September 16, 2025 • 34 mins
In this special Billightenment installment of Billified: The Bill Moran Podcast, Bill sits down with spiritual teacher and energy healer Shelia Tillich for a powerful conversation about the importance of turning inward. Together, they explore the idea that true fulfillment comes from within—not from external validation, reactions, or the noise of the outside world.
This insightful episode dives into how we can:
It’s an uplifting, thought-provoking dialogue reminding us that we’re all in this together—and the path to happiness starts inside.
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This insightful episode dives into how we can:
- Listen deeply and truly hear one another
- Understand the meaning behind our emotional reactions
- Align with our higher selves to bring more joy, abundance, and purpose into our lives
- Break free from old conditioning that no longer serves us
It’s an uplifting, thought-provoking dialogue reminding us that we’re all in this together—and the path to happiness starts inside.
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Speaker 1 (01:24):
Welcome to another Installment Of. Bill LIGHTENMAN but i really
want to put this out on billified, as WELL because
i think there's so many things happening in the world
and time and stuff THAT and i have questions and thoughts,
and THINGS and i love It because sheila reached out,
and said we haven't done one in, a WHILE and,
i thought, you, know wow you've lost a lot. Of
(01:46):
weight by, the way is that rude, to? Say wow
really getting healthy? Feeling, better yeah isn't? That nice got
a few more?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
To, go yes. It, is yeah it's nice being able
to reach down and. Doing.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So, YEAH right i got. You that that's. Pretty good
that caught me. OFF guard i just. LOOKED up i, was,
like wow the shell shell. Looks great so let's let
let's start with because you said you wanted to talk about,
heart math but we started kind of on our own
and we were talking about why would you know how
(02:23):
did go back to school? For me come? Out RIGHT
and i, said that, you know here's, the THING and
i was, reading, ABOUT well i gave you the story as,
to Why and i've said it on the, podcast before
and it just seemed to just come about serendipitously that, you,
thought well HOW do i say no? To this And
now i'm going in over my head in SOME areas i.
(02:45):
Don't know but we were talking about to person, focused
THERAPY which, I said i like because it sort of
lets the person come to their. Own conclusion you're not
telling them. The wrong their feelings. Aren't wrong there isn't.
Anything wrong and THE example i used was a guy
who just got married and then he decided that he
likes going out for beers On a friday with his buddies,
(03:06):
after work and his wife would get anyed and he needn't,
understand why and, he's, LIKE listen i don't. Get it
it's just me blown. Off steam and then the next session,
he says, You know i've been thinking about this, a
LOT and i realized SHE thinks i value my friends,
over her and, he's like that's not. The case and,
you know but it really comes down to communication in
(03:26):
a relationship is. So important, Eat RIGHT but i just
think when you think of the relationship between the person, and,
life right that's always coming. At you it's really how
do we handle all? That stuff and we've seen a lot,
of changes and you've been saying there's going to be
a lot, of changes And so i'll leave. It THERE
(03:48):
and i know you wanted to talk about some, heart
MATH and i think that all kind of fits.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
In here how about, the consciousness the thought process of
the emotions of what. Is happening so, you know the
wife kind of concerned that the friends was? More important?
Was her it was bingo? Right there but it's like
we don't we justify our actions and not really understanding
what is happening within. The relationship it's all about listening
(04:14):
to the person you know from. The heart and that's
what heart math that's.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
All. About okay so and what is THAT because i
hear you say heart, Math okay and there's the Heart.
Math institute that is some.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Heartmouth institute it is about learning to connect with your.
Heart intelligence heart intelligence mean it has, a brain it
has more, brain set it has more cells in it
than the. Actual brain and your heart is what, starts beating,
you know when they first see that there is an
embryo there and it's the heart that. You see so
the heart starts first and then. It develops and in,
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heart math it's all about building resilience against stress and
trauma and. Going within so whenever we talk about, going
within it's an. Inside job our whole life is an.
Inside job so we need to really take a look
at our. Own lives are? We happy if we're, not
happy why are? We unhappy SO what i do as
an energy practitioner is is help people understand what's going.
(05:09):
On inside what are the choices that? You're making, You
know and a lot of it is relationship stuff and.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
PROFESSIONAL stuff i think a lot of, times too we're.
SO conditioned i feel, Like TWO and i know that
a lot of times we seem to say the, same
things maybe in. Different, ways yeah and we need.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
To we need to people to. Understand it but?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What right So what i'm saying is like so many
times we look for our happiness from external sources and
really it has to come from. Within you and that's
so easy, to say but, then again, you know here
comes somebody and if they only just, BEHAVE differently i
would feel so. Much better and that's not that's, Not
(05:55):
possible and you can't really assert, on that and you
have to kind of sometimes look down into yourself, and
go what is this triggering? In me?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Bingo bingo and what is?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
That belief what? Was that what is that belief in
me that that makes this like.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Raw exactly exactly? Upsets you are you feel defensive? About?
It right said that when you know all the, OTHER
stuff i do all this, for you and, that Yes
why i'm. Saying, that well that's also expectations in the
relationship and a healthy. Relationship communicating you talked about communicating
listening to the. Other person so heart math has to
do with measurable data showing how. Your emotions your field
(06:39):
of energy affects your, physical body all different areas of.
Your body, and scientifically it is the connection between the
heart and the. Thought process so thought is energy and thoughts.
Are consciousness what's in your? Consciousness field what are?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You? Thinking see this is so INTERESTING because i was
trying to think, of something not something to talk to,
you about but a way to phrase the QUESTION that,
I had and it is about THOUGHT and I think i,
ALWAYS say i do believe that we create our own
reality and everything that's coming at some point if you
(07:16):
can just stop and, go, whoa, Whoa whoa i'm. Doing
this this isn't that this is me And how but
if we create our, own reality and we can do
it just by focusing. On IT because i believe that whatever,
you want you can have or be or do whatever.
You want in. This life so how do you stop
focusing then on things like the anemic. Bank account you
(07:40):
Know what i'm saying that the bank account that looks
like it went on ozembic, scarcity, Everybody everybody and that's,
Like right so you feel that and then you start, to,
go well That's what i'm focusing on. Right now i'm
Worried and, i'm Scared and, i'm focused and that's where my.
Focus is and instead of sitting back and GOING and i,
(08:01):
DON'T know i started doing something called the five minute
journal in the morning where you're writing. Down things and
SOME days i have a, Hard TIME like i got
to sit there to go WHAT am i?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Grateful about so that's where you make it. Very simple,
You know. I'M grateful i can, See today I'M grateful i.
Came walk just go to, little things because that is
really what it's.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
All, About jesus you're, so, sorry right but you're. SO
right i just as you're, saying, that yeah you're.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So right comparing ourselves telling people is one of, the
triggers one of, the issues and. The tissues where did
you learn that you're not, good enough you're not? Worthy? Enough?
Right right so it goes back to the thought process,
and development, you know, emotional development going through the different
stages finding out. Your authenticity does that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Mean yeah your? AUTHENTIC self i know it's a, great
term right we hear that that manifestation or the two buzzwords,
right now?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right right and also you know recalibrating and a tune
that you get in tune or align yourself with. The
energy it's like the heck are they? Talking about all
it is is what's going? On inside what are you?
Feeling inside? What emotions and that's what heart math is.
All about about settling yourself in. Any situation it's about
(09:11):
changing you on. The inside and so what heart math
does as shows, us scientifically but it's really about building
your own a way of. Understanding things it is about
going withinside and changing the total chemistry of your whole
body and understanding that relationships, are important but the first
(09:33):
important one is with yourself and how are? You acting
how are you relating? To people and it affects every
area of. Our life and when you were just talking a,
MINUTE ago I was i kept, hearing, fear. Fear fear
where did you? Learn? Fear, yeah exactly. Exactly right it's
just like all the conversations we've had before about early
(09:55):
developments and how it affected you and the choices that,
you make and then and also now what's happening is
that this is a full worldwide change in the shift
of energy consciousness. Doing, things survival survival is, the key
is that everything is turning. Upside down and you know
(10:16):
sometimes you have to when when a, door closes another one.
Opens up but we're so fearful of going through, that
door of opening it or. It closing, we say in
that fearful mode, of survival oh. My god and then
it's it's the whack a. Mole effect it affects, this
emotion that, Emotion right and it's and THAT'S what i
say about integrated energy therapy or any type of counseling,
(10:41):
thought process how you relate. To things it is about
what have you? Learned inside and a lot of people
compare themselves with, other people and you're, you're unique, you're
authentic but we want to change the other person so
that we can do what we want. To do so
then you go back into the selfishness and you know
things that we learned, and say, Oh no i'm not.
(11:01):
Being selfish look At all i'm doing. For you but
it's really it's how important is a relationship and everybody
is important to, be heard to be, Listened to and
that's what the major counseling is. All about go, with
inside what's going on inside. THE person i want to
hear you, tell me and not try to change them
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or judge them or. Do differently, you know just because
you have a different life doesn't mean that they're not
as just.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
As, important well, YOU know i love the Saying, with
nike just do it and sometimes you just have to
do it right when you never have to.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Face, your fears you have to go through. It right
and if, you don't, nothing changes.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Nothing changes but if we also so, let's say, you
know just do it and see what's going.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
To.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
HAPPEN right i kind of took that approach with this
podley the podcast in general and buying the equipment and.
All that but on the, other side is there an
importance to if there's a little hesitation to try to
line up, with it line up up with? Your energy
KIND of, i don't and and it sounds because. It
is it's it's like a, metaphysical, Thing right you're trying
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to line up with energy and and and figure out
what's the. Right thing AND sometimes i don't know if people.
KNOW how i don't KNOW that i know how to exactly.
Do that let me give you. This example you get
invited to the family reunion and Drunk callkle harry is
going to, be there and he grabbed your wife's ass
at the, last one and she doesn't want, to go
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and you're and you're, really pissed and but your mom
will be pissed off if you, don't go and if
you don't if you can't show up, by yourself because
everybody wants to see, the kids and you got to
get your wife, to come and you get how do?
You write so how do you? Do that and then
my ONLY thing i can, think, is yeah you have
to try to get her to agree and then focus
(12:48):
ON what i. Would say and this, sounds nuts, is
like what are the attributes Of. Uncle harry, he's funny
he can, be nice he can, be generous he can,
be this and that you get more of that and
less of the drunk ass grabber than. The other do
You understand? I'm sying so it's almost like sometimes you
have to make the decision and then line up with,
the decision but look for the attributes that would be
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on the plus side than the negative side of.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The ring or another thing, is like why are you
going in the. First place it's not for, That uncle.
No going you're going to be with family and to
enjoy their company, and everybody even though you might not
have relationship them. Years ago, everybody, changes yes and as we,
get older the more we realize life is too short
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and how important Is it it's important to go to
the reunion to be able to connect with your. Family
member it's.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Important that it's funny you say that because we're recording
this on the day that the morning the Announced That robert.
REDFORD died, I know i see that he's eighty nine,
years old and, you go, you know there was SOMEBODY
who i think was like, incandescently handsome maybe one OF
the i mean, honestly right that was a guy who
tried to grid up his face and it just could
and do. It right in the seventies You Had jack
(14:04):
nicholson became a leading man and he was certainly not.
Pretty right he was slovy and scruffy and. All that
and you think Even de naro and stuff those who
became the. Leading men and this guy was just like
even when he tried to slub, it up he couldn't.
Do it just.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Was impossible eastwood and you know all the. Old ones
it's like, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Sad but, you, know right but he did such cool
things and was so for the independent films and THE
and i feel follow, the, Crowd NO and i feel
like like the Whole sun dance now has BECOME like i, got,
commercialized right, you know they're going to keep certain, films
out not certain. Films IN but i Felt Like robert
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redford's point was exactly what we're talking. About exactly every
voice needs to, be heard every art needs to. Be
seen everybody has a point of view that should be
have an opportunity to be seen by as many. As
possible you get to choose whether you want to see it,
or not but let's, put it give it a platform
that's a little bigger than, You, KNOW hey i made
(15:06):
a movie come to, my, backyard, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Right exactly and it's also when you think of how
did the movie come out in the, First place where
did that inspiration? Come from what is the whole purpose
of having? The movie and just like what you just
Said about. Robert referred everybody's individual, you know and give
them the chance to make. A, movie, yes yes give
them the chance to actually express themselves because it's all,
(15:31):
about individuality but it's also. About oneness and now think of.
That oneness we're all. Human beings we all have to make,
a living we all have to breathe and take care
of our families if we, have families and it's all,
about survival and what is the way you want? To
survive do you want to be positive or do you
want to? Be negative do you want to be happy
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or do you want to keep going and doing the
same thing and, feeling no?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Not happy right where pulling?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Panels exactly and then so that's where the mental stuff comes,
into play, you know. The consciousness what you're thinking is
what you get and if you can change, everything around
if you look at situations like you're talking about your
uncle about, the resentment where do the resentment?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Come from by, the way not a. TRUE story i made.
That up that's good to let. You know no one.
Regret anybody you, know what there may be a little
TRUTH that i think of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That well it could be it could be a female
that you were talking. About, IT no i just thought.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
OF it I just i could. See this there's. A picture,
never mind that's. So funny it's all.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
About relationships it's about how. You interact just like with
the couple in the, very beginning, you know him going
On on friday night not being. With her, it's, like
okay let's look at the real. Issue here she didn't
feel heard or listened to or. IMPORTANT enough i know it's.
It's deep. It's deep but it's, all, connected yes with
your thoughts and how. You respond but it does sound
like a lot of.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
This stuff HOW do i say this without sounding, you know,
you know like where. YOU would i think a lot
of it is. The individual you have to. Go inside
it's an.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Inside job everything is.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Inside job so when you're having, reiki done is it
working or does it? Not? Work, NOW no. I Understand
but i'm just saying like there are people WHO walking
i don't. FEEL anything i, Don't okay but is that
your resistance to it and not? Recognizing it and is?
There yes and if you go in and, Go boy
(17:35):
i'm having a hard time here. LINING up i need
something that's going to. Help me that conduit can help
you get back into. Your flow but you got to
go inside and Recognize who i'm having a hard, time
here and. That's it and and if it's, not reiki
if it's, talk therapy.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
If it's just if it's, a, massage, therapy acupuncture, you
know hands, on healing, you know pastors. Or, whatever, yes
yeah it's in what's. Happening here it is the flow
of quantum energy. Coming through and. The intention that's a.
BUZZWORD too a lot of people don't know what. Intention,
means well it has to do with what's? Your agenda
what do you really want? To achieve are you trying to?
(18:13):
Manipulate somebody are you really trying to? Help somebody and
the same. WITH ourselves, i mean are we going to
have a raiki session because my wife wanted me to
have it and this is the only way to save
the marriage OR DO i i really? ENJOY it i
just it's my. TIME piece i used to say, YEARS
ago i was so busy being in the, dentist chair,
just relaxing just. Totally ozoneing now is the TIME that
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i was able. To relax it's like. You're kidding in the,
dentist chair it was a time.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
For me now that sounds. VERY weird I think i
fell asleep in the dentist. Chair once.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's the way we look, at it but it. Could be,
you know as a child you re tortured going to
the dentists and, so no don't go to The DENT
when i was, a phlebotomus it was the same, thing about,
you know getting blood, work done and if the parent
has had the tear or over and, the trauma they
put it onto. The children oh he's just, like me,
you know he's just. Like me he's gonna and the
other kid, kids, going, no mom here we. Go again
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and then all of, a sudden the mom passes out
and then the child or the person because it was
it wasn't anything that was done. To them it was
the fear of the issues and, the tissues the imprint
of the energy that was in the. Cellular, structure yeah
it's all about choices going. Inside.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Energy yeah and so many things that we have in
life are learned behaviors exactly or, learned reactions which really
then goes is it nature? Or nurture how did you?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Learn it when did you? Learn?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It YEAH well i was. Really, young yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And what was it. Going on it's like you know the.
School system, you know years ago we learned how, to,
read write and rhythmic it be able to, do multiplications,
you know to be able to. Quantitly think and now
it's like the they have to have the they have
to have, the computer they have to have the calculator
to figure out. Things out and it's like and the
same with. The cursive why did the cursive go away
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and just printing? Come out so, it's like those are
the changes that we've seen over. The years why did?
THAT happen i. Don't, know well it's a change of
the frequency of what's happening in. The earth it's also,
good evolution but it's also what's the agenda? Behind it
what is the intention? Behind it think. About THAT so
(20:27):
covid was a, paradigm shift a shift, of consciousness meaning
things are going, to change but it had to lead
up to that. To change just like evolution, in medicine
what we knew two hundred years ago is not what we.
Know now and why did it speed up so quickly
in the last, hundred years the last? Fifty, YEARS yeah i. Don't,
know yeah well that's the change. Of energy how is
(20:50):
it coming in and it has to do with the
actual energy Of, the earth the frequency Of, the earth
and also How the sun is transmitting, the energy the
heat down to our. Electromagnetic field how do we respond. To,
things see.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's so weird because it sounds so, who, yeah, yeah
yeah but it's. All, scientific yeah it is because it's.
All here this is the stuff that. IS here i,
always say you never truck anything. In, here well if.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You look, at, THAT though i think, about that if
you're looking at your evolving and you're coming up with
proof that as, we're evolving just like we didn't come,
from apes and the reason why we have twenty three
chromosome instead of twenty four like the apes is it
has to do with a. Higher frequency it has to
do with, our, Creator right and a lot of people
don't want to believe that is because they have the fear,
(21:39):
of something, you know blockage. From religion, you know it's not.
About religion it's about your inside connectedness of who you
are as a. Divine being why are? We here where
do we? Come? From right so if you take a
look at, all that you can see the changes starting.
To happen and it just. Didn't happen it's been evolving for.
Some time the reason why it might not want to
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evolve to the truth is that it would people would.
Make money people would have, to change the books would have,
to change the cheaching would have, to change the education
would have. To change and a lot of, people, say,
OH no i can't. Do that i'm going to be.
All right so it's all. About people what, is scientifically
THAT'S what i like about the scientists that Really, go
okay let's look at all the new things that are,
(22:24):
coming out and a lot of times the new things have,
been out but society wouldn't let them out because then it.
Would change what would. It change it would change, the
academics it would change the financial people who were getting
who were controlling or get profiting from it wasn't going
to profit anymore because then everybody could.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Everybody knew and that's exactly what going back to, being authentic,
all right going back to we all have the power to.
Connect within we all are part of a. Bigger picture whatever.
It is we came. From somewhere but it's the miracle
in science of how, a seed, you know an egg
and a sperm come together and. It forms how did?
(23:04):
That happen how did? That happen so when you go back,
to science you can you can talk about the sacred
geometry and the molecules and atoms and how life. Actually
developed that's where we, can see we. Understand, it however intention,
and agenda where are they going to go? With this
JUST LIKE ai ai, is good it's the intention of
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the person that is produced IN. The ai but and
there is there's negative. And positive there we go with
the love and, the fear negative, and positive good, and
bad and it's coming.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Out NOW and i think it is sometimes. That simple
but we complicated with things and, they, GO well i can't.
DO that i got to get over here or the
kids or this. Or that but sometimes but it's making.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Balance balance it's, about, balance okay and. Also, Compromising okay i'll,
Do this i'll. Do that let's that's called, a relationship
a healthy relationship because everything changes Every, single yes you
have to be ready for. The changes and then what
you were talking, about, compartmentalizing right and what you have
to do same with multitasking women with multitasking men, with
(24:11):
compartmentalizing it's the, same, Thing right and what is really
good is when you put, it together when you put
it together and work together as, a team as, a,
Partnership right and that's what we, all want. Don't we
you don't want to, be, alone, No, right however it
doesn't mean that if you're alone that you're, not happy, Because.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
NO and i think you have to have that security
In yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And where do you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Get that to do that, from insight you got To,
get yeah so it's, ALL well I think i think
we just solved the world. PROBLEMS here i.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Don't know, you know it's all about what you put.
Out there, you know if you're going to look at
things as, you know, being bad then that's what's going
to come.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Towards you and IT'S like, i, hope yes, me.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Too excitement and the light is that there's always light
at the end of, the time as, THEY.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Say i think. SO too i also think that in
a very, weird thing if, you know there are a
lot of things that have, been said, so well but let's, say,
religiously right let go And. Let, god yes that's, One, right.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay that's what recovery work is all About.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
IT and i think that that's a really. GOOD thing
i would say to Anybody that i'm not completely sure
that human beings are capable of. Unconditional love i'm, not
SURE but i am pretty sure that the universe loves
all of, us, unconditionally, absolutely unconditionally. One divine so all
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that means is whatever, you believe it will. SUPPORT exactly
i don't, Have enough it will support. THAT exactly i,
Have enough it will. Support it be happy with what, you,
have yes and.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Gratitude lists. I'M happy i can open my eyes.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And, see well it's funny that you, say that because,
they go, all right that's. So simple but when you
say to keep, it, simple no but. You're right and
when YOU said i have legs, THAT work i started,
To think oh, MY gosh i watched, my father who
used to run and do all this stuff. Fall, continuously
yes and his legs. Didn't work they just his body
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wasn't working anymore to get up. AND go i. Got
this this is. A gift this is a gift.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To exactly AND when i share is all The things i've,
been through all the tragedy, and trauma and my family
all die and watching, them die and important things. In
life doing, hospice work the honor, of it seeing the
decline of a person and feeling sad because you knew
who they. Were before but also it's about you having
compassion for your. Fellow man have compassion. For, yourself first,
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go within find, peace within and then you can give
it out.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
T OTHERS and i have this weird, thing, like, go
oh you never get, it done you never get, It
wrong like stop beating yourself up ABOUT oh i shouldn't have,
done that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
The decisions beating, yourself up you never get.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It wrong all. About learning and it's a ride and
at the end of, the ride you're, not done and
you're just done in, this body this, this machine. This
machine and that's why it's a crude way to. Put
it but all we are are pumps, and, pipes right
you KNOW what? I mean think. About it how many
people do you know how to stint put in? Their?
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Heart why because the pipe was.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Clogged exactly and when they talk, about ascension everybody talks
that's a. Buzzword. Too ascension people think they're going to die,
Right now they're going to sound Just like. Jesus. Did
no ascension is building a higher frequency, withinside yourself in,
other words your spiritual knowing inside. Your abilities and that's what's,
happening now the shift. Of consciousness where is the connection?
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Between spirituality and when they hear The, Word, god jesus boot,
or whatever what are they going to react? Towards it,
you know it's all about not naming anything or putting
a label, on anything but really about going inside and
feel the power that you have inside and you can
take that power with you when you, pass over because
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your soul. Never dies that's the difference in.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
The, interest well, See that THAT'S what. I BELIEVE and i,
think sometimes, YOU know i don't want.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
To remember i'm. A, MINISTER yeah i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Want TO what i was gonna SAY is i don't
want to shit, on RELIGION and i, certainly DON'T but
i think that SOMETIMES if i think it would be
hard to argue that it wasn't a form. Of control
and if you look At The catholic church and all
the things that went on and the peoples whose lives
were damaged by actions that, people took where they covered
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up and they hid and they, did it and it
was all about control and property and that taxation and
you know All This and i'm not saying that there
aren't good people in that religion thing that come right with.
Proper intent i'm just saying that maybe you need to
step back and go it's really about again the inside
job you are. YOU are i really think the Message
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of jesus was. Messed up did you know THEN that
i am? The way no be, like me be like
you are, like me go. Like me you have, this
power you have it all in you.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And have compassion and have compassion, Exactly exactly, so cool there.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You go what else? Is happening and so what's going on?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
WITH me a lot of different things here once, a
month The first wednesday of. The month i'm actually part
of a conscious psychic development Class At. Mythic, Treasures Yeah mythic
treasures is a metaphysical Store, In henrietta Henrietta On, jefferson
road and mythic is everything about things you can't see,
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type thing but it's really About love god however you
want to. Practice it, of course it's got the bad
name of woo, woo stuff but it's. Really not and
so this class is. Psychic development class, is, Free okay
and the actual Owner Of, Mythic Treasures, sue stevenson actually
wanted three of us. Spiritual people we all come from
different walks. Of life. All right We Have, lady shira
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which is she actually is, a coach a, witch coach.
All right It's, not wika it's, not pagan it's like.
Her own she's. A reverend it's about, shadow work but
the light in. The dark then we have an, Actual
Medium colleen, irwine spiritualism and You Know lily dale and
(30:29):
all the other stuff and. Reading People and i'm more of,
the metaphysical metaphysical meaning the spiritual part of who, We
are where do we? Come from what's? Our divinity and
the three of us have a different way, of communicating
but it's all. The same it's all about who are
you inside your? Spiritual development how can you? Recognize it
and everybody learns in a, Different way JUST like i don't,
(30:52):
like TOMATOES so i eat. Something else. You know we
all have a different flare in, the buffet a buffet.
Of life and sometimes you like food want and you.
Don't another it's all about. Growth too so that's The
first wednesday of. The month we just started this. Past,
Month also i'm spitting all, over myself sorry. About, THAT
also i do private events, all right on all. Different topics,
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all right you can go to my website and check all.
That out but that is a lot of people just
want to talk it over with, their friends, you know
have a, get together have me come in for a
couple hours and let's talk. And questions a lot of people,
have questions so THAT'S what. I, do also OF course i,
have yeah and OF course i have, my sessions individual
sessions where we talk and we talk about, you know
(31:37):
what's no longer serve you and let's get. Them OUT
so i do energy work. On them but it starts
with talking just like listen to you, into, me see
having that intimacy to want to share what's really, going
on because a lot OF times i go to professionals
and it's like they don't. Want that what time, is it,
you know see you. Next week it's, like no let's
look on tools that you. Can use and that's the
difference being a. Metaphysical minister it's about, things unseen, all
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right and how can you change? Your life and then
OF course i have my classes integrated energy therapy where
you can actually learn how to do this, on yourself,
you know bring your consciousness. Field up and then also
unity field healing is about tapping into this higher divine
quantum energy that's here now.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And you can find all this and then met cart math.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
TEACH you i can teach you how to do, heart
math building yourself resilience, against stress changing your variability rate
of calmness so that in any situation you can be
calm or you can think about, it before keeping the
calmness and not letting your blood. Pressure rise it's about
doing yoga but without having to do a stretching.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Or whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You KNOW so i have a COMBINATION and i do
all this, stuff myself, YOU know i. HAVE to i
have sessions on myself all the time with, other people
and ALSO when i give a session, TO somebody i
get healed at the same time because my emotions and
stuff comes. Out too and that's the that is the
connection with, the compassion the figure, eight energy quantum energy
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coming through with the earth and how, you react think
and behavior. On, people right.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:24):
Welcome to another Installment Of. Bill LIGHTENMAN but i really
want to put this out on billified, as WELL because
i think there's so many things happening in the world
and time and stuff THAT and i have questions and thoughts,
and THINGS and i love It because sheila reached out,
and said we haven't done one in, a WHILE and,
i thought, you, know wow you've lost a lot. Of
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weight by, the way is that rude, to? Say wow
really getting healthy? Feeling, better yeah isn't? That nice got
a few more?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
To, go yes. It, is yeah it's nice being able
to reach down and. Doing.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So, YEAH right i got. You that that's. Pretty good
that caught me. OFF guard i just. LOOKED up i, was,
like wow the shell shell. Looks great so let's let
let's start with because you said you wanted to talk about,
heart math but we started kind of on our own
and we were talking about why would you know how
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did go back to school? For me come? Out RIGHT
and i, said that, you know here's, the THING and
i was, reading, ABOUT well i gave you the story as,
to Why and i've said it on the, podcast before
and it just seemed to just come about serendipitously that, you,
thought well HOW do i say no? To this And
now i'm going in over my head in SOME areas i.
(02:45):
Don't know but we were talking about to person, focused
THERAPY which, I said i like because it sort of
lets the person come to their. Own conclusion you're not
telling them. The wrong their feelings. Aren't wrong there isn't.
Anything wrong and THE example i used was a guy
who just got married and then he decided that he
likes going out for beers On a friday with his buddies,
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after work and his wife would get anyed and he needn't,
understand why and, he's, LIKE listen i don't. Get it
it's just me blown. Off steam and then the next session,
he says, You know i've been thinking about this, a
LOT and i realized SHE thinks i value my friends,
over her and, he's like that's not. The case and,
you know but it really comes down to communication in
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a relationship is. So important, Eat RIGHT but i just
think when you think of the relationship between the person, and,
life right that's always coming. At you it's really how
do we handle all? That stuff and we've seen a lot,
of changes and you've been saying there's going to be
a lot, of changes And so i'll leave. It THERE
(03:48):
and i know you wanted to talk about some, heart
MATH and i think that all kind of fits.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
In here how about, the consciousness the thought process of
the emotions of what. Is happening so, you know the
wife kind of concerned that the friends was? More important?
Was her it was bingo? Right there but it's like
we don't we justify our actions and not really understanding
what is happening within. The relationship it's all about listening
(04:14):
to the person you know from. The heart and that's
what heart math that's.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
All. About okay so and what is THAT because i
hear you say heart, Math okay and there's the Heart.
Math institute that is some.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Heartmouth institute it is about learning to connect with your.
Heart intelligence heart intelligence mean it has, a brain it
has more, brain set it has more cells in it
than the. Actual brain and your heart is what, starts beating,
you know when they first see that there is an
embryo there and it's the heart that. You see so
the heart starts first and then. It develops and in,
(04:46):
heart math it's all about building resilience against stress and
trauma and. Going within so whenever we talk about, going
within it's an. Inside job our whole life is an.
Inside job so we need to really take a look
at our. Own lives are? We happy if we're, not
happy why are? We unhappy SO what i do as
an energy practitioner is is help people understand what's going.
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On inside what are the choices that? You're making, You
know and a lot of it is relationship stuff and.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
PROFESSIONAL stuff i think a lot of, times too we're.
SO conditioned i feel, Like TWO and i know that
a lot of times we seem to say the, same
things maybe in. Different, ways yeah and we need.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
To we need to people to. Understand it but?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What right So what i'm saying is like so many
times we look for our happiness from external sources and
really it has to come from. Within you and that's
so easy, to say but, then again, you know here
comes somebody and if they only just, BEHAVE differently i
would feel so. Much better and that's not that's, Not
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possible and you can't really assert, on that and you
have to kind of sometimes look down into yourself, and
go what is this triggering? In me?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Bingo bingo and what is?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
That belief what? Was that what is that belief in
me that that makes this like.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Raw exactly exactly? Upsets you are you feel defensive? About?
It right said that when you know all the, OTHER
stuff i do all this, for you and, that Yes
why i'm. Saying, that well that's also expectations in the
relationship and a healthy. Relationship communicating you talked about communicating
listening to the. Other person so heart math has to
do with measurable data showing how. Your emotions your field
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of energy affects your, physical body all different areas of.
Your body, and scientifically it is the connection between the
heart and the. Thought process so thought is energy and thoughts.
Are consciousness what's in your? Consciousness field what are?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You? Thinking see this is so INTERESTING because i was
trying to think, of something not something to talk to,
you about but a way to phrase the QUESTION that,
I had and it is about THOUGHT and I think i,
ALWAYS say i do believe that we create our own
reality and everything that's coming at some point if you
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can just stop and, go, whoa, Whoa whoa i'm. Doing
this this isn't that this is me And how but
if we create our, own reality and we can do
it just by focusing. On IT because i believe that whatever,
you want you can have or be or do whatever.
You want in. This life so how do you stop
focusing then on things like the anemic. Bank account you
(07:40):
Know what i'm saying that the bank account that looks
like it went on ozembic, scarcity, Everybody everybody and that's,
Like right so you feel that and then you start, to,
go well That's what i'm focusing on. Right now i'm
Worried and, i'm Scared and, i'm focused and that's where my.
Focus is and instead of sitting back and GOING and i,
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DON'T know i started doing something called the five minute
journal in the morning where you're writing. Down things and
SOME days i have a, Hard TIME like i got
to sit there to go WHAT am i?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Grateful about so that's where you make it. Very simple,
You know. I'M grateful i can, See today I'M grateful i.
Came walk just go to, little things because that is
really what it's.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
All, About jesus you're, so, sorry right but you're. SO
right i just as you're, saying, that yeah you're.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So right comparing ourselves telling people is one of, the
triggers one of, the issues and. The tissues where did
you learn that you're not, good enough you're not? Worthy? Enough?
Right right so it goes back to the thought process,
and development, you know, emotional development going through the different
stages finding out. Your authenticity does that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Mean yeah your? AUTHENTIC self i know it's a, great
term right we hear that that manifestation or the two buzzwords,
right now?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right right and also you know recalibrating and a tune
that you get in tune or align yourself with. The
energy it's like the heck are they? Talking about all
it is is what's going? On inside what are you?
Feeling inside? What emotions and that's what heart math is.
All about about settling yourself in. Any situation it's about
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changing you on. The inside and so what heart math
does as shows, us scientifically but it's really about building
your own a way of. Understanding things it is about
going withinside and changing the total chemistry of your whole
body and understanding that relationships, are important but the first
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important one is with yourself and how are? You acting
how are you relating? To people and it affects every
area of. Our life and when you were just talking a,
MINUTE ago I was i kept, hearing, fear. Fear fear
where did you? Learn? Fear, yeah exactly. Exactly right it's
just like all the conversations we've had before about early
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developments and how it affected you and the choices that,
you make and then and also now what's happening is
that this is a full worldwide change in the shift
of energy consciousness. Doing, things survival survival is, the key
is that everything is turning. Upside down and you know
(10:16):
sometimes you have to when when a, door closes another one.
Opens up but we're so fearful of going through, that
door of opening it or. It closing, we say in
that fearful mode, of survival oh. My god and then
it's it's the whack a. Mole effect it affects, this
emotion that, Emotion right and it's and THAT'S what i
say about integrated energy therapy or any type of counseling,
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thought process how you relate. To things it is about
what have you? Learned inside and a lot of people
compare themselves with, other people and you're, you're unique, you're
authentic but we want to change the other person so
that we can do what we want. To do so
then you go back into the selfishness and you know
things that we learned, and say, Oh no i'm not.
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Being selfish look At all i'm doing. For you but
it's really it's how important is a relationship and everybody
is important to, be heard to be, Listened to and
that's what the major counseling is. All about go, with
inside what's going on inside. THE person i want to
hear you, tell me and not try to change them
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or judge them or. Do differently, you know just because
you have a different life doesn't mean that they're not
as just.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
As, important well, YOU know i love the Saying, with
nike just do it and sometimes you just have to
do it right when you never have to.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Face, your fears you have to go through. It right
and if, you don't, nothing changes.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Nothing changes but if we also so, let's say, you
know just do it and see what's going.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
To.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
HAPPEN right i kind of took that approach with this
podley the podcast in general and buying the equipment and.
All that but on the, other side is there an
importance to if there's a little hesitation to try to
line up, with it line up up with? Your energy
KIND of, i don't and and it sounds because. It
is it's it's like a, metaphysical, Thing right you're trying
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to line up with energy and and and figure out
what's the. Right thing AND sometimes i don't know if people.
KNOW how i don't KNOW that i know how to exactly.
Do that let me give you. This example you get
invited to the family reunion and Drunk callkle harry is
going to, be there and he grabbed your wife's ass
at the, last one and she doesn't want, to go
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and you're and you're, really pissed and but your mom
will be pissed off if you, don't go and if
you don't if you can't show up, by yourself because
everybody wants to see, the kids and you got to
get your wife, to come and you get how do?
You write so how do you? Do that and then
my ONLY thing i can, think, is yeah you have
to try to get her to agree and then focus
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ON what i. Would say and this, sounds nuts, is
like what are the attributes Of. Uncle harry, he's funny
he can, be nice he can, be generous he can,
be this and that you get more of that and
less of the drunk ass grabber than. The other do
You understand? I'm sying so it's almost like sometimes you
have to make the decision and then line up with,
the decision but look for the attributes that would be
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on the plus side than the negative side of.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The ring or another thing, is like why are you
going in the. First place it's not for, That uncle.
No going you're going to be with family and to
enjoy their company, and everybody even though you might not
have relationship them. Years ago, everybody, changes yes and as we,
get older the more we realize life is too short
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and how important Is it it's important to go to
the reunion to be able to connect with your. Family
member it's.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Important that it's funny you say that because we're recording
this on the day that the morning the Announced That robert.
REDFORD died, I know i see that he's eighty nine,
years old and, you go, you know there was SOMEBODY
who i think was like, incandescently handsome maybe one OF
the i mean, honestly right that was a guy who
tried to grid up his face and it just could
and do. It right in the seventies You Had jack
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nicholson became a leading man and he was certainly not.
Pretty right he was slovy and scruffy and. All that
and you think Even de naro and stuff those who
became the. Leading men and this guy was just like
even when he tried to slub, it up he couldn't.
Do it just.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Was impossible eastwood and you know all the. Old ones
it's like, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Sad but, you, know right but he did such cool
things and was so for the independent films and THE
and i feel follow, the, Crowd NO and i feel
like like the Whole sun dance now has BECOME like i, got,
commercialized right, you know they're going to keep certain, films
out not certain. Films IN but i Felt Like robert
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redford's point was exactly what we're talking. About exactly every
voice needs to, be heard every art needs to. Be
seen everybody has a point of view that should be
have an opportunity to be seen by as many. As
possible you get to choose whether you want to see it,
or not but let's, put it give it a platform
that's a little bigger than, You, KNOW hey i made
(15:06):
a movie come to, my, backyard, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Right exactly and it's also when you think of how
did the movie come out in the, First place where
did that inspiration? Come from what is the whole purpose
of having? The movie and just like what you just
Said about. Robert referred everybody's individual, you know and give
them the chance to make. A, movie, yes yes give
them the chance to actually express themselves because it's all,
(15:31):
about individuality but it's also. About oneness and now think of.
That oneness we're all. Human beings we all have to make,
a living we all have to breathe and take care
of our families if we, have families and it's all,
about survival and what is the way you want? To
survive do you want to be positive or do you
want to? Be negative do you want to be happy
(15:51):
or do you want to keep going and doing the
same thing and, feeling no?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Not happy right where pulling?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Panels exactly and then so that's where the mental stuff comes,
into play, you know. The consciousness what you're thinking is
what you get and if you can change, everything around
if you look at situations like you're talking about your
uncle about, the resentment where do the resentment?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Come from by, the way not a. TRUE story i made.
That up that's good to let. You know no one.
Regret anybody you, know what there may be a little
TRUTH that i think of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That well it could be it could be a female
that you were talking. About, IT no i just thought.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
OF it I just i could. See this there's. A picture,
never mind that's. So funny it's all.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
About relationships it's about how. You interact just like with
the couple in the, very beginning, you know him going
On on friday night not being. With her, it's, like
okay let's look at the real. Issue here she didn't
feel heard or listened to or. IMPORTANT enough i know it's.
It's deep. It's deep but it's, all, connected yes with
your thoughts and how. You respond but it does sound
like a lot of.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
This stuff HOW do i say this without sounding, you know,
you know like where. YOU would i think a lot
of it is. The individual you have to. Go inside
it's an.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Inside job everything is.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Inside job so when you're having, reiki done is it
working or does it? Not? Work, NOW no. I Understand
but i'm just saying like there are people WHO walking
i don't. FEEL anything i, Don't okay but is that
your resistance to it and not? Recognizing it and is?
There yes and if you go in and, Go boy
(17:35):
i'm having a hard time here. LINING up i need
something that's going to. Help me that conduit can help
you get back into. Your flow but you got to
go inside and Recognize who i'm having a hard, time
here and. That's it and and if it's, not reiki
if it's, talk therapy.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
If it's just if it's, a, massage, therapy acupuncture, you
know hands, on healing, you know pastors. Or, whatever, yes
yeah it's in what's. Happening here it is the flow
of quantum energy. Coming through and. The intention that's a.
BUZZWORD too a lot of people don't know what. Intention,
means well it has to do with what's? Your agenda
what do you really want? To achieve are you trying to?
(18:13):
Manipulate somebody are you really trying to? Help somebody and
the same. WITH ourselves, i mean are we going to
have a raiki session because my wife wanted me to
have it and this is the only way to save
the marriage OR DO i i really? ENJOY it i
just it's my. TIME piece i used to say, YEARS
ago i was so busy being in the, dentist chair,
just relaxing just. Totally ozoneing now is the TIME that
(18:36):
i was able. To relax it's like. You're kidding in the,
dentist chair it was a time.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
For me now that sounds. VERY weird I think i
fell asleep in the dentist. Chair once.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's the way we look, at it but it. Could be,
you know as a child you re tortured going to
the dentists and, so no don't go to The DENT
when i was, a phlebotomus it was the same, thing about,
you know getting blood, work done and if the parent
has had the tear or over and, the trauma they
put it onto. The children oh he's just, like me,
you know he's just. Like me he's gonna and the
other kid, kids, going, no mom here we. Go again
(19:07):
and then all of, a sudden the mom passes out
and then the child or the person because it was
it wasn't anything that was done. To them it was
the fear of the issues and, the tissues the imprint
of the energy that was in the. Cellular, structure yeah
it's all about choices going. Inside.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Energy yeah and so many things that we have in
life are learned behaviors exactly or, learned reactions which really
then goes is it nature? Or nurture how did you?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Learn it when did you? Learn?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It YEAH well i was. Really, young yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And what was it. Going on it's like you know the.
School system, you know years ago we learned how, to,
read write and rhythmic it be able to, do multiplications,
you know to be able to. Quantitly think and now
it's like the they have to have the they have
to have, the computer they have to have the calculator
to figure out. Things out and it's like and the
same with. The cursive why did the cursive go away
(20:04):
and just printing? Come out so, it's like those are
the changes that we've seen over. The years why did?
THAT happen i. Don't, know well it's a change of
the frequency of what's happening in. The earth it's also,
good evolution but it's also what's the agenda? Behind it
what is the intention? Behind it think. About THAT so
(20:27):
covid was a, paradigm shift a shift, of consciousness meaning
things are going, to change but it had to lead
up to that. To change just like evolution, in medicine
what we knew two hundred years ago is not what we.
Know now and why did it speed up so quickly
in the last, hundred years the last? Fifty, YEARS yeah i. Don't,
know yeah well that's the change. Of energy how is
(20:50):
it coming in and it has to do with the
actual energy Of, the earth the frequency Of, the earth
and also How the sun is transmitting, the energy the
heat down to our. Electromagnetic field how do we respond. To,
things see.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's so weird because it sounds so, who, yeah, yeah
yeah but it's. All, scientific yeah it is because it's.
All here this is the stuff that. IS here i,
always say you never truck anything. In, here well if.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You look, at, THAT though i think, about that if
you're looking at your evolving and you're coming up with
proof that as, we're evolving just like we didn't come,
from apes and the reason why we have twenty three
chromosome instead of twenty four like the apes is it
has to do with a. Higher frequency it has to
do with, our, Creator right and a lot of people
don't want to believe that is because they have the fear,
(21:39):
of something, you know blockage. From religion, you know it's not.
About religion it's about your inside connectedness of who you
are as a. Divine being why are? We here where
do we? Come? From right so if you take a
look at, all that you can see the changes starting.
To happen and it just. Didn't happen it's been evolving for.
Some time the reason why it might not want to
(22:02):
evolve to the truth is that it would people would.
Make money people would have, to change the books would have,
to change the cheaching would have, to change the education
would have. To change and a lot of, people, say,
OH no i can't. Do that i'm going to be.
All right so it's all. About people what, is scientifically
THAT'S what i like about the scientists that Really, go
okay let's look at all the new things that are,
(22:24):
coming out and a lot of times the new things have,
been out but society wouldn't let them out because then it.
Would change what would. It change it would change, the
academics it would change the financial people who were getting
who were controlling or get profiting from it wasn't going
to profit anymore because then everybody could.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Everybody knew and that's exactly what going back to, being authentic,
all right going back to we all have the power to.
Connect within we all are part of a. Bigger picture whatever.
It is we came. From somewhere but it's the miracle
in science of how, a seed, you know an egg
and a sperm come together and. It forms how did?
(23:04):
That happen how did? That happen so when you go back,
to science you can you can talk about the sacred
geometry and the molecules and atoms and how life. Actually
developed that's where we, can see we. Understand, it however intention,
and agenda where are they going to go? With this
JUST LIKE ai ai, is good it's the intention of
(23:26):
the person that is produced IN. The ai but and
there is there's negative. And positive there we go with
the love and, the fear negative, and positive good, and
bad and it's coming.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Out NOW and i think it is sometimes. That simple
but we complicated with things and, they, GO well i can't.
DO that i got to get over here or the
kids or this. Or that but sometimes but it's making.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Balance balance it's, about, balance okay and. Also, Compromising okay i'll,
Do this i'll. Do that let's that's called, a relationship
a healthy relationship because everything changes Every, single yes you
have to be ready for. The changes and then what
you were talking, about, compartmentalizing right and what you have
to do same with multitasking women with multitasking men, with
(24:11):
compartmentalizing it's the, same, Thing right and what is really
good is when you put, it together when you put
it together and work together as, a team as, a,
Partnership right and that's what we, all want. Don't we
you don't want to, be, alone, No, right however it
doesn't mean that if you're alone that you're, not happy, Because.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
NO and i think you have to have that security
In yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And where do you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Get that to do that, from insight you got To,
get yeah so it's, ALL well I think i think
we just solved the world. PROBLEMS here i.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Don't know, you know it's all about what you put.
Out there, you know if you're going to look at
things as, you know, being bad then that's what's going
to come.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Towards you and IT'S like, i, hope yes, me.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Too excitement and the light is that there's always light
at the end of, the time as, THEY.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Say i think. SO too i also think that in
a very, weird thing if, you know there are a
lot of things that have, been said, so well but let's, say,
religiously right let go And. Let, god yes that's, One, right.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay that's what recovery work is all About.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
IT and i think that that's a really. GOOD thing
i would say to Anybody that i'm not completely sure
that human beings are capable of. Unconditional love i'm, not
SURE but i am pretty sure that the universe loves
all of, us, unconditionally, absolutely unconditionally. One divine so all
(25:38):
that means is whatever, you believe it will. SUPPORT exactly
i don't, Have enough it will support. THAT exactly i,
Have enough it will. Support it be happy with what, you,
have yes and.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Gratitude lists. I'M happy i can open my eyes.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And, see well it's funny that you, say that because,
they go, all right that's. So simple but when you
say to keep, it, simple no but. You're right and
when YOU said i have legs, THAT work i started,
To think oh, MY gosh i watched, my father who
used to run and do all this stuff. Fall, continuously
yes and his legs. Didn't work they just his body
(26:14):
wasn't working anymore to get up. AND go i. Got
this this is. A gift this is a gift.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To exactly AND when i share is all The things i've,
been through all the tragedy, and trauma and my family
all die and watching, them die and important things. In
life doing, hospice work the honor, of it seeing the
decline of a person and feeling sad because you knew
who they. Were before but also it's about you having
compassion for your. Fellow man have compassion. For, yourself first,
(26:41):
go within find, peace within and then you can give
it out.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
T OTHERS and i have this weird, thing, like, go
oh you never get, it done you never get, It
wrong like stop beating yourself up ABOUT oh i shouldn't have,
done that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
The decisions beating, yourself up you never get.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It wrong all. About learning and it's a ride and
at the end of, the ride you're, not done and
you're just done in, this body this, this machine. This
machine and that's why it's a crude way to. Put
it but all we are are pumps, and, pipes right
you KNOW what? I mean think. About it how many
people do you know how to stint put in? Their?
(27:19):
Heart why because the pipe was.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Clogged exactly and when they talk, about ascension everybody talks
that's a. Buzzword. Too ascension people think they're going to die,
Right now they're going to sound Just like. Jesus. Did
no ascension is building a higher frequency, withinside yourself in,
other words your spiritual knowing inside. Your abilities and that's what's,
happening now the shift. Of consciousness where is the connection?
(27:44):
Between spirituality and when they hear The, Word, god jesus boot,
or whatever what are they going to react? Towards it,
you know it's all about not naming anything or putting
a label, on anything but really about going inside and
feel the power that you have inside and you can
take that power with you when you, pass over because
(28:05):
your soul. Never dies that's the difference in.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
The, interest well, See that THAT'S what. I BELIEVE and i,
think sometimes, YOU know i don't want.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
To remember i'm. A, MINISTER yeah i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Want TO what i was gonna SAY is i don't
want to shit, on RELIGION and i, certainly DON'T but
i think that SOMETIMES if i think it would be
hard to argue that it wasn't a form. Of control
and if you look At The catholic church and all
the things that went on and the peoples whose lives
were damaged by actions that, people took where they covered
(28:39):
up and they hid and they, did it and it
was all about control and property and that taxation and
you know All This and i'm not saying that there
aren't good people in that religion thing that come right with.
Proper intent i'm just saying that maybe you need to
step back and go it's really about again the inside
job you are. YOU are i really think the Message
(29:03):
of jesus was. Messed up did you know THEN that
i am? The way no be, like me be like
you are, like me go. Like me you have, this
power you have it all in you.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And have compassion and have compassion, Exactly exactly, so cool there.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You go what else? Is happening and so what's going on?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
WITH me a lot of different things here once, a
month The first wednesday of. The month i'm actually part
of a conscious psychic development Class At. Mythic, Treasures Yeah mythic
treasures is a metaphysical Store, In henrietta Henrietta On, jefferson
road and mythic is everything about things you can't see,
(29:43):
type thing but it's really About love god however you
want to. Practice it, of course it's got the bad
name of woo, woo stuff but it's. Really not and
so this class is. Psychic development class, is, Free okay
and the actual Owner Of, Mythic Treasures, sue stevenson actually
wanted three of us. Spiritual people we all come from
different walks. Of life. All right We Have, lady shira
(30:06):
which is she actually is, a coach a, witch coach.
All right It's, not wika it's, not pagan it's like.
Her own she's. A reverend it's about, shadow work but
the light in. The dark then we have an, Actual
Medium colleen, irwine spiritualism and You Know lily dale and
(30:29):
all the other stuff and. Reading People and i'm more of,
the metaphysical metaphysical meaning the spiritual part of who, We
are where do we? Come from what's? Our divinity and
the three of us have a different way, of communicating
but it's all. The same it's all about who are
you inside your? Spiritual development how can you? Recognize it
and everybody learns in a, Different way JUST like i don't,
(30:52):
like TOMATOES so i eat. Something else. You know we
all have a different flare in, the buffet a buffet.
Of life and sometimes you like food want and you.
Don't another it's all about. Growth too so that's The
first wednesday of. The month we just started this. Past,
Month also i'm spitting all, over myself sorry. About, THAT
also i do private events, all right on all. Different topics,
(31:15):
all right you can go to my website and check all.
That out but that is a lot of people just
want to talk it over with, their friends, you know
have a, get together have me come in for a
couple hours and let's talk. And questions a lot of people,
have questions so THAT'S what. I, do also OF course i,
have yeah and OF course i have, my sessions individual
sessions where we talk and we talk about, you know
(31:37):
what's no longer serve you and let's get. Them OUT
so i do energy work. On them but it starts
with talking just like listen to you, into, me see
having that intimacy to want to share what's really, going
on because a lot OF times i go to professionals
and it's like they don't. Want that what time, is it,
you know see you. Next week it's, like no let's
look on tools that you. Can use and that's the
difference being a. Metaphysical minister it's about, things unseen, all
(32:03):
right and how can you change? Your life and then
OF course i have my classes integrated energy therapy where
you can actually learn how to do this, on yourself,
you know bring your consciousness. Field up and then also
unity field healing is about tapping into this higher divine
quantum energy that's here now.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And you can find all this and then met cart math.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
TEACH you i can teach you how to do, heart
math building yourself resilience, against stress changing your variability rate
of calmness so that in any situation you can be
calm or you can think about, it before keeping the
calmness and not letting your blood. Pressure rise it's about
doing yoga but without having to do a stretching.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Or whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You KNOW so i have a COMBINATION and i do
all this, stuff myself, YOU know i. HAVE to i
have sessions on myself all the time with, other people
and ALSO when i give a session, TO somebody i
get healed at the same time because my emotions and
stuff comes. Out too and that's the that is the
connection with, the compassion the figure, eight energy quantum energy
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coming through with the earth and how, you react think
and behavior. On, people right.
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