October 15, 2025 • 18 mins
How Should Christian Families Handle LGBTQ Issues? | Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel
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He offers hope through the transformative power of the Word of God, urging Christians to replace destructive thoughts with divine truth. His inspiring message reminds us that no stronghold is greater than the Lord’s power to heal and renew.
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Join Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel as he shares the life-changing teachings of Jesus Christ, guiding you to a deeper understanding of God's boundless LOVE and grace. Strengthen your faith through powerful biblical insights and spiritual wisdom.
He offers hope through the transformative power of the Word of God, urging Christians to replace destructive thoughts with divine truth. His inspiring message reminds us that no stronghold is greater than the Lord’s power to heal and renew.
💬 How does this message resonate with you? Share your thoughts below.
🙏 Like, share, and follow to spread this transformative message.
May God Bless You All! Amen! 💖
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If a Christian family had a gay son or a
lesbian daughter and they insist of being homosexual, what should
they do in this case?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And in some cases they.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Act this way because of hormonal imbalance, which makes it
out of their control. What you think of the whole situation,
especially in Middle Eastern countries where people being judgmental and
hateful against homosexual person. Well, it's a very important question
(00:32):
and it's a very sensitive question at the same time.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But this question has been a talk of recent times.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
In our times, the twenty first century, we could see
a lot of cases as such coming on board and
surfacing up, especially in countries where there is a freedom
of choice and the freedom of speech, religion and expression
of all kind of ideologies. They come out and say
this is me, this is my identity, and whether you
(01:02):
like it or not, I have to be accepted. And
in a lot of countries, especially in the Western world,
they have passed it as a law where people can
marry from same sex. I know here in Australia, it
has been passed in Canada, a lot of countries in Europe, America,
and a lot of states in America. So this is
(01:24):
something very common happening in our time and age. So
what we do when there is a gay person in
this Christian family, especially if it's a Middle Eastern family.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'll have to be.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Very careful on how to approach this question because it's
a very sensitive area and I don't want.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To sound being judgmental at all. That is not my intention.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I want to make this point extremely clear to everyone
who is listening to us.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
God is the only judge.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm not here to judge, but I'm here to express
Christian world view. As Christians, what does the Holy Bible
teach us about this kind of a living or kind
of a life style? Number One, As a Christian believing
in the Holy Scriptures, the Holy Bible, the true living
(02:22):
Word of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, if anyone
comes and claims that they were born this way, so
this homosexuality or this particular identity was given to them
by birth, then biblically speaking, as a Christian believer, this
(02:44):
is impossible because God will never give you such a
thing through birth.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It is impossible because this.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Kind of a lifestyle is against the Almighty God. So
to receive this through birth, that is biblically speaking, definitely
a big non what causes people to end up having
this kind of identity Even in the medical field, even
though I'm not an expert in that field, but even
(03:14):
in the medical field till this very day, they cannot
pinpoint exactly what is the reason or reasons for somebody
to come and say I'm gay or I'm a lesbian.
Until now, Medically speaking, there is no one proven fact to.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Say this is it because.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's a very vast and complex area and there are
so many components that influence the human being from the
day of conception in their mother's womb till the day
they are mature and choosing this kind of a lifestyle.
There could be as you mentioned, hormonal imbalance in them,
(03:55):
or it could also be an influence within that family.
I believe a broken family could cause the child to
veer and choose a particular path and a lifestyle. An example,
if that family misses the father figure and there is
(04:17):
only the dominant party in there, or that dominant figure
which is.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
The mother, it can influence that.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Son to be acting like a female because the only
person that he was influenced by all those.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Years of being raised was mum.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So the father figure, the male figure was missing, So
a broken family could have some sort of an influence
on our identity. I believe it is more of a
condition than rather of a hereditary or birth reception. It
(04:59):
cannot It must be some sort of a condition, and
it could be a combination of things that could bring
this person into this kind of belief and acceptance of lifetime.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Now, as a.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Christian, God is very clear about what he has created.
When we're reading the Book of Genesis, the Lord God
created Adam and Eve, male and female, and out of
the male and the female said come together, and I
want you to increase and multiply and fill the face
(05:39):
of the earth. Naturally speaking, before going into religious aspects
the Christian faith, naturally speaking, humanly speaking, we all know
that we came from a male and a female. Two
males cannot produce two females cannot produce all of the
(06:00):
human race.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Regardless if you're a Christian or not.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Regardless if you are a believer or not, every single
human being came through male and female getting.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Together in the unity of or the bond of marriage.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
When a male and a female get together, they produce children.
This isn't the natural realm. So when we talk about
same sex it is unnatural in relation to the natural realm.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It is unnatural.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's quite ironic, and I must say it's also amazing
how on one hand we accept race to be sacred,
but on the other hand we desacralize marriage. On one hand,
we accept race to be sacred. A people's race is sacred.
(06:56):
You cannot damage it. You're gonna talk against it, You
are being discriminative, you are being offensive.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Race is sacred.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But on the other hand, as a Christians, when we
sail marriage should be a unity between male and female,
we are being called discriminative people, judgmental people.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And how dare you talk this way?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And sometimes people get into trouble and they end up
with a law suit case because they said, my God,
as a Christian says no to same sex marriage. So
how come marriage is being desacralized and the race being sacred?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Here my question is.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Where did this race come from? Didn't this race come
from marriage? What is the foundation of this race? Isn't
it marriage? Marriage was the first institution that God instated
on this planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And that's why this marriage he called it sacred.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
And it's the unity and the bond between male and female.
So naturally speaking, it is unnatural to be born of
a male and a male parent, or a female and
a female parents. Definitely unnatural, and every intellectual human being
knows this. It does not take a genius to figure
(08:22):
this one out. One day I was in America and
I visited this lovely, lovely family, and some of the
parents that were there or I was with, they were
concerned about this particular topic. And they said, our children,
not that they are choosing this lifestyle, but they are
(08:43):
coming to us saying, mom and dad, why are you
not accepting people as such?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You are judging.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
If you call yourself Christians, and you believe in Jesus Christ,
is in Jesus Christ all love and kindness, then we
should love one another and should never discriminate or judge
or reject.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
We should embrace everyone.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So and our kids are saying to us, and we're
not able to answer them back the following, Well, if
you are saying that this kind of a lifestyle is wrong,
meaning living.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In sin, aren't we all sinners?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So what's the difference between me going and stealing, which
is a sin, and someone living in the same sex
kind of a lifestyle. If this is sin, also stealing
is sin. Also lying is sin. So what's the difference.
All of us are sinners at the end of the day,
So how can less sinners judge another sinner like us? Well,
(09:47):
it's a valid point. So the parents said, we don't
know how to answer this. I said the following. Again,
I'm not judging. I'm just stating some biblical teachings and
as a Christian and also on the natural realm, were
saying this is unnatural. But I said the following, if
(10:08):
we're going to talk about sin, well, this kind of
a lifestyle, same sex marriage is not actually dealing with
sin at all, because of what's dealing with sin only
then we have no right to say anything because all
of us are sinners and I'm the number one. But
(10:30):
I said, it's much greater than us being sinners. This
kind of a lifestyle is actually getting to something of
profound essence given by God to every human being, and
that is your individual identity. This kind of a lifestyle
(10:52):
is abolishing your identity because when you invoke the word human,
the word human actually in the Latin language is a
compounded word.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It is two words in one.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It is humous, man, Humans means dirt.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Man means the spiritual being.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So humous man meaning humans, the physical being Man the
spiritual being, the spiritual being being placed in the physical
humans the dirt. The Lord God put the spirit in
the flesh, in the physical being. This man, spirit, this
(11:42):
humans dirt is called human being.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Now out of this humous man.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Human being came male, and female came man and women,
So man and women.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Woman is man with a womb.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
What is a woman? Woman is a man with a womb.
A man as a man is only a man without
a womb. But a woman is a man with a womb.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Why in order to be able for Adam to release
all his children out of him through the womb of
the woman, when the Lord God came to Adam and said, Adam,
it is not good for Adam to be alone. Now,
(12:42):
the word alone does not mean by himself.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It is all in one. That's what word alone means.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Loely, I am by myself alone, I'm not alone. The
lowe or Jesus said I am alone, but I'm not alone,
for my father is with me. Jesus never said I
am lonely. He said I am alone alone means we
are all in one.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I and the Father are one. So it is not good.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
The Lord God said, it is not good for Adam
to be alone. In other words, it is not good
for Adam to be all in one.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What does that mean? Because the entire human.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Race was in Adam, hidden in Adam.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Where did we all come from? Adam?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So when the Lord God created Adam, he already created
every single human being that was going to come to
the face of this earth. He already put every one
of us in Adam. So Adam was all in one.
God wanted this all to come out of this one Adam.
(14:05):
The only way God did it was by making out
of Adam another being.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He called it men with a womb women.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
So that through this wom man allows Adam to release
all his children that are all in him out of
that warm man and multiply and increase and fill the
whole phase of the earth.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So what is my identity?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I am a human being, and this human being is
spirit men put in the human's dirt being. And from
this human being came male and female. The moment I
come and say, out of two males, I'm going to
(15:00):
stablish a family, or out of two females, I'm going
to establish a family. I have abolished the very identity
of what a human being.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Is all about. It's not about sin.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
All of us are sinners, and how dare we judge
one another?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But it's about your identity.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
The moment you come out of the natural realm, then
what is your idea? What shall I call you? Psychologically speaking?
Not only spiritually, but psychologically speaking. You go and ask
any psychologist that is true to what he and she
(15:44):
or she have learned, or a psychiatrist. In that essence,
a child requires both parents. A child requires both men
and women, male and female life, because that child originally
came out of male and female. A male has certain
(16:09):
influences on the child which the female does not have,
and so the female has certain influences on that child
which the male lacks. But when you put the male
and the female in the life of that child, it
is a balanced upbringing. The moment you bring two males,
(16:33):
you have wiped away the female influence, and the moment
you bring two females as parents, you've wiped the male influence.
The child is scarred psychologically, spiritually, emotionally, mentally. No matter
what we say or not say, it is to do
(16:54):
with the identity of the human being.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's the problem.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Then we can talk about whether it's right or wrong,
or it's a sinfle lifestyle. The moment I lose my identity,
forget about talking about sin, I lose my ID, I
lose everything. And if we say as homosexual people that
(17:21):
I can't fight this, it's a challenge. I'm struggling. I
want to change, but I'm stuck in it. This is
all I know. Well, I would say, if that is
your struggle, then also as a heterosexual.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Being, we have our own struggles.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Maybe someone their struggle is drug addictions, the other one
is alcoholism, and the likes.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
All of us have our struggles.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But we must face our struggles and with the grace
of Jesus Christ, with the grace of the True Living God,
we shall be triumphant and overcome our struggles.
If a Christian family had a gay son or a
lesbian daughter and they insist of being homosexual, what should
they do in this case?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And in some cases they.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Act this way because of hormonal imbalance, which makes it
out of their control. What you think of the whole situation,
especially in Middle Eastern countries where people being judgmental and
hateful against homosexual person. Well, it's a very important question
(00:32):
and it's a very sensitive question at the same time.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But this question has been a talk of recent times.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
In our times, the twenty first century, we could see
a lot of cases as such coming on board and
surfacing up, especially in countries where there is a freedom
of choice and the freedom of speech, religion and expression
of all kind of ideologies. They come out and say
this is me, this is my identity, and whether you
(01:02):
like it or not, I have to be accepted. And
in a lot of countries, especially in the Western world,
they have passed it as a law where people can
marry from same sex. I know here in Australia, it
has been passed in Canada, a lot of countries in Europe, America,
and a lot of states in America. So this is
(01:24):
something very common happening in our time and age. So
what we do when there is a gay person in
this Christian family, especially if it's a Middle Eastern family.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'll have to be.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Very careful on how to approach this question because it's
a very sensitive area and I don't want.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To sound being judgmental at all. That is not my intention.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I want to make this point extremely clear to everyone
who is listening to us.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
God is the only judge.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm not here to judge, but I'm here to express
Christian world view. As Christians, what does the Holy Bible
teach us about this kind of a living or kind
of a life style? Number One, As a Christian believing
in the Holy Scriptures, the Holy Bible, the true living
(02:22):
Word of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, if anyone
comes and claims that they were born this way, so
this homosexuality or this particular identity was given to them
by birth, then biblically speaking, as a Christian believer, this
(02:44):
is impossible because God will never give you such a
thing through birth.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It is impossible because this.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Kind of a lifestyle is against the Almighty God. So
to receive this through birth, that is biblically speaking, definitely
a big non what causes people to end up having
this kind of identity Even in the medical field, even
though I'm not an expert in that field, but even
(03:14):
in the medical field till this very day, they cannot
pinpoint exactly what is the reason or reasons for somebody
to come and say I'm gay or I'm a lesbian.
Until now, Medically speaking, there is no one proven fact to.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Say this is it because.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's a very vast and complex area and there are
so many components that influence the human being from the
day of conception in their mother's womb till the day
they are mature and choosing this kind of a lifestyle.
There could be as you mentioned, hormonal imbalance in them,
(03:55):
or it could also be an influence within that family.
I believe a broken family could cause the child to
veer and choose a particular path and a lifestyle. An example,
if that family misses the father figure and there is
(04:17):
only the dominant party in there, or that dominant figure
which is.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
The mother, it can influence that.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Son to be acting like a female because the only
person that he was influenced by all those.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Years of being raised was mum.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So the father figure, the male figure was missing, So
a broken family could have some sort of an influence
on our identity. I believe it is more of a
condition than rather of a hereditary or birth reception. It
(04:59):
cannot It must be some sort of a condition, and
it could be a combination of things that could bring
this person into this kind of belief and acceptance of lifetime.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Now, as a.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Christian, God is very clear about what he has created.
When we're reading the Book of Genesis, the Lord God
created Adam and Eve, male and female, and out of
the male and the female said come together, and I
want you to increase and multiply and fill the face
(05:39):
of the earth. Naturally speaking, before going into religious aspects
the Christian faith, naturally speaking, humanly speaking, we all know
that we came from a male and a female. Two
males cannot produce two females cannot produce all of the
(06:00):
human race.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Regardless if you're a Christian or not.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Regardless if you are a believer or not, every single
human being came through male and female getting.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Together in the unity of or the bond of marriage.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
When a male and a female get together, they produce children.
This isn't the natural realm. So when we talk about
same sex it is unnatural in relation to the natural realm.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It is unnatural.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's quite ironic, and I must say it's also amazing
how on one hand we accept race to be sacred,
but on the other hand we desacralize marriage. On one hand,
we accept race to be sacred. A people's race is sacred.
(06:56):
You cannot damage it. You're gonna talk against it, You
are being discriminative, you are being offensive.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Race is sacred.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But on the other hand, as a Christians, when we
sail marriage should be a unity between male and female,
we are being called discriminative people, judgmental people.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And how dare you talk this way?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And sometimes people get into trouble and they end up
with a law suit case because they said, my God,
as a Christian says no to same sex marriage. So
how come marriage is being desacralized and the race being sacred?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Here my question is.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Where did this race come from? Didn't this race come
from marriage? What is the foundation of this race? Isn't
it marriage? Marriage was the first institution that God instated
on this planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And that's why this marriage he called it sacred.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
And it's the unity and the bond between male and female.
So naturally speaking, it is unnatural to be born of
a male and a male parent, or a female and
a female parents. Definitely unnatural, and every intellectual human being
knows this. It does not take a genius to figure
(08:22):
this one out. One day I was in America and
I visited this lovely, lovely family, and some of the
parents that were there or I was with, they were
concerned about this particular topic. And they said, our children,
not that they are choosing this lifestyle, but they are
(08:43):
coming to us saying, mom and dad, why are you
not accepting people as such?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You are judging.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
If you call yourself Christians, and you believe in Jesus Christ,
is in Jesus Christ all love and kindness, then we
should love one another and should never discriminate or judge
or reject.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
We should embrace everyone.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So and our kids are saying to us, and we're
not able to answer them back the following, Well, if
you are saying that this kind of a lifestyle is wrong,
meaning living.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In sin, aren't we all sinners?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So what's the difference between me going and stealing, which
is a sin, and someone living in the same sex
kind of a lifestyle. If this is sin, also stealing
is sin. Also lying is sin. So what's the difference.
All of us are sinners at the end of the day,
So how can less sinners judge another sinner like us? Well,
(09:47):
it's a valid point. So the parents said, we don't
know how to answer this. I said the following. Again,
I'm not judging. I'm just stating some biblical teachings and
as a Christian and also on the natural realm, were
saying this is unnatural. But I said the following, if
(10:08):
we're going to talk about sin, well, this kind of
a lifestyle, same sex marriage is not actually dealing with
sin at all, because of what's dealing with sin only
then we have no right to say anything because all
of us are sinners and I'm the number one. But
(10:30):
I said, it's much greater than us being sinners. This
kind of a lifestyle is actually getting to something of
profound essence given by God to every human being, and
that is your individual identity. This kind of a lifestyle
(10:52):
is abolishing your identity because when you invoke the word human,
the word human actually in the Latin language is a
compounded word.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It is two words in one.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It is humous, man, Humans means dirt.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Man means the spiritual being.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So humous man meaning humans, the physical being Man the
spiritual being, the spiritual being being placed in the physical
humans the dirt. The Lord God put the spirit in
the flesh, in the physical being. This man, spirit, this
(11:42):
humans dirt is called human being.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Now out of this humous man.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Human being came male, and female came man and women,
So man and women.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Woman is man with a womb.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
What is a woman? Woman is a man with a womb.
A man as a man is only a man without
a womb. But a woman is a man with a womb.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Why in order to be able for Adam to release
all his children out of him through the womb of
the woman, when the Lord God came to Adam and said, Adam,
it is not good for Adam to be alone. Now,
(12:42):
the word alone does not mean by himself.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It is all in one. That's what word alone means.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Loely, I am by myself alone, I'm not alone. The
lowe or Jesus said I am alone, but I'm not alone,
for my father is with me. Jesus never said I
am lonely. He said I am alone alone means we
are all in one.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I and the Father are one. So it is not good.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
The Lord God said, it is not good for Adam
to be alone. In other words, it is not good
for Adam to be all in one.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What does that mean? Because the entire human.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Race was in Adam, hidden in Adam.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Where did we all come from? Adam?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So when the Lord God created Adam, he already created
every single human being that was going to come to
the face of this earth. He already put every one
of us in Adam. So Adam was all in one.
God wanted this all to come out of this one Adam.
(14:05):
The only way God did it was by making out
of Adam another being.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He called it men with a womb women.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
So that through this wom man allows Adam to release
all his children that are all in him out of
that warm man and multiply and increase and fill the
whole phase of the earth.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So what is my identity?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I am a human being, and this human being is
spirit men put in the human's dirt being. And from
this human being came male and female. The moment I
come and say, out of two males, I'm going to
(15:00):
stablish a family, or out of two females, I'm going
to establish a family. I have abolished the very identity
of what a human being.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Is all about. It's not about sin.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
All of us are sinners, and how dare we judge
one another?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But it's about your identity.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
The moment you come out of the natural realm, then
what is your idea? What shall I call you? Psychologically speaking?
Not only spiritually, but psychologically speaking. You go and ask
any psychologist that is true to what he and she
(15:44):
or she have learned, or a psychiatrist. In that essence,
a child requires both parents. A child requires both men
and women, male and female life, because that child originally
came out of male and female. A male has certain
(16:09):
influences on the child which the female does not have,
and so the female has certain influences on that child
which the male lacks. But when you put the male
and the female in the life of that child, it
is a balanced upbringing. The moment you bring two males,
(16:33):
you have wiped away the female influence, and the moment
you bring two females as parents, you've wiped the male influence.
The child is scarred psychologically, spiritually, emotionally, mentally. No matter
what we say or not say, it is to do
(16:54):
with the identity of the human being.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's the problem.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Then we can talk about whether it's right or wrong,
or it's a sinfle lifestyle. The moment I lose my identity,
forget about talking about sin, I lose my ID, I
lose everything. And if we say as homosexual people that
(17:21):
I can't fight this, it's a challenge. I'm struggling. I
want to change, but I'm stuck in it. This is
all I know. Well, I would say, if that is
your struggle, then also as a heterosexual.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Being, we have our own struggles.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Maybe someone their struggle is drug addictions, the other one
is alcoholism, and the likes.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
All of us have our struggles.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But we must face our struggles and with the grace
of Jesus Christ, with the grace of the True Living God,
we shall be triumphant and overcome our struggles.
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