Buffalo Bills Big Win, Table-Jumping Origins & The Workplace Morality Debate

After the Buffalo Bills defeat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 44–32, Bill welcomes Dan back to the studio—victory feels good, but Dan still isn’t convinced this team is out of the woods. The guys break down the highs and lows of the game, from Josh Allen’s MVP-level flashes to the shaky defensive moments that keep Dan’s optimism in check. They also tackle the benching of Keon Coleman after missing a team meeting, exploring whether this moment could become a turning point for the Bills’ season.

Bill shares a hilarious ESPN feature on the true origin story of Bills fans jumping through folding tables at tailgates. The claims, the bragging rights, the date-stamped “proof”—Bill and Dan dig into why people crave originality, even when the act is as ridiculous as body-slamming a $40 Costco table. From “Who yelled ‘Free Bird!’ first?” to the inventor of “the wave,” the conversation turns into a fun, thoughtful discussion about identity, legacy, and why Bills Mafia remains one of sports’ most passionate, ritual-driven fan bases.

The episode then shifts gears to a hot-button workplace debate sparked by a recent Diary of a CEO interview with Cardone Ventures cofounder Natalie Dawson, who once fired employees for cheating on their partners. Bill and Dan explore the emerging cultural and legal gray zone of off-duty conduct, morality clauses, and whether personal infidelity predicts professional dishonesty. Does this type of employer scrutiny inspire better behavior—or just better hiding?

And just when you think the episode can’t get more surprising, Bill dives into the wild story of two New Jersey moms charged with racketeering for allegedly helping run a $2 million mafia-linked illegal online sports betting ring. In a world where legal sports betting is everywhere—from apps to celebrity endorsements—how does an illicit gambling operation still thrive? Bill wonders whether the masterminds, whoever they are, might actually be brilliant operators in the wrong industry.

Mixing football, psychology, ethics, and true-crime intrigue, this episode of Billified brings laughs, deep questions, and the kind of conversation only Billified can deliver.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pun on.
Thank you for telling a friend. That's how we spread
the word. As the Bills beat the Tampaay Tampa Bay,
excuse me, Buccaneers forty four to thirty two. I'll take it.
I will take it, Daniel, Oh.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Everybody would take it. Everybody will take it. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I mean a little scary in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Scary for three quarters, scary over three and a half quarters.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, i'll tell you this. You say scary, I say entertaining.
That's entertaining. And I will also add this in there.
Baker Mayfield is a baller.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh he is.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
He is a baller.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I would argue that for three quarters he looked more
like Josh Allen than Josh Allen did, and Josh Allen
joshus Josh, for three quarters looked like every version of
Josh Allen you've seen. Yes, yes, yes, I agree, Rookie
Josh twenty nineteen, Josh twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Every version of Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yep uh no Keon Coleman in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Now cover one broke that last night.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Missed a meeting on Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
He's late.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
He was after her.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I said he was late for the meeting. So that's
to clear that up.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, too much of a pondment, punishment a motivator for
this guy. Could he actually be injured? I would love
to know how you feel about this.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I think it was a smart move.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
I had no issues with it whatsoever, because this dude
has gotten more chances. Sean McDermott takes his time with
young players. What I mean by that is they don't
jump into the starting lineup. They've oftened sat. I mean
Ajan Panessa was one of the first guys who sat.
Bookie Masham sat, and he eventually never never really stuck.
Kyri Elam sat, he never stuck. Some guys get it,

(02:11):
some guys don't, and Kean Coleman is one of these
guys who didn't, has never quite gotten it, but yet
plays more than anybody aside from Allen in the offensive linement.
If all the skilled position players meaning guys who catch
the or run the ball. He plays more than anybody,
and finally they'd had enough. McDermott was even asked about
this last week. He goes, he knows when I'm upset

(02:33):
with him, he knows when I expect more out of him.
And then so, okay, you've already had that warning shot
you've been a disappointment.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, you guys have talked about when Peter's on and
we'll have him back on on when we tape on Wednesday.
You think he's dogging it when he's not involved in
the play, if he knows he's the fourth like she's
not the top option or the top three options obviously,
could this be part of that?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they've given him every chance
of finally, like you have to send a message if
the guy is going.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
To be called out in media and that is late.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
For another meeting. He was ready to play.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
They were gonna play him, they were gonna start him
like normal, and then he decided, no, O, can't.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
We got to send it?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Do we know, like, is this a pattern with him?
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Sounds like it, And if it is, then.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
What I'm thinking something that you go, boy, this seems
like a severe punishment for a guy. I don't think
so right away, and I thought, yeah, I gotta think
there's more to it.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
This is a dude who against New England sat out
the first quarter or at the first drive.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Why was he?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Why wasn't he out there? Because he missed the team meeting.
It's taken to what week eleven?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:42):
To sit him is showing that Sean McDermott must have
the patience.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Of a monument.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, look, finally he's like enough. The big knock on
the Bills right now is that their receiving corps is depleted. Yeah,
but today, I mean, did you see who was out
there today? Yeah? And and you know it was the
best receiver.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
No, it wasn't at all.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It was Tyrrell Shaver. I did mean to say Shaver. H.
But here's the thing, why not stick with that receiving corps?
Why not just that Thursday night? Yeah? If I not
go with those guys, I.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Would stick with this lineup. Hey, hey, can you get
the message yet? I want to make sure you got
the message?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yes, Because they're already working.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
On the Houston game as soon as gets wrapped up.
They're working out Houston like there's nobody going to bed.
They're in practice tomorrow installing. The coaches are not going
to leave the stadium.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
These guys have to do adderall, don't you think, Dan,
I mean, they do a lot of stuff, don't you
think in some way?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, there's a I don't want to get into that.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
God, go down it, go down that path, because I
see do you remember when Sean Payton was suspended for
a year for the bounty gates? Do you remember? And
I also know that Sean Payton has a propensity for
young girls. He was Oh yeah, I got some inside
scoop on Oh really, I was going to ask you.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Last I don't like Sean Payton.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
No, I know a lot of people. He's not a
good he's smarmy, he's smart.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
He's a douchebag. And we could call it what it is,
he's a douchebag.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I say smarty, you say douchebag. Probably synonymous, I
would say, are synonyms. He was in a bar with
two nineteen year old girls, and he's married, by the way, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
And I have a friend who was part of that.
So no, hang on a second, No, he was aware

(05:24):
of the situation, was aware of that. He was in
the neighborhood. He was particulars He's not going to be
in the follow me. God, where was I before this?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Were you at thirstyes tonight or our friend Dave? Okay? Alright, well, okay,
sou that.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Bounty gate situation where Greg Williams got suspended for your
doesn't even appear. Former head coach of the Buffalo Bill
If I said the name James o'keefeld, you know who
I'm talking about Project verretas. He was the founder of
Project Veritas now O'Keefe Media Group or o MG. He
said at one point that that really wasn't a bounty
Gate suspension. It was actually something else. They had to

(06:02):
so they had evidence of bout it. So everybody involved
got suspended, but it wasn't for what they said it was. Yes,
he did, but it was something else. I'm not going
to go too far down the rabbit. How do you
know because he tweeted it out?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Did you say what? Did he say what it was?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
He said? It may have been a prescription pill.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh, that makes total sense. So the NFL you can't
have That's total sense. It makes total sense. But but
look at this, what is the painkillers? Something like, what
is the average age of a head coach in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Average forty something, mid forties.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay, mid forties. You start like you don't have that
same energy, you don't have that same passion. I'm not
saying that the adrenaline doesn't. I'm not saying these guys
aren't slightly built different or wired differently, but it does
start to deplete. There has to be some kind of
stimulant going on. Oh dude, that allows them. And I'm

(06:56):
not saying it's illegal cocaine, but it may be one
of my favorite things in life these days.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
All Oh, yeah, could be. I'm sure there is.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Let me say it, Adaall.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I talk to you doctor about Anama.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, it's good. But you feel good about the wind,
You feel good going into this game coming up? Theirs
don't why Jesus Christ always know what are the Jesus
into this for? Jesus should be smacking you, going, Dan,
wake up? I got you.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Do you realize what the play of the game was?
There was a series of three plays.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I thought Josh at moments was spectacular.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Player of the game was a third and two cam
Lewis comes up and breaks up a first down it
would be first down, and the Bucks are on their
side of the field, and they decide to punt. Yes,
that's called a surrender punt. Yes, instead of like there's
like seven minutes, like are you serious? Because you're down
right now. The Bills go back down the.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Field and score.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
But they score because because Shakira on a third down,
the Bills are only up four at this or five
at this point, right, so a field goal puts you
up eight, but you still have to make the field
goal or score touchdown. It's third down, and they throw
that stupid pass that we made fun of with Peter
last week, the behind the line of scrimmage throwing security
gets nailed.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
But what happens Parrish, who had a heck of the game.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Today, pulls him down by his ear hole and they
throw the fifteen yard flag and they should they yeah,
but that but the point was they got bailed out
by the Bucks.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, that's how they won the game, Tampa Bay. Actually,
do you realize how about some other things that were
really really good? Oh like what Tucker?

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Tucker scored two touchdowns, had five point six yards per carry, set.
White had five point one yards per cauri in Baker
Mayfield at seven point eight yards for Caury. He's not
known to run the ball. He's a quarterback. He's a
throwd quarterback. He's not Josh Allen. They can't stop Joey
Bostall looked terrible stop of the run today.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
He had an oblaque injury and a knee injury.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Baker, Yeah, and he still managed to uh look like Josh.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Allen at times. Look, they won, they won.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, I'm happy that they won.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Their seven and three.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
They almost gave it right back to him.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well almost, but it didn't happen. It didn't happen yet
for a couple of fumbles that should have never have happened.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Bills turned the ball over today more than.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
The entire season, the entire season, or maybe the entire.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Josh miss throws. I mean, I'm a two point conversion again. Yeah,
but as through the ball in the stands, he's wide open.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I'm going, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Trying to talk to this water and it ends up
at the Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
But there's one that one drive they had. I thought
the wind participated in a couple of this.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
When you draft the Josh thrown well.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But it's still who knows. I mean, I I who knows?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
I mean, I mean, I'm not going to kill him
for the one pass to uh who was it in
the first half that he just missed him.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I think he may have been Hardman. He he went
for the bomb. He Josh like, I got this new toy.
I'm gonna check it out, and.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
I don't blame him, and he almost hit Hardman in
the hands. Yeah, I can't kill you for that. I'm
talking about the ones where bro like like like what's
his name, Palmer's down like first down territory.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
You just gotta flip them the ball and you miss
him by like feet.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I thought that. I thought he maybe Palmer didn't
the one. I thought there was a miscommunication somewhere, like
Josh signaled, hey, go like he could.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Have, but then he would have directed and write into
Dawson knock.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
I don't know, I don't know there was There's like
three times when Dawson Knox was was totally out of
position today, but he.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Got his one catch, so he gets the good.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Uh. Meanwhile, well, who do you watch on when you
come home from church on a Sunday morning, What do
you put on your television?

Speaker 4 (10:31):
I know where you're going with this, but well, today
I turned on the Dolphins Washington game. But then after
that I flipped to where the Bills would be on,
which was CBS okay, and I got to see Bill
Cowering Company riding a mechanical bull outside.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I didn't see any of that. Oh my gosh, I
didn't see any of that. It's terrible, I.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Said, throwing footballs at him. I didn't get the concept
of it.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I have been without ESPN for a while now because YouTube,
uh no, because I had Sling and I decided to
cancel Sling, and then the season started, and I've been
just I'm buried with stuff. Right, So I finally I
had a I had Disney an ESPN Plus, which sucks.

(11:11):
I don't want an ESPN Plus I want.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
To because ESPN Plus doesn't give you it's not live.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
So I had that through Verizon. So yesterday I called
it Verizon and I was trying to find ways a longer.
I canceled it and I signed up for the ESPN
Disney Plus Hulu package. Right, So now I have ESPN.
I'm watching ESPN and they did a fantastic, fantastic piece
on the origin story of jumping through tables. It is

(11:40):
so good. It's a great piece. It's so funny, and
it's not just the mafia, Like, how did this start?
Who claimed? Yeah, well not the Bills, Yes, the Bills mafia,
but who claims it? And it was funny to see
these these guys.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Oh you mean it wasn't pro rustling.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well some say, some say, but it humbly saying, I'm
not saying I was the first. If I were, it
was so fantastic and I go the human ego, the
human Oh no, but it's fantastic. Come on, you gotta
admit this is some funny shit.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
It's oh, it's hilarious. That's why I'm rolling my eyes.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
We are wired for originality. That's what humans are wired for.
We want originality, even when it's uh, I would say
objectively dumb, right fair to say objectively dumb? Yeah, I
don't know. Being the first kind of gives you a status.
And you know, I influenced the whole movement. And there
was one guy saying it was twenty fifteen, and they

(12:42):
I think he's from Rochester and they have the people
from I assume they're Buffalo and they said yeah. This
guy said he was going to jump through the table,
and then he said, can we jump through your table?
And the guy said, I'll let you do it if
you climb on the top of the truck. And he
goes I didn't think he would, and he did. And
it was a kid from Rochester that was twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
To hang our hats on, so garbage plates jumped. Somebody
else claim we used to have Kodak. I just saw
the Simpsons thing that.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Some upstate New York.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Let's go to a place that was never good to
beginn with State New York.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I do a good Homer, don't I. I just thought,
I go this is interesting. And then somebody else goes, yeah,
twenty twelve, they started it and they have video, and
he goes, hey, look if anybody else can claim it,
I mean, I'm willing to do it, but I'm the
claiming I'm started started. It shows how a person sees themselves, right,

(13:44):
And I mean, if I say I started it, that's
a pretty bold thing.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Look at me.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I want to know who was the first person who
yelled freebird at the concert. I'm dying to know who's
the guy who started that shit that's been going on
for almost five decades now? Gosh?

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Here night we did a comedy show and my buddy
Steve and I performed and people started yelling freebird.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
We played Freebird and people left.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
No, it's it's just how about here are the audience
and they just decided to leave?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
How about the person who started the wave? Where's that guy?
I haven't seen him? Come up? I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
No, we haven't.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I'm assuming a guy.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
They're British or something. They're probably like overseas.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
But do we have the most identity driven fan base
with the Bill's Mafia? Oh? Yeah, because they have nothing
else to hang on to. Well, like extreme rituals like
jumping through a table? What says I belong more? What's
more extreme?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Jumping through a table or getting sprayed with ketchup and mustards?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Amen? And look, we see this stuff. It becomes kind
of like viral in the moment it sounds ridiculous. I
don't even know how you clean yourself up. You gotta
go home smelling like you can't get that smell off
you unless you shower and use some soap. I don't
know what I don't know what they're doing, but I
think to myself, the fans of Buffalo have endured decades

(15:11):
of suffering. Yeah fair, oh yeah, and so smashing a
table to me is kind of that, I'll say, symbolic release, right,
that joy that they get. That's like all the frustration
comes out, camaraderie, chaos, all that stuff blended together. It's
all right there. I don't know, Yeah, he not a fan.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
No, I'm in the minority.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Though.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
If you people enjoy that, you go ahead enjoy it, well,
look enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
These are not selves out. Literally knock yourselves.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Out these then they will. These are not people you
have to admit like what has happened in the world.
These are not people claiming stake to a new continent.
You know, you understand what I'm saying. You know, he
we found Atlantis. Yes, these are men arguing who is
the first to body slam through a forty dollars table

(16:06):
they bought at Costco, you know what I mean, like
a folding table. I know. And all that does is
it shows to me are meaning or in our need
for acceptance and and I don't know, it just doesn't.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
It was really embarrassing I think it was twenty seventeen
or twenty eighteen. How did he pre Josh Allen so
I think it was twenty sixteen. Twenty seventeen, Barstool Sports
decided to start doing quote documentaries, which were really mockumentaries.
They were twenty minute pieces and the first one was
about the idiot who threw the dildo onto the field?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Did they find him?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
To find him?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
He volunteered. Oh, I gotta see that. They saw Dave
Portnoye this morning on CBS Sunday Morning. They just hope.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
He's another one. But anyway, I'll give him credit. He's
built a built the fireman did as he bought it back.
He's yeah, God bless him. But we got to talk
about a guy who likes to be with young girls too.
He admits it.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
But anyway, young I mean we can team. Okay, that's it.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I mean, he means he emits that.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I mean. I'm not talking about like, yeah, yeah, I
heard old guys once talking. I overheard them, guys who
are slightly older than me, and they're like man her
skin like it's so you know what I mean, And
it's weird. It is a weird thing. But I have
always liked women. Somewhere in the visity of my age.

(17:29):
I still think right now, for me, one of the
most attractive ages is between forty five and fifty four.
Fifty five maybe, like I find that if you have it,
if you have it together, well, I just think it's
somebody who has it together. Right, has all this stuff continue? Well?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
But so this documentary, right, they found the guys, mom's dad,
the whole family, the people who sit in this section,
and they were all bragging about this. And the mom
was one of these people who's got the nice house
in Orchard Park. She wears that she wore the Gucci
get their juicy couture pants that say pink on the
back of the butt or whatever they're bragging about.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I'm the Bills Mafia, Okay, I'm like, you guys make
us all look like idiots.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well, the guy who founded the Bills Mafia, Yes, sir,
It's like, dude, I don't know why people do this.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Okay, we've interviewed, Yes, we had good dude. Tell Reid.
He's like, I don't know why people, but I think
I'll tell you why because I think it's ce I
wasn't invisible, especially if I started it, I wasn't invisible.
My life was for not for No.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'd rather be invisible.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well you would, but I'm just telling you.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Unless I started something that like, people need, people want
to change.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
People live themselves, of course they do. They want stories
about themselves that outlive themselves. I really do think that
some people, maybe not every what they do.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yes, yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Everybody wants significance, Yes, yes, they want significance.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's uh leggy legacy seeking in miniature. Yeah, I jumped
through the lego lego. But here's the thing. Can you imagine?
You know, you know, you know, the guy that thinks
he was first, twenty twelve, whatever it was. I tried
to go back and grab some audio from the ESPN thing.
I couldn't find it anywhere. But it's a really well

(19:16):
done piece. But that guy is going to be bragging grandkids, neighbors. Hey,
it was the first to jump through the table. As
you go, it's absurd. It's absurd. And by the way,
you brought up wrestling. They said they were trying to
figure out when it started, and there was video of
people who were jumping off snow banks too, tables outside

(19:42):
of wrestling match in Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, So they're saying that's where it started. Who knows,
I don't know. It's a great piece and it was
a fun little thing for me to watch.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
You also have to understand too, that the NFL outside
Buffalo and Green Bay and maybe Cincinnati, perhaps Jacksonville, I
don't know, those four cities, you have some of the
highest ticket prices.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
And by the way, next year it's going to go up.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
And everybody knows this with the new stadium, the highest
ticket prices, so that the guys who typically would jump
through tables in other cities who might think of doing that,
would never do it because they're not they're not in
that tax bracket.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Let's say, I got you, okay. Yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
In Buffalo, these are people who.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Like the blue collar it's blue collars.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
This way, people who like have season tickets in twenty
eight other NFL cities are also people who belong to
country clubs typically yes, okay, or huge corporations. In Buffalo,
they're not country club. They put their their puntry. Club
money is spent on bill.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Season tickets, and God bless them. Yeah that's fine. I'm
not knocking out because sounds like you're no, because people there.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Are people who don't do that.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yes, I know, I know, like like like one percent
of all bills fans are jumping, not even one percent.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
No, but it's are the ones who jumped through tables,
and most of them are young. Although I'll tell.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
You that I don't know about that in my dad.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
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getting better? All right, we will, uh well, take a moment.

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said hey this, Is great. I'LL listen i Listened To
the simpsons every day of. The Shower and, i'm like
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(27:07):
yeah it's A long, i mean this.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Is the guy Who.

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Does homer now he's the second guy To. Do homer
is really they had another Guy doing homer before That For,
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Speaker 3 (27:19):
LAMB castellana i Think.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
IT'S castellana i know there's two l's which sometimes make a,
y SOUND but i Think. IT'S castellano i think there's
a lot of, podcasts, though, yeah, many many many one. Right,
now yes. MANY podcasts i would love to know. The
number i'd love to know the success rate and what what, you,
know whatever it. Doesn't matter there's One Called the diary OF. A,

(27:47):
CEO yeah i know. This one you are familiar.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
With, it, YES okay i got the, guy's name but
he has a lot of heavy. Hitters on yes.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
He Does. Steve, bartlett yep is that? HIS name i? Think,
So okay so he HAD The Ceo, natalie dawson who
is the co founder and president Of. Cardone, Ventures okay
and she revealed that she once fired two employees immediately
after discovering they were cheating on their. Romantic PARTNERS and

(28:19):
i believe.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Sure she's not Rowning the. BUFFALO bills i believe that
a couple.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
OF times i believe she said she made this decision
without a, Second, thought okay even though the affair did
not involve their partners working at. The company in, OTHER
words i don't think the people they were hooking up
with Worked At. Cardoon, ventures, okay okay This grant.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
CARDON'S company i.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
DON'T know i didn't look Up Who cardon, ventures is
but it very well. COULD be i thought the. SAME
thing i. Didn't look, she says if someone cheats in their,
personal life she believes they can't be. Trusted professionally what
do you think?

Speaker 4 (29:02):
OF that i could? SEE that i MEAN he i mean.
You can't it's hard to make, a generalization Is d
but everybody seemed to, love well everyone seems to love
a couple of presidents known.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
For this People loved.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Clinton Right when clinton got caught Cheating on hillary In
The white house With A white house intern which could
be considered not just a coworker but.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
An underling absolutely dynamic there because the, right said, you
know can.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
A star this, Is awful get him out of office.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
AND left i don't care who, he screws as long
as he's running, the, country right as long as he's
food on.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
My table now fast Forward to Trump And stormy daniels,
or whomever and the, right.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Goes look i'm not electing. A pastor i'm electing.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
A president.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I've always said politics is just one big wrestling. Lumberjack
match we just side. With whoever we play the same
playbook with whoever, we like and whoever.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
We don't do you think a lack of integrity at
home equals a liability at? The, workplace yes. You.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Do yeah if you can't be a leader, at home
you can't be. A.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
LEADER now i only saw a little bit of. This
Podcast STEVE bartlett i believe is, his name. The host
he did push back and argue that employees' private lives
are not. Employer's business NOT sure i can, understand that
and that personal and professional behavior can. BE separate i

(30:34):
can behave, one WAY and i, would say think of your.
Own lives i'm not saying that you're a cheater, or
anything but think of your. Own lives you talk, one
way maybe to, your mom in a different way to,
your wife and maybe a different way to your. Best
friend we all, do that right a, little BIT so
i thought there's some precedent maybe there that people. Do,

(30:56):
this however he pushed back on the idea of acting
as quote unquote the government of everyone in over anyone's
relationship in. THE workplace i.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
DON'T know i THINK that i just want to go
back TO what. I, say, sure okay if you if
you can't lead, it home you probably are not good
at leading in. The office, THAT said i don't know
that it is the boss's job to fight you if
you're having an affair outside. Of work outside, of, work

(31:30):
now if it's within, the, workplace yes now we got.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
A problem that's an hr. ISSUE outside i.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Don't know that that is that that is a very.
Slippery slope look and by, THE way i don't condone any.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Of, THAT no i know, you DON'T and i know
you've been Sort OF can i use the term victim
of this to? Some? Degree, YES right i, mean, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah in a. Previous, Life, Yes.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Talbot, i'm sorry BUT what i, don't, know sorry because
that was my. Whole thing you had nothing to do. With,
it dude you, NAILED it. I know but still mir
animal for. The wind she went on LinkedIn This Woman,
natalie dawson and she said leaders hold the line on
integrity and that if someone is dishonest in one part,

(32:16):
of life it won't magically stop. At work and there
is something about that that sort of makes my sphincter
pucker a, little tighter because even Our Friend greg connors
has said he believes golf is a great game to
see sort of the integrity. Of somebody, oh.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah there's a MUG that i got from my uncle
one YEAR when i.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Was sixteen, it says you want to find out what a,
guy is what someone, is like play around of golf. With,
him okay we want to find out the character of.
A man play one round of golf with him and
you will learn.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
So much So she, I'm sorry i'm. Still leating. Go On, NATALIE,
dawson ceo says that she kind of framed, the, fire
says protecting culture and not. PUNISHING people i. Don't know
that's A, little well that's.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Our companies you can do what.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
You want, well exactly someone's got. DIFFERENT philosophies, i mean
you Go. To netflix right the moment you walk in,
the door they're trying to fire You.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
At. Netflix yes the reason is.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Because they want to get the most out.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Of you they want you to perform under pressure to
the point where you'll drive yourself out.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Of it wants to KNOW what i mean.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Because people want The word netflix on. Their, resume hey
LOOK what i was able, To do.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
But is it a bigger cultural shift in. A way
as we say this for companies acting as the moral
police arbiters of, some kind you KNOW what? I MEAN
and i. Don't know there's a line between personal ethics and,
professional behavior and it sort of begs the question where

(33:58):
does the company's authority begin? An, END yeah i.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
UNDERSTAND that, i mean let's put it. This way if
let's let's apply this to several walks. Of life let's
apply it to, Law enforcement let's apply it, to politics
let's apply it. To church let's apply this to. Pro
sports we'll have, that, one right.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
We wouldn't have anybody.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Left well accepting the accepted church because you cannot have
that in. Your church that got that has, to go,
hang on that has. To go but the OTHER aspects i.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
DON'T think, i mean but here's something that's interesting that you.
Point out all those people, are leaders and what's attractive strong,
powerful people especially strong. Powerful. Men, Yeah Right and i've
been held up in society for, so LONG and i
had a CHURCH that i went, to, that uh the

(34:50):
pastor was caught banging his secretary who people used to call.
Ant pudgy that's what, our kids her nieces and nephews
called her on The Upstate. New YORK.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Why i went to a church? Growing up not now?
Me too growing up they had the say of a.
Similar SITUATION.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
So, I mean, i go what? About gambling what? About
drinking what? About? Hookups? Divorce politics here's The thing i'm. Not,
sure look it is a, private COMPANY and i tried
to do a little Research on some courts have, upheld
firings others have ruled. Them unlawful IN, THE us i
think you're an at. Will, Employment yeah and so it

(35:33):
gives companies pretty much a wide LATITUDE and i think
it sort of depends on. The judge they can fire
people for personal conduct unless protected by, discrimination law which
is very specific in its wording. And protections so there's
lawful off duty conduct and there's statues. On that can

(35:53):
you guess? The states there are three states that have
lawful off duty conduct statutes In, Place, utah, No okay
but There is west and it does It. Borders utah they,
share border so a little. Further, East, Okay colorado you.
Got it, That's surprising?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Uh huh colorado would, have. That yep SO would i
think more States?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Like?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Colorado no, you may you may just think of some.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Liberal, States, okay california Doesn't it you?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Got, it okay. Uh huh and then there's one, More Baby.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
New york you got it Up State.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
New york now there have been lost is involving people
fired for, relationship choices but all the results vary. By
state they. Really DO so i. DON'T know i have
known people have been fired for consensual relationships at, the
workplace but there are sometimes stated in, the handbook or

(36:50):
it's sort of an. Unwritten rule you don't what do,
they say.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
You don't dip your pen in?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
The company, OH okay i was, gonna, say shit where,
you're SLEEP but i got. Or eat we're. In. Business
uh people have been fired for in. Moral behavior that's
not that's.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
NOT uncommon i think if morality is, your culture if it's,
like church then you need to.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Go right but.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
That's, church now when we're talking about, SOCIETY business I
think i think there's a little bit of overreach there in,
some cases unless it's two people within.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
The, workplace okay once it BECOMES an, hr issue all that's.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Are off. All right so this woman who runs This Company,
cardon ventures or SHE'S the ceo, Of, IT yeah i.
Say running she believes that personal behavior equals. Personal behavior
that's basically what. She's saying if you do this here.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Outside the, lines there you'll call her.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Outside right but psychology sort of, complicates that it, really
does because occasionally people. ARE dishonest i mean, they're kind but. Occasionally,
dishonest well let's put.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
THIS way i mean Our friend tom you lay once
said behind every, great fortune he's a. Great, crime, yes
yes SHE'S the ceo of. This company i'm sure she
worked her you know what off to. Get there. Huh
okay but sometimes it's better to Ask for we've all
been told it's better to ask forgiveness than ask. For,
Permission yes so to BE the ceo is of. Political

(38:29):
gain just, like politics there's always a corner, cut here
something chopped, off there there's, trade.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Offs there's deals and all this. Other stuff so it's kind.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Of taking you better have your hands completely clean if
you're gonna BE the ceo that's gonna cast judgment on
somebody in.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Your underneath, your purview you're doing something on their. Own,
Time again i'm not condoning this on a, personal level
but at a, business level you.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Better be clean and by the way. Cleaning, everything sure
because here's a question like.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Cleaner Than A supreme, court, justice which by, the way like, you.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Know yeah but it raises this question. To me is
it dangerous to reduce a person's, entire character their, entire
character to one? Moral, DECISION yes i think it, is dangerous,
really dangerous unless, IT'S murder i, got, it, Okay RIGHT
and i mean if it's breaking.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
The law then, Well, tude okay how about find?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Out somebody like the human inconsistency, is, Everywhere, right well
a lot of us. Are inconsistent have you ever found
out about something something about someone that you ain't would
have never never? Thought that, oh, yeah yeah WELL LOOK.
O j simpsons a priantic, so, sure yeah that's a.
Great example it's, like wait what? He? Did?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
WHAT no i mean for years people who want TO
believe oj did it, because, LIKE no, I KNOW. O,
j right NOT our?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Oji? Cosmy, no? Yes actly.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Cosby was the Father. Of, america yes in, a, sense
right the character, at least and see. You go are
companies overreaching by trying to hire the? PERFECT candidate i.
DON'T know i think there's a lot of people who
have high moral standards. FOR themselves i, Really DO but i.

(40:28):
DON'T know I just i don't know if it creates
if this is the case in, the workplace does it
create integrity or does it? Create masking in, other words you're.
Hiding it you're hiding what what sins, You HAD and
i would feel like it almost makes the workplace. More, anxious, oh.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
ABSOLUTELY yeah I Mean blockbuster video used to have a
policy you couldn't date in The, Office blockbuster like you
couldn't like who works who would Work, at blockbuster, young
kids potheads or older people who could would be normally
working in a drive, to right. You know SO like
i knew a couple who broke up because they, were,
told listen if you want to continue to Work, at

(41:12):
blockbuster you can't do, this, Anymore right and that was
part and they knew it, going, in right so they
would kind of sneak around because they were.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
In, LOVE yes, i mean it's.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
What what there is something that? Makes phibition what amendment
was prohibition that? They? REPEALED prohibition i don't remember whatever. That, was.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yes okay it was a prime example of how you
could not legislate morality because everybody was.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Doing it and the big thing is there's something about
sneaking around that makes it a little, more exciting whether it's,
an affair whether, it's prohibition whether it's sneaking. A cigarette
do you understand what thriller? Getting?

Speaker 3 (41:48):
CAUGHT yeah i got away.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
With, it yes you get a little hot that or
to have this secret side of me that nobody. Really
knows only a few people are in. On this there
is something it's and. It's power it's control. Over yourself
I'M not i. Don't know, YOU know i hesitate to
say much, on THINGS but i do think that you

(42:13):
have to if you found yourself in a situation where
you were having, an affair whether you're married or the other,
person's married or you're, BOTH married i think you have
to stop and question yourself and ask why are you?
Doing this because the thing, is that let's say, you're

(42:36):
single but the other. Person isn't they kind of came
on to you and it was just fun. For you
what would your? Family say what would your best? Friend
say and a lot of people won't, Say anything but
would you want your mom? To? Way yeah would you
want your mom? To KNOW and i think in those

(42:57):
situations it's easy some times to. Mistake mistake but feelings.
Come about you feel like. A connection we all, want
connection we all want. That stuff, BUT boy i don't
know how you go home and tell your wife you.
Got fires, it's like you Know what, I'm, SAYING hey

(43:17):
i lost my. Job today why you were? Doing great
you hit a bonus?

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Last quarter because she's. Gonna, dig oh we need to file.
A lawsuit, i mean we need to hire. A lawyer
we need.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
To, do, no, no honey you know what this is.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Gonna be this is gonna be for the best for.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Me totally you walked away from a six, figure job
seven figure job because you're too?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Stressed, out, well.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
What, it's? Crazy, right so but the, thing is it's an.
Interesting debate it seems like a lot of control. And
judgment sometimes you wonder what the other. Person, is however
if it comes down to character and you want the
best character in your what do we talk about even with,
football teams what do, We, say well, we do but

(44:01):
we want great character in.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Our guys we, say, that.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Right but we want to We Want, JOSH allen i
can't tell you. How many give me fifty.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Three convicts i'll get You A, super, Bowl Sure dallas
cowboys back in the championship.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Handcuffs After The.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Super.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Bowl, YEAH so i mean the thing, is like but
WHAT do i? See it on a lot of back
of the back of a lot. Of cars, it says,
be good, Do, good.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
God, bless bills?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Right right is That That's, josh allen that's, you want,
That's character that's what we want our guys to.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Be, that yes, of course idly speak.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
And, we should, We should we. All should but can
any of the real can any of us meet? That
STANDARD and i know it, sounds simple, be good not,
too hard? Too, good yeah but can we consistently hit?

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Those, Measurements, no no, we cannot not one, of us
not one. Of US can i, TELL people, I go
i laugh, At Protests and i've always said that on.
THIS show i laugh at protest because you look, hard
enough you could, protest everything Including yourselfs if you're, being
honest you'd be protesting yourself to a.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Certain degree but it's hard. To know and a lot
of times we're living for external validation and. Internal VALIDATION
and i think that the people who do who kind of,
know THEMSELVES and i would say maybe the highest thing
you could be, in life, even above just loving would,
be authentic. Truly authentic and those are the people who

(45:30):
don't get involved in these kind. Of things why because
it doesn't. Serve, them no it doesn't. Serve THEM and
i think that that that's an. IMPORTANT thing i. DON'T
know I wouldn't i don't think i'd fire people. FOR
that i would maybe offer that there's counseling and really
think about what you're doing because a lot of people could,
get hurt especially if you. Have kids.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Everyone has, a, microphone now, oh, okay yeah, Like us
so now everybody has to have this grandiose statement to write.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
A book, so hey here ARE my, I mean i
Went to Barnes.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
And, noble YES because i FOUND out i had over
two hundred dollars in gift Cards that i've.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Never Used so i'm Walking around Barnes.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
And, NOBLE now i got a huge library in my
own house of BOOKS that i haven't.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Read yet try to tell myself What?

Speaker 4 (46:10):
For christmas Thirty six Ways To Be, MIRA animal i
don't Know By. Tom mule it's written. In, Crayon no i'm,
just joking but he's still reading. The forward it's taking.
Four years but the, point is though. Is that who's
that going?

Speaker 3 (46:28):
With this everyone's got a. Freaking book everyone's got, to
say SO, This, ceo well.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Here's my way of. DOING things i don't know how
people think. ABOUT it i only Found Out.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Steve jobs has a way Of doing elon has a
way Of Doing read Hastings And larry ELLISON and i
could go on and on about every Single And Patrick.
Bett david i've read the Forty eight Laws. Of power
i've Read The Patrick, Bette david i'm not making. This
up he had a painting commissioned of every major leader
he's ever, read About From benjamin Franklin To, Donald Trump,

(47:01):
donald true all these people.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
In it and he looks at the picture and, asks.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Himself what would so and so do in? This situation
what would so and so do in?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
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Situation who what would this person do in? This situation
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well Here's.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
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Speaker 3 (47:13):
My mark i'm gonna fire people for being.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
IM moral i don't know how did you get TO.
BE ceo i don't know how it got, Out right
and she went on a podcast because obviously the host,
found out and then the host decided, that well, you
know what is what is the what is the morality
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(47:37):
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DISCUSSION so i hadn't heard about it until she went on,
the PODCAST and i think she. Was invited, oh, yeah,
Yeah yeah they're, all invited so that that would be
the interest everybody who has.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
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A book, i, Agree okay and, This, was Hey look
i've fired two people because this is the CULTURE that. I,
want okay but then someone's gonna, crack somewhere and then
that crack's gonna like blow Through, That wow and, then, What, HOWEVER.

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Dan i, WOULD say i, would, say uh this next
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A book and it's right up Your.

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killers going to make a new video to this Song
With josh allen running around and Doing like there are
exciting plays in every game by.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
That guy.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
There are it's. Just amazing he is. A human he
is the.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Human, highlight yes Absolutely he he didn't play that, Well
today well.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
He had moments OF. M vp, i'm sorry you know.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
He did the guys of the there's only two guys
in history who have ever thrown three touchdowns and scored
three touchdowns in.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
The name that it Wouldn't Be. Cam Newton It's.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Josh allen.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Both times he did it last year Because the rams and,
a loss and he did it to Today.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Or Monday or sunday in.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
A victory so It's Both, JOSH allen, i mean and
the guys of the postgame show On the bill's, flagship station,
they're like do we dare Say That.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Josh allen did not have the great?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Game today we're gonna get our heads ripped off if we. Say,
that well he, DIDN'T know, i mean he didn't that first.
Play zone he did not.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Play well but the cross that was that. Was awful
said they have been.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
The worst interception he's. Ever playing just threw it out
and it was sort of like this.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
A, panic yes well see that or a, Safety right.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Oh you don't have. THE safety, I get i get. What's,
happening YEAH and. I go you can't almost put all
the Blame. On, josh no the receiving corps is not
has not. Been spectacular They've made.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
He's had more time to favorites like than he's ever
had in, his career so.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
It's not an.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Offensive issue but they can't get. Separation right but today they.
Got separations, not early but. They, did yes guys were open.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
To Desk tyrrel.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Shaver's Look tyrrel shavers Looked like james lost.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Was a few times where did not? See, guys yes
he didn't. See guys, So, no yeah did you bet on?
The game did you put any money on?

Speaker 4 (52:12):
This?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
One, No, OKAY no i don't remember what you said.
ABOUT this i think he said.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Stay away no he said take he said TAKE the
i think he said take the bucks with. The points
SO if i did that at, the moment then. We,
lost yeah because they. Didn't, COVER yeah i always put
a Dollar on juicus picks just to have a record
of where he was to see he does he in
a rough week last week he wasn't even on. The
air but he his, integrity though but, his integrity he

(52:38):
admitted how poorly. He did but he typically like He wins,
man like it's like a second income stream.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
For him, but betting to me has almost become like
high risk. Commodity trading do you Know what? I'm saying
that's what.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
It, is yeah it doesn't it feel, that way like
you know what.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
The average bet is on on on all The, Like
DraftKings FanDuel.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Twenty five, oh yeah it makes sense BECAUSE when i
a bet.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
A dollar it's like a scratch. Off ticket it's in.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Your, hand yeah only you think like a scratch off
you could let you just. Scratch off if, you win.
You win or when you picked the. Lottery, Numbers hey
i'm picking. THE numbers i have some control.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Of this but everybody fixed it like Me fix they,
dont football and we're.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Betting touchdowns try to win six figures on a, dollar
Bet which i've done and lost. Countless time During The, world,
SERIES though i won one hundred bucks an at eighteen in,
A game i bet that three dudes would hit home
runs and.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
They did look at this, yeah, WOW yeah i mean
and the and they were the.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Only, three actually no three. Or Four will lad hit?
ONE too i should have bet, ON him i. Would
have it's, a, STRETCH yeah, i mean. THAT'S hard i
win one.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Home run bet a.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
YEAR one i won four hundred dollars. Last year put all.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Of that back into the bagging the kick of, the,
Kiddy right but two YEARS ago i won two grand
twenty two.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Hundred. Dollars right so this is the day before my.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
UNCLE'S funeral i gotta BE the i gotta be the
guy who eulogizes. MY uncle u huh drive back Home
To silver creek and do this, Funeral.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Right And.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
It's i'm kind. Of Depressed it's.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
Monday night I'M watching i think it was, the uh
it Was the chiefs Or, THE bengals i don't remember who.
Was playing and all of, A sudden, i'm, like, oh,
go go, go o what's? THE matter, I go i
just want twenty two. Hundred dollars, she goes you got
a funeral? DO tomorrow i know.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
We call. That incongruence happy over a. Sad Occasion Junior
Jersey Sports Moms Damn kim Zito And. Rosanna mango, eh.
Magno magno we're charged with racketeering after allegedly taking part
in a two million dollar mafia linked illegal online sports

(54:47):
betting ring run by their sons and Financed By Joseph Little,
joe berna a purported soldier In the luczy. Crime FAMILY
and I believe Lucchese, is, Lukesey, yes, lucas, yes, yes
well they Were.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
IMPLICATING lukesey i think we're one of the families that
were implicating IN the.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Fbi investigation yes WITH, the nba you. Got It kim
zito flaunted glamorous lifestyle on, social media Complete with, gucci bags,
home flips. Inspirational quotes magno maintain a quieter online presence
working in, retirement services but prosecutors say that from twenty
twenty two to twenty, twenty four, two years both women

(55:31):
helped funnel or conceal illegal gambling cash from a national
online sportsbook operation Coordinated By. Little Joe little joe and
several family members including Her Sons frank Zito and Joseph And,
anthony magno and, a nephew all in their. Early twenties

(55:51):
the ring allegedly used a network of bookmakers across the
country to take, illegal bets enrich, the defendants and keep the.
Operation running fourteen people across multiple states are now, facing
charges and this bust Follows another lukesey gambling crackdown earlier.
This year tharti said that is what you were referring.
To say zito accepted illegal cash in late twenty, twenty

(56:14):
Three while magno attempted to hide gambling ledgers in twenty
twenty five during a. Police stop their attorneys have, Not,
commented obviously sports betting as, IT is i go as
the new. Family business when some suburban moms become the
side hustle, For, this yeah it's, Right THERE and i
don't know why you WOULDN'T do i. Don't know if it's,

(56:35):
more exciting if it's more of a, cash deal you
can hide. It better but it's, still happening even though
we have legalized Gambling In new jersey And In. New
york jersey had, It First new, york followed because then
why people going across.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
The, border right because that's what. People.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Do yes, of course of course.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Everyone's in on even the, sports organizations, sports leagues they're
only in.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
On it but it's so weird that the modern mafia
is blending so well into normal suburban.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Making a cutback.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Because it used to be smoky back rooms, with bookies
you Know what. I'm saying, like that you saw.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
The star money.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Counting, machines yeah and now we got, highly educated social
media savvy people that are, suburban women and it's kind
of blurring the lines between illegal gambling AND mainstream i, don't,
KNOW wow.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
I mean it's it's almost like you have the opportunity
to do this people have the opportunity to do this with,
their phone why do they feel like they need to
go and do?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
THIS privately i guess because older people who just don't
understand how to.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Use, Technology maybe but there's also that well, could BE
but i. Don't know if you've got, higher stakes better,
QUICKER payout i don't know what. IT is i. Really
don't way used to not be taxed on the money that, You,
make well that's probably what. IT means i, DON'T know i.
Really don't. I'm trying i'm making things Up as. I'm
talking like if you.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Win, on FanDuel you're getting you're getting a ten ninety. Nine,
form yeah well it depends on, how, Much, Right, yeah
yeah we have to win over like five hundred dollars
or something. Like that and then but like, you know it's.
Getting reported you gotta, Like YES but.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I mean it's less Like the sopranos and more like,
you know The The real Housewives Of. Monroe county that's the.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Funniest part the Wives.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Are yes if you remember a good fella and it
was a good fellow is a casino where those good
fellas WHERE the fbi had to click off after so,
Many minutes so we put our wives on, the phone
and after ten minutes then we would jump on and
then talk and then hand the phone back to.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Our wives something maybe, Like that who's gonna suspect?

Speaker 4 (58:34):
The? Wives right but then when You're buying gucci and
all this, other stuff it's like that other seat And
good fellas where, they go.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Well the cars in my?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Mother's NAME would i tell you don't big purchases at
The loose.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Luffonza heist danny remembers all this stuff because he secretly
wanted to be part Of The silver creek. Crime family
but let me ask, you this why is sports betting
really when you look, at stocks, hedge funds, day traders
it's all, a gamble. It is it's all. A GAMBLE and, i,

(59:07):
GO so i, don't know you got one run from
a paraphield kitchen and one you KNOW what? I, MEAN.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Yes i think the difference is with the stock market
is that there's been proven methods where if you invest
your money certain ways, over time it'll all.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Like, Grow SURE but, i mean are we criminalizing people
that are doing what hedge funds have done? All along
just to? Do it because if?

Speaker 4 (59:26):
They're not but everything like securities is highly, highly Regulated
and i'm sure that there's backdoor dealings and insider trading.
And whatnot it's the appearance of being. Highly regulated, you
can't you can't regulate you know we? Card, games no.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
You can't and here's, the thing like we said this
just a few, minutes ago BUT as i think, about
it and as we're, talking here why wouldn't you just
use the legal? Betting services why? Risk this why risk?
All this and there is a going back to even.
An affair there's something about doing something on the sneak
that is. Really exciting there's exclusivity, to it there's secrecy.

(01:00:06):
To it there, there yeah there's you can. Launder it
well you got this insider. Status Though well i'm just
saying like why would people? Do that and and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Because it makes me somebody makes me, feel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Important right it. Really does you know who that is? Over,
there yeah, that's Uh that's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Joey's mom joey's mom wants that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Whole, thing well it's the thrill of beating the system
and really getting the cash pay broke down.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Like cash buttel's, reading, like yeah you just say The,
mob okay you know what the cause of means what
it means if you say It, in english this thing, of,
ours well, our thing so break you get down like
it's a. Fancy day it's. Like cash really you ever
watch a?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Mob movie but you have, to, ask like making betting
legalized to a, certain degree is it removing the stigma
that you know it was always this sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Well yeah especially when you got like pro athletes saying bet.
DRAFT gigs i mean draftkigs is now sponsoring Everything fandel
it's it's almost like the here's the thing. ABOUT DraftKings
i think that this is gonna turn into if the
federal government really gets involved, in this because everything's, smoking.
Mirror right they don't want us to look at what's

(01:01:21):
really going on and what we really.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Want done so.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
We're gonna focus on the mob a gambling and make
it look like we're doing. Something right so it's gonna
be like the dot. Com boom everyone got a head
to get into a website before and then all of,
a sudden what happened the dot com?

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Bubble burst.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
IT did i think there's only gonna be three or
four companies that are gonna survive. The gambling and by,
the way and you're gonna see if the government really leans,
on them you're gonna see less. Player props where's really?

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Were, all wow the player prop is really, the, Problem
right that's that's where, The problem that's where the. Problems,
are yeah it's interesting to ME because I as, i
go you are you forcing criminals to be a little
more creative because we've removed the stigma and anybody can you? Know?
Better dollar and it's. Just FUN and i don't really

(01:02:09):
know because there is the, thing like it's why is this?
Still surviving and the ONLY thing i can think of
is cash payouts a little. More exciting there is something
about it that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
You're kind of a. Big deal you could hide.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
This money it's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
A lot it could be a lot. Of money you
don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Claim, anything, no no no one, knows, anything right no.
One knows, you know all of, a sudden you Come.
Home christmas you know you're able to put that bow
on the car and put it in the driveway for
your for. Your wife you know you can plow jobs for.
A year. You're, fantastic hey? Thank you illegal, Gambling, WHATEVER
yeah i know how to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
MOVE it i wouldn't know what, to, DO well i
would know how to. Hide that but you're.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Talking about these women who had what do, They say
gucci bags and. And other of course they had to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Flaunt it when you come out of, your, baseline folks well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
You got gucci bags and. Granite, countertops oh by, the
way DraftKings knockoff in. The, basement yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
And you have a w two of thirty thousand dollars
a year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Is somewhere driving around just so it's their son somewhere
Driving Around new jersey is a bumper sticker magnet in
the back of a minivan that says proud parent of.
A felon THAT'S all i. Can think it's, amazing though
and that this stuff still, Goes ON and i Guess
the marcaess know what. They're doing lukaz's Is It? Luke

(01:03:33):
mares it be A market i don't. Even know, but
okay But the lukas's in A way i have To
go god, Damn, man yeah tip, Your HAT am? I
wrong i know that, Sounds horrible but who's getting hurt?
By this it's people Who are everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Who's involved in this Knows. The, steaks yeah you Know what.
I'm saying they're NOT like, i.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Mean, like look if if you don't, pay up you're gonna. Get,
capped right if you don't pay, off again you're gonna
end up sleeping with. The fishes everybody's on, the up everybody.
Knows it but because they don't, pay taxes that's the
Only thing like, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Let's say they all pay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Their, taxes yeah our national debt now goes down point
zero zero zero zero zero.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
One cent, but, exactly okay fair. Point uncovered but the
weird part is like in, a way you go who?
Gets hurt who? Really cares and by, the way the
markess somebody needs TO hire i did. It again well
that's what. They do like you Know what, i'm saying hire.
These duds you don't know what. They're doing so they
found the people you. Can't find If you're.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Frank, ampic dal the federal government hired him to help figure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Out People like, frank exactly catch me if. You can
but that's my point with the would actually luke CAZy
the lukas's why don't you have them run? A casino
they Could have they would get all the high rollers
in and there, Be this well how about you let
them like skim there's, one, room right that people can

(01:05:05):
get in high rollers room and they don't claim any.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Of, it yeah, that's yours that's yours, to keep, All
right so they play the, executive game bringing Lt And David.
Lee rose it's so FUNNY when i see things like,
You know franks It, after junior my son is WORKING
on i get A little buka when we were out
to dinner last night and he's in. Grad school i'm in,
grad school and, HE goes, i, SAID man i get.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
A week i got all THE stuff i. GOTTA do
i don't want to, get them and, he's like how about.
WE switch i had to write he had to write
a code that would be they could crack into something
to prove because, he's CYBERSECURITY and, i go it's amazing
now what we have and how we try to protect.

(01:05:49):
Protect everything, it's, insane right the level, of technology and
if you could just get the people who, do this
they have to be, fucking brilliant like a luke able
to beat the, you know who would EVEN think i
would THINK if i was in illegal gambling and gambling
got legalized in one of the most populated cities on.

(01:06:11):
The planet, I'm over. I'm done WHERE am i going
Not To. Louke casey now they figured out, a WAY and,
i go if you could just get some people to
use their powers of evil, for good what a different world.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
We do, oh man it'll.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Be amazing, but, no, yes, no no no, no no
that's never how.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
It, works oh it's never how. It works should we close? It?
OUT dan i know it's a, little abbreviated But the.
Bills win you're. Feeling good i'm feel.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
All right we gotta get Ready. For thursday, quick turnaround Going.
To houston by that Of the bill's only game Outside
The eastern times on. This, year, really yeah they don't
travel much. This Year the bills have a very. Favorable
schedule they just have no receivers and Maybe with kean,
Getting Suspended keon coleman getting suspended and maybe. Suspended again

(01:06:58):
like McDermott after the game did not. Say whether he
said it's too soon to talk. About It and keon
was at the game today and they did ask him about.
It AFTERWARDS now, I saw i have not seen. THE
clip i just know they ask they Asked ke ke was,
THERE reporters i don't know who it may, have Been,
FAB brown I don't i. DON'T know i have because
like between Breaks here i'm Skimming, Through twitter, i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Like oh keon, Talked, today okay so Maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
That's wednesday So because I'm, sure Peter like peter sent
me like one text today and, He's, like, buddy man
THAT'S all, i, Wrote man but it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Was EXCITING oh i remember to use the word roller. Coaster,
today yes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Roller, coaster yes people were taking their pulse AND where,
i was they were checking in they were.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Sweating, vapes yeah people are vaping legally in. The, bathroom,
hey cash you go check.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
That out, BUT no, i.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Mean it's not gonna be an easy Game, against HOUSTON
and i wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Be surprised I'VE said i think they're. Gonna lose i'm
gonna stick. TO that i hate saying that Because the housta,
can't Score the bills can't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Play defense how they to you they're gonna. STEP out i.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Don't tall they lost this game because they punted on fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Two uh they lost this game because they punted on fourth,
and two and then when they had a chance to
like Hold the bills to a, field goal their best
defensive player.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Pulled, On sorry Kyir khalil by the. Ear hole that
was a fifteen yard that sealed. The game. Right there
bill's win And score. Allen scores that's. The game we'll, Take,
it blouses we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Take it we'll, Take, IT danny i don't careble. Digit
victory we'll. Take it find fault with. The wins is, a, Win,
Buddy yes i'll Take the winner's a Win For dan
barrillo and All his, Bill's gear connor's And faris. Bill's
had oh is? It?

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Really yeah that. Was nice he's just.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Gonna compliment. Very Good I'm. Bill moran we'll see. You
Tomorrow gove Ells.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Up ston they didn't know what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
To do i'm TURNING. A tv you state seem they
were looking for a kind of Light the tennessee