May 5, 2025 • 48 mins
Reggie Littlejohn is a graduate of Yale Law School who worked as a litigation attorney for 8 years. She is the founder and president of Women’s Rights Without Frontiers, an international coalition to expose and oppose forced abortion, gendercide, and sexual slavery in China, and to free blind activist Chen Guangcheng. She exposes how China's one child policy has led from infanticide to gendercide. Plus the impact it has on their economy and more significantly on their country's morality.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello and welcome Bill Martinez here. Great to have you
with us, sharing a part of your day. For more
information on the show, you can check it out Bill
Martinez Live dot Com. With us is Reggie little John.
Reggie is a graduate of Yel Law School, worked as
a litigation attorney for eight years. Founder and president of
Women's Rights Without Frontiers and International Coalition to Expose and
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opposed forced abortion, what we're calling gender side and sexual
slavery in China, and the free blind activist Cheng Guancheng.
She just testified before the US Congress, at the European Parliament,
British and Irish Parliament as well and brief officials at
the White House, the United States Department of State, and
the Vatican. Reggie, welcome to the show. Good to have
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you with us.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Thank you so very much for having me. Bill, it
is a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I'll tell you the topics and topics I should
say that we have to address are very important. We're
going to focus on China. China is in the news
in so many ways, and most of the time it
has to do with the economy. Of course, the tariff
war that continues, but little is said about the gender
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side and what they have done, which when you go back,
historically started with the one child policy, which has had
its it's great effect on the population decline in in China,
and of course this has caused a ton of other
cascading issues as well. And of course the one child
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policy came about in nineteen seventy nine, which ended in
twenty fifteen, and so along with that you got a
lot of unintended consequences, right.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Absolutely so, As you mentioned, I am an attorney of
graduate of VL Law School and I practice litigation for
eight years and during that time I represented a couple
of refugees from China in their cases for a political
asylum in the United States, and they were both victims
of the one Child policy in terms of forced abortion
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and also the sex and also forced sterilization. And one
of my clients had been literally picked up. She had
two kids, so she violated the one child policy and
they literally picked her up and dragged her out of
her home screaming and crying, and held her down to
a table and performed a tubal ligation, which is abdominal
surgery without anesthesia, with a massive infection, and was permanently
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disabled from that point forward. So that's when I left
the practice of law and founded Women's Rights Without Frontiers
to stop forced abortion in China under the one Child policy.
So this was, you know, in the mid two thousands.
And I don't know if you want to play our
original video it's called stop forced Abortion in China. But
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this is what was going on at the time when
I founded Women's Rights Without Frontiers. And there's one graphic
image in that video which I would just if you
don't want to see a graphic image of an aborted baby,
just close your eyes when I say, and I have
a picture of this, just keep your eyes closed for
about fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay, let's go ahead and call that up now, rebel.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm a litigation attorney and in the nineties I represented
a client who had escaped China. I represented her in
her case for political asylum in the United States, and
she had been forcibly sterilized. That was my introduction to
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the reality behind the one child policy. In fact, China's
one child policy causes more violence against women and girls
than any other official policy on Earth. I call it
China's war on women and girls. When I say forced abortion,
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I mean women are literally dragged out of their homes
or off the streets. They can be jailed in family
planning jail cells, forced to abort children that they want,
and this can happen all the way up to the
ninth month of pregnancy. Some of these forced abortions are
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so violent that the women themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Die along with their full term babies.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
One case that I'll never forget is of a young
woman who was seven months pregnant without a birth permit
so that would be an illegal pregnancy, who was walking
down the street and she was grabbed by family planning cadres,
dragged off the street, strapped down to a table, forced
to abort the baby that she very desperately wanted. And
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in the end, one of the medical personnel came to
her with a body of her aborted baby and said,
you need to pay for this so that we can
dispose of the body, and she said she didn't have
any money, so they just laid that body right next
to her in the bed, and I've got a photograph
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of her looking down and just grieving the loss of
this seven month old baby that.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Was forcibly aborted.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It does not matter whether you are a pro choice
or pro life on this issue. No one supports forced
abortion because it's not a choice, and this violence must stop.
My goal in establishing women's rights Route Frontiers is to
end forced abortion and sexual slavery in China, and to
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that end, I have testified before Congress, I've addressed the
European Parliament, brief the White House. When I started this
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several years ago, no one was talking about.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
The one child policy.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And now because of the documentation that has been generated,
two things have happened. Number One, the Chinese Communist Party
cannot deny that the one Chill policy is enforced through
forced abortion, forced civilization.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And infanticide. At Number two.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It seems that almost everybody is talking about it at
this point, has become a household issue. Stop the violence
and China's war on women. Forced abortion is not a choice.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What a powerful video forced abortion. This is the most
incredible You say that more people are aware, but we
have a long ways to go yet, because as you stated, Reggie,
I mean what has started out is infanticide has now
gone its course to become gender side. And we'll talk
about that in a moment, but I want to really
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sit on this infanticide that's been going on in China unchecked.
And I guess China is just their own protected nation
in such a way that the people are silent.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Internationally, well yeah, I mean China has infiltrated its way
into the health organization denied nations, including the United Nations
Human rights counsels, no one is. And also they have
trade relationships. You also have a debt trap diplomacy where
like in developing country and even some developed countries, they
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will finance infrastructure and then in the fine print and
infrastructure meaning a railroad, an airport, a port, but in
the fine print, what it says is if you can't
pay the loan back, we will own this infrastructure exactly.
And so that that has enabled them to get massive
infrastructure all over the world, and it keeps countries just
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silent about them, not wanting to confront them because they
don't want China to call their debts. So China is
basically unaccountable to anyone. So this when I made this video,
and this was I don't know when I made this,
like two thousand and nine or something, or maybe twenty eleven.
You know, one chill policy was just rampant. Right now,
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they've gone to a two chail policy to a three
chail policy, and I have called repeatedly for them and
any policy of coercive birth limits. You know, they are
actually desperate for having more babies. Why are they keeping
why are they saying what the current law is, which
is every couple, every married couple is allowed to have
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two children, which means that legally, under their own laws,
they can go and forcibly bored an unmarried woman or
a fourth child. And you know, as a fourth child myself,
I stand for the rights of four children to live
right but anyway, So but then when they moved to
a two child policy. In the three child policy, people
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kind of assumed that more girls would be allowed to
be born because under the one child policy, so many
couples they could only have one kid. But they really
wanted was a boy, a veil, and so then they
would you know, the Chinese, there's two different kinds of
forced abortion they're going on here. There's force abortion by
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the government and there's what I would call gender side.
I would call that forced abortion by the culture or
by the family. So with a government, if you don't
have a birth permitter, if you are out of policy,
then then they then they can forcibly bort you and
I and I think that these forced abortions have gone
down in mainland China. But I think one of the
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reasons that they want to keep that law on the
books that only every married couple is allowed to have
three children is to use it selectively against disfavored minorities
such as the wigers in Shinjong or the develops. Right, So,
I mean, I can't understand any other reason that they
are keeping that law on the books other than that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And I'm sure they could recall your permit. You may
have a permit for three children, but if they arboritrarily
decide that, uh, now we say, now today you only
have two.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You know, something that happened Bill, Yeah, okay, that happened.
That happened to the Wigers. So what happened to the
Wiggers is as a minority, they were allowed to have
three children. And then when the when China went from
a one child policy to a two child policy, they
said to the Wigers, you know, we now have a
two child policy where applying this across the board, and
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therefore you have three children. So either we're finding you
or we are going to put you in jail. And
they have, you know, like these weaker concentration camps, right,
and one of the big reasons that people are in
there is because they have three kids. And that is
another reason that the one child policy to the three
child policy. One of the reasons one of the many
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reasons that people are not wanting to have kids, especially
more kids, especially where I am in the countryside, is
that they could just reverse it. They could say, okay,
you have you know, you have three children when it
was legal. Now we're going back to two child policy.
So we're gonna you know, we're going to find you
for that third child. So that there's no trust to
the government. But what I wanted to say is that's
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the government forest abortion. The force abortion that's by the culture,
by the family, is a sex selective abortion of baby girls,
which we call gender side, which even under the two
child policy and the three child policy, is still being practiced.
So the Congressional Executive Commission on China recently came out
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with a statistic that said that for third children, there
are one hundred and thirty three boys born for every
hundred girls born in China. That means that there are
thirty three girls aboarded for every hundred girls that are
born in China. About a third of the girls who
are third children are are boarded because of their gender.
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Now that's officially, So.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What's going to happen with these boys when they grow
up and they're looking for a.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Spouse, Well, what has happened? So there's a massive gender
disparity in China and there are I mean I've heard
various estimates from thirty million to forty million or more men,
more men in China than women. And what that does
is it it creates a situation of in the in
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the countryside, they have these things called bachelor villages where
the women because they are upwardly mobile, will go to
the local town or the city to marry, so that
the men in the poor villages have no women at all.
And that is you know, that is a resume for
social unrest exactly. And then they also have sexual slavery
and human trafficking, including across international lines. But anyway, with
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respect to the gender side, you know, most people in China,
if they have a boy, a lot of them will
just say, okay, we've got our boy. We're not going
to have any more kids. Then if they say and
that happened under the one child policy, then when the
two child policy opened up, there was one couple where
they had a girl under the one child policy. Under
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the one child policy, and they figured, okay, we're one
and done. We've got a girl. Then it opened up
to a two child policy, and the husband said to
the wife, let's have a second child. Let's have a boy.
And he forced her to abort four baby girls in
a year and then she died. Well, this is the thing,
is that a lot of people who are willing to
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go to the effort and expensive having a second child
in China, they have a girl for the first child.
They want a boy. For the second child and for
a third child. You know, it's very expensive to raise
a child in China, and a lot of couples who
are willing to go to the effort and expensive having
a third child in China, it's because they have two
girls and they want a boy. And so then those
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those third third girls are very, very vulnerable in China.
So we've founded something called our Save a Girl Campaign,
and I'd like to show that video. It's about three minutes.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
According to one un estimate, they're up to two hundred
million women and girls missing in the world because of
sex selective abortion and abandonment. That number two hundred million
is greater than all the casualties of all the wars
of the twentieth century combined. So for me, this is
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the true war against women. Something that people don't realize
is that even under the new to child policy, or
even if there was no coercive birth control in China
at all, there'ld still be gender side because people, for
whatever reason, they prefer boys over girls. After the two
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child policy was instituted, there was an incident of a
woman who was whose husband forced her to abort four
baby girls in a year and then she died. Women's
Rights Without Frontiers is unique in that we are the
only organization that has a network inside of China that
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is actively saving baby girls, and we've saved hundreds of
baby girls in China. One story that was particularly meaningful
to me was of this one woman who was being
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pressured to have an ultrasound, and she dragged her feet,
finally went into the ultrasound and discovered not only did
she have one, but she was carrying two baby girls.
So even under the two child policy, she would have
used up her entire quota and both of them would
have been girls. So her mother in law started the
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pressure to her for her to abort those baby girls,
and she didn't want to. She wanted to give birth
to her daughters, and she didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Know what to do.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So fortunately our field where her found out about this
and went to her door and said, congratulations on your
twin daughters. Girls are as good as boys, and we're
not only going to offer you one, but we will
offer you two monthly stipans for a year to empower
you to keep your daughters. And with the encouragement and
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with the promise of resources, she was able to convince
her mother in law, convince her husband to allow her
to give birth to these girls. And now, of course
everybody's in love with these baby girls. They're totally adorable.
And we women's Rights without Frontiers believe that every girl
has a right to draw breath on this earth, and
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that every woman has the right to give birth to
her daughter. Girls do not deserve to be terminated just
for the crime of being female. Our field workers on
the ground in China are incredibly brave. They're flying under
the radar screen from the Chinese Communist Party, at great
risk for themselves. They go and rain sleet, snow and
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make sure that those women get that stiepan every month.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That helps them support their daughters.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And they need our help. So I would invite you
to join me in what I think is the greatest
women's rights battle of our age.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's ready, Reggie, what a powerful story. We got a
question that came in, Uh Sam asked, how do you
take care of your family if you're in jail?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Wait, well, who's you referring to?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well this was a viewer who and yeah, if you're
referring to this story, you know said that when they
come in and they arrest the families and they put
them in jail. Oh what happens to the children?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Okay, they're talking about the Wiger families. Yes, okay, Well
I'll tell you what. Sometimes only the father goes to jail,
and then you know what they have been doing. I've
heard reports. It's very hard to get information out of there.
So so they have like assigned a Han Chinese man
to live with the woman, and he's a spy. And also,
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you know, we believe that there's you know, some sexual
abuse that's going on there or whatever I.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Was going to I was going to ask that kind
of sets things up there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
For that, it totally sets it up. And if he's
spying on her and he's abusing, it's horrible. Or if
both parents go to jail, then they take the kids
and they put them in an orphanage where they learn
Chinese and they learn to forget their weaker heritage, and
they learned to think that the Chinese Commics Party is great,
so as a way of destroying the culture. And that's
why Secretary of Pompeo under the first Truve administration declared
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that the Chinese Commics Party was committing genocide against the Leigers.
So that's what happens, Reggie.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Do we have any idea, I know, even here in America,
we really don't have a proper count of how many
abortions have taken place, any idea as to the number
of abortions that have been conducted in China.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So a long time ago. This is the covid Hagen
Climate Summit. So when I say a long time ago,
I think maybe two thousand and nine. Somewhere in that timeframe,
one of the heads of the National Family Planning Association
got up in covid Hagen and said that China's contribution
to the fight against global warming was that they had
prevented four hundred million lives through the one child policy.
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Four hundred million, and that was, you know, at least
ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago. At this point,
I think it's probably closer to five hundred million at
this point, because the one child policy continued from a
number of years after that, than the two child policies.
They're stillst abortion on the two child policy. But so
I would estimate that that it would be maybe half
a billion, and not all of them were done by
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forced abortion. Some were done by forced sterilization. Like my
client was forcely forcibly sterilized. Some would have been done
by forced contraception, and that has its own set of
horror stories in it. But the way that we saved
these baby girls is you know, like I said, we
are the only organization of the world that actually has
a network of field workers. Now these are not Americans
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in China. These are people who are from the local villages,
who have earned the trust of the people and found
out when a mother is either pregnant with a girl,
or is given birth to a girl and is getting
pressured by her family to give her up, or or
what happens. We're in a farming community and I can't
say where we are. But life is tough in China
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as it is. COVID made it tougher because when COVID
hit and by the way, COVID has not gone away
completely in China the way it mostly has, I mean
in the United States is really kind of a non issue.
But every time it hits an area, then the trucks stuff,
the transportation stops, so then you know, people's people's vegetables
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rot and they can't bring them to market, and they
become very impoverished, or you would think that in China
they would have socialized medicine, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Not.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So if somebody gets sick, if then they break their leg, whatever,
they have to pay for that. If that happens to
one of these farming families, they are in a state
state of destitution, and then they get pregnant with a
girl and then pressure to give her up, like you know,
give her to another family or whatever. But the mother
doesn't want you. She wants to keep her daughter. So
we will go and we will offer her twenty five
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dollars a month for a year and usually it's more
like two or three years to empower her to keep
her daughter and to go to her husband and say, look,
I can't boy, I can't abandon this baby girl. She's
a lucky girl. She's bringing money into the family.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So that's what we do her. They see her at
that point as an asset. Reggie, help help our audience
understand why though you say, there's really no difference between
boys and girls. But yet in the culture of the
Chinese culture, boys are a little bit more significant. But
there's a cultural reason for that, right, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So, and not just in China, but also in India
and also in other countries in the world, not just China,
that there is an extreme bias towards boys because they
carry on the family name, because they will. In China, traditionally,
it's the boy that has to offer the parents to
the ancestors when they die. But then the most important
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thing is in traditional Chinese society, when a couple marries,
the young woman goes over to the young man's family
and she becomes part of his family, and they can
even end up living in the same home as his family.
So there's a saying in China that that raising a
girl is like watering somebody else's garden because all the love,
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all the care, all the education, everything you've poured into
that girl, you're gonna lose when she gets married. She's
not going to be there for you when you're old.
So then the young woman and the young man support
his parents in their old age, and that's why they
you know, that's one of the big reasons that they
that they prefer boys over girls.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So talk about leaving and cleaving, they really leave and
cleave then totally totally.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But then one of the other things that we that
I thought about in China was that not only are
the baby girls affected, but also abandoned widows. This is
something that people don't really think about. I call them
the invisible victims of the one child policy. So in
the same area that we were saving baby girls, we
have also started saving abandoned widows. And the reasons I
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call them the invisible victims of the one child policy
is that, you know, under traditional Chinese society, Number one,
the elderly were venerated no more, Okay, they're not venerated anymore,
and then they would have a large, farming family, and
so their children would then have large families.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Of their own.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
They're all farming, very large families, so that when the
original couple got old, they would have an extended family
to support them. And under the one child policy, that
doesn't that's not the case anymore. It's not just the
one child policy, it's also the migration from the countryside
to the cities that their kids are not there anymore,
and so you have these abandoned widows in the Chinese
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countryside or utterly destitute and all alone and committing suicidal.
They have a very high suicide rate among the elderly
in China, especially women in the countryside, and so we
have gone to these our field workers that are saving
baby girls are also going to these widows and going
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to the doors and saying, we understand that you need help.
So we're going to help you with twenty five dollars
a month for the rest of your life. And this
has been the difference, you know, that made a huge
difference between being able to eat every day or not
being able to heat your tiny little room during the
winter or not. So I'm wondering if we could now
play the three minute before.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
We do that, though, I do want to bring back
this point that here it's not like you're getting Usaid money.
You're not getting money from the government. You're doing this
out of your own foundations.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well, what it is is donations. I mean people donate,
you know, and this is women's art with affrontiers is
the only way in the world that you can actually
get money into the hands of a woman who with
an at risk baby girl or an abandoned widow who
has no one else to support her. So we are
absolutely unique in that way.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And it's not going through the government. This is not
erectly to the families, right.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That's right, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
So, so we have a separate account called the China Account,
and we don't take operating our operating expenses out of that.
It's all all the money goes to the babies and
the widows, and the under regie goes Okay, one hundred
percent goes to the babies, the widows, and the field
workers who are risking their freedom and their lives every
day to get the money to them, we pay them, okay,
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so so yeah, but it's one hundred percent of it
goes into China. See, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's unheard of because most foundations, I mean even the
Red Cross will hold back twenty five percent for administrative costs.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, we are actually funding this. Not only are we
not holding back money for administrative costs, but we don't
have enough money to cover the program. So we are
taking money out of our general fund and putting it
into you know, the China account to keep this program
going because we are saving lives and making a huge,
huge difference.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, I can tell Okay, let's go ahead and let's
play that third video.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Then China has the highest female suicide rate of any
country in the world, according to statistic quoted by the
State Department. Five hundred and ninety women a day kill
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themselves in China, and countless more try. China's senior suicide
rate has skyrocketed over the last twenty years in conjunction
with a one child policy. In fact, it has increased five.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Hundred percent over the last twenty years.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So there's a population of widows in China that are
utterly destitute and completely lonely. They feel that nobody in
the world cares for them, and they don't have resources.
One of the widows that we're supporting a couple days
a week, she would eat only salt because she had
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no money to buy food, and she brought herself a
rope to hang herself with someday when life got too tough.
So we have a network of field workers inside of China.
That network has been saving baby girls for years.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
But over the years, I've become.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
More and more aware of elderly and completely abandoned widows
in our area. So the same network that's saving girls
is also saving these abandoned widows. And we go to
their doors and we say to them, we understand that
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you need help, and so we're here to help you.
And they are grateful beyond any imagination for this. The
reaction for so many of them is my own family
has abandoned me, and yet people from the other side
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of the world are coming to my door to let
me know that I'm loved and then make sure that
I can eat. One of our widows said, I believe
that you were sent by God in his mercy and
that you're an angel. That's what she said to our
field worker. It doesn't take much to make an incredible
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difference to somebody in the latter years of her.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Life, and so I would invite you to join me
in having an incredibly great impact on widows in China
and hopefully in the rest of the world as well.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Reggie, we talk about saving a widow, what about widowers?
I got to imagine, you know, it covers both genders there.
And then also the second part of the question I
have for you is, I mean you mentioned earlier like
twenty five dollars goes a long way in China, So
put that in downs. First of all, just talk about
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the widowers, and then talk about the kind of funding
and how you're able to leverage it so extensively.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well, okay, in terms of widowers, because we're women's rights
without front chairs. We picked widows to go along with
baby girls.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I mean, you know, no, that makes sense, I understand that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
So and then in terms of but I.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Can say, I know your heart though. Once you see
an ailing heart, you're not looking at gender, You're looking
at the heart of humanity, right right.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well, we could consider doing that. I mean, you know,
the widowers a lot of them are not in as
bad a position as the widows because they are the
one The widows are the ones who are like raised
the family. The widower's you know, are the ones who
are out there in the fields and working, so they
have more means of support than the widows. But in
any case, I mean, I wish we had money to
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save every widow and every widower in China and in
the whole world. Anyone needs help, but we have to
we have to sort of maintain our identity as an
organization exactly rights Pavrontiers. So that's why we chose widows.
But anyway, your second question was, how do we leverage
the money? What do you mean by leverage?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, well, I'm saying I'm just saying is that the amount
of money goes a long way that people donate. I
mean you talked about twenty five dollars being able to
be utilized over an extended period of time. If I
heard you correctly, you said for a year or something
dollars a month a month, mon okay, right, right?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So what we do our system was set up by
a professional forensic accountant. And so I send money into China,
and I'm not going to say how I do it,
right obviously, and then the field worker there prints out
the bank receipts so I know that she received it.
And then she has a list of every mother of
every girl and every widow, and they have to sign
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that they have received the money, okay. And then when
all that happens, and she then she does not send
it over the internet. She snail mails it to the
person that is, you know, the go between between me
and the network and China, to someone who speaks Chinese
in English, and then we release the money for the
next month. So it's it's we have a lot of
accountability in terms of that money getting into the hands
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of the widows and the mothers of the babies.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Probably more than our government, I might say.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Oh, I'm sure more than our government. Absolutely don't need we.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Don't need to doze.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
You.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I got a question that came came in from Francis.
She says, well, didn't the government over there and not
think about these issues when they did the things that
they did, did not realize any of this, any of
this the potential consequence of their decisions.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You know something, Bill, I think they knew the consequence
of their decisions. So their own demographers have been jumping
up and down for decades to end the one shell
policy because it's not just about promoting gender side and
this gender and balance, but it's also the fact that
their population is imploding right now. They don't have enough
young people to support their elderly, They don't have enough
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young women there they now they're labor forces going down
for the first time in history has been going down,
so they're no longer you know, the sort of world
capital of cheap labor, and people are going to other countries.
So what they've done is in order to benefit themselves economically,
they've actually sort of written their own, you know, economic
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suicide notes. This this policy is completely backfart on them,
you know, which is predictable. I mean, they're trying to
play god dude, this is the thing. This is the
thing they Okay, they view women and men, they view
people and as.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Just you know, well them their commodity.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
That people are a commodity. And if they say you
can only have one child, you can sort of turn
the spigot off of child bearing and then people will
only have one child. But then if you say you
can have two childre or three children, they thought that
everybody just jump in and just automatically have two children,
three children and bring the population back up on demand
and that and people are not doing it. They're not
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doing it, and they're not doing it for a number
of reasons, you know. One is that that they've beat
beaten it into everybody's head that one one baby is best,
that people actually believe them, and now that a lot
of people want to have only one child. Another reason,
it's very expensive to have a kid in China, more
so than you would think. And then the third reason
is that like under COVID, the Chinese Communist Party was
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so abusive to the society uh a lot, especially with
the lockdowns, that there's a movement in China called the
lie down flat movement and that yeah, and what it
means is that young people are just there. They have
seen that everything that they work for, everything they tried
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to build, was just taken away during COVID with the lockdowns,
and so there's no point in putting any effort in anything.
So they're going to put the minimum effort into everything
just to survive and not really try to contribute, not
try to build, you know, a dream or anything like that,
and not try to have a kid. They don't want
to have kids, and put them into this situation which
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they regard as hopeless. So that is a condemnation of
the Chinese Commis Party if there ever was one.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well, as you said, it really is a war against God.
I mean, forget about what God said. You know, the
hubris of the government is to orchestrate or orchestrate this
culture in such a way that these people aren't This
is not their fault, this is being done to them.
But they've been conditioned to think that their government is
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their God. So you know, you go long to get
along right right.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And and the whole thing is that you know, in
traditional Chinese culture and in Christian and culture, that they
really treasured their children. They venerated their elderly for their
wisdom and for all that they had contributed, you know,
over the course of their lives. And the Chinese government
is completely materialistic modifies people like you said, So as
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soon as somebody is not producing anything, they're worthless, right right,
and and and that and well that's that's where.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You get into with the Wigers. They've been doing some
organ harvesting there and their organs because they're of halal quality,
they get more for their organs than they do for
the regular Chinese people, for example, and also the fallen Gong.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
So so this is just this is where you get
when you don't believe in in God, is that people
are just commodities. And you know, as long as you're producing,
you're okay. But you know, if your organs are worth
more than you are, you know, then then the go
for the organs. It's it's just it's horrific. It's just horrific.
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But the person, you know that I wanted to bring
up is another thing that my organization has done. This
was early on. There was an activist who was saying
that what I'm saying now, but he's doing it from
Chinese soil. So his name is Chen Guan Chen and
we he was. He was in Lindi County, and he
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and his wife very bravely documented an forced abortion and
force sterilization in Lini and came out with some horrific
statistic like they said that they thought that there's something
on two hundred ninety one thousand force abortions and sterilizations
just in their county, just just in one year, which
I if you extractolate that out over all the counties
over all over China and all the years that these
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policies are in place, you get some astronomical number of
forced abortion. But anyway, so he's been jailed. He was,
He was jailed and tortured burcilessly, and I led the
international movement to free him. So I don't know if
you want to play the little three minute video about
Chegwuan Chen, but he's the real hero in all of this.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. We've got a
little bit of time here left.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Cheguan Chen is the tank man against the one child policy.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Chen is blind, and yet it has taken a blind
man to see the truth behind the brutal one child policy.
(39:53):
Chen is the one who exposed the fact that there
were one hundred and thirty thousand forcible and four civilizations
in Lindy County, just one county in two thousand and five.
For that, he served a four year, three month jail sentence,
during which time he was beaten, tortured, and denied medical treatment.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
He nevertheless possesses the surpassing backbone to stand up against
this totalitarian regime. The Chinese counties probably perceived this as
a real threat to his crumbling legitimacy. In September of
twenty ten, he was released from prison in an extremely
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weakened physical state, but he went to a larger prison,
which is the prison of his own home. In fact,
the entire village has become like a giant prison.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
What we're trying to do, he is to get through
this man. This man has no authority.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
Believe yes, Ja ja Kandu like Jo Jagashi, where you
will finish Tom k you will brief.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Dahuoa Juno or we out here us cleary you hear.
(41:42):
After the release of this video to the West, he
and his wife were beaten senseless and left on their beds,
unable to go to the hospital. Joined in the fight
to free Timbechnai assigned the petition to send a message
to the Chinese Communist Party and ten his wife must
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be free immediately. I send a message of ten ont
in his family. Ten, we want to know you are
not forgotten. We are fighting for you, and we will
not stop until you are free.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I love that I am blind, but now I see,
and I could probably say that for our audience, before
they saw what you shared with us today, we have
been blind. And I pray that we now see what's
going on, and that our eyes are opened up to
the reality of what China is doing to babies, to
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little girls, widows. The consequent tquents of the one child policy,
which started in nineteen seventy nine, in twenty fifteen they
decided to expand it to now say you could have
you could have two children, and I think in what
twenty twenty one or twenty two they said, now you
can go to three. But three is now leading to
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what you've been telling us about gender side. So we've
gone from infanticide the gender side, all being brought to
you by central planning of the Communist Chinese government. Right, Reggie,
we got about a minute left, so I'm going to
let you summarize and remind people how they can get
involved and join with you for the cause to save
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these little girls.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Well, go to Women's Rights Without Frontiers dot org. Women's
Rights Without Frontiers dot org. There's a ten one ten
page that tell us more about the story of all
that I did and the worldwide campaign Iran to free him.
And he's now one of my best friends and he
lives near to me in Maryland, so that's unbelievable. But
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also on the upper right of the homepage you can
see a place that says save a Girl in China.
There's a red button you can click on that and
get more information about that. There's another one called Save
a Widow in China, and also another one called Save
a Widow and Uganda, which we have not had time
to discuss, but please do that. These widows and these babies,
they really really need your help and we could expand
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this if we had resources and save more babies and
more widows. So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Well, and again I want to remind everybody that one
hundred percent of their donation goes to help these little girls,
help these families, to help widows there in China who
who are suffering, and you know, if you can help out.
I pray that you would do so and be as
generous as God would lead you to be, because these
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are fellow human beings. I mean, in the universe picture
here of God's creation, these are our brothers and sisters, Reggie.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Absolutely, and so will you put the women's ours off
Frontier's link down in the show notes or maybe I
can put it right here in the chat. I don't know,
but anyway that'd be good.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Well exactly. Well, again, we cannot thank you enough for
coming on and telling us the story. This is so
important that people understand. Even some of the comments here,
people still it's hard for them to really fully get
their brain around the human abuse that's going on because
some of this defies common sense.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Right, well, it does defy common sense unless the goal
is not only to control the population, but also to
control people's minds and hearts through terror. You know the
one Chill policy that the fairly the womb police function
as domestic terrorists. So that's that's that. I believe that
that was the purpose of the policy, rights of the
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policy exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
And you would think that after all these decades they
would figure this out. But like you said, this is
this is not by accident. This is something that they've
planned that they think they know better, as we said,
better than God.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Right, the Chinese Communist Party basically believes that it's God,
and they persecute people who believe in God like the
Christian Christian faith, even on Hindus Buddhists. Anybody who believes
in a God that's above the Chinese Commist Party will
get persecuted by them because they want to occupy the
role of God in the lives of their people and
their nation.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
And of course we still get reports, Reggie that the
underground Christian Church in China is alive and well and
very vibrant.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, they say that the blood of the martyrs is
the seed of the church, and so the more they
get persecuted, the more they spread, and they just can't
they can't stop it through the persecution.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Well, Reggie Little John, as we close, remind everybody again
the websites they can go to to understand in greater
capacity what's going on and how they can partner with you.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Women's Rights without Frontiers dot org. That's Women's Rights without
Frontiers dot org.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Well, Reggie Little John, thanks again for being on the show.
We appreciate the time, take care and be blessed.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Oh yeah, you too, Thank you so much, Bill Our.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Thanks to Reggie little John. As we mentioned, she's a
graduate of l Law School. She's worked as a litigation
attorney for eight years. She's the founder and president of
Women's Rights Without Frontiers and what she shared with us,
I know is brain bruising to understand that this is
happening in twenty in the twenty first century of our world,
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and it's happening to those that are you could say,
less fortunate, those that are reliant on a government that
tells them what to do when to do it. And
let me say that what's happening in China, the way
it's being ignored, you see, maybe you might be able
to see some remnants or some aspects of Chinese culture
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and government that is creeping here even into the United
States of America. Well, that's going to be a rap
for us. I thank you for sharing a part of
your day, for being a part of the solution and
not adding to the problem. And again I could encourage
you to go to Reggie's website and do what you
can to participate and support the cause. Thank you so much.
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As I said, may God bless you and may keep you.
May His peace surround you, and may he be gracious
unto you. God bless Thank you,
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello and welcome Bill Martinez here. Great to have you
with us, sharing a part of your day. For more
information on the show, you can check it out Bill
Martinez Live dot Com. With us is Reggie little John.
Reggie is a graduate of Yel Law School, worked as
a litigation attorney for eight years. Founder and president of
Women's Rights Without Frontiers and International Coalition to Expose and
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opposed forced abortion, what we're calling gender side and sexual
slavery in China, and the free blind activist Cheng Guancheng.
She just testified before the US Congress, at the European Parliament,
British and Irish Parliament as well and brief officials at
the White House, the United States Department of State, and
the Vatican. Reggie, welcome to the show. Good to have
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you with us.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Thank you so very much for having me. Bill, it
is a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I'll tell you the topics and topics I should
say that we have to address are very important. We're
going to focus on China. China is in the news
in so many ways, and most of the time it
has to do with the economy. Of course, the tariff
war that continues, but little is said about the gender
(01:50):
side and what they have done, which when you go back,
historically started with the one child policy, which has had
its it's great effect on the population decline in in China,
and of course this has caused a ton of other
cascading issues as well. And of course the one child
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policy came about in nineteen seventy nine, which ended in
twenty fifteen, and so along with that you got a
lot of unintended consequences, right.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Absolutely so, As you mentioned, I am an attorney of
graduate of VL Law School and I practice litigation for
eight years and during that time I represented a couple
of refugees from China in their cases for a political
asylum in the United States, and they were both victims
of the one Child policy in terms of forced abortion
(02:42):
and also the sex and also forced sterilization. And one
of my clients had been literally picked up. She had
two kids, so she violated the one child policy and
they literally picked her up and dragged her out of
her home screaming and crying, and held her down to
a table and performed a tubal ligation, which is abdominal
surgery without anesthesia, with a massive infection, and was permanently
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disabled from that point forward. So that's when I left
the practice of law and founded Women's Rights Without Frontiers
to stop forced abortion in China under the one Child policy.
So this was, you know, in the mid two thousands.
And I don't know if you want to play our
original video it's called stop forced Abortion in China. But
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this is what was going on at the time when
I founded Women's Rights Without Frontiers. And there's one graphic
image in that video which I would just if you
don't want to see a graphic image of an aborted baby,
just close your eyes when I say, and I have
a picture of this, just keep your eyes closed for
about fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay, let's go ahead and call that up now, rebel.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm a litigation attorney and in the nineties I represented
a client who had escaped China. I represented her in
her case for political asylum in the United States, and
she had been forcibly sterilized. That was my introduction to
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the reality behind the one child policy. In fact, China's
one child policy causes more violence against women and girls
than any other official policy on Earth. I call it
China's war on women and girls. When I say forced abortion,
(04:50):
I mean women are literally dragged out of their homes
or off the streets. They can be jailed in family
planning jail cells, forced to abort children that they want,
and this can happen all the way up to the
ninth month of pregnancy. Some of these forced abortions are
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so violent that the women themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Die along with their full term babies.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
One case that I'll never forget is of a young
woman who was seven months pregnant without a birth permit
so that would be an illegal pregnancy, who was walking
down the street and she was grabbed by family planning cadres,
dragged off the street, strapped down to a table, forced
to abort the baby that she very desperately wanted. And
(05:39):
in the end, one of the medical personnel came to
her with a body of her aborted baby and said,
you need to pay for this so that we can
dispose of the body, and she said she didn't have
any money, so they just laid that body right next
to her in the bed, and I've got a photograph
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of her looking down and just grieving the loss of
this seven month old baby that.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Was forcibly aborted.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It does not matter whether you are a pro choice
or pro life on this issue. No one supports forced
abortion because it's not a choice, and this violence must stop.
My goal in establishing women's rights Route Frontiers is to
end forced abortion and sexual slavery in China, and to
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that end, I have testified before Congress, I've addressed the
European Parliament, brief the White House. When I started this
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several years ago, no one was talking about.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
The one child policy.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And now because of the documentation that has been generated,
two things have happened. Number One, the Chinese Communist Party
cannot deny that the one Chill policy is enforced through
forced abortion, forced civilization.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And infanticide. At Number two.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It seems that almost everybody is talking about it at
this point, has become a household issue. Stop the violence
and China's war on women. Forced abortion is not a choice.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What a powerful video forced abortion. This is the most
incredible You say that more people are aware, but we
have a long ways to go yet, because as you stated, Reggie,
I mean what has started out is infanticide has now
gone its course to become gender side. And we'll talk
about that in a moment, but I want to really
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sit on this infanticide that's been going on in China unchecked.
And I guess China is just their own protected nation
in such a way that the people are silent.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Internationally, well yeah, I mean China has infiltrated its way
into the health organization denied nations, including the United Nations
Human rights counsels, no one is. And also they have
trade relationships. You also have a debt trap diplomacy where
like in developing country and even some developed countries, they
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will finance infrastructure and then in the fine print and
infrastructure meaning a railroad, an airport, a port, but in
the fine print, what it says is if you can't
pay the loan back, we will own this infrastructure exactly.
And so that that has enabled them to get massive
infrastructure all over the world, and it keeps countries just
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silent about them, not wanting to confront them because they
don't want China to call their debts. So China is
basically unaccountable to anyone. So this when I made this video,
and this was I don't know when I made this,
like two thousand and nine or something, or maybe twenty eleven.
You know, one chill policy was just rampant. Right now,
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they've gone to a two chail policy to a three
chail policy, and I have called repeatedly for them and
any policy of coercive birth limits. You know, they are
actually desperate for having more babies. Why are they keeping
why are they saying what the current law is, which
is every couple, every married couple is allowed to have
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two children, which means that legally, under their own laws,
they can go and forcibly bored an unmarried woman or
a fourth child. And you know, as a fourth child myself,
I stand for the rights of four children to live
right but anyway, So but then when they moved to
a two child policy. In the three child policy, people
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kind of assumed that more girls would be allowed to
be born because under the one child policy, so many
couples they could only have one kid. But they really
wanted was a boy, a veil, and so then they
would you know, the Chinese, there's two different kinds of
forced abortion they're going on here. There's force abortion by
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the government and there's what I would call gender side.
I would call that forced abortion by the culture or
by the family. So with a government, if you don't
have a birth permitter, if you are out of policy,
then then they then they can forcibly bort you and
I and I think that these forced abortions have gone
down in mainland China. But I think one of the
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reasons that they want to keep that law on the
books that only every married couple is allowed to have
three children is to use it selectively against disfavored minorities
such as the wigers in Shinjong or the develops. Right, So,
I mean, I can't understand any other reason that they
are keeping that law on the books other than that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And I'm sure they could recall your permit. You may
have a permit for three children, but if they arboritrarily
decide that, uh, now we say, now today you only
have two.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You know, something that happened Bill, Yeah, okay, that happened.
That happened to the Wigers. So what happened to the
Wiggers is as a minority, they were allowed to have
three children. And then when the when China went from
a one child policy to a two child policy, they
said to the Wigers, you know, we now have a
two child policy where applying this across the board, and
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therefore you have three children. So either we're finding you
or we are going to put you in jail. And
they have, you know, like these weaker concentration camps, right,
and one of the big reasons that people are in
there is because they have three kids. And that is
another reason that the one child policy to the three
child policy. One of the reasons one of the many
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reasons that people are not wanting to have kids, especially
more kids, especially where I am in the countryside, is
that they could just reverse it. They could say, okay,
you have you know, you have three children when it
was legal. Now we're going back to two child policy.
So we're gonna you know, we're going to find you
for that third child. So that there's no trust to
the government. But what I wanted to say is that's
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the government forest abortion. The force abortion that's by the culture,
by the family, is a sex selective abortion of baby girls,
which we call gender side, which even under the two
child policy and the three child policy, is still being practiced.
So the Congressional Executive Commission on China recently came out
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with a statistic that said that for third children, there
are one hundred and thirty three boys born for every
hundred girls born in China. That means that there are
thirty three girls aboarded for every hundred girls that are
born in China. About a third of the girls who
are third children are are boarded because of their gender.
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Now that's officially, So.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What's going to happen with these boys when they grow
up and they're looking for a.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Spouse, Well, what has happened? So there's a massive gender
disparity in China and there are I mean I've heard
various estimates from thirty million to forty million or more men,
more men in China than women. And what that does
is it it creates a situation of in the in
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the countryside, they have these things called bachelor villages where
the women because they are upwardly mobile, will go to
the local town or the city to marry, so that
the men in the poor villages have no women at all.
And that is you know, that is a resume for
social unrest exactly. And then they also have sexual slavery
and human trafficking, including across international lines. But anyway, with
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respect to the gender side, you know, most people in China,
if they have a boy, a lot of them will
just say, okay, we've got our boy. We're not going
to have any more kids. Then if they say and
that happened under the one child policy, then when the
two child policy opened up, there was one couple where
they had a girl under the one child policy. Under
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the one child policy, and they figured, okay, we're one
and done. We've got a girl. Then it opened up
to a two child policy, and the husband said to
the wife, let's have a second child. Let's have a boy.
And he forced her to abort four baby girls in
a year and then she died. Well, this is the thing,
is that a lot of people who are willing to
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go to the effort and expensive having a second child
in China, they have a girl for the first child.
They want a boy. For the second child and for
a third child. You know, it's very expensive to raise
a child in China, and a lot of couples who
are willing to go to the effort and expensive having
a third child in China, it's because they have two
girls and they want a boy. And so then those
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those third third girls are very, very vulnerable in China.
So we've founded something called our Save a Girl Campaign,
and I'd like to show that video. It's about three minutes.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
According to one un estimate, they're up to two hundred
million women and girls missing in the world because of
sex selective abortion and abandonment. That number two hundred million
is greater than all the casualties of all the wars
of the twentieth century combined. So for me, this is
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the true war against women. Something that people don't realize
is that even under the new to child policy, or
even if there was no coercive birth control in China
at all, there'ld still be gender side because people, for
whatever reason, they prefer boys over girls. After the two
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child policy was instituted, there was an incident of a
woman who was whose husband forced her to abort four
baby girls in a year and then she died. Women's
Rights Without Frontiers is unique in that we are the
only organization that has a network inside of China that
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is actively saving baby girls, and we've saved hundreds of
baby girls in China. One story that was particularly meaningful
to me was of this one woman who was being
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pressured to have an ultrasound, and she dragged her feet,
finally went into the ultrasound and discovered not only did
she have one, but she was carrying two baby girls.
So even under the two child policy, she would have
used up her entire quota and both of them would
have been girls. So her mother in law started the
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pressure to her for her to abort those baby girls,
and she didn't want to. She wanted to give birth
to her daughters, and she didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Know what to do.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So fortunately our field where her found out about this
and went to her door and said, congratulations on your
twin daughters. Girls are as good as boys, and we're
not only going to offer you one, but we will
offer you two monthly stipans for a year to empower
you to keep your daughters. And with the encouragement and
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with the promise of resources, she was able to convince
her mother in law, convince her husband to allow her
to give birth to these girls. And now, of course
everybody's in love with these baby girls. They're totally adorable.
And we women's Rights without Frontiers believe that every girl
has a right to draw breath on this earth, and
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that every woman has the right to give birth to
her daughter. Girls do not deserve to be terminated just
for the crime of being female. Our field workers on
the ground in China are incredibly brave. They're flying under
the radar screen from the Chinese Communist Party, at great
risk for themselves. They go and rain sleet, snow and
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make sure that those women get that stiepan every month.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That helps them support their daughters.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And they need our help. So I would invite you
to join me in what I think is the greatest
women's rights battle of our age.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's ready, Reggie, what a powerful story. We got a
question that came in, Uh Sam asked, how do you
take care of your family if you're in jail?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Wait, well, who's you referring to?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well this was a viewer who and yeah, if you're
referring to this story, you know said that when they
come in and they arrest the families and they put
them in jail. Oh what happens to the children?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Okay, they're talking about the Wiger families. Yes, okay, Well
I'll tell you what. Sometimes only the father goes to jail,
and then you know what they have been doing. I've
heard reports. It's very hard to get information out of there.
So so they have like assigned a Han Chinese man
to live with the woman, and he's a spy. And also,
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you know, we believe that there's you know, some sexual
abuse that's going on there or whatever I.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Was going to I was going to ask that kind
of sets things up there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
For that, it totally sets it up. And if he's
spying on her and he's abusing, it's horrible. Or if
both parents go to jail, then they take the kids
and they put them in an orphanage where they learn
Chinese and they learn to forget their weaker heritage, and
they learned to think that the Chinese Commics Party is great,
so as a way of destroying the culture. And that's
why Secretary of Pompeo under the first Truve administration declared
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that the Chinese Commics Party was committing genocide against the Leigers.
So that's what happens, Reggie.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Do we have any idea, I know, even here in America,
we really don't have a proper count of how many
abortions have taken place, any idea as to the number
of abortions that have been conducted in China.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So a long time ago. This is the covid Hagen
Climate Summit. So when I say a long time ago,
I think maybe two thousand and nine. Somewhere in that timeframe,
one of the heads of the National Family Planning Association
got up in covid Hagen and said that China's contribution
to the fight against global warming was that they had
prevented four hundred million lives through the one child policy.
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Four hundred million, and that was, you know, at least
ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago. At this point,
I think it's probably closer to five hundred million at
this point, because the one child policy continued from a
number of years after that, than the two child policies.
They're stillst abortion on the two child policy. But so
I would estimate that that it would be maybe half
a billion, and not all of them were done by
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forced abortion. Some were done by forced sterilization. Like my
client was forcely forcibly sterilized. Some would have been done
by forced contraception, and that has its own set of
horror stories in it. But the way that we saved
these baby girls is you know, like I said, we
are the only organization of the world that actually has
a network of field workers. Now these are not Americans
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in China. These are people who are from the local villages,
who have earned the trust of the people and found
out when a mother is either pregnant with a girl,
or is given birth to a girl and is getting
pressured by her family to give her up, or or
what happens. We're in a farming community and I can't
say where we are. But life is tough in China
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as it is. COVID made it tougher because when COVID
hit and by the way, COVID has not gone away
completely in China the way it mostly has, I mean
in the United States is really kind of a non issue.
But every time it hits an area, then the trucks stuff,
the transportation stops, so then you know, people's people's vegetables
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rot and they can't bring them to market, and they
become very impoverished, or you would think that in China
they would have socialized medicine, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Not.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So if somebody gets sick, if then they break their leg, whatever,
they have to pay for that. If that happens to
one of these farming families, they are in a state
state of destitution, and then they get pregnant with a
girl and then pressure to give her up, like you know,
give her to another family or whatever. But the mother
doesn't want you. She wants to keep her daughter. So
we will go and we will offer her twenty five
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dollars a month for a year and usually it's more
like two or three years to empower her to keep
her daughter and to go to her husband and say, look,
I can't boy, I can't abandon this baby girl. She's
a lucky girl. She's bringing money into the family.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So that's what we do her. They see her at
that point as an asset. Reggie, help help our audience
understand why though you say, there's really no difference between
boys and girls. But yet in the culture of the
Chinese culture, boys are a little bit more significant. But
there's a cultural reason for that, right, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So, and not just in China, but also in India
and also in other countries in the world, not just China,
that there is an extreme bias towards boys because they
carry on the family name, because they will. In China, traditionally,
it's the boy that has to offer the parents to
the ancestors when they die. But then the most important
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thing is in traditional Chinese society, when a couple marries,
the young woman goes over to the young man's family
and she becomes part of his family, and they can
even end up living in the same home as his family.
So there's a saying in China that that raising a
girl is like watering somebody else's garden because all the love,
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all the care, all the education, everything you've poured into
that girl, you're gonna lose when she gets married. She's
not going to be there for you when you're old.
So then the young woman and the young man support
his parents in their old age, and that's why they
you know, that's one of the big reasons that they
that they prefer boys over girls.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So talk about leaving and cleaving, they really leave and
cleave then totally totally.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But then one of the other things that we that
I thought about in China was that not only are
the baby girls affected, but also abandoned widows. This is
something that people don't really think about. I call them
the invisible victims of the one child policy. So in
the same area that we were saving baby girls, we
have also started saving abandoned widows. And the reasons I
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call them the invisible victims of the one child policy
is that, you know, under traditional Chinese society, Number one,
the elderly were venerated no more, Okay, they're not venerated anymore,
and then they would have a large, farming family, and
so their children would then have large families.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Of their own.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
They're all farming, very large families, so that when the
original couple got old, they would have an extended family
to support them. And under the one child policy, that
doesn't that's not the case anymore. It's not just the
one child policy, it's also the migration from the countryside
to the cities that their kids are not there anymore,
and so you have these abandoned widows in the Chinese
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countryside or utterly destitute and all alone and committing suicidal.
They have a very high suicide rate among the elderly
in China, especially women in the countryside, and so we
have gone to these our field workers that are saving
baby girls are also going to these widows and going
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to the doors and saying, we understand that you need help.
So we're going to help you with twenty five dollars
a month for the rest of your life. And this
has been the difference, you know, that made a huge
difference between being able to eat every day or not
being able to heat your tiny little room during the
winter or not. So I'm wondering if we could now
play the three minute before.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
We do that, though, I do want to bring back
this point that here it's not like you're getting Usaid money.
You're not getting money from the government. You're doing this
out of your own foundations.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well, what it is is donations. I mean people donate,
you know, and this is women's art with affrontiers is
the only way in the world that you can actually
get money into the hands of a woman who with
an at risk baby girl or an abandoned widow who
has no one else to support her. So we are
absolutely unique in that way.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And it's not going through the government. This is not
erectly to the families, right.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That's right, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
So, so we have a separate account called the China Account,
and we don't take operating our operating expenses out of that.
It's all all the money goes to the babies and
the widows, and the under regie goes Okay, one hundred
percent goes to the babies, the widows, and the field
workers who are risking their freedom and their lives every
day to get the money to them, we pay them, okay,
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so so yeah, but it's one hundred percent of it
goes into China. See, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's unheard of because most foundations, I mean even the
Red Cross will hold back twenty five percent for administrative costs.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, we are actually funding this. Not only are we
not holding back money for administrative costs, but we don't
have enough money to cover the program. So we are
taking money out of our general fund and putting it
into you know, the China account to keep this program
going because we are saving lives and making a huge,
huge difference.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, I can tell Okay, let's go ahead and let's
play that third video.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Then China has the highest female suicide rate of any
country in the world, according to statistic quoted by the
State Department. Five hundred and ninety women a day kill
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themselves in China, and countless more try. China's senior suicide
rate has skyrocketed over the last twenty years in conjunction
with a one child policy. In fact, it has increased five.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Hundred percent over the last twenty years.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So there's a population of widows in China that are
utterly destitute and completely lonely. They feel that nobody in
the world cares for them, and they don't have resources.
One of the widows that we're supporting a couple days
a week, she would eat only salt because she had
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no money to buy food, and she brought herself a
rope to hang herself with someday when life got too tough.
So we have a network of field workers inside of China.
That network has been saving baby girls for years.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
But over the years, I've become.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
More and more aware of elderly and completely abandoned widows
in our area. So the same network that's saving girls
is also saving these abandoned widows. And we go to
their doors and we say to them, we understand that
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you need help, and so we're here to help you.
And they are grateful beyond any imagination for this. The
reaction for so many of them is my own family
has abandoned me, and yet people from the other side
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of the world are coming to my door to let
me know that I'm loved and then make sure that
I can eat. One of our widows said, I believe
that you were sent by God in his mercy and
that you're an angel. That's what she said to our
field worker. It doesn't take much to make an incredible
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difference to somebody in the latter years of her.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Life, and so I would invite you to join me
in having an incredibly great impact on widows in China
and hopefully in the rest of the world as well.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Reggie, we talk about saving a widow, what about widowers?
I got to imagine, you know, it covers both genders there.
And then also the second part of the question I
have for you is, I mean you mentioned earlier like
twenty five dollars goes a long way in China, So
put that in downs. First of all, just talk about
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the widowers, and then talk about the kind of funding
and how you're able to leverage it so extensively.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well, okay, in terms of widowers, because we're women's rights
without front chairs. We picked widows to go along with
baby girls.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I mean, you know, no, that makes sense, I understand that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
So and then in terms of but I.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Can say, I know your heart though. Once you see
an ailing heart, you're not looking at gender, You're looking
at the heart of humanity, right right.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well, we could consider doing that. I mean, you know,
the widowers a lot of them are not in as
bad a position as the widows because they are the
one The widows are the ones who are like raised
the family. The widower's you know, are the ones who
are out there in the fields and working, so they
have more means of support than the widows. But in
any case, I mean, I wish we had money to
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save every widow and every widower in China and in
the whole world. Anyone needs help, but we have to
we have to sort of maintain our identity as an
organization exactly rights Pavrontiers. So that's why we chose widows.
But anyway, your second question was, how do we leverage
the money? What do you mean by leverage?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, well, I'm saying I'm just saying is that the amount
of money goes a long way that people donate. I
mean you talked about twenty five dollars being able to
be utilized over an extended period of time. If I
heard you correctly, you said for a year or something
dollars a month a month, mon okay, right, right?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So what we do our system was set up by
a professional forensic accountant. And so I send money into China,
and I'm not going to say how I do it,
right obviously, and then the field worker there prints out
the bank receipts so I know that she received it.
And then she has a list of every mother of
every girl and every widow, and they have to sign
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that they have received the money, okay. And then when
all that happens, and she then she does not send
it over the internet. She snail mails it to the
person that is, you know, the go between between me
and the network and China, to someone who speaks Chinese
in English, and then we release the money for the
next month. So it's it's we have a lot of
accountability in terms of that money getting into the hands
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of the widows and the mothers of the babies.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Probably more than our government, I might say.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Oh, I'm sure more than our government. Absolutely don't need we.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Don't need to doze.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
You.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I got a question that came came in from Francis.
She says, well, didn't the government over there and not
think about these issues when they did the things that
they did, did not realize any of this, any of
this the potential consequence of their decisions.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You know something, Bill, I think they knew the consequence
of their decisions. So their own demographers have been jumping
up and down for decades to end the one shell
policy because it's not just about promoting gender side and
this gender and balance, but it's also the fact that
their population is imploding right now. They don't have enough
young people to support their elderly, They don't have enough
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young women there they now they're labor forces going down
for the first time in history has been going down,
so they're no longer you know, the sort of world
capital of cheap labor, and people are going to other countries.
So what they've done is in order to benefit themselves economically,
they've actually sort of written their own, you know, economic
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suicide notes. This this policy is completely backfart on them,
you know, which is predictable. I mean, they're trying to
play god dude, this is the thing. This is the
thing they Okay, they view women and men, they view
people and as.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Just you know, well them their commodity.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
That people are a commodity. And if they say you
can only have one child, you can sort of turn
the spigot off of child bearing and then people will
only have one child. But then if you say you
can have two childre or three children, they thought that
everybody just jump in and just automatically have two children,
three children and bring the population back up on demand
and that and people are not doing it. They're not
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doing it, and they're not doing it for a number
of reasons, you know. One is that that they've beat
beaten it into everybody's head that one one baby is best,
that people actually believe them, and now that a lot
of people want to have only one child. Another reason,
it's very expensive to have a kid in China, more
so than you would think. And then the third reason
is that like under COVID, the Chinese Communist Party was
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so abusive to the society uh a lot, especially with
the lockdowns, that there's a movement in China called the
lie down flat movement and that yeah, and what it
means is that young people are just there. They have
seen that everything that they work for, everything they tried
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to build, was just taken away during COVID with the lockdowns,
and so there's no point in putting any effort in anything.
So they're going to put the minimum effort into everything
just to survive and not really try to contribute, not
try to build, you know, a dream or anything like that,
and not try to have a kid. They don't want
to have kids, and put them into this situation which
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they regard as hopeless. So that is a condemnation of
the Chinese Commis Party if there ever was one.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well, as you said, it really is a war against God.
I mean, forget about what God said. You know, the
hubris of the government is to orchestrate or orchestrate this
culture in such a way that these people aren't This
is not their fault, this is being done to them.
But they've been conditioned to think that their government is
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their God. So you know, you go long to get
along right right.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And and the whole thing is that you know, in
traditional Chinese culture and in Christian and culture, that they
really treasured their children. They venerated their elderly for their
wisdom and for all that they had contributed, you know,
over the course of their lives. And the Chinese government
is completely materialistic modifies people like you said, So as
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soon as somebody is not producing anything, they're worthless, right right,
and and and that and well that's that's where.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You get into with the Wigers. They've been doing some
organ harvesting there and their organs because they're of halal quality,
they get more for their organs than they do for
the regular Chinese people, for example, and also the fallen Gong.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
So so this is just this is where you get
when you don't believe in in God, is that people
are just commodities. And you know, as long as you're producing,
you're okay. But you know, if your organs are worth
more than you are, you know, then then the go
for the organs. It's it's just it's horrific. It's just horrific.
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But the person, you know that I wanted to bring
up is another thing that my organization has done. This
was early on. There was an activist who was saying
that what I'm saying now, but he's doing it from
Chinese soil. So his name is Chen Guan Chen and
we he was. He was in Lindi County, and he
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and his wife very bravely documented an forced abortion and
force sterilization in Lini and came out with some horrific
statistic like they said that they thought that there's something
on two hundred ninety one thousand force abortions and sterilizations
just in their county, just just in one year, which
I if you extractolate that out over all the counties
over all over China and all the years that these
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policies are in place, you get some astronomical number of
forced abortion. But anyway, so he's been jailed. He was,
He was jailed and tortured burcilessly, and I led the
international movement to free him. So I don't know if
you want to play the little three minute video about
Chegwuan Chen, but he's the real hero in all of this.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. We've got a
little bit of time here left.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Cheguan Chen is the tank man against the one child policy.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Chen is blind, and yet it has taken a blind
man to see the truth behind the brutal one child policy.
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Chen is the one who exposed the fact that there
were one hundred and thirty thousand forcible and four civilizations
in Lindy County, just one county in two thousand and five.
For that, he served a four year, three month jail sentence,
during which time he was beaten, tortured, and denied medical treatment.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
He nevertheless possesses the surpassing backbone to stand up against
this totalitarian regime. The Chinese counties probably perceived this as
a real threat to his crumbling legitimacy. In September of
twenty ten, he was released from prison in an extremely
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weakened physical state, but he went to a larger prison,
which is the prison of his own home. In fact,
the entire village has become like a giant prison.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
What we're trying to do, he is to get through
this man. This man has no authority.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
Believe yes, Ja ja Kandu like Jo Jagashi, where you
will finish Tom k you will brief.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Dahuoa Juno or we out here us cleary you hear.
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After the release of this video to the West, he
and his wife were beaten senseless and left on their beds,
unable to go to the hospital. Joined in the fight
to free Timbechnai assigned the petition to send a message
to the Chinese Communist Party and ten his wife must
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be free immediately. I send a message of ten ont
in his family. Ten, we want to know you are
not forgotten. We are fighting for you, and we will
not stop until you are free.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I love that I am blind, but now I see,
and I could probably say that for our audience, before
they saw what you shared with us today, we have
been blind. And I pray that we now see what's
going on, and that our eyes are opened up to
the reality of what China is doing to babies, to
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little girls, widows. The consequent tquents of the one child policy,
which started in nineteen seventy nine, in twenty fifteen they
decided to expand it to now say you could have
you could have two children, and I think in what
twenty twenty one or twenty two they said, now you
can go to three. But three is now leading to
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what you've been telling us about gender side. So we've
gone from infanticide the gender side, all being brought to
you by central planning of the Communist Chinese government. Right, Reggie,
we got about a minute left, so I'm going to
let you summarize and remind people how they can get
involved and join with you for the cause to save
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these little girls.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Well, go to Women's Rights Without Frontiers dot org. Women's
Rights Without Frontiers dot org. There's a ten one ten
page that tell us more about the story of all
that I did and the worldwide campaign Iran to free him.
And he's now one of my best friends and he
lives near to me in Maryland, so that's unbelievable. But
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also on the upper right of the homepage you can
see a place that says save a Girl in China.
There's a red button you can click on that and
get more information about that. There's another one called Save
a Widow in China, and also another one called Save
a Widow and Uganda, which we have not had time
to discuss, but please do that. These widows and these babies,
they really really need your help and we could expand
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this if we had resources and save more babies and
more widows. So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Well, and again I want to remind everybody that one
hundred percent of their donation goes to help these little girls,
help these families, to help widows there in China who
who are suffering, and you know, if you can help out.
I pray that you would do so and be as
generous as God would lead you to be, because these
(44:56):
are fellow human beings. I mean, in the universe picture
here of God's creation, these are our brothers and sisters, Reggie.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Absolutely, and so will you put the women's ours off
Frontier's link down in the show notes or maybe I
can put it right here in the chat. I don't know,
but anyway that'd be good.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Well exactly. Well, again, we cannot thank you enough for
coming on and telling us the story. This is so
important that people understand. Even some of the comments here,
people still it's hard for them to really fully get
their brain around the human abuse that's going on because
some of this defies common sense.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Right, well, it does defy common sense unless the goal
is not only to control the population, but also to
control people's minds and hearts through terror. You know the
one Chill policy that the fairly the womb police function
as domestic terrorists. So that's that's that. I believe that
that was the purpose of the policy, rights of the
(46:01):
policy exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
And you would think that after all these decades they
would figure this out. But like you said, this is
this is not by accident. This is something that they've
planned that they think they know better, as we said,
better than God.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Right, the Chinese Communist Party basically believes that it's God,
and they persecute people who believe in God like the
Christian Christian faith, even on Hindus Buddhists. Anybody who believes
in a God that's above the Chinese Commist Party will
get persecuted by them because they want to occupy the
role of God in the lives of their people and
their nation.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
And of course we still get reports, Reggie that the
underground Christian Church in China is alive and well and
very vibrant.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, they say that the blood of the martyrs is
the seed of the church, and so the more they
get persecuted, the more they spread, and they just can't
they can't stop it through the persecution.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Well, Reggie Little John, as we close, remind everybody again
the websites they can go to to understand in greater
capacity what's going on and how they can partner with you.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Women's Rights without Frontiers dot org. That's Women's Rights without
Frontiers dot org.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Well, Reggie Little John, thanks again for being on the show.
We appreciate the time, take care and be blessed.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Oh yeah, you too, Thank you so much, Bill Our.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Thanks to Reggie little John. As we mentioned, she's a
graduate of l Law School. She's worked as a litigation
attorney for eight years. She's the founder and president of
Women's Rights Without Frontiers and what she shared with us,
I know is brain bruising to understand that this is
happening in twenty in the twenty first century of our world,
(47:39):
and it's happening to those that are you could say,
less fortunate, those that are reliant on a government that
tells them what to do when to do it. And
let me say that what's happening in China, the way
it's being ignored, you see, maybe you might be able
to see some remnants or some aspects of Chinese culture
(48:03):
and government that is creeping here even into the United
States of America. Well, that's going to be a rap
for us. I thank you for sharing a part of
your day, for being a part of the solution and
not adding to the problem. And again I could encourage
you to go to Reggie's website and do what you
can to participate and support the cause. Thank you so much.
(48:25):
As I said, may God bless you and may keep you.
May His peace surround you, and may he be gracious
unto you. God bless Thank you,
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