them.
They only use them as pawns against Israel to delegitimize Israel.
They're worried that these individuals, if they come into their country,
will destabilize their country. They're not worried if they destabilize Israel.
In fact, they're happy if they destabilize Israel. But you know,
there's not been one country since October seventh that is
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raised their hand and said, you know, we will take
displaced Palestini. If you remember the last of Ukraine Wars
beginning six million Ukrainians fled, and the question was who's
going to take Ukrainian refugees? Even Israel took something like
thirty thirty five thousand Ukrainian refugees, But not a single
country in the world is ready to take a Gazen.
And I think that that should tell you what they
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think about Gozins right now, even when you see the
images coming out of Gaza and you recognize that Israel
has destroyed something like sixty to seventy percent of all
of the buildings in Gaza, you know, leveling complete cities
to the ground, and knowing that Palestinians are living in tents.
It's the winter now, it's the rain season in Israel,
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and they're just sitting in muddy tents and they're still
saying we will not take a single Gazin into art
there exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And the thing is is that with Donald Trump in
the meeting with Bibnetna, who comes up with the idea
that hey, maybe we can turn Gaza into the Mediterranean
of the Middle East, the new Middle East Mediterranean Revere
Riviera Reva.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, I mean, Gaza could look like tel Aviv. You
know it's it's just thirty forty miles south of tel Aviv.
We know tel Aviv can look like it's beautiful and
anybody would want to live there. And the only reason
why Gaza doesn't look like tel Aviv is because the
Goazas lived there, because they had control over the territory
and they don't, They don't recognize the value of the
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real estate. They don't care, and they and they turned
there there, what should have been a heaven into a
terra haven. And you know, I think that Trump understands
that if Gaza gets rebuilt the way you know, and
the Gazas are still there, it's just going to be
the same thing that it was, and is well will
just come in another time and destroy it again. And
I think that what he's seeking to do, which is amazing,
(29:55):
and I don't think it was a surprise, and that
the noalit he said it. But what I think that
he's going to do is ultimately and Israeli Palestinian conflict
for all time and say to the Palestinians, you have
lost the conflict. You tried to win it, you've lost,
and now it's time for you to leave. And this
is going to be Israel. It's not going to be
a Palestinian state anywhere between the Jordan River and the
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Mediterranean Sea.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, let's go back in history.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Alex God designated the Gaza Israel, that is holy land
in and of itself. And there's got to be a
reason that all this destruction has happened, I can help
but believe that maybe God is reclaiming that land for Israel.
What do you think, I mean, it's prophetic what we're
seeing now. There's literally prophecies that you.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Know, Jewish people who read from the writings about what
will happen, and you know about a great war taking
place in Israel and taking seven months to clear the
dead bodies, and nobody knew what they were talking about.
But when you realize that Gaza actually is part of
the biblical Israel, I mean the biblical patriarch Isaac, he
is known to have never left the land of Israel.
(31:03):
That was one of his many attributes. And yet God
told him to go down to Garar, and Garar is
the area that we know today as Gaza. So you
know Isaac was in Gaza, but he never left Israel.
So what does that tell you.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
About the status of Gosim exactly? And the devastation of Gaza,
I mean it's like Damascus. I mean, it's been so leveled,
as you said, sixty seventy percent of the land.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And maybe you.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Know, for the Air of Nations, the fact that Donald
Trump puts out this idea of saying, hey, look, at
We'll bring in our labor force, are intelligence, and our
assistance to help clean up that land, because this is
not going to be.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
A minor issue.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I mean, we're talking billions of dollars to clean up
the gaza.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Right absolutely. I mean I think billions is like understating
the level of the devastation there. You're starting to see
just how bad the damage has been. Some cities where
literally every building is knocked down, and the buildings that
aren't knockdown need to be knocked down because they're also
pocketed with either board marks or unstable. The whole thing
(32:13):
basically has to be completely totally destroyed. It's going to
take many, many billions of dollars. It's going to take
many years to rebuild. And I think that's a I
think Trump rather looks at this like a possible realization.
This is a distressed asset right here. We can sweep
in and we can buy property here on the cheap,
and we can develop something beautiful that can be worked.
(32:35):
I mean, tel Aviv property is some of the most
expensive property in the entire world. So let's just build
another Tel Aviv over here and we'll rep rewards. It's
just a real estate deal.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, the challenge, I mean, first of all, you've got
the land to recover, to remunerate, You've got unexploded munitions,
got only nosewhere that have to be discovered and rooted out,
and two million mean gosins that.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Are terrorists of heart. How do you? How do you?
How do you manage that?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think the gosspe issue is probably bigger than the
land issue.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Well, if you recognize how much leverage the United States
has over countries like Jordan and Egypt, it's a tremendous
amount of leverage. I mean, both of those countries are
completely reliant on American aid, UH, certainly military support. And
you see how the President has been using negotiation tactics
(33:35):
with Canada, with Mexico regarding tariffs, and even with Greenland
and Panama. And I think that there's a lot of leverage.
You know, Egypt saying right now that they won't take
any gosins. I mean the natural place for them to
go is across the border UH into Egypt. And what's
interesting about the war is that also the Houtish basically
(33:58):
interrupted all of the commercial shipping through the Suez Canal,
which is one of Egypt's largest drivers of revenue UH
and Egypt's a very poor country as it is, and
they've been hurt almost as badly as Israel financially by
this war because of the Houtis action. In fact, you
wonder why the Egyptians did not attack the Houtis because
(34:19):
the Egyptians have an air force and the Houties were
harming Egyptian national interest. And Egypt even took a one
point five billion dollar loan in the last several weeks,
so they're they're really hurting for cash. And I think
that Trump can use the leverage and say a will
give you a major package to figure out a solution
(34:41):
to put gosins in the Sinai Peninsula, which is a
very large and open territory where most of the Egyptian
populace doesn't live, and it's available, and they can get
money for taking them, and on the flip side of
they don't take them, that he can turn off the
spigot of American funding. He can turn off the spig
of American military aid Egypt. So I think that there's
(35:02):
a lot of pressure that he can put on Egypt,
and he can similarly put on Jordan, and I think
he can also put some pressure on Qatar.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Which needs to prove it about in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
And Saudi Arabia exactly. You know, the Saudis have always
come forward and said that, you know, they wanted to
see a pathway toward a Palestinian state in order to
normalize relations with Israel. But nobody is defined where that
Palestinian state needs to be. And perhaps the Saudis, or
the Egyptians, or Jordan or all three. And the President
(35:33):
has said that, he said, I don't know, maybe one place,
maybe two, maybe six, I don't know. That's what the
President has said. And so perhaps the Saudis will We'll
see a new pathway towards the Palestinian entity someplace else,
and then you'll even see them come around the normalized relations.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
With well Alex.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
My understanding is that Saudi Arabia would be optimum because
of their police force, that they have a very robust
law enforcement organization that could keep hamas and keep these
terrorists in check. And I think maybe that's part of
the challenge for some of these neighboring countries is going, well,
(36:12):
that's fine, and well we let them in here, but
they're radical and who's going to keep an eye on
them exactly.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's the big problem, I mean, and that's a big
problem also for Jordan, you know, which is already a
majority of that country is Palestinian. Right, if you would
just look at Jordan by demographics, you would say this
is a Palestinian state because well over fifty percent of
the Jordanians happened to be Palestinian. And so the last
thing that they want is two million more Palestinians coming
(36:39):
in there, because number one, then it will be the
end of the Hashimi kingdom, it will be the end
of king of those rule, will be overrun and will
definitively become the Palestinian state, which maybe should be. And
two we've seen how they've destabilized the countries previously, back
in the seventies. Everybody remembers Black September, and so it's
(37:01):
a big question. And if you thought that the Palestinians
could have made peace before, well they're certainly going to
be more radicalized, not less radicalized by what happened on
the seven.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, exactly like in areas like you say you mentioned
in Jordan, you have to look at the demographic compilation
of how it the balance is there right now, and
you know, two million people it may not sound like
a lot, but if you add two million aggressives into
that area, as you said, it could knock things out
(37:33):
of kilter. And then you've got a situation there where
I think you've got a kind of a balance between
Sunni and Shia, right, and so now the Hamas agency
is more is more Shia than Sunni?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Right, No, Hamas is a Sunni, Hamas is Sunni. Mostly
Jordan is sunny. But as you said, there's there's about
eleven million people living in Jordan right now. So if
you add two million Palestinians and you probably already have
about six million Palestinians living in Jordan. So if it
became eight million Palestinians out of thirteen million people in total,
(38:10):
that really does affect the demographic balance of the country.
In a place like Egypt, where you have maybe like
many more people, I think something like seventy million, but
I need to check it, you know, or in Saudi Arabia,
where the population is considerably larger, they can absorb a
bunch and even better if you can split them up
and kind of reduce the number so that not one
(38:33):
singular country has to absorb all.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Well, alex I want to talk about being I's a
meeting with Trump in the White House. Trump immediately immediately
released munitions to Israel, and I got to believe that
he did so because he knows that Israel is prepared
to take on Iran, because as he has said and
(38:56):
others have stipulated repeatedly, Iran cannot become a nuclear country.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
That's correct. And there might have been a little bit
of a disagreement between Nataniello and Trump during the visit
on the next steps to take visa Iran. The President
has already announced that he's going to reinforce crippling sanctions
on the Iranian regime and that he wants to try
to negotiate with the Iranians to dismantle their own nuclear facilities.
(39:22):
I don't really know how you trust the Iranians to
dismantle their entire nuclear program. You can even see a
scenario which they say, sure, we'll dismantle our program, and
they'll dismantle, you know, some degree of sites. It will
take a long time for them to do it, and
there probably will leave other sites that are very deep
underground untouched. You know. Israel knows where most of these
(39:45):
sites are. I think that Israel is probably looking for
a green light to attack. When it comes to the
weapons that were released, we now understand that the Biden
administration was lying when they said they only were withholding
a singular shipment two thousand pound bombs. Both the Trump
administration and the Nathaniao administration now confirmed that it was
(40:07):
many more shipments of many different types of weapons. And
one of the questions being rightfully asked right now is,
aside from the weapons that Israel had already paid for
and was supposed to receive even from the previous administration,
is the United States now releasing some bunker busting bombs
that body administration never was going to release. And these
(40:29):
are the types of bombs that Israel would need to
conduct fast and effective strikes on Ron's underground nuclear facility.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Well, we know in the last attacks, Israel made it
quite evident that they could attack Iran at will, and
they took out their air defense. So in a sense,
they're you know, they're right for the picking and the
bunker busting bombs have been a point of contention going
(40:59):
back to the old years, which was you know, if
Obama was sincere in saying that Iran would never go nuclear.
We knew that he had his fingers crossed. He was
lying to the American people about that.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, I think that we know that that's the case.
Not only was the composit with Iran crossing the nuclear threshold.
They didn't think that a nuclear Iran was any more
dangerous than a nuclear India or any other country. But here,
if you see how much Iran has destabilized the entirety
of the Middle East, even before they have a nuclear umbrella.
I mean, it's not just Israel, right, you know, they
(41:33):
destabilized Iraq, They destabilized Syria, which now collapse. They destabilized Lebanon,
they destabilized Yemen, which was involved in a war with
Saudi Arabia. You know, they have destabilized the entire region.
And they've been them in their proxies, have attacked Israel
from seven different countries. And that's before they have nuclear weapons.
(41:53):
And this is a country that doesn't say, you know,
we want nuclear weapons for our own self defense. They're
screaming death is death to America. The leaders of Iran
are saying we will wipe the state of Israel off
the face of the earth. Okay, this is this is
existential threat. You know when maas that put their money
where their mouth is and are funding terror organizations all
over the world saying we're developing nuclear weapons and we
(42:16):
want to wipe this country off the face of the earth. Like,
we're not gonna like we're going to take that seriously. So,
you know, Trump, I think, has come around and he
said even this week, even since the meeting with Natanyao,
you know, we're going to negotiate a deal with Iran
to make sure that they never cross the threshold or
Israel's going to attack them. That's one of the two.
So you know, we have to see what what the
(42:36):
timeline is. I know for Israel, I don't know if
they want to wait to see how effective sanctions can be.
I think for Prime Minister Natanao, he believes that this
is a now or and ever moment. You mentioned that
the air defenses have been stripped, so it does seem
like the timing fernt Israeli strike is very good.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, exactly, Alex.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
We've got a couple of minutes left here and you
mentioned Syria, and of course that takes me north to Turkey.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
We've got to keep our eyes on Turkey right absolutely.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
You know, Iran's influence over the region is weakening dramatically.
And we see that the second Kitzbal wasn't there and
Iran's air defenses were stripped. That that created a weakness
that was exploited. But al Jilani, who is now considered
that the facto president of Syria, who the Biden administration
(43:26):
says is were formed. I mean, he's got al Qaeda connections,
and it's very clear that he and his terrifaction have
been trained and armed by Turkey. Turkey also smelled the weakness.
And when any of vacuum is gets created in the
Middle East, different forces are going to try to fill
that vacuum. And so Turkey is trying to fill that
(43:46):
vacuum and sees Syria as a forward facing base against
the State of Israel. And so this is really just
trading at this point one enemy for another. Israel is
quite aware of how dangerous a threat Turkey could be,
and they're going to remain on guard.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
And what could this mean for the Kurds.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
I think that this what you know, if you see
solid diplomacy led by the Trump administration. You could see
a block where the Kurds and the Druis in southern
Lebanon and Israel form an alliance that basically kind of
cuts off Syria in half and make sure that Turkey's
backed forces can only remain in the north section of
(44:27):
that country. Said, there is a buffer zone between between
Turkey's forces and the State of Israel. The Kurds are
are an ethnic minority that deserve a state much more
than Palestinians, and that includes Syria, and that also includes
the Iraqi Kurds. You know, a lot of these countries
were drawn up, you know, by imperialists British and French
(44:49):
after World War Two, and you know, we'll see if
they wind up getting a state. Certainly there would be
in a natural alliance between the Kurds and the State
of Israel.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Well, our thanks to Alex Trehman, the chief execut officer
of the Jewish news syndicate Jans dot orgus where you
want to go to stay informed. Any parting words here, Alex,
as we wrap things.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Up, well, thank you so much. Bill. I mean, I
definitely think we got to keep a close eye on
Trump's policies. But I can tell you that for the
first time that the Ninta Noiao administration and the Trump
administration we're getting together like friends, which is a lot
different than the reluctant allies that Israel had with the
previous administration.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Alex Trainman again, thank you so much. Shut On, take
care well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Bill got it.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Well, that's a wrap for us. Our thanks and gratitude
to Alex Treman from Jans. Jans dot org is where
you want to go for more information. As we mentioned,
to stay up to date on all things in the
Middle East. They do such an outstanding job in keeping
us up to date, and that's why I'm so grateful
for Alex to take the time. It's very late in
Israel right now for him to stay up late then
(45:55):
to you know, go around the entire region and give
us an update on all these different factions and you know,
possibilities for peace in the Middle East. Ladies and gentlemen,
that we continue to pray for the piece of Jerusalem.
Also again thanks to John Hart, the chief executive officer
of Opening the Books.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Open the Books dot.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Com is where you want to go for more information
to stay in the flow of the NOE say dot
com dot org. Anyway, the information is all right there,
all that doze is doing, all that open the books
has been doing, you know, for what twenty plus year
is almost twenty five years now in terms of, you know,
doing a deep drill dive into the fraud and waste
(46:37):
and corruption of our government. This is what you've been
asking for. This has been going on for over one
hundred years. Ladies and gentlemen, we know it, and now
we have an opportunity. I mean, this is a clarion
moment that we're at right now. That requires courage, It
requires conviction and leadership, and we have the leadership in
Donald Trump, and we need to continue to support what
(47:00):
Donald Trump is doing. Elon Musk and those eighteen nineteen
year old wonderkids that are asking questions as they go
looking through this evidence and the books that our government
has been hiding away from us. I mean, you know,
as others have said, if you have nothing to hide
and you're so honest, then why are you hiding things?
(47:23):
I mean, there is a reason that they do not
want us to know. And we've gotten already a shocking
brief look at what's happened with our money, just with usaid,
you know, like a twenty million for Sesame street show
in a rock propaganda, fifty six million to boost tourism
in Tunisia and Egypt. Who knew, right, forty million to
(47:47):
build schools in Jordan, like they don't have enough money already.
Eleven million to tell Vietnam to stop burning trash. Eleven
million dollars, right, let's tell him stop burning trash. You
know that it requires eleven million dollars of America's tax money.
Two million to strength and trans led organizations to deliver
gender affirming healthcare. This is where it goes down a
(48:09):
slippery slope because then you get Dai involved DEI scholarships
in Burma forty five million dollars. I mean, this smacks
of a color revolution where America in the name of
the United States of America and red, white, and blue
go in and disrupt the traditions and the faith of communities.
(48:31):
And that's a case in point right there. Five hundred
and twenty million for consultant driven ESG investments in Africa.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. I
want to thank you all for joining us and sharing
a part of your afternoon with us. May God bless you.
And deep you may make his face shine about you.
God bless, thank you.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Take care,
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