October 22, 2024 • 35 mins
Tisha Campbell on Finding Purpose, Overcoming Fear & Her Journey in Hollywood!
In this exclusive Black in the Green Room interview, host Keith L. Underwood sits down with the incredible Tisha Campbell as she shares her inspiring story of resilience, success, and self-discovery. From iconic TV roles to her latest projects, Tisha opens up about the highs and lows of Hollywood, what keeps her motivated, and why embracing your purpose is the ultimate key to unlocking your true potential.
✨ "The real power is in your purpose—once you find it, nothing can stop you."
Join us for a raw, honest conversation where Tisha reflects on facing fears, breaking barriers, and staying grounded in an ever-changing industry. Don’t miss her gems of wisdom and personal anecdotes that will leave you feeling inspired and empowered to chase your dreams!
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In this exclusive Black in the Green Room interview, host Keith L. Underwood sits down with the incredible Tisha Campbell as she shares her inspiring story of resilience, success, and self-discovery. From iconic TV roles to her latest projects, Tisha opens up about the highs and lows of Hollywood, what keeps her motivated, and why embracing your purpose is the ultimate key to unlocking your true potential.
✨ "The real power is in your purpose—once you find it, nothing can stop you."
Join us for a raw, honest conversation where Tisha reflects on facing fears, breaking barriers, and staying grounded in an ever-changing industry. Don’t miss her gems of wisdom and personal anecdotes that will leave you feeling inspired and empowered to chase your dreams!
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(upbeat music)
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You are black in the green room with me,
your host Keith Underwood and this is your spot.
For real talk about entertainment with entertainers,
creatives and showbiz professionals.
Joining me in the room today
with iconic roles in House Party, Martin,
and my wife and kids,
this multi-talented actress and comedian
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known for her sharp wit and magnetic presence
will be bringing her stand-up show,
damn, Jaina, to the ice house in Pasadena on October 10th.
Welcome to the room, Tisha Campbell.
What's up, what's up?
Hey, what's happening?
What an intro, that's a nice intro.
(00:45):
You know, I try to do a little something, so I see.
I see you with your research, I see you.
(laughing)
How you been?
I've been really, really joyful.
Nice, I love that.
Oh, that just sounds so full,
and it's not as so full when you said it.
Yeah.
Tisha, if you could step into the shoes
of any of your past characters for just one day,
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who would it be?
And what kind of a journey would you take them on?
Oh my God, that is the hardest question ever.
(laughing)
Okay, it's so funny because I don't normally watch
my work because growing up in the business,
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like you're only as good as your last jobs.
So soon as one's over, you're on to the next or what is next?
So there's plenty of things that I've never seen before,
but I guess,
ah, me, ah, ah, ah, my wife and kids.
(01:52):
My wife and kids, okay.
Yeah, yeah, I think.
I think my wife and kids,
I learned a lot on that show and I learned,
I wasn't a mother when I first started,
and now, by the second season, I was a mom.
So I think, just that whole entire journey
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of becoming a mom and then realizing,
while one said that I was the mother
of a special needs child,
that whole journey was so,
when you first get the diagnosis,
my son is on the spectrum,
on ASD, autism spectrum disorder.
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And at first, it's one of the most devastating things
in the world, but God,
if I could just tell that mom back then
that everything is gonna be okay
and they choose you for a reason.
You know what I mean? I think that would be the journey
and that would be the talk that I would have with myself.
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Yeah, that's nice.
It's just so very profound.
And I think most people would have expected
like a party answer.
You know?
Oh, yeah, no, not for me.
Right, exactly.
We're doing, we're doing grown folks talk.
You've been in the game since childhood
and creating memorable moments in comedy, drama,
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and music, what's been the most defining moment
of your career so far?
Oh gosh, you can't even ask me that question.
That is, your questions are so profound,
but it's so hard because there's been many,
like there's been so many,
though I would say the first one was when I decided to
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be in show business in the first place,
and I'm sure people have heard me say this story before,
but I grew up in New York, New Jersey,
and probably, you know, it was, it was,
it was an underprivileged area.
We grew up really, really poor eating like mayonnaise sandwiches
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and government cheese sandwiches and,
and serve sandwiches.
And we didn't have much, but we had each other.
And I was very conscious as a child of how poor we really were,
especially when the lights were off, or, you know,
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we were hiding the toaster from the welfare man,
or my father from the welfare man,
'cause you couldn't have a husband if you were on welfare.
Well.
And I remember at about five years old,
I started singing when I was three.
My, both my parents were singers.
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And about five years old, we didn't have a color television
that worked.
We had a big color television and the 13 inch screen,
black and white that actually worked
that sat on top of the color television.
- Right.
- And I heard about a contest,
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and I wanted to enter it because the second prize
was a color television.
- Wow.
- And I wanted to win it for my family,
'cause we didn't have one that worked.
So I begged my mom to enter me in the contest.
They did, her and my dad,
I was one of two child groups in the entire contest.
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And I wound up not winning the car.
I'm sorry, not winning the television, I won a car.
I won the first prize.
Which of course, I'm five and I'm pissed.
- And we're out of your mind.
- So I dropped the keys,
plus my brother was eating my Cheetos.
I went to go kill him.
- And when they grabbed me and pulled me back,
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I saw my mother crying and my dad jumping up and down.
I was like, oh yeah, we don't have a car either.
And so that was the defining moment in my life
when I knew that I could help people.
I could help my family out of their circumstances.
And I guess that carried its way throughout,
the theme of my life,
because I felt like what I can offer is some kind of
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help service support.
I can make people cry, I can make people laugh,
I can make people think I could change mindsets maybe.
I just felt like I could help in some way.
And instead of looking at this business
for the trying to get money or trying to get fame,
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I was doing it to help other people.
Like I could acquire money and that money would go to servitude.
- Right.
- And I think, and I always talk about how there's a difference
between being an artist and a celebrity.
An artist understands that they are here to serve other people.
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And a celebrity believes that they're here to be served.
And so I took that theme and I applied that to my entire life
and to my entire career in this industry.
- Yes.
- That's why I probably didn't get caught up in a whole box.
(laughing)
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- You said I am a service, I ain't trying to get a new phone with you.
- Let me do my job, okay?
And that's the other thing, it's just a job.
Like I always tell my kids, my kids don't know any different.
It's just a job to them.
You know, you have great questions.
- Thank you, I appreciate that.
You know, I knew I was meeting with you today,
so I said I gotta be on my game.
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- Okay.
(laughing)
- Thank you.
- So T-Shop, you know, being predominantly known as an actress
and then transitioning into comedy and stand up comedy.
What was that journey like for you
and what were your anticipations from the audience
and then how did they receive you?
(07:57):
- That's another great question.
Man, let me tell you something.
This is a genre of this industry
that I've always wanted to try.
Now, back, I'm gonna take you back to like the early, early 90s.
This is even before I got my, I'm sorry, Martin Show.
So this is before '92.
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So around '89, '90, I was mostly known for doing musical theater
and dramas.
Now, if you needed a girl to cry on the spot,
that was your girl.
And when I started auditioning for comedy,
I couldn't get arrested.
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I didn't understand it.
I didn't know how to support my other character
of the other people in the scenes.
And at the time, they were giving all these comedians,
these stand up comedians deals.
So I knew in order for me to be, you know,
a girlfriend or a wife or something,
I had to understand what comedy was
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and I started auditioning, even though I didn't get it,
I was auditioning.
And this one casting director said to me,
"Tisha, you need sitcom classes."
And I was like, "Oh, okay.
"Okay, where do I get those?"
And she was like, "There aren't any."
And I was like, "Oh, God."
(laughing)
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So I knew I had to figure it out quickly.
And so I started sitting and like,
just going to all the comedy venues, comedy store,
comedy act theater, the improv,
like I would just sit in the back with the comedians
to try to figure out what the heck is comedy.
And I noticed that the people who went up
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were the one who were really successful
in getting the deals were the ones who were telling their truths.
They were telling the truth.
And I was like, "Oh, there's a thin line between the two
"because in any other venue, in any other place,
"if they were just telling the story,
"it might be a sad story."
So I knew there was a thin line between comedy and drama.
And I knew that at this point, once I figured it out,
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I could waltz with these comedians
and enhance what they already have.
The other part of it though was sitting back
in the back with the comedians back then,
they were kind of brutal to one another.
Like when one would make that walk up to the stage,
the other comedians would talk badly about them.
And you know that was happening
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as you were going up on the stage.
And I was like, "Ugh, there's no camaraderie."
Oh God, I don't think I can handle this kind of, you know,
I didn't think that I could handle it.
And so for years, I'd been avoiding it,
but comedian friends of mine would always go,
you should try it, you're funny, you have a lot of stories
to tell, you should do it.
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And I was like, "No, no, no, no, no,
"you're not gonna get me out there,
"that would be crazy, right, Bob?"
So this year, at the beginning of this year,
it was a mistake.
D-nice was doing a residency
at the Kennedy Center in Washington, DC, 4,000 people, right?
And so he had a three night stay there,
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and it was comedy the first night.
It was club quarantine the second night
and then club quarantine, gospel, the third night.
So since I was coming to support him anyway,
his people reached out to me and was like,
"Hey, D lost his, his host, do you mind bringing people up?"
And I saw the line up, it was Gina Yashire,
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it was Chris Spencer, it was Sherry Shepherd,
it was Michael Checkney, it was all these big names.
And I was like, "Yeah, I can bring them up, no,
"I can't do this."
She was like, "Yeah, do 15 minutes before."
And I was like, "Huh?"
(laughing)
"What?"
She was like, "It's fine, Chris Spencer, I hope you."
I was like, "Chris, thank God, help me,
"you got ADD, right?"
"Hey, my name is Chris."
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(laughing)
I called Chris and Chris is like,
"I just tell a story," right?
And I was like, "I know he wasn't gonna help me,
"right so I knew."
'Cause me and Chris and Toshina, we were all friends
and we took writing classes together
and they had no attention to Spain, what's the effort?
(laughing)
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You said none at all.
No, none at all.
So, what line up happened is,
I knew I could get him to be still and give me some pointers.
He gave me pointers, I went out there
and I did a whole 15 minutes,
which is unheard of with a first-time comedian.
You might have a good five minute, right?
But I just told stories and I was myself
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and by the time I got off the stage,
Chris was getting calls about me going on the road.
He was getting calls, he had already made a call
to a stand-up agent,
who just, since people out,
I had an agent by the time I left the Kennedy Center.
And that's how it kind of started.
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And so, and I made a commitment to myself
during COVID isolation, which was,
I'm gonna do everything that I've ever wanted to do
in my life.
I'm gonna try it, at least once.
And so that's what happened.
You had a year of yes, right?
I had the year of the yes,
and that was the year of the yes for me.
That's absolutely amazing.
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So, how is this transition into comedy now?
How can we expect to see that manifest
in your upcoming show?
- Well, it's interesting because eventually
I would love to do a one-woman show
with all of the material that I'm putting together,
which incorporates music too,
but right now I'm just trying to master this.
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- Mm-hmm.
And now my agent who was brilliant enough to put
God rest his soul, David Arnold,
and Kim Whitley together,
she's now put me and Finesse Mitchell together.
And we're a great team.
We enhance one another.
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He really helps me, and I help him in other ways too.
So, we, and we've worked together before.
We worked on this Fox show together
where he played my husband.
So, we know each other very well,
and it's just been working out really, really, really well,
and it's been so fun to take this journey
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and talk about all the stuff about myself.
People get to really know me,
'cause most of the time they know caricatures of me,
not who I am as a person.
So, this has been such an amazing journey
of discovery and almost like therapy.
- Yeah, you know, I hear a lot of comics say that
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that being on stage and doing stand-up is therapeutic.
Why is that?
What is it about doing stand-up that makes it therapeutic?
- Man, I don't know.
It's when you're telling your truth,
and when you're really going in,
and, you know, 'cause it's not always beautiful up there,
like there are moments where you will bomb,
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but this, weird, it's weird.
It's like you have an appreciation for when you bomb too.
- Mm-hmm.
- You know, but that's life.
You know what I mean?
There's ups and downs, and you just,
you don't know what you're gonna get from any audience,
but what's been really great is the support that I've gotten.
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I thought it would be like it was in the '90s,
where everybody was really kind of a little bit
more cutthroat.
- Yes.
- But, man, from everybody, from,
from Dionne to Kim Whitley, Sherry, Gina, Yashire,
Tone Rock, all of these comedians have been so incredibly,
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oh, Damon Williams, all of them,
they've been so supportive of Marshall Warfield,
they just keep, they're like, Tisha, you can do it.
They push in me, and, you know, I wanted them to know
that I was taking it seriously, and that it means,
it does mean the world to me, and I respect their crap,
because it's something that I was afraid to do my whole life.
- Yes.
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Do you wanna see your comedy, like you were mentioning earlier,
that you said, hey, all the folks that are getting their own shows
or comedians, so are you hoping that your standup
and your routine will transition into maybe a television project
or a film that's kind of maybe centric
or centered around your life?
- It's funny, I don't look at it that way,
(16:34):
whatever this journey takes me, I'm with it.
I'm here for it, so if it does, it does,
if it doesn't, I get to share with people.
I get to share my life with people,
and I think that's what touches me more so than anything.
(16:55):
- Yeah, I love that, you're an empath.
So, I don't like that a lot.
So, I would have to say, Gina in Martin,
is probably one of your most iconic roles
and you had a great time playing the character.
What was the best part about playing Gina?
- Gina Arnold.
- And how did you keep her authentic
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and the audience loving her so much?
- No, to Gina Arnold was the best thing about the Martin show.
Like, we've all known each other from Tommy Carl,
Carl, me and Tashina grew up in this business together.
So, we've all known each other since we were 11 and 12 years old.
But Tashina was my best friend.
And to be able to take a journey with your bestie
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and have a good time and just laugh all the way through
every single moment, it was the best part of the Martin show
was Tashina Arnold.
- Yes.
And how do you think that relationship translated to the audience?
- I'm sure they could see it.
It was obvious, even if they didn't know that we've known each other
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since we were preteens, I'm sure a transfer to the audience
and they could see that.
They could see the genuine girl friend, bestie, energy.
- Yeah, you seem very strategic with your career.
(18:25):
And I know that a lot of it is just kind of living in the moment,
but you seem very strategic in your career.
What do you want to do next?
I mean, you've been a singer, you've done theater,
you've done television, you've done film.
What do you want to do next?
- All my life, I've wanted to be a writer.
(18:46):
Now, if you remember what I said earlier,
most of my career choices were based on helping other people.
Now that I'm in this new space, I'm kind of free to explore what Tisha wants to do.
And I've always wanted to be a writer and a producer.
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I never wanted to be a director because just would drive me crazy.
I don't really like actors that much like that.
- I was a publisher.
- I was a publisher for years, I get you.
- Ma'am. - Yes.
- I would run into that one actor who's neurotic and not nice,
and then I'll be a jail.
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So, directing is not for me, but writing is.
And I've always wanted to be a writer.
I was told that I couldn't, I was told that I shouldn't,
that I should just concentrate on my day job.
But when it's one of the most fulfilling things for me,
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and right now, I'm actually writing a book about me and my son's journey with autism.
People would expect, well, I don't know what they would expect,
but people are used to people doing these salacious tales,
but that's not what I wanted from my book.
This is about me and my son's journey.
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- Mm-hmm.
- And so many people have wanted me to talk about how he, you know,
went from being completely nonverbal to mouth-all-mighty tongue everlasting.
And, yes.
So, I've got my deal and I'm six, six, I would say, about six months from finishing,
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but I'm super excited about it.
- Yes, I love that.
What is, what's a lesson that you didn't want to learn from your son,
but then you received an in thought about it and you said,
"Okay, you got a point there.
What was that?
What was that moment?"
- Ah.
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I thought of something else, but that's not what,
I don't know.
- Mm-hmm.
- I don't know.
I'm usually good at answering these questions, but I'm very,
I'm kind of a mama bear, so.
- Yes.
- So, uh...
- What's been the biggest lesson that you've learned on this journey with him about your son?
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- That I was meant to be his mother.
- Mm-hmm.
- Mm-hmm.
- When you first get the diagnosis, you're like,
"Why my child?
Why us?
Why him?
Why me?"
But you start to understand the love that these kids have, verbal or non-verbal.
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They're so incredibly special.
And I'm, I've learned that I have,
when it comes to my kids, you better not get in my way.
I have tenacity and I will advocate for my children
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and I will fight for my children.
So, that's one of the things that I've learned about myself is that,
once I get information, once I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I research like crazy,
and I accepted his diagnosis, but I didn't accept the label.
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- Mm-hmm.
I like that.
- Yes.
- And I believe that our story hopefully can help other people.
- Yes.
- Tisha, you know, with, you were talking about earlier, like, you know, actors could be a little crazy
or what have you, how, how have you navigated the business and all of the madness and still,
you know, stay true to yourself?
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- Mama!
- Come on now!
- That's crazy!
Both my parents kept me really, really grounded, like even growing up in the business,
I was still, you know, doing chores, I was still walking all the laundry to the laundry mat, you know,
for me and my brothers.
I was babysitting, I was still, I was still very, they kept me grounded, they kept me regular.
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So, I believe that it was half my mama and my daddy, and the other half, I would attribute
to Sheena Arnold because we grew up in this business together and we really had each other's backs.
And so, yeah, I would have to attribute it to those two factors.
- What's your biggest hope for people that want to get in this business?
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What is your biggest hope for them?
- Yeah, great question.
My biggest hope for people who want to get in this business is that they do it for the right reasons.
They do it to help other people.
They do it because they understand that what they do is a communication from God.
When you're given a gift, that is a communication from God.
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And I've seen so many people fall to the wayside because they did it for all the wrong reasons.
They did it to get back at people.
They did it for the money.
They did it for the fame, but control the power.
And you will always fall.
I've been in this business for 53 years.
- It's amazing.
(24:26):
- 53 years.
- Woo! And five decades.
I understand what a blessing it is to serve people for five decades.
I understand what a blessing it is to still be relevant.
I don't take it for granted.
I think for people who want to get into this business that they really study the craft of it all.
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Because that's really important.
That they still, and this was taught to me by my acting coach, you have to
get outside of yourself because it can be all-consuming.
And so it's really important to donate your time to charitable things for people.
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And that they stay grounded.
- Teach or share with me because one of your other iconic roles of course is J and a wife and kids.
Tell me a funny, I know this is a typical question, but you might have a different answer for me.
A funny moment from behind the scenes of my wife and kids.
(25:40):
- Oh, I can't even remember. There was so many.
Damon was such a brilliant, you're watching Damon work is sort of like watching a Dave
Shapel work. They are very similar. They're comedy and telegated super high.
So to watch them put together, to watch him, Damon put together jokes or a through line or
(26:10):
just, you know, the script itself. To watch him do that is it's like an amazing class
to be in. - Yes.
- He's such a smart producer, writer, comedian. And it would be impossible to not learn anything from him.
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- Yes. - It's amazing.
- And that's just such a phenomenal compliment. You know, just, you know, forget all the niceties that
I was just getting ready to express. You know, you're a, you know, being the artist that you are in the
appreciation that you have for other artists and being able to salute them. I just think that that's just
(26:55):
a phenomenal personality. - Thank you.
- As someone who has, you know, suffered some challenges, you know, in your life, what is your secret
to being resilient? - Oh gosh, my secret.
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I don't think it's a secret. I think it's mostly prayer, you know? - Use a child.
- Yeah, it's mostly prayer for me. And honoring the people who came before me, understanding
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that everybody has a journey. I don't know, just, there's a certain understanding.
And it's not really failing. It's falling upward, but... - I love that. - You know, it's, there's, there's,
nothing but no's, especially back in the day when we weren't as represented on television and film.
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And it was your pure talent that got you in the door, that got you the jobs. And you had to hear no
a lot. But I don't really hear no until like the third no. - Right, right, right. You're like, "Come again?"
- Yeah, like how I always look at it like, "Okay, what else can I do to change your mind? What else
(28:27):
what can I have come in again and done something different when I used to audition?" But, yeah,
just understanding that the nose is just another door that's opening in a different way.
And if it's not meant for you, then it's not meant for you. And you'll always see why it's not meant for you.
So, no, it's just another, yes, somewhere else. - I love that. What's some advice that you would give to
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women of color specifically about navigating this business?
Well, know you're a woman of color. First of all, like you got to, you got to, you got to, you got to,
just say that. - You got to understand that you will be reminded. The opportunities aren't as great.
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They're getting better because of people like Shonda Rhimes and, you know, all these amazing filmmakers.
We have more opportunities where behind the scenes more, I think that if you decide to be an actress,
be a multi-hyphenated actress. Like you also have to write. You also have to
(29:37):
produce. You also should direct. You should do everything you can.
Create your own, create your own stuff. Because nobody else will. So,
I didn't ask, learn how to do it great and be great.
(30:04):
Because you won't have the opportunities. So, make the opportunities.
So, Tisha, you know, whether you know this or not, I've crossed paths with you a few times.
And I have seen the joy that you get from dancing. You know, it's just, it's like a spiritual
experience for you. Where are you when you're a dancer, Tisha?
(30:28):
I mean, another world. Let me tell you something. We didn't have the money to go to dance classes.
And back when I was growing up, they only cost $5 and we didn't have that. We didn't have that.
And so, I had to fake it all this time. And I remember, I don't know if I've ever told this story.
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When I was about 15 years old, I had just acquired my first agent. Now, I've been working my whole
life. And I thought, whatever they send you out on, you have to go out on. You have to. You can't say no.
And how they found me in the first place, my agent found me in a little play on theater
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row on 42nd Street when 42nd Street was not disnified. It was when the, you know, the pimps in the
hookers was out, you know, walking the streets. It was not, it was more of a cedar place to be. And
they found me in this little, this little theater doing a musical. Now, I was singing and dancing in
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that. But I'm not a dancer. So they would, they started sending me out on all these dance auditions.
I'm talking, I'm talking ballet. I'm talking, oh my god. And it was, it was horrifying. And,
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and I went to this one audition and I completely bombed because they wanted me to do pirouettes. And,
and, and sashing across the floor. And, oh, God, it was, it was god awful. But I, um,
I wanted to calling them and crying on the phone on the payphone outside. I was like, I'm not a dancer.
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They were like, we've got your word, dancer. I'm not, dancer at all. I've been thinking of my
and so all this time, I've been literally faking it and how I do it, how I did it. Well,
whenever I have a dance audition, like if there was a musical and it called for it, there was nothing
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I could do about it. So I would ask my agent to find out when the earliest call was, if the earliest
call was 10 o'clock, and the latest call was six o'clock, I'd ask for the six o'clock and show up at 10 o'clock.
And I'd learn the dance all day long. Wow. That's dedication breaks. Not even water breaks. Yeah. And so,
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by the time six o'clock came, I could go into the room and I wouldn't look crazy. So that was the kind of,
you have to be committed. You have to think outside the box. You have to figure out, I mean, you asked
me earlier what would be some of the, you know, things I could drop. And, you know, that would be one
of a figure, figure it out. Yes. Tisha Campbell, tell us a little bit about where people can find
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tickets for your upcoming and happy early birthday, by the way. Thank you, my birthday. So I'm the 13th.
I'm excited. But I am going to be in Pasadena at the ice house on October 10th. And then I fly right
out in Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio on the 11th and 12th. So I'm hoping that everybody comes out. Get your tickets
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because it goes so fast. And I want to see everybody. It's just really great that I get to be intimate with
an audience and they get to know a different part of me. Yes. And where can everybody find you in
general on social media? Oh, my name. Now I've been trying to change my name on one of them on
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Instagram to take the Mary name off. But I guess I have too many followers. And so just look for my name
and you'll see I'm there. Yes. Tisha Campbell, let me tell you this has been so phenomenal. Thank you so,
so much for joining me on Black and Green Room. You're welcome. I've had a good time. This is a great
interview. Everyone, please follow me on FD at Keith L Underwood and you can also follow me on IG at
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Mr. Keith L Underwood until next time this has been Black in the Green Room.
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You are black in the green room with me,
your host Keith Underwood and this is your spot.
For real talk about entertainment with entertainers,
creatives and showbiz professionals.
Joining me in the room today
with iconic roles in House Party, Martin,
and my wife and kids,
this multi-talented actress and comedian
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known for her sharp wit and magnetic presence
will be bringing her stand-up show,
damn, Jaina, to the ice house in Pasadena on October 10th.
Welcome to the room, Tisha Campbell.
What's up, what's up?
Hey, what's happening?
What an intro, that's a nice intro.
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You know, I try to do a little something, so I see.
I see you with your research, I see you.
(laughing)
How you been?
I've been really, really joyful.
Nice, I love that.
Oh, that just sounds so full,
and it's not as so full when you said it.
Yeah.
Tisha, if you could step into the shoes
of any of your past characters for just one day,
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who would it be?
And what kind of a journey would you take them on?
Oh my God, that is the hardest question ever.
(laughing)
Okay, it's so funny because I don't normally watch
my work because growing up in the business,
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like you're only as good as your last jobs.
So soon as one's over, you're on to the next or what is next?
So there's plenty of things that I've never seen before,
but I guess,
ah, me, ah, ah, ah, my wife and kids.
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My wife and kids, okay.
Yeah, yeah, I think.
I think my wife and kids,
I learned a lot on that show and I learned,
I wasn't a mother when I first started,
and now, by the second season, I was a mom.
So I think, just that whole entire journey
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of becoming a mom and then realizing,
while one said that I was the mother
of a special needs child,
that whole journey was so,
when you first get the diagnosis,
my son is on the spectrum,
on ASD, autism spectrum disorder.
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And at first, it's one of the most devastating things
in the world, but God,
if I could just tell that mom back then
that everything is gonna be okay
and they choose you for a reason.
You know what I mean? I think that would be the journey
and that would be the talk that I would have with myself.
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Yeah, that's nice.
It's just so very profound.
And I think most people would have expected
like a party answer.
You know?
Oh, yeah, no, not for me.
Right, exactly.
We're doing, we're doing grown folks talk.
You've been in the game since childhood
and creating memorable moments in comedy, drama,
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and music, what's been the most defining moment
of your career so far?
Oh gosh, you can't even ask me that question.
That is, your questions are so profound,
but it's so hard because there's been many,
like there's been so many,
though I would say the first one was when I decided to
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be in show business in the first place,
and I'm sure people have heard me say this story before,
but I grew up in New York, New Jersey,
and probably, you know, it was, it was,
it was an underprivileged area.
We grew up really, really poor eating like mayonnaise sandwiches
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and government cheese sandwiches and,
and serve sandwiches.
And we didn't have much, but we had each other.
And I was very conscious as a child of how poor we really were,
especially when the lights were off, or, you know,
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we were hiding the toaster from the welfare man,
or my father from the welfare man,
'cause you couldn't have a husband if you were on welfare.
Well.
And I remember at about five years old,
I started singing when I was three.
My, both my parents were singers.
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And about five years old, we didn't have a color television
that worked.
We had a big color television and the 13 inch screen,
black and white that actually worked
that sat on top of the color television.
- Right.
- And I heard about a contest,
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and I wanted to enter it because the second prize
was a color television.
- Wow.
- And I wanted to win it for my family,
'cause we didn't have one that worked.
So I begged my mom to enter me in the contest.
They did, her and my dad,
I was one of two child groups in the entire contest.
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And I wound up not winning the car.
I'm sorry, not winning the television, I won a car.
I won the first prize.
Which of course, I'm five and I'm pissed.
- And we're out of your mind.
- So I dropped the keys,
plus my brother was eating my Cheetos.
I went to go kill him.
- And when they grabbed me and pulled me back,
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I saw my mother crying and my dad jumping up and down.
I was like, oh yeah, we don't have a car either.
And so that was the defining moment in my life
when I knew that I could help people.
I could help my family out of their circumstances.
And I guess that carried its way throughout,
the theme of my life,
because I felt like what I can offer is some kind of
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help service support.
I can make people cry, I can make people laugh,
I can make people think I could change mindsets maybe.
I just felt like I could help in some way.
And instead of looking at this business
for the trying to get money or trying to get fame,
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I was doing it to help other people.
Like I could acquire money and that money would go to servitude.
- Right.
- And I think, and I always talk about how there's a difference
between being an artist and a celebrity.
An artist understands that they are here to serve other people.
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And a celebrity believes that they're here to be served.
And so I took that theme and I applied that to my entire life
and to my entire career in this industry.
- Yes.
- That's why I probably didn't get caught up in a whole box.
(laughing)
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- You said I am a service, I ain't trying to get a new phone with you.
- Let me do my job, okay?
And that's the other thing, it's just a job.
Like I always tell my kids, my kids don't know any different.
It's just a job to them.
You know, you have great questions.
- Thank you, I appreciate that.
You know, I knew I was meeting with you today,
so I said I gotta be on my game.
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- Okay.
(laughing)
- Thank you.
- So T-Shop, you know, being predominantly known as an actress
and then transitioning into comedy and stand up comedy.
What was that journey like for you
and what were your anticipations from the audience
and then how did they receive you?
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- That's another great question.
Man, let me tell you something.
This is a genre of this industry
that I've always wanted to try.
Now, back, I'm gonna take you back to like the early, early 90s.
This is even before I got my, I'm sorry, Martin Show.
So this is before '92.
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So around '89, '90, I was mostly known for doing musical theater
and dramas.
Now, if you needed a girl to cry on the spot,
that was your girl.
And when I started auditioning for comedy,
I couldn't get arrested.
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I didn't understand it.
I didn't know how to support my other character
of the other people in the scenes.
And at the time, they were giving all these comedians,
these stand up comedians deals.
So I knew in order for me to be, you know,
a girlfriend or a wife or something,
I had to understand what comedy was
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and I started auditioning, even though I didn't get it,
I was auditioning.
And this one casting director said to me,
"Tisha, you need sitcom classes."
And I was like, "Oh, okay.
"Okay, where do I get those?"
And she was like, "There aren't any."
And I was like, "Oh, God."
(laughing)
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So I knew I had to figure it out quickly.
And so I started sitting and like,
just going to all the comedy venues, comedy store,
comedy act theater, the improv,
like I would just sit in the back with the comedians
to try to figure out what the heck is comedy.
And I noticed that the people who went up
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were the one who were really successful
in getting the deals were the ones who were telling their truths.
They were telling the truth.
And I was like, "Oh, there's a thin line between the two
"because in any other venue, in any other place,
"if they were just telling the story,
"it might be a sad story."
So I knew there was a thin line between comedy and drama.
And I knew that at this point, once I figured it out,
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I could waltz with these comedians
and enhance what they already have.
The other part of it though was sitting back
in the back with the comedians back then,
they were kind of brutal to one another.
Like when one would make that walk up to the stage,
the other comedians would talk badly about them.
And you know that was happening
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as you were going up on the stage.
And I was like, "Ugh, there's no camaraderie."
Oh God, I don't think I can handle this kind of, you know,
I didn't think that I could handle it.
And so for years, I'd been avoiding it,
but comedian friends of mine would always go,
you should try it, you're funny, you have a lot of stories
to tell, you should do it.
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And I was like, "No, no, no, no, no,
"you're not gonna get me out there,
"that would be crazy, right, Bob?"
So this year, at the beginning of this year,
it was a mistake.
D-nice was doing a residency
at the Kennedy Center in Washington, DC, 4,000 people, right?
And so he had a three night stay there,
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and it was comedy the first night.
It was club quarantine the second night
and then club quarantine, gospel, the third night.
So since I was coming to support him anyway,
his people reached out to me and was like,
"Hey, D lost his, his host, do you mind bringing people up?"
And I saw the line up, it was Gina Yashire,
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it was Chris Spencer, it was Sherry Shepherd,
it was Michael Checkney, it was all these big names.
And I was like, "Yeah, I can bring them up, no,
"I can't do this."
She was like, "Yeah, do 15 minutes before."
And I was like, "Huh?"
(laughing)
"What?"
She was like, "It's fine, Chris Spencer, I hope you."
I was like, "Chris, thank God, help me,
"you got ADD, right?"
"Hey, my name is Chris."
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(laughing)
I called Chris and Chris is like,
"I just tell a story," right?
And I was like, "I know he wasn't gonna help me,
"right so I knew."
'Cause me and Chris and Toshina, we were all friends
and we took writing classes together
and they had no attention to Spain, what's the effort?
(laughing)
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You said none at all.
No, none at all.
So, what line up happened is,
I knew I could get him to be still and give me some pointers.
He gave me pointers, I went out there
and I did a whole 15 minutes,
which is unheard of with a first-time comedian.
You might have a good five minute, right?
But I just told stories and I was myself
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and by the time I got off the stage,
Chris was getting calls about me going on the road.
He was getting calls, he had already made a call
to a stand-up agent,
who just, since people out,
I had an agent by the time I left the Kennedy Center.
And that's how it kind of started.
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And so, and I made a commitment to myself
during COVID isolation, which was,
I'm gonna do everything that I've ever wanted to do
in my life.
I'm gonna try it, at least once.
And so that's what happened.
You had a year of yes, right?
I had the year of the yes,
and that was the year of the yes for me.
That's absolutely amazing.
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So, how is this transition into comedy now?
How can we expect to see that manifest
in your upcoming show?
- Well, it's interesting because eventually
I would love to do a one-woman show
with all of the material that I'm putting together,
which incorporates music too,
but right now I'm just trying to master this.
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- Mm-hmm.
And now my agent who was brilliant enough to put
God rest his soul, David Arnold,
and Kim Whitley together,
she's now put me and Finesse Mitchell together.
And we're a great team.
We enhance one another.
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He really helps me, and I help him in other ways too.
So, we, and we've worked together before.
We worked on this Fox show together
where he played my husband.
So, we know each other very well,
and it's just been working out really, really, really well,
and it's been so fun to take this journey
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and talk about all the stuff about myself.
People get to really know me,
'cause most of the time they know caricatures of me,
not who I am as a person.
So, this has been such an amazing journey
of discovery and almost like therapy.
- Yeah, you know, I hear a lot of comics say that
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that being on stage and doing stand-up is therapeutic.
Why is that?
What is it about doing stand-up that makes it therapeutic?
- Man, I don't know.
It's when you're telling your truth,
and when you're really going in,
and, you know, 'cause it's not always beautiful up there,
like there are moments where you will bomb,
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but this, weird, it's weird.
It's like you have an appreciation for when you bomb too.
- Mm-hmm.
- You know, but that's life.
You know what I mean?
There's ups and downs, and you just,
you don't know what you're gonna get from any audience,
but what's been really great is the support that I've gotten.
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I thought it would be like it was in the '90s,
where everybody was really kind of a little bit
more cutthroat.
- Yes.
- But, man, from everybody, from,
from Dionne to Kim Whitley, Sherry, Gina, Yashire,
Tone Rock, all of these comedians have been so incredibly,
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oh, Damon Williams, all of them,
they've been so supportive of Marshall Warfield,
they just keep, they're like, Tisha, you can do it.
They push in me, and, you know, I wanted them to know
that I was taking it seriously, and that it means,
it does mean the world to me, and I respect their crap,
because it's something that I was afraid to do my whole life.
- Yes.
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Do you wanna see your comedy, like you were mentioning earlier,
that you said, hey, all the folks that are getting their own shows
or comedians, so are you hoping that your standup
and your routine will transition into maybe a television project
or a film that's kind of maybe centric
or centered around your life?
- It's funny, I don't look at it that way,
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whatever this journey takes me, I'm with it.
I'm here for it, so if it does, it does,
if it doesn't, I get to share with people.
I get to share my life with people,
and I think that's what touches me more so than anything.
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- Yeah, I love that, you're an empath.
So, I don't like that a lot.
So, I would have to say, Gina in Martin,
is probably one of your most iconic roles
and you had a great time playing the character.
What was the best part about playing Gina?
- Gina Arnold.
- And how did you keep her authentic
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and the audience loving her so much?
- No, to Gina Arnold was the best thing about the Martin show.
Like, we've all known each other from Tommy Carl,
Carl, me and Tashina grew up in this business together.
So, we've all known each other since we were 11 and 12 years old.
But Tashina was my best friend.
And to be able to take a journey with your bestie
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and have a good time and just laugh all the way through
every single moment, it was the best part of the Martin show
was Tashina Arnold.
- Yes.
And how do you think that relationship translated to the audience?
- I'm sure they could see it.
It was obvious, even if they didn't know that we've known each other
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since we were preteens, I'm sure a transfer to the audience
and they could see that.
They could see the genuine girl friend, bestie, energy.
- Yeah, you seem very strategic with your career.
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And I know that a lot of it is just kind of living in the moment,
but you seem very strategic in your career.
What do you want to do next?
I mean, you've been a singer, you've done theater,
you've done television, you've done film.
What do you want to do next?
- All my life, I've wanted to be a writer.
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Now, if you remember what I said earlier,
most of my career choices were based on helping other people.
Now that I'm in this new space, I'm kind of free to explore what Tisha wants to do.
And I've always wanted to be a writer and a producer.
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I never wanted to be a director because just would drive me crazy.
I don't really like actors that much like that.
- I was a publisher.
- I was a publisher for years, I get you.
- Ma'am. - Yes.
- I would run into that one actor who's neurotic and not nice,
and then I'll be a jail.
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So, directing is not for me, but writing is.
And I've always wanted to be a writer.
I was told that I couldn't, I was told that I shouldn't,
that I should just concentrate on my day job.
But when it's one of the most fulfilling things for me,
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and right now, I'm actually writing a book about me and my son's journey with autism.
People would expect, well, I don't know what they would expect,
but people are used to people doing these salacious tales,
but that's not what I wanted from my book.
This is about me and my son's journey.
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- Mm-hmm.
- And so many people have wanted me to talk about how he, you know,
went from being completely nonverbal to mouth-all-mighty tongue everlasting.
And, yes.
So, I've got my deal and I'm six, six, I would say, about six months from finishing,
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but I'm super excited about it.
- Yes, I love that.
What is, what's a lesson that you didn't want to learn from your son,
but then you received an in thought about it and you said,
"Okay, you got a point there.
What was that?
What was that moment?"
- Ah.
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I thought of something else, but that's not what,
I don't know.
- Mm-hmm.
- I don't know.
I'm usually good at answering these questions, but I'm very,
I'm kind of a mama bear, so.
- Yes.
- So, uh...
- What's been the biggest lesson that you've learned on this journey with him about your son?
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- That I was meant to be his mother.
- Mm-hmm.
- Mm-hmm.
- When you first get the diagnosis, you're like,
"Why my child?
Why us?
Why him?
Why me?"
But you start to understand the love that these kids have, verbal or non-verbal.
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They're so incredibly special.
And I'm, I've learned that I have,
when it comes to my kids, you better not get in my way.
I have tenacity and I will advocate for my children
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and I will fight for my children.
So, that's one of the things that I've learned about myself is that,
once I get information, once I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I research like crazy,
and I accepted his diagnosis, but I didn't accept the label.
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- Mm-hmm.
I like that.
- Yes.
- And I believe that our story hopefully can help other people.
- Yes.
- Tisha, you know, with, you were talking about earlier, like, you know, actors could be a little crazy
or what have you, how, how have you navigated the business and all of the madness and still,
you know, stay true to yourself?
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- Mama!
- Come on now!
- That's crazy!
Both my parents kept me really, really grounded, like even growing up in the business,
I was still, you know, doing chores, I was still walking all the laundry to the laundry mat, you know,
for me and my brothers.
I was babysitting, I was still, I was still very, they kept me grounded, they kept me regular.
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So, I believe that it was half my mama and my daddy, and the other half, I would attribute
to Sheena Arnold because we grew up in this business together and we really had each other's backs.
And so, yeah, I would have to attribute it to those two factors.
- What's your biggest hope for people that want to get in this business?
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What is your biggest hope for them?
- Yeah, great question.
My biggest hope for people who want to get in this business is that they do it for the right reasons.
They do it to help other people.
They do it because they understand that what they do is a communication from God.
When you're given a gift, that is a communication from God.
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And I've seen so many people fall to the wayside because they did it for all the wrong reasons.
They did it to get back at people.
They did it for the money.
They did it for the fame, but control the power.
And you will always fall.
I've been in this business for 53 years.
- It's amazing.
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- 53 years.
- Woo! And five decades.
I understand what a blessing it is to serve people for five decades.
I understand what a blessing it is to still be relevant.
I don't take it for granted.
I think for people who want to get into this business that they really study the craft of it all.
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Because that's really important.
That they still, and this was taught to me by my acting coach, you have to
get outside of yourself because it can be all-consuming.
And so it's really important to donate your time to charitable things for people.
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And that they stay grounded.
- Teach or share with me because one of your other iconic roles of course is J and a wife and kids.
Tell me a funny, I know this is a typical question, but you might have a different answer for me.
A funny moment from behind the scenes of my wife and kids.
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- Oh, I can't even remember. There was so many.
Damon was such a brilliant, you're watching Damon work is sort of like watching a Dave
Shapel work. They are very similar. They're comedy and telegated super high.
So to watch them put together, to watch him, Damon put together jokes or a through line or
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just, you know, the script itself. To watch him do that is it's like an amazing class
to be in. - Yes.
- He's such a smart producer, writer, comedian. And it would be impossible to not learn anything from him.
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- Yes. - It's amazing.
- And that's just such a phenomenal compliment. You know, just, you know, forget all the niceties that
I was just getting ready to express. You know, you're a, you know, being the artist that you are in the
appreciation that you have for other artists and being able to salute them. I just think that that's just
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a phenomenal personality. - Thank you.
- As someone who has, you know, suffered some challenges, you know, in your life, what is your secret
to being resilient? - Oh gosh, my secret.
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I don't think it's a secret. I think it's mostly prayer, you know? - Use a child.
- Yeah, it's mostly prayer for me. And honoring the people who came before me, understanding
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that everybody has a journey. I don't know, just, there's a certain understanding.
And it's not really failing. It's falling upward, but... - I love that. - You know, it's, there's, there's,
nothing but no's, especially back in the day when we weren't as represented on television and film.
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And it was your pure talent that got you in the door, that got you the jobs. And you had to hear no
a lot. But I don't really hear no until like the third no. - Right, right, right. You're like, "Come again?"
- Yeah, like how I always look at it like, "Okay, what else can I do to change your mind? What else
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what can I have come in again and done something different when I used to audition?" But, yeah,
just understanding that the nose is just another door that's opening in a different way.
And if it's not meant for you, then it's not meant for you. And you'll always see why it's not meant for you.
So, no, it's just another, yes, somewhere else. - I love that. What's some advice that you would give to
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women of color specifically about navigating this business?
Well, know you're a woman of color. First of all, like you got to, you got to, you got to, you got to,
just say that. - You got to understand that you will be reminded. The opportunities aren't as great.
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They're getting better because of people like Shonda Rhimes and, you know, all these amazing filmmakers.
We have more opportunities where behind the scenes more, I think that if you decide to be an actress,
be a multi-hyphenated actress. Like you also have to write. You also have to
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produce. You also should direct. You should do everything you can.
Create your own, create your own stuff. Because nobody else will. So,
I didn't ask, learn how to do it great and be great.
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Because you won't have the opportunities. So, make the opportunities.
So, Tisha, you know, whether you know this or not, I've crossed paths with you a few times.
And I have seen the joy that you get from dancing. You know, it's just, it's like a spiritual
experience for you. Where are you when you're a dancer, Tisha?
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I mean, another world. Let me tell you something. We didn't have the money to go to dance classes.
And back when I was growing up, they only cost $5 and we didn't have that. We didn't have that.
And so, I had to fake it all this time. And I remember, I don't know if I've ever told this story.
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When I was about 15 years old, I had just acquired my first agent. Now, I've been working my whole
life. And I thought, whatever they send you out on, you have to go out on. You have to. You can't say no.
And how they found me in the first place, my agent found me in a little play on theater
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row on 42nd Street when 42nd Street was not disnified. It was when the, you know, the pimps in the
hookers was out, you know, walking the streets. It was not, it was more of a cedar place to be. And
they found me in this little, this little theater doing a musical. Now, I was singing and dancing in
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that. But I'm not a dancer. So they would, they started sending me out on all these dance auditions.
I'm talking, I'm talking ballet. I'm talking, oh my god. And it was, it was horrifying. And,
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and I went to this one audition and I completely bombed because they wanted me to do pirouettes. And,
and, and sashing across the floor. And, oh, God, it was, it was god awful. But I, um,
I wanted to calling them and crying on the phone on the payphone outside. I was like, I'm not a dancer.
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They were like, we've got your word, dancer. I'm not, dancer at all. I've been thinking of my
and so all this time, I've been literally faking it and how I do it, how I did it. Well,
whenever I have a dance audition, like if there was a musical and it called for it, there was nothing
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I could do about it. So I would ask my agent to find out when the earliest call was, if the earliest
call was 10 o'clock, and the latest call was six o'clock, I'd ask for the six o'clock and show up at 10 o'clock.
And I'd learn the dance all day long. Wow. That's dedication breaks. Not even water breaks. Yeah. And so,
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by the time six o'clock came, I could go into the room and I wouldn't look crazy. So that was the kind of,
you have to be committed. You have to think outside the box. You have to figure out, I mean, you asked
me earlier what would be some of the, you know, things I could drop. And, you know, that would be one
of a figure, figure it out. Yes. Tisha Campbell, tell us a little bit about where people can find
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tickets for your upcoming and happy early birthday, by the way. Thank you, my birthday. So I'm the 13th.
I'm excited. But I am going to be in Pasadena at the ice house on October 10th. And then I fly right
out in Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio on the 11th and 12th. So I'm hoping that everybody comes out. Get your tickets
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because it goes so fast. And I want to see everybody. It's just really great that I get to be intimate with
an audience and they get to know a different part of me. Yes. And where can everybody find you in
general on social media? Oh, my name. Now I've been trying to change my name on one of them on
(34:16):
Instagram to take the Mary name off. But I guess I have too many followers. And so just look for my name
and you'll see I'm there. Yes. Tisha Campbell, let me tell you this has been so phenomenal. Thank you so,
so much for joining me on Black and Green Room. You're welcome. I've had a good time. This is a great
interview. Everyone, please follow me on FD at Keith L Underwood and you can also follow me on IG at
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Mr. Keith L Underwood until next time this has been Black in the Green Room.
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