May 14, 2025 • 32 mins
In this gripping episode of Black Man Spy, Malcolm Nance broadcasts from Greenland, where he embarks on a critical assessment of the current political crisis in the United States. Joined by progressive podcaster and YouTuber Brian Tyler Cohen, they engage in a fiery discussion about the alarming erosion of democracy and the alarming implications of Donald Trump's actions. They dissect the troubling dynamics at play within Congress, exploring how allegiance to power has overshadowed the constitutional duty to uphold the law.
Malcolm and Brian delve into the stark reality of the political landscape, examining the concept of presidential immunity and the troubling acceptance of corruption. They challenge the Democratic leadership's approach to opposition and call for a more aggressive, imaginative response to the threats facing American democracy. With a focus on the necessity of grassroots mobilization, they emphasize that true change comes from the people rising up to demand accountability and integrity from their elected officials.
Don't miss Malcolm's impassioned plea for action and his vision for a united front against tyranny. This episode is a clarion call for all Americans to engage in the fight for democracy and to hold their leaders accountable. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that underscores the urgency of the moment and the need for collective action to protect the values enshrined in the Constitution.
Follow Malcolm Nance on Substack for more insights: https://malcolmnance.substack.com/ and be sure to subscribe to the channel for future updates!
Malcolm and Brian delve into the stark reality of the political landscape, examining the concept of presidential immunity and the troubling acceptance of corruption. They challenge the Democratic leadership's approach to opposition and call for a more aggressive, imaginative response to the threats facing American democracy. With a focus on the necessity of grassroots mobilization, they emphasize that true change comes from the people rising up to demand accountability and integrity from their elected officials.
Don't miss Malcolm's impassioned plea for action and his vision for a united front against tyranny. This episode is a clarion call for all Americans to engage in the fight for democracy and to hold their leaders accountable. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that underscores the urgency of the moment and the need for collective action to protect the values enshrined in the Constitution.
Follow Malcolm Nance on Substack for more insights: https://malcolmnance.substack.com/ and be sure to subscribe to the channel for future updates!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Constitution is only as enforceable as everybody in Congress's
willingness to actually uphold it. If we lose buy in
from a whole half of the government because they've decided
that their allegiance to the God King is more important
than what the Constitution says itself, then we're in a
position where our system of government is going to break down.
But again, that's up to these Republicans, in large part
(00:21):
because they have the majority. And so I would love
to be able to sit here and say, you know,
we'll be able to just swoop in and stop them,
But we don't have the majority in the House. We
don't have the majority in the Senate, we don't have
the majority in the White House. We don't have the
majority on the Supreme Court. And so our hope of
our constitution, of our system of government, of our democracy
itself being able to survive is going to depend on
(00:42):
the willingness by these Republicans who are elected officials to
actually want to uphold those things, to actually want to
protect those things.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This is black Man's Spy. Welcome to this week's edition
of black Man's Spy Mission Greenland. I am in Greenland because,
as you know, as an intelligence practitioner, I do not
take anyone's word for crisis situations. I have to go
there on the ground and do it myself. So I
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flew myself here to Greenland via Copenhagen, where I've been
for about a week, and I'll be here for another
five days that I will be flying back to Copenhagen
and interviewing some of the top information makers about the
crisis on Greenland. But that being black Man Spy, that's
not what we're really here about. We're really here about
(01:36):
the discussion from an intelligence community's perspective on the crisis
the United States is going through. I am doing an
assessment of just how absolutely hard it would be for
Donald Trump to realize his vision of annexation of Greenland.
Don't believe that word. The only way he can annex
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Greenland is to invade it. And I'm going to be
doing a special summary on Substack and another edition of
black Man's Spy where I go over what must be
in place to do it. I've now been in every
part of Greenland in the twice, three times in the
Arctic Circle, three different cities. They're not cities, by the way,
(02:20):
these are villages, about the size of the mini mall
that has your Starbucks in it, and this place is amazing.
You should come here anyway. Spring is starting. It's great
in the summer it gets into the sixties. But more importantly,
I'm having a discussion with one of the great podcasters
in America, Brian Taylor Cohen, one of the few blue
(02:41):
dots in that field of red that is the social
media information space. Here's Brian Taylor Cohen. Okay, my guest
today is the famous Brian Taylor Cohen. How are you
even on black Man's Spy. This is just utterly amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
To be having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh, it's my pleasure. Really, it's my pleasure. I would
like to have been on your show. I'll have to
do something about that. But listen, let me introduce you
to the audience. He's a progressive YouTuber, podcaster, MSNBC contributor.
I used to be one of those. He has over
six million subscribers across all social media platforms, including YouTube
(03:22):
channel with two billion views and counting. His show No
Lie with Brian Taylor Cohen has become a destination for
top names and politics from AOC to Rachel Maddout to
President Biden. Yeah, I hate you. And he's the author
of the twenty twenty four book Shameless Republicans, Deliberate Dysfunction
and the Battle to Preserve Democracy. Brian Taylor Cohen, Welcome
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to black Man's Spy.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Now. Can I appreciate your having me?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, that is truly, truly my pleasure. You have me
in sort of a corner because you know, for for
a while there people said, you know, oh, are you
going to be podcasting from Greenland, which is where I'm at,
And I was like, yeah, why not. You know, I
just got off a ferry where I just did a
survey of the entire northern Greenland coast. It was fun,
(04:08):
and that brings me around to the crazy politics that
we have in the United States. If I could just
get a quick summary from you, since you're very, very
wired in, and my community is people who like spies,
and people who like black spies, and people who like
black people. So that's about forty two million people plus
(04:29):
you know my wife. So my question to you is, Brian,
from I look at things from an intelligence community perspective,
you look at it from political perspective, what the actual
hell is going on out there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, that's a loaded question. I The sad reality is
everything that's happening in our politics becomes is so unrecognizable
to where we were just a few I'm joking, but
like a few minutes before, and the Overton window shifts
so quickly in our politics that that everything that was
(05:06):
completely that would that would have been completely unacceptable, inconceivable yesterday,
suddenly feels you know, quaint right, and and so that's
why we're left in a situation where, you know, look,
we were all around when when just in the last administration,
when Republicans were falling over themselves about the prospect of
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somebody profiting off of the presidency, and they held hearings,
and now we have the President of the United States
accepting a four hundred million dollar jet from the Katari's
and so that's just, uh, you know, that's just the
the progression of our politics today.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Let's touch on that first, because I was going to
go with tariffs, but you know, that's uh, that's a
completely different balley way. But let's talk about this because
I really think as as a person was sworn an
oath to the Constitution in the United States, no less
than I think eight times in all of my reenlistments.
I'm a son of Philadelphia. That's one of my famous rants.
(06:05):
I take this Constitution very seriously, and what I'm seeing
here is an administration that doesn't a person who really
just does not care what we think. We had this.
I think it was a journalist opinion columnist that the
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New York Times who yesterday said, this isn't a bribe.
This doesn't meet the legal definition of a bribe because
the government of Katar is giving us an airplane and
we don't see a direct quid pro quote from airplanes
being handed to you that you can keep forever. Is
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four hundred million dollars, if I'm not mistaken the emollument's clause.
I was speaking to BBC this morning and the emolument's
clause says twenty dollars has to be declared, and we're
looking at things that are so unimaginably high. That was
(07:06):
this done? And it's a straight question. Was this done?
Because the Qataris understand that the higher the number it is,
the less likely that anything that's below this dollar figure
is going to get any scrutiny whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I just think that they recognize how Donald Trump operates.
There was reporting that came out today that Donald Trump
had struck some deal with the Kataris for his own
personal business. And so, so it doesn't you know, you
don't have to dig that that far beneath the surface.
Donald Trump is not some master tactician. He's actually pretty
hamhanded and clumsy about the deals that he engages in,
and so and the quid pro quoes that he engages in.
(07:45):
And so, look, he's gonna he's gonna enrich himself through
his personal businesses in Katar. Guitar hands from a four
hundred million dollar jet. And so that's how the world works.
As far as Donald Trump is concerned. He's the If
Qatar was willing to for him a billion dollars, Trump
would have taken it. It doesn't have anything to do
with the number. For him. He's not thinking, Okay, maybe
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if I if I go above or below this threshold,
it will it will give me better or worse optics.
He doesn't care. He doesn't care what the number is.
The corruption is not even on his radar. He will
just do whatever benefits him personally, financially or politically. End
of story.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Okay, that's mind boggling. We had when we were in
the intelligence community. We couldn't take a sandwich or a
pen from a contractor. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There's a famous story about about Abraham Lincoln coming in
front of Congress during the Civil War because he wanted
an elephant tusk. And I can't remember who who offered
him the elephant tusk, but he asked Congress if he
could have it. In Congress that you're doing a great
job in the Civil War. But no, you can't have
the elephant tusk because you know, we have an emolument's
clause in the Constitution that prohibits gifts from foreign foreign kings, princes,
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or or states, and so this would be a violation
of the emoluments clause, and so you can't have an
elephants tusk, which has you know, zero value behind it.
Now you have a guy, you know, a long way
from the Party of Lincoln. The irony being that these
folks love to beat their chests about the fact that
they are the Party of Lincoln. And yet look at
the difference. This guy wouldn't accept an elephant tusk, and
(09:20):
you've got Donald Trump taking in four hundred million dollar airplanes.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Is it basically. I mean, I speak with Michael Cohen
and Left Partners, two guys who have fifty combined years
of day to day experience with Donald Trump, and a
segment I call two felons and a spy. And these
guys say, at this point, he's completely out of control.
He knows he has absolute immunity from the Supreme Court
(09:47):
and there is no law that stands in his way.
Do you agree with that? Is there a way out
around that? I mean, you speak to some pretty high
level Democrats and I know AOC the other day was
making quite a fuss on her on her Twitter page
or or TikTok page. What you know, what do we do?
(10:07):
What the audience is begging to know that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's It's the right question. As far as Trump is concerned.
I think he views himself as completely above the law,
and the Supreme Court has has lent itself to that
idea because they've given they've created out of whole cloth
as provision that affords him presidential immunity for criminal acts
and of course for civil civil crimes. He can't or
uh uh, you know, civil violations. He can't be held
(10:30):
accountable for anything because the d O j OLC guidance
that prevents, you know, any indictment or any prosecution against
the sitting president. So as far as he's concerned, there
is nothing to prevent him, you know, from from doing
anything that he wants to do. He's not going to
be he's not going to face any civil penalties, he's
not going to face any any criminal, uh, you know, prosecutions,
(10:51):
and so what's to stop him. He has a pambondi
in the department ahead of the the Department of Justice.
This is somebody who herself accepted twenty five thousand dollars
while she was Florida's Attorney General at the same time
that she was deciding whether or not to pursue fraud
charges against Trump University. Surprise, surprise, she opted not to
pursue those charges.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
She was also on a one hundred and fifteen thousand
dollars a month payment from the governor of Kittark.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Wasn't she exactly? And so she was a registered lobbyist
for a guitar making one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars
a month. And so this is somebody who clearly has
a proclivity toward accepting money and not seeing it as
something that's going to violate any ethical standards or anything
like that, and a specific proclivity toward the very country
(11:38):
that gave Donald Trump this four hundred million dollars jet.
So if we think that Pam Bondi is going to
service some bulwark to his corruption, we got another thing coming.
In terms of your question here, it's the right question. Look,
I think that we saw today there was an announcement
from Chuck Schumer that the Senate was going to block
all of Donald Trump's nominees, I believe for their Partment
(12:00):
of Justice. As the results of this move, is that
gonna you know, is that is that going to be enough? No?
I mean, I mean really the said reality is that
I think where in a moment where whether or not
where a nation of laws, and whether or not we're
going to adhere to the Constitution is is is going
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to is going to be up to our collective are
like our collective both parties in Congress to decide whether
the Constitution is only is only as enforceable as everybody
in Congress's willingness to actually uphold it. And so if
we have if we lose buy in from a whole
half of the government because they've decided that their allegiance
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to the God King is more important than what the
Constitution says itself. Then we're in a position where where
all of our where our system of government, is going
to break down. But again that's that's up to to
these Republicans, in large part because they have the majority.
And so I would love to be able to sit
here and say, you know, we'll be able to just
swoop in and stop them, But we don't have the
majority in the House. We don't have the majority in
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the Senate, we don't have the majority in the White House,
we don't have the majority on the Supreme Court. And
so a lot of our a lot of our our
hope of our constitution, of our system of government, of
our democracy itself being able to survive, is going to
depend on the willingness by these Republicans who are elected
officials to actually want to uphold those things, to actually
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want to protect those things. You know, I don't I
don't know where we're going to be in in a
month from now, or two months from now, or six
months from now, when we have a Republican party that
is so that that shows nothing but slavish devotion to
one person and not the system of government that they
swore an oath to protect.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Okay, I can tell we're not going to be moving
on to any other subjects. This is way too important
to talk about. Listen. I spoke a couple of times
on some other podcasts where you know, it was meant
to Donald Trump by Vladimir Putin that the one thing
that he should really be looking out for, be careful about,
is a color revolution. And that's the kind that it
(14:08):
occurred in you know, k Gighistan, Georgia, Ukraine, now is
happening in Serbia, Hungary where the people are just rising
up in the hundreds of thousand millions and are just
deciding that they're just not going to have it. And
in those systems of government, they're parliamentary systems of government,
they can actually knock down a government. They can force
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an unpopular leader to leave. Our system doesn't support that.
But can we get to a point, can we get
to a number where you know, the Harvard study for example,
about civil disobedience and needed three point five percent of
the population to stand up, and that would is that number,
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which in the United States is twelve point five million
people would have to protest enough to get the attention
of the other night. You know, the other three hundred
and twenty five million people who are not doing anything.
We're just living their day to day lives. And I
know there have been some calls from you know, like
David Brooks and even surprisingly Eddie Goud you know from MSNBC.
(15:18):
You know, he's always a very moderate kind of guy
to say that it's time for civil action, it's time
for big protests. We've had five million people come out
on the April fifth protest, which is nice, that's appreciable.
It's far bigger than anything that happened during the Vietnam War, right,
and we should pay attention to that. But shouldn't The
number we really be shooting for is thirty five million,
(15:41):
which is half of the Kamala Harris voters. Where is
the leadership here? Where is it that we're going to
be able to defend democracy? I really think you can
push back on this administration to the point where we
don't have to go on a national strike. But if
you immobilize Washington, d C. With a million people during
a work week, or get it to where it is
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the only story in America the same way it is
in Belgrade, Serbia today, or in Romaine or Hungary in Budapest.
Why can we not do that to to in a
crusade to save the conversation. And by bringing those numbers in,
you get to tell the Walmart shopper America is under attack.
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This isn't normal, and it's way bigger than anything MAGA
could ever muster.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
What do you think, Well, I think I think, for
as as grim a picture as my previous answer painted,
I actually have a lot of hope in this respect,
and I do think that we can get to that number.
And I actually don't even think we need that number
to get the attention of not the White House, because
we're not worried about moving the White House. The White
House is not going to change their steeped in correction
and this is just that that is baked into the cake.
(16:49):
But really, what we will be able to do is
get the attention of the legislative branch of these Republicans
in Congress, the House, in the Senate, because when the
reason that so that they show so much, so much
devotion to Donald Trump and not their own constituents, not
the American peoples, because they view his attacks on them,
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the prospect of him fielding some type of primary opponent
to them from the right as an existential threat to
their power. But when they view their own constituents, their
own voters, as a bigger threat than the prospect of
Trump maybe fielding some primary opponent at some untold point
in the future, When they see their own voters immediately
(17:32):
as a bigger threat, then it doesn't matter what Trump says,
because they can lose their jobs at the hands of
their direct voters, and so like the prospect of them
may be losing their jobs at the hands of Donald
Trump if he is successful of fielding a primary opponent,
and you know, if that primary opponent is able to
beat them, that's a there are a lot of steps
that have to happen. But if you piss off the
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seven hundred thousand people, if you're a member of Congress,
or you know, the people of your state, if you're
a senator, enough that so suddenly they don't want you
to be in office anymore, that it doesn't matter what
Trump says, because those voters directly are going to be
responsible for your demise. And so we'll see what happens
with with you know, the fact that we are having
enough people start to stand up. I don't know that
(18:14):
we need twenty five million people industry of course, that
that would do it. You know, like, I don't think
you and I.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Vote get twenty five. I want thirty five. I want
fifty percent of the Harris voter, just fifty percent, one
out of two who voted for Kamala Harris. But it
brings this question, you know, to mind, you know, where
where is the effort? I understand, the Democratic Party is
the opposition. They are elected representatives and they must play
to their making. They must play within the rules. The
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rest of us are the resistance, right the people that
we're trying to turn out to show people power that
can push up from the bottom. Why are we so
nice in saying that, unlike in Europe where they can
demand the resignation of the leadership and threatened to shut
down a nation's economy, threatened to shut down, you know,
capital's work with strikes threatened. You know, I mean, we
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could bring a million people into Washington, DC and make
sure no Doge worker ever goes back to work. So
long as they can't get the metro, they can't get
into the building, they can't get to the you know,
top tout coffee for their morning coffee. I don't and
that doesn't require intimidation. Why is Hakim Jeffries not in
a full scale secret campaign to get five Republicans who
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voted it, who who won in Biden districts, to to
change to registered independent right, get great committee chairmanships and
caucus with the Democrats and flip the House, literally change
history with just five people. You have to Fitzpatricks, you
have the Bacons. Why is it? Why does everyone have
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to feel like they are at a genteel tea party
and they have to pour the cup right, and that
they have to make sure that you know there's a
saf we're in a suite and you know, a cake
at the bottom, instead of just going out and engineering
the overturn of the House, because those people would be heroes.
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Not just to the seventy six million, seventy six point
five million to vote for Harris, but you have the
other eighty million that didn't vote. They are going to
lose a lot if we don't stop this and feel
that the Trump administration is a machine that can never
be changed. Because at that point, if all of us
started calling for his resignation. Right, You could have a
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mindset though, as people are hurt individually through the machinations
and start seeing his crazy as a block as opposed
to you know, the fourth person on Meet the Press,
who will be a low level Democratic congressman who will
speak politely.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, I think I think, Look, you're you're spot on
in the sense, and I think I think the the
crux of this argument is that we need people who
are willing to a to fight and be to figure
out ways to fight that that aren't it, that that
aren't the usual course of business, right Like I feel
like so often Democrats are just Okay, well, this is
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how we've done it in the past, and so this
is how we're gonna do it now. And there's no
imagination to what we're doing. And really, at the end
of the day, to be perfectly honest, there's real there's
no real desire to get a lot of the things
done that we need to get done. Mitch McConnell. Look,
I I I think that I think that when when
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Mitch McConnell goes to the afterlife, he will be he
will he will spend all of all of eternity in
the depths of hell like that is that is like
my my, my actual thought because of the because of
what he has done, the damage he has wrought to
our democracy. But with that said, I don't think you'll
find a single Democrat who doesn't who won't acknowledge the effectiveness.
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And you know, during his time a Senate majority leader,
if he wants to do something, he gets it done,
and he doesn't let the rules or even the optics
of hypocrisy slow him down. If he wants to come
forward and say, we're not going to give Merrick Garland
a hearing because there are votes being cast at some
point this year, but we can give Amy Cony Barrett
a hearing even though there are votes being cast right now.
(22:21):
Doesn't skip a beat, and we just don't have that
same sense of fight. When Mitch McConnell wants to get
something done or says he wants to get something done,
he gets it done. Democrats will say that we want
to get something done, and then all of a sudden
we come across the smallest roadblock in the world, a
speed bump. Let's say, the parliamentarian says, oh, we couldn't
have this be a part of this Reconciliation Bill and
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we go up, well that's it. The parliamentarian says no,
and so what could we possibly do is we just
have to take our ball and go home. And that's
the asymmetry that we have between the two parties. When
Republicans want to do something, they figure out a way
to get it done. When Democrats want to do something,
they'll confront the smallest obstacle and say, well, that's it,
you know we could possibly do.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
They love to rule by committee. I think one of
the greatest it was supposed to be a parody. I
think it was on The Daily Show of Nancy Pelosi
and Chuck Schumer ordering lunch, and it turned out to
be a twelve page statement right where they were working
over the details of every word and they're like, oh,
that's really good. That's really good. Look, we are in
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a point in American history where and this is why
I'm bringing this up on my show because as a Philadelphian,
I'm deeply offended by what's going on here. Right. None
of this is constitutional. Yeah, and you know, people in
my city lost their lives, their houses. There's one member
who was a signer of the Declaration of the of Independence,
(23:47):
who lost all thirteen of his children. They were scattered
around and he was di destitute. And I once said
this at a speech for the Commonwealth Club, which is,
you know, as a nationwide broadcast speech, and I said,
I would be willing to surrender my life, my home,
my treasure, and my family. And then my wife sort
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of went and I was like, Okay, I'm ready to
surrender my my home and my treasure. But we have
to understand that this is a seminal moment in American
history and everyone needs to be shouting macshoutface the way
I'm shouting right now, because I am horribly offended. Last
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question though, and extends to this. I'm in Greenland because
I have a president that's threatening to invade this country
and there's only fifty seven thousand people here, and the
only way that Trump can annex this place is to
seize it by force and at nighttime special operations rate.
These people all have caribou hunting rifles and they're mad,
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but they're willing to speak out in a way that
our own party will. And if that's the case, American
democracy is doomed and we're all going to turn into
underground insurgents. I you know, I can't wait. I fear
my return through JFK because you know, they're pulling over podcasters, bloggers, whatever,
(25:17):
and they're asking about Trump. And I've written ten books,
five or four of them were New York Times bestsellers
about Trump in his relationship with Moscow. And so we
have agencies acting like the Gestapo. I'd hate to say it.
I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth.
But what I'd like to say is, let you have
the last word here is you know the people that
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you speak to other than the aocs and the Matchwell frosts,
these the average Democratic congressmen. Are they aware of how
dangerous the situation America is in? Or do they think
this is something that's political they can.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Finish the It's a great question, it's the right question.
And I know for my part, I look, I'm one
small voice in a sea of voices. But I think
we've all been.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Dude, you're one of the three blue dots that come
up on those bubbles of the information spheres. Well, yeah,
you're what You're a dot that's important?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, Well, you know, I think for I think we've
been beating we've all been beating the same drum in
the sense that what we are looking for is fighters,
and we have been all trying to convey this idea
that we are in a dire position right now. I
know that that really what I've decided to use my
platforms to do moving forward is to highlight those elected
officials who are willing to actually bring to show some
(26:38):
sense of fight and and whether it's you know, our
sitting congressman, sitting senators, or candidates for office, every single
interview with these people includes the question of whether or
not they are willing to actually meet this moment with
the urgency that deserves and to actually be a fighter,
because we have seen a lot of impotent, feckless democrats
(26:59):
come forward and think that they are in office to
protect the procedures of government, the processes of government, versus
to actually stand up for what that government is supposed
to represent. And they're not there to protect the filibuster.
They're there to protect the people and the rule of
law and democracy. And if you're not gonna do that,
then step aside and make room for somebody who will.
So look, I'll keep beating that drone, but that has
(27:19):
been my focus, and it will and it will remain
my focus as we, you know, go deeper and deeper
into this houscape that is the Truth administration.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I appreciate that. Let me tell you, my congressmen, we've
got a new Democratic Congress in my district to beat
it the Republican. But I don't hear much from him.
You're right, and if the first words out of his
mouth and every speech should be what the hell is
going on here? And you know everybody wants to be nice, right,
and I appreciate that you amplify those voices and that
(27:48):
you're giving cause. Please tell all the people you speak
to watch f and Hamilton if they don't know how
to behave all right and learn how to not throw
away their shot and to stand up and fight for
this kind at a time where we're all in peril.
And with that, thank you so much for coming on
the Black Man Spy Overseas edition. Yeah, that we have here,
(28:12):
and thanks again. I appreciate hearing from you, Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I appreciate it. I appreciate you having me on. Thanks
so much. And be careful out there, don't you know.
Don't let the don't let the Trump administer initation, get
away with what they're trying to do in Greenland.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Glad supposed to be here this week.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Oh god, man, just when you think you can't get worse.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh wait, wait for the TikTok in case I see him,
I was gonna says.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's never a good thing when you're in the same
country as Steve Bannon.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Thanks again, thanks for coming.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Thanks Malcolm.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Was that a discussion or what? Jeez? We were supposed
to talk about China Birthright Citizens show. But I think
the defense of American democracy is far, in a way,
the most important thing that we're talking about. And if
you're listening to black Man's spot, that means that you
believe in the same America that I believe in. One
(29:02):
that all of us, whether we are in the armed forces,
the intelligence community, a boy Scouts swore or girl Scouts
swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution of
the United States, and we are creeding into the lawlessness
of As we mentioned before on this podcast, a person
(29:24):
a prince who's every act defines a tyrant. And we
are now into the let me just take Bribe's phase
of this story. But it is more important that you
view yourself or at least commit to yourself to being
the fighter that Brian was saying that we're missing now.
(29:45):
If you're coming out to the protest, go to every
protest every weekend. I'm not interested in hitting twelve point
five million protesters to save American democracy. I'm interested in
thirty five million, seventy five million, seventy six point five
million of you voted against this tyrant wanna be dictator.
(30:08):
So where are you? How come you're not getting out
with your wife, your kids, your husband, your partner every
weekend and fighting to save American democracy. We are in
the greatest crisis since the secession in eighteen sixty and
only people power is going to save this country. I
firmly believe that in my art. You know, so you
(30:31):
need to commit yourself to being a fighter. I want
you to keep watching Black Man's Spy. Follow me on Substack,
follow me on Apple, Stitcher, YouTube. You can find this
podcast everywhere, and I want you to share it if
you've learned anything about the threat, not just the threat
to the great people of Greenland, but the threat to
(30:52):
the constitutional order of the United States. Please I beg
you deeply to share it. With your friends. You know,
not all of us are suited to stand up and
make our voices heard, but a lot of us are.
And we all have to be Hamilton or the Skylar
Sisters for Christ's six if you want another analogy, right,
(31:15):
you know, the revolution is happening in Manhattan, and you know,
the greatest city in the world. But it's not just Manhattan.
It's happening in every town, every village, every hamlet. I
live in a hamlet, and everybody's protesting. People are mad,
and they're mad because the America they love is being
re engineered by a bunch of tech bros and a
(31:38):
bunch of you know, yao kayata hillbillies who think that
they're going to destroy the constitutional order and that they
can steal and take anything they want. I will not
allow that as long as I will breath in my body.
And it will be very interesting in my next episode
to tell you how my customs grow. Was when I
(32:00):
returned to the United States from Copenhagen, because I'm finding
that people are being pulled over and interrogated about their
political beliefs. Look, I literally help run a school on interrogation.
So Thoice will be the least fruitful thing that they
ever have. But I hope I don't have a story
to tell you. I hope I just come back with
(32:21):
my bottle of French wine and walk through Nexus and
come and give you another great episode. So with that,
please devote yourself to being a son, a daughter, a
lover of the American Revolution and the Constitution of the
United States. And I want to see you next week
(32:42):
on the next episode of Black Man Spy.
The Constitution is only as enforceable as everybody in Congress's
willingness to actually uphold it. If we lose buy in
from a whole half of the government because they've decided
that their allegiance to the God King is more important
than what the Constitution says itself, then we're in a
position where our system of government is going to break down.
But again, that's up to these Republicans, in large part
(00:21):
because they have the majority. And so I would love
to be able to sit here and say, you know,
we'll be able to just swoop in and stop them,
But we don't have the majority in the House. We
don't have the majority in the Senate, we don't have
the majority in the White House. We don't have the
majority on the Supreme Court. And so our hope of
our constitution, of our system of government, of our democracy
itself being able to survive is going to depend on
(00:42):
the willingness by these Republicans who are elected officials to
actually want to uphold those things, to actually want to
protect those things.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This is black Man's Spy. Welcome to this week's edition
of black Man's Spy Mission Greenland. I am in Greenland because,
as you know, as an intelligence practitioner, I do not
take anyone's word for crisis situations. I have to go
there on the ground and do it myself. So I
(01:16):
flew myself here to Greenland via Copenhagen, where I've been
for about a week, and I'll be here for another
five days that I will be flying back to Copenhagen
and interviewing some of the top information makers about the
crisis on Greenland. But that being black Man Spy, that's
not what we're really here about. We're really here about
(01:36):
the discussion from an intelligence community's perspective on the crisis
the United States is going through. I am doing an
assessment of just how absolutely hard it would be for
Donald Trump to realize his vision of annexation of Greenland.
Don't believe that word. The only way he can annex
(01:59):
Greenland is to invade it. And I'm going to be
doing a special summary on Substack and another edition of
black Man's Spy where I go over what must be
in place to do it. I've now been in every
part of Greenland in the twice, three times in the
Arctic Circle, three different cities. They're not cities, by the way,
(02:20):
these are villages, about the size of the mini mall
that has your Starbucks in it, and this place is amazing.
You should come here anyway. Spring is starting. It's great
in the summer it gets into the sixties. But more importantly,
I'm having a discussion with one of the great podcasters
in America, Brian Taylor Cohen, one of the few blue
(02:41):
dots in that field of red that is the social
media information space. Here's Brian Taylor Cohen. Okay, my guest
today is the famous Brian Taylor Cohen. How are you
even on black Man's Spy. This is just utterly amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
To be having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh, it's my pleasure. Really, it's my pleasure. I would
like to have been on your show. I'll have to
do something about that. But listen, let me introduce you
to the audience. He's a progressive YouTuber, podcaster, MSNBC contributor.
I used to be one of those. He has over
six million subscribers across all social media platforms, including YouTube
(03:22):
channel with two billion views and counting. His show No
Lie with Brian Taylor Cohen has become a destination for
top names and politics from AOC to Rachel Maddout to
President Biden. Yeah, I hate you. And he's the author
of the twenty twenty four book Shameless Republicans, Deliberate Dysfunction
and the Battle to Preserve Democracy. Brian Taylor Cohen, Welcome
(03:44):
to black Man's Spy.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Now. Can I appreciate your having me?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, that is truly, truly my pleasure. You have me
in sort of a corner because you know, for for
a while there people said, you know, oh, are you
going to be podcasting from Greenland, which is where I'm at,
And I was like, yeah, why not. You know, I
just got off a ferry where I just did a
survey of the entire northern Greenland coast. It was fun,
(04:08):
and that brings me around to the crazy politics that
we have in the United States. If I could just
get a quick summary from you, since you're very, very
wired in, and my community is people who like spies,
and people who like black spies, and people who like
black people. So that's about forty two million people plus
(04:29):
you know my wife. So my question to you is, Brian,
from I look at things from an intelligence community perspective,
you look at it from political perspective, what the actual
hell is going on out there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, that's a loaded question. I The sad reality is
everything that's happening in our politics becomes is so unrecognizable
to where we were just a few I'm joking, but
like a few minutes before, and the Overton window shifts
so quickly in our politics that that everything that was
(05:06):
completely that would that would have been completely unacceptable, inconceivable yesterday,
suddenly feels you know, quaint right, and and so that's
why we're left in a situation where, you know, look,
we were all around when when just in the last administration,
when Republicans were falling over themselves about the prospect of
(05:29):
somebody profiting off of the presidency, and they held hearings,
and now we have the President of the United States
accepting a four hundred million dollar jet from the Katari's
and so that's just, uh, you know, that's just the
the progression of our politics today.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Let's touch on that first, because I was going to
go with tariffs, but you know, that's uh, that's a
completely different balley way. But let's talk about this because
I really think as as a person was sworn an
oath to the Constitution in the United States, no less
than I think eight times in all of my reenlistments.
I'm a son of Philadelphia. That's one of my famous rants.
(06:05):
I take this Constitution very seriously, and what I'm seeing
here is an administration that doesn't a person who really
just does not care what we think. We had this.
I think it was a journalist opinion columnist that the
(06:25):
New York Times who yesterday said, this isn't a bribe.
This doesn't meet the legal definition of a bribe because
the government of Katar is giving us an airplane and
we don't see a direct quid pro quote from airplanes
being handed to you that you can keep forever. Is
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four hundred million dollars, if I'm not mistaken the emollument's clause.
I was speaking to BBC this morning and the emolument's
clause says twenty dollars has to be declared, and we're
looking at things that are so unimaginably high. That was
(07:06):
this done? And it's a straight question. Was this done?
Because the Qataris understand that the higher the number it is,
the less likely that anything that's below this dollar figure
is going to get any scrutiny whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I just think that they recognize how Donald Trump operates.
There was reporting that came out today that Donald Trump
had struck some deal with the Kataris for his own
personal business. And so, so it doesn't you know, you
don't have to dig that that far beneath the surface.
Donald Trump is not some master tactician. He's actually pretty
hamhanded and clumsy about the deals that he engages in,
and so and the quid pro quoes that he engages in.
(07:45):
And so, look, he's gonna he's gonna enrich himself through
his personal businesses in Katar. Guitar hands from a four
hundred million dollar jet. And so that's how the world works.
As far as Donald Trump is concerned. He's the If
Qatar was willing to for him a billion dollars, Trump
would have taken it. It doesn't have anything to do
with the number. For him. He's not thinking, Okay, maybe
(08:05):
if I if I go above or below this threshold,
it will it will give me better or worse optics.
He doesn't care. He doesn't care what the number is.
The corruption is not even on his radar. He will
just do whatever benefits him personally, financially or politically. End
of story.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Okay, that's mind boggling. We had when we were in
the intelligence community. We couldn't take a sandwich or a
pen from a contractor. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There's a famous story about about Abraham Lincoln coming in
front of Congress during the Civil War because he wanted
an elephant tusk. And I can't remember who who offered
him the elephant tusk, but he asked Congress if he
could have it. In Congress that you're doing a great
job in the Civil War. But no, you can't have
the elephant tusk because you know, we have an emolument's
clause in the Constitution that prohibits gifts from foreign foreign kings, princes,
(08:59):
or or states, and so this would be a violation
of the emoluments clause, and so you can't have an
elephants tusk, which has you know, zero value behind it.
Now you have a guy, you know, a long way
from the Party of Lincoln. The irony being that these
folks love to beat their chests about the fact that
they are the Party of Lincoln. And yet look at
the difference. This guy wouldn't accept an elephant tusk, and
(09:20):
you've got Donald Trump taking in four hundred million dollar airplanes.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Is it basically. I mean, I speak with Michael Cohen
and Left Partners, two guys who have fifty combined years
of day to day experience with Donald Trump, and a
segment I call two felons and a spy. And these
guys say, at this point, he's completely out of control.
He knows he has absolute immunity from the Supreme Court
(09:47):
and there is no law that stands in his way.
Do you agree with that? Is there a way out
around that? I mean, you speak to some pretty high
level Democrats and I know AOC the other day was
making quite a fuss on her on her Twitter page
or or TikTok page. What you know, what do we do?
(10:07):
What the audience is begging to know that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's It's the right question. As far as Trump is concerned.
I think he views himself as completely above the law,
and the Supreme Court has has lent itself to that
idea because they've given they've created out of whole cloth
as provision that affords him presidential immunity for criminal acts
and of course for civil civil crimes. He can't or
uh uh, you know, civil violations. He can't be held
(10:30):
accountable for anything because the d O j OLC guidance
that prevents, you know, any indictment or any prosecution against
the sitting president. So as far as he's concerned, there
is nothing to prevent him, you know, from from doing
anything that he wants to do. He's not going to
be he's not going to face any civil penalties, he's
not going to face any any criminal, uh, you know, prosecutions,
(10:51):
and so what's to stop him. He has a pambondi
in the department ahead of the the Department of Justice.
This is somebody who herself accepted twenty five thousand dollars
while she was Florida's Attorney General at the same time
that she was deciding whether or not to pursue fraud
charges against Trump University. Surprise, surprise, she opted not to
pursue those charges.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
She was also on a one hundred and fifteen thousand
dollars a month payment from the governor of Kittark.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Wasn't she exactly? And so she was a registered lobbyist
for a guitar making one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars
a month. And so this is somebody who clearly has
a proclivity toward accepting money and not seeing it as
something that's going to violate any ethical standards or anything
like that, and a specific proclivity toward the very country
(11:38):
that gave Donald Trump this four hundred million dollars jet.
So if we think that Pam Bondi is going to
service some bulwark to his corruption, we got another thing coming.
In terms of your question here, it's the right question. Look,
I think that we saw today there was an announcement
from Chuck Schumer that the Senate was going to block
all of Donald Trump's nominees, I believe for their Partment
(12:00):
of Justice. As the results of this move, is that
gonna you know, is that is that going to be enough? No?
I mean, I mean really the said reality is that
I think where in a moment where whether or not
where a nation of laws, and whether or not we're
going to adhere to the Constitution is is is going
(12:22):
to is going to be up to our collective are
like our collective both parties in Congress to decide whether
the Constitution is only is only as enforceable as everybody
in Congress's willingness to actually uphold it. And so if
we have if we lose buy in from a whole
half of the government because they've decided that their allegiance
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to the God King is more important than what the
Constitution says itself. Then we're in a position where where
all of our where our system of government, is going
to break down. But again that's that's up to to
these Republicans, in large part because they have the majority.
And so I would love to be able to sit
here and say, you know, we'll be able to just
swoop in and stop them, But we don't have the
majority in the House. We don't have the majority in
(13:05):
the Senate, we don't have the majority in the White House,
we don't have the majority on the Supreme Court. And
so a lot of our a lot of our our
hope of our constitution, of our system of government, of
our democracy itself being able to survive, is going to
depend on the willingness by these Republicans who are elected
officials to actually want to uphold those things, to actually
(13:27):
want to protect those things. You know, I don't I
don't know where we're going to be in in a
month from now, or two months from now, or six
months from now, when we have a Republican party that
is so that that shows nothing but slavish devotion to
one person and not the system of government that they
swore an oath to protect.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Okay, I can tell we're not going to be moving
on to any other subjects. This is way too important
to talk about. Listen. I spoke a couple of times
on some other podcasts where you know, it was meant
to Donald Trump by Vladimir Putin that the one thing
that he should really be looking out for, be careful about,
is a color revolution. And that's the kind that it
(14:08):
occurred in you know, k Gighistan, Georgia, Ukraine, now is
happening in Serbia, Hungary where the people are just rising
up in the hundreds of thousand millions and are just
deciding that they're just not going to have it. And
in those systems of government, they're parliamentary systems of government,
they can actually knock down a government. They can force
(14:29):
an unpopular leader to leave. Our system doesn't support that.
But can we get to a point, can we get
to a number where you know, the Harvard study for example,
about civil disobedience and needed three point five percent of
the population to stand up, and that would is that number,
(14:53):
which in the United States is twelve point five million
people would have to protest enough to get the attention
of the other night. You know, the other three hundred
and twenty five million people who are not doing anything.
We're just living their day to day lives. And I
know there have been some calls from you know, like
David Brooks and even surprisingly Eddie Goud you know from MSNBC.
(15:18):
You know, he's always a very moderate kind of guy
to say that it's time for civil action, it's time
for big protests. We've had five million people come out
on the April fifth protest, which is nice, that's appreciable.
It's far bigger than anything that happened during the Vietnam War, right,
and we should pay attention to that. But shouldn't The
number we really be shooting for is thirty five million,
(15:41):
which is half of the Kamala Harris voters. Where is
the leadership here? Where is it that we're going to
be able to defend democracy? I really think you can
push back on this administration to the point where we
don't have to go on a national strike. But if
you immobilize Washington, d C. With a million people during
a work week, or get it to where it is
(16:02):
the only story in America the same way it is
in Belgrade, Serbia today, or in Romaine or Hungary in Budapest.
Why can we not do that to to in a
crusade to save the conversation. And by bringing those numbers in,
you get to tell the Walmart shopper America is under attack.
(16:23):
This isn't normal, and it's way bigger than anything MAGA
could ever muster.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
What do you think, Well, I think I think, for
as as grim a picture as my previous answer painted,
I actually have a lot of hope in this respect,
and I do think that we can get to that number.
And I actually don't even think we need that number
to get the attention of not the White House, because
we're not worried about moving the White House. The White
House is not going to change their steeped in correction
and this is just that that is baked into the cake.
(16:49):
But really, what we will be able to do is
get the attention of the legislative branch of these Republicans
in Congress, the House, in the Senate, because when the
reason that so that they show so much, so much
devotion to Donald Trump and not their own constituents, not
the American peoples, because they view his attacks on them,
(17:10):
the prospect of him fielding some type of primary opponent
to them from the right as an existential threat to
their power. But when they view their own constituents, their
own voters, as a bigger threat than the prospect of
Trump maybe fielding some primary opponent at some untold point
in the future, When they see their own voters immediately
(17:32):
as a bigger threat, then it doesn't matter what Trump says,
because they can lose their jobs at the hands of
their direct voters, and so like the prospect of them
may be losing their jobs at the hands of Donald
Trump if he is successful of fielding a primary opponent,
and you know, if that primary opponent is able to
beat them, that's a there are a lot of steps
that have to happen. But if you piss off the
(17:53):
seven hundred thousand people, if you're a member of Congress,
or you know, the people of your state, if you're
a senator, enough that so suddenly they don't want you
to be in office anymore, that it doesn't matter what
Trump says, because those voters directly are going to be
responsible for your demise. And so we'll see what happens
with with you know, the fact that we are having
enough people start to stand up. I don't know that
(18:14):
we need twenty five million people industry of course, that
that would do it. You know, like, I don't think
you and I.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Vote get twenty five. I want thirty five. I want
fifty percent of the Harris voter, just fifty percent, one
out of two who voted for Kamala Harris. But it
brings this question, you know, to mind, you know, where
where is the effort? I understand, the Democratic Party is
the opposition. They are elected representatives and they must play
to their making. They must play within the rules. The
(18:43):
rest of us are the resistance, right the people that
we're trying to turn out to show people power that
can push up from the bottom. Why are we so
nice in saying that, unlike in Europe where they can
demand the resignation of the leadership and threatened to shut
down a nation's economy, threatened to shut down, you know,
capital's work with strikes threatened. You know, I mean, we
(19:05):
could bring a million people into Washington, DC and make
sure no Doge worker ever goes back to work. So
long as they can't get the metro, they can't get
into the building, they can't get to the you know,
top tout coffee for their morning coffee. I don't and
that doesn't require intimidation. Why is Hakim Jeffries not in
a full scale secret campaign to get five Republicans who
(19:30):
voted it, who who won in Biden districts, to to
change to registered independent right, get great committee chairmanships and
caucus with the Democrats and flip the House, literally change
history with just five people. You have to Fitzpatricks, you
have the Bacons. Why is it? Why does everyone have
(19:52):
to feel like they are at a genteel tea party
and they have to pour the cup right, and that
they have to make sure that you know there's a
saf we're in a suite and you know, a cake
at the bottom, instead of just going out and engineering
the overturn of the House, because those people would be heroes.
(20:13):
Not just to the seventy six million, seventy six point
five million to vote for Harris, but you have the
other eighty million that didn't vote. They are going to
lose a lot if we don't stop this and feel
that the Trump administration is a machine that can never
be changed. Because at that point, if all of us
started calling for his resignation. Right, You could have a
(20:36):
mindset though, as people are hurt individually through the machinations
and start seeing his crazy as a block as opposed
to you know, the fourth person on Meet the Press,
who will be a low level Democratic congressman who will
speak politely.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, I think I think, Look, you're you're spot on
in the sense, and I think I think the the
crux of this argument is that we need people who
are willing to a to fight and be to figure
out ways to fight that that aren't it, that that
aren't the usual course of business, right Like I feel
like so often Democrats are just Okay, well, this is
(21:16):
how we've done it in the past, and so this
is how we're gonna do it now. And there's no
imagination to what we're doing. And really, at the end
of the day, to be perfectly honest, there's real there's
no real desire to get a lot of the things
done that we need to get done. Mitch McConnell. Look,
I I I think that I think that when when
(21:37):
Mitch McConnell goes to the afterlife, he will be he
will he will spend all of all of eternity in
the depths of hell like that is that is like
my my, my actual thought because of the because of
what he has done, the damage he has wrought to
our democracy. But with that said, I don't think you'll
find a single Democrat who doesn't who won't acknowledge the effectiveness.
(21:59):
And you know, during his time a Senate majority leader,
if he wants to do something, he gets it done,
and he doesn't let the rules or even the optics
of hypocrisy slow him down. If he wants to come
forward and say, we're not going to give Merrick Garland
a hearing because there are votes being cast at some
point this year, but we can give Amy Cony Barrett
a hearing even though there are votes being cast right now.
(22:21):
Doesn't skip a beat, and we just don't have that
same sense of fight. When Mitch McConnell wants to get
something done or says he wants to get something done,
he gets it done. Democrats will say that we want
to get something done, and then all of a sudden
we come across the smallest roadblock in the world, a
speed bump. Let's say, the parliamentarian says, oh, we couldn't
have this be a part of this Reconciliation Bill and
(22:41):
we go up, well that's it. The parliamentarian says no,
and so what could we possibly do is we just
have to take our ball and go home. And that's
the asymmetry that we have between the two parties. When
Republicans want to do something, they figure out a way
to get it done. When Democrats want to do something,
they'll confront the smallest obstacle and say, well, that's it,
you know we could possibly do.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
They love to rule by committee. I think one of
the greatest it was supposed to be a parody. I
think it was on The Daily Show of Nancy Pelosi
and Chuck Schumer ordering lunch, and it turned out to
be a twelve page statement right where they were working
over the details of every word and they're like, oh,
that's really good. That's really good. Look, we are in
(23:24):
a point in American history where and this is why
I'm bringing this up on my show because as a Philadelphian,
I'm deeply offended by what's going on here. Right. None
of this is constitutional. Yeah, and you know, people in
my city lost their lives, their houses. There's one member
who was a signer of the Declaration of the of Independence,
(23:47):
who lost all thirteen of his children. They were scattered
around and he was di destitute. And I once said
this at a speech for the Commonwealth Club, which is,
you know, as a nationwide broadcast speech, and I said,
I would be willing to surrender my life, my home,
my treasure, and my family. And then my wife sort
(24:09):
of went and I was like, Okay, I'm ready to
surrender my my home and my treasure. But we have
to understand that this is a seminal moment in American
history and everyone needs to be shouting macshoutface the way
I'm shouting right now, because I am horribly offended. Last
(24:31):
question though, and extends to this. I'm in Greenland because
I have a president that's threatening to invade this country
and there's only fifty seven thousand people here, and the
only way that Trump can annex this place is to
seize it by force and at nighttime special operations rate.
These people all have caribou hunting rifles and they're mad,
(24:55):
but they're willing to speak out in a way that
our own party will. And if that's the case, American
democracy is doomed and we're all going to turn into
underground insurgents. I you know, I can't wait. I fear
my return through JFK because you know, they're pulling over podcasters, bloggers, whatever,
(25:17):
and they're asking about Trump. And I've written ten books,
five or four of them were New York Times bestsellers
about Trump in his relationship with Moscow. And so we
have agencies acting like the Gestapo. I'd hate to say it.
I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth.
But what I'd like to say is, let you have
the last word here is you know the people that
(25:42):
you speak to other than the aocs and the Matchwell frosts,
these the average Democratic congressmen. Are they aware of how
dangerous the situation America is in? Or do they think
this is something that's political they can.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Finish the It's a great question, it's the right question.
And I know for my part, I look, I'm one
small voice in a sea of voices. But I think
we've all been.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Dude, you're one of the three blue dots that come
up on those bubbles of the information spheres. Well, yeah,
you're what You're a dot that's important?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, Well, you know, I think for I think we've
been beating we've all been beating the same drum in
the sense that what we are looking for is fighters,
and we have been all trying to convey this idea
that we are in a dire position right now. I
know that that really what I've decided to use my
platforms to do moving forward is to highlight those elected
officials who are willing to actually bring to show some
(26:38):
sense of fight and and whether it's you know, our
sitting congressman, sitting senators, or candidates for office, every single
interview with these people includes the question of whether or
not they are willing to actually meet this moment with
the urgency that deserves and to actually be a fighter,
because we have seen a lot of impotent, feckless democrats
(26:59):
come forward and think that they are in office to
protect the procedures of government, the processes of government, versus
to actually stand up for what that government is supposed
to represent. And they're not there to protect the filibuster.
They're there to protect the people and the rule of
law and democracy. And if you're not gonna do that,
then step aside and make room for somebody who will.
So look, I'll keep beating that drone, but that has
(27:19):
been my focus, and it will and it will remain
my focus as we, you know, go deeper and deeper
into this houscape that is the Truth administration.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I appreciate that. Let me tell you, my congressmen, we've
got a new Democratic Congress in my district to beat
it the Republican. But I don't hear much from him.
You're right, and if the first words out of his
mouth and every speech should be what the hell is
going on here? And you know everybody wants to be nice, right,
and I appreciate that you amplify those voices and that
(27:48):
you're giving cause. Please tell all the people you speak
to watch f and Hamilton if they don't know how
to behave all right and learn how to not throw
away their shot and to stand up and fight for
this kind at a time where we're all in peril.
And with that, thank you so much for coming on
the Black Man Spy Overseas edition. Yeah, that we have here,
(28:12):
and thanks again. I appreciate hearing from you, Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I appreciate it. I appreciate you having me on. Thanks
so much. And be careful out there, don't you know.
Don't let the don't let the Trump administer initation, get
away with what they're trying to do in Greenland.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Glad supposed to be here this week.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Oh god, man, just when you think you can't get worse.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh wait, wait for the TikTok in case I see him,
I was gonna says.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's never a good thing when you're in the same
country as Steve Bannon.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Thanks again, thanks for coming.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Thanks Malcolm.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Was that a discussion or what? Jeez? We were supposed
to talk about China Birthright Citizens show. But I think
the defense of American democracy is far, in a way,
the most important thing that we're talking about. And if
you're listening to black Man's spot, that means that you
believe in the same America that I believe in. One
(29:02):
that all of us, whether we are in the armed forces,
the intelligence community, a boy Scouts swore or girl Scouts
swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution of
the United States, and we are creeding into the lawlessness
of As we mentioned before on this podcast, a person
(29:24):
a prince who's every act defines a tyrant. And we
are now into the let me just take Bribe's phase
of this story. But it is more important that you
view yourself or at least commit to yourself to being
the fighter that Brian was saying that we're missing now.
(29:45):
If you're coming out to the protest, go to every
protest every weekend. I'm not interested in hitting twelve point
five million protesters to save American democracy. I'm interested in
thirty five million, seventy five million, seventy six point five
million of you voted against this tyrant wanna be dictator.
(30:08):
So where are you? How come you're not getting out
with your wife, your kids, your husband, your partner every
weekend and fighting to save American democracy. We are in
the greatest crisis since the secession in eighteen sixty and
only people power is going to save this country. I
firmly believe that in my art. You know, so you
(30:31):
need to commit yourself to being a fighter. I want
you to keep watching Black Man's Spy. Follow me on Substack,
follow me on Apple, Stitcher, YouTube. You can find this
podcast everywhere, and I want you to share it if
you've learned anything about the threat, not just the threat
to the great people of Greenland, but the threat to
(30:52):
the constitutional order of the United States. Please I beg
you deeply to share it. With your friends. You know,
not all of us are suited to stand up and
make our voices heard, but a lot of us are.
And we all have to be Hamilton or the Skylar
Sisters for Christ's six if you want another analogy, right,
(31:15):
you know, the revolution is happening in Manhattan, and you know,
the greatest city in the world. But it's not just Manhattan.
It's happening in every town, every village, every hamlet. I
live in a hamlet, and everybody's protesting. People are mad,
and they're mad because the America they love is being
re engineered by a bunch of tech bros and a
(31:38):
bunch of you know, yao kayata hillbillies who think that
they're going to destroy the constitutional order and that they
can steal and take anything they want. I will not
allow that as long as I will breath in my body.
And it will be very interesting in my next episode
to tell you how my customs grow. Was when I
(32:00):
returned to the United States from Copenhagen, because I'm finding
that people are being pulled over and interrogated about their
political beliefs. Look, I literally help run a school on interrogation.
So Thoice will be the least fruitful thing that they
ever have. But I hope I don't have a story
to tell you. I hope I just come back with
(32:21):
my bottle of French wine and walk through Nexus and
come and give you another great episode. So with that,
please devote yourself to being a son, a daughter, a
lover of the American Revolution and the Constitution of the
United States. And I want to see you next week
(32:42):
on the next episode of Black Man Spy.
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