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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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mix in some vodka.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Color a podcast from the Mac of All Trade Studio
in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dots gem Ram.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
It's Billified the Bill Moran Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks
for telling a friend, Thanks for writing me that I
need a razor.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I met so many people hit me on so many
whirl you'll lose your razor, We'll have your razor.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Any money for a razor? You a razor sponsor?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
I don't know, because nobody ever really has seen you
with a beard.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I've never seen you with a beard.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I grew on once and then I was just letting
it go. Yes, I've been letting it go for a while.
Then people, I can tell you're having a hard time.
Your dad really kind of got you. Didn't shave it.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Don't you love what people make those associations.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's like we all do.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We all do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Of course, we all.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Try to sound smarter than we really are. Dude, I'm
guilty of this more than anyone.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Rah. You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You know what Sammy, Uh, you know what Kevin's problem is.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I think like people would go, uh, it looks like
you're having a really hard time. I really, you haven't
shaved in a couple of days. You look like your
hair's all messy.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I go, that's how I wear my hair, and I'm
lucky I have it. I'm gonna be fifty four years
old in like two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Come on, They asked Marcia Clark, who's the prosecutor for O. J. Simpson?
Are you wearing the white dress for Nicole Brown?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Are you wearing the right dress for rock Golmos goes,
I'm wearing it because it was clean.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I mean, just to get to the dry.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Cleaners right exactly. But no I did.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I just thought, well, let's see something different trying out.
I don't know, well, let's see, I mean, looks good.
Beard seemed to be very uh in fashion these days.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Just don't become one of those beard guys.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
What's a beard? You know?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
They start wearing glasses and drink craft beer and wearing
special argyle shirts, wearing hard shoes to the beach.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
They're around. They used to be called hipsters.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Now they now they and now they've become dads, so
now they're sophisticated. I mean, I mean they're they're like
one generation away from wearing an ascot on a Sunday
afternoon at the beach.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, well you're smoking a pipe that that's coming by
the way, what the pipe cigars?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Now it's going to be a pipe you wait?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh, people smoking pipes.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, like with beards and glasses and mascots.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah. I remember my uncle Bill used to smoke a pipe.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Michael Tony did two for what. I love pipe smoke
every family.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I like the way it's smell. Yeah, the tobacco.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Ye, it's the greatest second hand smoke ever. Sure it's
pipe smoke.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I think I did certainly like that when you think
about it. Now, I were more populated than ever, but
there was a lot of ship they were breathing in
back then, and everybody seemed to live.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Well look at Mark Mark's crand parents. Right, they live
under Kodak. They're like not both in their nineties, both smoke,
both both drank.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, lived under.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
The smoke stacks of codec. They're fine. Maybe it's one
of those like you know, you got to get away
with the flu.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, get rid of the flu A little bit of
like a little bit of the germ scares away that
maybe that's what it was, a little bit of Kodak went.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
A long way.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Might be Maybe I could become a beard influencer if
I actually let this thing go.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Maybe start wearing beard oils, start advertising beard oil.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I like this. I read an article today about it.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Bill Moran here for Doctor Squatch beard oil. Yes, it's all.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Healthy, you could drink it. I want to reach out
to Doctor Squatch.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
They got good stuff. And by the way, it's it's
healthy soap.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
But Doctor Squatch they even have like alone.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Oh they do they have they have colone, they have
shampoo conditioner, beard oil.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Now they got a razor for your balls.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, okay they're branching out.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
But if you run it on the UK app soap
there's reas why it's expect because it's incredibly clean.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
There's no chemicals or very little chemicals.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
What we need a Doctor Squatch sponsor.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, we should Doctor Squatch.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
If you're listening to Billify the Bill Moran podcast, we
could use product or cash.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
There's a uh or both. There's a whole there's a
whole industry now of people who are considered influencers, and
I'm not really sure who they are and what they're
influencing exactly, or how they would determine who's an influencer
and who who's not. Jamison watched this watches this kid

(04:34):
who I really like on YouTube and I don't know
his name, but he goes around to different hotels and
he went to all the haunted hotels that you could
stay at, and he went around and talked all about it.
I guess that would be an influencer, right, because if
people see that, they're going to go to have a
similar experience. And the guy did it a beautifully shot
while the kid's very poison camera was really really well done.

(04:58):
So I guess that would be an influencer. And then
we think of like the Kardashians. Certainly they've influenced people.
There's a whole bunch. It's like they have clones out
there to search. It's so funny and that's okay, But
this guy is a de influencer. He actually has started

(05:19):
something called Dotty Snacks and Dottie I think it's d
a a d I means grandma in I think it's
in India, in India, but yeah, Dottima right, okay, So okay,
so Dottie and that. So this guy is South Asian, uh,

(05:41):
and he made flavored popcorn using Dotty Ma's recipes and
he went through and they did a bunch of testing
and all this stuff. So that and he built this business.
But his he's anonymous. He doesn't say who he is.
He puts his face on camera, so somebody knows, but
it's anonymous, and it's on the Dottie Na. Yeah, but

(06:05):
it's on their Instagram. So it's like their Instagram where
they'd be promoting their popcorn, but they're not. It's this
guy who pops up making fun of influencers and I
fucking love it like it's him. No, it's it's fantastic. Now,
listen to this one. It starts out with the influencer, okay,
and then he duets these things or jumps in and

(06:26):
it's it's incredible. Here we go, We're about to get
hit by a hurricane. Okay. So this is when the
tsunami was coming.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Right, and they.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Thought the tsunami was gonna hit like California.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Careful, there was an earthquake at Japan. Make sure you
brought up your house in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, excuse me, mister president, can you spell tsunami? I'll
never forget being at the comedy club and the JJ
God rest his soul. Fucking JJ God rested. So hey, hey, Billy,
how about the tossue me? I go, what the tsue me?
I went home. I watched from six pm to midnight.

(07:08):
I couldn't turn it off, the whole thing. I go.
You watched six hours of covers and you still fucking
pronounce the word. But I had a tea of it. Yeah,
so all right, So this woman is in Hawaii, okay,
and she's, uh, I guess, a travel nurse. And maybe
she blogs her travels as to wherever she goes, and

(07:29):
maybe people follow. I don't know, but here we go.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
I am in Hawaii and we're about to get hit
by a hurricane or now.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Calmly, why does it look?

Speaker 6 (07:42):
So you're a travel nurse staying in Hawaii and you
decide to content farm a potential natural disaster.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Okay, Okay, it's no update on this.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Based on this comment, it's clear you couldn't give one
single funck what happens to the people who live there. Hey,
at least you have your tsunami snacks for your picnic,
because if something happens to the natives, you can pick
your tripod up and hop to the next place.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You're doing a little picnic.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
We have our snacks, and people tell me I'm too
mean to influencers, and I would argue I should be
much meaner.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay, buy some. I want to make this the fucking
dotty popcorn dead alone, dead alone, Go buy it. It
sounds fantastic. What's like? Oh wait, I think I've seen
this maybe in Wagmans. No, I'm thinking of a different
brand than with made with avocado oil. The popcorn with
a uh one more one more. And this is a

(08:39):
kid who comes out and I guess he's an influencer.
Handsome kid. Hands are all tatted up. I couldn't tell
because he had, you know, clothes on. I couldn't see
how far they went up his arm or anything. But
handsome kid. And he comes out, he's got a complaint.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
When I order an Uber black of Volvo is coming
to pick me up, I'm sorry, but that's an Uber black.
My god, you guys, I just ordered an Uber black
and I'm literally shaking. They sent me an eighty thousand
dollars car instead of one hundred and twenty thousand dollars.
I guess they do say God gives his toughest.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Battles to his strongest soldiers.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
When I order an Uber black of Volvo is coming
to pick me up.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So I don't know if that's
a kiddy.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Bull Canadian because he said the idiot dude sounds Canadian too.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't know where he is. I think he's in
New York City. Okay, I think he's in New York City.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm sorry, Yeah he does.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I mean you, uh just look up Dottie Daddi snacks
and you will find them on Instagram. And he just
duets all these people. I think it was Instagram, might
have been TikTok. Excuse me to love it, and uh yeah,
I think it's the first known example of a food
brand doubling as what I would say is a satirical

(09:53):
think tank.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh, absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I love it because it was when my wife.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Tells me, like in school, they do these like they
ask the kids, what do you want to be when
you grow up? Yeah, and of them like when we were.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Kids, pro athlete, quarterback, baseball player, maybe astronaut, or your
talk show host.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Now these kids just influencer. Yeah, okay, what are you
gonna influence? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I don't know whatever. Makeup, yeah, eight jeans, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I don't know if we'll saturate things to a point.
I think they'll always be influenced. They're advertisers. Well, there's always.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
People that are under the influence of something or somebody.
But I mean now it's like all of a sudden,
Grandma's an influence an alcohol.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Ireland.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I love this guy. I want to meet him.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, me too. But then he did another one where, uh,
there's they're shooting somebody's shooting a music video in a
New York City subway and while the cameras are rolling,
someone's running to their subway and they shoulder bumped the
guy by accident, and the guy turns around and does
this whole thing, and he's like, you're walking barefoot in
a subway. There's five generations DNA on that of many

(11:03):
different species, not just humans. No, yeah, everything, Yeah, yeah,
so I rat. Then there was a girl who's like, uh,
I you know my friend and I my girlfriend called
me and we want to just get a sprits and
I live in Chelsea and she lives somewhere else and
it cost me thirty eight dollars to get up to
towns or whatever. I may not know the directions right,

(11:25):
but she's like eighty dollars around trip and the guys
like take a subway like everybody else, like jay Z
does for three dollars, you know. And she's like, I'm
not getting into my cute little sparkly dressed and putting
it on and going out of the subway. And I thought, well, okay,
I mean, I hate to say the idea that you're

(11:47):
in a cute sparkly dress, people are gonna treat you
poorly or maybe agle you. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know what they're.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Gonna go somewhere where they're gonna like agle you. I mean,
that's the point.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Why would you put it on?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
And by the way, I heard somewhere along the line,
women dress for women, they don't dress for men.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Oh, let me tell you something. We need dress for
other Let me just tell you something right now. And
I have to say this because it's been bothering me
a lot lately, and I don't usually get into politics.
More of the population of our country is women. That
it is men. We've had two women run for president
and they've lost. Who's not voting for them? Right? Yeah?

(12:24):
I mean that that that right there tells you everything?
Does it? Knocks? It tells you everything. I am so excited.
I am so excited. We were looking all over hard
knocks for you. We were looking everywhere. We will take them.
Ament We look for the Greg Connors Easter Eggs, take
a moment. I just like the counterculture.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
There it is Ticketmaster, What give Greig's money's worth?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
We will take a.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Master with a booth.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Will take a moment. Greg. That dandy has something for
you right in front of you that every birthday. Yeah,
and uh well we'll we will take you and then
we will come back. And I think we have to
talk about hard knocktion. And then I gotta tell you
what I forgot about something. Something has scared me about
an AFC East rival.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Something scared me about hard knocks last night.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
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Speaker 3 (16:01):
The fucker love the world.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I could be shame. Souper mus would be wasted.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
They got nothing on you.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
This is Greg's ring. Tom never know, you.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Made nothing known you. I know you feel where we're
coming from. Regardless other things in my past had known
MOS stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
It really was the hell of the pump. Don't care
what nice plump. I can't get rural. Mars is so talented,
but I don't think he's put anything out that last
year he had Oh he did, well, he did, but
it was a collap correct Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he
also had what he.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Did Yeah the one was it called juicy fruit or something.
It was a little risk for me, Yeah, and went off.
He was like he had like a Miley Cyrus detour
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Uh, Greg Connors, I'm so excited that you came in because, uh,
training camp wraps up tomorrow. Does the Buffalo Bills have
the MVP and Josh Allen and they have hard knocks
this year, which was I was impressed with how quickly
they got that done because they were right up to
the Red and Blue Game or the Blue and Red

(17:13):
Game it's called. I was really impressed by that. I thought,
should we kind of did you watch? I watched, I
was gonna watch twice, and I didn't.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Did you everywround some of it?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay? Okay?

Speaker 5 (17:28):
So I did go back and look at.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Some of the stuff because overall, my biggest concern, and
I said this earlier on the podcast, is that it's
going to be boring. And it was kind of flat
and boring. I mean, opens up with Dion Dawkins, who's
a huge personality and the lovely guy it seems like,
and he's packing up and leaving his family, and then
it was Dawson Knox, who, by the way, seven people.

(17:51):
I just think that's a lot because I always go people,
go people. Please tell me everybody if someone says to me,
everybody I know is doing it. I go, okay, can
you name me ten friends that you talk to on
a regular basis? Right? And that was an old program
director said that to me to just kind of keep
things in perspective when people are coming at you. And

(18:14):
I but I thought seven people? Would you? Walking down
with Dawson Knox was like, I'm like, holy shit, it's
another one. Oh, here's another one. I'm getting it on Instagram,
I'm getting it on on Facebook, I'm getting it on
my text I'm getting it. Was amazing.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, Dawson's a great guy. And uh, it just was coincidental.
I was walking down from the parking lot and he
was walking out of the locker room and he was
a couple of steps ahead to me, turned around and
saw it was me, and then we just started busing. Yeah,
and you know, he we were trying to coordinate getting
something together for the Killers. That was that Saturday, Yes,

(18:49):
and it was his first practice back, so we were
talking about that. I told him, man, I'm like, hey, man,
you know you don't have to say you can just
take veteran days. I go Bruce Smith used to do
it all training. Yeah, he would take veteran camps.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
He would There was one time where I remember he
was tethered to a tree, just running back because he
didn't want to practice, and I was.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Like, you know what, all right?

Speaker 5 (19:10):
He would just be on the stare mill StairMaster the
whole time.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Didn't His grandmother died three times in one camp, you know.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, Dawson's a great guy. And it was when we
were walking. I didn't think anything of it because we
were just bsing' yah and uh. And as you walked
down and I didn't see anybody because again.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
You know, you're not you went you weren't. You were
literally looking at him, talking to him and walking. He
went one direction, you went the other. And that was it.
But I'm like, that's pretty fucking cool. And the fact
that seven people said it to me made it even
cooler for me.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
It was funny because Will sent me I didn't know it,
I wasn't following it during training camp, during the practice,
and then Will sent me attacks with it as on
the link and he's like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
So that's very funny. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
The biggest thrill for me on the hard Knocks piece,
the most exciting thing for me, and I really did
enjoy it. And I know that there's somebody in this
room who did not. And I don't know where you
stand in this, but I loved seeing Dion Dawkins go
drifting with his kids.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Oh my god. When I saw that, I thought to myself,
is the Department of Social Services is going to show
up at his house tomorrow because they had a helmet on.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
That didn't fit? Oh no, the helmet they had, they
had a seatbelt.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
They had him in a in a in a restraint
of seatbelt. That was not a proof of their size
and age.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
No. If they were in a.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Car, a street car, right, they he could have been
he could have been ticketed.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yes, And is it bad that I was more concerned
about the left tackle of the Buffalo Bills getting injured
than his kid, because that's.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
That's what horrified me.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's like, no, no, I'm watching, You're not where he's drifted.
You're not gonna hit anything, You're No, I didn't I know.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Where that is. By the way, it's on the reservation. Yeah, okay,
it was not. I supposed to say that. There's a
lot of them.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
No, you're not supposed to say that.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay, that's just I really didn't know why I didn't
say yeah, no, I honestly didn't. I just know that
they've been drifting. Now. I've done drifting, and they did
a whole drifting show in Rochester that was on Netflix
and didn't get renewed for season two. But my buddy
Kevin van Volkenberg was brought into service to repair all
the cars.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Oh my god, we were talking.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
This is down on Kodak and those guys were hitting
light posts and things where he was yeah, no, yeah,
there was nothing. It was all wide open and these
guys are like, they'll drift through obstacle courses. I don't
know enough about drifting. It's not it's cool to do.
It's not something I've ever really focused on. And when
i'm I don't I love that with cars.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
I really didn't have any concerns about him driving it,
only because some people who drive with me think that
I drift normally, and so you know, he was in
control of the car. There wasn't like big spaces where
he could get a ton of speed, and then there
were the.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Issues with it.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
I didn't I wasn't more that wasn't for me. If
he was drag racing on the road or something. I'd
be like, okay, you can catch him air that that
can get danger. Yes, it was it was the kids.
I was thinking, oh my god, why what who did
he consult with?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
I don't think who did HBO consult with? Who did
the bills?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Pr?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I was like, I can't believe they're showing there with nobody.
And I thought the same thing with the kid. I
go the kid like, only because we're in twenty twenty five,
if you weigh more than ninety pounds right under night,
excuse me. If you're under ninety pounds, you're in a
back seat that's rear facing, right, you're that's the car
seat you're in.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Billy used that joke once doing a comedy show. This
hot shit got up to walk off, and she had
a little bit of a rattle with her shake.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
And he goes, hey, you know, hey, where you go?
You know, if you're under ninety pound, you got to
work use a car seat.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Car seat face out of the back. When she started laughing,
they're laughing at their boyfriends. There, I go, man, that'd
be great. If she gets drunk and she's yapping, you
just throw it in the car so drilled traffic. Let
her look out the rear window. Fucking but it's true, right,
And then so you see this and the helmets, you're right,
they're not built for a kid's head. And I don't

(23:20):
know drifting cars well enough, but most stuff where you're
doing I'll call it acrobatics in a car, whether it
be racing, whether it be drag racing. Their harness their
harness seats because they go over and they strap you in,
so you may because a lot of those I don't
know about modern day race cars, but a lot of
guys who drag their old cars, they don't have airbags,
so you need that harness in there. And I would

(23:42):
think for drifting that didn't look like although retro. I
was gonna say it was definitely a modified BMW, but.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
I couldn't tell what years, and it was modified specifically
for that. I mean, he had the aerodynamics and everything
specifically for that. But you know, and if you gotta
know Dion, that's Dion and would never know.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Be hurt.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
But I will say that the laws in certain parts
of New York State apply differently to the people that
are on that premises versus people who are off the premises.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Okay, that's why.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
All right, So the.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Laws if you're in a certain part of New York
State that has certain freedoms, and but you're you're on there,
whether you're part of that that culture, nation, that nation
is what it is, those laws still apply to you
as if you're native. And if once you walk off
and your so this is why, then the laws apply

(24:43):
to you as a Native America. Depending on where you're from,
whether it be Canadian or whatever, the law is still
apply to you. But there's certain certain exemptions that might have.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
That's I like that, and that makes it okay for HBO.
I'm waiting to see what's the push back, because everybody
has an opinion nowadays, and the greatest thing is they
can all express it and tell you exactly how they
feel or what's wrong with you. And this sort of thing,
to me, I go, I get it. You want to
blow off steam. I look, I having done drag racing
and some racing stuff. It's the only thing that I

(25:17):
have ever not. I had a hard time bringing my
adrenaline down from like I did it in the morning
a couple of times, and I was still buzzing at
eight o'clock at night. And I remember Marcellus Wiley saying
that on game day, for a one o'clock game, your

(25:38):
adrenaline is so pumped that even after the game, win
or lose, you can't calm down. And they would go
do something like the casinos up in Niagara or something
like that, and you'd be there all night because the adrenale.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I mean, isn't that the way you feel after a
Bills game?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
No, No, I'm usually exhausted, especially if I go watch it.
You come at your house, I'm tired. There's yelling there
after you guys leave.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah, I know the away games, and I come back
from the home games. I usually watch it replay to
relax in the calm down.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Why I tried too, I got the whole notebook, Like
what happened? I have to go back like like the stenographer,
like in the courtroom. Yeah, okay, so third and seven
and then fourth and four then they punt.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
No, yeah, but that is true.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
And you know, for Dion, I mean, Dion is such
a character, such a fun loving like.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
He seems like such a I hope this doesn't come
off almost patronizing, but he seems like such a sweet
guy like, what you see is what you got. I honestly, God,
you hear the term he'd give you the shirt off
his back used ad nauseum. Right. I think he's that
guy if you're in his circle.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah, and he's a brilliant guy. He's a really smart guy. Yeah,
there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You can't play in the NFL. I don't care what
anybody says.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
That is.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I mean the plays in the stuff in the field
or some of them.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
I okay, I got you that they know what their
role is there and then applying it outside of Hey,
look right right, I just.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Saw something today. We're gronk. It's like Brady yelling Gronk, Gronk,
stand up a play Like, but I go, there's so
many Yeah, I how do you? You got to be
a smart person, So I like Dianna I was.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
I didn't see him today, but my brother, man, if
anybody calls you to make sure you I got somebody
you should talk to. You answer any questions. Yeah. Look,
everybody has an opinion. Everybody's going to give an opinion
about about it, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
And Josh.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
I mean the funny thing about Josh in that video
is I always jokingly say to you guys, how Josh
has this socially awkward, like boyish charm he does. It's
a lot like my son, and and it's just so endearing.
And his awkwardness in the interview and stuff just to
me just shined right through. Is that that's who he is?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
He went with Pagoula on the tour of the new stadium.
Oh yeah, kept going on. But that's I mean I get, is.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
That polite, respectful, kind like person, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
You know, it's it's it's funny because I wrote for.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
You, finally stopped calling me mister Connor. Come on.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I wrote an article about the ten observations I had
from hard Knock for The Times. One of them was,
you know, somebody said this about hul Cogan recently passed away.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
They said, being HULLL.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Cogan once he became hul Cogan was a twenty four
seven three sixty five job for the rest of his life.
Being Josh Allen has now become a twenty four seven
three sixty five job. But nobody better could handle it
than Josh Allen just being himself.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
You know, in in for me, it's what you don't see.
It's him even when you don't see it right, even
when he doesn't know anybody's watching or listening, that's just
too he is. And that's really who his parents are.
I mean, his parents are that way. And I mean,
you couldn't have a better representative of the people of
Western New York than Josh Allen. And you know, and

(29:13):
you know, I think there's a video out there of
Josh had done some interviews and they blew the horn.
And they blow the horn at camp it means that
the players are supposed to come inside. That's mcdermot's way
of protecting the players, so they don't stay out there forever.
They have an excuse to go inside.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Ready.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yeah, And so Josh was doing some interviews, which he
seems to do like everybody wants to talk to him.
And after the interviews, he came and signed autographs for
the Mini Mafia and the community tent. And he had
come over to our area and had signed some and
the horn had already blown like fifteen minutes earlier, and
so he signed for a bunch and then he got

(29:51):
to a point and he was pulled away, and as
he pulled away, he heard this little girl crying like, oh,
my gosh. He turned around and it was a young
lady with down syndrome, and he went over and gave
her a hug and signed something and and when it happened,
I was just like that is when I saw him
walk back, I'm like, who, that's unlike him to go

(30:14):
back because he's usually got to go. But he saw
this little girl, and I mean his heart just poured
out first and he goes and then when he was there,
he then he did but he saw some service men
and women. He took his hat off and he shook
their hand. Now I see servicemen and women all the
time and I don't even think of doing that, But
that's just kind of that's his reaction of how he

(30:35):
is as a person. And it was just kind of like,
you know, I sent his parents at text. I'm like,
you know, you hear all the great things about your
kids that people talk about, and you see about that
you do I don't hear anything, yeah, but you know
it's like but nobody, but people are usually watching, and
nobody was watching. This just happened organically, and that's something

(30:56):
to be proud of as a parent. He's a reflection
of them and we know you taught him to do this,
because there are a lot of people that are in
Josh's position and even below it that don't do that.
Oh yeah, so that b where he is and he's
a rock star bossy, Yes, yeah, he is rock stars.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Well, the guy's the m v P of the league.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Oh yeah, it's like we're talking like O. J.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Simpsons, Mark Jackson, Lamar Jackson is the MVP of the league.
And he doesn't get that response.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
No he doesn't, and I yes he does not. Yeah,
he doesn't. I'll say that there. But yes, you're right,
and and and if there's somebody to study and watch
and how they handle themselves, Josh Allen's are great.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
There are names I don't want to name them who
have been to the top of the mountain, sometimes several times.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
And you don't get those same stories. They're mixed.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Even the pr public polish stories. You don't get the
same stories as you get from like Josh Allen. I've
never heard a negative or bad story about Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I don't think I have. And this is a wait
wait wait wait, they tried, they tried, they tried, they
which wasn't true.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
And I told you it wasn't true. The only the
only negative story about Josh, and this is the true
of knowing him now for seven eight years. The only
negative story of Josh, and it's really not negative, is
it when he goes to sign autographs, he'll look to
see where he's going. So he'll be signing and he'll look.
If he sees an adult, heal he goes a different direction.
Because it was like his rookie year and an adult

(32:24):
came up to him to sign an autograph, and he
was just like, that's weird. He was if my dad's
friends came to ask me for an autograph, I'd be like,
that's weird. Why you're an adult? Why are you coming after?
You know? Come on, you're adults now if you're a kid.
Because when he was a kid, he wants to get
an autograph and he got snubbed and it really affected

(32:44):
him for a long period of time. He was upset,
he felt rejected all those things. And actually it wasn't Montana,
and I can't remember who it was, the.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Guy who replaced Montana. No, was it the guy who
replaced Steve Young.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Steve Young replaced Montana, Gerbach replaced Steve Young.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
It was either Gerbach or Young.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
It could have been Matacas.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Montana has long retired before and Steve Young was like
at the end of like it was at ninety nine
was his last season.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
So it may have been Gerbach, it may have been
Bono or one of those guys.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
I don't know, And that he was kind of like
he was he felt so dejected, he was so like
turned off by it. Yeah, and he was like and
I think his mom, I think, told the story that
when he got home he said to her, when I
get famous like that, I'll never do that, and he
has held true.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I said the same thing to my dad too, did
you Yes, you are Dad.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I was hoping that we in in some reference, and
it's a five part series, The Hard Knocks, uh, something
about James could show me the running back. I mean,
when was the last time we have seen in sort
of a sit in?

Speaker 4 (33:53):
They said they said there was a cutoff though for
like they had to get all the film in so
by the time it got in he sat in after that.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
No, that okay, But I'm just saying, like, that's a
little bit of drama that I think people would be
interested in.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh, this next episode, all, yeah, it will Okay, have.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
You seen it? No, no, no, But when you see
Penfield grads, that's when you see.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Kind of like where their cameras are at and who
they're focusing on. You know, you'll see some stuff about
Joe Andres and Buffalo Joe, they fouled him. You'll see
some stuff with Cook. Trade A is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, well, he was funny.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
He's gonna get his own pits for Dary.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
It was funny. I could pits for Dary. Did they
get the greatest advertisement ever? It's fun You can't buy that.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
We were joking about.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
It's like when I was walking down with Dawson. Yeah,
and it was like, you can't buy that.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
People.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
If you scripted that, it wouldn't come off genuine, it
wouldn't come off that way. And trade A just randomly
showed up with the Hard Knights crew when he was
with Benford and they showed up. Nobody knew he was coming,
and they treated him like, hey man, I mean they
knew who he was because all of a sudden there
was a crew of like eight guys with cameras from.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
A couple of years ago to all these years.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
He came in and uh, but yeah, that's just him.
I mean, you couldn't. You couldn't pay for that kind
of no, you can't.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I thought that was absolutely, absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, Connors and Ferris is a title sponsor. He's, hey,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
We had best when we see you.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Well, I'm I'm trying to fly on any three radaris
on the side. I said that couch, that contract negotiats,
I'm not sure. I don't want to get under McDermott's
I want to stay off his radar.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Today was practicing full pads and I heard there was
some good stuff in the red zone offensively, but but
from what I was hearing from people, the defense was
pretty impressive.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, I mean, I mean Josh Josh, Josh played well.
I mean you always expect him to make throws. Dalton Finally,
Dalton made a couple of good plays, which he's been that.
Today was a little more flashy than he's had throughout camp,
which was good to see. Give me a little confidence,
get kind of get his mojo back. He's been quiet
in camp, which which is I don't know if he's

(36:06):
trying to stay under the radar or kind of because
of anything. The way the way the season ended, right,
I know he worked hard in the offseason. H he
really got after it, as did Keon. Keon has had.
By the way, my take, my hot take from camp.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Is Keon Coleman really If you're a fantasy football person
and I'm not either, I know Keon's not in the
top fifty receivers in terms of like fantasy football. At
least I was told that I would take Keon Coleman
when you could after whatever the other whatever round you,
You're under here, sleeper. And the reason why I say
that is that all camp he did like, didn't drop

(36:44):
one ball until the other day, uh until the Red
and Blue Blue stretch. But every ball Josh threw him
was at his helmet or higher. And he doesn't he
he separates in the air. He separates and can catch
the ball high where the defensive backs can They can't
elevate like he can. They're not as big as he
and he knows where he's going, and Josh puts it

(37:05):
where he needs to, because that's what Josh is with
his accuracy.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
He didn't drop a ball.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
He didn't drop one ball up until the Red and
Blue scrimmage. He was catching everything and you know when
and for me, when you get down on the when
you get on third, third down and long third and medium,
he's going to be a guy he's going to go to.
But then he's gonna have Dalton and Dawson and you
got Khalil, and I think he's going to be an
absolute weapon in the red zone getting the ball high

(37:32):
in the end zone to him. And I think that combination.
I think my over under for him is is plus
ten touchdown catches. Wow forer key on this year. And
I don't know if he'll get to a thousand yards
receiving only because he doesn't quite have the speed in
order to get some of the after catch run r.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Like Khalil, you know he he's he's shifty, he can
make that happen. Kurt Samuel has that speed, you know,
Josh Palmer some of that too. I don't I don't
know if he has that long ball catch, but he's
gonna have that mid range, big time catch on third down,
second and long third and long. Key. I think is

(38:12):
gonna have a breakout year this year. And he's committed.
He he wants to prove everybody wrong. And when he's
around and you hear him talk, he's you know, he's hilarious.
He's like, yeah, I remember what people said at the
end of last year.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
It.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Sounds like he did a lot of work in the
offseason and he's got it.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
He's walking around with a you know, there's a difference
between cocky and confidence, right, He's put the work in,
so he's confident. He's prepared. Yeah, and it's it's been
fun watching him this year camp with Josh. You know,
Josh Palmer has not quite performed where you I would
have thought he would with the experience coming in with
a guy like Josh after being out and with the Chargers.

(38:52):
But you know, again, it might be one of those
things like Curtis Samuel last year didn't really hit his
stride into the last five or six games and then
he kind of showed up. So that might be something
with Palmer again more second half of the year, once
Josh figures out where to put the ball where he fits.
But yeah, I'm excited and.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
The whole thing.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Sorry about the defense. The defense today, to me, the
biggest question is the defense, and that defensive line is
starting to finally figure things out and I think see
what they're talking about in terms of spacing and Bobby Babbage,
the defensive coordinator. You saw a little bit on a
Hard Knocks a little bit, Yes, yes, they talk about
it all the time. He is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
He seems to have a real personality, like surprised me.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
I didn't expect I would suspect that over the over
the next four episodes of Hard Knocks. Bobby Babbage is
a personality. He's a fun, energetic, high energy, in your
face you hear. You can hear him talking to the
background in some of the audio last night. He's got
a vocabulary like, you know, like a truck driver. Nothing

(39:52):
against truck drivers. And he is hilarious. I think you'll
hear more of him though, He'll get more of him
because he's Sean is very calculated, he's very.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
You know, everything was very measured with Sean.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Very smart guy and as.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
He is, he is like the guy's done an unbelievable
job where no matter what we've heard people calling for
him not to be here, whatever, they have done something
that the Bills haven't done since Marv Levy and the.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Sabers haven't done since what twenty five years ago since.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, I was gonna say even done. Since Tom Gollison.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Nineteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
They went to the conference finals and went to a
game seven, right, nineteen years ago.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, so I I I nothing close, No.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
And I think I look at the Buffalo Bills, and
the only thing I can think there is the league
has gotten tougher because everybody's doing the you know, everybody's
looking for the edge to be better, better, better, you know.
I mean, Joe Burrows had an unbelievable season last year.
Many people think he would have won the MVP had

(40:59):
his team done better. Defensively, they sucked and they didn't
have a great record.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Well, Burrow's also got a problem stay on the field too.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I mean that's not like that's true.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Mean, dude, he did last year, but I mean I earlier.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
This season, he always like that they got pop by
the Patriots. I think of the first week of the
season at home.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Yeah, one thing like one in four. Well, he's got
these starts.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
It's like, dude, like, you can't they start your season
in October?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
You're absolutely right, they were.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, it's a slow starter.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
We'll take a moment. I want to talk about two
things the AFC East rival that has me concerned, and
somebody who's beloved by the bills. But the rosters come
out and they've been demoted, and I think it's okay.
I think it's a good thing. Okay, good, okay. I
can't wait to hear those. We'll get to all that

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(43:34):
used to live by my mom, so yeah, and Rhinebecks.
You would see him. He lived down by the Ryan
Cliff and the Rhyanecliffe Hotel, which now has become fancy,
But when I was a kid, not so much. Like
every punk man would play in there and shit, and
they had pool tables, and we used to have our
friend from high school, Nate, and Nate had like ruddy
skin and he was a bigger guy and off, so

(43:57):
this is what's our I think the tod they must
have laughed their asses off. He would go in and
he would order a picture of beer like bud why whatever, Right,
we didn't give a shit. Could have been old German
and he's like a tough day at IBM and he'd
have the tie hanging down and this collar undone thing
to tie didn't exactly match the desert and we'd be

(44:20):
over playing pool and drinking beer underage at seventeen and
at the Rank Cliff Hotel killer show. Uh no, what's
the matter.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Disappointed?

Speaker 1 (44:30):
But I got a picture of you from there. I said,
you looked happy. You looked very happy. Yeah? Who sent
Did I send you a picture of me? You did not?
Who said did not? Oh? I was with yes, the
woman that cuts my hair, Yeah, Randy.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
Which reminded you we have to have a conversation.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Oh we do? Oh yeah, interesting, Okay, your attorney wants to.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Talk to you, Well I have yeah, I have to,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
She was actually standing in front of us, yes, and
uh and then we saw each other and she came
over and we took a picture to send to you.
She's like where's Bill. I'm like, I thought he was
gonna be here.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah, no, no, no, Bill, I've been laying low. July
was a lost month for me. It was just like
I lost that month.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
That was That was crazy, so killers man, there was
so many opportunities for that to be like a pivotal
great moment of Finger Lakes Semac Bill's training camp, and
it felt on a dud. It was so anti climactic
for me.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
It just well, I did see the confetti, yeah coming down.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Seemac did a great job with that.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
And Sarah Axerrod who runs SEMAC, I mean she put
her heart and soul and trying to make something happen,
to make some you know, for the patrons of seam Act,
to make a special in the mafia, and between the
Bills and the Killers and everything. It just was one
of those things where it just didn't work. Yeah, you know,
you got twenty year old guys that you're throwing a

(46:04):
complication or two or here or there, and you have
a curfew and yeah, all of a sudden, she's easier.
There was a lot of good plans for that to happen.
A lot of cool things to happen, and it just
didn't come to fruition. It was a great show and
I really enjoyed it. The anti climactic thing for me,
and I'm sure you have listeners that were there, was

(46:26):
when they came on to sing the last song and
he says, he says, don't tell anyone, but when we
sing the song, we're Bill's fans. And that was the
only acknowledgment to the Bill's mafia and to the Bills
fans that were there. It was it hit like a
lead balloon. Ah. And when you if you were there

(46:48):
and you looked at the crowd two Thursday, seventy five
percent of the people there, Yeah, had something Bills on yep,
like the sure right or a hat or something. I
mean women, men, sure that.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Connors and Farrish really, Ferris, that's a nice ship.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
And so it was kind of like, you know, there
was some anticipation or acknowledge that Vineyard and vine was
It's I don't know what it is, yes he does
now now. The night before the night before I was
at jow Rule and Nelly at Darien Lake, Okay, and
those guys wrought it.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Man, I fucking love this, Oh God, I love this.
You were that. Yeah, yeah, joh Rule and Nelly. I mean, honestly,
nowadays that's little old school, very right ole school.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Yeah, the old schools Killers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I forget Killers, early two thousands. I always listened to
the Killers when I would mow my lawn and I
had the house in Pittsford and that had to be
like five and I did not have an iPad iPod.
I had some other CD. It wasn't even that it was.
It was an m P three player, but it wasn't
your phone.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Soon so we're at Darren Lake with Johu and Nelly
after the Red and Blue. I was on the drive
home something.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Why why not stop?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Sure, they talked about they blew up the Bill's Mafia,
the Buffalo Bill. They were all about it, and every
time they had mentioned it, the crowd would go erupt
and just go crazy. And they really played it, which
gave it an additional energy to the crowd and to
them as they were playing, because you know, you feed
off each other, and I just didn't. The Killers had

(48:32):
an opportunity, and whoever their business manager is, they did
not capitalize. I mean they could have had hard knocks there,
They could have done that and they just didn't. They didn't.
It didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
And if you got Hard Knocks involved, there would have
been players there.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Well yeah, yeah, but you saw that they did. They
did bring in mister Bright's side, they did bring in
the song, they had all that, but it was it
was an after a fact creation of all those things things. Yeah,
as opposed to what I what could have been an
organic celebration of you know, having them wearing the Josh
Allen jersey, the Dawson Knox, the Dalton Kincaid. Could have

(49:12):
had Dawson Anlyx there, Dalton there Ja there, yeah, you know,
and and I mean that it would have been a
great theater for both Hard Knocks, the Bills and CMAC
and the finger Lakes. And so it's just, you know,
sometimes artists are artists, you can't. You know, it's the

(49:34):
creative arts.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It is the creative arts. And you're right, people can
get temperamental, and there are egos involved, that's the other thing.
And to be feel like you're going to be upstates
on your stage, which isn't the case. They're incorporating you
into their world and vice versa. And that's what music
should be. And I always say, like, you know, we'll
talk about this in a little while, but you look

(49:56):
at life a little differently. I think that all life
is a feelings because we go back with music to
a feeling we had, the person, the feeling, the things,
the smell that brings back the memory of the feeling.
That's really all we have in this life to take
with us. And it's too bad because I think, I

(50:17):
think what you said about artist is pretty accurate there.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
You know, and it's like, you know, my dad's passed
away twenty five years ago. I'll hear songs that remind
me of when we were together twenty five years ago,
tagating at Bill's games, and it takes me right back
to that moment when I was thirty years old. I
was twenty five years old. That's what music does. And
I don't want to say they robed like an opportunity

(50:41):
to have that, but it just kind of it was.
It was anti climactic. It was there was an opportunity
and it just feels like it was squandered. But we
all had a great time. I mean, it was a
great show.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
It looked like it was a good crowd too. I
was a great crowd.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
It was huge. But again, you know, and everybody that
was there, knowing what was going on and knowing how
hard the people at SEMAC were trying to make it
extra special for the patrons that were there and for
the finger Lakes and all of it, it just was
like a damn man.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
It could have been like next level.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
I mean, it truly could have been a viral, next
level occurrence.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
That I mean.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Look, I mean I like the Killers, but I'm a
Bruno guy.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yes, yes, well Bruno speaks to you, Bruno. Yeah, community,
there's a vibe there is, there's a whole vibe with him.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
To me, the Killers have become relevant in the last
two years because of the Bills. I agree their resurgence
is because of the Bills mafia.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
In my opinion, well, there are a few things. The
Bills are part of it.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Michigan and Alabama would play that song in the third
between the third and fourth quarters, long before they did
it with the Bills. I think the Bills research is
because that's there's a video got it from yeah, Josh Allen,
and there's a wedding where they're attending maybe it was
Dawson Dawson, and they're also sick of the song.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
So then it went viral.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
So of course they start playing at the stadium, and
then it became a Bill's song, you know, like every
college football team has a certain song they go to.
Several college football programs have adopted mister Bright's side.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I think. I also think that the Killers. I think
they live in Vegas and they just go out on
the streets. Sometimes it's set up and play.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
That's cool, just like they'll go down to Fremont Street.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
It just started.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
I doubt he wears that black sequence pants black shirt.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
The Mormons really, yes, I didn't know that Brandon Flowers.
Brandon Flowers is a Mormon. They actually have an interview
with him and Richard Dawkins, I like talking about like
the faith versus eighth years Dawks.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Maybe it was Christopher Hitchets, one of the two of them, Dawks.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
No, if you saw me, not even close.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
It was either Christopher, but the one who's still alive,
the two of them, like, you know, but the interesting
thing and again I mean I I like the Killers.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
They're not a band that I would like run to,
but the band itself is interesting because you have the
lead that had the sequence full outfit. And then you
have the band members and they look like they look
like they were from horn Out. They had long beard,
scruffy T shirt, jeans. You know, they look like they

(53:23):
look like the guys that went to high school.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
They just stuffed out of the tasting room of a
craft brewery.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Yeah, it was. It was interesting and it was like,
what a contrast between the front guy and the other guys.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Right, So I thought.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
There'd be an interesting like and I was very optimistic
that they would all kind of like jump in at
the end and create this great enthusiastic environment of it
and it but but you know what, Look, it's fun.
We're end of the season. We still embrace mister Bright's side.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Sure, and we have football now every Sunday and every
Sunday till till Baladi.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
By the way, if you get a chance, look up
on the on YouTube the Killers doing Doing Born with
Bruce Springsteen.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Do yourself a favorite?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Oh really? Yeah? Is that good? It's all right, I'll
find it. Well, we should do that. Talk to me
about a guy who became I'm going to say, for
lack of a better term, somewhat of a folk hero
in a way for Buffalo Bills fans and players and
certainly somebody who should have gotten the recognition he did.

(54:22):
And Tomorrow Hamlet, we were at your house in your
basement when that game, when we watched all that happen,
and he literally died on the field and brought back.
I thought you'd be insane to go back to a
game that is all about like pounding you into the earth.
It's just he did. He's successful, he came back, and

(54:44):
now it looks like he's second on the depth chart.
I didn't think the guy was necessarily a starter sometimes.
I think when we you and I were at the
Denver game, Danny on that Monday night when they when
Denver kicked and they missed the field goal and the
Bills would have won by a point. He was a
twelve guy in the field. So those kinds of things
always stuck with me. But I mean, what do we

(55:06):
think is Demorrow Hamlin he was? I don't think he
was ever a starter. And I always say this. I
prefaced it with this, do you know how good you
have to be to suck at the NFL? And he
doesn't suck at the NFL? No?

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Well, I mean, I would say in terms of this camp.
He has played really, really well. This is the best camp,
better than last year, better than his rookie year before
any of the injury. He is playing well. You know.
The thing with him is when he when when when
everything happened, he came in. Nobody knew who he was, right,

(55:44):
but he was a good solid. He would come over
and talk with us, we'd have small talk. I had
to look him up in the program because I didn't
even know who the hell he was. But he always
would come over. He'd always say hello. And then next thing,
you know, Michael Hyde gets hurt. Now he's practicing, now
he's on the active roster, and then he's playing, and
you know, and then everything happens and he becomes tomorrow

(56:07):
Handlin's we know him today. His his life and everybody's
life changed that night. And we were there. We were
in the man case, Yeah we were. And and you know,
for him to get back to be able to get
at that same level last year, he was a starter
for us. You know, the Mars. The Mar's knocked before
everything went down was his speed, right, his foot speed,

(56:28):
his responsiveness, that was his knock. He's worked really hard
in this offseason. His foot speed, has improved, he's got
better instincts, he's got the he's now a veteran in
that position. The Bills brought him back, they gave him,
you know, he he he worked hard for the contract
that he has. They got him on a one year
deal and he's going to prove himself because you know,
last year was his year back after after everything that went,

(56:50):
everything that happened. I thought he's had a great camp
so far.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Good.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
You know, there there's been one or two times where
I thought, wow, he's actually gotten a step or two.
He's actually in the mix. He hasn't missed a step.
And then there's a situation where all of a sudden,
it's like he's dragging a bit. You know, he's he's off,
he's behind, he's on the back shoulder once a little bit,
and then you see cold Bishop and cold Bishop is
Actually there aren't as many times where he's he's on

(57:17):
the back shoulder as opposed to you know, being on
the front side. And those are the things that they
look at. That's the difference between starting YEP and being
number two.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
It is it's really it's like a half a step.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
And and so you know, for me, I was a
big Damar fan before anybody knew who he was, just
because he was always good guy who was come by
and say hello, always sign autographs for the kids. He
still does, He still comes by when he can.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
But he you know, he like watched him last year
that was crazy. Oh yeah, he was just flooded last
year at camp and I would assume much the same
this year.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
And so when you look at when you look at
his talent, you look at what he brings to the table.
And again in the NFL, man you want to talk
about Rachel, I mean, look at look at Spector. Yeah, Spector,
he's been a guy who's got great talent. He just
can't stay on the field. The Bills just cut him,
just cut him. They got they got Buffalo Joe now
in his role, who was a ub guy. And you know,

(58:16):
if you would have said, you know, spect.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
For Buffalo Joe, how great is that?

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I mean killing the guy.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Yeah, he came around today. You know, with Spector getting released,
was kind of like he was a little more comfortable
being there. I think, oh, I think he feels just
like Ray Davis. This year, Ray Davis has signed a
lot more autographs he's much more engaging kind of his personality.
Last year he just wanted to make the team and
he proved himself. He was a little more comfortable, and
I think Buffalo joined after inspector getting.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
A little more comfortable.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
What do we what do you think is going to
happen with with Cook? I've read many different things. There's
a they could work out a trade with and I
forget the team off the top of.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
The Kyron Williams contract yesterday might.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Be precedent for where Jimbo, as they call him, Jimbo
Cook will Land. I don't like Greg get into more
of that. But Kyral Williams plays for the Rams. Yeah,
he plays twice as many play He.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Gets signed for eleven essentially because I was thinking, like
you go at eleven or ten? It seems okay. And
I read somewhere that the people think this will work
out and he'll sign a three to five year deal
forty three million dollars deal. Whether how much is guaranteed,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
The difference is Williams is a three down back, but
his production in three downs. Jim James Cook doesn't two downs.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
So the question is okay, Well, then are you gonna
pay him a little bit more or is that is
that the floor or what?

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Yeah, I mean Cook's already beans made Cook a solid deal, okay?
And Cook put through the line in the sand. Yeah,
and said he's Saquon money and he's Derek Henry money,
and and and as from what I've heard, the the
offer to him was more than what Williams got, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And he said, so meant that may maybe there'll be
a reconsideration now potentially see what somebody else got this
year in this market.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
But the difference is is that you have a brother
who is he has a brother who was in the
league and knows this is where he makes his money
because his life expectancy is not beyond three years. And
you know, the one thing the Bills did not, as
I understand, is that they they there was a three
year offer. He wants five. Why because running backs don't

(01:00:31):
last nine years in the NFL unless you're Derrick Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Or or.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Henry, that's a freak, freak freak. So is Christian McCaffrey,
by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
But CHRISTI McCaffrey hurt a lot, got hurt, He's got hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
And by the way, his brother after he signed his
big contract, he didn't play another full year ever. You know,
so it's kind of like, you know, it's James Cook
is Actually he's a why humble person. You know, you're
gonna see video of him probably in the next week

(01:01:06):
or so where he comes off looking like he's an arrogant,
standoffish prick, but he's really not. He's I don't think
he is either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And the other thing is we can all make these
assessments and judgments of somebody in a position that we've
never played. Yeah, I've never been on an and I've
never had people that are the biggest you can find
on the planet running at me and trying to knock
the ball out of my hand or just plant me

(01:01:35):
in the dirt. So I always think with these things, yeah,
you hold out to see what you can get. I
don't blame anybody. It's America. We're a capitalist society, I mean,
and I'm all for it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
I think James Cook has played this perfectly, okay. Is
that he came in the camp he did. He proved
he was in shape, he proved that he was fit.
He's probably you know, his foot speed, quickness, the first
three days were he he shined, he was the best, Yeah, Josh,
and then you had Cook. Those are the two best

(01:02:08):
players on the field when he was there. And then
it's like, I don't need to prove myself. He's proven
to the team, he's ready to play. He's proven to
the rest of the NFL. He's ready to play. Why
would he then jeopardize his legs, which is what his
lifeline is to play in practice, it's practice, as as
Ai the original AI would say, Yeah, I love it,

(01:02:31):
as the original AI would say.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
It's practice. I would recommend anybody watch the documentary. It's
a docuseries kind of of the rebuilding of Reebok with
Shack at Ai shacks the president. Ai is the vice president.
It's really interesting. It was well done. Yeah, it was
very well done. And I thought Ai came off pretty good.
A little more shy, a little more reserve, and I

(01:02:55):
think he's a little more.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
If you made the connection yet on all and then
the the Bills thing when they went into UH, when
they went into the when they went into the draft,
did you make that connection yet?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I did not?

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Come on, come on, guys, with a I in the schedule,
Remember how when being there was a release from the
Bills and Old said and it was and they I
and then he called Josh Allen and Josh said, hey,
just use AI. So yeah, now who did Josh sign

(01:03:29):
with in the off season?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Did he sign with bach? I know he signed with Rebo?

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Oh that's amazing. Oh wow, So he pulled some strings
because that was a really cute hype video for the schedule.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Really a man, Josh, Josh, Josh and his team and
Halley have they really they think of everything. And that's
just kind of the way that they are. That's that's him.
And he's that genuine you know, he's he's a he's
an old he's an older man in the young kid's body.
He was a young kid. He's a kid, right and

(01:04:06):
and but yeah, you look at that, and that whole
thing is like full circle ship.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
It's funny because I'm a young kid in an old
man's body.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Not wearing like rebox spikes during Bills games.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Well he can't because he can't run.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, he can't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
So everything outside of everything outside of the field, Well,
you remember, you remember what Nike did right with Kelly, Well, no,
what Nike did with Michael Jordans. Yes, Nike said, we'll
pay every fine of his that the NBA because he
wasn't he's supposed to wear.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Converts was they did, and then when they won and
it was the Olympic, the Olympics, he covered with the flat.
He was super loyal to that, I mean, and why
wouldn't he be my god?

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
And again, Josh, it's a throwback kid man. He loves movies,
he loves nostalgia. And it's like, you know, Reebok was
the thing back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
In the day that was Shacks, that was Shack's company.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yeah, well it is now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
But he like, like everybody else was doing Nike and
I'm like, hey, Shack, rebox it right here. Yeah, I
remember I had a pair of those shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Yeah you did the Shack show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Yeah at that? Oh yeah, I loved I loved Shack.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
And then you look at what Ja's done. I mean,
Jay has an equity ownership of New Era. It's a
family owned company.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
So let me just say this.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
The Cook family owns it and they gave Josh Allen
a ownership equity ownership in a family owned company.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
So there is a young woman, uh, maybe not so
young anymore. Which she's in her mid forties. Her name,
her name is Katie Moran. Uh, she is not my sister,
she is my cousin. Okay, she spells her name kt y.
My sister was k t I E. She has an

(01:05:46):
NBA and has worked for Nike. She's worked for some
other products and now just a couple of months ago,
I found out it works for New Era. No kid
lives in Park City, Utah. Probably handles more of your
West Coast stuff, sure, but that's uh yeah, so I
don't know when she'll be in Buffalo, but by I
planned to find out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Again New Era owned by a it's a privately hut
comedy owned by a family in Buffalo, New York. It's
actually Derby, New York. And Derby, yes, Derby, the Cook family.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Who even heard it? How big is Derby?

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Derby's between Angola and Hamburg. And it's a tiny, little,
tiny little village on the lake. Okay, and uh yeah,
I mean it's on Route five. The plant used to
be on Route five. I don't if it's still there,
but oh yeah, like my cousin John Miller's, my cousin
John Miller's grandmother like worked for New Era I don't
know she I think she was, you know, pretty high up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Yeah, well they I mean it used to be new
era stadium, right, They were paying for all the nights.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
And when they laid everybody off, they handed like, we
can't have her name on the stadium anymore.

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Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Ladies and gentleman pra spree Steed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Ladies and gentlemen. Josh Allen would have been nice. I
like so don't know. By the way, I love that venue.
I'm a very venue, A big fan of that venue.
They've done such a nice job over the years, maintaining
expanding a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
And Sarah's done a great job over there. They got
a great show this year. That I mean, their lineup
for this summer has been fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Well, they hid bad Lads, did a few songs. Who's
the lead singer of the Killers, Brendan Flowers. Yeah, he
looks like he could be here, but he has not
aged in twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
And you know what he looks like is uh? Who's
the comic? He was a writer for Esson Alum. Then
he went on to be very no. I'll figure that later,
but she told me he was an accountant. I want
to believe it. I feel like Bruce and Away. And

(01:11:00):
I don't know if this is even accurate or not,
but it's sort of had a I Bob Dylan asked
in terms of the writing, right was writing about his life?
Where Dylan was writing. I love the Dylan movie. I
thought it was fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Yeah, I see it if if you can, because it
only takes you up to when he goes electric at
what was the New Orleans or the Rhode Island. I
think it was up in the Rhode Island the Newport
Jazz Festival, and he went electric there. People were pissed.
And it's still like it was very controversial at the time,

(01:11:36):
but all everything up to that point was really interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
So you got to make yourself relevant.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Jude, look at you. I'd be so nervous to sing
with like somebody like you know what I mean, not
that I have that talent, but you do you do it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I could.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I think Danny underestimates it's very talented.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Think what's interesting is it. I've watched people now around
Josh who are you know, seasoned business veterans in Rochester
and Buffalo, even politicians, and Josh walks up and people
go wow, like swallow them like they can't talk, and it's, uh,
you know, it's just an interesting dynamic that when you

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get somebody that's like great, you know, bigger than life,
you think, and then and he's such a goofball and
he makes you know, he's so you know, I'll say, disarming.
Is that you just kind of like if you have
a teenage son, then you can talk to Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
You can talk Josh because he really is.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Like this happy, go lucky good guy and he just
loves and any any like stupid trivia when it comes
to movies or different things. He's that guy. Like when
you watch Hard Knocks, he's talk he's talking to Terry Pagoula.
He's looking for things to like be able to like
talk about, to be like funny and quip and and
and that. You know, that's what when you have a

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superstar like him that has that groundedness, I mean it's transformational.
I mean it's unique.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
He was talking about gravity. At one point. I was like,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
He was. They were having it that. That's right. They
did get a little deep.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
A trifical force or something like that about you brought
you say.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
The word grounded. I noticed something because I did go
to training camp and I noticed something that I'm wondering
if it'll be featured on Hard Knocks or not. And
I'm gonna call it grounding where they had players with
some of the trainers walking around barefoot on the field.

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And I'm just telling you from because I have another
podcast called Bill Lightman where we talk more about the spiritual,
worldly kind of stuff. That that's a big thing, like
they're even in Australia.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Now it's not a trainer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Oh, it's not a trainer. Well, I watched a couple
guys and I go, that's an interesting thing because there
are times while I will grab a cup of coffee
and walk out my front door and just walk on
the grass in the morning early on. But I've been
doing that, Tod and Mat, I've been doing that for years.
But it was weird to see them do it. Like
I'm watching Greg after am I and I'm standing there.

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I was a guest of Doctor Rice who threw fishers
and yes, you were at his house. He is the
head of the mental health the farmer over there and
we're watching it and I went wow, and he goes, yeah,
they're grounding these guys, and I go, that's an interesting thing.
It's almost like you can feel your This is gonna
sound really weird and kind of queer. You're like one

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with the earth, but you can feel the Earth's vibrations.
There's a greater connection to the ground. There's a little
more grounding for you, it brings you sort of down
a dirt. Yes, but I mean yes, but but I
thought that was interesting. I hadn't seen that anywhere, and
there were a couple a number of players doing it,
and I thought it was a trainer, not a trainer.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Yeah, it's part of their you know, it's the Mac
Collins effect.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Actually is it really is?

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
And then they've got a you know, I guess I'll
say a team psychologist that in part of it with
Mac brought to the whole whole team and just the
whole concept of like being grounded and getting in touch
with yourself is like touching.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
The earth, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
But it's really I think it's so true.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
And I can tell you after practice there are multiple
players that walk the field and having to have someone
they talk to as are going up and down, and
what they're doing is that they're talking about practice, the
things that happen in practice, the things that occurred, how
it occurred, what they would do differently, how they prepare
for the next day. And and again I mean in

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terms of dealing with life, is that those are the
things that you should be, you should do in terms
of enjoy, enjoy the moment and prepare for the future.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
That's a really good it was. It was interesting to me.
It stood out to me. I don't know how many
other fans picked up on it. I was curious to
see if HBO Hard Knocks, excuse me, if Hard Knocks
would pick up on that. But I don't know. I
don't even know if it's that interesting to other people.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
I can tell you I haven't because of the players
that are participating, I have not seen hard Knocks out
there with them when they do that. Okay, yeah, I
would think probably, but it's you know, I've had an
opportunity to get exposed to some of the players. You know,
they call them island players in the NFL, guys that

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are out there, and a lot of what those guys
are doing these days are all mental health, mental preparation,
positive thinking, positive perspective, getting grounded, being a part of
like the I'm gonna say centripical force of the world,

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but but being being control of yourself as opposed to
the external world controlling you your thoughts in your manner.
And when you talk about these island players in the NFL,
which are guys like the punter, the kicker, the snapper,
Josh you know, the defensive backs, the guys that are
out there on an island that aren't in that that

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have some individual responsibilities that these are things these guys
are trying to focus on because there's a lot of
pressure on you, you know, Trdavious White, he's one on
one with you know, you know, with Ti Kill. If
he runs and gets burnt, everybody sees Tredevius White running
after him. They don't see the other ten guys that
didn't necessarily do their job necessarily. And it's a different

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mindset to be able to prepare for it and then
respond to it when it doesn't go the way you
hope or expect. And Mac Collins, I would attribute Mac
Collins to bringing that as part of I'd say Sean
mcnummer's evolution as a coach and helping his team prepare
and giving them the opportunities prepare for to be as
successful as they possibly can.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yeah, I thought, I thought it was just very interesting
and very open, right open to these ideas. Mac no
longer with the Buffalo Bills. He's with a goddamn Patriots case,
and that is where my concern comes in. They've been
having joint practices with the Commanders. They're going to play
the Commanders in their first preseason game this weekend. Rabel
is their new head coach. Yeah, there was a scrum

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on the field between the Commanders and the and he
jumped in the middle and he got punched in the
face and had blood dripping down his face and all
this stuff. And what concerns me is like, he's going
to rally the fucking troops Greg because they know he
was a player. He played fourteen years in the league.
He played with the Chiefs, he played with the Patriots.

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I forget the other team. There was a third team.
I believe in there and this guy, and I go,
he is going to turn this team around, and I
don't want him to.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Yeah, I mean I think at this point right now
is that I think the Patriots are a team. The
Patriots are a team that will win games because they
had him as a coach. Yeah, but they don't have
the talent and they don't have they don't they don't
have the people they need in the right spots yet.
But if that team gets some turnovers, Dan, Yeah, this

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is when they're they're in a game, they're dangerous. They're
a score or two down, and then they get a
turnover in the second half and they're they're within one score.
They can make things happen that they can upset a
team or two.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
I think the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
If the Bills may have a few losses this year,
the Patriots will definitely be one of them if they do.
And the reason is because the Patriots always played the
Bills tough. With the Belichick, they played them tough. I
mean in New England. You know, well they beat him
in Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
In that one game where they do the ball but no, no,
I mean, but still they still beat them Mets. No,
they had the touchdown that the touchdown run on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
But I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
The point is, though, is that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
The Patriots are always tough. Vrabel's always be a good
coach when he was in Tennessee. The reason he's no
longer coaching in Tennessee's because the owner like was walking
on shells around him, and finally she was like the
real the original or died his daughter takes over the team,
and she's like, I can't deal with this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
He's too neanderthalish. He needs to go.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Because apparently, like everyone was walking out eggshells around Frable
he's pretty intense.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
I mean, I don't know if you saw the press
conference last week that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
Went viral when the guy he's at the press conference,
the media guy asked the same question that the previous
guy asked. So Frabel like kind of get snarky with him.
It says, well, I don't know if you were in
a como and I just answered that question recently.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
So in ESPN they're like, I don't like when they
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
It's a great answer. He asked the question, you answered
the question with it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
But he accountable and that's why coaches are successful. Like
Sean McDermott has some of that. Rabel has that. That's
why he was successful in Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
Yes, he's smart, like he would have a smart Belichick
when they would play him. I mean, Loo's gonna give
the Bills problems. They're gonna be good this year and
Drake May.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
They're gonna be better.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not saying that they're gonna over
They're not gonna win the division, but I think they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
I think the Patriots do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
I think the Patriots gonna make the playoffs over over
the Dolphin.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
There's always four to six teams. I think Miami's toast.
I think McDaniel they don't respect them. They're saying now
that people are holding each other more accountable into it
in Miami. Yeah, let's wait until September. Let's wait until
Tua could play an entire season healthy. I don't I
think this is uh Mike McDaniel's last year in Miami.
I don't think he becomes a head coach again. I
think he goes back to being an offensive coordinator, perhaps
in San Francisco under Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
I don't see him last.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
There's always four to six teams that didn't make the
playoffs the year before that make it back.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
I think New England's going to be one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
And if the Bills, like I've said, they could go undefeated,
I'm not saying they will. I said they're favored in
every game, but usually they lose about three or four games.
New England will be one of them if they're probably
in Foxborough, not in Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
But I could see that. Yeah, I mean, you got what,
let's be a jack.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
It's just talking about, like you know, a leader to
jump in and get beat up like that's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
He's a huge Campbell except experience.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Dan Campbell is another one, right, you see this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
But Rabel's always been a bright dude, always been a
bright And I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
I'm thinking you go beyond the extras and os. You're
in there, you're in the fight with them, right that
that's that's different.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
The interesting thing for me is how does he manage
how does he manage the cancer that Stephan Diggs brings
great question.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
By the way, as predicted here, he's still on the roster.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Yeah, you did say that. I thought he was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
He's not like, nothing's gonna happen to stuff on.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
Lose after He's always good for a year he comes in.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Canell be the one thing you have to remember when
like Billy Bean, who was the general manager of the
Oakland A's, he's moneyball, moneyball. He was the perpetrator of moneyball, right,
and nobody in the organization ship would mess with him
because they knew that he was the alpha male in
the organization Giombi's. They wouldn't mess with him like Miguel Tahata,

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none of like Moulder and uh and Barry.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
See, you don't know, nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Would f with that guy because they knew he was
the toughest MOFO in the organization. So whatever he said
went down. Whoever the alpha male is in the organization,
they will follow. And Rabel is the alpha male in
that organization. No one's crossing that dude, No, not even
Stefan Diggs. And if Stephan Diggs.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Wants to there's the door. I think he'll.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I think he'll play his way through the season unless
he gets hurt like he did in Houston. But I
but in all seriousness, I think he will mind his
p's and q's for speaking with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Much since camp is open. Yeah, I mean nothing that's
been grabbing the headlines.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
I don't know you say that because in Buffalo during
that time period there was a transition of alpha. Mm hmm, right,
because alpha was McDermott, Yes, and then Josh came in,
and Josh had his first year and did well, but
they needed somebody to that Josh could go to the
count on and then Stephan Diggs came in, and then

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there was a bit of a question mark is is
it McDermott, Is it Josh or is it Stefan?

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
And then when Stephan looked back at Josh after he
dropped a bomb and held his fingers this far apart
after a year before that, looking at Josh holding him accountable,
It's like, Okay, bro, you can't you can't back up
with your talk.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
You're out. That's true, and they agree with that, and
they had to send him packing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
I agree, but I mean like, but Belichick and Brady
may have hated each other, but you did not want
to disappoint either one of those guys in New England
and in Buffalo. You do not want to disappoint Josh Allen.
You do not want to disappoint Sean McDermott.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
I'll throw this question out there, who's the one who
made the call McDermott or Bean.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
To get rid of Stephan Diggs. I'm gonna say Dermot
or Bean. You mean yeah, I'm going to keep Terminta Allen. No, No, Bean,
I'm gonna say Bean. I'm gonna say Sean McDermott. I'm
gonna say Bean because he has what I would call
the ten thousand foot view versus McDermott, who's in the
fight every day.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
Because I can tell you Josh was not the guy
that said he's got to go that's Josh, Josh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Do you know the answer to this.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Okay, I'm saying being only because you're you're you get
to step back right like a monetue, I would see
the whole picture. Where as the coach, you're in that
thing every day and you go, I see what he brings.
Let's get this play to him. He can get open,
he can get separation, he can do this. That's the
other stuff. Do you think it's McDermott, No, I I
I I think I think you're right. I think with Bean,

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I think Bean sees a big picture. I think McDermott
is in there and hey, he has a mindset.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
He wants a certain type of players the coach, and
I think Bean sees it and knows it and then
tries to bring him that guy. And I think, I
think when when when Diggs didn't make the play, Bean
said he's got to go because he doesn't fit what
McDermott needs and what we need to have this team
being which is about each other. And the one thing
about this team that the more you get around him,

(01:25:58):
and as they kind of mature and they get in
through the years, I think the tighter and the smaller
they get. I think Josh's circle, you know, you're talking
about seven people. I think Josh the circle has gotten
smaller and smaller as it comes in only because he
sees guys come in and out that we're in and
then out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
And I think they're trying to do that for him,
to bring these guys in that fit that they understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
And it might be for a year.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
That's what Belichick did, and that's what Belichick did in
New England. Guys come in, they buy in for a
year or two because they want they want that ultimate success,
which is a super Bowl win. And and that's why
I think what Being and mcdermottd have done is they've
created the atmosphere and the culture within the Bills organization
and the NFL that that team is here and as
long as Josh is there, they always have a chance

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win the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Absolutely always. I will I think it's McDermott Here's why.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
I just I think that Terry Pegoula handed him the
keys the organization the way Ralph Wilson once handed Tom
Donaho the keys. Now I'm not saying that that he's
gonna he made him the club president, but I think
after Rex Ryan, he needed a stable force in that
clubhouse and he, let's be honest, we're all men here,
right and some ladies listening. He's the one who forced

(01:27:09):
out that poison in the previous administration. I'm not gonna
name names, but we know who we're we know who
we're all talking about. It was mcdermoty who finally put
his foot down said get the f out of here.
And I think from that point forward he was the
one who, Okay, I'm gonna go get my general manager.
I'm gonna give him directions. I'm gonna let him pick
the players. But here's kind of way I want it done.
I think that it's Sean McDermott's team. I think Sean

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McDermot was like after that play with with Stefan Diggs,
he saw what was going on in practice, like, I
cannot have a split clubhouse here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
I've got it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
It's gotta be Josh's team, and I can't have my
wide receiver FMMF and my quarterback in the biggest game
of the season when he was given it to him
the year before.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
You gotta held accountable too. That's why I think it'll
be a bit mcdermot's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
A very good point. I don't I don't know Shawn's I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
Said before year, a couple of years ago, I thought
Shawn's greatest strength is his loyalty, and his greatest weakness
was his loyalty. And when when Stefan and Josh had
the issues that year, and there was you know, they
didn't talk to each other, and he comes into camp
and he's all hot in this and that that that's

(01:28:14):
not Sean. And and with James Cook right now, I
think James is handling it a little different than Stefan
dig with that, and I think Sean is respecting it.
And I think Sean's evolved in terms of like a
leadership role of understanding that not not everything has to
be exactly where he wants it, but there is an
ultimate goal, so you have to manage that. So I

(01:28:34):
think he's tolerant of where James is coming from. But
in the end, Sean's gonna put the guys on the
field who are going to win the game and who's
going to bring a Super Bowl to the Buffalo Bills.
And you know, I hear all the time about how
this is Shawn's year. He either puts up or he's gone.
There's not a chance in hell he's gone unless there's
a colossal breakup in the locker room, like and they

(01:28:57):
all bail on him and he makes a horrible decision
you just can't return from. I don't see it happen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
I don't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
The only thing other than that was, you know how
Rex got his ticket out, and that was like deciding
to punt in an overtime game where a tie would
have cost him a playoff berth, and he decided to
play for the tie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
And he didn't know that. He didn't know the the
playoff break breakdown. He didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
It also they canned in the day after Christmas because
he didn't understand that a tie.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Sean McDermott, in my opinion, sorry damn Sean would know that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
But but here's the thing I'm going with this, Sean
didn't know that. The year after Rex, he did it
against the Colts. The only thing that bailed him out
in that snowball game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
No, it was the Colts game. They were playing for
a tie. They punted it overtime, and they're like, dude,
if you tie, you missed the playoffs. The Colts, though, punted.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Back to the Bills and they end up winning the game, miraculous,
and they went on and they eventually got to the playoffs.
But everybody said after that game, he's just like Rex
and this was his rookie season.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
As a head coach. Now they got to the playoffs,
they got through it. They were working to fire a
guy in his rookie seasons. No, we're way past that.
But if something happens like that where it's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Like, wait, Sean, you didn't know that, that might be
something where he can be like, I don't know, dude,
I think nowadays, well maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
He's built up enough equity, but I mean, like now,
but that would be a huge mistake after all these
years coming up short.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
So Dan, I think it's like that. And in your relationship,
right when you're early in a relationship and you make
a you make a stupid mistake, right just because you
don't have the experience in the relationship. If you make
that same decision five years later and it's the same
one and you screwed up on it, the tolerance for
that is is not there. I don't think Sean is

(01:30:39):
the type of person who would make the same that
same decision five years later than he did five years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
And and I don't think I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
I'm just saying like that'd be the only thing that
could get him camped, because I'm with you, I don't
think he's going anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
But you got to remember, whenever you think of that
with the Bills, just think of where the Savers are
and that's the other team Terry owns. And does you
think Terry wants to go to that circle with the Bills? Again?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Do people?

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Do people realize that Terry Pegoula eventually replaced Lindy Rouff
with Lindy Ruff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
But I kind of like Lindy, I love you. I
don't think he's a bad coach. I love it right,
And I don't even really know hockey.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
It was not about coaching as much as this about
the guys on the ice. Yes, who's buying the groceries?
We know who.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Let me? Uh, we'll close it out. I want to.
I'll change this up a little bit because Greg sent
me a really nice message when my dad passed and
it was, uh, we now have that in common to
and Danny has lost his dad. And I'll just ask
you this, what did it do for you when when
you lost your dad? And I asked that because I
feel like I need I am and I need to

(01:31:55):
continue to step up my game. And I don't know
what it is. It's like I've made some pretty significant
changes in certain relationships, have drum boundaries in certain areas,
and I don't know it's all been around that. Would
it have happened anyway? Maybe, but it certainly seems to
be one of these things where you're like, oh shit, yeah,

(01:32:17):
your your safety, your guardrail is gone, right. I don't
know if that's how you feel. It's just different. I
think with guys then, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
Yeah, there's For me and my dad passed away, I
was I was thirty, and I mean he was my
he was my guy, he was my best friend. And
it was one of those things where when it when
it went away.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
It was like where do I go? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
And I was a bit lost. Yeah, it took me
a bit to kind of figure it out right and
and what what kind of as a you know, you
talk about the alpha, right, you know, for me, it
was like I'm in control of my life right, and
I want to make my parents proud, So what do
I gotta do? And the question was am I gonna

(01:33:03):
step up and do it? Or am I gonna have excuses?
And am I gonna find reasons not to do it?
And I made a commitment that to myself and and
to honor my dad and the life that he lived
and his father. Is that my dad did everything for us.
My dad sacrificed his life to do what he thought

(01:33:24):
was in the best nurse of us kids. And you know,
up to that point in time, I lived my life
for me. It was about me because my dad allowed
me the comfort to do that. And then I all
of a sudden had to think about beyond myself and
and and you know, as an it's an inspiration, and

(01:33:46):
we talked about it earlier. I think we might have
been off the air. Is that, you know, there are
times and it's twenty five years later, I'll hear a
song that'll bring you back to that time and it
it just s grips me.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Yeah, I've had a few of those moments, not as many,
and certainly as you know my dad was I'm fifty
something years old, right, so I haven't lived under the
same roof as him. It was my brother who took
him to be closer to where my brother lived, so
I didn't have that, but there will be those, you know, holidays. Certainly,

(01:34:20):
the phone calls, we had some pretty great discussions over
the past couple of years on the phone. I would
always sort of enjoy that. I think one of the
sweetest things that I heard was my youngest son say
to me, I really feel guilty because you know, sometimes
you would get on the phone with him and he
just keep talking and talking and talking, and that was
sort of our joke. Even with my dad, he would

(01:34:42):
always go, oh wait, wait, wait, one more thing. Yeah,
like we're getting off the phone and go time. I'm
all talked out. I got nothing to say, oh wait, wait, wait,
one more thing. And we felt like when he was dying,
like it was wait, wait, wait, one more thing, because
it just hung on and hung on, and it's sort
of a joke. But I'll miss those sort of things,
and I'll miss a little bit because he and I

(01:35:03):
had certainly become much closer over the past couple of years,
some of the guidance stuff. I was really open with
him about a lot of stuff, you know, and that
and that you're right because there there's not a lot
of it's your dad. And when you get to a
point where you can talk as and and forgive me
if this sounds almost misogynistic, but as men man to man, right,

(01:35:26):
that's a big thing. And he's hearing you, but you're
looking to him as the advisor because he's still your dad.
And I'm telling him shit that I thought I would
never tell him, but I'm telling them.

Speaker 5 (01:35:38):
I mean, I don't know about you, Dan, but there
was a there was a time. You know, probably you
always you never want to disappoint your parents, never, but
there was a point in time where you realize you
could trust them and you could say whatever you wanted
and he wasn't going to judge you, or he wasn't
going to think anything less of you. And but that's
a special relationship that a child has with her parents.

(01:35:59):
And I'm sure, I'm sure you know girls have it
with their moms, maybe with their dads too, maybe with
their dads. I mean my mom, you know me, not
as much as I do with my dad. But I
told my dad things that I had I had never
shared and have to that to this date, never shared
with another person. And those are probably the things I

(01:36:20):
missed most where it wasn't judgmental, right, I think upset
to you before Bill, and maybe to you Dan, is
that for me, there's only one love that's truly unconditional,
in my opinion, and that's the love of a parent
to a child. Yeah, and once when you're a child
and you understand that, you then I think you have

(01:36:41):
a trust and a confidence that you can say and
share things that you would never share. And when it's gone, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Gone, it's gone. Right, It's just it's just an interesting thing,
and I really appreciate it. Actually, when you wrote that
we have that in common, and I'm like, yeah, we do,
and that's a different thing. And I don't think it's
ever really the discussed and that's kind of what I
I do. I pick at the the sore spot. Oh Greg,

(01:37:09):
it's good to see it. The Bill's Mafia hat. I
love it, love the shirt. I still think it's finearing,
but I have no idea. Danny. I love Danny's take
on Dion Dawkins being freaked out about it's drifting. I
thought the drifting was great.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
With the freaking bullet Oh god, boas dude, like that
was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
But most teams have contracts. You can't do stuff like that. Yeah,
we had two instances in one show.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
It's not venomous. It's a contricktor.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
It's only gonna choke you to death.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
That it's fine, Well, he's so big around him. Fine
for Greg Connors, for Dan Brilla on Bill Moran, We'll
see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Worse, he's a land up opportunity. For me, is just
a curse that judging make us be

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