Bishop TD Jakes - How To Build Your Vision From The Ground Up QA With

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for tuning into our channel.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today, we want to share an exclusive interview that Pastor
Stephen did with Bishop TD Jakes on an entrepreneurship and leadership.
Thank you for joining us. We hope you enjoyed the
special presentation.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I want to read you something and this was written
by Judd Apatow. He was writing about the comedian Albert
Brooks and how he got a chance to work with
one of his heroes, and just a couple sentences, but
he said something that I would love to say about
Bishop Jakes before he comes. And he said, in your
dreams as a young guy, you imagine your heroes to

(00:33):
be one thing, and then you get a chance to
work with one of them, and he's actually even better.
He said, deep down, all comedy nerds hope that at
the end of our lives we will have made one
movie as good and true as Albert Brooks's best movies.
I'll modify that a little bit. Deep down, all preachers

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and leaders hope that at the end of our lives
we will have preached one sermon that's good and true
as Bishop TD Jakes or sermon.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Would you put your hands together Elevation Church and welcome
to the stage form the only Bishop TD Jacks.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I don't know how we're supposed to do this, but
I want to tell you right off the beat, this
is my Stephen Ferdy got fit.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Okay, this is me trying to be cool like we Pastor?
Could I be pretty good?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Cool?

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Man?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
So I inspired you? You inspired me? Can we call
it even now? For all of the stuff I've ripped
off from you over the years.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
That the only problem is my thoughts can't breathe.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
That's a problem. So if we see you leaning over.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, I need an EMT for my knees.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
But I'm good. Woo.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
You can't dance on these things, man, you can't.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
You know, you just got to jump up and down?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Can you soar?

Speaker 5 (02:33):
I can soar in them? I can sor in them.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
How would you like to hear? Bishop T. D. Jakes
and Pastor Stephen Fredick Singh. I believe I can fly
by R Kelly I do at the Agenda Centeractive Experience.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Is that something you might be interested in?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
All the millennials are like, are what, Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yeah, I know right?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Maybe you would do that at the end. No, do
you like that song?

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah? I like the song?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
What are some songs that you like to listen to
Bishop Jakeson don't get played.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
In church, that don't get played in church? Who cut
the cameras?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh you guys can be seated for hanging out now,
they're so exciting.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
I like Luther Vandros. I like Anita Baker. You know,
you know, I like lesser known but extremely talented. It's
Kiko Matsui. Kiko Matsui is a Japanese jazz pianist. Said
it's absolutely out of this world. And I listened to
her this evening before I came over here, so i'd
have my international flavor.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
So I like all kinds of music. I like classical music.
I like gospel music, of course. I like just about
every kind of every journey, even some country. I go
country on you every.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Now and then.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
The greatest rock and roll band of all time.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Oh god, now I'm in trouble now. I don't go
rock and roll. It's funny. I grew up in the
Jimmy hendricks ere so you know, you know anybody you
Jimmy Hendryx no, yeah, yeah yeah, big poster of him
on the wall. My life's ambition was to have his afro.
I had women's braiding my hair till my eyeballs were

(04:15):
up like this, trying to get my hair to grud.
It never happened. I didn't get here till the Jerry curl.
Know nothing about the Jerry.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yes, sir, I do. I mean not from personal experience.
I've seen pictures.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
You've seen pictures of them. Well, when I used to
pree jerys Ago, I wore Jerry curl and I had
a towel around my neck. And when I got to
really preach it, do you see the pictures and something, Yeah,
and the Jerry craw the juice would fly across the
front eye and everybody gets slain in the spirit. Those
were the days when the pirate god was falling.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Is that the secret?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
That's the secret. You gotta get a curl.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm in trouble, so excited about this new book, so
excited to talk to you about it tonight.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Thank you. I've been reading it.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
It's kind of weird, though. I had to do my
research to interview you, and so I put in Amazon
because the book is subtitled Build Your Vision from the
ground Up and focuses on leadership entrepreneurship. So I put
entrepreneur in Amazon Search and over fifty six thousand results. Wow,

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over fifty six thousand results. And then I put in
leadership over two hundred and fifty seven thousand results. Amazing,
which made me wonder from my first official question of
the interview, what was missing from the conversation that made
you want to add your voice?

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Timing What we need depends on where we are in
the history of this country. The topography of this country
has changed in terms of how we make a living
quite a bit. From agricultural we went through that phase
to industrial age to the information age that we're currently

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in right now, and people have had to retool themselves
in order to keep up with trends they didn't choose.
Now we're in an area where people of my generation
send our kids to school because we train them to
think a job. And we said, if you go to
school and you get a good education, you're going to
come out and you're going to get a great job.

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And that was true when I was coming up, but
that's not true today. Today you can yeah, am I
right about it? Today you can go to school, you
can get a great education and come out with a
good bill, a whole lot of debt and end up
working at Burger King.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Nothing against Burger King, but how do I have to
be careful brother? Like we get sued on the regular.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
The question then becomes, how do we, with our education
and our disappointment, living in our mother's house, sleeping on
the couch, eating cereal at noon, wetool ourselves so that
we can be functional in the twenty first century. I
listen to the argument that our country's having right now.

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It's hard to listen to, but beneath all of the chatter,
the red belt states and the inner cities are crying
about the same thing, the lack of opportunity, and we're
looking to the White House to solve the problem. And
the reality is that's not going to happen. That's not

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going to happen, and we need solutions. And this goes
beyond we like to talk in term of we have
nice terms for it was really black and white, you know,
herb and Red Belt stations, really black folks white folks.
But now we're both getting broke, okay, which is a

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scary situation. And you've got smart, bright, gifted, talented people
who can't find an opportunity. Also in our community and
even in other communities. You have this dilemma of people
who made mistakes when they were young. It's some criminal
justice issue, and twenty five years later they can't get
a job or a place to stay, right. That's a

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real problem. So rather than to go get a job,
I thought it was important to talk about being a job,
you know, yeah, about being a job, about hiring yourself,
about the opportunities that exists to create your own reality,
your own business, your own company, to be the CEO

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of you.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
And I think it surprises a lot of people to
hear you talk like that who are only familiar with
you as a preacher. I mean, there's no doubt. Okay,
when I go to preach for Bishop Jakes, I've had
the privilege to do it three times. I think I
spend as long trying to figure out what I want
to say in my introductory remarks to honor him because

(09:23):
of what he's meant to me as I do on
my message, and I never can quite find the words.
But the last time I think I was with you,
I gave you a nickname. I don't know if you remember.
I called you the Slasher. And I called you that
because I called you that because no matter what title
someone would put with the name TD Jakes, they would

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have to put a slash after it. So you're a
pastor slash author New York Times Bestselling multiple number one
seven ninety three weeks, author, producer, slash, record label executive slash, philanthropist,

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slash father, slash husband, slash slash I call him slasher,
probably the first time you've ever been called that.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
That got me an FBI investigation. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
At the heart of at the heart of that nickname, though,
is a lot of admiration. I wonder when did you
decide not to be limited by one title or one function.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
I never knew that the way people described you would
become a prison until they did it. When I met me,
I was not a preacher, so I didn't know that
they would incarcerate me with the title. You are at

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your best when you are authentic to your core, and
you have to be what you are, not what they
call you. Sometimes you understand what I'm saying. Sometimes people
will call you a name and you start living up
to the name, and it limits you from what else
God wants to do in your life. You know, And

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by the way, I get a lot of credit for
inventing this, but the credit is really misplaced because when
you think of the Apostle Paul, he was a writer.
He was a thinker, respected by the thinkers of his
age at a time when there were profound thinkers in
Paul's known for his ability to be progressive intellectually. He

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was a speaker, He was a writer, He was a
tent maker. He was able to influence Auquilla and Priscilla
not because of his preaching, but because of his business.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
They shared the same business.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
And out of that business, influence and affluence of relationship
emerged that affected the kingdom. Jesus, who was a carpenter's
son and later they called him a carpenter. He who
handled would end up nailed to a tree. And what
happens in life as we evolve as a person, we

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cannot allow ourselves to be incarcerated by anything that people
would describe us with because we limit then what the
Holy Spirit can do in your life.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I did.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Let me jump ahead and say this one quick thing.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
I think if Jesus had come in our day, he
would have been a filmmaker. But because they didn't have films.
He told parables, But if you think about it, parables
are movies made the words. If he were to come today,
he would have done films. Imagine how that would look

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like today. Most of what we call church we would
have to teach Jesus. Jesus never saw an usher. He
never saw a greeting committee. Jesus never saw a choir.
Jesus never met a deacon. Jesus never had a board.

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Jesus never had a whole lot of things that we
would have to go through and say, now, Jesus, don't
sit over there. That's the reserve section. And Jesus, when
you get ready to leave and string up about you know,
we would we we These accruitments that attach itself to
religion often block our view from revelation. Yeah, and because

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I was I was raised by dying father, born in
between two dead babies. I really value the preciousness of life.
The baby before me died and the baby after me died,
and my mother clutched to me as only a mother
can who has lost a child, and an appreciation for

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the you of life, and a refusal to allow anybody
to take away the great privilege of being alive. I
will think for myself. I will move in my own direction.
You can say whatever you want to say about it,
but I'm gonna be me. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,
at the core of everything Sore is saying, don't be limited,

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don't put a period because you did one thing that
you can't do something else, that you can't be, something else,
that you can't evolve as an individual, that you can't
explore other idioms of thought them.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
You know, let me shut up because I get to
talking about that's great.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I want to dig deep into that because the arc
of your teaching and one of the most influential messages
that I've received from you is get out of your
comfort zone. I mean, if you open your mouth, some
version of that's going to come out, maybe from the
Old Testament or maybe from a chicken. There's some way

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that you're going to tell me get out of your
comfort zone. I wondered, though, because I've also heard you
teach so much about your capacity that each person has
a God given capacity. For the person who is trying
to decide who am I? What can I do? I
don't know yet. I haven't tried yet. I think I
know what I have. I don't know if I have

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it or not. How do we know the difference between
staying in our comfort zone versus going beyond our capacity.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
You're only measured in terms of success by his investment.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
In terms of contribution, if he.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Gave one man one talent, another man two talents, and
another man five talents, he didn't expect the man with
one talent to produce ten, but at least give me two.
The man who had two talents came back with four.
The man with five talents came back with ten. The
man with two talents came back with four. The man
with five came back with ten. And those are the
same things. That's one hundred fold. The man with one

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came back with nothing. Now, the apostle Paul says that
when we compare ourselves with one another and so doing
it is not wise because we don't have the same
starting place. So if I'm going to make success predicated
on what my neighbor had, that is only fair if
I started with what my neighbor started with.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Let me ask this, what if I'm not clear about
what I started with because I've heard you do this
thing before too. Okay, the advantage I have interviewing you.
Is I have a library of things that you've said.
I don't think there's no sermon. By the way, Yeah,
I'm scared to death, upperhead. But you do this thing,
all right. I saw him do this thing at a

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preacher's conference once and he said, I won't I won't
imitate your voice.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
He has this really intense mode. There's there's a wide o,
Bishop Jakes, and then there's a very intense very it's
it's it's many gears, but it's equal intensity, and it's terrifying.
But it was a it was a it was a
pretty a pretty big moment. And you you say, there's
nothing that I have that you don't have. I have

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one mouth, you have one mouth.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
I have two ears, you.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Have two ears. And you know how descriptive he is.
He went all the way to the toenails. And I'm
just being honest, Bishop, respectfully, I was thinking, that's not true.
You have this mind and this ability and this voice.
Even as a preacher who admires you so much, there's
a part of me that goes. I know. The point

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is that God has given each of us a calling,
But I think a lot of us. When we hear
about the parable of the talents, we don't know, well,
do I have one? Do I have two? Do I
have five? I don't want to get out there and
do something stupid that I wasn't meant to do, but
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
You're really hitting on something first, saying I am in
touch with myself in a way that a lot of
people are not. I know me. I dated me. It's funny,
but it's true. I've dated me. I know me. You know,
when you date somebody, you explore them to see who
they are. Most people are so busy dating other people

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they never dated themselves.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
When God says to Adam, the very first command God
says to Adam is to be fruitful. You can only
be fruitful if you are seedful. So we're talking about
the difference between fruit and seed. Identifying your seed is
what causes you to be fruitful. The first revelation of

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seed should happen in your family. You should have parents
who are looking at their kids looking for seeds. I'm
gonna give you my grandbaby story. You asked for it,
You're gonna get it. You're just gonna get it. So
we're in my church and it's dark, and my grandbaby's
in there, and a bunch of friends are in there,
and we're taking pictures and I can't find the light
and you know, the lights are complicated and I can't

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figure out how to turn all this stuff on.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
And so we're trying to get some pictures.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
And so my grandbaby ran and she says, wait a minute, Paul,
I'm going to get a flashlight.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
She went up under the pew where we.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Have hidden flashlights, snatched down a flashlight and brought it
over and said, now take the picture. And so I
said to her, I said, baby, don't you want to
be Kinsey. Don't you want to be in the picture.
She said, no, I don't want to be in the picture.
I want to hold the light. That's the seed right there.
That's the seed right there. So we came back to

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the house and I was getting ready to take a
picture and I'm trying to keep up with you millennials.
You know, it's so hard and us trying to take
a selfie. And I was trying to I got.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
A timer, you know where you can buck them the
you know, you know, if you want me on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
You know this is true. And so I couldn't get
my phone to sit up. And she went and got
some books and propped it up, and I said, I
told my daughter, I said, put her in leadership classes,
put her in management classes.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
She's a problem solver that starts early, early, early.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Her instinct in the situation is to solve the problem.
She says, I don't want to be in the picture.
I want to hold the light. Those are seeds directing
that child toward an area where you can cultivate what
God has planet down inside of them.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Is important. It's very, very important.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
There are people in this room that have dormant seeds
laying inside of them that if they get in the
right atmosphere, they're going to turn into things you have
never seen before. They didn't always have the benefit of
parents who could see it, or had time to see it,
or knew how to see it. But even as adults,
there are still seeds down in you that.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Have not been touched yet. That's what happened to Eliza.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
He was fulfilling his parents' vision plowing in the field.
That boy wasn't no farmer. Just because you can run
a plow doesn't mean, you're a farmer. But sometimes we
get stuck in what people expect, right, and we never
find out who we are because we're living somebody else's dreams.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
And so there he is plowing in the field, doing.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
What his daddy wanted, going around and saying, I guess
this is all life has for me. He's going around
and around the circle. Like many people are listening to
me right now. You go to work, go to church,
go home, go to work, go to church, go home,
go to work, go to church.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Go home. You're plowing around around the circle.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Until Elijah passed by him, and then he was exposed
to something. The moment he was exposed to something greater,
he dropped something lesser.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Do you understand what I'm saying? Kind of?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
That's why conversations like this are important, because really, I'm
not throwing seeds. I'm throwing fertilizer, and if it hits
the seed, it's going to give birth to companies and
businesses and books and artistry and drama and all kinds
of stuff that's in this room that people never have

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given themselves permission to burn their plow. Yeh, that's what
this book is all about. Past it is about I'm
not against people working a job, but we have entrepreneurs
in a job and you're frustrating the company and.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
You nobody likes you. They don't like you.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Let me ask you this because.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Because you're scared of what I've read that.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I just think that's a very tweetable moment. They don't
like you at Bishop Jakes, so true, they don't like you.
Touch your neighbor and say they don't like you. No,
I just want to clarify because it seems like entrepreneur
is an entrepreneur is a trendy title these days. Hear

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it more and more. It's not a weird thing anymore.
It's kind of sexy to post, you know, on my
grind And you know, what do you think about that? Bishop?
Because I would imagine that generationally, I know enough about
how you grew up, maybe people would like to hear
a little bit about what it means to you. What's
the essence of entrepreneurship to you, your value system versus

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how you see it being portrayed culturally now, especially in
a younger generation.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Well, most of the.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Time today, when people say they're on their ground, they
overslept their laying on the cougar cereal.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
That's what it means.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yeah, that's what it means today. That is not what
it meant in my day, and that is not what
makes people successful.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
I have had.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
I have to be careful about even going down this road.
I have been so blessed to get in the room
with some of the most incredible people on the planet.
I had lunched the other day with the CEO of
AT and T and we sat for hours and hours
talking and interacting with each other and became friends. Last

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Sunday I was invited to Oprah's house as she launched
her book, and I've seen her behind the scenes and
seen how she operates, who she is and what she does.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Pretty nice place.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Instead of burning my blow when I came home, I
started to burn down my house. I said, I'll set
it afire there, insures and painfully. I've seen people who
were on their grind. I've seen Steve Harvey's on this grind.
I've seen people on their grind. What on the grind
really is is a work ethic that would blow your mind.

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It would blow your mind. I'm sixty years old and
everybody who works for me is younger than me, and
they'll tell you, I'll work you up under the table.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
I'll work you up under the table.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Where does that come from?

Speaker 5 (25:15):
My father?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
My father, absolutely, my father is weird. Let me tell you,
this chair is about to break. My father sitting here
and my mother is sitting here, and they're fighting for
the mic from moment to moment. My grandmother talks to
you every now and then. All of my ancestors are
sitting on this table, all the way back to Nigeria,

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all of them, my ancestors were Ebos from Nigeria, and
Ebos are called black Jews. That they're industrious, that they
go after things, that they're hardworking people. So all the
way back in my DNA, we were self sufficient and
all of them are sitting here, folks who name I

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can't even call. So what we're talking about is culture, okay,
and not racial culture. Family culture. Where the demonstration of
what my father decided what grinding was. You weren't grinding
till Daddy said you were grinding. Take your hands out
of your pocket, boy, like you got a million dollars
in your pocket. They trained us not to be lazy.

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They talked about lazy like it was a disease.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
I mean, like the worst thing you can do. It
was the worst thing you could be, you know. And
two things to this day, I shouldn't say that in
your church. I can say this about your So I'm
gonna say in your church, and I'm gonna let you
figure out all the mail you get. Two things I
can to this day I cannot stand is a stinking
woman and a lazy man for like that agreement with me.

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I bed.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
My sister got to take a bad Praise God. My
sister got to she got to throw some water here
and there. I ain't talked about baptism. I'll give a
brother a pass on the smelling good if he works hard.
But don't tell me you're on the grind. And you're
and you're not really on the grind. Here's the problem.

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The Bible said Benjamin Jacob was dying, laying in the bed,
talking about fathers to son. He's laying in the bed,
he's dying, and he set up the Bible said, Israel
strengthened himself. Notice that Israel strengthened himself, set up in
the bed, and he said, Benjamin shall raven as a
wolf in the morning. He shall divire the prey, and

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in the evening he should the spoils. Notice the time
clock there in the morning, you devire the prey while
you're young.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
That's the intensity thing I was talking about.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
You see that. Imagine when he has a stake knife
a pross the table.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
One lady jumped back three roads just in the morning.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I see a lady really scared right here.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
My mother was a school teacher. She was dramatic. In
the morning, you should devour the prey. In the evening,
you should divide the spoils. If you don't devour when
you're young, you'll have nothing to divide.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
When you're old.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's incredible.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
I am scared to beat the people who are young
and saying I just can't figure it out. I haven't
made up my mind yet. I tried that I didn't
like you. I don't know. Maybe I do.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think you better harry you better shoot something right now,
because youth goes quick. I mean like it goes like
a runaway slave.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
It's gonna youth is an underground railroad with here at
Tubbanni can select.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so these are things I would not.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
So you just do nod. I've had the white man's
liability of turning red. See we can embarrassing. You can't
tell it.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
But when you're embarrassing, turn red, God bless you. It's
gonna be roughs tonight. It's gonna be roped tonight.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
It's gonna be roped tonight.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
In the morning, hear me. People, in the morning, devour something.
Throw your whole self at something. You'll never know what
you can do and what you can be until you
throw your whole self at it. Devira it, I mean
divir it. Don't try the vira it. Attack it. Attack

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it like you're gonna kill it. Devour the prey. And
in the evening you divide the spoils. We have it
backwards today. We want to divide the spoils in the morning.
So we're blinging when we are to be devouring. See
see see see. Don't worry about whose name you wear

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when you're young. Worry about your name. God told Abraham,
I will make your name great. Yeah, I will make
your name break. There is an old person down inside
of you that's depending on you to be smart. It's
it's a person you're going to be thirty forty years

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from now. Do not disappoint that person by being foolish
through the strongest years of your life, and then when
your back is out and your knees are swollen and
you can't move around.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Now you're out there, gonna get your grind on.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Now you.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
It is a message you tell yourself, I'm tired. I
can't do that. I don't feel like what we become
what we say to ourselves, because you will never win.
The Olympics talked about oh no, I don't feel like
working out today. I don't know I'll do it, but
I feel like if I don't feel like it, I
don't do this because I'm not into working out.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
I want I want to get the trophy. I want
the trophy, but I don't want to go through what it.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Takes to get it. You devour in the morning, you
divide in the evening. And if you try something and
it doesn't work, it's okay, try something else. If my
son said to me, he said, daddy, he said, uh uh,
my baby boy. He said, daddy, I'm going to school.
He's finishing up a four year degree in musical engineering.

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He said, I think it's the thing I want to do.
But he said in the dining room, taber with me
he said, but suppose I'm not suppose it's not. Suppose
I throw everything at it and it's really not the thing.
And I leaned back over at the table and I said,
don't worry about it, son. If it is not the thing,
it will be the thing that leads to the thing.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Okay, let's go into that. What's been a in your life,
ministry or business? What's been a thing that led to
a thing? I love the part in the book about viagra.
By the way, it's in the book. You have to
get the book. It's just an example. You're talking about

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Coca cola and other products that were discovered by accident.
It's the idea that sometimes in doing something that fails,
you lead to something that you didn't even know that
was really the whole purpose all along. Absolutely, all right,
So give us one, ten twenty examples of those in
your life things that you accidentally succeeded at.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Everything in my life I stumbled into, is that right?
I stumbled into. I never thought I would be producing films.
My wife and I started out doing gospel plays and
going on tour during gospel plays. We had no intention
that we were going to ever do movies. We were
trying to do plays and trying to figure out how

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to do that right and losing and losing money. And
went to Atlanta and just lost our shirts, put up
the first play, and in the process of stumbling around,
we finally figured out how to get the play kind
of going good. And then I met this dude that
I said, let's collaborate and do it together. And the
dude was what was his name, Tyler Perry. Yeah, I

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heard about him somewhere. Yeah, Tyler Perry was fresh out
of sleeping in his car, and I was fresh out
of money. And so we got together and collaborated and
did a play called Women Are Loose, and we do
it the country during Women that Are Loose, And then

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we went to la and did it and a guy
named Ruben Cannon was in the audience. You never know
who's in your audience. Footnote to preacher, speakers, singers, anybody
on the stage. Never adjust your performance to the crowd
because you never know who's in the crowd.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
You never know.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Always respect your audience with your best performance. I don't
care if it's three people. One of those people might
change the trajectory of your life. So Ruben Cannon was
in the crowd and he saw the play and he said,
I want to make it a movie. He said, I
want to make it a movie.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
I didn't have. Bear in mind, I didn't have no movie. Money.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Movie and money both start with an info of reason. Okay,
when you have one, you've got to have the other.
But he said something to me that becomes the way
business people think. They don't fail to do something because
they don't have the money. He says, we'll raise some money.

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Let's do the movie. Listen to the different attitude. I
can't do it because they don't have the money. He
doesn't see money as an issue. If you see it
as an issue, it'll be a stop sign. He says, Oh,
we'll raise some money. So Cedric the entertainer, and I
can't remember who all over put some money in any

(35:36):
different people put some money in it because he knew them.
Relationships are your greatest resource.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
People who don't like money don't.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Like resources because everything that's gonna ever gonna come through
you is gonna come through a person. That's why you
got to be careful how you treat people, because it's
not guaranteed that it'll be somebody you lack your friend.
They won't necessarily be your color, and they may not
have your theology, okay, but God may use them to
bless you. You know, the Ravens didn't go to church,

(36:10):
but they fed elige. So anyway, so we put the
money together, We put them, we put the money together,
and we did this little low budget film, Woman Aren't Lose,
and just on a whim, submitted it to the Santa

(36:30):
Barbara Film Festival and won the festival, and all of
a sudden, the movie that we were gonna put on
TV went to screen. You see how you're stumbling into it.
It's not always that you've planned it. But if you
honor where you are with your best effort, even if
it is not it, it will lead to it. So

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as you walk along, you stumble into it. I was
telling my church Sunday, if you go to my stream
and string and stream our service Sunday, you get to
see a big, ugly six foot two man start wiprint
and lips start kremling. Got you to cry. I had
no idea when I was pastoring in Smithers forty people,

(37:15):
fifty people. There's West Virginia, West Virginia on Easter on
Easter on Eastern on Eastern, bro on Easter on Eastern.
That's kind of pregnant folks and dead members. We had
about fifty people. I wasn't I had no idea that

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the Potter's House was in me. You stumble into it.
But until you dignify the forty, you don't get the
forty thousand. The problem today is that people are so
busy going after the forty thousand that they don't respect
the forty. And if you don't do your best with

(37:57):
the forty, you won't get to the forty thousand. All
of my life I stumbled into relationships and situations and
circumstances that I had no idea were going to happen
in my life. But as you dignify the present with
your attention, yeah, I like that. To be present in
the moment.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
That is so important, And sometimes I have to make
myself do it because I'm such a planner. I'm so strategic.
I'm really ten years ahead of where the calendar is
right now. I'm waiting on me to catch up. I
got plans.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
You are so strategic. That's what blew my mind about you.
I thought you were just a cyborg before I met you.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Though I thought you were just set up?

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Did he question me?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I thought? I thought, I thought there was this force
of nature. Bishop T. D. Jakes was a force of nature.
And some little things that I've seen, some little things
that I've noticed. There's a I thought I would use
a prop bring me that. Uh yeah, that one.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
That one.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
This is from the book I saw. Thanks Jonathan. See
he didn't want to come all the way up. He
just stopped short. Won't get blessed like that, Willie, Bishop,
you go to come all the way all right, all
of sen But I love the quote in the book.

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You compare our vision to architecture and you talk about
how if you plant it with a pencil, you can
weld it with steel. And that's what surprised me about you,
because you're so gifted. There's no denying that. When I
saw the systems, the structures, the thought process that goes

(39:42):
behind who you are, it almost made me depressed because
I realized, oh, this isn't magic. You may have stumbled
into it from one perspective, but from another perspective, it
was strategic stumbling. At least you were trying to do something.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Let me interrupt you. You stumble it to it.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
God gives you an opportunity, and what you do with
that opportunity is your gift to him.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
God.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
You understand when God gives you an opportunity, instead of
just jumping on the opportunity, you're supposed to.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
See what it can be. I tell him all the time.
You know, God, God never made not one table.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, I love this.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Do this. This is this God.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
God never made a chair in all of his years
of being God. He's never made a chair. He's never
made a table. He just made a tree, and the
rest of it was up to us. When God hands
you a tree, imagine a table, a chair, Imagine a
wall in a room, Imagine a long heaven. Imagine what

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it can be. Imagine what it can be, Imagine what
it could be. God a mercy.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
If he hands you a child, imagine what it can be.
If he hands you a spy, imagine what he can be.
Oh God, I feel his power. I feel his cousins.
It was out. Your church is rowdy, they shout and stuff.

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I didn't know that I was out.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
What did you think we did?

Speaker 5 (41:19):
Over here?

Speaker 8 (41:22):
There's this elevation in charge. Just see him at University City.
Look at University City. He's up University all sit Hello.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
So I'm in South Africa.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I'm on a safari and I'm really like tripping off
of this safari and I'm out here with all of
these big animals and stuff. And I noticed the elephant
that's moving around. The elephant is strong and he's big
and it's tough. And his powers and his weight and
he threw it weight around. He throws his weight around.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
What can you do with him? Because he's so big.
God made him big as a defense. The lion roars.
When he roars, everybody is almost paralyzed in fear because
God gave him his roar as his defense.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
The cheetah says, I can't roar like that, but I
can run like the wind. The cheetah he goes running
through the woods because God meet him able to run
because that's his defense. The eagle spreads his wings and
swords into the air and says, I can't run, but
I can fly.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
God let the eagle be able to fly because it
was his defense.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
And I'm walking around in the jungle and I said, well, Lord,
I can't fly like the eagle. I can't run like
the cheetah, I can't roar like the lion, and I
can't throw my weight around like the elephant. What did
you give man as his defense in the whole eco
system of human of life force?

Speaker 5 (42:55):
What did you give me? He said?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
I gave you a brain. Your brain is your defense.
That's why God didn't make chairs. He only brings it halfway.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
And then lets you imagine collaboration development. You understand what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
The problem with church people is that we are taught
that God makes furniture.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
So we pray and pray and pray and pray and
pray and pray and pray and pray and pray and pray.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Oh, I need a table. I need a table. God,
give me a table. Give me a table either just
one table. Lord, did you give me a table? Our praiser,
did you give me a table?

Speaker 6 (43:46):
Our side?

Speaker 4 (43:47):
You ain't, God says, I don't do that. I make trees.
I want you to look around your life for trees,
not tables. God's gonna bring it within the reach of
your mind, and your creativity is gonna take it the

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rest of the way, and it's gonna turn into apps
and it's gonna turn into Apple phones, and it's.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Gonna turn the computers. It's gonna turn into satellite systems
in the heavens. Look at what all we were able
to do. No other, no other creature, no.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Other species has since satellites up into the air, created smartphones.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Look at what we did with our head.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Why are we in church not using our head? I
don't understand it. You know, in my neighborhood, they got
this song, you know that the young people used to sing.
It is stated now, but they say shake your money maker. Yeah,
and they go to a torquing. You know, I ain't

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gonna show you. I got a couple of moves I'm
gonna save.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
But they.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Go to talk.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
And I told my church the next time you hear
that song, play your moneymaker. Don't take nothing down here,
shake this up here. As a man thinkth so is
he when you start talking about the type of strategic
that I am. God gives me raw elements, and I

(45:26):
stare at them. I stare at what I've been given
like I stare at a text. I preach the way
I do not because of what I know about the text.
How long I stare at the text I just stare
at it and stare at it. Stare at it. I
look at my life. I look at my wife, I

(45:47):
look at my kids, I look at my age, I
look at my stage. I look at my influence, and
I stare at it and imagine what it could be.
Build my strategy from my stare. See, I don't have
time to be gazing at what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
You understand, but that's not gonna help me. That's none
of my business.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
God bless you. If I can help you, you know
I will. But I'm not over in your business. I'm
never going to be over in your business because every
time you turn around, I'm staring at mine. For this season,
for this stage, for this age in my life, what
could I do with what I have left?

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Your miracle is never in what you lost. It is
always in what you have left. If you're down to
a handful of meal, that's all you need. If you're
down to two fish and five lows of bread, that's
all you need.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
And so when you start looking at what you have left,
stop grieving over what you lost, because if you needed it,
you wouldn't have lost it. It might only be a
pot of oil, but if it's left. The miracles always
in what's left. So what can you imagine with that?

Speaker 5 (47:04):
That woman?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
That powder oil would have never done anything if you
didn't pour it. It would pour as long as there
was capacity to receive. So when you start talking about
being strategic, and this is going to help you a
whole lot for me, Once I envision where I'm going,
then I can tell what I don't need.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
You see, if I packed to go on this trip
based on where I was going, I checked the weather,
I looked at the places I was going to speak,
and everything that I thought I would need for where
I was going I put in the bag. And anything
I didn't pack, no swimming trucks, because I figured I
wasn't gonna need them.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Why do I load down my bag with things I
don't need? Okay?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
I want to circumspectfully, with great precision, tail my life
down to the things that are necessary to get me
where I'm trying to go. Stephen Mansfield, who is the
CEO of Southern Methodist Hospitals, this chain of hospitals throughout Texas,
a multi billion dollar corporation. Healthcare is a business. He

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also was the former president of the Dallas Regional Chamber
of Commerce, and as he moved out of office, I
was there. Incidentally, I am the first clergy to ever
be on the executive board of the Dollars Chamber of Commerce.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
And there I am on the executive board.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
They control all the wealth that comes in and out
of our city, and all the planning and all the
preparations to be able to move the city of Dollas forward.
And there I am in a room full of CEOs
and executives, and I'm listening at.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Them talk, and I'm staring. I'm staring.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
I can tell a great preacher sitting in the crowd
by how he stares while I'm preaching.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
In a stare. Brother, I'm staring, and Stephen says something.
He says. He said, all of us CEOs, no, it
is not where we're trying to go. That is the problem.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
You can get great consensus from all of your staff
on the goal, and we spend all of our time
talking about the goal of where we're trying to go.
He said, But all of you CEOs, no, that's not
the problem. It is not where we're trying to go.
That is the problem. It is what are you willing
to leave behind to get there. When he said that,

(49:31):
I ripped out my phone like I had to call somebody.
I have both thumbs. I very seldom use both thumbs.
I have both thumbs. I was just up packing that
A packing that A pack is what are you willing
to leave behind if you're going to soar. If you're
going to soar, you have to break a law to soar.
The law is the law of gravity. The Right brothers

(49:55):
had to figure this out that every time they tried
to go up. I knew to us right something kept
pulling them down. There are people in this room that
every time they go after their dream, something keeps pulling
them down. They want to open up a not for profit,
they want to open up a healthcare, they want to
open up a home, fun with mother, there's some lovely
good things. It's not about being rich. It's about purpose

(50:18):
that they're trying to do.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
But every time they try to do it that something
keeps pulling them down. There is a law that always
wants to pull you down to where you came from.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
You came from the dirt, and where you came from
will always call you back. You have to escape the
gravitational pull of where you came from. And in order
to do that, you have to break through into a
higher law. The higher law is the law of aerodynamics,
but you have to break into it. And what I
need the force for it. The reason I need the

(50:49):
runway to get my injines ramped up is because when
I come up against it. And this is where young
people make a mistake. They underestimate the pull to fall backwards.
They saw planes take off and they said, I can
do that, But they underestimate how much force it takes
to break through the gravitational pull.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
That brings you back down.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
So when they fall back down, they give up on
themselves and they stop believing themselves. Whereas if you would
just go faster at it and go harder at it,
you would break through the law of gravity.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
Oh Holly, Loia, Why you.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Know, everybody has something that's trying to pull you back.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
To where you came from.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
And so when the right brothers built the plane in
the book, it's built around the right brothers. When the
right brothers built the plane, they built it in Dayton,
know how, And they built it.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
In a they didn't There's three old ladies over the
corner there from Davy. I'm teasing, I see.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
But they were in Dayton, know how, and they figured
out they built the first plane in a bicycle shop.
They couldn't say to themselves, well, when I get what
I need, I'm gonna build a plane. We don't have
a manufacturer, we don't have any banking, we don't have
any money, and by the way, we don't even have
a degree. But none of that stopped them from building.

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I wrote this book to people who don't have what
they need. Okay, I didn't really write the book to
big time entrepreneurs, because all of those books you're talking about,
they got them. I wrote this book to people with
big dreams and little resources.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
I wanted you.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
To build your plane from a bicycle shop. And then
they got it all built up and dated. And then
they figured out something. And I can cite I do
in the book. I cite examples of things that I
did that succeeded or fell off of this next thing.
They said, we have to move to Kittihawk, North Carolina.

(53:00):
There were two reasons. One, if it came back down,
it would fall in the brush and the landing would
be better. And the second reason was the wind was right.
There are times you can do the right thing and
the wrong wind. Okay, some of the things I tried

(53:21):
didn't work because I didn't study the trend. I studied
the plane, but I didn't study study the trend and
the wind. That's necessary. Success has a lot to do
with wind. If Colonel Sanders came along today and started
KFC today, he'd go broke, because.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Today we're all worried about you know, carves and fat
grams and all of a sudden, I'm a vegetarian, you know,
all of this stuff we're reading of the labels and
all of that stuff. But he started his business at
the time that women had just go on the work
and families who are used to home cooked meals. His

(54:05):
business solved a problem.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Does stats say that people who go into business because
they want money are apt to go out of business?
Eighty percent of the time, people who go into business
who are successful don't go into business based on their need.
They've gone the business based on their customer's need. If
your business or church or ministry solves a problem, it

(54:31):
requires less marketing. You don't have to talk me into
wanting something I need, But when I don't need it.
You got to spend a whole lot of money talking
me into something. So you want your business to be
a solution. In fact, you want your life to be
a solution. Nobody sends for a problem. They only send

(54:55):
for an answer. If you're feeling lonely and you're feeling rejected,
figure out out how you can be an answer to
somebody's problem, and they'll always invite you. Because people invite answers,
they repel problems. So when you come in the room
giving problems, it is the most unsexy thing you can
ever do in the world. It's true, somebody far less

(55:16):
cute can get much further than you because they don't
moan and groan and con blame. Really, when people ask
you how you are doing, they don't.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Really want an answer. We're not serious. Don't sit down
that well.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
I'm doing fairly well, but the knee is hurting, and
my back has been hurting from time to time, and
when it raised, my eyes starts twitching. I got a
little pain going on right here. It's driving me absolutely crazy,
and I just don't know what in the world I'm
gonna do.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Because I got a thumbnail growing over here. It's just hurting. Now,
that's why I didn't wear the shoes I want to wear.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
With this stress, get out of here and out of
the Bring solutions, Bring solutions, solutions, Bring.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Solutions as a person, brings solutions as a business, brings
solutions as a ministry, and you will.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Always saw when's the first time you saw yourself as
a solution?

Speaker 4 (56:06):
I wrote one of an Hour at Loose, and I
didn't even know how to write a book. Really, you know,
I didn't know nothing about writing the book. I didn't
know what the thing over you. In my twenties, in
my twenties, somewhere in my twenties, late twenties, I wrote
the book in a PC study Bible notepad because I

(56:29):
didn't know what a word process it was. So there
was a friend of mine named Pastor Clifford Fraser, who
we were just getting into computers and stuff, us old guys,
was getting twenty eight old guys. We were just getting
into it, and he said, why did you write all
of this in the notepad? He said, it'd be so
much better if you wrote it in a word processor.

(56:51):
I said, what's that? I had written almost the whole
book in the notepad of a PC study by So
it wasn't that I was proficient.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
It was that I had heard the cry.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Of women who were hurting sexually and emotionally abused, who
were hidden in our churches at that time, and the
church was ran by men who were deaf.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
To the cry of the women.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
And when I heard their cry, I thought that there
were biblical solutions to sociological and emotional issues. And so
I started trying to get an answer out. And when
I started teaching it, it was a Sunday school class,
and more and more women came, and more and more
women came. I didn't know it was going to be

(57:42):
a movement. I didn't know it was going to be
a book. I did it first as a Sunday school class,
and then I called Archie Dentnis and I told Archie,
I'm teaching this class and people are going crazy over it.
I mean, my church is backed out. This got like
maybe one hundred and fifty people. One hundred and fifty people,
meant some people outside, that's my bicycle shop. Never laugh

(58:06):
at my bicycle shop. Despise not out the day of
small beginnings. Great things come out of small places. Women
are at Louse came out of that bicycle shop. Okay,
So I told Archie about it. Archie said, you should
bring it to You should bring it to Pittsburgh. You know,
he had this big, rich voice. Archie Didnis used to
sing for Billy Graham and Morse Sorella and all those people. Yeh,

(58:26):
there's big Maludi's Viga to Pittsburgh. And so he announced
that I was going to bring it to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
No, no, he said.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
He said, I'm gonna have you in Pittsburgh. And he says,
what do you call it? And I thought, I don't know.
I'm on the phone with him. This is exactly the
way it happened. I said, I don't know. Uh, I
guess I'll call it woman are at louse. That's what
the Bible said. I'll call it woman are at loose.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
He said. Okay, So he announced that I was gonna
teach woman and I are loose like that, and so
many women came. They had to move it out at
the church into the hotel.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
So the CDs from the from the Sunday school class
and put it with the they were the cassettes at
the time, and put it with the cassettes. That how
old and put it with the cassettes from Pittsburgh, and
I had a two tapes series.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
This is the Truth.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
This got out, and when I got ready to do
the book, I couldn't find a publisher that would do it.
I finally found a publisher that would take my tapes
and transcribe it into me. But when I saw what
they did with my answer, I got mad because it
wasn't in my spirit. They were saying what women are

(59:40):
to do and such as says that what women are there.
That was not my spirit. So I had a desperation
to protect the integrity of my spirit. I started pecking
and pecking and pecking and peckett and nobody would publish
what I was pecking.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
So I told my wife, see about things that would
stop you. Okay, nobody wants to publish it. The first
person who did it did it wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
And now I've got all of this stuff crammed in
the Species Study Bible, and now I'm trying to pull
it out and put it in a word machine. And
I told my wife, I said, nobody wants to publish it.
And if I publish it myself, they want fifteen thousand dollars. Wow,
fifteen thousand dollars was all the money I had in

(01:00:28):
the world. We were saving that money to get our
first house. We didn't even own our house, and I
was trying to get us a house. And I said, Serena,
I said, I want to publish this book, and it's
gonna mean that I have to drain our savings to
do it. She said that's okay, wow, and so she agreed,

(01:00:54):
and we took the fifteen thousand, and we published the book,
and we got five thousand copies, and I sold out
in two weeks. So I said, I didn't go out
and buy me a suit though I needed one. The

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lining had come out of my suit because she was
washing it in the washing machine because we couldn't afford
to go to the cleaners. So I didn't buy me
a suit with it. I took the money and put
it back in the business and published another five thousand.
I had no idea that that book would end up

(01:01:36):
selling over five million copies, be translated into ten different languages,
be known to this day around the world in places
I have never been. And it all started in my
little bicycle shop. So when I talked to you about

(01:01:59):
the right brother soaring and catching the right when I'm
talking to you about things I know that happened in
my own life. I never let not having enough stop
me from getting up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, when you mentioned it's not where you want to go,
it's what you give up to get there? What have
you given up to get where you are? That people
in the room might be surprised enough.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
It reminds me of a statement that somebody asked Katherine Coolman.
Do y'all know who Katherine Cooman is? Katherine Cooman was
a woman preacher when women preachers weren't cool, and she
was preaching in California, and some people are still not cool,
and she was preaching in California and preaching for full
gospel businessman associations.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
She was dramatic. Oh my god, look at him walk
young anyway? Okay, so how can I it's the dramatic
side of me. I do movies. You know, what do
you say? So they asked her how much did it
cost to be who she was? And she laughed.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
She said, simply, everything, darling, simply everything. That was so
true when you start talking about I was walking through
the airport when my ministry first started to explode, I
was so distracted by the explosion that I didn't see

(01:03:30):
the damage.

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
An old preacher was coming through the airport in Charlotte.
Just don't a bit, then, Charlie is just here. When
you live in West Virginia, if you wanted to go
to heaven, you either had to go through Pittsburgh or Charlotte.
And I was in Charlotte airport and this old bishop
walked through to me, and he looked at me and

(01:03:54):
could said. He said, oh, he said, you've lost something. Whatever.
He said, You've lost something that you'll never be able
to regain. I said, what is that? He said, Normosty.
It took me about five years to unpack that simple conversation.

(01:04:18):
That you become a target by people who have never
met you, that they would say the most hideous things
about you, that your children would suffer from the things
they wrote about you, trying to get their points up
in there at their Nielsen ratings up, that they would

(01:04:39):
eat you for dinner and saved the story until sweeps
month and drop it because you had a big audience
so that they could get big ratings, And that my
kids would have to grow up in the middle of
all of that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
I was distracted by the explosion. But I would come
to see the damage. I would see it in the
tears of my children, the pregnancy of my daughter, the
pains of my son, holding my wife in tears, and
I would hold her in tears and preach faith and

(01:05:16):
go home and lay down in a bed of fear
and said, God, where have you taken me? I'm gonna
take you this, I take you. This is wore caution.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
I'm gonna throw it in free tonight tonight, and I'm
gonna tell y'all nobody else can hear this.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Just how y'all, y'all go keep it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Almost quit. I'm a country boy. I'm from West Virginia.
I don't know nothing about this big time stuff. I
just I never even asked to be big. I wanted
to be effective, not famous. Famous is the consequences of
being effective. I didn't know nothing about being famous, and

(01:05:57):
I didn't like it, And so there I was. And
when you first knew, everybody attacks you first and figures
you out later, because though we say you're innocent and
to proven guilty, the reality is you're really guilty. To
approven innocent. I didn't know that then, and I was young, upstarting.

(01:06:19):
You have to understand that you look at a sixty
year old man, but you're talking about something that's happening
to a guy in his late twenties. The little kids.
And the first time I was in the Washington Post,
the article was so vicious it made me nauxious. I
was so shocked that you could say that stuff about
somebody you didn't even know, based on assumptions and little

(01:06:41):
bit of this and a little bit of that. They
piece it all together and you don't get the same
thing back. So I decided I don't want this. I
was preaching for pastor Bishop donn Emirs, and nobody knew
it because preachers can override their feelings and function places
on fire. But inside I want to quit. I told God,

(01:07:04):
I'm through with this. I'm not going through this. I
don't need this.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
I don't see I don't need that. I'm a guy
who likes to go get his own chicken wings. I
don't have to have all of that stuff to be happy.
Because I wasn't raised with it. I can make it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
You can throw me in an apartment and give me
just a little skill. It a cast iron skill. It
you know what, you know what I'm talking about it
and some seasons soft stuff, and come away. I will
run you out here. I would run you out.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
So I said, I'm not doing this no more. I'm
not doing it. I'm not doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
I'm not doing this because I don't need this, and
I didn't ask for this. I'm only doing this because
of what happened in my life or the circumstances happened
in my life. He put me on stage. I didn't
ask for it. And when I saw how much of costs,
I thought, you can have that right back here, you
have that right back up in there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
I don't need it. So I was mad inside.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
I was hurt, and I stayed up in the fellowship
with the passage because I didn't want to go back
to my room and sulk in my own sort rows.
And they said this a lady down the stairs waiting
to see you. The service was over and the fellowship
was over, the passage starting to leave. I was trying
to wait her. I thought she'd give up and leave,

(01:08:20):
And when I finally came down the steps, she was there,
and she was just a willery bit of a woman,
and she said, bits your jaggs. She said, uh, I've
been in the hospital. She said, I was pregnant in

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my fallopian twos.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
And the baby died in my twobs and I was
carrying around a dead baby, and the toxicity from the
baby almost killed me. Wow. And she said, the only
thing that kept me alive was here you preach.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
She said, if you hadn't been preaching to me every day,
I swear I would have died.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
And then she looked at me and she said, it's
for us. It's not for them, It's for us. It
hit me so hard. I didn't even get her name.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
I got in the car and cried all the way
back to my room because she reminded me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Why I was there. I just left last week when

(01:10:08):
I text you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
I was up in Baltimore in DC and I was
doing the book signing and this woman came up to
the table to buy sore.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
She said, you don't remember me, do you. I said no.
She didn't even look like the same person. She's all
dressed up a gain weight. She felt us when she
said I met you in the bottom of Dottimyir's church
years ago, and I burst into tears. I lost it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
I stopped the signing and I jumped up in the heart.
If it were not for that woman.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
When you talk about what it costs, I'm gonna going
to my southern stuff now, child.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Simply everything what being a public figure does to you.
Everybody has an opinion about everything. What you wear, whether
you shave your head or not, what you look like,
you gain weight, your fat. I mean, they say anything
to you, and what has to happen to survive it.
You have to get tougher, not meaner, tougher, tougher.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
What's the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Means when you lash back? Because in a fight like that,
if God would turn me loose, yo, I felt something
right there. If God would turn me loose, I could
hold my own. I could hold my own in a
street fight. I go, oh, hold to God, who halloe Louja.

(01:11:55):
I gotta say it myself.

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
Sometimes I tell you, if I couldn't cleanse lettle, please
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Time, just one, just one time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Sometimes I'll type it out to delete it because I
swear I could pull a paint off the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
If you turn me loose, you should release a book things.
I almost tweeted, Yeah, it would be good.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
It'd be a best seller. It would be a bestseller.
For sure. But when I say.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Tougher your resilience and your resistance to the irrelevance of
things that have nothing to do with your destiny, our
satanic distraction, Yeah, to move you away from where God
has placed you and you can't be When I do

(01:12:44):
a passage confidence and I just do Q and A
because I like to do QNA, because I like to
talk to you, and they start asking me questions and stuff. Generally,
somewhere along the night, somebody's gonna come tell me about
churchmen or somebody who's saying something about somebody who heard
them like that. But when I'm talking to CEOs, incredibly
successful people, when I'm talking to presidents and kings from

(01:13:04):
around the world I've sat across from and talked to.
When I get a chance to be in a room
with executive and corporate executives and stars who name if
I would listen in here, everybody would know them, they're
never talking about what people said because they have developed
the toughness that it's necessary to survive.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Can I say one more thing real quick, I'm saying says.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
I took my son up to the Rock of Gibraltar.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
My baby boy was with me, and his mama, and
I took him to the Rock of Gibraltar because we
were on our way to Africa, and we stopped over
in Spain, went to the Rock of Gibraltar, and the
guy took us up to the top of the Rock
of Gibraltar, where all the battles were fought and all
of the enclaims are filled with the outposts where you

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could defend the southernmost tip of Spain before you face
the northern tip of Africa. And there, as we went up,
spiraling up to the top of the mountain, the higher
you went, there were monkeys and they were jumping all
over the cars and everything. And the God said to us,
he said, you know, in certain seasons it gets so

(01:14:20):
cold up here that when the monkeys first migrated up
here in the winter, their tails would freeze off.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
That's how cold it was, he said.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
But eventually, when they started birthing their babies, they were
born without tails because they had adapted to their environment.
That's what I mean about toughness. If you are exposed
to it long enough, you'll freeze your tail.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Tweet that everybody. So I got blessed a sore and
froze my tail off. But if you to those of you,
however you define soaring and success. Success for you might
be raising two great kids. Success for you might be
opening up a spa. Success for you might be opening

(01:15:30):
up a home fund where mother's or it might be
a corporate office on Wall Street. If you don't freeze
your tail off, you won't be able to withstand what
success costs.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
You have to freeze your tail off.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
And I can tell that a lot of people are
not really See when I first start writing this book,
I thought I was writing that entrepreneurship was about a
business and a company and an address and a location
and getting a building or a facility or starting an
ecorp from your laptop or.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
Something like that. But when I got to writing it,
while I was writing it, now, when I started while
I was writing, I realized it was a mindset.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
It's a mindset. It's it's it's it's it's the way
you think about things. It's it's it's taking control of
your destiny. See if I come to work for you,
and I would if I come and work for you,
you wouldn't Oh yeah, I would. I come to teach you.
A sudden streak. Yeah, let you have the problems. You

(01:16:47):
can decide what you're gonna pay me as an employer
to an employee, but you can't decide how much I'm
gonna make. We have turned our income over into the
hands of somebody who has no vision for our needs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Right, Okay, you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Can pay me whatever you think I'm whatever you think
the job is worth, but you can't pay me what
I'm worth. You can't afford me. So I can have
all of these multiple streams of income to subsidize your limitations. Right,
Because if I have an entrepreneurial spirit, I am not

(01:17:30):
limited like an eglet to waiting for the mother bird
to drop food in my mouth. Being an entrepreneur means
that I have lifted up into the air and found
my own wings.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
You know, I'm so glad you said that, because I
don't think you're talking about claiming our rights as much
as taking responsibility for our own lives.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Absolutely. You know what's funny. You know what's funny about
this conversation is this is exactly how we talk on
the phone. Most of the time. It's text, and he
will text something that makes me get comport tunneled trying
to text back to it, because it will be this long,
exhausting book that I've got to send back to this
answer because he thinks so deep. You can tell how

(01:18:17):
deep a person thinks about how they talk. He thinks
so deep in this And so you're just over. You're
just easdropping tonight on a conversation we would have whether
you were there or not.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
Do you like it? But I'm just this is how
we do it. This is how we do it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
I'm like, it's about taking control of outcomes. It's about
not allowing your destiny to be controlled by your circumstances
or your situation. Is it about getting a vision for
where you want to be in your life with your family,
with your children, and setting a goal and dropping off
things that are not relevant to where you are trying
to go, oh, so that you can focus on what

(01:19:02):
is necessary, so that you can have some spoils to divide,
so that you can send your kids to a college,
so that you can figure out where you want to
live when you're old, and how you want to die.
This is not about diamonds and gold and rolls races,
unless that's what your vision is. This is about choosing

(01:19:22):
where you want to go. If it's a cottage in
the hills of West Virginia in a long cabin and
you want to die with chickens in your backyard, that's
your business.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
It's your life. It's your business. It's your business, it's
your thing. Do what you want to do. That's what
this is about. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
So so when you now, whenever preachers start talking about
anything other than preaching religious people just.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
What they do.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
That, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
But let me tell you something. The reason I must
do this because I serve a people who have a
prayerless full of things that God doesn't do. Half of
the things they're asking God to do is tables and chairs,

(01:20:22):
and He does trees. If they could catch what I'm
talking about, we could go to praying about stuff that
really matters, about the kingdoms of this world becoming the
kingdoms of our God and others Christ. We can start
praying about North Korea and what's going on over there
in the mid We can start praying about things that
would change the world, about cleaning up the air and

(01:20:43):
cleaning up the water and leaving this planet better than
we found that. We can start praying about things that
would change the world the way we interact with people.
We can start praying about things that brought flack out
of people's arms and delivered them and check them priests
and set them on the street called scrape.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
I'm tired of praying about player and house pavents and
cars and school peels and college tuition. God doesn't do that.
You do that.

Speaker 9 (01:21:17):
Let's sore, Let's salm spreads of ways. It's time to soar.
It's time to sorm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
How believe I can touch the sky?

Speaker 6 (01:21:35):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Sendon? Think about it every night and day?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Stemawi said, fly away, We're gonna get in trouble. How
believe I can.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
Come up to the open door? You go on through
the open door?

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
I'm in a run?

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Do you really nice a loss? You really believe it?
Howme on?

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
You saying nice?

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
Salon? There? I'll say this when I know it's time
to go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Well, I was gonna say, I don't know. I don't
know what your schedule is like. I don't want you
to become an entrepreneur by accident, by staying too late,
missing work and then needing to start your own company.
But but no, I feel like one thing I really
wanted to make sure that you that you talked about
is the cost of hesitation because this is a this

(01:22:47):
is a very tactical book. Oh your stage. Yeah, we
won't be much longer. And want to thank again everybody
who's online, and want to encourage everybody to get the
book because I think you'd be surprised. You know, Bishop
Jake's is in Ninja and so it's from uh laughing
about oreos and uh I even brought some oreos. Yeah,

(01:23:13):
because there's.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
Hundred joke spread wings, spread wings.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
But you know there's there's the example of innovation you
talk about. I love this line. Innovation isn't just changing
the flavorites, changing the form whatever. That's so good you
just say stuff like that, Like that would take me
thirty more years to think of that line. And it's
just as well. But but but what I wanted to

(01:23:50):
mention is these are so many tools. It's very tactical
on one level, very inspirational, a lot of great inspiring pros,
and then get into some things that will really help
you to do it in real life and not just you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Know, yeah, I want to see your business plans.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
I wanted to get into grants and foundations and concepts
and real meaty stuff that I don't get to get
into on Sunday. It's in the because because because this
is something that we do in church that I think
is dangerous. We inspire people right every Sunday morning, trying

(01:24:29):
to we inspire them everything.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
Oh, I see you do it. Don't try to wiggle
out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
But if we inspire people, we don't inform them for Monday,
then they'll just come on Sunday to get high.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
And I thought, I need a way to get beyond preaching.

Speaker 7 (01:24:52):
Everything's gonna be all right, it's gonna be all right.
Every Sunday is gonna be all right. It's gonna be
all right. And show you how to make it all right.
So you how to make it all right?

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
Yell.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
You talked about the cost of hesitation. You can't understand
hesitation if you don't understand rhythm. I thought, I never
thought I was going to be a preacher. I was
going to be a musician. I started playing the piano.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Want it's hard for us to believe that you never
thought you'd be a preacher. And then one time you
said that you didn't ever felt like you were a
good preacher.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
Sto, Lord, No, that's why I pre so hard because
I didn't think I was very good.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
I said, well, at least.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Be hard, you know you, I made me cry when
I heard you say that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
By the way, the lord.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Gifted cannot see it. See I can see him, I
can see you, I can see the lights, I can
see the carpet, I can see the table, I can
see the wolf. The only thing I cannot see in
the room is me. And when you are gifted, you are,
when you are truly gifted, you are blind to yourself.

(01:26:00):
So it makes you ask questions like who do men
say that I am? You're vulnerable to the voices around you,
and you have to be careful who you have around you,
cause you you can walk off a stage and wanna
slit your wrist cause you can't see whether you had
any effect at all.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
Right, that's the truth. And be careful who you have around.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
You because they reflect, they become a mirror, and if
the person around you has an agenda, they'll distort the image.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Of who you are. But anyway, you you understand what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
So I was thinking, you know, uh, this this watch
I got home is is turning uh around and around
for time. It's imitating the solar system, cause everything is turning.
We don't feel it, but the earth is turning, it's

(01:26:54):
moving around. The sun is moving. Everything's moving, everything is moving.
When I went to the whaling wall in Jerusalem, the
rabbi stood at the whaling wall and they were rocking
back and forth because they understood that in order to
reach God.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
It's a symbol of understanding movement.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
That blood is moving through my body while I'm sitting here,
it's moving, it's moving, it's moving. If I have an emergency,
they fill my pulse. A pulse is a rhythm, a rhythm,
a rhythm. Everything is a beat. Is a rhythm, is
a rhythm, and the rhythm determines days and evenings and
seasons and suns. It's a rhythm. It's a rhythm. It's
a rhythm. Everything is a rhythm. And when Christ came,

(01:27:38):
he came in rhythm. In the fullness of time, and
the fullness of time, it comes in a rhythm. Everything's
stunning in a rhythm. So God said, if the day
you hear my voice, do it in the rhythm heart,

(01:27:58):
not your heart, because there is no guarantee that you
can do later. What you can do today, you got
to do it in a rhythm. You got to do
it in a rhythm. When you hesitate, you break the rhythm.
It's the same thing that a nurse is feeling for

(01:28:19):
when she grabs your risk. She's checking the rhythm. The
rhythm is a sign of your health. If the rhythm
is off, the heart is off. If the heart is
off beat bad enough, they have to do something to
it to get it back to its rhythm, because it
being out of rhythm affects everything else in the body.

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If we didn't have our children when we had our children,
at the time we had our children, we would have
broke the rhythm. Everything has to be done in a rhythm.
Business has to be done in a rhythm. A woman's
body operates in a rhythm. Before we had all of
this fancy stuff. People control childbirth by rhythms and cycles
and systems. And that's why the woman so akin to

(01:29:00):
the heart of God, because she has cycles, and cycles
are systems, and cycles reflect the universe.

Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
And God is a god of rhythm.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
And everything is spoken when God said, let there be everything,
start beating and beating and beating in a rhythm.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
And God is a god of rhythm. And if you're
gonna walk with God, you have to catch this rhythm.
And when you hesitate, you break the rhythm. You understand
what I'm saying, There is nothing worse than dancing with
somebody who don't have. There's nothing worth It makes you

(01:29:38):
want to back off the stage, by the way, says,
it looks like they're dancing to the words, not the beat,
the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat,
the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat,
the beat, the beat, the beat, beat the beat, the beat,

(01:30:03):
the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
Don't hesitate, you break the rhythm, and what would have
flowed is now off.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
The enemy comes to break the rhythm.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
So when you talk about hesitation, you're really talking about Satan,
because he's a rhythm breaker. He can't stop God from
gifting you, calling you, blessing you.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
He cannot. He cannot even curse you because God has
blessed you. The only way he can sabotage you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Is to get you to book break the rhythm. When
you do break the rhythm, you have to repent. You
have to repent not just because of sin, you have
to repent because you miss the rhythm. To do the
right thing. I'll show it to you this way.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
Yeah. Samuel lays down on the bed and he says,
and he hears a voice say Samuel, and he gets up.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
It wrongs to Eli. He said, did you call me?
Eli says I called He not lay down again. He
lays down again, Samuel, He goes Eli, did he call
it the third time? Eli perceived that the Lord has
called it? He has missed the rhythm three times, he says,

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But this time when you lay down, say to him God,
if you call me again, I'm ready. Somebody in here.
You've missed the rhythm. There are some things that should
have happened five years, ten years, three years, six months ago.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
Do you hear what I'm saying to you? But all
hope it's not lost.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Go back and laid out again, and say, if you
called me again, if you just give me one more chance.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
I won't go to flesh. I won't go to Eli,
I won't go to humanity. I won't go to my
fear or my doct or my shame. If you just
called me again, give me.

Speaker 6 (01:32:46):
One more chance.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
This time, Lord, whoo whoo.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
There is a timing factor on everything, and every time
we break a rhythm, it has consequences. Can I show
you one thing? Is it kind of shocking, but I'm
gonna throw it out here. God did not intend for
us to reproduce in our old age children because he

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wanted us to be here long enough to take care
of them. So when God gets ready to shut down
the factory, he's shutting down the factory so that the
child will not be uncovered. Now, through medicine, we have
jimmied the lock and broke the rhythm.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
So that you can be an eighty year old man
and have a two year old son.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Now you might have a lot of fun, but in
breaking the rhythm, the sun pays the consequence because by
the time he figures out what to ask you. That's
the problem with rhythm. It's not just about you. Everything
else is depending on the beats. Everything around you is

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affected by the beat. And even though you can create
things that will break the rhythm for your own pleasure
and so doing, you run the risk of creating someone
else's calamity. Because the rhythm was developed so that everything
starts at a certain time, everything goes down at a

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certain time. Because God is not just looking at you,
it's for us. For us, it's for us when God
gives you your next opportunity. Move.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
Move.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
If the woman with the issue of blood had hesitated,
she would have bled to death because Jesus was not
coming to her.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
He was passing by.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Rhythm, rhythm, rhythm, rhythm, rhythm.

Speaker 5 (01:35:08):
And she says, if I can just catch the meat,
if I can just got weak. But if I can
just if I can just catch the meat, it's going
to take all of my strength to get in there.
But I gotta catch you because he's not breaking his rhythm.
He's not breaking his rhythm. He's still moving. I got
to catch his rhythm. So she had to crawl to
catch his rhythm. She said, But if I can just
catch his rhythm, the miracle is in the rhythm. And

(01:35:29):
so she had to crawl and about said she pressed
her way, and the way she did it and got
up to speed is said. She kept encouraging herself. If
I can just touch, or if I can just touch,
if I can just touch, if I can just catch
his rhythm, I'll be made home blind. Battle Mass was
sitting by the highwayside, beggar, let me start all the stuff.

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There is one thing I know we're running out of time,
but I want to They said, no, no, I was
on a flight.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
They got stuck on the runway. And I tell you,
we sat on the runway so long that it took
all the scriptures I could think of. Now, I tried

(01:36:24):
to talk to myself. I said, you were sitting at
the house, and then you got in the car and
you were sitting in the car, and they drove you
to the airport, and you were sitting in the airport,
and now you're sitting on the plane. Why are you
so irritated? You're gonna sit anyway? And I said, when

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you if the plane were to take off, you ti'll
be sitting. And when you landed, you go getting the
car so you could sit. And you get in the
car and sit in the car so you can go
to the hotel and sit. So why do you mad about?
I think my frustration was I was sitting in a
place of movement. The agony of life is to sit

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in a place of movement. You spoke a hesitation. But
the word that leaked in my spirit that I wanted
to leave with you is frustration. I think that there
are people in this room who are frustrated and you're

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trying to make yourself feel content, and you feel guilty
that you're not content, and you said I ought to
be thankful for what I have, And like me, you're
trying to use rationale to put up with a situation
that you're not called to. And what keeps needling you
is I belong up there, and yet I'm stuck.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Right here.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
And there you are in a place of movement, watching
other people take off.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
And wondering what in the world is wrong? And you're
ring the bell and say, what excuse me? We've been sitting.
We're out of peanuts, they don't have no more dyet coke,

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and the potato chips are stale? Can we go?

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
That frustration is God nudging you that he has placed
you in a position of and if you are not moving,
something is broken. And I want you to understand this.
There are people who stay on the ground and they're

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happy to be there because they never imagine themselves in
the air.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
But you are not one of them. You are not
one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
You go to the airport with people who love you,
but when you get to the checkout point, they can't
go beyond it because if you don't have a ticket.
You can't go beyond that point. Some folks you have
to leave behind that you love because they have not
paid the price to go into the next dimension. You

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understand what I'm saying. Don't you get on the runway
now and get stuck on the runway and tell yourself
it's all right. It's not all right, because you belong
in the air, whatever that air is, and.

Speaker 5 (01:40:15):
I want it to write.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
You know, when you get about my age, you get
all nostalgic and stuff, and you want to leave something
behind that matters. I didn't want to be one of
those people who flew and never taught flight. Wow, most
of the people I've seen whoever did anything, never told
anybody how they did it. And I thought, since I

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got here by God's grace, I promised him everything you
teach me, I'll teach it everything you showed me.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
I'll show it. Everything I'll learn. I'll pass on to
somebody else.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
There's somebody watching on the campus, or streaming, or sitting
in the balcony or sitting out here in front of.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
Me right now. You got a dream, you got a vision.
I won't lie to you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
It's gonna cost you everything you are hurt in places
you didn't know you could hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
And you have a thousand chances to give up, but
don't do it. Keep on moving.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Yeah, I tried to leave some tips about who you
need around you so that you can pick your associates
more carefully, because it does have something to do with
your success.

Speaker 5 (01:41:28):
I tried to speak to your need to have a
rhythm so that you cannot lounge around here and let
this moment pass you by. You are not as young
as you think you are. You don't have as long
as you think you have. It takes longer to settle
something big than you think. Y'all. You're thinking in days,

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I'm talking in decades. You don't have many. If you
don't do it now, you'll never do it because you
may not ever see that cycle come back again.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
The only reason Saul wanted to kill Daisy is that
he was mad cause he missed his turn.

Speaker 5 (01:42:21):
Yeah, touch everybody you can reach and tell him, do
not miss your turn?

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Did some fedj ex?

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Everybody? Would? Y'all do me one favor.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
When you go to work, or you go home, or
you go in the mall, or you go someplace and
you run into somebody who heard this or read the
book or followed the study guide. Incidentally's out in Spanish
as well, and you run into another eagle somewhere at
the checkout count.

Speaker 5 (01:43:38):
Just look at them and go, don't know what you mean?
Thank you know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
He us.

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
Do good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
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