Bishop T.D. Jakes - How To Build Your Vision From The Ground Up _ Q&A x Steven Furtick

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for tuning into our channel.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today, we want to share an exclusive interview that Pastor
Stephen did with Bishop TD Jakes on an entrepreneurship and leadership.
Thank you for joining us. We hope you enjoyed the
special presentation.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I want to read you something and this was written
by Judd Apatow. He was writing about the comedian Albert
Brooks and how he got a chance to work with
one of his heroes, and just a couple sentences, but
he said something that I would love to say about
Bishop Jakes before he comes.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
And he said.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
In your dreams as a young guy, you imagine your
heroes to be one thing, and then you get a
chance to work with one of them, and he's actually
even better. He said, deep down, all comedy nerds hope
that at the end of our lives we will have
made one movie as good and true as Albert Brooks's
best movies.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'll modify that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Deep down, all preachers and leaders hope that at the
end of our lives we will have preached one sermon. Yeah,
that's good and true as Bishop td Jake's worse sermon.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Would you put her hands together?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Elevation Church and welcome to the stage bing the.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Only visit of TD Jacks.

Speaker 6 (01:40):
I don't know how we're supposed to do this, but
I want to tell you right off the bat, this
is my Stephen Ferdy cot Fit.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Okay, this is me trying to be fool like my pastor.
Could I be pretty good?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Cool man? So I inspired you?

Speaker 7 (02:02):
You inspired me?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Can we call it even now for all of the.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Stuff I've ripped off from you over the years that the.

Speaker 7 (02:08):
Only problem is my thought can't breathe.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
That's some problem. So if we see you leaning over.

Speaker 7 (02:18):
Yeah, I need an EMT for my knees. But I'm good.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Woo.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
You can't dance on these things, man, you can't. You know,
you just got to jump up and down?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Can you soar?

Speaker 7 (02:33):
I can soar in them? I can sor in them.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
How would you like to hear Bishop TD Jakes and
Pastor Stephen Fredick Singh.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I believe I can fly by R Kelly, I.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Do that agenda Centeractive Experience? Is that something you might
be interested in? All the millennials are like, are what?

Speaker 7 (02:56):
Yeah? Yeah, I know right?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Maybe you would do that at the end.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
No, do you like that song?

Speaker 7 (03:01):
Yeah? I like the song?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
What are some songs that you like to listen to?
Bishop jakeson don't get played in church?

Speaker 7 (03:06):
That don't get played in church? Who cut the cameras?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh you guys can be seated for hanging out now,
they're so exciting.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
I like Luther Vandros. I like Anita Baker. You know,
you know, I like lesser known but extremely talented. It's
Kiko Matsui. Kiko Matsui is a Japanese jazz pianist. Said
it's absolutely out of this world. And I listened to
her this evening before I came over here, so i'd
have my international flavor. Yeah. So I like all kinds

(03:41):
of music. I like classical music. I like gospel music,
of course. I like just about every kind of every journey,
even some country. I go country on you every now
and then.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
The greatest rock and roll band of all time.

Speaker 7 (03:54):
Oh god, now I'm in trouble now. I don't go
rock and roll.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
So it's funny. I grew up in the Jimmy hendricks
ere so you know, you know anybody you Jimmy Hendry No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
big poster of him on the wall. My life's ambition
was to have his affro. I had women's braiding my
hair till my eyeballs up like this, trying to get
my hair to grue. It never happened. I didn't get

(04:19):
here till the Jerry Curl. Know nothing about the Jerry yes, sir,
I do.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I mean not from personal experience. I've seen pictures.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
You've seen pictures of him. Well, when I used to
pre jers ago, I wore Jerry curl and I had
a towel around my neck. And when I got to
really preach it, do you see the pictures and something, Yeah,
and the Jerry craw the juice would fly across the
front eye and everybody gets slain in the spirit. Those
were the days when the poirate God was funny.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Is that the secret?

Speaker 7 (04:53):
That's the secret. You gotta get a curl.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I'm in trouble, so excited about this new book, so
excited to talk.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
To you about it tonight.

Speaker 7 (05:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I've been reading it. It's kind of weird, though.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I had to do my research to interview you, and
so I put in Amazon because the book is subtitled
Build Your Vision from the ground Up and focuses on
leadership entrepreneurship. So I put entrepreneur in Amazon Search and
over fifty six thousand results.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Wow, over fifty six thousand results.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
And then I put in leadership over two hundred and
fifty seven thousand results.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Amazing, which made me.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Wonder from my first official question of the interview, what
was missing from the conversation that made you want to
add your voice?

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Timing What we need depends on where we are in
the history of this country. The topography of this country
has changed in terms of how we make a living
quite a bit. From agricultural we went through that phase
to industrial age to the information age that we're currently

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in right now, and people have had to retool themselves
in order to keep up with trends they didn't choose.
Now we're in an area where people of my generation
send our kids to school because we train them to
think a job. And we said, if you go to
school and you get a good education, you're going to

(06:30):
come out and you're going to get a great job.
And that was true when I was coming up, but
that's not true today.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
Today. You can yeah, am I right about it?

Speaker 6 (06:39):
Today you can go to school, you can get a
great education and come out with a good bill. A
whole lot of debt and end up working at burger King.
Nothing against burger King, but.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
How do I have to be careful brother? Like we
get sued on the regular.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
The question then becomes, how do we, with our education
and our disappointment, living in our mother's house, sleeping on
the couch, eating cereal at noon, retool ourselves so that
we can be functional in the twenty first century. I
listen to the argument that our country's having right now,

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it's hard to listen to. But beneath all of the chatter,
the red belt states and the inner cities are crying
about the same thing, the lack of opportunity, and we're
looking to the White House to solve the problem. And
the reality is that's not going to happen. That's not

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going to happen, and we need solutions. And this goes
beyond we like to talk in term. We have nice
terms for it. Us really black and white, you know,
herb and Red Belt stations, really black folks, white folks.
But now we're both getting broke, okay, which is a

(08:13):
scary situation. And you've got smart, bright, gifted, talented people
who can't find an opportunity. Also in our community and
even in other communities, you have this dilemma of people
who made mistakes when they were young. It's some criminal
justice issue, and twenty five years later they can't get
a job or a place to stay, right.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
That's a real problem.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
So rather than to go get a job, I thought
it was important to talk about being a job, you know, yeah,
about being a job, about hiring yourself, about the opportunities
that exists to create your own reality, your own business,
your own company, to be the CEO of you.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
And I think it surprises a lot of people to
hear you talk like that who are only familiar with
you as a preacher. I mean, there's no doubt, Okay,
when I go to preach for Bishop Jakes, I've had
the privilege to do it three times. I think I
spend as long trying to figure out what I want
to say in my introductory remarks to honor him because

(09:23):
of what he's meant to me as I do on
my message, and I never can quite find the words.
But the last time I think I was with you,
I gave you a nickname.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I don't know if you remember.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I called you the Slasher, and I called you that
because I called it that because no matter what title
someone would put with the name TD Jakes, they would
have to put.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
A slash after it.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
So you're a pastor slash author New York Times bestselling
multiple number one seven and ninety three weeks authored, producer,
slash record label executive, slash, philanthropist, slash father, slash husband,

(10:08):
slash slash I call him slasher, probably the first time
you've ever been called that.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
That got me an FBI investigation. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
At the heart of at the heart of that nickname, though,
is a lot of admiration. I wonder when did you
decide not to be limited by one title or one function.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
I never knew that the way people described you would
become a prison until they did it. When I met me,
I was not a preacher, so I didn't know that
they would incarcerate me with the title. You are at

(10:53):
your best when you are authentic to your core, and
you have to be what you are what they call you.
Sometimes you understand what I'm saying. Sometimes people will call
you a name and you start living up to the name,
and it limits you from what else God wants to
do in your life. You know, And by the way,

(11:18):
I get a lot of credit for inventing this, but
the credit is really misplaced because when you think of
the Apostle Paul, he was a writer. He was a thinker,
respected by the thinkers of his age at a time
when there were profound thinkers in Paul's known for his
ability to be progressive intellectually. He was a speaker, He

(11:42):
was a writer, He was a tent maker. He was
able to influence a Quilla and Priscilla not because of
his preaching, but because of his business. They shared the
same business, and out of that business, influence and affluence
of relationship emerged that affected the kingdom. When you look Jesus,
who was a carpenter's son, and later they called him

(12:03):
a carpenter, he who handled would end up nailed to
a tree. And what happens in life as we evolve
as a person, we cannot allow ourselves to be incarcerated
by anything that people would describe us with because we
limit then what the Holy Spirit can do in your life.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
You know what I'm saying. I did. Let me jump
ahead and say this one quick think.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
I think if Jesus had come in our day, he
would have been a filmmaker. But because they didn't have films.
He told parables. But if you think about it, parables
are movies made the words. If he were to come today,
he would have done films. Imagine how that would look

(12:51):
like today. Most of what we call church we would
have to teach Jesus. Jesus never saw an usher. He
never saw a greeting committee. Jesus never saw a choir.
Jesus never met a deacon. Jesus never had a board.

(13:13):
Jesus never had a whole lot of things that we
would have to go through and say, now, Jesus, don't
sit over there, that's the reserve section. And and Jesus,
when when you get ready to leap and fringer up
about you know we would we we these accruitments and
attach itself to religion often block our view from revelation. Yeah,

(13:37):
and uh, because I was I was raised by dying father,
born in between two dead babies. I really value the
preciousness of life. The baby before me died and the
baby after me died, and my mother clutched to me
as only a mother can who has lost a child,

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And and an appreciation for the you of life, and
a refusal to allow anybody to take away the great
privilege of being alive. I will think for myself. I
will move in my own direction. You can say whatever
you want to say about it, but I'm gonna be me.
You see what I'm saying. Yeah, At the core of everything,

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Sore is saying, don't be limited. Don't put a period
because you did one thing that you can't do something else,
that you can't be, something else, that you can't evolve
as an individual, that you can't.

Speaker 7 (14:32):
Explore other idioms of thought. You know, let me show
up because I get to talking about talking. That's great.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I want to dig deep into that because the arc
of your teaching and one of the most influential messages
that I've received from you is get out of your
comfort zone.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean, if you open your mouth.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Some version of that's going to come out, maybe from
the Old Testament or maybe from a chicken. You know,
there's some way that you're going to tell me get
out of your comfort zone. I wondered, though, because I've
also heard you teach so much about your capacity that
each person has a God given capacity. For the person

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who is trying to decide who am I?

Speaker 7 (15:18):
What can I do?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't know yet. I haven't tried yet. I think
I know what I have. I don't know if I
have it or not.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
How do we know the.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Difference between staying in our comfort zone versus going beyond
our capacity.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
You're only measured in terms of success by his investment.
In terms of contribution, if he gave one man one talent,
another man two talents, and another man five talents, he
didn't expect the man with one talent to produce ten,
but at least give me two. The man who had
two talents came back with four. The man with five

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talents came back with ten. The man with two talents
came back with four. The man with five came back
with ten. And those are the same things. That's one
hundred fold. The man with one came back with nothing. Now,
the apostle Paul says that when we compare ourselves with
one another and so doing it is not wise because
we don't have the same starting place. So if I'm

(16:15):
going to make success predicated on what my neighbor had,
that is only fair if I started with what my
neighbor started with.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Let me ask this, what if I'm not clear about
what I started with? Because I've heard you do this
thing before too. Okay, The advantage I have interviewing you
is I have a library of things that you've said.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I don't think there's no.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
Yeah, so I'm scared to death.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
But you do this thing, all right.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I saw him do this thing at a preacher's conference
once and he said, I won't I won't imitate your voice.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
He has this really intense mode.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
There's there's a wide open and Bishop Jakes, and then
there's a very intense, very it's it's it's many gears,
but it's equal intensity, and it's terrifying. But it was
a it was a it was a pretty a pretty
big moment. And you you say, there's nothing that I
have that you don't have. I have one mouth, you

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have one mouth. I have two ears, you.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Have two ears. And you know how descriptive he is.
He went all the way to the toenails.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
And I'm just being honest, Bishop, respectfully, I was thinking,
that's not true.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
You have this mind and this ability and this voice.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Even as a preacher who admires you so much, there's
a part of me that goes. I know the point
is that God has given each of us a calling,
but I think a lot of us when we hear
about the parable of the talents, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, do I have one?

Speaker 7 (17:51):
Do I have two?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Do I have five?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I don't want to get out there and do something
stupid that I wasn't meant to do.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
But I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
You're really hitting on something first. I am in touch
with myself in a way that a lot of people
are not.

Speaker 8 (18:05):
I know me.

Speaker 7 (18:07):
I dated me, so it's funny, but it's true. I've
dated me. I know me.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
You know, when you date somebody, you explore them to
see who they are. Most people are so busy dating
other people they never dated themselves.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
When God says to Adam, the very first command God
says to Adam is to be fruitful. You can only
be fruitful if you are seedful. So we're talking about
the difference between fruit and seed. Identifying your seed is
what causes you to be fruitful. The first revelation of

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seeds should happen in your family. You should have parents
who are looking at their kids looking for seeds.

Speaker 7 (18:58):
I'm gonna give you my grandbaby story. You asked for
what you're gonna get it. You're just gonna get it.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
So we're in my church and it's star and my
grandbaby's in there, and a bunch of friends are in there,
and we're taking pictures and I can't find the light,
and you know, the lights are complicated and I can't
figure out how to turn all this stuff on, and
so we're trying to get some pictures. And so my
grandbaby ran and she says, wait a minute, Paul, I'm
going to get a flashlight. She went up under the
pew where we have hidden flashlights, snatched down a flashlight

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and brought it over and said, now take the picture.
And so I said to her, I said, baby, don't
you want to be Kinsey. Don't you want to be
in the picture. She said, no, I don't want to
be in the picture. I want to hold the light.
That's the seed right there. That's the seed right there.
So we came back to the house and I was
getting ready to take a picture and I'm trying to

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keep up with you millennials. You know, it's so hard,
and I was trying to take a selfie and I
was trying to I got a timer, you know where
you can buck them to the you know, you know,
if you fall on Instagram, you know this is true.

Speaker 7 (20:02):
And so I couldn't get my phone to sit up.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
And she went and got some books and propped it up,
and I said, I told my daughter, I said, put
her in leadership classes, put her in management classes.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
She's a problem solver.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
That starts early, early, early.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
Her instinct in the situation is to solve the problem.
She says, I don't want to be in the picture.
I want to hold the light. Those are seeds directing
that child toward an area where you can cultivate what
God has planet down inside of them. Is important. It's very,
very important. There are people in this room that have

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dormant seeds laying inside of them that if they get
in the right atmosphere, they're going to turn into things
you have never seen before. They didn't always have the
benefit of parents who could see it, or had time
to see it, or knew how to see it. But
even as adults, there are still seeds down in you
that have not been touched yet. That's what happened to Eliza.

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He was fulfilling his parents' vision, plowing in the field.
That boy wasn't no farmer just because you can run
a plow, doesn't mean you're a farmer. But sometimes we
get stuck in what people expect, right, and we never
found out who we are because we're living somebody else's dreams.

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And so there he is plowing in the field, doing
what his daddy wanted, going around and saying, I guess
this is all life has for me. And he's going
around and around the circle like many people are listening
to me right now. You go to work, go to church,
go home, go to work, go to church, go home,
go to work, go to church, go home. You're plowing
around around the circle. Until Elijah passed by him, and
then he was exposed to something. The moment he was
exposed to something greater, he dropped something lesser.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Do you understand what I'm saying, Donna.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
That's why conversations like this are important, because really I'm
not throwing seeds. I'm throwing fertilizer, And if it hits
the seed, it's going to give birth to companies and
businesses and books and artistry and drama and all kinds
of stuff that's in this room that people never have

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given themselves permission to burn their plow.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
Yeah, that's what this book is all about best. It
is about I'm not.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
Against people working a job, but we have entrepreneurs in
a job and you're frustrating the company and you.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Nobody likes you.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
They don't like you.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Let me ask you this because.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Because you're scared of what I've read is that.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I just think that's a very tweetable moment. They don't
like you at Bishop Jakes, so true, they don't like you.
Touch your neighbor and say they don't like you. No,
I just want to clarify because it seems like entrepreneur
is an entrepreneur is a trendy.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Title these days.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Hear it more and more. It's not a weird thing anymore.
It's kind of sexy to post, you know, on my
grind And you know, what do you think about that? Bishop,
because I would imagine that generationally, I know enough about
how you grew up, maybe people would like to hear
a little bit about what it means to you. What's
the essence of entrepreneurship to you, your value system versus

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how you see it being portrayed culturally now, especially in
a younger generation.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Well, most of.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
The time today, when people say they're on their ground
they overslapt, their laying on the counter and cereal.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
That's what it means.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah, that's what it means today. That is not what
it meant in my day, and that is not what
makes people successful.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
I have had.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
I have to be careful about even going down this road.
I have been so blessed to get in the room
with some of the most incredible people on the planet.
I had lunched the other day with the CEO of
AT and T and we sat for hours and hours
talking and interacting with each other and became friends. Last Sunday,

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I was invited to Oprah's house as she launched her book,
and I've seen her behind the scenes and seen how
she operates.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
Who she is and what she does.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Pretty nice place.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Instead of burning my blow when I came home, I
started to burn down my house. I said, I'll set
it a fire there insures.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
And pay for it.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
I've seen people who were on their grind. I've seen
Steve Harvey's on this grind. I've seen people on their grind.
What on the grind really is is a work ethic
that would blow your mind. It would blow your mind.
I'm sixty years old and everybody who works for me.
Is younger than me, and they'll tell you, I'll work
you up under the table. I'll work you up under

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the table.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Where does that come from?

Speaker 7 (25:15):
My father?

Speaker 6 (25:17):
My father, absolutely, my father is weird. Let me tell you,
this chair is about to break. My father sitting here
and my mother is sitting here, and they're fighting for
the mic from moment to moment. My grandmother talks to
you every now and then. All of my ancestors are
sitting on this table, all the way back to Nigeria.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
All of them, my.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Ancestors were Ebos from Nigeria, and Ebos are called black Jews.
That they're industrious, that they go after things, that they're
hardworking people. So all the way back in my DNA,
we were self sufficient. And all of them are sitting here,
folks who name I can't even call. So what we're

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talking about is culture, okay, and not racial culture, family culture.
Where the demonstration of what my father decided what grinding was.
You weren't grinding til Daddy said you were grinding. Take
your hands out of your pocket, boy, like you got
a million dollars in your pocket. They trained us not

(26:24):
to be lazy. They talked about lazy, like it was
a disease.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I mean, like the worst thing you could do.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
It was the worst thing you could be, you know.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
And two things to this day, I shouldn't say that
in your church. I can say this about your So
I'm say in your church, and I'm gonna let you
figure out all the.

Speaker 7 (26:43):
Man you get.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
Two things to this day I cannot stand is a
stinking woman and a lazy man.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
Well like that.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Agreement with May, I bet my sister got to think
a bad Praise God. My sister got to she got
to throw some water here and there. I ain't talking
about baptism.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
I'll give a.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
Brother a pass on the smelling good if he works hard.
But don't tell me you're on the grind. And you're
and you're not really on the grind. Here's the problem.
The Bible said, Benjamin Jacob was dying, laying in the bed,
talking about father's to son. He's laying in the bed,

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he's dying, and he set up the Bible said, Israel
strengthened himself. Notice that Israel strengthened himself, set up in
the bed, and he said, Benjamin shall raven as a
wolf in the morning.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
He shall divire the prey. And in the evening he
should divide the spoils.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
Notice the time clock there in the morning, you devire
the prey while you're young.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Anything I was talking about, you see that. Imagine when
he has a steak nice across the table.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
One lady jumped back three roads just in it.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
In the morning, I see a lady really scared right here.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
My mother was a school teacher. She was dramatic. In
the morning, you should devour the prey. In the evening,
you should divide the spoils. If you don't devour when
you're young, you'll have nothing to divide.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
When you're old.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's incredible.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
I am scared to Beth the people who are young
and saying, I just can't figure it out.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
I haven't made up my mind yet. I tried that
I didn't like you.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (29:02):
Maybe I do that.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I think you better harry right.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
You better shoot something right now, because youth goes quick.
I mean like it goes like a runaway Slavey's gonna
Youth is an underground railroad here at Dubban. It can select.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so these are things I would not so you
just no.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
I had the white man's liability of turning red. See
we get embarrassing, you can't tell it. But when your
embarrassing turn red, God bless you. It's gonna be roughs tonight.
It's gonna be rough tonight. It's gonna be rough tonight.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
In the morning, hear me.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
People in the morning, devour something. Throw your whole self
at something. You'll never know what you can do and
what you can be until you throw your whole self
at it. Divii it, I mean divir it. Don't try
deviur it. Attack it, Attack it like you're gonna kill it.

Speaker 7 (30:17):
Devour the prey.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
And in the evening you divide the spoils. We have
it backwards today. We want to divide the spoils in
the morning. So we're blinging when we are to be devouring.
See see see see. Don't worry about whose name you
wear when you're young. Worry about your name. God told Abraham,

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I will make your name break. Yeah, I will make
your name break.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
There is an old.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Person down inside of you that's depending on you to
be smart. It's the person you're gonna be thirty forty
years from now. Do not disappoint that person by being
foolish through the strongest years of your life, and then
when your back is out and your knees are swollen
and you can't move around.

Speaker 7 (31:13):
Now you're out there, gonna get your grind on.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Now you you.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
It is a message you tell yourself, I'm tired. I
can't do that. I don't feel like what we become
what we say to ourselves, because you will never win.
The Olympics talked about oh no, I don't feel like
working out today, don't I don't know. I'll do it
when I feel like. If I don't feel like it,
I don't do this because I'm not into working out.

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I want to get the trophy. I want the trophy,
but I don't want to go through what it takes
to get it. You devour in the morning, you divide
in the evening.

Speaker 7 (31:51):
And if you try something that it doesn't work, it's okay,
try something else.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
If my son said to me, he said, daddy, he said,
uh my baby boy, He said, daddy, I'm going to school.
He's finishing up a four year degree in musical engineering.
He said, I think it's the thing I want to do.
But he said it the dining room paper with me.
He said but suppose I'm not suppose it's not. Suppose
I throw everything at it and it's really not the thing.

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And I leaned back over at the table and I said,
don't worry about it, son. If it is not the thing,
it will be the thing that leads to the thing.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Okay, let's go into that. What's been a.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
In your life, ministry or business? What's been a thing
that led to a thing? I love the part in
the book about viagra. By the way, it's in the book.
You have to get the book.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's just an example. You're talking about Coca cola and
other products that were discovered by accident.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
It's the idea that sometimes in doing something that fails,
you lead to something that you didn't even know that
was really the whole us all along. Absolutely all right,
So give us one, ten, twenty examples of those in
your life things that you accidentally succeeded at.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Everything in my life I stumbled into, is that right?
I stumbled into. I never thought I would be producing films.
My wife and I started out doing gospel plays and
going on tour during gospel plays. We had no intention
that we were going to ever do movies. We were
trying to do plays and trying to figure out how

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to do that right and losing and losing money. Went
to Atlanta and just lost our shirts, put up the
first play, and in the process of stumbling around, we
finally figured out how to get the play kind of
going good. And then I met this dude that I said,
let's collaborate and do it together. And the dude was
what was his name, Tyler Pierry.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I heard about him somewhere.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
Yeah, yeah, Tyler Perry was rush out of sleeping in
his car, and I was fresh out of money. And
so we got together and collaborated and did a play
called Women Are Loose, and we do it the country
during Women that Are Loose, And then we went to
la and did it and a guy named Ruben Cannon

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was in the audience. You never know who's in your audience.
Footnote to preacher, speakers, singers, anybody on the stage. Never
adjust your performance to the crowd because you never know
who's in the crowd.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
You never know.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Always respect your audience with your best performance. I don't
care if there's three people. One of those people might
change the trajectory of your life. So Ruben Cannon was
in the crowd and he saw the play and he said,
I want to make it a movie. He said, I
want to make it a movie. I didn't have Beary
in mind. I didn't have no movie.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
Monney.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Movie and money both start with an info of reason.
When you have one, you got to have the other.
But he said something to me that becomes the way
business people think. They don't fail to do something because
they don't have the money. He says, we'll raise some money,

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let's do the movie. Listen to the different attitude. I
can't do it because they don't have the money. He
doesn't see money as an issue. If you see it
as an issue, it'll be a stop sign. He said, oh,
we'll raise some money. So Cedric the entertainer and I
can't remember who all over put some money in and

(35:35):
different people put some money in it because he knew them.
Relationships are your greatest resource. People who don't like money
don't like resources because everything that's ever gonna come to
you is gonna come to a person. That's why you
got to be careful how you treat people, because it's
not guaranteed that it'll be somebody you lack your friend.

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They won't necessarily be your color, and they may not
have your theology, okay, but God may use them to
bless you. You know, the Ravens didn't go to church,
but they fed elive. So anyway, so we put the
money together, We put them, we put the money together,

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and we did this little low budget film, Women Aren't Lose,
and just on a whim, submitted it to the Santa
Barbara Film Festival and won the festival, and all of
a sudden, the movie that we were gonna put on
TV went to screen. You see how you're stumbling into it.
It's not always that you've planned it, but if you

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honor where you are with your best effort, even if
it is not it, it will lead to it. So
as you walk along, you stumble into it. I was
telling my Chuch Sunday, if you go to my stream
and stream our service Sunday, you get to see a big,
ugly six foot two man start win frim and lips

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start kremling. Got you to cry. I had no idea
when I was pastoring in Smithers forty people, fifty people. Oh,
there's West Virgina, West Virginia on Easter on Easter on
Eastern on Eastern Road on Eastern. That's counting pregnant folks

(37:28):
and dead members. We had about fifty people. I wasn't
I had no idea that the Polter's House was in me.
You stumble into it. But until you dignify the forty,
you don't get the forty thousand. The problem today is

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that people are so busy going out to the forty
thousand that they don't respect the forty. And if you
don't do your best with the forty, you won't get
to the forty thousand. All of my life I stumbled
into relationships and situations and circumstances that I had no
idea were going to happen in my life. But as
you dignify the present with your attention, yeah, I like that.

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To be present in the moment.

Speaker 7 (38:15):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
That is so important, And sometimes I have to make
myself do it because I'm such a planner. I'm so strategic.
I'm really ten years ahead of where the calendar is
right now. I'm waiting on to catch up. I got plans.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
You are so strategic. That's what blew my mind about you.
I thought you were just a cyborg before I met you.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Do you know what I mean? Though I thought you
were just set up?

Speaker 7 (38:36):
Did he cuss me?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I thought? I thought? I thought there was this force
of nature.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Bishop T. D. Jakes was a force of nature. And
some little things that I've seen, some little things that
I've noticed. There's a I thought I would use a
prop bring me that. Uh yeah, that one.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
That one.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
This is from the book I saw, Thanks Jonathan. See
he didn't want to come all the way up. He
just stopped short. Won't get blessed like that, Willie Bischel.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
You're going to come all the way all right, all
of sudden. But I love the quote in the book.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
You compare our vision to architecture and you talk about
how if you plant it with a pencil, you can
weld it with steel. And that's what surprised me about you,
because you're so gifted. There's no denying that.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
When I saw the systems, the structures, the thought process.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
That goes behind who you are, it almost made me
depressed because I realized, oh, this isn't magic. You may
have stumbled into it from one perspective, but from another perspective,
it was strategic stumbling.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
At least you were trying to do something.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
Let me interrupt you. You stumble into God gives you
an opportunity, and what you do with that opportunity is
your gift to him.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
God.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
You understand when God gives you an opportunity, instead of
just jumping on the opportunity, you're supposed to see what
it can be. I tell him all the time. You know, God,
God never made not one table.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, I love this, do this.

Speaker 7 (40:21):
This is God.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
God never made a chair in all of his years
of being God. He's never made a chair. He's never
made a table. He just made a tree, and the
rest of it was up to us. When God hands
you a tree, imagine a table, a chair, Imagine a
wall in a room, Imagine a loft cabin. Imagine what

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it can be. Imagine what it could be. Imagine what
it could be. God of mercy. If he has you
a child, imagine what it can be. If he has
you a spouse, imagine what he can be. Oh God,
I feel his power.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I feel his cousin. It was out.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
Your church is rowdy, they shout and stuff. I didn't
know that I was out.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
What did you think we did?

Speaker 7 (41:19):
Over here?

Speaker 4 (41:21):
There's this elevation in charge. Just see him at University city.
Look at university city.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
What's up? University A sit on?

Speaker 6 (41:35):
Hello.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
So I'm in South Africa.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
Now I'm on a safari and I'm really like tripping
off of this safari and I'm out here with all
of these big animals and stuff. And I noticed the
elephants moving around. The elephant is strong and he's big
and it's tough. And his powers in his weight and
he threw his weight around. He throws his weight around.
What can you do with him?

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Because he's so big. God made him big as a defense.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
The lion roars.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
When he roars, everybody is almost paralyzed in fear because
God gave him his roar as his defense. The cheetah says,
I can't roar like that, but I can run like
the wind. The cheetah he goes running through the woods
because God meet him able to run because that's his defense.
The eagle spreads his wings and swords into the air

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and says, I can't run, but I can fly.

Speaker 7 (42:32):
God let the egle be able to fly because it
was his defense.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
And I'm walking around in the jungle and I said, well, Lord,
I can't fly like the eagle. I can't run like
the cheetah. I can't roar like the lion, and I
can't throw my weight around like the elephant. What did
you give man as his defense in the whole eco
system of human of life force? What did you give me?

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He said, I gave you a brain. Brain is your defense.
That's why God didn't make chairs. He only brings it halfway.
And then lets you imagine collaboration development.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
The problem with church people is that we are taught
that God makes furniture.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
So we pray and pray and pray.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
And pray and pray and pray and pray and pray
and pray and pray. Oh I need a table. I
need a table. God, get me a table. Get me
a table either just one table. Lord, did you give
me a table? Our praises? Did you get your table outside?

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You ain't, God says, I don't do that. I make trees.
I want you to look around your life for trees,
not tables. God's gonna bring it within the reach of
your mind, and your creativity is gonna take it the

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rest of the way, and it's gonna turn into apps,
and it's gonna turn into apple phones, and it's gonna
turn the computers, and it's gonna turn into satellite systems
in the heavens.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Look at what all we were able to do.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
No other, no other creature, no other species has since
satellites up into the air, created smartphones. Look at what
we did with our head. Why are we in church
not using our head? I don't understand it. You know,

(44:45):
in my neighborhood, they got the song you know that
the young people used to sing is stated now. But
they say shake your money maker. Yeah, and they go
to a torching. You know, I ain't gonna show you.
I got a couple of movies, but I'm gonna show you.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
But they go to talk.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
And I told my church the next time you hear
that song, play your moneymaker. Don't take nothing down here,
shake this up. Heare as a man, thinkth so is
he when you start talking about the type of strategic
that I am. God gives me raw elements, and I

(45:26):
stare at them. I stare at what I've been given
like I stare.

Speaker 7 (45:31):
At a text.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
I preach the way I do not because of what
I know about the text. How long I stare at
the text, I just stare at it and stare at it.
Stare at it. I look at my life. I look
at my wife, I look at my kids, I look
at my age, I look at my stage. I look
at my influence, and I stare at it and imagine

(45:57):
what it could be. Build my strategy from my stare. See,
I don't have time to be gazing at what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
You understand, but that's not.

Speaker 7 (46:14):
Gonna help me.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
That's not in my business.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
God bless you. If I can help you, you know
I will. But I'm not over in your business. I'm
never going to be over in your business because every
time you turn around, I'm staring at mine. For this season,
for this stage, for this age in my life, what
could I do with what.

Speaker 7 (46:30):
I have left?

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Your miracle is never in what you lost. It is
always in what you have left. If you're down to
a handful of meal, that's all you need. If you're
down to two fish and five blows of bread, that's
all you need. And so when you start looking at
what you have left, stop grieving over what you lost,

(46:52):
because if you needed it, you wouldn't have lost it.
You it might only be a pot of oil, but
if it's left, miracles always in what's left. So what
can you imagine with that? That woman that powder oil
would have never done anything if you didn't pour it. Yes,
it would pour as long as there was capacity to receive.

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So when you start talking about being strategic and this
is going to help you a whole lot for me.
Once I envision where I'm going, then I can tell
what I don't need.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Talk about that.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
You see, if I packed to go on this trip
based on where I was going, I checked the weather,
I looked at the places I was going to speak,
and everything that I thought I would need for where
I was going I put in the bag. And anything
I didn't pack, No swimming trucks because I figured I
wasn't gonna need them.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
Why do I load down my bag with things I
don't need? Okay?

Speaker 6 (47:55):
I want to circumspectfully, with great precision, tailor my life
down to the things that are necessary to get me
where I'm trying to go. Stephen Mansfield, who is the
CEO of Southern Methodist Hospitals, this chain of hospitals throughout
Texas a multi billion dollar corporation. Healthcare is a business.

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He also was the former president of the Dallas Regional
Chamber of Commerce, and as he moved out of office,
I was there. Incidentally, I am the first clergy to
ever be on the executive board of the Dollars Chamber
of Commerce. And there I am on the executive board.
They control all the wealth that comes in and out
of our city, and all the planning and all the
preparations to be able to move the city of Dallas forward.

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And there I am in a room full of CEOs
and executives, and I'm listening at.

Speaker 7 (48:49):
Them talk, and I'm staring. I'm staring.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
I can tell a great preacher sitting in the crowd
by how he stares while I'm preaching. It's all in stare, brother,
I'm staring. And Stephen says something.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
He says.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
He said, all of us CEOs, no, it is not
where we're trying to go, that is the problem. You
can get great consensus from all of your staff on
the goal, and we spend all of our time talking
about the goal of where we're trying to go. He said,
But all of you CEOs, no, that's not the problem.
It is not where we're trying to go that is
the problem. It is what are you willing to leave

(49:26):
behind to get there. When he said that, I ripped
out my phone like I had to call somebody, and
I had both thumbs. I very seldom use both thumbs.
I had both thumbs. I was just up packing that
A packet at a peg is what are you willing
to leave behind if you're going to soar. If you're

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going to soar, you have to break a law to soar.
The law is the law of gravity. The Right brothers
had to figure this out that every time they tried
to go up, Isaac knew was right, something kept pulling
them down. There are people in this room that every
time they go after their dream, something keeps pulling them down.

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They want to open up a not for profit. They
want to open up a healthcare, they want to open
up a home, fun with mother, there's some lovely good things.
It's not about being rich. It's about purpose that they're
trying to do. But every time they try to do
it that something keeps pulling them down. There is a
law that always wants to pull you down. And where
you came from. You came from the dirt, and where

(50:30):
you came from will always call you back. You have
to escape the gravitational pull of where you came from.
And in order to do that, you have to break
through into a higher law. The higher law is the
law of aerodynamics, but you have to break into it.
And what I need the force for it. The reason
I need the runway to get my injines rammed up

(50:51):
is because when I come up against it. And this
is where young people make a mistake. They underestimate the
pull to fall backwards. They saw plays take off and
they said, I can do that, But they underestimate how
much force it takes to break through the gravitational pull
that brings you back down. So when they fall back down,
they give up on themselves and they stop believing themselves.

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Whereas if you would just go faster at it and
go harder at it, you would break through the law
of Gramedy. Oh halloah. Why you know, everybody has something
that's trying to pull you back to where you came from.
And so when the right brothers built the plane and

(51:32):
the book, it's built around the right brothers. So when
the right brothers built the plane, they built it and
Dayton know how, and they built it in a.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
They didn't.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
There's three old ladies over the corner there from baby
I'm teasing. I candn't even see you. But they were
in Dayton, know how, and they figured out they built
the first plane in a bicycle shop. They couldn't say
to them else, well, when I get what I need,
I'm going to build a plane. We don't have a manufacturer,

(52:05):
we don't have any biking, we don't have any money,
and by the way, we don't even have a degree.
But none of that stopped them from building. I wrote
this book to people who don't have what they need. Okay,
I didn't really write the book to big time entrepreneurs,
because all of those books you're talking about, they got them.

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I wrote this book to people with big dreams and
little resources.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
I wanted you.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
To build your plane from a bicycle shop. And then
they got it all built up and dated. And then
they figured out something. And I can cite I do
in the book. I cite examples of things that I
did that succeeded or fell off of this next thing.
They said we have to move to Kittihawk, North Carolina.

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There were two reasons. One, if it came back down,
it would fall in the brush and the landing would
be better. And the second reason was the Wind was right.
There are times you can do the right thing and
the wrong win. Okay, some of the things I tried

(53:21):
didn't work because I didn't study the trend. I studied
the plane, but I didn't sty study the trend and
the wind that's necessary. Success has a lot to do
with wind. If Colonel Sanders came along today and started
KFC today, he'd go broke, because today we're all worried

(53:43):
about you know, carbs.

Speaker 8 (53:45):
And fat grams and all of a sudden, I'm a vegetari,
you know, all of this stuff we're reading of the
labels and all of that stuff.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
But he started his business at the time that women
had just gone the work and families who are used
to home cooked meals. His business solved a problem. Does
that say that people who go into business because they
want money are apt to go out of business? Eighty
percent of the time, people who go into business who
are successful don't go into business based on their need.

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They've gone the business based on their customers' needs. If
your business or church or ministry solves a problem, it
requires less marketing.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
You don't have to talk me.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Into wanting something I need, but when I don't need it,
you got to spend a whole lot of money talking
to me into something. So you want your business to
be a solution. In fact, you want your life to
be a solution. Nobody sends for a problem. They only
send for an answer. If you're feeling lonely and you're

(54:58):
feeling rejected, figure out how you can be an answer
to somebody's problem, and they'll always invite you. Because people
invite answers, they repel problems. So when you come in
the room giving problems, it is the most unsexy thing
you can.

Speaker 7 (55:12):
Ever do in the world.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
It's true.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
Somebody far less cute can get much further than you
because they don't moan and groan and complain. Really, when
people ask you how you are doing, they don't really
want an answer.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
We're not serious.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Don't sit on that well.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
I'm doing fairly well, but but lee is hurting, and
my back has been hurting from time to time, and
when it raised, my eye starts twitching. I got a
little pain going on right here. It's driving me absolutely crazy,
and i just don't know what in the world I'm
gonna do, because I've got.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
A thumbnail growing over here.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
It's just hurting now that's why I didn't wear the
shoes I want to wear with this stress and.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
Come get out of here and out of the guy there.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Bring solutions, Bring solutions, solutions, Bring solutions.

Speaker 6 (55:55):
As a person, brings solutions as a business, brings solutions
as a ministry, and you will all always.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Saw, when's the first time you saw yourself as a solution?

Speaker 6 (56:06):
I wrote one of an Hour at Loose, and I
didn't even know how to write a book. Really, no,
I didn't know nothing about writing the book. I didn't
know what the thing over you in my twenties, in
my twenties, somewhere in my twenties, late twenties, I wrote
the book in a PC study Bible notepad because I

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didn't know what a word process it was. So there
was a friend of mine named Pastor Clifford Fraser, who
we were just getting into computers and stuff, us old guys,
was getting twenty eight old guys. We were just getting
into it, and he said, why did you write all
of this in the notepad? He said, it'd be so
much better if you wrote it in a word processor.

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I said, what's that? I had written almost the whole
book in the notepad of a PC study Bible. So
it wasn't that I was proficient. It was that I
had heard the cry of women who were hurting sexually
and emotionally abused, who were hidden in our churches at

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that time, and the church was ran by men who
were death to the cry of the women. And when
I heard their cry, I thought that there were Biblical
solutions to sociological and emotional issues. And so I started
trying to get an answer out. And when I started

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teaching it, it was a Sunday school class, and more
and more women came, and more and more women came.
I didn't know it was going to be a movement.
I didn't know it was going to be a book.
I did it first as a Sunday school class, and
then I called Archie Dentnis and I told Archie, I'm
teaching this class and people are going crazy over it.
I mean, my church is backed out. This got like
maybe one hundred and fifty people. One hundred and fifty

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people meant some people were out side. That's my bicycle shop.
Never laugh at my bicycle shop. Despise not the day
of small beginnings. Great things come out of small places.
Women art Louse came out of that bicycle shop. Okay,
So I told Archie about it. Archie said, you should
bring it to you should bring it to Pittsburgh. You know,

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he had this big, rich voice, Archie did it. Used
to sing for Billy Graham and Morse Sorella and all
those people. Yeh, there's big Maludi's big it to Pittsburgh.
And so he announced that I was going to bring
it to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 7 (58:31):
No, no, he said.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
She said, I'm gonna have you in Pittsburgh. And he says,
what do you call it? And I thought, I don't know.
I'm on the phone with him. This is exactly the
way it happened. I said, I don't know. Uh, I
guess I'll call it woman are at louse. That's what
the Bible said. I'll call it woman are at loose.
He said, okay. So he announced that I was going
to teach woman and I are't loose like that. And

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so many women came. They had to move it out
of the church into the hotel. So I took the
CDs from the Sunday school class and put it with
the they were the cassettes at the time, and put
it with the cassettes that how old and put it
with the cassettes from Pittsburgh, and I had a two
tape series, this is the truth, this is not happened.

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And when I got ready to do the book, I
couldn't find a publisher that would do it. I finally
found a publisher that would take my tapes and transcribe
it into But when I saw what they did with
my answer.

Speaker 7 (59:34):
I got mad because it wasn't in my spirit.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
They were saying what women are to do and such
as says of what women are there that was not
my spirit. So I had a desperation to protect the
integrity of my spirit. I started pecking and pecking and
Peckett and Peckett, and nobody would publish what I was pecking.

Speaker 7 (59:57):
So I told my wife, see, I'm talking about things
that would stop you. Okay, nobody wants to publish it.
The first person who did it did it wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
And now I've got all of this stuff crammed in
the Species Study Bible. Now I'm trying to pull it
out and put it in a word machine. And I
told my wife, I said, nobody wants to publish it,
and if I publish it myself, they want fifteen thousand dollars. Wow,
fifteen thousand dollars all the money I had in the world.

(01:00:30):
We were saving that money to get our first house.
We didn't even own our house, and I was trying
to get us a house. And I said, Serena, I said,
I want to publish this book, and it's gonna mean
that I have to drain our savings to do it.
She said that's okay, wow, and so she agreed, and

(01:00:54):
we took the fifteen thousand, and we published the book,
and we got five thousand copies, and I sold out
in two weeks. So I said, I didn't go out
and buy me a suit though I needed one. The

(01:01:15):
lining had come out of my suit because she was
washing it in the washing machine because we couldn't afford
to go to the cleaners. So I didn't buy me
a suit with it. I took the money and put
it back in the business and published another five thousand.
I had no idea that that book would end up

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selling over five million copies, be translated into ten different languages,
being known to this day around the world in places
I have never been. And it all started in my
little bicycle shop. So when I talked to you about

(01:01:58):
the right, brother and catching the right When I'm talking
to you about things I know that happened in my
own life.

Speaker 7 (01:02:06):
I never let not having enough stop me from getting up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah, when you mentioned it's not where you want to go,
it's what you give up to get there? What have
you given up to get where you are? That people
in the room might be surprised enough.

Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
It reminds me of a statement that somebody asked, Katherine Coolman.
Do y'all know who Katherine Coolman is? Katherine Coolman was
a woman preacher when women preachers weren't cool, and she
was preaching in California, and some people are still not cool,
and she was preaching in California and preaching for full
gospel businessman associations.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
She was dramatic. Oh, by God, him walk anyway? Okay,
so how can I It's the dramatic side of me.
I do movies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
What do you say?

Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
So they asked her how much did it cost to
be who she was? And she laughed.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
She said, simply everything, darling, simply everything. That was so
true when you start talking about I was walking through
the airport when my ministry first started to explode, I
was so distracted by the explosion that I didn't see

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the damage. An old preacher was coming through the airport
in Charlotte. YA just don't a people then, Charlie, as
he was here. When you live in West Virginia, if
you wanted to go to heaven, you either had to
go through Pittsburgh or Charlotte. And I was in Charlotte

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airport and this old bishop walked through to me, and
he looked at me, and she could head. He said, oh,
he said, you've lost something. Whatever he said, You've lost
something that you'll never be able to regain. I said
what I said, He said, normalsty It took me about

(01:04:13):
five years to unpack that simple conversation. That you become
a target by people who have never met you, that
they would say the most hideous things about you, that
your children would suffer from the things they wrote about you,
trying to get their points up in at their Nielsen

(01:04:37):
ratings up, that they would eat you for dinner and
saved the story until sweeps month and drop it because
you had a big audience so that they could get
big ratings, And that my kids would have to grow
up in the middle of all of that. I was
distracted by the explosion. But I would come to see

(01:05:00):
the damage. I would see it in the tears of
my children, the pregnancy of my daughter, the pains of
my son, holding my wife in tears, and I would
hold her in tears and preach faith and go home
and lay down in a bed of fear.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
And said, God, where have you taken me? I'm gonna
tell you this, I take you. This is wore caution.
I'm gonna throw it in free tonight, tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
Gonna be.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
And I'm gonna tell y'all nobody else can hear. This's
just how y'all, y'all go keep it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
Almost quit. I'm a country boy. I'm from West Virginia.
I don't know nothing about this big time stuff. I
just I never even asked to be big. I wanted
to be effective, not famous. Famous is the consequences of
being effective. I didn't know nothing about being famous, and

(01:05:57):
I didn't like it, and so I was. And when
you first knew, everybody attacks you first and figures you
out later, because though we say you're innocent and until
proven guilty, the reality is you're really guilty. To approven innocent.
I didn't know that then, and I was young upstarting.

(01:06:18):
You have to understand that you look at a sixty
year old man, but you're talking about something that's happening
to a guy in his late twenties. The little kids.
And the first time I was in the Washington Post,
the article was so vicious it made me nauseous. I
was so shocked that you could say that stuff about
somebody you didn't even know, based on assumptions and little

(01:06:41):
bit of this and a little bit of that. They
piece it all together and you don't get the same
thing back. So I decided I don't want this. I
was preaching for the pastor, Bishop Donnimirs, and nobody knew it,
because preachers can override their feelings and function. I preached
on fire, but inside I want to quit. I told God,

(01:07:03):
I'm through with this. I'm not going through this. I
don't need this. I don't see I don't need that.
I'm a guy who likes to go get his own
chicken wings. I don't have to have all of that
stuff to be happy. Because I wasn't raised with it.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
I can make it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
You can throw me in an apartment and give me
just a little skill. It a cast iron skill.

Speaker 7 (01:07:24):
It you know what.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
You know what I'm talking about it and some seasons,
soft stuff that come of raised.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
I will run you out here. I would run you out.
So I said, I'm not doing this no more. I'm
not doing it. I'm not doing this.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
I'm not doing this because I don't need this, and
I didn't ask for this. I'm only doing this because
of what happened in my life. Of the circumstances happened
in my life. He put me on stage. I didn't
ask for it, And when I saw how much it costs,
I thought, you can have that right back here.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
You have that right back up in there. I don't
need it. So I was mad inside. I was hurt,
and uh.

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
I stayed up in the fellowship with the passage cause
I didn't want to go back to my room and
sulk in my own sort rows. And they said, this
lady down the stairs waiting to see you. The service
was over and the fellowship was over, the passage starting
to leave. I was trying to wait her. I thought
she'd give up and leave, And when I finally came
down the steps, she was there, and she was just

(01:08:24):
a willerly bit of a woman. And she said here's
your jaggs. She said, Uh, I've been in the hospital.
She said, Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:08:40):
I was pregnant in my fallopian twos.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
And the baby died in my twobs and I was
carrying around a dead baby, and the toxicity from the
baby almost killed me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
And she said the only thing they kept me alive
was here you preach. She said, if you hadn't been
preaching to me every day, I swear I would have died.
And then she looked at me and she said, it's

(01:09:20):
for us. It's not for them, it's for us. It
hit me so hard.

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
I didn't even get her name.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
I got in the car and cried all the way
back to my room because she reminded me.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
Why I was there.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
I just left last week when I text you. I
was up in Baltimore in DC and I was doing
the book signing and this woman came up to the
table to my sowred. She said, you don't remember me,
do you?

Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
I said no. She didn't even look like the same person.
She's all dressed up and gain weight.

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
She felt us when she said I met you in
the bottom of Donnimir's church years ago, and.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
I burst into tears. I lost it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
I stopped the signing and I jumped up in the heart.
If it were not for that woman, when you talk
about what it caught, I'm going to my son and

(01:11:02):
stuff now, child, simply everything what being a public figure
does to you. Everybody has an opinion about everything, what
you wear, whether you shave your head or not, what
you look like, you gain weight, your fat. I mean,
they say anything to you, and what has to happen

(01:11:25):
to survive it. You have to get tougher, not meaner, tougher, tougher.
What's the difference.

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
Means when you lash back?

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
Because in a fight like that, if God would turn
me loose, who I felt something like this, If God
would turn me loose, I could hold my own. I
could hold my own in a street fight. I go, oh,
hold to God, who halloelujy'. I gotta say it myself.

(01:11:57):
Sometimes I tell you, if I couldn't, please let it,
don't please let.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
This one time, just one from the Hawaii, just one time.

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
Sometimes I'll type it out to delete it, because I
swear I could pull a paint off the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
If you turn me loose, you should release a book things.
I almost tweeted, Yeah, it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
Would be good.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
It'd be a best seller. It would be a bestseller
for sord But when I say tougher your resilience and
your resistance to the irrelevance of things that have nothing
to do with your destiny, our satanic distraction to move

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you away from where God has placed you, and you
can't be When I do a passage confidence and I
just do Q and A because I like to do KNA,
because I like to talk to you, and they start
asking me questions and stuff. Generally, somewhere along the night,
somebody's gonna come tell me about churchmen, or somebody who's
saying something about somebody who heard them like that. But
when I'm talking to CEOs had to be successful people.

(01:13:01):
When I'm talking to presidents and kings from around the
world I've sat across from and talked to. When I
get a chance to be in the room with executive
and corporate executives and stars who name, if I would
listen in here, everybody would know them.

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
They're never talking about what people said.

Speaker 6 (01:13:20):
Because they have developed the toughness that it's necessary to survive.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
Can I say one more thing real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
I'm saying says.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
I took my son up to the Rock of Gibraltar.

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
My baby boy was with me and his mama, and
I took him to the Rock of Gibraltar because we
were on our way to Africa, and we stopped over
in Spain, went to the Rock of Gibraltar, and the
guy took us up to the top of the Rock
of Gibraltar, where all the battles were fought and all
of the enclaims are filled with the outposts where you

(01:13:59):
could defend the southernmost tip of spring before you face
the northern tip of Africa.

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
And there as we went up, spiraling up to the top.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
Of the mountain, the higher you went, there were monkeys
and they were jumping all over the cars and everything.
And the goud said to us, he said, you know,
in certain seasons it gets so cold up here that
when the monkeys first migrated up here in the winter,
their tails would freeze off.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
That's how cold it was, he said.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
But eventually, when they started birthing their babies, they were
born without tails because they had adapted to their environment.
That's what I mean about toughness. If you are exposed
to it long enough, you'll freeze your tail.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
It's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Tweet that everybody. So I got blessed and sore and
froze my tail off. But if you, to those of you,
however you define soaring and success. Success for you might
be raising two great kids. Success for you might be
opening up a spa. Success for you might be opening

(01:15:29):
up a home fund where mother's or it might be
a corporate office on Wall Street. If you don't freeze
your tail off, you won't be able to withstand what
success costs.

Speaker 7 (01:15:47):
You have to freeze your tail off.

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
And I can tell that a lot of people are
not really See when I first start writing this book,
I thought I was writing that entrepreneurship was about a
business and a company and an address and a location
and getting a building or a facility, or starting an
ecorp from your laptop or.

Speaker 7 (01:16:11):
Something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:13):
But when I got to writing it, while I was
writing it, now, when I started while I was writing,
I realized it was a mindset. It's a mindset. It's
it's it's it's it's the way you think about things.
It's it's it's taking control of your destiny. See if
I come to work for you, and I would if
I come and work for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
You, you wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
Oh, yeah, I would. I come to teach you a
Suden's peak. Yeah, Let you have the problems. You can
decide what you're gonna pay me as an employer to
an employee, but you can't decide how much I'm gonna make.

(01:16:59):
We have turned our income over into the hands of
somebody who has no vision for our needs.

Speaker 7 (01:17:05):
By okay, you can.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Pay me whatever you think I'm whatever you think the
job is worth, but you can't pay me what I'm worth.
You can't afford me. So I can have all of
these multiple streams of income to subsidize your limitations. Right,
Because if I have an entrepreneurial spirit, I am not

(01:17:30):
limited like an eglet to waiting for the mother bird
to drop food in my mouth. Being an entrepreneur means
that I have lifted up into the air and found
my own wings.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
You know, I'm so glad you said that, because I
don't think you're talking about claiming our rights as much
as taking responsibility for our own lives.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
Solute.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Absolutely. You know what's funny. You know what's funny about
this conversation is this is exactly how we talk on
the phone most of the time. It's text, and he
will text something that makes me get comfort tunnels trying
to text back to it because it will be this long,
exhausting book that I've got to send back to. This
answer because he thinks so deep. You can tell how

(01:18:16):
deep a person thinks about how they talk. He thinks
so deep in this, And so you just over, You're
just eavesdropping tonight on a conversation we would have whether
you were there or not.

Speaker 7 (01:18:25):
Do you like it? But I'm just.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
This is how we do it. This is how we
do it. Yeah, I'm like, it's about taking control of outcomes.
It's about not allowing your destiny to be controlled by
your circumstances or your situation. Is it about getting a
vision for where you want to be in your life

(01:18:54):
with your family, with your children, and setting a goal
and dropping off things that are not relevant to where
you are trying to go so that you can focus
on what is necessary, so that you can have some
spoils to divide, so that you can send your kids
to a college, so that you can figure out where
you want to live when you're old, and how you
want to die. This is not about diamonds and gold

(01:19:17):
and rolls, races unless that's what your vision is. This
is about choosing where you want to go. If it's
a cottage in the hills of West Virginia in a
long cabin and you want to die with chickens in
your backyard, that's your business.

Speaker 7 (01:19:30):
It's your life. It's your business. It's your business, it's
your thing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
Do what you want to do.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
That's what this is about.

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
Okay. So so when you now, whenever preachers start talking
about anything other than preaching religious people just.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
What they do, that's.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
You know. But let me tell you something to re
And I must do this because I serve a people
who have a prayerless full of things that God doesn't do.
Half of the things they're asking God to do is

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tables and chairs.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
And He does trees.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
If they could catch what I'm talking about, we could
go to praying about stuff that really matters, about the
kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of our God
and other christ We can start praying about North Korea
and what's going on over there. In the middle of saying,
we can start praying about things that would change the world,
about cleaning up the air and cleaning up the water,
and leaving this planet better than we found that. We

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could start praying about things that would change the world
the way we interact with people. We can start praying
about things that brought flack out of people's arms and
delivered them and set them free and set them on
the street called slope, power to play. It about player
and house papers and car payments and stood peels and
college tuition.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
God doesn't do that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
You do that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
Let's sall, let's storm.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
Spread your wings.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
It's time to soarm, It's time to sorm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
How believe I can touch the sky?

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Sendon?

Speaker 7 (01:21:36):
Think about it every night and day.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Stemma, weise, sad fly away.

Speaker 7 (01:21:45):
We're gonna get in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
How believe I can come up to the open door?
You go up through the open door.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
I'm in a run?

Speaker 7 (01:21:58):
Do you really.

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
Nice?

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
And loss?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
You really believe it?

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
Come on you saying nice?

Speaker 6 (01:22:07):
Salt there. I'll say this when I know it's time
to go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Well, I was gonna say, I don't know, I don't
know what your schedule is like. I don't want you
to become an entrepreneur by accident, by staying too late,
missing work and then needing to start your own company.
But but no, I feel like one thing I really
wanted to make sure that you that you talked about
is the cost of hesitation, because this is a this

(01:22:47):
is a very tactical book. Oh your stay, Yeah, we
won't be much longer. And I want to thank again
everybody who's online and want to encourage everybody to get
the book because I think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
You'd be surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
How you know, Bishop Jake's is in Ninja and so
it's from uh laughing about oreos and uh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
I even brought some oreos. Yeah, because there's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
A hundred joked wings. Spread your wings.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
But you know there's there's the example of innovation you
talk about.

Speaker 7 (01:23:33):
I love this line.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Innovation isn't just changing the flavor ites, changing the form whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
That's so good you just say stuff like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
That, Like that would take me thirty more years to
think of that line.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
And it's just as well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
But but but what I wanted to mention is these
are so many tools. It's very tactical on one level,
very inspirational, a lot of great inspiring pros, and then
get into some things that will really help you to
do it in real life and not just you.

Speaker 7 (01:24:05):
Know, yeah, I want to see your business plans.

Speaker 6 (01:24:07):
I wanted to get into grants and foundations and concepts
and real meaty stuff that I don't get to get
into on Sunday. It's in the because because because this
is something that we do in church that I think
is dangerous. We inspire people right every Sunday morning, trying

(01:24:28):
to we inspire them everything.

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
Oh, I see you do it. Don't try to wiggle
out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:35):
But if we inspire people, we don't inform them for Monday,
then they'll just come on Sunday to get high.

Speaker 7 (01:24:47):
And I thought, I need a way to get beyond preaching.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Everything's gonna be all right, it's gonna be all right
every Sunday. It's gonna be all right. It's gonna be
all right. And show you how to make it all right,
show you how to mint it all right. Yea, you
talked about the costs of hesitation. You can't understand hesitation

(01:25:12):
if you don't understand rhythm. I thought, I never thought
I was going to be a preacher. I was going
to be a musician. I started playing the piano.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Want it's hard for us to believe that you never
thought you'd be a preacher, and then one time you
said that you didn't ever felt like you were a
good preacher.

Speaker 7 (01:25:27):
Starting Lord, No, that's why I pre so hard, because
I didn't think I was very good. I said, well,
at least be hard. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I made me cry when I heard you say that.
By the way, Lord.

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
Gifted, cannot see it.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
See. I can see him, I can see you, I
can see the lights, I can see the carpet, I
can see the table, I can see the wolf. The
only thing I cannot see in the room is me.
And when you are gifted, you are, When you are
truly gifted, you are blind to yourself. So it makes
you ask questions like who do men say that I am?

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You're vulnerable to the voices around you, and you have
to be careful who you have around you because you
can walk off a stage and want to slit your
wrists because you can't see whether you had any effect
at all.

Speaker 7 (01:26:18):
That's the truth.

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
And be careful who you have around you because they reflect,
They become a mirror, and if the person around you
has an agenda, they'll distort the image of who you are.

Speaker 7 (01:26:28):
But anyway, you understand what I'm saying. So I was thinking,
you know this watch I got home is turning around
and around for time.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
It's imitating the solar system because everything is turning. We
don't feel it, but the earth is turning, it's moving around.
The sun is moving. Everything's moving. Every thing is moving.
When I went to the whaling wall in Jerusalem, the
rabbi stood at the whaling wall and they were rocking

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back and forth because they understood that in order to
reach God. It's a symbol of understanding movement, that that
blood is moving through my body while I'm sitting here.
It's moving, it's moving, it's moving. If I have an emergency,
they'd fill my pulse. A pulse is a rhythm, a rhythm,
a rhythm. Everything is a beat. Is a rhythm, is
a rhythm, and the rhythm determines days and evenings and

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seasons and suns. It's a rhythm. It's a rhythm. It's
a rhythm. Everything is a rhythm. And when Christ came,
he came in rhythm. In the fullness of time, and
the fullness of time, it comes in a rhythm. Everything's

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stunn in a rhythm. So God said, if the day
you hear my voice, do it in the rhythm hard,
not your heart, because there's no guarantee that you can
do later what you can do today. You got to
do it in a rhythm. You got to do it
in a rhythm. When you hesitate, you break the rhythm.

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It's the same thing that a nurse is feeling for
when she grabs your risk. She's checking the rhythm. The
rhythm is a sign of your health. If the rhythm
is off, the heart is off. If the heart is
off beat bad enough, they have to do something to
it to get it back to its rhythm because it
being out.

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
Of rhythm affects everything else in the body.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
If we didn't have our children when we had our children,
at the time we had our children, we would have
broke the rhythm. Everything has to be done in a rhythm.
Business has to be done in a rhythm. A woman's
body operates in a rhythm before we had all of
this fancy stuff. People control childbirth by rhythms and cycles
and systems. And that's why the woman is so akin

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to the heart of God, because she has cycles, and
cycles are systems, and cycles reflect the universe, and God
is a god of rhythm and everything. He spoke when
God said, let there be everything start beating and beating
and beating in a rhythm. And God is a god
of rhythm, and if you're gonna walk with God, you
have to catch this rhythm. And when you hesitate, you

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break the rhythm. You understand what I'm saying. There is
nothing worse than dancing with somebody who don't have rh
There's nothing worth. It makes you want to back off
the stage, by the way, says, it looks like they're

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dancing to the words. Not the beat, the beat, the beat,
the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat,
the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat,
the beat, theat beat.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
The beat, the beat, the beat, the beat, the beat.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
The beat.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
Don't hesitate, you break the rhythm, and what would have
flowed is now off. The enemy comes to break the rhythm.

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So when you talk about hesitation, you're really talking about Satan,
because he's a rhythm breaker.

Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
He can't stop God from gifting you, calling you, blessing you.
He cannot.

Speaker 6 (01:30:52):
He cannot even curse you because God has blessed you.
The only way he can sabotage you is to get
break the rhythm. When you do break the rhythm, you
have to repent. You have to repent not just because

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of sin. You have to repent because you miss the
rhythm to do the right thing. I'll show it to
you this way. Yeah. Samuel lays down on the bed
and he says, and he hears a voice say Samuel,
and he gets up. It wrongs to Eli. He said,
did you call me? Eli says I called He not
lay down again? He lays down again, Samuel, He goes Eli,

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did he call it the third time? Eli perceived that
the Lord has called it? He has missed the rhythm
three times, he says, But this time when you lay down,
say to him God, if you call me again, I'm ready.

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Somebody in here. You've missed the rhythm. There are some
things that should have happened five years, ten years, three years,
six months ago. Do you hear what I'm saying to you?
But all hope it's not lost. Go back and laid
out again, and say, if you called me again, if

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you just give me one more chance, I won't.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
Go to flesh.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
I won't go to Eli, I won't go to humanity.
I won't go to my fear or my dollt or
my shame. If you just called me again, give me
one more chance.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
This time, Lord.

Speaker 6 (01:32:51):
Woo Woo is a timing factor on everything, and every
time we break a rhythm, it has consequences. Can I
show you one thing? Is it kind of shocking, but
I'm gonna throw it out here. God did not intend

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for us to reproduce in our old age children because
he wanted us to be here long enough to take
care of them. So when God gets ready to shut
down the factory, he's shutting down the factory so that
the child will not be uncovered. Now, through medicine, we

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have jimmied the lock and broke the rhythm so that
you can be an eighty year old man and have
a two year old son. Now you might have a
lot of fun, but in breaking the rhythm, the sun
pays the consequence because by the time he figures out
what to ask you. That's the problem with rhythm. It's

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not just about you. Everything else is depending on the beats.
Everything around you is affected by the beat. And even
though you can create things that will break the rhythm
for your own pleasure and so doing, you run the
risk of creating someone else's calamity. Because the rhythm was

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developed so that everything starts at a certain time. Everything
goes down at a certain time, because God is not
just looking at you. It's for us us, It's for us.
When God gives you your next opportunity, move, move. If

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the woman with the issue of blood had hesitated, she
would have bled to death because Jesus was not coming
to her.

Speaker 7 (01:35:02):
He was passing by.

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
My rhythm rhythm, rhythm, rhythm, rhythm. And she says, if
I can just catch the meat, if I can just
got weak. But if I can just if I can
just catch the meat, it's gonna take all of my
strength to get there. But I gotta catch you because
he's not breaking his rhythm. He's not breaking his rhythm.
He's still moving. I got to catch his rhythm. So
she had to crawl to catch his rhythm. She said,

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But if I can just catch his rhythm, the miracle
is in the rhythm. And so she had to crawl,
and the mouse said, she pressed her way. And the
way she did it and got up to speed is
that she kept encouraging herself. If I can just touch,
if I can just touch, if I can just touch,
if I can just catch his rhythm, I'll be made
hof blind. Bottle Man's was sitting by the highwayside. Begar,
let me stop. I'm gonna stop it. There is one thing.

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I know. We're running out of time, but I want
to They said, no, no, I was on a flight.
They got stuck on the runway.

Speaker 7 (01:36:07):
And I tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
We sat on the runway so long that it took
all the scriptures I could think of. Now I tried
to talk to myself. I said, you were sitting at
the house, and then you got in the car and

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you were sitting in the car, and they drove you
to the airport and you were sitting in the airport,
and now you're sitting on the plane. Why are you
so irritated? You're gonna sit anyway? And I said, when
you if the plane were to take off, you ti'll
be sitting. And when you landed, you go gett in

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the car so you could sit. And you're getting the
car and sit in the car so you can go
to the hotel and sit. So why are you mad about?
I think my frustration was I was sitting in a
place of movement. The agony of life is to sit

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in a place of movement. You spoke a hesitation, But
the word that leaked in my spirit that I wanted
to leave with you is frustration. I think that there
are people in this room who are frustrated, and you

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try to make yourself feel content, and you feel guilty
that you're not content, and you said, I ought to
be thankful for what I have, And like me, you're
trying to use rationale to put up with a situation
that you're not called to. And what keeps needling you
is I belong up there, and yet I'm stuck right here.

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And there you are in a place of movement, watching
other people take off and wondering what in the world
is wrong? And you're ring the bell and say, what
excuse me? We've been sitting. We're out of peanuts, they

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don't have no more dyet coke, and the potato chips
are stale?

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
Can we go?

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
That frustration is God nudging you that he has placed
you in a position of movement, and if you are
not moving, something is broken.

Speaker 7 (01:39:07):
And I want you to understand this.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
There are people who stay on the ground and they're
happy to be there because they never imagine themselves in
the air.

Speaker 7 (01:39:20):
But you are not one of them. You are not
one of them.

Speaker 6 (01:39:28):
You go to the airport with people who love you.
But when you get to the checkout point, they can't
go beyond it because if you don't have a ticket,
you can't go beyond that point.

Speaker 7 (01:39:41):
Some folks you have to leave behind that you.

Speaker 6 (01:39:43):
Love because they have not paid the price to go
into the Mexican monci.

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
Don't you get on the runway now.

Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
And get stuck on the and tell yourself it's all right.
It's not all right because you belong in the air,
whatever that air is, and I want.

Speaker 7 (01:40:15):
It to write.

Speaker 6 (01:40:16):
You know, when you get about my age, you get
all nostalgic and stuff, and you want to leave something
behind that matters. I didn't want to be one of
those people who flew and never taught flight. Wow, most
of the people I've seen whoever did anything, never told
anybody how they did it. And I thought, since I

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got here by God's grace, I promised him everything you
teach me, I'll teach it everything you showed me.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
I'll show it.

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
Everything I'll learn I'll pass on to somebody else. There's
somebody watching on the campus or streaming, or sitting in
the balcony or sitting out here in front of me,
right now you got a dream, you got a vision.
I won't lie to you. It's gonna cost you everything.

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You are hurting places you didn't know you could hurt,
and you have a thousand chances to give up, but
don't do it.

Speaker 7 (01:41:15):
Keep on moving.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
Yep. I tried to leave some tips about who you
need around you so that you can pick your associates
more carefully, because it does have something to do with
your success. Yea. I tried to speak to your need
to have a rhythm so that you cannot lounge around
here and let this moment pass you by. You are

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not as young as you think you are. You don't
have as long as you think you have. It takes
longer to settle something big than you think. Y'all. You
thinking in days, I'm talking in decades. You don't have many.
If you don't do it now, she'll never do it

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because you may not ever see.

Speaker 7 (01:42:06):
That cycle come back again.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
The only reason Saul wanted to kill Daisy is that
he was mad cause he missed his turn.

Speaker 7 (01:42:30):
Touch everybody you can reach and tell him, do not
miss your turn.

Speaker 9 (01:43:04):
There's some free d jakes everybody, would y'all do me
one favor when you go to work, or you go home,
or you go in the mall, or you go someplace,
and you run into somebody who heard this or read

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the book or followed the study guide.

Speaker 6 (01:43:31):
Incidentally's out in Spanish as well, and you run into
another eagle somewhere at the checkout counter.

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
Just look at them and go, don't.

Speaker 8 (01:43:44):
Know what you mean?

Speaker 7 (01:43:46):
Thank you know, nd.

Speaker 6 (01:44:05):
I do good.

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