From Glaciers to Forgiveness - Snowmobiles, Stevie Nicks & the Search for True Intimacy - Billified: The Bill Moran Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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mix in some vodka.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
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in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dots jeep Ram.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, hello and welcome. Thank you for getting your pawn on,
Thanks for telling a friend, and that's how we spread
the word about the pirate ship. My man, it looks
like you escaped from prison to days ten stripes everywhere?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
As jowing out?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Billy man, I gotta tell you, like I completely I
never do this. I mean I completely shut it down.
Like I I didn't do anything. I didn't do laundry,
I didn't. Oh, I did food off a little bit.
I guess I did that, But I mean I really

(01:04):
just shut it the flip down. Yesterday I slept and
I rested, and I there's a part of me that
always feels guilty because if I were to being honest,
there is a lot of shit that I got into
and I got it too fast, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
But you know what though, if you do that for
six days, you're allowed to take a seventh day off.
That's the idea. I know, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm just saying, like so today it's like I gotta
get back in it got my list going yet anyway,
I don't want to get too weird.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Good you got, you got.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
You took a day off.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Shut it down the first day off you had what
like four years, I don't know, it's quite a while.
You can't remember, that's the point.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
But I've shut it down like that. You know, I've
shut it down like that. But then I uh, I
mean part of a text thing like my sister will
not take her kids, she and her husband will not
take them to Disney, and it's a big It's like
a big deal because I think the kids are now

(02:06):
of an age where they are curious and want to
go and other friends there's have gun but instead they
do these trips. So they are leaving Iceland and on
their way to Copenhagen, and then from Copenhagen they're going
to the beaches of Croatia. And my sister sends a
picture this morning of her hand. They were on a

(02:27):
snowmobile trip on a glacier and I guess they were
going fast around a hairpin turn and I'm thinking it
was her daughter was on the back of the snowmobile
and she leaned the wrong way, Yeah, because you want
to lean into the turn, not out of the turn.
And I think tried to lean out of the turn

(02:48):
and it ended up flipping. And my sister's hand is
all banged up. Man, it's bad. It looks bad. And
she said her shoulder. No she's an oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
No, she's gonna answer.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
They were leaving and heading wherever they are next. But
I'm like, damn, I mean it looks bad. It like
it looks really banged up in bruise, man. And here
and I'll show you, like this is it? This is
from the snowmobile.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, it's pretty puffy, isn't it. It's like what somebody
blows up a glove and somebody blows up like a
prophylactic not a prophilectic glove, like a rubber glove, and
then like you know, like, oh look it's a it's
a balloon. That's kind of what it looks like your
little fingers hanging out.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
So I'm like, oh, Disney would be a little bit better,
wouldn't They had to show off and go go to Iceland,
goofy like August. That sounds like it is kind of
it's a it's a little weird.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
God blessed they have the money to do that because
Iceland's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, they got Yeah, they got the means.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I always thought it was funny, like you go to
the beaches of Croatia, like they just whenever they settled
their land, agree with Bosny. It's like, okay, we get
to keep the coastline. So if you ever look at
a map of Croatia, it's like Bosnia is getting the
stiff arm from the ocean, like, no, you can't get
our beaches.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
The beaches of Croatia are supposed to beautiful.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, well they kept it together.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I don't know what the uh. I've never been beaches.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
In basketball that's a Croatia's known.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I wouldn't even think of the beaches of Croatia like
I saw on the CBS Sunday Morning Show this morning.
It was I think it was like repeat stuff that
they were just kind of recycling by summer. Yeah, I
think I saw excuse, man, I think I saw some
of this already. But they were doing a woman who

(04:36):
has a bucket list, right, and she's checking all these
things off her bucket list, and there was even like
an eighty something. You're a woman who wanted to go
one hundred and thirty miles an hour in a car
around a racetrack, and so she got to drive one.
And I guess the AARB has like its own make
a wish Seriously, I don't know, it's like if it's

(04:57):
before I die or I'm not sure what it's called,
but it's like it's like it is. It's it almost
has the same logo. It's like, make a wish for
old folks. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of cool. I guess that's.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
The people in the middle that suffer.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yes, So she got to to do the thing, and uh,
but this other lady doesn't. I got it. I wouldn't
put her. I put her my age, maybe a little
bit older. And she's been to seventy countries. She tries
to check up all this stuff off her bucket list,
and she's probably single, which I always go, wouldn't you
rather have somebody to do that stuff with? You know,

(05:32):
I'm I'm realizing that having somebody who I guess I
never really knew the term partner in a relationship, you
know what I mean? Yeah, But somebody that you can
lean on they can lean on you. Well, yeah, but
it goes deeper and that and that the intimacy because

(05:54):
a lot of a lot of us when we go
well they were they were rather intimate. We know what
that means, right in terms of sexual stuff. But to me,
intimacy is so much deeper. It's knowing the feelings. It's
being able to sort of read the energy of the person.
It's having a connection that goes beyond like sex sexual stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Being able to sort out.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Sex you can have with anybody. Intimacy, I don't think
it can.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, being able to sort off their pills.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, or there are supplements or whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Right, But funny, you were overdoing it, aren't we. I
hear that every week.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Okay, we're going to get into that to the little Islex.
It's coming up on this episode, trust me. But the
I when I'm watching that, I go, boy, wouldn't you
rather have somebody to do all this stuff with? That
you can have these adventures that you can talk about
remember when we were blank or that funny thing that happened,
because you know, and it's just somebody to share it

(06:47):
with me.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I don't know, like what I would be able to, like,
I've bet that. I have gone on several trips. In fact,
we're going to later this month, we're going back to
New York. Uh huh to watch the Yanks. Terrible but anyway,
we're gonna watch them. But I can't imagine doing that
by myself without having somebody with me to sharing those moments.
You know, there's nobody else i'd rather be with, And
there's nobody else i'd rather share that with than her.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
She doesn't say the same thing. There's no I'm I
have no idea. But yeah, I was getting text last
night from the Killers.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Oh really yeah? Greg?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
No, no, but Greg was Greg was in the picture
but not no, oh yeah. And then I got other
people videos. But I didn't see any Buffalo bills there, Okay,
I don't. I don't think they. I saw the song
being performed, but I did not see a bill on stage.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
A lot of people were afraid to go because of that.
They thought it would be a crap show with the
bills and everything else. And I'm like, I just go,
Who cares.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
They did do a thing where they dropped like red
and Blue Confettia did see that.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
That's cool?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Uh, in support of the Bills, But I did not
see whether or not. I didn't see any Bills players there.
And they had practiced this morning, and I'm sure they.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Are they're practicing when I drove by.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah so, But I but to have somebody to do
all this stuff. But I go, man a bucket list
like Croatia isn't a place I go. I want to
go to the Maldives.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't remembere that is, I'm not sure I do either.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
It looks so you're up Asia Asia, Okay, yeah, it
looks great. And then there's some place called the Mexican Maldives.
I'd like to go there, you know, I'd like to.
But I have a lot of plans. I I don't
know if it's the urgency of someone like my dad

(08:35):
dying or it or what it is. It's been this
way for a little while for me. But I feel
like now I'm inspired to take action where I not
necessarily was for a while. Yeah, I can't understand, you
know what I mean, Like you're all of a sudden,
You're like, well, fuck it, I gotta I gotta, I
gotta do it. I just gotta go do it. I
just gotta make I gotta make it happen. But uh yeah,
the Croatian I wouldn't think of doing. Yeah, when you

(08:57):
and Beth travel, is it a is it a good thing?
Is it a thing?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
That's a good thing? Yeah, although she does leave me
around like a seeing eye doc.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
No, no, no really yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Because like me, I'm just kind of like looking around it. No,
don't cross the street here, Yes, that's where in Austin once. Yes,
that's Vince Young's bar. That's great, yo, let's let's stop
watch the crosswalk. Okay, now let's cross the street. God. Yeah,
because I'm like I'm in Austin, Texas, like, oh, look
at this, oh Stevie ray Vaughan. Oh yeah, that's great, Honey,
we need to cross the street now. No wait, wait,

(09:27):
hold on, hold on, Well.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I guess you found the right person. Yeah, right, like
she yeah, you know, as long as she doesn't mind
doing that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's like if you were a billy Joel saw she
sorts out my pis. Yeah, make sure I eat right.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's funny. I watched The Billy.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I Don't get hit by cars in the night.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I watched The Billy Dole. The second half of the
Billy Joel document document documentary. Well, I was gonna say docuseries,
but I guess documentary is the right term because I
don't think there's any more after this thinking because it
says on your Thing, season one, episode one, Season one,
episode two, I didn't realize he's now married a fourth time. Yeah,

(10:08):
And it was weird because the Christie Brinkley. I must
have dozed off as to how that dissolved, because that
seemed at least well, look, she was doing a lot
of what we do today in the eighties. She had
a camera on them a lot, just personal video. There
are times that that woman doesn't even have makeup on

(10:29):
or she's not made up like a model. So it
wasn't a vanity thing. I think it was strictly because
she just loved being around him and really liked him
and all this stuff. And I think it was the
drinking that really ruined the marriage, his drinking and almost
ambivalence to things. And she loved going on the road

(10:50):
and taking the kid on the road. I mean she
talked about it, she goes, I loved our road family.
She seemed like a really cool woman, like just you
know what I'm saying because don't forget. It's like she's
a supermodel, you know what I mean. She could get anybody.
She could get anybody, and for whatever reason, she chose
to spend her time with you. And I don't know happened.

(11:12):
But then he gets married after that, and it was
some young chick that I forgot he was married to
and she's just like and the drinking continued.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yes, he didn't stop, didn't he crash his car and
then Christy like put out some heartfelt message to get
him to stop drinking. After like this is like, oh
he's in the third marriage.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
But then that.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
But here's the thing I had. My question is like,
because I go, I know people who say to me,
I would never like I've had I've heard more women.
I haven't heard guys say this so much. I know
I would never tie in with a man. Again, doesn't
mean I wouldn't be in a relationship, but I would

(11:55):
never tie with a man, which makes me go, hmm,
what you say. But others have said, yeah, I would
never be in another relationship. I don't want to be
with anybody, and I don't know what that is. I
feel like part of your longevity is the connection to people.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, like they say, people who are married live longer, right.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And I think I wonder if Billy Joel's still alive.
Here's the fucked up part. Like you know, his one
of his songs I absolutely love is Vienna Waits for You,
And it was really that's where he found his dad.
His dad just disappeared when he was a kid, that
his parents divorced and his father, you know, went back
his I think his great his grandfather had escaped through

(12:41):
Switzerland because they were Jewish and they were living in
Germany and they identified as Germans but they knew and
so they got out through Switzerland and the old his
old man was over here and just did not like
America to felt like there was still anti Semitism and everything,
and went back and lived in Vienna and had got married,
had another kid. Yes, Billy has a brother, brothers, and

(13:03):
that guy's a conductor of a classic, like a classical.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Or in the family.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, yes, And then don't forget Billy Joel did his
own classical album.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I remember him being on Letterman and Letterman saying to him, so,
I guess you got enough money then, because he's like,
he goes, uh, you know any new albums or anything
like that. He goes, now, I've been working on some
classical music. He goes classical music. Really, so I suppose, uh,
you got enough money? Then he gets no, one fine, right.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Wait, well, didn't he lose a ton of money too?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Think I don't know his probably no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes.
It was his ex brother in law was his manager.
It was the previous administration's brother who he stayed friendly
with and let operate. But the guy was buying Christie's Like,
we would travel, we would be up in Maine. They
would go to Maine a lot. Billy liked Maine, and

(13:53):
so they were up in Maine and somebody's like, hey,
you just bought property by us. You just did this.
She's like, no, he didn't know. He didn't. And then
she's like, Billy, something's up. And he had an audit
done and I it was millions, millions, And that's when
he's like, I gotta go back on the road. I
got a tour. I gotta do this. And I think
that really put a strain out.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
And then and then like the part did they cover
this in the documentary that he had to fire all
his bandmates and bringing new people. He is that was
covered and hired Gun.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
We're all hired gun. And it makes it look really ugly.
They are softer in this one, but it was she
probably had no. It was a new producer who said,
I love the singer, I love the writer of the songs,
I love the piano player. I don't like anything else. Oh,
he said, I feel like the band is just going

(14:42):
through the motions. And he goes, I want to bring
in my own guys, and he brought in different guys
and yeah, and you even see. I was gonna say,
Tito Torres, isn't he the drummer for Bonjovisico tores Ico Torres?
But who's there? I thought there was.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Joey had a bassist they had to fire because he
just wasn't.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
No, but I'm trying to think this is the drummer
of Billy. Joel is in the document docuseries and he
talks about when they he covered him.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
He kept him along for for longer than the rest
of them, maybe, and eventually he said goodbye to him too.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
No, I think they all got it. Looked like they
all got the acts at once.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
No, no, no, most of them got the accent. He kept
the drummer. And then the drummer went on a couple
more tours, and then he starts getting calls like, you know,
our friend Greg always gets calls for tickets from people. Yeah, okay.
This guy was like, hey, you got Billy Joe's go
back on tour. Can you get me tickets? He goes,
he is, and that's how he found out that Billy
Joel had moved on from him.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, so he was.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
They pulled him along for a while, then they got
rid of him too.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
All right, I don't I'd have to see. I did
probably doze off because.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It was only so much. This is from this is
from the Hired Gun documentary. That's where I got this yesterday.
I just and no drinking, know anything. I just want
that made abundantly clear.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
But that's a true day. Here's my question. Can you
get if it didn't work out three times in a marriage?
Are you going for number four?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Depends if you're addicted to having somebody?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, but couldn't you.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Just as Taylor Johnny Carson, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I understand, but why the marriage piece? Why not just
have some lifelong companion.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Why not Brick Flair tried to do it? Even that
blew up?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Why not? Goldie Hawn's style isn't isn't Olie Han? Goldiehan?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, what's his name?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Go to Pittsford and look around. You're gonna see a
lot of oldie. But wouldn't you know? I don't know.
I'm saying, like, would you try to stay with somebody? Look,
you're more of a religious guy than I am.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I'm a Christian.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
You could say that, yeah, But I was gonna say
religious in terms of, you know, uh, the sanctity of
marriage and that sort of thing. I I don't know
where I stand. I think marriage should be respected as
a union. I'm not saying I would never get married again,
and that's not that's not the case. Uh, But I

(17:01):
I would even if the person said to me, why
don't we just, you know, live together, I'd be like,
all right, I'd be cool with that. I don't need
the thing. And I'm watching Billy Joel and go boy.
Each time you had to lose some money, didn't you
You had to lose money?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
But then there comes that whole like, well, when you're
Billy Joel, you're a target. I don't care like anybody
like Billy Joel becomes a target. And when women start
throwing themselves at you, you're eventually gonna get attached to
somebody and then they're gonna play the whole game. Will
don't you trust me? Don't you trust me? And if
you're if you're not strong enough in yourself to maintain hey,
hey look I'm not getting married again. Or if you

(17:37):
want to sign a prenup, that's fine. You know, it
all depends on what they hang over you. Everybody's got
a weakness. And I wonder if with Billy Joel, it
may be that longing for someone well you believe you
could love and trust.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
You see a lot of childhood, any of us. You
see a lot of childhood trauma, a lot of like
dad not around, trying to find dad. He had to
go find his father's father never came to find him.
You know. They did have somewhat of a relationship, Mom
very involved, but still like you know, and so I
wonder if it's that. But I'm trying to think, like,

(18:15):
do you go for a fourth time? Now? He goes
for a fourth time and he has kids, two little girls,
and he's in his seventies now, and I go, that's
a lot. I mean that that's a lot. And he says,
but now I can really be there, and I put
all my focus on being the parent. I couldn't. I

(18:36):
couldn't really be for Alexa because I had to go
on the road because that's when we found out I
had no money anymore. You know, it's like what so, Yeah,
I don't know. I'm just saying, like the marriage part
of it, I don't know. I'm not sure if I
could go like four times. You know, I know some
people that, you know, why did you get married? Health benefits?

(18:59):
I don't know for one case.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, uh, I mean it's you know, they there's a
lot of Since Elon's taken over X or Twitter and
called it X, there are a lot of people who
out just put out these threads, these informational threads to
get clicks and whatnot, and a lot of them you
can learn a lot from and a lot of it's
a lot of fluff. And one of the common threads
is men going their own way. In other words, they're

(19:22):
basically these are men telling other guys and young men listen,
you have everything to lose in a marriage. She has
everything to gain, so why would you bother?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Mm yeah, I don't. I don't necessarily see that. I
know what I know.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
And the explanation is just like, uh, you know, if
you're the one bringing in the money, she's gonna take it.
If you're the one like like.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
The only wundah.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, it could be, but more often than not this I.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Mean, I know of only it's weird, right, I know
of two cases where the wife is had to pay
Hey the husband the ex husband. Yeah, I know of too.
Off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Now, these are guys talking about their own issues. Probably
this is rare.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's a very rare thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, it's like like men aren't men. Men don't get
unconditional love, you know, they have to provide nuts. But
that's their point though, Yes, that's their point.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Now the company gets unconditional love.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Put it in the case.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
That is such a bunch of bs. Human beings are
not capable of unconditional love. I don't care what anybody says. Okay,
it will always be. No, seriously, it'll always be. I
would love you if you just did this and change, right,
That's that's not that's conditional.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I don't think I don't know if it's it's one
hundred percent that way. I think there are conditions. I
don't think it's always that way. However, you know, at
the same time, in a Billy Joel situation, there's got
to be something where he has to feel committed to somebody.
But it sounds like he's the cause of the divorces,
not the other person.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Probably necessarily probably I think like.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Like Paul McCartney had, like was married to Linda, They
were love, she died. He moves on to this young
model with one leg, and she took him to the cleaners,
you know, and it was like it sounded like it
really wasn't him so much as it may have been her.
We don't, you know Billy Joel's case, it seemed like
every woman wanted to give him a chance, but he

(21:16):
just drank.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
His way out of the last So the third.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I'm not judging the guy. It just sounds what that's
what sounds like.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
By the way, every one of these women is in
this docu series.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh yeah, because they probably still love him.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I think there's a great respect for him. And that's
a very good point that you make, a very.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Garry Bradshaw talks about I've been married. I've been married
three times, three wonderful women. For some reason, I screwed
it up. He's had he's had issues, emotional issues.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Can't imagine that playing football in your head. Bell run
you know, in fact, when they didn't protect quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right, But I mean, like that's just you know, he goes,
he takes all the responsibility for the divorces. So I'm
sure those women still love him.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
But so all of these women show up and the
and the third one is so still so young looking.
And she said, I turned to Billy at one point,
I said I'm not happy, and he goes, you want
a divorce, And she's like, oh yeah, I guess, and
he goes, all right.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
He really wasn't that into it.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, she said, I was young. I wanted to go out.
I wanted him with me. I wanted to go out
to different places, at different club He didn't want him.
He was older, he didn't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Right, there's a gap. Yeah, Sidbad talks about it. This
is this is why you know, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I want to tag clad, but I I just wondered
in my head, do you go for the fourth like
the fourth one, man, you're getting up.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So many guys have done it, though, Jesus, you get
that age they've done it.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's like an Olympic ring. She hot, He's like, come on,
so but he did. There's gotta be some type it
seems very wonderful.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
You have to feel like there's some type of incomplete,
incomplete work to your legacy that you feel the need
to do that.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, I can say this. The last his current wife
was very successful on her own, and don't forget Christy
Brinkley was very successful. His first wife became his manager.
She was very successful and driven and really kind of
kept things together for him. Then you had Christy Brinkley,

(23:17):
obviously right, making her own money and stuff. I don't
know about the third woman, but she certainly probably you know,
very independent. And then the last one, I think she
was just the chief financial officer for a big company
or something. But so these weren't. So you're not talking
about that's the thing is like to your point of

(23:39):
women throw themselves. I don't think any of these women
were like desperate for Billy. I think they liked Billy Joel.
I think they liked the music.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I think they like talk the guy is the guy
is charming. Oh my gosh, he sounds like a guy
you want to hang out with.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, it's like, hey, come on, yeah, all guys named Bill.
All right, we'll take.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Billy Buffaloes out there.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Absolutely absolutely. Uh why don't we Dutch Linton? Well yeah,
oh Bill Clinton, charmers girls. You know that Billy Bill Murray. Yeah,
yeah right, fun, fun, nice to be around. Uh well,
let's see. Uh well, no, I know, but Billy uh,
Billy Bush from the.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Billy Bush Billy bus tonight.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, okay, charming guy got fucked over and that whole
Trump thing grabb him by the pussy. Yeah that was him. Yeah,
he really that's an interesting story. I'd love to get
Billy Bush on to tell that story. That is a
fucking story. It like cost him everything. Then you had. Uh,
let's see other billies. I'm gonna think of more billies. Oh,

(24:49):
Billy Squire, fun guy, you know he is kind of
a jerk. Well now, wait, Kano please, I yelled at
Cano back in the day. I think that Billy Squire
cost himself his career because he came out in a
pink T shirt and a video on MTV.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Oh Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, I forget what it was there.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
My advice was based on you know, but there was.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Something with him in like a pink tank top and
he was doing more of a ballad. It just sort
of tanked his thing. But Billy Squire, cool guy. Uh,
let's see, Uh, Billy Bob Thornton.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean, I want to take these mash protatos homely.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I'm just saying it could be fun. All right, We'll
take a moment. Uh, why don't we get into We'll
talk a little bit about the Buffalo bills because I
know there's some concerns, but Marv Levy turns one hundred
yes the day we're taping this, and uh, let's talk
about health span over lifespan. Health span over lifespan. We'll
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crazy child.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
You're so ambitious for her juvenile But then, if you're
so smart, tell me, why are.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
You still so afraid?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Where's the fire? What's the hurry about? You better cool
it up before you burn it out. You got so
much to do and only so many hours.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
In a day.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
But you know that when the truth is told that
you can get what you want, or you can just
get or you're gonna check off before you.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Even get halfway.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
When will you realize Piena waits for you?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
There you go?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
He just you know, like people compare him to Elton
John because they're both piano players.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yes, but even Elton that relationship we got rocky because
he Elton said he was drinking too much. Yeah in
a Rolling Stone article. Yes, Billy got really hurt.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
He did, and then they lost contact. They stopped talking
for a while. But you know what's funny is that
I had the privilege once of remember the old bar
of the Crystal Barn in Rochester. Yeah, close years ago
when I worked for Whim. They had these smokers, they
had like cigar smoking, and Steve Tasker was a gust
of Vonna. I got to sit next to Steve. So
we're talking. Elton John and Billy Joel were touring together,
I think again, and he talked about seeing them live

(28:45):
and he goes the difference between Elton John and Billy
Joel is just showmanship, right, Elton can perform, he has
a savant when it comes to the piano, but he
can't write his own lyrics. That's why he needed Bernie
Taup And like, he's not that kind of writer. He's
he could compose. Billy Joel and the other hand, is
like more of an entertainer, but he writes all his
own songs, so his soul is coming through the lyrics

(29:07):
of those songs. And that's kind of the I mean,
they're both talented in their own specific ways, but I
mean Billy Joel, you could hear his soul coming out
through the music.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I had the Billy Babes and Beer fraternity when I
was in college.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Was it Billy Joel, Billy Joel music, Yeah, beer and
chicks coming over, babes and hanging out.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Wow, Billy babies and beer.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
They had that Fisher That's Fisher's Loan fraternity that ever continued?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
No, I never did. And I carried it with me
to Fisher, I.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Think, yeah, yeah, and then you left, you left with it.
I took it with you.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I took it with me, Billy Babes and beer.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
And then then that became your bat blue period.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, I thought I did that's when I got fired
and all that. Yeah I did. That's a funny thing. Uh.
Marve Leevy turning one hundred today.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, they honored him with the Hall of Fame yesterday.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah what happened yesterday? Did Josh Allen set some record
for a thrower the longest distance? I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I'm not a chance to look at any sports today
or yesterday.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
But well, what's going on with you?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
No? So my wife and I took my mother in
law out to dinner, and then we went and watched
a yacht rock band at an establishment place called Buns,
and they were great. They were great, and they're all
dressed up like like like the love Boat, you know,
but they're hysterical. They did a great job. And so

(30:26):
I haven't had the change. So then after that we
got holed. I went to bed, I got up and
went to church, came here.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, got you.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I didn't dress like this for church, so I had
pants on and anywhere I hat. I went home and
changed real quick and came here. So I haven't had
a chance to look at this stuff other than a
couple of tweets. Yeah, but I did see while we
were watching the yacht rock. They got TV's up right,
and it's always funny. There's either sports or some like
forty eight Hours Mystery where you're watching the clothes caption. Well,
I hope they find this guy. But they showed Marv

(30:53):
Levy being honored and acknowledged by Bill Polly and Jim Kelly,
Thurman Thomas and James Lofton at the Hall of Fame.
Wish him a happy Hunter birthday, but I couldn't. But
there were no close captions, so I don't know how
they if they Chris Berman like introduced them, I don't
if they say happy birthday to him. But yeah, every
year at the Hall of Fame they always think of
the happy birthday because his birthday's always Hall of Fame weekend.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Ah uh huh okay, well he uh one hundred and
I go, we're I feel like these days because we
often say when we look at pictures, we go, man,
fifties looked so old or forty looks so old back then,
And I don't Carol o connor.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Was forty six when he did All in the Family
forty five. Yeah, do I look like Carol O'Connor, No,
I know.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But so that's that's the things like we say that,
but he lived to be in his eighties. And I
just wonder if people are putting living better, not just longer.
And we've got there are fitness routines that actually benefit
your body. We know a little bit more about science.
We know a little bit more about diet. We know

(32:02):
what what does help and doesn't hormones, energy, how important
sleep is, how important things like your doctor might miss right,
and and and sort of being on your being your
own health advocate. How important that is I don't know.
And then and then you go to your supplements.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, you have to be the CEO of your own health,
even with your doctor.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, you have to.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Like like like Tony Robbins talks about how he had
a brain tumor in his head. They want to perform surgery.
He goes, No, if you perform surgery, it's gonna put
me out a commission, all this other stuff. I don't
even know if it's gonna work. You could disable me
for life. Hey, let's try this. He talked the doctors
into the treatment that he got and he ended up
like you know, working itself out. And that's how he
learned how to like, you know, get into fitness and

(32:50):
supplementation and better health because of that experience with his
brain tumor.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, I feel like and I and I don't know
if this is necessary really true, but muscle is the
new longevity drug. We're seeing the benefits of resistant training.
We'll call it weightlifting, but resistant training because if you
do bands or anything else, it's it's it's very similar.
And I think like our mental health, it's so it

(33:16):
is so important. Yes too, wait, or we're more cognizant
of it. I still think it becomes like a budo
with my mental health. But I do think that there
is some some truth to that. Oh yeah, and being
aware of that. I think anti inflammatory diets have helped.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yes, I think, well, inflammation is really the age the
age driven killer. It's inflammation. It will cause inflammation, bad diet,
bad mental health. You start to worry, your body gets
flooded with corsol. Oh, something's wrong, and that creates inflammation
in the body, which makes you sick. And inflammation isn't
just pain, it's a lot of things. It leads to

(33:54):
obesity and other stuff you know create you know, it's
your body trying to compensate for things it doesn't have
or doesn't isn't work, you know, is deficient in. That's
why you need to eat healthy and exercise, you know,
and live with an attitude of gratitude. No serious, no,
if you're thinking if your gratitude, if you're grateful, you

(34:15):
can't be anxious. While you're thinking gratitude, you can't. You
can't be anxious.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah. I always agree with that, and that's why I think, like.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
So always be grateful. Yeah, you'll never be nervous.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
That's why I think your your buddy Jesus was misinterpreted
on a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
He's been misinterpreted for two thousand.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But I think there's a lot of things that Jesus
was saying that people have taken and made. Uh, I'll
give you one, turn the other cheek. I don't think
turn the other cheek was about forgiveness. I think it
was about changing your thought both this thing that's bothering
you so much, is bringing you down so much, turn
the other cheek and think about something else. And I

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think that that is really what he was trying to say.
Cross got it, no go ahead, he went.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
To the cross. I mean it was it was you know,
it turned the other cheek was like an active like forgiveness.
Like you ever heard the two miles? Like if you were,
I forgot the explanation. Uh the let's put it this way.
You ever heard go of the second mile? You know,
in other words, hey, somebody go the second mile of somebody.
If they make you go one mile, go two with them,
just to show them. Hey, look, yeah, I'll forgive you man.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah the extra mile. Uh can we realize?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay? All right?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And I'm not saying all of this does play into it, right,
And we talk about the blue zones, what they got right,
what they didn't get right, And it's it's dietary, it's exercise,
it's all those things. It's keeping you mentally sharp. Marv
Levy at one hundred, My point being, do you want
to live to be one hundred? The answer for all
of us is yes, because we don't. We're not one

(35:50):
hundred percent certain of what's next. I think that's the
fear of the things. That's where faith comes from. That's
all that. But I would say that do you want
to live to be one hundred? If you can still,
you know, be one of those guys who enters the
old people Olympics and you're sprinting, right, that would be great,
and even.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Don't have a companion with your a wife.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, I mean if you can go, if it takes
you thirty seconds to go one hundred yards, that's fine,
you know, because I think the fastest people in the
world are like nine nine point eight and eight something.
That would be great. But the other stuff is.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Do you want to live to be one hundred and below?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well, I mean I watched my old man. You know,
you get Parkinson's and this and that. That makes it tough.
So I don't know. So why you're he prepared?

Speaker 1 (36:35):
He prepared for the end of his life.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Who did your father? What are you talking about? Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:38):
He worked out, he lifted weights. He I mean, I remember,
like ten years ago you were talking about him. He
showed up at your you know, he shows up for
Jackson or Jordan's birthday or Jamis's birthday. And then you
guys had no idea that he checked it at a
hotel the night before worked out the iron butterfly, Like
we didn't come over, No, I was working out. Yeah,
yeah he did, that's true. But he but he made
he had a point.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Totally forgot he had a.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Point of like working out and take it.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
But I mean, look, I think that that that probably
gave him more quality years and stayed off the Parkinson's
a little bit. I mean, they do boxing things. But
let me go to the forgiveness part, because I do
think that that's a big thing. I would say, if
you hold grudges and you're an angry person, that stuff
brings in disease in your body, which would be disease

(37:24):
right after a while. So but can you really forgive?
And here's where I've come to with forgiveness and now
and and you tell me, well, no, you don't love
me anymo, I think that I don't. I'm not a
big fan of the term forgiveness. I think things happen.

(37:49):
I don't think people ever really forgive. I think we
can get over it. I think we can have a
different perspective on the situation. I think that sometimes people
use really people like I don't know, Bill Moran, we
were saying all the great things about bills, but they
can be real assholes. UH can use very coarse language

(38:09):
when they're angry, and that's something that that can really
cut to the quick of people.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
A lot of bills I know, like alcohol.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And but I think also like
all of them, Oh there is in one.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Even Billy Buffalo the other day had a beard, didn't
he Yeah, he was over at Thirsties.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah. Listen to Billy Joel talking to babes and having
a beer. Yeah. So I think, like I I yes,
I believe we can move past things and like pick
up and realize whatever happened happened and it doesn't matter.
But is that what forgiveness is? Because I think some

(38:50):
I think a lot of people want this big maya
coupa of I'm so sorry that I blah blah blah,
when you know, maybe are maybe. I know that's a
big part of recovery for people. Part of the twelve steps.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Is the sixth step.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I don't know what number it is, but they go
and they apologize for wrong things, and I guess it's
just recognizing what you did. But to me, I think
time and distance. I mean, even in the Billy Joel documentary,
he wound up stealing his buddy's wife and then tried
to commit to suicide twice after that and then married

(39:27):
the woman so and and they were hurt. The guy goes, yeah,
I was hurt for a while, but again I go.
Do we say forgive because that's the only word we have.
Do you really forgive? Or you just realize you know
what that was then, and I don't care and my
life turned out great, or may all everything happens for
a reason, and I still really care about you, I

(39:49):
still love.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
This is deep. This is deep because you know it's coming.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
This is how my head was coming.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, mine came out from a spiritual perspective because I've
had a look at it this too. If I haven't
forgotten about what's happened to me, Does that really forgiveness?
And the Bible says yes, because you got to be
aware of what somebody is capable of, so that you
don't trust them beyond you forgive them. You let it go,
You let it go yourself. Jesus forgave you by dying
on the cross and runting again, So now you need

(40:17):
to forgive everybody else. Okay. At the same time, you
still need to be aware of what that person can
be capable of, so you don't trust them with those
feelings in your heart, with this emotional bank account that
you had, that you don't put too much stock in
them because they can hurt, like the expression fool me
twice for me want shame on you, fool me twice,
shame on me, or as President Bush once saying you're
not gonna film me in a second time. You know,

(40:38):
So you gotta be aware of those things. Like Billy
Joel may have forgiven. I'm just using this as an example.
He may have forgiven his ex brother in law who
stole his money, but he's never gonna trust him with
his money again. I think. So there is this fine
line you can forgive people like I hope people forgive
me for all the stupid things I've done.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I remember, I'll give you a story, tell you that
you did.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Oh dude, I know, I know. Oh gosh, just I
don't even want to remember it. But I remember, actually,
a couple of weeks ago, I don't even think the
guy realized that I'm getting in the elevator. My wife
is playing in a Bob Seeker tribute and you have
to take an elevator to go up to this place.
It's called Whiskey's Upper Deck. And the guy in the

(41:22):
elevator who hops on with his young blonde girlfriend is
the same guy who my ex wife that'sed around with
on me. Whoa, yeah, wait, he may have known it
was me in the in the elevator. Wait wait wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait the guy she
left me for?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh really, Yeah, he wasn't that young though.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
He's all sixty.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
He was like fifty something when it happened. Oh okay,
I mean he's probably beyond sixty. He looks good.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
He's got a young blonde chick now.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, yeah, she's at least she's younger than me. I
know his daughter, I don't think so kiss cousins. She
look like a daughter. Okay, but I and I remembered
like that, and I laughed about it, like you know,
I like, I remember, I was so angry with this dude. Yeah,
but then I realized, what all the stupid things you've
done in your life?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Well, it's not that. It's like I think a lot
of times we get mad at the at the wrong person. Yeah,
in that situation, it's your wife, I get. I got
a guy who wants to You know.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
We're all men. The best of men are men at best.
We all do stupid things, and we're given the same
set of circumstances. How many of us passed the test? Right?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I got a situation in my life that of I
can't not well, yeah, recently I guess that I just go.
I don't want that situation anymore. It doesn't work for me,
you know, and all this stuff. I have no ill
will towards anybody. But I just go. I think boundaries

(42:58):
are healthy, and that's the difference. It's like, I can forgive, yes,
I understand, but I get it. But but but but
this is the bound But.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
It reminded me. It reminded me, and I'm like, you know,
you should just tell him thank thank you. Well you
just tell him thank you, Yeah, because he did you
have favor. Well yeah, if we just looked at forgivenesss hey,
thank you for the lesson. Yeah, well that's all it is,
and thank you for the lesson. It is. That's always
guess what. I've hurt people too in my life, intentionally

(43:28):
or not. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And so I'm so stupid.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I put my Lord and Savior on a cross, and
he forgave me and brought me into his family. I
I can't, dude, I can't hold a grudge against anybody
at that point.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I always think that you never get it wrong. No
matter what's happened, you never get it wrong. We we
live and things go on, And the other part of
that is you never get it done. Because you're an
eternal being. You're going to go on and on and
on and some form. So I don't try to sweat

(44:03):
these things too much. I would think that your feelings
are your your guidance, you know when something's right or wrong.
I think you need to honor your feelings. I think
a lot of times people are staying relationships too long
because they don't want to hurt somebody, and then that
just makes everything worse.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
And you know, and I stayed in a relationship like
way too long once. Yeah you know, you know who
I mean. It was like years ago.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
But we I just think like after a while, you
start to see and the most attractive thing I think
for anybody is someone who is doesn't My dad used
to say to me when I was a kid, you
shouldn't need anybody but you to want to be with
that person, right, So you shouldn't need them, right, And uh,

(44:49):
you shouldn't need anybody, right. And so I think a lot
of times, yeah, I mean and I always say and
I said it as funeral, and I've said here is
I you know, I I always appreciate the time people
give you. You don't know how much time you have
or won't have on this planet. And as we were
there saying go about it, my dad, I said, you know,

(45:09):
I appreciate everyone, everybody who came here today for giving
you the gift of us, the gift of your time.
But I I'm not. I don't know when it comes
to forgiveness and stuff. It's like, yes, I think it's
a nice concept for humans to absorb. I just don't
think it's really there. I think we just move past thing.

(45:30):
I think time here's the thing. There is you ready,
You're ready for fucking weird. There is no time. It's
always now. It's always right now, yeah, always yeah right.
So there's no time. There's no time like the president,
not no time like the present. There is no time.

(45:50):
It is always right now. That's a whacked out thing.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
No, I get it.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Okay. So everything we see and everything we do is
from a different perspective. So when you were looking at
a situation, you're looking at it from a different perspective.
You're older, we know, we can say twelve time, but
you're a different it's a different perspective on things. And

(46:15):
I think that a lot of times when we say
time and distance heals all wounds. I think that's really
true because you have a different perspective and you look
back and go, God, that was silly. That was so
angry about that. And that's why I think a lot
of times you got to go deep inside yourself and
find the beliefs and the things. And I did not
expect it to have any of these conversations today. Dan,

(46:36):
find those things that are stopping you, blocking you, the
beliefs that you have, and realize some of it's bullshit.
How many things have happened where you look back and
you go, what was I doing? What was I thinking?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh? Why was I so angry about this?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Why was I so stupid? I'll tell you what. I
look back at our time together doing a show, and
there are times now where I wish I had laid
down my sword against management a little bit, just a
little bit, because they weren't bad people. No, they weren't
bad people at all.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
They were a tough spot.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
They're just just trying to, you know, do a thing
and protect and I come in fucking hot and I'm gonna,
oh yeah, and I'm hot, and but I was pissed
because for whatever reason anyway, it doesn't matter, but maybe
it was misplaced anger. And I look back now and
I go, yeah, I wish I because you had relationships,

(47:28):
you wish you had treated it better, handled it better.
And again it's a lesson.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Like I think I've told you on this show about
a few years ago, you know, like the Lord really
convicted me about forgiveness, and I'm like, Okay, write down
every person you don't think you've forgiven. Do you remember
how many people I wrote down? Sixty people?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Was I on that list?

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You were at one point not not not at that
point like years before, like you know, like can Steve
Buscemi and Billy Madison crosses somebody off the list when
you might be on the podcast like okay, go on,
but no, no, but no seriousness. And I told myself
every time you think back to something where you got screwed,
number one, go look in the mirror. And number two,

(48:10):
look at this list. These are all the goose, the
ghosts and ghules you're carrying around with you because they're
not thinking about you, Dan, They're not thinking about you.
They're not thinking how they hurt you. You're the only
one who's dealing with it. So let it go. And
by the way, Jesus forgave you, that's the most important thing.
Number two, you got issues. Number three, you're the only
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(48:31):
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look at the life you have. Now, look at how
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Speaker 1 (48:58):
It's all like all we need is like just keep progressing, progressing,
keep moving forward. Man.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, that that's that's you can't yeah, right, but try
to be present and everything's a lesson and you learn
a lesson and you move.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Nobody ever wins a race looking backwards. No, you can't
you got.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
To keep moving forward, man, I didn't. I didn't.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, but no, I like these conversations Bill.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well, I do too. And that's uh.

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Next, We're going to solve world hunger.

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I have an idea, you know, all right, we'll take
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Speaker 2 (52:02):
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to get to his forgiveness part where he sings. Forgiving,
look there's truggles we went through.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Love and he lost.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
You how come nobody covers down hell these.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Voices i'm one of those rare people who Like Don
henley's solo stuff better, Leaguers.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
YEAH i did. TOO i like to.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Love could a? Mission?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Pick but a.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Mission sometimes.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Sometimes less sad understand Those this song sum up.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Life, Yeah, john get down the height of the man's.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Week and then.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It is even if you don't love, me.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Such a great.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Song, yeah there you go, forgiveness forgiveness it comes. Out
that's the heart of that's the heart of the. MATTER i.
WAS i was just Thinking Don henley Didn't Did Don
henley do a song With Stevie?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Nicks, Yes leather And? Lace was that?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Him or was that. Was that was that she did
want With. Tom, no she wasn't the one With.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
TOM i think it was leather and.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Lace, YEAH i think you're, Right.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
BECAUSE i. SAW i don't know. WHY i tried not
to look at my phone a lot at, night and
THEN i wind up looking at my phone and.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Helps what blue blocker? Glasses that, way the blue light's
not affecting your, Sleep. Plater, oh, well after six o'clock
you should be wearing blue. Blockers i'm not.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
JOKING i know you're not. Joking all, right six o'clock
kids tided to put on our blue blockers.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Up you know?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
What you know what mom did she put on her
cock blocker. Tonight, no you're blue, blockers, bitch you're blue.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Blockers jameson's got The creed Abdul jabbar basketball blue, Blockers,
Dan i'm blocking. Shots Don henley and Uh Stevie Stevie.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Nicks let me just see IF i can, wait say
The song Of man they had a romantic. RELATIONSHIP i
remember they. Did, yes, Okay So leather And lace was the?
Song you are? Correct this is that was nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
One this is Post Linda.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Buckingham she Had, Okay i'm starting to think that there's
nobody of that era that she didn't. Fuck AND i
think that's wonderful because if it were a, dude we'd
all be, like, yeah, man if it's a, woman people
kind of raise an. Eyebrow BUT i happened to hit

(55:12):
TikTok or something like, that or a blue, BLOCKER i don't.
Remember and she pops up and she's talking on stage
about How Jimmy iovine was producing one of her solo
albums and it took three, months and she said she
was in a relationship With jimmy and had moved in

(55:34):
with him and, everything And i'm, like holy, fuck, man
this broad is.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Great but here's the, thing is like you could go your.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
OWN i Think Stevie nicks just loved so. INTENTLY i really.
Do oh, YEAH i don't think that she was LIKE i,
mean because we would say slot and bounce.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Them.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Dude do you remember when unplugged was a. Thing, yeah
and then they couldn't do unplugged with, everybody so they
had to have all these extra like others shows like
Would springsty couldn't do on play he had a plug
back in at the last. Minute SO vh one Does Fleetwood.
Mac they get the band together, right and now everybody
could sing like they used, to so they put the
backup singers in the. Back you could barely sing them

(56:13):
but see, them but they're. There when she goes to
sing Silver, spring, okay and people forget, this like if
you grew up in the, nineties you thought that was
a song from the. Seventies everybody, Here, no it was
A b side To go Your Own, Way and it
didn't make the cut on The rumors, album the very
Famous rumors album consider one of the top ten albums.
Ever and she was devastating because that song was her

(56:34):
response To Lindsey. Buckingham and when she sings the song On,
stein you gotta go back and watch the. Video she
is intently singing To Lindsey buckingham and he's kind of
like looking, away like you can't look at, him but
she is passionately singing this song about like how much
she loved. Him it's it's it's.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
High don't you realize what it's.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
About you're, like oh my, GOSH i never thought that
she was really in the.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Moment AND i always SAY, i, WELL i know successful
guys who have been married multiple times we talk About
Reilly joel AND i always, go it's a man of.
Passion it is my. Joke it's a man of, passion, right,
yeah but would you say that of a.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Woman and this is where you can well should be able.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
To we should be able, to we would be of.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Double standards for.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Everybody BECAUSE i was, like, Okay so my, initial as
my sister would probably, say my initial misogynistic thought Was, god,
damn she fucked. Everybody As i'm laying, there and THEN i,
STARTED i took it deeper AND i, GO i think
she just fell in. LOVE i think she really is
an artist and feels and had a connection to. People

(57:41):
because the song By Tom, petty see she wanted to
be a. Heartbreaker so let me go.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Back So i'm not just stop dragging my heart around
came from.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Well let me let me, okay, no, no, NO i
want TO i don't want to go all over the
place BECAUSE i, will, uh let me just finished this.
Story So Jimmy iveen says to, her we don't have a,
single and he Said Tom. Petty he, Goes i'm working
On Tom petty's album as. Well he has a song
that he wrote for you And she's, like, okay and he,

(58:16):
goes why don't you sing it with? Him and she said,
okay and she so they flew To. Florida, NOW i,
thought because don't forget WHEN i had to do classic
rock around the, Country it's not LIKE i always love.
Interactions so WHEN i did afternoons locally AND i had

(58:36):
to play, MUSIC i would also grab phone calls AND
i could do stuff with, people, RIGHT i could play with.
People can't really play with people When i'm, recording you,
know A friday morning show that's going to run in
six or seven markets on A, WEDNESDAY i can't get
your live calls in. There SO i, would and a
lot of it was classic, rock SO i would talk

(58:57):
about the. Music AND i thought that this Song edge
of seventeen was the title came From Tom petty's first,
wife who had such A southern accent that When Stevie
nicks met, her she said, went how long have you
And tom been? Together and she, says since the age of?

(59:19):
Seventeen but it sounded like the edge of. Seventeen, okay,
right you see What i'm. Saying So i'm not sure
an age of.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Seventeen it could, be could, Be, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, yeah that's where she got the title From edge of.
Seventeen so now she goes and records the song with
With Tom. Petty but the Song Don't Come Around Here
No more By Tom penny and The, heartbreakers it's About Stevie.
Nicks yeah you didn't know.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
That?

Speaker 1 (59:44):
No oh, Yeah so the only THING i know about
that song was THAT mtv made him cut part of
the video because he looked too he looked too strange
cutting the, cake The Allison wonderland.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Theme he's cutting the ya don't come around, Here, no.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Don't come around here no.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
More, okay so, okay there it is there there she
was a. Stalker, no so, no it's not look. Up
who wrote the song with? HIM i think it was
a member of The, Eurhythmics Dave. EDMUNDS i Think Dave
edmunds was a member of The. Eurhythmics So Dave edmunds

(01:00:19):
gets the The rhythmics land In. La there they're getting,
around meeting other people and going to these. Parties Stevie
nicks would have these big parties and she was Dating Joe.
Walsh it Was Dave. Stewart Dave, Stewart, Okay Dave stuart Not. Edmunds,
okay So Dave. Stewart So Dave stewart goes to, her

(01:00:41):
to her party and winds up like passing out in
a bedroom and wakes up at five am To Stevie
nicks trying on all these different, clothes which would be
Like alice In. Wonderland, okay thus the. Reference and all
of a sudden the doorbell rings and It's Joe, walsh

(01:01:01):
who was not at the, party and they get into
a huge fucking argument at five. Am she's screaming at
him and, goes don't come around here. Anymore and that's
where the title of the, song and it Was Dave
stewart From The rhythmics wrote that With Tom. Petty wow
fucked up as that, Right And i'm, like holy, Shit Don,

(01:01:25):
Henley Joe, Walsh Lindsey, BUCKINGHAM i Think Mick, Fleetwood Jimmy,
Iavey oh, yeah, Yeah like there was some bed hoping going,
On BUT i take it back because it's very easy
to make the knee jerk assumption of bed hop. SAID
i think that she literally each time had very strong,

(01:01:46):
feelings maybe not always in, love but had very strong
emotional connections to these. PEOPLE i THINK i think of,
IT i would love to interview.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Her you love the. Life and here's WHAT i mean by.
That Fleewood. Mac people don't know. This Fleetwood mac had
sixteen different members in. It The Fleetwood mac that's in
The rock And Roll hall Of. Fame The Fleetwood mac
that we know today Are Lindsey, Buckingham Stevie, Nicks Mick,
Fleetwood john McVie And christy. McVie, okay but before, that
there were no women in the. Band, okay, yeah this

(01:02:18):
is the final rendition of the. Band and what happened
was when they decided to Add Lindsey buckingham to the.
Band he, says, Well i'm not coming Without Stevie. Nicks
we're a package. Deal so they Asked christy McVie if she's,
okay says, yeah it would nice to be have another
friend in the, band a girlfriend in the. Band so then,
now So lindsey was kind of her meal. Ticket he
wrote all the, song she just sang. Along she was his.

(01:02:40):
Girlfriend then all of a sudden they become bigger and.
Bigger all of a, sudden he's got women clawn at,
Him she's starting to get, fame and all of a,
sudden now now you're living this. Life he was her
meal ticket for a. While i'm not saying she didn't
have her own, success but she basically was long for the. Ride,
now all of a, sudden she in the haf. TWICE
i don't know if she's in the hall. TWICE i
don't know she got in. Soul The Roccer hall Of

(01:03:00):
fame is a. Mess, YEAH i, AGREE i HAVE i
have a whole SEGMENT i could do on. That but
SO i think that like all of a, sudden like
if he was the meal, ticket, now who do you
do you go? After other powerful? Musicians, yeah because what
was her? Talent Who stevie's really? Well she looked, good
but she sang with such a nasally, voice but it was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
DISTINCT i, mean, look Fucking Bob, dylan, please But Bob
dylan wrote his own stuff though he was wearing later,
ON i mean later on with maybe some quick quick.
HELP i. LOVE i JUST i think she had a
very bohemian way about, her AND i think there was
a lot of we could call it the free love.
Era i'm not sure that it's the free love. Era

(01:03:43):
as much AS i think she had a deep connection
to every, person she was involved With MAYBE i really.
Do who else are you yelling at five? Am then
somebody actually give a shit? ABOUT i mean that's. Seriously
if you don't give a, shit you'd be, like just
get the fuck out of here and close the door and.
Walk but you don't because you're passionate about, something, RIGHT
i don't want. TO i think she's a very passionate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Person don't cover out here no more while you stand
at my, doorway don't, leave but don't cover out here no.
More but don't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Leave To Joe, walsh don't cover.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Then you Know Rocky Mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Way Joe watsh is like my favorite. Rocker Love Joe.
Watsh he's my favorite outside Of Keith. RICHARDS i Love
joe And. JOE i think The eagles were a country
band until He, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Well they had to bring him in because they wanted
to like give it an. Edge, yeah he came in On, Heltel.
CALIFORNIA i, think, yeah, yeah that was the uh that
WAS i love talking rock and. Roll oh you learned
so much too. WELL i wouldn't have known that well
about what about about don't come around here no?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
MORE i needed some fine stuff to talk, about SO
i did deep. RESEARCH i, LOOK i, NEVER i will
tell YOU i. NEVER i didn't know. Music we WHEN
I i didn't. Know, no, really, no did not know
music at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
ALL i thought you were Like. KATO i thought every
let's see about had to take.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
A Music, okay, no, Listen i'm gonna give. You i'm
gonna give you my. Story. OKAY i did not know.
Music AND i worked in a deli at a place
Called Adam's Ferrick Or farms In, poughkeepsie and it was
kind of. You it would be like a Mini wegmans
in the. Beginning it had a lot of high higher
end meats and cheeses and packaging and the way they did.

(01:05:17):
It they had a fish. Market they had one of
the original like coffee where you would go and buy
your specialty. COFFEE i used to go over and grab
hand handfuls of chocolate covered coffee, beans espresso beans. Them,
yeah and that's where you cover around. Here that's when
that's Where Daryl hall used to come. In AND i
would See Daryl hall in that. Thing it was just

(01:05:40):
a kind of just, nicer. Right that was also the
place that was also the place where some CHICK i
was hurt definitely her rebound. Dude BUT i didn't, care
AND i wound up not knowing where to. Go SO
i wound up out at our house AND i told this,
story and you got a discount when you went through the.
Line and my father comes through her line and he, goes,

(01:06:01):
oh my sonwhere she, Goes, YEAH i, know he. Goes
what she, Goes, yeah You're bill's, Dad and he, said,
yeah how did you? Know she, SAID i saw your?
Picture he, goes where at your? House he, goes you
were at my? House, well, NO i didn't go. Inside
it was on the front. Lawn and that's when my father,
goes we'd you do have an art show with all our.
Pictures that was my.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Dad so and then you wrote the song don't come
around Here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Nobody we had a contest and it was the rock
station that was on and name this song as fast
as you. CAN i couldn't do any of. IT i
DIDN'T i WHAT i loved about radio were the. PERSONALITIES
i loved. It and the REASON i THINK i really
liked radio WAS i was molested as a kid AND
i wanted to be able to. Hide and it was

(01:06:47):
almost like putting on your superhero. COSTUME i could be
cooler THAN i THOUGHT i was because no one knew
WHO i.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Was oh, okay that was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Really the thing for radio for me because a lot
of people kept saying to, me why don't you DO?
Tv why don you to DO? Tv And i'm, LIKE i.
CAN i don't want people to see ME i. HAD
i had self esteem lower than dog shit and oh
yeah as a, kid wow even. Yeah and AS i got,
OLDER i got more confident in my abilities and things
THAN i. Had success but that BUT i Didn't so

(01:07:19):
ONCE i started playing the, music THEN i knew. It
but WHEN i wound, up when they came to me and, said, hey,
man we're going to put you on like eighty stations
around the, country you gotta what WAS i going to? Do?
So But i'm also, older, Right i'm not, nineteen And
I'm I'M i THINK i was like. FORTY i might
have been. Fifty so you knew how to do, this

(01:07:42):
AND i knew how to just tell the story because
AND i loved the. STORIES i loved doing. RESEARCH i.
DO i don't know. WHY i love doing the research
AND i love that and SINCE i had, to it was.
Great i'm, like, fuck, man you're gonna pay me to
have to learn about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
You, know Mac, Billy, Joel Tom, Petty, Right SO i,
mean what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
AM i gonna? Do but, yeah but, no it's never
about the music for. ME i love the. PERSONALITIES i
love the. TALK i love the funny. Guys and then
AS i got, OLDER i really liked the deeper discussions
you could. Have you, KNOW i think there were times
we had like this. One, YEAH i mean. That but that's.
Me that's that's where my life has always. Been so
what AM i.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Gonna my Favorite Dot headley story is the fact That
Mike campbell From The heartbreakers wrote he wrote the music
what The friend Of boys Of? Summer, yes WHICH i
play every, Day so Every tuesday After Labor, DAY i
play that every single.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Year that's A i.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Do it's a tradition Of. Biden but, like but the
fact that Like Tom petty didn't know what to do with,
that he heads it over To, headley Not helly's all, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Thanks it Was Jimmy ivan again involved in. That, Yeah
so because so he was producing all these he was
Producing Tom petty. Stuff Jimmy, ivan who people may know
From American. Idol he was he was one of the
coaches On American Idol Talent coaches along the, way probably
a great. One and then they went To Bobby. Bones
not That bobby, wasn't but he doesn't Have Jimmy ivian's,
credentials you know What i'm. Saying so But, ivan, yeah

(01:09:11):
he brought it was who was It Mike. Campbell Mike.
Campbell Mike campbell made all the music and he brought
it To petty and you're, Right petty didn't, know and
so he, said did you? Ever this is a great story,
too he. Said Jimmy ivy, goes, Hey Don henley is
making a solo album and he he needs. Stuff he,

(01:09:32):
goes why don't you see if he's? Interested so the
story is that this is another one That Mike campbell
goes over To Don henley's house and he has a
cassette And henley's in this room at the other end
of a long Table i'm thinking like a dining room, table,
right and he sits there and he pops the cassette

(01:09:54):
in and he plays it And don just keeps his
Head i'm obviously absorbing it all and, goes all, right,
Thanks and that was fucking. It campbell's LIKE i had
he's the house, nothing doesn't think anything Until boys Of
summer comes out and he gets credit for the. Music, yep,
yeah but that he didn't, know had no. Idea, No

(01:10:17):
AND i Think henley is probably a little bit of an.
INTROVERT i know he likes being on stage and, all but,
yeah SO i don't think he. Talks how funny is?
That and Don henod why.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Is a bit of an angry? Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Yeah why DO i always get stold to the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Audience at C maac for talking through his acoustic stuff
on his new? Record and people are, like we don't
want to hear. That Steve hausman, GOES i want to
go get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Beer all right, Now now we'll take a break And
i'll tell you what happened that The finger. Likes, OH
i forget About.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Finger, sorry that's all, right about forgiveness for talking about, music.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
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Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
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Wall tell us what? Different?

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me don't quit laughing. Me just stop laughing, baby.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
You burst the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Bay i'm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Surprised you never heard Of. Rianna it must be love
on the, brain, buddy that's what it's. About oh, wow
there you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Go somebody said that fifties sixties Five YES i love.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
That, YES i mean white house yep. Style, yeah it
was very. TALENTED I i, know like we SOMETIMES i
used to laugh at the song, Umbrella, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
But she she.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Did somebody sent me a picture of like their kids
floating on a mat on one of the finger legs and,
said kids living their best. Lives and we and to
think we just had a, sprinkler AND i started to
think about. IT i don't think we had a proper
sprinkler in my. HOUSE i think for a while somebody

(01:15:51):
had to put their thumb over the end of the
hose and spray. It, YEAH i. Think or we had
the nozzle and you would put it on spring and
it was a. Nozzle it wasn't like a sprinkler that
they ran. Through AND i remember my kids thinking it
was such a novelty BECAUSE i had a, sprinkler like
the rotating sprinkler AND i they just had a, pool,

(01:16:15):
Right they had the pool in the. Backyard. Yeah and
THEN i once went and ran through the front of,
it AND i remember them, laughing and they were like really.
Little they were probably like four or, five and they're
running through it and laughing and jumping over it and
thinking it was the greatest thing in the. World but
it was new to, them, right you, know and then
all of a sudden they got bored and they were
back in the bull.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Heard the slipping, slide, yes and like how you like
you thought it was so cool in the, commercials then
you go and actually use, it, like, oh oh, yeah my,
brother are you skin your hands and?

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Knees has a slipping slide into the pond into the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Pond.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yes and so there was a year THAT i went
with my. DAD i remember how this, happened but my
dad was there AND i came up and my dad started,
going you know what you need for this? Soap so
my dad went and bought bottles of. Dawn the pond
was just like all these. Studs and this lady across

(01:17:11):
the street comes over and, goes you're, LUCKY i don't
call THE epa on, You and, well we're, like but That's.
Karen yeah but wait but, wait but hold. On that's
what they used to clean the little duckies something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Oil.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah so but so the slipping slide is going and
my dad's got, it and my dad gets on the
slip and slide and then somebody jumps on his back
and rides my father, down which was so funny because
my dad hated to be. Touched we were my brother AND.
I i think our sphinter's got fucking as tight as

(01:17:46):
a diamond could have popped out of our. Ass and
my because we didn't, Know, like my dad's gonna be so,
Pissed he's not gonna he got. Up he's laughed and
he loved.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Him what chipped out his? Back was it one of
the great, Kids, no it was another.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Adult it was like one of my brother's. Buddies he
let it. Go, yeah he let it go like we.
Were Oh Jesus Moran stock can get. That you're drunk
as soon as you hit the. Air here has alcoholic.
It it's, like my, god speaking.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Of, that it's a point oh four here In Cunny, Buck.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Maine Jose Luis Torres. Barrios does he play for The. Mets,
no he. Doesn't he got arrested At Finger. Lakes, oh
AND i don't think he's a jockey. Either i'm not sure,
though go, on but he's thirty four years. Old he

(01:18:34):
got arrested and had to be physically removed from the
bar section by security after a verbal. Altercation he allegedly
threatened to go, home make multiple explosives and use them
to blow up the casino as well as the people.
Inside that's an automatic you're going to J, now hang,
On i'm, thinking did you lose? MONEY i mean only

(01:18:57):
At Finger? Lakes could you lose three hundred dollars in
the slot machine and fucking lose your?

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Mind?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Right that's enough state Of New. York that's A Western
New york. Thing, Yes BUT i, Go so here's my,
question And i'll put it this. Way the guy makes this,
threat do you Think Jose Luis Torres? Barrios AND i,
KNOW i, KNOW i, know we always have to. SAY
i think his name is longer than the explosives he

(01:19:25):
has in this. HOUSE i don't think there are explosives
in this. HOUSE i don't think he has the ability
to do. This BUT i get it because now we,
go well he's, threatened, right and well if we didn't
do anything and then something, HAPPENS.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
I, go, yeah it's like the backpack at the, AIRPORT i, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah you know WHAT i. Mean, so BUT i, go
is this security theater or real? Safety and there's a
piece of me that is starting to say AND i get.
It it's post nine to, eleven but we're twenty six
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Years years Of Silver anniversary at.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Eleven AND i, go at some, point it feels like
security theater to, Me, like this guy makes a threat
inside a, bar at a. Casino he probably lost, money
he's agitated at whatever. HAPPENS i don't. Know they don't
give you much more on the, incident BUT i, go
what really happens behind the scenes when someone makes a terroristic?

(01:20:25):
Threat we could say that that would be a domestic terroristic. Threat,
sure and what are casinos prepared? For and here's WHAT
i started to. THINK i, GO i have talked to
The Fairport police And i'd love to get them back
in here doing compcast. Again we haven't done that in a.
While but if you talk To Chief Matt, barnes the things,

(01:20:45):
like you, know what's coming up in a couple of
weeks is The Fairport Music. Fest they have, drones they
have other. Agencies there's people just WALKING i saw. THEM
i saw undercover, guys AND i, mean you're not that,
undercover but they were in like playing. Clothes one had a,
backpack one had another. Thing, well they're big muscle dudes

(01:21:07):
walking around AND i, go there's no way two dudes
ripped with muscle, right are just walking around canal days
because they're looking for a shepherd's hook to hang their
potted plan. On you don't understand What i'm, saying like
it ain't, happening then you stand out like a short.
Thump it's nice to know. Exactly it's, like, oh stained,

(01:21:30):
GLASS i want a bird? Bath, yea oh do you
know what we? Need and it's like my wife would love.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
THIS i get this in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
BLUE i just, Uh i'm glad they're. There but do you?
Ever THEN i have to take it to us as,
individuals like we we say what do we say earlier
about our? Healthcare you have to be THE ceo of your, health,
okay so do we have to be THE ceo of
our safety as? Well should we be? Aware AND i

(01:21:57):
THINK i think to My i'll fucking, know BECAUSE i
don't want to live. PARANOID i don't AND i don't
think about this. SHIP i don't think about this shit at.
All and MAYBE i don't think about this ship Because
i'm a middle aged white guy and nothing's gonna happen to. Me,
yeah that's a good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Pointing you know What i'm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
SAYING i, mean, Nobody, look no one's looking to rape.
Me no one's looking to rob. Me no.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
ONE i also think, like, okay to bring it back To,
Jose Maria olthabel Here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Bose luis Teros Berry, okay Torres, Berry.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Okay so don't you think, That Like, okay there's police
officers and their. Security, okay, yes, security like want to
be police Really, Okay so when you sign up to be,
security oftentimes you look for those moments where you can
look like the big. Hero oh so to speak, right so, like,
ah there's nothing to fear, here like that That George zimmerman,
dude that was a guy who had a power trip

(01:22:48):
Murdered Trayvon martin got way carried. Away but sometimes security
can get carried. Away and Now i'm not saying this
guy shouldn't have been. Arrested he's making. Threats but What
i'm saying is is that like they will make it
a bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Show out of it than what needs to Be, WELL
i WOULD i made know exactly what you're. Saying and
it does make you, go what if you heard that
guy at the? Bar do you take him? Seriously? Right
do you? Say here's WHAT i would. Go it's Like
i'm staying If i'm sitting with, SOMEBODY i go all

(01:23:20):
in for dinner and a show to because you know
there is somebody's gonna come and slam them to the
ground and rest. Them and YOU i can't imagine that
this was a soft, arrest but you got.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
It it's like THE Wwe all of a, sudden here
come the security guards with the, cops but they With
Steve austin steam song hits.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
People, go, well freedom of speech, first terroristic. Threats you
can't yell. Fire you can't yell fire in a. Theater
you can't Say i'm blow this. Up you just. Can't
so it's not a blurry edge. Between but it is
a blurry edge when a person's. Drunk do we do
we take into consideration the Drunk you throw him? Out

(01:24:00):
how's he getting to his? House was he there with
somebody who can take? Him you know WHAT i? Mean
and what and maybe he does have? EXPLOSIVES i don't,
know you, know comes back with a comes back with
a couple of bottle rockets and fires him. Off Aunt
edna gets hit in the. Ass oh you want.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
You won the?

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Slots?

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Reverse oh, yeah, NO i mean it's, yeah it's you
gotta take those threats, Seriously, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
But you get, intoxication, ego all this in the. Mix
what set the guy? Off i'm not sure you come the?

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Superheroes?

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
What but then do you are there places you won't
go and there are for me as? Well for safety?

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Issues oh, YEAH i won't go To canada for safety.
Issue not, OKAY i won't go To. Canada why not
even just? Safety you just spread them with speech. Issues
say the wrong, thing you're going to. Jail what cook
you miss under? Somebody you're going to?

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Jail Stop, danny this is that's made. Up that is
so made. Up well IF i got your pronoun, Wrong,
danny what are you listening? To? Now that's so?

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Yeah even know if it's a half, Truth i'm not
taking any. TRUTH i like being An. AMERICAN i like
being right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
HERE i love the city Of montreal And.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Toronto, yeah like fifteen years Ago toronto fifteen years. Ago, Yeah,
Oh montreal is a cool.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
City.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
MAN i got a buddy WHO i got a coworker
who lives In cana. Goes oh, dude the crime is
out of control.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
There oh it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Is oh, yeah it's out of. Control it's out of.
Control they got like four more people in generation has
as non existent or sorry it's. Existed it's like the
enforcement of non, existent like it's just. Crime it's like
these catching release. LAWS i, mean like the last few
days In, rochester there's enough news for, like you, know
an entire.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Year all, right let you go to the the catch
and release. Stuff WE i don't know what the answer.
IS i, WISH i WISH i. DID i think that
we there needs to be more of a middle ground with.
THINGS i understand why you want to police accountability, board

(01:26:12):
BUT i don't like the way you're. Doing. No but
that's my.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Opinions how social workers go solve the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Case, well but the other but the other thing is, like,
uh right in East side in the, canal there's women
being harassed and followed by a. Guy the guy had
been arrested a couple times and. Released that's the way
the laws. ARE i think that guy would have been
even if the laws. WEREN'T i think they're, going all, right,

(01:26:39):
dude cut the, ship get out of. Here we got
bigger things to focus. On bigger, Stuff because go back
to every event that goes on every canal. Days you,
know on whatever end of the canal you Are, spencerport
but where we live Or fairport where we, ARE i,
mean but in our area all of that there is

(01:27:01):
multiple agency awareness and safety. Stuff SO i think there's
an awful lot of planning that goes into. This and
some guy who's you, know following somebody on a bicycle
and looks half homeless is, like all, right, dude cut the,
shit you, know come back for a court to court.
Date AND i think that would happen no matter what

(01:27:22):
the laws. WERE i think there's other. Things but where we,
yeah you, know, CLEARLY i think second time you should be.
Held you did it, Again, okay now we're holding.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
It yeah. Right this became a law because Of Rikers.
Island guys couldn't get out Of rikers but the, bilky
but the tail shouldn't wag the dog for the rest
of the freaking. State, WELL i think that you have
like repeat offenders.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Out like hit people killing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Them, YEAH i, mean come, on, man, YEAH i, mean
like what are we?

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
DOING i don't. KNOW i don't. KNOW i don't pay
attention enough on. Purpose, NO i get it BECAUSE i don't.
PRESSING i don't want to get myself all spun out
and worked. Up AND i figure everything. Is you, KNOW
i always go everything's working out for our highest. Good,
OKAY i truly believe, that AND i think IF i believe,
that it lines up with. Things but MAYBE i sound

(01:28:11):
a little. GOOFY i don't, Know i'm not, sure but,
anyway just be. CAREFUL i wonder If jose can get
back in to the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Casino, YEAH i mean like to catch your release long.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Well, yeah but, okay but here's my, Question like you
made a terroristic, threat like like they used to say
you were counting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Cards if they had, cards, yeah it would be like,
no get out of, here, right but terroristic you know,
What we'll get you a second, yes, okay so all the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Money remember remember WHEN i have a friend two years
ago before they had the lane, sharks and the lane
shark can see what's on the bottom of your. Car
and it's very. Easy now you'll even get reminders if
you do self, checkout did you check the things on

(01:28:55):
the bottom of your? Car because people very, innocently especially
if you've got your kid with you and they're getting
fussy and you're doing the week's worth of grocery shopping
and you're trying to juggle all this stuff and he
had a case of water or something on the. Bottom,
yep and you forgot it and you get out there
and you Go lane.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Shark.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Right so the lane shark now goes. Off but prior
To Lane, shark SO i had a friend that had
a bag of, shrimp big big bag of shrimp they
had thrown on the. Bottom they're buying all this stuff
for a. Party ice bears blah blah blah blah, blah,
boom they get stopped by. Security they wind up getting,
arrested protection, whatever and they were told they are never

(01:29:38):
allowed in Any wegmans, again don't come around here for
WHATEVER x amount of. Time that guy never went back
Into wegmans during that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Time stop shutting down my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Down that during that. Time, Hi my question would, BE
i don't BELIEVE i would put. IT i don't believe
they can stop. You, again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
What do they?

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Have how are they gonna recognize? Me you, know they
didn't even have the Lane shark. Back maybe they got
facial recognition, Now but my.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Point, is then For Major League baseball facial, recognition if
you get thrown out of, it if you get if
you get, banned a lifetime. Ban and there have been
people who have gotten lifetime. Bands you are not allowed
back at Any Major League baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Stadium, Okay i'm just, saying, like, Like, okay IF i
got thrown out of The Fairport, Wegmans i'm going To. Pittsford,
YEAH i need something From. Wegmans it's. There now a
lot of people SAY i can get my stuff. Anyway
sure you, can but it's a little bit. Further wegmans
is very close to. ME i can't go to That.
Wegmans but there's Another wegmans within a five mile. Radius,

(01:30:45):
Yes so why why CAN'T i do? That do you?
Understand how are they gonna stop? Me they're not gonna recognize.
Me i'm in, there And I'm i'm looking at every security. Camera,
HEY i just that's. All SO i wonder, Here, jose
different security people in and, out you, know different. Stuff

(01:31:05):
it's probably better.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
They really like that high tech at figure likes giving
a race.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
TRACK i don't, KNOW i don't. Know maybe they. Are
but the question then becomes, again all the behind the
scenes stuff to keep people. SAFE i guarantee there's protocols
and you, know things you have to meet now and
blah blah, blah AND i can only imagine with all
the festivals and things that go, on what's keeping you safe?
CONCERTS i can't. IMAGINE i can't fucking imagine what goes

(01:31:30):
on in terms of just, everything watching, everywhere you, know
and what do we get out of a. Concert we
got A ceo who lost a half million dollar job
and got exposed on a jumbo tron.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
And then a great like advertising campaign. Afterwards that was crazy,
job of course they. Did, yes that person should be
THE ceo whoever ran that pr.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Campaign real, Quick Buffalo bills will be or back In.
Rochester the blue and white game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Is, over yeah, yeah or the blue and red red,
yeah red and blue. Whatever the helmet and the jersey
have two different shades of. RED i don't know if
anybody picked up on, that just just just. Observation they
get that corrected for the last.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
GAME i have no desire right now for, football you,
know It's august. Fourth, No but training, camp, Yeah i'm.
INTERESTED i like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Hearing people live for training. CAMP i mean it's, enjoyable
BUT i, mean you, know yeah so. Much you're gonna
you get two stories out of trading. Camp, well you
said there's a lot of, injuries there's up to there's
like fifteen official injuries right now on a roster of
ninety one, people meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
That it seems like a.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Lot that's a. Lot that's a. Lot and the latest two,
Injuries Max harriston is gonna miss a lot of. Time
he's probably gonna miss the rest of the preseason and
maybe the first or second game of the. SEASON i
think IT'S i think it's his. Knee and then you
Got khalil who got. INJURED i don't know how he got,
injured but he got. Injured he's now week to, week
so you're not gonna see him the rest of the preseason.

(01:32:58):
EITHER i mean the built the only starter who's actually
practicing right now Is Keon, coleman who was a rookie last,
year who's at his ups and downs throughout camp so
far more ups than. Downs, okay so you're kind of
looking at this like you looked at last, Year, like, hey,
GUYS i, Mean Curtis samuel's. Hurt you, Know Elijah moore

(01:33:18):
is bagged. UP i, mean they don't have a ton
of firepower to work with offensively in this. Preseason And,
tuesday guess, what or actually, tomorrow when you're listening to
This Hard KNOCKS Hbo Max monday is the Fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
MONDAY i thought it came out on the. Fifth it
comes out On.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Tuesday, yes the. Fifth by the time everybody listens to,
this thank you maybe, okay speaking. Day by the time
you listener get this, Tomorrow tuesday will be the debut
Of Hard knocks and everybody will be like tweeting this one.
Up please can we wait till the end of the
episode before we start tweeting? Alone but in all, seriousness
because everyone's gonna offer their. Opinion i'm SURE i will

(01:33:56):
offer mind To i'll have. Thoughts i'll have a lot of.
Thought it's, coming you, know WHEN i come back on the.
Podcast BUT i want to talk about, this this and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Uh but like the wide receivers are pretty banged. Up
you got a lot of guys begged up for just
playing touch football. BASICALLY i, mean, yeah there's some contact and. Stuff,
yeah but that's a lot of soft tissue. Injuries, yeah
that's a little.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Scary all, Right well they're soft tissue, THOUGH i, mean
nobody's cut for the. Season hang, around they haven't played
a preseason game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Yet you got fifty, guys did they hang?

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Around, yeah that's the problem with soft, tissue especially, hamstring,
right that stuff hangs around for a. WHILE i would just.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Practice the third. Striggers but, then like you, know the
rookies got everyone's gotta get. WORK i, mean it's it's
gonna be, tough. MAN i know. THAT i said before
the season. STARTED i said their favorite at every. Game
so there's no excuse why they can't go on the.
FEED i didn't say they, would but these are the
reasons why you. Don't and every other year The bills
seem to lose five or six games and have a rough.

(01:34:55):
Ride and last, year you know they had a lot
of they lost three games last year or four. Games
the last one doesn't count because it was At New.
England they were just they didn't. Care but it's gonna
be a tough, year tougher year than people. Think because
people thought last year would be the tough. Year this
year is gonna be, tough, man with all these. Injuries
if they keep hurting, THEMSELVES i, know it's only like

(01:35:18):
it's Only august. Fourth, yes it just put everybody on the.
Shelf they'll figure it out the first.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Terrible they.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
Do they're the, Billy they're the dumbest team maybe in.
Baseball they're definitely the Dumbest yankee team. Ever they're the GM's,
dumb the owner's, dumb the manager's, dumb the players are.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
DUMB i thought they went and got some. Closers they all,
blue and On friday nights they were. Terrible they all
they gave.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Up they were up how many? Runs six.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Sports it's a great way to EX i saw your.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Infring the only thing that overshaded that was it The
rockies came back and beat The pirates sixteen fifteen or
something that The pirates of The, pirates the extra trouble.
Man they're not making a.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Postseason maybe, no it's. Over Maybe sason's overtop it stop
it for Damn. Marillo I'm Bill. Moran will see you
tomorrow in The flow Murder Rack Three days

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
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