March 24, 2025 • 48 mins
Pastor Stephan Broden refuses to pull punches on the problem with America. In a recent article he writes, “This statement has been attributed to an unknown person about America, “Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, hello, Bill Martinez, good to have you with us.
I hope you're having a great day. There's so much
happening in your America, right, I mean, it's hard to
keep pace. I mean you probably want to feel like
Laurence o'donald and take a week off so you can
kind of catch your breath, because how quick the Trump
administration has been moving, you know, really leaving no prisoners behind.
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So and I guess that's an intentional statement, even though
there's some judges that would like him to leave prisoners behind.
I say, fine, lean behind, but how about if they
just hang out in your neighborhood for a while and
then maybe you can understand the sense of urgency of
what's going on in the deportation of these immigrants who
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are here. Oh, that's right illegally. And as if that's
not enough, they really don't care about this country and
they don't care about the people in this country, as
evidenced by the level of crimes that they do anything
for murder and sex trafficking, the importation of fentanyl and
other drugs that are killing Americans to the tune of
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one hundred and thousand plus every year. I mean, think
about it. And so what's President Trump's supposed to do,
as I was discussing with somebody earlier today, is his
number one job is about national security, regardless of what
these judges, these federal judge just think. And you know,
God bless President Trump for doing something that other presidents
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said that they wanted to do but didn't do, or
they just flat out lied to us and said, oh,
but I'm doing that. Well, not so right, I mean,
here it is. I mean, look at the comparison. Joe
Biden by executive voter allowed you know, millions of illegal
immigrants to when they say eight to ten, probably more.
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I mean, because you have got aways and other numbers
that you can't even qualify. But you know, I think
ten million is a good round estimate and figure you
can use. He lets them in by executive voter. But
yet Donald Trump, who's trying to get him out, which
seventy seven million people voted and said, get these guys
out of here. You know, we don't need more Lincoln Riley.
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So how many more of those are others murders do
we have to tolerate? You know, we've already got a
problem with human trafficking. On top of this, three hundred
thousand young people are missing. We have no idea where
they're at. And you know, this is all brought to
you by my orchist, Joe Biden. The Democrats, the Democratic Party,
you know, for that matter. I mean, it's at their doorstep,
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regardless of what they say, and regardless of how fearful
of Donald Trump that they say they are. I mean,
this is uh their doing. It's no wonder they're in
the wilderness right now and lost and trying to figure out.
And meanwhile, the left wing, the extreme left wing of
their party is out there, you know, seemingly on the surface,
according to the media, gaining some momentum, thousands of people,
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you know, coming to these rallies. But you know, I
pray that these people would have some discernment and understand
and ask the you know, critical follow up question. You know,
AOC and Bernie Sanders talks about an oligarchy, Well, you know,
think about it. I mean, it's like the other side
of the same coin. You know, they say, well, what's
an oligarchy? And oligarchy is when a country is run
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by a small amount of people, you know, unelected people. Well,
excuse me, that's what we went through with, you know,
with Joe Biden and before that Barack Obama. Maybe not
so bad with Barack Obama. We kind of felt like
he was the president all along. But the fact that
you could ask yourself there right in the waning days
of the Biden administration, who's the president? After all? Right?
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I mean, when did we ever ask that question? You
got to go back, you know, one hundred years plus
and realize, you know, when we had some infirm presidents
to ask that question, you know, whether it was FDR
and a couple others before him that was the question.
Then you find out afterwards, oh yeah, that's right, he
wasn't president, but his wife friend, you know, ran the
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government for two years. Really Oh wow, that's you know,
And so what happens is that invalidate all these orders
and everything. Not to mention an auto pen, which is
in question. I spoke with an attorney this morning about
that specifically, and you know, they said, well, you know,
other presidents had used auto pen and I can understand.
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I mean, there's lots of things to and that sort
of deal. But when you question the competency of a
president and you wonder, you say, well, are these guys,
I mean, is this kind of like a scene from
mash you know with radar O'Reilly just bringing paperwork saying
you're just sign here, you know, colonel, just that's all
you got to do. Is that what they're doing for
Joe Biden? Maybe even not even giving in that courtesy
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and just saying, hey, that's okay. The old man. You know,
he's asleep right now, so you know, we'll we'll handle
that for him. Right So there's going to be some
discussion about that. Not to mention the fact, I also said, well,
what about you know, these preemptive pardons. I mean, why
are people being pardoned if they haven't been convicted. Man,
some to think about. But anyway, getting back to this
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socialist movement in our country, is you flat out and
what you have to discern, and I think majority of
Americans are beginning to understand this is that you have
people that are not interested in America. I mean, Joe
Biden loved America as much as he said he did.
Why would he do such dampsuch to America? Why would
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he on his way out dump I mean, we're already broke, right,
and he ends up dumping almost a trillion dollars of
money we don't have. He says, get it out there,
get it out and get us fed, and get it
all to all these NGOs and everything like that before
Donald Trump comes. Because he's so evil and he's going
to be a king, he's going to be such a dictator.
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But meanwhile, Joe Biden, in a dictator esque manner, empties
out a trillion dollars and adds that to the top
of the budget.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Go figure.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, today, we're honored to have a independent candidate for Congress.
He's running for District number one of Florida. He's been
on with us before. We're just very privileged to have
the executive director of content of Character series. Pastor Stephen
Broden is with us right now, and Pastor is also
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author of Pawns of Change, the exploitation of Black America
by progressive Liberals and incredible insight on that. And we
welcome Pastor Broden to the show now. Stefan'm Broden, welcome.
Good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, good to be back with you. Bill.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it's been it's been a while, but look at
you're running as an independent in District number one in
the state of Florida, and you and terryl Terry Randall
Terry have just flat out just said exactly what many
people are thinking is the problem with the country is
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the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh absolutely, We're running in District one, I am, and
Randall's running in District six. And these are primaries right now,
they're not the general election. General election is coming up. However,
we're not running to win, Bill, as you probably already know.
We're running because we're strategically reminding the Floridians, the Floridians
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that the issue that is facing us as a nation
is that we have alienated and offended a living God
by affirming and promoting childkilling in our country right now,
upwards to twenty twenty seven states have amended their state
constitution to allow child killing by abortion in their states
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amended their constitutions. And so we believe that the fortress
of evil, the fountain head of corruption and moral rot,
is a Democrat Party. And so we're running with this
banner destroy the Democrat Party. We believe there's an opportunity
in America now to rid ourselves of this fortress of evil.
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This means by which the absolute redefinition of morality is
taking place in America because of this political party. And
so there's an opportunity here. Most Americans recognize that there
has been a shift in our nation away from those
traditional values and biblical values, and that the spearhead of
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the attack on those values is the Democrat Party. And
so that's why Donald Trump is in office now. But
I want to issue a warning bill, and I think
you are as well, is that we need to be
very discerning here, and particularly the evangelical community and the
community of faith. We need to be careful here. And
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why do I say that we need to be discerning? Yes,
we are delighted that Kamala Harris did not win and
the Democrat Party did not further their agenda of flipping
this nation into a globalist paradigm that is connected to
the globalists and their effort to move our nation out
of its patriotic emphasis into a global emphasis that is
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against our liberties. Number one and number two on the
target list is our religious liberties. And so we're delighted
that that happened, but at the same time, we need
to hold the Republican Party accountable because they have changed,
literally changed their position on abortion. We saw that in
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the convention there was a shift away from the platform's
position on abortion and on same sex marriage. Those two
issues in particular were literally changed, the emphasis that was changed,
and most who are in the evangelical community said, you know,
we need to get rid of the Democrats and we'll
deal with that later. Well, remember you said you're going
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to deal with it later. You need to remember that.
So we need to be discerning at this time that
we're still in the place of offending a living God
and we cannot sing God Bless America when we are
slaughtering innocent babies and affirming abomination in same sex marriage, transgenderism,
and affirming pedophilia. As a choice. All of that comes
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from the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, there's no doubt that that is where the roote resigns.
But the fact, the fact of the matter in what
you're saying is that there's been crossover and many people
are infected by it, Republicans, people in the church. According
to George Barnett, forty percent of evangelicals Christians say that
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they're okay with abortion. You know, that's an anethema. So
this has gone a long way. And so you know,
Pastor Brodon, you and I are in agreement. But what's
going to reconcile to this is that we must come
to God. We must understand what is going on. How
does God really feel about this, Not our neighbor, not
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Joe Biden, not a party, but what does God say
about this? And how have we grieved His heart? And
then maybe, just maybe, and we could only hope this
would be the case, is that we would be like
Isaiah who was exposed to the reality of God and
says on toast, how can I stand before Holy Godden?
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That's what you're saying. But until we get there, you know,
we're going to continue on to think that God somehow
is going to grade on the curve here, right.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, I think there's two things that we need to recognize.
That's what I said. Discernment is important here. Yes, if
you remember Hebrews Chapter five, verse fourteen says this solid
food is for the mature, who through practice have their
senses trained to recognize or discern good from evil. Yes,
I think we're not there yet. There is a level
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of immaturity in the evangelical church. But at the same time,
I want us to recognize that there are two churches
in America. Two churches. There is the cultural church and
then there's the Biblical Church. We cannot determine what the
church is doing by making an assessment of the church
based upon a cultural church. A cultural church is more
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concerned about being PC politically correct as a posed to
b C biblically correct, and God knows in those churches
see see constitutional correctness is thrown under the bus, but
not so in the Biblical Church. In the Biblical Church,
we are defining who we are based upon what God
has said. But to the degree that we recognize that
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we have a stewardship, responsibility, assault and light agents of
the Kingdom of God to go into the public square
and represent the mind of God and be that agency
through which we influence the character and the behavior and
the morality of the nation. Right we'll be in trouble
right now, so many of us saying we don't want
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to get involved in politics. We're waiting for the second Advent.
Jesus is coming again. All of that is true. But
God called you to be salt and light agents. And
that's not in the four corners of your church, in
the four walls of your church. That's outside, in the
public square. And so what I am doing, and what
Randall is doing, is setting a template. We're setting away
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a strategy of means by which we can get into
the public square and make our voice heard and challenge
the consciousness of our nation. That innocent blood screams out
to the Lord, and the Lord will hear it and judge.
And we know that God is a promise keeper. He
keeps us word. If you offended him, He's going to judge.
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Judgment happened.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, what you're pointing to is that right now, especially
since the election of Donald Trump, it's as if what
has happened is we have an opportune time here because
voices of reason, voices of faith are being heard like
never before. I mean, I was just reading a study
the other day where there is been a noted increase
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of Catholics coming back to the church pastor Brogen evangelicals
are on the rise. You know, You've got an app
called Hollow which is one of the most popular apps
right now on the planet. Millions of people praying every
day with this app, people praying the Rosary and record numbers.
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So this tells me that you like. What you're suggesting
is that we have a window of opportunity. And it's
not like I mean, even though I understand we're lucky
here in the United States, minor persecution of Christians and
people minor like a hangnail or something compared to what
others are going through in terms of having their heads
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ripped off. In fact, I was just watching I don't
know if you have seen this kind of semi animated
movie on twenty one, which was a readdressing of the
twenty one Coptic Christians who were beheaded by Isis in
twenty fifteen. It is a powerful movie. And here these
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men they were told, look at all you got to
do is reject Christ, reject your religion and you'll live.
If you don't, we're going to take your heads off.
Neither one of them rejected that, and they stood for Jesus,
and each one of them had their head removed.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, I agree with you that there is that an
opportunity here, and there are many who are turning to
the church. But we've got to recognize that the church
is anemic and weak and has lost this influence in America.
So although they're turning to the church, we need to
make sure that a biblical church is available to them,
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that there is a distinction between what is cultural versus
what is biblical.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And let me let me ask you this real quick,
because this is really important that people get this, because
there's some people out there saying, you know, Pastor Broton,
I'm looking for a church. What should I look for?
You know how, what are the discernment What are the
discernment qualities I need to exercise to find that right
biblical church.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well, most churches have what is called a what we
believe mission statement. Make sure you read that. Make you
find out how they believe and what they believe. And
the two things that I would ask that they would
look for. Number one, how do they respond to the
deity of Jesus Christ. Do they see him as God?
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That he is the second person of the Godhead, God,
the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit,
That he is God. He's not just a good preacher
and a good teacher, but he is God himself incarnated incarnated.
Number one, how do they treat the church treats the
deity of Jesus Christ. The second thing is to determine
how they respond to the inerrant, infallible, inspired word of God.
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Do they see it as the word of God? And
I use those adjectives for a reason. Most people say,
it's a good book, and he's got some good stuff
in it, but you know, there may be some things
that's not, you know, really true in it. Well, that's
not how you are to prose the scriptures. If it
is indeed a communicay from God to us, then it
has to be trustworthy, authentic. It has to have veracity
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connected to it. So how do they treat the Scriptures?
Is it the word of God? If they do not
treat it that way, then you need to get as
far away from them as possible, and do not drop
your anchor in a church that does not respect the
deity of Jesus Christ and the authenticity of sixty six
books penned by forty different authors by the will and
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purpose of God.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah. Amen, Well, you know, Pastor Broden, as you say,
and you said earlier, and I want to cycle back
to that, is that this is a time for mature Christians,
and mature Christians are discerning. They know the difference between
good and evil. But you can't possibly be discerning if
you're not in the Word of God. You know, I
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was reading again and a poll that you know, most people,
it's amazing to me who say their Questians maybe are
in the Word of God once a month. How do
you do that? I mean, are you purpose? I know
we're in the lent and season season, but I don't
think God told us to fast from his word during lent, right.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, absolutely. Look, let me give me an illustration. I
have hearing aids. I meant the age now where I
need to have my hearing boostered, if you will. And
they run on batteries. They run on batteries, and sometimes
the battery goes out, and if I don't get it recharged,
my hearing is impaired. I have the instruments that will
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enhance it. If I don't put it back on the
cradle and allow it to charge, it does not work.
And when Christians are not spending time in the Word
of God, their batteries are going down and they don't
have the juice and the zest and the power to
make a difference. You have to have your batteries recharged,
and the only way to recharge them is having a
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daily routine of prayer and study of the Word of God.
I challenge my congregation right now. We began the new
year by saying, look, there's a need, a screaming need,
a desperate need for us to return back to the
fundamentals of the faith.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Bill Yeah, I say, first principles.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I love that exactly, the fundamentals of the faith. And
what do I mean by that? We have been We
have been fed for the last twenty to thirty years
pablem and gravy with no meat and no substance. All
we've been talking about is naming it and claiming it,
believing it and receiving it, halling it and hauling it.
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And we have been in pursuit of the American dream
and not the advancement of the Kingdom of God. And
if that's not true, take a look around at our surrounding,
Look at the culture right now. It's weak. It is
in the grips of evil. Right now, Satan is redefining
morality for us. Why is it that forty percent of
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evangelical Christians are in support of abortion because they're weak
and have been in pursuit of God doing for them
as opposed to them doing for God? Am I right
about it? I know I'm right? And so what is
happening here is that that we need to have a
return to the first principles, to the fundamentals of the faith,
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and the teaching needs to happen from pastors who recognize
they have a stortship responsibility as watsmen on the wall,
who recognize and can read the signs of the time.
The coming of Christ is soon, and He's not coming
for a weak, anemic church.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well, and the thing is is that we are the church.
You know, Pastor brodon you know this is every congregate
in the in the pew is responsible for this. I mean,
pastors are going to be held to a certain level
of accountability, but you know, when it comes to that
moment in time, when you're there knocking at the door
and Jesus says, hey, get away from me. I didn't
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even know you. Well, you're not going to be able
to say, well, hey, look at you know. I was
with the pastor Broughton's church and he did this, and
he did that, and he did this, you know, and
even I I chipped in every once a while myself,
so you know, doesn't that get me a pass? And
he says, no, get away from me, you evildoers.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Right right right, I mean, that's a scary The most
frightening words in scripture, the part for me, you workers
of iniquity, I know you not. That's the most frightening
words in the history of mankind. If you hear that,
it's over, it's done. And so there is a way
to know with certainty. The Bible says these things I
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have written to you in order that you may know
you have eternal righte. We can know that the blessed
assurance is that we have a relationship with God that
is defined by God within the Word of God. One
of the things that need to happen, Bill, and I
think you would agree with this. On a mount of transfiguration,
something was said by a voice that came out of
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heaven God to Father, he said, of Jesus, this is
my beloved son, and who I am well pleased listen
to him. The Greek word therefore, listen is akuo akua
means to hearken unto. It's different from a passive kind.
It's not a passive kind of listening. It's an active listening.
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Hearken unto him. As jesus Us on the mount, God
affirmed with his disciples, what your priority is is to
listen to him. I believe that direction is still available
to us today. Who should we be listening to Donald
Trump through Republican Party talking heads on NBC, CBS and
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ABC and CNN, Fox Knew. No, we're not supposed to
be listening to them. We're supposed to be listening to Christ.
And the question to your audience, those who are listening,
who are hearing us today? Who are you listening to?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Exactly? No, That's exactly why it's interesting you should bring
that up, because you know that is cycled in in
these last couple of weeks several times about you know,
God's pronouncement and the fact that God would say that
to listen to him oh, I mean, if that doesn't
reconnect you and help you realize. But this is where
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we are right now. We got to take this seriously,
Pastor Broden, because a lot of people, you know, somehow
they think that here and now, which only lasts, you know,
as the Bible says seventy if you're lucky enough, maybe
eighty years.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I mean, that's that's a spec of time versus eternity.
And it's interesting because when I talk to people who
will claim to be, you know, not necessarily devout in
their belief and if you ask them about eternity, if Jesus,
if they think Jesus is going to come back and
judge judge us, it's amazing. Even in their doubts, that
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is one thing that they're consistent in agreement on.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Well, I think there is a kind of built in
sensitivity to spiritual things in all of us. However, it
needs to be activated by what Jesus said to Nicodemus.
You must, and the urgency is on the word must.
That's where the urgency is. You must be born again. Yes,
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you see, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Our spirit man died would add them. I want to
get too heavy on theology right now, but you're listening.
Audience needs to know that there is no connection with
God until God connects with you. And the only way
that He connects to you, and I think false is
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the best. In Ephesians, he says, by the mercy of God,
through the great love with which He loved us, made
us alive. How did he make us alive? Because we
were dead, dead in our sins and trespasses, and we
walked according and we formally walked according to the course
of this world, and according to the Prince of the
power of the air of the spirit that is now
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working in the sons of disobedience. So it takes the
regeneration and the birth thing of the spirit of God
in us to get us in the right relationship with God.
So I agree with you that there is a spiritual sensitivity,
But a lot of times that leads people over to
Buddha and to Muhammad. It leads them over to atheism
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or into some kind of world religion that is about
exalting men and believing that man is the highest thing
on the earth. All of that. But the real truth
is that you've got to get right with God, and
the only way to get right with God is that
you must be born again.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, as we've been saying,
one of my favorite phrases has become, you know, Genesis
one in the beginning. You know, everything always starts with
the beginning. You know where our country is right now
in the beginning, Our very lies where it began in
the beginning. And when you go to Genesis of one
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and two, you realize that, you know, our souls are
kind of like the world as God created it. We
were null and void. Chaos was running rampant, and it
was the Spirit of God that hovered over that chaos,
by his grace and mercy to God that that gave
us new birth. And that's kind of what you're pointing
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to here, because without the Spirit of God giving you
new birth and hovering over the craziness and depression of
your life and the shortcomings of your life, you're going
to continue on with business as usual. And guess what,
that's not God intent. God's intent, because you want to
send His Holy Spirit here to have it be otherwise.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Woody, Well, absolutely, I think that option is available right now,
and I think more now than ever before. I believe
God is speaking. That's why I say we need to
listen very carefully. He's speaking right now to the body
of Christ, and he's showing us something about what's happening
in our country right now, what's happening in the world.
There is an effort on the part of the liberal
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left and the socialist paradigm that is foisted upon us
to marginalize Nagate and to remove the influence of Judeo
Christian ethic in this country. And it is not accidental
or incidental, but it is a part of a grand
program that has been coming at us for a very
long time. There's a couple of things you probably already
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know this that Antonio Grimsey said long ago. He says
that one of the reasons why the Bolshevik Revolution did
not take place in Europe. You know, it took place
in Russia, and they was hoping that it would take
place in Europe and it didn't happen becase Christianity was
powerful there and it stopped the movement. And so Antonio,
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looking at Marxism, said that Marxism must change its emphasis
from an economic system into a social system. And what
he means by social system is that we need to
infiltrate the culture that we might influence it. And so
he is set out to do two things, to kill
traditional values and to destroy the Judeo Christian ethic. Take
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a look at what's happening in America. It was Joseph
Stalin who said this bill, and you know it, just
like he said, America is like a healthy body. Its
strength is its patriotism, it's spiritual life, it's morality. If
we can undermine them in those three areas, America will
collapse from within them.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
That's what Joseph Stalin said. So you got Antonio Grimsey
who's changing the emphasis from economic to cultural and infiltrating
every major institution in America that influenced today. US today
is under the sway, under the control, under the influence
of Marxists. You name it. The universities and our educational
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system under Marxism, our media under Marxism, the arts under Marxism.
The government, the United States government, the largest caucus in
the House of Representatives are the Socialists. Yes, they're in
our government. They're in the Senate. And when Joe Biden
was in office and Barack Obama was in office, they
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were in the executive branch. Let's call it like it is.
Those are five. There leaves two institutions. That's left the
family and the church. And I submit to you the
cultural church is under the sway of Marxism, and that
the church, the families in.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The churches today that are under that sway, pastor what
do you think it is? Fifty percent, sixty percent, thirty percent.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I think it's far more than we believe. I think
it's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of seventy seventy five percent,
maybe even eighty eighty. How can you explain that in
America right now? Over seventy percent of most Americas Americans
believe that abortion should be an option. It should be.
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That's seventy percent. And in that number, seven oh seventy
percent are Christians so called Christians.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, yeah, like I told you, I mean, Barne says, right,
you know, forty percent of the church. I mean last
year alone, this is Focus on the Family, reported that
we had seventy three in one year, seventy three million
abortions in the world last year.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And the blood of those innocents crying out to God
and judgment is coming. I'm telling you, the judgment of
God is coming. It has to the way that. Now, listen,
we've been praying, and I've been praying a long time.
I'm seventy three years old and I've been in this
fight for babies since nineteen seventy eight. I followed Phyllis Schlaughley,
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Tim Lahay, Jerry Folwell, James Dobson into what they called
at the time the cultural wars. Remember that that Buchanan
is the one who labeled that, and he labeled that
our movement as a cultural movement back in nineteen eighty eight,
I believe when he was at the Republican convention. But
it was always a cultural war. It was always a
cultural war. And I've been praying since a long time.
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And then we really went to praying when Hillary Clinton
was running for president. We begged God. We begged him
not to let her take over, because if she had
taken over, the country was doomed, it was gone. God
gave us a reprieve, and most of us took victory
lapse after the reprieve. Now, I want you to know
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God didn't give this nation a reprieve. You know what
the free previous for the church. He gave us a
reprieve to get it right, to get back on track.
And what we did is we took victory laps. We
took victory laps then when when uh same sex not
same chex, but when abortion was defeated, we took another.
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But we're still taking victory laps on that, still taking
victory laps on it.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The fight is still on, absolutely and we're losing well.
And that's your your assessment of this is so it
is so spot on, Pastor Broden, and we have to, uh,
at some point we've got to take a stand. I
mean where the people of faith, and it's going to
be people of faith, not anybody else that takes a stand.
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And the people of faith will encourage the pastors of
the church even to you know, to rise up and say, oh,
you know, maybe I need to I need to reassess here.
And it's contagious, you know, courage can be contagious.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Can't sit well, it certainly can't. And some people are
waiting for that one spark of energy that will cause
them to stand up say enough is enough. It's not.
I don't believe we're there right now because we've deflected
from the spiritual answer. The spiritual answer is with God
and with Christ. And we've deflected evangelical even some of
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my friends eve have deflected to Donald Trump. And I'm
telling you that to be careful, we need.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
To make it a little bit better. We got a
little bit better and it was okay. The other thing is,
my friend George Barney says, because I asked her, I said, well,
it seems like the church came out in large measure
to save this country. He said yeah, but sadly it
wasn't for a spiritual reason. It was because they wanted
the stuff that Donald Trump was offering. And I had
to think about that. I go, my gosh, this is
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a prodigal all over again. Right, it's all about the stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Well, it's always been that in America. I have said
for years that the problem is America with rightly connecting
with God is that they have been deceived by the
American dream. That we have been blinded by pursuing the
things that America has promised that we want, and we
all want those things. Listen, we want to have, you know,
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the two cars, a six figure income, a trophy wife,
two tickets to the Super Bowl every year, and you know,
one and a half to two and a half kids,
and we be and we're happy. We don't care about
nothing else as long as that's happening. And because we
have deflected from making the emphasis in our lives the
Kingdom of God, and we're pursuing a selfish, hedonistic, materialistic
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goal of the American dream is hanging in front of
us all the time that we're not pushing the Kingdom
and the Bible. Jesus said to his disciples, seek first
the Kingdom of God and its righteousness, and all these
other things will be added. Unto you, our priority is
the American dream and not the Kingdom of God. God
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has been reduced in America to a genie in the bottle.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah yeah, a mighty atm in the sky, so that
they're both valid. I mean, because we have become very
consumeristic in our approach to God, in our approach to
one another, which is, as you say, pastor, I mean,
it's of the devil. I mean, this is not holiness.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's not righteousness, it's not at all. And I'm going
to tell you Bill, how many of the talk shows,
podcasts pastors are talking like this right now?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, Well, I can tell you very few because let
me let me tell you a story the reason I'm
doing this show. And it started about sixteen years ago, Pastor.
I graduated from Bible College and God, and I was
a broadcaster before in La you know, being a juvenile
play in records and you know, screaming out the hits
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and everything like that. And then I retired and then
was running radio stations and I didn't want to finish
my degree, and I go to Bible College and coming out,
God says, I want you to get behind the microphone again.
And I said, God, I can't do that. He goes, no, no, no, no, no,
you misunderstand. I want you to get beyond the microphone.
And I want you to focus on the truth and
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a biblical worldview. I mean, if you and I are thinking,
this is what I hear God say. And so out
of that, I said, okay, well, where's the best place
to go. Well, let's go to the pastors. I want
to go find pastors who hold to a biblical world
truth and pursue the Word of God. And I'm in
Los Angeles, Pastor, Okay, And you got to know how
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many pastors are in Los Angeles? And I was on
a search for pastors, and I can tell you I
could barely find a handful in which I was doing
a daily show in Los Angeles to find, and then
God forbid that I would get a pastor who would
come in and want to talk about Easter Sunday.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Well, that's that's not that's not good. That was sixteen
years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Wow, six years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I would imagine that you probably still having some difficulty
trying to find pastor to do that. I heard one
guy say it this way. He says, finding evangelical conservative
pastors these days is like plowing concrete. Wow, that's that's
a difficult illustration. But I still believe that there's always
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a blessed remnant. You represent that that there's always a remnant.
Remember what God said to Elisha, I have seven thousand
that have yet found the need. Now, most people think
that that it was a good thing that God was
He was saying that to Elijah, said, I have seven thousand,
but they're cowards. They're hiding in caves. Yes, you're out
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here working for me, but I yet they have not
bowed the need yet. And that's a good thing. But
they are cowards, and I'm gonna tell you we got
some cowards right now. They haven't bowed the need to
bail and they have not bowed to socialism, but they're silent.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean when you look at where
America is pastors that it reminds me of you know,
pre World War two Germany and how the government was
able to conscript the churches and get them to do
their work. I mean, to the degree that some churches
replace the Bible with minecong if you could even imagine that. So,
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these patterns occur in cultures, and they happen time and
time again. And the thing that's consistent is what you
said when we first started talking about and that's a
departation from God, and it's an inemacy of His word
and a relationship with God. And that's when we get weak,
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we drift and we're vulnerable and depending on our sphere
of influence, everybody goes down in that sphere because we're
not holding true to what God told us. What God
told us, not what Donald Trump told us or Joe
Biden or a party or anything like that. God himself
he has told us because he's spoken it to us, clear,
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has he not?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, yeah, absolutely, it says that in Hebrews he spoke
to the prophets and others in many ways, but he's
speaking right now in the person and personality of Jesus Christ.
God is speaking. He's speaking. I believe I hear him
loud and clear. And that's why I'm engaged in this
candidate candidacy that Ronald and I Randall and I are
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involved in that this time. And by the way, you
want to send your listeners to www dot destroy the
Democrat Party dot com. You can see some of the
ads that we're running right now. And we have set
forth what I believe is a template, a template for
how Christians can fight this fight. Right now. There's five
prince build that we are using or building. Our strategy
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on number one is incendiary images. Most Americans if they
see what abortion or child killing is all about, we
believe we can we can change hearts and minds radical,
radical rhetoric. Our language has to change from using words
like abortion. Well, you know, when you have a program
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that you don't want to go anyfore, you abort it.
When the plane is in trouble, you say aboard, aboard.
They of using that word instead of using what it
is murder, yes, child killing. So we say incendiary images,
radical rhetoric, aggressive action. Ronald Randall and I are doing
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aggressive action right now. Listen, and sometimes out of the
tip of the spiritsy. You know, people don't like it.
We get a lot of hate mail, a lot of email.
People hate what we're doing, the left especially and even
guess guess what, even someone on the right. So guys,
you guys are too You're going to alienate people in
there whining. And there's an urgency to stop the killing.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Right exactly. I mean, here's Trump trying to stop the
killing in Ukraine, right, and we've got death here in America.
And then we wonder why death has visited America in
the manner which it has, whether it has to do
with fentanyl or human trafficking and just murder from the
hands of illegal aliens. We have we've opened the door
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to this, have we not?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Oh yeah, I think we're vulnerable as a nation. But
let me just go over. The next two is serious
commitment and viable victory. So there's five incendiary images, radical rhetoric,
aggressive action, serious commitment, and verifiable of victories. Those are
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the things that we're doing, and we are set forth
what we believe is the only way that the pro
life community can get his voice into the public square
right now because the major media is censoring us all
over the place. Social medias are censoring us. You can't
get on if you just say I love America, They're
censor you for that. So you know they're censoring a
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lot of our voices. And here because the FCC made
it clear that if you're a federal candidate, you can
put your ads on television without censorship and at a
reduced price. So we need a real life community to
go to our website and make a contribution. We have
between now and April the first to run our ads,
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and we still need help.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
And again the website, pastor.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
If you would, its www dot destroy the Democratparty dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I also want to take a minute to you know,
we had shown the cover of your book, Ponds have
changed the exploitation of Black Americans by progressive liberals. We've
got a couple of minutes here give us a real
quick summary of that, if you would, Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Loans of Change is my attempt to reveal a strategy
that the left has used in order to motivate the
black community to vote almost in lockstep for their evil,
wicked agenda. And what they have done is played the
race card. And because we are a community that has
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been abused by Jim Crow laws, slavery and second class
citizenships for so long, that has a sting for us
and it still stings its and they go and pull
that scab every two years and every four years to
get us to vote for Democrats. But here's here's what amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
It was a Democratic party that instituted these things, you know.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
As irony of it all right, absolutely absolutely, But when
you control the media, you control the narrative. Here's why
I believe that the Republicans are equally at fault because
they have allowed the Democrats to define who they are
in our community. The only explanation, the narrative of who
the Republican Party is, what they're all about, comes from
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the Democrats. And the Democrats only the Republicans don't talk,
they don't go encounter. And they have a history of
fighting for civil rights, a history connected with ending slavery.
They have a legacy, but they have not championed that legacy,
and they have left the black community to the narrative
of the left and they have manipulated and deceived us
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into voting for our own demands. You take a look
at our community for the last fifty years voting for Democrats.
Our community that is worse to now than it's ever been.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Right and it looks like I mean, you can thank
Donald Trump in part to opening that door and the
communication channels with all the minority communities, whether they're Hispanic, Blacks, Asian.
Donald Trump did something out of character for the republic
and Party and gave them a new playbook. Hopefully, you know,
they will not fight and they will learn from what
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Donald Trump has demonstrated and you know to them and
how they can win passor Barona. Can I thank you
enough for coming on and talking about these issues, especially,
you know, the fundamental issue of returning to God, because
more than anything else, more than more than America, more
than a party, it's our relationship with Jesus and God
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Almighty himself, who's waiting to bring us home. And he's
given us all the tools and better than a GPS system,
He's given it to us so that we can come
home and be with him for eternity. And as one
commentator said, eternity, that's a long time.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, Well, I know this America has offended God, and
we need to make sure that we try to undo
what we have done in our relationship with him. If
my people we'll call by my name, would humble themselves
and pray seek my face, turn from their wicked ways,
then and only then will they hear from heaven.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, and he'll heal our land. Pastor Stefan Brodn, author
of Ponds of Change, the exploitation of Black Americans by
progressive Liberals, also an independent candidate for Florida's District number one. Pastor,
thank you again, God, bless you, take care.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Thank you have me again, Bill, you got it.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I'll stay attached. Okay, all right, And what a blessing.
We're so grateful for Pastor Broden for coming on. I
pray that you were blessed by the things that we
shared with you in all honesty, because we know what's
hanging in the balance, you know your very lives, and
we would be neglect if we didn't, you know, share
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this critical gospel message that you need to hear. And
maybe now it's the time that you can hear, and
maybe only this time that you can hear this message.
And I challenge you, and I encourage you to look
into it further and decide for yourself. Make sure you
have the facts at hand. God says look at If
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you search for him, you'll find him, but you much
do so with all your heart and all your strength.
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day with us and for joining us. For more information
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and keep you. May you face shine upon you, and
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, hello, Bill Martinez, good to have you with us.
I hope you're having a great day. There's so much
happening in your America, right, I mean, it's hard to
keep pace. I mean you probably want to feel like
Laurence o'donald and take a week off so you can
kind of catch your breath, because how quick the Trump
administration has been moving, you know, really leaving no prisoners behind.
(00:59):
So and I guess that's an intentional statement, even though
there's some judges that would like him to leave prisoners behind.
I say, fine, lean behind, but how about if they
just hang out in your neighborhood for a while and
then maybe you can understand the sense of urgency of
what's going on in the deportation of these immigrants who
(01:20):
are here. Oh, that's right illegally. And as if that's
not enough, they really don't care about this country and
they don't care about the people in this country, as
evidenced by the level of crimes that they do anything
for murder and sex trafficking, the importation of fentanyl and
other drugs that are killing Americans to the tune of
(01:42):
one hundred and thousand plus every year. I mean, think
about it. And so what's President Trump's supposed to do,
as I was discussing with somebody earlier today, is his
number one job is about national security, regardless of what
these judges, these federal judge just think. And you know,
God bless President Trump for doing something that other presidents
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said that they wanted to do but didn't do, or
they just flat out lied to us and said, oh,
but I'm doing that. Well, not so right, I mean,
here it is. I mean, look at the comparison. Joe
Biden by executive voter allowed you know, millions of illegal
immigrants to when they say eight to ten, probably more.
(02:26):
I mean, because you have got aways and other numbers
that you can't even qualify. But you know, I think
ten million is a good round estimate and figure you
can use. He lets them in by executive voter. But
yet Donald Trump, who's trying to get him out, which
seventy seven million people voted and said, get these guys
out of here. You know, we don't need more Lincoln Riley.
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So how many more of those are others murders do
we have to tolerate? You know, we've already got a
problem with human trafficking. On top of this, three hundred
thousand young people are missing. We have no idea where
they're at. And you know, this is all brought to
you by my orchist, Joe Biden. The Democrats, the Democratic Party,
you know, for that matter. I mean, it's at their doorstep,
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regardless of what they say, and regardless of how fearful
of Donald Trump that they say they are. I mean,
this is uh their doing. It's no wonder they're in
the wilderness right now and lost and trying to figure out.
And meanwhile, the left wing, the extreme left wing of
their party is out there, you know, seemingly on the surface,
according to the media, gaining some momentum, thousands of people,
(03:33):
you know, coming to these rallies. But you know, I
pray that these people would have some discernment and understand
and ask the you know, critical follow up question. You know,
AOC and Bernie Sanders talks about an oligarchy, Well, you know,
think about it. I mean, it's like the other side
of the same coin. You know, they say, well, what's
an oligarchy? And oligarchy is when a country is run
(03:53):
by a small amount of people, you know, unelected people. Well,
excuse me, that's what we went through with, you know,
with Joe Biden and before that Barack Obama. Maybe not
so bad with Barack Obama. We kind of felt like
he was the president all along. But the fact that
you could ask yourself there right in the waning days
of the Biden administration, who's the president? After all? Right?
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I mean, when did we ever ask that question? You
got to go back, you know, one hundred years plus
and realize, you know, when we had some infirm presidents
to ask that question, you know, whether it was FDR
and a couple others before him that was the question.
Then you find out afterwards, oh yeah, that's right, he
wasn't president, but his wife friend, you know, ran the
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government for two years. Really Oh wow, that's you know,
And so what happens is that invalidate all these orders
and everything. Not to mention an auto pen, which is
in question. I spoke with an attorney this morning about
that specifically, and you know, they said, well, you know,
other presidents had used auto pen and I can understand.
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I mean, there's lots of things to and that sort
of deal. But when you question the competency of a
president and you wonder, you say, well, are these guys,
I mean, is this kind of like a scene from
mash you know with radar O'Reilly just bringing paperwork saying
you're just sign here, you know, colonel, just that's all
you got to do. Is that what they're doing for
Joe Biden? Maybe even not even giving in that courtesy
(05:18):
and just saying, hey, that's okay. The old man. You know,
he's asleep right now, so you know, we'll we'll handle
that for him. Right So there's going to be some
discussion about that. Not to mention the fact, I also said, well,
what about you know, these preemptive pardons. I mean, why
are people being pardoned if they haven't been convicted. Man,
some to think about. But anyway, getting back to this
(05:41):
socialist movement in our country, is you flat out and
what you have to discern, and I think majority of
Americans are beginning to understand this is that you have
people that are not interested in America. I mean, Joe
Biden loved America as much as he said he did.
Why would he do such dampsuch to America? Why would
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he on his way out dump I mean, we're already broke, right,
and he ends up dumping almost a trillion dollars of
money we don't have. He says, get it out there,
get it out and get us fed, and get it
all to all these NGOs and everything like that before
Donald Trump comes. Because he's so evil and he's going
to be a king, he's going to be such a dictator.
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But meanwhile, Joe Biden, in a dictator esque manner, empties
out a trillion dollars and adds that to the top
of the budget.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Go figure.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, today, we're honored to have a independent candidate for Congress.
He's running for District number one of Florida. He's been
on with us before. We're just very privileged to have
the executive director of content of Character series. Pastor Stephen
Broden is with us right now, and Pastor is also
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author of Pawns of Change, the exploitation of Black America
by progressive Liberals and incredible insight on that. And we
welcome Pastor Broden to the show now. Stefan'm Broden, welcome.
Good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, good to be back with you. Bill.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it's been it's been a while, but look at
you're running as an independent in District number one in
the state of Florida, and you and terryl Terry Randall
Terry have just flat out just said exactly what many
people are thinking is the problem with the country is
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the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh absolutely, We're running in District one, I am, and
Randall's running in District six. And these are primaries right now,
they're not the general election. General election is coming up. However,
we're not running to win, Bill, as you probably already know.
We're running because we're strategically reminding the Floridians, the Floridians
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that the issue that is facing us as a nation
is that we have alienated and offended a living God
by affirming and promoting childkilling in our country right now,
upwards to twenty twenty seven states have amended their state
constitution to allow child killing by abortion in their states
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amended their constitutions. And so we believe that the fortress
of evil, the fountain head of corruption and moral rot,
is a Democrat Party. And so we're running with this
banner destroy the Democrat Party. We believe there's an opportunity
in America now to rid ourselves of this fortress of evil.
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This means by which the absolute redefinition of morality is
taking place in America because of this political party. And
so there's an opportunity here. Most Americans recognize that there
has been a shift in our nation away from those
traditional values and biblical values, and that the spearhead of
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the attack on those values is the Democrat Party. And
so that's why Donald Trump is in office now. But
I want to issue a warning bill, and I think
you are as well, is that we need to be
very discerning here, and particularly the evangelical community and the
community of faith. We need to be careful here. And
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why do I say that we need to be discerning? Yes,
we are delighted that Kamala Harris did not win and
the Democrat Party did not further their agenda of flipping
this nation into a globalist paradigm that is connected to
the globalists and their effort to move our nation out
of its patriotic emphasis into a global emphasis that is
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against our liberties. Number one and number two on the
target list is our religious liberties. And so we're delighted
that that happened, but at the same time, we need
to hold the Republican Party accountable because they have changed,
literally changed their position on abortion. We saw that in
(10:12):
the convention there was a shift away from the platform's
position on abortion and on same sex marriage. Those two
issues in particular were literally changed, the emphasis that was changed,
and most who are in the evangelical community said, you know,
we need to get rid of the Democrats and we'll
deal with that later. Well, remember you said you're going
(10:34):
to deal with it later. You need to remember that.
So we need to be discerning at this time that
we're still in the place of offending a living God
and we cannot sing God Bless America when we are
slaughtering innocent babies and affirming abomination in same sex marriage, transgenderism,
and affirming pedophilia. As a choice. All of that comes
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from the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, there's no doubt that that is where the roote resigns.
But the fact, the fact of the matter in what
you're saying is that there's been crossover and many people
are infected by it, Republicans, people in the church. According
to George Barnett, forty percent of evangelicals Christians say that
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they're okay with abortion. You know, that's an anethema. So
this has gone a long way. And so you know,
Pastor Brodon, you and I are in agreement. But what's
going to reconcile to this is that we must come
to God. We must understand what is going on. How
does God really feel about this, Not our neighbor, not
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Joe Biden, not a party, but what does God say
about this? And how have we grieved His heart? And
then maybe, just maybe, and we could only hope this
would be the case, is that we would be like
Isaiah who was exposed to the reality of God and
says on toast, how can I stand before Holy Godden?
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That's what you're saying. But until we get there, you know,
we're going to continue on to think that God somehow
is going to grade on the curve here, right.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, I think there's two things that we need to recognize.
That's what I said. Discernment is important here. Yes, if
you remember Hebrews Chapter five, verse fourteen says this solid
food is for the mature, who through practice have their
senses trained to recognize or discern good from evil. Yes,
I think we're not there yet. There is a level
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of immaturity in the evangelical church. But at the same time,
I want us to recognize that there are two churches
in America. Two churches. There is the cultural church and
then there's the Biblical Church. We cannot determine what the
church is doing by making an assessment of the church
based upon a cultural church. A cultural church is more
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concerned about being PC politically correct as a posed to
b C biblically correct, and God knows in those churches
see see constitutional correctness is thrown under the bus, but
not so in the Biblical Church. In the Biblical Church,
we are defining who we are based upon what God
has said. But to the degree that we recognize that
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we have a stewardship, responsibility, assault and light agents of
the Kingdom of God to go into the public square
and represent the mind of God and be that agency
through which we influence the character and the behavior and
the morality of the nation. Right we'll be in trouble
right now, so many of us saying we don't want
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to get involved in politics. We're waiting for the second Advent.
Jesus is coming again. All of that is true. But
God called you to be salt and light agents. And
that's not in the four corners of your church, in
the four walls of your church. That's outside, in the
public square. And so what I am doing, and what
Randall is doing, is setting a template. We're setting away
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a strategy of means by which we can get into
the public square and make our voice heard and challenge
the consciousness of our nation. That innocent blood screams out
to the Lord, and the Lord will hear it and judge.
And we know that God is a promise keeper. He
keeps us word. If you offended him, He's going to judge.
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Judgment happened.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, what you're pointing to is that right now, especially
since the election of Donald Trump, it's as if what
has happened is we have an opportune time here because
voices of reason, voices of faith are being heard like
never before. I mean, I was just reading a study
the other day where there is been a noted increase
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of Catholics coming back to the church pastor Brogen evangelicals
are on the rise. You know, You've got an app
called Hollow which is one of the most popular apps
right now on the planet. Millions of people praying every
day with this app, people praying the Rosary and record numbers.
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So this tells me that you like. What you're suggesting
is that we have a window of opportunity. And it's
not like I mean, even though I understand we're lucky
here in the United States, minor persecution of Christians and
people minor like a hangnail or something compared to what
others are going through in terms of having their heads
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ripped off. In fact, I was just watching I don't
know if you have seen this kind of semi animated
movie on twenty one, which was a readdressing of the
twenty one Coptic Christians who were beheaded by Isis in
twenty fifteen. It is a powerful movie. And here these
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men they were told, look at all you got to
do is reject Christ, reject your religion and you'll live.
If you don't, we're going to take your heads off.
Neither one of them rejected that, and they stood for Jesus,
and each one of them had their head removed.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, I agree with you that there is that an
opportunity here, and there are many who are turning to
the church. But we've got to recognize that the church
is anemic and weak and has lost this influence in America.
So although they're turning to the church, we need to
make sure that a biblical church is available to them,
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that there is a distinction between what is cultural versus
what is biblical.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And let me let me ask you this real quick,
because this is really important that people get this, because
there's some people out there saying, you know, Pastor Broton,
I'm looking for a church. What should I look for?
You know how, what are the discernment What are the
discernment qualities I need to exercise to find that right
biblical church.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well, most churches have what is called a what we
believe mission statement. Make sure you read that. Make you
find out how they believe and what they believe. And
the two things that I would ask that they would
look for. Number one, how do they respond to the
deity of Jesus Christ. Do they see him as God?
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That he is the second person of the Godhead, God,
the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit,
That he is God. He's not just a good preacher
and a good teacher, but he is God himself incarnated incarnated.
Number one, how do they treat the church treats the
deity of Jesus Christ. The second thing is to determine
how they respond to the inerrant, infallible, inspired word of God.
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Do they see it as the word of God? And
I use those adjectives for a reason. Most people say,
it's a good book, and he's got some good stuff
in it, but you know, there may be some things
that's not, you know, really true in it. Well, that's
not how you are to prose the scriptures. If it
is indeed a communicay from God to us, then it
has to be trustworthy, authentic. It has to have veracity
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connected to it. So how do they treat the Scriptures?
Is it the word of God? If they do not
treat it that way, then you need to get as
far away from them as possible, and do not drop
your anchor in a church that does not respect the
deity of Jesus Christ and the authenticity of sixty six
books penned by forty different authors by the will and
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purpose of God.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah. Amen, Well, you know, Pastor Broden, as you say,
and you said earlier, and I want to cycle back
to that, is that this is a time for mature Christians,
and mature Christians are discerning. They know the difference between
good and evil. But you can't possibly be discerning if
you're not in the Word of God. You know, I
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was reading again and a poll that you know, most people,
it's amazing to me who say their Questians maybe are
in the Word of God once a month. How do
you do that? I mean, are you purpose? I know
we're in the lent and season season, but I don't
think God told us to fast from his word during lent, right.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, absolutely. Look, let me give me an illustration. I
have hearing aids. I meant the age now where I
need to have my hearing boostered, if you will. And
they run on batteries. They run on batteries, and sometimes
the battery goes out, and if I don't get it recharged,
my hearing is impaired. I have the instruments that will
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enhance it. If I don't put it back on the
cradle and allow it to charge, it does not work.
And when Christians are not spending time in the Word
of God, their batteries are going down and they don't
have the juice and the zest and the power to
make a difference. You have to have your batteries recharged,
and the only way to recharge them is having a
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daily routine of prayer and study of the Word of God.
I challenge my congregation right now. We began the new
year by saying, look, there's a need, a screaming need,
a desperate need for us to return back to the
fundamentals of the faith.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Bill Yeah, I say, first principles.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I love that exactly, the fundamentals of the faith. And
what do I mean by that? We have been We
have been fed for the last twenty to thirty years
pablem and gravy with no meat and no substance. All
we've been talking about is naming it and claiming it,
believing it and receiving it, halling it and hauling it.
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And we have been in pursuit of the American dream
and not the advancement of the Kingdom of God. And
if that's not true, take a look around at our surrounding,
Look at the culture right now. It's weak. It is
in the grips of evil. Right now, Satan is redefining
morality for us. Why is it that forty percent of
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evangelical Christians are in support of abortion because they're weak
and have been in pursuit of God doing for them
as opposed to them doing for God? Am I right
about it? I know I'm right? And so what is
happening here is that that we need to have a
return to the first principles, to the fundamentals of the faith,
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and the teaching needs to happen from pastors who recognize
they have a stortship responsibility as watsmen on the wall,
who recognize and can read the signs of the time.
The coming of Christ is soon, and He's not coming
for a weak, anemic church.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well, and the thing is is that we are the church.
You know, Pastor brodon you know this is every congregate
in the in the pew is responsible for this. I mean,
pastors are going to be held to a certain level
of accountability, but you know, when it comes to that
moment in time, when you're there knocking at the door
and Jesus says, hey, get away from me. I didn't
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even know you. Well, you're not going to be able
to say, well, hey, look at you know. I was
with the pastor Broughton's church and he did this, and
he did that, and he did this, you know, and
even I I chipped in every once a while myself,
so you know, doesn't that get me a pass? And
he says, no, get away from me, you evildoers.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Right right right, I mean, that's a scary The most
frightening words in scripture, the part for me, you workers
of iniquity, I know you not. That's the most frightening
words in the history of mankind. If you hear that,
it's over, it's done. And so there is a way
to know with certainty. The Bible says these things I
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have written to you in order that you may know
you have eternal righte. We can know that the blessed
assurance is that we have a relationship with God that
is defined by God within the Word of God. One
of the things that need to happen, Bill, and I
think you would agree with this. On a mount of transfiguration,
something was said by a voice that came out of
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heaven God to Father, he said, of Jesus, this is
my beloved son, and who I am well pleased listen
to him. The Greek word therefore, listen is akuo akua
means to hearken unto. It's different from a passive kind.
It's not a passive kind of listening. It's an active listening.
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Hearken unto him. As jesus Us on the mount, God
affirmed with his disciples, what your priority is is to
listen to him. I believe that direction is still available
to us today. Who should we be listening to Donald
Trump through Republican Party talking heads on NBC, CBS and
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ABC and CNN, Fox Knew. No, we're not supposed to
be listening to them. We're supposed to be listening to Christ.
And the question to your audience, those who are listening,
who are hearing us today? Who are you listening to?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Exactly? No, That's exactly why it's interesting you should bring
that up, because you know that is cycled in in
these last couple of weeks several times about you know,
God's pronouncement and the fact that God would say that
to listen to him oh, I mean, if that doesn't
reconnect you and help you realize. But this is where
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we are right now. We got to take this seriously,
Pastor Broden, because a lot of people, you know, somehow
they think that here and now, which only lasts, you know,
as the Bible says seventy if you're lucky enough, maybe
eighty years.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I mean, that's that's a spec of time versus eternity.
And it's interesting because when I talk to people who
will claim to be, you know, not necessarily devout in
their belief and if you ask them about eternity, if Jesus,
if they think Jesus is going to come back and
judge judge us, it's amazing. Even in their doubts, that
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is one thing that they're consistent in agreement on.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Well, I think there is a kind of built in
sensitivity to spiritual things in all of us. However, it
needs to be activated by what Jesus said to Nicodemus.
You must, and the urgency is on the word must.
That's where the urgency is. You must be born again. Yes,
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you see, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Our spirit man died would add them. I want to
get too heavy on theology right now, but you're listening.
Audience needs to know that there is no connection with
God until God connects with you. And the only way
that He connects to you, and I think false is
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the best. In Ephesians, he says, by the mercy of God,
through the great love with which He loved us, made
us alive. How did he make us alive? Because we
were dead, dead in our sins and trespasses, and we
walked according and we formally walked according to the course
of this world, and according to the Prince of the
power of the air of the spirit that is now
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working in the sons of disobedience. So it takes the
regeneration and the birth thing of the spirit of God
in us to get us in the right relationship with God.
So I agree with you that there is a spiritual sensitivity,
But a lot of times that leads people over to
Buddha and to Muhammad. It leads them over to atheism
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or into some kind of world religion that is about
exalting men and believing that man is the highest thing
on the earth. All of that. But the real truth
is that you've got to get right with God, and
the only way to get right with God is that
you must be born again.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, as we've been saying,
one of my favorite phrases has become, you know, Genesis
one in the beginning. You know, everything always starts with
the beginning. You know where our country is right now
in the beginning, Our very lies where it began in
the beginning. And when you go to Genesis of one
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and two, you realize that, you know, our souls are
kind of like the world as God created it. We
were null and void. Chaos was running rampant, and it
was the Spirit of God that hovered over that chaos,
by his grace and mercy to God that that gave
us new birth. And that's kind of what you're pointing
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to here, because without the Spirit of God giving you
new birth and hovering over the craziness and depression of
your life and the shortcomings of your life, you're going
to continue on with business as usual. And guess what,
that's not God intent. God's intent, because you want to
send His Holy Spirit here to have it be otherwise.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Woody, Well, absolutely, I think that option is available right now,
and I think more now than ever before. I believe
God is speaking. That's why I say we need to
listen very carefully. He's speaking right now to the body
of Christ, and he's showing us something about what's happening
in our country right now, what's happening in the world.
There is an effort on the part of the liberal
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left and the socialist paradigm that is foisted upon us
to marginalize Nagate and to remove the influence of Judeo
Christian ethic in this country. And it is not accidental
or incidental, but it is a part of a grand
program that has been coming at us for a very
long time. There's a couple of things you probably already
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know this that Antonio Grimsey said long ago. He says
that one of the reasons why the Bolshevik Revolution did
not take place in Europe. You know, it took place
in Russia, and they was hoping that it would take
place in Europe and it didn't happen becase Christianity was
powerful there and it stopped the movement. And so Antonio,
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looking at Marxism, said that Marxism must change its emphasis
from an economic system into a social system. And what
he means by social system is that we need to
infiltrate the culture that we might influence it. And so
he is set out to do two things, to kill
traditional values and to destroy the Judeo Christian ethic. Take
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a look at what's happening in America. It was Joseph
Stalin who said this bill, and you know it, just
like he said, America is like a healthy body. Its
strength is its patriotism, it's spiritual life, it's morality. If
we can undermine them in those three areas, America will
collapse from within them.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
That's what Joseph Stalin said. So you got Antonio Grimsey
who's changing the emphasis from economic to cultural and infiltrating
every major institution in America that influenced today. US today
is under the sway, under the control, under the influence
of Marxists. You name it. The universities and our educational
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system under Marxism, our media under Marxism, the arts under Marxism.
The government, the United States government, the largest caucus in
the House of Representatives are the Socialists. Yes, they're in
our government. They're in the Senate. And when Joe Biden
was in office and Barack Obama was in office, they
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were in the executive branch. Let's call it like it is.
Those are five. There leaves two institutions. That's left the
family and the church. And I submit to you the
cultural church is under the sway of Marxism, and that
the church, the families in.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The churches today that are under that sway, pastor what
do you think it is? Fifty percent, sixty percent, thirty percent.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I think it's far more than we believe. I think
it's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of seventy seventy five percent,
maybe even eighty eighty. How can you explain that in
America right now? Over seventy percent of most Americas Americans
believe that abortion should be an option. It should be.
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That's seventy percent. And in that number, seven oh seventy
percent are Christians so called Christians.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, yeah, like I told you, I mean, Barne says, right,
you know, forty percent of the church. I mean last
year alone, this is Focus on the Family, reported that
we had seventy three in one year, seventy three million
abortions in the world last year.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And the blood of those innocents crying out to God
and judgment is coming. I'm telling you, the judgment of
God is coming. It has to the way that. Now, listen,
we've been praying, and I've been praying a long time.
I'm seventy three years old and I've been in this
fight for babies since nineteen seventy eight. I followed Phyllis Schlaughley,
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Tim Lahay, Jerry Folwell, James Dobson into what they called
at the time the cultural wars. Remember that that Buchanan
is the one who labeled that, and he labeled that
our movement as a cultural movement back in nineteen eighty eight,
I believe when he was at the Republican convention. But
it was always a cultural war. It was always a
cultural war. And I've been praying since a long time.
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And then we really went to praying when Hillary Clinton
was running for president. We begged God. We begged him
not to let her take over, because if she had
taken over, the country was doomed, it was gone. God
gave us a reprieve, and most of us took victory
lapse after the reprieve. Now, I want you to know
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God didn't give this nation a reprieve. You know what
the free previous for the church. He gave us a
reprieve to get it right, to get back on track.
And what we did is we took victory laps. We
took victory laps then when when uh same sex not
same chex, but when abortion was defeated, we took another.
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But we're still taking victory laps on that, still taking
victory laps on it.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The fight is still on, absolutely and we're losing well.
And that's your your assessment of this is so it
is so spot on, Pastor Broden, and we have to, uh,
at some point we've got to take a stand. I
mean where the people of faith, and it's going to
be people of faith, not anybody else that takes a stand.
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And the people of faith will encourage the pastors of
the church even to you know, to rise up and say, oh,
you know, maybe I need to I need to reassess here.
And it's contagious, you know, courage can be contagious.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Can't sit well, it certainly can't. And some people are
waiting for that one spark of energy that will cause
them to stand up say enough is enough. It's not.
I don't believe we're there right now because we've deflected
from the spiritual answer. The spiritual answer is with God
and with Christ. And we've deflected evangelical even some of
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my friends eve have deflected to Donald Trump. And I'm
telling you that to be careful, we need.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
To make it a little bit better. We got a
little bit better and it was okay. The other thing is,
my friend George Barney says, because I asked her, I said, well,
it seems like the church came out in large measure
to save this country. He said yeah, but sadly it
wasn't for a spiritual reason. It was because they wanted
the stuff that Donald Trump was offering. And I had
to think about that. I go, my gosh, this is
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a prodigal all over again. Right, it's all about the stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Well, it's always been that in America. I have said
for years that the problem is America with rightly connecting
with God is that they have been deceived by the
American dream. That we have been blinded by pursuing the
things that America has promised that we want, and we
all want those things. Listen, we want to have, you know,
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the two cars, a six figure income, a trophy wife,
two tickets to the Super Bowl every year, and you know,
one and a half to two and a half kids,
and we be and we're happy. We don't care about
nothing else as long as that's happening. And because we
have deflected from making the emphasis in our lives the
Kingdom of God, and we're pursuing a selfish, hedonistic, materialistic
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goal of the American dream is hanging in front of
us all the time that we're not pushing the Kingdom
and the Bible. Jesus said to his disciples, seek first
the Kingdom of God and its righteousness, and all these
other things will be added. Unto you, our priority is
the American dream and not the Kingdom of God. God
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has been reduced in America to a genie in the bottle.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah yeah, a mighty atm in the sky, so that
they're both valid. I mean, because we have become very
consumeristic in our approach to God, in our approach to
one another, which is, as you say, pastor, I mean,
it's of the devil. I mean, this is not holiness.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's not righteousness, it's not at all. And I'm going
to tell you Bill, how many of the talk shows,
podcasts pastors are talking like this right now?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, Well, I can tell you very few because let
me let me tell you a story the reason I'm
doing this show. And it started about sixteen years ago, Pastor.
I graduated from Bible College and God, and I was
a broadcaster before in La you know, being a juvenile
play in records and you know, screaming out the hits
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and everything like that. And then I retired and then
was running radio stations and I didn't want to finish
my degree, and I go to Bible College and coming out,
God says, I want you to get behind the microphone again.
And I said, God, I can't do that. He goes, no, no, no, no, no,
you misunderstand. I want you to get beyond the microphone.
And I want you to focus on the truth and
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a biblical worldview. I mean, if you and I are thinking,
this is what I hear God say. And so out
of that, I said, okay, well, where's the best place
to go. Well, let's go to the pastors. I want
to go find pastors who hold to a biblical world
truth and pursue the Word of God. And I'm in
Los Angeles, Pastor, Okay, And you got to know how
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many pastors are in Los Angeles? And I was on
a search for pastors, and I can tell you I
could barely find a handful in which I was doing
a daily show in Los Angeles to find, and then
God forbid that I would get a pastor who would
come in and want to talk about Easter Sunday.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Well, that's that's not that's not good. That was sixteen
years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Wow, six years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I would imagine that you probably still having some difficulty
trying to find pastor to do that. I heard one
guy say it this way. He says, finding evangelical conservative
pastors these days is like plowing concrete. Wow, that's that's
a difficult illustration. But I still believe that there's always
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a blessed remnant. You represent that that there's always a remnant.
Remember what God said to Elisha, I have seven thousand
that have yet found the need. Now, most people think
that that it was a good thing that God was
He was saying that to Elijah, said, I have seven thousand,
but they're cowards. They're hiding in caves. Yes, you're out
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here working for me, but I yet they have not
bowed the need yet. And that's a good thing. But
they are cowards, and I'm gonna tell you we got
some cowards right now. They haven't bowed the need to
bail and they have not bowed to socialism, but they're silent.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean when you look at where
America is pastors that it reminds me of you know,
pre World War two Germany and how the government was
able to conscript the churches and get them to do
their work. I mean, to the degree that some churches
replace the Bible with minecong if you could even imagine that. So,
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these patterns occur in cultures, and they happen time and
time again. And the thing that's consistent is what you
said when we first started talking about and that's a
departation from God, and it's an inemacy of His word
and a relationship with God. And that's when we get weak,
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we drift and we're vulnerable and depending on our sphere
of influence, everybody goes down in that sphere because we're
not holding true to what God told us. What God
told us, not what Donald Trump told us or Joe
Biden or a party or anything like that. God himself
he has told us because he's spoken it to us, clear,
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has he not?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, yeah, absolutely, it says that in Hebrews he spoke
to the prophets and others in many ways, but he's
speaking right now in the person and personality of Jesus Christ.
God is speaking. He's speaking. I believe I hear him
loud and clear. And that's why I'm engaged in this
candidate candidacy that Ronald and I Randall and I are
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involved in that this time. And by the way, you
want to send your listeners to www dot destroy the
Democrat Party dot com. You can see some of the
ads that we're running right now. And we have set
forth what I believe is a template, a template for
how Christians can fight this fight. Right now. There's five
prince build that we are using or building. Our strategy
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on number one is incendiary images. Most Americans if they
see what abortion or child killing is all about, we
believe we can we can change hearts and minds radical,
radical rhetoric. Our language has to change from using words
like abortion. Well, you know, when you have a program
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that you don't want to go anyfore, you abort it.
When the plane is in trouble, you say aboard, aboard.
They of using that word instead of using what it
is murder, yes, child killing. So we say incendiary images,
radical rhetoric, aggressive action. Ronald Randall and I are doing
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aggressive action right now. Listen, and sometimes out of the
tip of the spiritsy. You know, people don't like it.
We get a lot of hate mail, a lot of email.
People hate what we're doing, the left especially and even
guess guess what, even someone on the right. So guys,
you guys are too You're going to alienate people in
there whining. And there's an urgency to stop the killing.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Right exactly. I mean, here's Trump trying to stop the
killing in Ukraine, right, and we've got death here in America.
And then we wonder why death has visited America in
the manner which it has, whether it has to do
with fentanyl or human trafficking and just murder from the
hands of illegal aliens. We have we've opened the door
(42:29):
to this, have we not?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Oh yeah, I think we're vulnerable as a nation. But
let me just go over. The next two is serious
commitment and viable victory. So there's five incendiary images, radical rhetoric,
aggressive action, serious commitment, and verifiable of victories. Those are
(42:50):
the things that we're doing, and we are set forth
what we believe is the only way that the pro
life community can get his voice into the public square
right now because the major media is censoring us all
over the place. Social medias are censoring us. You can't
get on if you just say I love America, They're
censor you for that. So you know they're censoring a
(43:11):
lot of our voices. And here because the FCC made
it clear that if you're a federal candidate, you can
put your ads on television without censorship and at a
reduced price. So we need a real life community to
go to our website and make a contribution. We have
between now and April the first to run our ads,
(43:33):
and we still need help.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
And again the website, pastor.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
If you would, its www dot destroy the Democratparty dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I also want to take a minute to you know,
we had shown the cover of your book, Ponds have
changed the exploitation of Black Americans by progressive liberals. We've
got a couple of minutes here give us a real
quick summary of that, if you would, Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Loans of Change is my attempt to reveal a strategy
that the left has used in order to motivate the
black community to vote almost in lockstep for their evil,
wicked agenda. And what they have done is played the
race card. And because we are a community that has
(44:20):
been abused by Jim Crow laws, slavery and second class
citizenships for so long, that has a sting for us
and it still stings its and they go and pull
that scab every two years and every four years to
get us to vote for Democrats. But here's here's what amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
It was a Democratic party that instituted these things, you know.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
As irony of it all right, absolutely absolutely, But when
you control the media, you control the narrative. Here's why
I believe that the Republicans are equally at fault because
they have allowed the Democrats to define who they are
in our community. The only explanation, the narrative of who
the Republican Party is, what they're all about, comes from
(45:11):
the Democrats. And the Democrats only the Republicans don't talk,
they don't go encounter. And they have a history of
fighting for civil rights, a history connected with ending slavery.
They have a legacy, but they have not championed that legacy,
and they have left the black community to the narrative
of the left and they have manipulated and deceived us
(45:34):
into voting for our own demands. You take a look
at our community for the last fifty years voting for Democrats.
Our community that is worse to now than it's ever been.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Right and it looks like I mean, you can thank
Donald Trump in part to opening that door and the
communication channels with all the minority communities, whether they're Hispanic, Blacks, Asian.
Donald Trump did something out of character for the republic
and Party and gave them a new playbook. Hopefully, you know,
they will not fight and they will learn from what
(46:06):
Donald Trump has demonstrated and you know to them and
how they can win passor Barona. Can I thank you
enough for coming on and talking about these issues, especially,
you know, the fundamental issue of returning to God, because
more than anything else, more than more than America, more
than a party, it's our relationship with Jesus and God
(46:29):
Almighty himself, who's waiting to bring us home. And he's
given us all the tools and better than a GPS system,
He's given it to us so that we can come
home and be with him for eternity. And as one
commentator said, eternity, that's a long time.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, Well, I know this America has offended God, and
we need to make sure that we try to undo
what we have done in our relationship with him. If
my people we'll call by my name, would humble themselves
and pray seek my face, turn from their wicked ways,
then and only then will they hear from heaven.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, and he'll heal our land. Pastor Stefan Brodn, author
of Ponds of Change, the exploitation of Black Americans by
progressive Liberals, also an independent candidate for Florida's District number one. Pastor,
thank you again, God, bless you, take care.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Thank you have me again, Bill, you got it.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I'll stay attached. Okay, all right, And what a blessing.
We're so grateful for Pastor Broden for coming on. I
pray that you were blessed by the things that we
shared with you in all honesty, because we know what's
hanging in the balance, you know your very lives, and
we would be neglect if we didn't, you know, share
(47:56):
this critical gospel message that you need to hear. And
maybe now it's the time that you can hear, and
maybe only this time that you can hear this message.
And I challenge you, and I encourage you to look
into it further and decide for yourself. Make sure you
have the facts at hand. God says look at If
(48:16):
you search for him, you'll find him, but you much
do so with all your heart and all your strength.
So I thank you for sharing a part of your
day with us and for joining us. For more information
on the show, you can go to Bill Martinez Live
dot com. That's going to be a wrap for us.
Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless you
and keep you. May you face shine upon you, and
(48:38):
may be gracious unto you and give you peace. Take care,
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