Living Memorials, Naked Truths, and Facing Fear

In this emotionally resonant episode of Billified: The Bill Moran Podcast, Bill welcomes Dan back to the studio for a deeply personal and powerful conversation. Dan reflects on the profound experience of delivering a eulogy at his father-in-law’s memorial service, opening up about grief, love, and the idea of celebrating people while they’re still here. Bill and Dan explore the concept of living memorials — could reframing them as “roasts” or epic birthday celebrations help us show appreciation before it’s too late?

The tone shifts as the guys dive into three bizarre news stories involving nudity, including one about a high-powered exec who stripped naked mid-flight. This sparks a thought-provoking debate about alcohol, prescription meds, public redemption, and whether personal missteps can be separated from professional performance.

The conversation turns to love, sports, and success because Buffalo’s adopted son Josh Allen married actress Hailee Steinfeld. Is it possible that a loving relationship can elevate your game — even to MVP levels?

Then it’s football talk with a deeper twist: Bill examines OTAs and the media hype surrounding Shedeur Sanders, son of Deion. Can Shedeur carve out his own identity, or is he forever in his father’s shadow?

Finally, Bill and Dan explore a powerful topic that affects us all — fear. Not the adrenaline-junkie kind, but the fear that quietly controls our choices, keeps us stuck, and makes us avoid the things we truly want. What would your life look like if you weren’t afraid?

This episode is funny, heartfelt, honest, and inspiring — there’s truly something for everyone. Don’t miss it.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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mix in some vodka.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Color a podcast from the Mac of All Trade Studio
in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dods jeep Ram.
It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pun on. Thank
you for telling her friend. That's how we spread the word.
Have I got some lasagna? Homemade lazagna from the bumpaa
boop babita Booope.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well that's not Italian so but yeah, she's not.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
No, not at all. This is like English and Welsh
and JOm.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Or some stuff. Okay, yeah, that's the English.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
One, not an Italian menicon.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Well how does she do with the Yeah, there you go, excellent. Uh.
The reason there's lasagna, I I know, I gotta think
this past week deeply personal and profound for you. For Beth, Uh,
you stood a role that most of us never imagine
being in. I would think until we're in it, right,

(01:18):
you really almost can't imagine it till you're in there.
And for lack of a better term, and I hope
I'm not saying something incorrectly, but you were more or
less the MC for.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Your father's father and law service memorial service yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Is that fair to say that that way dandy or
is that wrong? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
It was and it wasn't because like the pastor that
they brought in who to eulogize him, we all really
eulogized him. But I was kind of the MC but
that he kind of took over at the halfway point,
you know, so I kind of like kicked it off
and led it. And uh, I got like emotional like
right off the hop and people like, oh really really.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh but I pulled it together. Yeah, But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Mean, or what's something let me get a little personal,
if you know, mind, since you say it, since you're
being so open, what is something that you said or
maybe didn't say that keeps echoing in your mind today?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, I want to make sure that God gets glorified
first for anything. And as I'm praying, you know, I
got caught up in, you know, my past and my
mistakes that I've made at the same time that I'm
forgiven for idiot. So no, it's just it's just I
was just praying, praying for gratitude, you know, and so
that's and then after that I got through that, I

(02:34):
started making a couple of jokes and we did all right,
So it kind of went through through there and I,
you know, I eulogize my father in laws, did my
wife and her brother and uh his grandson, and then
afterwards the pastor came up and did the same thing.
So it went well. But I got more emotional than
I did for my father. My father, we knew he was.
We had three years to get ready. I I mean,
I I played this whole thing. I got to keep

(02:56):
it cool for everybody else. Sometimes that day with my sister,
it was a little bit more more emotional because she's
a peer. Ye like you expect to bury your parents. Unfortunately,
it's just how life goes. If life goes the way
it's supposed to, you will bury your parents. Your parents
won't bury you, and you won't bury a sibling. But
things happen, you know. And but this it was it
was weird because it got more personal with me for

(03:17):
some reason, you know. And it was a packed church.
And it's when I get my buddy Joe called, like
right before, hey, I'm about to go do a wake
or I'm sorry, I'm about to do a memorial service.
I thought that was weeks ago. I go, well, it was.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
All right, all right, give Beth my love again.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I go, yeah, sure, was there a moment where you
kind of realize something about your father in law or
yourself that hadn't clicked before. Sometimes in these moments, things clicked.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
He was one of those people who just gave of
himself all the time, to the point where he didn't
even take care of himself. And we didn't mention this part.
It was kind of there, like the part of the
he ended up having a stroke, like fifteen years ago.
Part of the reason he had the stroke was because
he never took care of himself because he was too
busy taking care of everybody else, Like he took so
much joy and helping everybody else do everything else. And
so I think that when he had his stroke, like

(04:06):
his life was really taken away from him. I mean
there was. He was part of a stroke victims support
group and a lot of those people were there and
they were like fully recovered, and he never got to
experience that full recovery. I mean, there was a story
about him, like about a few weeks after his stroke,
he tried getting back on his motorcycle and going for
a ride. Right, and his uncle found him, you know,

(04:27):
on the side of the road kind of like lost,
I guess, and brought him home and like they'd check
him out, and he was dehydrated to kind of you
know that point. I think he realized that I can't.
I can't do this stuff anymore. And that's the hard part.
And that's why I, like you ever really kids me
about the supplements and stuff. I tried to take as
good as care of myself as possible because I don't
want to end up in that situation, nor does anybody.
But we don't know what causes half these things. It

(04:48):
could just come out of the blue for no reason.
Like a couple of years ago, I started having complex migraines.
I went to the hospital thinking I was having a stroke.
Half my body went numb. No, no, it's a called a
migraine with aura or what it is. Like, Oh, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm not like stroking out here like no.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't mean the laugh, but I get it. And
I've been so stressed myself. I'm sitting here now, I
can feel it like in my shoulders and things, and
I know it's not good for me. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's not good. And it worries me a little bit,
but you know.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, okay, so this morning, you know, we're a fitbit.
We've talked about it and discovered a fib a couple
of years ago, and fitbit could play games on you, right, Like,
I've been doing my like exercises, like hardcourt, like high
intensity interval training exercises five six days a week, and
I don't know if the fit bit adjust for that
and says, okay, you've been under training and need to

(05:38):
train more, which is ridiculous because I'm I'm burning it
out right, But the last few days. Today was the
first day it said, hey, you mayn't need to take
it easy for a while. And I have an exercise
in three days. And I think the stress of the
memorial service and the fact that, you know, my grandmother's situation.
I think it all just came, you know, came to
into effect last last night. And yes, and I think

(06:01):
the watch is telling me, all right, today I wants
you to take a day off.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm like, well, I have an exercise in two days.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
So maybe I really was really like stressed yesterday if
my body needed to recover, because I didn't. Apparently I
didn't sleep well. I mean I didn't wake up or nothing,
but I didn't sleep incredibly well either.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Wow. Do we do it wrong with these things? Should
we be doing living tributes? You know how like at
the Oscars they give a Lifetime Achievement award, get like that.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Throw the flowers to the living. Yes, we do it wrong. Yeah,
I'm at my funeral done before I die. Yeah, like
you ever seen like Welcome to America too or Coming to
America too? Should they are going to die? And so
he's in the casket watching his funeral and then James
earld Joes Okay, then he dies? Yeah, we do it wrong?
You're right?

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I just you know, like I think it would
be awkward and uncomfortable, and if it's someone who's dying,
you know, But I guess I guess you could call
it like somebody's birthday party in their later years, Yes,
eighty something birthday party and celebrate because I guess it

(07:09):
would be like we say things after they're gone, things
we probably should say now. And I don't know what
would be something small and meaningful that would kind of
prove that or or what would that be that that
you could express love now, like to somebody.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I think, you know, maybe at a fiftieth birthday party,
or maybe at a seventy fifth birthday party, or maybe
at an anniversary, or maybe at one of those milestone moments,
so that it doesn't come off as this is a
funeral for a living person. But we we take those moments.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's the thing is, Like, I think it would be
creepy to do a living memorial to somebody.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You want to honor Bill before he goes the thing,
but when he will no longer be laughing with the phone,
you could be You could do that at like at
a roast, yes, right, and yeah, say almost that at
a roast. Well, we know people who threw themselves roast
because they wanted to feel appreciated. Remember, yeah, a comic

(08:10):
kind of looks like Peter Griffin in town. Uh okay,
that's a joke about Dominos. Guys. Uh used to come
on our show once in a while. Yeah yeah, yeah,
and he threw himself a roast.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Oh yeah you did. We made funny, Yeah we did.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah yeah, oh okay, Because.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Why did he throw himself a roast? Because he wanted
to feel roasted? He wanted to feel appreciated. He wanted
to feel loved. Yeah, so he threw himself.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, see the roast, that's just did. Like I always
think that we pick on the ones we love, and
I go, there's a great living memorial, a roast of someone,
or like a big birthday party where you're celebrating the person,
and we often save the best things to say after.
My grandfather used to say, yah, at once he dies,
everybody's a saint. He was a pain here what he

(08:54):
was a saint?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
A holes don't die, right, that's the expression.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
And so you think that they're gone. On. What's something
you could say now to someone that you love? What
should you be saying now? And I don't I don't
know what it is because sometimes it comes off too sappy,
or it comes off too weird, or or if.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
You say it, am I dying? You guys know something?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So so here's here's an interesting story.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I have neighbors who I believe they're they're Indian okay, okay,
from India, yes, And they have an elderly person in
the home who I believe is in their final stages
of life. We all got a letter in the mail saying,
please pardon all of our parking in front of our
house because we I said, you could put up a

(09:39):
hotel my boost our economy locally. I don't care what
you do. But yeah, no problem to here. I get it.
I mean, we've just watched people in our lives die recently,
and but it's been a month and people are still
covered to the house and this person's hanging on but
they don't want her to know she's dying. But I'm like,
you mean to tell us she doesn't already know.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
It's a parade of people right the.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
World wearing masks in the house. Why you know, and
so because they're coming to say their last respects. Yeah,
it's like it's like does she know? Of course she
probably knows, right, you know, like does she Hey, why
is every coming to see me? I think she probably knows,

(10:20):
And so, you know, I think that, like I mean,
the Italian culture gesh. My father like almost died three
different times. People from rushed to the hospital say your
goodbyes now, right, no false start, We gotta come back
and do this in two more weeks.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think I think the best way to do that
is from this point forward. June first, twenty twenty five.
If you're listening to this podcast, yes, yes, or whatever?
We air this from now on. Any time you throw
someone a a surprise party, a birthday party, an anniversary party,
a roast, whatever, tell them how you feel about them
in that moment, so they know that you know, when

(10:56):
they go, they know how you felt about them.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, so we.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Don't have to wait until the about to die.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
What.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I don't think it's for the person that's dying. You
think it's for the person who's who's not dying. I
think it's more for the person to say it and
express that. I think they actually get maybe more out
of it to say it's nice to hear. But so
many people can't receive a compliment or can't really receive
kind words like that, that it would be awkward.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
A lot of them are very very humble. Yeah, my
father in law was humble. He wouldn't take a compliment.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Not Yeah, but you don't know what to say. And really,
when you think about it, how good does it feel
for you to tell somebody you know how much you
love them, or to talk about them sometimes in certain ways.
If you were to have I don't know, a living
memorial a roast or whatever. I mean, I guess you

(11:50):
want but you also you want laughter, but you want
reflection and a little respect too. No, I would think
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't know. I don't want anybody our little reflection, Yeah,
a little respect, you know. You know, I want God
to be glorified first. I want people to hear the gospel,
and then you can make fun of me all you
want after that, you know, honestly, Like, like one of
my favorite scenes in every movie, and I know it's
it's a movie that everybody talks about. It's Happy Killmore

(12:19):
where Chubbs looks happy because don't feel bad about me.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Happy I got my hand back.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And at the very end, you see the alligator who
just died recently in real life, the alligator Chubbs at
Abraham Lincoln waving back to happy like everything's okay. You know,
thing's okay, you know, And that's what I want people
to know. Hey, look, everything's okay. Everything's okay, everything's okay.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
You know, we will take a moment. I'm sure that
was heavy though yesterday.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I mean, do you think like I hope that
when I go, like I remember when my uncle Joe
died a few years ago and his funeral was very small,
and I told my wife, I said, you know, I
I that's it. That he was a great man. That's
the tribute, that's the send off. I make sure when I,
when I like and I and I actually am seed

(13:07):
that one too. I want to make sure that everybody
knows how important this person was. That is their final
going away, that is their graduation. You know, like let's
talk about their accomplishments. Unless they were a jackass, but
if they were a great person or had an influence
on your life, everybody should acknowledge that and be part
of that. They shouldn't just send them off at just

(13:29):
like a cookie cutter funeral. I think that everyone should
get if they're if it's if they're worth it, they've
lived a life worth a send off like that.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think they should all be paid tribute to.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
And I hope that I live my life, you know,
like backwards in other words, like what do you want
people to say at your funeral? And live it that way?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah? Okay, that's it. That's good advice. That's good advice.
I almost think that I hope it's small, and I
hope I live I live. Everybody, no one, it's a
lie and and anybody else is too big needs to
know me because it's just your funerals.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Just Batman, Robin and Alfred.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
You know, like, all right, we will uh, we'll take
a moment. A lot of nakedness lately in the news,
a lot of people stripping down naked and not a lot.
It seems like there's more more off more than usual.
You know. Uh, we'll get into it right after this.
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Why did I always think a G thing was like
a G string?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah? I thought in my mind, I don't even know
if I know what the thing is as a kid,
a gangster thing.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I figures against the gangster thing from But I always
heard g String have to find the contraceptive.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
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Speaker 2 (16:28):
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n w A. I realized that they were in there,
but at the time that the Snoop Dog and Doctor
Dre and Ice Cube made it big, and they were
coming out of n w A, which had just broken up,
and I didn't realize the impact that n w A had.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, I thought these guys just always were around.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
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like this, then like that, it's like this, like that
and like this.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
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Speaker 1 (16:58):
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Speaker 2 (17:00):
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Speaker 1 (17:02):
Let's find a seat, high five.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Come on, we got box a lot gap in one.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's all aboard the bus. Let's hit the class. He's
gone so light.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
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Speaker 1 (17:20):
That's what he did, and he did it. He did
it good for him. I don't actually I'm going to
bring that up again later because there's something that I
don't know. You and I you and I can discuss
I think in a way I might not be able
to discuss it with other people. Oh okay, yeah, nothing bad. Yeah,
but to the lighter things. You had a heavy day yesterday,

(17:43):
you did, but.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
You know what, and you did it well that my
father in law is with the Lord Jesus in heaven.
Everything's good.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Good. I'm very glad for you to hear that. What's
the worst thing you did while drunk? Do you ever
do anything like really bad while drunk? Did you really? Wait?
You did?

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Just in general?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean just I just because I'm kind of dumb
and yeah, I get too close to people's persons, hugging
people saying generality, general, laity, you're a beautiful lady.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh, yes, here, I gotta start going Joe Namath on everybody.
It's been years, it's been I mean it's been a
long time. But yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
The problem now, I think with some people is as
they get older.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
The worst is when you're drunking on medication. I was
just going on, Okay, how did you know?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, because like, no, you're working so hard to not
be on medication.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, I remember, like it was back when we were
in radio. That's how long ago it was. I was
on and my psychiatrist said, you cannot take that. You
cannot drink alcohol on this, No problem. I don't really
drink much anyway. It was a drug called Symbalta, and
uh at a Christmas party, I would, you know, start
drinking on the Smbalta, and all of a sudden, h
you know, like not that I acted up, but I

(18:54):
was starting to like say things and do things that
I normally wouldn't do, like are you all right?

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I don't remember any of this?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And then we deduced we went backwards with dan, are
you taking this medication, Simbalta. It's it's recommended for people
with fibromyalgia. Yeah, but what's one of the usage is
anxiety is an off label usage. Okay, so that's my
depression anxiety. And then they had to give me another
one called Ambilify, right, so now you got ambilified, yeah exactly,

(19:26):
so now yeah, yeah, it was it was predictive programming, Bill.
So now so now about these two medications.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
And drinking alcoholic?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Dude, you don't remember this last night? No? Yeah, I
don't remember at all.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, there's a guy named James Rondeau. James rondo is
the director of the Art Institute of Chicago. Okay, okay,
it makes about a million dollars a year as the
art director. He was detained in Germany last month for
being nude. Well, he drunkenly stripped naked during a United

(19:59):
Airlines fly from Chicago to munich.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Okay, Well, that'll do it.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Uh, He allegedly caught. This was caused by a mix
of alcohol and prescription meds. That's what they're saying. He
voluntarily took a leave of absence while the museum launched
an independent investigation. What are you going to find? Like? Honestly,
despite the embarrassment, the investigation concluded with a green light

(20:23):
for Rondo to return his director. He'll resume his post, uh,
continuing a twenty seven year career at the museum, where
he earns over a million bucks annually.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Can you imagine the statement they've read, well, we have
conducted a turtle turtle. They get they get the paper, right,
they get this that the pr lady gets the sheet
and they're reading off the sheet, which is always like
a dead giveaway that they that you know, a lawyer
crafted this dead giveaway. Yeah, dead giveaway. Uh we have
This company has conducted an internal investigation and we have
found that while some disciplinary measures have been taken, wholesale

(20:56):
changes do not need to be made. And our friend,
the director of the museum, I will return to work
as scheduled. Danny upon completing his therapy.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
He was just simply creating new art. Flight of the nude, right,
reclining man with cocktail.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Being fitted for wings.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yes, being fitted for wings, a turbulent soul. Right, all
these things that could have been it, that have been perfect.
But it's like, where do you draw the line between
personal mistakes and professional consequences? And I understand that you
don't like So the world of social media, many companies

(21:40):
now say don't post that, or what you post could
get you fired. It could.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
It depends on whom or what is in power?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh what do you mean by in other words, what is.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
The sentiment of the offended?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
In other words, if enough people are offended and your
boss is weak, you'll probably get fired. Or if your
boss is so powerful, screwed. I don't care what people think.
If he's strong enough to do that, then you know
you might have to have some internal consequences, but nothing
really major. Okay, it all depends like okay, when I'll
use both sides. Presidents Clinton and Trump have both had

(22:17):
their issues with women, public issues, but their sides have
always said, so what, he does a hell of a job.
I don't care who he screws, right, but if we
don't like the guy, or if the economy's going in
the crap, or like imagine if George W. Bush had
had an affair, Oh god, dude, ye right right, because

(22:37):
the media is lean's left.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well, look, even prior to that, I mean, you had
a guy who I think would have been President of
the United States. I think Gary Ryart he probably would
have become President of the United Stately believe that, and
it may have been a solid president. I have no idea,
We'll never know, but an affair brought that down. Then
there was another guy who had an affair, and I
think people to look the other way, except his wife

(23:04):
was undergoing treatment for breast cancer while he had these
John Edwards, John Edwards and man because ladies loved John Edwards. Ladies,
he was a good looking dude.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
He was the VP candidate under Jack carry this guy,
this guy because where they're rumoring Dick, they're rumoring Dick
f Hart, Dick Dick Geffhart to be the VP.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Were like, yeah, that's kind of a tired choice.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
And then they bring in this young, good looking mid
forties dude with a tan, Southern charm. This is the
next Bill Clinton. Yeah he was a lawyer, he was smooth,
and his wife has cancer.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
All family so relatable. True.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
And then he's all of a sudden he's playing games
a real hunter.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, now we know who real hunter is.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Real.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
And then she goes and tell her story People Magazine. Yeah,
and she's like, all, I don't want to use this
term like derogatorily.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, well you already are.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
He's kind of stuted out. Okay, all right, I didn't
know they were gonna do that. Oh when you put
the dresses on, stared like doing these like weird poses.
You didn't fake. The People Magazine was gonna like try
to quote slut you up a little bit. But this article,
I'm a victim.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well see, okay, people. Moral choices that people make, and
there are and sometimes you have to you wind up.
Sometimes you wind up in a situation something went too
far and maybe it's alcohol induced or even with prescription
meds and alcohol. But you get to a point where
it's like, oh, this could really damage. It's not what

(24:33):
I want, right, right, I really like, I'm sure I
would love to be with that person, but no one,
I'm not available, They're not available. It's not what I want.
And you gotta kind of step back. And it is.
But I sometimes wonder, like, well, I wonder think yeah,
and I wonder sometimes too how much are should the
bedroom play into people's perception? Now there are people that'll

(24:56):
tell you that it gives you a.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Depends on which side of the legit, Oh yeah, but
I mean it.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Gives you kind of a look into the moral consciousness
of that person, right, you know what, what are they
willing to put up with? Not put it by? Or
who are they secretive? Dirty, shady kind of thing. It's
very hard when you've got a lot of power and
people are sort of throwing themselves at you. You got
to be a very disciplined individual.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Oh yeah, that's why the Bible so is you got
to kill your flesh.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
You have to kill it, kill it so because because like,
let's put it this way, I mean, I'll make everything
biblical but King David, King Solomon, and Samson, who was
a judge most one of the strongest men, all were
brought down because of one thing.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Sorry I had to put it bluntly, but yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You're making the point though. No, that then become the
men at best.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Well, yeah, it's a weird hey, ladies, Yeah, it's a
weird thing.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Girls are batting your eyes at you all of a sudden.
I mean, I know, sorry to believe, Billy, but I
was a little bit of a geek in high school
or an elementary school. In high school, I kind of
came into mass yeah, you know. And time I got
to college, all of a sudden, I wasn't that geek anymore.
I was a good looking guy. Then I joined a band.
All of a sudden, I'm gonna get touch that I
never got before. All of a sudden, I become a
sheriff of Nottingham.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Uh huh yeah, no bad right, not good? Yeah, I
don't know, I you know, back to the uh. I'll
say this, I do wonder for a lot of these
people how much we talk a lot about mental health,
and we could kind of take this two ways too.

(26:31):
With the guy at the art museum, right and blown
off steam where you've had too much and you think
you're funny. I don't know what this guy was thinking.
I don't know that he did anything. I don't know
if he got a story or he just felt too hot.
Yeah right, and he just thought he was home. I
have no idea. Well, well, it doesn't really give you that.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
There's this dream analyst, the sleep analyst. I've got his name,
and he's well renowned. He is a master class on sleep,
and he says and Andrew Huberman also says, this doctor Huberman.
When you drink alcohol, when you get three or four
five classes in or servings of alcohol in, you start daydreaming.
And I don't mean like daydreaming like you're bored. I
mean like you're sleeping, but you're awake. And that's what happens.

(27:10):
All your actions now are dream like actions. And you
know your dreams could go a lot of different directions.
Oh yeah, but you're actually acting them out because you're awake.
That's what alcohol and now say. Oh yeah, I have
not Oh yeah, I got I gotta look it up.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I gotta look it up. We do have to look that.
It's probably true. I'm not denying that, but you do
wonder like the pressure rite a million dollar job at
an art institute. There's probably a lot of pressure.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh yeah, because can you get my kid in? I
did this favor?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well no, but okay, but it's just that's just one example. Yes,
well this is a museum, not not Oh it's a museum.
But either way, I'm just saying, like the pressure, the pressure.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
We had relations last Tuesday, Are you gonna put my
rooster picture in there yet?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
The uh? And the pressures of being a politician, and
all of a sudden you're just blown off steam. You've
been working a lot, you have a couple of cocktails.
This woman keeps making a pass to you. Who's going
to find out you get?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
You know what I'm saying you, The five more pressurized
jobs in the world are the five piece I call them.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
The five five piece pressurized jobs.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
You're gonna hear this first, ladies and gentleman.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
You can politician, pee, policeman, yes, two? Uh, pilot, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think consider that we could throw him in there. Okay,
but they like to drink after a flight. Okay, put
him in there, pilots.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I'm just saying pilots because souls. Yes, right, if you
mess up pilots, I'm assuming these all begin with people
with billy yeah laughs.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Priest or pastor, Oh, priest or pastor.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Why because you're in charge of a flock of people.
People look to you as the is the example.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
All right, what's the last one? Uh?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
You can all say physician? Oh sure, okay, a NFL passer. Oh,
think about quarterbacks?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah you are.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I mean, like there is there is no job in
sports more pressure quarterbacks. So think about a police you know, uh,
priest or pastor, h president or politician, physician, pilots, pastors?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, what about living in three and five pressure?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I think there's pressure all right? For the times away accounted,
I gotta hit deadlines, bro.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Just in terms of nakedness being a more popular thing,
I did see a story in the Times Wayne County
about a thirty seven year old guy from Owasco who
stripped naked. His name is Timothy Church. He was taking
him to church on a Sunday morning, running around. Uh,
and then I guess he kept exposing himself to three
kids under sixteen. So he's in trouble for that. Yeah,

(29:39):
he'd redefined an open house in his neighborhood. And then
there was some somebody got arrested. I think a flight
attendant on a British Airways flight going back to Britain
stripped naked and was dancing in the bathroom. I don't
know what's going on with all this nakedness, but that
that's I you really wonder, like we talked so much
about mental health and I don't know if we pay

(30:03):
attention enough. And I don't even say it for myself.
Laura came in here and we did a show and
I didn't even get it out in time the next
day because I drank your wine member birthday, her birthday,
And I told see.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
If I had money on somebody in the room to
drink the whole bottle, it would have been somebody else
in the show.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yes, no, but it was her. And then I had
already brought in a bottle wine and I hadn't eaten
at all that day.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
And then I had a couple of beers from the fridge,
and you know, then I had to call an uber
and Uber back. It's just been but it's like blown
off steam and it's one of those things that goes on,
and I go, boy, you gotta find better ways to
to have outlets, better healthier outlets.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
So I tell my wife, if I'm ever stressed out,
you'll never see a drink in my hand because you
do not want to make that a crutch. I haven't.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
No, you don't. I agree with you on that. I've
even said those words to somebody just because you're stressed out.
Don't do that because now it becomes if that becomes
psychologically dependent, becomes psychologically.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
And an association.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
But I do it with food. I do it with
like sugar, m and ms and things like that.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, and I still so I've got I'm trying to
find all these things you would think that you know,
by the time you get to my age, it's like
a right life's on an easy street. You know.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know we should try to do I've never done this,
but I'm thinking it might work. When you stretched out,
start doing push ups. Yeah, you know why, because you're
you're getting out your aggression and you're tired afterward, and
when you're tired, you're relaxed.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, that's a good idea. I would think that exercise
is a great one. Going for a run, taking a walk,
doing all these things, not reaching for a reach a microphone. Answer.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Your answer is never in a bottle, and it's not
a bible, not a bottle.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh, look at Danny, we'll take them off speak speak.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But here's here's my question about this guy in the
nude though. Why is it always a bad thing when
people like let out steam? It's always it always seems
to be nobody ever like donate it's money when they're
when they're like stressed out.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Oh, sometimes nobody we don't hear about me, you know, Well,
you get the drunk who buys around in the bar
for people.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
After he's drunk.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Though, Yeah, they usually know you're right. And I don't
know the guy stripped naked on a flight doesn't say
he did anything inappropriate, like he might have just stripped
down and gone to sleep, and they go, oh, he's
asleep on the nude. It's the new artwork. I don't
know's you're right. We always hear the bad things when people.
But that's what blown off steam sometimes becomes. You know,

(32:34):
somebody's out going. Yeah, I'm going up to the cabin
this week and we're gonna blow off steam. And somebody
comes back with like shotgun pellets or embedded in their
as yea or nine fingers, or they're on the news, yes,
or they're on the news.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Fourth of July, Ladies and gentlemen, we will have a
reel of all the incidents that happened that weekend. Uh
you brought Austin and man passed away today after taking
a firework well pipe.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, those are my favorite when I get go on
YouTube and they can watch the guys letting off bottle
rockets and from their asshole like they're bent over or
they're laying in the ground and it doesn't go anywhere
and he's screaming in pain and his friends all laughing,
and yeah, you'll see like one or two shoot out
of his ass and.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Like Jason Pierre Paul the Giant's ruined his career.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yes, yes, we'll take them. Moment you brought up one
of the pressure jobs. Quarterback, the beloved quarterback of the
Buffalo Bills, the MVP. Josh Lee is now a married man.
Yes he is.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I already got married.

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I would say Buffalo right fairness saying can we call
them that?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
So I thought, yes, an MVP, he is our adopted son.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yes, yes, By the way, Tim Graham brought up a
great point in The Athletic I think he put it
on Twitter. Tim Graham's the athletic writer. We've had him.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
I think we tried to have him on the show.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
We've had him on. Okay. So Tim Graham is probably
the best investigative sports reporter in Western New York media,
maybe in America.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
He's really really talented, very good. He pulls no punches.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
This guy's picked fights, not intentionally picked fights, but he's
drawing fights. I guess with everybody, and he's been right
every single time. And he put up a point, and
it made me think of what you had to say
last week about that's my wedding week, honey, but I
gotta go to work, yes, you said, like, yeah, it's
the most stressful time. I know what I got work
to do, honey. You take care of the wedding.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
You do what you want to do with your friend's babe.
I'll pay the whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You want to go to the spot, take everybody contract. Baby,
that's it, girl, I gotta go to work if you
want this money to keep rolling in it. I got
to be an NFL quarterback. So he wrote how three
years ago he blew off the first TAS and nobody cared.
He went to go play golf with Aaron Rodgers and
Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
He had a rookie offensive coordinator that year, yep. And
I'm like, oh my gosh, I didn't even think of that.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
He's you know, and so he's more matured now.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But I immediately went to your line of thinking, oh,
it's my wedding week, I gotta avoid my wife at
all costs.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
That could that could be? I mean, yeah, it's not
even avoid your wife, right. It sounds horrible growing up.
I think it's to me. And that's so funny that
you say that he went and played golf. He was
but that was the match or something, right, yeah, something
like that. It was the match was on TV. It
was a big deals it Actually, I think in terms

(37:42):
of PR, I think every coach would go, oh you
you got to go toeah that right? It helps the lead.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Josh All doesn't have to worry about practice.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
We're talking about practice.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, but I don't know. Look, he's fresh off signing
a three hundred and thirty million dollar contract plus tip.
He's an Oscar nominee at one point and she's a
singer too, right, and a singer. Yeah, and he does
credit Haley for not only supporting him off the field,
but playing a key role in his MVP season.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, I have to evaporated milk.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I saw the article. I saw the pictures. It looks
like everything's so intrusive. They was in California. I think
it was very private and you didn't see any pictures
from the ground. It was all like aerial shots.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh sure you know what Ron Star Wars movie in
the sky.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
But I love reading the comments to the articles. And
I'll just share two comments, maybe three with you. A
comment from Margie mcc that's her name on the commenting thing, Margie.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
How old do you think she is? Margie?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Her name is Margie. My mother's name is Margie. This
friend of mine's mom. So I'm gonna say seventy something.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Ok I'm gonna say fifty five is the floor?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Okay, Okay. So I have no idea, but I don't
know how to find that out.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
But here's what say, let's judge.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
So good to see normal heterosexual people get mad and
we're right. I hope they have many I hope they
have many children. So good to see normal, how those
actual people get married. I go, boy, this is gonna
be a bad month for margin NCC, right, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know? Oh yeah, right, isn't funny? How pride about
this longer than Black History Month?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
No? But still I just and then somebody else says
she'll bang a co star in the future. Okay, yeah,
and so there you go. Those are the com you watch.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
You watch, you will she'll leave him.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
But you know, let me ask you.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm not saying that I'm making fun of somebody who
would say.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
That you're married. Can relationships really boost your career success?
And I think, yeah, yeah, of course. I think when
you feel very settled in parts of your life, yea,
and things are going well or whatever, or that end
is there and you've got that person, you know, you
can rely on it, you can kind of focus.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, you have somebody to balance you longer. Yeah, when
they're with somebody, then without somebody, you know, like we
start knowing, like, no, I know that, like you you
were married, you know, maybe someday again you may be
who knows. But I mean, like I think we know
some people who as they get older and more single,
they start to get a little weird. Yeah, you know,
you start to get a little out there. They don't

(40:16):
have somebody there to check them, right, right, right, Like
what I between marriages for me a relationship, I was
kind of out there too, yeah, you know, but I
have my wife now who keeps me balanced, you know, like, okay, no, honey, no, no.
It's like when we're walking through the streets of Austin,
I was like a I was like the untrained dog.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
No, no, don't cross now, No, no, traffic's coming, traffic. No, okay,
now cross see now we cross.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
But it is interesting, right you do you feel like
you're a little more settled. And if it's somebody who
does support your career, you can talk about your career,
you can bounce things off of. I mean, the saying
of behind every great man, there's a great woman, uh,
seems sort of diminishing to women who could probably do
the man's job. But when you look even back through history,
there were strong women in some of our historical leaders.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Oh yeah, Andrew Wilson's wife basically was president.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah when he was here. And I'm not saying he
was a good president of bad president, but I don't know.
He was running the Free world while World War One
was going on. I think it was kind of a part,
right it was, Yeah, it was so Josh, that's just
one example.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
OTA is still going on right now.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
They are Yeah, they think there's like several weeks of them. Yeah,
so and then they wrap up. I think then there's
then there's mandatory mini camp, and then they go away
for like a few weeks or about a month, and
then they come back to training camp and then it
is all business.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, so I see reports on OTAs and I don't
think you can take seven on seven with no sacking
the quarterback or anything. It's kind of I mean, it's
like glorified flag football. Yes it is, that's exactly what
right I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
But these guys compete though. No, they're going hard, but yeah,
you're right. They don't want you getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
No, of course not. And and as I'm thinking about that,
I go, I'm reading about Shador Sanders and he had
a grete seven on seven. I may be the only
one person in America right now that actually has feel
bad for Shador Sanders. I feel like Shador Sanders because
of his dad and because and and and maybe himself

(42:18):
as well. But having that opulent expression of life, right,
and it's opulent, and the millions of dollars in nil
deals and things, and you know, I I the n
ideal nil deals name him. Its likeness or seemed to
be so much out of control that I think Cooper Flag,
who's going to come out and possibly be the number

(42:40):
one overall.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Will be the number one overall pick to the Mavericks, is.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Probably going to sign a deal that will make him
significantly less than he made last year with nil deals.
Now not to say that you know he won't continue
on to make more, but I.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Mean got a rookie cap. So does all sports people do.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
So it's funny. But I'm watching the shad Or Sanders
thing and I go, boy, how hard is this. It's
almost like you were climbing up the side of a
cliff and you got close and somebody kicked some rocks
in your face and you just slid down, holding onto
your rope and now you've got to climb back. He

(43:18):
may be the fourth string guy. The mentality it takes
to go from fourth string to the starting job is
you know, unbelievable. And while he looks good, he's not
going against the first I don't think he's gotten any
snaps with the first team for Cleveland. Okay, yeah, it starters.
I don't think he's gotten any so I.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Don't believe he would. I mean, I think he the
pick was forced by the owner because if you remember
when he was drafted or he was kind of like
they show all the draft rooms and these guys got
their cues.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's a television show, all.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Right, show excitement three two, and they're all like, well,
I mean because like the general manager of the head
coach did not want to make this pick. They already
took a quarterback two rounds early, who was one I think,
the second most prolific quarterback in college football history. And now, folks,
for those like Tim Tebow is considered the greatest college
football player ever. College is different, like, don't go you

(44:08):
can't go by stats, you can't go by any of
that stuff. It's about winning national championships and stats don't mean.
It doesn't mean you're going to translate to the NFL, right,
I think that I will say this, Shador has probably
the easiest pathway to his starting job in the NFL
because Joe Flacco, the starter, has been around since I
six he's but he's ancient at this point, and they're
gonna want to he eventually is going to have to

(44:28):
turn it over.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Kenny Pickett who is pretty much flamed out at Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
And I remember the big thing on Kenny Pickett was
his hands or too hands.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Were too small. But I don't think that he just
he's just not an NFL quarterback. And then you've got
Dylan Gabriel who was drafted. Yeah, I think there's another
quarterback in the mix too, but there's like five quarterbacks
on the roster.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Oh well, the other one would be uh, Deshaun Watson,
who they expects we forgot about this Sean watch. Shawn
Watson is done. He's done, but he just I think
is just got engaged. And she has a two million
dollar rock in her hand. No good, how do you walk?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
We got two hundred and thirty two million dollars guaranteed,
fucking you know for all those handy dandies. He's got
to pay out a lot of people. But I think,
like Sodorth Sanders came out and said, I think ninety
nine percent of the problem was my dad. In some ways,
he's right, but it also doesn't help when you walk
into I mean, the giants really like this kid and
he took completely like pissed them off in the meetings.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Can you can he escape the shadow of prime?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, he can escape it.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Play well yeah, yeah that's it right, Yeah, you play well.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I don't matter who your father is. Talent outweighs everything. Yeah,
toe talent over everything. Yeah, once the talent is gone,
Like look at cam Newton, he was great when he
was talented. They starts getting hurt now. I said, we
don't want to put up with you putting rags over
your head and dressing like a grandmother.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah. Well, see, the thing is, you could go and
carve out your own legacy. And we think of father sons,
And the first one that pops into my mind of
a son who carved out a better legacy than his
dad is baseball with the Griffies and Ken griff and
cal Ripan Jr. But both of them, yeah, they carved
out better than their than their old man. And I'm

(46:08):
not sure that I've seen it necessarily. In the NFL,
Peyton and Peyton and.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Archie was drafted by the Saints when at a time
where like they didn't have something else. Draft they were awful,
but I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean they did, they did.
There have been a few players who've been able to
do that. Barry Bonds and Rhythm, his father Bobby, you know,
I mean that that does happen often. And then there's
also like the times where like more often than not,
you don't hear about this. There's the dads who did
better than the kids. Yogi Berra was a Hall of Famer.

(46:35):
His son Alan really didn't do much.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Or even Michael Jordan's kids trying to play, and I
couldn't even get to like, yeah, you know, and we'll
see with Lebron's kids, right, what happens there.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
We'll find out. Yeah, there's more of them.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
It's not just broddy, but I mean it. I think
that as long as shdure, like, look, man, we do
a lot of stupid things in college.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yes, okay, I hope he could grow up.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
And I don't think he did anything out really, he
was never in trouble.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
It's just he had a bit of an attitude and
he didn't treat people real well.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
And is it possible that you're misread You've always had
this dominating figure in your life. In just in the
mere presence of Prime, and we've all seen him. They did, like,
I think Prime did a thing on Prime. The Amazon
Network did something on coach Prime. And you see him

(47:28):
rallying the troops. What he says, You got to think
that that guy's probably that guy all the time he
wakes up, he's ready fired. Yeah, but you know what
I'm saying. But he's firing off and he's got and
that's a lot of pressure for any kid. So you
start to buy into it, You start to buy into
the opulence of it, and the next thing you know,
you don't know any other way, and the rest of

(47:50):
the world just wants to kind of squash you like
a bug.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Should always only had one coach his entire life. Yeah, Prime, Yeah,
Junior high, senior high College. Now he's got to answer
to Kevin Stefanski. And Kevin Stefanski has been a Coach
of the Year two different occasions.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
It's very hard for a.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Guy who's won one, maybe two playoff games his entire
career to be a Coach of the Year candidate.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
And why is that?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Because you know, his team has been so bad that
he's been able to get them to be competitive and
we're talking about Cleveland here. They've been ever even longer
than the Bills were, and yet he was He got
them to be a playoff team a couple of times
with spare parts. And so now all of a sudden,

(48:35):
it's gonna if he could get Prime to play foot
or a young Prime Chador to play football and get
to the playoffs. This dude, man, he could write his
own ticket. He can write his own ticket, and Chador
is gonna be hot property.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
And I'm I'm I'm roving for me too. I'm reading
about like the seven on sevens and I go, seven
on seven is mirage moments to me in terms of
football because of everything we said. When I'm reading it,
I'm like, yeah, he was seven and nine, the three
or four touchdowns, whatever, And I go, this is like
winning karaoke in a well in a hospice.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Ward Once upon right, once a hey, Once upon a time.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
The Buffalo Bills had a quarterback named Nathan Peterman, and
Nathan Peterman's claim to fame coming out of college was
that he beat Clemson after they won the national championship
with Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh is an a mediocre college football program,
and he threw for th over three hundred yards and
beat them and then they go to the Remember like
John Gruden used to have the QB camps, right, I

(49:37):
want you to break down this play for me, Nathan.
I love Nathan, and Nate could break it down. And
he goes, I think this guy might be the next
Tom Brady. So when the Bills drafted him in the
fifth round, every Bills fan dug out except me dug
out that quote. And he had a decent preseason everything.
Oh this guy, I'm like, I'm telling you, this is the.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Story he told us Nathan Peterman about the Rocks his
dad would up rocks. We interviewed him.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
No, no, we didn't interview Nathan Peterman.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
We didn't.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
You and I were long We interviewed Nathaniel Hackett, the
offensive cordinator.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Nathan Peterman. Oh no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Nathan Peterman was quarterback like long after you and I
worked together. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Maybe you interviewed him, but I never interviewed him. Think
there was something about the rock anyway, it doesn't matter.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
But the point is, though, is that Peterman like had
the weakest arm in college football, according to.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Sharp Football Analysis, he just like it was awful.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
He couldn't throw the he couldn't throw the five or
ten yard out, which is an important throw to make.
And they decide, you know what, you know what we're
gonna do. We're gonna let him replace Tyrod Taylor because
we think we got something in this kid. Because the
week before, in garbage time against the Saints after they
crushed the Bills, he let him out a touchdown drive.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
We found out about Nathan Peterman?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah right, oh god, most quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
So when you hear about the hey they did well,
yeah in preseason, Oh they did well at seven on sevens,
doesn't matter, doesn't mean a damn thing, right, all right?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Well, uh, we'll take a moment. I want to bring
some up with you and I it's a fear because
I always go fears like your drunk friend at a party, loud,
obnoxious and trying to get home early. You know what
I mean, you're not really living. So we will get
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Speaker 4 (53:16):
Okay, we need told you na good, We need told gah.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
We need told you you're not strong enough too up
a good fight. We need told you you know worth.
We need told you you loved, we need told g W.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
You'll never be.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
There is a silent boss of your life. I don't
know this artist Zach Williams, but I saw the song
furious a Liar.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It's a Christian song, is it really?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I've heard this, Yeah I know, but I go, it's
the silent boss of your life?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
You know?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
And what would you do if you weren't afraid? And
I don't mean, like, you know, jumping out an airplane.
I'm not talking about things that would risk your life,
but things that would literally take you out of your
comfort zone. You could fall on your face, you could
do whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (54:20):
And I have been spending the past couple of days
doing some real nuttie. It sounds n even like deep
reflection to go what is it inside of me that
I'm starting to think this? I'm starting to think that
life is a mirror and everything you, everything that you're

(54:44):
dealing with, is some part of you. If someone's pushing
buttons inside of you, if they're always a certain way,
what is it in? What is that representing? What is
that reflecting back in yourself? You know what I mean?
And it's weird and how.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
To treat us.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
We teach people how to treat ye.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Sure, And I go, man, what is fear really? It's
a biological thing. I mean people will tell you like
it's a great we need to pay attention to fear.
But procrastination, overthinking, perfectionism. I know you've dealt with it,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
And I go, it's like the chihuahua.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Come on, we gotta go.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
No, you can't do that. Come on, No, you can't
do this. No, stay away, stay away, don't do don't
do that.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
And I go, Man, you think about people what fear
has done for people. It's missed opportunities, it's relationships, it's promotions,
it's life changes, it's all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
It's on your head.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, it's all on your head.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
It could be your greatest ally or your biggest enemy,
pick one.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Right, And I think like Jack Canfield is a motivational speaker,
and I think it's the guy behind the job chicken
Soup for the soul chicken.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, it's about thirty years.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Everything you want is on the other side of fear.
Everything you want is on the other side of fear,
and you get, but you regret not trying. Yeah, you
know what I mean, And it usually the pain of
failing back of all the things that you wish you'd done.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Man, I could have done that. Well, stop do it?
I go through it every day, I know exactly.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
What do you mean? You go through it every day?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Gosh, like I don't. I don't want to get like.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I don't know who might hear this, but there's some
things that I'm working on right now that I'm afraid
to pull the trigger on necessarily, But eventually the pain
to not change has to be greater than the pain
to stay the same.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Only unwillingness to not yeah, to stay there right exactly. Oh,
I'm curious as to what these things are. I don't
want to say now.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I'll tell you afterward. There's nothing major, something we all do.
It's just like at some point you got to feel like, Okay,
if I if I done all I can here, is
it time to move on?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Right, right right? I got a great wife at home.
Does she deserve better? And I'm not talking about me
like more if that makes.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Sense, you know, does she deserve better than me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I want you to date my friend Bill and Stiff.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
No, that's not what I mean, yeah, because it's usually
the regret outweighs the pain. And I have a lot
of things that I feel like I have held back
from doing because I'm afraid and are one of them
is just different aspects of things. And I still can't
get over that. And I started to go back and
I remember why. There's reasons why I don't do it,

(57:25):
Like there's things that have been said to me many, many,
many years ago when I was a kid that I
have held onto and made a belief and it's probably
not true, right, It's probably bullshit, And you just got
to go, that's bullshit. And I could do that so
well with so many things like this, except this, I
get it, and I don't know why I get it.
And now I'm faced with this thing, and I go,

(57:47):
this could be like life changing if you did it
and it works, it could be life changing, could be amazing.
But if you don't do it, you never know.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
You'll never find out. And that's been ten years from now,
you'll be in the same boat that you are right now,
being in that boat.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
No, that's the thing. And I and I it's funny
because I see guys who just do things they just
do it, and it's a I find that to be
an amazing trait. And I don't know, Like when you're younger,
it's almost like you don't understand what the consequences could be.
So you're just that being naive is a gift and

(58:22):
you just go and do whatever it is. And then
you get older and you go, oh, I can't do that.
This one will happen, and this will happen, and I
watch other guys and I'm like, oh, fuck, they're just
they're just out there doing it. They don't they don't
care if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, and they.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Move whatever.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
It's hard it is because why what the fuck did
we do as human beings?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Danny, I don't know, because I really truly believe there's.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
No meaning to anything other than the meaning you apply.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
To it, right, So the whole thing. Right as a
kid like to this, like I didn't know what it
was at the time. I was not a good athlete
at all, but I wanted to be such a great
baseball player. My father to Rotator Cuff throwing me fly
balls in the back. I learned how to catch the ball.
My biggest issue though, in baseball was I was afraid
of the ball. I didn't realize it until about five
years ago. I'm not joking. I got hit by a

(59:10):
pitch when I was eleven years old or ten years old,
and it hurts so bad that I never wanted to
get back in that batter's box again.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
And so I was just scared at that point. And
it was like bouncing balls.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
But that ball's not gonna hurt you. It ain't gonna
hurt you. That at twelve I hit again knocks the
wind out of me, right, So it became a protective mechanism.
So I never, like, you know that that fear of
getting hurt outweighed the fact that it's just go after
the ball.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
And it became like a kind of a metaphor for life.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
And what I didn't know is I had this inherent
like anxiety in my life that I let rule me to.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Protect me from getting hurt. Dude, like a nervous mom
who won't let her kid go outside. The same thing
I wouldn't try out for. I had never gotten cut
from a sports team ever in my life. I never
got cut. Every team I tried out for, I made it.
I wouldn't try out for basketball because I was certain
I would get cut and I didn't think I could
handle and I so wish that I did and I
did get cut, so I could learn how to handle it,

(01:00:05):
because there's a lesson in there. Yes, And then I
wish I could have proven to myself resilience and come
back and make it. I love the game of basketball.
I'm awful at it. Jamison laughs his ass off. He
can cross over, do all things. He's up and under
the back. I'm standing there. I look like I've got
two left feet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I remember that one time where he brought somebody in
to take pictures him posterizing you dunking so he could
put it on his wall.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I mean I thought that was a little extreme.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
It's a fathead. Yeah right, yeah, well, you know what
I'm saying. The only thing and I don't want to
go we don't need to go too far on this,
but I would just say this, as you start your
week and do things, I feel like it's a compass.
Use it as a compass to do exactly that whatever
you're most afraid of accomplish.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
A compass A compass Okay, did I say a compass twice?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
A compass or something like a compass.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Here's another word earlier I never heard of before.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
What was that? Obliteration? Optim optimization optimization? No, no, you're
like opt.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
It might be my stupid downstate accent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
But no, no, no, no, you used to word earlier
that I'd never heard of before, but made a lot
of sense. I didn't say anything. I don't want to
sound dumb here I am revealing that now you used
to like opt to something. But the point is, though,
is that, okay, your compass. Go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
What I'm saying is the thing you're most afraid to
do is the thing you need to do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, face first to do It's easier said that done.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yes, it's the one you most need to do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
You got to expose yourself. It's called exposure therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Go and do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, go and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Here's the thing. If you associate, like Tony Robbins talks
about pain versus pleasure, if you associate massive pain to
the thing you want to get away from and reinforce
that you'll get away from that. And if you associate
massive pleasure to the thing you want to do, you
go out and do that and then reward yourself and
you reinforce, rewarding yourself for the things that you did

(01:01:53):
that you didn't think you could do, and create pleasure.
Out of that, you will build momentum, and in that momentum,
you will then go exceed even you will fail along
the way, but you're like the success. The taste of
that pleasure will override any fear or pain that you
once had. But you got to be able to use
both of them, and you got to use them wisely.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
But fear is like your drunk friend to depart.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yeah, you gotta start applying pain to fear.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
That's that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Use pain to your advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, Like, I don't want to like you don't want
to be there again. I don't want to go back
like like I remember what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Like to be broke in radio. I don't want to
go back to that again.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah. Never.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, that's why I work so hard.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I work three jobs plus I do this podcast with Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
All Right, we will close it out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
It's a pretty deep episode of that. Well, I mean
it gets a little deep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Nudity, dude, well nudity quarterbacks, quarterback, that kind of thing.
All right, we learned today, Oh yeah, we learned a lot.
We learned a lot, uh with fear. Push through it, ye,
find a way. What you want is on the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Rewarded.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I need to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Reward your self for overcoming fear and you'll like it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, well not withoutcohol.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah okay, cool with the ice cream and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
The ice for Dan Burrello. Bill Moran will see you tomorrow,
see if they were looking borrow. Kind of night with
Tennessee