The Retirement of Brother Wease-Behind the Mic, Radio Shifts and the Birth of Billified

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, hello and welcome.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
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a friend, Tell your friends. This is where we're talking
about stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Stuff. That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
There was a big change in Rochester radio. I have
gotten numerous calls and numerous questions, and people want me
to talk about behind the scenes, what really happened, And
I'll tell you. I'll give it to you as straight
as I can from my opinion, of course, and remember
that's going to be my opinion. But one of the

(01:04):
big changes is that Brother Wes announced that he was retiring. Now,
when a guy like Weez retires, it's normally they have
a parade or a year.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, I'm retiring any year, you got it.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
You got it. The soldiers here. But I thought it
would be fun to kind of just talk about and
talk to people who had spent significant time with Brother Weez,
and one of those people is rich the Bolgenzler, who
was a part of Weis's show in the early nineties,
right bowl, and then you went to Afternoons in like
ninety four.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, I mean that I'm too old to remember my
chronology in my timeline, and my resume is not updated,
so it should be. But yeah, no, I started in
like eighty nine and worked with we'z probably for three
or four years through Winton Road. So I was Wee'z's
producer for a while before I started doing Afternoons with
BJ And Yeah, I mean, Weez was. It's odd because

(02:04):
I wanted to be more of an air quote DJ,
and I kind of became that, and then it became
more of a personality as my career evolved, right, So
like Heino was like my guy, Like Caina was like
my DJ mentor right right, And then I got in
with Weez, who was you know, even that early in
his career, he was.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Already pretty legendary.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
I mean he was setting the mark, you know, five
six years into the business and only maybe you know
that amount of time into doing mornings. He was set
in the tone everybody was following. No one could compete
with him. I mean it was pretty ridiculous. So why
not you know, attached my horse to that, or my Yeah,
I attached my horse to that and then or my cart

(02:46):
to that. And then you know, I was that guy
and you were probably that too when you were interning
that you did whatever was asked, like you were there
all day, every day. It didn't matter how many credits
you were getting or how many hours you were supposed
to put in. You were there a this is what
you wanted to do and be because you wanted to
learn and see.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
It was really freaking fun.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
It was. It was fun. And I yeah, I mean
I I got in doing weekend. It's my senior year
at Fisher, so that's how I got in there. And
I was I had I had been on the radio
in my hometown and stuff, but I had heard of
weez because the morning guy there just worshiped him, thought

(03:27):
he was the greatest thing. And I just to interject
for a second, Dave Kine posted a thing on Facebook
yesterday that I thought really summed up Weeze, maybe better
than anybody has. It says you were the unlikeliest and
most uncommon and unconventional radio personality in Western New York
and elsewhere. You've enjoyed unprecedented and unparalleled success. Your legacy

(03:51):
includes unmatched and unbelievable run of consistent rating success that
continued for years. Whether it was The Brother Weeze Morning Circus,
Radio Free Wiez, or The Wei Show, your broadcasts were uncompromising, unbridled, unpredictable,
and uncensored. Your charitable efforts and your unwaving support and
promotion of Rochester will never go unrecognized. And now it's

(04:13):
time to unplug. I thought, but I mean I thought
that unconventional. I mean he was uncommon and unconventional. You
did not hear guys like Weez on the radio.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
No, you didn't hear guys like him with his voice.
I mean, he was just not Yeah, he was just
not a radio guy at all.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
He just talked.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
He was the epitome of talk radio. He was what
talk radio sort of became, right, I mean absolutely, talk
radio was primarily news talk until you know, you started
event well obviously Stern was in the mix, right, but
you know, there were only a handful of people doing
that kind of radio, and he really kind of sort

(04:54):
of set the tone for what was sort of, in
my opinion, the heyday of radio for about I don't
know twenty years ish until corporate America got involved and
ruined it. But yeah, I mean he he did it
out of his own He did it his own way,
He did his own things, He did his own way.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
To unbridled is a great term for him.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, because as his produce, like, it was great being
a air quote personality, sports guy or whatever you wanted
to be to me, to be the kid that you
beat up, it didn't matter whatever.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
That was great, But producing him was tough.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Producing him was really tough because you know, you thought
along the way, having spent some time with him, that
you kind of knew his flow and what he liked
and didn't and what might fit in not And in
doing that, you know you and having that knowledge, you
would be like, well, I think this would be great here,
this would be a great interview here, this would.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Be a great bit. Blah blah blah blah blah. And
numerous times he's like, raw, what are we doing here? What?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
What?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Why? Why do we said that? Who is this? But good? Good,
good good?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
You know, like all that and the other thing too
with we'ves, which was pretty famous for him and for
a lot of the best people media. They literally just
literally I'll call it this set but the studio walk
in and go right. I mean he was, he was,
and somebody else posted this recently.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
He was a storyteller, end of story. Yes, he was
a storyteller.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yes, And the stories that he had to tell were
absolutely remarkable.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
And the times that he lived in were so.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Applicable to the times he broadcasting, if that makes sense.
So yes, he shared similar memories to so many of
his listeners. And then I think he also, you know,
day to day, every day was every day was different,
going back to you know, you're taught in radio, especially
nowadays when you have that kind of a show. Dad

(06:43):
would called benchmark bits right where you're doing something every
single day at the same time, right because your listeners
are expecting it. But if I took one thing away
from Wee's, it was no do that, like, do something
different every day, so people are they don't know what
to expect.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
And for that reason, I always thought that was a
better approach.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
And I thought that not only his ratings proved it,
but when I was doing what I was doing, our
ratings proved it. So I felt like, you know, that
was an approach that most people weren't doing.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
And the other thing.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Lastly, and I'm rambling a little bit, but you know,
I remember some absolutely heated battles like you wouldn't be
in them, but you'd walk by the offices of our
program directors and they were just battles, like wars, like
they were gonna be thrown down, fistfights happening on the regular.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yeah, we's just getting bitched at and yelled at and why.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Did you do this?

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Or I can't believe you did that, or.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Blah blah blah, you're gonna you know, our license is
in jeopardy or blah blah. But you know, whatever the
argument might have been on management side, de Sid was like,
you know, yeah, this is what I do, you know,
And and there were times that I thought for sure
something bad was gonna happen. And ultimately management they knew,
they knew what he was, they knew his talent, they
knew he was unlike anything else, and they let it ride.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
And good for them for doing that.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
That was very smart early on because he was, you know,
as Dave said, the uncommon and unconventional radio personality with
the voice. Right, you had to have a voice when
you were on radio. He didn't have that similar voice,
but he had his own language and he brought his
It was he was so unique that it cut through
and it was different. And he had a warmth about

(08:22):
him that I think people just connected to. And he
was raw. I hear all the things you're saying, you
know about him. I think I came from it from
a slightly different perspective. Right. I had done all my
my own radio shows and I was about to leave
and they put a cease and desist on me and said,

(08:42):
why don't you produce wheeze and do afternoons to try
to meet the salary I was going to get had
they not, you know, to go to another another state.
And I didn't find it as hard to produce Wheeze
because I had all that background. And I think one

(09:03):
of the biggest problems was they were putting people in
to produce a show who had no radio experience, and
that's so fucking unfair. It just is, because you got
a monumental thing. But at the same time, Bowl some
of the funniest shit I had ever been part of
just went down during that time. And I always thought

(09:24):
like he was sort of I guess a mentor. I
remember saying to his Stanley. He's like, hey, hang around
the morning show, hang around Wiez. And I'd be like, oh, yeah,
I want to pick his brain. He goes, you can't.
You can't really pick his brain. You just got to
watch what he does. And that was the thing. And
then I always felt like in the beginning I was
trying too hard when I look back, because I was

(09:48):
Miranimal and that was not That was a nickname for
another guy, Mark Moran at Fisher He called himself Miranimal.
I liked it, so I took it to the radio.
I mean it worked. It was a one name moniker,
we bowl mar you know, okay, But I was doing
more of a edgy kind of man cow thing. I remember,
We's going Brah And it took me a while. And

(10:11):
one thing I will say he taught me was because
I always tried to hide this. And I don't know
if you would agree with this or not, but I
always tried to hide being smart and not that I am.
I'm just saying that like intelligent radio, like sometimes on
Wee'z's show, there were great conversations that, like really good

(10:32):
deep conversations. I think a philosophy professor from the U
of R used to write weeds and say I evoke
you in my class because you think differently about these things.
And I heard you say this, and it was that
was when I was producing the show, and I remember thinking, yeah,
it's being people like intelligent stuff. They want to feel smart.

(10:53):
And I was more like, I want to be the rebel.
I want to be this, you know. And I didn't.
I didn't come from the background Weeze came from. We's
was the rebel. We'z was the antithesis of that. I wasn't.
I came from a college educated parents with master's degrees
and doctorates, you know what I mean. That's where I
came from. And I wanted to deny that and be

(11:15):
this badass, you know, guy on the radio. And I
remember the guy who is now Weeze's boss. And we'll
get into this a little bit later. Bob Morgan coming
to me and saying, yeah, saying to me, you could
be a GM. Let me teach you how to be
a general manager. And I'm like no, he goes, No,

(11:35):
we're going to schedule thing. I'm going to show you
how to do this. He goes, you don't want to
go and die in afternoon? Somewhere and not do this,
and I fucked ball. I wouldn't show up to the
meetings because I wouldn't go. I did not want to
do that. I did not want to be that guy
I wanted to be because growing up, I didn't hear

(11:56):
Weeze and Stern was blocked by an FM signal, so
I couldn't hear Stern out of New York, but I
could hear I Miss, and I loved I Miss's show,
and I loved I'm Miss's show. For being smart. He
would be the rebel, but hey would have you know,
a news reporter on talking about the big thing of
the day. I remember when he interviewed Bill Clinton when
he was just a candidate. So those were like the

(12:17):
influences for me. And Weeds was of a similar a
similar thing. And I gotta tell you, man, I had
some of the most fun stuff when I was part
of that show.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Just being in there and not so my cousin Bill,
who still lives in Rochester and he is a huge
weez fan, always has been. And it was sort of
like a memorabilia collector, and he was one of those
guys that would like show up at a place if
a famous person was going to be there to get
an autograph or a picture or whatever. Right, this is
way back in the day before there were signings and

(12:53):
all of that, right, So he knew what I did,
and he knew Sam Kinnison was coming in, right, and
he was like, can I come in and just take
some picure? And I'm like, well, let me ask is
I was still very young at the time in the
business and in the organization.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
They're like, yeah, no problem whatever.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
And he was a really good photographer back in the day,
and that's what he kind of did part time as
a hobby.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
So he comes in and just the way that that.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
I mean, here's Wee's in little Rochester, New York, right,
not not a major metropolis, right, mid fifties, size market,
definitely medium market.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
And yet he was never intimidated by anybody that.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Was famous that came into the studio A and B
people that were famous.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Why did it come to the studio?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
They did because they.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Heard about him from other people. I mean, Wee's was
not just Rochester. Even back in the late eighties and
early nineties, his name was getting out there in the
inner in the entertainment industry.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
He got an offer to go to Miami and do mornings, yeah,
and he wouldn't go.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
So, you know, I want to go back to one
thing you said earlier, and I have to get this
in before before I leave. But you mentioned him just
being just a downright good person. I will never forget this.
I tell a story all the time. So I felt
like at the time, I had been interning for like
a year, right, and I got to know everybody in
the salesperson. You know me, I'm kind of that happy,

(14:14):
go lucky kid that wants to be part of everything
and whatever.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
So I was on the station softball team, you know
I was. I was.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I was the soldier before the soldier, right, So I
was do everything kid because I wanted to get there.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
I wanted to be there. I wanted to do it right.
And I'll never forget I invited.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
I was graduating from Fisher in eighty nine and I
invited the whole station to my graduation party at my house.
One person showed up and you know who that was.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
It was Wee'z. I'll never forget that.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
And We's was arguably at the height or close to
it of his career.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
I will never ever forget that.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
That was so heartwarming and special for someone that I
looked up to and someone who was so popular and had,
you know, people were pulling him from every direction.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
To have to take an hour.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
And stop by my house and celebrate my graduation from college.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Really was. I'll never forget that.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
You mentioned the philanthropy and al of charity, the lyric
work he did, I mean it go and some of it,
like for a lot of celebrities, is not even spoken of.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Right, you don't even know he does it.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
But he he had and still does has an incredibly
kind heart. Always did you know, facade aside, you know,
believe him for what you think he is deep down
he is an absolute sweetheart of a person. And I
am really happy I got to know him.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah. I remember we became friendly with Lisa Lampinelli because
we said to me when I started producing his show,
I said, what is something he always wanted to do
that you never did? And he goes, I want to
broadcast from the Montreal Comedy Fest, which is no longer
in existence. And I said, Okay, we're going to get
it done, and he goes, you pulled that off. Well,
we went like three or fourty years in a row,

(15:59):
and we met Lisa Lampinelli there and became friends with her.
And I remember her saying to me, she just connected
with him. She's just like he's got such a warm heart.
And you could and that was the thing, like it
was a gruff exterior, right, and quickly judged he had,
you know, longer hair, biker typed looks that all the

(16:20):
tax I mean that, like I've never I always loved
the story and I wasn't part of the show. When
he took the boat to Ontario, Canada, and they were
all up there, but there were so many pillows and
shit thrown on there that he decided he would throw
them in the car. He was gonna run home, drive home,
and then go back to the boat somehow, I guess

(16:42):
go back. He gets to the border and they pull
him over and they're cutting open the pillows because they
think they're cocaine inside, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean that was always like it was.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
That, and he went through a lot of I think
he could identify with people very very well because he
was so unconventional that and he looked different that anybody
who was ever judged or pushed aside or whatever. He
could relate to that. He really goes from his own experience.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget this always because I
was a history of minor in college. It doesn't mean anything, really,
but I love history, and I'll never forget the conversations
about about the tapes in Vietnam. Things that I never
knew about that, right, that they actually had these mini
tape decks with them.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
The soldiers did.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
It's they could send audio back home. And he actually
had some of them and we actually listened to some
of them, unreal to real, and it was unbelievable because
he it was him, Yeah, but a fifteen year younger
version or twenty year younger version. It was crazy. And
some of the stories that came it's just remarkable. So

(17:56):
he was able to take his and think about it.
His persona was street, right, he was a biker.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's the time, like he right the street, That's what
I mean.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
And unlike the two of us who were you know, no,
mostly I would.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I couldn't be more white bread. I mean, that's just
the way it is. If you're gonna say it. I
have come to accept that and embrace it, you know,
and put my own spin on my own life, but
that that is true.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, so he was able to in a great way
sort of direct all of that experience into what he
did on air.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
And I think people appreciate it and the other thing.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
And I know this has been talked to Ed Nauseaum about,
but I think it's really really important for people to
realize what's that ninety nine was an innern I don't
care what they say about it today. Yeah, but when
it happened, I mean that was a massive international festival
with a quarter million people there may maybe more.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
I was there, including you were.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
At ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
I was at ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, I was too, because he did ninety four at
ninety nine.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, as the end, I'll never forget him doing, you know,
stage announcements.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
And like just the fact that Weez was asked, yes.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Of all the in the world, Yes.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Right, it's Weez do stage announcements. That's remarkable.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
It is remarkable. I agree with you so much. I
agree that guy. I agree. So that is you know
what I sort of forgot about that, but that is
absolutely unbelievable. You are so right and that and it
you know, I will get into this later after you
what do you gotta do today.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I got to jump off. I got a bunch of
stuff I have. My mom just moved back to Western
New York. She lived in Maryland for about fifteen years,
so she's now living in Buffalo. So I have to
go take it out to lunch before the Bills game.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Very nice. I have to ask you because I and
I will let you go. Today is the first Bills game.
By the time people hear this podcast, the game will
be over. It's a night game. It's a big game.
What are you how are you feeling about it?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Okay, So, because we're recording this, you can edit this
and actually put my correct prediction.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
In after that, No, I will not.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I will not do that. You want to do too?
Like people will cut too and then run whichever one? Yeah, yeah,
I do.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
I know now I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
So.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
I do a TV show in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
It's done if you if you see this and you
live in Buffalo, It's on WBBC, It's channel five on cable.
It's called The Shack and First Down Buffalo Pregame Show,
and we do it every week.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
It's on Saturdays and Sunday. Saturdays at five pm, Sundays
at noon so you can check it out. It's a
lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Anyway, So on the show this weekend, I'm not I'm
not going back on this because I feel there's a
couple of different factors in play. But I'm taking the
Ravens today. That's okay. The Ravens kicked the Bills ass
last year, and we know what the Bills did in
the playoffs, right, so I'm okay with that. I don't
love the fact that it's a home opener in the
last season of High Mark and all of that. That's fine,
but I just think they they are so deep in

(21:01):
their back seven that if the Bills don't have a
run game and what is there to say that they will,
I think they're in trouble. And then of course that
the Bill's defensive side of the ball, you know, their
secondary tray out is really tough. I mean, what are
they gonna do there? Who's gonna play safety? Is it
gonna be Ingram at corner? Is gonna be Are they
gonna call up Dans? I have no idea. I think
that's a problem. Remember Jay Flowers didn't play in that

(21:22):
playoff game last year. He is incredibly dynamic. Rashad Bateman
had a big game in that game last year, and
he is one of the more underrated guys. In fact,
if you play fantasy football, you probably look at the
players available.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
He's one of them.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
But he has this tendency to have big games in
big moments, and I get it. I likely's not playing
for the Ravens, and that's a big deal for them
because he is a massive contributor. Remember it was in
Week one last year against the Chiefs that the Ravens
lost literally by a toenail.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
His likely in the zone.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
He won't play, So that means Mark Andrews is going
to have to go back to the Mark anders where
you're used to see in.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
A couple of years ago. But they still love Lamar
and they still.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Love Derrick Henry and Josh historically has not played well
against the Ravens regular season.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
So I'm gonna take the Ravens.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I do.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
And by the way, I don't know if anybody knows this,
but they're favored coming into this game.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah they are now. I think the line changed late
last week, Yeah right, I think somewhere around Thursday Friday. Yeah,
a lot of people are saying that I'm a Homer.
So I'm still picking them twenty seven to twenty four,
I think, is how I had the score. But something
like that, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I'm a ball you're with bull?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I think most people are, and
I think really deep fans are, Like we can accept that.
We can accept this because they've been planning. The Baltimore
Ravens since the schedule came out, have been game planning
for this day.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like this is the this is the Ravens revenge.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, it's the Ravens revenge.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Well, and here's one last thing then I gotta go. Yeah,
and I'm taking up your tongue too, jeez. The last
game the Ravens played was where they're playing tonight, right, yes, so,
and that that says something to me.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
I'm not a big guy.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
I don't really believe in the carry over year to year.
I just think there's too much time in between games.
But I do believe that when they step back out
in the field, they're gonna remember that.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
And the other thing too, is this is for the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
You got to think of from their perspective, for the Ravens,
this is the Bills Kansas City game.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Right, the Ravens need this.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Game if they have any chance of getting the one
seed in the end, right, yeah, because there's a good
chance that they come down and maybe they have the
same record, but if they have beaten the Bills, that's
massive for them. So I think the Ravens go into
this game thinking this is the Bills Kansas City game.
We got to win this game so we can have
a game up on the Bills going forward. So that's
why I'm taking the Ravens, and I think it'll be

(23:42):
high scoring as well.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Take the over probably, you know, I love the.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, I don't know what is do you know the
over bawl. I don't know what this is.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
I'm assuming the over is in the fifties pot I
I fish or something. I haven't checked it this morning,
but you know there's gonna be a lot of points scored.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
I would, I would, I would bet. So, thank you
man for having me on. I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Why I appreciate you, and uh, I think your insight
to sports stuff is uh. I'm gonna say unmatched and
I'll piss some people off, but I do. I was
really impressed. You put it very I always say this bull,
we need to be more like this device. Right, it's intuitive.
The iPhone is intuitive and they've dropped them in the

(24:24):
middle of a tribe in Africa. The hardest thing to
do is turn it on. After that, it's sort of intuitive.
I think you make sports that way, and I think
that's a very agree I think seriously, and I think
Danny does a nice job. But Dan will get very
deep on things personal. Yes, he gets very personal. Bull
and you know, you know we're talking about big, big time.
Bull's big.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
You know, Bull is one of the voices of the Bills.
Has been fast for years, so you know, I mean
that's big time.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yep, I think so too. Ball, Go enjoy lunch with
your mom. And uh, I am going to say this,
go Buffalo, let's go Bills.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Hey, look I want them to win.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I know you do. Yeah, all right, thank you, Thanks
for your time, man, Everyone appreciate it. There he goes, Uh,
Mark is here, and well, why don't we take a moment,
and then I want to hear about your stuff with weez. Uh.
We'll see if we can get somebody else on. And
then I am going to go into what I believe happened.

(25:19):
And I think it's going to be the most accurate
thing that you're gonna hear. I think there's gonna be
lots of opinions out there, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Look, well, kind of you know, after you saw what
was going on when you left two years ago, you
know what I mean, that was the start of everything changing.
I thought when they got rid of YouTube, you're when
you know, when all of a sudden, when when I
was gone. Yeah, well when you were gone, because you
were they were priming up for you to be the

(25:46):
feast of the show. And you're not there anymore. And
so do you want me to talk about all that?
I do?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
You want me to talk about all that? You can?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Now? Right?

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I can probably.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Who's there? I mean, let's put this way. This is the
way I'm thinking about it. I'm never going back ever
to that, to radio TV ever again. Okay, So I'm
gonna say whatever you know, and I'm gonna say it
whatever I know that you you know, there's always that
shot that someone's gonna call you one Dane.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Oh, I don't have that. I will say to you.
I don't think that way because I want to. I don't. Look,
I'm going back for a master's degree I thought you
did I tell you that.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I think you know you didn't, but I heard it,
you said in a text. Yeah, but I thought, because
I didn't, I heard Reeson's we said an announcement. So
I'm in school. So here's my thinking. He's gonna retire,
Deanna's gone, everybody's gone. I'm like, they're bringing Bill back,
and they're gonna put him in until you they're gonna
be the morning show. I thought for sure that was

(26:46):
what was gonna happen. No, no, not even close. No,
not even close.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I knew. I knew what was happening. Yeah, and and
I'll explain, Uh, we'll do. I want to share some
of my my stories with Wie's and I I think
you probably have some stories, maybe if some funny moments,
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(29:19):
I gotta do a little weeze music.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Wheeze music.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
We really brought little feet, I would say, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Say to prominence, I think so. Yeah, I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
See I always loved this song, and I always associated
with him, But you know.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
You know, A bull said it was hard to produce Wheeze,
and I think back in those times, was it probably was.
I didn't, but I had, And I said, like, I
hate saying this because you sound like you're in a dick.
But I always felt like I had an advantage, you know,
I didn't. I wasn't an intern at CMF.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I was.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I was hired there. I had been on the radio.
I had sat out a year of college and did
midnight to six, maybe the best training ground ever. And
I realized that I liked talk because I got bored
playing music. So I would just open the phones in
the middle of the night and talk to people. They
call them pay phones at the corner of Maine and Cherry,
which is the worst part of Poughkeepsie. I went down

(30:32):
there during the day and wrote down all the phone numbers,
and I was so excited. I thought this would be
the greatest thing, like and I just it was just fun.
It was a playground for me. I didn't even care
about money. I think I don't even know what I
made when I worked at WPDH and Poughkeepsie. I couldn't
tell you. And when I started full time at CMF,

(30:52):
and they said to me because I was going to
go to Syracuse to a radio station and they were
going to hire me, and the stan Main's like, no, no,
I'll honey, you stay here, become the promotions director and
be my filling guy. Like anybody's off. You feeling for
Dave k and you're feeling for Bowl. You do whatever.
And then eventually they put me in afternoons and I

(31:13):
was making fifteen grand a year. Well here was that
nineteen ninety Yeah, the fall of nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, ninety ninety nine, when I was marketing stretcher picks, why,
I was eighteen thousand.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Okay, okay. And those were thankless jobs, man, I mean
just absolutely thankless jobs. But all that aside, I will
say like I did come in though, with an advantage
because I had already done. I had done afternoons, I
had done Basically they gave me from six to nine

(31:48):
pm to do whatever I wanted on the radio. So
I played games and I did shit and phone calls.
I had strippers in. I just did whatever I wanted.
So then to be producing and Wheeze and I. I
always felt like when I worked with him, I really
did not We didn't share a brain, but we thought
very similarly. Yeah, you know what I mean, we approached

(32:10):
stuff similarly. Uh and maybe that was just sort of
the the I don't know, I don't know what that was,
but we we did. And then there were times where
I could clean it up. But We's had it in
his contract that if Stan Maine ever left the radio station,
he would become the UH operations manager. Mark he became

(32:33):
the operations manager. And I used to have to go
to the meetings because it was Wee's and there and
they go the GM at the time, who has passed away,
Al Casaza Al came to me and said, I need
you to come into these meetings and you know, we'll
represent the show a little bit more because we would

(32:54):
come in right. Let me tell you about the mother
fuck you know all that stuff and UH. Later this week,
I'm gonna have BJ shay on. But I want to
do BJ more from a radio perspective as a whole,
because BJ certainly has UH more radio stations and high
profile and bigger cities you know around him. But give

(33:16):
me some stories from your day, because I do remember.
I remember that time when you were there and it
was on Winton Road. You guys were in the phone
screening room a lot, and I put on so much weight,
like after college, because I would go in every day

(33:36):
and eat and eat.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I would Dido's bagels.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
It was every day was bagels and cream cheese lunches,
and I fuck, I just ate and ate because you were,
you know, and I ate. And I remember going home
and somebody saying to me in a very polite way,
you know, hey, you're looking roundther prosperous I think was

(34:00):
the term, you know, looking prosperous, which means fat in
a way.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Just right say fuck you. You know, but you had
I mean you.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Were there for some of the core.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Hey I was there the heyday, I believe. Yeah, I
was there. Yeah, I was there during Howard Stern. Howard
was there during the Howard Stern era.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yes, So.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Every day was different every day and you couldn't walk
in there, and you forget to mention. And this is
something to be proud of, especially you being a producer.
There were no.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Writers, No, there were no writers.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
All these shows that you listened to, and that includes
Rover and stuff have three to six writers. Stern has
six has six writers, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (34:40):
He does. This is all true, by the way, and
Stern's been much more open about that that if you listen,
and he'll mention, oh so and so she's a writer
for the show.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And it's funny because you're absolutely right. There were no writers.
It was just organic stuff. And I don't know if
Rover has them. I know, like I know there are
sixteen people behind the scenes for the Seacrest show. Holy shit, yeah,
because there's so many people that need to chop it

(35:11):
up because they run into middays in some markets they
do this so they repackage it all. But he has
sixteen people, and I think two of them are writers. Wow, Yeah,
that's crazy. And he makes seventy million.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Do make seventy million? You know? And he you know,
and and then he has to do Wheel of Fortune
and American Idol. Yeah, they freaking guy must have so
much fucking money.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
He does. But uh, I but you're right that there
was no writers. It was it was you.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Would walk in and he'd have we'd have an agenda farm.
There'd be an agenda farm cut out stuff from the newspaper,
Cindy Wood and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
He wouldn't use.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
He would start off in the morning when you start out,
he would start off for eating stuff like that. But
then once the show kicked in, he would it would
just be what was going on, who was who called,
or what the guests were and stuff like that. Some
of the worst guests were the best guests. What do
you mean, Well, I'll never forget when Scott Van Duson
produced a show.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Okay, but that was down when he was downtown.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, that was still when okay, yeah, because they because
they wanted me to produce the show. Yeah, And I
said no, Okay, I said no, And he just like, bro,
why don't you want to produce the show? I go,
I like to, I go, you will kill I go,
you will beat me up?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
You beat me up?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Now I was an assistant producer. No, no, no, no,
he goes, you got this. You got to say absolutely not.
And I knew that I was eventually going, you know,
I was going to go into sales or our marketing job.
I knew I wasn't going to stay in the radio
in the radio end of it. So Scott Scott gets

(36:52):
a guy on did some I forgot that he was
the first person to use a portable microphone own or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
That's the Yeah, not only did we kill all of
course he killed.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
The guy who was kill was odd. Yeah, and it
turned into one of the best, one of the best.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Because it's funny, right. I would say one of the
great things about brother Weez was uh. He was a
great reactor and.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Sometimes at his own fault though he would ruin He
hated bits. He would ruin a lot of bits that
we tried to deal.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yes, but this is true. So brother weez Uh, I'll
just say this the science, right, there are people. There
are consultants, and there are people who come in and
I think they can at times because some of them,
not all of them, but I always go consultants make

(37:59):
me WinCE a little bit. However, there are some that
can really convince management to go he got to back
the fuck off and let this talent be the talent.
Stan Maine when he was a consultant was like that,
and I think the guys from Jacob's media were like
that in my experience. So I think there are times
where We's being so unconventional was the best. I mean,

(38:27):
I don't know. I thought like so when they would
tell you as consultants, they would say, you need a
generator and a reactor, right, a generator and a reactor.
So when I ended up doing the show with Tommy, Tommy,
you're never gonna outfunny Tommy, right, and you don't need
two dicks on the show. So what I would say
is I would be the generator. I would come up

(38:49):
with the content, but I knew how Tommy thought, and
most of the time I knew how he would react.
So I would find content that would elicit the best
from Tommy. But I didn't have to bring it out.
I needed to be in my role and I could
do other things. But I the funny was Tommy, and
I think with Wee's he was a great he just

(39:10):
he was not a generator of content. He was a
reactor of content. And a lot of times his stories
and stuff, you may say, well he generated the story, yes,
but his best stuff was reactor. He wasn't a generator.
And the proof of that is when he didn't have
a story and the show would start slowing down, he
would reach for what was called the complete sheet. It

(39:31):
was a service and they gave you all kinds of
stories from the day, and they had a stupid news
section and they would write things in like in parentheses
at the bottom like care or at the top careful Jedies.
That's how they would call it. They refer to the
DJs as Jedies, So careful Jedi controversial material ahead or

(39:53):
something like that. Because there were some stations that you
couldn't do that on right a soft rock station probably
subscribe to the service. There were certain things in the
service they wouldn't use, so they would put this warning,
so we would be reaching you just picking up careful
Jedis like he did. He didn't prepare for anything. And

(40:14):
that was the thing. And let me just tell you
the guy who produced the show before they put me
asked me to do it. His way of producing it
was because Weis was such a great reactor. Tom Bertina.
Oh yeah, he would type in this guy thinks you're
a dick. There would be no caller there, but he

(40:35):
go out to this. So there was phone screening software.
So if you call a radio show, usually somebody answers
the phone, they take the and if they're any good
at their job, they coach you up. Keep your phone
close to your mouth, make sure you're listening, leave a
little pause for the host react or whatever. Just simple

(40:55):
things right, and then you know, make sure they sound good.
And then you would type in their name, put him
on hold, and it would come up. So Britaino would
go out to the phone screening, which I think it
was just a booth at this time, was like a
a cubicle, and he would type in this guy thinks
you're an asshole, or this guy can't stand he he

(41:18):
thinks you're a liberal douche or something like that, and
Weeze would get on. So wee would go, oh wait, wait, wait,
bra Brah, hold on a second, let me get the
mother hooker over here. I've been waiting for this. And
he'd hit it and it would be a dial tone
because there was nobody there. Yeah, just a dial tone,
and he would go off. Mother hooker couldn't even stick
around to say. He had no idea that the guy

(41:41):
felt like the show is slowing down, so he just
raise his blood pressure price, writing something in like he
could have killed him, you know what.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm saying, Like he would get so worked up.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
But that was the beauty of brother Weez.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Was that I think that one of the great great
things and it's now today something they try to preach
and you'll hear it. I think is authenticity. Weeze was
I'm gonna say emotional that people would say vulnerable. I
would go, no, he was emotional on the air. Vulnerable

(42:14):
is part of that emotion. He would get angry, he
would be sad, he would be real, he would be depressed,
he would be elated. Everything his heart was I guess
on his sleeve, you could say, but it came out
and he knew where he stood on things, and he
knew where you stood with him.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
And he was very. People don't realize. People thought he
was cocky and stuff like that, and he really wasn't.
He was very. He could be insecure at times in
a good way though. You know when someone would say
to me, oh, well, I oh, We's is an asshole.
He came into my place and he demanded stuff for free,
and I go, no, he didn't because that was never.
That was never Weez. I'm not Weeze would be was

(42:55):
embarrassed when people wanted to pay for No, bro, I
got this.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
He was very. He was a very genuine generous person.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Who didn't in my opinion that he was. He would
take me out, you know, producing his show. I did
enjoy it, and I really tried to put things forth
that were good, you know when I first when I
first started, because well, let's go back. You were on

(43:26):
the show in the heyday, but you had one of
the most memorable moments on that show and.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
It still is mentioned to this very day.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
It was one of the thirty years ago funniest, funniest
fucking things I had ever heard.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And it goes with what you guys, what you were
saying with Bull about not being you said it not
being smart on the show, and that worked for me.
I was never I was not. I never played, ever
played the smart one, especially you know I you know,
I have somewhat of an education, but I never played
the smart role. I always played and it was genuine.
I mean I was actually really did not know who

(44:00):
that person was when I read. When I read and
you said fiddle, I didn't know that, well you were.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
What was in the whole contest that you were smarter
than Tommy or something or you were I forget.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
What the wasn't supposed to see who was the smartest
out of us? Five, I think, yeah, I think including
Charlie was producing into time. Yeah, so me me was
just me and Tommy. I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I don't remember either. I just remember. I mean it
was the one of the biggest laughs. And you couldn't
write something like that exactly because Mark gets in there
to read the question and he goes fiddle castro and
I remember just fucking falling out of.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
There because you were in there, you were watching.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I remember it. I remember the whole thing. I was
so funny. I can see it in my head. And
that was the beauty of that show. I mean, even
when we uh pretended he won the lottery and Cindy
go out or he bought a ticket on the way
in and he got it was a big problem. But
it was still in the newspaper. I mean, I know,

(45:02):
we just had a one point two billion or something, right,
and I think two people want it, but this was
something big. It was in the newspaper to the numbers.
So we took the winning numbers, bought a lottery ticket
on the way in, and then Hans Cindy the who
was on the show at the time, uh the numbers,
and she's going what he goes got she goes, oh

(45:25):
my god, oh my god. And he's like, she goes.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
And Billy Martin's wife was in was in the studios
at that time. Oh really, yeah, yeah, I don't know
if I don't know why I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
she was. She was in there, and she was sitting
next to Cindy. So I'll never forget because I'm standing right,
you know, I'm in the screening room. So Cindy's back was,
Cindy's back was to me, and yeah, I don't know
what Billy Martin's wife was. Her back was to me.

(45:49):
And in the reaction out of both of them was huge.
It was funny, was hilarious, and we were just in course,
we're dying in uh you know, in the in the back,
we're just dyeing.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, because they thought he won and she and even
Cindy was replayed a lot, and then they couldn't replace
Cindy stuff because Cindy had a sexual harassment lawsuitor. I
don't know what the hell went on. I actually do know.
I know that whole kind of what the impetus of
that was.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I was that all happened. I was when I left,
I left the show.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, that had that happened soon after that, so I
was I had gone. The company that owned CMF also
acquired the zone at the time, or or acquired that
signal and created the zone. So they moved me to
afternoon mornings on the zone. I was to do mornings
over there, and they brought back. They were building what

(46:48):
they called the bench because there was a scare that
we've had pancreatic cancer and weasel tell you that if
it wasn't for Doreen getting him to John Hopkins or
Johns Hopkins, excuse me, Uh, he wouldn't be alive today
because it wasn't because people believe that he had pan
created cancer. So once that passed, management said, we got

(47:11):
to bring back We need a bench. Right if We's
goes away, the station is gonna go away, So we
need a bench. So they brought.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
BJ back and Beth.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Donahue and they gave Beth Knights and I used to
get drunk and call bath, remember, and.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I produced the show.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
So yeah, so there was, uh, that was their their plan,
and then it was BJ and the Bowl and then
that wasn't working, so Bowl, I think got let go. Yeah,
and they just kept BJ and Bull went to Buffalo
and BJ yeah, because they had hired Bull. And then

(47:54):
that I remember, I so I get fired from the
zone because I turned the radio station off basically and left.
The didn't know I did that. Uh, such fucking dumb.
And that guy, the guy who's Bull's boss, called me
and said, I want you to do nights. I want
you to basically a morning show at night. And I go,
I'm not moving a buffalo. He's like, just talk. He

(48:15):
kept calling me, just talking to the tape recorders just
so I can say I got tape. Stand mean says
you're great, I've heard you on come on, and I
go and I don't want to do it. And I
didn't do it. I was I don't know why. I
was like afraid to go. And then uh, BJ was
just playing music and stuff and they were paying them
up like a morning salary. So Kevin Lagret comes in

(48:38):
and goes, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna be blowing BG out.
He wanted two afternoons again, and I go, yeah, sure.
So I felt bad because I knew what was happening,
but you know, and I think BJ saw the writing out.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
The problem with BG was BG's g He was the
og of them, you know, he was you know, he
was one of the first you know, sidekicks. You know
when I went to a morning show, a talk morning show,
and when they brought him back, it just wasn't what
it was twenty years wow.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
They did things like I'll never forget sinkle to Mayo
and I think bowl and BJ or no, they did
something with a mayonnaise in a sink for sink of
to myo. Oh yeah right, and then they did another one.
I know they did this because I was sort of jealous,
and then when I saw it happen, I was like dumb.

(49:29):
They they got a hot tub and they were out
somewhere for Saint Patrick's Day and they sat in a
bowl of lucky charms and broadcasts got hot up filled
it with like this is so but they were. It
was wacky radio, you know what I mean. And it's like,
in contrast to weeds, weez isn't sitting in a ball

(49:51):
of lucky charts, you know what I mean. And I
was entombed in concrete. I've done similar things, but I
didn't sit down.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
So BJ was used to. When once he left you know, Rochester,
he went into you know stations where he was doing
the wacky Yeah, there was a when they did the
promotional pictures bowling on BJ. Yeah, there's a picture of
them right next to each other and it'll look like
an engagement picture. And I sent it into the grease post.

(50:23):
I can't remember if.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
That was posted.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I would think if it was post, I would have
remembered it, but I don't remember what happened.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
That's so funny. All right, we'll uh, we'll take a boy.
What I am going to get into the nuts and
bolts of radio stuff. And I'm glad you're here because
you've lived through it and things. But I want to
tell a couple of stories first, and then I know
people want to know what happened? Why is this happening?
And I will give you my perspective on it. Is

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Speaker 2 (52:43):
When it's your favorite, I like John Hya, this is
This is Durian's wedding.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Wedding song I was, I was after well, yeah, after wedding.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I brought the hottest chick to that wedding because she
didn't even like me. She just wanted to go to
the wedding. Really, yeah, damn all over and stuff. Oh god,
there were things that would tears.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Let me pause because I'm gonna spew a bunch of
stuff here. Brother Weis is a radio talent uh in
the in the National Radio Hall of Fame, host of
Two Woodstocks ninety four ninety nine, the head MC who
suddenly retired. I think for a lot of people who

(53:31):
was sort of out of the oblivion. I don't like that,
you know, just he's retiring and there's a lot of things,
and we'll get it. I want to get into the
nuts and bolts of all that stuff. But I want
to tell you, like I knew of John Hyatt before
I came here, but I knew some I knew, like
drive South and other songs. I wasn't as familiar with

(53:52):
this one.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Really, this is one of his popular ones.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It is yeah, but I mean drive South this is
like you know what's area and yes it is yeah,
and Angel Eyes, which then became Jeff Heally and eighty
eight and so all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I will, oh yeah, yes, Jeff, He's is way better.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Yeah yeah, so I uh but but this is a
very beautiful song, is like, and there's a lot of
people who cover.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
It too, John Bon, Jovie Governor.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Oh god, it's awful though.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
No, I don't think it was that bad as really,
I don't know what it's on the Nears You soundtrack
to see.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
If I can find that anyway, this song when so
when I produced the show We's with was with his
third wife, who's is really truly his partner in life
right during wonderful for for for weeks really, I mean,
I don't I don't think I've ever seen somebody just

(54:48):
I mean, she just went through hell for that guy.
Because we used to make so much fucking fun. Because
We's had a very very rare form of cancer, yes
Diagel Faar and Geo cancer, and I was producing his
show during that time, and we did all these things
and to raise money and Wee's Cares and a lot

(55:11):
of people a lot of concern and stuff, and there
some really like uncomfortable moments where we's talked about like
how bad the radiation was because he was just going
through radiation and they basically had to zap his face
every day. And they found a doctor in New York.
Most people do not survive this cancer. They found a
doctor in New York and he went down there. He

(55:34):
lived in New York City and he broadcasts from there
as much as he physically was able to do, and
we would do the rest of the show. And there
was one day where he gets on and he goes,
I just want to give up. I don't want to
and then somebody called in and I don't know who
it was, was someone that was like always. I think

(55:55):
it might have been Mary Flood. Does that name sound
for that. I think it was Mary Flood who calls him, goes, Weeze, honey,
if you don't want to do it, you know, give up,
blah blah blah, all of a sudden, man out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah, So Sammy, the kids are so like they're still
in Rochester and Sammy, who's now a lawyer, he is
just a little guy. So uh weeze goes. Mary calls up.
She gets on the air and I remember I remember
sitting there like I was sitting behind his desk in
his in his studio, and he's talking about this. She says,

(56:29):
you know, we's if you want to just give up,
it's okay, we all love you. It's really really hard.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Fucking I remember, Dad, she's yep, I remember.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Don't you ever blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Then all of a sudden, Sammy, somehow somebody gets Sammy
to call. He's just a little boy. It gets Sammy
to call and he's like, uh, Daddy, don't give up,
don't you know? On the on the air, And it
was like one of them. I'm telling you when you
talk about things that this he was so he was
reality TV on the radio, right, he was more that you.

(57:05):
Who else was doing that? Right? It was just natural
and real and all that. But I God, I'll never
forget that. There was a time where Sammy, when I
was producing the show, got left on the school bus.
He fell asleep, which happens a lot. He fell asleep, Yeah,
because you were a bus monitor.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, and you if you don't, if you fucking if
the kid's asleep on a bus, now you're getting your
ass fired. There's no ifens butts about there's no excuse
you walk up and down that damn freaking bus.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
So he, uh, Sammy falls asleep on the bus. And
I think this might be during like this school day,
because I get a call in the middle of the day.
They're looking for Alan Levin and they can't find him
or whatever, and it's Sammy's on the but I guess
the bus driver went home to his house for lunch

(57:52):
or something, and Sammy opens the door, he gets out
of the bus and they can't find like it was
all this stuff. And this is where I think I
changed my whole philosophy on kids, because and it did.

(58:12):
My guys were really little that I don't think they
were even in school yet. So we I call and
I think if he was at Mama's on him. He's like, ah, bro,
so what He'll be fine, all right, I got it.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Dorian goes like she's flipping the fuck out everybody to
the next day you hear the whole story, right, and
he's just like and it made me realize. And I
said this the other day to somebody in terms of
like trauma for me, I was molested as a kid.
I go one of the worst things is everybody else's
reaction to it. Like as a kid, right, you see

(58:52):
your like if you if your mother never found out
you were molested by a babysitter, she's probably crying, the
babysitter's never come back, your parents angry you to your
brain isn't big enough and you're not experienced enough to
process that other than I'm in trouble or I caused
my mom to cry, and I don't want to be
that person. And it made me realize, don't make a

(59:14):
big deal out of scary shit for kids. And I
was like, we was like yeah, and I was like yeah.
And then I remember years later, like something happened at
one of my kids' schools where the swat teams outside
the door and I'm just like it's okay, everything fine,
and everybody else is flipping out, and I really saw.
I think that incident sort of changed my thinking on life,

(59:36):
and I go, you know, maybe we make too big
a deal. Like if a kid falls when my kids
were little, and they would fall, instead of oh my god,
are you okay, I'd be like, it's up, buddy, you're right,
you're good.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
That yeah, And that'suld I do it. That'suld I do it,
school kids fall, I'll laugh and they'll start laughing. Yes,
you know if you're like, oh you okay, then that's
when you start crying.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Yep. But A give you a thing I did when
I started producing Weezy's show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Now, when you started producing, take me back?

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Were you at?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Were you downtown?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
We were downtown and it was like two thousand and
it was after nine eleven, so two thousand and two maybe,
so were you at high follows yacht? No, okay, no,
we're still down. No, we didn't go there till two
thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Oh wow, Yeah, you produce that long?

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Oh wow, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Yeah, they just well that's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
True because he wasn't he didn't stay very much, did
stay very long?

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I followed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Okay, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
So all that stuff, I mean, I give you some
good radio background on all this. So the first thing
I did, they had somebody came to us and go, hey,
Weeze can give away a pair of tickets to every
concert this summer at both I think it was Darien
Lake and Cemac. So you guys should have a contest.

(01:00:57):
So I put together a context, but I put together
a contests and this is where we tolerated it, but
I got I learned quickly. Not his style, right, This
wasn't it. So I was doing this would be my
version of sitting in a bowl full of lucky charms
on Saint Patrick's Day. I got a bunch of people

(01:01:17):
and then they had to have contests and things, and
there were different challenges, right, different challenges because I think
Survivor was on then, right, yes, so yeah, I think
we were doing like a Survivor challenge, and I think
people got voted off or they had to do whatever
some of the One of the things I remember was
like I'm downstairs and on the ice rink and we're
having tricycle races with everybody in their underwear, okay, okay,

(01:01:45):
And then somebody had to walk with like a lime
green bikini or something around town. And then there was
I'm vaguely remember this, but there was a contest where
a girl we put like a condom over us these
toes and she had to suck gussy's toes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
And we're in the studio and it's this girl and
she's in like her bron panties and she's down on
her knees sucking and Tommy's going, this is so hot.
But I learned quickly like that wasn't but it worked.
The girl I don't remember, she wasn't unattractive. No, I mean,
you know because some of the you know, yeah, I

(01:02:27):
just and that was. That was it. But then it
was like the Montreal Comedy Fest was some of the
funniest for me and Tommy like that. We had just
such a great time. Yeah, and he and I became
very very close.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
And that's why your show did well when We's went,
you know, over across the street. Well, I it's because
your entire.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yes, we had a good we had a good rapport
and then we uh, but we were enemy number one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You know, yeah, oh yeah, we were sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I think I think Weeds even said at the end, Brod,
I have no no animasity to anybody, including Tommy Mulay.
When he retired, he said that I think Tommy that
I talked and Tommy go, I heard he said this,
and I go, I don't know how I always thought that.
I always thought that they still because Tommy would take
little potshots at We's like he would if he were
sitting across from him. But we just took it very

(01:03:17):
personally and there was all kinds of like problems.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
And if you're not made fun of by Tommy, you're
not anybody. Yeah, well, I don't if he doesn't like you.
If you if you liked he doesn't like, He's not
gonna say anything he likes. She's gonna draw on you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
But the Montreal Comedy Fest was fantastic. I remember being
up there and just having a like Rich Voss and uh,
Colin Quinn and Lisa Lampadelli all sitting around at table
with Howard Lapits his buddy and Howard. Howard was so
drunk and up from the night before. He would just point.
Anytime Tommy said something funny, he would just point a smile.

(01:03:53):
He was just so Haveard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
It was like the greatest agent.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Uh he was not. He was We'z's good by and
he I think in the beginning might have advised him
on stuff. But he became an agent.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
The man show. Yeah. He was Jimmy Kimmel's original manager,
I think, more than an agent, but yeah, yeah, and
he managed him, Carson Dally, I think Corolla. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
So all those guys that made it and made it
big in the well, they were all in l.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
A yeah, so they you know, they were there and
he I don't know. Jimmy Kimmel, a creative guy, you know,
did this thing. Just two three other quick things. Our
buddy Stan Maine comes back, yep, okay, and I'm producing
the show and he's now programming the radio station. They

(01:04:44):
tried to get me to program it. I wouldn't do it.
So then they bring stand back and Stan was just
here and he talked about they gave him stupid money.
They met every demand he wanted. So he came back
and but Stan had Stan, very handsome guy, had horrible
breath so bad. We all started talking about it, but
none of us had the balls to say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Wait, well, we'sn' then the bus to say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
So the breath is so fucking bad. Mark, It was
like he would be talking to you. And I used
to say, it was so fun to watch somebody talk
to Stan, Like there was a studio and we had
our own studio, and there was a glass that looked
in and I would always go, hey, hey, hey, watch this.
They're gonna get hit with Stan's breath, And all of
a sudden you'd see the person like they got a

(01:05:32):
hot poker to the eye. They kind of jerked back
cause it was shocking, like you're like, what is this?
Stan is is well put together guy, And the breath
was just fucking nasty. It'll be so mad. I fie
listens to this. So we kept debating, like what do
we say? What do we do? Stan comes in once
and I had my own little corner and he leans

(01:05:54):
over to talk in my microphone and Weesu's talking to
stan and I'm sitting there and so the breath is bad.
It hits me and I slide mark out of the
chair like just like I'm sitting here, but I just
slide out of the chair, out out out, and I'm
now laying on the ground and wheeze. And Tommy cannot

(01:06:15):
breathe because they know what I'm doing and they aren't
able to say anything. And Stanley's getting pissed off because
he doesn't know why everybody's laughing and they're kidding to it.
And I'm just laying there because I knew that it
was just it was maybe two inside for radio, but
it was so funny. And then Harry Legg, who is
this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Uh, when your old career gives you lemon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
That's Harry leg Harry had laughed and was down like
he had been to New York in LA and does
movie trailers and the voice of a lot of radio stations.
And he came back and we're like, you got it.
So we recruited him to tell Stan how bad is
heath to us? And we did it on the air
and he did it. He told him wow, and then

(01:06:59):
Stan came in you pussy's That was one. We had
an eight hundred number at the time too, for the
Wei show to call because I think for a brief
period he was doing mid Days after Stern on a
station in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Okay, yes, it was just someone that went that went away,
that went away when he got sick though, right, yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
So there were eight hundred callers and we would get
so that this guy uh was calling for a parts
and he was. He became a regular caller, Harry from Carrie.
It was from Carrie, North Carolina. He ran up and
he would always see Basyco when he would hang up
and stuff. And he had his own unique quirkiness and
so we he would call up every once in a

(01:07:47):
while we would have full conversations. He loved the show
so much so that Tommy busted his ass and put
together a roast for Weez's sixtieth birthday, and Harry from
Carry Not only he came and he stayed with Tommy.
Tommy was divorced at the time and had a big
house of Webster and that was just so funny. But
the sixtieth roast was fantastic that I had so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I couldn't get in when I was left out. Why member,
it was tough member only. I forgot the reason. And
I don't even think Billy the Tori went either. Yeah,
I don't think either of us were there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
I did a Yeah, I did a set, and Tommy
just set.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I think they brought in because they were worried about
it to have dom Irera close, and it was so
Dorian was going to be last and then dom and
I don't I think dom Irera hilarious human being one
of the greatest comics ever. Yeah, I had a hard
time following Dorian because she just brought the room down.
I mean, she told stories that were so personal and stuff.

(01:08:49):
It was really funny, really really funny. Oh that's fun Yeah,
it was really really great. But that was just some memory.
And the reason I'm doing this was we'z didn't get
a proper sendoff. Fuck no, and that's the problem. And
nothing against it, and I hope anything could be taken
and manipulated and twisted a little bit. But Dave Kane,

(01:09:11):
who did Middays and would get sometimes very very upset,
and it took me years to realize why, because We's
would run over into his time slot. Dave didn't I
don't think Dave gave a shit about that. What Dave
didn't want was being left with thirty minutes of commercials before.
I mean, because there were all these commercials and Wee'z's

(01:09:32):
show was so successful that everybody wanted to advertise in it,
and they generated a tremendous amount of money for the
radio stakes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
One time he was at one time those commercials when
I sold yeah, unbelievably. Yeah, it was crazy. So Dave
would get very upset.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
But Dave when he retired, Dave got a key to
the city from the mayor for his forty years on
the radio. Dave then, after this big fortieth celebration, retires
and they have a big send off for him, and
they put that station WCMF into the Rochester Music Hall

(01:10:12):
of Fame, and Dave did the induction, right and so
all of that like for Dave Kane and nothing, I
mean great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Well, Dave Kane's and we'll say this. I know you're
trying to say he's the Rochester staple.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yes, but he played music. He played music. Brother, we's
brought a uniqueness. He's in the National Radio Hall of Fame.
The guy had Wei's Cares for Children charity and helped
other charities and did a lot of really good for
the city. Not that Dave didn't, That's not my point,
but he was deserving of a sem.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
More than that, like like, oh I'm on for three
hours and oh I'm retiring, and by it was like
you know, I mean that was like, pisses me the
fuck off. But these are the same people, the fucking
the the same management the fucked you as far as
I'm concerned, because I know the story fucked you over.

(01:11:06):
Uh this is the same management, right Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, well well that that I know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
It's different.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Now mine is different.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I'm trying what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
I wasn't a local level decision.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Oh okay, this is a local level decision.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Uh, none of these are going to be local level decisions.
But I think this was a local level decision. I'll
get into the radio nuts and bolts. You know, we
played I want something else. I needed to mention. During
the time I produced Weeds the show is when the
Michael Jackson trial was going on and we would get
these bits. It was Michael Jackson and his lawyer, and

(01:11:43):
I think his lawyer was was gargos Imber.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I remember that there was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Somebody else who go, right, you DoD all these things,
and then Michael Jackson would cry. Okay, So sometimes and
there was Lump, the guy Lumpy rich Rich would run
the board and stuff. So Doreen would call up and
this is like even after the cancer, Weez's back, you

(01:12:09):
doing well? Uh? And they would got into some huge
fight and she would call up and she'd be crying
on the air, and Tommy would be fucking howling, laughing,
and we just go, bro, you see what I gotta
do with that? Right? It's all this is on the radio.
It's all. That's what I'm saying. It's like it's a
reality show and I put together a game. Is it

(01:12:31):
the Michael Jackson bit crying? Or is it, Dorian crying.
We put the two they sounded so similar, right and
they and here's the other thing that I had been
to mention too. So Weez goes through the cancer, Dorean.
I mean that woman saved his life. Oh, literally saved

(01:12:52):
his life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
There couldn't have been a perfect soul me for Weezy,
yes for her.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
So she saved his life and did great things. And
he would always go, Booby, when we're done, we're gonna
have such a party for you, blah blah blah blah blah,
and then tell me and I would look at it's
not having it. And then he recovers, he gets better
and uh, she's called up and they got in some
fight and Tommy goes, yeah, honey, it's not gonna happen.

(01:13:19):
He said he was gonna throw you a big party
after the catch. It never happened. Well, why you gotta
this is like it was so fucking funny. And the
unfortunate part for a guy like Weeze is that, well
I'll get into that in the radio thing. I don't
say unfortunate, but super talented guy and I think a unique, unique,

(01:13:44):
right talented and unique, but I think needed to have
his people that he trusted, right, and there were some
that he really did. And when when he left CMF
and went over, he tried to recreate what he had,
but it was with people who didn't know him. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, because when he for that show after leaving, after
leaving CMF one that show, that show, to me, he
was fine, he was great. It never worked and there
was no even as money didn't know him. Even as
much as I love Jamie lysso funny guy, great guy,
twenty guy, everything, you know, I interned with him, he did,

(01:14:24):
he didn't know. There was no there was no chemistry,
they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Know each other and there was no way to pull
that off. And so those were the things. And then
I think he had uh I know PAULI, uh, Googliamo
who did it and has googli Amo sauce and uh.
But there was a lot of i'm gonna call it contranation, consternation,
There a lot of infighting, backbiting stuff anger. But he

(01:14:53):
did a nice job. He toughed it out. He did
a nice job with that show. But I think there
was a really tough time because we I was so
used to the original crew and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
I think that's why he brought Billy to Tory back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yes, because he needed some of the balance to right
the ship. And I and I will say this, I
think that Weez was advised that the show won't exist
without him, and if that's the end, then everybody would
end up being fired and available to come over. I
really think that that was the thing. I don't know that.

(01:15:27):
I don't know that. I tell you this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
That's why, that's what they figured. I think that that's
what they were counting on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I don't know. I'm always saying that. And here's why
I say it. Weez did call me briefly, like uh
like shortly before. I remember I was cross country skiing
in Mendon Ponds Park. I get a thinking, Hey, Bob,
I'm going to Fox. At the time, it was called
The Fox U blah blah blah. I'm like, all right, well, hey,
congratulations whatever. And then I remember being in my bathroom

(01:15:57):
getting a call from him and he's like, Brah, come
produce my show. And I go, Wheez, you can't go
on the air right away. He had to sit out
for eight months because he they did non competes really
don't hold up. But if you can prove that somebody's
going to financially damage you. They will put they will

(01:16:18):
hold up, and they could prove that that. You know,
Weez was a tsunami of a personality. Right would take
a lot of money. So he had to sit for
eight months. And I'm like, weeez, what am I gonna
do for eight months? I have a kid who has
severe food allergies. At the time, things are expensive. I
got I gotta work. He's like, come hang Kenny from

(01:16:38):
Quality Homes to Late Kenny, such a sweet guy. And
he goes go hang siding for Kenny. And I go,
I'm not going to hang fucking siding Weez. I'm He goes,
all right, bruh. He goes if they don't have you,
they don't have a show over there. And I'm like,
and I feel there was a part of me that
felt bad, but I'm like, I can't. I gotta I
gotta put my family first. Here's the thing. I was

(01:17:00):
getting paid. Now I'm gonna not get paid and say
to my wife, well, we'll just hang out for eight months.
It's gonna be fine. I don't know. I don't know
what they would have paid me over there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
You don't know what happens. If all of a sudden,
you can't come. All of a sudden, something happens and
you oh, yeah, yeah, you know, there's no guarantee.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
There isn't so but I always I will tell you
I felt bad because I really did enjoy my time
with him, and then that sort of made me an
enemy to him. And there were things because he takes well,
there were things that were said, and so then I
would fire back on the microphone, but I didn't hear it,
so I'm getting it secondhand, and it was it was stupid,

(01:17:37):
it was bad. We'll take a minute, and then when
we come back, I will get into why ninety five
to one is now rock ninety five to one?

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Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
The Friday Songs, Yeah, the other Friday song?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Yeah? They what was it? Original? Aim? What?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
What did Dave Kean used to play?

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
That was? That was Shanny? Yeah? Is that what it is? Yeah? Lived,
but this is wee. They used to hand out the
copies of the lyrics so people can say, yes, yes,
Sally there. Uh oh Sally, I forgot about I forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I just say I forgot about Sally too. I like
Sally co.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Joff Mellencamp. Daughter's dealing with some cancer or something. Teddy
Oh really yeah, I don't know. I don't know much
about that, but yeah I saw that. Uh so, what's
your wheeze Barry Manilow story? Because you're a fan. I
went to see Barry Manilow. I love the jingle section
he would do in his concert.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
It's huge, huge. I just actually saw him for my
birthday last year. He went to Vegas. Well, I was
producing b I was I was producing Best Show and
I was doing and I was still working on this show.
So I was doing really yeah, yep seven and midnight Yeah.
And then I go and I I was young, I
was my twenties. He can do ship like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Actually, you know what I used to do to be
quite honest. I'd go over to Woodies and I would
just go freaking drink there and then go to Weezy's show,
do that, go home, sleep and then do Best Show.
So I mean he berry Man was playing cemac and
I Want, We Want. I wanted to do a bit
where I was going to stay on the I wanted
to do that bit where I was going to stay
on the roof and we were on Waitton Road until

(01:22:31):
Barry Manilow would call in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
You were going to stay on the roof? Yes? So
who was he calling into bath.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Nor We's in Bath Made, He's in Bath Made made
a bat and Sky Van Dusen had a friend who
did voices Macro Whenerry, who was actually my sister in
law's cousin. He calls in and as very man and

(01:23:00):
like it's more morning. This is like it's seven o'clock
in the morning. So he used that I just woke
up voice and during it, Weeze is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Going, Bro, this is terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
You guys are killing me. He's like ruining the fucking bed.
Of course, because he's so authentic with stuff, he's ruining.
He's ruining the bed. So we got out the phone
and he looks at me and he has his eyesn't
like he's going to fucking kill me, right, doesn't Beth
Colin and go, oh my god, the soldier did it.

(01:23:32):
She he got Barry Manila on this show and that's
making a huge deal. She thinks it's very Manili. So
she saved her ass. She saved my ass. Oh god,
she's going I can't believe it. I wish that those
are those those tapes are all gone.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
But we don't know because we's I've talked to Weez
and he said that, uh, Jake has a bunch of
his son has a bunch of of the tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Oh okay, yeah, but Weez's reaction again, this is where
we're going about how great organic that show is is
that his reaction made it even funnier than when Beth
called in and thought it really was Barry Manilow. So
it was like just Weez's reaction and you can see
it right now. I know you can picture him right now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Oh yeah, this is rude in my show, bro. But
he used to I think there was like big head Todd. Yeah,
it turned out to be a complete bit. It was
just a listener, but Weez bought it, or or Drummel
or somebody was like a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Yeah, but he whoever was pulling it was a listener
and you couldn't if you didn't tell we'z it was
a bit. Yeah, would work the fact that we told
because this we were we were doing this. We were
doing this to mess with Beth. Yeah, we were doing
so Weez was in on the so we was totally

(01:25:01):
in on the ball, all right. We's wasn't on the
baks all right, all right. But his whole reaction, though,
it was great. I can't believe, oh man, you guys
are killing me in my show and we're like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Oh god. It was some of the most fun and
unique because it was so real and you didn't know
what was coming.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Best I mean, come on, Bill, we were in there.
I'm a local grease kid, Rochester kid, and I got
to be on that. I got to be on the
number one show in my twenties. I spent my twenties
on the number one show Life. I mean that was
the best time in my life. You know, I would
never give anything like that up. I mean it kind
of did a path to where you know, they kind

(01:25:43):
of did a path for me. I mean sure, I
think I got in the I worked a time warner
for you know, in with our news in the sports
channel for eighteen years. So if it wasn't for the
wise name, I would have never gotten that job. I
mean I applied and that was on my resume, and
they're like, oh, let's bring them in, let's try him out.
But what else was I going to tell you? I

(01:26:03):
was just need to say something else too, Oh go ahead,
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Going to get into what people have called me and said,
what happened? Why are they doing this right? What was
what was the deal? And I'm going to give you
the story as I know it, but you can ask
me any questions along the way. Okay, So when this

(01:26:28):
is I think all of this, all of this including
the not proper send off for Brother We's that we
can agree kind of a miss for the station in
the company is all, in my opinion, due to one thing,
and that is the state of radio today. And that's it.

(01:26:50):
And I'll explain why that is. When they make these
kind of changes for radio, right, and they're going to
flip the format. The only reason you leave a format
is because the format isn't working. You're not. Radio is
about two things. It's ratings and revenue, right, So if
you're not getting the ratings, you're probably not getting the revenue.

(01:27:12):
Sometimes in personality radio you can have marginal ratings but
great revenue because people are buying the brand of the
of the personality the wize right. And I think what
was happening was Weeze knew he was coming to the
end of his career. He is, I believe, seventy eight

(01:27:34):
years old, yes, right, so and nothing wrong, unbelievable career.
I don't please, don't. I worry that people will turn
this into something disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
And it's not disrespectful, it's it's totally Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
So from what I understand, Brother Weez had signed a
contract for one more year. I think that. I think
he wouldn't have been there. If other things had stayed
in play at the radio station, I think he would
have retired maybe a little bit sooner. Yeah yeah, they

(01:28:11):
just hit me. Yeah yeah, And you can ask anything
and I'll see how I can answer it. So he
So I think they knew that this was coming to
an end December thirty first of this year, I believe, right.
I think I'm not part of these things. So again,
so I think the rest of the station, the ratings

(01:28:35):
were not good anymore. For Talk, it just wasn't doing well.
Someone told me it was the thirteenth station in the market.
I don't know what demo they were looking at, but
that's what I was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
And there's a bunch of different demos in the right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
But I mean, if you're thirteenth in the they do
have a demo that's twelve plus. That isn't good. You
want to at least, you know what I'm saying, You
want to be somewhere. But anyway, so the ratings weren't good,
and so therefore the revenue isn't good. So now the
company has to say what do we do? And it's
not locally owned, it is an iHeartRadio station. It is

(01:29:10):
an enormous company with many, many, many layers. Any kind
of change that they're gonna do is signed off on
by many different guys at many different levels. It's an
enormous company. So what they do is, hey, we want
to make a change. Okay, what are we gonna do.
We're gonna go to music because a it's cheaper, right,

(01:29:31):
and I understand when people go, I mean Stan Main
sat here, he programmed radio stations. He's like, man, YouTube
music does an unbelievable job. He goes, I get the
oh wow factor, I get all of it. It's programmed.
So well, yeah, he goes, I don't know why anybody
would listen to radio now, but there are people who do.

(01:29:51):
They're just there are There are people.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Out there there to do but not many anymore. When
you can go to a podcast, and you can listen
to a podcast exactly what stand scene.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
It's like, you know, well he was saying music wise,
he's saying like music right. So now they decide that
they're going to do this. Now, when did they decide
they were going to do this. They decided they were
going to do this probably four to six months ago,
because there's so many layers of this right, and then

(01:30:23):
I guarantee you I will absolutely, I will put money
on the fact that they did what's called a music
test to find out where can we fit rock. Don't
forget you've got a somewhat of an alternative rock station
and you've got a classic rock station already here. You're
looking for a lane that it's going to be somewhat unique.

(01:30:44):
So they do what's called a music test. Maybe somebody
listening to the podcast was part of it. I don't
know how they do it anymore. It used to be
that they would call out and say, hey, can you
take be part of a music survey for a radio station,
and then they would say, if this song were played,
and they would just play the hook, would you listen
or would you push the button? And then that's how

(01:31:06):
they decided what they were playing. This is going back
a ways, but that'll explain to you kind of what
a music test is. So in order for that to
be done, it takes time. So these guys knew they
were making this move a long time ago, I'll say
spring May. They knew they were doing this. They also
knew who they were keeping and who they were not

(01:31:28):
keeping because some people have remained and some people have
remained because one of the big things in radio today
as a personality is endorsements. What money is tied to
you as a personality.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Right, makes sense? So far Kee've gone the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Goal the goal for this if your a personality. And
I don't think they've ever talked about it like ever.
I don't. I think if you ask any personality who
was in the building with brother We's they never talk
about this. But the guys in when I went in
to interview in LA and when I was doing some

(01:32:08):
national stuff on those meetings, they would go, if you're
at the local level doing stuff, you want to make
sure you're bringing in three times your salary to remain relevant.
It's basically kind of keep yourself right in there. So

(01:32:29):
obviously people weren't just bringing in the money. And I
said this the other day. Business is a cold thing.
Business has no emotion.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
We do.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
We have an attachment to these people. We like them,
we like their stories, we like listening to them, but
not as much anymore. The ratings weren't as good. They
just weren't there. And the big guy in town who
ushered in this format, and I used to say, you know,
you wouldn't have an all talk station if it wasn't

(01:32:59):
for brother Weez, who made the morning show work. Yes,
you know. And then they put in Kimberly and Beck
in the afternoon and they ended up blowing themselves up.
But and then they were playing music in between, and
they came to John and I go, how about you
guys going there and do a talk show. And we
did and we got it to number one, right, that
was the number one talk That was the number one
show in the middle of the day with adults twenty

(01:33:20):
five to fifty four, and so you know it was
working then it wasn't. And that's why this change has happened.
And it has nothing to do now. Why not Why
no announcement of Weez's retirement. I can't get into the
head of that stuff. But what I can tell you

(01:33:41):
is that corporate radio, and I always say radio I
do believe is still viable. I think it's more viable
on what I would say, the format that they called
this spoken word, but this talk. If you did it
at the local level, if you had people talking about
like the Wei Show, I think the WI Show as
the old we Show, would survive even today on radio,

(01:34:04):
because you're talking about local things that local people are
affected by directly, right right, and impacted by directly, whether
it be news or whatever. So I think that corporations
have gotten so big, and I think maybe even in
your own job, people can think of this. You're doing
more than one thing now, right. So they have a

(01:34:28):
guy in charge at the radio station who oversees the market,
and he oversees all the way down the through eight
to Sussex, New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Now is that our old butt?

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Yeah, you know, you know what I think ends.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
But he's in charge of like Poughkeepsie, Albany, Syracuse, Rochester. Okay,
that's a lot, right, And then he's got people under
him who oversee those markets directly. Then there's on the
programming side, right, there's a programming guy who's not familiar
with Weez, who's more of a music person and is
nothing wrong with that, who was overseeing all the operations

(01:35:05):
of Syracuse and Rochester. Okay. My point is there's nobody
there and that's left that really knows brother We's other
than Doreen really really well and has the capability you
need someone who can put all that together right, you

(01:35:26):
know We's wee'z is great, but he's like, rah, yeah,
I just take care of me, right, know what I mean.
We's when he sold, didn't even write up his own
sales things. I think he paid somebody to fill out
his sales report, you know what I'm saying, Like, okay,
so that he's not gonna do it, and Doreen's got
a ton of shit she's doing just with family and
kids and grandkids, and okay, so you need somebody here

(01:35:49):
to organize it. And they don't have anybody there that
that a knows the show well enough and b has
the skills to do it. That's why it didn't happen,
I'm telling you right now, Like, because if you actually
had a meeting somewhere and you want to talk about
I'm gonna say, if ratings are down, revenues down, so
they're not pulling in the money to be a viable

(01:36:12):
talk station all the time. And we know that the
big viable personality is leaving. And I'm not saying Weeze
wasn't making money, but he's leaving at the end of
the year his contract ended. That's so they're kind of
forward thinking, like, let's get out ahead of this, and
I believe that they were gonna wind Weeze down. And
I thought, because I would, I get told some things

(01:36:37):
that he was asked to do his old style music
show on Saturdays and Sundays, right, And I think that
they from talking to Weeze, they wanted it to make
it sound like it was his idea to bring on
the music. I think there were a lot of fights
on that day. I have heard there were a lot

(01:36:59):
of fights, a lot of arguments, to the point where
things got so escalated. People were getting scared for real,
like cops, cops, cops call.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
So let me ask you a question, who would you
bring in two? Like if you were keeping mees on,
who would you bring in that they could they would
know the show better name.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
But now, now hang on a second, because you need
somebody who can handle what is entailed in that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
So somebody likes Stan. So somebody likes Stan mein correct.
Stan wouldn't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
He's not the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
No, he's not the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
No, you know who the guy is. You're looking at him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
I agree. I didn't want to say. I didn't want
to say it sounds like, no, it's not I absolutely
could have, and I did.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
I used to do year and reviews with we's with
these the top five callers of the year, and I
would put all their calls together. I would be up
to like two in the morning working on these things.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
And they don't they didn't have the balls to bring
to bring you in.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Well, they couldn't bring me in because I they I
haven't really talked about this, and I don't know. Weeze
even said to me, Bra, why didn't you ever tell
your story about And I'm like, because I, uh was embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
You can tell it now.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Yeah. No, I was extremely embarrassed and humiliated, frustrated. It
up ended my world. Sure, yeah, it up ended my world.
I I don't even like to say it because it
kind of opens up a door too. I always say,

(01:38:46):
you got to look for patterns in a person's life,
right right, And I was. They they were looking to
what were they going to do after Weeze and they
wanted They had pulled John and I in and they
said we want it'll be you guys taken over for

(01:39:08):
wee'z right right wind down. And I think that made
sense to people. So what the management thought was people weren't.
Weez's audience wasn't familiar with me, and I didn't necessarily
agree with that, but that's what's their thinking. So they
wanted me to be part of Weez's show so that
way it would go away. So when we talk about

(01:39:30):
people being really stretched and doing more than one job
and overseeing more than one market, like sales managers are
meeting with people who are not in Rochester, they're count
you know, having meetings with people in Albany via zoom
or whatever or whatever they use. And people are doing
so much more because it's the corporate world. So when

(01:39:54):
I did the WHAM Morning News, I did the talk
show with John and then I would do all the
classes rock stations right around the country. I do, okay,
so that was kind of my day. Then they said
to me, we want you to record the business reports,
go in and produce brother We's' show, then to go
do the show with John and the national stuff. So

(01:40:14):
that that's what I was doing when I left. But
I think that I was a threat to some people
in there and things got ugly, and I don't know,
I don't know what to say. I know you, well,
here's why I don't want to say, because.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
I can, I say it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
There was a person in there it didn't like you,
and you were accused of doing something that you didn't do.
And then there was a little asshole that that hung
out on the show that backed her up on what
she was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
I was accused of grabbing somebody's rearanded a party, Yes,
and I but but it was so all right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
I guess now I got it, might as well, I
gotta tell you. But but here's the thing that people
have always asked me what happened? And that's not my
place to tell them. I said you, I said you,
you know us.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
I decided to take the high road and not and
not talk about it because I thought it would I
was embarrassed and it became a like he said, she
said situation. So what had happened was I was on
Wes's show. A story came up about girls getting into

(01:41:43):
a fight on a soccer field, and but the person
who had the story was not sharing the story with everybody,
and they were not in the studio. They were remote
as well as Weez was remote, and they were talking
to Doreen about the story. And but I had no
idea of it. I didn't know anything about it. So

(01:42:05):
it comes up and I'm searching for it because I
can hear them in what's called Q during commercials talking,
so we're not looped in, so we're being kind of
isolated from the story. But fine, I got this early
in the morning. It's fine. I'm not gonna I'm not
looking to make anybody's day miserable and just not so
I'm searching for it. And we says to me at

(01:42:27):
one point, Brah, what did you think of that? And
I go, girls fighting, that's gonna hunt just to be stupid, right,
and I just to make an edgy kind of thing
that would sort of jump out at you, And but
it was. It was high school girls. It was just weird.
But what was interesting about this was there was a
male reraf standing there who did nothing in this video
and I so we we it gets kind of talked

(01:42:53):
about and passed over. And the only reason is no
one's had time to look at this. No one knew
that somebody wanted to this up on the show. This
person didn't share that information. So it's not like these
are some of the things like you gotta look at
the tape and go, oh my god, that guy's not
doing anything. But we didn't have time. I didn't have
time to do that during the show. We're on the air, right,

(01:43:15):
So John and I would leave at like ten, we
would get a break before our show that began. I
don't even know was it eleven eleven to two. I
don't even remember. I really don't, but so we get that.
So now when we come on, I went and looked
at it and I'm like, oh my god. I go, yeah,
I remember my dad being a teacher and saying how

(01:43:36):
he would break up fights among girls because he was
in the city of Poughkeepsie, and he would always use
his forearm, never his hand, because he never wanted to
be accused. So I said, I understand why this ref
It was a female coach that came out and was
separating the girls, and I go, yeah, you don't want
to be accused of inappropriately touching somebody during this. So

(01:43:58):
we so I bring it up with John and we're
talking about it and talking about how hard that is
and what is the right thing and blah blah, And
the person who had this story originally sends me a
textgo and this is bullshit. I bring it up in
the morning and you guys say nothing, and now you're
doing a whole set on it. So I thought the
smart thing to do was to call the person, go

(01:44:20):
I'm so sorry, because I was also being accused of
holding material back, and I had these conversations at nauseum
with Weez and Doreen that I was holding material back
from the WI show to save it for Detulio Moran,
and I really I wasn't. It was just that some days,
stories developed further by ten o'clock in the morning than

(01:44:42):
they were when we started the show at six. Do
you understand What's I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
It's just just the like.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
And so we were sort of in that midday section
and I would try to call and go that's not
the case, that's not the case, and I was in
like this ambiguous zone. So I decided to call the
person instead of text back, and that was my mistake,
and I said the No. I called them on my
phone during a commercial break. I called it the person,
I said, and right away they're like, I can't believe this,

(01:45:09):
and I said, we're not doing that, and the volume
goes up. So now I raise my volume and the
next thing I know, I'm being accused of yelling at
the person, and I'm being accused of this, and management
is now involved, and I'm saying, I'm not going back
on the Wii show. This is crazy until this is settled.
And the person said that I touched them at a

(01:45:30):
party a year and a half prior, so wow, And
I said, so I'm like no, So now there's an investigation,
So hang.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
On, Like I said, don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
I'm going to tell you. I'm not using the name,
but you can figure out who it is. And all
I'm telling you is the facts from my perspective. She's
got another side to this, and so I and I
never wanted to wade into this in any form because
I would be like, but, well, look at my pattern.
I've never, I've never. It's not who I am, it's

(01:46:07):
not that's not me. That's not me. So what happened
was they were doing an investigation and they come to
me and they go it looks like they can't find anything.
No one's agreeing that they saw this, blah blah blah
blah blah. Well apparently there was one more discussion and
it was said that this person was penetrated. That was

(01:46:29):
the term that was used. And I only know that
because I have friends high up in the company who
talked to the people in HR and as they said,
if you would think if that had happened, there would
be quite the outrage, and that didn't. So then they
talked to one other person. They called me and said
you're fired. And it wasn't a local decision, it was

(01:46:49):
it was the CEO of the company. It got to
him and I know that, and so at that time,
I'm like, oh my god, right, what am I going
to do? And and I'm scrambling, and so I meet
with lawyers and I find out it's going to cost
me x amount of dollars to do this, and it
was all like, you know, we're talking fifty thousand plus

(01:47:12):
and they want to hire all kinds of private investigators
for me to go and talk to people and all
this I'm like, oy. So I leave and I leave
the lawyer's office and I and they're saying, can we
talk to one person because this one person just meet
the person for coffee? And I call that person and

(01:47:35):
this was like a Friday, and they and they said, yep,
and it's set up that this person is going to
meet these lawyers for coffee on Monday, and I get
a call or a text Monday morning. I'm uncomfortable talking
to the lawyers, and I think that somebody from somebody

(01:47:56):
at iHeart got to the person and goes, you can't
you know? And so I thought, oh my god, I'm
going to lose every fucking friend I ever had because
I'm gonna have private investigators and all this shit. I'm
going to lose everything. I've been accused of something absolutely
heinous in my opinion. Never I didn't do it. I

(01:48:17):
will stand that one person. No, but I will stand
by the fact. I will stand by the fact that
I didn't do it right. Did something happen to that person?
I don't know. I just say I didn't do it. Okay,
Well I I lost right, And so at that moment
I withdrew the I said to these guys, I'm not

(01:48:38):
going through with the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I mean, you could have and it could have been
drawn out for what a year? Right, who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
You know? Who knows? I mean? And they were telling
me like all this stuff. And I met with a
friend of mine who's a lawyer, and he goes, no
one ever wins these somebody just text me, oh, Kevin
drove past someone on the throughway. Who that hit a bear? What?
I guess? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
He is he still drunk?

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
Uh? So I so all that unfolded, and I decided
I'll start the podcast. But I never wanted to say
what it was because it's so horrible to me, Like,
I think that's just fucking awful. You understand I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Like I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Yeah, and it and it really really affected me in many, many,
many many ways. And then for what I was told
is well that the person said my intention was never
to get them fired. Well okay, but but I don't know.
So and and I was like going in my head,
I'm like we had been places I sat next to
this person. There was never an uncomfortable moment. I don't

(01:49:48):
know what happened. I don't I don't know what happened.
And so you know, uh, people are like, oh, you
gotta be happy now, No, I'm not. I'm not happy.
Voices are the important part of radio. You're taking local
voices away. I never did anything after this. I didn't
go revenge. I didn't talk shit. I'm still not talking shit.

(01:50:10):
What I just said is not shit talking is that's
just what happened, right, And I'm but yeah, that's fine,
But I'm not. I'm not sure. I've never done it.
And people go, well, why take the high road, because
because what's the alternative? So I can be bitter and
angry over something that I couldn't control, know what you
can control in life and what you can't, and and

(01:50:30):
move on. And that's what I did as best as
I can.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
And it's worked out.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
I think it's worked out. But I mean, it hasn't
been the easiest path and the easiest road, and nothing is.
And I go, but I'm not. And I gotta tell you,
I'm not even angry. I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
I am I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
I just know that it pisses me the fuck off.
I just think that this whole thing would be different.
But I've decided to just go a different path. I mean,
you know, you and I reconnect, Danny and I reconnect,
I meet Rob Rice, I'm now in a a master's program.
That's like life unfolded beautifully.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
But you didn't sit in the corner. You didn't feel
sorry for yourself. You went and went out and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Just well, I decided to just just go do something
because to me, again, there was no win in being angry.
There was no win in being bitter. There was no
win and hating people. And you know, you also realize
everybody has lives because people will go, well, do you
still talk to John? And I'll go I'll never have

(01:51:29):
a problem with John. No, I get it. I know
exactly who John is, and I know exactly who I am.
And I have said in the beginning, some people are
risk adverse and some people aren't. I'm not risk adverse.
John is risk adverse and he didn't want to rock
the boat in a certain way, and I didn't and
that's fine. And here's the thing. I think it's an

(01:51:50):
overused term, but I respect that. I understand that, but
I didn't do this thing. But I also just knew
sometimes you got to know when you're lost. You got
to know any lost. And I will tell you. I'm
gonna say this, and this is a fact that when
I was there, the station's ratings were good, and I

(01:52:11):
was bringing in the most amount of money as an endorser.
I was bringing in more than Brother Weez, more than
John Detulio, and more than Bob Lonsbury. I was That's
a fact. You can look at the numbers. Somebody could
show you the numbers, but that and so I thought
this was arm was never gonna leave, right, And then
this happens, and I will just say, like, you know,

(01:52:33):
in that time, it's been two years. I think it's
almost two years exactly since they reformatted the show or
the station, right, I mean, move personal personalities around it
and started new shows. It didn't work, because if it did,
it would still be that's a business decision. Business decisions
are cold, and that's that's the fact. As for the

(01:52:56):
Wiz thing was I think he was so pissed off
the way everything was handled. And go back to the
fact that I said, these decisions are made four to
six months ago. Research is done, all these things behind
the scenes, but no one on the air has ever
told you're left in the dark. That's not fair to

(01:53:18):
them either. And so I think, and I do believe
brother Weeds, which is why I wanted to talk about
him and stuff deserves a bigger sendoff. He can't come
on this podcast because he's being paid through the end
of the year, right, that's his contract, it was his deal.
But he has decided that he's not going back, and
it's like, because of the way everything went down, He's like,

(01:53:42):
fuck it, because it was gonna be music And I
don't even know what they what they're Oh, I do
know there was him to do music on the weekends
and you know, and made it look like it was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Sort of his idea. And again that pissses me off.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
And what they should have done is at least taken
the last quarter of the year, brought in all the
yes they could have brought in and play all the
old people come back and even have a Tommy reunion
with him for a few minutes of intercom would allow
it and whatever, right, and just let things move forward
in a really really positive way and send Weeze off

(01:54:17):
the way he should have been sent off, not just
not all, because he was so such a part of
the fabric of this town and the fabric of people's
lives truly, I.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Mean, I mean, and you're right. I mean, you think
of Rochester, you think of Garbage Blades, you think of
Jenny Light, and you think of Brother Weiz, you know,
And that's the way. That's the way it's always been.
I mean, Brother We's has been on the air since
I was since I was real young. I listened to
that show my whole There was no other show I
never I ever listened to. I mean, when you're a teenager,
you're not you know, you're supposed to be listening to

(01:54:46):
p x Y, you know, and I didn't. I listened.
I listened to Wise, you know, in in you learn
a lot. And like we were saying earlier, you learn
so much when you when you're with some when you're
with somebody like that, and you don't even sometimes real
that another thing built it really always I never say,
right with me, he's the only personality to beat Howard Stern. Yeah, well,

(01:55:09):
so what Howard Stern would do when he'd go to
a market and beat the person, he'd have it, he'd
have a funeral. Yeah, why didn't they do that? Why
didn't they make a bigger deal that wee'z knocked Howard
Stern out of Rochester?

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
I mean Howard Stern contacted weize.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
You know, and apologize, but he well he went on.
I think it made it to one of like PM
magazine or I don't remember, there were some magazine. They
used to do those shows, right, tabloid type shows and
they and they showed Weize saying I have panic attacks
and I get nervous. And then they were doing a

(01:55:50):
Wize versus Stern, and how mean Howard was being deuise.
This was on a national tabloid show, but.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Howard, But Howard did that to everybody Howard.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
Howard took that and started going panic attacks, panic sang,
and he called him brother Louise and did all this shit.
And Weez had interacted with Stern prior because one time
before Stern was syndicated, Sam Kennison was in the studio
and goes, I want to call Howard, and so they
called Howard. And if you ever heard this stage, it's
how Howard Chalen and we shut up. Don't talk on

(01:56:22):
my air. Shut up. Only Sam can talk. No nobody
else talks on my air. Howard was very protecting. I
will say this, people go Howard Stern changed, No, he didn't.
Howard Stern is a radio businessman. He was not the
rock and roll rebel you thought he was. He just
talked about shit nobody else would talk about. Well, he
had small penis, big tits whatever. He and it was

(01:56:45):
entertaining and he was funny, and it was a funny show.
And it was different.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
And that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:56:49):
And he was really the I guess you could say,
the godfather of this kind of talk radio. I would
say I miss and stuff, but in this town it
was certainly Weiz, and Howard couldn't when he came into
this town. People loved Weez. That was the difference. They
loved him. Howard made some in road I think there
was one book where on.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
One book he beat him by like a point point Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
But okay, uh, but you're right he didn't. And and
then their station signal wasn't great either, and all this stuff,
and Weez was stood it, I mean lasted and and that's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Something Mark Desildier was created, by the way, Yes, yes,
because you would go and fight those Yeah, you know,
I was all about I was out about you know.
I just didn't like how they brought Howard Stern. And
I don't heat Howard Stern. I actually like I did
the time, but actually, well I'll actually watch your listeners there,
and he's a green interviewer.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
Great interviewer, great interviewer. And then but people now are
going like, well, Howard was like he was in bed
by eight o'clock every night. Yeah, he was extremely disciplined.
Weez was not right and that was the beauty of
brother Weez. Yes, he would be up all night, he
would be out partying, drinking with his buddies. He was
living a full life. And Howard just was more of

(01:58:01):
a businessman. He really was. And that I don't think
that's ever been really really examined. I don't know. We
said a lot here, we did. I hope it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
It does make sense. I think it makes sense. I
think it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
And I'm very nervous as to what well on the
full next, But well there's nothing that I mean, if.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
You're nervous, you can, you know you can. You don't
have to play the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
So oh no, I would play the whole thing. Okay, Yeah,
don't you think.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
I think so. I don't think you say anything wrong, now.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
I don't. I'm not saying anything wrong. I'm just saying
what happened led to it? And and uh, and I
think now when you look at it, if I if
I saw the lineup for the station, they're trying to
protect people. Do who did have big endorsement money? Right? Right?
So so John has big endorsement money, yes, behind him? Uh?
And so they gave him a talk show on the

(01:58:50):
sports station, and he'll do afternoons and they can keep
that revenue there, right, and and they put him.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Back where he started. Yeah, you know, I mean he's
it just it's just what he gets.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
He gets to do what he loves and what he's great,
he's good at. And then other people who just they
didn't have a place for are no longer there, and
other people are forced into places and maybe they don't
want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
I know one, he's my good friend. I love this guy, Dino.
Do you know hates country?

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
Oh what's he doing?

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
I heard he's in the country seation.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Oh man, he used to drill on me about liking country,
and I know his wife loves country, so he may
knows probably knows all the music.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
Maybe that'll be a saving, you know. I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Guy's a fucking hell of a salesman. I mean he
did why I brought him over. He pretty much sells
I mean anything anything. People love the guy. He's a staple.
But yeah, I heard he's going to the country station.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
Well, I look, I hope he is. I like a
lot of those people there, I like all of them.
I do, and I don't care. It's not my world.
You know, it doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect me,
and I just I feel bad for them because those
kind of changes are difficult to navigate, especially when you

(02:00:12):
have no control. And the only advice I can give
you when you have no control is focus on what
you can control. You can control how you act in
the hallways. You can control who you're bitching to and
who you're not bitching to because there will be a
lot of bitching. Be careful who you're doing that test UH.
And you can control uh finding another job if you

(02:00:33):
want to, or you know, making decisions that are going
to be right for you. You have control of all that.
What you don't have control of right now is what
they did with the radio station. There are no feelings
in business. You can't control that, so it don't focus
on it. This change has been made, is there positive?

(02:00:53):
Try to find the good aspects of where you are.
Focus on those, and if you want to exit, find
your exit. You know I'm saying, and I don't mean
that in a negative way. I just I'm saying that's
the only way you can do it, because otherwise you
will be in a bitter spiral, and you'll take that
ship home to your family or to the people you
care about, and you're going to be a piece of
shit to them because why because why when you die,

(02:01:17):
when it's all over, when Yeah, but you understand what
I'm saying. And I only know that because I've lived it.
I lived it. What am I gonna do? Am I
gonna go be a fucking dickhead?

Speaker 5 (02:01:29):
Fuck you?

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
I live that way. I was miserable during that time
when I did that. It doesn't work, and it doesn't
help you when it doesn't make paths forward. Find your
path forward. You can, you can, it'll just be a
harder mess to go that way. Stay your course. And
if you and if you're a guy like Dino and
you're a talented sales guy and a talented on air,

(02:01:52):
there's probably something somewhere if you don't like where you are.
That's all I'm saying. I'm not. I hope everything I'm
saying is it's neutral as it can be, because I
think so people.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
You know, but people will say things and they'll make it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
One more thing I want to add before you, I know,
we gotta get off. Football starts soon.

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
I'm always asked because I worked at p x Y too,
and I'm always asked, Oh, you must have when when
you went to p x Y, I must have been
great working with with Spizzano over Weeze. And I'm gonna
tell you something.

Speaker 3 (02:02:25):
I love.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Scott's a friend of mine before this gets out, Scott was.
I actually found it easier to work with Weez than
I did Scott. Scott's a perfectionist and he and things
need to go his his way at all times, and
that's why he's been that's why he's been on the
radio for forty years. But Wize was kind of like easier,
you know, you could kind of like reason with him

(02:02:47):
at times and stuff like that. But that was always
That's always been my That's always been my answer is
because I actually thought, I mean, I worked with these
for six years. I stayed at p x Y for
a summer.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
So you know, one more we song to wrap it up. Yeah,
this is one. Remember I remember Eddie from New York.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
Would come in and say, yeah, Eddie Cano would come in.
Oh God, Billy would sing ye Billy could sing.

Speaker 3 (02:03:17):
Yes, I know I saw Billy at was it We's
wedding he got up and saying yes, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
He played he was just isn't a band. Well he
helped the band out, but he go on and do
a couple of songs. I just think, great, to my opinion,
it's done. Yeah, it's done. You know, we're kind of
putting it to rest. You know, it's a good thing
that we all get to. We all are already gether,

(02:03:44):
you know, kind of keeping keeping it going.

Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
But I don't know. I want to say thanks Wise,
you know, yes, yes, thank you, thank you. Yeah, thank
you for being welcoming let me be part of your show.
I'm sure you feel the same way as.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
You're taking a guy that had no had no radio
experience and put him on your show.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
And you know, thanks for When I would put together
bits I was doing afternoons, I'd be home with my son,
who's now going to turn twenty five. Jesus, I'd be
home with him before I took him in to daycare
because I was going to do afternoons, and I would
hear things on the WE Show and I would create
a bit about it. I wouldn't use my own voice,
I get somebody else. But when when Lucky Nahum made

(02:04:25):
a Christmas Sea Day, he came up to play it
and I put together Crepital Records Present, and I mean
and all you heard was we All I did was.

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
Cut up sections of the show.

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
Weez came up to me at a party and just
gave me a big hug and kiss and goes Bro.
That was the best. And he was always so kind
to me prior and acknowledged, well.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
You were kind of his protege.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
You were is that the right word? Or he was mine?

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
He's your person?

Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
Oh no, I was his protege. Yeah, I guess. I
think he just was always kind to me and welcoming.
And even even when I produced show, goes Bro, it
was so mad at you, and then I realized that's
what you were doing, Bro, And I would always say, yeah,
it's okay, we're all good. We're all good. Uh so, yeah,
thank you waves, Yeah, yeah, there you go. Folks. That's it,

(02:05:14):
And I would love to hear what other people have
to say. You can always leave messages and don't be
a dickhead. Five five two o six eighty eight sixty six.
You can email Bill Moran at Bill Moran Productions dot com,
yeah or B Moran Productions dot Yeah, that's it, that's it,
all right, all right, see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
Yeah, we'll be here tomorrow.

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