October 27, 2025 • 15 mins
Revealed: Why Jesus Is Called Both the Son of God and the Son of Man | Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel
Join Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel as he shares the life-changing teachings of Jesus Christ, guiding you to a deeper understanding of God's boundless LOVE and grace. Strengthen your faith through powerful biblical insights and spiritual wisdom.
He offers hope through the transformative power of the Word of God, urging Christians to replace destructive thoughts with divine truth. His inspiring message reminds us that no stronghold is greater than the Lord’s power to heal and renew.
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Join Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel as he shares the life-changing teachings of Jesus Christ, guiding you to a deeper understanding of God's boundless LOVE and grace. Strengthen your faith through powerful biblical insights and spiritual wisdom.
He offers hope through the transformative power of the Word of God, urging Christians to replace destructive thoughts with divine truth. His inspiring message reminds us that no stronghold is greater than the Lord’s power to heal and renew.
💬 How does this message resonate with you? Share your thoughts below.
🙏 Like, share, and follow to spread this transformative message.
May God Bless You All! Amen! 💖
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When the Holy Bible speaks of Son of God, it
means God. But when it talks about the son of
Man like us. The Son of Man had the human body,
the human soul, and the human spirit. The Son of
Man had exactly what we have, human body, human soul,
human spirit. Like us, This human being, the whole divine
(00:23):
was in him, but as a human.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
He was like us. He was like us.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The only difference between this human Jesus and all of
us humanity, is one thing. Jesus is the only human
being who was born of an earthly mother, not an
earthly father. His birth was virginal by the power of
(00:51):
the Holy Spirit. Jesus the Man is the only human
being and the entire human race who has an earthly mother.
The only he doesn't have an earthly father. All of
us are born of an earthly father and an earthly mother.
That's why Jesus is the only human that was born
without the original sin, because.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Sin lays in the seed, and the seed.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Comes from the man, not the women. All the girls
as my daughters. The seed is in the man, not
in the women. So when we are born of an
earthly father, we inherit.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
The outcome of my father's action.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm talking about Adam. So what did Adam do? He
ate from the forbidden tree. That's his problem, not mine. However,
I inherited the consequences of my father's action. What was
the consequence of Adam's breaking God's word? The I Am
was born in him? This is what I inherited from
(01:56):
my father. Adam, Me, me, me, this is the original
sin me. I inherited the I AM from my father.
And that's why we are in trouble. Because everybody wants
to do it their way. It's either my way or
you hit the highway. Brother, isn't it You talk to
(02:17):
a little kid, you can't convince no.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
No, no, because it's me my way.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But Jesus is the only one that was born of
an earthly mother, meaning since he didn't have an earthly father,
because his father is who art in heaven. Since he
didn't have an earthly father, he did not have the
human seed.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
He had the human nature. I spoke about it earlier.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So Jesus, the Son of God, when he went into
the womb of the Holy Mother, he took upon himself
the human nature, not the human seed. Because he doesn't
have an earthly father. Inheritance comes from the father, not
the mother. So he put on the human nature sinless.
He was born simless. And you're telling me he's a
(03:07):
prophet or just a normal man. Seriously, man, investigate, have
an open conscience and a clear one.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Open your heart. Don't be phonetic.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He was born without the original sin. Look to what
extent the yes and the amen and this human being.
Look to what extend when this yes and amen the
Lord Jesus while hanging on the cross. Look even on
the cross, he fulfilled so many prophecies, even on the cross.
(03:49):
In Psalm sixty nine to twenty one, it is prophesied
about the Lord Jesus. Now, the book Ofsalm is written
about a thousand years before the Messiah.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is coming a thousand years King David a thousand year.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So, and Psalm sixty nine twenty one it says, and
for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink. King
David is prophesying about the Messiah's coming. When he comes,
he will be crucified, And when while he's on the cross,
he will say, for my thirst, they gave me vinegar
to drink. Sixty nine twenty one. One thousand years before.
(04:28):
But when you go to Isaiah sixty three to three,
he says, I have trodden the wine press alone. It's
about Jesus, I have trodden the wine press alone.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
In the olden days, they.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Used to get the grape clusters and they would put
it into this pond, and they go and with their
feet crush those grapes. That's called a wine press. So
they would go and crush all those grapes with their feet,
and there's openings on the sides, and you see the
jews coming out of there, and they go and put
(05:03):
it through distillation and then turns into wine. The Lord
is saying, I have trodden the wine press alone. He's
talking about the cross, just like they crushed that grape
by foot. I was crushed on the cross because I
am the vineyard, the vineyard, the vine tree. Sorry, I
(05:24):
am the vine tree. Read John fifteen one. I wish
I had the time. I am the vine tree, and
my father is the vine dresser, and you are the branches.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I am the vine tree.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I was crushed on the cross because I am the
true grape. And from this grape I gave you my
blood and said drink it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
This wine was turned.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Into blood by the Holy Spirit that descends on the
element of wine through the priesthood rank and changes the
wine into blood. Where did this blood come the wine?
Where did the wine come from the grape?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Who is Jesus Christ, the true grave that was crushed
on the cross?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So in Isaiah sixty three to three, I have been.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Trodden on the cross alone, meaning I had to go
through the pain of the whipping, of the lashing, kicking
and punching, and then the nails going through my hands
and feet, and the crown.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Going through my skull.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
By the way, that crown was not made out of
natural thornes. It was metal thorns. Those metal pierced his skull.
They pushed it so hard it went through his skull.
It would have killed an elephant on the spot. Pieces
(06:56):
of meat of his flesh was falling off him. And
while he was carrying that cross and walking through those
small alleys of old Jerusalem, because he was shredded beyond recognition,
pieces from its blood from his body was falling with
(07:17):
those whips. So he was crushed like a grape. He
was covered with his own blood from head to toe.
I was trodden through that wine press alone. I have
(07:39):
trodden the wine press alone. So now in Psalm sixty
nine twenty one, for my thirst, they gave me vinegar
to drink. But in Isaiah sixty three to three, I
have trodden the wine press alone.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I was crushed, meaning I.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Had to suffer the pain of the cross with no anesthetic. Now,
when you give someone vinegar to drink, vinegar can be
a local anesthetic. If you drink a fabr of it,
it can make you drunk. And if you got drunk,
(08:14):
you won't feel the pain as much as you are
fully sober. But in Isaiah says I have trodden the
wine press alone, meaning I had to endure the pain
of the cross with no help of any vinegar.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But in six twenty one.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Psalm sixty nine says they gave me vinegar when.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I was thirsty.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Look at the Lord in John nineteen twenty eight, Well,
when he's on the cross, he says, I thirst. Why
did the Lord Jesus say I thirst? Because of Psalm
sixty nine twenty one, they gave me vinegar for my thirst.
He was fulfilling the prophecy of Psalm sixty nine twenty
one when he said in John nineteen twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I thirst.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
A thousand years later, the Lord is fulfilling the prophecy
of Psalm sixty nine twenty one. For my thirst, they
gave me vinegar to drink. Jesus said I thirst. Because
it's written about him, he will say I thirst.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So what did they give him? A sour wine? Vinegar?
Another translation says vinegar. They put it on a his
hip and brought it to his mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Because in the Psalm it says they gave me vinegar
to drink for my thirst. He had to fulfill because
in him is the yes and the amen.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
There is no no. So that's why.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Because they gave me very good to drink. So what happened?
They brought it to his mouth. He tasted it, not
to break the as inem you're with me or not
he put it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He tasted the vinegar.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He did not drink it, so that way he can
say to God the Father, yes, I tell you did vinegar,
but I didn't bring it because Isaiah sixty three to
three says, I have to be sober. I can't drink
the vinegar, so I need to fulfill broad prophecies. That's
why I tasted it to fulfill Sound sixty nine to
twenty one, and then I had to feel the entire
(10:17):
pain sober. I had to fulfill Isaiah sixty three to three.
That's why I remained sober throughout the process. I suffered
beyond anyone's imagination. The cross is the most painful agonizing slaw.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Death.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
One second on the cross is like eternity. The person
wants to die, but they cannot. They are dying to die,
but they cannot.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It is so slow. No one can bear the pain
of the cross. No one. Jesus did till the end
twelve noon.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He was crucified three hours later at three p am.
He died in the flesh for three hours. He suffered,
Yet that one second in those three hours is unbearable.
He carried the sins of the entire world, and he
(11:26):
paid the price for the sins of the entire world.
And he's waiting for you to come and say I
accept you Jesus as my.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Lord and savior. Then he says your sin is forgiven.
He already paid the price, but he's waiting for you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
To accept him. If you don't accept him, he won't
pay it. But he's already paid the price, but he
won't transfer the money to pay the debt. The balance
is still outstanding. You have a debt with Saint George Bank,
you have a debt with Westpac.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Say maybe the same.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I don't know, I Ain, said Commonwealth Bank. So you
want the dead to be brought to zero except Jesus Christ,
as Lord and God and savior, then he will transfer it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And pay it. Why right off?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The soldiers gave him sour wine on a hissip and
put it in his mouth. Jesus received that, and he
said it is finished. The moment he tasted it, he said,
it's finished. Father, till the end. I said yes, and amen.
I said yes to Psalm sixty nine twenty one. And
I said amen to Isaiah sixty three to three.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Even in his most difficult of all difficulties.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Time, he never said no to his dad.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Where would you find such a man? Only Jesus is
that man. Don't you want to have him in your life?
Don't you want to have him as your holy companion?
Don't you want to make him your heavenly groom. Don't
you want to make him your savior, your redeemer. Don't
you want to make him your God? Don't you want
to make him your way, your truth and the life.
Don't you want to make him the I am? Don't
(13:16):
you want to make him the alpha, the omega, as
the first and the last, beginning and the end. Don't
you want to make him everything because he is? Because
he is, He is everything, everything you need, everything you like,
My dear love, is this is the Messiah we celebrate
(13:47):
and we call it Christmas. I just want to say this,
and this will be the last one for this year
because today is the last Bible appreac for this year.
I'm gonna miss you till January coming next year. That
(14:09):
this is the way it goes, My beloved Christians, whoever
you are and wherever you are. Yes, there was a
time in history God became men. This is undeniable truth.
We cannot wipe that from the history of mankind, even
(14:33):
the senses which Augustus Caesar put forth. There is an
actual physical record to say, yes, there.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Was someone called Jesus of Nazareth born.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It is recorded document, So there is an absolute proof
that Jesus was born.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's not a mythology, it's real.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So if anybody doubts the birth of the Messiah, there
is a proven record. The census August the season till
now they stand. Jesus is born, So has this man
come one hundred percent Yes he has.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
With proven records he was born.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Well, if this man was born, we need to find
out more. We need to research more, We need to
sacrifice more. We need to go and seek and ask
more and more and more. We need to come to
know more about this person, because looks like this person
is so special, at least at the first level, he's
(15:40):
extremely special.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Everyone talks about him so highly.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No one said ever anything wrong about him. Everything he did,
he said perfect, never made a mistake,
When the Holy Bible speaks of Son of God, it
means God. But when it talks about the son of
Man like us. The Son of Man had the human body,
the human soul, and the human spirit. The Son of
Man had exactly what we have, human body, human soul,
human spirit. Like us, This human being, the whole divine
(00:23):
was in him, but as a human.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
He was like us. He was like us.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The only difference between this human Jesus and all of
us humanity, is one thing. Jesus is the only human
being who was born of an earthly mother, not an
earthly father. His birth was virginal by the power of
(00:51):
the Holy Spirit. Jesus the Man is the only human
being and the entire human race who has an earthly mother.
The only he doesn't have an earthly father. All of
us are born of an earthly father and an earthly mother.
That's why Jesus is the only human that was born
without the original sin, because.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Sin lays in the seed, and the seed.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Comes from the man, not the women. All the girls
as my daughters. The seed is in the man, not
in the women. So when we are born of an
earthly father, we inherit.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
The outcome of my father's action.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm talking about Adam. So what did Adam do? He
ate from the forbidden tree. That's his problem, not mine. However,
I inherited the consequences of my father's action. What was
the consequence of Adam's breaking God's word? The I Am
was born in him? This is what I inherited from
(01:56):
my father. Adam, Me, me, me, this is the original
sin me. I inherited the I AM from my father.
And that's why we are in trouble. Because everybody wants
to do it their way. It's either my way or
you hit the highway. Brother, isn't it You talk to
(02:17):
a little kid, you can't convince no.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
No, no, because it's me my way.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But Jesus is the only one that was born of
an earthly mother, meaning since he didn't have an earthly father,
because his father is who art in heaven. Since he
didn't have an earthly father, he did not have the
human seed.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
He had the human nature. I spoke about it earlier.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So Jesus, the Son of God, when he went into
the womb of the Holy Mother, he took upon himself
the human nature, not the human seed. Because he doesn't
have an earthly father. Inheritance comes from the father, not
the mother. So he put on the human nature sinless.
He was born simless. And you're telling me he's a
(03:07):
prophet or just a normal man. Seriously, man, investigate, have
an open conscience and a clear one.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Open your heart. Don't be phonetic.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He was born without the original sin. Look to what
extent the yes and the amen and this human being.
Look to what extend when this yes and amen the
Lord Jesus while hanging on the cross. Look even on
the cross, he fulfilled so many prophecies, even on the cross.
(03:49):
In Psalm sixty nine to twenty one, it is prophesied
about the Lord Jesus. Now, the book Ofsalm is written
about a thousand years before the Messiah.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is coming a thousand years King David a thousand year.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So, and Psalm sixty nine twenty one it says, and
for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink. King
David is prophesying about the Messiah's coming. When he comes,
he will be crucified, And when while he's on the cross,
he will say, for my thirst, they gave me vinegar
to drink. Sixty nine twenty one. One thousand years before.
(04:28):
But when you go to Isaiah sixty three to three,
he says, I have trodden the wine press alone. It's
about Jesus, I have trodden the wine press alone.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
In the olden days, they.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Used to get the grape clusters and they would put
it into this pond, and they go and with their
feet crush those grapes. That's called a wine press. So
they would go and crush all those grapes with their feet,
and there's openings on the sides, and you see the
jews coming out of there, and they go and put
(05:03):
it through distillation and then turns into wine. The Lord
is saying, I have trodden the wine press alone. He's
talking about the cross, just like they crushed that grape
by foot. I was crushed on the cross because I
am the vineyard, the vineyard, the vine tree. Sorry, I
(05:24):
am the vine tree. Read John fifteen one. I wish
I had the time. I am the vine tree, and
my father is the vine dresser, and you are the branches.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I am the vine tree.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I was crushed on the cross because I am the
true grape. And from this grape I gave you my
blood and said drink it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
This wine was turned.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Into blood by the Holy Spirit that descends on the
element of wine through the priesthood rank and changes the
wine into blood. Where did this blood come the wine?
Where did the wine come from the grape?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Who is Jesus Christ, the true grave that was crushed
on the cross?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So in Isaiah sixty three to three, I have been.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Trodden on the cross alone, meaning I had to go
through the pain of the whipping, of the lashing, kicking
and punching, and then the nails going through my hands
and feet, and the crown.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Going through my skull.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
By the way, that crown was not made out of
natural thornes. It was metal thorns. Those metal pierced his skull.
They pushed it so hard it went through his skull.
It would have killed an elephant on the spot. Pieces
(06:56):
of meat of his flesh was falling off him. And
while he was carrying that cross and walking through those
small alleys of old Jerusalem, because he was shredded beyond recognition,
pieces from its blood from his body was falling with
(07:17):
those whips. So he was crushed like a grape. He
was covered with his own blood from head to toe.
I was trodden through that wine press alone. I have
(07:39):
trodden the wine press alone. So now in Psalm sixty
nine twenty one, for my thirst, they gave me vinegar
to drink. But in Isaiah sixty three to three, I
have trodden the wine press alone.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I was crushed, meaning I.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Had to suffer the pain of the cross with no anesthetic. Now,
when you give someone vinegar to drink, vinegar can be
a local anesthetic. If you drink a fabr of it,
it can make you drunk. And if you got drunk,
(08:14):
you won't feel the pain as much as you are
fully sober. But in Isaiah says I have trodden the
wine press alone, meaning I had to endure the pain
of the cross with no help of any vinegar.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But in six twenty one.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Psalm sixty nine says they gave me vinegar when.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I was thirsty.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Look at the Lord in John nineteen twenty eight, Well,
when he's on the cross, he says, I thirst. Why
did the Lord Jesus say I thirst? Because of Psalm
sixty nine twenty one, they gave me vinegar for my thirst.
He was fulfilling the prophecy of Psalm sixty nine twenty
one when he said in John nineteen twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I thirst.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
A thousand years later, the Lord is fulfilling the prophecy
of Psalm sixty nine twenty one. For my thirst, they
gave me vinegar to drink. Jesus said I thirst. Because
it's written about him, he will say I thirst.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So what did they give him? A sour wine? Vinegar?
Another translation says vinegar. They put it on a his
hip and brought it to his mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Because in the Psalm it says they gave me vinegar
to drink for my thirst. He had to fulfill because
in him is the yes and the amen.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
There is no no. So that's why.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Because they gave me very good to drink. So what happened?
They brought it to his mouth. He tasted it, not
to break the as inem you're with me or not
he put it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He tasted the vinegar.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He did not drink it, so that way he can
say to God the Father, yes, I tell you did vinegar,
but I didn't bring it because Isaiah sixty three to
three says, I have to be sober. I can't drink
the vinegar, so I need to fulfill broad prophecies. That's
why I tasted it to fulfill Sound sixty nine to
twenty one, and then I had to feel the entire
(10:17):
pain sober. I had to fulfill Isaiah sixty three to three.
That's why I remained sober throughout the process. I suffered
beyond anyone's imagination. The cross is the most painful agonizing slaw.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Death.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
One second on the cross is like eternity. The person
wants to die, but they cannot. They are dying to die,
but they cannot.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It is so slow. No one can bear the pain
of the cross. No one. Jesus did till the end
twelve noon.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He was crucified three hours later at three p am.
He died in the flesh for three hours. He suffered,
Yet that one second in those three hours is unbearable.
He carried the sins of the entire world, and he
(11:26):
paid the price for the sins of the entire world.
And he's waiting for you to come and say I
accept you Jesus as my.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Lord and savior. Then he says your sin is forgiven.
He already paid the price, but he's waiting for you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
To accept him. If you don't accept him, he won't
pay it. But he's already paid the price, but he
won't transfer the money to pay the debt. The balance
is still outstanding. You have a debt with Saint George Bank,
you have a debt with Westpac.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Say maybe the same.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I don't know, I Ain, said Commonwealth Bank. So you
want the dead to be brought to zero except Jesus Christ,
as Lord and God and savior, then he will transfer it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And pay it. Why right off?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The soldiers gave him sour wine on a hissip and
put it in his mouth. Jesus received that, and he
said it is finished. The moment he tasted it, he said,
it's finished. Father, till the end. I said yes, and amen.
I said yes to Psalm sixty nine twenty one. And
I said amen to Isaiah sixty three to three.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Even in his most difficult of all difficulties.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Time, he never said no to his dad.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Where would you find such a man? Only Jesus is
that man. Don't you want to have him in your life?
Don't you want to have him as your holy companion?
Don't you want to make him your heavenly groom. Don't
you want to make him your savior, your redeemer. Don't
you want to make him your God? Don't you want
to make him your way, your truth and the life.
Don't you want to make him the I am? Don't
(13:16):
you want to make him the alpha, the omega, as
the first and the last, beginning and the end. Don't
you want to make him everything because he is? Because
he is, He is everything, everything you need, everything you like,
My dear love, is this is the Messiah we celebrate
(13:47):
and we call it Christmas. I just want to say this,
and this will be the last one for this year
because today is the last Bible appreac for this year.
I'm gonna miss you till January coming next year. That
(14:09):
this is the way it goes, My beloved Christians, whoever
you are and wherever you are. Yes, there was a
time in history God became men. This is undeniable truth.
We cannot wipe that from the history of mankind, even
(14:33):
the senses which Augustus Caesar put forth. There is an
actual physical record to say, yes, there.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Was someone called Jesus of Nazareth born.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It is recorded document, So there is an absolute proof
that Jesus was born.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's not a mythology, it's real.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So if anybody doubts the birth of the Messiah, there
is a proven record. The census August the season till
now they stand. Jesus is born, So has this man
come one hundred percent Yes he has.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
With proven records he was born.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Well, if this man was born, we need to find
out more. We need to research more, We need to
sacrifice more. We need to go and seek and ask
more and more and more. We need to come to
know more about this person, because looks like this person
is so special, at least at the first level, he's
(15:40):
extremely special.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Everyone talks about him so highly.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No one said ever anything wrong about him. Everything he did,
he said perfect, never made a mistake,
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