Bishop TD Jakes - Learning How To Pivot x Timbaland, Dr Jill Waggoner Jones, Pastors Tudman and Louis

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to one of the most provocative, powerful,
inspiring conversations I think that you will have anywhere on
social media today. I'm visiting TDJS. I'm the senior pastor
of the Potter's House, and I'm also the author of
the soon to be released book, Don't Drop the Mic,
which has inspired this conversation because part of what I

(00:23):
talk about in Don't Drop the Mic is not just
understanding the contextuality of the content that you're going to deliver,
but also understanding the audience to which you're going to
deliver it. Too, one without the other causes communication to
be limited. You might be vocal, but you don't really
communicate if you don't create understanding. And it's important to

(00:47):
be adaptable enough to develop different types of languages. Now,
if you understand that, you realize, as the old Addie says,
the only thing that life can promise shoe for certain,
is that it will change. We have a diverse audience
of people here that are going to talk to you
from a lot of different perspectives. We have a producer,

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we have two preachers, we have a physician. They're all
from different worlds, different perspectives. Different backgrounds, different academics, different
socioeconomic constructs. The one thing they all have in common
is that they are all people of faith. And the
other thing that they have in common is that they
know how to pivot. If ever, we're a time that

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you needed to be able to pivot, it has certainly
been twenty twenty and now twenty twenty one has demanded
that the people who survived the best were the people
who had the highest AQ adaptability quotit to be able
to adapt to environments, to be able to transition rapidly,
to be able to pivot.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
On a diet.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
And I believe that this is important to talk to
you about because for where God wants to take you
in your life, in your career, perhaps in your city,
your town, or whatever. If you don't develop the ability
toot pivot, you will be playing by an old playbook
in a new game. And the quickest way to be

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ruled completely out is not to have the playbook for
where you're going and only have fidelity to the playbook
of where you were. This is going to be a
great conversation. We've got some smart people in the room.
I want each one of you to take a turn
to introduce yourselves and tell them a little bit about

(02:35):
where you're from and what your background is. I'll let
ladies be first. Doctor Jill, let's start with you.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
First of all.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Thank you so much Bishop for including me in this conversation.
I can't wait to see where it goes. I'm a
family practice physician. I have recently switched from just regular
family practice to what we call concierge medicine, so I'm
now concierge physician. I'm board certified in family practice, and

(03:04):
I did that for forever and almost from the beginning.
I was very interested in an integrative approach to medicine,
so i'm family practice with a subspecialty in integrative medicine,
which means that I look at multiple healing modalities to
help people obtain wellness. So that's what I do. I

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enjoy teaching, so I don't teach individuals. I do when
I see them as patients, but I really like to
go and teach the community. I spend a lot of
time trying to educate people so that they understand what,
particularly during this time.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
What the change is, and what the changes mean.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Thank you for being here. She's also according to d
magazine three times in a row. Been nominated the best
doctor in all all of Dallas, Texas. So we're glad
to have you to be a part of this vital
and important conversation. It's hard for me to call you
Timothy because everybody calls you Timberland. But I'll let you

(04:12):
introduce yourself and we'll go from there.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Well, I want to say my name is tim Timberland.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Mostly I want to say I'm some of everything that disrupted.
I'm a music producer. I started as a as a
music producer. I was found by Missy Elliott. She discovered me.
She knew that I had a lot of talent, and
she actually pushed me forward to be who I am today.

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And I always was a one to speak through music
and speak through sound and try to change the way
that people feel and change it. They're going one direction.
I've always been a person of you know, we should
move this direction. I think this is a better direction.
So I'm like a I'm a music producer, I'm a businessman.

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I see different things in different lights that other business
people don't see them, like this is a better road
to go down. So I really see myself as a
music producer, a disruptive person. That's this cutting edge, you know,
always been cutting edge of everything that I've done when
it comes to music. Everybody I work with, everybody, I
work with everybody that you can possibly name, from Earth

(05:26):
one in fire to all the people that are on
versus and during this pandemic, me and my partner Swiss,
we created a show that I felt like, you know,
people like you can't create a show.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
You know you need producers. I'm like, no, you know,
you just need technology.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Give us the five top names that you've produced.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
For the five top names I produce for.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Let's say, Beyonce, jay Z, Justin, Timberlake, Alicia Keys, Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, the Tupac and Tubah. Wow, that's quite at a race.
So thank you for being here. You've seen a lot
of changes over the times of the years, and music
has changed, the world has changed, and yet you've remained relevant.
I can't wait to hear what you have to say

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about pivoting Pastor Peter Lewis.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Yes, sir, what an honor again, just to be here
and to be surrounded by people from different backgrounds and perspectives.
I'm excited to hear what everyone says, but yeah, I
mean just a little bit about me. I grew up
playing soccer. That was my dream, and so I pursued
a career in professional soccer. I did that for some
years over in Finland, Mexico, Brazil again was just amazing experience.

(06:53):
And then turned businessmen entrepreneur. It's in my blood. My
dad's an entrepreneur. So I ran a coffee shop for
a while, I helped did some consulting, and then you
know my story a little bit. God really got a
hold of my life and I received a call into
ministry and began currently one of the teaching pastors at
the Upper Room Church here in Dallas, and I founded

(07:14):
Brave Heart Ministries in two thousand and sixteen, really as
an equipping resource for the Body of Christ. My passions
to help believers overcome pain, in obstacles and false views
of God so they can experience really the fullness and
take those ancient truths and apply them in a modern context.
That's my challenge and that's my joy. So it's just

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an honor to be here.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And his wife makes a main red velvet cake.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
She's awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
We got to include that.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
And he's got the tribe of Israel in his house
about twenty thousand children. Bishop Pastor coach Joel Tudman talk
to me.

Speaker 8 (07:57):
Thank you Bishop for the opportunity to be here. And
it's an honor again to be with this panel. It's
a blessed day. A little bit about me. I'm married
and we have a large family of nine. It's blended family.
I love my life, I love my kids. I've been
a collegiate football coach for sixteen years, a coach at
Okahoma State University as a strength and conditioning coach for football.

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Loved it, and then also founded a church in Oklahoma
called the net Church and we changed it to the
Place of Faith. It was another nominational ministry that started
on the campus and just swelled and grew exponentially. And
then I made a shift this past year in August
to come work for you in the Potter's House. And

(08:43):
this has been an amazing pivot in my life. So
I'm looking forward to talking about this pivot. And my
story is not sad, so I'm looking forward to talking
about how to change.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
You know, you said change. That's a word, that's a
great word to use. Timberland said, disruption I love that
word as well. This has certainly been a disruptive time
for a lot of people, a lot of changes. That
doesn't necessarily mean that the disruption is negative. It could

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be it could be positive. It depends on how you
handle it. Let me start with Timberland from Tupac to
now is, from eight tracks to MP three's. I mean,
that's a great span of music and production, and companies

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have come and companies are fallen, and artists have come,
and artists have passed, and you're still standing. How do
you deal with transitioning so that you can remain relevant?

Speaker 6 (09:52):
How do I remain First of all, thank you, that
was a wonderful question, Thank you, Bishop of How do
I remain relevant? I listen to the people. I follow
the people, I follow how people move. I really study people,
and just never get too above myself thinking that I'm
too good to not listen to somebody. Always listen and

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take what they're telling me and just make a hybrid
and this transition to the next, to the to the
next evolution of where I'm going. When it comes to
the music, they don't always happen, you know right away.
You just have to stick with it and learn how
it's moving and once you you know, you pivot over,
it'll happen.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
It just it's just everything.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
You have to have perseverance and patience and just really
just study people, and people will let you know if
you're on point, if you're not on point, and always
listen to what's new, you know, don't. I don't prejudge
nothing when it's not something that I quite like, might
not do. I try to listen to be like, why

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do you like this? What makes you move to this?
Why would you want to move to this? Like hm,
because I love music. I love all types of rhythm.
I just studied the music and say, oh, they just
took this out and added this, or they just made
it more simpler.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
And maybe it's not.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
My taste of choice, but I know how to do all.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
I just love music, so I know not to do
all types of stay ahead of everything that's going forward.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I have to admit it. I didn't know that much
about you until you start showing up on my at
my church room Sunday and everybody was passing out and frame, uh.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Do you know daddy? Do you know who that is? Daddy?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh, my god, daddy, my son. I almost had a
mount down because you're coming to the service. What made
you travel? You don't live in Texas all the way
to Dallas periodically just to go to service.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
That's a great question, and it's almost a testimony question
for me. It was a it was a tough trial
in my life. And I've always been none of my
mother's influence of how you know, she was raised for Acostal.
But I always said to myself, I have to get
my own relationship with God.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
I always, you know, follow her lead and always stay
connected to God. But I just kept hearing God speak
to me through this trial I was going through, like
walk with me, you know.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
I just kept hearing walk with Me.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
And one of your sermons came on me and my
Queen Michelle, she was watching one of your sermons. From
that one particular sermon, I forgot it was two thousand.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
And maybe sixteen or seventeen.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
And from that one particular sermon, you helped me learn
the Bible because I have a I can't sit down
and just read.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
I'm an audible person. I have to like listen. So
it made me just go back to every sermon and
just study and just learn, Like, oh, so just what
they meant.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Oh, God hung around a lot of you know, criminals,
people went to jail, you know, because how you was taught,
they don't teach you that. I had to learn a
lot of things for myself and what I want. And
I'm like, something just told me.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
The spirit told me.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
Like go to the church, and I just got I
got on a plane and every since then it's like
that's like, I'm just it's just I'm just compelled to
to to the to the part of his house. And
I can say one thing is like I pay when
I start paying tithes at the party's house, I have
to say this, you know, people, I see it on

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the service people say that always pay ties all my life,
but paying times at the part of the house, it
changed my perspective.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
It's good ground.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
I hear y'all talk about it all the time. It's
the I'm not gonna say it's the best soil, but
it's great soil. I don't want to but it's I
always pay when I constantly and I start seeing changes,
God start wising me up. So every time you speak,
you have a just you have this annointing on your
voice that make me understand what I don't understand looking

(14:01):
and it's like from that going on, I just I
was connected.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
God put us together. There's a couple of things that I
want to unpack. One thing that adult of the mic
I talk about communication isn't the flaunting of your intellectualism
or the extent of your vocabulary if it hinders the
hearer from understanding what you're saying. Communication at its best

(14:25):
is when you connect with the audience. And one of
the things that you said, you talked about you listen
at people, you read people, and I started telling them
because I've spoken in so many diverse settings, from Washington,
d C. To South Africa to Suweto to Australia, just

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all around the world, black, white, brown, all everything imaginable, young, old, secular,
sacred business shows, been on just about everything you can
think of. Find myself in situations where one minute I'm
being interviewed by Oprah Winfrey and the next minute I'm

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being interviewed by Fox News, and then I'm on CNN.
And what is important is to be able to understand
your audience. And when you start talking about reading people,
it really resonated with me. It starts before I get there,
but the moment the plane lands, whoever picks me up

(15:32):
at the airport where they put me, everything is research
for me so that when I get up in that audience,
I'm not producing a sound or a language that disconnects
with the crowd that I'm called to speak to. And
that has helped me so much. As I preached behind

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the former Iron Curtain, and I preached in Kiev and
then been gone and done leader ship development for the
banks and Kenya, I've been in so many different environments
where you do and do not use scriptures to communicate,
and if you're doing a business meeting, or you're sitting

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in a boardroom or you're talking to a room full
of bank presidents, being versatile enough to walk into all
of those doors are very, very is a gift and
it's important as a speaker. So I'll talk about that
and don't drop the mic. Doctor Jill, it almost sounds
like what you do because you have to read the

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patient in order to make the diagnosis. More information is
in the patient. Perhaps that is in the textbook, Am
I right?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
You are absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
One of the things that happens in medicine often, and
that's just what I do, is that we talk past people.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
We either talk past.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Them or over them, or around them, or as though
they are not in the room. And so one of
the things that I learned early on is, first of all,
I see myself as a translator. So if I am
going to take this knowledge that is critical for this

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person to have in order for them to participate in
becoming well, then I've got to take the information, take
the science, and translate.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It to them in a way that they understand it.
That's one thing. The other before that conversation even starts,
I have to listen to them, but listen to them
not in anticipation of giving them what I have to say,
but to listen to them in a way that they
know that I hear.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Them, Because if they know that I hear them, then
they know that the information that I'm giving them is
what they need to have.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
So you often have to come down off of.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Your you know, whatever your thing is that you have
been placed upon, to just communicate and tell people in
words that they understand. They don't have to be five
syllables long. They just have to be sincere. They have
to have good information and good intent. And I think

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that makes not just me effective, but makes us all
effective as communicators.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's so funny that you say you translate, because I
feel like I'm a translator too. To take the treasure
if I'm preaching, to take the treasure out of the
text and communicate it in such a way that anybody
can get it whether they're the president or they're an
inmate in a prison. Sell I want to be able
to get it across. In fact, I need to get

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it across to you. Have an inner need to be
able to get it across to you. In business is
often the same way to tear down the barriers between
faith and business. I've ripped up more walls, Peter, torn
down more barriers, done, been in studios, done business, set

(19:19):
up with CEOs from entertainment industries and who normally wouldn't
touch somebody who was a person of faith. But to
be able to tear down walls and communicate with people.
Created a film company for me, created a real estate
company for me. Has opened up doors for me to
go beyond the borders of how people want to put

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you in a box and lock you up in there
and throw away the key and make you an inmate
to their understanding. Can you Peter, relate to that in
your own life and how how do you handle the
challenge of flowing in and out of different circles.

Speaker 7 (19:58):
Yeah, it's a good question, I think, you know, I
think it's a matter of perspective. You know, all the
things we go through from you know, being in business,
or these different audiences you get exposed to, they're not random,
They're very intentional. And I remember when I was fifteen,
I went to Brazil to play soccer and trained in soccer,
and I sat around this table and they spoke Portuguese

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and I didn't speak any Portuguese, and I was going
to be there for a month, and I remember, out
of necessity, out of being alone, I had no family
with me, no friends, I had to learn their language.
And so I think, I think that's something that we
can as communicators. As you talk about not dropping the mic,
you call it being bilingual. The power of being bilingual

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is surprising people when you speak their language, because people
put a lens on us and they say, oh, this
is this is their language, and all of a sudden,
when you speak their language, you surprise them. And I
think it opens up favor, opens up doors and opportunities
and that's just the power of paying attention. But to
be honest to me personally, it was out of desperation.

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I learned different languages because I didn't want to be alone.
Because the more languages you speak, the more people you
can connect to, and I think that's important.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I looked around and found myself vacillating from Pat Robinson
to Jesse Jackson to the Bloomberg Report. I've walked in
and out of so many different rooms that I've probably
schizophrenic at this point in terms of being able to
walk into different settings and having a white scope. Peter,

(21:34):
don't you think that one of the reasons that God
was able to use the apostle Paul the way he
did is because he was multi lingual. He spoke in
several different languages. He wasn't limited. Peter was just as anointed,
but much more limited linguistically, and consequently, though we see
him delivering the inaugural message under their pentecols, in other

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settings he might have been more limited. Not only was
Paul multi lingual, but he was also diverse in his careers,
and some of the people who followed him followed him
because they were also ten makers and Some people followed
him because he was considered one of the intellectuals of

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his day, and some people followed him because they got
healed up under his ministry. The broader the person is,
the more opportunities they had.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Would you agree, absolutely?

Speaker 7 (22:28):
And I think it's I think it's humility that allows
us to have that broad perspective, the humility to look
at someone who someone else may define and say, you
know what, they're not in my tribe. They're not in
my camp, that's not my language. We don't talk to
those people.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
See.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
I look at you, I look at the people like
Paul that have the most the broadest audience, and there's
a humility at the root of it that I think
is that point that enables them to connect versus across
so many different platforms and audiences. And I really think
that's the key.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I think you hit a point that's really important. There
is a humility and a curiosity. I always want to
know why you think the way you do. You know,
I want to understand better. Some people have rush to
criticize something that they don't even understand, and you know,
I want to understand what does life look like through

(23:21):
your eyes? Joe when you look at you. You've been
a coach, specialist in strift training, came from Oklahoma City,
transition here to Dallas. What has it been like for
you emotionally and what is it about you that you

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have the flexibility to accept change? Because there are people
listening to us right now who are scared to death
of change, even if it's better change. They just just
leave me like I am. Leave us alone, like the demons,
leave us alone. But there's something different about you that
push you past the comfort zone into a completely different environment.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Thank you, Bishop. That's a great question.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
Football is an amazing sport and it's exhilarating and it
can be depressing in the next split second.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
So it's a game of change.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
You're changing all the time and your emotions are changing
all the time. And as a strength conditioning coach slash
communicator for our team, because as I worked with our team,
my communication skills allowed me to become our life coach
on our team, I was the first guy that even

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became that in the collegiate world. And then they started
pattering those different positions across the country off of a.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Preacher that was a coach.

Speaker 8 (24:47):
And so as I started communicating in chapels, and then
communicating vulnerability sessions for freshmen, and then communicating team sessions
with coaches and players on how to become one, then
communicating weekly on whatever topic. The head coach wanted to
just transform the mind from football all the time, so

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we started dealing with the person and the player. So
football itself is constant change, Evan and Floyd, because what's
going on in the guy's house is going to affect
how he plays on the field, what's going on with
his mother is going to affect the attention that he
can give in the room to be able to draw
the play up on the board.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
So it's a life hits the football player.

Speaker 8 (25:32):
He's constantly having to juggle what he feels, what the
coach is accident to do, and also wanting to know
I want to go to the NFL. He's not even
thinking about graduation. He's skipped that I want to go
to the league. So we're trying to teach him that
education is important, that we care about him, and that
his family matters, and that he needs to graduate and

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the NFL will be there, and it's a reverse in
their mind.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So it's constant change, constant change.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
But when we go back to what Peter just said,
A good coach learns his athlete's language, and he can't
do that in a team.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Setting all the time.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
He has to have one on ones with that guy
to learn his language, why his face looks that way,
why he trains that way, to be able to communicate
with him. And then as a coach, you start understanding
that I can't get on him like that, but I
can push his button this way to make him be
what he needs to be on the field. And so
being able to communicate as a preacher and to communicate

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as a coach, The biggest challenge for me has been
when the two worlds were combined, not being able to
turn the coach off when I stepped into the pool pit.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I would step into the pool pit.

Speaker 8 (26:44):
Not to fuss, but that image and that it was
on me all the time, and I didn't know it
until my wife said, just took a picture of me.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
One time. She said, what are you mad about? I said,
I'm not mad at all.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
She said, well, you you've got this look like you're
going to kill us.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
And we came in here, you preached, and that that shattered.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
Me because I didn't realize that I wasn't turning the
coach on them, and I will say this and I'm
gonna hand it back to you.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It wasn't until I got a coach in my own.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
Life called bister TD Jakes that started telling me, hey,
will you preach to me? I don't want you to
buss at me right to me. I didn't know it
until I met you, and I wanted to pivot.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I wanted to change to him, how much as given,
much as required. And we are living in a world
that has been disrupted. But the Holy Experience said something
to me while I was writing, Uh, don't drop the
mic that really stood out in my mind. He said,

(27:53):
when you pray for change, and I'm going to just
throw this out at you and anybody can just jump
in anywhere they want to. He said to me, when
you pray for change, my answer will always be disruption,
because you cannot have change without disruption, he says, But

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don't be distracted by the disruption, because sometimes we are
so distracted by the disruption that we become paralyzed by
the disruption and think that our only job is to
get it back to the way it was. Because he
goes on to say to me that disruption always brings

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a gift for those.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Who seek it in the disruption.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Wow, and I'm chaoused about I mean, I wrote about it,
I thought about it, I meditated on it. I chewed
it up like Nick Boles if you all know, if
that's old timey stuff. But I mean, I couldn't get
all the juice out of it because it's I look
back over my life, the biggest advancements and opportunities were

(29:04):
born in disruption, and I've had to resist the temptation
to run from the disruption and just to try to
make everything be like it was, but to transition and
see the gift that disruption comes to bring me, even

(29:26):
though it may be outside of my comfort zone. Anybody
want to jump on that, just jump in. I'll jump
right in.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
Most of the things that God has disrupted for me,
I loved everything that he disrupted. I was in love
with my job. I was in love with my members,
I was in love with my career. I was in
love with how I worked, my structure, my style.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Everything is perfect.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
It's the way I wanted it, and so for it
to be disrupted that was dangerous to me. Now I'm
having to step into an area that I I gotta
trust God for. I haven't had to trust God for
any of these things. And I know that may sound bad,
but those things have been laid out. All I had
to do was do what I needed to do, which
was a map that had been laid and it was fine.

(30:13):
But when that got disrupted, now I'm going to trust
God for a whole new structure, a whole new organization,
a whole new culture, a whole new design. And the
temptation for me was to run back to that disruption
because I loved that disruption, and that disruption has been beneficial.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
That's good, that's good. Tevin Letta, I saw you. You
look like he was about to preciate for a minute.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
What are you thinking.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
I mean, I love disruption. I think when when it comes,
I embrace it.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
You know, at my early age it was it was
I think that's how I got into this, this this
game of music by disruption. And I'm always looking because
I look as like as an opportunity.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
God is showing me something. He's better than me.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
He's quick in my mind, he's he's uplifting me to
go to the next chapter.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
And I always prepared.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
I always was never afraid of falling down in the
disruption because I know I'm I can always get back
up with God help, I can. I can't lose. So
when disruption comes, when it's get confusing, it gets a
little tricky at the beginning, and because it's it's excitement, lockery,
promise A.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Coming up here as disruptive because I'm not speaking. I
don't speak when you have me to speel like all
these people.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
But yes, I do it.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
I jump into it, don't. I don't run away from it.
Because God got some bummy in this disruption. So you speaking,
I know I'm going to touch somebody. They say, Oh
Tim never talk. I never heard him speak. Because I
feel like I have to open up. I have to
do stuff different. I have to do what God is
calling me to do. I know he's going to say,
I got you, he got me. And sometimes it's hard

(31:51):
to walk into something that you can't see, that you
don't know, don't have no nothing, You just walking into it.
But I allow it. I walk by f and I
just allow it, and I just know that I can
get back up. I know it's not going to be easy.
I know everything in life don't nothing come easy. But
if you stick through it, the prize is at the end.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Absolutely absolutely, And even though you're not a preacher. Doctor
Jill's not a preacher either, by the way, But even
though you're not a preacher, I would wager that you could,
You could, would and will reach more people than any
of us who connect with you on a level that's
so important that give you give us credibility in certain

(32:36):
audiences that they say, if he thinks it's cool, it
must be cool. So welcome to the party. Brother, You're welcome.
You're welcome at the table. You're not being measured, you're
not being weighed, You're being welcomed to the party. Anybody
else want to jump on this disruption thing, because I mean,

(32:59):
I don't embrace it like like Timberlin says he does.
It's a process for me to embrace it. I think
that's why the Holy Spirit laid that on my heart,
because my first reaction to a disruption is to go
fix it.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know, I'm a man.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
We like to fix everything, So if something is broken
or changed, I want to fix it. I find out
that some things are not to be fixed, they were
meant to be broken. Leave them broken, let them go
and open up to new ideas and new possibilities.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
For me, disruption is I think in some ways exciting
because when you are a part of something that is
so structured, it's so resistant to change.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
It's almost like it has to be disrupted for change
to occur.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
And so I see it as the ground is leveling,
so now we can all put something in and we
can all kind of add to the direction that we
are about to go.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
So when you are in a system that.

Speaker 9 (34:04):
Refuses to change, no matter what the information is saying,
no matter what the people are saying, because often it's
the people that lead in many things, including medicine, and.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
The structure just won't move.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
But when disruption occurs and all of the walls are
broken down, now we.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Get to move forward, and we get thrust forward.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
I mean, we have changed so many things during this pandemic.
There has been so much information and so many things
have changed, and we have taken advantage of all of
this technology and all of these things that we were
not using or utilizing because we were so stuck in

(34:49):
the way that we've done it forever. And now we
were forced to move forward and the thrust forward, and
then everybody has to learn something that they didn't know,
so you don't have to be the new person in
the room. Nobody knows what's.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Going on, right, so you don't have to.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Be scared for somebody to say to you listen, you know,
or to say to somebody, teach me how to do this,
because none of us know how to do it. So
I see it as a great opportunity and also the
opportunity to learn something new.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I am driven by learning new stuff. It is just
like a game to me. I am a kid in
the in the candy store.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
If there some new stuff to learn, please give it
to me. And why isn't everybody else in the room
excited about it too? So I think when things are disrupted,
we all get the opportunity to learn something new and
to go in a direction that we did not even
know we were capable of going in that direction.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
You are one of the things that I know about you.
When I first started going to see you, it seems
like you had forty class Today. You're courageous. You shattered
the system and went to this concierge model. At a time,
I'm thinking about all the women out there that are

(36:12):
going into entrepreneurship and going into business. What type of
courage did it take for you to shatter the system
of medicine as it existed for you and just say
I'm not going to do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I'm going to go do this.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Well, I think there were a couple of pivots in there.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Not only did I change the way that I do medicine,
but I also changed and became a business person and
started moving on the front because we created a business
out of.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
This as well.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
What I say is you have to know that it
is going to be okay. And that sounds tripe, but
what it means is this, if you are a person
who is smart enough to conceive it, you are smart
enough to get the pieces that you can consume and

(37:08):
you can put together.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
But there's one other thing that you have to know.
You have to know what your limitations are.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
So when you run up on something that is that'side
of your wheelhouse, you need to know to pull in
other people to help you you because if you don't
do that, then you can just continue to go around
and around. But it takes great courage, so you cannot.
You can use the pivot as a platform on which

(37:38):
to propel you into something different, or you can use
the pivot as an anchor to keep you where you are.
And if you do that, you will never move into
the new place. You will never ever get there. So
you just have to take the opportunity during the disruption

(37:59):
to go ahead and move forward. If nobody can see,
then you can run on and.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Get ahead of everybody else.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Because they can't see, they don't know what's going on,
so you have to. So I see it as an
opportunity to move. And if you can always go back
to what you were doing, I mean, you know, if
you are smart enough to figure some things out, if you.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Got to cut grass, you're gonna be okay.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
You just got to pivot and know that you're gonna
have eliminade stand and you gonna cut grass, and you
go to trim trees and you're gonna do whatever you
need to do. But you've got to take the opportunity
of the and use utilize the disruption.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think that people who start churches or start businesses
or start companies instill something in their children that's a
little bit different than other people. Then that is that
you're gonna be okay. You know if you have to
do this, and you have to do that, you have
to do the other You're gonna be okay. What to

(39:00):
tell the first the best sermon you ever preaches to yourself,
and what you tell yourself has a lot to do
when I'm when I'm talking about don't drop the mic,
it's not always about getting up on a stage and
what you say to other people, because it also starts
with what you say to yourself. And when you said,
I'm gonna be okay, I may have to cut grass

(39:22):
and open up eliminating stand, but I'm that that philosophical
ideology placed down inside of you opens up in in
my theological language, faith coming by hearing and hearing by
the word of God to believe. You know that that
that's a significant part of it. In your in your

(39:48):
own core values. You have to have core values that
says failure is not an option. You know, I'm not
gonna fail. I might not win this way, i may
have to go that way, but when everything said and done,
I'm gonna land on my feet. Now I'm gonna be theological.

(40:08):
I'm God's child, I'm the child of a king. One
way or the other, He's gonna bring me through this
if I put the work in. I don't think that
God is gonna bring lazy people through things while they
sit up and do nothing. If you put the work in,
it's gonna be. It's gonna happen. Peter, get me out
of trouble. Am I in trouble?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Here?

Speaker 7 (40:29):
You're not in trouble. I was just thinking as doctor
Jill was speaking and as you were following up. You know,
the gift of disruption at first is not a gift
the pastor in me comes out and says, there's a
grieving process, you know, because when you're disrupted, fundamentally something
happened outside of your control that changed your landscape. And

(40:51):
we can point to twenty twenty as a great example
of that. I think we're all still grieving while we're pivoting,
and so I think when you embrace the grief that
things are not going to be the same, then you
can move on. And the two gifts. I love what
doctor Wagner said. She said something new can come out.
But I think the other gift for me with disruption

(41:13):
is you really find out what's important in those seasons
when things are disrupted. It's a breakdown of what you
were leaning on that maybe wasn't so important in the
first place. And for me personally, the gift of twenty twenty,
amidst all the sadness and just so much grief and pain,
was I really feel like I received a lens about

(41:36):
the things that were the most important. The things that
I knew I would be doing fifty years from now
and that I wanted to spend my life doing, they
were revealed in that season of disruption. And I think
that's the greatest gift is it causes you to sit
back and say, why did I lean on that? Why
was I putting my hope in my trust in these
things that are so shakeable. What are the things that

(41:58):
I'm gonna that I want to cherish, that I want
to build in that's gonna last, that's gonna be eternal.
And so that's just to me. When we talk about disruption,
I think there's a gift in it.

Speaker 8 (42:09):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
But to be honest, I think that that has to
take place in community. One thing we haven't really talked
about too much is is this perspective here is grieving
around people and talking about, uh that that disruption. So
when you find people that that can relate to you,
that can relate to your pain, that can relate to
the grief of what we're all experiencing, and even see

(42:32):
it from a different lens. I think it gives us
all a sigh of relief that we're we're in the
same boat. I loved what what you said, Doctor Wagon.
You said, man, we no one knows what to do.
We're all trying to figure this thing out. We don't
have to be experts, uh but but but we do
have to be willing to embrace the new and and
I think that's the gift.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
You know that the disruption gives.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Empathy is so important to recovery. Where there is no empathy,
recovery becomes difficult to attain, I think in my mind,
and I'm not gonna take too much more of your time,
but as a Christian, one of the things that I
talk about in telling the Gospel story. In films, you

(43:18):
have a story, somebody writes a novel, and then when
you sit down to make a script, you have to
decide which one of the characters is going to talk.
And as we come into this resurrection season, we're looking
back at a triumphant moment where Christ raises from the dead,

(43:39):
and that's wonderful because we know how the story is.
But in real time, speed to be one of the
disciples who gave up your job and walked away from
everything and followed this guy for three years and you
thought he was going to be king on earth and
then he.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Ends up on the cross. The cross is pretty disruptive.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Judas hangs himself, Thomas quits and says, I'm going out.
Peter denies him. But the whole story of the season
is very disruptive, with grief, with emotions, with trauma, trauma.
But just because something is traumatic doesn't mean it can't
be triumphant. And so when we look at the cross,

(44:24):
you know, we often tell the story, but we really
don't tell the story through the through the eyes of
the people who were banking on Jesus to do something
on earth and he ends up ascending to the right
hand of the Father. That's cool, But where do I
go to work now?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
You know?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
What am I going to do with this or that
or the other? Faith is disruptive. The whole ecosystem of
walking out on water is disruptive. I get clearly what
Peter's saying, though there is a moment of empathy and

(45:06):
connectivity and grieving over what was lost. And then you
can't get stuck in that stage. So you have to
have something that takes you to the next level, Joe,
that puts you in a position of discovery, from disruption

(45:28):
to discovery innovation. If we were in another setting and
we were in with people of technology, we would call
it innovation, and innovation is often created out of disruption.
We're not being innovative to be innovative. We're being innovative
because necessity now requires that we have to make something

(45:50):
happen that wasn't happening before. And if you're watching right now,
there's a reason you're watching right now. Maybe you need
to hear this. Maybe you need to here that this
is not the time to stop talking, drop your mic,
throw in your towel, have a big pity party, walk
away from life, and just say I'm gonna just mourn

(46:13):
at the graveside of what used to be.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Maybe this is.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
The time for you to have an encounter, a resurrected
encounter where you encounter of Jesus you don't recognize because
you recognize it before the cross, but not after the cross.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Are you.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You don't recognize, a job, you don't recognize, an opportunity
you don't recognize. But that rebirthing cycle that keeps going
on in all of our lives is the epitome of
what faith is all about. And you have to be
able to do that. And I keep going back to this.
It is what you say to yourself, if you say

(46:57):
to yourself, this is the end. It's over. I'm done
with what people don't understand about me. I didn't start
saying a word of God to talk to you. I
started saying in a word of God to talk to me.
And the birls that I dug into the word of
God to find healing for me became sisterns of living

(47:20):
water that sprung up and started quenching the thirst of
others around me. But it would mean me no, It
would do me no good to quench your thirst and
leave me perched. So you have to find a way
to bounce back in some way. And in order to
bounce back, you have to be willing to embrace. And

(47:43):
this is to me the thing that there's something ahead
of me that's greater than what was behind me. Absolutely, Joe,
what do you think about that?

Speaker 8 (47:53):
Absolutely bishop back to what you said something what you
say to yourself. When I was having to make a decision,
was I going to move to Dallas, Texas? Was I
going to stay at Oklahoma? Oklahoma is a phenomenal job.
I could have stayed there. I could have continued to
get raises and been what I was, but I was

(48:13):
never going to be what God called me to be
if I didn't step out.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
And walk away from that.

Speaker 8 (48:19):
I wanted to discover how to be a great communicator,
but I knew I couldn't be a great communicator and
have that kind of job because that got all of
my time in the community to train to communicate, got
this much time. So when I got the opportunity to
come work for you, I wrestled with the fact that
I was going to disrupt something that was very good.

(48:42):
It was my decision to rip it up. And I
struggled with that and I grieved over that. Like Peter said,
it hurt me and I didn't have anybody to talk
to it about. The second thing, even though I had
this huge opportunity to discover, I didn't realize when I
made this disruption, I disrupted things in my wife's life

(49:03):
and I disrupted things in my daughter's life. I didn't
recognize that until I got on the plane of discovery.
While I was enjoying what I was learning, my wife
and my daughter were still in disruption. So I had
to deal with that and still try to discover and

(49:24):
still have the fragments of what was being disrupted. It
was difficult for me, and it still is difficult for me.
But what I'm discovery makes it so much easy because
now I'm realizing now I made the right decision, because
for about three or four months I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I did not know.

Speaker 8 (49:49):
So the discovery mode, as I started discovering this works.
Where Bishop is teaching me is working. This is really working.
This is really working. This is really working. But it
goes back to what doctor Jill said and Peter, you
got to have somebody in your life.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
They can tell you that too, because you can't do
it by yourself.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
You'll pay more attention to what you left the fragments
and the disaster, and you'll walk away from what you
want to discover.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
In the last few minutes of our time together, and
I'm gonna give you a moment to think about if
you could anticipate your next pivot, your next shift, because
a real pivot has to begin early. If you're driving

(50:35):
a Volkswagen, you can wait till you get to the
corner and then turn, But if you're driving an eighteen wheeler,
you have to start positioning yourself before you get to
the corner in order to make the turn. If it's
not too personal, have you given any thought to what
your next pivot is? And can you give us, give

(50:57):
us some brief synopsis of if you see the corner coming,
what would your next pivot look and and and how
are you positioning for that for that pivot if you're
comfortable and it doesn't have to be everybody, but it
is anybody comfortable with talking about, uh, your next pivot?

Speaker 7 (51:22):
Well, Bishop, you mentioned my five children, and I think
of you know, they they are my pivot, and I'm
I'm thinking about how can I set them up for
success in a world that I don't think anyone knows
what's going to look like in twenty years, And so
in my in my thinking personally, you know, one of
the convictions I have is that is that really understanding

(51:46):
are this may seem seem random, but understanding where our
food comes from understanding some of the more basic things
of society, growing food, uh, sustainability, things like that. I
really want to equip my children in because of technology,
the gift that it is, but there's also some handicaps
that I think it's producing in the next generation that

(52:09):
I really want to equip my children to be able
to handle those challenges that I see coming in. So
that may be a little bit broad, and I think
I see some of you nodding like you understand that concept,
But that's really what I'm thinking. As a father, I've
got five young children. How can I position them to
succeed in a world that's going to be radically different

(52:29):
when they're in their twenties and thirties.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
That's excellent. I understand that as a father, I get
it completely. Is very important. Anybody else I.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Was actually thinking the same thing.

Speaker 10 (52:41):
My pivot is to prepare my children to build on
the legacy that I have made for them and to
take it into the future.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
So what I am trying to do is give them
the knowledge that I have.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
And teaching them or hoping to help them learn how
to take this knowledge and this experience and build something
that will last in the future.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
But also how to learn.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Not to just be workers, but so where they learn
not to do something that they have to do themselves,
but they learn to expand so that they will be
able to build something that develops itself and grows itself

(53:39):
where they don't physically.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Have to have their hands in it. So I'm hoping
and it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Can they be ahead of their peers in taking the
information that I'm giving them and using that those years
of experience and building on top of that, taking their
energy and their knowledge that is futuristic, putting that together

(54:06):
and building something for their future and generations to come.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I get it. I get it. That's two people on
two different generations.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
I'm really surprised that Peter, as young as he is,
to be thinking that that smartly about succession. And you
know that's that's a very precocious notion that most people
don't get to they're around sixty to start thinking about
how important it is to prepare for the next generation. Timlin,

(54:41):
what's your next pivot?

Speaker 6 (54:42):
I believe my next pivot is what everybody has said
on this call, is to really raise up my kids
and lead generational wealth and for them to pass on
to other people. I just really I think my next
pivot is really to it's do as much into my kids,
to build a company that you know, so they know
how to persevere, to show them, like, you know, everything

(55:04):
don't come easy. And not just only my kids, you know,
just my family. It's really I feel like my next
chapter pivot is to give back to people who don't
know how to pivot.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I think my calling down.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Is to have wealth, not to really help to give
it out, but to show people how to how do
you financial literature? Try to teach these people. Look, I
give you this, you get this? Now, what do you
do to get a back account? Do you pay taxes?
Really give set up wealth to help other people to

(55:39):
help wealth, you know. I feel like it's a big
it's a big gap in wealth and generation, especially in
our community. It's a big gap. And I feel like
whatever I can do with my platform, I don't know
what everybody else I just want. That's why I invest
into pay seeds, pay my tithes because I know that

(56:00):
when I invest into the Potter's House, I know my
my it's getting spreaded just like how I envision it's
getting used in a certain way that's what I want
to do. I want to always just pivot, to give back,
to build up other things in other people, not just
to build up my little hut, but to build up

(56:20):
a big hut in the world, hut like Wukanda.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
If I can build that with you, I.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
Think that's I think that's important. I mean, how much
do you need?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
You need?

Speaker 6 (56:32):
It's important to help other people in their dreams that
don't have back it like for example, Uh, it's this
girl named.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Amber Palmer that she came to me about. I forgot
that it's called pooch, but he was working on the name.
It's called pooch, and she said she's seventeen.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
She came to me with a business plan that she
thinks that for cops pulling black people, you know, people
raised over and it's harassing.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
She said, I built a pouch to put on dashboards so.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
I don't people don't have to go looking for their
ID for police.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
You know.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
You know, she's staking ahead of the future.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
And I thought that was so brilliant, and I felt like,
that's my calling to help these young geniuses of the
world investigate product, believe in their product, help them right
business plan, get them the right lawyers up. We're not
doing the same things that we've done in the past.
I mean, just trying to use my gift to give
others fascinating.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
That's powerful. Joe. I'm in my pivot right now.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
I'm in my pivod right now and being here learning
to be a greater communicator and learning entrepreneurship from you.
Right now. I've got one son that has a business.
I've got a second son that's preparing to start a business.
I've got a third son that's launched, a third daughter
that's launching her business. And then here I am, the

(57:55):
next woman's getting her to start a trucking company.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
So we are.

Speaker 8 (57:58):
All pivoting to get other to establish generational wealth and
uh an education. I've entered into Jake's divinity to go
after my doctorate in leadership.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
So I'm in my pivot because I.

Speaker 8 (58:11):
Believe it in the next three years, I'm going to
have to know how to communicate in all those lanes
to be successful.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Well, I have to tell all of you, you, all
four of you just really really frustrated me just now
because I thought I was the only one that had
this idea, and now now I find out everybody has
my pivot, the reason I'm doing what I'm doing now. Uh.

(58:40):
The whole notion behind don't drop the mic is about succession, planning,
that that that the stage is turning, Uh, that the
old guards are passing off the scene. New voices are
coming to make the transition from being on the stage
to becoming a stage and showcase other people. It's why

(59:03):
you're here. I want the world to meet you. I
want them to hear you think and speak and talk
and feel and to use whatever influence I have not
only for my children, but for the children of the world,
for the next generation. I don't think that it's good

(59:24):
that you always have to start at ground level zero.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I want you to be able to stand right here.
You know I already did that. You know, stand on
these shoulders and you can see higher, and you can
go further. And I want that to happen. And what
I am saying to the next generation is you're up
to mad it's your turn. It's your time. The stage
is set in the world. His turn is head to

(59:51):
hear what you have to say. Don't drop the mic. No, yeah, yeah,
don't drop the mic. Be in the back. We'll be
in the shadows. We'll be in the corner. We'll be
the coach. We'll hand you water, We'll get you stitched
up if you can get your nose mustard. But don't

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drop the mic, because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
The whole world is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Listening for the next sound, and it must come from you,
not for me. It must come from you, because you
have the lifespan that it takes to carry greatness out.
You need time. And so I think I'm so legacy

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focused that I thought I was the only and then
I talked to you, and everybody's thinking the same thing.
You just destroy my whole concept. But no, I think
I think, if anything, you underscored that there is a
point in life where you live for something other than yourself,

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that's bigger than you, that's more important than you. And
you want to help to facilitate the acquisition of somebody
else's dreams, not just handing you stuff, not just giving you,
because if I give you something without teaching you how
to handle it, you're going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
To lose it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But to gradually position you into a position, it's like this,
I'll say this and close. Moses walk with God one
hundred and twenty years Moses walked with God he gets
down to the end, he sees the promised land. He
doesn't get to go. He goes up in the mountain

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one more time and never comes back down again. The
people down at the bottom of the mountain cried. While
they are crying over Moses being dead, God has turned
his head to Joshua and said, now, Moses, my servant
is dead. As I was with Moses, so shall I

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be with you? And it lets you know that God
doesn't spend time in cemeteries and graveyards weeping over yesterday.
He turns his head to the next generation and says,
it's your turn. And I feel like the world has
turned his head. I feel like God is turning his head.
The annoying is turning his head. And all I'm saying

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to you is, don't let your fears and insecurities and
insufficiencies and inconsistencies stop you from taking the opportunity. Do
not drop the mic. And to tell you, everybody scared,
it's okay, everybody's scared. Feel the fear and do it anyway.

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We had a nice conversation. Is there anything that we
left out? Anybody wants to say you want to be
heard or somethings on your heart you want to leave
us with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I want to say, first of all, thank you so much, bishops.
This was amazing, and think all of you. I am
so excited that I was at the opportunity. But I
want to say to those of us who are thinking
about legacy that we don't want to drop the mic
too soon either, because as the next generation takes the

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mantle and they are going forth, they are going to
need the benefit of our experience. And if we hold
on to that information that we have and we do
not give it to them and communicate it to them effectively,
then they have to start all over. So it is
incumbon upon us to make sure that we communicate it

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to them and give them all of the pieces so
they don't have to go searching for this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
They can move on to their next thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
They gave me cold chills. That they gave me cold chills.
The danger of dropping the mic too soon, yes that
that that is quite profound, because you do need ramp
up time. Yes, you need ramp up time. You need

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a stupid time to do stupid things and be stupid
and say stupid things, because what's next is not as
easy as it was when you dreamed it. The dream
is so much easier than the reality. When you get
into the reality, there's going to be knocks and bruises

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and bumps and enemies and problems and contracts and issues
and mistakes and mishaps and crisis. That's a part of development.
So uh, you know, having somebody who's still around, uh,
keep helping you to get your rhythm. You know, speaking

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is a rhythm. Anybody who's a great speaker or a
great comedian will tell you that that. Like music has
a rhythm, great speaking has the rhythm. It has a flow,
it has an ebb, it has a tide, it has
a curve, it has a melody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
It's symphonic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
And and so as you get your rhythm, we have
to be careful not to walk away and and and
move off to Florida somewhere and and get all sand
covered too quickly, even though Timberlin's in Florida. Uh, we can't.
We can't drop the mic too fast. I think that's powerful.

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Anybody else have foindal words, some smart people.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
I just think you know, like you said something in
this like I always you say the steps along the
way right, I always tell somebody you, you probably will
drop the mic, but you better go pick it up. Yeah,
go pick it, Go pick it up.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
This is just for a season. Don't don't don't let
this that that's just the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
That's not the goal. Go pick that mic up. You
that's good and and nothing like you. We always said
all of a sudden, nothing is easy, And I think
that's very important because people look at your success.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
And be like, oh wow, no, it's a process. Will
drop the mic.

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
But the point of not don't drop the mic is okay,
you can drop it, it's okay, but pick that mic up.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
You don't know your destiny is waiting right in front of you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Keep going, redemption, redemption. That's that's good, that's good.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
Anybody else, Bishop, I'll just say this as the youngest
guy in the room, I'm making assumptions here. You didn't
Your book doesn't say don't stop speaking. I think there's
a time, especially my generation, as we hold on to
that mic, we should shut up and listen to what
the next generation is saying the older generation and learn.

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We can still hold on to that mic, but there's
a time to be silent. There's a time to speak
and That's why I think is amazing to me. Not
dropping the mic is representative of hanging on to that
identity that we do have something to say, but there
may be a timing to win when we get that
permission and that grace to really say it. And in

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those seasons where we don't have an audience, Man, speak
it to yourself, and you said that a number of times.
That's the victory right there, is when you speak it
to yourself and you believe it, then I think God
will entrust you with an audience. And so I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I love this. I love our conversation. I do it,
I do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
What's going to be a great conversation. I'm just saying,
when you bring in diverse people from different streams of consciousness,
you get this kind of orchestrated symphony that I think
is amazing. I just want to say this quick thought,
and I'll give it right to you, Joel. One of
the things I spent some time in the book talking about,

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it's a connection between the ear and the mouth. If
you lose your hearing, your speech will deteriorate automatically. The
apparatus is still there, but in order to enunciate correctly.
You have to hear to speak, and so being a

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great orator, it's really about being a great listener. Being
a great teacher is really about being a great student
and learning to listen rather than running to speak. Is
how you have longevity because you're always You've always got
your ear to the ground. I mean, Timbolin's still here

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because he's kept his ear to There are so many
people who started with this guy who are gone. And
I don't mean just did just just just waxed, irrelevant
to the music industry. But he kept his ear to
the ground. What's up, what's next, Let's do this, Let's
do that, let's do the other that. There are so

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many people that went to school with doctor Jill that
are that are not doing anything with their degree. There
are so many people that started even as young as
you are with you that didn't go through. You have
to keep listening and keep your ear to the ground.
I'm sorry, Joel, I'm taking up your time. Go ahead, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
I wish I could say I was gonna say what
you were getting ready, but you just said but it
was just a little off. I think we should value
you guys. And when I say you guys. I mean,
I all respect you, generals of the faith, doctor Jill's Timberland.
You've created castles and those of us that are trying

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to learn the lanuage. We've got to build relationships with
people like that, not just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Desire the mic.

Speaker 8 (01:10:06):
I think we were desiring the mic and we don't
have the relationships, and so we're not learning.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
What do you do when the mic is off? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
You know, so we got to learn how to really
build relationships and have that coach in our pocket and
value that relationship. We lost so many powerful and prominent
men in twenty twenty. Those relationships are gone, and the
only thing that that student remembers are the things that
happen those relationships, those conversations, so that they won't drop

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the mic. I think there's so many things that we
can benefit from if we would just value the relationship.
So when the mic is passed, you already have the
language whether the mic is owner off.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Wow, I couldn't say it any better myself. I think
I don't know whether you got anything out of this,
but I have been having a ball over here. I
love sitting down at a table that has diverse screen
consciousness that where people are honest and they're flowing, and
they're transparent and their relax and I hope that you

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got fed in some way. I hope that you are
challenged in some way. We've had a good time. This
has been authentic. I forgot we were actually just zooming
or producing anything. This has been really just we could
just do this with some chicken wings and it would
be good to me. Maybe one of the gifts that

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the pandemic did leave us is a greater appreciation for connection. Yes,
and just to connect with you guys for a few
minutes has really really been great for me, and I
hope it's been great for audience, and I hope it's
been great for you. I sincerely love every one of

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you from the very depths of my heart. I'm glad
to see you. I'm glad you're doing well. You're looking good,
You're not French kissing a ventilator. Yes, yes, you know,
we got to be thankful for some new stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Now that old. You got to get rid of that old.
We got to update that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Listen, start thanking God for stuff that we didn't think
about before. What a blessing. All I can do is
say thank you, and hope that that somebody hurt us,
and that somebody listened, and that their lives are changed.
And you've given me three sequels to my don't drop

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the mic. If you do, dropping picking back up again,
I see I see about three series coming out of this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Thank you all so much.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
We love you, Bishop, thank you, love you, love you,
love you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
I feel the love. I feel like a group hug.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
Thank you,