July 31, 2025 • 44 mins
Malcolm Nance welcomes Tara Setmayer to Black Man Spy.
The pair discuss Tulsi Gabbard and Trump accusing President Obama of committing treason and Curtis Yarvin's recent comments on American billionaires and his vision for a CEO-led monarchy. Malcolm and Tara also discuss the continuing Jeffrey Epstein controversy and the importance of mobilizing women voters.
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The pair discuss Tulsi Gabbard and Trump accusing President Obama of committing treason and Curtis Yarvin's recent comments on American billionaires and his vision for a CEO-led monarchy. Malcolm and Tara also discuss the continuing Jeffrey Epstein controversy and the importance of mobilizing women voters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Philosopher King Curtis yardist N yesterday said billionaires in America
aren't real billionaires. They are billionaire and words because they yeah,
sh you not, I shit you not. On the record,
Curtis Jarvin is the most is the most dangerous ideological
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characters since Osama.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Bin lauden him saying that America needs to get over
their dictatorphobia and that people who don't contribute enough to society,
we could just turn them into biofuel, which he did say,
you know, and the idea that democracy is like, we
don't want that. We should have network states where these
techbro kings basically rule eat rule each one of these
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network states. That not, we don't have democracy and freedom anymore.
I thought that was bad enough. But this guy, you're right,
he's flown under the radar for a long time. And
this is a guy that Peter Thiel said was his
political guru.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Good gun. This is black Man Spy.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hi. I'm Malcolm Nance and welcome to this week's episode
of Black Man's Spy. If you're listening, you can't see
that I am sitting in what appears to be the
masterpiece theater set of Black Man's Spy. That's because I'm
in a beautiful wingback chair in front of a marble
fireplace and with beautiful paintings adorned all around me. Because
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I'm in Washington, DC and I am here for an
event with the International Spy Museum. More about that later,
but today we are interviewing Taris Setmeyer. She is the
resident scholar at the University of Virginia Center for Politics.
She regularly appears as an on air commentator on MSNBC,
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which is where I Know Where from, and as co
founder and CEO of the Seneca Project. It is a
five partisan super packed led by women, dedicated to mobilizing
women voters in key swing states. We have an exciting interview,
so let's move on and hear what Tara Setmeier has
to say about Jeffrey Epstein, women and national security. Every
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time Donald Trump opens his mouth, he goes deeper and
deeper down the rabbit hole, and the nuances of the
relationship are coming to the front. Now why does that?
Why are we interested in this on the Black Men's
Spy Podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, it's as simple as this.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
These things are now having national security impacts, direct impacts.
We have the Director of National Intelligence literally claiming that
a former president of the United States committed treason and
that she found evidence in the intelligence community showing that
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Barack Obama, by her reading of it, Tulsi gabbage reading
of it, supposedly directed the intelligence community to go back
and rewrite a single report that showed that the Russians
did not hack the twenty sixteen election, and it didn't
have any impact. The funny thing about it is, and
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here's I'm going to start with this premise. When I
taught at the Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape School, which
is our secret school for.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How to behave in front of the enemy.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
One of the things that we teach also operationally when
you're doing operations like human intelligence, one of the things
that we teach is don't lie. You can tell facts
in such a way that they don't amount to the truth, right,
but don't lie because lies can be caught. And Tulsi
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Gabbert clearly has never gone to one of these schools,
right it is clearly so my first question to you
is one, why do they think attacking Barack Obama is
going to work.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Because it's the greatest hits and we've been here before.
Donald Trump installed these people, these you know, incompetent sycophants,
so they could do exactly what they're doing right now.
We all know that he's incompetent, that he's a malignant narcissist,
that he represents a clear and present danger to our
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democracy on every level, and that has played out virtually
every week since he took the oath of office again,
an oath that he doesn't give a damn about and
doesn't care. He is living out his little authoritarian dream,
ruining our democracy while he does it, People like Tulsi Gabbard,
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Pete heg Seth Cash, Pateel, Dan Bongino, all of these people,
who are wholly unqualified for their positions, shouldn't be anywhere
near intelligence, national security, the Pentagon, none of these things.
In normal times, not one of these people would get
anywhere near an approval on a basic security clearance, Not
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one of them, given their backgrounds.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Real quick.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Judy Reid made a very good comment and when when
I interviewed her a few weeks ago, and she said,
every one of these people is qualified to have been
the spokesman for those apartments, but not for the.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, I wouldn't even say that given there, given their
backgrounds and given the problems, the ethical problems, Tulsea Gabbert's
questionable relationships with Russia, and you know Syria, and you
know some of the talking points right and and you
know Pete hag Seth and his background like these, you know, Malcolm,
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to go through a security clearance, to get the level
of security clearance you would need to even step foot
in the door in these cabinet agencies or any of
these intelligence agencies.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
They would they would forget it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So the fact that these are the people who are
making these decisions and that the press treats them as
if they're a normal DNI like you know, we had
James Clapper, okay, who is a legend, who is who
is one of the best of the best in the
intelligence business. Fifty years of experience he had that job.
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And now we have Tulci Gabbard. Why is she there
because she's doing exactly what Donald Trump wants. She's gonna
go and gin up whatever bs evidence they claim that
they now have of something that has been already litigated
multiple times in the court of public opinion, in the Congress,
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in the Department of Justice. Robert Muller did an entire,
very thorough report on this, and she's gonna go and
find some conspiracy theory nonsense and go out there and make.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It look good because she looks good on camera. Let's
be honest.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Donald Trump cares about that and presented in a way
that makes it sound credible to his base, and unfortunately
the mainstream media eats it up because they want access,
so they listen to her instead of constantly undercutting and
undermining with facts, because like I said, we've already litigated
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this multiple times over and saying.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Well, well, where's the proof of that. Well, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
The bipartisan Senate report that came out that was authored
by the current Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Debunks everything that you just said. You know, like there's
so many things here that that could be that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Could undermine what she's saying. But you know, they still
have they give it. They give it airtime because they
have to. And Trump knows that. That's why he throws
out these bombs of you know, attention shiny objects. Obama
should be prosecuted for treason, like this is insanity, But
at the same time, it's coming from the president of
the United States throwing out terms like treason, which we
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all know is punishable by death. It's outrageous, and that's
what they're there to do. They're all his henchmen to
do his bidding.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Every time I hear this, the first thing I think
of is can these people read?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Are they actually literate?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Because I happen to know that treason is the only
crime listed in the Constitution of the United States, and
it was narrowly defined, and I said this on one
of my previous podcasts, that it was defined based on
precisely what happened to George Washington as he was sitting
at Benedict Arnold's breakfast table while Arnold was out meeting
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with Major andre And what it says is you have
to be levying war against the United States, which Arnold did.
Bend Arnold would and joined British forces and fought in
north in southern Virginia against America. You have to be
providing aid and comfort to them, which is also intelligence.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But you have to be at war with an enemy.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So you can't just say treason is what it used
to be before the Magna Carta, yeah, which is King's law,
which is you have betrayed me.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And in my reckoning of it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You are a trader to me, and whatever I thought
of five minutes ago, these people are nuts. It's not
a question of the crime or whatever it is. Because
you know, as we know, Barack Obama has every bit
of king like immunity that Donald Trump has.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
That's the irony of this, right. It's like, Hello, Trump
versus the United States.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
The Supreme Court gave him this insane level of immunity,
which is just right.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I take it off because I know we're gonna fight
here in a minute.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I mean, it gets you riled up, right for those
of us who actually do read and do understand the Constitution,
and do know the history here, and do know the context,
and do understand what's at stake.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, it gets you.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It gets you a little excited, gets the blood pressure
of I should probably be drinking decaf coffee.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You and your education. I know that god around like
a virus.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I know, you know, because Donald Trump doesn't like the
poorly educated. So I guess we're treason us too because
we're we're educated. But it was Frederick Douglas who' said
education is the key to freedom. And that's the reason
why Donald Trump and Maga goes after education to undercut
it and to inject propaganda because if people are not informed,
if you don't have an informed citizen race, you can
get away with the ship that he's doing.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
And that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But every week I do a radio program on Stephanie
Miller Radio show. She has about six million listeners a
day for three hours, pretty good show.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
One of my favorite parts of that show she made
up a.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Jingle, right, everybody loves a jingle from us from a song,
an old eighties song called a New York Minute, and
it's called when the Black.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Guy Did It. So our presupposition here should be.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That when Barack Obama did everything that was good and
decent in America, Donald Trump is now better naturally predisposed
to destroyed.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
He has it in his head that if the black
guy did.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It, no matter how good it was, how nice it was,
he must focus on destroying it. And this has gotta
be some sort of insane, wet dream that he's been having.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, well, there's a couple things there. The first thing
is you mentioned the pre Magna carta. If it's against
the king, it's treason, right, Donald.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Right, Donald Trump thinks he's a king.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He put himself on an ai rendering of Time magazine
with the king's crown, like he embraces this. That is
such an affront to what this country was founded on
and why we fought a war and for independence. This
is the same guy that also has no idea what's
in the Declaration of Independence? Remember when he was asked
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about that. He has no idea, right, he has no
idea none about the foundation of this country, So why
would he respect it? And he's surrounded now by people
who are these enablers slash collaborators, and they all you
want to talk about wet dream they all. It's a
big circle jerk of authoritarian dreams going on here in
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the West wing of the White House. He doesn't have
anyone or in his inner circle anymore like he did
the first time around. And that was bad enough, but
at least he had people there that still respected the
rule of law, still respected our democratic norms and institutions.
There were guardrails because the first term could have been
way worse. And we know this from folks like Miles
Taylor and others who were there who witnessed it, who
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come who came out and said, let me tell.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You what we had to do to stop this.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Those people are nowhere to be found this time around,
there's no one. And so he's out here using taxpayer,
taxpayer dollars, you know, government accounts, all of these things,
breaking all kinds of laws and rules, the corruption, the
emolument's clause, getting rich off bitcoin, and you know, all
the stuff that he launching products with his name on
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all of these things because he thinks he's the king,
and all he cares about is that level of loyalty.
So when it comes to the competent black guy who
actually is everything Donald Trump wishes he was. He's thin,
he's in good shape, he has a he has a
wife who loves him.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He's educated, he has had a successful presidency. He's beloved, you.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Know, and you could actually get into Harvard correct, correct.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Smart and their women daughters, you know, Donald Trump. Barack
Obama's everything Donald Trump isn't. And we all know that
he's had a he is a long history of being
a racist, and so he's not. He's not Donald Trump's
idea of what a black guy could be. How could
a black guy possibly be? You know, all of these things,
and and so he's got a weird but being his
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bonnet for Barack Obama, but mainly all the things I
just listed, and he is a screaming racist. And this
is coming from someone who you know, I used to
be a Republican for twenty seven years. I quit the
party in twenty twenty after Donald Trump refused to concede
the election.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I was never a Trumper. I was a never Trumper
from very beginning from day one.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And I, you know, as a as a conservative, I
thought for sure that people would live up to the
Bill Buckley theme of you know, we're supposed to be
the ones that yell stop athwart history when no one
else will. We're supposed to a much prudence, you know
things with our policy. With prudence, we're supposed to be
about individual empowerment and accountability and responsibility. I actually believed
all that shit, and I actually found out that all
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of those people run around with their little pocket constitutions,
like Ted Cruz and others on Capitol Hill when I
used to be a staffer up there, they're all shit
because as soon as they saw the opportunity to get
on the Trump train, because that was going to be
their political savior, they did it, and principles be damned.
And so what we're seeing now is a decay an
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erosion of all of those things. And it's bigger than
just the party turning into this perverted, authoritarian, fascist party.
It's affected our entire country, where we're seeing people snatched
off the streets due process to help with that, people
getting confirmed to be federal court judges for lifetime appointments
that are saying fu to the courts, and with whistleblower.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Complaints against them.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I mean, all of the things that are going on,
and we're just what six or seven months in is
all because Republicans we're too chicken shit to stand up
and say no and ye'll stop athwart history when no
one else would when it was their responsibility to stop
this bastard.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
And now we're all here having to pay the price
for it.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But what I'm seeing is as I saw this party
descend into chaos. Look, I started as a Republican back
in nineteen eighty. You know, it was a Reagan Republican
national security strong. I was Colin Powell Republican national security strong,
socially liberal. Those were two components the Republican Party could
deal with back in those days, and that if you
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look at the X Y axis, Colin Powell and I
are out at the lower left hand quadrant.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Liberal right.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yes, we're all liberals now, by the way, we're all
flaming liberalsus George W.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Bush, mister compassionate conservatism, he's a flaming liberal left wing
libtard or whatever they call them now by Donald Trump
Maga standards. I mean, look, Ronald Reagan wouldn't have been
welcome in this party.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Richard Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency in many of
the regulations that are being gutted right now. But my
point is this, clearly oligarchy right has taken hold in
America to where they are open. They are outright, they
are brazen right, go get you know, and to put
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it in the cash money brothers jargon, go get your money, right,
let's go get our money.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I got mine, you go get yours. Here's how you
get yours.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Literally, the characters in Anne Rand's Fountain Head right, the
government of nepotism and the hookup and gangsters all looking
each other up. The sole function of government in A
Rand's book was oligarchy and making money, and that was
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she was supposed to be some insane far right conservative idealogue.
And now it's almost like, oh, fountain Head, that's actually
a playbook.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Now, this is what we should be doing.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now, run away to the life of Colorado, Go steal
your money.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
When I was the vice chair of the College Republicans
at George Washington University where I went to school, we
used to debate the Objectivists, right, and they used to
walk around with there and ran books and you know,
have all these debates. And they were all like, you know,
the the Objectivists and then the Libertarians and you know,
and then the Republicans, and we would all have these, like,
you know, very high faluton intellectual conversations dissecting the nuances
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of these political philosophies. I missed those days, frankly, because
of all of things. Very notional, and you know, no
one ever thought that we'd be living this out in
real life. It's it's quite remarkable and saddening for me.
It's very like, I'm like, what is happening. It's not
notional anymore. This is what we're actually living through as
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a country. And Donald Trump is I don't think. I
think lack of imagination has allowed a lot of this
to happen to so many people be like, well, he wouldn't,
he can't do this sometimes even you know, I come
from a law enforcement family. My grandfather was a World
War Two veteran and captain of my hometown police department
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in Paramus, New Jersey for forty. Yes, that's where I
grew up proudly, yes, from my gosh, I'm not seventeen.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Indeed, that's where I was to get all my stuff
to go to girl Scout camp.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Anyway, So I you know, I grew up in blue
collar Burden County, New Jersey. You know, my grandfather, his
parents came over through Ellis Island as German refugees.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
They didn't say that back then if they came here
in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yes, they came over in the nineteen twenties because some
things were brewing in Germany and they said, hell, no,
we're out of here.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
And you know, my grandmother's family they're from Italy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
My my biological father, he's his family's from Guatemala. They
left when the tanks were coming down the streets and
you know, in the fifties in Guatemala.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
So but I grew up with my my on my
mom's side. My mom was a single parent.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
She had me at twenty one, and my mom was
in show business and she lived in New York City.
And like so I grew up in a very like
all American parades every Fourth of July. I mean, my
grandfather was a volunteer fireman for seventy two years, Okay,
so all the way up until his dying day. He
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was part of that community in Paramus, And I grew
up with that sense of community, that sense of going
to get the paper for him every day and reading it,
and you know, going to the Fourth of July parades
every year.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
As a kid.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
He marched in every parade from nineteen forty seven until
ten days before he passed in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
At ninety they the police.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Department literally wheeled him down the parade route because he said,
I am not missing the parade, and ten days later
he passed. And so like this part of what it
means to be an American, what it means to respect
our constitutional norms, and all of those things are ingrained
in my DNA. So when I see what these bastards
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are doing to our country and who how are they
have they define what it means.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
To be an American? And how dare they do what
they're doing? It?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It it, it is.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's a visceral reaction. That's why I fight so hard
for it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
So I started the Seneca Project with my co founder,
Michelle Kinney. That's why, you know, I'm blessed to have
the relationships I have with with guys like you who
are heroes in your service and what you've done, and
you and Malcolm and so many others who have served
this country with honor, and then you look at what
this administration and what the Republican Party is allowing to happen.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It's just enough front to all of that.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And I think that's what rallies a lot of us
and motivates a lot of us to keep in this
fight because it can be exhausting.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But what you just have, what you just spelled out
with your family history. I used to joke when I
was when my when I was married to my first wife,
who was French Canadian, Uh you know, uh that we
had a multinational, multi lingual, multicultural, multi ethnic, multi species
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because we had beagles all American family. And what is
happening now appears to be that we are having a
coup de'ta of what America is, what defines America, and
the coup is that a certain class of the uber
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rich and the uber poor, white you know, lower middle
class and white billionaire elite have decided the definition of
America is we will not be replaced in any aspect
at any part of government, and we will run the government.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Like let me get this.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
My analogy right, potter Town and you know, uh in.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
That Frank Kapra movie for Christmas. It's a wonderful life,
wonderful town. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It went from Bedford Falls, which is actually based on
a small town near where I live in.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yes, Seneca Falls.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yes, it was based off.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It was filmed there.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yes, Seneca Falls is where are the inspiration for the
name of our our super pack. The Seneca Project came
from because it was where the eighteen forty eight First
Women's Convention, Women's Rights Convention happened, and the anniversary of
it was just recent July twentieth and twenty first, and
Michelle and I actually before we launched the Seneca Project,
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took a little field trip to take it all in
and it was really really cool.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Does it look like the movie set.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Of course it does. We took pictures on the bridge
and the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I mean, absolutely, it's a it's a nice little town.
It's beautiful up there. Great reaslings in the Finger Lakes
area were wine. I'm a wine person, but no, it
was just taking in all that history there and and
Michelle was like, this is where. It's a wonderful life.
Some I'm like, oh my god, that's right. They have
a little placard on the bridge and the whole so
beautiful up there.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Well, my analogy still stands that, Okay, if Seneca Falls
is Bedford Falls, and it is beautiful and it's cute,
and it's all America and a place where good clean
family fund can happen and people of goodwill and decency
can be there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yes, America is now potter Town.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And if you were calling the movie potter Town was
gambling casinos, strip clubs, right, corrupt, dirty cops that would
shake you down right and and hookers walking.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I mean, in nineteen thirty eight, I could.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Say something very vulgar about the current occupant of the
White House and his wife, but I will I will free.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I mean, now you've got gambling, insider trading, blatant corruption.
You could argue that you have you know, hookers and
protectors of child sex traffickers in the White House at
this point, and this is has seen a lot of
horrible things in its time, but not all of them
compiled into one person. So my argument being that we
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are looking at a war for the definition of what
America is, and one side is decided to just come
in and decapitate everyone else's dreams, and that there will
be one American dream, one religion, one color, one way
of conservative ideology that's nothing like our conservative ideality dominating
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this country's narrative forever.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yes, yes, that's why the existential urgency and threat of
the moment that we're in is so great. You know, people,
if you would have told us this ten years ago,
that we would be here now, and these are the
types of conversations we're having right now, people would think
we were nuts.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I would be like, get the hell out of here.
There's no way.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I mean, I would have said, no way if you
would have told me that we were staring down the
barrel of losing our democracy to an imperialist, authoritarian sitting
in the White House ruling by executive order, dismissing Congress,
ignoring court orders, and the Republican Party was going along
with it. I would have told you you were insane,
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and yet here we are and nothing you said.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Is hyperbole, none of it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We are literally living through a cacistocracy right, with people
right the stupidest, most unqualified people in positions of power,
plus an oligarchy. Because those people are in power, it
allows the elites with money to run everything, basically buy
their way into access and own the people who are
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in charge.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And then you have a certain amount of you know,
there's like.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
A plutocracy, leptocracy thing all going on in their elements
of all of that plus fascism.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, which Mussolini defined as a dictatorship of the corporate right.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And don't tell I.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Mean hello, Peter Thiel bought the Vice presidency and his
tech bros in Silicon Valley with Pallanteer and all of
the stuff that's going on, and the Network States and
Elon Musk and his bullshit, all of that going on.
That that undercurrent of what's happening under our noses where
we're now living in a full blown you know surveillance state.
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They are. They're all up in our government. There's no
privacy anymore, right, thanks to Doze and what Elon was
allowed to get away with. Again, I remember the Republicans
who would have flipped out ten years ago if anything
remotely close to what Dog did with infiltrating all of
our private documents and all this. I remember the party
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where they flipped out over a national ID card. A
national ID card. Oh no, no, it's the mark of the beast.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
No way, that's the government. It's a registry.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
They can't. Are you kidding me? Do you have any
idea what's happening right now? They're all up in our
social security information and everything else you could possibly think of.
There is no privacy anymore, and a bunch of nineteen
year olds named big Balls have access to all of
that stuff, and Republicans stat back and let it happen.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Well, because we also have this not this East German
saucy like beliee state forming.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Only instead of making your neighbors.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Drop dimes on you, the entire government, collective of every
bit of information about you, is about to become centralized database.
That should be a top priority of any any future
administration will be to stop that, break it up, you know,
dissect that because that is hour, yeah, information about you,
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the length of your eyelashes, the amount of times that
you know, how often you buy toothpaste, what you file
for in your taxes. This is centralized dictatorial power. They
can craft propaganda to you and your dog because you
order X amount from pet smart, you know, to propagandize
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you and turn the Constitution into a document written by
traders and all of these things. Yes, you know, from
the national security perspective, this is being taken out of
the hands of professionals. This is now in the hands
of computer programmers and evil lazy bond villains. Yes, Elon Musk,
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Peter til Peter til Mark Andresen David Sachs and Elon Musk.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
For South Africans, I was just gonna say, there's a
there's a South African connection here why African apartheid.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Apartheidis are changing the entirety of the definition of America.
And I really believe that that that that movie with
uh District District nine, right, that movie of where rich
people are you know, up on his space bas or whatever,
and you know, and elm that was Elysium and we
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everyone else ideologically. I think these guys who actually say this,
they actually say this out loud and with their philosopher
King Curtis Yarn yesterday, I don't know if you saw it,
he said billionaires in America aren't real billionaires, they are
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billionaire and words because they yeah you not, I ship
you not. I said on the record, Curtis Jarvin, it's
the most it's the most dangerous ideological characters since Osama
been lauden four billionaires not like their white philosopher king
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billionaires as billionaire and words.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Where did he say this.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Just yesterday on Twitter?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Oh my king and he listen?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
He when I thought him saying that America needs to
get over their dictator phobia and that people who don't
contribute enough to society we could just turn them into biofuel,
which he did say, you know, and the idea that
democracy is like, we don't want that. We should have
network states where these techbro kings basically rule eat rule
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each one of these network states. That not we don't
have democracy and freedom anymore. I thought that was bad enough.
But this guy, you're right, is and he's crept under.
He's been, you know, creeping around. He's flown under the
radar for a long time. And this is a guy
that Peter Thiel said was his political.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Guru, good gun.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And you know, but I think I think he really
believes there needs to be that there will be the
techno elite, there will be the clean techno billionaires who
aren't billionaire and words, and that every rest of us
should be reduced to shanty towns to supporting them. This
is beyond potter Town, right, This is way beyond that.
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And the problem is is that I have as a
national security professional, and like people in your family, there
are real threats out there, Yes, real threats that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Wish us ill and do us harm.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And it reminds me of that onion headline al Kaya
releases its brilliant plan to destroy America by sitting back
and eating popcorn. You know, I mean, they don't have
to do anything now, our opponents allowing America to be
what it now wants to be, which is Potterville.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Listen, that was the whole point of Russia's attack on us, right,
It was an asymmetrical warfare attack on us starting years ago.
They studied us, they studied our culture, and they weaponized
it against us.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
And that was what the twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Mull Report and the Russian interference into our election was about.
It wasn't about going in and changing vote totals.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
It wasn't about that.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It was if you for those who haven't, I mean,
if you want to go back and read the Mulla
Report or just read the executive summary, you will see
what they did and what they continue to do is
they use social media, and they use our own culture
and our own racial and economic divisions against us, and
they fueled the flames so that we would destroy ourselves
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from within.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
And it fucking worked.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It's working their propaganda and they're you know what they
did and with the bots and all of that, with
social media. It it is the most successful intelligence psyops
operation ever in history. Because look at where we are
as a result of that. And Donald Trump was their stuge,
useful idiot number one, and he's doing it willingly because
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they knew how to manipulate him.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Started back in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
They've been recruiting him for years and it worked, whether
he winningly or unwittingly. Look at what they've accomplished, and
they're sitting back taking shots of vodka and the Kremlin
lavender asses off, watching us destroy ourselves with this fool
and his and his people, and our and the American people,
not us the other half that bought into.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
It, enabling this. It's a it's a heavy lift. But
I still think that there's more of us than there
are of them.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
It's just a matter of explaining to people why we
you know, it's important to fight back against it.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
We can't just sit back and let it happen.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, in our last few minutes, because I know you
have to go. You know, people ask me all the time,
they're like, Malcolm, what do we do?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
What tangibly can we do?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I have tangibles that are coming that I spell out
all the time. But with Seneca Project, tell us in
your words, what is Seneca Project doing and how can
people come and join and help you facilitate your actions?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, no, thank you for that. You know.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Seneca Project was started by my co founder, Michelle Kenny
and I last year during the election because we really
wanted to focus on women and democracy because there's been
such an assault on women's rights and freedoms in this
country's post Dobbs. I mean it's been going on for
quite some time, but post Dobs, it's the first time
that an entire group of people in the United States
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have actually lost a right, and women are.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
More than half the population.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
We lost a right, and so we wanted to give
a permission structure to women, particularly in swing states that listen,
we don't care who you voted for before, None of
that matters as long as you don't vote for him
this time because there's so much at stake here. So
we are a content organization, and so we used our
Michelle as award winning creative director and I come from
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political communications background. She was a Democrat, I was a Republican,
so I understand how to fight these fights, and I
understand how to you know, we'll talk about asymmetrical warfare.
You know, it's the dark arts of comms where you
have to meet people where they are and do it
in a way that's not the same tired way.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Of politically communicating to folks.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And so that's how we started and we you know,
obviously the result wasn't what we wanted it to be.
There were down ballot wins and we're glad about that.
At the state level those things matter, But we produced
a lot of really really excellent content during the election
last year and are are at American Girl speaking about
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what it means to be an American went super viral
and we want a Webby Award for it, which was
quite an accomplishment for us as a young new women
led very small organization and that we started with our
own money. So we since the election, we had to
recalibrate a little bit and focus more on the democracy
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side and coming from the perspective of women, because if
we don't save our democracy, nothing else matters. So we
are a super pack. So there's no limit to the
amount of financial support for us, but we do run
solely on donations and the generosity of the good folks
out there who want to see us continue to put
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out that type of content.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think it's important.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
We're filling the void where the Democratic Party can't get
out of its own way, and we're like, listen, if
you guys, you have to go on offense all the time.
And that's what that's the philosophy that I bring to
this because I know from being on the other side.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I know how I know what Republicans do. I was
part of it. I was part of that and so
I'm like offense.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Defense may win championships in football, but offense wins elections.
So you can't be on defense all the time. And
Democrats have still not really figured out how to go
on offense because the other side never stops. They march
lockstep constantly. So what you know, nice, no, no, exactly, no, no, no, okay,
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I'm from Jersey because I have mentioned that there is
no you know this is nice no, no, no, okay,
Michelle is from New York. You know we are we
are killer messengers. We're like I use a Navy seal reference,
which you'll appreciate. You know, we are the precision killers
that you tip of the spear. You send us in
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to do the job that others can't do. And that's
what we have prided ourselves on. That's what we continue
to do. We're trying to go on offense and fill
void where the Democratic Party is not because we can't
sit around and wait for them to get it together.
I hope they do because we need everybody. But that's
what we're doing. And you know, like I said, as
a smaller women led organization, sometimes it's harder for us
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to raise money because people don't inherently trust women the
same way they.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Do men, which is a whole other conversation, but.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You know that's uh, you know, So we hope that
they're the generosity of the American people who believe in
what we're doing and want to support us will continue
so we can continue to do this work as we
build up. You know, we're in the fight now. We've
been in the fight from day one. We never we
took maybe two weeks off to kind of recover during
the holidays after the election, and then right away we
put out we put out an ad called do not
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Obey in advance and immediately to keep people in the
fight to understand why we have to stay in this fight.
Because they want to exhaust us. That's part of their playbook.
They want to run us down. They want us not
to have hope anymore. They want us to just obey,
and we refuse to do that. And as Americans who
love this country, all of us who are here, who
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appreciate what this country means for all the reasons, we
have to stay in this fight. So that's what we're
doing at the Seneca Project, and they can find us
at Seneca Project dot us You can follow us on
all the socials at Seneca Project US, like and subscribe
out on our YouTube channel at Seneca Project. You can
see all of our content there, and we also have
(40:26):
a streaming show called The Stakes that we do every
Thursday at seven point thirty Live, and we do a
show called over It as well.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
That's four of us.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
There's four women that they're not part of Seneca, but
we do more because we have to keep we have
to stay present, and we have to keep people engaged,
and we have to keep people, you know, informed, because
they're counting on people not being informed, they're counting on
them being exhausted, and we just want to build that
community so people know we're all in this together.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Well, I am absolutely glad that you came on board
here and enlightened us and gave us your political analysis.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
But more importantly, I am convinced now that women will
be the downfall of Donald Trump, just in the way
that he didn't think what was happening when he was
exploiting them.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So much for coming here, explaining what Seneca Project does
and in opening my eyes to another avenue of information.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So thanks, thank you, thank you so much. We'll have
you on again.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I hope to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
And right now, we actually have an ad that we
re released called Predator about Trump and Epstein and you
know his history, very creepy, unsettling history with women and
particularly young women. We put that out during the election,
and unfortunately it's relevant again. And this this whole Epstein
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Maxwell you know, Trump debacle that's going on.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
It's not going to die down. And it shouldn't. It shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
I mean, it's weird that all of the things that
he's done, that this is the thing that mag is
may may split Maga apart, but it goes it speaks
to the heart of their whole trust in him. We
all know he's a lying liar who lies, but for
the MAGA folks, this is new to them. He's never
really lied to them about something as important to them
as this because he's all up in it and we
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all know it. And they can't make the Maga math math.
You know, they're like, you said, we're going to.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Release it, but you're you're friend him. And now this whole.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Gallaine Maxwell thing that wait a minute, what do you
mean you won't you're saying that you might pardon her, Well, wait,
you were friends with them for decades. Like all of
these things, the more he opens his mouth, the more,
you know, the deeper the Holy digs here on this
because he's lying to cover his own ass. So we
need to keep the pressure on him about that and
make sure that you know either you are against child
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sex trafficking predators or you're not. There is no gray
area here, and right now he's trying to thread a
needle in a gray area and everybody, including.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Maga's calling bullshit on it. As we need to continue
to do. Keep the pressure.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna watch that video
Predator on your Seneca Project YouTube page.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
So thanks again for coming, Thank you, Malcolm, thanks for
having me.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Wow, great discussion and thank you for coming to it.
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So with that, thank you for coming to this week's edition.
I will see you all next week on the beach.
There.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Philosopher King Curtis yardist N yesterday said billionaires in America
aren't real billionaires. They are billionaire and words because they yeah,
sh you not, I shit you not. On the record,
Curtis Jarvin is the most is the most dangerous ideological
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characters since Osama.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Bin lauden him saying that America needs to get over
their dictatorphobia and that people who don't contribute enough to society,
we could just turn them into biofuel, which he did say,
you know, and the idea that democracy is like, we
don't want that. We should have network states where these
techbro kings basically rule eat rule each one of these
(00:50):
network states. That not, we don't have democracy and freedom anymore.
I thought that was bad enough. But this guy, you're right,
he's flown under the radar for a long time. And
this is a guy that Peter Thiel said was his
political guru.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Good gun. This is black Man Spy.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hi. I'm Malcolm Nance and welcome to this week's episode
of Black Man's Spy. If you're listening, you can't see
that I am sitting in what appears to be the
masterpiece theater set of Black Man's Spy. That's because I'm
in a beautiful wingback chair in front of a marble
fireplace and with beautiful paintings adorned all around me. Because
(01:40):
I'm in Washington, DC and I am here for an
event with the International Spy Museum. More about that later,
but today we are interviewing Taris Setmeyer. She is the
resident scholar at the University of Virginia Center for Politics.
She regularly appears as an on air commentator on MSNBC,
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which is where I Know Where from, and as co
founder and CEO of the Seneca Project. It is a
five partisan super packed led by women, dedicated to mobilizing
women voters in key swing states. We have an exciting interview,
so let's move on and hear what Tara Setmeier has
to say about Jeffrey Epstein, women and national security. Every
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time Donald Trump opens his mouth, he goes deeper and
deeper down the rabbit hole, and the nuances of the
relationship are coming to the front. Now why does that?
Why are we interested in this on the Black Men's
Spy Podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, it's as simple as this.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
These things are now having national security impacts, direct impacts.
We have the Director of National Intelligence literally claiming that
a former president of the United States committed treason and
that she found evidence in the intelligence community showing that
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Barack Obama, by her reading of it, Tulsi gabbage reading
of it, supposedly directed the intelligence community to go back
and rewrite a single report that showed that the Russians
did not hack the twenty sixteen election, and it didn't
have any impact. The funny thing about it is, and
(03:28):
here's I'm going to start with this premise. When I
taught at the Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape School, which
is our secret school for.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How to behave in front of the enemy.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
One of the things that we teach also operationally when
you're doing operations like human intelligence, one of the things
that we teach is don't lie. You can tell facts
in such a way that they don't amount to the truth, right,
but don't lie because lies can be caught. And Tulsi
(04:00):
Gabbert clearly has never gone to one of these schools,
right it is clearly so my first question to you
is one, why do they think attacking Barack Obama is
going to work.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Because it's the greatest hits and we've been here before.
Donald Trump installed these people, these you know, incompetent sycophants,
so they could do exactly what they're doing right now.
We all know that he's incompetent, that he's a malignant narcissist,
that he represents a clear and present danger to our
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democracy on every level, and that has played out virtually
every week since he took the oath of office again,
an oath that he doesn't give a damn about and
doesn't care. He is living out his little authoritarian dream,
ruining our democracy while he does it, People like Tulsi Gabbard,
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Pete heg Seth Cash, Pateel, Dan Bongino, all of these people,
who are wholly unqualified for their positions, shouldn't be anywhere
near intelligence, national security, the Pentagon, none of these things.
In normal times, not one of these people would get
anywhere near an approval on a basic security clearance, Not
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one of them, given their backgrounds.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Real quick.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Judy Reid made a very good comment and when when
I interviewed her a few weeks ago, and she said,
every one of these people is qualified to have been
the spokesman for those apartments, but not for the.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, I wouldn't even say that given there, given their
backgrounds and given the problems, the ethical problems, Tulsea Gabbert's
questionable relationships with Russia, and you know Syria, and you
know some of the talking points right and and you
know Pete hag Seth and his background like these, you know, Malcolm,
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to go through a security clearance, to get the level
of security clearance you would need to even step foot
in the door in these cabinet agencies or any of
these intelligence agencies.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
They would they would forget it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So the fact that these are the people who are
making these decisions and that the press treats them as
if they're a normal DNI like you know, we had
James Clapper, okay, who is a legend, who is who
is one of the best of the best in the
intelligence business. Fifty years of experience he had that job.
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And now we have Tulci Gabbard. Why is she there
because she's doing exactly what Donald Trump wants. She's gonna
go and gin up whatever bs evidence they claim that
they now have of something that has been already litigated
multiple times in the court of public opinion, in the Congress,
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in the Department of Justice. Robert Muller did an entire,
very thorough report on this, and she's gonna go and
find some conspiracy theory nonsense and go out there and make.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It look good because she looks good on camera. Let's
be honest.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Donald Trump cares about that and presented in a way
that makes it sound credible to his base, and unfortunately
the mainstream media eats it up because they want access,
so they listen to her instead of constantly undercutting and
undermining with facts, because like I said, we've already litigated
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this multiple times over and saying.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Well, well, where's the proof of that. Well, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
The bipartisan Senate report that came out that was authored
by the current Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Debunks everything that you just said. You know, like there's
so many things here that that could be that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Could undermine what she's saying. But you know, they still
have they give it. They give it airtime because they
have to. And Trump knows that. That's why he throws
out these bombs of you know, attention shiny objects. Obama
should be prosecuted for treason, like this is insanity, But
at the same time, it's coming from the president of
the United States throwing out terms like treason, which we
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all know is punishable by death. It's outrageous, and that's
what they're there to do. They're all his henchmen to
do his bidding.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Every time I hear this, the first thing I think
of is can these people read?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Are they actually literate?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Because I happen to know that treason is the only
crime listed in the Constitution of the United States, and
it was narrowly defined, and I said this on one
of my previous podcasts, that it was defined based on
precisely what happened to George Washington as he was sitting
at Benedict Arnold's breakfast table while Arnold was out meeting
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with Major andre And what it says is you have
to be levying war against the United States, which Arnold did.
Bend Arnold would and joined British forces and fought in
north in southern Virginia against America. You have to be
providing aid and comfort to them, which is also intelligence.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But you have to be at war with an enemy.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So you can't just say treason is what it used
to be before the Magna Carta, yeah, which is King's law,
which is you have betrayed me.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And in my reckoning of it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You are a trader to me, and whatever I thought
of five minutes ago, these people are nuts. It's not
a question of the crime or whatever it is. Because
you know, as we know, Barack Obama has every bit
of king like immunity that Donald Trump has.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
That's the irony of this, right. It's like, Hello, Trump
versus the United States.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
The Supreme Court gave him this insane level of immunity,
which is just right.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I take it off because I know we're gonna fight
here in a minute.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I mean, it gets you riled up, right for those
of us who actually do read and do understand the Constitution,
and do know the history here, and do know the context,
and do understand what's at stake.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, it gets you.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It gets you a little excited, gets the blood pressure
of I should probably be drinking decaf coffee.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You and your education. I know that god around like
a virus.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I know, you know, because Donald Trump doesn't like the
poorly educated. So I guess we're treason us too because
we're we're educated. But it was Frederick Douglas who' said
education is the key to freedom. And that's the reason
why Donald Trump and Maga goes after education to undercut
it and to inject propaganda because if people are not informed,
if you don't have an informed citizen race, you can
get away with the ship that he's doing.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
And that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But every week I do a radio program on Stephanie
Miller Radio show. She has about six million listeners a
day for three hours, pretty good show.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
One of my favorite parts of that show she made
up a.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Jingle, right, everybody loves a jingle from us from a song,
an old eighties song called a New York Minute, and
it's called when the Black.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Guy Did It. So our presupposition here should be.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That when Barack Obama did everything that was good and
decent in America, Donald Trump is now better naturally predisposed
to destroyed.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
He has it in his head that if the black
guy did.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It, no matter how good it was, how nice it was,
he must focus on destroying it. And this has gotta
be some sort of insane, wet dream that he's been having.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, well, there's a couple things there. The first thing
is you mentioned the pre Magna carta. If it's against
the king, it's treason, right, Donald.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Right, Donald Trump thinks he's a king.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He put himself on an ai rendering of Time magazine
with the king's crown, like he embraces this. That is
such an affront to what this country was founded on
and why we fought a war and for independence. This
is the same guy that also has no idea what's
in the Declaration of Independence? Remember when he was asked
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about that. He has no idea, right, he has no
idea none about the foundation of this country, So why
would he respect it? And he's surrounded now by people
who are these enablers slash collaborators, and they all you
want to talk about wet dream they all. It's a
big circle jerk of authoritarian dreams going on here in
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the West wing of the White House. He doesn't have
anyone or in his inner circle anymore like he did
the first time around. And that was bad enough, but
at least he had people there that still respected the
rule of law, still respected our democratic norms and institutions.
There were guardrails because the first term could have been
way worse. And we know this from folks like Miles
Taylor and others who were there who witnessed it, who
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come who came out and said, let me tell.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You what we had to do to stop this.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Those people are nowhere to be found this time around,
there's no one. And so he's out here using taxpayer,
taxpayer dollars, you know, government accounts, all of these things,
breaking all kinds of laws and rules, the corruption, the
emolument's clause, getting rich off bitcoin, and you know, all
the stuff that he launching products with his name on
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all of these things because he thinks he's the king,
and all he cares about is that level of loyalty.
So when it comes to the competent black guy who
actually is everything Donald Trump wishes he was. He's thin,
he's in good shape, he has a he has a
wife who loves him.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He's educated, he has had a successful presidency. He's beloved, you.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Know, and you could actually get into Harvard correct, correct.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Smart and their women daughters, you know, Donald Trump. Barack
Obama's everything Donald Trump isn't. And we all know that
he's had a he is a long history of being
a racist, and so he's not. He's not Donald Trump's
idea of what a black guy could be. How could
a black guy possibly be? You know, all of these things,
and and so he's got a weird but being his
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bonnet for Barack Obama, but mainly all the things I
just listed, and he is a screaming racist. And this
is coming from someone who you know, I used to
be a Republican for twenty seven years. I quit the
party in twenty twenty after Donald Trump refused to concede
the election.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I was never a Trumper. I was a never Trumper
from very beginning from day one.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And I, you know, as a as a conservative, I
thought for sure that people would live up to the
Bill Buckley theme of you know, we're supposed to be
the ones that yell stop athwart history when no one
else will. We're supposed to a much prudence, you know
things with our policy. With prudence, we're supposed to be
about individual empowerment and accountability and responsibility. I actually believed
all that shit, and I actually found out that all
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of those people run around with their little pocket constitutions,
like Ted Cruz and others on Capitol Hill when I
used to be a staffer up there, they're all shit
because as soon as they saw the opportunity to get
on the Trump train, because that was going to be
their political savior, they did it, and principles be damned.
And so what we're seeing now is a decay an
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erosion of all of those things. And it's bigger than
just the party turning into this perverted, authoritarian, fascist party.
It's affected our entire country, where we're seeing people snatched
off the streets due process to help with that, people
getting confirmed to be federal court judges for lifetime appointments
that are saying fu to the courts, and with whistleblower.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Complaints against them.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I mean, all of the things that are going on,
and we're just what six or seven months in is
all because Republicans we're too chicken shit to stand up
and say no and ye'll stop athwart history when no
one else would when it was their responsibility to stop
this bastard.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
And now we're all here having to pay the price
for it.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But what I'm seeing is as I saw this party
descend into chaos. Look, I started as a Republican back
in nineteen eighty. You know, it was a Reagan Republican
national security strong. I was Colin Powell Republican national security strong,
socially liberal. Those were two components the Republican Party could
deal with back in those days, and that if you
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look at the X Y axis, Colin Powell and I
are out at the lower left hand quadrant.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Liberal right.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yes, we're all liberals now, by the way, we're all
flaming liberalsus George W.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Bush, mister compassionate conservatism, he's a flaming liberal left wing
libtard or whatever they call them now by Donald Trump
Maga standards. I mean, look, Ronald Reagan wouldn't have been
welcome in this party.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Richard Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency in many of
the regulations that are being gutted right now. But my
point is this, clearly oligarchy right has taken hold in
America to where they are open. They are outright, they
are brazen right, go get you know, and to put
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it in the cash money brothers jargon, go get your money, right,
let's go get our money.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I got mine, you go get yours. Here's how you
get yours.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Literally, the characters in Anne Rand's Fountain Head right, the
government of nepotism and the hookup and gangsters all looking
each other up. The sole function of government in A
Rand's book was oligarchy and making money, and that was
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she was supposed to be some insane far right conservative idealogue.
And now it's almost like, oh, fountain Head, that's actually
a playbook.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Now, this is what we should be doing.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now, run away to the life of Colorado, Go steal
your money.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
When I was the vice chair of the College Republicans
at George Washington University where I went to school, we
used to debate the Objectivists, right, and they used to
walk around with there and ran books and you know,
have all these debates. And they were all like, you know,
the the Objectivists and then the Libertarians and you know,
and then the Republicans, and we would all have these, like,
you know, very high faluton intellectual conversations dissecting the nuances
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of these political philosophies. I missed those days, frankly, because
of all of things. Very notional, and you know, no
one ever thought that we'd be living this out in
real life. It's it's quite remarkable and saddening for me.
It's very like, I'm like, what is happening. It's not
notional anymore. This is what we're actually living through as
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a country. And Donald Trump is I don't think. I
think lack of imagination has allowed a lot of this
to happen to so many people be like, well, he wouldn't,
he can't do this sometimes even you know, I come
from a law enforcement family. My grandfather was a World
War Two veteran and captain of my hometown police department
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in Paramus, New Jersey for forty. Yes, that's where I
grew up proudly, yes, from my gosh, I'm not seventeen.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Indeed, that's where I was to get all my stuff
to go to girl Scout camp.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Anyway, So I you know, I grew up in blue
collar Burden County, New Jersey. You know, my grandfather, his
parents came over through Ellis Island as German refugees.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
They didn't say that back then if they came here
in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yes, they came over in the nineteen twenties because some
things were brewing in Germany and they said, hell, no,
we're out of here.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
And you know, my grandmother's family they're from Italy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
My my biological father, he's his family's from Guatemala. They
left when the tanks were coming down the streets and
you know, in the fifties in Guatemala.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
So but I grew up with my my on my
mom's side. My mom was a single parent.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
She had me at twenty one, and my mom was
in show business and she lived in New York City.
And like so I grew up in a very like
all American parades every Fourth of July. I mean, my
grandfather was a volunteer fireman for seventy two years, Okay,
so all the way up until his dying day. He
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was part of that community in Paramus, And I grew
up with that sense of community, that sense of going
to get the paper for him every day and reading it,
and you know, going to the Fourth of July parades
every year.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
As a kid.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
He marched in every parade from nineteen forty seven until
ten days before he passed in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
At ninety they the police.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Department literally wheeled him down the parade route because he said,
I am not missing the parade, and ten days later
he passed. And so like this part of what it
means to be an American, what it means to respect
our constitutional norms, and all of those things are ingrained
in my DNA. So when I see what these bastards
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are doing to our country and who how are they
have they define what it means.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
To be an American? And how dare they do what
they're doing? It?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It it, it is.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's a visceral reaction. That's why I fight so hard
for it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
So I started the Seneca Project with my co founder,
Michelle Kinney. That's why, you know, I'm blessed to have
the relationships I have with with guys like you who
are heroes in your service and what you've done, and
you and Malcolm and so many others who have served
this country with honor, and then you look at what
this administration and what the Republican Party is allowing to happen.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It's just enough front to all of that.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And I think that's what rallies a lot of us
and motivates a lot of us to keep in this
fight because it can be exhausting.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But what you just have, what you just spelled out
with your family history. I used to joke when I
was when my when I was married to my first wife,
who was French Canadian, Uh you know, uh that we
had a multinational, multi lingual, multicultural, multi ethnic, multi species
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because we had beagles all American family. And what is
happening now appears to be that we are having a
coup de'ta of what America is, what defines America, and
the coup is that a certain class of the uber
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rich and the uber poor, white you know, lower middle
class and white billionaire elite have decided the definition of
America is we will not be replaced in any aspect
at any part of government, and we will run the government.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Like let me get this.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
My analogy right, potter Town and you know, uh in.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
That Frank Kapra movie for Christmas. It's a wonderful life,
wonderful town. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It went from Bedford Falls, which is actually based on
a small town near where I live in.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yes, Seneca Falls.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yes, it was based off.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It was filmed there.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yes, Seneca Falls is where are the inspiration for the
name of our our super pack. The Seneca Project came
from because it was where the eighteen forty eight First
Women's Convention, Women's Rights Convention happened, and the anniversary of
it was just recent July twentieth and twenty first, and
Michelle and I actually before we launched the Seneca Project,
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took a little field trip to take it all in
and it was really really cool.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Does it look like the movie set.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Of course it does. We took pictures on the bridge
and the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I mean, absolutely, it's a it's a nice little town.
It's beautiful up there. Great reaslings in the Finger Lakes
area were wine. I'm a wine person, but no, it
was just taking in all that history there and and
Michelle was like, this is where. It's a wonderful life.
Some I'm like, oh my god, that's right. They have
a little placard on the bridge and the whole so
beautiful up there.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Well, my analogy still stands that, Okay, if Seneca Falls
is Bedford Falls, and it is beautiful and it's cute,
and it's all America and a place where good clean
family fund can happen and people of goodwill and decency
can be there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yes, America is now potter Town.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And if you were calling the movie potter Town was
gambling casinos, strip clubs, right, corrupt, dirty cops that would
shake you down right and and hookers walking.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I mean, in nineteen thirty eight, I could.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Say something very vulgar about the current occupant of the
White House and his wife, but I will I will free.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I mean, now you've got gambling, insider trading, blatant corruption.
You could argue that you have you know, hookers and
protectors of child sex traffickers in the White House at
this point, and this is has seen a lot of
horrible things in its time, but not all of them
compiled into one person. So my argument being that we
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are looking at a war for the definition of what
America is, and one side is decided to just come
in and decapitate everyone else's dreams, and that there will
be one American dream, one religion, one color, one way
of conservative ideology that's nothing like our conservative ideality dominating
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this country's narrative forever.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yes, yes, that's why the existential urgency and threat of
the moment that we're in is so great. You know, people,
if you would have told us this ten years ago,
that we would be here now, and these are the
types of conversations we're having right now, people would think
we were nuts.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I would be like, get the hell out of here.
There's no way.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I mean, I would have said, no way if you
would have told me that we were staring down the
barrel of losing our democracy to an imperialist, authoritarian sitting
in the White House ruling by executive order, dismissing Congress,
ignoring court orders, and the Republican Party was going along
with it. I would have told you you were insane,
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and yet here we are and nothing you said.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Is hyperbole, none of it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We are literally living through a cacistocracy right, with people
right the stupidest, most unqualified people in positions of power,
plus an oligarchy. Because those people are in power, it
allows the elites with money to run everything, basically buy
their way into access and own the people who are
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in charge.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And then you have a certain amount of you know,
there's like.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
A plutocracy, leptocracy thing all going on in their elements
of all of that plus fascism.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, which Mussolini defined as a dictatorship of the corporate right.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And don't tell I.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Mean hello, Peter Thiel bought the Vice presidency and his
tech bros in Silicon Valley with Pallanteer and all of
the stuff that's going on, and the Network States and
Elon Musk and his bullshit, all of that going on.
That that undercurrent of what's happening under our noses where
we're now living in a full blown you know surveillance state.
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They are. They're all up in our government. There's no
privacy anymore, right, thanks to Doze and what Elon was
allowed to get away with. Again, I remember the Republicans
who would have flipped out ten years ago if anything
remotely close to what Dog did with infiltrating all of
our private documents and all this. I remember the party
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where they flipped out over a national ID card. A
national ID card. Oh no, no, it's the mark of the beast.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
No way, that's the government. It's a registry.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
They can't. Are you kidding me? Do you have any
idea what's happening right now? They're all up in our
social security information and everything else you could possibly think of.
There is no privacy anymore, and a bunch of nineteen
year olds named big Balls have access to all of
that stuff, and Republicans stat back and let it happen.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Well, because we also have this not this East German
saucy like beliee state forming.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Only instead of making your neighbors.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Drop dimes on you, the entire government, collective of every
bit of information about you, is about to become centralized database.
That should be a top priority of any any future
administration will be to stop that, break it up, you know,
dissect that because that is hour, yeah, information about you,
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the length of your eyelashes, the amount of times that
you know, how often you buy toothpaste, what you file
for in your taxes. This is centralized dictatorial power. They
can craft propaganda to you and your dog because you
order X amount from pet smart, you know, to propagandize
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you and turn the Constitution into a document written by
traders and all of these things. Yes, you know, from
the national security perspective, this is being taken out of
the hands of professionals. This is now in the hands
of computer programmers and evil lazy bond villains. Yes, Elon Musk,
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Peter til Peter til Mark Andresen David Sachs and Elon Musk.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
For South Africans, I was just gonna say, there's a
there's a South African connection here why African apartheid.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Apartheidis are changing the entirety of the definition of America.
And I really believe that that that that movie with
uh District District nine, right, that movie of where rich
people are you know, up on his space bas or whatever,
and you know, and elm that was Elysium and we
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everyone else ideologically. I think these guys who actually say this,
they actually say this out loud and with their philosopher
King Curtis Yarn yesterday, I don't know if you saw it,
he said billionaires in America aren't real billionaires, they are
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billionaire and words because they yeah you not, I ship
you not. I said on the record, Curtis Jarvin, it's
the most it's the most dangerous ideological characters since Osama
been lauden four billionaires not like their white philosopher king
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billionaires as billionaire and words.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Where did he say this.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Just yesterday on Twitter?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Oh my king and he listen?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
He when I thought him saying that America needs to
get over their dictator phobia and that people who don't
contribute enough to society we could just turn them into biofuel,
which he did say, you know, and the idea that
democracy is like, we don't want that. We should have
network states where these techbro kings basically rule eat rule
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each one of these network states. That not we don't
have democracy and freedom anymore. I thought that was bad enough.
But this guy, you're right, is and he's crept under.
He's been, you know, creeping around. He's flown under the
radar for a long time. And this is a guy
that Peter Thiel said was his political.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Guru, good gun.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And you know, but I think I think he really
believes there needs to be that there will be the
techno elite, there will be the clean techno billionaires who
aren't billionaire and words, and that every rest of us
should be reduced to shanty towns to supporting them. This
is beyond potter Town, right, This is way beyond that.
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And the problem is is that I have as a
national security professional, and like people in your family, there
are real threats out there, Yes, real threats that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Wish us ill and do us harm.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And it reminds me of that onion headline al Kaya
releases its brilliant plan to destroy America by sitting back
and eating popcorn. You know, I mean, they don't have
to do anything now, our opponents allowing America to be
what it now wants to be, which is Potterville.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Listen, that was the whole point of Russia's attack on us, right,
It was an asymmetrical warfare attack on us starting years ago.
They studied us, they studied our culture, and they weaponized
it against us.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
And that was what the twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Mull Report and the Russian interference into our election was about.
It wasn't about going in and changing vote totals.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
It wasn't about that.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It was if you for those who haven't, I mean,
if you want to go back and read the Mulla
Report or just read the executive summary, you will see
what they did and what they continue to do is
they use social media, and they use our own culture
and our own racial and economic divisions against us, and
they fueled the flames so that we would destroy ourselves
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from within.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
And it fucking worked.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It's working their propaganda and they're you know what they
did and with the bots and all of that, with
social media. It it is the most successful intelligence psyops
operation ever in history. Because look at where we are
as a result of that. And Donald Trump was their stuge,
useful idiot number one, and he's doing it willingly because
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they knew how to manipulate him.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Started back in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
They've been recruiting him for years and it worked, whether
he winningly or unwittingly. Look at what they've accomplished, and
they're sitting back taking shots of vodka and the Kremlin
lavender asses off, watching us destroy ourselves with this fool
and his and his people, and our and the American people,
not us the other half that bought into.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
It, enabling this. It's a it's a heavy lift. But
I still think that there's more of us than there
are of them.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
It's just a matter of explaining to people why we
you know, it's important to fight back against it.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
We can't just sit back and let it happen.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, in our last few minutes, because I know you
have to go. You know, people ask me all the time,
they're like, Malcolm, what do we do?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
What tangibly can we do?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I have tangibles that are coming that I spell out
all the time. But with Seneca Project, tell us in
your words, what is Seneca Project doing and how can
people come and join and help you facilitate your actions?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, no, thank you for that. You know.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Seneca Project was started by my co founder, Michelle Kenny
and I last year during the election because we really
wanted to focus on women and democracy because there's been
such an assault on women's rights and freedoms in this
country's post Dobbs. I mean it's been going on for
quite some time, but post Dobs, it's the first time
that an entire group of people in the United States
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have actually lost a right, and women are.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
More than half the population.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
We lost a right, and so we wanted to give
a permission structure to women, particularly in swing states that listen,
we don't care who you voted for before, None of
that matters as long as you don't vote for him
this time because there's so much at stake here. So
we are a content organization, and so we used our
Michelle as award winning creative director and I come from
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political communications background. She was a Democrat, I was a Republican,
so I understand how to fight these fights, and I
understand how to you know, we'll talk about asymmetrical warfare.
You know, it's the dark arts of comms where you
have to meet people where they are and do it
in a way that's not the same tired way.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Of politically communicating to folks.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And so that's how we started and we you know,
obviously the result wasn't what we wanted it to be.
There were down ballot wins and we're glad about that.
At the state level those things matter, But we produced
a lot of really really excellent content during the election
last year and are are at American Girl speaking about
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what it means to be an American went super viral
and we want a Webby Award for it, which was
quite an accomplishment for us as a young new women
led very small organization and that we started with our
own money. So we since the election, we had to
recalibrate a little bit and focus more on the democracy
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side and coming from the perspective of women, because if
we don't save our democracy, nothing else matters. So we
are a super pack. So there's no limit to the
amount of financial support for us, but we do run
solely on donations and the generosity of the good folks
out there who want to see us continue to put
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out that type of content.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think it's important.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
We're filling the void where the Democratic Party can't get
out of its own way, and we're like, listen, if
you guys, you have to go on offense all the time.
And that's what that's the philosophy that I bring to
this because I know from being on the other side.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I know how I know what Republicans do. I was
part of it. I was part of that and so
I'm like offense.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Defense may win championships in football, but offense wins elections.
So you can't be on defense all the time. And
Democrats have still not really figured out how to go
on offense because the other side never stops. They march
lockstep constantly. So what you know, nice, no, no, exactly, no, no, no, okay,
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I'm from Jersey because I have mentioned that there is
no you know this is nice no, no, no, okay,
Michelle is from New York. You know we are we
are killer messengers. We're like I use a Navy seal reference,
which you'll appreciate. You know, we are the precision killers
that you tip of the spear. You send us in
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to do the job that others can't do. And that's
what we have prided ourselves on. That's what we continue
to do. We're trying to go on offense and fill
void where the Democratic Party is not because we can't
sit around and wait for them to get it together.
I hope they do because we need everybody. But that's
what we're doing. And you know, like I said, as
a smaller women led organization, sometimes it's harder for us
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to raise money because people don't inherently trust women the
same way they.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Do men, which is a whole other conversation, but.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You know that's uh, you know, So we hope that
they're the generosity of the American people who believe in
what we're doing and want to support us will continue
so we can continue to do this work as we
build up. You know, we're in the fight now. We've
been in the fight from day one. We never we
took maybe two weeks off to kind of recover during
the holidays after the election, and then right away we
put out we put out an ad called do not
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Obey in advance and immediately to keep people in the
fight to understand why we have to stay in this fight.
Because they want to exhaust us. That's part of their playbook.
They want to run us down. They want us not
to have hope anymore. They want us to just obey,
and we refuse to do that. And as Americans who
love this country, all of us who are here, who
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appreciate what this country means for all the reasons, we
have to stay in this fight. So that's what we're
doing at the Seneca Project, and they can find us
at Seneca Project dot us You can follow us on
all the socials at Seneca Project US, like and subscribe
out on our YouTube channel at Seneca Project. You can
see all of our content there, and we also have
(40:26):
a streaming show called The Stakes that we do every
Thursday at seven point thirty Live, and we do a
show called over It as well.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
That's four of us.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
There's four women that they're not part of Seneca, but
we do more because we have to keep we have
to stay present, and we have to keep people engaged,
and we have to keep people, you know, informed, because
they're counting on people not being informed, they're counting on
them being exhausted, and we just want to build that
community so people know we're all in this together.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Well, I am absolutely glad that you came on board
here and enlightened us and gave us your political analysis.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
But more importantly, I am convinced now that women will
be the downfall of Donald Trump, just in the way
that he didn't think what was happening when he was
exploiting them.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So much for coming here, explaining what Seneca Project does
and in opening my eyes to another avenue of information.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So thanks, thank you, thank you so much. We'll have
you on again.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I hope to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
And right now, we actually have an ad that we
re released called Predator about Trump and Epstein and you
know his history, very creepy, unsettling history with women and
particularly young women. We put that out during the election,
and unfortunately it's relevant again. And this this whole Epstein
(41:47):
Maxwell you know, Trump debacle that's going on.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
It's not going to die down. And it shouldn't. It shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
I mean, it's weird that all of the things that
he's done, that this is the thing that mag is
may may split Maga apart, but it goes it speaks
to the heart of their whole trust in him. We
all know he's a lying liar who lies, but for
the MAGA folks, this is new to them. He's never
really lied to them about something as important to them
as this because he's all up in it and we
(42:16):
all know it. And they can't make the Maga math math.
You know, they're like, you said, we're going to.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Release it, but you're you're friend him. And now this whole.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Gallaine Maxwell thing that wait a minute, what do you
mean you won't you're saying that you might pardon her, Well, wait,
you were friends with them for decades. Like all of
these things, the more he opens his mouth, the more,
you know, the deeper the Holy digs here on this
because he's lying to cover his own ass. So we
need to keep the pressure on him about that and
make sure that you know either you are against child
(42:47):
sex trafficking predators or you're not. There is no gray
area here, and right now he's trying to thread a
needle in a gray area and everybody, including.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Maga's calling bullshit on it. As we need to continue
to do. Keep the pressure.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna watch that video
Predator on your Seneca Project YouTube page.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
So thanks again for coming, Thank you, Malcolm, thanks for
having me.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Wow, great discussion and thank you for coming to it.
This week's episode a black Man Spy. If you are
not subscribed, subscribe to black Man Spy on Apple, Stitcher, Audible,
other platforms. You can find me at the black Man
Spy YouTube channel for the video version of this, and
(43:35):
at Malcolm Nances dot substack dot com, at Malcolm Nance
on Twitter at Malcolm Nance dot bsky dot Social and
also on threads, Instagram, all these other places.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
You can find by googling Malcolm Nance.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Just FYI, I do not direct message people and ask
for money, So if you're a subscriber, subscribe, but if
you're a Nigerian prince, stop using my name.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
So with that, thank you for coming to this week's edition.
I will see you all next week on the beach.
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