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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And it is very difficult to deal with people who
are frustrated. To lead people who are frustrated, it's quite difficult.
And Moses became exasperated with him. They were exasperated with him.
He was exasperated with them, and he cries out to God,
what am I to deal with these people? These people
(00:20):
are getting on my ners. Often he and God would
argue whose people they were. The Lord told him they're
your people, Moses, and no, that not, they're your people.
He had the kind of conversation and ability to interact
with God that perhaps somebody else would have got killed
(00:40):
for him. But Moses was a leader. He was a leader.
Title or not, he was a leader. There is a
distinction between titles and leadership. There's nothing worse than calling
somebody by a title and them not be the leader
(01:03):
that matches up with the title. Now, to be sure,
to be a leader is a difficult thing because the
expectations rest on you, and the expectations rest on you,
whether it was your fault or not. They expect you
(01:23):
to fix things that are unfixable, change things that are
beyond your grass. Moses is wrestling with the problem that
he did not create, and he could not create and
he could not fix, but they charged him as if
it was his fault. So you cannot be sensitive and
(01:49):
be a leader. You have to be tough enough to
understand that you don't respond to every accusation and allegation
because so sometimes the question has more to do with
the questioner than it does you. You're the one that's frustrated,
(02:09):
You're the one that's at the end of your role,
and they're complaining about being thirsty. And I thought to myself,
if there was no water, then wasn't Moses thirsty to
But we often forget that our leaders are also one
(02:30):
of us, and we expect them to be superhuman, as
if they have no need. But in reality, if there
was no water to drink, then Moses's mouthless dry too.
And often the challenge with being a leader is that
(02:51):
you are exempted and opted out of the opportunity to
be human. Moses is one of my heroes, not because
he was a perfect leader, but he was a powerful leader.
He was a relentless leader. He had found the thing
he was born to do, and he didn't find it
(03:13):
at first. It takes a while to find the thing
you were born to do. Most of the time, you
end up doing the things you have to do, not
really recognizing the thing you were born to do. And
then when you find the thing that you're born to do,
you have to figure out how you're going to do it,
(03:34):
because there are lots of ways to do it. Here's
the first indication of a leader. You must be willing
to be unorthodox. There's nothing worse than putting a person
into leadership who is more worried about fitting in than
they are standing out. Unorthodox really in his origin, means
(03:56):
to be out of the ordinary, not the previous accepted ideology,
not mimicking the methods of the people who are surrounding you.
All of our great leaders throughout history were always unorthodox
rule breakers. If you expect to be written about, you
(04:18):
got to be willing to break some rules, if you're
more concerned about fitting in than just be the status quo.
But nobody writes about people who followed the status quote.
When Martin Luther topped the ninety sixt thesis on the
door of the church, as history proclaims that he did.
(04:40):
If he did that, he was willing to be unorthodox
and was ridiculed, and was criticized and They tried to
kill him because he wouldn't act like one of them.
Martin Luther was ann Orthodox leader. Martin Luther King Junior
was an Orthodox leader. He didn't quite fit in with Malcolm.
(05:04):
He didn't quite fit in with the Panthers. He didn't
quite fit in with the generation before him. His method
of courage like the Panthers, coupled with peace like a
Christian made him an oddity. Are you willing to be odd?
(05:25):
Are you willing to be different? Nobody follows people who
follow trends. A great leader creates trends, stands out, does
things differently. Moses, in my estimation, is one of the
greatest leaders of the Old Testament. He follows out to
(05:47):
the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But he is a great,
great leader, so much that God protected him all of
his life. Not that he didn't have peril, not that
he didn't have a rough childhood, not that he wasn't
denied the right to grow up in a normal Israelite family.
All of that was taken from him. But all of
that has something to do with how God shaped him.
(06:11):
He grew up where he was a misfit. He couldn't
quite fit in as an Israelite or Hebrew, because he
was raised like an Egyptian, and he talked like an Egyptian,
and he was educated like an Egyptian, and he understood
the protocol of an Egyptian. He had never woken up
(06:32):
a day in his adult life living in a slave quarner.
And yet he has called to lead people that he's
kin to, but he's not their kind. He couldn't stay
with the people that he was their kind because he
(06:53):
wasn't their kin. And so one of the proclamities of
being a leader is to have the ability to adapt
and become comfortable with being controversial. It isn't just that
he is the pastrepreneur of the era, though he was.
(07:16):
Moses is the leader of the Old Testament Church. The
very first inkling of an understanding of the church comes
to the ecclesia the called out ones. They were called
out of slavery to establish not only the Old Testament
Church of which he is the shepherd of the sheep
leading them, he is also the head of state when
(07:41):
it comes to organizing a nation of people that were
won slaves, and they have cried out to God for
their freedom and Moses has come to deliver them from
the oppression of Pharaoh, but he was delivering people that
didn't always like him. And if you have too much
(08:06):
of a need to be liked, you can't be a
great leader because you're too much of a pleaser. I'm
just giving you some guidelines. If it becomes more important
to you to be liked than it is to lead,
you're probably not a leader. You just have a title
and you're in a tough position because something you do
(08:29):
is going to frustrate somebody no matter which decision you may.
Can I go deeper? Now, the metrics of leadership is movement.
You can't be say you're a leader if you don't
have any metrics to prove you are moving things. So
(08:52):
don't go by the title, and don't just go by
the preaching. How much difference are you making? And how
do you quantify the distance between with you and without you?
And if without you looks just like with you, then
you're not a leader, You're a placeholder. Are you hearing
(09:19):
what I'm saying? So we want to have some measurements.
What are the measurements that you measure whether you're a
leader or not. Well, this is not for me. I'm
not a leader. Everybody in this room is a leader
in one way or another. They have a degree of
leadership responsibility. Because leadership, at its core means influence. And
(09:43):
if you have any influence, if it's just over your children,
if it's just over your sister, if it's just over
your mama, if it's just over yourself, you have the
responsibility to adapt to as much as possible to an
understanding of seeing yourself as a leader. If not, you
have to sit and wait on somebody to follow. Are
(10:07):
you hearing what I'm saying. Leadership is what the bubble calls,
what the Bible calls favor. Yeah, because if leadership is influence,
influence is favor. It's not a title, it's not a stage.
It's not visibility. It may increase your affluence, but more
(10:31):
stage time doesn't equate to influence. There's a difference between
affluence and influence. The stage gives you affluence, but it
doesn't necessarily mean you have influence. Sometimes the people who
are not on the stage have more influence than the
people who stand on the stage, and often hire the
(10:53):
people on the stage. And yet we have a tendency
to desire the light, so we rather be in the
light that owned the building. We would rather be in
the light than own the building, because whoever owns the
building doesn't get seen. But they had the influence to
(11:13):
make the decision about who stands on the stage. Are
you hearing what I'm saying? The actor game's affluence can't
go anywhere, can't go into the grocery store, people taking
pictures of them everywhere, but the studio has influence. Are
you hearing what I'm saying? There are many many singers
(11:36):
that became very very famous and died very very broke,
and they had affluence, and they had fan clubs, and
they had fan page and they had to deal with tabloids,
but they ended up with little of nothing to show
for what they had. And they had very little to
show for what they had because they had. Affluence does
(11:56):
not equate to influence. We are not trained to look
for influence. We are trained to look for affluence, so
we prosper in areas that give us affluence. We want
to be preachers, We want to be football players. We
want to be basketball stars. We want to be hip
hop artists. We want stage. We don't want to own
(12:17):
the label. We don't want to own the company. We
don't want to own the studio. We don't want to own.
So what we have modeled in front of us is
affluence at a time that the world is looking for
somebody with influence. Affluence shines on the stage, influence shines
(12:45):
in the boardroom. Are you hearing what I'm saying to you?
And I feel like God is getting ready to shift
some of you into places of influence and your influence
is getting ready to increase. And you have been disappointed
with life because you never got affluence. But the Lord
(13:08):
told me to tell you I didn't give you affluence
because I'm getting ready to give you. Oh, I'm talking
to somebody. So when I'm talking to leaders, I'm talking
to you. You don't even know it yet because the
world has not recognized you as a leader. They've recognized
you to a degree as a person with talent, but
(13:29):
they don't see you as a leader. And it's because
you're getting affluence, but you haven't gotten influence. And influence
is getting ready to break forth in your life like
you've never seen it before. As soon as you let
go of your addiction to affluence, nothing worth hiring somebody
(13:50):
into an influential position and all they want is affluence.
Nothing worse than having a pastor who is a leader
and all he wants to do is preach. Pastoring is
much bigger than preaching. It is leading. It is looking
at the metrics and seeing how much distance have you covered?
(14:12):
And it's not just quantity, it's quality. It's not always
about having a bigger church. It's about having a better church.
We have fallen in love with bigger and not better.
But the metrics that we might be measured by might
not be numerical metrics. It might be the depth to
(14:34):
which you have influenced the lives of the people that
hurt you. But you don't want that because you don't
get credit for being a great pastor. You get credit
for having a big church. And America in particularly is
in love with affluence. We stand for hours to take
(14:57):
pictures of people on the red carpet who have affluence,
and the people who sign the contract for the people
that are on the rear carpet walk right past you,
and you pay them no attention. Because we do not
glorify leadership. We glorify light. But the reason I thought
(15:21):
that was important. Normally I would just teach something like
this at a leadership conference. And I do have some
things that I'm going to teach that. But I'm gonna
give you a little precursor to day in case you
don't make it, or in case you do come, you'll
come with your head on straight. The Bible said in
Luke twoin fifty two, and Jesus increased in wisdom and
(15:42):
stature and favor with God and man. Favor with man
is influence. Favor with God is influence. To have favor
with God means I can speak up and say things
to God and things will change. And what is powerful
(16:02):
about Luke two fifty two is that Jesus increased. If
Jesus increased, that means that I can increase. I can
start out with no influence and end up with all
kinds of influence. My influence can increase. And one of
the ways to know that your influence is increasing is
(16:24):
by the level of your attack. Some people have not
earned the right to be severely attacked or greatly attacked
because they don't have great enough influence. When the enemy
sees that you're about to get greater influence, he sends
on greater demons to attack your life, to assassinate the
(16:48):
destiny that is over your life. Allelujah. The devil doesn't
know it, but he's warning you of what is about
to come by the level of attack that precedes the
next move that's coming in your life. Who am I
talking to today,
And it is very difficult to deal with people who
are frustrated. To lead people who are frustrated, it's quite difficult.
And Moses became exasperated with him. They were exasperated with him.
He was exasperated with them, and he cries out to God,
what am I to deal with these people? These people
(00:20):
are getting on my ners. Often he and God would
argue whose people they were. The Lord told him they're
your people, Moses, and no, that not, they're your people.
He had the kind of conversation and ability to interact
with God that perhaps somebody else would have got killed
(00:40):
for him. But Moses was a leader. He was a leader.
Title or not, he was a leader. There is a
distinction between titles and leadership. There's nothing worse than calling
somebody by a title and them not be the leader
(01:03):
that matches up with the title. Now, to be sure,
to be a leader is a difficult thing because the
expectations rest on you, and the expectations rest on you,
whether it was your fault or not. They expect you
(01:23):
to fix things that are unfixable, change things that are
beyond your grass. Moses is wrestling with the problem that
he did not create, and he could not create and
he could not fix, but they charged him as if
it was his fault. So you cannot be sensitive and
(01:49):
be a leader. You have to be tough enough to
understand that you don't respond to every accusation and allegation
because so sometimes the question has more to do with
the questioner than it does you. You're the one that's frustrated,
(02:09):
You're the one that's at the end of your role,
and they're complaining about being thirsty. And I thought to myself,
if there was no water, then wasn't Moses thirsty to
But we often forget that our leaders are also one
(02:30):
of us, and we expect them to be superhuman, as
if they have no need. But in reality, if there
was no water to drink, then Moses's mouthless dry too.
And often the challenge with being a leader is that
(02:51):
you are exempted and opted out of the opportunity to
be human. Moses is one of my heroes, not because
he was a perfect leader, but he was a powerful leader.
He was a relentless leader. He had found the thing
he was born to do, and he didn't find it
(03:13):
at first. It takes a while to find the thing
you were born to do. Most of the time, you
end up doing the things you have to do, not
really recognizing the thing you were born to do. And
then when you find the thing that you're born to do,
you have to figure out how you're going to do it,
(03:34):
because there are lots of ways to do it. Here's
the first indication of a leader. You must be willing
to be unorthodox. There's nothing worse than putting a person
into leadership who is more worried about fitting in than
they are standing out. Unorthodox really in his origin, means
(03:56):
to be out of the ordinary, not the previous accepted ideology,
not mimicking the methods of the people who are surrounding you.
All of our great leaders throughout history were always unorthodox
rule breakers. If you expect to be written about, you
(04:18):
got to be willing to break some rules, if you're
more concerned about fitting in than just be the status quo.
But nobody writes about people who followed the status quote.
When Martin Luther topped the ninety sixt thesis on the
door of the church, as history proclaims that he did.
(04:40):
If he did that, he was willing to be unorthodox
and was ridiculed, and was criticized and They tried to
kill him because he wouldn't act like one of them.
Martin Luther was ann Orthodox leader. Martin Luther King Junior
was an Orthodox leader. He didn't quite fit in with Malcolm.
(05:04):
He didn't quite fit in with the Panthers. He didn't
quite fit in with the generation before him. His method
of courage like the Panthers, coupled with peace like a
Christian made him an oddity. Are you willing to be odd?
(05:25):
Are you willing to be different? Nobody follows people who
follow trends. A great leader creates trends, stands out, does
things differently. Moses, in my estimation, is one of the
greatest leaders of the Old Testament. He follows out to
(05:47):
the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But he is a great,
great leader, so much that God protected him all of
his life. Not that he didn't have peril, not that
he didn't have a rough childhood, not that he wasn't
denied the right to grow up in a normal Israelite family.
All of that was taken from him. But all of
that has something to do with how God shaped him.
(06:11):
He grew up where he was a misfit. He couldn't
quite fit in as an Israelite or Hebrew, because he
was raised like an Egyptian, and he talked like an Egyptian,
and he was educated like an Egyptian, and he understood
the protocol of an Egyptian. He had never woken up
(06:32):
a day in his adult life living in a slave quarner.
And yet he has called to lead people that he's
kin to, but he's not their kind. He couldn't stay
with the people that he was their kind because he
(06:53):
wasn't their kin. And so one of the proclamities of
being a leader is to have the ability to adapt
and become comfortable with being controversial. It isn't just that
he is the pastrepreneur of the era, though he was.
(07:16):
Moses is the leader of the Old Testament Church. The
very first inkling of an understanding of the church comes
to the ecclesia the called out ones. They were called
out of slavery to establish not only the Old Testament
Church of which he is the shepherd of the sheep
leading them, he is also the head of state when
(07:41):
it comes to organizing a nation of people that were
won slaves, and they have cried out to God for
their freedom and Moses has come to deliver them from
the oppression of Pharaoh, but he was delivering people that
didn't always like him. And if you have too much
(08:06):
of a need to be liked, you can't be a
great leader because you're too much of a pleaser. I'm
just giving you some guidelines. If it becomes more important
to you to be liked than it is to lead,
you're probably not a leader. You just have a title
and you're in a tough position because something you do
(08:29):
is going to frustrate somebody no matter which decision you may.
Can I go deeper? Now, the metrics of leadership is movement.
You can't be say you're a leader if you don't
have any metrics to prove you are moving things. So
(08:52):
don't go by the title, and don't just go by
the preaching. How much difference are you making? And how
do you quantify the distance between with you and without you?
And if without you looks just like with you, then
you're not a leader, You're a placeholder. Are you hearing
(09:19):
what I'm saying? So we want to have some measurements.
What are the measurements that you measure whether you're a
leader or not. Well, this is not for me. I'm
not a leader. Everybody in this room is a leader
in one way or another. They have a degree of
leadership responsibility. Because leadership, at its core means influence. And
(09:43):
if you have any influence, if it's just over your children,
if it's just over your sister, if it's just over
your mama, if it's just over yourself, you have the
responsibility to adapt to as much as possible to an
understanding of seeing yourself as a leader. If not, you
have to sit and wait on somebody to follow. Are
(10:07):
you hearing what I'm saying. Leadership is what the bubble calls,
what the Bible calls favor. Yeah, because if leadership is influence,
influence is favor. It's not a title, it's not a stage.
It's not visibility. It may increase your affluence, but more
(10:31):
stage time doesn't equate to influence. There's a difference between
affluence and influence. The stage gives you affluence, but it
doesn't necessarily mean you have influence. Sometimes the people who
are not on the stage have more influence than the
people who stand on the stage, and often hire the
(10:53):
people on the stage. And yet we have a tendency
to desire the light, so we rather be in the
light that owned the building. We would rather be in
the light than own the building, because whoever owns the
building doesn't get seen. But they had the influence to
(11:13):
make the decision about who stands on the stage. Are
you hearing what I'm saying? The actor game's affluence can't
go anywhere, can't go into the grocery store, people taking
pictures of them everywhere, but the studio has influence. Are
you hearing what I'm saying? There are many many singers
(11:36):
that became very very famous and died very very broke,
and they had affluence, and they had fan clubs, and
they had fan page and they had to deal with tabloids,
but they ended up with little of nothing to show
for what they had. And they had very little to
show for what they had because they had. Affluence does
(11:56):
not equate to influence. We are not trained to look
for influence. We are trained to look for affluence, so
we prosper in areas that give us affluence. We want
to be preachers, We want to be football players. We
want to be basketball stars. We want to be hip
hop artists. We want stage. We don't want to own
(12:17):
the label. We don't want to own the company. We
don't want to own the studio. We don't want to own.
So what we have modeled in front of us is
affluence at a time that the world is looking for
somebody with influence. Affluence shines on the stage, influence shines
(12:45):
in the boardroom. Are you hearing what I'm saying to you?
And I feel like God is getting ready to shift
some of you into places of influence and your influence
is getting ready to increase. And you have been disappointed
with life because you never got affluence. But the Lord
(13:08):
told me to tell you I didn't give you affluence
because I'm getting ready to give you. Oh, I'm talking
to somebody. So when I'm talking to leaders, I'm talking
to you. You don't even know it yet because the
world has not recognized you as a leader. They've recognized
you to a degree as a person with talent, but
(13:29):
they don't see you as a leader. And it's because
you're getting affluence, but you haven't gotten influence. And influence
is getting ready to break forth in your life like
you've never seen it before. As soon as you let
go of your addiction to affluence, nothing worth hiring somebody
(13:50):
into an influential position and all they want is affluence.
Nothing worse than having a pastor who is a leader
and all he wants to do is preach. Pastoring is
much bigger than preaching. It is leading. It is looking
at the metrics and seeing how much distance have you covered?
(14:12):
And it's not just quantity, it's quality. It's not always
about having a bigger church. It's about having a better church.
We have fallen in love with bigger and not better.
But the metrics that we might be measured by might
not be numerical metrics. It might be the depth to
(14:34):
which you have influenced the lives of the people that
hurt you. But you don't want that because you don't
get credit for being a great pastor. You get credit
for having a big church. And America in particularly is
in love with affluence. We stand for hours to take
(14:57):
pictures of people on the red carpet who have affluence,
and the people who sign the contract for the people
that are on the rear carpet walk right past you,
and you pay them no attention. Because we do not
glorify leadership. We glorify light. But the reason I thought
(15:21):
that was important. Normally I would just teach something like
this at a leadership conference. And I do have some
things that I'm going to teach that. But I'm gonna
give you a little precursor to day in case you
don't make it, or in case you do come, you'll
come with your head on straight. The Bible said in
Luke twoin fifty two, and Jesus increased in wisdom and
(15:42):
stature and favor with God and man. Favor with man
is influence. Favor with God is influence. To have favor
with God means I can speak up and say things
to God and things will change. And what is powerful
(16:02):
about Luke two fifty two is that Jesus increased. If
Jesus increased, that means that I can increase. I can
start out with no influence and end up with all
kinds of influence. My influence can increase. And one of
the ways to know that your influence is increasing is
(16:24):
by the level of your attack. Some people have not
earned the right to be severely attacked or greatly attacked
because they don't have great enough influence. When the enemy
sees that you're about to get greater influence, he sends
on greater demons to attack your life, to assassinate the
(16:48):
destiny that is over your life. Allelujah. The devil doesn't
know it, but he's warning you of what is about
to come by the level of attack that precedes the
next move that's coming in your life. Who am I
talking to today,
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